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00:17<wolv>hi
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00:43<LinuxKitten>less command
00:43<LinuxKitten>oops
00:43<LinuxKitten>i'm trying to set up debian on my laptop
00:43<LinuxKitten>but...
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00:44<LinuxKitten>there's only wireless
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00:44<LinuxKitten>can anyone help me?
00:46<Txt_file>Linuxkitten: at wich point do you have problems??
00:47<LinuxKitten>i don't know how to get it to detect wireless
00:48<gsimmons>LinuxKitten: Have you completed an installation of Debian, or are you currently attempting to install it via your wireless connection?
00:49<LinuxKitten>i completed it but it's only the minimal thing
00:49<gsimmons>LinuxKitten: What wireless device do you have?
00:49<LinuxKitten>lemme check
00:50<Txt_file>linuxkitten: without Gnome or KDE??
00:50<LinuxKitten>yeah
00:51<LinuxKitten>Wireless LAN : Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (802.11a/b/g)
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00:52<gsimmons>!ipw3945
00:52<dpkg>If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or using a later kernel from <backports.org> or <etchnhalf> - ask me about <iwlwifi>.
00:53<LinuxKitten>i'm using the netinstall disk
00:53<LinuxKitten>and
00:53<LinuxKitten>there's NO internet
00:53<LinuxKitten>period
00:54<gsimmons>LinuxKitten: Then you have a problem. You'll need to acquire the packages (and their dependencies) referred to by dpkg above in order to provide the necessary wireless driver, firmware and regulatory daemon.
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01:11<TheDanny>How do I run Xserver's configuration?
01:11<Nemoder>!dxx
01:11<Nemoder>hm
01:11<Nemoder>!drxx
01:11<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
01:11<TheDanny>I know there's a program that generates xorg.conf
01:12<TheDanny>why thank you
01:12<TheDanny>even though you're probably a bot
01:12<Nemoder>the bot knows all
01:14<TheDanny>what the bot said doesn't give me any video configuration options. Just keyboard stuff..
01:15<Nemoder>it should ask for video options
01:15<Nemoder>is this etch?
01:15<TheDanny>lenny
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01:16<dondelelcaro>TheDanny: you shouldn't need to touch xorg.conf in lenny.
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01:16<TheDanny>Actually I just answered "no" to the first question..something about using the kernal/frames. It was unfamiliar terminology to me
01:16<TheDanny>And now xserver works
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01:16<dondelelcaro>about the only exception is when you're doing something advanced, in which case you modify it directly
01:16<TheDanny>Got it.
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01:17<knoppix_>hola
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01:18<TheDanny>So... I'm in an interesting situation. I am a long time unix nerd (never a sysadmin) ...and I know my way around the file system and basic machine administration, but all this new debian/linux wizardry (dpkg, etc.) is very new to me.
01:19<TheDanny>Is there a good tutorial/intro to debian that explains what's new/different coming from a generic unix environment?
01:21<Nemoder>that's a pretty broad topic
01:23<dondelelcaro>!quickref
01:23<newsense>http://www.linux-books.us/debian.php
01:23<dondelelcaro>uh...
01:23<Nemoder>TheDanny: for dpkg specifically this might be a good start: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
01:23<dondelelcaro>dpkg: no, quickref is <reply> see debian reference
01:23<dpkg>okay, dondelelcaro
01:23<dondelelcaro>!quick reference
01:23<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'.
01:23<TheDanny>Actually that's along the lines of what I was looking for
01:24<TheDanny>need a reference guide for all the new gee-wiz stuff. thanks :)
01:24<dondelelcaro>newsense: also, see above; for a book, consider _The Debian System_
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01:28<kesrut>how to unload nidswrapper driver before suspend ?
01:28<kesrut>hi all
01:29<kesrut>seems like etc/acpi/suspend.d not executing my commands
01:29<kesrut>modprobe -r ndiswrapper
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01:32<kesrut>?
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01:37<loyalpawn>lo jimbob
01:38<kesrut>?
01:38<kesrut>;-)
01:38<kesrut>help me
01:38<kesrut>;-)
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01:45<Zoup>its appear that grub is working on XFS , but debian installer does not allow it , why ?
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01:48<d00d>xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers
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01:58<lightx>hello, anyone awake here?
02:02<lightx>:/
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02:03<n0rge>hi, how can I install flash player on debian etch?
02:04<Nemoder>!adobe flash
02:04<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
02:04<n0rge>thanks Nemoder
02:07<lightx>hey guys, im getting a "permissions denied" error when im already root, can anyone help?
02:07<Nemoder>!wayttd
02:07<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do?
02:08<lightx>install my ati video driver
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02:08<lightx>im talking to a bunch of bots >.>
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02:09<Nemoder>what are you running that returns permission denied?
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02:10<lightx>ati-driver-installer-8-7-x86.x86_64.run
02:10<Nemoder>likely the file has not had the executable flag set
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02:11<Nemoder>chmod u+x <filename>
02:11<lightx>tnx,
02:12<lightx>yup, that was it :)
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02:28<nepbabu>penixstrikes
02:28<nepbabu>:)
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02:33<kesrut>how to install font in debian ?
02:34<kesrut>how they look ungly
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02:34<kesrut>msttcorefonts ?
02:34<cmot>Yo all!
02:35<cmot>how do I tell the kernel that a (fibre channel attached) scsi disk has suddenly grown 60G more space?
02:36<cmot>The device has no mounted partitions. but there is another LUN (that I can't unmount) on the same scsi device.
02:36<kesrut>reboot maybe ?
02:36<kesrut>google for problem
02:36<cmot>kesrut, yeah, but there's 100 people using this server... :-/
02:36<kesrut>;-)
02:37<kesrut>cmot, you can't umount if people using that device ?
02:37<cmot>I can umount this particular device. I can't reboot the server, and there is another FC disk attached to the same controller so I can't rmmod the driver to force it to reread the devices.
02:38<cmot>rescan scsi bus only sees that the device is still there so it's not removed/readded.
02:39<kesrut>ok
02:39<kesrut>i don't know how to solve such problems ..
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02:48<kesrut>how with aptitude search in packet description ?
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02:48<kesrut>package*
02:51<gsimmons>kesrut: aptitude search ~dfoo
02:51<kesrut>gsimmons, and how to search in GUI ?
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02:51<kesrut>i tried "/" or "\" it just search just for package name
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02:59<gsimmons>kesrut: Limit the display (l). You may want to switch to a "New Flat Package List" (Views menu) beforehand.
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03:03<sasha>hi ; i ve a debian firewall with a tap0 device (openvpn) bridge to another interface (eth0) , while sniffing with wireshark i m seeing packet from the vpn as coming from eth0 is it normal ?
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03:05<kesrut>gsimmons, i press l button .. and what i need to type ?
03:05<kesrut>in text box ?
03:06<kesrut>gsimmons, yeah found works everything, thanks
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03:07<kesrut>does anyone know how to disable skype red flag ?
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03:11<Kebianizao|work>Hello
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03:11<Kebianizao|work>I'm trying to print something with iceweasel, but page size doesn't match the real page size, how could I make it match?
03:11<Kebianizao|work>seems the bottom margin is very high
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03:12<Zoup>can you say 'unlinked inode is free space' ?
03:15<morgan`>hi
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03:24<Kebianizao|work>well, I've finally manage to do the same work with konqueror, much better in this aspect
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03:28<rendszeRGazda>hello
03:28<rendszeRGazda>I have upgraded my nslu2 from etch to lenny and my usb audio stick is producing VERY choppy sound
03:29<rendszeRGazda>even speaker-test produces awful results
03:29<rendszeRGazda>what could be the problem?
03:29<kesrut>I can't startup iceweasel .. which browser i need to use ?
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03:31<EricB>why can't you start iceweasel up?
03:32<Kebianizao|work>kesrut: it's not what you need to, it's what you want to
03:33<kesrut>Kebianizao|work, how to browse web ?
03:33<kesrut>i starting iceweasel and show bug report message
03:34<dantanna>kesrut: which version of iceweasel?
03:35<kesrut>latest from sid
03:35<kesrut>kesrut@debian:~$ iceweasel
03:35<kesrut>/usr/lib/bug-buddy/firefox-bin: No such file or directory.
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03:38<kesrut>it's bug
03:38<Kebianizao|work>are you sure you are running the debian version?
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03:39<dantanna>kesrut: type iceweasel -v in terminal
03:39<kesrut>debian:/home/kesrut# iceweasel -v
03:39<kesrut>Mozilla Firefox 3.0.1, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
03:40<kesrut>Kebianizao|work, i tryed to install ubuntu version ..
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03:40<kesrut>but it crashed before
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03:40<kesrut>lol i can't browse the web out-of-box
03:41<Kebianizao|work>kesrut: :S
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03:41<Kebianizao|work>how you dare to install ubuntu version?
03:42<kesrut>i want to be hacker
03:42<lothar>Hi!
03:42<kesrut>;-)
03:42<Kebianizao|work>kesrut: aptitude purge iceweasel
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03:42<Kebianizao|work>kesrut: aptitude search firefox | grep '^i'
03:42<Kebianizao|work>kesrut: aptitude search iceweasel | grep '^i'
03:43<Kebianizao|work>kesrut: any output for the search commands?
03:43<Kebianizao|work>ho lothar
03:43<kesrut>Kebianizao|work, no!
03:43<kesrut>now install iceweasel ?
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03:45<Kebianizao|work>kesrut: if you didn't spoiled anything using obscure methods yes
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03:46<lothar>I am trying to run MacOnLinux. Have configured regarding howto from orginal site, but mol is not found. I propably should install the mol kernel module from source. uname -r is 2.6.18-5. Mol module installed is 2.6.18-7+etch4. Any help ?
03:46<kesrut>Setting up iceweasel (3.0.1-1) ...
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03:46<kesrut>Kebianizao|work, but same thing
03:46<kesrut>Kebianizao|work, ok i will use epiphany
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03:48<kesrut>or other better browser ?
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03:50<Kebianizao|work>kesrut: konqueror
03:52<dantanna>lothar: yes, I believe you have to install from source but you might want to ask in #debianppc as it MOL is powerpc specific.
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03:53<lothar>Firstly I update my system as a try. If I need to install from source I also have to install compiler et al :-)
03:53<gsimmons>lothar: If you have the 'mol-modules-*' package installed, you don't require to build the mol module (assuming you're using a Debian stock kernel). It would appear that your installed 'mol-modules-*' package is for 2.6.18-6, whereas you are currently using the 2.6.18-5 kernel.
03:54<Kebianizao|work>bye
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03:56<lothar>gsimmons: I have installed mol-module 2.6.18-7+etch4 as synaptic tells me. Updating the kernel reported me to be the same kernel as installed.
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04:00<gsimmons>lothar: So restart your system in order to use the 2.6.18-6 kernel.
04:02<lothar>gsimmons: More success, a Mac-On-Linux windows comes up :-)
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04:29<lothar>startmol -X --cdboot results in failure: Can't read Elf32 image header
04:29<lothar>Fatal error: opening drivers/bootx: No such file or directory. Any ideas ?
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04:31<Steven_M>hi all
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04:32<chnapsy>lo
04:33<gsimmons>lothar: You are missing files relevant to operating system you wish to emulate. Read the package description of 'mol'.
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04:33<chnapsy>do anybody knows a way to set LV names during auto install with preseed file ?
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04:34<lothar>I have got also some network problems after installing tun related drivers. Currently I am unable to connect to the internet from my mac except having an IP address :-(
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04:36<Steven_M>is there an irc channel dedicated to the unofficial multimedia repo?
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04:37<darkness>Say i've just setup an old debain box but having network issues as in can't update the os?
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04:37<darkness>Anyone help me on diognosis?
04:37<Txt-file>darkness: update via CD?
04:38<lothar>gsimmons: I could only install mol-drivers for Linux as synaptic provides no other drivers. Any other repository providing that ?
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04:41<gsimmons>lothar: You'll need to amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include contrib and non-free sources, for 'mol-drivers-macos' and 'mol-drivers-macosx' respectively.
04:41<gsimmons>!tell lothar -about non-free sources
04:41<lothar>gsimmons: The network problem was because of running dnsmasq and ipmasq. That's now solved.
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04:45<lothar>gsimmons: What means You are moron #2, lothar (dpkg saying) ?
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04:46<darkness__>Just a thought, if you have a sarge box that is upto 2years old without updating, could the source update files not work?
04:46<darkness__>Like apt-get?
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04:52<dataangel>eek, i have a really odd problem with memory usage, for some reason i can not gather, my "cache" memory as reported by top and other system tools such as vmstat has increased a lot to the point that my system is now using half the physical memory for cache, whats strange is though vmstat shows read and writes one of the hard drive partitions, i have no swap partitions at all...... what command or system-variable do i need to look at to ...
04:52<dataangel>troubleshoot this issue
04:53<Knight_Lord>I have a relatively small website, and I would like to use a CMS for it to help organizing it. Which one would you suggest?
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04:54<dataangel>Knight_Lord: I have heard good things about drupal
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04:54<dataangel>the non-profit i use loves it, wish i could tell you why, i steer away from web stuff
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04:57<dataangel>quit
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05:02<lothar>gsimmons: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) seems not to work. Error: Instruction Pointer not in ROM/RAM (nip, FFF00700, nip_phys FFF00700). Mac OS X 10.3 is a bundled version and uninstallable :-(
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05:03<dataangel>where do i find information on the cache memory shown used by top
05:03<dataangel>???
05:04<dataangel>i tried slabinfo but out of the 90000k or so of cache, it only shows aobut 33000k of that being used by the kernel
05:05<darkness>Is Sarge still supported on updates?
05:06<dataangel>msg debhelper help
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05:07<dataangel>msg debhelper install slim
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05:10<dataangel>topic
05:10<gsimmons>lothar: Use of Mac OS X 10.5 is untested, according to the MoL wiki. Earlier versions appear to work on Linux 2.6 hosts (with a caveat for 10.4).
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05:13<lothar>gsimmons: So that's bad. My Mac OS X 10.3 is bundled and unusable, even I am on the machine. I am sad.
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05:17<mordy>how much resources does a dns server take up? i'm trying to find a solution for accessing my computers, and memorizing IPs just doesn't cut it anymore. i can manually add the hosts and their corresponding ip, but i'd rather do DNS in the process
05:17<mordy>oh yeah, and how do i tell if the dns server is running
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05:20<Ogun>mordy: Bind9 is a bit of a memory hog but it doesn't use much resources in general
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05:21<mordy_>ogun - i guess i should read up on bind then
05:22<Ogun>And netstat -l | grep domain to check if anything is listening on the dns ports
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05:23<mordy_>"Active UNIX domain sockets (only servers)"
05:24<Ogun>Nothing running then.
05:24<mordy_>hmm.. but let me see my router
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05:26<mordy_>hehe, it's running on my router - but the listings seem to be just a bunch of zeros
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05:31<caffn>Just aptitude install bind9 on ur server, and start configuring. Change the DNS on your clients (/etc/resolv.conf, remember? ;D) to the one on your server, and you should be set.
05:31<lothar>gsimmons: Just a question, Could I use Darwin to read jornaled hfs filesystems ? If so I'll try a darwin image.
05:31<caffn>Hi mordy_ and Txt_file btw. :P
05:31<mordy_>hello caffn :p
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05:33<mordy_>caffn, yeah, i'll have to read up on it some more. my router seems to have some kind of DNS and it's a linux box. and i'd rather have everything 'essential' go through my router
05:33<caffn>Ah.. Then you should just configure the one on the router a bit more :)
05:34<Ogun>Run netstat -lp | grep domain on it, should tell the name of daemon listening on those ports
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05:34<mordy_>hmmm.... i'll paste what the router gives me
05:34<sasha>hi is the forward table hitted in the link 2 layer with a bridge configuration ?
05:35<gsimmons>lothar: I've no idea. Try it and see.
05:35<mordy_>ogun - does this seem normal? http://paste.debian.net/12710/
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05:36<rendszeRGazda>hello
05:36<Ogun>Ah, dd-wrt. It is probably running dnsmasq
05:36<rendszeRGazda>I have upgraded my nslu2 from etch to lenny and my usb audio stick is producing VERY choppy sound
05:37<rendszeRGazda>even speaker-test produces awful results
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05:38<mordy_>ogun - yes. i wish i could install a full linux system on it, but i don't think it has enough space
05:38<mordy_>man dnsmasq then?
05:38<Ogun>http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/DNSMasq_Local_Network :)
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05:40<rendszeRGazda>where should I start investigating the problem?
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05:41<themill>!alsa checklist
05:41<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
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05:46<Txt-file>hello caffn mordy_ and all the others
05:46<mordy_>ogun - it seems like dnsmasq is only capable of reading dns entries entered manually. is there a way that it can automatically register the hostname of whatever computer is connected to it?
05:47<Ogun>I doubt that to be honest. I use a combo of dhcp3-server and bind9 to do that here at home.
05:48<mordy_>ogun, to me dnsmasq seems like some kind of "ad hoc" dns
05:49<mordy_>hello txt-file
05:49<Ogun>mordy - dnsmasq is mainly made as a cache. It being able to serve entries from host is more of a easy solution for embedded devices more than anything really.
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05:52<mordy_>ogun, whereas what i'm looking for is essentially some kind of 'dynamic dns'?
05:52<Txt-file>lala
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05:53*caffn notices a lot more updates now that he's on Sid, then on Lenny :P Can update twice a day if i'd like to :P
05:53<Ogun>mordy_, http://pastie.org/240023 <- Relevant excerpts from my current configuration that does DDNS.
05:54<Ogun>And before anyone comments, yes I know I am cheating by using the rdnc-key :)
05:56<mordy_>ogun - seems like quite a configuration :D
05:57<mordy_>brb
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05:59<Txt-file>so I am away .. I have to cut the grass (with my nail scissors)
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06:00<mordy>hehe txt-file
06:00<AgentNoel>Good evening, does anyone know how to identify the conffile's in a Debian package and view (or extract) them?
06:00<mordy>now the question is if i can have bind9 on my dd-wrt
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06:01<Ogun>mordy, Probably not. Too large of a package to fit in the limited flash available.
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06:03<Cheatah>AgentNoel: normally they would be in /etc
06:04<mordy>how large is it? i have 16MB, i can probably get a smaller package
06:04<Cheatah>dpkg -c blah.deb | grep /etc
06:04<dpkg>drwxr-xr-x root/root 4240 2004-9-15 00:00:53 ./usr/share/blah.deb | grep /etc/pr0n/mitsumi_max.png
06:04<AgentNoel>Cheatah: I know where they are located, but I want to diff them with the original conffiles in the binary packages
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06:04<Cheatah>extract them into a temporary directory?
06:05<mordy>lol dpkgbot
06:07<themill>!win dpkg
06:07<dpkg>Congratulations, dpkg! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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06:10<Ogun>mordy, reading a bit more on the internet (google ftw) I think that dnsmasq can do it. You probably have to configure the router according to http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/DNSMasq_as_DHCP_server though
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06:14<Ramendik>Hello
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06:15<Ramendik>I have only installed lenny 2 days ago, added no repos (except adding contrib and non-free to the standard lines), and for an unknown reason secure-apt broke down :( All attempts to install a package say it's untrusted. aptitude update says keys are missing and run apt-get update. apt-get update also says keys are missing and run apt-get update
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06:21<mordy_>ogun - doesn't seem possible still - if you're referring to thishttp://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/DNSMasq_as_DHCP_server#DNSMasq_parameters - then it also says that you must add this computer to /...hosts
06:22<Ogun>mordy, I think the dnsmasq DHCP server adds it to the file by itself, which the default udhcpd doesn't
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06:26<mordy>ogun - "computername" is not a linux function, is it? (i think "function" is the term)?
06:27<Ogun>mordy, "computername is the NetBIOS name of the computer on the network", from that same page
06:28<mordy>yeah, which means i need to enter it manually again
06:28<Ogun>To create a static lease, sure.
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06:34<mordy>ogun.. ok, let's see if that simple line of "dhcp-range=192.168.1.100,192.168.1.150,255.255.255.0,24h" will work - i doubt it though
06:34<mordy>would it work even if i have static IP configured in network/interfaces?
06:35<foobz>hey :) does someone know how can i specify which remote ip to use when using SOCKS tunneling with ssh (ssh -2 -C -D 1234 user@myhost)? Myhost has several ip addresses assigned and i'd like to choose which one to use
06:35<Ogun>mordy, No. only for hosts using DHCP. Hosts configured statically you will always have to enter manually into DNS, no matter what solution you pick.
06:36<foobz>SSH'ing to desired ip doesn't work since I already get a different IP than where Myhost points to
06:38<mordy>ogun - tried it - but cat /etc/hosts doesn't return the hostname after running dhclient on my computer
06:38<mordy>although it assigned the ip
06:39<Ogun>dhclient doesn't send a hostname in the DHCP reequest.
06:39<foobz>anyone? :)
06:40<Ogun>mordy, By default at least, try dhclient -H myspiffybox eth<x>
06:40<mordy>ogun -what does?
06:41<Ogun>mordy, Tells dhclient to send the hostname as part of the DHCP request. Any form of dynamic DNS needs this.
06:41<Ogun>mordy, -H <hostname> of course.
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06:42<mordy>ogun - doesn't seem to recognize the -H option
06:43<foobz>so no-one has created a ssh socks tunnel to a server with multiple IP-addressess and bound that tunnel to a specific IP-address of that server? :)
06:43<weasel>man ssh.
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06:43<foobz>weasel, i did
06:43<weasel>and what did you find?
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06:44<foobz>weasel, there's nothing about binding the _socks_ (-D option) tunnel to a specific remote address
06:44<mordy>ogun - man dhclient doesn't seem to provide anything either - no "-H" in there :(
06:44<weasel>ah. probably true.
06:45<foobz>weasel, any ideas? :)
06:45<Ogun>mordy, ah. I might be reading about a never version of it then.
06:45<weasel>foobz: stop wanting that?
06:46<foobz>weasel, hehe :) preferably no... i wouldn't want to surf with the company's address as i have my dedicated ip too :)
06:46<Ogun>mordy, Or it is symlinked to dhclient3, which does send the hostname.
06:46<foobz>but it must be possible anyway... i'm just wondering how.
06:49<mordy>ogun - same result :(
06:49<Ogun>mordy, Then I'm beat. Can't think of anything else.
06:51<mordy>ogun - i found this http://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2005q3/000436.html but send host-name "box" gives me "no such device" - :(
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06:58<Ramendik>q: where do I kill apt's cache of package lists and signatures, without killing the cache of actual debs?
06:58<Ramendik>apparently my secure-apt problems are hidden there
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06:58<mordy>ogun - that works - but i don't know why it's not showing up in my router's /hosts
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06:59<Ogun>mordy, I think that dnsmasq can do it, I am not sure.
07:00<Ogun>mordy, I've always used ISC DHCP myself.
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07:02<mordy>ogun - if only there was a way to have this work with a static IP
07:02<mordy>maybe something in /network/interfaces?
07:03<Ogun>mordy, http://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2007q3/001550.html <- interesting thread
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07:05<mordy>hmm... i'll check that out :D
07:06<T_X>I'm desperate, I've wasted three double layer dvds now... I made in iso-file first (mounting and playing this one with mplayer works perfectly) but after burning the image on the dvd+r dl, the dvd lags
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07:08<T_X>I did the burning with "growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=foo.iso -speed=2"
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07:08<foobz>i guess i'll have to do some iptables forwarding
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07:10<T_X>and "genisoimage -dvd-video -o foo.iso /media/cdrom/" for making the image
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07:45<mordy>ogun - seems interesting. i'm not using any suffixes in my domain (i.e. ".net") so i'm not running into these problems (and why that guy would at all use ".net" in his local domain is beyond me). but i did find out where the router has my hostname stored
07:47<Ogun>mordy, Good good. Small steps forward will crack the problem eventually.
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07:47<mordy>ogun - it pretty much works for me :D but i wonder if there's a way for the client to send the hostname *and* send its IP
07:48<Ogun>mordy, dhclient?
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07:48<mordy>Ogun - but i don't want to start changing the configuration on my computers from static to dynamic
07:48<Ogun>mordy, For statically configured hosts you normally would add DNS info manually.
07:49<mordy>ogun - can't my gateway detect the hostname of clients that pass through it and add it to /hosts?
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07:54<Ogun>mordy, Given enough rubber chickens, goat blood and black candles, I guess it could :)
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07:55<mordy>ogun, my living quarters are too small for that :|
07:55<Ogun>mordy, E.g. not in any way I know of.
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07:56<mordy>ogun: i guess a simple script can do it - (or can it?)
07:57<mordy>but that's not what i would call a 'clean' job
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08:15<keiko>Morning
08:19<E0x>morning
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08:36<nico>hi
08:36<nico>i have a problem with a ssh server on my debian server
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08:37<Txt-file>nico: more precisely?
08:38<nico>i have a debian 4.0 system running and it always generated blacklisted ssh (host-)keys
08:38<nico>and apt sas that it is up to date
08:38<nico>i have another server running with the same apt sources and have no ptoblem there....
08:40<nico>also when i try to install build-essential i get an error that libc6-dev is needet but won't be installed and that it depends g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) which also should not be installed
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08:40<nico>so i think that my apt has a "little" problem with itself
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08:43<nico>do you have any idea where the problem could come from?
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08:46<Txt-file>nico: I have no idea ... but get you any errors
08:47<Txt-file>nico: if so please pastebin these
08:47<nico>well
08:47<nico>only one error with ssh
08:47<nico>Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdHost key 52:03:b5:ee:15:cb:8d:ad:05:74:14:bb:da:63:86:a9 blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1))
08:48<nico>when i delete the host keys and then run dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server it generates some new keys which are also blacklisted
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08:51<nico>i mean, which package generates the key or which files are involved in generating?
08:52<stevecotton>openssl I think
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08:55<nico>well, openssl is the same version on both systems
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08:56<mordy>i can ping box1.local, but i can't seem to ping box2.local, even though their /interfaces and resolv.conf is identical
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08:59<stevecotton>nico - the fix appears to be in libssl0.9.8 (that's a package name, not a package with version number)
08:59<nico>hmm
08:59<stevecotton>but that should have updated too
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09:00<nico>it says that it's already the newest version
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09:07<nico>oh hmm
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09:07<nico>on my homeserver (the one which is not working) it is libssl0.9.8 version Version: 0.9.8c-4etch1
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09:08<stevecotton>are you getting rid of all 6 key files?
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09:10<nico>well, ssh-vulnkey says that /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub and /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub is compromised
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09:10<gsimmons>nico: You need 'libssl0.9.8' 0.9.8c-4etch3. /msg dpkg dsa1571; /msg dpkg ssl update
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09:12<nico>and how do i get them?
09:12<nico>and what do you mean by the /msg dpkg...
09:14<gsimmons>nico: They are commands for your IRC client. It's possible that your issues with apt are preventing the installation of these updated library packages.
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09:14<nico>i run the irc client on another host
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09:17<nico>how do i run these commands on a normal shell?
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09:18<avu>nico, the /msg ... commands are irc commands that send messages to the 'dpkg' bot here in the channel
09:19<nico>ah ok
09:19<avu>nico, when executing those in your irc client, the bot will tell you more about the needed ssl upgrade
09:19<nico>ok mom, will start an irc client on the pc
09:19<avu>no!
09:19<avu>why?
09:19<avu>you already have an irc client running
09:20<avu>these are not commands that will execute anything on the computer
09:20<avu>just type "/msg dpkg dsa1571"
09:20<avu>now. here. in your irc client.
09:21<avu>or, let me do it for you 8)
09:21<avu>!tell nico about dsa1571
09:21<nico>ok thx
09:21<nico>thought that it will send sond infos about installed packages
09:21<avu>ther,e you now received a private message from dpkg
09:21<avu>read it.
09:21<nico>msg dpkg ssl update
09:21<avu>you forgot the /
09:21<nico>yep
09:22<nico>well
09:23<nico> cpp-4.1and libmagick9 wil be removed because they are no more needet
09:23<nico>but no new ssl version
09:24<avu>Txt-file, what?
09:24<gsimmons>nico: You did perform "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade", right?
09:24<nico>yep
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09:24<nico>i ran an apt-get dist-upgrade earlier this day but it found nothing ne
09:24<nico>w
09:25<gsimmons>nico: Please provide the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file at a paste site.
09:25<gsimmons>!paste
09:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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09:27<nico>http://paste.debian.net/12781/
09:27<nico>it's the same as on my other deb system
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09:28<jidm>Hi. network-manager doesn't shows i'm connected by lan, but i am
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09:29<gsimmons>nico: Please also pastebin the output received for "apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8".
09:30<nico>http://paste.debian.net/12783/
09:31<jidm>i have 2 ethernet devices on my pc. is there a posibility that it shows me the device i'm not using? How can i switch between devices?
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09:34<gsimmons>nico: Uh, you have somehow managed to install a 'libssl0.9.8' version which isn't available for Etch (0.9.8g-8).
09:34<nico>hmm
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09:34<nico>cool XD
09:34<Txt-file>jidm: right-click a panel -> add to panel -> anything with network
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09:35<nico>and how can i remove that special version?
09:36<Zathraz>!tell nico about dpkg
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09:36<nico>well
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09:37<nico>hm dpkg --remove libssl0.9.8 won't help much i think
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09:39<bcochofel>Hi, what's the best way to set timezone for all the system? I'm having trouble with apache2 and some other programs, specially the log files get timestamp with other tz
09:40<bcochofel>I've tried /etc/profile but I guess this is only valid for consoles
09:40<jidm>Txt-file: now i added a network monitor to my panel, but network-manager continues telling me i'm not connected
09:40<nico>bcochofel: tzconfig
09:40<nico>or tzselect
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09:41<bcochofel>nico: I've tried that, but still apache doesn't get the right TZ
09:41<nico>hmm
09:41<jidm>it is important to me because i want to use network-manager-vpnc to connect trought vpn
09:41<Zathraz>bcochofel, have you tried restarting apache?
09:41<bcochofel>Zathraz: yes
09:41<SledgY>What is the difference between linux-image-xen-amd64 and linux-image-xen-vserver-amd64?
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09:42<SledgY>Packages both have the same description
09:42<Zathraz>nico, consider dpkg --purge
09:42<Zathraz>anr reinstall the ssl thingy from the regular sources
09:42<Txt-file>jidm: I have there a pull-down menu where I can select the network interface
09:42<Zathraz>*and
09:43<nico>dpkg --purge libssl0.9.8 gives me about 100 another packages which depend on libssl...
09:43<dpkg>nico: You are moron #3
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09:43<jidm>Txt-file: Yes i tried to switch, but network-manager does not follow that selection
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09:43<Txt-file>jidm: sure ... that are 2 different apps
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09:44<Txt-file>jidm: do you want to edit the network settings?
09:44<jidm>Txt-file: it will be ideal for me to take network-manager on work
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09:44<silver>hello room
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09:45<nico>hi
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09:45<jidm>Txt-file: i mean, i have internet and all network stuff working properly, but just network-manager does not seem it
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09:46<Txt-file>jidm: I am sorry but I have no 2nd network interface so I can't try a few things
09:47<jidm>Its ok
09:47<jidm>Txt-file: last question: Is your network-manager working ok?
09:48<jidm>Txt-file: thanks a lot!
09:48<Txt-file>jidm: sure
09:48<Txt-file>np
09:48<nico>do you knwo how can get rid of that one wrong version?
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09:50<Txt-file>jidm: but I use the network-manager rarely ... I get my ip via /sbin/ifconfig
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09:51<jidm>Txt-file: yes me too, but is good to connect vpn services in a easy way, just one single click
09:51<Txt-file>jidm: that's right
09:52<nico>Txt-file: any idea?
09:52<Txt-file>jidm: nope
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09:54<nico>hmm
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10:04<AB-Solution>Hi, I'm trying to built a minimal kernel 2.6.24.5. When booting it I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)". I think I misconfigured the config (make menuconfig). I have tried to compile necessary modules into the kernel like fs and device driver but this was not successful. I STFW for docs about how to forge a config correctly but this was not...
10:04<AB-Solution>...successful either. Could you please assist getting such a working config?
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10:11<Txt-file>!vfs
10:11<dpkg>well, vfs is virtual filesystem
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10:13<AB-Solution>Txt-file, I had also sda1. Currently I am building in a VM but destination plattform will use LVM, So I guess VFS comes from that.
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10:15<Txt-file>AB-Solution: so you need all the driver (and else) for vfs and virtualization ... if you're in a VM (I think!) you don't need anything for LVM
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10:17<AB-Solution>Txt-file, yes, I agree and I am trying to get that. But I am stuck finding my way through the various options of CONFIG_.
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10:17<AB-Solution>I tried to enable all drivers but still haven't been successful.
10:18<AB-Solution>I read at kernelnewbies.org that LVM needs initrd and used that while building the kernel. But this ended in a shell of the initrdfs...
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10:19<AB-Solution>So any hints about how to forge a CONFIG_ the best way would highly appreciated.
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10:20<AB-Solution>... would be highly ...
10:20<Txt-file>AB-Solution: my way for getting a new kernel was to take the old config and then disable all the stuff
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10:21<AB-Solution>Yes, I tried that approach as well, but the old system is 32 and the new is 64 bit and the differences in HW are too much as I see it.
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10:22<AB-Solution>Also I tried the config from the kernel that can when I installed the system and tried to strip that down, but this are my results...
10:22<Txt-file>AB-Solution: there is only one way to upgrade from 32Bit OS to 64Bit OS ... REINSTALL
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10:23<Txt-file>everything else is not recommended
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10:23<AB-Solution>I did already insall a fresh system.
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10:23<Txt-file>then you should have a working kernel
10:24<AB-Solution>Yes I have, but I am trying to build a minimized kernel 2.6.24.5.
10:24<AB-Solution>That's where I would need assistance in getting a working config.
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10:26<Txt-file>nobodys knows your hardware and needed kernel-settings so good like you :)
10:27<Txt-file>what about to get the config from the running kernel and disable bit by bit
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10:32<AB-Solution>I am currently trying that but only little success...
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10:33<AB-Solution>Can I figure out which CONFIG_ settings I need derived from my hardware? I tried to find more infos about how to get along with taht.
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10:34<Txt-file>AB-Solution: cause this a I have often only a few things (like fs I don't need)
10:34<AB-Solution>... and building a kernel each time eats up a lot of time...
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10:34<Baggy2>Hi guys! I'm reading about cross-compilers and came across a dilemma. When reading about gcc and cross-compilers, three options are usually mentioned: build, target, and host. My question is this: The target option is only present when compiling a compiler, right? when building canadian cross.. when running configure on other sw I only use build and host..
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10:35<Txt-file>AB-Solution: I have no more ideas ... and the anser for the last question is 42 or I have no idea
10:35<AB-Solution>Txt-file, thanks so far for your input and the understanding that I could be on the right way...
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10:36<Txt-file>AB-Solution: np
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10:39<SeJo>can someone help me with this error on lenny/65
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10:41<Txt-file>sejo: which erorr? please pastebin it
10:41<Txt-file>!pastebin
10:41<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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10:42<lothar>gsimmons: I have got back my running multiboot environment. The missing entries propably where install=... and magicboot=... lines I think. But I have installed OSX completely new. So don't exactly know what really the solution was.
10:43<SeJo>Txt-file: sorry not needed
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10:43<Txt-file>sejo: ok
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10:45<SeJo>Txt-file: apperently my mirror was out off date (trying to install e17 but got errors on x11-common-7.3) and i'm on lenny
10:46<gsimmons>lothar: Nope, both install= and magicboot= were also present in your previously pasted yaboot.conf configuration files. But glad to hear it's been resolved for you.
10:46<SeJo>Txt-file: does aptitude remove also remove the unused dependencies?
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10:47<gsimmons>lothar: Also, only a small modification to /usr/share/mol/oftrees/oftree.x is necessary, to enable the installation of bundled Mac OS X media within MoL.
10:47<gsimmons>!tell lothar -about mol
10:48<Txt-file>sejo: I don't think so ... apt-get has for this the autoremove option
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10:49<SeJo>Txt-file: ok thanks
10:50<lothar>gsimmons: Maybe also the switch of Panther to Leopard has chenged the layout of the partitions, thus the yaboot.conf may be gone wrong. The other option would by accidantly writing to the wrong partitions :-) (Thanks for the mol hint)
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11:01<robokop>i'm making a preseed.cfg file, and I want to get a partman-auto/expert_recipe string, can i generate it from my current disklayout?
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11:30<Vi^3PP>hey um when is acidrip going to be update to support the new glib ... it gives a warning that errs will ensue bc it is a .x behind on glib
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11:46<SeJo>someone using entrance here?
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11:50<zion>Hello, whats the default permissions for /?
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11:56<lothar>gsimmons: OS X could be started and would install, but I have no image (mol-img is not on my system). Or is it not in my path ?
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11:59<gsimmons>lothar: With MoL, you can either configure /etc/mol/molrc.osx to either reference an existing installation (ie. HFS+ partition) or a disk image. You can use the qemu-img utility (provided by the 'qemu' package) to prepare the latter.
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12:01<lothar>Ahh, ok. Also I have seen the real partitions, but that I don't touch for now :-)
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12:18<mactheknife>hi there, can some one help to format my new external hdd?
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12:19<mactheknife>" could not determine the filesystem type and none was specified...
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12:24<stevecotton>mactheknife - have you set the partition table up yet?
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12:24*stevecotton would point you to the nice GUI thingy, but it currently doesn't seem to work :(
12:24<mactheknife>stevecotten: no
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12:24<stevecotton>!fdisk
12:24<dpkg>fdisk is the name used for several hard disk partition table editor programs for PC compatible computers. Before a hard disk can be used by an operating system on a PC, it must be divided into one or more logical disks called partitions.
12:25<stevecotton>dpkg - can you give more of a HOWTO on that?
12:25<dpkg>stevecotton: I don't know, could you explain it?
12:25<themill>!gparted
12:25<dpkg>gparted is, like, the GNOME partition editor, which uses libparted (ask me about <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install "ntfsprogs" to enable NTFS support and "dosfstools" for FAT16/32 support. consider a <debian-live> image + installing gparted (after boot) as an alternative to the gparted live cd
12:25<mactheknife>stevecotton: I know that linux can format it, I did it once quite a long time ago when i had a little help from a friend
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12:27<stevecotton>gparted would be good, if I hadn't just logged a "can't format" bug :( That might be specific to my setup.
12:27<stevecotton>mactheknife - if you're running stable or testing, gparted should be good
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12:28<themill>dpkg: fdisk is also Ask me about <partitioning><gparted>.
12:28<dpkg>themill: okay
12:28<mactheknife>stevecotton: ok, I have gparted running now and I selected the external hdd
12:28<mactheknife>what shoud I do now?
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12:29<themill>dpkg, partition help mactheknife
12:29*dpkg partitions the disk of mactheknife with a large axe
12:29<themill>(sorry, I just had to...)
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12:32<E0x>!ask
12:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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12:33<mactheknife>should I set disktable to MSDOS?
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13:01<darkness__>Say guys i recently booted up an old debian/sarge box but getting updates don't work?
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13:03<darkness__>Is for starters sarge still supported?
13:03<gsimmons>!sarge
13:03<dpkg>Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>.
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13:04<darkness__>Ah, okay thanks.
13:04<darkness__>Looks like i need to change my package list i guess?
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13:07<darkness__>!sarge->w
13:07<darkness__>!sarge ->etch
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13:08<mactheknife>Hi, can some one help again with my external hdd? It is not recognised after set disk table to dos
13:08<mactheknife>with gparted :-(
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13:11<Vi^3PP>honestly i had the same problem mactheknife with my usb hdd but once i went back to ext2/3 it was fine.... sorry i cant help more than that
13:11<Vi^3PP>i have no need for m$ formats really
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13:15<mactheknife>no one? :-(
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13:22<sysop>hi guys
13:22<sysop>I have an apt-get problem
13:22<sysop>its a couple of lines of errors so I dont want to paste it into the channel.
13:23<ries>use http://pastebin.com/
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13:54<davi>I am surprised there are less release critical bugs tagged ad 'etch' than as 'testing'?
13:54<davi> Reference: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
13:54<davi>Should I upgrade my etch to testing?
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13:56<noflash>davi, I think there's been a partial freeze...you might change it to lenny if you want to track the next stable
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13:57<davi>thanks noflash
13:58<sysop>any ideas on my upgrade issue?
13:58<sysop>http://pastebin.com/m5678ba58
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14:01<kesrut>hi debian user
14:01<kesrut>users*
14:01<kesrut>we will roll the world !
14:01<kesrut>;-)
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14:01<soft_>Hello, I am currently installing Debian on my Dell Vostro 1500. I have run across two problems so far: I can not figure out where to get the NVidia driver for Debian and I cannot get my Intel Pro Wireless 1395 agb card to work. It's there, but my network manager appplet in the bar does not show it.
14:02<themill>soft_: etch? lenny?
14:03<soft_>Lenny
14:03<soft_>Sorry
14:04<themill>exactly what wireless does it have? lspci -nn | grep -i net
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14:05<soft_># lspci -nn | grep -i net 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX [14e4:170c] (rev 02) 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02)
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14:05<themill>soft_: 3945 ... that sounds better :)
14:05<soft_>lol
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14:06<themill>!iwlwifi
14:06<dpkg>The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlwifi etch>, <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net
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14:06<themill>soft_: ^^ that one's quite easy. The nvidia is not so easy, but let's do one thing at a time.
14:06<soft_>Okay
14:06<rik_>sysop: you can ignore these errors during an upgrade
14:07<soft_>Where it says non-free sources, what are those?
14:07<themill>!non-free sources
14:07<dpkg>[non-free sources] edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
14:08<themill>soft_: if you want, you can ask the bot directly, e.g. /msg dpkg non-free sources
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14:08<soft_>Could the non-free sources have copyrighted content? ie could I break a law?
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14:09<themill>soft_: no. If it is in debian, then you are allowed to use it, it might just be that you are not allowed to give it to someone else, for example. /msg dpkg non-free
14:10<themill>soft_: Also, /msg dpkg dfsg to find out more about how debian works out whether something is "free" or "non-free".
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14:10<soft_>Okay, thanks
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14:17<soft_>Deb doesn't have iwlist?
14:18<themill>wireless-tools package
14:19<soft_>Already have it :\
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14:19<themill>/sbin/iwlist
14:19<themill>probably not in your $PATH if you are not root
14:20<themill>!apt-file
14:20<dpkg>[apt-file] a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename.
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14:26<soft_>themill, I have two connections now, eth0, I was using that earlier, and lo.
14:27<soft_>I'm assuming lo is the wireless one. When I unplug the ethernet cable, lo does nothing.
14:27<soft_>I ran the commands that the bot and the wiki said to.
14:27<themill>no, lo is your local loopback device
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14:28<soft_>What's loopback?
14:28<soft_>nvm
14:28<themill>what does "ifconfig -a" show?
14:28<themill>!paste
14:28<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:29<soft_>http://paste.debian.net/12826/
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14:38<themill>soft_: /sbin/ifconfig -a .... many of these commands will be in /sbin
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14:40<soft_>http://paste.debian.net/12828/
14:42<themill>soft_: what does "lsmod | grep iwl" give?
14:43<soft_>http://paste.debian.net/12829/
14:44<themill>have a look at the output from the command dmesg... I suspect you'll see something towards the bottom where iwl3945 is complaining about a kill switch
14:45<Blacker47>hello, I want to put /var to a LUKS-crypted volume. the question is, if it could affect booting (/var/log, /var/run) on debian etch and on lenny. any suggestions?
14:46<ginrum>Could someone help me with an analog formating question for an apache2 logfile? I have the syntax here - http://paste.debian.net/12830/
14:46<soft_>themill, I don't see anything about a killswitch in it, do you mean the hardware killswitch for airplanes and stuff?
14:46<themill>!killswitch
14:46<dpkg>Many wireless drivers (including the ipw* and iwl* drivers) will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work.
14:46<themill>soft_: yeah
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14:47<soft_>themill, the killswitch is off. (hardware is on)
14:47<themill>soft_: try modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail -20 and see what output you get
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14:48<soft_>A big one this time http://paste.debian.net/12832/
14:50<themill>soft_: please read lines 2 and 3 of what you pasted carefully....
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14:52<soft_>That's weird, I ran it earlier and it didn't say it wasn't found.
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14:52<themill>you probably ran it as root
14:53<satanas>hi everybody
14:53<satanas>i have a problem with a network interface in debian lenny
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14:53<satanas>i did a clean installation on a p2~300MHz, 128MB ram, 2 hdd 4,3GB each one
14:54<satanas>using a netinst cd
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14:54<satanas>during the installation the network work like a charm
14:55<satanas>i mean, it detected the hardware and got an IP using dhcp from my ISP
14:55<satanas>but after the installation i couldn't start my networking
14:55<soft_>themill, how do I find modprobe?
14:55<satanas>i mean it never got a IP
14:55<themill>soft_: take a guess . . .
14:56<themill>soft_: but you will need to do it as root anyway
14:56<soft_>aptitude?
14:56<themill>/sbin/modprobe
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14:59<soft_>http://paste.debian.net/12833/ Something different this time.
15:00<themill>soft_: [19:56] <themill> soft_: but you will need to do it as root anyway
15:00<soft_>I did
15:00<themill>it would appear not. What's the output of whoami?
15:01<soft_>I've logged into a root shell now so it says root, before I ran the command with just sudo.
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15:02<themill>soft_: that was three separate commands though, so you'd need more than one sudo for it to work.
15:02<soft_>Okay
15:02<soft_>http://paste.debian.net/12835/
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15:03<themill>do you have the firmware package installed? apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi
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15:04<satanas>here is my networking information
15:04<satanas>http://rafb.net/p/q07gPn64.html
15:04<pelmon>The following packages have been kept back:
15:04<pelmon> audacious-plugins kaffeine libwine libxine1 pulseaudio wine
15:04<pelmon>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
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15:04<pelmon>sorry. i'll pastebin that
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15:05<themill>dpkg: tell pelmon about kept back
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15:06<soft_>themill, It can't find the package.
15:06<soft_>Should I update?
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15:06<themill>did you run aptitude update since editing your sources.list?
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15:09<soft_>I haven't edited the file.
15:10<themill>:(
15:10<themill>soft_: so what precisely did you mean when you said: [19:27] <soft_> I ran the commands that the bot and the wiki said to.
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15:11<soft_>OH!
15:11<soft_>It said to do that one command that you said would only work in root.
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15:11<soft_>The one that loads and unloads kernel modules.
15:11<themill>!iwlwifi
15:11<dpkg>The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlwifi etch>, <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net
15:11<soft_>I didn't do it in root. >.>
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15:12<themill>soft_: it tells you to do a bit more than that...
15:13<soft_>I'll get the package online.
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15:14<soft_>Okay, I ran the cache command you gave me.
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15:15<soft_>Okay, that should do it. brb
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15:17<kurumin>oiiii
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15:18<kudlaty_>hi
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15:18<pelmon>heh. had bpo in my sources still. solved
15:19<kudlaty_>i've got problem with my etch 4.0
15:19<kudlaty_>the network manager-gnome , doesnt show any network cards
15:19<soft_>lol
15:19<kudlaty_>but wired and wireless cards are configured
15:20<cahoot>kudlaty_: you must comment out all other entries than 'lo' in /etc/network/interfaces
15:20<themill>kudlaty_: nm doesn't touch things in /etc/network/interfaces. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager
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15:27<soft_>Ha! I got it!
15:28<soft_>Thanks themill.
15:28<soft_>Did you say the NVidia card would be harder?
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15:28<themill>well done
15:29<themill>I don't know much about nvidia other than it's harder in lenny than it should be.
15:29<themill>!nvidia lenny
15:29<dpkg>1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx
15:29<themill>soft_: ^^ that's about all I can tell you.
15:29<themill>soft_: (that and *don't* use the installer from the nvidia website)
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15:30<Cheatah>dpkg -S /etc/passwd
15:30<dpkg>You Fool! /etc/passwd is installed!
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15:30<themill>!botsnack
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15:33<EricB>is the adept updater/apt-get safe from the dns poisoning attacks?
15:33<themill>EricB: you have gpg to detect that anyway
15:34<themill>(oh, and don't use adept)
15:34<Cheatah>is think just as safe/vulnerable as any other network client on the system?
15:34<EricB>what's wrong with adept?
15:34<themill>!adept
15:34<dpkg>rumour has it, adept is a package manager for Debian that is designed to fit nicely into KDE environments. It is sufficiently buggy that it is not even in sid; take that as a warning. See http://bugs.debian.org/464340. Its use under etch is not recommended either; just use aptitude instead or if you really need a GUI, synaptic. Ask me about <aptitude> <synaptic>.
15:34<EricB>ah
15:35<EricB>thanks
15:35<Cheatah>adept doesn't run from the command line :P
15:35<themill>Cheatah: it's less vulnerable because the repositories are signed so you would see any badness.
15:35<Cheatah>themill: well, yes, in that way you're right :)
15:35<EricB>that's what I was curious about
15:36<Cheatah>even if the cache were poisoned, they can't change the packages without you knowing
15:36<themill>yep
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15:43<deepy>I successfully installed the system through netboot
15:43<deepy>But when I try to start it up I only get to [Linux-initrd @ 0x7974000, 0x56bda8 bytes]
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15:46<Woet>how to make apt-get upgrade skip the linux image?
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15:47<xray492>i believe apt-get upgrade and a dash after your linux image
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15:50<robokop>with partman-auto expert_recipe, can i also set a partition label (the one e2label shows you)
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16:33<jonathanpoon>hey guys...
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16:33<jonathanpoon>I'm running the amd64 version of debian lenny. I was wondering if anyone got flash 9 to work with iceweasel 3.0
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16:47<Cheatah>du -sh /etc
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16:49<robokop>Cheatah: why?
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16:49<Cheatah>wrong tab
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17:20<jsperlhofer>is there a xen 3.2 for etch?
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17:22<snogglethorpe>jsperlhofer: works fine for me
17:22<snogglethorpe>jsperlhofer: [flash 9 + amd64 + IW 3.0 i mean]
17:23<jsperlhofer>... hm. are you talking about xen, snogglethorpe
17:23<jsperlhofer>?
17:23<snogglethorpe>jsperlhofer: no, sorry, damn nick completion got me again
17:23<jsperlhofer>hehe =D
17:23<snogglethorpe>jonathanpoon: works fine for me
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17:23<snogglethorpe>jonathanpoon: [flash 9 + amd64 + IW 3.0 + lenny i mean]
17:24<jonathanpoon>did you have to do anything?
17:24<jonathanpoon>I downloaded the installer straight from adobe's website...
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17:24<snogglethorpe>jonathanpoon: no, I just installed the flashplugin-nonfree package, it did all the weird magic necessary
17:24<jonathanpoon>ohhh
17:24<jonathanpoon>okay
17:25<snogglethorpe>jonathanpoon: and ... as a result of that, skype (i386 only) works too...
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17:26<jonathanpoon>whats the package name?
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17:28<snogglethorpe>jonathanpoon: for skype I just downloaded skype's static linux version
17:29<snogglethorpe>jonathanpoon: (since I don't use any other kde apps, I don't mind the binary library bloat)
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17:30<bizhan>hi running startx causes my system hang, please help?
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17:31<jonathanpoon>ok
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17:34<snogglethorpe>bizhan: "hang"?
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17:35<bizhan>snoggle: Yes it actually hard hang the system (may be soft).
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17:35<snogglethorpe>bizhan: does it do anything else?
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17:45<DarkBar>Hello.
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17:57<obmij>how do I make sure I have the fuse kernel module?
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17:57<mxey>obmij: modprobe fuse would load it.
17:58<obmij>what is it btw?
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17:58<mxey>obmij: it?
17:58<obmij>ahh file system in user space
17:59<obmij>nvm :P
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17:59<mxey>ah.
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18:01<obmij>is ntfs-3g stable read/write driver in the repos?
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18:12<themill>!ntfs-3g
18:12<dpkg>methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
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18:13<jsperlhofer>!xen
18:13<dpkg>xen is, like, an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
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18:14<mxey>obmij: It's in the repos, but not for the current stable release. You can find out that yourself on http://packages.debian.org
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18:21<shilow>can someone help me with somethign i cant figure it out whenevr i watch any type of video my machine crashes and i have the hard reboot and my machine wont turn back on tilli pull my poer cord for 5 sec and plug it back in
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18:24<witte>shilow: which viewer
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18:24<shilow>flash
18:24<shilow>totem
18:24<shilow>and, ...
18:24<shilow>mplayer
18:25<witte>shilow: looks like a temperature issue rather than a video issue
18:25<shilow>when it crashes the hard drives are still spinning
18:25<shilow>but the numlock key stays on
18:25<witte>shilow: are the fans of the graphics card and cpu working
18:25<shilow>yea
18:25<witte>can you have a look at the temperature of your machine
18:26<shilow>i seen in a forum for unbunto it was some pack you add to fix it but it's not avail for debian
18:26<witte>which one?
18:26<shilow>i'llhave to find a program to do it but i can check
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18:26<shilow>let me find to forum hang on
18:26<shilow>ubuntu-stricted-extras
18:27<witte>shilow: that is not a package i think, it is a repository
18:27<shilow>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=769325
18:27<shilow>thats what happens when i run video
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18:27<witte>shilow: ah, ok, you want debian-multimedia
18:27<witte>!dmm
18:27<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
18:27<shilow>i have that in my repo
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18:27<witte>and install w32codecs
18:28<witte>but that should not crash your system
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18:28<shilow>anyone know any apps to check system health?
18:28<shilow>i've been having this problem for 3 days
18:28<witte>gkrellm is ok
18:29<witte>shilow: you need ot install lm-sensors as well
18:29<shilow>whats a avg cpu temp?
18:29<shilow>k
18:29<witte>shilow: mine is 34 degree (celcius)
18:30<witte>but up to 50 is more or less ok
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18:30<shilow>gkrellm doesnt' show any temps
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18:31<witte>first run sensors-detect (of the lm-sensors package) and next you have to enable temperature output (F1 for configuring gkrellm
18:31<shilow>foudn it
18:31<shilow>i'm running 12 deg c
18:31<witte>shilow: that is a bit low
18:32<shilow>i have my comp by a window ac unit
18:32<witte>unless you have it in your basement and you are living where it is quite cold at the moment
18:32<shilow>my heatsink is cool to the touch
18:32<shilow>my gpu is a lil warm
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18:32<witte>shilow: ah, ok
18:33<witte>shilow: it could also be your gpu which gets overheated
18:33<shilow>usually when that happenes i get blocks on my screen
18:33<witte>which gpu do you have, and which driver do you use
18:33<shilow>it's not onboard
18:33<shilow>nvidia 4600 ti
18:33<witte>which driver: nv or nvidia
18:33<shilow>nvidia
18:33<shilow>i just reinstalle dthem after las tcrash
18:34<witte>no strange errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
18:34<shilow>affraid to test video because my hard drives are taking a beating form the hard reboots
18:34<shilow>let me check ..
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18:35<shilow>nothing that i'm noticing i can put it on pastebin if yoru experienced in those logs
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18:36<shilow>this started after updating some nvidia stuff maybe it over wrote some of the driver files fromt he nvidia website?
18:37<shilow>i havn't tried shutting off compiz and using nv drivers yet
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18:37<shilow>but i've been using nvidia drivers for 14 months with no problems
18:38<witte>shilow: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
18:38<witte>and are you using etch?
18:38<shilow>sid
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18:38<shilow>and from console with gdm shut down downloaded the sh file from nvidia
18:39<witte>!nvidia_post_etch
18:39<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:39<witte>try to install them the debian way (although both should work)
18:40<shilow>know of any howtoo's to instyall debian way i'm tired of my updates overwriting and killing the symlink to my nvidia drivers
18:40<witte>shilow: paste the line dpkg gave you
18:40<shilow>ahhh
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18:40<witte>can't make it any easier than that ;-)
18:41<witte>and you can upload the stuff to a pastebin, but i doubt that i can find much in it...
18:41<shilow>module assistant told me the build failed
18:41<chealer>witte: that factoid won't be of help with his video card
18:41<chealer>!tell shilow about ngd
18:42<witte>chealer: why not?
18:42<shilow>ohh tidbits to wrap my brain around be back in 20 min time to rtfm :D
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18:43<witte>chealer: ah, i see it in the wiki, legacy stuff
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18:44<chealer>shilow: there are several apps to monitor temperature, smartctl to check hard drive, memtest to test memory. I guess you can stick to temperature monitors.
18:45<shilow>well as of now any time i do anyting to do with video
18:46<shilow>the screen goes black, moniter blinks liek i shut off my machine, hard drives keep spinning numlock lick blicks, i do a hard power down, numlock light stays on wont poer up then i have to pull my power cord for a 5 count plug it back in and it boots
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18:46<shilow>excuse my typing it's miller time in my neck of the woods :D
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18:48<chealer>shilow: BTW, I told you about ngd, but that was because witte suggested to reinstall the Debian way. I don't see how doing that would fix your problem.
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18:49<shilow>yea i'm working on readign that but i just stuck my hand in my case my heatsink on my nvidia was hot as hell and the fan wasn't moving so i had to push it abit and it started to run but that woulnd't really cause my comp to crash i usally just get distortion and blocks on my screen
18:50<shilow>piss flapps.. i dont even know how to go about replacing that fan all my other cards are pci 16 and wont work on this mb
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18:52<shilow>this fan on my msi card looks the same i may have to move it over the card is 4 years old
18:52<Jaron2>I'm running debian on my laptop and want to disable my laptops internal monitor and only use the external one. Is this possible?
18:53<uatec_>your laptop probably has buttons (accessible while holding the FN key) which will cycle between all the different monitor modes
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18:54<Jaron2>My laptop unfortunately has no such function, it's quite an old laptop before most people manufacturers started doing that
18:54<Jaron2>There are no Fn functions
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19:04<scretch>hi.. i was installed enemy territory but sound didnt work.. u used command su -c 'echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss' and sound was ok but after reboot doesnt work screen in game.. can somebody help me?
19:06<Nemoder>scretch: make sure you don't have any other apps running that monopolize the sound device, a common culprit is a browser with flash
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19:18<Guest1193>\\list
19:18<Guest1193>/list
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19:22<Guest1193>when i try to mount my hd it says bad superblock. any help?
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19:23<Guest1193>i dont know what to do, with a 'bad superblock' problem.!!!
19:24<err404>Guest1193, you need fix it
19:24<shilow>google?
19:24<shilow>fsck ?
19:24<err404>yes fsck
19:24<err404>man fsck ...
19:24<Guest1193>ok
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19:25<[gloom]>hi there
19:25<err404>may be 'fsck --help' is enough
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19:26<[gloom]>I have a little problem with the iw4965 driver on 2.6.25, debian sid... anyone has been experiencing any issue?
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19:26<[gloom]>is there any known problem, or is just me?
19:27<shilow>the updates on sid lately been destructive
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19:27<[gloom]>it's a fresh install, not updating... so, maybe the versions now in the repos are wrong...anyone?
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19:29<h2-gw>I started playing with aptitude, re apt-get, and like it for the most part, but found one oddity: when I only want to download a package, not install it, like so: aptitude install -d -y <package>
19:29<h2-gw>the next upgrade/dist-upgrade it installed all the packages I'd downloaded, is there an option to tell it to not do that?
19:29<h2-gw>this is command line aptitude, not the curses thing
19:30<h2-gw>in other words, I never want the -d downloaded package to get installed by aptitude
19:30<witte>[gloom]: i dont use that driver, but what exactly is the problem? does not install, does not work? and did you check the bug tracking system
19:31<witte>h2-gw: i am not sure what you mean, but maybe you want apt-pinning
19:32<witte>h2-gw: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning
19:32<h2-gw>I mean, when I am downloading the physical deb, i do not want aptitude to install it later
19:32<h2-gw>not pinning
19:32<[gloom]>witte: I have compiled the kernel with the proper iw4965 driver support, i have downloaded the lastest firmware, copied it to /lib/firmware (of course, the kernel module for loadable fw is inserted), and I push the radio switch, as usual
19:32<h2-gw>this is a general thing, that would apply to any package I used the -d flag to download but not install
19:32<[gloom]>the interface wlan0 goes up, but the scanning is not working, so looking at dmesg
19:32<h2-gw>this is for a script, so it needs to be clean and transparent
19:33<h2-gw>apt-get ignores all debs downloaded with -d/--download
19:33<[gloom]>ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19
19:33<[gloom]>PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:06:00.0 at offset 1 (was 100002, writing 100006)
19:33<[gloom]>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
19:33<[gloom]>iwl4965: Error sending REPLY_SCAN_CMD: time out after 500ms.
19:33<[gloom]>iwl4965: TX Power requested while scanning!
19:33-!-[gloom] was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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19:33<h2-gw>I've managed to duplicate almost all apt-get behavior except that single thing, which I can work around if I need to, but thoght I'd check to see if there is an aptitude trick first
19:34<[gloom]>witte: did you see it before I go kicked:)?
19:34<witte>h2-gw: ok, no idea about that
19:34<h2-gw>ok
19:34<witte>[gloom]: next time use a pastebin ;-)
19:34<h2-gw>thought I'd check if there was some common trick
19:34<h2-gw>otherwise aptitude is looking really strong
19:34<h2-gw>how is it on sid?
19:34<witte>h2-gw: i use apt-get myself (old habit)
19:34<h2-gw>I like apt-get
19:34<h2-gw>the script offers users the choice
19:35<h2-gw>so I have to support both types
19:35<[gloom]>yeah, sorry
19:35<witte>[gloom]: which kernel are you running? uname -a
19:36<[gloom]>witte: so, the thing is that It's giving me firmware errors all the time, and that happens with the lastest fw version, and the version before that.
19:36<[gloom]>Linux SimestimII 2.6.25 #1 SMP Wed Jul 23 00:18:40 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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19:37<[gloom]>so the interface is there, but I can't get it to work properly
19:37<witte>[gloom]: isn't the iwl4965 driver in the debian stock kernel? that you need to compile it?
19:38<witte>[gloom]: and there is a package firmware-iwlwifi that should provide the firmware
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19:39<[gloom]>I have compiled a custom kernel image. And the firmware i'm talking about, is the firmware downloaded from intellinuxwireless....
19:39<[gloom]>mmm, i dodn't know that the firmware was too on the repo...
19:39<[gloom]>i'm going to check it
19:39<witte>!iwl4965
19:39<dpkg>The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlwifi etch>, <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net
19:39<[gloom]>thx man
19:40<[gloom]>maybe are different versions... i'm going to change the fw, and tell you smth
19:40<witte>[gloom]: no problem
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19:41<kurumin>jailson
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19:46<[gloom]>witte: mmm, seems to give the same error. I'm trying rebooting the machine.. maybe has to reload something... a fw hot swap is not a good thing, I think:D
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19:47<lightx>hi, im having trouble installing the driver for my ati video card, i keep getting this error "ERROR: vcdk is missing. Installation aborted." can anyone help?
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19:54<witte>lightx: when do you get that error, and how are you installing the driver
19:54<witte>!fglrx
19:54<dpkg>fglrx is, like, "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary See also <radeon>.
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19:56<lightx>the installer has a gui, after i click install on the gui is when the error pops up
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20:01<abrotman>lightx: whats' yoru radeon card?
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20:02<lightx>xpress 200
20:03<abrotman>lightx: tried the 'radeon' driver?
20:03<h2-gw>200 series don't have fglrx support
20:03<h2-gw>I think
20:03<lightx>yes, thats the one im having trouble with abrotman
20:04<abrotman>oh .. i thought you were using fglrx
20:04<lightx>no. sorry i didnt make that more clear :/
20:04<h2-gw>what installer are you talking about then?
20:05<lightx>http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
20:05<h2-gw>you can't use that I think
20:05<h2-gw>let me look
20:05<h2-gw>show me this output: lspci -nn | grep VGA
20:05<h2-gw>it's one line
20:06<lightx>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] [1002:5a61]
20:09<abrotman>lightx: etch ?
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20:10<lightx>im sorry, i dont know what that is
20:10<lightx>im pretty new at this :/
20:11<witte>lightx: etch is the stable version of debian (cat /etc/debian_version should return 4.0)
20:11<h2-gw>I can't remember the ati numbering series
20:11<lightx>oh
20:12<lightx>then yes
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20:12<witte>the ati supported devices: :12 *** gravity JOIN
20:12<witte>> oops, wrong paste
20:12<witte>http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware
20:12<h2-gw>that one should in theory be working
20:13<h2-gw>but I've never seen, tested, or even really heard about the ati installer gui thing
20:13<h2-gw>I'd never use it
20:13<witte>h2-gw: note that there could be some problems (noted in the bottom of that link i provided)
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20:14<lightx>hmm... im sure it should work, ive installed it on ubuntu several times and havent seen this error before
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20:14<h2-gw>if it's in the R400 range neither radeon or radeonhd will give much joy
20:15<h2-gw>that's kind of adead zone
20:15<h2-gw>fglrx will work though
20:17<lightx>ok, ill give it a shot
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20:33<mbent>hi guys, quick java related question. I installed netbeans and java6. Opening netbeans told me that i was using the JRE instead of the JDK. I then installed the Java6 JDK opened netbeans up again and said the same message. I then update-alternatives but a java runtime for JDK isn't listed. Anyone have any ideas?
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20:34<gravity>I thought the jre and the jdk had the same java runtime
20:34<gravity>jdk should just include javac and other such developer-specific things, aiui
20:34<gravity>Then again, I'm not really a java guy
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20:35<trueno>Hi! My webcam -gspca- stopped working... I am using sid. How can I faind out if it has been due to an upgrade? In that case, how can I know which libs it uses? Now I get only a green screen
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20:42<mbent>hmm, my update alternatives only show the jre paths. Ive dpkg-reconfigured' the java jdk package but that didn't work
20:43<gravity>mbent: You have javac in your path somewhere?
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20:43<mbent>how do I check?
20:43<gravity>mbent: whereis javac
20:44<mbent>javac: /usr/bin/javac
20:44<gravity>Ok, so you've go the jdk installed, or something like it
20:44<mbent>okay
20:44<gravity>mbent: You can see what's providing it by doing readlink /etc/alternatives/javac
20:45<mbent>/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/javac
20:45<mbent>that is the other java runtime?
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20:45<gravity>Yeah, you probably want to use sun's jdk
20:46<mbent>so i can do update alternatives --config javac ?
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20:46<gravity>mbent: Yeah
20:46<mbent>excellent! that works, thanks so much
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20:48<gravity>Rock, no problem
20:48<gravity>The sooner we're all on openjdk, the better
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20:50<abrotman>oh .. i wonder if hotjava is open source .. that'd be awesome!
20:51<gravity>The web browser?
20:51<abrotman>yeah
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20:53<gravity>heh, I haven't seen that in ages
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20:56<abrotman>the instructions tell you to use blackdown
20:56<cockroach>hrm, i know, non-free etc., but still: i'm having terrible 3d-performance with fglrx (lenny amd64 - ca. 8 fps in et:qw). how could i debug that?
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21:51<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
21:53<Lounge>i'm gonna need to create a script that'll allow me to unlock and mount the 1st luks partition before its starts the early crypto disks
21:54<Lounge>that way teh rest of the luks can get their key files from the first one
21:54<Lounge>problem is - i don't know how to script :(
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21:55<Lounge>this isn't lvm installed either
21:56<vook>anyone know what may cause my keyboard map to be completely different while connecting to a vnc session?
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22:11<arkroriz>oi
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22:17<jello>anyone know how the --transform option to tar works?
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22:47<journey4712>what is the lower level interface to mice than X? some sort of kernel options? i ask because my mouse is putting off 2 button outputs for 1 button(the up button sends button 4 while held, and then button 8 when released). I've tried various configurations for Xorg but the mouse never changes which leads me to think some lower interface is reporting the extra button hits
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22:55<abrotman>did you setup gpm ?
22:57<SledgY>Are the debian xen packages for etch currently viable for the AMD64 arch? I have not been able to get my system to boot into dom0 under the xen kernel (although I can boot it directly using an AMD64 kernel). I've asked in #debian-xen but seems to only contain lurkers and looked through the various xen pages on the debian wiki.
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23:01<stevecotton>journey4712: /dev/input/mice and the /dev/input directory in general.
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23:01<stevecotton>(assuming that you've configured X to use /dev/input, rather than reading the mouse directly)
23:02<abrotman>!gpm
23:02<dpkg>gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks.
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23:07*alphad_ is away: Être absent à partir de maintenant.
23:08<ThePeoplesMark>Hello. I'm running Debian lenny with KDE 3.5.9. When I log in, everything seems fine for default KDE. However, when I try to access an application or utility, all of my panels disappear and I have to restart X to make them appear again. Is this a known bug for lenny/testing, and if so, how do I fix it?
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23:13<journey4712>so, i've been playing with the /dev/input area, and have verified by using cat /dev/input/mouse1 > command , and one button at a time, to verify the kernel usb mouse driver is reporting the extra button presses
23:14<journey4712>so it seems, i need to pass some options to the kernel's usb mouse driver to tell it what kind of mouse i have or something, my guess is its got the wrong protocol setup o
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23:26<Guest1223>i'm trying to install vmware server on my debian box and i get this error. "None of the pre-built vmmon modules for VMware Server is suitable for your
23:26<Guest1223>running kernel".
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23:26<Guest1223>how do i fix this
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23:31<franco>alguien habla español ????
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23:31<path>nou, nadie franco
23:32<path>:-)
23:32<franco>xD
23:32<franco>andai metido en toas wn
23:32<franco>jajaja
23:32<franco>xDDD!!!
23:32<path>soy un bot
23:32<path>:D
23:32<franco>jajaj
23:32<franco>eres un boc
23:32<franco>xD
23:33<path>:-D
23:33<peterS>franco: English only please. there is #debian-es for Spanish, I believe
23:33<ThePeoplesMark>Hello. I'm running Debian lenny with KDE 3.5.9. When I log in, everything seems fine for default KDE. However, when I try to access an application or utility, all of my panels disappear and I have to restart X to make them appear again. Is this a known bug for lenny/testing, and if so, how do I fix it?
23:33<path>it is peterS
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23:33<path>he should be here :-)
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23:33<path>s/should/shouldn't
23:33<franco>:S
23:34<franco>who is him ????
23:34<path>franco, join #debianes
23:34<franco>i dont know :S
23:34<path>#debian-es I mean
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23:36<franco>right... i be connect to #debian-es
23:36<franco>thanks
23:36<franco>^^
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23:55<nic1138>does anyone know how to properly use italics on XTerm? It seems I got it working, but the italics actually look like bold-italic, I want normal italic...
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