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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-07-25

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00:24<josh_>?
00:24<josh_>hellllo?
00:24<RIVE>Hi josh_
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00:24<josh_>Is there anothor channel that can help with vmware things?
00:25<gsimmons>josh_: #vmware on irc.freenode.net.
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00:54<Dr_Z2A>hey, anyone know how to use firefox plugins with iceweasel?
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00:54<craigevil-eee>plugins or extentions?
00:54<Dr_Z2A>erm, extensions
00:54<craigevil-eee>plugins should just work same for extentions other than the ones from google
00:55<Dr_Z2A>http://www.polarcloud.com/rikaichan/ <- specifically that
00:55<Dr_Z2A>it pops up an error when I try to install any of them, something about it not being firefox
00:56<Dr_Z2A>oh wait no "unexpected installation error"
00:56<craigevil-eee>change the user agent in about:config
00:56<Dr_Z2A>ah
00:56<Dr_Z2A>how do
00:56<Dr_Z2A>just put about:config in the url bar?
00:58<Dr_Z2A>just change the word IceWeasel to Firefox?
00:58<craigevil-eee>yep mine reads as Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008062910 Firefox/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-2)
00:58<Dr_Z2A>cool, thanks
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01:17<kr0w>Hello just install Debian, and how user does not have access to the network device (eth0) but as with root access the network without issue, someone knows oque is this?
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01:25<SledgY>Are the debian xen packages for etch currently viable for the AMD64 arch? I have not been able to get my system to boot into dom0 under the xen kernel (although I can boot it directly using an AMD64 kernel). I've asked in #debian-xen but seems to only contain lurkers and looked through the various xen pages on the debian wiki.
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01:28<dantanna>SledgY: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=xen
01:29<dantanna>packages.debian.org is amazingly useful
01:31<SledgY>dantanna: So is reading the question
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01:33<SledgY>I wouldn't mention it doesn't boot, if I hadn't installed the package :p a google search for xen and debian results in lots of problems with earlier versions of the package and AMD64
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01:37<dantanna>SledgY: viable! (slaps forehead) I read available... sorry...
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01:38<SledgY>np
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01:39<SledgY>I might just fall back to a 686 Xen install, 64bit would be nice
01:39<dmz>hey, anyone have a recommendation on what can be done to logon to sites that "require firefox or IE" when the browser returns that it's iceweasel not firefox and these sites are not smart enough to recognize that it will work?
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01:40<SledgY>dmz: change the user agent in about:config
01:40<dmz>SledgY, i hate to say it, but i've really only found success with xen using source installs. we are approaching half a dozen boxes and have tried ubuntu, debian, redhat distro xen and found that it's really only been stable with the source
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01:40<dmz>thanks
01:40<dmz>i knew it was somewhere
01:41<craigevil-eee>dmz: change the useragent either in about:config or with the user agent switcher extension
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01:42<SledgY>dmz: Ah cool thanks, I'll give the source a try. Pity none of this kind of info is listed on wiki.debian.org/xen it seems to assume it will all just work... =o/
01:42<dmz>much better, thanks :)
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01:43<dmz>SledgY, i've also not gotten 3.2 to compile yet, 3.1.4 has worked great for me so far (under archives in download section)
01:44<SledgY>Was that on an AMD64 arch?
01:44<dmz>and the packages do "just work" if you have things just as it wants it
01:44<dmz>i'm using dual processor quad core intel machines, but amd64 should compile fine also
01:45<SledgY>Yeah I'm using a dualcore intel machine, but they are covered by the amd64 arch
01:45<dmz>i really need 3.2 though, i have some virtual machines i need to have > 3 network interfaces on, sigh
01:45<SledgY>heh
01:45<dmz>try source, you'll be happier
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01:46<SledgY>What about hte Xen kernel for hosted OS?
01:46<dmz>and i'm a die-hard package managed system freak, i hate doing it from source
01:46<SledgY>yeah I'd prefer to just install from packages
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01:46<dmz>actually i've found the debian package amd64 works great (doesn't have backwards time problem) but we're also using core 2.6.18-xen
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01:47<dmz>oh and don't forget to make your domU systems (if your using file system/loop based disks) 4k blocks instead of 1k, nasty bug out there from what i hear
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01:48<dmz>ok sleep time, long day tomorrow
01:48<dmz>thanks for the header info
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02:24<snow>hingwah, I can't mount pendri in the my system
02:24<hingwah>snow, ??
02:24<snow>usb storage
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02:25<snow>hingwah, are you can help me?
02:26<hingwah>snow, s/hingwah/hi/
02:26<snow>so
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02:27<snow>I tried mount, but ask that no exist sda1
02:28<_hingwah>snow, nah, just strange you suddenly call my name
02:28<snow>okay
02:28<snow>_hingwah, sorry about that
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02:32<snow>_hingwah, I used: mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/pen
02:32<snow>_hingwah, and return erro
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02:35<craigevil-eee>try using pmount, pmount /dev/sda
02:35<craigevil-eee>which DE are you using, kde/gnome should automount a flash drive
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02:37<enouf>!automount
02:37<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
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02:40<snow>okay
02:44<Lounge>actually i need to vreate a script that'll get a luks partition decrypted and mouted before the early crypto disk script is started at boot
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02:59<morgan`>hi
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04:07<k-man>is nvidia-kernel-source available in lenny?
04:07<dinar>hello
04:07<k-man>I can't seem to find it
04:08<dinar>i've installed cyrus on ubuntu 7.10, : imapd and cyradm
04:08<dinar>i asked in irc.freenode.net #cyrus and ubuntu
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04:09<dinar>i type cyradm then server domain.dom
04:09<dinar>asks for password
04:09<dinar>i should type cyrus user's?
04:09<dinar>i type, it says failed
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04:16<dinar>why you don't talk anything? why you are then in this channel?
04:16<dinar>sorry, i can think why
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04:40<Woet>im running openVZ, and created some VPSes on them
04:40<Woet>one of them is debian, and it works fine
04:40<Woet>but exactly the same (but other IP/id) doesnt work
04:40<Woet>I can connect to it using ssh, login and such
04:40<Woet>but it cant make connections itself
04:40<Woet>even apt-get update doesnt work
04:41<Woet>hmmw
04:41<Woet>wait
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04:42<Woet>fixed
04:42<Woet>forgot the nameserver
04:42<Woet>thanks
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04:45<kesrut>i need hex editor ?
04:46<kesrut>which i could extract some bytes and paste them to new hex file /
04:46<kesrut>?
04:46<kesrut>any suggestions ?
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05:09<sirkit>how do you configure xorg to enable higher resolutions?
05:09<sirkit>it's been awhile ._.
05:10<sirkit>oh, and is there a repo list somewhere I can use?
05:11<caffn>Repo list for.. Lenny? Sid?
05:12<sirkit>etch
05:12<caffn>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib
05:12<sirkit>..and I just checked my xorg.conf and my graphics card/resolutions are all set properly, but I just got finished installing and it won't let me go any higher than 640x800
05:12<sirkit>ty
05:12<caffn>Try installing the driver for your graphics-card
05:13<sirkit>the driver is set for "nv"
05:14<sirkit>nVidia Corporation C51 [GeForce 6150 LE]
05:14<sirkit>where would I get this driver?
05:14<Txt_file>how to setup the virtual resolution for Xorg? (any link)
05:14<caffn>Nv should be able to get higher resolutions I guess
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05:15*caffn thinks he found out why the internetconnection is crap.. Ping to my router gives me about 16% packet-loss.. No wonder the connection sucks ;D
05:15<caffn>Now to find out why :/
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05:16<Txt-file>caffn: hf gl
05:16<sirkit>that's what I thought, in the xorg.conf it lists all the available resolutions, but when I go to change them through preferences -> screen resolution
05:16<sirkit>theres nothign.
05:16<sirkit>nothing*
05:16<caffn>Ty ;D
05:16<caffn>Perhaps you need to add the resolutions to xorg.conf
05:16<sirkit>they're in the xorg.conf already though
05:17<caffn>Weird
05:17<sirkit> Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624"$
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05:17<sirkit>however the only option is 640x480
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05:42<kesrut>any java programmers ?
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05:55<beer> I have a small problem. I have just install kde4 (clean install), installed nvidia driver and copyed my all xorg.conf file back (in /etc/X11). But when I startx the 2. screeen is gray and I cannot right or left click on it and there is no bars, there is nothing. How can I set up so it starts a kde 4 session? (it used to aumtaic start a kde3 before but I did not do anything to make this happend)
05:56<mordy_>errr... maybe uninstall the driver?
05:57<mordy_>but this sounds like a framebuffer problem anyway
05:57<mordy_>make sure it's disabled
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05:57<beer>how to do tjat?
05:57<beer>that
05:57<mordy_>beer. depends on what you did
05:58<mordy_>can you pastebin your log, xorg.conf?
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06:00<beer>I used
06:00<beer># nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
06:00<beer># nvidia-settings: version 1.0 (buildmeister@builder62) Wed Apr 2 08:22:51 PST 2008
06:00<beer># nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
06:00<beer># nvidia-xconfig: version 1.0 (buildmeister@builder62) Wed Apr 2 08:22:13 PST 2008
06:00<beer>Section "ServerLayout"
06:00<beer> Identifier "Layout0"
06:00<mordy_>beer... not here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
06:00<beer> Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
06:00<beer> Screen 1 "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0"
06:00<beer> InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
06:00<mordy_>!paste
06:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
06:00<beer> InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
06:00<beer>EndSection
06:00<beer>Section "Files"
06:00<beer> RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
06:00<beer>EndSection
06:00<beer>Section "Module"
06:00<beer> Load "dbe"
06:00<petemc>stop that
06:00<beer> Load "extmod"
06:00<beer> Load "type1"
06:00<beer> Load "freetype"
06:00<beer> Load "glx"
06:00<beer>EndSection
06:00<beer>Section "ServerFlags"
06:01<beer> Option "Xinerama" "0"
06:01<beer>EndSection
06:01<beer>Section "InputDevice"
06:01<beer> # generated from default
06:01*petemc kicks debhelper
06:01<beer> Identifier "Mouse0"
06:01<beer> Driver "mouse"
06:01<beer> Option "Protocol" "auto"
06:01<beer> Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
06:01<beer> Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
06:01<beer> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
06:01<beer>EndSection
06:01<beer>Section "InputDevice"
06:01<beer> # generated from default
06:01<beer> Identifier "Keyboard0"
06:01<beer> Driver "kbd"
06:01<beer>EndSection
06:01<beer>Section "Monitor"
06:01<beer> Identifier "Monitor0"
06:01<beer> VendorName "Unknown"
06:01<beer> ModelName "Acer AL2216W"
06:01<beer> HorizSync 30.0 - 82.0
06:01<beer> VertRefresh 56.0 - 76.0
06:01<beer> Option "DPMS"
06:01<beer>EndSection
06:01<beer>Section "Monitor"
06:01<beer> Identifier "Monitor1"
06:01<beer> VendorName "Unknown"
06:01<beer> ModelName "Samsung SyncMaster"
06:01<beer> HorizSync 30.0 - 81.0
06:01<beer> VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0
06:01<beer>EndSection
06:01<beer>Section "Device"
06:01<beer> Identifier "Device0"
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06:01<beer> Driver "nvidia"
06:01<beer> VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
06:01<beer>EndSection
06:01<beer>Section "Device"
06:01<beer> Identifier "Videocard0"
06:01<beer> Driver "nvidia"
06:01<beer> VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
06:02<beer> BoardName "GeForce 9600 GT"
06:02<beer> BusID "PCI:5:0:0"
06:02<beer>EndSection
06:02<beer>Section "Device"
06:02<beer> Identifier "Videocard1"
06:02<beer> Driver "nvidia"
06:02<beer> VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
06:02<beer> BoardName "GeForce 8400 GS"
06:02<beer> BusID "PCI:4:0:0"
06:02<beer>EndSection
06:02<beer>Section "Screen"
06:02<beer> Identifier "Screen0"
06:02<beer> Device "Videocard0"
06:02<beer> Monitor "Monitor0"
06:02<beer> DefaultDepth 24
06:02<beer> Option "TwinView" "0"
06:02<beer> Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0"
06:02<beer> SubSection "Display"
06:02<beer> Depth 24
06:02<beer> EndSubSection
06:02<beer>EndSection
06:02<petemc>!ops beer is an idiot
06:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: petemc complains about: beer is an idiot
06:02<beer>Section "Screen"
06:02<beer> Identifier "Screen1"
06:02<beer> Device "Videocard1"
06:02<beer> Monitor "Monitor1"
06:02<beer> DefaultDepth 24
06:02<beer> Option "TwinView" "0"
06:02<beer> Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0"
06:02<beer>EndSection
06:02<beer>but I dont think it is pure X problem (the xorg.list worked with kde3)
06:02<beer>http://www.cs.aau.dk/~jonasmv/xorg.conf
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06:03-!-beer was kicked from #debian by weasel [not funny]
06:03<mordy_>hehe, i think it is funny, actually. but sad :(
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06:03<mordy_>!tell beer about paste
06:04<@weasel>beer: don't _EVER_ do that again.
06:04<beer>my right screen is working as it should, but left is not working.
06:04<beer>ok I got the point about pasting
06:04<@weasel>I think by now nobody cares about your screen anymore
06:04<caffn>rofl
06:04<@weasel>at least I wouldn't
06:05<beer>so you has a bigger ass than bill gates
06:06<Garibaldi_Norway>wtf ?
06:06<Jyce>Did somebody already configured OpenLDAP with SQL Backend on an Oracle DB ?
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06:07<mordy_>and if he would have told me that he's using two video cards then i wouldn't have asked him to paste. i don't know what to do :(
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06:29<Lounge>ok finally made a working startup script that calls cryptsetup to decrypt /root and mount it before the cryptdisk-early script initiates
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06:29<weasel>doesn't the default debian initrd handle that for you?
06:29<Lounge>making it so that the rest of the luks partitions can get their keyfiles from the /root
06:30<Lounge>not really a scripter
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06:32<Lounge>got tired of havinf to type three passphrases + the login pass on every boot/reboot
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06:41<Dennis>Hello
06:41<Lounge>hi
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06:45<weasel>bye
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06:51<Lounge>far out
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07:08<k-man>i put a drive that has some lvm partitions on it in a new computer, the partitions show up if i do lvscan but they don't appear in /dev/
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07:11<gsimmons>k-man: vgchange -ay foovolgroup
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07:21<kipman>!ask problem with mounting a smb share, get problem here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/mount.cifs-mount-error-20-not-a-directory-443693/ given solution works but has to be re-entered at every boot and so can't auto mount using fstab.
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07:34<davi>What is the most usable Wiki software package which Debian 'etch' includes?
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07:47<gsimmons>kipman: Try the following: http://paste.debian.net/12887/
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07:50<hg87>hello
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07:53<Txt_file>davi: what's your needs
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07:54<kipman>gsimmons: I get no such file or directroy for the modprobe and for install that --ignore-install is an unrecognised option
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07:57<chealer>davi: mediawiki
07:57<gsimmons>kipman: No, this is a new file you create with those contents. It applies your required setting when the cifs module is loaded.
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08:01<kipman>gsimmons thanks I will restart now and see if this works
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08:10<kipman>well managed to fix the mounting problem I had to enable the nounix option as aparently the nas was giving a malformd cifs response. As it's only a cheap 500GB I guess it's a problem at its end.
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08:20<Simon_42>Hey... It's SysAdminDay :-)
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08:28<neofx8080>hi, i need help to make a debian cluster
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08:29<Txt-file>neofx8080: I you find anything please tell it to me ... I also want to build a cluster
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08:29<neofx8080>:)
08:30<mhash>what kind of cluster specifically are you trying to achieve?
08:30<neofx8080>i have 16 intel xeon machin with 2gb ram and 250 gb HD
08:31<Simon_42>cluster is not always the best choice to balance load. What do you want.... 16 XEON machines??? You should build a cluster... :-)
08:31<neofx8080>cluestering web services and dababase services
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08:32<neofx8080>i wont load balance with HA services
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08:32<mhash>look at the linux-ha project (specifically the heartbeat packages in debian). Been a while since I did any of this so I am not completely up-to-speed
08:33<neofx8080>i'm a java developer, and i not have familarity with clustering :d
08:33<neofx8080>:)
08:34<mhash>you'll find plenty of howtos if you google actually
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08:46<SeJo>i've setup entrace as display manager (with the dpkg-reconfigure -a) but upon boot it does not launch it, where do i need to set it manually>
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09:00<Zathraz>Hi. On Debian Lenny I get: mysqldump: Got error: 1044: Access denied for user 'myuser'@'localhost' to database 'wikidb' when using LOCK TABLES
09:01<Zathraz>I never specified to use LOCK TABLES
09:01<Zathraz>how come? Is this a bug?
09:01<Zathraz>I can access mysql with those credentials using "mysql: from commandline without problems
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09:15<Zathraz>hmm. Sorry. Was Debian Etch with MySQL 5.0.32. Any comments on my mysqldump LOCK TABLES issue are appreciated
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09:20<Gathond>iirc mysql has a seperate security setting for with regard to having permission to lock a table
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09:20<Gathond>seems like those are wrong for whatever user attempting to lock it, the wiki might very well use lock tables
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09:34<Txt-file>where are the fonts saved?
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09:38<Mobil>whereis fonts
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09:42<costa>holy crap
09:43<costa>hello ALL
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10:03<pulp>hey i'd like to get my webcam to work with flash in firefox but im not sure how to go about it?
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10:04<Simon_42>pulp: search for the "penguin.swf" weblog and read over the last posts...
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10:06<pulp>Simon_42, cheers
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10:19<pulp>it's only x86_32 :(
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10:20<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>x86_16
10:21<seeker95>i did a netinst on a 10gig hd last night debian 4. desktop, web, system, files were loaded and started installing and then failed what would cause this
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10:21<xsdg>seeker95: do you have more details? like an error message or anything?
10:22<seeker95>it just said installed failed on software install with a red screen background and so i skipped it and it will not load grub or anything
10:22<pulp>x43_16 :o
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10:23<Golfgeo>Hi all
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10:24<xsdg>seeker95: well, clearly, it didn't install grub. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to debug the installer; sorry
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10:25<seeker95>i thought i would reinstall over the weekend and not do desktop but indepently load gnome after install. 10gig should be enough shouldnt it
10:26<xsdg>for non-desktop, yeah. other than that, I have no idea (I haven't done an install that installed things for me in ages)
10:26<Golfgeo>Question: I've been using Seagate drives for years but my last two 8 and 9 series have dyed premature (within two years) and am wondering if I should consider getting other onces or if the 10 series (on pata) is ofa better quality?
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10:27<seeker95>ok thanks xsdg later
10:27<mordy>i did find / -iname "*alps*" and find / -iname "*synaptics*" and ... "*touchpad*" but found nothing in /dev/* - any suggestions? i'm using lenny - i can't find my touchpad
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10:27<xsdg>mordy: people are helping you in the other #debian...
10:28<Golfgeo>mordy: Why on use it is a normal mouse?
10:28<xsdg>Golfgeo: "hard drives break; deal with it" (which is, to say, that it's very hard to find real stats on how well any drive does)
10:28<mordy>xsdg - i was about to say that i asked this question in the other room, but i got disconnected and for some reason i can't connect to there :(
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10:29<Golfgeo>xsdg: I know they do, but normaly I use them for over 5 years without fail. So anothers oppinion might give some insight...
10:29<xsdg>aah
10:29<mordy>golfgeo - i'm using a touchpad - i want to configure it with X, but i don't know where it's located
10:29<Golfgeo>mordy: I have one too but use it as a normal mouse...
10:30<mordy>hehe,i'm used to the scrolling bar on the side of the mouse
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10:31<Golfgeo>mordy: It should be: /dev/input/mice
10:31<xsdg>Golfgeo: I had a Hitachi that failed prematurely (and which I'll RMA), but I also have another one of pretty much the same kind that has no issues
10:31<Golfgeo>xsdg: Hitachi Deathstar ;-P
10:32<mordy>golfgeo - it *should* be there, but it's not :p - i can't cd to it at least
10:32<xsdg>Golfgeo: well, they are Deskstars, yes. They are not Deathstars, no
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10:33<Golfgeo>mordy: If youneed to use those "side-bars", then do not try using GPM and then dkgp-reconfigure Xorg
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10:34<mordy>golfgeo - dpkg-reconfigure xorg is very poor in lenny. it produces nothing :(
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10:35<Golfgeo>mordy: I'm using testing dunno if it is Lenny, but I did get Xorg up and running :-)
10:35<mordy>golfgeo - that's lenny
10:35<Golfgeo>mordy: I got it up and running. So I don't know where your problem is...
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10:37<mordy>golfgeo - i'm using an alps touchpad - i got the proper settings off the internet - but unfortunately the device path doesn't exist
10:37<Golfgeo>mordy: Is it recognised during boot? (dmesg | grep alps)
10:37<Golfgeo>Or just dmesg
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10:39<mordy>let me see. i found a weird path for it using the gui system information - "isa0060/...."
10:39<Golfgeo>And dmesg?
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10:39<mordy>golfgeo - i find it there
10:39<Golfgeo>And does it show a path?
10:40<Golfgeo>send me a private message with those lines
10:40<xsdg>mordy: that's in HAL
10:40<xsdg>mordy: lshal should be able to show you information about it
10:41*Golfgeo ponders: Lenny, where have the times of Potato gone...
10:41<mordy>- "/class/input/input11" - is this usable for X?
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10:41<Golfgeo>hmm
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10:42<Golfgeo>mordy: I cant help you without further information.
10:42<mordy>golfgeo - what do you need?
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10:42<mordy>the entire dmesg?
10:42<Golfgeo>send me a private message with those lines
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10:42<Golfgeo>the alps lines
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10:45<Golfgeo>mordy: reboot without the usb mouse and try somehow to rerun the xorg install scripts... dpkg-reconfigure xorg or alike.
10:45<mordy>golfgeo - that's been done already
10:45<Golfgeo>Those lines don't show a hard path to the mouse...
10:46<mordy>golfgeo - if i'm using the mouse, there *must* be a hard path to it somewhere - no?
10:46<xsdg>mordy: it's undoubtedly being used through /dev/input/mice
10:47<Golfgeo>If I where you I would apt-get install gpm and see where it points... P.S. Do this on a console without running the usb mouse and without X
10:47<mordy>gpm would tell me?
10:47<Golfgeo>xsdg: But is that path the usbmouse or the touchpatch?
10:48<Golfgeo>gtg exit x and recompile my nvidia-source. bbl
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10:48<mordy>hehe
10:49<mordy>xsdg - using /dev/input/mice is supposed to be a directory though, no?
10:49<xsdg>mordy: no, /dev/input/mice is a device
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10:49<mordy>hmm... and both the touchpad and the external mouse would be connected to it?
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10:51<mordy>doh. why didn't i think of this before? let me just look at the X log. silly me
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11:00<zach242>I'm trying to run a Dell Server Update on etch and I get the following error: "libstdc++.so.5 is required to run the Inventory Collector.". However, this file exists in /lib (as I apt-get install libstdc++5 and libstdc++5-3.3-dev). Any ideas as to why this error message still comes up?
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11:08<KaiSVK>hi all I would need instant help, I mistakenly deleted /etc/dhcpd.conf :( but DHCP server is still alive and giving IP to clients, is dhcpd.conf somewhere I could recover it from ?
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11:13<KaiSVK>please anyone
11:13<tabbaloo>Hi
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11:13<cahoot>KaiSVK: you already checked for any possible backup in /etc?
11:15<KaiSVK>cahoot: last one is from April :(((
11:15<stevecotton>see if the daemon still has it open via it's file descriptors
11:16<stevecotton>in which case it would probably exist as /etc/.nfs<numbers>
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11:18<stevecotton>how much will it have changed from April?
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11:22<lufka8>hi
11:22<lufka8>I have 3 interfaces eth0 eth1 ath0
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11:23<lufka8>and I want to share my internet wireless ath0
11:24<lufka8>and I need bredge between interfaces
11:24<lufka8>*bridge
11:24<lufka8>anyone can hel me?
11:25<lufka8>*help
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11:29<qq_>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
11:29<qq_>said what ?
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11:30<mordy>gah, X's synaptic driver won'tr work with my touchpad - "no synaptics touchpad detected"
11:30<jerry>hello room
11:32<mordy>hello jerry
11:32<cahoot>!room
11:32<dpkg>CHANNEL!
11:32<jerry> need help in a prog call aircrack-ng can someone help me with it help
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11:33<mordy>want to crack someone's wep?\
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11:34<jerry>try to lean this linux
11:34<nAn>test
11:34<mordy>hehe, aircrack-ng isn't the best way to do it
11:35<jerry>best way to start is having fun
11:35<mordy>but there are step-by-step tutorials if you just want to use aircrack-ng
11:35<mordy>(besides, you can use it on windows)
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11:36<jerry>Im useing kubuntu
11:36<cahoot>so join #ubuntu or such
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11:36<mordy>or #aircrack-ng
11:37<mordy>(i think that exists)
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11:37<cahoot>so join #ubuntu or such (on freenode)
11:38<jerry>I read aircrack-ng.org but still have no id how o use it
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11:39<cahoot>jerry: you really need to learn to read and learn from instructions to become a successful hacker
11:39<jerry>yes i know that
11:39<cahoot>so join #ubuntu or such (on freenode) jerry - this is #debian
11:39<jerry> to fig it out
11:40<jerry>is it that simple that i can see it
11:41<mordy>!#debian
11:41<dpkg>it has been said that #debian is home sweet home! :)
11:41<mordy>gah
11:41<mordy>!ubuntu
11:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:41<jerry>i thing its more but not'
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11:44<costa>hello all
11:44<jerry>I used debian before kubuntu is nicer
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11:45<jerry>windows suck
11:45<mordy>so do doors and fire escapes
11:46<jerry>more fun with linux'\
11:46<mordy>!windows
11:46<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
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11:47<jerry>hey i fix air condition
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11:47<dpalacio>!debian
11:47<dpkg>it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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11:48<jerry>no help on that porg
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11:49<mordy>!aircrack-ng
11:49<dpkg>aircrack-ng is, like, a suite of wireless WPA/WEP cracking utilities, forked from aircrack. #aircrack-ng on irc.freenode.net. http://www.aircrack-ng.org
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11:49<jerry>DID u run air crack
11:51<mordy>jerry, this is not the place for discussion of aircrack-ng - you would probably get more help on #aircrack-ng on freenode
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11:52<jerry>ok thank for all the help\
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11:59<jerry>mordy are u run Debian
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12:00<jerry>try kubuntu
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12:04<Zathraz>Hi. I am looking for csv2html. Is it in any package? I know there is a bot command for it but cannot remember it. Sorry
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12:07<Zathraz>needed it for bonnie. However bonnie provides for a variant of it. ty
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12:15<DarkBar>Is it possible to sellect session mames from screen hardstatusba with my mouse? http://www.ozarowski.pl/img/komp//ekg2_01.gif
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12:15<bcochofel>What does the resume parameter do for initramfs?
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12:22<mordy>is anyone else having problems with freenode today?
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12:30<Golfgeo>Anyone got a Promise Fasttrack tx2000 or allike raid controller working with Raid 1?
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12:31<mordy>how do i check which synaptics driver X is using?
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12:32<Golfgeo>no idea mordy
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12:41<magyar_>hi, how does one synchronize /etc/passwd user list across multiple debian servers?
12:42<weasel>NIS (if you live in the 80s) or ldap or something like that
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12:42<magyar_>weasel, looking for the easier of two
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12:44<RabidWeezle>I think I broke my apt get, it kinda just seg faults now, basically what happend was my wireless switched to some other network on me whilst I was installing something... and it also was in the middle of installing synaptic and probally a new apt-get...
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12:46<RabidWeezle>dsl@box:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
12:46<RabidWeezle>Reading Package Lists... Done
12:46<RabidWeezle>Segmentation faulty Tree... 0%
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13:08<pelmon>is there a gui utility that will allow me to view the contents of an iso in a way similar to using ark on a zipped archive? i'm thinking somewhere along the lines of magiciso/poweriso/etc for Windows.
13:08<isluva>miuy
13:08<isluva>lknhojytu
13:08<isluva>ogh
13:08<isluva>h
13:08<isluva>h
13:08-!-isluva was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
13:08<jucape>eres tonto
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13:10<jucape>cabronnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
13:10<jucape>tontooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
13:10<isluva>cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
13:11<mordy>!ops 83.230.234.38 is flooding
13:11<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: mordy complains about: 83.230.234.38 is flooding
13:11<jucape>vengallaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
13:11<isluva>jilipollas
13:11<jucape>eres tonto
13:11<fxiny>pelmon: mc
13:11<pelmon>eh?
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13:12<mordy>gah, and i thought that !ops thing helped
13:12<isluva>jilipollas
13:12<jucape>agarrame la polla cabronoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
13:12<mordy>!gah
13:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gah is one of the top favourite words
13:13<mordy>lol
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13:13<jucape>ettttttttttttyiiiieydgfose567ytolresryo7tlsdt8oygrñwsti
13:13<isluva>jilipollas tumadre
13:13<mordy>!ops jucape/isluva/whatever is flooding
13:13<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: mordy complains about: jucape/isluva/whatever is flooding
13:14<mordy>(doesn't this thing work at all?
13:14-!-mode/#debian [+qis jucape!*@*] by tjfontaine
13:14-!-mode/#debian [-is] by tjfontaine
13:14-!-mode/#debian [+q isluva!*@*] by tjfontaine
13:14<dantanna>jucape: & isluva: try #debian-es
13:15<mordy>dantanna, i don't think many of those posts were spanish :p
13:15<tjfontaine>the last by isluva was close
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13:15<Locke>moin
13:15<dantanna>Could be portugese I guess...
13:16<Hideo>tjfontaine: he said something about "tumadre" which is equiv to your mama
13:16<mordy>lol
13:16<tjfontaine>Hideo: hence why I said close
13:16<Hideo>aha ok
13:16<fxiny>pelmon: mc is midnight commander
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13:16<dantanna>tonto is crazy
13:16<tjfontaine>Hideo: though I know of no verbs that start with j in spanish
13:16<mordy>could be slang
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13:16<tjfontaine>indeed
13:17<Hideo>me neither, only took spanish for 1 semester
13:17<pelmon>fxiny: yeah. i got it installed. do you use the kmenu? i cant seem to find it
13:17<mordy>certainly most of the posts weren't very intelligible
13:17<fxiny>could be crack :P
13:17<mordy>lol fixiny
13:17<Hideo>most likely
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13:17<dantanna>I tink it is some very excited slang...
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13:17<tjfontaine>nice of them to use the same host though
13:18<Hideo>could be ubuntu users ;)
13:18-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@83.230.234.38] by tjfontaine
13:18<mordy>yeah, it's why my first complaint was on an IP
13:18<costa>hey there
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13:18<fxiny>pelmon: no kde avaiable here , only fluxbox or wmii . run mc on a konsole
13:18<costa>i had a quick question, if someone could be so kind
13:19<costa> installed ffmpeg on 40r3 recently
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13:19<pelmon>yeah. i am
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13:19<pelmon>reminds me of DOS5.1
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13:19<costa>and im having a problem converting some .mkv's to .avi. im getting codec errors
13:19<fxiny>pelmon: so just press enter on a iso
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13:20<rubenca>ola
13:20<rubenca>hi
13:20<costa>hey rubenca
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13:20<Hideo>tjfontaine: new ip
13:20<Simon_42>pelmon: you just can mount the iso and look at it in your shiny konqueror...
13:20<tjfontaine>indeed
13:21<mordy>anyone using an alps touchpad? it isn't being detected as alps, synaptic or anything like that - but a regular mouse. i've found a thread here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78904 - but it's from 2005. could it still be relevant on lenny?
13:21-!-isluva [~isluva@83.230.234.38] has joined #debian
13:21<mordy>speaks about an old driver, but maybe some other stuff as well
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13:22<fxiny>ubu ? no way : debian is on the news for the freeze
13:22<fxiny>at least in my morning news
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13:23<mordy>freeze?
13:23<Hideo>lenny freezes
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13:23<mordy>hehe, that's one thing i have yet to experience with linux
13:23<Hideo>mordy: no, testing -> stable freeze
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13:24<fxiny>costa: does ffmpeg -i file.mkv file.avi works ?
13:24<mordy>oh, freeze in development
13:24<mordy>or in status change
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13:25<Hideo>^new ip
13:26<tjfontaine>I see
13:26<tjfontaine>the other two are iberbanda.es
13:26<Hideo>whoever it is has so much time
13:26<fxiny>here it is : nerdyh :=)) >> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/07/25/0027242.shtml
13:26<tjfontaine>this is a .edu
13:26<Hideo>oh, nvm then
13:26<tjfontaine>inetnum: 83.212.224.0 - 83.212.231.255
13:26<tjfontaine>netname: PANTEION
13:26<tjfontaine>descr: Panteion University of Political & Social Sciences
13:27<Hideo>it probably isn't them
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13:29<mordy>hehe
13:29<fxiny>so we'll have something to be happy for : debconf and all the lenny-freezing news for us users ;)
13:29<fxiny>summer of love !
13:29<Hideo>fxiny: I'm a sid user you insensitive clod!
13:30<fxiny>Hideo: i am stable as a tree :)
13:30<Hideo>I finally found a difference between us then :P, we both use fluxbox, irssi, screen, etc...
13:31<Hideo>vim
13:31<fxiny>yes we both
13:31<mordy>hehe, i got this touchpad to work! woohoo!
13:31<fxiny>vim ? hold on : most of the time emacs :P
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13:32<Hideo>:P
13:32<qq_>mc
13:32<fxiny>or jed/mg
13:32<fxiny>yes : i use mc
13:32<Hideo>!vim
13:32<dpkg>from memory, vim is the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from http://www.vim.org or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the <emacs> factoid, or see <vim syntax highlighting>
13:32<Hideo>!start editor war
13:33<Hideo>or not
13:33<mordy>!editor war
13:33<dpkg>i heard editor war is when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice
13:33<Hideo>haha
13:33<qq_>
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13:34<mordy>hey qq_
13:34<fxiny>we could easily crash any k-ate-something user :P
13:35<Hideo>=P
13:35<fxiny>there are only two editors : vim and emacs , as a emacs user i like vim for editing small conf files :P
13:35<fxiny>small ...
13:36<tjfontaine>I thought the point was not to have this conversation
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13:36<Hideo>lol
13:36<fxiny>Hideo: :=))
13:38<fxiny>i'm sure the rel-man announced it with a "ascii cow" , can't fine the url
13:38<fxiny>but i've seen it
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13:38<fxiny>super cow powers ;)
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13:41<qq_>gzip: stdin: error 4294967289
13:41<fxiny>http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html
13:41<fxiny>mooooooooooooooooo
13:42<qq_> cat /etc/shadow ... /etc/shadow: error 4294967293 fclose: error 0
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13:43<qq_>----------------------
13:43<qq_> \ ^__^
13:43<qq_> \ (oo)\_______
13:43<qq_> (__)\ )\/\
13:43<qq_>||----w
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13:44<Hideo>wb :P
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13:45*fxiny sings : "september WIR , we danced until the night became a brand new day"
13:45<qq_>what would say for you last errors ?
13:45<NetOlekma>:) russin ???
13:47<qq_>!ru
13:47<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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13:48<NetOlekma>dpkg -> Thanks
13:48<dpkg>NetOlekma: I don't know, could you explain it?
13:49<qq_>NetOlekma: privet , dpkg net chelovek , on robot
13:49<Hideo>woo hoo, didn't know DWN is back
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13:50<fxiny>who ?
13:50<Hideo>Debian Weekly News
13:50<Hideo>or rather Debian Project News nowadays
13:50<fxiny>is it ?
13:50<fxiny>good news
13:50<Hideo>http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/
13:50<ooter>hey wow, they gave the cow utters
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13:51<fxiny>yes . that was my primary source for new packages
13:51-!-jaevans3 [~jaevans3@hippo.csl-tech.uiuc.edu] has joined #debian
13:51<fxiny>the holy cow magically resuscitate it :P
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13:52<NetOlekma>debian The most good linux
13:52<Hideo>NetOlekma: most good -> best
13:52<Hideo>:)
13:52<fxiny>which is not enouf :P
13:53<jaevans3>anybody know how to disable commands available through ssh?
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13:54*fxiny wonders if he gets the weird summoning
13:56<enouf>hey! no porbs!
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13:56<fxiny>hahahah
13:56<enouf>all is well fxiny
13:56<enouf>fxiny: nice to see you haven't hung yourself yet with that 2000 meters of rope O_O
13:57<fxiny>enouf: i'm recovering from a tree ayttack :)
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13:57<NetOlekma>Hideo -> yes
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13:57<enouf>ahh .. it was the "Tree" .. in the conservatory .. with the Candlestick :-P
13:57<NetOlekma>Hideo -> debian best
13:57<fxiny>enouf: 2000 ? just 60 metres
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13:58<enouf>fxiny: a little hyperbole never hurst :-)
13:58<enouf>hurts
13:58<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
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13:59<fxiny>enouf: i hit my left knee rolling to the escape route while the tree second third was falling down
13:59<fxiny>i've dwarfed it :P
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14:00<enouf>fxiny: chop chop? ;-)
14:00<fxiny>enouf: saw saw texas style :P
14:00<fxiny>enouf: :)
14:01<enouf>fxiny: you have a nice Christmas Tree now ;-)
14:01<enouf>too
14:01<fxiny>enouf: i call it gimly :P
14:01<fxiny>is one third of a tree
14:01<enouf>think you can keep it alive for 5 months? :-) .. oh crap fxiny --> go ## -ot
14:02<fxiny>enouf: i am ot !
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14:09<costa>fxiny:
14:09<costa>sorry for the delay
14:09<costa>11:02 < fxiny> costa: does ffmpeg -i file.mkv file.avi works ?
14:09<costa>no it does not
14:09<costa>it returns a codec paramter error
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14:21<philsf>what version will lenny be? 4.1 or 5.0?
14:21<fxiny>5
14:21<fxiny>good omen
14:22<fxiny>enouf: yes !
14:22<fxiny>ops
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14:24<ooter>it seems like just yesterday etch was in the freeze
14:24<ooter>ahh, memories
14:24<Nemoder>what name comes after lenny?
14:25<fxiny>i push for scud
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14:25<fxiny>the ugly dog :P
14:25<enouf>isn't that a Hussein Missile ? O__o
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14:26<enouf>saddam was launching dogs on kuwait and israel? :-P
14:26<mordy>enouf, it is!
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14:26<mordy>!israel
14:26<dpkg>it has been said that israel is a quiet little heaven, not unlike Hawaii, or a very dangerous place right now!
14:27<fxiny>nahhh is sid dog
14:27<mordy>i'
14:27<fxiny>the ugliest ever
14:27<mordy>m confused as to which acpi daemons to install and the like
14:28<mordy>from wht i've gathered, some packages don't go with others, and if you select one another gets deselected. but i odn't know what i should get
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14:28*fxiny prepares toy story I and II for the release party
14:29<fxiny>btw . relaxing movies
14:29<mordy>do i want cpufreqd? powernowd? powesaved?
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14:31<mordy>hehe, i'm tempted to ask about this in the other room, but i feel some kind of Holy Spirit preventing me from doing so
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14:31<fxiny>holy ? must be a stray cow :P
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14:32<Graveworm>Hi all :)! I just tried to install opsi (anyone knows?). But the installation failed so I tried to delete it again. But even purging failed so I have a brocken installation in my aptitude. How can I get rid of this entry?
14:32<fxiny>opsi ?
14:33<fxiny>i see
14:33<fxiny>no idea
14:33<fxiny>is is not apt-gettable on stable is not my friend
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14:33<Graveworm>fxiny: It is a server for automated updates of Windows clients.
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14:34<fxiny>Graveworm: i know you dig in the dirt !
14:34<fxiny>Graveworm: :)
14:34<Graveworm>Hehe :)
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14:42<kingsley>Should I be concerned that /var/log/messages says a PCI card with serial ports is using the same IRQ as "cat /proc/interrupts" says is being used by "ahci"?
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14:45<Graveworm>Hmm...ok. Solved by myself ;). I just edited the postrm script so that the failing parts where skipped.
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14:52<pelmon>can anyone recommend a av program for linux?
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14:55<fxiny>pelmon: clamav : deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free
14:55<Txt_file2>pelmon: Brain 2.0
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14:56<pelmon>yeah. clamav doesn't seem to like me. the gui gets a THUMBS DOWN.
14:56<valdyn>pelmon: for or that runs on linux?
14:56<fxiny>pelmon: just main , no contrib non-free
14:57<fxiny>gui ?
14:58<tjfontaine>oh, anti virus, not audio visual :)
14:58<pelmon>...
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14:58<pelmon>ok. i think i just scanned a file...
14:58<pelmon>says the engine is out of date though
14:58<valdyn>clamav may run on linux, but its not for linux viruses...
14:58<fxiny>yes : grab it from volatile
14:59<pelmon>volatile?
14:59<Golfgeo>Just failed to get RAID going and am wondering what hardware raid card is cheap and has standerd Debian kernel support?
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14:59<valdyn>Golfgeo: hardware raid is not cheap
14:59<pelmon>btw, i will be scanning for LINUX VIRUSES
14:59<fxiny>usually volatile ppl update it in a couple of days or so
14:59<valdyn>pelmon: theres no scanner for that
14:59<fxiny>linux viruz ?
14:59<fxiny>wt4x !
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14:59<pelmon>... :(
14:59<Golfgeo>valdyn: Only looking for 2 port SATA or PATA PCI card
14:59<pelmon>right
14:59<valdyn>Golfgeo: so?
14:59<pelmon>what about linux rootkits
15:00<valdyn>pelmon: chkrootkit
15:00<fxiny>play play ...
15:00<Golfgeo>valdyn: Not in for a RAID 5 card, so they should be cheaper
15:00<valdyn>Golfgeo: cheaper than what?
15:00<philsf>pelmon: you've been reading the wrong propaganda
15:00<valdyn>Golfgeo: hardware raid is not cheap, period
15:01<fxiny>yesterday i fond something wrong with my etch : it was time !
15:01<pelmon>philsf: what do you mean?
15:01<valdyn>Golfgeo: hardware raid for just 2 disks is probably a waste of money in any case
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15:01<fxiny>fsck at boot , then alsamixer f*
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15:01<Golfgeo>valdyn: I know, but what is the cheapest and working Debian solution for a PCI Hardware RAID card?
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15:01<Golfgeo>Basicly: I
15:02<Golfgeo>Basicly: I'm looking for a solution and not a comment.
15:02<philsf>pelmon: there is no real threat in "linux viruses" - all of the documented ones are mostly harmless or only proof-of-concept
15:02<fxiny>i was so happy something went wroing in years you cannot image
15:02<valdyn>Golfgeo: do you have a free pci-x or a free pcie slot?
15:02<pelmon>then i am thinking about rootkits.
15:02<philsf>pelmon: antivirus for linux are meant to search for windows virus
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15:02<Golfgeo>valdyn: Only a normal PCI slot
15:02<philsf>pelmon: then, chkrootkit, and rkhunter
15:02<valdyn>Golfgeo: then forget about hardware raid
15:03<valdyn>Golfgeo: no one in his right mind would do this
15:03<valdyn>Golfgeo: ( or sell a pci hardware raid card )
15:03<Golfgeo>valdyn: After two hardrive failures and months of work on the disks...
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15:03<valdyn>Golfgeo: you can try ebay for old stuff, but even then i doubt theres pci hardware raid cards
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15:03<fxiny>chkrootkit is so boring : no more false positives ;)
15:03<Golfgeo>valdyn: I would be just glad to have a RAID 1 array so I won't lose any data.
15:04<Golfgeo>valdyn: So basicly: you don't know...
15:04<philsf>fxiny: you can always downgrade
15:04<valdyn>Golfgeo: i know that such a card is not available
15:04<Golfgeo>Never mind
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15:05<philsf>I still get annoying messages that my postfix in port 465 is infecte :/
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15:05<fxiny>philsf: i stick to samhain tripwire and ftimes
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15:06<valdyn>3ware 8006-2LP SATA 2 HDD KIT
15:06<valdyn>but seriously
15:06<valdyn>why would anyone use that
15:06<philsf>fxiny: I'm happy with tw, chkrootkit, rkhunter and tiger
15:06<fxiny>philsf: something strange ? i'm not that paranoid , i just rush for backups ;)
15:06<fxiny>philsf: tiger ?
15:07<fxiny>not using it since woody
15:07<philsf>valdyn: uhm, look again... he's quit
15:07<philsf>fxiny: why not?
15:07<valdyn>philsf: ok, i got QUITS on ignore
15:07<fxiny>philsf: beacause it chews my old box hd
15:08<philsf>valdyn: I should too
15:08<fxiny>philsf: samhain is light . checks and email quiclky
15:08<philsf>fxiny: oh, come on. what's your old box?
15:08<fxiny>philsf: PII 400 deshutes uber alles
15:08<philsf>:)
15:09<philsf>isn't samhain the same purpose of tripwire?
15:09<fxiny>philsf: me , qq and enouf are the deshutes bros :)
15:09<philsf>and less general than tiger?
15:09<pelmon>i got a msg from rkhunter
15:09<pelmon>Please inspect: /dev/.static (directory) /dev/.udev (directory) /dev/.initram fs (directory)
15:09<fxiny>hahahah
15:09<fxiny>we know it
15:09<pelmon>:(
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15:10<fxiny>philsf: yes , samhain and tripwire are ids
15:10<philsf>fxiny: why do you use two ids?
15:10<fxiny>tripwire's too heavy , i let cron running it once a day
15:10<philsf>oh, ok
15:10<fxiny>philsf: i use three
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15:11<valdyn>pelmon: you dont need this
15:11<philsf>well, I'm not cpu bottlenecked, so tiger is fine
15:11<fxiny>philsf: ftimes is absolutely my preferred , not debianized
15:12<fxiny>philsf: what about sxid ?
15:12<philsf>never heard
15:12<pelmon>valdyn: need what?
15:12<valdyn>pelmon: antivirus stuff
15:12<pelmon>no. that was from rkhunter
15:13<valdyn>pelmon: same applies to rkhunter
15:13<pelmon>why?
15:13<philsf>pelmon: these are known false positives
15:13<pelmon>oh.
15:13<valdyn>pelmon: because the threat level on unix boxes doesnt compare to windows boxes
15:13<pelmon>i know
15:13<pelmon>i only use windows for games
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15:14<fxiny>so use clamav
15:14<philsf>pelmon: check /etc/rkhunter.conf and comment these out (methinks these should come uncommented already)
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15:14<valdyn>pelmon: and once you are rooted, the intruder might aswell have modified the only 2 popular tools
15:14<fxiny>heheeh
15:15<valdyn>pelmon: but you dont just get rooted, unless you run a typically insecure php website
15:15<philsf>or unprotected nfs/portmap
15:15<philsf>or vulnerable ssh
15:15<philsf>or...
15:15<fxiny>or you fancy to run some old redhatta 6* :P
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15:16<philsf>pelmon: what valdyn is saying is that these tools won't do you good, unless you know how to use them, and their limitations
15:17<philsf>you have to protect them, store their databases in ROM media, etc
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15:17<fxiny>or pgp 'em
15:17<pelmon>so what's the best way to protect myself on the net?
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15:17<philsf>and obviously reduce your attack surface
15:17<fxiny>backups
15:18<valdyn>pelmon: know which services you are exposing
15:18<philsf>definitely
15:18<fxiny>and wine
15:18<valdyn>pelmon: and expose only as many as you have to
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15:18<valdyn>pelmon: and against silly configuration mistakes you can use iptables / or a higher level tool setting up iptables
15:19<pelmon>none, really.
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15:19<philsf>pelmon: is this a server, that runs 24/7, or a desktop, with no services?
15:19<pelmon>desktop.
15:19<pelmon>no public services
15:19<valdyn>pelmon: know or learn how to read the output of "netstat -plunt"
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15:19<fxiny>ohh btw , first thing i'll do in lenny will be shorewall PERL
15:19<valdyn>fxiny: why?
15:20<fxiny>valdyn: because i love both
15:20<valdyn>fxiny: heh
15:20<valdyn>fxiny: i think rule compilation / startup time is faster
15:20<philsf>pelmon: if you have no exposed services/open ports, you shouldn't be really scared.
15:20<valdyn>fxiny: but subjectively not by very much
15:20<fxiny>valdyn: you already tested it ?
15:20<valdyn>fxiny: cant say tested, but im using it
15:20<philsf>pelmon: you should be scared when you download scripts/apps/programs, and install stuff from unofficial repos
15:21<fxiny>valdyn: that kind of test :)
15:21<valdyn>fxiny: well, my traffic shaping rules work prefectly fine
15:21<valdyn>fxiny: and the few things else i do
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15:22<valdyn>pelmon: pretty sure you have public services, hence i said to learn "netstat -plunt"
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15:24<fxiny>valdyn: i use a couple of scripts with shorewall : sshblackv27 and SnortShorewall
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15:27<fxiny>plus some home made swatch 3.0.4-1 version >> PERLCODE=$regex='^\[\*\*\]';
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15:27<fxiny>shorewall always been easy to work with
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15:46<philsf>are some brave people using lenny here for production yet?
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15:50<RabidWeezle>what's the name of the gtk archiving app?
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15:50<Txt-file>philsf: I use sid for my standaed desktop
15:50<RabidWeezle>ot zips and 7z's and all that?
15:50<avu>RabidWeezle, file-roller?
15:51<RabidWeezle>thanks
15:51<RabidWeezle>kinda forgot that
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15:51<avu>if by gtk you mean gnome
15:51<RabidWeezle>correct
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15:52<philsf>Txt-file: thanks, but I forgot to add for non-gui use, ssh-only, and common servers (apache and postfix)
15:53<philsf>the box I'm intending to upgrade to lenny is used for bio-informatics processing, and is used only remotely via ssh by users
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15:55<philsf>I the whole picture is I'm changing the hardware - the old box is in use, with sarge, and the new box is almost ready (with etch). Since lenny is freezing by now, it might be reasonable to deploy it already, instead of etch, and take use of the newest possible apps versions. comments?
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15:58<Nemoder>I just finished upgrading a sarge box to etch
15:58<Nemoder>no problems so far
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15:58*fxiny sings : "september WIR , we danced until the night became a brand new day"
15:58<fxiny>WIR coming !
15:58<dxd>RabidWeezle, xarchiver perhaps.
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16:02<Cheatah>hmm, in debian it's normal that /usr/local has permissions 2775
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16:02<Cheatah>but isn't it required to run ldconfig when a staff member installs software in /usr/local/lib?
16:04<philsf>fxiny: wir?
16:04<fxiny>!wir
16:04<dpkg>well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
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16:05<fxiny>philsf: is the official debian release month :)
16:05<philsf>lol
16:05<dxd>philsf, your bioinformatics module[s] has dependancies of any kind that may not be availible in lenny?
16:06<philsf>dxd: not checked all of them, but there's a package (arb) in sid that's not in lenny yet
16:06<philsf>one I was asked to install
16:07*qq_ leastenning fxiny >> http://64.62.194.11:8030
16:07<philsf>about dependencies, not that I'm aware of
16:07<motyl>list
16:07*fxiny fires xmms2 up
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16:08<philsf>dxd: does it mean it's safe enough for my use case?
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16:09<dxd>philsf, I imagine so. did you build the sarge box yourself? or did you 'adopt' it ;)
16:09<philsf>I did build it
16:10*fxiny is sax and phoning
16:10*qq_ hehe
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16:11<dxd>ah.. I imagine any libs or packages you may need if not availible is lenny could be built from other sources.. usually the case with something custom
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16:11<dxd>is lenny/in lenny
16:12<philsf>dxd: thanks for the insights. I generally trust DDs for stability, even when they don't recommend it officially :) Just liked to check for other's experiences
16:12<dxd>philsf, building this around new hardware or planning on upgrading the existing box?
16:13<philsf>dxd: best scenario: new hardware
16:13<dxd>yes :)
16:14<philsf>I'm finishing installing/configuring the bio-info apps, I'd like to deply this weekend. I could upgrade in a hurry and hope for the best i nthe meantime ;)
16:15<Nemoder>upgrade process is pretty painless but if you can't afford to have downtime then probably not worth the risk without testing it elsewhere first
16:15<dxd>heh .. would users be upset with downtime, or do you have flexibility? :)
16:16<dxd>downtime == frowntime
16:16<philsf>I have flexibility (heck, I'm still using sarge!) :)
16:16<philsf>that said, everyong is upset with downtime
16:16<philsf>everyone
16:17<philsf>especially since my uptime is good there
16:17<philsf>what about Zope? anyone here using zope 2.10 to give insights on lenny's stability (against etch-backports)?
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16:25<philsf>is there a way to keep packages from Suggests installed as automatically pulled, like the ones from Recommends and Depends?
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16:28<Nemoder>I just use a front-end like dselect or aptitude to tag anything suggested
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16:31<drbafle>siiiiiii ya tengo tdt en linux
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16:36<SaintStewart>Hellow fellow Linux users!
16:37<SaintStewart>How goes life today?
16:37<SaintStewart>Well ok then.
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16:51<SaintStewart>Well. All is silent in here.
16:51<SaintStewart>Must be the stability. :P
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16:53*enouf farts
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17:00<eddieB>i need some help running IceWeasel. whenever i open it. it closes immediately. can anyone help me out?
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17:01<bahamat>Is there a simple way to debianize a directory that isn't just alien?
17:01<bahamat>eddieB: run it from command line and see if there are any errors
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17:03<supaman>eddieB: try it also by issuing iceweasel -safe-mode and see if that works, if so then it is one of your extensions that are causing your exit
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17:04<eddieB>Cairo does not yes support the requested image formate. that's what it tells me.
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17:04<supaman>eddieB: what homepages does the browser try to open?
17:05<eddieB>supaman: not sure. it's never stayed open more than a split second
17:05<supaman>eddieB: did you try the safe-mode ?
17:06<eddieB>supaman: how do i do that? sorry. i'm still kind of new to linux.
17:06<supaman>eddieB: ok ... do you know how to open an xterm?
17:07<eddieB>yes
17:07<supaman>eddieB: ok, in the xterm just type iceweasel -safe-mode and press enter
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17:09<eddieB>supaman: the same thing happens
17:09<eddieB>supaman: it closes immediately
17:10<supaman>eddieB: ok ... try then typing iceweasel www.google.com (should load the google homepage instead of the page it is currently trying to load, could be that the page contains some image that causes the browser to crash)
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17:11<eddieB>supaman: i get an error containing firefox-bin. someone once told me i have to delete firefox. but we couldn't figure out how to do it
17:11<SaintStewart>Anyone in here start out using Ubuntu for Linux then migrate to Debian after a while?
17:11<erKURITA>did you recently install Firefox manually?
17:12<eddieB>erKURITA: yes
17:12<erKURITA>that may be why
17:12<eddieB>erKURITA: do you know a way to delete it?
17:12<erKURITA>delete the firefox you installed. the file /usr/bin/iceweasel is a symlink to an executable
17:13<supaman>eddieB: type file /usr/bin/iceweasel and tell us what it says (should be /usr/bin/iceweasel: symbolic link to `../lib/iceweasel/iceweasel')
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17:14<eddieB>supaman: yes. that's what i got
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17:15<supaman>hmmm .. could it be libraries from the manual install that are getting in the way?
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17:18<supaman>eddieB: Im out of ideas ... sorry
17:18<koopa>hey guys, i was tryin to run a program with wine and got this error, can some one give it a look and tell me what im doin wrong? http://paste.ubuntu.com/30397/
17:18<eddieB>supaman: np, thanks for trying
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17:20<Nemoder>koopa: try #winehq on irc.freenode.net
17:20<koopa>hey thanls
17:20<koopa>thanks
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17:25<shilow>i just had my video card go bad on me and i cant find what my onboard video is other then via and i was curious how to make debian probe and setup my video when i tried what i read on a net howtoo it scrambled my screen and i had to remove gdm just to be able to see my console properly
17:27<Nemoder>shilow: try sudo hwinfo --vbe
17:27<shilow>i used Xorg -configure
17:27<qq_>eddieB: what say ? >>>> apt-cache policy iceweasel |grep I <<<
17:27<shilow>right now i'm running on my old card i'll need to reboot be back in a sec the old one works but video dumps my machine fan completely stopped
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17:27<Nemoder>shilow: or hwinfo --gfxcard
17:28<xauth>lspci | fgrep 01:00.0 perhaps?
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17:28<Nemoder>shilow: you should be able to switch to text mode login with crtl-alt-f2
17:29<eddieB>qq_: Installed: 2.0.0.15-0etch1
17:30<qq_>ok , thx
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17:30<qq_>have you tryed bts ?
17:31<qq_>!bts
17:31<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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17:32<erKURITA>What's with RedIRIS being broken again? It's the second time in less than 6 months
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17:33<eddieB>i need some help running IceWeasel. whenever i open it. it closes immediately. can anyone help me out?
17:34<shilow>ok, i'm back i have the onboard one enabled and it's telling me its a S3 unichrome pro, but well last time i used anything to setup X it was xf86config and that dont quite work whats the new command to configure xorg?
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17:34<qq_>eddieB: [23:30:56] <qq_> have you tryed bts ?
17:34<eddieB>qq_: no, what's that?
17:35<qq_>read above
17:35<eddieB>qq_: will try now
17:36<abrotman>try moving your ~/.mozilla/
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17:38<eddieB>abrotman: how do i do that?
17:38<shilow>does anyone know where Xorg stores it's drivers
17:39<abrotman>eddieB: mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.old
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17:39<dxd>eddieB, did iceweasel ever work as expected? if yes what has happend since then - i.e upgrade, update or somesuch
17:40<eddieB>dxd: no. it has never worked.
17:40<qq_>shilow: ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/
17:40<eddieB>abrotman: tried that but still nothing.
17:40<shilow>thx
17:40<qq_>np
17:40<dxd>eddieb new install?
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17:41<shilow>yay it worked found a via driver that supports hi res
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17:41<eddieB>dxd: installed 2 weeks ago
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17:42<dxd>eddieB, iceweasel depends on libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4)
17:42<dxd>that may be the error you posted ealier
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17:43<eddieB>dxd: Cairo does not support the requested image format
17:43<eddieB>dxd: that's what i get when i type iceweasel
17:44<FoxM>Hi. Do you know how can I configure eclipse to find my tomcat 5.5 server?
17:44<dxd>eddieB, unfortunatly that the only connection I can see based on the info supplied.. I do not have personal experiance with this particular problem with iceweasel
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17:45<eddieB>dxd: is there a way to fully remove firefox. i think that's what's preventing iceweasel from running properly
17:45<pelmon>back
17:46<pelmon>so
17:47<eddieB>dxd: i've installed epiphany. i want to give that a try but i cannot figure out how to run it. i tried typing epiphany but i get command not found
17:48<eddieB>dxd: do you know how?
17:48<pelmon>you encrypt a file and you get your ace file, right? now you have two files. the ace file and the unencrypted file. you get rid of the original file and only have the .ace file. now when you want to view the file you have to decrypt it. does that create a copy of the file that is not encrypted? is there a way to do an "In-Place" decryption so that an unencrypted copy is never created, but access is granted to view the file in unencrypted format?
17:49<pelmon>eddieB: you could search for all references to firefox and remove them manually
17:49<pelmon>aptitude remove firefox should get the job done, though.
17:49<erKURITA>only if it has been installed via dpkg
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17:50<pelmon>well, eddieB? how did you install it?
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17:50<eddieB>pelmon: apt-get epiphany
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17:51<eddieB>apt-get install epiphany
17:51<pelmon>right
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17:52<erKURITA>eddieB try epiphany-browser
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17:53<eddieB>erKURITA: command not found
17:53<qq_>apt-cache policy epiphany-browser
17:53<erKURITA>whereis epiphany
17:54<eddieB>qq_: installed: (none)
17:54<FoxM>Hi. Do you know how can I configure eclipse to find my tomcat 5.5 server?
17:55<qq_>eddieB: than not installed
17:55<eddieB>qq_: i logged into root to install it because i got permission denied under user. is that why?
17:56<qq_>normal
17:56<qq_>is your system protection
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17:58<eddieB>qq_: ?
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18:16<caffn>Strange.. Almost my whole connection seems be broken, yet my IRC connection remains intact..
18:17<tmg1|hardy>caffn: weird
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18:18<caffn>Yeah.. Can't access websites, can hardly access the modem/routers homepage, but i still can talk on irc..
18:18<felipe>knkl
18:18<caffn>The internet works in strange ways.. :P
18:18<felipe>hi
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18:19<felipe>its or name
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18:19<dxd>caffn, your connections broke recently?
18:19<kiff>hi to all
18:19<caffn>It's been acting slow for weeks now, but just today web stopped working properly
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18:20<caffn>But only on the wired network, wireless does not seem to be affected
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18:21<dxd>caffn, wired network is one computer connected to modem/router?
18:21<dxd>or more then one
18:21<qq_>ask your IPS ?
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18:23<caffn>ISP doesnt support the modem anymore. It's 6 pc's on wired, 2 on wireless
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18:23<dxd>aha . and all pcs act wierd..
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18:24<caffn>Correct
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18:27<dxd>Ill make a wild speculation. Your modem/router has s single ethernet device connected to a hub or switch, and that ethernet device is getting flakey. Never discount the possibility of hardware failure ;)
18:28<pelmon>is there anything more secure than pgp?
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18:30<tmg1|hardy>what kind of security?
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18:31<caffn>Correct. I've connected one of the (4) 100mbit ports on the modem to a gbit switch. I think they dont communicate right with each other. Tomorrow i'll try and replace the gbit switch with another one, or place a 100 mbit switch in between. Might aswel check connectivity of my computer directly on the modem :)
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18:32<pelmon>tmg1|hardy: the not easy to crack kind
18:32<caffn>Would wanna do it right now, but the other people in the home are asleep, don't think they like it to get woken up right now ;D
18:33<dxd>heh sounds like a challenge ;)
18:34<caffn>Yeah.. Replace all kind of stuff without waking them up.. :p
18:34<caffn>Still strange that everything is broken, except for my IRC
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18:35<dxd>do ssh connections break?
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18:36<caffn>I dont have any outgoing ssh connections, but incoming didnt work (at least not from my workplace)
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18:44<caffn>Aha! It must be local network.. 20% packetloss on ping to the router
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18:47<rfcompte>hi, I was wondering if there is a way of fixing this: I removed the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage in order to remove some programs that i never use
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18:48<rfcompte>but now I can't do apt-get autoremove because it wants to erase almost all of my programs
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18:49<rfcompte>I was wondering if there is a way of just reseting this, any ideas?
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18:50<cap>alguem poderia me ajudar a usar o jabber?
18:50<qq_>!es
18:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:50<dxd>!br
18:50<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:51<cap>ok
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18:51<think>I had a question about Linux hardware. I bought a used ibm thinkcentre, and its pentium D, and when I do lshw program, it shows that cpu as 64bits "width" and the motherboard "32" bits, so my question is, should I install 64bit kernel? Or do I have a 32bit machine?
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18:53<qq_> motherboard "32" bits ? never seen
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18:53<think>qq_, well, not sure what it means, but thats what it says
18:53<dxd>32 bit bus with a 64bit cpu
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18:54<think>oooh, it doesn't say motherboard, it just says computer
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18:54<dxd>I think 64bit kernel is what you need.. but you should be able to google you new comp with regards to linux
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18:55<dxd>/you/your
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18:55<ti>noob
18:55<think>dxd, how do I know if I am already running 32 or 64 bit kernel?
18:55<guilherme>hi, when i try to conect to the internet i have to use pppoeconf, if i try to use pon dsl-config when i use plog it shows that link is down, what is the problem?
18:56<qq_>think: uname -r
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18:56<think>oooh, its already running smp, on the dual core. Is it two different thing core dual, and dual core, aparantly
18:57<Nemoder>uname -m should show arch
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18:58<think>Nemoder, just says i686
18:58<Nemoder>think: that's 32bit then
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18:58<think>Nemoder, what would it say if it were 64 bit?
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18:58<Nemoder>think: x86_64 I believe
18:58<caffn>Dual core : 2 cpu's. Core duo : Type of Intel dual core CPU
18:59<Nemoder>think: you could try the 64bit version of debian but you would have to reinstall for that arch
18:59<think>hmmm, I thought 64bit technology was old, so how dual core is only 32bits
18:59<caffn>uname -m
18:59<caffn>x86_64
18:59<think>caffn, whats the difference between core duo, and dual coer
18:59<think>core
18:59<Nemoder>branding
18:59<caffn>Jup
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19:00<caffn>AMD also has dual cores, but they are called X2
19:00<Nemoder>think: cat /proc/cpuinfo
19:00<think>which is new, core duo eh, and i have dual core
19:00<caffn>Intel calls them Pentium D, or Core (2) Duo
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19:00<Nemoder>if it lists both processor : 0 and processor : 1 then it's making use of both cores
19:00<caffn>Core duo is newer than Pentium D.
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19:01<think>caffn, I never knew until today, that they were different things
19:01<caffn>Running a 32bit kernel doesnt matter much.. Unless you have 4 gigs of ram, or more.
19:01<caffn>:)
19:01<Nemoder>yes, most 64bit cpus will run fine in 32bit mode
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19:02<think>Nemoder, I have 0 and 1, so its working, but I was wondering, cause it shows 64bit processor when I do lshw under cpu, but 32bits width at the top under computer
19:02<guilherme>hi, when i try to conect to the internet i have to use pppoeconf, if i try to use pon dsl-config when i use plog it shows that link is down, what is the problem?
19:02<caffn>I'm running a core2quad (4 64 bit cpu's) in 32bit kernel :P
19:02<onur> /wc
19:02<Nemoder>think: well if your kernel is i686 then you're running everything in 32bit
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19:02<caffn>Yeah.. CPU reports being 64 bit, but kernel is only 32 bit
19:03<think>is the 64 bit kernel better, you'd think all computers would be 64 bit by now, is it just a server thing, or for gamers?
19:03<caffn>It's good if you have lots of ram
19:03<dxd>its a memory thing
19:03<think>caffn, so I can just apt-get install the 64 bit one, but is it worth it? What is the 32/64 bit business
19:04<think>I only have 1 gig
19:04<caffn>I'd keep the 32 bit if I where you
19:04<Nemoder>think: no, you would need to reinstall, all software has to be built for 64bit
19:04<think>Nemoder, is there a boot cd?
19:04<Nemoder>think: there is a 64bit debian installer
19:05<think>cool, so hmmm, you guys say its only usefull for when you load up lots of ram, I only have two ram slots, and they are both taken with 512's
19:05<Nemoder>think: you wouldn't see any real performance gain going to 64bit
19:06<caffn>No.. Just some trouble, like flash not working the way you want it.. :p
19:06<think>Nemoder, I am gonna look for the 64bit installer though
19:06<think>caffn, kills cpu for me, let me try on my new computer now
19:06<Nemoder>!amd64
19:06<dpkg>i guess amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
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19:07<Nemoder>(amd64 is the generic name for both Intel and AMD 64bit x86 based CPUs)
19:09<Nemoder>but as caffn points out any closed source software you want to run that only has a 32bit build will require a completely separate set of the 32bit libs it depends on
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19:09<think>what abou that one 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem
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19:10<think>Nemoder, like which one?
19:10<caffn>Thsts 32 bit with supoort for 4+ gig ram on non-64bit cpu's.
19:10<think>Nemoder, what closed software do you use?
19:10<Nemoder>think: adobe software, games etc
19:11<Nemoder>the flash plugin is particularly annoying because you have to use a special wrapper to make it work in a 64bit browser
19:11<think>Nemoder, games? You buy them I they run natively on Linux? What controld do you use?
19:11<caffn>Another strange thing I came across on my computer.. To use 32 bit software on amd64 you need the ia32-libs package right? It's not in my repo's.. Somehow.. :p
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19:12<think>yeah, I am not going to run 64bit then, but...I hate to miss out on new technology I already have
19:12<Nemoder>caffn: yes, I know it's in lenny maybe it's not in etch
19:12<caffn>I'm using sid.
19:12<caffn>According to the package-website it should be in sid.. But not with me ;D
19:12<Nemoder>think: yes there are a number of proprietary games that run natively in linux, see tuxgames.com
19:12<think>Nemoder, name a game?
19:12<think>Nemoder, k
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19:13<caffn>Unreal tournament! YEAH!
19:13<Nemoder>caffn: that game happens to also have a 64bit binary though ;)
19:13<caffn>Really? Nice :)
19:13<caffn>Just a shame we're still waiting for the UT3 linux client ;(
19:13<Nemoder>aye
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19:14<Nemoder>Savage2 also has a 64bit build, it runs pretty well w/ nvidia if you use the proprietary graphics driver
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19:14*caffn has an ATI, with proprietary drivers
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19:16<think>caffn, its better than linux driver?
19:16<caffn>Hell yeah
19:16<caffn>Default driver has no 3D support
19:16<Nemoder>the open source drivers are probably more stable but they don't have the 3d support
19:16<think>oh, you play games?
19:17<caffn>Sometimes, yes.
19:17<think>Nemoder, but I have run blender3d, it works, with gnu ati driver
19:17<think>and inkscape vector graphics, np
19:17<Nemoder>think: it might have been with the software mesagl renderer
19:17<caffn>Might as well install the open source driver, gaming happns mostly on the PS3.. :P
19:17<Nemoder>not hardware accelerated, although they are making improvements towards that
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19:18<think>I like xjump, starship, and ...
19:18<Nemoder>but if you are running games or things like the compiz window manager you'll see a big performance improvement with the proprietary drivers
19:19<think>the lemings remake
19:19<Nemoder>think: try nexuiz sometime, it's probably the most advanced open source 3d game
19:19<think>I have intl vid now
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19:20<guilherme>when i try to conect to the internet i have to use pppoeconf, if i try to use pon dsl-config when i use plog it shows that link is down, what is the problem?
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19:20<think>I dont know why, I can't good at video games anymore since a few years now, so I lost interest, I used to be good
19:20<abrotman>can't good ?
19:21<think>good player
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19:21<Nemoder>I meant just to see the difference in performance, although if you enjoy the game all the better :)
19:22<think>my friends used to all play halo, but they were all so much better than me, it just wasn't fun
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19:22<mrtin>hello everyone... is it possible to make icons transparent with compiz?
19:23<think>later, be back
19:23<think>thanks for help guys
19:23<caffn>Ur welcome :)
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19:24<mrtin>is it possible like typin name=icons or something like that??
19:25<newsense>probobly ask in #compiz
19:25<mattchew>Nemoder: how do I turn the little Update to nexuiz ver# box to stop floating around the screen
19:25<newsense>im sure theyd know
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19:26<pelmon>hey. you guys heard of peerguardian? does it really do anything if you have a firewall installed?
19:26<Nemoder>newsense: not sure.. I don't see that in the lenny version
19:27<guilherme>when i try to conect to the internet i have to use pppoeconf, if i try to use pon dsl-config when i use plog it shows that link is down, what is the problem?
19:28<Nemoder>pelmon: afaik peerguardian is just a blacklist of IPs. I personally don't think it's all that useful.
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19:47<jidm>hi. which file is my system load log?
19:48<witte>jidm: i don't think that system load is logged automatically
19:49<erKURITA>most of it isn't logged, afaik
19:49<erKURITA>because System logging is a service, sysklogd, afaik
19:49<erKURITA>!sysklogd
19:50<erKURITA>looks like it has no def.
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19:54<jidm>witte: sory im not expert with english.... i want to see the log file of my system load routine
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19:55<jidm>because im having a problem on boot.. and i want to seek for it
19:58<Nemoder>dmesg
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20:00<erKURITA>Nemoder dmesg won't help there
20:01<snogglethorpe>anyone know how, on an AMD phenom system, to check whether the "TLB workaround" is active or not?
20:01<Nemoder>oh it doesn't finish booting, misunderstood
20:02<witte>jidm: the "dmesg" command will help, or "less /var/log/dmesg" if that goes to fast
20:02<witte>jidm: what goes wrong during boot?
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20:05<jidm>witte: im having a problem: ATA4: port is slow to respond
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20:05<jidm>it repeats several times, and slows my boot time
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20:06<jidm>it spends like 10 to 20 seconds to stop doing that!
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20:06<witte>jidm: which kernel do you have?
20:06<witte>jidm: "uname -a" to find out
20:07<jidm>i use debian testing, this problem started with 2.6.24, and now continues with 2.6.25
20:07<jidm>2.6.25-2-amd64
20:07<jidm>t thought it was a problem with sata drivers
20:08<jidm>but never changed between kernel versions
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20:08<jidm>on 2.6.22 that didnt happened
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20:09<pelmon>quick question. i noticed apache was being started during boot. i went to remove it and it installed php5. i went to install php5 and synaptec told me it was going to install apache again.
20:09<pelmon>any ideas why that would be happening
20:10<witte>jidm: looks like a kernel bug
20:10<jidm>pelmon: maybe php5 is apache dependant
20:10<caffn>Why would you need php5 without apache..?
20:10<pelmon>wait
20:11<pelmon>* i went to REMOVE php5 and synaptic said it would install apache
20:11<pelmon>yeah. wtf
20:11<caffn>Oh. Lol ;D
20:11<pelmon>sorry
20:11<jidm>witte: yes look like that, but i would like to fix it or report it, since it was present on 2.6.24 and now is on 2.6.25 too
20:11<pelmon>php5-cli to be exact
20:12<jidm>pelmon: did you remove apache with apt-get or with aptitude?
20:12<witte>jidm: can you upload your dmesg output to a pastebin
20:12<caffn>Thats kinda strange, yeah..
20:12<pelmon>i used synaptic
20:12<costa>hey everyone
20:13<newsense>pelmon: do you use aptitude also ?
20:13<costa>im trying to get ffmpeg working correcntly in 40r3, 2.6.18
20:14<pelmon>not in this case but yes
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20:14<newsense>well ive heard using aptitude and synaptic together might cause problems
20:14<newsense>i dont use both personally so i dont know the details
20:15<pelmon>never had any problems before
20:15<newsense>anyone heard of this ?
20:15<newsense>i know ive read it many times
20:15<pelmon>^?
20:15<craigevil-eee>better to stick with one package manager, apt, aptitude and not mix them
20:16<pelmon>hmm. i use all three sometimes
20:16<pelmon>:/
20:16<pelmon>usually apt, then synaptic if i need to be able to SEE what i'm doing and what is currently installed
20:17<newsense>both are frontends to apt so i think apt can be used with either or
20:17<jidm>witte: http://pastebin.com/dd64d553
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20:17<jidm>that is my dmesg log
20:19<witte>jidm: the lines around 545 dont look good
20:19<jidm>witte: sorry... maybe that is not. I pasted my /var/log/dmesg content on there, but it does not contain any "port is slow to respond"
20:20<jidm>yes that is the problem
20:20<jidm>maybe is getting worst?
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20:20<jidm>witte: do you think this problem can be solving by playing a little with my bios configuration?
20:20<witte>jidm: around 620 is also something you could google on
20:21<witte>jidm: could be, i have really no idea, i am no kernel hacker, i just scroll to that dmesg output pretending that i am knowledgeable :-)
20:22<witte>jidm: and further on, after 620, there are a bunch of errors that certainly have something to do with your boot problem
20:23<jidm>yes, they all are for the same reason, it retries and retries several times until get tired, so goes on
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20:24<witte>jidm: sorry i can't help you anymore, but if you want ot start debugging, try to find out which driver is giving that errors, try also to find out if it is not the actual hardware (disk) that is broken/damaged
20:25<jidm>im reading this problem occurred also to some people whose upgraded from ubuntu 7.10 to ubuntu 8.04. I think there is something with some driver
20:25<witte>google returns quite some results indeed
20:25<jidm>witte: no problem. you really helped. thanks a lot!
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20:27<witte>jidm: no problem
20:28<jidm>witte: i can understand the problem is with my SATA DVD-RW device
20:28<jidm>witte: thanks
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20:48<jeeves>can anyone reccomend a way of recovering the data from a NTFS disk attached via USB? I can't get the disk to mount or even show up
20:48<tmg1|hardy>dd?
20:49<tmg1|hardy>(CAUTION: dd can fry your data and generally ruin your day)
20:49<tmg1|hardy>like it doesn't even turn up in lsusb?
20:49<tmg1|hardy>does it power on at all?
20:49<tmg1|hardy>can you unattatch the disc from the usb device(some devices allow that)
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20:50<jeeves>tmg1|hardy, I'm getting a bunch of read sector errors. one sec, I'll paste bin it
20:50<witte>I would wait with dd until all other resources failed
20:51<jeeves>http://pastebin.ca/1083060
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20:51<jeeves>lsusb sees the drive, but it looks like the drive is dying. I'd like to get as much data off of it as I can before I replace the drive
20:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 337] by debhelper
20:52<tmg1|hardy>oh man
20:52<erKURITA>err
20:52<erKURITA>hold on
20:52<tmg1|hardy>there's a tool that allows you to specifically force read even with I/O errors like that
20:52<tmg1|hardy>what was that tool
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20:52<jeeves>it looks like the disk mounted to /media/disk/ and I can access it.
20:52<erKURITA>dd, afaik, is a raw copy utility
20:52<erKURITA>!dd
20:52<dpkg>i guess dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd
20:53<erKURITA>yup
20:53<jeeves>ok, it looks like I'll be able to clone it
20:54<erKURITA>jeeves
20:54<erKURITA>couple questions:
20:54<erKURITA>1) Have you used that drive with Windows?
20:55<jeeves>erKURITA, yes. it's the boot drive from a windows box. it looks like I can access it so far. I'm just going to recover whatever I can from it.
20:55<erKURITA>So it's a PATA drive, I assume
20:55<jeeves>erKURITA, not. SATA
20:56<erKURITA>mount it read-only with normal drivers and get the stuff out then
20:57<jeeves>erKURITA, lol, I just got to that point. thanks again guys. it's great when I have to think for a few mins
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21:03<hallo123>h
21:03<hallo123>hi
21:03<hallo123>of course i use debian lenny!
21:03<hallo123>but i would like to make a question that is not specific to debian
21:04<erKURITA>Let me guess: ubuntu-related
21:04<hallo123>nope
21:04<erKURITA>Good
21:04<hallo123>it is about proxies
21:04<hallo123>you see i can't find a free proxy online
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21:05<hallo123>anyone listening?
21:06<erKURITA>uh
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21:06<tmg1|hardy>uhh
21:06<erKURITA>c'mon, there's plenty in the first result page in Google
21:06<hallo123>ok yes
21:06<hallo123>but when i use them they do not function
21:06<erKURITA>you could also use TOR
21:06<tmg1|hardy>what are you using them with
21:06<tmg1|hardy>or rather
21:06<hallo123>i have installed tor
21:06<tmg1|hardy>what are you using to ttry to connect to them
21:06<tmg1|hardy>ah
21:07<hallo123>i want to use it with iceweasel
21:07-!-jeeves [~jeeves@d64-180-78-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #debian
21:07<tmg1|hardy>so are you trying to connect [proxy][tor] or [tor][proxy
21:07<tmg1|hardy>]?
21:07<hallo123>in order to surf without showing my country
21:07<tmg1|hardy>show your country to who?
21:07<jeeves>erKURITA, ok, that didn't work. any other ideas?
21:07<tmg1|hardy>tor, your isp, or your website
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21:08<erKURITA>jeeves have you got yourself a Hiren Boot CD ?
21:08<hallo123>wait guys i am a bit confused
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21:08<hallo123>when i connect to a web site i do not want it to understand my country
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21:08<hallo123>so i think i need a proxy anonymizer
21:08<jeeves>erKURITA, yes, but I can't even get the laptop to boot into it. the drive fails the SMART test, and the laptop refuses to boot.
21:09<erKURITA>Well, the website can either be coded smartly (checking IP classes) or dumbly (checking the locale requested)
21:09<hallo123>you are right
21:09<erKURITA>I'd fall for the smart situation, so I'd use TOR for that matter
21:09<jeeves>erKURITA, hence why I asked how to mount this from an external USB connector
21:09<hallo123>but ....
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21:09<hallo123>ok. how to use tor
21:09<hallo123>?
21:09<erKURITA>jeeves
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21:09<erKURITA>plug the drive after it passes the BIOS POST
21:10<jeeves>erKURITA, one sec. I'm getting forced to move physical location
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21:11<erKURITA>hallo123
21:11<hallo123>yes
21:11<tmg1|hardy>jeeves: I can't find the tool :(
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21:11<erKURITA>are you using Firefox / Iceweasel ?
21:11<hallo123>yes
21:11<erKURITA>Alright, have you got the TOR Plugin ?
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21:12<hallo123>i have installed the tor package
21:12<hallo123>is this the same?
21:12<tmg1|hardy>hallo123: then you use *either* tor *or* proxies(or both) and make sure to disable cookies, and a bunch of the other privacy measures...
21:12<erKURITA>nope, Firefox / Iceweasel requires the TOR plugin to properly work with TOR
21:12<hallo123>o
21:12<hallo123>ok
21:12<erKURITA>or to work easier with it
21:12<tmg1|hardy>there's also a 'torbutton' firefox plugin
21:12<tmg1|hardy>which is handy
21:13<tmg1|hardy>assuming tor is configured correctly
21:13<hallo123>how do i configure tor?
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21:14<erKURITA>tmg1|hardy that's the one I'm talking about
21:14<hallo123>tor button is installed
21:14<tmg1|hardy>hmm it's been awhile, last time I did it I manually looked through /etc/tor (i think), but doesn't tor load on boot/automatically?
21:14<erKURITA>hallo123 check their doc
21:14<tmg1|hardy>ie, when you try to connect to websites, do they see that it's your ip address?
21:14<tmg1|hardy>ie
21:14<tmg1|hardy>google
21:14<tmg1|hardy>if you go to google, do you get your home country's google page?
21:14<erKURITA>you can test it with http://www.whatismyip.com
21:14<tmg1|hardy>even if you clear your cache, close your sessions and reconnect?
21:15<hallo123>yes i get my country in google
21:15<tmg1|hardy>erKURITA: does that probe browser data or just rely on the ip address?
21:15<erKURITA>each time you load it, it shows a different IP
21:15<tmg1|hardy>okay
21:16<snogglethorpe>What's the point of that website anyway...? Isn't your ip in every packet you send out?
21:16<erKURITA>not with TOR
21:17<hallo123>any ideas?
21:18<hallo123>i find it difficult to understand the docs
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21:18<erKURITA>http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en
21:18<tmg1|hardy>hallo123: what does whatsmyip.com give you?
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21:18<hallo123>it gives my ip
21:18<tmg1|hardy>have you tried running tor or tord?
21:19<hallo123>tor is already running. how could i use tor button if tor wasn't running?
21:19<hallo123>i hope i am right!
21:20<tmg1|hardy>you turn tor on with torbutton now
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21:20<tmg1|hardy>usually by clicking on it
21:20<hallo123>yes it is active
21:20<tmg1|hardy>and is whatsmyip still your original ip address?
21:20<hallo123>yes
21:21<erKURITA>then it's not routing
21:21<hallo123>dunno
21:21<erKURITA>hence, TOR isn't working
21:21<tmg1|hardy>when you run tor is it giving you any errors?
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21:22<hallo123>i don't know that because tor runs at boot time
21:22<hallo123>now it is running
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21:22<hallo123>because i see it in pstree
21:23<tmg1|hardy>try stopping/starting it then
21:23<hallo123>ok
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21:23<hallo123>no error messages
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21:29<debiannoobie>hello, this noobie here needs help with building kernel on etch
21:29<witte>debiannoobie: why do you want to build a new kernel, are you sure that is needed?
21:30<debiannoobie>mmmm, would be nice to have updated drivers for scsi
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21:30<witte>!etchnhalf
21:30<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf , report bugs and problems to their mailing list please.
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21:30<witte>it has a 2.6.24 kernel
21:31<debiannoobie>im current using 2.6.18
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21:31<debiannoobie>wwould liek to move to 2.6.26
21:31<witte>and is supported by debian, quite easy to install, probably you want to try that instead of building a kernel on your own (although that is not that difficult)
21:31<debiannoobie>the only problem im having during this build process is the initrd file
21:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 344] by debhelper
21:32<witte>2.6.26 is not yet in debian, and also the sources are not yet debianified
21:32<debiannoobie>or what ever it may be today considering chamges
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21:33<debiannoobie>mkinitrd.yaird is kicking out an error
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21:33<debiannoobie>no ideals?
21:34<qq_>drivers for scsi ?
21:34-!-alphad is now known as alphad1
21:34<debiannoobie>this whole project started when i wanted to test this removable ide cd rom
21:34<qq_>debhelper: which architecture ?
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21:35<debiannoobie>build version>?
21:36<qq_>for which architecture needs drivers for scsi ?
21:36<debiannoobie>2.6.18
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21:36<debiannoobie>sorry for being dumb founded here
21:37<qq_>[03:30:14] <dpkg> "etch + 1/2" ....
21:37<debiannoobie>etch yes
21:37<qq_>"etch + 1/2"
21:37<debiannoobie>40r3?
21:38<witte>debiannoobie: try the kernel from etchnhalf as dpkg showed. If that works, ok. if not come back and ask again
21:38<witte>debiannoobie: or search on google for "initrd debian kernel" and the error you get
21:39<debiannoobie>thanks for the suggestion
21:39<debiannoobie>assumed no one is fimiliar with building custom kernel
21:39<witte>that would give you kernel 2.6.24, which is already one year newer than 2.6.26, which is a few weeks old
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21:40<witte>i have done that a few years ago, but never from kernel.org. don't need it...
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21:41<witte>!custom kernel
21:41<dpkg>read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image>
21:41<debiannoobie>cool
21:41<witte>!debian kernel imagae
21:41<witte>!debian kernel image
21:42<debiannoobie>o feel better already
21:42<qq_>debiannoobie: : for which scsi drive needs drivers ?
21:42<debiannoobie>its this ide cable with a power cord that goes in the wall
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21:42<debiannoobie>i am testing a cd drive with it
21:44<witte>debiannoobie: and the cd does not work?
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21:44<debiannoobie>yes the cd worked not to long ago before it was replaced in my tower with a hard drive (only oe ide cable)
21:45<debiannoobie>one*
21:45<guilherme>i have a problem with my touchpad, when i start Gsynaptics they show: GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
21:45<guilherme>You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics
21:45<guilherme> what i have to do??
21:46<witte>debiannoobie: I mean, why do you need the new driver. What does you think the one you have is broken?
21:46<witte>guilherme: you have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add 'SHMConfig' 'true' in the synaptics section
21:46<debiannoobie>i dont think the driver for the disk device is functioning correctly
21:46<debiannoobie>lsusb shows no results
21:47<witte>debiannoobie: if you plug it in, do you get output in dmesg
21:47<debiannoobie>no results with that command
21:47<debiannoobie>looked yesterday
21:47<debiannoobie>not for that device
21:48<witte>debiannoobie: 2.6.18 is not that new, but then again, most cdrom devices don't use anything fancy as well
21:48<debiannoobie>the device is less than a year old
21:48<guilherme>but i tried to do that but i dont know where edit
21:48<debiannoobie>the sata drive im currenly using is less than a year old also
21:48<witte>guilherme: upload the file to a pastebin
21:48<witte>!pastebin
21:48<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:49<debiannoobie>neat trick for the pics
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21:49<witte>debiannoobie: just try if the 2.6.24 kernel works, that is the easiest. 2.6.24 is about 3 months old i think
21:50<debiannoobie>2008-06-06 yes it is
21:51<guilherme>witte: http://pastebin.ca/1083083
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21:51<debiannoobie>curious question, if i were to use the dpkg manager to upgrade, how would this effect updates and other factors
21:53<debiannoobie>I am satisified with debian overall. Most packages are stable and work correctly with my system. this is a very rough transistion for me
21:55<qq_> dpkg manager to upgrade ? where you learn that ?
21:55<dpkg>qq_: wish i knew
21:55<witte>guilherme: http://pastebin.ca/1083085
21:55<debiannoobie>old habbits from ubuntu
21:55<witte>guilherme: not sure, because there is no specific synaptics field
21:55<abrotman>debiannoobie: you mean using aptitude ?
21:56<debiannoobie>yes
21:56<abrotman>that makes way more sense
21:56<witte>guilherme: line 35
21:56<abrotman>upgrade to what? lenny?
21:56<debiannoobie>my terms are all backwards but i see them visually
21:56<guilherme>witte: ok, thanks
21:56<debiannoobie>well would be nice to kill two birds with one stone
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21:57<debiannoobie>my inital goal was to build custom kernel on this version im using, and trasport to my latop as well
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21:58<guilherme>witte: do u know how cam i use like this "é or ç ..." i'm using composed keys i think, but i need to configure that??
21:58<debiannoobie>keyboard configuration
21:58<debiannoobie>not sure what the command is in debian
21:58<witte>guilherme: depends on your keyboard and configuration.
21:59<guilherme>witte: i need to configure to write in portuguese, but us
22:00<witte>guilherme: http://pastebin.ca/1083087
22:00<erKURITA>I wonder...
22:00<erKURITA>!tell erKURITA about setkbd
22:00<erKURITA>nope
22:00<witte>that is part of my config, my keyboard is belgian (be)
22:01<guilherme>witte: thanks
22:01<witte>!configure keyboard
22:01<dpkg>""
22:02<witte>zless /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.gz
22:02<debiannoobie><i think i know where i screwed up at
22:02<debiannoobie>ls
22:02<debiannoobie>opps
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22:04<RIVE>HI, good evening.
22:04<ralphy>any nfs experts on tonight?
22:05<witte>!ask
22:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
22:05<ralphy>brand new install, starting nfsd starts repeating 'nfsd: peername failed (err 107)'
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22:06<ralphy>debian stable, if it matters.
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22:08<guilherme>witte: in my case i think the layout is us, right??
22:08<witte>guilherme: i can't see from this side of the internet what your keyboard is looking like :-)
22:09<RIVE>:-)
22:09<witte>guilherme: typically it would be something like qwerty to start with :P
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22:10<qq_>ralph: tried bts, ?
22:10<guilherme>witte: yes, yes , hehhe, but i tryed this configuration, and in the start it works, (when i put the login) but in a text editor for example, it didn't work
22:10<witte>qq_: he is running stable, there should be no such bugs in stable i guess
22:11<qq_>ah , ok
22:11<ralphy>bts?
22:11<witte>!bts
22:11<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
22:11<ralphy>ahh, bug tracking system.
22:11<Gekz>,
22:12<witte>guilherme: which windowmanager are you using? maybe you just need to configure it correctly
22:12<witte>guilherme: http://soft.zoneo.net/Linux/compose_key.php
22:12-!-qq_ is now known as qq
22:12<witte>guilherme: the last two remarks are independent
22:12<guilherme>witte: i'm using gnome
22:13<witte>guilherme: check the page i gave, it is for mandriva, but it will be the same for debian
22:14<witte>!compose
22:14<dpkg>[extended chars] to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command
22:14<witte>guilherme: ignore that dpkg message, i don't think it will help you that much
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22:15<guilherme>wittte: ok thanks
22:15<qq>setxkbmap us
22:15<ralphy>FWIW, all I've done to this fresh install is change the IP address to static and add a drive.
22:15<ralphy>installed a few packages, slrn, mplayer....
22:16<witte>ralphy: did you do an update?
22:16<witte>and upgrade
22:16<witte>normally there should not be to many packages, but there are soe
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22:16<witte>s/soe/some/
22:16<ralphy>yup, installed from a network install, soon as I booted into the new system, apt-get update ; aptget install
22:16<ralphy>err, dist-install...
22:17<ralphy>after I changed /etc/apt/sources.list to look for contrib and non-free.
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22:23<knoppix__>hello at all
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22:25<anibal>ralphy, did you restarted nfs on the server and the client after the IP address change?
22:27<witte>OT: anyone here happens to know out of the blue how to make a gnuplot/matlab graph that is not a function (sorts the X and Y values) but plots data points as they appear
22:27<ralphy>anibal, there's no client trying to connect to this yet...
22:27<ralphy>wait, there might be....
22:28<witte>nope? in that case I'll ask a newsgroup, and go to sleep...
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22:29<ralphy>nope...
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22:31<ralphy>I unmounted the client's nfs share (which I haven't set up on the new server yet), stopped 'nfs-common' on the client, started 'nfs-kernel-server', and the messages restarted.
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22:35<ralphy>I'm going to bring down all the other machines on the nfs servers' network and try restarting nfsd, see what that does.
22:36<prock>Debian, I love you.
22:37*ralphy is in a different place in my Debian relationship.... :)
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22:37<pelmon>anyone using kde?
22:38<prock>Thank you to all who contribute their time to make Debian so great. Because of you, my server upgrades went so smoothing I can go home and see my family instead of spending my whole weekend working.
22:39<anibal>prock, and thank you to the debian users as well!
22:39<ralphy>Hmm, took down the debian testing box and the winxp box, and now nfsd isn't complaining.
22:40<anibal>ralph, ok, so the kernel didn't like the IP address change
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22:40<ralphy>I'm not so sure....
22:40<ralphy>I changed the IP from dynamic to the same IP that this machine had before I reinstalled (HD failure)
22:41<ralphy>I'm guessing it's the other debian box trying to mount it's configured shares on the new nfs server...
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22:47<ralphy>so, hopefully set up etc/exports, trying to restart the client....
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22:51<ralphy>viola.
22:51<ralphy>I have a working nfs config.
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22:55<ralphy>so, for future reference; when the nfs client is still trying to connect to a misconfigured nfs server, you get a peername error
22:55<ralphy>danke for the brainstorming help.
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23:14<guilherme>hi, i can't launch gsynaptics
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23:16<guilherme>they show GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
23:16<guilherme>You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics
23:16<guilherme> and i edited the xorg.conf like witte said but it didn't solve it.
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23:36<acu>guys - I need some help here - I am trying to fix my nvidia to work - I run lenny on AMD64 if I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - I go through the keybord config etc but it does not go through monitor and vga - why is that ?
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23:42<pelmon>hey
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23:43<pelmon>anyone know program is generating the data displayed across the top of the screen in this screenshot? http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=75106&file1=75106-1.jpg&file2=75106-2.png&file3=&name=Another+Day+antiX+Fluxbox+Theme
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23:56<JazzplayerL9>where does dpkg unpack .deb packages?
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