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---Logopened Sun Jul 27 00:00:02 2008
00:01<Lucky>I am trying to configure a static IPv6 address on etch. When running /etc/init.d/networking [stop,start], I get the error message: Configuring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists
00:01<Lucky>Any ideas? Google shows others with the same problem, but no solution.
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00:06<guilherme>ok, thanks
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00:09<Nemoder>Lucky: I think that message just means the default gateway is already set, shouldn't be a problem
00:11<Nemoder>Lucky: you may find it easier to use ifup / ifdown scripts
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00:12<Lounge>ever notice (in gnome) not all icons get changed when switching to another theme?
00:12<Lucky>Nemoder: the IPv6 address is not being added, so it really is failing.
00:12<Lounge>or some swithc to gname's default
00:13<Lucky>Nemoder: worth a try. Tried just about every command inside /etc/network/interfaces I could think of.
00:13<Nemoder>Lucky: you may wish to read: man interfaces
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00:14<schmichael>is there an apt-get command to only install security updates?
00:15<Nemoder>schmichael: if you are running stable then security updates are the only updates
00:15<Lounge>i have a question about /dev/mapper devices not being unmounted propperly during shutdown
00:16<Lounge>/var/ & /home are the mappers that are constant;y recovering from the s-block images at startup
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00:16<guilherme>what is the name of flash plugin ?
00:16<schmichael>Nemoder: really? then why different source lines for security updates?
00:17<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
00:17<Lounge>or i should say - retrieving them on every boot - because of not being cleanly umounted
00:17<Lucky>Nemoder: oh, I am familar with it. :-) I tried both "ip addr add" and "iface eth0 inet6 static" constructs. No love.
00:17<Nemoder>schmichael: so that you can install more software, it's not for updates
00:17<Nemoder>Lucky: sorry I'm not too familiar with ipv6 setups :(
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00:23<Lounge>i don't know if it is needed but i'm thinking that umountfs is going to need modifying for the system to umount the mapping volumes and close luks or something because i just don't know how and wht /dev/mapper/var & /dev/mapper/home are failing
00:23<Lounge>failing to unmount "cleanly"
00:23<Lounge>w/e that meanns
00:28<ThomasN>Nemoder: I'm not sure, if I get you right regarding updates. At the moment I see packets like debconf*, initscripts, sysv*, libc6, likkrb53, locales and tzdata in aptitude waiting for update
00:28<ThomasN>that's on a etch server...
00:29<guilherme>i get a java program, but when i enter in the program it shows ok, but in some menus they don't show some itens, what is the problem??
00:30<Nemoder>guilherme: try: update-alternatives --config java
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00:35<Nemoder>ThomasN: not really sure how to explain that, their last official update was Feb17, 2008, everything else should just be from
00:35<ThomasN>yes, that's why I was surprised as well
00:36<Nemoder>was that an install from before then? or with an older install disc?
00:36<ThomasN>the server is running since more than one year
00:36<ThomasN>regularily updating
00:36<ThomasN>(daily checking)
00:37<ThomasN>so I wondered if someone could attack my server via manipulated packages
00:37<Nemoder>I believe all the packages are now signed to prevent that
00:38<ThomasN>Yes, I thought about that as well
00:38<guilherme> i try update-alternatives --config java and see 4 options
00:38<ThomasN>Is there a way to get more information about that topic or updates of special packages?
00:39<Nemoder>guilherme: I have run into issues where programs designed for sun's java do not work well on gnu java which is usually the default
00:39<ThomasN>Is there another communication channel that's more appropriate?
00:40<costa>hello all
00:40<Nemoder>ThomasN: good question, I mostly just go by announcements on the main website:
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00:47<ThomasN>Nemoder: it doesn't assure me that I can't find anything there...
00:48<ThomasN>Have a look at Even the kernel-source was updated...
00:48<ThomasN>(my /etc/apt/sources.list is shown there as well)
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00:50<Nemoder>well for any given package there should be an update about what was changed in /usr/share/doc/package/changelog.Debian.gz
00:52<ThomasN>I looked into that - but if someone would take controll over the package repository he wouldn't write: "I want to hack your server :-)"
00:53<fxiny>hmmm, i can see 17 etch updates and mail on debian-security list . i'm waiting , any suggestions ?
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00:55<ThomasN>fxiny: I guess, we are discussing similar topic at the moment
00:55<ThomasN>but I did not get anything on the mailinglist...
00:55<Nemoder>ThomasN: if I understand how the signing works then they would really have to take control of a developer's machine to be able to affect the repos
00:56<ThomasN>let's hope so :-)
00:56<Nemoder>at least a good tool to check your own machine is debsums
00:56<fxiny>ThomasN: nice , they are 27 something ,i won't upgrade til security-list will tell me
00:59<fxiny>ThomasN: To: debian-security <> > Subject: 17 updates for Etch?!?!
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01:00<ThomasN>I only read the announcments till now - but I try to check online
01:00<fxiny>one answer from a address . good
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01:05<ThomasN>Ok, here's the answer from the mail fxiny named:
01:05<ThomasN>Point release, see [1]. I guess the announcement is on its way. Might be sent once most architectures have all packages built.
01:06<guilherme>when i try to open de .jar file i need to use "open with Sun Java Runtime", how can i use GNU java??
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01:08<fxiny>ThomasN: good++ : we can try a 2.6.24 on etch :)
01:09<ThomasN>let's see, if it compiles with OpenVZ...
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01:10<fxiny>am i missing something ? was it already avaiable ?
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01:11<fxiny>slurping it on my spare box ;)
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01:17<guilherme>when i try to open de .jar file i need to use "open with Sun Java Runtime", how can i use GNU java??
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01:32<fxiny>right : 2.6.24 is avaiable now as for
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02:25<soloflyer>oi oi
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02:37<jebuz>meep meep
02:41<EmleyMoor>A lot of updates today!
02:42<jebuz>are you sure?
02:43<EmleyMoor>Yes, 40-oddd
02:43<jebuz>hmm is raid5 really that bad?
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02:44<jebuz>raid5 total - 1.8T 167M 1.7T 1%
02:45<fxiny>going for a 2.6.24
02:46<jebuz>ok think i got 2.6.25 if i saw right
02:46<fxiny>2.6.24 is official
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03:06<EmleyMoor>With all this etchnhalf stuff, is it better to stick with the .18 kernel if that's what the 2.6 package installs?
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03:07<EmleyMoor>(linux-image-k7 is still leaving me on 2.6.18+6etch3)
03:09<fxiny>dunno , i'm updating my vserver first then i'll try 2.6.24
03:09<fxiny>wanna see it running on my old box
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03:10<_ZeuZ_>EmleyMoor, attaining to that kernel means you're playing safe.
03:10<_ZeuZ_>Newer kernels should be installed if you're testing, or needing some new feature
03:10<EmleyMoor>Right - so, at least until I start following frozen I can stick with it
03:11<_ZeuZ_>EmleyMoor, after a given time, you'll just need to do a dist-upgrade
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03:11*EmleyMoor reboots his PBX
03:12*_ZeuZ_ Is waiting for portmaster to finish
03:12<EmleyMoor>... and notes that at least he won't have to rebuild the drivers for the line cards
03:13<_ZeuZ_>EmleyMoor, well, that depends
03:13*fxiny starts now . by the time his old bbox finishes updating portmaster will knock at the door
03:13<_ZeuZ_>if you had to build them from source, you might need to do that again
03:13<_ZeuZ_>fxiny, lol
03:13<EmleyMoor>_ZeuZ_: Not until I go to .24
03:14*EmleyMoor checks for dialtone and finds it
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03:14<_ZeuZ_>EmleyMoor, well, if it's not in the regressions list, and the kernel itself has a driver built-in or modular precompiled in linux-image, you won;t have... if not, you'll have to build them again and then manually modprobe them for the first tiem
03:14<fxiny>_ZeuZ_: no jokes : i have two vservers on my PII 400 deshutes this means three initram including 2.6.24 ;)
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03:15<EmleyMoor>I'm also hoping I don't have to patch the source myself for the rotary phone to work under lenny
03:15<_ZeuZ_>EmleyMoor, not likely
03:15<_ZeuZ_>fxiny, well, the host that's running portmaster for updating is a Xeon Cuad Core
03:15<_ZeuZ_>so it wont take that long
03:16<EmleyMoor>There was a debounce mistiming in etch
03:16<sasuke781>ok....this is last hope....hopefully i wont get told to google......i need help with my installation. First problem is that any cd i burn boots, but it starts stops starts stops and it goes really really slow, the second problem is that netinstall doesnt work for me. It cant use my nic. And the third problem is that this is my last hope and if it doesnt work i give
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03:17<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, a naruto fan cannot tell that.
03:17<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, there could be thousands of thousands of reasons
03:17<EmleyMoor>sasuke781: "starts stops starts stops and it goes really slow" - any particular thing happening when this happens?
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03:18<sasuke781>uhhh it takes over an our to scan the cd?
03:18<_ZeuZ_>go burn again the ISO making sure the burning was succesfull and the MD5 sum is the same on the image that on the output of the burning
03:18<EmleyMoor>As for your nic, what kind is it?
03:18<sasuke781>you can hear it in the cd drive
03:18<sasuke781>it starts up and stops over and over
03:18<sasuke781># Realtek RTL8201CL - 10/100 PHY
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03:18<EmleyMoor>That sounds like a faulty CD or faulty drive... check the burn as _ZeuZ_ advised
03:18<sasuke781>i cant do the tells me it cant find the file when its right there -_-
03:19<istoc>Hi. does anyone know a good howto for packet shaping?
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03:19<fxiny>sasuke781: is your cd overheating ?
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03:19<_ZeuZ_>That realtek card is supported directly, so netinstall should work.
03:20<sasuke781>ok thats better then what they told me on the freenode server
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03:20<sasuke781>no its not overheating
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03:20<sasuke781>and just to add....i've tried this for 4 days now
03:20<istoc>_ZeuZ_: thanks
03:20<sasuke781> pretty close to giving up =[
03:20<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, that's not our problem actually.
03:20<sasuke781>yea i know
03:21<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, if it doesn't work, don;t blame it, look at how you did things...
03:21<sasuke781>but im just kinda...excuse me....bitchy because of it...sooo excuse me
03:21<_ZeuZ_>hehe a guy on fBSD channel told once:
03:21<_ZeuZ_>my girlfriend is about to leave me because of my host.
03:21<jebuz>meeeep meeeeeep - running round like a litte speedy bird.
03:21<jebuz>meep meep
03:21<_ZeuZ_>jebuz, erm, too much cartoons? :)
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03:21<sasuke781>ok....this is what it tells me when i try to do the md5 check
03:21<fxiny>_ZeuZ_: why are you complaining ? at least you have a girfliend !
03:22<_ZeuZ_>fxiny, lol, it wasnt me dog!
03:22<jebuz>_ZeuZ_ yeah you know what im talking about, wich cartoon right? :P
03:22<_ZeuZ_>I'm hapily in a relation of almost 2 years now
03:22<sasuke781>"the checksum file you have selected contains one or more ascII generated sums"
03:23<sasuke781>then if i ignore and hit says it cant find the file
03:23<EmleyMoor>Which "the" file?
03:23<_ZeuZ_>gosh, let only one hash on the file to compare
03:23<sasuke781>there is only one
03:23<sasuke781>its for CD-1
03:24<_ZeuZ_>Apparently, NOT.
03:24<sasuke781>i was trying CD's instead because i couldnt get netinstall to detect my hardware
03:24<_ZeuZ_>orthe burning software you used is crappy
03:24<sasuke781>nero....i doubt it
03:24<sasuke781>the netinstall iso i have has passed md5
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03:25<sasuke781>but like i said...i cant get it to pickup the ethernet....and it takes over an hour to load as well
03:25<sasuke781>and thats just the cd scan
03:25<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, erm, if you press ctrl+alt+f1, what does the console of it say?
03:26<jebuz>you have to try it several time
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03:26<sasuke781>i have dude......6 on the netinstall
03:26<sasuke781>and you really want me to sit here for the next hour to press that key combo just to tell you what it says
03:26<jebuz>or well atleast i have some times over 10 times, first it loads 3-6-9-12 very slow then i abort then i try again until it goes from 6-100%
03:27<sasuke781>well i think nero is screwing up the burn
03:27<sasuke781>im told that it shouldnt start and the disc phyisicly stops
03:28<jebuz>i used nero and netinst and worked real nice
03:28<jebuz>but i used lenny because its so new the computer.
03:28<jebuz>and the amd version
03:28<sasuke781>wtf is lenny
03:29<sasuke781>well i just want a nice....simple install of debian so i can learn it while using it as my server
03:29<fxiny>go for lenny
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03:29<jebuz>yeah lenny was really easy :)
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03:29<kuber_>i have downloaded firefox 3 version and i need to install it in ubuntu 5.10 version
03:29<sasuke781>well im not really up for more downloading
03:29<kuber_>how to instal
03:30<valdyn>kuber_: why ask us?
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03:30<fxiny>ubu ? wrong chan
03:30<sasuke781>ive d/l more in the last 4 days then over a month
03:30<kuber_>because i am a new for ubuntu?
03:30<sasuke781>in a usual month**
03:30<kuber_>and i dont know how to install
03:30<fxiny>we don't know firebus : we have icewilly
03:30<valdyn>kuber_: maybe you get more lucky in #win or somewhere else where ubuntu is totally off topic
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03:31<jebuz>kuber_: check her.
03:31<jebuz>but thats for the beta2 version
03:32<fxiny>geeks ? i've never seen a geek close to a carnivore gibbon :P
03:32<gcs>Anyone familiar with syslog-ng?
03:33<jebuz>Well no, but i could probably find you help :)
03:33<gcs>jebuz: I have Firefox 3.0.1 packages for Lenny.
03:34<sasuke781> at the boot screen....any info that you need from me now that i can get here ask now
03:34<jebuz>And you install them?
03:34*fxiny looks into opt : what a gtk mess !
03:34<gcs>jebuz: I have my syslog-ng config, so good. But I want to limit who can log remotely.
03:34<jebuz>sasuke781 no i didnt have any problem with it :) easy to install :)
03:34<_ZeuZ_>gcs, that's not controlled by syslog
03:34<gcs>lebuz: Like a firewall, enable remote logging, but only for specific hosts.
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03:35<_ZeuZ_>gcs, I repeat, that has no relation with syslog*
03:35<gcs>_Zeuz_: I use syslog-ng .
03:35<_ZeuZ_>gcs, syslog just logs
03:35<sasuke781>how long should it take to load the boot stuff?
03:35<_ZeuZ_>nothing more than that...
03:36<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, depends on your hardware
03:36<gcs>jebuz: I use Firefox 3.0.1 on Lenny, installed from .deb .
03:36<sasuke781>3.2 ghz celeron D and 512 mb's ram?
03:36<_ZeuZ_>gcs, to limit that, you can start off with ARNO-IPTABLES-FIREWALL (packaged and avaible at repositories)
03:36<jebuz>hm gcs best of you would to check with
03:36<jebuz>Sasuke781, took like 1-2 sec for me
03:37<fxiny>gcs: lenny ?
03:37<gcs>_Zeuz_: Well, syslog-ng has many advanced features, it can filter on a lot of things.
03:37<sasuke781>well...then i have problems....cause its still on the first file
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03:37<gcs>fxiny: Yup, got the Ubuntu package, changed some minor things and compiled for Lenny. Then I installed those debs and they are working.
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03:38<valdyn>!info iceweasel sid
03:38<fxiny>sasuke781: last time i instaleld base in less then a minute . partitioning was already done
03:38<_ZeuZ_>gcs, not on access
03:38<_ZeuZ_>it just logs
03:38<jebuz>sasuke781 ooh the install
03:38<dpkg>Test Failed.
03:38<dpkg>iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1095 kB, Installed size: 3656 kB
03:38<jebuz>well sometimes it stoped for me and then started again
03:38<jebuz>due to internet
03:38<fxiny>gcs: ubu ? why are you talking ubu ? you know this is a debian summer ? debconf and lenny freeze/release ?
03:39<fxiny>gcs: what i wanted to tell you is . lenny offers shorewall PERL
03:40<_ZeuZ_>why shorewall that takes a huge ammount of resources and is no more effective than iptables that deals directly with netfilter?
03:40<sasuke781>yes the install
03:40<sasuke781>i have yet to get this thing installed
03:40<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: it does WHAT?
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03:40<gcs>fxiny: I'm a DD. I know. :-)
03:40<_ZeuZ_>valdyn, iptables is a frontend to netfilter to tell it somehow
03:40<fxiny>_ZeuZ_: the PERL side comes with lenny
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03:40<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: i mean, you are saying that shorewall takes a huge amount of resources
03:40<_ZeuZ_>fxiny, either way, it's a way to loose precious resources
03:40<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: thats bullshit
03:40<fxiny>gcs: a dd ?^ wt4x ! ;)))
03:40<_ZeuZ_>valdyn, take that compared to what iptables takes
03:41<_ZeuZ_>or what pf takes
03:41<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: geez
03:41<sasuke781>see theres gotta be something simple wrong....let me throw in a windows cd to see what the cd drive does
03:41<_ZeuZ_>and you'll see it's useless
03:41<gcs>fxiny: I mentioned Ubuntu just to note that I took their Firefox package and made a Debian one from that.
03:41<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: you totally dont know what you are talking about
03:41<gcs>fxiny: I'm a Debian Developer.
03:41<_ZeuZ_>valdyn, -j REDIRECT your questions, -d away from me
03:41<fxiny>_ZeuZ_: i've been told shorewall perl performs a bit better
03:41<gcs>fxiny: I know a bit Debian, that freeze is coming, etc.
03:41<_ZeuZ_>fxiny, better than something is not in usrland? yeah, righto x'D
03:42<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: *starting* shorewall takes a few seconds, that is all in resources it takes over iptables
03:42<fxiny>gcs: i am a user : i have firebus running on etch via opt :)
03:42<_ZeuZ_>valdyn, more than enough for me to start
03:42<_ZeuZ_>on a crowded network, you cant loose time
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03:42<_ZeuZ_>and not to count it doesnt support good enough failsafe through different interfaces
03:43<fxiny>right : upgrade done . i'll be back riding a fresh polished 2.6.24
03:43<gcs>_ZeuZ_: syslog-ng seems to has filter options on host that send the log. See
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03:44<_ZeuZ_>gcs, let me check
03:44<_ZeuZ_>though best way I can think of is limiting the access to the host
03:44<jebuz>wtf a swedish old lady has 40gbit daaamn now wer talking about 40 000 mbit :P
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03:46<sasuke781>no...i just confirmed the cd drive of being good.....debian discs are the only ones that start and stop....its like...spinup for 1 second andt back down.....speed up for 1 sec...over and over speed rig
03:46<jebuz>well was the same for me
03:47<valdyn>sasuke781: you confirmed that it burns correctly?
03:47<jebuz>i got this sasuske781
03:47<sasuke781>yea...i have nero verify it
03:47<valdyn>sasuke781: burning can easily be broken seperately from reading
03:47<sasuke781>well is there a way to fix this problem....i mean it seriously is taking 5-10 minutes to boot the install
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03:48<valdyn>sasuke781: that issue isnt debian related
03:48<valdyn>sasuke781: only after the kernel is loaded theres linux taking over
03:49<sasuke781>well cant you still help me...since its part of using debian
03:49<sasuke781>i have been in ountless chats asking for help
03:49<valdyn>sasuke781: now i dont think you told us where exactly its getting stuck, but it sounds like its before the kernel is loaded
03:49<sasuke781>this really is last hope
03:49<valdyn>sasuke781: we cant fix your burning skills or your cd drive capabilities
03:49<valdyn>sasuke781: any of which might be broken.. we cannot tell
03:50<sasuke781>ok...theres 2 files that load on the boot screen
03:50<valdyn>sasuke781: youre confusing us
03:50<sasuke781>i havent installed it yet
03:50<sasuke781>does that help
03:50<valdyn>sasuke781: theres no files before the filesystem driver is loaded, thats after the kernel is loaded
03:50<sasuke781>well idk what i got
03:50<sasuke781>i get to this
03:50<sasuke781>black screen
03:51<sasuke781>with the debian logo
03:51<valdyn>sasuke781: ok.
03:51<valdyn>sasuke781: then you hit enter, then what?
03:51<sasuke781>press F1 for help or enter to boot
03:51<sasuke781>then it starts to load 2 files
03:51<valdyn>sasuke781: ok
03:51<sasuke781>linuz or something like that and some gz file
03:51<valdyn>sasuke781: yes
03:51<sasuke781>i dont pay enough attention...if you need the file names ill get them
03:52<valdyn>sasuke781: no i dont need them
03:52<sasuke781>yea....even there it takes forever
03:52<sasuke781>then it sits there for the next hour and scans the cd
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03:52<valdyn>sasuke781: those 2 files are the initramfs first and then the kernel
03:52<valdyn>sasuke781: the loading of those files is done by the boot manager via bios calls
03:52<sasuke781>ok....well thats where it first hangs
03:53<valdyn>sasuke781: and your cd drive stops and starts etc?
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03:53<sasuke781>that and after it asks for languages
03:53<sasuke781>and all the way through after
03:53<valdyn>sasuke781: so its slow, but its actually working
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03:54<valdyn>sasuke781: you shouldnt use the lenny installer btw
03:54<sasuke781>its really slow and fails a lot
03:55<valdyn>sasuke781: you being presented the language selection dialogue means it worked up to that point...
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03:56<sasuke781>yea and then it slows down to almost nothing....2%..5 minutes goes by...5%.....and so on
03:56<valdyn>is that where its checking the cd for errors?
03:57<sasuke781>is that what its doing....
03:57<sasuke781>regardless thats when it slows down
03:57<valdyn>sasuke781: dont ask me, its written on your screen
03:57<sasuke781>no thats where it scans it
03:58<sasuke781>thats what it says its doing
03:58<valdyn>sasuke781: scanning a whole cd can take a while
03:58<sasuke781>"scanning CDROM"
03:58<valdyn>sasuke781: that will seem forever if your disk is burnt badly or your drive cant read it clearly
03:59<sasuke781>well idk....using nero....brand new cd\dvd burner
03:59<sasuke781>so idk
03:59<valdyn>sasuke781: use the etch installer, not lenny
03:59<valdyn>sasuke781: or kmuto, but not lenny
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03:59<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
03:59<sasuke781>i am
03:59<valdyn>sasuke781: you are what?
03:59<sasuke781>using the etch i think
04:00<valdyn>sasuke781: you can skip the cd checking part too
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04:01<valdyn>sasuke781: idk, probably just in expert mode
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04:01<valdyn>sasuke781: which you can get to if you select that in the first boot screen with that debian logo
04:01<sasuke781>i type expert right?
04:01<sasuke781>and then hit enter
04:02<valdyn>sasuke781: hit F1 for instructions
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04:02<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, type expertgui and see how it deals
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04:04<sasuke781>try tellin me that sooner next time
04:04<sasuke781>i got it though
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04:04<sasuke781>will u 2 be here in like 10 hours
04:04<sasuke781>still be here*
04:04<sasuke781>cause i really need to eyes are on fire
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04:06<sasuke781>well nevermind....its up already =]
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04:08<sasuke781>OMG thank you soo much
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04:08<sasuke781>this is going soo much faster
04:10<sasuke781>if there was a voting system for what debian channel and server is the best...this is it =]
04:10<_ZeuZ_>What did you actually did at the end of the scene? xD
04:11<dpkg>Test Failed.
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04:11<_ZeuZ_>me senses the test is going to fail
04:11<valdyn>wtf is up with karma
04:11<valdyn>!karma valdy
04:11<dpkg>valdy has neutral karma
04:11<valdyn>!karma valdyn
04:11<dpkg>valdyn has karma of 8
04:11<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, did expertgui work?
04:12<sasuke781>it is working
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04:12<sasuke781>much better then the other way
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04:12<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, well, loving to hear that.. 5.11 on the morinig here and I'm going to sleep...
04:12<sasuke781>im already halfway though loading additional components
04:12<_ZeuZ_>wouldn;t have liked to leave you in the air...
04:12<sasuke781>i should be
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04:13<sasuke781>lol thank you so much again man
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04:14<sasuke781>both of you
04:14<_ZeuZ_>sasuke781, good luck
04:14<sasuke781>thank you
04:16<jebuz>!dupe VA_Beats_Mini_Mix_Dj_White-Bootleg-2008-ZellDance
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04:18<fxiny>error playing xmms2 >> * glibc detected * corrupted double-linked list: 0x080b88a8 ***
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04:22<fxiny>it seems libc6 update broke xmms2
04:23<fxiny>anyone checked it ?
04:23<fxiny>on etch > 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
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04:25<gsimmons>fxiny: Works for me.
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04:28<fxiny>gsimmons: tx . trying to clear medialib.db
04:28<fxiny>gsimmons: you update todau libc6 ?
04:30<tzafrir>hi, suddenly (after resuming from s2disk) most programs don't render fonts properly
04:30<gsimmons>fxiny: That's right, 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7.
04:30<tzafrir>system is lenny
04:31<tzafrir>font simply does not appear (empty)
04:31<fxiny>still getting segfault
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04:31<fxiny>i won't give up
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04:32<gsimmons>fxiny: Are other audio applications similiarly affected?
04:33<fxiny>gsimmons: xmms plays fine
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04:34<fxiny>alsamixer is ok . i had only once this error : * glibc detected * corrupted double-linked list: 0x080b88a8 ***
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04:34<qdii>what can you do when your wifi device won't appear in lspci (albeit yr computer is a laptop)
04:34<fxiny>sometines it segfault
04:34<tzafrir>I can't find any error message. pango-view --backend=cairo /etc/fstab # show empty
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04:35<fxiny>removed xmms2 dir
04:35<sasuke781>later guys..ill pick up on the install in the wont do anything without me will it wont time out?
04:35<tzafrir>pango-view --backend=ft2 /etc/fstab # renders fine. likewise backend=x
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04:36<manu>Hi all, I have a problem getting my soundcard to work correctly to play 5.1 audio. I have an asus laptop (ICH6, ALC880) connected to an A/V receiver (SPDIF) and I can only play on 2 channels
04:36<fxiny>booting a 2.6.18
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04:36<manu>if I try to play a wav file with 6 channels aplay says : aplay: set_params:923: Channels count non available
04:37<manu>(aplay -D iec958 test.wav)
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04:37<manu>and mplayer simply plays it on 2 channels without even giving an error (even with -channels 6 -ao alsa:device=iec958)
04:38<manu>does anybody has got surround to work correctly on this card?
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04:39<manu>alsa info on my system :
04:40<tzafrir>so, if this were some kind of library breakage, how come it suddenly showed up only after a resume?
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04:47<valdyn>tzafrir: restart X - is it still there then?
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04:49<tzafrir>valdyn: heck, I I use suspend/resume to keep long X sessions :-)
04:49<tzafrir>But running a second X for testing is a good idea, thanks
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04:53<tzafrir>interesting. in gvim: :set guifont=fixed
04:53<tzafrir>made the font visible
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05:02<tzafrir>that did it!
05:03<tzafrir>I opened a second X, and gedit rendered just fine in it
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05:04<tzafrir>but then I pressed ctrl-alt-F7 and then all programs rendered good again
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05:05<fxiny>right : looks like is the 2.6.24 kernel . found segfaults lines on logs : xmms2d[4674]: segfault at 0000000e eip b7e74024 esp b78aae08 error , xmms2d[4786]: segfault at b7ea2ae0 eip b7e4f041 esp b7885e08 error 7 and so on . trying 2.6.24 on a different hardware
05:07<qdii>my WIFI device isn't listed in lspci
05:08<gsimmons>qdii: If it's a mini-PCI device, ensure you have the relevant options enabled for it in your system's BIOS (eg. "MiniPCI device" and "Wireless Devices" both enabled). This has caught out a few users with Dell laptops. If very recent, your wireless device may instead be part of the USB subsystem (try `lsusb' instead).
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05:13<qdii>yea okay i think i've got it in lsusb
05:13<qdii>thanks for the tip ;)
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05:20<fxiny>gsimmons: different hardware . same ~/.config/xmms2 mlib included , yesterday libc5 , etchnhalf 2.6.24 kernel xmms2 plays fine , upgrading libc6 now
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05:26<fxiny>gsimmons: it segfaults !
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05:28<fxiny>must be libc6 then , but i cannot see anymore the * glibc detected * corrupted double-linked list: 0x080b88a8 *** error
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05:28<fxiny>i've seen it only one time
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05:31<fxiny>wt4x ! not it plays , collected another error : xmms2d[10211] general protection eip:b7de06f9 esp:bfb3e074 error:0
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05:33<jeanmiiii>I am on a 2.6.9 kernel
05:33<jeanmiiii>as I need to compile a mmodule for that kernel I have downloaded the sources, etc
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05:34<jeanmiiii>but when I make the modules, their extension is .o instead of .ko
05:34<jeanmiiii>has anyone a clue ?
05:34<fxiny>jeanmiiii: 2.6.9 ? you and tutankamon i guess :P
05:34<lothar>Hi all!
05:34<jeanmiiii>fxiny :)
05:34<fxiny>jeanmiiii: that's a tutankernel :)
05:35<lothar>I want to allow connections to X11 from remote. How do I activate this ?
05:35<jeanmiiii>the thing is that I got to live with that kernel because the machine's display is dead and CD driver too
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05:35<jeanmiiii>so anyways, any idea why the extension/format is wrong ?
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05:36<fxiny>wt4x ! it must work on this box as well : rebooting into etchnhalf
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05:51<jebuz>hmm alot of users in here but not so many active
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05:57<lothar>Yes, I still got no answer to my question :-(
05:58<simeon>Hey can anyone help me with one issue?
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06:02<lothar>I want to allow connections to X11 from remote (xterm, or later qemu session). How do I activate this ?
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06:03<EmleyMoor>Trying to bring my laptop up to date, this is happening in update manager:
06:03<EmleyMoor> Could not connect to (, connection timed out.
06:04<EmleyMoor>Anyone else seeing trouble with that site? Should I change to another country to bring it up to date?
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06:04<davi>What suspend2disk package do you advice me to install?
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06:29<lothar>Is there anyone with knowledge of configureing X11 Server for remote access (tcp port 600X) ?
06:29<mordy__>lothar - i think the port is 177, IIRC
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06:31<lothar>Ahh, maybe I used 6000 with vnc as the 'X' server. But I like to use the Debian box directly be setting DISPLAY=mydebianbox:0.0 and connect to that box from remote with xterm for sample.
06:31<mordy__>lothar - XDMCP
06:31<dpkg>hmm... xdmcp is if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world"
06:32<lothar>I seems, that I have to install xdm ?
06:33<mordy__>lothar, not necessarily
06:34<lothar>I have installed the gdm, how to configure gdm ?
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06:38<qq>lothar: change "-nolisten" to "-listen" in >>> cat /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
06:39<qq>(maybe ...)
06:39<mordy__>lothar - gdmsetup
06:41<lothar>I have chenged -nolisten to listen. I tried to use gdmsetup, but there are too much settings that likely have to do with a complete desktop rather than a single X application to appear on my mac (the remote X server). I'll try that now.
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06:42<mordy__>lothat - try the "security" and "Remote" tabs on the gui
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07:02<jebuz>*** glibc detected *** ./eggdrop: malloc: top chunk is corrupt: 0x0000000000ad0370 ***
07:02<jebuz>*** glibc detected *** ./eggdrop: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0000000000aec150 ***
07:02<jebuz>*** glibc detected *** ./eggdrop: malloc: top chunk is corrupt: 0x0000000000aec1b0 ***
07:02<fxiny>seen ?
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07:02<fxiny>i belive libc6 is borked
07:03<fxiny>gsimmons: ^^^^
07:03<jebuz>so any solutions?
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07:03<fxiny>wait for the real cotders . qwe are users . we can report without annoying (too much . a bit is fine :)
07:04<fxiny>i've replaced my backups and i'm keeping an eye to my mbox
07:05<lothar>Hi, now I am a step further, after some trouble with reboot and black screens. I don't know why. But I get this error: Xlib: connection to "mac:0.0" refused by server
07:05<lothar>Xlib: No protocol specified. Any idea ?
07:05<fxiny>jebuz: how many times have you seen that warning ?
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07:05<fxiny>cause i've seen it only one time
07:06<fxiny>that puzzles me
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07:06<mick>nick Obby
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07:08<qq>lothar: must be something like "mac:1"
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07:08<qq>on remote sure ,,,
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07:09<lothar>xterm Xt error: Can't open display: mac:1
07:09<qq>"mac:0.0" is for local access
07:09<qq>vnc server is running ?
07:09<lothar>Because 'MAC' as the remote host name ?
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07:10<lothar>No vnc server is running. Configured gdm to listen on tcp port 6000
07:10<qq>that is you who need to know
07:10<qq>start than vnc
07:11<lothar>mac:~# netstat -na | grep tcp
07:12<lothar>tcp 0 0* LISTEN
07:13<lothar>I must ash how to configure the protocol rather than configuring access. The port is listening :-)
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07:14<qq>which protocol ?
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07:15<lothar>Xlib: No protocol specified. Any idea ? (As I have no idea too)
07:15<qq>ons starting vncserver all is ok , you may connect to remote
07:16<qq>by a vnc client
07:17<lothar>Yes, vncserver will be ok. But it should be working with gdm too. So there must be at least any documentation about how to configure it.
07:17<lothar>Why else could I configure listening on tcp port 6000
07:17<qq> vnc client will use automatically gdm
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07:18<qq>so stop searching other things
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07:19<qq>just start vncserver
07:20<qq>he will give the name to the remote connect like "mac:1"
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07:38<EmleyMoor>How do I find alsa card:device specs for my connected audio devices?
07:39<lotha1>I found the solution: scp .Xauthority lothar@*remotehost*:.Xauthority. That's the cause, why the X server refuses the connection. This file must be distributed to the clients :-)
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07:41<lotha1>German :-( docu:
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07:43<EmleyMoor>If I want to specify card 3, device 0 as an ALSA device spec, how do I do it?
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07:56<yago>hi, does anyone has problems with khubd procces?
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08:11<EmleyMoor>I can't remember the right way to type a card:device for, say, mpg321
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08:15<MrNaz>when partitioning a new system, does at least one partition have to be bootable? is making / bootable required? or can you have a /boot and have that being the only bootable partition ?
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08:17<pumpkin0>MrNaz: grub does not care about the bootable-flag. Only the windows bootloader needs it.
08:19<fxiny>EmleyMoor: iirc : asoundconf set-default-card ?
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08:20<MrNaz>well good then
08:20<fxiny>EmleyMoor: check asoundconf list
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08:24<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Found the problem now - thanks
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08:25<EmleyMoor>All I need to do now is work out how to apply it in fuse
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08:44<Tuplad>can I somehow check harddrive temperature in console?
08:45<fxiny>yes : hddtemp
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08:45<erKURITA>only if your hard drive supports S.M.A.R.T. and it's activated
08:46<Tuplad>it's an external drive I want to check
08:46<Tuplad>it's extremly hot and I dont know if it's normal
08:46<pumpkin0>Tuplad: external via USB or eSATA ?
08:47<Tuplad>pumpkin0: USB
08:47<erKURITA>does the case have any ventilation or way to cool?
08:47<pumpkin0>Tuplad: your chances to get SMART-over-USB are very small. Most USB-Chip block that protocol.
08:48<fxiny>Tuplad: how hot ?
08:48<pumpkin0>Tuplad: and the HD temperature is not that critical if the papers from google are right.
08:48<Tuplad>erKURITA: no, I dont think so
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08:49<Tuplad>fxiny: well, pretty hot...
08:49<fxiny>48-50 ?
08:49<Tuplad>fxiny: no idea... dont think it's that hot though
08:49<fxiny>so is ok
08:49<erKURITA>Tuplad so it doesn't have any fans, no heatsinks, it's made of plastic and completely closed?
08:49<erKURITA>I doubt so
08:49<Tuplad>erKURITA: it has a metal case... that's all I know
08:50<Tuplad>and whenever there is some action, like copying files it gets HOT
08:50<erKURITA>How old is the hard-drive anyway?
08:51<Tuplad>it's a LACIE hdd, 500gb, got it in january
08:51<erKURITA>10k RPM ?
08:51*erKURITA never heard of LACIE
08:52<erKURITA>brb food
08:52<Tuplad>I've got a sticker here
08:52<Tuplad>with UPC, EAN, Product and serial number
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08:53<fxiny>Tuplad: check the bottom of the case for a way to let air flowing through , see it you can lift it up while running
08:53<Tuplad>500GB LaCie DESKTOP HARD DISK USB 2.0 7200 RPM 8MB
08:53<pumpkin0>Tuplad: metal cases are usually allright. The heat can escape via the metal. And lacie is not a cheap brand. It should be OK.
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08:53<Tuplad>there are holes underneath, but no air
08:53<fxiny>a decent air flow should be ok
08:53<fxiny>no holes ?
08:53<Tuplad>a lot of holes
08:53<Tuplad>a grid of holes, but no air is "flowing" out
08:54<fxiny>the grid is ok
08:54<fxiny>it "sucks" air form the bottom
08:55<Tuplad>so nothing to worry about ? :D
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09:02<Tuplad>ok, so I've got hddtemp, but how do I find out what hdd I've got ? :')
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09:03<pumpkin0>Tuplad: smartctl -a /dev/sd<your-hd>
09:05<Tuplad>pumpkin0: smartctl seems like a wrong command, aptitude doesnt have it either :o
09:06<pumpkin0>Tuplad: smartctl is part of the smartmontools.
09:06<Tuplad>oh roger that
09:06<fxiny>Tuplad: tupe df then try hddtemp /dev/xxx
09:06<fxiny>if works
09:07<pumpkin0>Tuplad: hddtemp will work if smartctl works on your USB drive. If smartctl fails ... don't bother running hddtemp.
09:07<Azzz>can realvnc server be run on xebain ?
09:07<Tuplad>I'm actually trying to findout the temperature of my normal hdd first :p
09:07<fxiny>Tuplad: like this : /dev/hda: Maxtor 51024U2: drive supported, but it doesn't have a temperature sensor
09:07<pumpkin0>Tuplad: it should work, unless you messed up a lot...
09:08<Tuplad>pumpkin0: dont think I messed up anything
09:08<Tuplad>fxiny: /dev/hda: Maxtor 6Y120L0: 47°C
09:08<pumpkin0>Azzz: stop pm'ing people.
09:08<fxiny>Tuplad: /dev/hdb: Maxtor 6E030L0: 34°C
09:09<Tuplad>and if I try my external, I get /dev/sda1: ST3500830AS: S.M.A.R.T. unavailable
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09:09<pumpkin0>Tuplad: smartctl --smart=on ?
09:09<fxiny>Tuplad: i have a 6Y120L0 as well
09:09<Tuplad>pumpkin0: not installed yet :p
09:09<Tuplad>doing it now
09:09<fxiny>nope is a 80
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09:10<Tuplad>pumpkin0: while installing I got this: * Not starting S.M.A.R.T. daemon smartd, disabled via /etc/default/smartmontools
09:10<Tuplad>or is it normal ?
09:10<pumpkin0>Tuplad: that' normal.
09:11<Tuplad>pumpkin0: did smartctl --smart=on, got ERROR: smartctl requires a device name as the final command-line argument.
09:11<pumpkin0>Tuplad: the daemon can check the HD health status every XY min and send you a mail if it starts failing. But it is disabled by default.
09:11<Tuplad>pumpkin0: oh, that's leet!
09:11<pumpkin0>Tuplad: append the HD you want to work with.
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09:12<Tuplad>pumpkin0: I wanna try my external, but is it safe ? I'm in the middle of converting a DVD on that disk.
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09:12<pumpkin0>Tuplad: it should be save
09:12<Tuplad>pumpkin0: did smartctl --smart=on /dev/sda1
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09:12<Azzz> Im running xebian on my xbox and im trying to get realvnc running but im having some problems can any one help ?
09:13<Tuplad>Informational Exceptions (SMART) enabled - Temperature warning disabled
09:13<pumpkin0>Tuplad: smart is guesswork. It may tell you the HD is fine while it is already burning down. It may also tell you the HD is failing while it still runs just fine.
09:13<fxiny>Tuplad: you can look at collectd-hddtemp/lm-sensors for more stats
09:13<pumpkin0>Tuplad: sounds good.
09:13<Tuplad>fxiny: :o
09:14<pumpkin0>Azzz: what is the error msg ?
09:14<Tuplad>pumpkin0: so I'm done now ? hddtemp still doesnt show no temperature though
09:14<fxiny>be prepared for LARGE rrd files :P
09:14<fxiny>very large ...
09:14<Tuplad>fxiny: I frankly dont know what you're talking bout :P
09:14<Tuplad>fxiny: and I dont dare to ask for explanation :')
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09:14<pumpkin0>Tuplad: does smartctl -a <drive> work ?
09:14<fxiny>Tuplad: apt-cache show collectd-hddtemp
09:15<Tuplad>pumpkin0: yes
09:15<Azzz>Xbox1:/usr/local/bin# ./vncserver
09:15<Azzz>You will require a password to access your desktops.
09:15<Azzz>vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
09:15<fxiny>i don't think is a good idea
09:15<Tuplad>fxiny: oh, dont want large files :P
09:15<pumpkin0>Tuplad: there should be a table with a line: 194 Temperature_Celsius ?
09:15<Azzz>i tryed apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
09:15<fxiny>no ones likes large files :)
09:16<pumpkin0>Tuplad: usually the last value in that line is the temperature in °C.
09:16<Tuplad>that's all I get
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09:16<Azzz>Any ideas pumpkin0 ?
09:17<pumpkin0>Tuplad: Try sda, not sda1.
09:17<Tuplad>pumpkin0: same
09:17<pumpkin0>Azzz: no idea why the maintainer of xedian killed that package. Ask them, they broke it.
09:17<Tuplad>pumpkin0: I do get detailed information for /dev/hda though
09:18<pumpkin0>Tuplad: That drive seems a bit limited or the USB-chip interferes with the smart protocoll.
09:18<Tuplad>I see
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09:18<pumpkin0>Tuplad: that is bad luck.
09:18<Tuplad>pumpkin0: oh well :) shit happens I guess
09:19<Azzz>is there no way to get the package installed that you know of pumpkin0
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09:19<pumpkin0>Azzz: vncserver should not be installable via apt-get if a lib is missing. They messed up the dependencies, they have to fix it.
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09:33<MrNaz>i've just installed a base debian system and i'm trying to build a package from source... i've installed make and gcc but ./configure is telling me: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables are there any other packages i need to build something from source?
09:33<dpkg>build-essential is probably a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
09:34<MrNaz>sweet thanks
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09:38<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
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09:41<Tallken>dpkg's descriptions is a bit nonsense, I mean, it was not *probably* designed to help you, it is a package which includes all the basic tools which are needed to create executables and build Debian packages. ...
09:41<MrNaz>thanks for that
09:41<MrNaz>solved my problem nicely
09:41<Tallken>BTW, is really aptitude the recommended way? I always get nuts with aptitude installing a mailserver when I install smartmontools.....
09:42<MrNaz>Tallken doesnt smartmontools need a mailserver to send you error messages? you can always disable that functionality and then remove the mailserver
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09:45<Tallken>MrNaz, well it *can* send me error messages; but it needs configuration for that; I really think pulling a full fledged MTA isn't the answer ^^
09:47*Tallken @ lunch; MrNaz, will read your answer, if any, later. cya
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09:56<MrNaz>Tallken granted, but given that smartmontools looks for an MTA as part of its operation, an MTA is, by definition, a dependency... the only options are a) not install an MTA and give the user a warning (that would only occur in debian) that certain functionality will not be avaailable without an MTA or disabling that functionality by default in the package... i agree, none of these seem optimal...
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09:57<MrNaz>however given the relationship between packages these days, i think the lesser of these evils is to just satisfy all dependencies... anything else is a slippery slope to somewhere nasty
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10:19<Tallken>MrNaz, ya, I see where you getting at... Ok, I agree with you, but it's good to have apt-get as a fallback when aptitude seems to be downloading way too many things
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10:20<erKURITA>apt-get > aptitude
10:20<Tallken>erKURITA, lol y?
10:21<erKURITA>easier for me to work with
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10:21<gsimmons>Tallken: Your case is due to aptitude's default handling of recommendations as dependencies. You can turn this off on a per-command basis using -R.
10:21<Tallken>erKURITA, except for that smartmontools example, I guess a program installing using aptitude is best
10:21<com989>could you tell me how to apply a patch?
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10:21<erKURITA>I wonder...
10:21<dpkg>from memory, patch is just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1'
10:22<Tallken>gsimmons, didn't know that... but that will make aptitude behave like apt-get or not?
10:22<Tallken>com989, apply a patch to a program or kernel?
10:22<dpkg>apt-build is, like, an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful.
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10:22<com989>Tallken to a kernel (a module powernow)
10:23<erKURITA>!tell com989 about patch
10:23<Tallken>ok, someone tell dpkg that apt-build indeed has the advantage of building the package, AFAIK
10:23<Tallken>I don't want to do make install on a Debian system, do I?
10:24<erKURITA>why not?
10:24<com989>ok guys thanks
10:24<fxiny>no . aptitude works very well . i used it always on etch , double checking it with apt-get , i know aptitude has bugs but i never had problems
10:24<com989>do i have to compile after applying the patch?
10:24<fxiny>so apatitude imporved a lot
10:25<Tallken>erKURITA, well it seems... not Debian way lol
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10:25<fxiny>and this is a slow machine . not aptitude friendly
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10:25<Tallken>erKURITA, I only use make install nowadays because I still haven't found out how to package stuff
10:26<Tallken>erKURITA, I'm currently trying to package mercury compiler
10:26<erKURITA>but as long as the Makefile of the sources have a make uninstall option, it shouldn't pose a problem, does it?
10:26<fxiny>the acid test imho will be the upgrade etch2lenny
10:26<com989>Tallken do I have to compile the whole kernel after applying the patch ? (i only want to patch a specific module)
10:26<Tallken>erKURITA, no, no issue at all
10:26<erKURITA>!tell erKURITA about cwm
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10:27<Tallken>com989, hum
10:27<erKURITA>com989 you shouldn't need to
10:27<Tallken>com989, well, I'm not sure about the Debian way... which command are you using to compile the kernel?
10:27<erKURITA>There's a way to compile it 'the Debian way'
10:27<erKURITA>I believe it was build-kpgk ...
10:27<erKURITA>!tell erKURITA about build-kpkg
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10:28<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
10:28<Tallken>erKURITA, this /\
10:28<Tallken>com989, but wait
10:28<erKURITA>that way
10:29<com989>tallken tell me
10:29<Tallken>com989, if you want the easy way just follow it; if you don't, wait to read
10:29<Tallken>com989, when you compile something manually you type make
10:29<com989>what's the easiest way?
10:29<com989>yes tallken
10:29<Tallken>com989, make-kpkg, plain and simple
10:29<Tallken>com989, if you change something in the program, tyiping make will compile only what has been changed
10:30<Tallken>com989, the problem is
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10:30<sasuke781>whats better.....the GRUB boot loader or the LILO
10:31<Tallken>com989, I don't know if make-kpkg by default does "make clean; make" which cleans all compiled files, even if not changed; do note it is the recommended way to ensure there are no problems BUT usually it is not needed
10:31<pumpkin0>sasuke781: for the end-user ? grub
10:31<Tallken>com989, so if you have time, read the man page to check if the as something like a "--no-clean" or something like that
10:32<erKURITA>,1976.html <= do want
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10:32<com989>so from if i'm right, i do not have to compile the whole kernel. but just the module i want patched. ok?
10:32<com989>no "from" sorry
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10:33<Tallken>com989, if you have already compiled once the kernel on your machine, yes
10:33<Tallken>and didn't use make clean
10:34<com989>i have not compiled the kernel. i use a lenny procompiled one
10:34<Tallken>ah lol sorry then you have to compile the whole thing
10:34<Tallken>com989, machine specs?
10:35<com989>well ... laptop amd xp mobile 1800+ 512mb ram
10:36<Tallken>shouldn't take long
10:36<Tallken>why do you need the patch?
10:36<com989>the module powernow-k7 has a rounding issue
10:36<com989>that is
10:36<com989>it doesn't give me full speed of my cpu
10:37<Tallken>ah ok
10:37<com989>so it is important
10:37<com989>this patch was created in 2007
10:37<com989>why isn't it still integrated into the kernel?
10:38<philsf>if I upgrade libc6 to lenny, do I have to recompile compiled programs?
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10:39<Tallken>philsf, probably
10:39<com989>i think it takes about and hour to compile. is it normal?
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10:40<erKURITA>what, the kernel?
10:40<erKURITA>What processor?
10:40<philsf>Tallken: libc6 is what determines binary compatibility, right?
10:40<erKURITA>philsf libc6 is the GNU C Library
10:40<erKURITA>updating shouldn't mean you have to recompile the programs, unless their packages require an specific version of the C libraries
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10:41<philsf>erKURITA: and the version check passes if version available is newer than version needed?
10:42<philsf>(I have no C skills)
10:42<Tallken>philsf, I thought so, but not sure since reading erKURITA's answer
10:42<erKURITA>philsf it depends on the packages dependencies
10:42<CaDhV>Hi everyone, after doing a upgrade from debian sarge with kernel 2.4 , to etch with kernel 2.6 , i've had a couple of issues , dpkg is not working, and i get errors when i try to use fore example a dpkg-reconfigure like this, perl: warning: Setting locale failed, locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory and similar, i also have problem for example if i want to run comand top, i get this: top: error while loading shared librar
10:42<CaDhV>ies: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory , does anyone has some idea what could be the problem ?
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10:42<erKURITA>ah the locales
10:42<erKURITA>damned locales
10:43<philsf>erKURITA: not packages, programs from outside debian realm (most non dsfg)
10:43<jebuz>cya guys and girls, now ive finished my idle time here :) got a fully secured server :)
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10:43<philsf>but yeah, thanks
10:43<erKURITA>then you should go to their webpages and see the supported version of the C librarie
10:43<SKY_FORR_EVER>HI guys
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10:44<philsf>erKURITA: OTOH, if I upgrade, and it doesn't work, it should be obvious like a segfault right away, right? I shouldn't worry for hidden errors (?)
10:45<sasuke781>guys im having trouble booting into debian after a fresh install....any suggestions?
10:45<erKURITA>or it may not break that program
10:45<philsf>great, thanks
10:45<erKURITA>it's all try and miss
10:45<erKURITA>sasuke781 uhm, which mode did you use to install
10:46<fxiny>CaDhV: do you know lenny will be release as stable in semptember ?
10:46<erKURITA>fxiny really?
10:46<sasuke781>etch netinstall i386
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10:46<erKURITA>as in, Expert or Normal mode
10:47<fxiny>erKURITA: moooooooooooooooo
10:47<CaDhV>i didn't know
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10:47<erKURITA>oh snap
10:47<erKURITA>they're switching sh to dash
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10:48<avu>erKURITA, no they're not
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10:48<fxiny>switching to dash ? hardore shorewall users will do shorewall PERL :P
10:48<avu>erKURITA, the default /bin/sh in lenny is and will be bash.
10:48<CaDhV>fxiny: but i had to upgrade to etch , cause of work, do you havae some idea what could be the cause of my problems ?
10:49<avu>erKURITA, the release goal is only to enable people to use dash as /bin/sh if they want to without them breaking their systems
10:49<erKURITA>Release goals
10:49<erKURITA>* Switch /bin/sh to dash
10:49<fxiny>CaDhV: perl is just a warning
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10:49<erKURITA>sasuke781 ok, which boot loader did you instll
10:50<erKURITA>LILO or GRUB ?
10:50<erKURITA>Okay, in MBR or in partition ?
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10:50<fxiny>avu: yes ? good news then : i want bash :)
10:51<erKURITA>did you mark that partition as Bootable?
10:51<erKURITA>fxiny zsh for me :>
10:51<sasuke781>o.O i have no idea?
10:51<avu>erKURITA, you don't want zsh as /bin/sh.
10:51<erKURITA>sasuke781 when you create the / partition, and you intend to install GRUB in the partition, you must mark that partition as the bootable one
10:52<erKURITA>avu why not :<
10:52<sasuke781>where do i do that?
10:52<avu>erKURITA, because it's not fully POSIX compliant. you may want it as your login shell
10:52<avu>erKURITA, which is something different
10:52<fxiny>erKURITA: i tought you were a korn gui
10:52<erKURITA>sasuke781 in the Partitioning menu
10:52<erKURITA>fxiny lolwut? I love using a shell
10:53<sasuke781>i just did it never asked?
10:53<erKURITA>it's faster than reaching for my mouse and moving it
10:53<avu>erKURITA, korn is a shell, too...
10:53<CaDhV>fxiny: Ok, after all those warnings i get this error dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: No such file or directory, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed , but locale is installed because when i excecute locale i get the output
10:53<fxiny>avu: :)
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10:53<fxiny>erKURITA: if only i could remeber how to call for the trout factoid :P
10:53<avu>fxiny, (see BTW for example about the dash/bash thing)
10:54<erKURITA>sasuke781 that's the problem with the guided partitioning, you don't get to select it. You must choose manual OR select GRUB to install it on the MBR
10:54<avu>erKURITA, for you too
10:54<sasuke781>how can i do that now =[
10:54*erKURITA reads
10:54<erKURITA>sasuke781 re-install or get a LiveCD and install grub with it
10:54<fxiny>avu: bloody hell : i must subscribe to devel as well :)
10:54<fxiny>i don't feel to but ...
10:55<avu>fxiny, devel-announce...
10:55<avu>quite low traffic
10:55<fxiny>avu: low ?
10:55<avu>and quite important/interesting stuff
10:55<avu>of course
10:55<sasuke781>can you do that from puppy linux?
10:55<sasuke781>cause i have it on usb stick
10:55<avu>devel*anncounce* :)
10:55<avu>not devel :)
10:55<fxiny>puppy who ? :P
10:55<erKURITA>sasuke781 if it has grub-install then yes, you can
10:55<erKURITA>puppy linux
10:56<sasuke781>i have no idea if it does or not
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10:57<gsimmons>sasuke781: You can start Debian Installer in rescue mode, in order to reinstall GRUB in your previously installed system.
10:57<gsimmons>!tell sasuke781 -about rescue mode
10:58<erKURITA>Based in Slackware
10:58<lst>i can't boot from my HDD any longer, but i can mount it in a live CD
10:58<fxiny>avu: he's saying dash will be default !
10:59<erKURITA>This goal doesn't mean we'd switch to
10:59<erKURITA>dash as a global default, but if people do so on their system, there
10:59<erKURITA>shouldn't be any issue after the last bugs have been finished off.
10:59<avu>fxiny, no.
10:59<fxiny>ok .reading
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10:59<lst>so what can i do? i have no idea where to start resolving this
10:59<avu>the release is about bein *possible* to use dash as /bin/sh
10:59<fxiny>avu: ahhhhhh >> This goal doesn't mean we'd switch to
10:59<fxiny>safe !
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11:00<avu>fxiny, and still, you know /bin/sh is only about what scripts use, not about what's used interactivly, right? :)
11:00<fxiny>yes :)
11:00<avu>ok then ;)
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11:01<supaman>I am trying to get mutt to recognise text/x-diff and text/x-patch mime-types as text and display them in the pager ... I have the corresponding lines in my .mailcap and the auto_view for those mime-types in my .muttrc but I still get [-- text/x-diff is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] ... any ideas (this is the standard solution so I am wondering if there is some debian specific problem)
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11:04<lst>i can't boot from my HDD any longer, but i can mount it in a live CD, so what can i do? i have no idea where to start resolving this
11:05<supaman>lst: how far into the boot process do you get?
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11:05<lst>i boot, and all i get is a flashing _
11:06<supaman>flashing what?
11:06<lst>an underscore
11:06<supaman>ah, sorry .. ok :)
11:06<supaman>so you get the screen that lets you choose which kernel to boot?
11:06<lst>no, i only get the bios screen
11:07<supaman>that is the grub/lilo screen
11:07<erKURITA>then the grub is not being loaded
11:07<fxiny>wt4x ! he left !
11:07<lst>so do i replace the stuff in my /boot with the standards then?
11:07<supaman>lst: then you should try to reinstall grub from your live disk
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11:08<lst>hm, the live disc is a sidux though, not a pure debian
11:09<erKURITA>all you need is grub-install
11:09<supaman>if it boots, it boots, you can reinstall the master boot record once your in your normal setup if that makes you feel more comfortable :)
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11:10<fxiny>supaman: how's the auto_view line ?
11:11<supaman>fxiny: auto_view text/x-diff text/x-patch
11:11<lst>so i would do grub-install --root-directory=/media/disk1part1/
11:11<lst>the path being the /boot
11:12<erKURITA>lst yeah, that should do good
11:12<erKURITA>and make sure that partition is bootable
11:14<supaman>fxiny: yeh, I saw that earlyer .. but I didn't have those lines earlyer and then I could not view text/x-diff or text/x-patch so I added them and it doesn't work either
11:14<lst>oh, i need to add something,< INSTALL_DEVICE can be a GRUB device name or a system device filename. >
11:14<supaman>lst: grub-install /dev/hda
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11:15<supaman>lst: need to tell it to which media the grub should go ... I suppose it is hda
11:15<lst> /dev/hda or just hda ?
11:16<erKURITA> /dev/hdaX where X is the partition
11:17<lst>so i would have to drop the =/media/disk1part1/
11:17<erKURITA>I wonder...
11:17<erKURITA>!man grub-install
11:18<supaman>doh ... my mailcap file had been changed in .muttrc .. just noticed it
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11:19<supaman>now it works like a charm
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11:19<fxiny>mutt is a religion
11:20<fxiny>well not relly
11:20<supaman>and I am a firm believer ;)
11:20<erKURITA>That kind of religion is dangerous
11:20<lst> /dev/hda1: Not found or not a block device.
11:20<erKURITA>look at Scientology and Mac users :X
11:20<fxiny>exactly . wrong word
11:20<supaman>most defintetly :)
11:20<kevc>mutt is quite painful these days
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11:20<fxiny>mac ? hahahahah
11:21<erKURITA>lst fdisk -l
11:21<erKURITA>chances it's loading them as sda instead of hda
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11:21<lst>yep, i forgot sidux names them sda instead of hda like debian
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11:23<lst>i'm wondering what caused it to break
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11:29<lst>i'm gonna check now
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11:43<lst>it didnt zork
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11:45<erKURITA>are you sure you're pointing grub-install at the correct partition where /boot is?
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11:45<lst> /dev/hda1 (or sda1) should be the /boot
11:45<erKURITA>or by default, to MBR ?
11:45<lst>i've checked
11:46<erKURITA>did you make that partition bootable?
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11:46<lst>i don't think i did the latter
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11:49<lst>ok, trying again
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11:51<sasuke781>how do i make a debian livecd
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11:56<cahoot>sasuke781: try /msg dpkg livecd
11:56<lst> /dev/sda1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
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12:02<thebeerhunter>hey, i am running lenny... trying to get the kernel source package to rebuild some drivers w/ patches
12:03<thebeerhunter>can't find it in the pool
12:03<thebeerhunter>any hints?
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12:04<MoRLoCh>thebeerhunter: have you tried with aptitude search linux-source ?
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12:05<thebeerhunter>was using apt-cache... i was only getting 2.6.25 sources
12:06<thebeerhunter>.22 and .25 are the only sources
12:06<MoRLoCh>I see 22 from lenny/updates/main
12:07<thebeerhunter>24 is installed w/ lenny beta2
12:07<cahoot>replaced by .25 now?
12:07<MoRLoCh>but 25 is the kernel in lenny atm
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12:08<thebeerhunter>i have to upgrade...... i'll give that a try... the patches are for 24... see if it works
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12:09<MoRLoCh>thebeerhunter: otherwise try
12:09<erKURITA>or the Linux Kernel webpage
12:12<thebeerhunter>i need the config file though...
12:12<lst>this is making me nuts
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12:13<fxiny>lst: what ? is grub installed ?
12:16<fxiny>hold on , you running debian or sidux ?
12:16<erKURITA>he's running sidux to get his debian installation to work
12:16<lst>the HDD uses debian, but since i can't find any debian cd's i use the sidux one
12:17<erKURITA>which shouldn't matter
12:17<erKURITA>I use a Sabayon LiveCD to get things done
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12:17<fxiny>ok . using a sidux live to install grub ?
12:17<erKURITA>I did that too
12:17<fxiny>!fix mbr
12:17*dpkg takes mbr to the vet for a "special" visit.
12:18<erKURITA>!<fix mbr>
12:18<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
12:18<erKURITA>oh yeah, I had forgotten about the chroot
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12:19<nobie>hi guy . howto mount hdisk r/w for user ?
12:19<erKURITA>it's been long since I had done that
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12:20<dpkg>somebody said fstab was a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
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12:25<lst>unexpected powerdown
12:25<fxiny>this grub thing can never happen to me : i have a floppy drive and a rusty grub floppy
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12:25<lst>fxiny: floppies, how nostalgic
12:26<fxiny>i use a floppy one time every 3 years ? :P
12:26<fxiny>i mean , there should be a live automagically loading grub
12:27<fxiny>like a grub floppy
12:27<fxiny>then you play with grub cli and boom !
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12:29<fxiny>lst: i have trinux on a floppy set , good fun
12:29<lst>how much floppies does it need?
12:30<lst>"then mount your root filesystem"
12:30<lst>so not the boot but the root partition
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12:32<fxiny>then i have tomsrtbt . crk (2+2) ,parted . ptsde104 ,partimage (2) and more
12:32<dpkg>hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
12:33<lst>i'm gonna eat, i'll try again with a fill stomach
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12:43<mordy__>my monitor keeps turning on/off when a screensaver is supposed to go on (the screensaver works when i test it, hence i don't think this is some kind of incompatibility with the video mode etc.) and this is regardless of what screensaver i use- any suggestions/
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12:49<mordy__>hmm... never mind, i think i've got it fixed. X's screensaver daemon wasn't running (although i don't know why this is)
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12:57<dpkg>it has been said that proc is on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data.
12:59<munga_>hi all, anybody can suggest a channel where to ask a question about pivot_root/chroot/exec ?
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13:06<munga_>ooter: doesn't work :)
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13:08<lst>fxiny: thanks for the link
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13:09<fxiny>lst: are you ok now ?
13:10<lst>no, but i ate my tummy full
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13:10<fxiny>good idea :)
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13:11<lst>* Make a new dir to mount the boot partition,
13:11<lst>* Do a chroot to the root partition
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13:12<lst>so which one is it
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13:13<lst>* Do a chroot to the root partition: issuing chroot /disk | but the /disk would have the boot partition, not the root
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13:14<MoRLoCh>lst: mount the root, chroot into it, and if boot is another partition, mount it from there
13:14<MoRLoCh>remember to umount it before exiting the chroot
13:15<lst>to umount the boot right?
13:15<MoRLoCh>yes, and /proc
13:16<MoRLoCh>or they will prevent root from being umounted outside the chroot
13:16<munga_>ok, this is what I'm doing at the moment :
13:16<munga_> I'm working on an embedded device, a qnap 209 . I don't have a serial console so I'm truing to to brick my box.. I've installed a basic system and now I want to unlock a crypto partition via ssh and start the real system that is contained there...
13:16<munga_> I'm able to pivot_root into the new partition, but it seems I can't run init ... so I'm a bit stuck...
13:16<munga_> what I do is basically unlock the luks partition, mount it to a /target directory, unmount proc,
13:16<munga_> /sbin/pivot_root /root/target /root/target/initrd
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13:17<munga_>I'll try again
13:17<munga_> I'm working on an embedded device, a qnap 209 . I don't have a serial console so I'm truing to to brick my box.. I've installed a basic system and now I want to unlock a crypto partition via ssh and start the real system that is contained there...
13:17<munga_> I'm able to pivot_root into the new partition, but it seems I can't run init ... so I'm a bit stuck...
13:17<munga_> what I do is basically unlock the luks partition, mount it to a /target directory, unmount proc,
13:17<munga_> /sbin/pivot_root /root/target /root/target/initrd
13:17<munga_> and
13:17<munga_> exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /sbin/init 3
13:17<munga_> but then the system is frozen, and I'm stuck.
13:18<munga_> I don't understand if this is the right procedure... consider the base system is at runlevel 3 when I start the pivot_root script
13:18<munga_> so there are few process runnning...
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13:19<munga_>lst ... maybe I'm missing this bit of chdir in the boot directory, not the root directory ...
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13:20<lst>after i chroot and mount proc, i can't mount /dev/sda1
13:20<MoRLoCh>lst: did you mount --bind the /dev?
13:20<MoRLoCh>lst: I believe it's mentioned in the url above
13:20<MoRLoCh>otherwise mknod it
13:21<lst>ah no i didn't, nvm
13:21<MoRLoCh>you can still do it
13:21<MoRLoCh>in another windows
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13:23<munga_>the advice to mount --bind /dev is for me ?
13:24<MoRLoCh>munga_: no, sorry, to lst
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13:25<lst>grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. Check your p.
13:25<lst>i mount --bind /dev/sda /disk though
13:27<lst>i did mount --bind /dev /disk
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13:28<MoRLoCh>you need to mount to /disk/dev
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13:30<lst>hm i did it again now
13:30<lst>grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1.
13:31<Torsten_W>because there is no /dev/sda in /boot/grub/
13:31<lst>i'll have to edit it then
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13:37<dpkg>methinks ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See or for more information.
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13:49<lst>first i edit the, then i do what the bot said, right?
13:50<MoRLoCh>lst: I don't have a system here using grub, so I am not really sure, but I think you shouldn't edit
13:50<MoRLoCh>lst: maybe others can help you with this part
13:50<lst>but /dev/sda1 isn't in there, and apparently i need it
13:51<MoRLoCh>lst: that is more likely to be the problem
13:51<MoRLoCh>lst: what are you using as live-cd rescue cd or so ?
13:52<lst>sidux nyx pre2
13:52<lst>i couldn't find any pure debian cd's lying around
13:52<MoRLoCh>ok, maybe that uses static /dev
13:52<Torsten_W>no, it doesn't
13:52<MoRLoCh>and therefore mount --bind would do nothing to /dev
13:52<Torsten_W>sidux uses udev
13:53<MoRLoCh>then the mount --bind would make sda1 appear
13:53<Torsten_W>but the kernel use libata for ide-devices, so all hd are /dev/sdX
13:53<lst>Torsten_W: i replaced all hda's in sda's in the commands
13:54<Torsten_W>lst: i don't know, what u will do
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13:56<lst>i'm looking at the of the HDD's /boot/grub/ and it's /boot/boot/grub/ now
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13:57<lst>(fd0) /dev/fd0
13:57<lst>(hd0) /dev/sda
13:57<lst>and the other one has
13:57<lst>(hd0) /dev/hda
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14:01<fxiny>a debian rescue live cd ? grml
14:01<lst>it's based on debian yes
14:01<lst>but not intended as rescue cd i think
14:01<fxiny>but not like sidux
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14:02<fxiny>check it out
14:02<lst>i only have one reader/writer
14:02<lst>which is occupied now
14:02<fxiny>i myself use sysrescuecd but i'm told grml is good
14:02<qq>"grubb" is recover grub from live-cd: sudo mount /media/sdxx ; then: sudo /usr/sbin/grub-install --recheck --no-floppy --root-directory=/media/sdxx /dev/sda
14:03<qq>cmd from sidux
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14:03<lst>qq: will it work with the debian install on my HDD?
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14:04<qq>lst: just give a try
14:04<Torsten_W>sidux don't use grub, it uses grub-gfxboot
14:04<mordy__>hey, i'm trying to build uvcvideo from source, i've installed all the requires libs (that i know of) and am getting this error - any suggestions?
14:05<lst>" sudo mount /media/sdxx"
14:05<lst>shouldnt that be /dev/sdxx N
14:06<qq>sda2 , sdb1 , and so on
14:06<lst>qq: /media is empty
14:06<lst>the devices are in /dev
14:06<qq>mount there your partition de boot pour debian
14:08<fxiny>lst: is debian your only os ?
14:09<fxiny>there is supergrub , never used : floppy cd and usbstick
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14:11<pelmon>i'm looking for a reliable file recovery application for debian. filesystem is ext3.
14:11<Torsten_W>pelmon: testdisk
14:11<Torsten_W>pelmon: it has included photorec
14:12<lst>seems to have completed without errors
14:12<lst>i'll reboot now
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14:12<fxiny>recovering on ext3 is hard
14:12<lst>thanks for the help
14:12<ooter>if not downright impossible
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14:12<ooter>I accidently placed a space in front of an * once :(
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14:18<fxiny>to recover from ftat or extr lde is much then enough
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14:19<fxiny>but ext3 . hmmm
14:19<pelmon>that's disappointing
14:19<ooter>from what I've read, the best thing to do is to stop using the partition right away
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14:19<pelmon>ntfs is easy
14:20<fxiny>and sleuth++ kit wnatever is far better
14:20<ooter>yeah ext2/3 wipes out the inodes or something
14:20<fxiny>ext2 is easy
14:20<fxiny>very easy
14:20<ooter>is it just ext3?
14:20<pelmon>ooter: yeah. that's true.
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14:20<pelmon>yeah. ext3.
14:20<lst>so, grub seems to work now
14:21<lst>but what commands do i issue? kernel (file) then load ?
14:21<fxiny>and thee is a specific tool . some usa navy bloke wrote it , can't rememner but i'0m sure is debianized
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14:22<pelmon>ok. doesn't matter that much.
14:22<fxiny>oh yes . sleuth is amazing ++
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14:22<fxiny>but there is a small recovering app
14:23<shilow>i have a hard disk thats acting funny does linux have any hard disk diagnosing utilitys
14:23<pelmon>i see sleuth is a forensic suite. does it offer recovery at all? single files, not partitions
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14:25<lst>so once i am in grub
14:25<lst>i do "kernel (file)" "load" right?
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14:26<avu>if your root drive is already configured and you have no initrd, yes
14:26<pelmon>fxiny: let me know if you remember the name of that app
14:26<lst>i have initrd i believe
14:26<avu>lst, then you will also need 'initrd file'
14:27<fxiny>pelmon: recovering partitions is possible with gpart , logical are tricky . read docs
14:27<avu>lst, also, don't forget to at least pass a root=/dev/fo option to the kernel
14:27<lst>so i will
14:27<pelmon>the partition is fine. it's just one folder in my home directory
14:27<shilow>does anyone know of any hard drive diagnostic tools?
14:28<shilow>for linux
14:28<fxiny>a dir ? even harder
14:28<shilow>will fsck do it all ?
14:29<lst>kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/fo
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14:29<lst>then initrd /initrd.img
14:29<avu>lst, well, instead of 'fo', you need to give it the actual device of course :)
14:29<fxiny>today is reboot day :)
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14:30<lst>i suppose that's /dev/hda2 (root) then
14:30<lst>kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2
14:30<lst>then initrd /initrd.img
14:30<lst>then load
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14:38<gn00b>when installing from source. how do i tell debian to install dependencies? ie: ./unrar
14:38<gn00b>./unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./unrar)
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14:40<lst>okay, that worked
14:40<MoRLoCh>lst: cool
14:41<lst>now i'll just have to find out how to restore the previous settings
14:41<lst>i wonder what caused this though
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14:46<alephnull>gn00b: apt-get build-dep
14:46<alephnull>gn00b: (If I have understood you correctly)
14:46<lst>how do i get the list with kernels like in the beginning?
14:46<lst>instead of manually using grub
14:47<gn00b>alephnull, thanx. that was it
14:47<MoRLoCh>lst: try update-grub (I am no grub expert tho)
14:48<lst>ill check
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14:52<lst>that didnt work
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14:54<newsense>anyone know what kde module is in charge of automounting removeable media?
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14:54<mordy__>hey, i'm trying to build uvcvideo from source, i've installed all the requires libs (that i know of) and am getting this error - any suggestions?
14:54<mordy__>newsense - let me try this
14:55<mordy__>er.r.. i mean, let me look for it
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14:55<lst>the manually entering grub commands is annoying... also the console resolution seems to be reset
14:55<newsense>mordy i used to know but i forget im googling it too but have found nothing yet
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14:56<mordy__>hehe, i'm trying to stick in a disk and see what process cmes up, but i can't find anything on my desk now gah
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14:56<pelmon>i'm looking for a reference to the word "system" in the folder "/docs" including all subfolders. is there a utility that i can use to simplify this or do i have to search through each one manually? some of the files in "/docs" are pdfs with searchable text.
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14:57<fxiny>folders ?
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14:58<pelmon>the search utility of kde has a tab for "Contents" or contains text or something.
14:58<pelmon>i overlooked it at first
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15:18<gn00b>when file are downloaded to be installed using apt, where are they stored?
15:19<peterS>gn00b: /var/cache/apt/archives
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15:19<peterS>gn00b: except the indexes which are in /var/lib/apt/lists
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15:47<kingsley>Does either "dpkg --extract" or "dpkg --unpack" leave files in the current working directory?
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15:53<wnd>kingsley, "dpkg -x foo.deb todir" will extract installed files to "todir"
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15:55<lst>the manually entering grub commands is annoying... also the console resolution seems to be reset
15:55<lst>how do i get the bootlist back?
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16:00<erKURITA>no ;<
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16:00<erKURITA>I lol'd
16:02<lst>maybe i would've
16:02<fxiny>contact support ohhh yeahhhh , just ring the bell :P
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16:02<lst>if i weren't so depressed because of grub atm ;)
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16:03<fxiny>oh you still grubbing ?
16:03<lst>well i can use grub now
16:03<fxiny>groobie groobie :P
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16:03<lst>but i have to enter the bootcommands
16:03<lst>the kernel list is gone, and the console resolution is reset
16:03<lst>but at least i can boot now
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16:04<fxiny>ues ? so install it from your debian partition , now
16:05<lst>i don't know what exactly i'd install though
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16:08<fxiny>lst: man update-grub :)
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16:09<erKURITA>that's useful if you have GRUB installed in the MBR
16:09<fxiny>to install it : grub-install /dev/hdXX
16:10<_hc>I have a quick question related to packaging, in my own unofficial .deb, called 'pd-extended', should I add 'pd-extended' to the "Replaces:" field? Some users were reporting troubles upgrading. GDebi wouldn't do it because it said there was a conflict
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16:15<maxb_>It seems pretty weird for a .deb to doclare that it replaces itself
16:16<maxb_>That sounds vaguely insane :-)
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16:16<erKURITA>maxb_ it sounds perfectly fine
16:16<erKURITA>as an update package
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16:17<grummund>i have this line in my routing table, but don't know how it got there. anyone have an idea pls?
16:17<grummund> U 1000 0 0 eth1
16:17<kingsley>wnd: I read "man dpkg" and found the technique you described. But, I'm surprised to report that it didn't work! I tried "dpkg -x <package.deb> .". No files were left in ".".
16:18<grummund>also not sure how eth1 would have been brought up, since it's not listed in /etc/network/interfaces
16:19<maxb_>erKURITA: Huh? I don't understand why you'd think that would make sense.
16:19<erKURITA>read the next line
16:19<maxb_>What do you mean by "as an update package"?
16:20<maxb_>In what way is any package not an update package, when being used for upgrading an existing system
16:20<erKURITA>when it's installed for the first time
16:20<grummund>hmm, even '/etc/init.d/networking stop' does not bring down eth1
16:20<erKURITA>grummund and ifdown eth1 ?
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16:21<maxb_>erKURITA: Well, if you can explain better what you're talking about, great. Otherwise, I shall continue to believe that "Replaces: <self>" is nonsense.
16:21<erKURITA>oh wait
16:22<erKURITA>if a packages replaces itself, then it's non-sense
16:22<erKURITA>as in, exactly the same package
16:22<maxb_>_hc: I think you'd need to explain precisely what the conflict message was if anyone is to be able to help you.
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16:23<grummund>erKURITA: ifdown: interface eth1 not configured
16:23<erKURITA>ifconfig eth1 some_ip
16:23<erKURITA>then down it?
16:23<maxb_>grummund: 169.254.x.x are autoconfiguration addresses sometimes used when an interface has no configuration and a DHCP server cannot be found.
16:24<_hc>maxb_: yeah, more detail would be helpful, but it didn't happen to me, but other users...
16:24<erKURITA>and /etc/network/interfaces has no auto lines for eth1, I suppose
16:24<grummund>maxb_: do you know what governs that?, eth1 is not listed in /etc/network/interfaces
16:24<maxb_>grummund: I have the same entry in my routing, I suspect is is simply a default.
16:25<erKURITA>I don't, however
16:25<erKURITA>I have
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16:25<erKURITA>but pointing to ppp0
16:25<maxb_>Although I should perhaps admit I'm on an ubuntu box at the moment
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16:26<fxiny>you've been under the curse of the gibbon then :P
16:26<guilherme>i have instaled a library igraph and if i try to compile something with igraph i need to use g++ teste.cpp -I/usr/include/igraph -L/usr/lib -ligraph -o teste i read at doc that i need to use pkg-config to fix it, how can i do that??
16:28<benoit>could someone tell me if it's possible to install nvdidia drivers with the current kernel in Lenny ?
16:28<fxiny>erKURITA: ? so exotic :P
16:28<erKURITA>define current kernel
16:28<erKURITA>fxiny yup
16:28<benoit>because it's very laggy with the free driver
16:29<erKURITA>benoit I'm too lazy to re-compile the drivers, but as of 2.6.24, I have nVidia drivers running
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16:29<benoit>yeah, me too, it works with 2.6.24 but lenny has updated it to .
16:29<fxiny>2.6.24 n'half broke my xmms2
16:29<benoit>maybe i should stay on 2.6.24
16:29<fxiny>but only in one box
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16:32<timmy_boy>What language is aptitude written in? I'm thinking of installing debian.
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16:33<erKURITA>that's the first time I've heard of someone wanting to install Debian depending on the language a core program was written in
16:33<benoit>that's funny
16:34<benoit>why do you want to know that timmy_boy ?
16:34<fxiny>only Larry Wall has such linguistic taste :P
16:34<benoit>what's this website Txt_file ?
16:35<erKURITA>CentOS, that's nice
16:35<fxiny>and someone else i've seen around (here) lately :P
16:35<lst>how do i get the kernel list at boot time instead of having to issue the grub commands myself?
16:35<lst>grub-update didnt work
16:35<erKURITA>do you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
16:36<benoit>by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
16:36<_hc> ==
16:36<_hc>looks like a nice box
16:36<_hc>does it run Debian?
16:36<lst>it's there
16:37<erKURITA>it's not, _hc
16:37<lst>it doesnt show up
16:37<lst>at boot time
16:37<erKURITA>or yes...
16:37<Txt_file>lst: if you install debian ... then yeah
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16:37<fxiny>lst: why /sbin/grub-update didn't work ?
16:37<fxiny>what's the error ?
16:37<lst>well it worked
16:38<lst>i mean it didnt set to use a list like i thought you said
16:38<fxiny>so check for menu.lst . nothing in /boot/grub ?
16:38<lst>there is a menu.lst
16:38<lst>it's configured
16:38<sasuke781>can anyone else download debian iso's?
16:38<sasuke781>it says 404 not found....
16:39<sasuke781>yeaaa....for every arch
16:39<fxiny>lst: can you paste it in a bin ?
16:39<_hc>engadget says that the CherryPal is running Debian:
16:39<lst>sure wait
16:39<fxiny>maybe you edited and there is a typo
16:40<erKURITA> <= oh snap
16:40<erKURITA>we're doomed
16:40<erKURITA>Don't know?
16:40<fxiny>doomed ? i'm frigging updating my box since yesterday !
16:40<sasuke781>wtf....a new version?
16:40<erKURITA>fxiny or annoyed, it's your call
16:40<erKURITA>sasuke781 nah, until September, there's no new version
16:41<guilherme>i have instaled a library igraph and if i try to compile something with igraph i need to use g++ teste.cpp -I/usr/include/igraph -L/usr/lib -ligraph -o teste i read at doc that i need to use pkg-config to fix it, how can i do that??
16:41<fxiny>erKURITA: ok, doomed is much better then annoyed ;)
16:42<sasuke781>thenn.....why when i go to the 404 not found page when trying to download the netinstall it says in the url "4.0_r3" and the link you put out has r4
16:42<erKURITA>I always lol @ that word
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16:42<erKURITA> <= It's empty
16:43<erKURITA>I use testing
16:44<fxiny>ahhhh all the news puppets are busy , good :P
16:44<sasuke781>how can i redownload the netinstall....mine is corrupted
16:45<sasuke781>all i get is this The requested URL /debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso was not found on this server.
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16:45<grummund>maxb_: i found the answer in man avahi-autoipd, and 'apt-get remove --purge' was part of the solution ;)
16:46<maxb_>ah, that does make sense
16:47<grummund>i wish debian wouldn't do stuff like that
16:47<grummund>(without asking)
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16:49<fxiny>lst: no /boot dir ? where exactly is your kernel ?
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16:50<lst>fxiny, in /
16:50<lst>i think
16:50<erKURITA>ls /boot
16:50<lst>but i have a /boot dir
16:50<lst>it's got it's own partition
16:50<fxiny>erKURITA: look at 22:42 < lst>
16:51<erKURITA>what files does /boot contain?
16:51<erKURITA>fxiny yeah I did
16:51<pelmon>what does it mean when i go to run an application, the "bouncy" icon appears next to the mouse letting me know that the application is being loaded, then the app never loads/fails?
16:52<fxiny>erKURITA: yes ? i read : kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-486 , am i drunk ?
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16:52<erKURITA>no you're not
16:52<erKURITA>and unless he moved the whole /boot folder to /
16:52<erKURITA>the file is wrong
16:53<fxiny>lst: edit like /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-486 .same for initrd
16:53<guilherme>i have instaled a library igraph and if i try to compile something with igraph i need to use "g++ teste.cpp -I/usr/include/igraph -L/usr/lib -ligraph -o teste" i read at doc that i need to use pkg-config to fix it, use just "g++ teste.cpp -o teste" how can i do that??
16:53<fxiny>lst: just add a new "stanza"
16:53<fxiny>cp and edit
16:54<lst>^ that's /boot
16:54<erKURITA>then your problem is the menu.lst
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16:54<erKURITA>it's got incorrect entries
16:55<erKURITA> these are mines
16:55<lst>what do i need t add then?
16:56<fxiny>lst: tell grub your kernel and initrd are in /boot : like /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-486
16:57<fxiny>lst: same as when you manually boot
16:58<lst>when i manually boot, i use kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-486
16:58<lst>there is a symlink in /
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16:59<fxiny>lst: one symlink not two : you have two kernels
17:01<lst>fxiny, the other kernel is also symlinked
17:01<lst>vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old
17:02<fxiny>lst: add a stanza , extend the building :P
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17:04<lst>ok brb, reboot
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17:09<lst>still had to issue them by hand
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17:09<lst>also, when i kernel (file)
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17:09<lst>i enter /vmlinux----
17:09<lst> /boot/vmlinuz isnt recognized
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17:10<lst>o i meant /vmlinuz not /vmlinux
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17:16<guilherme>i have instaled a library igraph and if i try to compile something with igraph i need to use "g++ teste.cpp -I/usr/include/igraph -L/usr/lib -ligraph -o teste" i read at doc that i need to use pkg-config to fix it, use just "g++ teste.cpp -o teste" how can i do that??
17:21<lst>i think i need to install something in order to get that list appearing at boot time
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17:22<lst>you know, to select kernels rather then doing it manually
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17:27<lst>GRUB looks for its configuration file as soon as it is loaded. If one is found, then the full menu interface is activated using whatever entries were found in the file. If you choose the command-line menu option, or if the configuration file was not found, then GRUB drops to the command-line interface.
17:27<lst>so i miss the config entry
17:29<lst>could anyone with a grub menu interface query me the contents?
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17:31<pelmon>hey. it seems like i'm not running the latest available kernel. would it be a good idea to upgrade?
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17:51<loony>when I try to play a mp3 audacious just quit's
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17:53<Nemoder>loony: run it in an xterm and see if there is an error
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17:56<lst>so i miss the config entry
17:56<lst>could anyone with a grub menu interface query me the contents?
17:57<loony>Nemoder: Segment fault
17:57<Nemoder>loony: try running: gdb audacious
17:58<Nemoder>loony: then type run
17:58<Nemoder>loony: then when it crashes type bt
18:00<loony>Nemoder: bash: gdb: command not found
18:00<Nemoder>loony: ah you would have to install it: apt-get install gdb
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18:01<pelmon>i'm compiling my kernel from sources and i'm getting an error during the operation.
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18:05<stevecotton>loony - Audacious has had bugfixes recently. What version of audacious and audacious-plugins do you have?
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18:05<stevecotton>The latest with fixes is 1.5.1-2
18:05<loony>stevecotton: hmm just installed
18:06<stevecotton>lenny or sid?
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18:07<Nemoder>you might have to pull the plugins package from sid
18:07<Nemoder>or wait for it to cycle to lenny
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18:08<loony>how do I do that?
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18:08<loony>download the deb manualy?
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18:09<Nemoder>ya it's crashing in the plugin
18:09<Nemoder>you can try just getting the deb from sid
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18:17<loony>nemoder: thats the only one that I find..
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18:21<loony>there we go :D
18:21<loony>that worked
18:21<Nemoder>cool :)
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18:32<norton->I get this when trying to do a safe-upgrade with aptitude: Retrying doesn't help, and there is nothing wrong with my network. What to do?
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18:33<erKURITA>use apt-get upgrade then
18:33<themill>norton-: what's the output of the command: date
18:33<erKURITA>or, check that your clock is correct
18:33<erKURITA>otherwise install an NTP server
18:34<norton->Mon Jul 28 00:34:07 CEST 2008
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18:34<norton->I have NTP
18:34<themill>and that date is fine....
18:35<themill>norton-: btw please don't ask both here and on freenode at the same time... it just annoys the people who would otherwise be helping you...
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18:35<erKURITA>the freenode channel is still alive?
18:35<norton->themill: ok. I'm sorry, won't do that again
18:35<themill>(and you'll get the same suggestions from both channels ... it just wastes everyone's time)
18:35<themill>no worries
18:36<themill>erKURITA: very much so... it's about 2.5 times the size of this channel.
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18:37<erKURITA>and is it 2.5 times flammy?
18:37<themill>no... 2.5 times as noisy and 2.5 times more bots waiting to spam etc...
18:37<erKURITA>sort of the same stuff, then
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18:39<sasuke781>does anyone know what happened to the small cd's?
18:39<norton->erKURITA: I get the same error with apt-get
18:39<erKURITA>say what?
18:39<erKURITA>are you using Ubuntu?
18:39<norton->no no
18:39<norton->Debian lenny
18:40<erKURITA>I don't get any bug reporting line when I use apt-get upgrade
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18:40<erKURITA>do you have bugzilla or something installed?
18:40<themill>err... apt-listbugs
18:41<erKURITA>way to be a little picky with buggy programs huh
18:41<erKURITA>What's your mirror, norton- ?
18:42<erKURITA>try german's
18:42<norton->Well, I don't really need apt-listbugs..
18:42<norton->Ok, i'll try
18:42<erKURITA>remove it then :X
18:42<norton->yeah :)
18:42<erKURITA>if you don't need it, why have it
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18:44<norton->Guess I thought it would be nice to see known bugs, I always just ignore them :P
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18:47<norton->tried with german server first, but didn't work. I'm going to remove it apt-listbugs now
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18:50<norton->it works now, thanks for the help!
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18:52<erKURITA>you're welcome
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18:59<pelmon>i'm getting an error that the version of gcc installed on my system does not match the version that the kernel was compiled with. can i just downgrade gcc versions to solve this problem?
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19:00<loony>hmm.. Im gonna mount a digital camera, but where in /dev is it?
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19:01<erKURITA>pelmon you could try changing the symlink of gcc
19:01<erKURITA>to a lower version
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19:07<themill>erKURITA: ewww!
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19:07<themill>!wayttd pelmon
19:07<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, pelmon?
19:08<erKURITA>themill read up
19:09<themill>but why... the answer varies according to why...
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19:13<pelmon>um, i went to run an application. it said i had to configure it first. i ran the configuration script and got an error that the version of gcc installed did not match the version that the kernel was compiled with....
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19:14<pelmon>and now i'm trying to figure out what i should do next
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19:14<erKURITA>ouch that hurted
19:15<themill>pelmon: what's the application? nvidia? vmware? something else?
19:16<erKURITA>oh yeah, the vmware module
19:16<erKURITA>I hated it
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19:17<themill>!vmware compiler fix
19:17<dpkg>To solve the vmware compiler problem ("Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.2.3 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3") in an ugly but effective way: mkdir -p ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; ./; rm ~/bin/gcc
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19:17<z>iceweasel doesn't seem to want to start on sid.
19:18<themill>pelmon: normally, you can just say CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ./configure (etc) but I don't think vmware lets you do that.
19:18<erKURITA>themill that's kind of the same thing I did, except that with less steps
19:19<erKURITA>or you can create a small shell script to do the variable stuff prior to executing the command
19:19<themill>erKURITA: except that doesn't frig with things in /usr/bin.... which is generally a bad thing to do.
19:19<erKURITA>as long as you change it back the way it was, there's no harm
19:20<themill>erKURITA: the gcc maintainers and several of the old and crusties around here would be howling in pain at the thought of you touching /usr/bin/gcc ...
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19:20<themill>(partly because you'll forget to change it back)
19:20<erKURITA>I've done it quite some times >:3
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19:24<pelmon>oh, and the file was and that command has to be run from /usr/bin
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19:24<pelmon>and i still got an error
19:24<erKURITA>I totally lol'd
19:24<themill>pelmon: what a load of old cobblers vmware is.
19:24<erKURITA>it shouldn't
19:24<erKURITA>I never had to move and stuff there
19:25<themill>pelmon: you might like to look at the pacakge vmware-package
19:25<erKURITA>don't even try it
19:25<erKURITA>it didn't work for me
19:25<themill>worked very nicely for me
19:25<pelmon>i never had any problems with it until i upgraded to lenny
19:27<themill>pelmon: that's not a lenny kernel that you're running
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19:28<pelmon>yeah. i noticed that in GRUB there were two kernel options
19:28<themill>2.6.18-6-686 is an etch kernel. 2.6.25 is the current lenny kernel
19:28<erKURITA>it's an etch kernel
19:28<pelmon>the new one that appeared after the upgrade would not allow me to start X
19:28<erKURITA>nvidia drivers?
19:28<qq>pelmon: uname -r
19:29<pelmon>yeah. i had loads of fun with nvidia drivers yesterday
19:29<erKURITA>er, qq
19:29<pelmon>none of it worked
19:29<erKURITA>look at the paste
19:29<pelmon>i should probably reboot into the other kernel and get help from there with the nvidia problem again
19:29<erKURITA>what nvidia problem?
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19:30<pelmon>couldn't get the drivers installed.
19:30<pelmon>x would not start
19:30<pelmon>upgrading completely borked my X
19:30<erKURITA>I haven't tried 2.6.25
19:30<erKURITA>I'm still in 24
19:31<erKURITA>Even though I have it installed
19:31<erKURITA>I'm too lazy to recompile the module
19:31<brue>nice topic
19:31<brue>(ubuntu part)
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19:33<pelmon>something wierd just happened. i went to ping and i got a ping reply from my own IP address. same goes for every other url i tried
19:34<qq>what a lammer
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19:34<erKURITA>I've got 100% packet loss
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19:34<erKURITA>I believe they're RST'ing the ICMP packets
19:35<erKURITA>or UDP, for that matters
19:35<pelmon>no. it doesn't matter what ip i use. i used too and got the same reply from my own ip
19:35<pelmon> was just an example
19:35<qq>nice , it's down
19:36<pelmon>seriously, though. why would i be getting a ping reply from my own host
19:36<erKURITA>A) your computer is blocking it B) your router is blocking it C) dunno?
19:37<erKURITA>nslookup fails with
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19:37<erKURITA>as in, it fails with the IP addresses
19:38<bakkalohriat>Flush the DNS cache?
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19:38<erKURITA>I can browse their website (eww) just fine
19:40<qq> nslookup here ok
19:41<bakkalohriat>etc/init.d/nscd restart?
19:41<erKURITA>if it exists, sure
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19:45<erKURITA>question: git or svn ?
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19:49<snogglethorpe>erKURITA: people still use svn?
19:49<erKURITA>I use for small, personal projects
19:49<erKURITA>and eAthena still uses it
19:49<erKURITA>(that RO emulator)
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20:01<Web>Hi All, I need some volunteers to build your homeserver as discribed on, i opened a new channel #debian-server for troubleshoeting thanks for attention and good luck.
20:02<snogglethorpe>erKURITA: git seems simpler all-around, really...
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20:07<bakkalohriat>Any ETA on when 4.0r4 will be available for download?
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20:25<miki>hi all, is there a way i can use ccontrol / ccache when building debian packages?
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20:26<thebeerhunter>hi,.,,, I am wondering... lenny beta 2 isos have kernel version .24 .... but .25 is now in the pool.... and the webpage says the images are generates weekly
20:26<thebeerhunter>so tomorrow?
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20:28<miki>i can compile my own sources just fine, ccache is used, but when i build a debian package nothing hits the cache
20:30<thebeerhunter>miki: i don't think it should.... dpkg -i the package after you build it
20:30<thebeerhunter>i may be wrong
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20:33<miki>thebeerhunter: i have ccache working, i just would like it to be used when i build debian packages
20:33<miki>thebeerhunter: especially building several times in a row
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20:37<enanobot>buenas noches
20:37<erKURITA>good evening
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20:37<enanobot>sabra alguien donde puedo encontrar ayuda de como poner a funcionar mi vapturadora de video advantek en debian ?
20:37<enanobot>hi erKURITA
20:38<enanobot>podrias ayudarme ?
20:39<erKURITA>nunca he estado en esa situacion, asi que no sabria ayudarte :X
20:39<enanobot>aah ok
20:39<enanobot>y no sabras de alguien o algun canal en el q me puedan ayudar ¿
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20:40<chealer>!tell enanobot about es
20:41<enanobot>i want configure my video capture on debian
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20:41<enanobot>Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture
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20:43<qq> video capture !=Audio Capture
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20:44<enanobot>Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture
20:44<enanobot>is a advantek video card
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20:46<qq>has the driver for linux ?
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20:47<enanobot>i think no
20:48<enanobot>in windows i use meditv for watch tv
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20:49<enanobot>but here i can
20:49<enanobot>but here I have not been put into operation
20:49<enanobot>i try with xawtv
20:50<enanobot>and tvtime
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20:54<enanobot>n nothing work
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20:56<qq>normal , bye one with driver for linux
20:56<qq>, buy
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20:57<thebeerhunter>is this the channel i goto to ask about weekly builds (lenny)?
20:58<don_armstrong>you can ask questions here, yes.
20:59<erKURITA>thebeerhunter they're kind of, gone, for the moment
20:59<thebeerhunter>erKURITA, y is that?
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21:00<thebeerhunter>i am seeing a lot of changes... i kind of need them reflected in a weekly build
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21:01<chealer>thebeerhunter: yes, anything about Debian support.
21:01<thebeerhunter>or would like to see them in it
21:01<chealer>erKURITA: since when?
21:01<erKURITA>chealer 8 pm GMT+2
21:01<erKURITA>you know 4.0_r4 is out today, right?
21:01<chealer>erKURITA: why?
21:02<don_armstrong>thebeerhunter: what exactly are you asking about? What changes?
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21:03<thebeerhunter>sorry... gen kill is on hbo... i may be slow to respond
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21:04<dondelelcaro>thebeerhunter: the kernel in lenny is 2.6.25+14; it's in lenny itself. Whether it's in a particular cd set depends on which cd set you're dealing with
21:04<thebeerhunter>i rebuild my laptop daily from the "weekly" image
21:05<dondelelcaro>thebeerhunter: why?
21:05<thebeerhunter>i play hard... i like to test...
21:06<thebeerhunter>anyway... the latest kernel is not reflected in the weekly build...
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21:07<dondelelcaro>thebeerhunter: yes, because it's a weekly build. There *are* daily builds available of d-i, however.
21:08<mordy_>i'm looking for different choices of window managers, so far i've tried gnome, kde and fluxbox - anything else i should try?
21:09<dondelelcaro>mordy_: there are a few hundred of them
21:09<mordy_>yes, that's why i'm asking which ones are the most used. i'm not going to try all of them
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21:10<dondelelcaro>mordy_: I personally use awesome now, but I've used ion, wmii, and openbox.
21:10<dondelelcaro>mordy_: however, almost any window manager that we distribute has someone who uses it because they prefer it
21:10<dondelelcaro>mordy_: your best shot is to try a few of the major classes of WM (tiling, "normal", etc.) and decide which you prefer, and then go through the subsets of that class
21:11<mordy_>dondelelcarlo - i don't even know what those mean :(
21:11<mordy_>i guess fluxbox is "tiling"?
21:11<dondelelcaro>mordy_: then you want to check out screenshots of them or similar.
21:11<dondelelcaro>no, fluxbox isn't.
21:12<dondelelcaro>awesome, ion, and wmii are, however.
21:13<mordy_>hmm.. let me try wmii - i guess i'm looking for something similar to win9x (yes yes, evil)
21:13<mordy_>although KDE makes the former look rather slim
21:13<erKURITA><thebeerhunter> i play hard... i like to test... <= go to sid then
21:14<erKURITA>mordy_ try xfce
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21:15<mordy_>erkurita - it's not in debian, is it?
21:15<qq>sure it is
21:15<dondelelcaro>uh... window's explorer is the worst window manager you can find
21:16<mordy_>i'm just used to it, having used it for the past 13 years :(
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21:16<dondelelcaro>at some point you'll come to realize that
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21:17<erKURITA>mordy_ yes it is in Debian
21:17<mordy_>apt-get install xfce?
21:18<qq> apt-get install icewm*
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21:19<mordy_>hehe, i got icewm easily - i'm just installing all these things, i'll see which ones i like
21:19<mordy_>popcon - popularity contest?
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21:21<mordy_>meh, gnome and kde :|
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21:23<mordy_>hmm... icewm is nice
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21:23<erKURITA><3 Gnome
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21:26<mordy_>i gather awesome is 'tiling'
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21:37<erKURITA>Why did Vista pop into my mind as soon as I saw that picture?
21:37<erKURITA>It must be the clock
21:37<mordy_>nah, it's the whole blue/black themed
21:37<mordy_>i think i'm sticking with xfce4
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21:38<chealer>qq: what?
21:38<qq>all of this is in vbox
21:38<insigne>OLA..GOOD MORNING
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21:39<qq>on sid ..
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21:40<Ludmilla>Good morning boys
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22:10<Steven_M>hi all
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22:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:16<stevecotton>ah, that's 30 mins too late
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22:17<Lounge>hello - getta question about /dev/shm secured
22:18<Lounge>i've secured it in the fstab but /var cannot add it's, var.lock, var.whatever. Is this cause for concern?
22:19<Lounge>well it seems that so far the system is running eh'ok
22:21<Steven_M>Lounge: sorry I don't know
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22:22<Lounge>well i wanted to secure /dev/shm as i've read that possibly harmfull rootkits can get in there
22:23<Lounge>same with /tmp
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22:25<qq>cat /dev/shm/network/ifstate
22:25<Lounge>the only thing that's in my /dev/shm is pulse-shm-[long number]
22:25<qq>not here
22:26<Lounge>not there
22:26<qq>sid here
22:28<Steven_M>is there any way to get aptitude to find all the unused configuration files (the packages with c next to them) and purge them without having to find them manually?
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22:29<Lounge>Steven_M: like "apt-get purge *c ??
22:29<Lounge>without the question marks
22:29<Lounge>you mena a c infront or after the packages?
22:30<qq>!unused configuration files !
22:30<gsimmons>Steven_M: aptitude purge ~c
22:30<qq>not unused packages
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22:31<Lounge>what about "apt-get autoremove"?
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22:32<Lounge>oh no wait - thats for dependancies
22:33<Steven_M>gsimmons: ~c or -c?
22:34<gsimmons>Steven_M: aptitude purge ~c
22:35<Lounge>actually speaking of aptitude - how can i change it so packages from repos can get downloaded into another partiton/dir instead of /var/tmp?
22:36<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
22:37<gn00b>can someone suggest a gui bittorrent client other than 'gnome bittorrent' to use?
22:37<Lounge>hmm what about support for older hardware i wonder?
22:37<Lounge>haha just kidding
22:38<Lounge>gn00b: i use deluge - i like it
22:38<Nemoder>gn00b: deluge, bittornado and asureus all work pretty well
22:38<Lounge>there's also transmission or buttornado
22:39<gn00b>Lounge, i've been trying to install deluge for 2 days now with no success. can you help me. only been with linux that long too
22:39<Lounge>gn00b: there should be a .deb file on the deluges website
22:40<Lounge>works on both debian and ubuntu machines here
22:41<qq>Lounge: i'm just updating a macintosh '94 from etch to sid right now
22:41<gn00b>Lounge, i have deluge-torrent_0.9.03-1_i386.lenny.deb and deluge-torrent_0.5.9.3-1_i386.deb but can't install because of dependencies
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22:42<Lounge>gn00b: if you don't have already - you should dl GDebi Package install for deb files
22:43<gn00b>Lounge, i don't
22:43<qq>gn00b: apt-get install deluge-torrent*
22:43<Nemoder>gn00b: if you are running etch you'll have to use the backport:
22:43<Lounge>gn00b: and also apt-get install gdebi
22:44<Lounge>so whenever you download a deb file from a site from like firefox, gdebi will open it
22:45<gn00b>how can i tell if gdebi is already installed? apt-get install gdebi didn't install anything
22:45<Lounge>gn00b: but you gotta make sure that the .deb file is for debian and not for ubuntu!
22:45<Lounge>unless its a universal deb or something
22:46<BrunoXLambert>Downloading an EtchNHalf installer looks quit hard. no mirror seems to have it
22:46<qq>gn00b: apt-cache policy gdebi
22:47<Lounge>gn00b: if you have gdebi installed, whenever you dl a deb from a wevsite, you'll have the choice to either save it to a file or open it with GDebi
22:47<Lounge>lol wevsite there ya go :)
22:48<gn00b>i have 0.1.6 installed
22:49<Nemoder>hm no gdebi in lenny, wonder if it will make it in for the release
22:49<Lounge>and also umm, you should probably download the latest deluge from the site its self instead of the on from the debian repo(s)
22:50<Lounge>but then again lol their new gui looks kinda ghey
22:52<gn00b>W: Couldn't stat source package list etch-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
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22:52<Lounge>someone needs to give gn00b the gpg for it
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22:53<Lounge>pgp rather
22:53<Steven_M>Lounge: gsimmons: just so you know I'm not talking about about packages with c in the name's of them. I mean c as in the category with can be c, p or i. You both know that right?
22:53<gn00b>this is my /etc/apt/source.list
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22:57<mzhang>My xpdf automatically loads table of contents in the right panel, how to disable that?
22:57<gsimmons>Steven_M: ~c is a search pattern. It matches packages that have been removed but not purged. Refer to the aptitude reference guide.
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23:00<Steven_M>gsimmons: ok thanks heaps :)
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23:01<Lounge>ok so i'm guessing that it's OK if /var can write to /dev/shm then?
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23:03<Lounge>the luks partitions seem to mount/dismount ok now
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23:13<kop>I'm running etch and can't "aptitude unhold" the packages I've "aptitude hold"ed. There's some workaround I've forgotten involving a plus sign, and maybe dkpg --set-selections or something. Anybody recall waht it is?
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23:14<dondelelcaro>kop: all aptitude unhold does is remove the hold; it won't do anything else.
23:15<dondelelcaro>kop: you'd have to do an upgrade or similar to cause a package to actually be upgraded
23:15<kop>dondelelcaro : Unhold does not unhold. It tells me the package has been kept back and nothing changes.
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23:15<dondelelcaro>kop: what does aptitude show foopkg; say?
23:16<dondelelcaro>(specifically, the state field)
23:17<kop>dondelelcaro : State: installed
23:17<kop>dondelelcaro : But, aptitude search ~ilinux-image says: ih linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII
23:18<kop>dondelelcaro : (I've been through this all before, it's some stupid aptitude bug.)
23:18<kop>dondelelcaro : (And I suspect I rebooted without logging out so I don't have the command history. :(
23:19<dondelelcaro>kop: then echo 'linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 install' |dpkg --set-selections ; or similar.
23:19<dondelelcaro>kop: or hit + on the package in aptitude's curses interface
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23:20<kop>dondelelcaro : I hate the curses interface. There was some command-line foo. (I swear ther was a + sign involved.) I'll try the set-selections approach.
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23:22<Nemoder>there's always the dselect curses interface :P
23:22<dondelelcaro>kop: then aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686; or similar
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23:23<kop>dondelelcaro : aptitude install does not work, the same old "kept back" message.
23:24<qq> "hold" is set package on hold with 'echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections' :: revert it with 'echo package install|dpkg --set-selections' :: list packages on hold with 'dpkg --get-selections | grep hold'
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23:26<kop>dpkg --set-selections works. Thanks.
23:26<dpkg>i don't know, kop
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23:29<kop>Crud. It worked to take the hold off 2.6.18-5, but not 2.6.18-6. What's up with that?
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23:35<kop>That was very strange. echo linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 install | dpkg --set-selections did not take the old off according to aptitude search, but it did allow me to do an aptitude install on the package and now the hold is gone.
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23:44<sasuke781>hey guys.....i tried to reinstall debian and everytime i do it says files are sec for one of the files
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23:46<sasuke781>anyone have any ideas
23:49<kop>sasuke781 : Did you verify the md5sums of the cd after burning? Maybe you've a bad cd. You could always try a network install.
23:49<sasuke781>thats what im using
23:49<sasuke781>theres a problem with the debian servers apparently
23:49<sasuke781>i had to download this from somewhere else
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23:51<twb>In ntpd(8) manpage, ntpd -q is defined to be "Exit the ntpd just after the first time the clock is set. This behavior mimics that of the ntpdate program, which is to be retired. The -g and -x options can be used with this option. Note: The kernel time discipline is disabled with this option."
23:51<twb>Can I therefore purge ntpdate from my Lenny laptop and still get correct large-step time updating (since ntpd is still installed)? Or does ntpd still lack the DHCP hooks magic that emulate ntpdate?
23:51<kop>sasuke781 : Check the md5sum for the cd you've burned. It could be the message is right and the file/cd is bad.
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