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00:00<blarson>JazzplayerL9: /
00:02<JazzplayerL9>blarson, by default, dpkg unpacks everything to / ? I'm working with a 4gb solid state drive trying to update my system and I'm running out of disk space when it unpacks the .debs
00:03<blarson>JazzplayerL9: The package specifies the location for each file. So a file in /usr would get unpacked there, etc.
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00:06<JazzplayerL9>blarson, thanks...that's exactly what I needed to know. I'm an Arch Linux apt and dpkg are really strange to me.
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00:08<blarson>4gb should be pleany unless you try and install something overbloted like gnome or kde.
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00:08<acu>I want to see what xserver version I have
00:09<JazzplayerL9>yes I know it should be...but I'm not working with my own system. ASUS has this assanine Xandros OS on their Eee 901's and they really REALLY screwed up with updating
00:10<JazzplayerL9>problem is...they haven't released the source yet on the patches they've applied to kernels and/or the hardware tweaks they used so no one can really get another OS working correctly yet.
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00:14<xsdg>acu: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg
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00:17<acu>xsdg: thanks
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00:20<chealer>acu: these parts were removed from xserver-xorg config
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00:23<acu>chealer: where can I find them - God, is like a PhD thesis pursuit to make anything working
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00:33<jeeves>can someone help me figure out why my nVidia drivers keep randomly freezing my system, and leaving white glitches all over my system
00:34<newsense>ya didnt set up your xorg right ?
00:34<newsense>i win
00:36<jeeves>newsense, I've installed the dirvers off of the nVidia site. and before, I tried the nvidia-glx-new drivers, and they totaly froze up my desktop
00:37<newsense>did ya edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? or run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
00:37<craigevil-eee>jeeves: which debian releases? what card what driver
00:39<jeeves>craigevil-eee, it's the newest relase, and it's a nVidia 7300 GO
00:39<craigevil-eee>newest release? meaning etch, lenny or sid?
00:39<newsense>yeah more info
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00:41<newsense>you read that jeeves?
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00:41<jeeves>newsense, one sec
00:42<jeeves>newsense, ok, I'l have a read
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00:42<craigevil-eee>jeeves: try
00:42<newsense>dam sorry
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00:42<newsense>kbd has been spilled on and i have to pound on it
00:43<jeeves>ok, thanks guys. my woman is going to pull me away for some "fun"
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00:43<newsense>im gonna pull my woman away in a second
00:43<newsense>teach her linux
00:43<jeeves>newsense, lol, she's not going to teach me that.
00:44<newsense>i was just covering to stay on topic
00:44<newsense>not what i really meant lol
00:44<newsense>ya dig
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00:45<newsense>have a good night !
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00:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 332] by debhelper
00:52<uriel_>hello i need some help replacing the ubuntu startup sounds i change my seleced sound that i made and converted it into a Wav file but it wont play anybody have any ideas on why this doesnt work? please helphello i need some help replacing the ubuntu startup sounds i change my seleced sound that i made and converted it into a Wav file but it wont play anybody have any ideas on why this doesnt work? please help!
00:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:53<uriel_>um any ideas on my question?
00:53<uriel_>so cant help me?
00:53<Starkonovich>The above text was suggesting you join a channel with Ubuntu users. We're all Debian users.
00:53<gsimmons>uriel_: You're in the wrong place for support of your distribution. You'd want to join #ubuntu on
00:54<uriel_>alright thanks
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00:54<newsense>uriel_: youre an idiot like most ubuntu users that come here, if ya didnt mention "ubuntu" ya might have got help but youre " an idiot" goodnight!
00:54<newsense>i had it out for him
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00:59<newsense>man its friday, no wonder its so quiet
00:59*newsense would walk to the bar if it wasnt so late
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01:00<newsense>gotta install a condenser in the morning
01:01<Nemoder>It's good that he did mention what distribution he was using, had we assumed it was Debian and tried to help it would most likely have wasted everyone's time.
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01:01<newsense>but for a lot of things it wouldnt matter but ubuntu users are too stupid to figure that out and say ' im using ubuntu'
01:02<AHemlocksLie>I'm trying to set Debian up, and I can't get it to connect to the internet. Is there anything in particular I should try first?
01:02<Nemoder>it's the subtle differences that can cause the most confusion
01:02<newsense>Nemoder: i shouldnt give em ideas, ill drop it
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01:03<Nemoder>AHemlocksLie: wired or wireless?
01:03<AHemlocksLie>also, I think this version of Debian might be a few years old, two or three, is my guess. It's a modified version for the Xbox. Also, wired
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01:03<AHemlocksLie>However, from what I've read about it, the only modifications are for compatability
01:03<newsense>running on xbox?
01:03<Nemoder>hmm xebian? doesn't that have it's own support channel??
01:03<newsense>ps3 rocks, cell
01:04<newsense>i hate xbox
01:04<newsense>i love my ps3
01:04<AHemlocksLie>I'm not sure, but I looked at the #xbox-linux channel, and the topic says anything not directly related to the Xbox should be asked here
01:04<AHemlocksLie>and I had the same issue when I tried to use Debian on my desktop
01:04<AHemlocksLie>but I can't remember what I did to fix it
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01:05<AHemlocksLie>newsense: ps3 = fail :D
01:05<Nemoder>generally use lspci to see if the device is listed, lsmod to see if the driver is loaded and ifconfig to see if it's configured
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01:05<Guest1408>hey guys.
01:05<newsense>AHemlocksLie: home little big planet linux
01:05<newsense>come on noe
01:06<Guest1408>i get this when i try to install headers for my kernel for vmware
01:06<Guest1408>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
01:06<Guest1408> linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable
01:06<Guest1408>why why why
01:07<AHemlocksLie>okay, so let's see...
01:07<AHemlocksLie>lspci shows an ethernet controller, that's good...
01:08<Nemoder>Guest1408: perhaps you need to update and upgrade your kernel first? I don't know how vmware handles such things
01:08<newsense>debian ssshouldnt be run on ms crap consoles
01:08<AHemlocksLie>it does
01:09<AHemlocksLie>so too bad :D
01:09<AHemlocksLie>I'd say I sacrificed the ability to play games to do this
01:09<newsense>it runs 600x better on the ps3 cell :p
01:09<AHemlocksLie>but that'd be a lie, I managed to salvage that, too
01:09<AHemlocksLie>that's a next gen console, it doesn't count D:
01:09<AHemlocksLie>also, for the record
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01:09<newsense>ahh nm
01:09<AHemlocksLie>trying to hook a computer to a TV
01:09<AHemlocksLie>is really blurry
01:09<newsense>thought ya meant 360
01:09<AHemlocksLie>and hard to read
01:09<AHemlocksLie>nah, I'm using the original Xbox
01:10<newsense>ddidnt know anyone owned an xbox still
01:10<AHemlocksLie>on an unrelated note
01:11<AHemlocksLie>does anyone know the name of that three-pronged cable video game consoles use?
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01:12<newsense>component lol
01:12<Starkonovich>Well, that's way off topic, but there is componet and composite I believe
01:12<Starkonovich>Both 3 pronged, but I don't believe they are inter changable
01:12<newsense>composite is 5
01:12<AHemlocksLie>the one with red, white, and yellow
01:12<AHemlocksLie>anyway, back ON topic
01:12<AHemlocksLie>when I use lsmod to check for drivers
01:12<AHemlocksLie>is there anything in specific I should be looking for?
01:13<newsense>ms crap
01:13<Nemoder>xebian uses customized modules, that's really beyond what debian can offer support for
01:13<AHemlocksLie>yeah, I figured I wouldn't be able to get a lot of help here
01:13<AHemlocksLie>but I did get some, so that's good
01:13<AHemlocksLie>I just need to learn to read the fuzziness
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01:14<newsense>if ya had a ps39non ms) console i'd help ya
01:15<newsense>i dont like xbox
01:15<newsense>i hbought one an sold it within a week
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01:17<newsense>my ps3 kills this 2.60ghz p4 with 764 mb ddr2
01:17<snogglethorpe>Nemoder: what needs to be different aside from the hardware drivers though?
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01:18<snogglethorpe>praise jebuz!
01:18<newsense>whats good€!
01:18<Jebuz>Hmm im having problems installing debian on a new computer.
01:18<Nemoder>snogglethorpe: hardware drivers are what he was wanting help with
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01:18<snogglethorpe>Nemoder: ok... just wondering
01:19<newsense>Jebuz: whats the problem?
01:19<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: I just installed it on a new computer myself :-)
01:19<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: what probs?
01:19<Jebuz>newsense: Well i bhought a Acer Aspire m5200 and trying to install but doesnt seem to work,
01:20<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: you need to say _how_ it's not working
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01:20<newsense>what error, where does it go wrong?
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01:21<Jebuz>I did a install on a HDD, but it wouldnt start debian, so i tried to install it again, then it says "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM ect" but ive already done a install :/
01:21<newsense>take the cd out
01:21<newsense>make sure bios is set to boot fom hdd€
01:22<newsense>note any errors
01:23<Jebuz>Ok, 1st boot device says [SATA: 3M-WDC WD5000 wich is the one ive installed it on.
01:23<newsense>ok good
01:23<Jebuz>but there was Vista on it before does a install remove vista?
01:24<newsense>did ya install grub or lilo to mbr ?
01:24<Jebuz>Grub yeah
01:24<newsense>or seperate /boot partition?
01:24<newsense>ok try reboot with no cd
01:24<newsense>see what happens
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01:25<Jebuz>then it just comes a black screen with a single "_"
01:25<newsense>put the debian cd back in
01:25<newsense>make sure ya can boot from it
01:26<Nemoder>Jebuz: you downloaded an ISO and burned it? what was the filename of the ISO?
01:26<newsense>can try reescue and edit boot config from shell or reinstall
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01:26<newsense>can verify integtity of cxd through installer too
01:26<Jebuz>Ok booting debian from CD.
01:27<Jebuz>loading files
01:28<Jebuz>choose language now, ok that ive set to enligh, country to sweden and keymap to swedish.
01:28<Jebuz>now it "scans" cd-rom
01:28<newsense>man you got more than 1 coputer?
01:28<newsense>youre rich huh
01:28<Jebuz>nawh :P
01:28<newsense>i got mine from garbage
01:29<gn00b>new to linux/debian. i have a program that i'd like to install. it's a *.deb file. when i do 'dpkg -i *.deb' it tells me that there are dependencies. how do i make it install all the dependencies by default?
01:29<newsense>r.i.p my friend able got it for me in trash
01:29<Jebuz>i wanna have 1 disk for debian and 6 disks for data is that possible without raid?
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01:29<Nemoder>gn00b: if the dependencies are available in debian then run aptitude and they should already be flagged for installation
01:29<Jebuz>Ok and debian can handle the Amd Phenom 9500 right?
01:29<newsense>make 6 partitions
01:30<newsense>7 if ya aint counting swap
01:30<gn00b>run aptitude?
01:30<Jebuz>But will Debian run on Q-C processor?
01:30<Jebuz>says same problem with CD now :/
01:31<newsense>`wipe it off
01:31<newsense>try again
01:31<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: yes it can handle the phenom 9500
01:31<Nemoder>Jebuz: if it can't read from the disc it sounds like the disc may be corrupted
01:31<Jebuz>can it handle 4gb ram? 3.15tb?
01:31<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: yes
01:31<newsense>cd integrity isnt as bad as with floppies
01:31<newsense>im old school
01:31<newsense>try installing linux wih 20+ floppy images
01:32<snogglethorpe>i installed via usb stick which was pretty convenient
01:32<Nemoder>I have noticed dvd drives tend to be a lot pickier than cds
01:32<newsense>discs go bad quick
01:32<Nemoder>Jebuz: if you have the bandwidth I'd suggest using the net installer iso instead
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01:32<Jebuz>Yeah but then its another problem it said it couldnt find any ethernetcard yesterday
01:33<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: was it connected to a network at the time?
01:33<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: I noticed that even if it can detect the card, the messages are kidn of cnofusing if it doesn't otherwise find a dhcp server or something
01:33<Jebuz>so it needs to be connected ?
01:34<gn00b>Nemoder, thanx. starting to like debian more and more every minute
01:34<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: things are easier if it is
01:34<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: do you have a adsl/cable router or something that will do dhcp?
01:35<Jebuz>nawh i got fiber
01:35<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: that uses a router of some sort too though?
01:35<Jebuz>so gonna add a switch
01:35<Jebuz>nope bhought a switch yesterday
01:35<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: incidentally, which version of debian are you trying to install?
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01:36<Nemoder>Jebuz: if it boots the disc and starts the installer but then fails with an error reading from cdrom then chances are either the disc has become damaged or wasn't burned properly or the drive itself is unreliable
01:36<newsense>add the switch, do other computers get online ?
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01:36<newsense>do you have static ip's ?
01:36<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: I installed lenny beta 2, which has a relatively recent kernel (2.6.25) but older versions might have worse hardware support for very new hardware (like the phenom)
01:36<Jebuz>this one. debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso, yes i got static ip.
01:36<newsense>one ?
01:37<newsense>or multiple ?
01:37<Nemoder>you only need the first one to install
01:37<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: hmm personally I'd suggest just trying lenny beta 2
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01:37<Nemoder>snoggle's suggestion is probably best considering it is newer hardware
01:37<Jebuz>dunno yet, needs to test and see if i get different ips on both computers.
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01:37<newsense>not if ya got fiber with static ip
01:38<newsense>if ya got static ip ya know it
01:38<Jebuz>yeah i got static ip,
01:38<newsense>ok than
01:38<Jebuz>but dont know how many ips
01:38<newsense>call isp
01:38<newsense>get ips
01:38<newsense>if ya got more than 1
01:39<newsense>theyll kknow
01:39<Nemoder>you may have better luck with debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso
01:40<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: since you're using a phenom, you can also choose between the i386 and amd64 installs
01:40<Jebuz>yeah but im gonna run glftpd and a friends said i should use debian
01:40<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: that is debian
01:40<Jebuz>maybee should use the amd64
01:40<Nemoder>it is the beta of debian 5.0
01:40<Jebuz>well it needs to be stable so taking the 4.0 :P
01:41<Nemoder>stable might not have all the drivers you need on a brand new system
01:41<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: it'll be fine
01:41<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: anyway, I installed using the above installer (lenny beta 2), and amd64, on a phenome 9550 with 4gig, and I know it works
01:41<Jebuz>2 sec will connect the switch and see if its working, gonna get disconnected and then back again
01:42<newsense>if ya got static ips, ya need to set the ips on all connected devices to work
01:42<newsense>shitch is not a router
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01:43<Jebuz>so it works
01:44<Jebuz>1gbit/s network swich :)
01:44<snogglethorpe>Jebuz: so faster than your cd...
01:44<Jebuz>yeah but only have 100/100 out.
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01:44<Jebuz>outside the switch i mean
01:45<Jebuz>ok gotta restart the computer brb and hoping you will guide/help me :)
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01:46<newsense>Jebuz is an idiot
01:46<snogglethorpe>newsense: why so harsh?
01:46<newsense>cause he doesnt listen
01:47<newsense>if he had static ips and conected a switch his computers arent just gonna "get online"
01:47<snogglethorpe>well I have no idea how his network is set up
01:47<newsense>i dont either
01:47<snogglethorpe>but presumably if has weird stuff, he has some way of know how to use it?
01:47<newsense>and i talked to him for half an hr
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01:48<newsense>hes one of those people who tell halfthe story and think theyll benefit from it
01:48<newsense>waste of time
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01:48<newsense>sorry about the ignoraant comment
01:49<newsense>ill ttry to calm down in the future
01:49<snogglethorpe>heh, is supposed to be the _nice_ #debian .... :-)
01:50<newsense>doesnt that url point to freenode?
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01:50<snogglethorpe>newsense: my impression was that it pointed to one of the other big irc hubs, but not freenode
01:50<newsense>im on both and i consider both nice unless im online
01:50<snogglethorpe>"oftp" or something
01:51<newsense>were on that network now lol
01:51<newsense>where you at?
01:51<snogglethorpe>every time I ask a question on #debian@freenode I get my head bitten off 5 or 6 times
01:51<snogglethorpe>me? tokyo
01:52<newsense>snogglethorpe: youre on oftc now ya know!
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01:52<snogglethorpe>a lazy saturday afternoon here
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01:52<jebuz>Ok im back :)
01:53<newsense>jebuz: whats the problem now ?
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01:53<jebuz>nothing just gotta download the netinstaller.
01:53<newsense>ok cool
01:54<jebuz>so i just need the net install, thats 1cd right?
01:54<jebuz>not dvd?
01:54<snogglethorpe>jebuz: even somethign smaller should work
01:54<newsense>just net
01:54<snogglethorpe>jebuz: if you've got a good network
01:54<streuner>!d-i jebuz
01:54<dpkg>jebuz, you want to go to Or (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
01:55<jebuz>ok how do i know if i got hardware that aint supported?
01:55<streuner>check this out
01:55<snogglethorpe>jebuz: I don't know offhand, but the phenom is pretty new...
01:56<snogglethorpe>jebuz: there's also some site that has the stable installer with a newer kernel, but I don't knwo the url offhand
01:56<jebuz>ok but is there any bugs on the 5.0 installer?
01:56<snogglethorpe>jebuz: but seriously, I don't think there's anything particularly unstable about lenny beta 2
01:56<streuner>kmuto or/and etchnhalf
01:56<jebuz>or does it run stable and dont crash?
01:56<snogglethorpe>jebuz: it's great
01:56<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
01:57<snogglethorpe>jebuz: it runs well, and doesn't crash
01:57<jebuz>streuner i dont know what youre talking about but ok :P
01:57<jebuz>well will take the 5.0 then
01:57<snogglethorpe>jebuz: that's a good decision i think
01:57<snogglethorpe>streuner: lenny beta 2
01:57<streuner>ah, ok :-)
01:57<jebuz>could u guide me to wich one?
01:58<snogglethorpe>jebuz: then decide i386 or amd64
01:58<snogglethorpe>(I chose amd64)
01:58<jebuz>yeah took that myself gonna burn it now
01:59<streuner>good luck
01:59<jebuz>got 4-5mb/s from the debian site :) thats nice
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01:59<streuner>which URL?
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02:00<jebuz>that one snoggle posted
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02:00<jebuz>and the amd net isnt
02:00<streuner>there are lots of links there...
02:01<jebuz> to be exact then :)
02:01<streuner> 0% [ ] 1.341.025 354K/s ETA 7m 6s
02:02<jebuz>ur speed?
02:02<streuner>well, 3000 down...
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02:02<streuner>354 K/s is the whole bandwidth here...
02:02<jebuz>well my max is 12.5mb/s
02:03<jebuz>ok putting the net installer in the computer
02:03<streuner>hm, misread that :-)
02:03<streuner>4-5 K/s ...
02:03<snogglethorpe>(heh, my "max" is 20mb/s but I never get more than about 3-5 in practice, ... too far from the phone company...)
02:03<jebuz>ooh lol :P
02:03<jebuz>snogglethorp where do yo live? :)
02:03<jebuz>if i can ask that :)
02:03<streuner>12.5mb/s is nice, true :-)
02:03<snogglethorpe>near tokyo
02:04<jebuz>cool :)
02:04<jebuz>stre yeah got 100/100mbit
02:04<jebuz>will get 1000/1000mbit when its avalable
02:04<Nemoder>jealous :P
02:04<jebuz>ok got the installer boot menu in fron
02:04<streuner>poor swedish guys, they got plenty of bandwidth and for less money
02:04<jebuz>these 4 options, "install, graphical install, advanced options, help" and im guessing isntall :P
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02:05<jebuz>Yeah stre yeah and good routing everywhere :P
02:05<jebuz>except for cogent
02:05<streuner>but sweden is an exeption, even in europe...
02:05<jebuz>stre what do you mean? :)
02:05<streuner>internet is cheap in sweden
02:06<jebuz>yeah true but i do actually pay 800sek for 100mbit/100mbit
02:06<streuner>and you have plenty of bandwidth thee
02:06<jebuz>and gonna get 24/3 or 20/3 for my personal computer since the server is gonna use the 100 line
02:06<streuner>how much in US-Dollar?
02:06<jebuz>let me check
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02:07<jebuz>800,00 SEK ger dig
02:07<jebuz>129,50 USD
02:07<Nemoder>I pay about $100/mo for 6mbit in the USA :(
02:07<jebuz>100/mo damn that wasnt cheap
02:07<jebuz>well if you save all those money for 1 year you could move to sweden
02:07<Nemoder>I'm tempted!
02:08<jebuz>an apartment is 500$ tjhen its yours, you got nice speeds and everything and a rent each month would be 230$ including electricity, tv, washing and alot more :P
02:08<jebuz>and its pretty easy to get work :P
02:08<streuner>jebuz: well, the server is in sweden too ;-)
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02:09<jebuz>ur server?
02:09<jebuz>ooh :)
02:09<jebuz>thats nice :)
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02:09<jebuz>good routing between .se to .se sites, got 9.xxmb/s yesterday when testing in sweden
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02:10<jebuz>ok nice :)
02:10<jebuz>now i got Partion Disks menu in front of me
02:11<snogglethorpe>jebuz: so it will usually do mosmt of the work if you want to let it
02:11<jebuz>guider or manual and theres "entire disk and entire disk lvm and entire disk enc lvm" wich one ? :p
02:11<snogglethorpe>jebuz: do you really have a single 3.5tb disk?
02:11<jebuz>got 3 x 500g at on it.
02:11<snogglethorpe>jebuz: are you gonna use raid?
02:11<jebuz>but will add another 2TB
02:11<jebuz>well no
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02:12<jebuz>maybee later if i change server speccs.
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02:12<snogglethorpe>jebuz: personally I used LVM, which gives you more flexibility later
02:12<jebuz>by meaning? its only for ftp use nothing more
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02:13<snogglethorpe>jebuz: LVM is just a virtual layer that lets you move/shrink/grow paritions around more easily after the fact
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02:13<snogglethorpe>jebuz: since the installer supports it pretyt well though, it's basically as easy to use as non-LVM
02:13<jebuz>whats best for ftp use then?
02:14<snogglethorpe>jebuz: I don't think it makes a difference
02:14<jebuz>if you know ofc :)
02:14<jebuz>ok ill take the LVM then :)
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02:14<beau>I have a dual boot with debian and windows xp (for the wife)the partition is on hda5, and I need to know what to edit to get grub to boot the xp
02:14<snogglethorpe>jebuz: the ftp server is going to access the disk through the OS like everything else so it won't care
02:14<jebuz>wow 500.1 GB, does debian read the HDD proper? not like windows missing like 30-40GB ?
02:15<snogglethorpe>jebuz: I've no idea
02:15<snogglethorpe>jebuz: though 1000kb vs.1024kb can be confusing
02:15<jebuz>well in windows a 500gb disk is 465GB for me :/
02:15<Nemoder>jebuz: the filesystem itself will take up some of that once it's formated
02:15<gsimmons>snogglethorpe: No, LVM doesn't move/shrink/grow partitions. It manipulates logical volumes.
02:15<jebuz>yeah but its the bit and byte thats the difference
02:16<snogglethorpe>gsimmons: don't niggle
02:16<jebuz>ok, partitioning scheme, all files in one partition, separate, separate2 ?`:P
02:16<jebuz>guessing first one
02:16<Nemoder>beau: that should be easy to do but I don't know that much about grub myself
02:16<snogglethorpe>jebuz: if you've got "precious" stuff in one partition, I'd got for a little separation myself
02:17<beau>Nemoder: yeah I'm kinda new to the whole thing myself, any help would be great
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02:17<valdyn>beau: /boot/grub/menu.lst should have an entry for xp, probably commented out with #
02:18<jebuz>hmm is debian a nice OS for gaming, music production ect?
02:18<jebuz>like whats best for me to use for personal debian, vista, xp? :P
02:18<jebuz>sorry for asking but debian looks intressed :)
02:18<Nemoder>there are some games and music tools, just depends on your needs
02:18<beau>valdyn: yeah I think I saw one, seemed generic, does debian set it up automatically?
02:20<jebuz>well guessing WoW doesnt work or counter-strike? :P
02:20<snogglethorpe>jebuz: the gpu support in windows seems better currently, depending on your hardware etc... though you can install closed-source drivers etc to get around that to some degree...
02:20<Nemoder>no those are both windows games, although they do work with wine
02:20<snogglethorpe>jebuz: actually apparently WoW is supported though wine
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02:20<jebuz>ok :)
02:20<jebuz>will run debian on server then :)=
02:21<snogglethorpe>jebuz: apparently some companies sell stuff that even makes the experience of getting it working painless
02:21<jebuz>ok :)
02:21<snogglethorpe>jebuz: if you are "free software only" then things are a bit rougher at the current moment
02:21<jebuz>snogglethorpe can i PM you?
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02:22<snogglethorpe>jebuz: eh, sure
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02:22<jebuz>no i can pay to get program also :P
02:22<snogglethorpe>jebuz: well I mean "redistributable source" not "no money"
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02:26<hngshooter18>str8 18 5'8 130# bl/bl 10" beating off with other big dicked jocks and watching them blow huge fuckwads all over their pecs and abs
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02:42<rage>hey, does anyone know a guide that will let me PXE boot debian?
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03:12<jebuz>debian installed stopped now again
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03:12<jebuz>Partition Fomratting 33% :/
03:13<jebuz>now it started again :)
03:14<blarson>jebuz: Hit alt-f3 and see if there is an error. (alt-f1 to return.)
03:14<pelmon>the last guy named jebuz that was trying to install debian had his computer electrocute him
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03:15<pelmon>felt it was something to do with his mocking the only son of God
03:15<pelmon> /shrug
03:16<jebuz>wich server is best?
03:16<jebuz> ?
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03:18<cahoot>might try apt-spy to see
03:19<pelmon>i use personally
03:19<jebuz>yea i used
03:19<Txt_file> ... or the mirror from my local university
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03:20<jebuz>file 923 of 923 finished :p
03:23<jebuz>hmm what is "gnome game" ? :P
03:23<jebuz>said something in the install :p
03:24<pelmon>useless junk you would rather you never installed in a few weeks
03:25<pelmon>if you live that long
03:25<jebuz>Hmm you seem like a negative person? got problems at home?
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03:26<ragnar>hey ppl
03:26<ragnar>hi all
03:26<jebuz>yo ragnar
03:26<ragnar>i'm a newb and wanna get acquainted with debian
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03:26<ragnar>any can hlp?
03:26<rage>I can
03:27<rage>PM me if you want
03:27<ragnar>sure d00d
03:27<jebuz>hmm now install stopped at 71% ;/
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03:28<jebuz>hmm started again :D
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03:29<jebuz>this is like xtc for a dwarf, :)
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03:37<pelmon>what's a dwarf?
03:37<pelmon>you mean like Santa?
03:37<pelmon>no wait. those were elves
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03:39*fxiny refrains
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03:43<pelmon>hey fxiny
03:43<fxiny>yes ?
03:44<jebuz>hmm having problems installing the Grub package
03:45<jebuz>hmm any solutions from anyone?
03:46<pelmon>nm. figured it out
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03:46<fxiny>grub ? you lucky : still can't fix my crystall ball ;)
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03:47<fxiny>jebuz: debian version , errors in a paste bin would be fine
03:47<jebuz>fxiny, what?
03:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
03:48<fxiny>jebuz: running stable testing sid ?
03:48<jebuz>im trying to install debian
03:48<jebuz>so where do i find the error bin?
03:49<pelmon>don't think he knows lenny or sid
03:49<jebuz>using lenny
03:49<pelmon>seems like you are having enough problems already without using unstable
03:49<cahoot>pelmon: does that matter at all wrt to his grub problem?
03:50<fxiny>jebuz: lenny ? good choice , next september will be release as stable
03:50<jebuz>Pelmon yeah the only problem i have except the Grub is you!
03:50<cahoot>so why start a meta discussion?
03:50<pelmon>i'm taking this to dalnet before i make anyone mad
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03:51<jebuz>fxiny: hmm GRUB 2 instead of GRUB Legacy?
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03:52<fxiny>jebuz: ohhh grub2 . i'm not using it . i'm sure you'll get help . just be patient , maybe ppl are busy squashing bugs
03:52<jebuz>Well it asks me if i wanna install GRUB 2 instead but i dont
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03:58<jebuz>"The 'grub' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot load, the installed system will not boot." hmm
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04:02<bessarabov>Hi! Can i ask questions about rtorrent here?
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04:03<bessarabov>Oh! Geat!
04:03<bessarabov>I've got a trouble with using XMLRPC with rtorrent
04:03<bessarabov>I've writting scgi_port = localhost:5000 in my ~/.rtorrent.rc file
04:04<bessarabov>but after staring, i have the error message: rtorrent: Error in option file: ~/.rtorrent.rc:2: Variable "scgi_port" does not exist.
04:04<bessarabov>I'm using debian with apache2 and i have installed module scgi
04:04<bessarabov>And in my apache2 conf file i have SCGIMount /RPC2
04:04<bessarabov>So, this is my question =)
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04:04<lothar>Hi all!
04:05<jebuz>Hi Lothar :)
04:05<fxiny>rtorrent: XMLRPC not supported.
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04:05<lothar>Has someone experience in setting up sound (alsaconf) on Debian Etch PPC ?
04:05<bessarabov>fxity: do you mean that i should build the rtorrent from the soure?
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04:06<fxiny>this is a compiled version >> rtorrent-0.7.9.tar.gz
04:06<fxiny>i'm waiting for lenny rtorrent
04:06<bessarabov><fxiny> thx. i will try what you said
04:07<fxiny>i mean , i'm on stable
04:07<fxiny>bessarabov: i said the compiled one won't accept XMLRPC
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04:08<bessarabov><fxiny> still don't understand you =( I've installed ii rtorrent 0.6.4-1
04:08<jebuz>Someone got any experience with GRUB / GRUB2 ?
04:09<lothar>Means I get this error after setting up sound with alsaconf on my mac Mini: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
04:09<fxiny>bessarabov: right . i'm on etch using the latest rtorrent-0.7.9.tar.gz ,. adding "scgi_port = localhost:5000" to ~./rtorrent.rc i get that warning .
04:10<fxiny>bessarabov: so i think going for this version you'll get the same
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04:10<bessarabov><fxiny> ok. i will try to install rtorrent-0.7.9
04:10<bessarabov><fxiny> is there deb file for this verion or i shoul compile it myself?
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04:12<jebuz>bessarabov: check this also
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04:12<fxiny>bessarabov: there is no etch 0.7.9 rtorrent . not even a bpo deb
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04:13<bessarabov><jebuz>thank you
04:13<fxiny>bessarabov: as i said i'm running it on etch but XMLRPC is not supported
04:13<jebuz>bessarabov: np
04:14<fxiny>bessarabov: all i can say to youy is : it compiles and install just fine on etch
04:14<bessarabov><fxiny>hm. what do you think should i do to make XMLRPC in torrent working?
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04:16<jebuz>Quote: Since version 0.7.5, rtorrent has a built-in XMLRPC interface (if enabled)
04:16<fxiny>bessarabov: no idea . mine is the latest version , check google ?
04:17<fxiny>bessarabov: running etch ?
04:17<bessarabov><jebuz>goood =) now it is becomming clear
04:17<fxiny>bessarabov: so no point in compiling it . it's not supported
04:18<bessarabov><fxiny>already doing that. thans for your help.
04:18<fxiny>bessarabov: if you find a solution i'll appreciate if you let me know
04:18<jebuz>bessarabov: Check this also, theres something you probablt wanna see. "Now we install xmlrpc-c" ect
04:19<bessarabov><fxiny> ok
04:19<jebuz>debian etch,
04:19<jebuz>kinda new to debian but dont know if it will help you :)
04:20<gsimmons>lothar: It sounds like your regular user account is not a member of the "audio" group.
04:20<gsimmons>!tell lothar -about alsa checklist
04:22<jebuz>wieee :) debian installed :)
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04:23<jebuz>doesnt boot up :/
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04:27<jebuz>hmm Grub loading error 17 :/
04:28<jebuz>hmm wtf, GRUB is on a different drive then the debian OS, is that right?
04:29<fxiny>is ok
04:29<fxiny>you edit grub menu.lst
04:30<k-man>where should one put local udev rules?
04:31<fxiny>jebuz: best way to learn is googlin for "grub manual boot"
04:32<jebuz>im googling alot :p
04:32<jebuz>and found some answers but not in where to type it
04:32<jebuz>or do it :p
04:33<fxiny>i see . google update sometimes sucks . looking for a decent page
04:34<jebuz>Thanks :)
04:34<jebuz>like i found that i should write fdisk -l /boot/grub/menu.lst
04:36<fxiny>what ?
04:36<jebuz>hmm how do i get into a "cmd" to edit the fle?
04:36<jebuz>tryig rescue mode
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04:38<lothar>Hi, I have added me to the group audio, but after logout, I got a black screen. What' that ?
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04:41<qq>wow , sound nice
04:41<fxiny>jebuz: found a decent one >>
04:41<fxiny>a bit too verbose
04:43<fxiny>jebuz: yes , scroll down to "Tab completion"
04:43<lothar>Which users must also be in the audio group ?
04:44<jebuz>but GRUB doesnt even start
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04:45<bessarabov>Yuho! =) The rtorrent is Working!
04:45<bessarabov>Thans everybody!
04:45<bessarabov><fxiny>the solution is simple: to compile rtorrent from the source
04:45<jebuz>np Bessarabov :)
04:46<bessarabov><jebuz> Thx Thx Thx +)
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04:46<jebuz>"/bin/sh: /boot/grub/menu.lst/: not found"
04:46<fxiny>bessarabov: i see what you mean . good news
04:47<bessarabov><fxiny>Yep. Everything is exactly as it said in
04:47<gsimmons>lothar: Only the user accounts that require access to the audio device (eg. lothar).
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04:48<bessarabov><fxiny>(The only thing that i had to add /usr/local/lib in /etc/ and run ldconfig
04:48<bessarabov>Thx againg to everybody! Good bye! =)
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04:50<lothar>Ok, I have done that. I have no idea what it was. Even on a reboot the login screen didn't came up. It simply gone dark and I couldn't even do a blind login.
04:50<lothar>Strange, now I could work again :-)
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04:51<lothar>Mixer is usable and it seems ok now. Thanks and by.
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04:56<jebuz>hmm do i need to have GRUB and debian at the same disk?
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05:02<Txt_file>jebuz: no
05:02<jebuz>why doesnt GRUB load then
05:02<jebuz>cant even choose a OS to run
05:02<Txt_file>grub error?
05:03<jebuz>using LVM
05:03<jebuz>and grub is on another disk :/
05:03<Txt_file>17 : "Invalid device requested" - This error is returned if a device string is recognizable but does not fall under the other device errors.
05:04<jebuz>wich means that? :P
05:04<Txt_file>I think that there is a problem cause you use LVM ... but I am not sure
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05:05<jebuz>ok if i reinstall wich one should i take then
05:05<jebuz>"Guided - use largest continous free space" guided entire disk guided lvm and enc lvm" ?
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05:06<fxiny>jebuz: is your bios booting that "another disk" ?
05:06<jebuz>now i see
05:06<jebuz>debian wasn tinstalled on the master.
05:06<jebuz>it was instaled on SCSI1 :P
05:06<Txt_file>this are to different points ... this guided is the partition and grub is the boot loader
05:06<Txt_file>you have SCSI?
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05:07<jebuz>it says so
05:07<jebuz>but disks are SATAII
05:07<jebuz>not scsi
05:07<jebuz>but grub was installed to hda and debian was installed to sda :/
05:08<Txt_file>you bios must boot from had
05:09<jebuz>so then i have to install debian on the hda ?
05:09<jebuz>testing that and will see how it works. :)
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05:12<fxiny>jebuz: no . you can install debian anywhere . install boot on a hd and tell your bios to boot from that one
05:13<fxiny>s/install boot/install grub
05:13<gsimmons>Txt_file: Uh, GRUB stage 2 error 17 is "Cannot mount selected partition". Did you provide your error message from, by any chance?
05:14<fxiny>jebuz: but again i'm not a grub2 user so double check
05:14<Txt_file>gsimmons: yeah I get it from there
05:15<fxiny>jebuz: to learn how to edit grub menu.lst read grub manual or use cli grub booting manually
05:15<gsimmons>Txt_file: It would appear errors #12 and #17 are swapped on that page, when compared against the GNU GRUB documentation.
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05:16<Txt_file>gsimmons: ok ... didn't know it
05:16<Txt_file>and it was the first/best google-entry :)
05:16<gsimmons>Txt_file: Yeah, that's the depressing thing. I'll send a correction e-mail.
05:17<jebuz>fxiny i dont use GRUB 2
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05:17<jebuz>got it to work with GRUB legacy
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05:18<Txt_file>gsimmons: that's good ... thank you
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05:19<lothar>Hi again :-)
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05:24<lothar>I have a question about mol and network setup. Anybody here listening ?
05:25<qq> mol ?
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05:25<lothar>Mac on Linux :-)
05:26<snogglethorpe>lothar: linux on mac?
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05:26<qq>hm, i use lom
05:26<lothar>No I run Mac OS X inside mol in a Debian 4.0 Box on my Mac mini.
05:27<snogglethorpe>lothar: hmm
05:27<snogglethorpe>lothar: must be speedy
05:27<gsimmons>lothar: Try #debianppc (OFTC) or #mol (freenode). I doubt anyone would be familiar with that in here.
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05:28<lothar>Yes, I do not have any problems with that speed. It's quite good :-)
05:28<snogglethorpe>lothar: what about video?
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05:28<fxiny>mol == matrioska on linux :P
05:30<qq>here use lom == Linux on Mac :P
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05:31<lothar>As the documentation says, it may be half the speed, not sure if only video.
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05:32<lothar>It's quite good to test my older Mac OS X 10.3. Currently I have 10.5 in paralell to Linux.
05:34<fxiny>snogglethorpe: you from japan ?
05:34<snogglethorpe>fxiny: i am in japan, I am not from japan
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05:38<fxiny>snogglethorpe: watched a fantastic bw no speech japanese movie , last week . ready for more stuff
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05:39<fxiny>snogglethorpe: a couple with childrend watering vegetables on a waterless island , incredible !
05:39<fxiny>just that
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05:40<lothar>gsimmons: The documentation of mol says, that iptables must be activated. So it seems this is back a debian issue, is it ?
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05:51<lothar>IPTables and how to setup general NAT ?
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05:53<snogglethorpe>hmm did the vfat filesystem used to ignore case?
05:54<pumpkin0>snogglethorpe: FAT32 did, yes.
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05:55<snogglethorpe>pumpkin0: hmm
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05:55<snogglethorpe>it used to be that if I mounted my (vfat) usb stick on debian, I could use it from git, which wants a HEAD file
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05:55<snogglethorpe>even though it ended up on the filesystem as "head", it still worked ok
05:55<snogglethorpe>but now it's not working
05:56<snogglethorpe>(a new debian installation)
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05:56<snogglethorpe>but as far as i can figure, the old system used the vfat fs, and so does the new one
05:56<lothar>Ehhm... IPTables -P FORWARD ACCEPT :-)
05:56<snogglethorpe>and there don't seem to be any funny mount options in the old/new systems (I have a copy of the old system's /etc dir)
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06:08<lothar>Bye... /quit
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06:19<cool>any im lets me use mic and cam??? iAxle Revnik m me
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06:26<Txt_file>cool: what IM-provider do you want? YIM, ICQ, MSN, ...
06:27<nevyn>cool: kopete
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06:29<Txt_file>nevyn: but it's KDE :) KDE is the reason why I have not yet tested amarok23
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06:34<cool>kopete is not doing cam or my mic im me
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06:39<cool>hi any im like kopete my kopete net leting me ues cam or mic
06:40<cool>is it for yahoo 2?
06:43<cool>any gay things for linux?
06:43<abrotman>!tell cool about gay
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06:45<cool>any thing gay for linux??
06:45<abrotman>cool: do you need help? or are you just here to cause problems?
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06:47<snogglethorpe>abrotman: he clearly needs help
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07:04<xauth>'Rebuild ntp from .dsc, but it doesn't run. Same .deb when downloaded does. :(
07:04<xauth>Any ideas where to start looking?
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07:08<Txt_file>xauth: I have only a idea for me: looking in a dictionary what you mean *g* ... seriously I don't know
07:10<xauth>It means that when I build the ntp package myself from sources, it works differently than the same package that's been built and stored in the archives.
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07:10<xauth>ie that Shouldn't Happen.
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07:10<abrotman>xauth: doesn't run ?
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07:11<xauth>It appears to exit with a use message printed to /dev/null.
07:11<xauth>(strace is good)
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07:12<xauth>Something strange with being able to drop privileges.
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07:12<xauth>Hmm... Do the build daemons build as root, or do they use fakeroot as well?
07:13<abrotman>there aren't any messages in messages/syslog ?
07:14<xauth>Initialization messages, and then nothing. And the process is gone.
07:15<xauth>last message: Jul 26 13:02:27 love ntpd[18019]: kernel time sync status 0040
07:15<xauth>After a number of "Listening on interface" messages.
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07:16<xauth>Ew. dpkg knows about "thank you".
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07:18<xauth>Hmm... autoconf doing strange things: #undef HAVE_DROPROOT
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07:53<guillaume_>I got this output with jackd (sid) : the playback device "hw:0,0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again. How can I solve that ?
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08:03<xauth>Ah! ntp build-depends on libcap-dev!
08:03<xauth>Which I don't have installed.
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08:04<JulIee>..../s is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment
08:04<JulIee>..../s is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment
08:04<JulIee>..../s is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment
08:04<JulIee>..../s is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment
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08:09<erKURITA>what a load of fail
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08:10<Cheatah>if he gave me root access, i'd love to administer his system :)
08:10<jebuz>Hello again
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08:10<erKURITA>Cheatah so would I
08:11<jebuz>1 question does debian support the promise sata 300 tx2+ card?
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08:11<Txt_file>Cheatah: is administrate then load stuff and break the system?
08:12<erKURITA>sshh, keep it a secret ;>
08:13<Cheatah>don't take me too seriously ;)
08:14<Txt_file>jebuz: .. I didn't read it
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08:16<jebuz>how do i restore a disk to what it used to be before trying to install debian?
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08:19<jebuz>txt_file do you know this? am gonna install vista back on the computer i tried to install debian on, but the disk has changed how do i fix that?
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08:20<narcan>anybody use kazehakase web browser ?
08:21<narcan>it have a grave bug
08:21<narcan>with the last release
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08:22<Txt_file>jebuz: what do you want?? I don't understand it
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08:23<jebuz>Well when i tried to install debian it changed something so now when im going to install vista again it finds the disk only being 0.2GB but it actually is 500gb , so how do i restore that?
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08:25<Txt_file>jebuz: are you able to get the partition-table?
08:25<dxd>jebuz sounds as though you need to delete partitions
08:25<dxd>then reformoatr via the vista install
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08:26<jebuz>hmm how do i check that txt, and dxd i cant since im using vista recovery disc
08:26<dxd>use your deb install disk to access partitions - then delete
08:26<jebuz>good point xD
08:26<Txt_file>shows the vista-installer linux-partitions?
08:26<jebuz>yeah but only 1
08:26<dxd>use vissta install to reformat the single partition]
08:27<jebuz>but like i said i cant since im using recovery disk
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08:27<jebuz>can u guys guide me tru the deb cd ?
08:27<Txt_file>jebuz: do you want to use debian or vista in the future?
08:27<dxd>ah.. bummer you dont have vista install?
08:27<jebuz>vista on that computer and debian on another
08:27<jebuz>burned the recovery files to 2 dvds
08:28<dxd>what will you be recovering as there is a borked install of debian on that disk
08:28<dxd>ah.. i see ..
08:28<jebuz>so now i need to fix the partition on the disk
08:28<jebuz>so it shows as 1 whole disk with 500gb not 1 small 0.2gb :P
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08:29<jebuz>so should i enter rescue mode and open an shell or how?
08:29<Txt_file>jebuz: are there files and data on the disk? if not the easiest way is to format the complete disk and install vista
08:29<jebuz>txt yeah but how?
08:29<jebuz>and there is files on the disk but them i dont want
08:29<Txt_file>with a vista install cd?? :)
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08:30<dxd>yeah make like you are going to install debian with whatever disk you have.. then delete all the partitions and create a single fat32 partition
08:30<dxd>then use your windows tools to do the rest
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08:31<dxd>your are on your own after that.. no experiance with vista and or recovery disks
08:31<Txt_file>for partitioning I use ubuntu ... there I have a nice gui for shrink partitions and destroy so my vista :)
08:32<Txt_file>dxd: but I have little experience with vista (I use it (cause gaming))
08:32<Txt_file>dxd: never shrink a partition with a vista install ... my system break through this
08:32<jebuz>should i take manual partitioning now then?
08:32<dxd>only windows i am thoroughly familiar with is 2k
08:33<Txt_file>jebuz: yes
08:33<dxd>jebuz, .. now Txt_file and myself both assume you you dont care if you nuke any data on this disk...
08:33<dxd>is this true
08:34<jebuz>since its just debian os on it
08:34<Txt_file>there is no gurantity that NO important (or unimportant) data will be removed
08:35<jebuz>and im gonna install debian on another computer instead.
08:35<jebuz>well i dont have any data on it :P
08:35<Txt_file>that's good
08:35<dxd>heh. well some people expect miracles.. just making sure we are on the same page
08:36<Txt_file>jebuz: one tip ... this a few years I have EVER 1 partition for the system and 1 for the data
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08:36<Txt_file>under windoze and under linux
08:36<dxd>good practice for any OS
08:36<jebuz>txt_file what do you mean?
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08:37<Txt_file>make one partition for the OS (vista and apps/programs) and an other for your data
08:37<dxd>ie 'Disk C:/' has your system files
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08:37<jebuz>will ahve 100gb for vista and 400gb for data
08:38<dxd>'Disk D:/' has .dos .mp3 .svg etc
08:38<jebuz>and on the server i will have 150gb for debian and 3tb for data
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08:38<guillaume_>jackd : xrun with 82801G under sid
08:38<SeJo>bleh don't use wicd on debian nowm it's broken with the wpasupplicant
08:38<SeJo>going to try wifi-radar
08:40<Txt_file>dxd: but a friend of mine broke his external HDD ... the motor don't run ... but he has payed many money for data recovery
08:40<dxd>hdd are cheap. recovery expensive.. dis they manage to save the data?
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08:41<jebuz>hmm how do i create a ntfs partion ?
08:41<Txt_file>I think he good the biggest part of his data back
08:42<jebuz>cany only see ext3 ext2 reiserfs jfs xfs fat16/32 swap psych
08:42<Txt_file>create a FAT32 under Debian and the format during the vista installation
08:42<Txt_file>jabuz ^^
08:42<xauth>... and another patch submitted to the bts.
08:42<jebuz>but then it says "fat32" aint a compatible unix
08:43<Txt_file>are you using the debian-install-cd?
08:43<dxd>thats ok.. just be sure to write the partition table then you can exit
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08:44<jebuz>well when im trying to save the partion it says "no root file system is defined, please correct this fromt he partitioning menuy."
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08:45<Txt_file>is there no choice between "correct this" and "I know what I am doing"
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08:47<Txt_file>crtl+alt+F2 ... so you get a shell
08:48<Txt_file>there you can use fdisk
08:48<Txt_file>you are new to Linux, are you?
08:48<jebuz>yeah :P
08:48<jebuz>wrote fdisk -l
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08:49<jebuz>is there a way to delete it from the shell?
08:51<Txt_file>I think fdisk is very easy to use ... also for newbies
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08:51<jebuz>- fdisk /dev/sda and then?
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08:52<jebuz>nowi get it :P
08:52<Txt_file>follow the output
08:53<jebuz>o lets truy now :)
08:53<Txt_file>delete the partitions you want and then create partitions like you want
08:54<jebuz>i did this the whole disk was 500gb so i wrote fdisk /dev/sda then choosed command "O" then "W"
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08:55<Txt_file>looks good ... if everything worked fine you can use the vista-installation for final partition
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08:57<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>The first partition needs to be NTFS for Vista to be installed
08:57<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>for the Vista bootloader
08:57<erKURITA>because Vista is that crappy
08:57<Txt_file>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: during the vista install you can't create any other FS
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08:58<Txt_file>because it's micro$oft
08:58<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I've installed Vista after Linux once, tried it again and it didn't work
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08:59<Txt_file>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: my 2nd PC has a vista and a sid ... I installed vista and then debian ... grub detected vista and it is working without problems
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09:02<Txt-file>so I reboot ... must change my kernel
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09:05<jebuz>finally :)
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09:05<jebuz>find the disk in normal windows size :P
09:05<jebuz>465gb :P
09:06<jebuz>so is the disks correct in debian?
09:06<jebuz>like 500gb disk is actually 500gb?
09:06<jebuz>or like in windows 465gb?
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09:07<avu>that has nothing to do with the OS
09:07<jebuz>so its the same then?
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09:07<avu>of course
09:08<avu>that's because hd vendors use a divisor of 1000 and the rest of the world usually uses 1024
09:08<jebuz>hmm using a geforce 8800gtx with debian? good idea? :P
09:08<jebuz>avu ok
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09:12<pumpkin0>jebuz: 8800 works fine.
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09:14<jebuz>ok, another question, im gonna run 6 x 500gb + 1 150gb do i need raid to use them in debian then? or does it work good without raid?
09:15<avu>you don't need to use raid of course
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09:16<pumpkin0>jebuz: it will work with and w/o RAID. It depends on how you want to use that space.
09:16<avu>but why wouldn't you?
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09:17<avu>sandeep, if you want to speak to the bot, use /msg dpkg foo
09:17<jebuz>well for ftp purposes but its ok to use them without raid?
09:17<avu>jebuz, it's a bit stupid but it will work of course
09:17<jebuz>ok so raid is best then?
09:17<pumpkin0>jebuz: w/o RAID you get 6 blocks of 500GB. with RAID you get one larger block.
09:17<jebuz>now i get it
09:17<jebuz>then im gonna run raid for th 6 x 500gb :P
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09:18<jebuz>is it raid0 then or what am i gonna use
09:18<avu>also, with raid, you're saver from hardware failure
09:18<avu>I'd use raid6 for so many disks
09:18<pumpkin0>jebuz: RAID0 = one drive fails all data gone.
09:18<Txt-file>avu: but when the hardwarecontroler is defect you have a big problem
09:18<pumpkin0>jebuz: RAID5: 2 drives fails = all data gone
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09:19<avu>Txt-file, your point being?
09:19<pumpkin0>jebuz: RAID6: 3 drives fails = all data gone. Pick your poison.
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09:19<jebuz>well but if 1 fails? data still there?
09:19<jebuz>on raid6
09:19<snogglethorpe>hmm isn't an geforce 8800 gonna be 2d only?
09:19<pumpkin0>jebuz: yes
09:19<avu>jebuz, with raid5, 1 disk may fail, with raid6 2
09:19<pumpkin0>snogglethorpe: nope, the non-free driver can do 3D on 8800 by now.
09:20<snogglethorpe>ok, ... dunno about the nonfree driver
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09:20<jebuz>ok so if im getting it right now if i use raid6 and 1 disk crashes the other 5 still shows the data, and by using raid on the 6 x 500 it looks like i have 1 big 3TB disk instead?
09:20<avu>jebuz, no
09:21<Txt-file>avu: I know a admin of a company ... he got this problem
09:21<avu>jebuz, read the article about raid on wikipedia
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09:21<avu>Txt-file, so?
09:21<avu>Txt-file, it's quite obvious that raid only protects you from hard disk failure and from nothing else
09:22<Txt-file>avu: right ... he changed the HDD more then one time before he had the idea that the controler is defect
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09:22<avu>doesn't mean rais isn't useful, since hard disks always fail
09:22<pumpkin0>Txt-file: and with most bigger brands you can read the array on different controllers.
09:23<jebuz>ooh ok now i think i get it, using raid5 with 6 disks gets me 2.5TB of space used for data and 500gb spread over all disks incase one disk would crash i can restore the disk with the other disks
09:23<pumpkin0>jebuz: more or less: yes.
09:23<Txt-file>can be ... but not the topic where I know enough
09:24<jebuz>ok guessing thats good :)
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09:24<avu>jebuz, I'd still use raid6 with so many disks though..
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09:24<Txt-file>what about RAID65 .. rofl
09:24<pumpkin0>Txt-file: not enough disks.
09:25<avu>resyncing the new disk takes quite a while and before it's complete, you're vulnerable
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09:25<abrotman>read the BAARF thing
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09:27<jebuz>hmm vista doesnt boot :/
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09:32<avu>abrotman, ok, the performance during rebuild is a problem sometimes. another reason to use raid6, not raid5. the 'becomminc flaky and returning bad data' bit is not a real world problem though in my experience. smartd is quite good at detecting such situations before they become a problem
09:32<abrotman>just sharing .. i don't agree with it
09:33<abrotman>not all of it
09:33<wnd>not once has smart warned me about a failing disk. never even when it has been already too late.
09:33<pumpkin0>avu: "returning bad data" was the state of the last 3 drives i removed from RAIDs. That's why some are now running RAID2.
09:34<avu>yep, I've done that a couple of times, too. I was always informed about the situation by smartd though
09:34<jebuz>how often does the disks become bad to the ftp?
09:35<pumpkin0>avu: yes, the warrings are there. But at 2:00 in the night nobody reads them...
09:35<jebuz>or well to the ftp i mean in raid5
09:35<pumpkin0>jebuz: depends on the drives, usage, age, temperature, cold boots,... throw a dice.
09:35<avu>jebuz, read the URL abrotman just posted. also, again, read at least the wikipedia article about raid
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09:40<snogglethorpe>hjmm that "baarf" paper "why I should not use raid5" is worth reading
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09:41<jebuz>yeah i read that its bad on wiki also
09:41<jebuz>slow ect
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09:43<jebuz>hmm maybee i should do it W/O raid
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09:45<Txt-file>its difficult to understand the complete RAID-stuff ... but after a while it is not so difficult like you thinked to the begin
09:46<jebuz>ok but i understod that raid3-4-5 are bad
09:46<Txt-file>5?? 3 and 4 yes but that 5 is bad it's new to me
09:47<jebuz>well raid1+0 is good i saw
09:47<snogglethorpe>Txt-file: hafl the problem is that the numbers they use seem completely random
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09:48<Txt-file>I have only heared in the school anything about RAID ...
09:48<jebuz>ok but actually raid1+0 would be good
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09:48<jebuz>6 x 500gb = 3 x raid1+0 mirrors
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09:50<jebuz>but it would mean that i only would have 1.5tb for data and not 3tb for data if i would use it w/o raid
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09:51<Txt-file>what do you want to save that you need 2TB?
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09:52<jebuz>its for a ftp
09:53<Txt-file>I think you know what you're doing.
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09:54<jebuz>probablty not :P
09:54<jebuz>because the guy that was gonna help me with debian all glftpd is gone :P
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09:59<Txt-file>but you have us for getting help and addle you
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10:07<jebuz>True :)
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10:09<picknick> /msg dpkg etch
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10:11<snogglethorpe>jebuz: once you've got the basic system installed and setup, things become a lotttt easier
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10:12<jebuz>ok :)
10:13<jebuz>i can add harddisks after ive installed debian right?
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10:16<fxiny>wt4x ! another "based" ? :P
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10:18<snogglethorpe>jebuz: sure
10:20<jebuz>Cool, does anyone know a huge case or a server case? needs alot of 3.5"
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10:21<jebuz>wiihoo got debian installed :D
10:21<jebuz>took me late yesterday and since 06:00 today :p
10:21<jebuz>damn its looks really fresh
10:21<jebuz>much nicer then xp,vista, osx
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10:22<Txt-file>jebuz: and this is debian ... other distributions looks many better
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10:22<jebuz>Cool :)
10:23<jebuz>ok is everything original from debian good to use such as web browser ect?
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10:24<jebuz>cool i even got the 15-in-1 reader :P
10:24<Txt-file>jebuz: it will work but ie i have installed opera cause I like him
10:24<fxiny>freezing time : 269 message :)
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10:24<jebuz>ok so i can install FF on it?
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10:24<jebuz>its just like xp? can install via .exe ? :P
10:25<jebuz>how can i check if i got all ram available
10:25<Txt-file>apt-get install firefox
10:25<snogglethorpe>well better use "aptitude install firefox"
10:26<Txt-file>snogglethorpe: differences?
10:26<qq>apt-get install iceweasel
10:26<Simon43>jebuz: firefox is called iceweasel on debian.
10:26<avu>!why aptitude
10:26<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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10:26<jebuz>ooh ok
10:26<jebuz>hmm can only find 3.6GB of the DDR
10:26<Txt-file>snogglethorpe: you got me
10:27<Txt-file>have you installed a 32Bit-Debian?
10:27<jebuz>and teh q-c is only running at 5% on 1 core
10:27<jebuz>damn this is nice :)
10:27<jebuz>hmm took the one snoggle advices
10:27<jebuz>lenny something
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10:27<jebuz>ooh yeah
10:27<pumpkin0>jebuz: you installed a kernel w/o PAE. You should use one with PAE (aka bigmem)
10:27<Simon43>how much ram do you really have?
10:27<Txt-file>jebuz: my VPS has most time 100% idle
10:28<jebuz>pumpkin wich means?
10:28<jebuz>like all this shortnames doesnt say me anything :P
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10:28<jebuz>since its first time i ever see a unix
10:29<snogglethorpe>pumpkin0: if I recall correctly, he installed amd64
10:29<qq>jebuz: [16:27:38] <Simon43> how much ram do you really have?
10:29<pumpkin0>jebuz: run "uname -a". Which kernel do you see ?
10:29<qq>uname -r
10:29<jebuz>how do i run it? :P
10:30<snogglethorpe>jebuz: open a terminal window, type uname -a
10:30<Txt-file>shos Alt+F2
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10:30<Txt-file>Alt+F2 is bad
10:30<qq>Ctrl + Alt+F1
10:30<jebuz>nothing shows up
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10:31<Txt-file>qq: lol
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10:31<snogglethorpe>jebuz: type Ctrl-Alt-F7
10:31<pumpkin0>jebuz: alt-F2, enter xterm and hit run. Then enter uname -a
10:31<jebuz>hmm i tested ctrl alt f1 and looks wierd
10:32<jebuz>how do i get back from ctrl alt f1?
10:32<qq> type Ctrl-Alt-F7
10:32<jebuz>phew got scared there :p
10:33<jebuz>because i know shit about it you probably would write some "wierd" commandos to screw with me xD
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10:33<Simon43>jebuz: if you type just alt+f2 does there pop up a window looking like the "start -> run" dialog in windows?
10:33<jebuz>Pumpkin yes did that now
10:33<Txt-file>enter xterm and hit run. Then enter uname -a
10:33<Simon43>how's this gnome terminal called? :-)
10:33<jebuz>did that
10:34<Simon43>poped up a new window?
10:34<jebuz>like "dos"
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10:34<Simon43>there you can type your "uname -a" or "-r" or whatever...
10:34<jebuz>it says Linux 2.6.24-1-amd64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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10:34<pumpkin0>jebuz: now type free
10:34<pumpkin0>jebuz: "free"
10:35<snogglethorpe>incidentally, anyone know about this "Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole" thing at kernel startup?
10:35<jebuz>total mem 3.70gb and swap 11gb
10:35<Simon43>jebuz: Is it possible that you just have a videocard with shared ram?
10:35<snogglethorpe>Simon43: (he said he had an 8800gtk, isn't that a real videocard?)
10:35<jebuz>yeah 512
10:36<jebuz>well nto on this with debian here i got a ati HD3650 on it
10:36<Txt-file>shows Debian gigabyte or gibibyte
10:36<snogglethorpe>... then it says "Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup"
10:36<jebuz>dunno says total: 3793380
10:36<avu>jebuz, that sounds about right
10:36<avu>jebuz, again with the 1000 vs. 1024 thing
10:36<snogglethorpe>... but it's an AMD system that doesn't afaik have an iommu...
10:37<jebuz>ok so what now?
10:37<fxiny>snogglethorpe: foxconn ?
10:37<jebuz>what next to do with debian :P
10:37<fxiny>the bios
10:37<Txt-file>jebuz: what you want
10:37<qq>jebuz: why swap 11gb ?
10:37<jebuz>i dont know
10:37<jebuz>just took install and did as i thought was right
10:38<qq>too much
10:38<snogglethorpe>fxiny: hmm the bios is Award I think
10:38<jebuz>to much out of 3.5tb?
10:38<Txt-file>jebuz: 11gb swap ... my debian only got 15gb
10:38<jebuz>hmm ok
10:38<fxiny>snogglethorpe: ok . i read about evil foxcon
10:38<jebuz>why so small txt?
10:38<Txt-file>why bigger?
10:38<snogglethorpe>fxiny: my understanding is that amd systems in general don't have an iommu
10:38<avu>Txt-file, bullshit.
10:39<snogglethorpe>fxiny: so the kernel warning seems a bit weird
10:39<avu>Txt-file, that formula hasn't been right in years
10:39<Txt-file>avu: in the past ... bla bla bla
10:39<snogglethorpe>avu: hmm I use a 5GB swap for my 4GB system
10:39<jebuz>hmm what was it that i had to write to get firefox?
10:39<snogglethorpe>avu: seems like that'll do
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10:39<fxiny>snogglethorpe: foxconn is not linux friendly
10:39<avu>snogglethorpe, which is quite a bit less than 2x :)
10:39<avu>snogglethorpe, and still mroe than you'll ever need
10:39<snogglethorpe>avu: yeah
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10:39<jebuz>what does swap do?
10:40<avu>snogglethorpe, (not that going a bit overboard is wrong with today's cheap harddisk space)
10:40<snogglethorpe>avu: the annoying thing is that the installer uses the old 23423x ram formula, and I actually had to go through a bunch of annoying shit to fix what it chose...
10:40<ohcibi|lappi>hi folks.. i'm trying to mount a nfs-export but it just dont work. after i press enter nothing happens
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10:40<jebuz>ok how do i install GLftpd ? anyone know?
10:41<snogglethorpe>fxiny: ?!
10:41<avu>snogglethorpe, I haven't ever used the automatic formating option of the installer so I wouldn't know :(
10:41<costa>jebuz: why not vsftpd?
10:41<fxiny>yes , there are instructions for a fix on the net
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10:42<avu>fxiny, do those instructions include the use of mayo=
10:42<SledgY>ohcibi|lappi: What are you typing to mount the nfs export?
10:42<jebuz>costa: why vsftpd :P
10:42<snogglethorpe>avu: seems attrctive at first though ... "surely the installer will pick halfway reasonable defaults"... :-(
10:42<costa>because it's regularly updated, and is in the std. debian repo's :)
10:42<ohcibi|lappi>SledgY: mount hostname:/path mountpoint it worked before, have done it this way everytime
10:42<costa>ive never used GL, but at least i know VS is better than PRO. :)
10:42<jebuz>ooh ok :)
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10:43<avu>jebuz, it's maintained, anti-bloat and secure
10:43<pumpkin0>jebuz: installing stuff from outside debian is slow and usually causes problems in the long run. Installting stuff from debian is no problem and should work first go.
10:43<ohcibi|lappi>theres no error or permission denied or something also.. ive tried to mount it on the host itselfs and it works...
10:43<fxiny>avu: don't remember . i've saved the page somewhere
10:44<MoRLoCh>ohcibi|lappi: do you have portmap running?
10:44<avu>fxiny, well, I've read the original article aswell as it was linked to on reddit. and I can't remember any mention of mayo :(
10:44<jebuz>ok, well can i just add the 6 disks now and restart the debian and it will find them?
10:44<ohcibi|lappi>MoRLoCh: yea
10:44<pumpkin0>jebuz: just. Power down BEFORE adding the disks, OK ?
10:44<SledgY>ohcibi|lappi: Any additional mount options?
10:44<fxiny>avu: i rememmber some intel disassembler . something like that
10:44<ohcibi|lappi>no ive done it this way 10 hours ago 8-)
10:45<jebuz>ofc pumpkin :P
10:45<ohcibi|lappi>and now it just happens nothing
10:45<SledgY>ohcibi|lappi: Does it just fail or take ages then fail?
10:45<ohcibi|lappi>it takes ages and then it takes still ages
10:45<avu>fxiny, acpi bios code disassembly, yes
10:45<fxiny>avu: right
10:45<ohcibi|lappi>and after it was taking ages it is going to take some more ages
10:45<SledgY>ohcibi|lappi: Ah yes, try adding these options: hard,intr
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10:47<fxiny>ohh i lost the 2*swap : i do not believe in that !
10:48<costa>i have a 1.5TB raid-5 swap volume
10:48<fxiny>1.5 ? hahahah tell me : how much been used ?
10:49*costa is prepared.
10:49<fxiny>seen ?
10:49<costa>im totally messin' :D
10:49<Txt-file>costa: how to get 500MB swaped?????
10:49<pumpkin0>So you have 1499.5 GB lying around doing nothing ?
10:50<costa>yes, because i love wasting space
10:50<costa>hehe, nah. my 1.5tb raid-5 is my /files
10:50<costa>where all my dvd rips go
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10:50<costa>among other things
10:51<costa>i use 6gb ram with 4gb swap
10:51<costa>the 4gb is actually way too much for my needs
10:51<fxiny>i do it easier debian LUKS way : sooooo nice :)
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10:51<costa>but i had the space to spare
10:51<costa>the os drive is a raptor 150gb
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10:53<fxiny>i'm doing my last etch backups : time to move my a* to lenny !
10:53<jebuz>hmm can i remove the cpu cooler without needing to put new pasta there?
10:53<costa>i moved to lenny last night
10:53<fxiny>this summer gotta be hot : debconf and lenny freeze !
10:53<costa>horray for newer repo's!
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10:54<SledgY>jebuz: depends on the type of thermal interface material
10:54<costa>i was eating shit and dying trying to make ffmpeg convert .mkv's in etch
10:54<fxiny>the news puppets start realizing there is a new debian stable coming :P
10:54<costa>due to old ass libs
10:54<costa>but things are better with lenny, my libavcodec pkg is 2.5 years newer, lol
10:54<jebuz>SledgY: yeah but just for a few seconds when im putting the disks in?
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10:55<SledgY>jebuz: The amount of time it's removed for doesn't really make any difference. But it's your CPU :P I don't recommend it though
10:56<newsense>my girlfriend doesnt believe this is a channel about computer related maaaaterial and says she seen a girl in here last night talking about big **** can someone tell her shes wrong
10:57<newsense>just woke upand this is what i have to p[ut up with
10:57<newsense>yeah lol
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10:57<Cheatah>must have been one of those spammers then
10:57<apecat>why do i see the most weird stuff when i browse through my open irc channels randomly :P
10:57<jebuz>well wasnt jenna here last night talking about **** ? :P no just kidding this is a channel where you talk about debian wich is an unix :)
10:57<fxiny>anyway : etch almost gone ? i had one one one minor problem , only one ! due to a file corruption prolly some torrent , dunno . alsamixer lost settings , just that . this been my only problem with etch
10:58<newsense>thanks all
10:58<fxiny>sweet life under stable
10:58<Txt-file>jebuz: 1s or 5min ... no different
10:59<jebuz>ok aint taking it off then
10:59<jebuz>gotta find another solution to add 2 more disks :P kinda small place between teh cpu and the diskholder
11:00<Txt-file>fxiny: sweet life under sid
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11:02<fxiny>Txt-file: not running sid since 2.4/2.6 transition
11:02<fxiny>Txt-file: got a pretty complicated desktop box : some with vserver . some LUKS and so on
11:02<fxiny>i care a split zero about eyecandy
11:03<erKURITA>what has eyecandy to do with unstable suite?
11:04<fxiny>i can say i was never bored but busy doing things with etch , still woody takes my breath away
11:04<erKURITA>my ~ is testing
11:05<fxiny>Txt-file: you doing tiling windows managers ?
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11:06<Txt-file>fxiny: my VPS has etch ... but when at home a PC will not work this is no problem
11:06<fxiny>cause damn ! i'll do that in lenny
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11:07<Txt-file>fxiny: tiling window-managers??? don't undertan
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11:07<costa>you mean like ion3 or fluxbox?
11:07<fxiny>Txt-file: look into it , i stronglu believe in tiling windows managers
11:07<fxiny>costa: yes
11:07<costa>i agree 100%
11:07<fxiny>costa: awesome . xmonad
11:07<costa>i am totally in love with ion3
11:08<fxiny>good news
11:08<costa>i won $1M ?
11:08<fxiny>costa: fluxbox is not tiling
11:08<fxiny>costa: wmii is
11:08<costa>ive never used fluxbox
11:08<costa>just ion3
11:09<costa>i will be soon though
11:09<Txt-file>fxiny: what ever ... I use gnome and nothing other ... amarok2 isn't installed cause it need KDE
11:09<costa>using ion3 again, that is
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11:09<fxiny>costa: i run flux . but after a day or two with wmii . when i go back to flux i have the feeling is like windows :)
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11:09<costa>how does wmii compare to ion3?
11:09<fxiny>Txt-file: amarok ? xmms2 rulez here
11:10<qq>vlc here
11:10<Txt-file>fxiny: rhythmbox ... is already installed
11:10<erKURITA><Txt-file> fxiny: what ever ... I use gnome and nothing other ... amarok2 isn't installed cause it need KDE <= kdebase
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11:10<erKURITA>which is like, 15% of the KDE manager
11:11<Txt-file>erKURITA: ok ... it need file from KDE :)
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11:11<fxiny>amarok is an eccellent player but i run my preferred apps always in screen sessions so xmms2 is perfect . so is rtorrent
11:11<fxiny>so amarok in a way sucks :P
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11:12<fxiny>nothing compares to screen , or mutt
11:12<erKURITA>I like amaroK because of the way it handles the library and the playlist
11:12<erKURITA>you can search a song it on-the-go
11:12<costa>speaking of torrents
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11:12<fxiny>erKURITA: xmms2 dos it better
11:12<Txt-file>anyone knows a good howto for build a beowulf??
11:12<erKURITA>and it can store the collection in a MySQL DB
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11:12<erKURITA>fxiny xmms looks way too similar to WinAMP
11:13<erKURITA>which I hate :<
11:13<fxiny>erKURITA: xmms2 not xmms
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11:13<fxiny>Txt-file: beowulf ?
11:13<fxiny>qq: are you in ?
11:13<qq>fxiny: try >>> moc<<< - ncurses based console audio player
11:14<dpkg>it has been said that beowulf is that nifty cluster technology at, or
11:14<erKURITA>fxiny beowulf cluster
11:14<erKURITA>or that
11:14<qq>apt-cache search moc
11:14<fxiny>erKURITA: ask qq
11:14<fxiny>qq: :))))
11:14<erKURITA>it's a cluster made from cheap computers using software on each node
11:14<qq>not now , i'm tired
11:14<fxiny>erKURITA: he has a deshutes cluster !
11:14<erKURITA>a what?
11:14<erKURITA>how do you eat that?
11:14<fxiny>yes !
11:15<fxiny>erKURITA: me qq and enouf are deshutes bros
11:15<erKURITA>Does that word even exist?
11:15<fxiny>but qq f* ! has a cluster of deshutes
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11:15<fxiny>qq: :)
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11:17*Txt-file eats sometime Nestle Clusters
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11:18<fxiny>Txt-file: nestle ? hehehe
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11:21*dxd imagines a beowulf cluster of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups
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11:21*fxiny builds daily many clusters of sliced bread and nutella
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11:25<costa><3 nutella
11:26*Txt-file hates nutella
11:26<jebuz>brb restart :)
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11:29<costa>u hates nutella?
11:30<Txt-file>costa: yeah
11:30<costa>pls mail all the nutella in your village to me
11:30<Txt-file>costa: no way ... my friends love nutella
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11:31<newsense>ill send ya all the nutella i hate it
11:32<newsense>usa's biggest mistake since spam
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11:43<costa>thank you newsense :P
11:43<costa>hey now, spam can be useful
11:44<costa>one time i was camoing at the beach, absolutely shitfaced
11:44<newsense>its all slimy and looks nasty
11:44<costa>and i took a whole can of spam, and put it on t stick
11:44<costa>and roasted it in the campfire
11:44<newsense>oh no
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11:44<costa>it gets better
11:44<costa>then half of it fell off my stick into the embers
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11:44<newsense>man i drank too much lat night and this is making me feel queezy
11:45<costa>ok, i'll spare you :)
11:45<newsense>i gotta hear it though
11:45<costa>an hour later
11:45<costa>i got the charred spam chunk out of the embers
11:45<costa>scraped off the ash, and finished it
11:45<costa>the worst part was, that the wood we were burning was eucalyptus
11:45<newsense>oh man lmao
11:45<costa>which makes a very very acidic smoke
11:46<newsense>did ya get sick ?
11:46<costa>so it was charred, sour-ish euca-spam
11:46<costa>the alcohol in my stomach must have slaughtered the euca-spam funk
11:46<newsense>would ya do it again?
11:46<costa>fuck no
11:46<costa>i was 17
11:47<newsense>lmao, i needed a good laugh, thanks'
11:47<costa>with the common sense of a gnat, comparitively speaking
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11:47<costa>i miss those camping trips though
11:48<costa>one day i spend all day fishing, ALL day, and as i was reeling in my line at night, pissed and dejected
11:48<costa>i caught ONE HERRING
11:48<newsense>where you live ?
11:48<costa>the monty python humor in my nearly caused me to catch fire
11:48<costa>i was in cali at the time
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11:48<costa>so naturally, after attemping to fell the largest tree in the vicinity with the herring
11:49<costa>i cooked it on the campfire
11:49<newsense>so youre from the u.s ?
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11:51<costa>i live in texas now
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11:51<newsense>i didnt know people here like nutell and spam
11:51<newsense>i thought we only exported it
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11:54<qq>newsense: : here we export nutella , and import nothing :)
11:55<newsense>use to export that and were once the biggest exporter of it
11:56<newsense>i live in chicago and dont drive anymore due to gas prices
11:56*newsense would love to move to europe, better health care
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11:57<lothar>Hi, I have targz my images that were created with qemu-img. Untaring them gives me bigger files than before. Are those files tar able ?
11:57<costa>i was born in cchi-town, newsense
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11:57<newsense>no way
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11:57<newsense>im a chi-town gangsa till i die
11:57<costa>oak park general hospital
11:57<costa>des plaines
11:58<newsense>i was born in harvey
11:58<newsense>ever been to a 2600 meeting ?
11:58<costa>ive wanted to
11:59<newsense>i went to one once here and it was crazy all these guys in black trench coats walking into starbucks with all kinds of hardware
11:59<costa>i read 2600 religiously
11:59<costa>way to blend in!
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11:59<newsense>he girls working there were like what are you guys
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12:00<fxiny>girls ? girls love nutella :P
12:00<newsense>stop it with that nutella stuff
12:00<newsense>my mom likes it
12:00<fxiny>just come back from a garage trip
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12:01<Txt-file>fxiny: not all girls lovfe nutelle
12:01<Ganneff>do you have anything ontopic? if not goto #debian-offtopic please.
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12:02<newsense>noones talking here neways
12:02<Ganneff>doesnt matter.
12:02<newsense>ok sorry
12:02<newsense>can we talk about gnutella
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12:03<Txt-file>jebuz: how's it working?
12:04<jebuz>real nice now :)
12:04<jebuz>but now i found another problem
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12:04<jebuz>added the disk but now it says "you dont have permission to mount that drive"
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12:06<Txt-file>jebuz: yeah ... you are not root
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12:06<jebuz>so i need to login as root and the passowrd?
12:06<fxiny>never , just type su
12:06<jebuz>and 1 disk is missing
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12:07<jebuz>hmm where?
12:07<fxiny>in a terminal
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12:07<fxiny>you rinnig kde ? in a konsole
12:08<fxiny>jebuz: you can use sudo , man sudo
12:08<fxiny>i dont
12:09<jebuz>ok now im logged in using terminal
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12:11<jebuz>so i would write sudo mount drivnumber?
12:11<lotha1>Hi, are disk images, created with qemu-img, movable or compressable ?
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12:12<Txt-file>jebuz: mount --help ... or man mount should help
12:12<fxiny>lotha1: iirc are compressed
12:13<lotha1>iirc ?
12:13<fxiny>if you ask me :)
12:13<lotha1>What is iirc ?
12:13<fxiny>ahhh : if i remember correctly
12:13<lotha1>Ok :-)
12:14*dxd misses dpkg
12:14<dxd>where are ya bud
12:15<fxiny>dxd: you hunting ? :P
12:15<lotha1>I have tried to tar gz my images, what results 1. in bigger files when untared and 2. they weren't any more usable. Don't boot :-(
12:15<dxd>he could have helpes with the acronym ;)
12:15<fxiny>lotha1: run : file qemu-img
12:16<Txt-file>jebuz: you lern not many if you only us copy and paste for setting up a system .. if you read the manuals and helps you should lern more than you need
12:16<lotha1>lothar@mac:~$ file qemu-img
12:16<lotha1>qemu-img: ERROR: cannot open `qemu-img' (No such file or directory)
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12:16<dxd>also .. learn to read manuals and understand them
12:17<dxd>it will improve your life
12:17<fxiny>lotha1: file /path/exact-qemu-img-name
12:17<jebuz>yeah im reading right now
12:17<jebuz>btw is there a client wich is similar to mIRC, XChat aint that something like mIRC?
12:17<fxiny>jebuz: with sudo you can skip giving root pass
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12:18<newsense>make sure your user password is a good one too
12:18<fxiny>jebuz: if you are happy with su + pass just su
12:18<Txt-file>dxd: that's true
12:18<fxiny>jebuz: but exit su asap
12:19<fxiny>think about a rm while su . you can damage your system
12:19<newsense>dont want any mistakes as root do ya ?
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12:19<fxiny>that's why sudo is somehow safest
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12:19<lotha1>Always RTFM :-) The images could be build upon a base image, thus changes are on the second and the base is 'read only'...
12:20<Txt-file>pebuz: irc: pidgin, kopete, ...
12:20<fxiny>what ?
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12:20<fxiny>jebuz: do it right from the beginning : irssi
12:21<fxiny>yes : the holy trimurti : screen mutt and irssi
12:21<dxd>yes its a killer combo
12:22<dxd>esp when you have many locations from which to access
12:22<fxiny>i refuse to consider holy xmms2 , too young and most inmportant etch version name is "gonzo" :P
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12:24<jebuz>ok downloaded irssi gonna check "howto install"
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12:24<fxiny>jebuz: why ? let apt aptitude installing it
12:25<jebuz>i would
12:26<fxiny>jebuz: are you running gnome or kde ?
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12:27<jebuz>the lenny :P
12:27<fxiny>right , so open a gnome terminal , irssi runs in a terminal
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12:29<fxiny>jebuz: gnome terminal has tabs , just play with tabs
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12:30<EmleyMoor>Will there be a "frozen" tag this cycle?
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12:33<dxd>EmleyMoor, pardon, what do you mean?
12:33<dxd>lenny is going stable
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12:33<EmleyMoor>Will lenny be tagged "frozen" during its forthcoming release cycle, befoe it goes stable?
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12:34<jebuz>hmm doesnt understand a shit about it :P
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12:34<valdyn>EmleyMoor: sure
12:34<dxd>ahh.. from what i understand yes.. but others will be more know more about that
12:35<dxd> dates etc
12:35<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Good - at least I know I'm not watching for something that isn't going to happen
12:35<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its something like that now already
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12:36<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Meaning it's getting close to the point when the frozen tag will appear?
12:36<valdyn>EmleyMoor: but yet its only asking developers to treat new uploads like they will be in lenny and are ready for being in lenny
12:36<valdyn>EmleyMoor: freeze comes later..
12:37<valdyn>EmleyMoor: "close" like few weeks, maybe
12:37<valdyn>EmleyMoor: no one knows that
12:37<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the release goals are not yet met, so it cant be frozen
12:37<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Exactly - no-one can say when for sure
12:37<EmleyMoor>I am however watching for the right thing as per my strategy
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12:37<Txt-file>jebuz: about what?
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12:38<valdyn>EmleyMoor: well, yes, but freeze doesnt mean that much
12:38<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I have always "adopted" in the early stages of a freeze up until now - have been doing for the last 9 years.
12:39<EmleyMoor>I know it doesn't actually mean that much
12:40<fxiny>strategy ? i'm backing up all my etch , freeze coming , WIR ? ""september WIR , we danced until the night became a brand new day"
12:40<valdyn>EmleyMoor: main thing is that the huge transitions should be over, making lenny relatively stable
12:40<EmleyMoor>I am bringing my backup strategy back up to date next week so at least I will be ready on that score
12:40<EmleyMoor>What comes after lenny?
12:41<valdyn>hmm, nothing
12:41<fxiny>where'as the damned mail with the ascii holy cow announcing lenny freeze ?
12:41<dxd>dpkg netsplit
12:41<Txt-file>we lost dpkg
12:41<jebuz>ok apt-get
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12:43<dxd>wow .. Im looking forward to lenny .. my 'etch' box was built when sarge went stable..
12:44<valdyn>i totally dont know debian at all if it will release in september as announced
12:44<fxiny>valdyn: YES !
12:44<dxd>havnt updated as it was a single purpose machine.
12:44<jebuz>ok tried this "apt-get -qq install '/home/-user-/irssi-text'"
12:44<jebuz>or should i write sodu before?
12:44<valdyn>maybe november
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12:44<EmleyMoor>I am trying to remember at what stage this incarnation was first built - I seem to recall it may have been back in the potato days
12:44<fxiny>valdyn: i mean that is the url i was looking for :)
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12:44<valdyn>fxiny: aye
12:44<EmleyMoor>jebuz: sodu too! <g>
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12:45<fxiny>EmleyMoor: seen the cow ? < We freeze next week! >
12:45*EmleyMoor suspects jebuz actually meant sudo
12:46<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Yes, I saw the cow. I see no frozen though
12:46<dxd>its like calling a pokemon for battle
12:46<jebuz>sudo i meant :P
12:47<jebuz>wtf it says -user- is not in sudoers file. hmm
12:47<jebuz>google time
12:47<knopperdoodle>could someone help me with a X problem? i log in as my usual user, then run startx. the NVIDIA logo comes up and the screen goes all static/checkerboard black/white. then i get an error message. it says "Xsession: warning: unable to write to /tmp; X session may exit now with an error." i have to click OK and i'm dropped to the shell.
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12:48<fxiny>jebuz: man sudo man visudo man sudoers
12:48<EmleyMoor>I gather lenny will contain iceweasel 3
12:48<valdyn>knopperdoodle: so fix you /tmp
12:48<valdyn>knopperdoodle: can you write to it?
12:48<knopperdoodle>good question
12:48<dxd>knopperdoodle, what are perms on /tmp and is the partition is resides on full?
12:49<knopperdoodle>piped the output of ls to a text file and got this: "ls: write error: No space left on device"
12:49<knopperdoodle>is tmp a filesystem or just a file?
12:49<valdyn>knopperdoodle: now what could that possibly mean?
12:49<valdyn>knopperdoodle: its a directory
12:50<EmleyMoor>It is a directory. It is prudent to make it a filesystem on its own but by no means essential
12:50<knopperdoodle>i deleted the file and recreated it then chmodded it to make it writable.
12:50<valdyn>knopperdoodle: what the fuck
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12:51<knopperdoodle>ok. i'm going to stop doing things
12:51<fxiny>knopperdoodle: is your home full ?
12:51<knopperdoodle>what do you suggest?
12:51<valdyn>knopperdoodle: free up space its the device is no longer full
12:51<dxd>free up space on whatever partition your /tmp is on
12:51<valdyn>knopperdoodle: free up space so the device is no longer full
12:52<dxd>knopperdoodle, invoke ` du -h `
12:52<fxiny>i bet is a dvd rip eating /var/tmp
12:52<dxd>thats a not a joke about doing somethinf dopey either ;)
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12:53<dxd>pardon me.. thats 'df -h'
12:54<fxiny>anyway this home full thing upset me : i set rtorrent up not to fill my home up , but apps like torrent , dvd cloning and such ,should do it by default
12:55<fxiny>schedule = low_diskspace,5,60,close_low_diskspace=100M
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12:57<pumpkin0>what happens if a sparse file (4GB) on a small ext2 volume (2GB) starts to fill up the drive? Anything nasty?
12:58<fxiny>nothing should happen
12:58<fxiny>why ?
12:59<pumpkin0>rtorrent uses spares files. And it will fill the stick in the night. But i don't want to have a HD spinning all night right beside my bed...
12:59*EmleyMoor amends his backups crontab so that the next one that runs will be next Saturday morning's megadump
13:00<pumpkin0>fxiny: it is ok if it just stops with a out-of-space ...
13:00<fxiny>pumpkin0: so set it like above schedule = low_diskspace,5,60,close_low_diskspace=100M
13:00<EmleyMoor>Got nearly 60 gig free to do it in - hope that's enough
13:00<fxiny>rtorrent will just stop
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13:01<pumpkin0>fxiny: can i put that config into rtorrent while it runs ?
13:01<fxiny>pumpkin0: yes it is ok . you can resume rtorrent as usual , it happened to me many times
13:01<pumpkin0>fxiny: nice. thanks.
13:01<fxiny>pumpkin0: while it runs ? don't think so . ctrl q , add the line and restart
13:02<pumpkin0>fxiny: it took rtorrent 3 hours to build up a good ratio. I'm not exiting it now ...
13:03<fxiny>pumpkin0: why you using ext2 ? it's not safe
13:04<valdyn>pumpkin0: uh?
13:04<valdyn>pumpkin0: why would restarting it change anything?
13:04<fxiny>pumpkin0: i use ext2 only for /boot partition
13:04<knopperdoodle>not safe?
13:04<pumpkin0>fxiny: ext3 makes even more writes to flash-chip
13:04<fxiny>valdyn: you right , restarting should not change ratio
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13:05<fxiny>pumpkin0: i get many "rsync" errors lately with rtorrent
13:05<fxiny>pumpkin0: flash chip ? is it for security ? why don't you LUKS your box up ?
13:06<valdyn>fxiny: noise
13:06<pumpkin0>fxiny: that box has 2 USB-sticks for storage. And yes, it is about noise.
13:06<fxiny>valdyn: i see
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13:07<dxd>dpkg, hello
13:07<dpkg>hola, dxd
13:08<fxiny>knopperdoodle: ext2 is not journaled
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13:08<valdyn>pumpkin0: i think you are misunderstanding how torrent works
13:08<valdyn>pumpkin0: if you get decent downloads only after 3 hours, thats pure luck / bad luck, not some ratio
13:09<fxiny>pumpkin0: valdyn is riught
13:09<_snow>hi all
13:09<valdyn>pumpkin0: torrents start procudure is just at most few minutes
13:09<fxiny>you can get good ratio after a sec or after an hour
13:10<valdyn>pumpkin0: and that good download might be finished after just a bit
13:10<fxiny>s/sec/minutes :)
13:10<valdyn>pumpkin0: after which it will be slow again, or not, luck
13:10<pumpkin0>valdyn: this torrent has 2 seeders and 5 leecher. And the server is appling this rule:
13:10<valdyn>pumpkin0: oh, THAT few
13:10<fxiny>pumpkin0: ctrl q and restart : you'll find again those 2 seeders
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13:10<pumpkin0>valdyn: so the client with the higher ratio gets a bit more ...
13:11<valdyn>pumpkin0: that should go by ip or by login
13:11<valdyn>pumpkin0: persist over client restarts
13:11<valdyn>pumpkin0: persisting over client restarts
13:11<pumpkin0>valdyn: i hope so. But i will not test it ...
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13:12<knopperdoodle>ok. there is plenty of space on my hdd. i don't think that is why i cant write to /tmp
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13:12<valdyn>knopperdoodle: we *know* that the device is full
13:12<valdyn>knopperdoodle: dont tell us something else, paste the output of df -h on a paste site for someone to explain to you how its read
13:13*fxiny sends an abacus to knopperdoodle
13:13<fxiny>knopperdoodle: :)
13:14<dxd>abacus buffer overflow
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13:15<knopperdoodle>the device is not full. root can write to it. root can start X. regular user cannot
13:15<knopperdoodle>x is running right now as root
13:16<knopperdoodle>getting the output of dh now
13:16<valdyn>knopperdoodle: oh please
13:16<valdyn>knopperdoodle: why dont you do what we said?
13:16<dxd>with regards to an abacus I guess the data buffer would be the abacus operator
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13:16<valdyn>knopperdoodle: ext3 reserves ~5% for root only
13:16<knopperdoodle>yeah. i dont have a connection on that box
13:16<pumpkin0>dxd: that is a stone overflow, not buffer. bufer was invented later...
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13:22<daners>Boa tarde pessoal, alguem pode me ajudar com uma dificuldade no debian lenny?
13:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:44<enouf>fxiny: ~$ grep Deschutes /var/log/dmesg
13:44<enouf>CPU: Intel Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping 02
13:45<fxiny>enouf: all eyes can see : CPU0: Intel Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping 01
13:45<fxiny>enouf: :)
13:45<enouf>fxiny: are you have Desladders for your tree project ;-)
13:45<enouf>together we make 'Des Chutes and Ladders'
13:46<fxiny>enouf: qq can't grep his clusterillaz cause he will flood :P
13:46<enouf>fxiny: | xargs
13:46<fxiny>enouf: heheheh
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13:48<fxiny>enouf: done todady my last etch backups set , going to lenny next week
13:49<enouf>fxiny: already? no waiting? attaboy \o/
13:49<fxiny>enouf: you know ? i have 6 etch ;)
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13:49<enouf>haha .. i'm slowly moving stuff around myself
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13:50<fxiny>enouf: hard to remember every details , i keep backups just in case
13:50<fxiny>enouf: i feel like packing :P
13:50<enouf>yeah, same here
13:51<enouf>haha - gotta pick the fruit and prepare for winter :-P
13:51<fxiny>enouf: todday i realized etch went like a flash : so many things i've done with etch
13:51<enouf>fxiny: you know much about File systems?
13:51<enouf>fxiny: yep April 2007
13:51<enouf>fxiny: yep April 7, 2007 to be precise
13:52<fxiny>enouf: yes
13:52<enouf>i recall writing up some factoids :-P
13:52<fxiny>enouf: File systems ?
13:52<enouf>fxiny: oh ,, ok, aye .. listen
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13:53<enouf>fxiny: i have a 8GB HDD, 6.5GB full ... now, i rync'd /usr/share over to another HDD, and made a /usr/share symlink there, all is well
13:54<enouf>er, /usr/share/ symlink to there
13:54<enouf>fxiny: /usr/share is ~ 1GB
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13:56<enouf>now, my 8GB has 5.5GB full - feels much happier ;-) .. now, /usr/share/* stuffs are slowly added over time.. and i'm thinking the blocks it was occupying were spreaed out all over the HDD, i'd like to cluster those blocks together, as in 'contiguous' and rewrite to that
13:56<fxiny>enouf: 589M on my fat box and 660M here
13:57<enouf>well, it was 98x MB to be exact, but
13:57<fxiny>enouf: cluster ? is it in a dedicated partion ?
13:58<fxiny>i mean you symlinking it to a partition ?
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13:58<enouf>and note, 8GB HDD has ext3 .. place it was copied to has reiserfs 3.6 .. 98x MB became 912MB O_o
13:59<enouf>fxiny: not dedicated partition, but you get the idea
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13:59<fxiny>enouf: anyway : the easiest way i know about having a better "contiguous" fs is : empty your partition and refill it again
13:59<enouf>fxiny: hence, i'm trying ;-) but slowly, one huge dir at a time :-P
14:00<enouf>fxiny: i already did it with my /home/user a while ago (540MB or so)
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14:00<fxiny>enouf: if i want to do it i cp all / rm the f* lot and cp again . this makes all nicely contiguos
14:01<fxiny>enouf: i use mirrodir for that
14:01<enouf>fxiny: it becomes very painful trying to browse /usr/share/doc/ say, which has 1300+ dirs ;-)
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14:02<fxiny>enouf: you can mirrordir a partition in a large /another/big-partition/dir and back again
14:04<fxiny>enouf: i found rsync slower then mirrordir
14:04<enouf>fxiny: i see - ok .. well, here's the deal, i was thnking about; the old blocks i copied FROM the 8GB HDD are now marked as free - but they are still scattered all about - and if i just copy back, the writes will also go back to those exact blocks - so, i thought if i do a dd if=/dev/zero of=/usr/BIG-BLANK-FILE bs=1G count=1 <-- might help allocate blocks together contiguously
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14:05<enouf>fxiny: i'm more curious than anything - and what i will end up doing is using either a new partition to copy over everything, then retire this HDD, and/or leave it where i copied to and use that disk .. or use a hew HDD
14:06<enouf>~$ apt-cache show mirror
14:06<enouf>mirror mirrordir mirrormagic mirrormagic-data
14:06<fxiny>enouf: is not going back those exact blocks , dd is not good for what you want . you want to fill it completely up ? i'd rather use scrub
14:08<enouf>fxiny: well, i even thought of going one step further, and mkfs.ext2 BIG-BLANK-FILE ; and cp over onto it , and mount it there
14:08<enouf>fxiny: as a loop device :-P
14:08<fxiny>enouf: scrub will fill everything up then will delete , i use it for sanitizing
14:08<enouf>fxiny: i know, i want zeros though, not random data ;-)
14:08<enouf>fxiny: there;s secure-delete too.. not to mention dban and stuff
14:09<fxiny>enouf: scrub does a good job , secure-delete eats your hd
14:09<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. were you the one who tried it?
14:09<enouf>gah - sorry man
14:10<fxiny>enouf: scrub -S -p nnsa -r -X /mnt/point or whatever
14:10<fxiny>enouf: i hate secure delete , was someone in chan messing with it and ending with a borked box
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14:11<enouf>fxiny: to find out what i want to know, i'm gouing to do some looking with hex editors / xxd and such, and find the sparse areas - make note of them, then create the BIG-FILE - then look again
14:11<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. now i recall - that's right - but it was a weenie ;-)
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14:12<fxiny>enouf: YES ,heheheh
14:12<enouf>fxiny: the fool did not follow the instructs, nor read the docs and just willy nilly started using it
14:12<enouf>fxiny: but yes, i recall, you confirmed a BUG you found in it
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14:14<fxiny>enouf: i know of dd/urandom , badblocks/random and scrub . scrub is fast
14:15<enouf>~$ apt-cache show scrub
14:15<enouf>W: Unable to locate package scrub
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14:15<fxiny>enouf: is not in etch , you can compile it and run it lame way ./scrub :)
14:15<enouf>fxiny: i use lenny/sid :-P
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14:16<fxiny>enouf: should be in sid at least !
14:16<enouf>fxiny: i have all repos and sections avail (main contrib non-free) so i can search and not worry
14:16<enouf>well, i haven't updated in a few weeks?
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14:17<enouf>fxiny: otherwise, i'll end up setting up rmadison or something
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14:18<enouf>ok fxiny - here's what i got now on the 8GB disk /dev/hdc1 8364900 5416616 2523368 69% / plus swap which is hdc2 @ 400MB
14:18<fxiny>enouf: looking for scrub
14:19<enouf>fxiny: don't bother bud - i want zeros ;-)
14:19<fxiny>dd then
14:19<enouf>here, more human ;-) /dev/hdc1 8.0G 5.2G 2.5G 69% /
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14:20<fxiny>enouf: don't you have a 5.2G free somewhere ?
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14:20<fxiny>i'd clear all m zero out if you want , and cp back again
14:21<fxiny>s/m/, :)
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14:22<fxiny>enouf: there must be a scrub_1.9-2_i386.deb somewhere in this planet : i have it !
14:22<enouf>fxiny: here, wanna see pretty cool? try this ~$ xxd -a /dev/hdc2 | less <-- note, that's my swap partition, so play with something you don't care about till you're comfortable
14:22<enouf>fxiny: haha
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14:24<fxiny>enouf: is an official deb !
14:24<fxiny>how comes you can't find it ?
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14:26<enouf>fxiny: one sec
14:26<fxiny>look at this :§ion=all gives > Package libhtml-scrubber-perl , wt4x !
14:26<fxiny>and i have it , of course not insytalled
14:27<enouf>fxiny: libhtml-scrubber-perl
14:27<fxiny>enouf: browsinfg a repo
14:28<enouf>can you stop the scrub crap already please? i'd rather have some nutella :-P
14:28<mordy_>hello all
14:29<fxiny>enouf: ahhhh :
14:29<fxiny>maybe is not official at all
14:30<enouf>fxiny: haha - moving /usr/share completely broke the stupid kmenu , .. hahahaha
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14:31<fxiny>enouf: icons ?
14:31<mordy_>hehe, never move anything until you know what reads from it. golden rule
14:31<fxiny>enouf: i see a scrub version 2 , hmmm
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14:32<fxiny>enouf: no . securedelete will frigging gentoosmite your hd
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14:32<enouf>00fffff: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................ <-- 1 MB free and clear -all Zeros --> 0202fff: 0002 0000 000c 0001 022e 0000 0002 0000 ................
14:32<fxiny>enouf: good shot :)
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14:34<enouf>mordy_: bah, kde menu has always been crap - i don't give a crap - it's been broken more times than not, lmao
14:34<fxiny>enouf: and what about using dump pipe to gzip for a full backup ? any free space ? 5.2 should come down to 2.5 maybe 3 or even less
14:34<enouf>fxiny: sure .. yep..
14:35<enouf>fxiny: tar + gzip
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14:35<fxiny>enouf: tar , yes yes ,just enmpyt that partitiuon and refill it again . it will be sooooo contiguos :)
14:35<enouf>fxiny: ;-)
14:36<fxiny>enouf: anyway dump is not that bad , i use partimage but dump can be browseable
14:36<mordy_>gah, my computers aren't having any problems now. i hate this :(
14:37<fxiny>and dump is so bbb ssss ddd :P
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14:39<mordy_>it's good when you have many computers, each with its own problem, you learn a lot like that. but now all three of mine are working fine (although there are other problems, those are more related to hardware limitations, and not something i could do about)
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14:42<AHemlocksLie>I'm trying to change the default gateway, or whatever it's called (the IP of my router), from to How would I do this?
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14:42<mordy_>Ahemlockslie - change it /etc/network/interfaces
14:42<AHemlocksLie>okay, thanks
14:42<fxiny>man route
14:42<fxiny>add and del
14:43<fxiny>of course if not set in /etc/network/interfaces
14:43<mordy_>fxiny, what reads from what?
14:44<fxiny>mordy_: i do route add default gw all the time , del will remove it
14:44<mordy_>well, my impression is that route is more global than interfaces, but i don't know
14:45<mordy_>yeah, i'm just asking about conflicting entries
14:45<enouf>i don't think one can alter the actual router's internal looking address without having that option in it's menus/admin, or getting into the firmware, however .. with telnet or whatever
14:45<enouf>route != router address , iinm
14:46<fxiny>he said default gw so route del bla bla and route add bla bla
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14:46<mordy_>yeah, if he wants to change the address *of* the router, then he will need to look into the router. if he simply has a new router (or has already changed the address *of* his router) then he can configure a different address *to* the router
14:46<enouf>i access my admin menu through say, .. how to change that? i dunno - and yep, he did say default gateway - which does == route fxiny ;-)
14:47<fxiny>enouf: ;)
14:47<valdyn>enouf: you have a router that has no ip address that you can change?
14:47<mordy_>hehe, you can have DNS for your router too :p
14:47<valdyn>enouf: i dont think such a thing exists
14:47<mordy_>valdyn, there are some pretty crappy routers out there with stubborn firmware
14:48<enouf>valdyn: i'm suer i'm confusing myself, not being clear, and besides, all this crap confuddles me ;-)
14:49<enouf>i haven't actually looked in a while - let me probe the sucker again now
14:50<enouf>valdyn: duh .. how foolish of me, yep, it's right there under LAN settings O_o
14:50<mordy_>i'm thinking about installing bind9 on a network share, then connecting the network share to the router, so the router can run DNS, but i'm afraid of doing that - don'twant to screw with my internet connection
14:51<mordy_>i don't even know if it's possible at all - nor what bind requires
14:51<enouf>LAN TCP/IP IP Address: ____ . ____ . ____ . ____ hehehe
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14:52<mordy_>anyone ever tried real DNS on a router?
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14:52<enouf>valdyn: i think i was referring to my cable modem originally ... sigh
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14:53<mordy_>well, you can probably change the internal ip of the cable modem too, although there's really no point. would be nice to know if both the cable modem and the router can operate on the same subnet - but that would mean extra routes
14:53<enouf>mordy_: well, i thought of doing the same... ever since my isps dns servers seem to be crapping out - might as well be dialup ..
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14:54<enouf>so i started by reading the recent DSAs at
14:54<dpkg>hmm... dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via to install software and such on Debian Project computers
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14:54<mordy_>hehe, how would that help with your ISP's problems?
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14:55<dxd>mordy_, if you build the router yourself its not difficult to install any number of useful stuff on it
14:55<enouf>mordy_: i'm talking my own DNS - caching DNS - what are you talking about?
14:55<mordy_>oh, i'm speaking about that as well..
14:55<fxiny>once upon a time this f* isp of mine was giving away a datacom modem which was in reality a router , so many ppl were busy flashing it ending up with many borked routers/modems , so the thing is : are you sure yours is a modem ? could be a router :P
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14:56<mordy_>hehe, i have two boxes, i have a modem and a router attached to it. the modem also acts a a router, but only has one physical outlet
14:56<fxiny>i can tell you my router is a debian box , no way i change it with a f* isp router
14:56<enouf>mordy_: yep, the (certain) cable modems have *nixes one can install on them - all depends on make/model
14:56<fxiny>and i pay no extra :P
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14:57<mordy_>well, my router has dd-wrt on it - but not enough memory. it supports dnsmasq, but it's not enough for what i need
14:57<enouf>fxiny: my router is a very small hardware 4 + 1 port jobby .. 25$ :-p
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14:58<fxiny>enouf: no cable here so modem + swithc and fantasy ;)
14:58<mordy_>mine is an overpriced POS, but it has three antennae on it - which is pretty good when i was using WDS with someone else's hijacked wifi :|
14:58<enouf>mordy_: referring back to crappy routers - i bet there are some/many DSL related combo Modem/Router suckass jobbies that don't allow any changes :-P
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14:59<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. how nice ;-)
14:59<fxiny>many modems are routers in disguise , the industry is lazy and pennyless :P
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14:59<mordy_>yeah, i want to set up a DNS server as well as a proxy server. but i don't want it on another computer - i want it on the dd-wrt box
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15:01<fxiny>enouf: now i'm sure you'll cry : you should see how dear mister fantasy plays tunes;)
15:02<mordy_>of course the only way i can do that is by having a network share attached to the router. the only questions i have so far is whether (1) is it doable? and (2) is it 'hotpluggable' in the sense that the router would still function (albeit without all that functionality) if the share was down
15:02<fxiny>enouf: this is deep . oooooo soooo deep :)
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15:10<norton->Which of the suspend-to-disk alternatives does Debian use as default when echoing 4 to /proc/acpi/sleep?
15:10*enouf smacks fxiny with stevie winwood
15:11*fxiny lights a candle for Jim Capaldi
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15:11<enouf>isn't it /sys/power/state now? .. erm, ok, i guess not in etch ;-) /proc/acpi is/was being deprecated, but that's in .24 vanilla, and maybe later in debian, if ever
15:11<hsuj>Hey how do i automatically skip the stupid ctrl-D maintenance after a crash?
15:12<valdyn>hsuj: not at all
15:12<valdyn>hsuj: its there for a reason.
15:12<enouf>you type in root passwd ;-)
15:12<norton->enouf: oh, didn't know that
15:13<fxiny>kutio: is not stupid , i had one last week and it was damned right
15:13<fxiny>hsuj: ^^^
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15:17<adam2508>hey guys
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15:22<pelmon>what's the difference between 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 and 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5etch1 ?
15:22<pelmon>is 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 the more recent one?
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15:28<pelmon>fxiny: you around?
15:29<enouf>pelmon: etch2 should be newer
15:29<enouf>yeah, 5.1+etch2 should be newer than -5etch1
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15:30<enouf>if you want to know exactly what changed .. see guess what - yep, changelogs ;-)
15:31<enouf>could try browing, use websvn/wsvn
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15:32<hsuj>i ve 2 servers, one won t do it since i installed daemontools
15:32<hsuj>somehow, it ll recover from a crash without human intervention
15:33<pelmon>ok. i noticed that some packaged i had installed previously, then uninstalled, did not need to be downloaded again if i chose to install them again. i'm assuming these files are stored somewhere on my system. i'd like to delete them to clear up space.
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15:34<pelmon>...where are they stored?
15:34<fxiny> i'm around . they are in /var/cache/apt/ar* , apt-get clear will do
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15:34<vyrgozunqk>hi guys :/
15:35<vyrgozunqk> have a problem with my newly installed lenny
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15:35<pelmon>right. forgot about apt-get clear
15:36<vyrgozunqk>when enable direct rendering i can't get above 60 Hz refresh rate
15:36<pelmon>E: Invalid operation clear
15:37<fxiny>pelmon: i'm sure you'll remember next :P
15:37<vyrgozunqk>i'm using fglrx and radeon 9550, installed kernel - sources fglrx-glx and etc. i have configured xorg...
15:37<pelmon>yeah. clean
15:37<vyrgozunqk>but when i enable the damn direct rendering i get a 60 Hz V refresh rate... can somebody help me ?
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15:39<fxiny>enouf: so ? any news ? how's the contiguity ended ?
15:39<enouf>fxiny: i gave up for now - too lazy ;-)
15:39<fxiny>enouf: must be *very* ammontillado then ;)
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15:53<pelmon>i ran this command after getting an error message from a configure script that my c could not create executables
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16:08<pelmon> /sigh
16:09<pelmon>fxiny: got a sec
16:09<pelmon>sorry to keep bothering you
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16:10<qdii>hey, there's that console on KDE that is called "Konsole". But which one is the default one under gnome ?
16:11<qq>terminal ?
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16:14<qq>pelmon: put your sources.list to previous state , apt-get update , and use aptitude to install
16:17<pelmon>so... using apt-get is different from using aptitude. is using aptitude "better"?
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16:18<qq>pelmon: so , you must not change sources.list w/o knowing what you do
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16:20<pelmon>i hadn't realized i had
16:20<pelmon>not really sure what happened there
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16:21<qq>pelmon: so , back to etch in sources.list , and be happy
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16:23<pelmon>ok one more time.
16:23<pelmon>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
16:23<pelmon> libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5) but 2.7-10 is to be installed
16:23<witte>pelmon: you have mixed sources.list
16:24<pelmon>lemme paste my sources.list. i cant see it
16:24<witte>pelmon: can you upload /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastbin
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16:24<Cheatah>first clear your local cache
16:24<Cheatah>aptitude clean
16:25<witte>Cheatah: does that also remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin
16:25<h2-gw>pelmon, which do you normally use, apt-get or aptitude? don't mix them
16:25<h2-gw>use one or the other
16:25<pelmon>i usually use apt-get
16:25<h2-gw>then use apt-get
16:25<pelmon>i think i'm going to switch though
16:25<h2-gw>aptitude doesn't know what you've done
16:25<h2-gw>you have to prep your system to switch
16:26<h2-gw>aptitude uses its own db
16:26<h2-gw>sort of
16:26<h2-gw>you have to do some stuff first, correctly, to switch
16:27<witte>pelmon: except for the pg thing, your list is ok
16:27<h2-gw>I just started experimenting with aptitude, but I wouldn't use it on any system built and maintained with apt-get initially
16:27<witte>pelmon: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin
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16:27<witte>pelmon: then update and dist-upgrade
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16:28<pelmon>update with aptitude?
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16:29<h2-gw>pelmon, did you read what I wrote?
16:29<h2-gw>I wasn't speaking metaphorically
16:29<pelmon>right. so stick with apt-get?
16:29<h2-gw>yes, until you read up on what you need to do to switch
16:29<h2-gw>and you need to do that first
16:29<h2-gw>I'd stick with apt-get
16:30<h2-gw>what debian are you using?, testing?
16:30<qq>pelmon: do you really need "deb-src" ?
16:30<pelmon>dunno. do i
16:30<h2-gw>etch is simple
16:30<h2-gw>you just do: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
16:30<qq>comment out all deb-src
16:31<h2-gw>if it started out as etch, it shouldn't need dist-upgrade if I understand it right
16:31<h2-gw>it's a good idea to do that out of X though
16:31<h2-gw>then restart x after you're done, to be on the safe side
16:32<h2-gw>but with etch that doesn't matter as much
16:32<pelmon>ok. i run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade daily.
16:32<pelmon>everything should be up to date
16:32<h2-gw>etch doesn't change much, it's very serene and peaceful
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16:33<qq>repaste your sources.list
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16:38<DaCapn>Anyone else have a rather unstable version of Iceweasel after the latest update available for Etch?
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16:42<witte>pelmon: what's your status
16:42<pelmon>a guys gotta eat
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16:44<qq>comment line 7 too
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16:46<h2-gw>dacapn which version of iceweasel?
16:46<DaCapn>The latest in the etch repository.
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16:47<h2-gw>did you create a new profile, and upgrade your extensions before upgrading?
16:47<h2-gw>oh, ok, it's the old one
16:47<h2-gw>usually instability like taht is profile corruption
16:47<h2-gw>try starting it with a new profile, and see if the instability persists
16:47<h2-gw>iceweasel -profilemanager
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16:49<witte>DaCapn: can you test if other users experience the same problem
16:49<DaCapn>Other users?
16:49<witte>DaCapn: make a user called "test"
16:50<witte>DaCapn: log in under that name, and use iceweasel :-)
16:50<witte>DaCapn: you can leave this wm open in the meanwhile
16:50<jebuz>DHCP deamon state is now 3 (renew) for interface eth0 ? means?
16:51<DaCapn>I'm just establishing what you were referring to. Thanks h2-gw. I will check on these things in a moment.
16:51<witte>DaCapn: just make the user, go to ctrl-alt-f1; log in as test, and type "startx -- :1"
16:52<witte>DaCapn: this window will remain open on ctrl-alt-F
16:52<witte>DaCapn: ctrl-alt-F7
16:52<DaCapn>I know.
16:52<witte>the other on F8
16:52<witte>ah, ok
16:52<witte>sorry :-)
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16:52<DaCapn>It's okay, heh. Better too much information that too little.
16:52<h2-gw>dacapn, by other users, basically is asking if other profiles are having the same issue, bu tyou can know for sure by creating a new profile for yourself, empty, with no extensions, and see if roblems persist
16:53<h2-gw>iceweasel has never had a strong extension system, and old extensions can and do corrupt the profile
16:53<witte>h2-gw: true
16:53<h2-gw>the 2 -3 upgrade of iceweasel required a careful testing of your extensions prior to the upgrade
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17:04<pelmon>so. i edited my sources.list, but none of that solved my original problem.
17:05<gilmar>ola a todos
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17:06<mordy_>how do i restard acpid?
17:07<pelmon>mordy_: ./etc/init.d/acpid restart
17:07<pelmon>i think. dont take my word on that
17:08<gn00b>having some serious issues installing deluge-torrent. this is aptitide - this is dpkg -i deluge-torrent -
17:09<pelmon>is that how dpkg works?
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17:09<gn00b>this is my 2nd day with linux/debian. i'm assuming it is from what i've read
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17:11<DaCapn>Yeah, it looks like it is probably a corrupted profile.
17:12<Nemoder>gn00b: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources/list
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17:13<DaCapn>What's the easiest way to migrate everything to a new profile?
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17:14<ooter>gn00b: you might want to try this one:
17:15<ooter>your deps look like etch, and I only see a deluge in etch-backports
17:16<pelmon>mordy_: did that work?
17:16<Nemoder>hmm you shouldn't need both stable and etch as they are the same thing right now
17:17<mordy_>pelmon - "Device or resource busy".
17:18<pelmon>yeah: now that i think about it, are you sure you can just restart acpid?
17:18<mordy_>basically my problem si that my CPU doesn't seem to want to jump to the next step (it has four states, 600, 800, 1000 and 1200) despite it being with a 50%+ load on the lowest state
17:18<Nemoder>gn00b: I would change it to this:
17:18<pelmon>what do those numbers represent?
17:18<mordy_>pelmon, frequency in Mhz :p
17:19<Nemoder>gn00b: or this might be better if you want nonfree:
17:20<gn00b>thank you
17:21<Nemoder>gn00b: then make sure to run aptitude update, then try installing the apps again
17:21<pelmon>any idea why i cant seem to install libc6-dev g++ and c++?
17:21<pelmon>or what that output means?
17:22<witte>pelmon: did you rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin
17:23<pelmon>witte: yes
17:23<witte>pelmon: and you updated afterwards?
17:23<witte>pelmon: dpkg -l |grep libc6
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17:24<pelmon>shows i have 2.7-10 installed
17:24<witte>pelmon, you you have the etch version installed
17:24<pelmon>aparrently i need to downgrade
17:24<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>
17:25<evilgold>Hey guys im looking for some help figuring out why my / drive is only transfering data at <1mbps
17:25<evilgold>Any one have a similar issue before?
17:25<pelmon>i don't know anything about downgrade. i was just using the literal term
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17:25<witte>libc6 is about one of the most important packages in your system
17:25<witte>pelmon: read: it will be very difficult to downgrade
17:25<pelmon>slow drive
17:25<pelmon>yeah i know.
17:26<witte>pelmon: you could think about switching to lenny... it will be stable in two months
17:26<witte>evilgold: hdparm
17:26<dpkg>rumour has it, hdparm is the HD tuning tool. It's also very dangerous, don't blame us if it makes you lose data. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :)
17:26<pelmon>i don't know how 2.7.10 got installed. now i have to switch to lenny. crap
17:27<evilgold>witte, well its a sata drive so theres nothing to tune really, and It seems to run at a normal speed for a little while and then just slow down and stay that way
17:27<witte>evilgold: with hdparm you can also test speed
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17:27<witte>evilgold: are there messages in the output of dmesg?.
17:27<evilgold>witte, thats how i know its slow
17:32<evilgold>right now the drive is running at normal speed because i just restarted
17:32<evilgold>it seems to slow down after about an hour or 2 of being idle
17:32<pelmon>so i cant compile anything till i upgrade to lenny
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17:33<evilgold>yesterday i tested the speed before i left the house it was normal, then 3 hours later i was trying to do something with it and the speed was down to ~1mbps.
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17:34<evilgold>and its happend several other times, the only solution seems to be a reboot
17:34<mordy_>evilgold - reboots suck :(
17:34<evilgold>very much
17:34<mordy_>probably some kind of service stopped. that's obviously the only explanation for it. could it be temperature-related?
17:34<witte>evilgold: isn't the drive getting to hot or so?
17:36<mordy_>i believe you can check it in one of the *thermal* files, but not sure wich one\
17:36<dpkg>smart is, like, the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package.
17:36<evilgold>witte, how do i check the temp? i dont think that is it, becuase there are 2 other drives that dont have the same problem
17:37<witte>evilgold: i thikn you can check it with smartmontools if your drive supports it
17:37<witte>another good method is just open the box, and feel the drive
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17:37<mordy_>i don';t think you need smart....
17:37<witte>could be that the circulation around that drive is not that good
17:38<jebuz>what is normal temp ?
17:38<evilgold>is the package name smartmontools ? i cant find it
17:38<mordy_>depends on the HDD and computer
17:38<jebuz>well mostly common ?
17:38<mordy_>jebuz, something like 100F, but i'm not sure
17:38<witte>evilgold: it is in sid, should be in etch as well
17:39<witte>50 degree celcius should be ok, and higher is possible
17:39<witte>but not advisible
17:39<mordy_>jebuz, it depends on the configuration of the motherboard, size of drive, etc. i'm only using laptop drives - i haven't used 3.5 in a long time
17:39<evilgold>witte, okay found it, my bad
17:40<mordy_>evilgold - hot?
17:40<jebuz>ooh ok
17:40<witte>evilgold: what was it?
17:40<witte>ah, the package
17:40<jebuz>well my main computer is around 34c and server is around 48c
17:41<witte>jebuz: is that processor or disk?
17:41<evilgold>I dont believe its heat, because it seems to happen when the computer is idle, but i will test it once the package is installed
17:41<mordy_>jebuz - nice :p
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17:41<mordy_>hehe, my computer is 60C - but it's a cramped laptop - the CPU at least. i don't think the disk has a sensor
17:42<jebuz>but the server has alot of big drives and 2 fans and my main has 1 drive and aloooot of fans :p
17:44<evilgold>what arguement do i use with smartmontools to get the temp?
17:44<jebuz>hmm dont know actually
17:44<jebuz>to Witte ^^
17:45<jebuz>CPU was 39c so guessng the disks
17:45<mordy_>gah, how do i use smart to tell me my temperature?
17:45<evilgold>My cpu is around 35*
17:46<mordy_>hehe, i wonder how you people keep such cool CPUs, mine are always hot hot hot
17:46<jebuz>Mordy, hmm mines in the fridge xD
17:46<cnj_>For any logging records, something broke OpenGL vertical sync (is the player not setting a flag now?) which is why it was working when opengl apps had focus. Disabling the option to sync fixed playback. Cheers.
17:46<jebuz>but good cooler
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17:47<mordy_>yeah, i guess i need a cooler for this stuff. lapto
17:47<mordy_>i don't even know if my laptop *has* an HDD sensor really - how do i tell?
17:47<evilgold>hdd is 33*
17:47<evilgold>thanks witte
17:48<witte>33 °C, so it is something els
17:48<evilgold>that should at least give me a bit more help in figuring things out
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17:48<witte>evilgold: did you have a chance to look through /var/log/dmesg?
17:48<mordy_>woohooo- my CPU is no @ 74C
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17:48<mordy_>isn't that cool?
17:49<witte>mordy_: you have a laptop?
17:49<mordy_>witte, it's a gigantic laptop running a pentium 4 desktop processor
17:49<mordy_>witte, and has three large fans
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17:50<witte>mordy_: in engineering, it is a well known rule of thumb that for every 10 °C above rated value, the lifetime halfs
17:50<mordy_>witte, it overheats sometimes if i don't clean it every few months or so
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17:50<witte>mordy_: probably the air circulation is terrible
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17:51<jebuz>does anyone run raid5 here?
17:51<witte>mordy_: it is not enough to have big fans, they need to circulate air (which is not always the case...)
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17:52<mordy_>witte - yes - this laptop is notorious for making a lot of noise and heating up - but it's been like this from day one :(
17:52<evilgold>dmesg doest really say anything unusual that i can see
17:52<jebuz>Mordy why dont you get a cooler bay for laptops?
17:52<witte>mordy_: which brand?
17:52<mordy_>search "compaq x6000 heat" in google and you'll probably end up with many results
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17:53<mordy_>jebuz - i had a few, they didn't really do much
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17:53<mordy_>witte ^^ ;)
17:54<witte>mordy_: 10000 hits, nice
17:54<mordy_>i've had it since 2005 and it's almost never been off. works like a charm though - except those heat and noise problems. best computer i've ever had
17:54*witte makes mental note never to buy compaq :-)
17:54<pelmon>so my system is "broken" till i upgrade to lenny
17:54<pelmon>should i do it
17:55<witte>or it is now part of hp i guess
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17:55<witte>pelmon: is it a vital system or just a desktop with no real important stuff on it (that you cant backup)
17:55<witte>evilgold: there are some thing at the end of which that i am not sure
17:56<mordy_>witte, it was just acquired by HP at the time. it's an excellent machine. i don't know when it will die though - but i guess it will be pretty obsolete when it dies anyway. another thing is the fact that it's using a pentium 4 630 desktop processor
17:56<witte>you could try running some filechecks on the partitions
17:56<pelmon>might as well back up
17:56<pelmon>meh :(
17:57<witte>mordy_: is that 85 W processor
17:57<witte>pelmon: normally, lenny should be ok to run as a desktop pc
17:57<mordy_>let me check...
17:57<witte>alternatively, if you have /home on a different disk, a reinstall is very easy and fast...
17:58<mordy_>yes, 84 technically lol
17:59<witte>mordy_: that is more than a plain old light bulb, and those get pretty hot ;-)
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17:59<mordy_>hehe, indeed. i don't think there's ever been a hotter laptop in history under normal operation, at least not in modern history
18:00<costa>mordy_: which model?
18:00<evilgold>well a friend is lending me a 500gb so for now i suppose i'll backup and reinstall
18:00<evilgold>thanks for the help guys
18:00<witte>mordy_: probably not :-)
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18:00<witte>evilgold: no problem
18:01<mordy__>witte, it tends to hover around 70 usually
18:01*mordy__ realizes yet another underscore :|
18:01<costa>mordy____________: which model laptop?
18:02<mordy__>costa, the one i'm discussing is a compaqX6000
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18:02<costa>ah ok. you reminded me of my old HP that had a p4 2.8
18:02<mordy__>costa, zd8000?
18:02<costa>and could have doubled as a skillet
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18:04<mordy__>costa, the x6000 is exactly the same as the zd8000, only that the latter has an "HP" sticker on it, and cost(ed) about $200 more :p
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18:04<mordy__>costa, did it die? :-s
18:04*mordy__ worries
18:05<costa>mordy__: zd7000
18:05<mordy__>same thing pretty much
18:05<costa>it has a gorgeous screen
18:06<costa>and great features for its age
18:06<mordy__>costa - exactly
18:06<mordy__>althoguh the screen on my compaq has about six vertical lines running thoguh it
18:06<costa>the actual reason i don't use it anymore is because the embedded video is shot
18:06<costa>due to overheating
18:06<costa>i took the whole thing apart, down to the mobo
18:06<costa>and applied artic silver
18:07<costa>but it was still shot
18:07<mordy__>that;s a case?
18:07<costa>i managed to trick X into working for about a week
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18:07<mordy__>and then it died again?
18:07<costa>by making it use only sw drivers
18:07<costa>so nothing but text works
18:07<costa>but the txt output has big blue vertical bars running down it
18:07<costa>so the screen looks like a blue and black jail cell
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18:08<mordy__>gah, it's a radeon mobility x3/6xx - no?
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18:09<mordy__>i don't use the display on that much anymore thoguh - i use it as my server. since it's still the fastest machine i've got. and i can't hold that thing in my lap or keep it on a desk due to the noise it makes. so i place it under my bed. i haven't touched it in about a week, i use nxserver or ssh to control it :p
18:09<mordy__>i also use it as my audio system - has wonderful speakers
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18:09<costa>harmon kardon?
18:09<jebuz>ooh 1000/100mbit for only 1500SEK :)
18:09<mordy__>yup jbuz
18:10<mordy__>i mean costs
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18:10<costa>speaking of servers
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18:10<jebuz>will wait for 1000/1000 :P
18:10<costa>if anyone needs any
18:10<costa>let me know
18:10<mordy__>hehe, you ship free internationally ? :p
18:10<jebuz>needs what costa?
18:10<costa>mordy__: nah, i host them
18:11<costa>jebuz: servers
18:11<jebuz>ooh ok at what speeds and for what use?
18:11<costa>$5/mbit for commits over 100mbps
18:11<costa>and $4/mbit for commits over 1gbit
18:12<costa>dedicated bandwidth, not shared
18:12<jebuz>ok so if i would want 10gbit?
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18:12<jebuz>and any restrictions ?
18:12<costa>only those set by the US
18:12<mordy__>no midget pr0n?
18:12<costa>aka, no CP
18:12<costa>midget pr0n is ok
18:13<jebuz>such as? piracy ect?
18:13<mordy__>!midget pr0n
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18:13<costa>jebuz: piracy is handled on a per incident basis
18:13<costa>aka, DMCA complaints mean you have to remove the file, etc
18:14<costa>but that's the way most large sites handle piracy issues
18:14<jebuz>yeah but if its an ftp ?
18:14<costa>if you're smart about it, you won't generate many abuse complaints
18:15<mordy__>hehe, i use 1and1, they suck, but it's cheap, and i'm not doing any heavy applications anyway
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18:15<jebuz>maybee not 40k a month u said and no limitations?
18:15<costa>jebuz: correct. its your 10gbits to do what you want with
18:16<costa>as long as if you generate abuse complaints, you handle them
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18:16<jebuz>yeah, how bout routing?
18:16<costa>and don't generate lots of CP or botnet complaints
18:16<costa>what about routing exactly?
18:16<witte>costa: jebuz: maybe take this to #debian-offtopic
18:16<costa>actually, lets just PM
18:16<costa>good call, witte
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18:17*mordy__ wonders if hostages and chemical weapons are involved
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18:17<pelmon>ok. who's running lenny?
18:18<fsfix>i have this mystery going with the framebufffer console. till kernel 2.6.18 i gave grub the option "vga=791" and it worked. with 2.6.25-2 from something obviously changed and i get a blank screen when i use any other mode than 0
18:18<witte>costa: the only thing that you did not gave was the actual company name i guess :P
18:18<fsfix>could somebody help me with that?
18:18<costa>witte: im with Alpha Red currently
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18:19<witte>costa: lol :-)
18:20<mordy__>i'm wondering why my laptop (my other laptop) is stuck at 600 Mhz
18:21<costa>witte: yes i know :P
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18:24<mordy__>any ideas on this? how do get it back to scaling? it's running a 50% load now - it should jump higher
18:25<valdyn>mordy__: what does "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq" give ?
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18:26<mordy__>yeah, i guess i should set it higher - but the question is why it's going like that
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18:27<valdyn>mordy__: why did you set it that low?
18:27<mordy__>(well, i don't know how to set it, but that's a different point)
18:27<pelmon>what do i need to do to go from using apt-get to using aptitude?
18:27<mordy__>valdyn, i didn't set it to that. it was working fine until a few hours ago. something else changed it - i don't know how or why
18:27<valdyn>mordy__: you did set it that low
18:28<valdyn>mordy__: i dont know how, surely not directly there
18:28<pelmon>do i need to "prep" my system?
18:28<mordy__>valdyn: how do i see what and when it was changed?
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18:28<valdyn>mordy__: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq" gives the same value?
18:28<valdyn>mordy__: no idea
18:28<newsense>pelmon: not at all
18:29<mordy__>nope, it's 12000
18:29<pelmon>i heard there could be problems if i switched from one to the other without prepping my system first
18:29<mordy__>cpufreq-set -f 12000?
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18:29<valdyn>mordy__: so "cat cpuinfo_max_freq > scaling_max_freq"
18:29<valdyn>mordy__: no idea
18:30<valdyn>pelmon: no, thats wrong, just dont keep switching, or you will get confused
18:30<mordy__>valdyn - works - jumped right to the maximum frequency
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18:45<sjk>having some issues with debian testing a a new laptop install -- re: iwl3945 wireless -- anyone help?
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18:50<acu>I run Lenny 2.7.25 on AMD64 with NVIDIA - and I cannot do compile the NVIDIA driver, nor I can use anything native - the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is doing nothing more than a VGA - what should I do
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18:53<dpkg>The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlwifi etch>, <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>. #ipw2100 @
18:54<dpkg>it has been said that nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:54<witte>acu, which graphics card?
18:56<witte>sjk: the first dpkg line was for you ;)
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19:01<mordy__>is there an acpi equivalent to lsusb and lspci?
19:01<mordy__>lsacpi doesn't do the trick
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19:02<enouf>!wayttd mordy__
19:02<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, mordy__?
19:03<sjk>yes -- got the modules installed -- am able to get essid and ip -- but wlan0 fails to send traffic
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19:04<sjk>[ 3335.212625] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:0c:00.0 disabled
19:04<sjk>Jul 26 12:59:30 godot kernel: [ 3335.213481] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:0c:00.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17
19:04<sjk>Jul 26 12:59:30 godot kernel: [ 3335.213660] PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:0c:00.0 at offset 1 (was 100102, writing 100106)
19:04<sjk>Jul 26 12:59:30 godot kernel: [ 3335.262673] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
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19:04<mordy__>meh, i'm just trying to figure out why this KDE thingie (or anything else for that matter) won't detect my battery (yes, i had problems before, but this is a *different* computer)
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19:04<enouf>kde thingie?
19:04<jebuz>sjk are you using iwl?
19:05<enouf>mordy__: man, all i know is some craptop manu have their crap in the kernel for firmware related crap
19:05<enouf>mordy__: are you talking about in kcontrol center?
19:06<mordy__>gah, does that mean i'll need to recompile the kernel on this thing?
19:06<mordy__>let me see..
19:06<enouf>mordy__: which craptop is this now? sony too?
19:06<mordy__>enouf - yes
19:06<mordy__>no, the MSI wind
19:06<mordy__>sony one is more or less behaving itself now
19:07<enouf>no idea about MSI brand, since kernel refers to MSI as Message Service Interrupt :-P
19:07<mordy__>enouf - i think i simply don'thave the right daemons installed, although i don't know which ones to install
19:07<mordy__>or maybe i need to reboot
19:07<enouf>s/service/signalling/ i forget offhand
19:08<mordy__>well, i just took out/reinserted the battery. let me check dmesg
19:08<enouf>i've seen Toshiba and Asus and Sony crap in the kernel .. whteher it's backlights or batteries, dunno offhand
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19:09<mordy__>yeah, i don't think the kernel would have anything for this cheap pos]
19:09<mordy__>3 cell battery :|
19:10<mordy__>enouf - where do i find the boot log? in daemon.log or dmesg?
19:10<mordy__>or is it split betwen the two depending on the type/source of output
19:10<sjk>apparently the log posting was interpreted as a flood -- sorry
19:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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19:13<mordy__>gah, if there's no battery in /proc, does that mean i need to add it in my kernel somehow (is it missing there?) or reboot? or is there a workaround
19:14<sjk>any thoughts would be appreciated:
19:15<witte>sjk: do you have the firmware installed?
19:16<witte>sjk: firmware-iwlwifi package
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19:16<witte>mordy__: modprobe battery
19:17<sjk>I install the firmware-iwlwifi package and the driver pkg
19:17<sjk>lsmod shows them loaded
19:17<witte>sjk: the 2.6.25 kernel has the iwl drivers already
19:18<sjk>right -- sorry -- just the firmware package
19:18<sjk>kernel 2.6.25-2-686
19:19<witte>sjk: what is the output of iwconfig wlan0, iwlist -scan and dhclient wlan0
19:20<witte>sjk: do you need wpa wpa2, wep?
19:21<mordy__>hmm... that works... reboot helped :D
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19:22<mordy__>err.. wait, it doesn't - apparently the battery is detected, but kde's power applet doesn't seem to pick it up - or tells me that i have a "partial" acpi intstallation
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19:28<enouf>mordy__: had phone call
19:28<enouf>!tell mordy__ -about bootlogd
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19:29<Slaid>еесть живые??
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19:29<enouf>mordy__: in /var/log/* are all those files boot, syslog, kern.log, messages, etc
19:30<Slaid>help me
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19:30<mordy__>well, i did a reboot, and this time the bootlog didn't tell me anything about acpi failing - i guess because i installed an approrpriate daemon, or at least a better one.
19:30<mordy__>(i wanted to show the boot file because it would normally show "failed" by one of the acpi module,s but this time it didn't
19:31<enouf>mordy__: oh and /var/log/dmesg .. but dmesg from the console/xterm is more "live" it's a scrolling buffer as oppposed to the /var/log/dmesg which is best used for posting dmesg boot with no other crap since up and running
19:32<enouf>wtf is daemon.log? stop that nonsense
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19:33<pelmon>this doesn't look good
19:33<pelmon>can i get a second opinion
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19:34<enouf>mordy__: partial installation? of what? anyways; apt-get install acpi acpid acpi-utils acpi-support acpi-support-* or whatever the fuck they arecalled
19:35<mordy__>let's see if they're all there
19:35<enouf>mordy__: "apt-get install -f" to solve partial installs - or use aptitude if you have been
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19:35<Slaid>why i can connect to icq only sim-im??? kopete and licq write error password?????????????????
19:36<enouf>!tell mordy__ -about grounding
19:36<pelmon>enouf: i WAS using aptitude
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19:36<pelmon>oh... nm
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19:37<enouf>try full-upgrade or whatever aptitude uses
19:37<pelmon>sorry. me or mordy__?
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19:37<enouf>!tell pelmon about unmet
19:38<enouf>!tell pelmon about unmet depends
19:38<enouf>!tell pelmon about unmet dependencies
19:38<enouf>dpkg: stop playing dumb you weenie
19:38<dpkg>enouf: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
19:38<dpkg>run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition.
19:39<witte>that is the only one with unmet in it
19:39<enouf>[19:40:10] [dpkg] Factoid search of 'unmet' by key (3): fix-unmet ;; #debian-bots fix-unmet ;; #debian fix-unmet.
19:39<enouf>dpkg: unmet is <reply> see <fix-unmet>
19:39<dpkg>okay, enouf
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19:40<mordy__>hehe, i'll read dpkg's links soon - but a quick question - is init.d the 'startup' folder?
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19:40<dpkg>well, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>, or (init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x)
19:40<pelmon>it's a little more complicated than that though
19:41<enouf>!tell mordy__ about runlevels
19:41<pelmon>enouf: so the answer for fix-unmet?
19:41<enouf>!tell mordy__ -about services
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19:41<mordy__>hehe, enouf - !tell me about everything
19:41<enouf>pelmon: man .. no idea .. try something ;-)
19:41<enouf>!tell mordy__ -about dpkg the bot
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19:43<enouf>dpkg: unmet is <reply> see fix-unmet
19:43<dpkg>okay, enouf
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19:44<enouf>btw -- <enouf> dpkg: unmet is <reply> see <fix-unmet> is wrong ; <enouf> dpkg: unmet is <reply> see fix-unmet <--is correct
19:44<sjk>witte: modulation changes don't seem to be supported on the 3945 -- I've tried adjusting the rate and setting both essid and ip manually, but it seems to make no diff.
19:44<CaDhV>hi, anybody knows how to resolve an issue with locales settings ? can anyone help me ?
19:44<ooter>dpkg ftw
19:44*dpkg breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN
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19:44<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
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19:45<enouf>what's with the backtick dpkg ?
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19:47<witte>sjk: sorry, don't know too much about it. maybe check the irc channel listed in the following factoid:
19:47<enouf>Sorry about all the channel noise folks - really - it's a lot
19:47<dpkg>The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlwifi etch>, <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>. #ipw2100 @
19:47<witte>enouf: thanks :-)
19:47<dpkg>If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or using a later kernel from <> or <etchnhalf> - ask me about <iwlwifi>.
19:47<enouf>witte: no prob
19:48<enouf>again -- Sorry about all the channel noise folks - really - it's a lot - a bit too much
19:48<CaDhV>thankd dpkg, i tried that but i get this error: perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
19:48<CaDhV>perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
19:48<CaDhV> LANGUAGE = (unset),
19:48<CaDhV> LC_ALL = (unset),
19:48<CaDhV> LANG = "en_US"
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19:48<enouf>see? monkey see, shithead does
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19:50<jebuz>hehe /dev/mapper/crypt 1.8T 167M 1.7T 1% /glftp
19:50<sjk>lsmod show iwl3945 as loaded
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19:53<jebuz>!dupe *-PreVail
19:54<jebuz>ooh nice :P
19:55<sjk>iwconfig shows an association to the ap -- and I am able to pump an IP most of the time -- but not send traffic
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20:00<AHemlocksLie>how do I uninstall something? It was VNC, and it came in a .tar.gz file, and I had to run ./vncinstall /usr/local/bin to install it.
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20:03<AHemlocksLie>is anybody here? I've never seen this channel so dead... >_>
20:04<jebuz>Yeah im here
20:05<AHemlocksLie>man, one person
20:05<AHemlocksLie>there's usually 5-6 people talking every time I come in here
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20:06<Nemoder>this is why you should not install software as root that isn't packaged for debian.
20:08<witte>AHemlocksLie: it looks that because there are currently no problems in debian
20:08<witte>it looks like that
20:09<AHemlocksLie>well, there was a package
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20:09<AHemlocksLie>but it wouldn't work
20:09<AHemlocksLie>so I had to make do
20:10<ooter>usually what I'd do is find something I know it installed, look at the date, and manually remove things based on that, preferably just in /usr/local which is where .tar.gz things tend to put them
20:10<witte>AHemlocksLie: what is your actual problem
20:10<ooter>like if you did a ./configure, make, make install but make uninstall doesn't do anything
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20:14<ooter>for an example, if I have my own mplayer installed, and I see its date is "2008-06-27", I can do something like this to find those files: find /usr/local/ -name '*' -exec ls -ld {} \; | grep "2008-06-27"
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20:20<pelmon> ok. can anyone answer this one for me? "aptitude dist-upgrade" returns a list of unmet dependencies and will not allow me to continue with the upgrade. "apt-get dist-upgrade" says it can complete the operation and gives no warnings. ???
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20:22<AHemlocksLie>okay, I went afk for a few minutes
20:23<AHemlocksLie>ooter, I wanna just go find the folder and delete it? I don't need to run anything?
20:23<AHemlocksLie>witte: I installed something from a .tar.gz, and I can't figure out how to get rid of it
20:23<AHemlocksLie>ooter: also, I'll be trying that command. Thanks.
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20:24<witte>AHemlocksLie: locate the folder, and delete it
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20:25<witte>AHemlocksLie: updatedb to update your find database, next locate <search term>
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20:29<AHemlocksLie>if I'm not mistaken, if I execute a command and use |, it'll feed the output of the first into a command that follows the |, correct?
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20:29<AHemlocksLie>can I use that output as part of the next command?
20:30<AHemlocksLie>technically, I'm using Debian on my Xbox
20:30<AHemlocksLie>and it's really hard to read the screen
20:30<AHemlocksLie>it's really blurry
20:30<AHemlocksLie>could I say something like "dir | rm -d <output goes here>"?
20:30<AHemlocksLie>I'm down to one last folder
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20:30<AHemlocksLie>and I know I need to delete it, but I can't read the name right
20:30<ooter>usually there's something you need to add, like "dir | xargs rm -d"
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20:31<ooter>xargs is pretty handy for that, man xargs
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20:31<ooter>there's a few tricks I learned from an ibm tutorial using awk
20:31<witte>AHemlocksLie: you can also use wildcards
20:31<diego>hi there, any help configuring a modem on debian (dial up)
20:31<ooter>but it's kind complex ;)
20:31<diego>its integrated in my notebook, I configured the net card, wifi card, but modems have no idea
20:31<witte>ok, no factoid: you can use * or ?
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20:32<AHemlocksLie>xargs woked
20:32<AHemlocksLie>thanks, guys
20:32<witte>diego: which modem
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20:32<diego>witte: I would have to go to windows to check, never used lol ... comes with a HP Pavilion dv9548us
20:32<witte>diego: lspci
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20:33<witte>diego: paste the output of it in a pastebin
20:33<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
20:34<diego>ohhh, sorry
20:34<diego>already did
20:34<diego>next time will use .ca
20:35<timmy_boy>I think ! is the trigger for the bot. Not "not". :)
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20:35<diego>witte: can you see the modem there :D ?
20:37<witte>diego: mmm, no
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20:37<diego>I really want dial up, my broadband connection seems to have problems recently hehe
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20:38<GoinEasy9>diego: do you have a connection for a phone line on the back of the computer?
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20:39<diego>GoinEasy9: on the side actually lol
20:39<witte>!tell timmy_boy about bot
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20:39<diego>it says it has a modem / fax 56Kbps
20:39<diego>I never used it actually, if I want more details I should go on windows (and I dont like win :P)
20:39<GoinEasy9>try googling scanmodem, i used it to set up dialup on my thinkpad, follow directions, it'll tell you what modem you have and how to set it up
20:40<diego>scanmodem ... thx, will try
20:40<newsense>people still use 56k
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20:40<magyar>hi, how can i trouble shoot a problem with syslog. It stops rotating /var/log/syslog after a few weeks?
20:40<newsense>maybe in armania
20:40<diego>newsense: I have a 3Mbit connection
20:40<JordiGH>What should I install in order to get VLC to play xvid?
20:40<GoinEasy9>at work i only have access to a fax machine..and yes dialup sucks
20:41<diego>but recently my ISP is doing things
20:41<newsense>16meg here
20:41<newsense>err mb'
20:41<diego>newsense: I'm in Argentina, cannot get so much, where r u from :P
20:42<newsense>16mbps is cheap here
20:42<GoinEasy9>diego: <--the better website
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20:46<diego>ok, have scanModem output
20:47<GoinEasy9>diego: it's been awhile for me, but i remember there is a text file that gives you the info, hold on..i'll powerup lappy
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20:50<GoinEasy9>diego: look at ModemData.txt
20:51<diego>GoinEasy9: looking that actually
20:51<diego>An ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) modem driver: snd-hda-intel
20:51<GoinEasy9>does it give you a list of drivers to use?
20:51<diego>Support type needed or chipset: slmodemd supporting the snd-hda-intel audio+modem driver
20:51<diego>its with the audio ??? weird
20:52<GoinEasy9>no so weird
20:52<newsense>google it
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20:56<GoinEasy9>diego: <--get the tar.gz and install
20:57<witte>$ apt-cache search slmodem
20:57<witte>sl-modem-daemon - SmartLink software modem daemon
20:58<GoinEasy9> searched for slmodem not sl-modem
20:58<GoinEasy9>there you go .. an apt-get install away
20:59<diego>I have slmodem from other site lol
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20:59<witte>diego: use the debian packages whenever possible
21:01<diego>witte: ok , so, when I run a command it creates /dev/ttySL0
21:01<diego>but then it terminates
21:01<diego>with ctrl+c and its deleted
21:02<witte>diego: you probably need kppp or so
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21:04<diego>I use gnome :P
21:04<diego>is there a gppp ?
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21:04<witte> apt-cache search ppp |grep gnome
21:04<diego>gnome-ppp installing
21:04<diego>still dont get how to use the modem lol
21:05<diego>the freshmeat site will direct me to so I guess I got the correct tar.gz
21:05<witte>diego: it will give a gui, and help you
21:05<witte>the gnome-ppp that is
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21:08<seeker95>ok I am getting closer. I have an old gateway with video card on motherboard. how do I find out what video card it is and what and how can I download drivers for it useing apt-get
21:08<witte>seeker95: lspci
21:09<witte>seeker95: lspci |grep -i VGA
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21:10<witte>seeker95: but normally those drivers should be just in debian
21:10<seeker95>ok thanks it is a vga compatible Chromatic Research Inc Mpact 2
21:10<witte>!set up x
21:10<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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21:11<seeker95>i run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and select vga and then when i run startx all i get on the screen is lines
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21:12<diego>ok, seems to be working but I have to be running this command
21:12<diego>to get the symlink
21:12<diego>and run gnome-ppp with sudo
21:12<diego>I didnt actually try yet to connect, gnome-ppp says it has a modem
21:13<witte>diego: there is probably a group that you have to be member of
21:14<witte>seeker95: is that some kind of special card?
21:14<seeker95>witte: so why does it not like the vga drive it says that it can not find the default cursor font cursor
21:14<seeker95>i do not know it is on the motherboard
21:15<witte>seeker95: i don't know, can you paste the exact complete line from "lscpi | grep -i vga"
21:15<seeker95>one moment
21:16<diego>I dont get this , the modem is changing devices
21:17<seeker95>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Chromatic Research Inc. MPace 2 (rev 41)
21:18<GoinEasy9>diego: is it pointing to /dev/modem instead of /dev/ttySL0 ?
21:18<witte>seeker95: is this a normal pc or some kind of embedded stuff?
21:19<diego>GoinEasy9: no, its points to /dev/ttySL0
21:19<seeker95>old gateway pc with video stuff on motherboard
21:19<diego>sudo slmodemd -c ARGENTINA --alsa hw:0,6
21:19<diego>symbolic link `/dev/ttySL0' -> `/dev/pts/5' created.
21:20<diego>and then the number starts to change
21:20<witte>seeker95: strange, don't find a lot of things no that card on google
21:20<GoinEasy9>when you set up the account in ppp with your isp's phone number, just point the modem device to /dev/ttySL0
21:20<magyar>hi, how does the /var/log/syslog file gets rotated?
21:21<seeker95>witte: so anyway to solve my dilemma short of using another video card?
21:22<witte>seeker95: i don't know, maybe resort to #xorg on freenodes
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21:22<seeker95>I probably have an s3 around here somewhere but they seem to be flaky
21:22<witte>there the real xorg gurus live
21:22<seeker95>ok what is the server name? freenodes?
21:22<GoinEasy9>diego: if that doesn't work try pointing it to /dev/modem .. winmodems are a pita
21:22<witte>s3 is ok if you want 2d nothing fancy
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21:23<dpkg>hmm... freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
21:23<diego>didnt dial
21:23<seeker95>ok guys thanks
21:24<timmy_boy>What language is aptitude written in? I'm thinking of installing debian.
21:24<GoinEasy9>diego: did you set up the modem after creating the account?
21:24<witte>seeker95: without the s
21:24<dpkg>freenode is, like, a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
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21:25<diego>sudo slmodemd -c ARGENTINA --alsa hw:0,6
21:25<diego>and then sudo gnome-ppp and it detects a modem in /dev/ttySL0
21:25<diego>I write a number, user and password and it does not dial
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21:26<GoinEasy9>diego: I use KDE , it might look different in gnome... i have a button next to account that lets me set up modem info
21:27<diego>I click setup
21:27<diego>it says
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21:27<diego>analog modem, 460800, tone
21:27<diego>volume: high
21:28<GoinEasy9>diego: no modem device?
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21:31<diego> /dev/ttySL0
21:33<Phoul>Hey, Does anyone know any good software for streaming audio to a shoutcast server
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21:36<GoinEasy9>diego: is there a place in ppp where you can choose the modem device?
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21:37<diego>yeah, I can change it
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21:41<GoinEasy9>diego: try /dev/modem .. is that a choice?
21:41<diego>its a choice
21:41<diego>but /dev/modem does not exists
21:43<GoinEasy9>my /dev/modem is a symlink ... it took me a lot of experimenting to get my hsfmodem to work, your going to have to keep playing with it
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21:44<GoinEasy9>diego: there are instructions in the modemdata.txt file, i think, to send an e-mail to the linmodem people, they are helpful
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21:45<GoinEasy9>diego: if not in modemdata.txt then one of the other txt files that were created when you ran scanmodem
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21:50<diego>error: period size 48 is not supported by playback (64)
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22:08<diego>help ... it dials but I cannot connect
22:08<diego>it works with wvdial
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22:33<ThomasN>hi, sorry for jumping inside directly...
22:34<ThomasN>just checking my unattended upgrade
22:34<ThomasN>(server, Debian 4.0)
22:34<ThomasN>found some packages that where upgraded without any security announce before
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22:35<ThomasN>like sysvinit, apache2, kernel-source, ...
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22:36<ThomasN>and with the actual DNS problem I'm not sure about how easy it is for someone to "replace" the servers named in apt.sources
22:36<ThomasN>any hints? (Or some more details needed?)
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22:42<k-man>whenever i use sofware suspend to disk, after resuming, my audio no longer works
22:43<k-man>any ideas how to fix that?
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23:01<jimisrvrox>k-man u still around?
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23:10<diego>hi there, I can do wvdial --config=mylittlefile.conf
23:10<diego>I hear the modem beeping
23:10<diego>but now ... how do I use it
23:12<snogglethorpe>diego: if things are working properly, there should be a network interface now
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23:12<snogglethorpe>diego: e.g., "sudo ifconfig" should showh it
23:12<diego>then things are not working fine
23:12<diego>no new interface is created
23:12<snogglethorpe>diego: hmm I've never used "wvdial"
23:12<snogglethorpe>diego: I've always used the ppp stuff
23:13<diego>only one that worked for me ... how to use ppp :D ?
23:13<diego>I would use it if I knew how to, gnome-ppp didnt work
23:14<snogglethorpe>diego: hmm it's been a while since I used ppp though...
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23:15<snogglethorpe>diego: but if I were going to do it, I'd install "ppp" and "pppconfig"
23:15<snogglethorpe>diego: and run pppconfig
23:15<snogglethorpe>diego: then if things still didn't work, grovel around in /etc/ppp and /etc/chatscripts
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23:16<snogglethorpe>diego: if I remember correctly, once things are configured you can use "ifup" etc to deal with the interface
23:18<diego>downloading pppconfig
23:18<diego>I have a 3Mbit connection but today it was down for an hour ...
23:18<diego>I really need a backup
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23:24<diego>I ran pppconfig and added a connection
23:24<diego>how to dial :S ?
23:26<gsimmons>diego: man pon
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23:34<diego>I run sudo pon connection and no interface created
23:34<k-man>jimisrvrox, yeah
23:34<guilherme>i need to use java how can i install it??
23:35<guilherme>what is the package name?
23:35<Nemoder>!install java
23:35<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>.
23:36<diego>any help with pon / poff
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23:42<polly_wanttocraker>alguem ai??
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23:43<jimisrvrox>hey k-man
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23:44<guilherme>java 6 is ok for lenny??
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23:58<Nemoder>guilherme: works for me
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