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00:06<sasuke781>so are there any admins that are in here by any chance
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00:24<magyar>hi, i'm running lenny, I did "apt-get install iceweasel" but can not lunch the program
00:25<magyar>how can i install iceweasel2 as version 3 is very crappy?
00:25<snogglethorpe>magyar: go find an old download somwhere
00:26<snogglethorpe>magyar: surely has them lying somewhere around
00:26<magyar>snogglethorpe: the pool only has etch version. Notpossible to install on lenny as many deps are mising
00:26<snogglethorpe>magyar: yah that's why you should look for a standalone install like on
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00:28<magyar>kind of dumb from debianto release their own version that is completley useless
00:28<dpkg>rumour has it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information.
00:29<blarson>magyar: ^
00:29<snogglethorpe>magyar: ah, so you didn't actually come here to get advice, but rather to whine
00:30<magyar>nothing to do with whine, just a fact
00:31<snogglethorpe>magyar: uh-huh
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00:35<gn00b>what burning software will burn a *.img file?
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01:43<timmy_boy>gn00b: I would guess cdrkit as it's the Debian fork if cdrtools.
01:45<gn00b>i'll try it. thanx
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01:48<newbe1>hello all
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01:49<kevin>Anyone know how to clear Konqueror's past search entries.
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01:55<twb>Is there a subchannel for discussing network administration under Debian?
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02:02<dondelelcaro>twb: you can ask most such questions here
02:02<twb>dondelelcaro: I tried.
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02:03<twb>13:51 <twb> In ntpd(8) manpage, ntpd -q is defined to be "Exit the ntpd just after the first time the clock is set. This behavior mimics that of the ntpdate program, which is to be retired. The -g and -x options can be used with this option. Note: The kernel time discipline is disabled with this option."
02:03<twb>13:51 <twb> Can I therefore purge ntpdate from my Lenny laptop and still get correct large-step time updating (since ntpd is still installed)? Or does ntpd still lack the DHCP hooks magic that emulate ntpdate?
02:03<dondelelcaro>twb: yes, you don't need ntpdate anymore
02:03<dondelelcaro>twb: though you can still keep it if you want
02:03<twb>dondelelcaro: but if I purge it, will the large-stepping magic still happen (courtesy of ntpd's dhcp hooks), or will I have to call ntpd -q manually?
02:04<dondelelcaro>twb: it'll slew and/or jump as necessary.
02:05<dondelelcaro>(by default, anyway, since we run ntp with -g)
02:05<twb>dondelelcaro: cool, thanks.
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03:12<sasuke781>does anyone know how to use knoppix?
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03:15<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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03:17<kingsley>sasuke781: I've used a fre knoppix live CDs.
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03:56<Callipygous>so is this like a UQ server?
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03:59<pumpkin0>Callipygous: a what server ?
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04:00<EmleyMoor>Using dhcp3-server, is it possible to add two more single addresses to be treated the same as a range in the same subnet?
04:02<EmleyMoor>... example: I have a /28 and addresses .90 to .94 are spare, but so are .83 and .86
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04:05<Callipygous>nevermind it mustn't be associated with uq
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04:18<EmleyMoor>What new hardware does xserver-xorg-video-nv in etch-and-a-half support?
04:19<EmleyMoor>Not that I think it actually helps me as I still need -nvidia for the stuff I do
04:19<jm_>'man nv' shall tell you
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04:33<``ViRuS``>buon giorno
04:33<S|Y|N|A|P|S|E>someone online
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04:49<snogglethorpe>anyone know where a bogus X setting of 96x96 DPI (as reported by xdpyinfo) might be coming from? neither the xorg.conf, nor the command line args set that, and the DPI calculated from DisplaySize (which is _also_ bogus, but that's a different story...) is quite different
04:51<jm_>if you have specified DisplaySize then it should be correct
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04:52<Gekz>snogglethorpe: XFCE?
04:53<jm_>one can also pass -dpi switch to the X server
04:53<snogglethorpe>Gekz: gnome mostly (gdm, gnome-panel, metacity), but no nautilus
04:53<snogglethorpe>jm_: yeah I don't see it being passed anywhere though (it's not in the gdm configs, and "ps" doesn't show it)
04:53<jm_>snogglethorpe: then check the X logfile
04:53<Gekz>snogglethorpe: maybe you have a crappy driver
04:54<snogglethorpe>jm_: nothing obvious -- it shows the hardware calculation of dpi but that's it
04:54<snogglethorpe>Gekz: actually already asked on the radeon channel, and the concencus seems to be that it's not the driver
04:54<Gekz>I see.
04:55<jm_>snogglethorpe: try specifying the correct DisplaySize for your monitor
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04:56<snogglethorpe>jm_: yeah I already did, it's getting used by the "real" dpi calcs, visible in the Xorg.0.log, but the final xdpyinfo dpi is 96x96 ... given e.g. gnome's flakey history w/r/t forcing dpi I'm real suspicious, but I don't see where it's getting done
04:56<snogglethorpe>Gekz: the "real" DPI is also bogus, because it's useing the "virtual" screen size for dpi calculation instead of teh physical screen size, but that's apparently a general X problem, and doesn't seem directly related to the apparent forcing of 96x96 dpi
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04:57<Gekz>force it to something else
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04:57<jm_>snogglethorpe: xdpyinfo should query the server for it, so what you see in the log is what is the valid one
04:57<snogglethorpe>Gekz: I'm not really sure the proper place to do that... and if there's a bogus setting some where, I'd really rather report the bug rather than hiding it
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04:58<snogglethorpe>Gekz: Especially since I thought this stupid 96dpi crap was squashed these days
05:00<Gekz>grep your Xorg.0.log
05:00<Gekz>for DPI settings.
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05:02<snogglethorpe>Gekz: yeah already did, but it only shows the hardware calcs
05:03<snogglethorpe>Gekz: and those actually make sense modulo the bogus use of the virtual screen size
05:03<snogglethorpe>Gekz: it's properly using my DisplaySize setting, etc
05:03<Gekz>sounds unexciting
05:04<Gekz>why are you fiddling with dpi anyway
05:04<snogglethorpe>cause my screen is small enough that 96x96 dpi is crappy
05:04<snogglethorpe>no just a really tiny crt :-)
05:04<Gekz>how small are we talking
05:04<Gekz>I'm using a 17 inch crt
05:05<Gekz>I have a 15 inch crt over there.
05:05<snogglethorpe>hmm my displaysize is 280mm x 180mm
05:05<snogglethorpe>so the actual dpi is around 115
05:05<Gekz>thats about 15in
05:05<Gekz>I think
05:05<snogglethorpe>Gekz: yeah probably
05:05<snogglethorpe>forget what the official specs are
05:05<Gekz>I dont see why you need dpi changed
05:06<Gekz>use a smaller size
05:06<themill>Gekz: no, better to get the display size correct
05:06<snogglethorpe>Gekz: i don't want ot pull that "faking everything to force things to kinda sorta work" crap
05:06<snogglethorpe>Gekz: it's led to tons of bogosity already
05:06<Gekz>I use a 7 inch monitor with 96 dpi lol
05:07<snogglethorpe>so I _could_ just lie and change all the font sizes to something huge in every app
05:07<snogglethorpe>but that's very much a workaround, not a solution
05:07<themill>Gekz: There's a 10% change between 11pt and 12pt (which would be the change if you were using the correct dpi) but if you had to choose between 5pt and 6pt then you have a 20% variation for being able to change to the next smaller (or larger) font size.
05:08<themill>Gekz: Also, when your PDF or shows you the page at "100%" it usually uses the display size to get approximately the right size on screen.
05:08<snogglethorpe>anyway, it seems clear there's a stupidity soemwhere in debian/X, which is makgin the defaults wrong, and it should be fixed
05:08<snogglethorpe>after all some of thsi is not for myself, but to make debian better for the future
05:09<themill>snogglethorpe: etch or lenny?
05:09<themill>then it's your monitor that's the problem here most likely as X is getting the information directly from the monitor
05:09<snogglethorpe>themill: no the info from the monitor is correct (and I'm overriding it using DisplaySize anyway)
05:10<themill>if the information from the monitor was correct there would be no need to override it
05:10<snogglethorpe>themill: the dpi calculations visible in Xorg.0.log, which apparently precede whatever's settign it to 96dpi, are correct, modulo some other crap
05:10<jm_>try starting X without gnome then
05:11<snogglethorpe>themill: the info from the monitor is apparently for the "maximum possible image size", but since it's a crt, that's not really usable
05:11<snogglethorpe>themill: so my manually specified display size is a bit smaller than that
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05:11<themill>snogglethorpe: that must be a really crappy crt then.
05:12<snogglethorpe>themill: well the number returned in the EDID data seemed marked as "maximum possible iamge size" which is probably tehcnically true
05:12<themill>snogglethorpe: yeah, and on a decent CRT, that's almost the same as the real size. 1992 CRTs had rounded corners... recent ones don't really. The values should be right to within a couple of per cent.
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05:13<snogglethorpe>themill: well this is not an expesnive flat-screen crt
05:13<snogglethorpe>themill: it's a low end small crt from about 10 years ago
05:13<snogglethorpe>anyway, this is all kinda beside the point
05:13<themill>snogglethorpe: unfortunately, you're going to have a lot of trouble convincing people to fix things for 10 year old hardware that is well past its seel-by-date.
05:13<snogglethorpe>themill: you seem to not undersatnd the issue
05:14<themill>snogglethorpe: correct
05:14<jm_>i think it's you who's insisting X is at fault - your log clearly shows otherwise (well apparently anyway, since none of us has seen it)
05:14<snogglethorpe>themill: the issue is that something is forcing the dpi to 96dpi. That has _nothing_ to do with monitor, because calculations the server does usign the monitor ifno are _correct_
05:15<themill>snogglethorpe: that would be your windows manager then
05:15<themill>(which jm_ pointed out a while ago)
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05:15<snogglethorpe>themill: (well not actually correct because it's also screwing up and using the virtual screen dimensions intead of the physical dimensions for the dpi calculation, but that's a seperate bug I think)
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05:16<snogglethorpe>themill: well that's what I'm trying to find. I've searched around a bit for places where I know things used to bogusly force 96dpi -- e.g., in the past, gdm simlpy used to pass a "-dpi" option to the X server -- but I've run out of the "obvious" places to look.
05:16<snogglethorpe>themill: so jm_'s idea of starting without gdm is a good one; I'll try that when I next get the chance
05:16<themill>snogglethorpe: look in your gnome control centre settings. There's a DPI setting in there
05:17<themill>(at least, there is in KDE and I think there is in gnome too)
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05:19<snogglethorpe>themill: hmm any idea where? I've looked the likely places (e.g. the settings dialog for specifying screen size), but ...
05:19<jm_>or simply start another X instance to test: startx xterm -- :1
05:19<Steven_M>the debian multimedia key ring isn't working
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05:20<snogglethorpe>jm_: i'm not physically near the machine right now so it's harder to do that stuff :-)
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05:20<themill>snogglethorpe: nope. Don't do gnome... it shits me to tears. In KDE, the setting is with the font size settings.
05:20<jm_>snogglethorpe: right
05:20<snogglethorpe>though at least I have a ssh tunnel in so I can look at log files :-)
05:20<jm_>Computer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution ?
05:21<snogglethorpe>jm_: don't see anything there...
05:21<jm_>snogglethorpe: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Fonts
05:21<jm_>or click details in Screen Resolution
05:22<snogglethorpe>jm_: hmm this seems to be a different version of gnome
05:22<snogglethorpe>the fonts settings are now part of the "external appearance" dialog etc
05:22<jm_>snogglethorpe: yeah I am just pasting what google told me, I have no idea about GNOME
05:22<snogglethorpe>ah ic
05:22<snogglethorpe>i think they redid all their settings stuff recently (for the worse mostly, afaict...)
05:22<themill>dpkg: tell Steven_M about doesn't work
05:23<snogglethorpe>anyway, thanks for the tips people, gives me a few more idea
05:24<themill>have fun
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05:25<Steven_M>themill: i'm getting a bad sig error when doing apt-get update even after installing the keyring?
05:27<Steven_M>ignore the ? at the end of that line
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05:28<themill>did you run apt-get update again?
05:29<Steven_M>themill: yes several times
05:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:32<themill>Steven_M: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy debian-multimedia-keyring ; apt-get update
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05:38<Steven_M>themill: here's the policy output
05:41<Steven_M>themill: here's the apt-get update output
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05:42<jm_>try apt-key list
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05:45<Steven_M>jm_: I'll see what themill has to say about the other outputs first
05:46<jm_>Steven_M: nothing, you already have installed the version that's available
05:46<themill>Steven_M: the full output of apt-get update would be better than just the snippet... often problems are mentioned elsewhere. Can you pastebin the full output of apt-get update and also apt-key list
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05:47<Steven_M>jm_: themill: ok sorry to both of you
05:47<jm_>heh there's no need to apologize
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05:50<T_X>hi there, how can I activate hardware acceleration on my terminal-console? I have a laptop with nvidia geforce 8600M GT. I'd also like to get directfb(does this one have hardware acceleration while the normal one hasn't?) running
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05:51<T_X>I want to use directfb with mplayer i.e.
05:51<aronofsky>hi , I got a question about packaging system , actually I got a list of available updates for my computers ( from Packages.gz ) and id like to get the DSA and CVE numbers associated to the updates , how can I do that ?
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05:51<jm_>nvidiafb should provide some acceleration
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05:52<themill>aronofsky: parsing the changelog is the only thing you can do... try dpkg-parsechangelog and hope that the security team mentioned the CVE in the changelog (which they should do). See also debsecan
05:53<T_X>I realised, that scrolling in the manpages is quiet slow, is that because of the missing hardware acceleration at the moment?
05:53<T_X>what do I have to do to switch to nvidiafb?
05:54<aronofsky>themill: how can I get the changelog of the specific package first ?
05:54<themill>aronofsky: aptitude changelog packagename should work. Or use apt-listchanges to extract them all for you.
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05:58<T_X>I get the following error message when I try to use mplayer with '-vo directfb':
06:00<Steven_M>the mill: apt-get
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06:05<Steven_M>themill: apt-key
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06:09<Steven_M>themill: any ideas?
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06:11<themill>Steven_M: it's failing to actually get the Release file, that's why the signature is failing. See line 19 of your apt-get update output
06:12<Steven_M>themill: how do I fix it?
06:13<themill>Steven_M: You have another "failed to fetch" line for your mirror too. Sounds like your network connection is pants, or you have a transparent proxy or similar in the road
06:15<Steven_M>themill: not usually, I'll try different mirrors
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06:16<Steven_M>themill: be back soon
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06:59<T_X>re, did I miss any answers :D?
06:59<vook>T_X: try -vo fbdev2
07:00<T_X>hmm, but this one has no hardware acceleration either, has it? I useually used -vo fbdev, but this one lags when I use it for hd-videos or if scale dvds to fullscreen
07:01<vook>hmm, no probably not
07:01<jm_>it might be slow CPU too
07:01<T_X>well, I think it's not a matter of the cpu, intel core 2 duo T7300
07:02<jm_>that's probably on the limit for full HD videos
07:02<T_X>the thing is, it's absolutely fluent when I play these things using x11
07:03<jm_>with nvidia driver?
07:03<T_X>yep, nvidia driver
07:03<vook>snogglethorpe: that helps, yes.
07:04<jm_>like I said, try nvidiafb but don't put a lot of hopes into it
07:04<aronofsky>themill: im coming back on the DSA/CVE thing , im tryin to take a look at the changelog but it seems those values appears nowhere
07:04<snogglethorpe>proper use of beer/vodka may make the images much more satisfying
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07:06<T_X>hmm, yeah, beer+vodka adds a little more hardware acceleration to that... but I think the bug of having motion blur with this plugin isn't fixed yet, is it?
07:06<T_X>this usually makes the images a bit toooo smooth
07:06<snogglethorpe>T_X: smoooooooooth
07:07<snogglethorpe>that kinda filtering doesn't come cheap
07:07<themill>aronofsky: do you have the correct changelog? CVE numbers are always listed in the changelog by the security team. Compare the version numbers.
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07:09<T_X>yeah, yeah, and as I heard it can be quiet dangerous as well, it can prevent your pc from proper booting for the whole next day!
07:09<T_X>but only if you push this kinda 'overclocking' a little too far
07:10<snogglethorpe>T_X: incidentally any reason not to just use X, if it's nicer than the raw fb?
07:10<aronofsky>themill: my mistake, CVE are here, actually what means exactly the urgency vlaue in changelog ?
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07:10<themill>aronofsky: see section 4.4 of the debian policy
07:11<themill>err... 5.6.17, actually.
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07:12<T_X>you mean why I'm so focussed on using fb instead of x at the moment?
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07:14<snogglethorpe>T_X: yeah
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07:15<T_X>well, quicker (cuz of just hacking some commands on the command line, fast switching between everything thanks to gnu screen), consumes less battery-power compared to compiz-fusion,
07:16<vook>well then turn off that compiz &#@ :) just load an xinit and then openbox (or the like).
07:17<T_X>i think it also feals a lot more comfortable cuz I don't need a mouse for the console (the mini-touhpads for moving the mouspointers on laptops are still crap)
07:17<aronofsky>themill: thx
07:17<snogglethorpe>T_X: you cuold just start X with a single huge xterm the size of the screen :-)
07:17<snogglethorpe>T_X: and no wm
07:17<T_X>hmm, hmm... :D
07:17<snogglethorpe>then it'd be more or less like a console
07:18<pater>T_X: mine consumes less energy if X is running. The fb-driver does not have a power-saving option so the GPU runs at full speed and voltage in console.
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07:18<snogglethorpe>and X is pretty lightweight without all the crap people usually run under it
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07:18<snogglethorpe>and as you've found out, the X drivers are more likely to be optimized well...
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07:18<stevecotton>and X has more users, to shout about / fix bugs, so you don't have to
07:19<snogglethorpe>boy this is like the X love club :-)
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07:19<vook>with openbox you can open a terminal, maximize it, and then remove the window controls (still having virtual desktops, etc...)
07:19<winford>T_X: ratpoison
07:20<T_X>but isn't all that a bit tooo heavy? it sounds like in all these commercials that want to tell me that I have to get the bigger/more expensive/better thingy although I don't really need it :D
07:21<snogglethorpe>T_X: there are tons of lightweight wms (and you don't actually _need_ a wm at all)
07:21<snogglethorpe>T_X: X isn't heavy
07:21<snogglethorpe>T_X: stuff like gnome/kde/firefox are heavy
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07:22<snogglethorpe>T_X: but really, remember X was developed originally on systems with like 1 MB of memory...
07:23<padski>and is still used on palmtops
07:23<T_X>argh, I seem to be a little outnumbered in this channel and I'm slowly running out of aspects
07:24<T_X>what about 'style'-points for fb?
07:24<snogglethorpe>T_X: hmm i dunno, mainly when I think of fb I think "really big pixels"... :-)
07:25<vook>T_X: yeah - with an intel core 2 duo T7300, you may as well use it. fb is fun, but save it for the Tandy.
07:25<stevecotton>you get the style points, but so do users of $obscure-window-manager
07:25<snogglethorpe>T_X: but for your app, it seems you basically need to find out which driver is optimized enough for your needs, and it sounds like that's not the fb driver...
07:25<T_X>lol, no, my one is at 1280x800 pixels with mainly coloured (!!!) pixels *fg*
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07:26<pater>hell, even KDE manages to start on 256MB RAM. ratpoison should work with 32MB. How much do you have ? 2048 ?
07:26<T_X>cough, cough... yeah
07:27<pater>the PCI-bus is using more space for signaling then X and ratpoison together.
07:27<T_X>I'm using 144MB of this atm
07:28<winford>that machine is too much power for you! =P
07:28<pater>you know RAM consumes energy no matter if it is used or not? If you want a low-low-energy systemn then get rid of the HD and grab intels powertop tool.
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07:29<aronofsky>themill: is it possible that some packages doesnt have no changelog, here is what I got : Couldn't fetch URL
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07:32<T_X>I somehow got tired of compiz-fusion and spend some philosophical minutes in silence and came to the conclusion that I don't need eye-candy at all and I was looking for the most radical way I could find :D. and on the other hand my laptop battery is slowly breaking... I can only recharge it to 45% of the designed capacity
07:32<T_X>ok, you and aptitudes description of ratpoison convinced me (keyboard-only window manager), I'll try that one
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07:32<T_X>and then maybe nvidiafb someday later
07:34<E0x>of compiz-fusion the only one effect/plugins that i saw useful is the expose like one
07:34<padski>aronofsky, try
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07:35<T_X>well, the wobbly windows could be usefull as well, as long as you use a desktop pc
07:35<E0x>how the wobbly can be usefull ?
07:35<padski>showing off ?
07:35<mordy>window manager wars?
07:36<mordy>i'm using xfce - i'm loving it
07:36<T_X>makes the working more 'comfortable' by adding the smoothy extra :D. everything does not seem so solid anymore and the work you want to do on your pc suddenly feels less forceful, more smoothy as well :D
07:37<mordy>hehe, i don't have all these wobbly effects. never liked them
07:37<T_X>and if you need a break, you are angry, then you can shake the windows in the most brutal way you can ever imagine
07:37<padski>mood control. dial 734 "interested nod".
07:37<T_X>ah, that's what's missing in compiz-fusion! screaming windows, if you shake them very hard, hehe
07:38<aronofsky>padski: it works, but why aptitude changelog notification daemon doesn't try to fetch the right file ,
07:39<mordy>i don't think i've seen a better window manager than xfce - gives you the most bang (i.e. eyecandy, ease of use) for the buck (i.e. resources)
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07:40<padski>aronofsky, the pts web pages give that link, and I'm not sure if a b1 needs a changelog entry, so perhaps this is a bug in aptitude.
07:40<stevecotton>T_X - when a battery can only charge to 80%, it's conventionally considered dead.
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07:43<mordy>they say putting the battery into the freezer helps, never worked for me, i don't know how it helps either
07:43<T_X>well, yeah, I have to get a new one I think
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07:46<T_X>hmm, you could try to cool the battery down to -273°C, ten you will probably not use anything inside of the battery
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07:47<hever>Should I put swap on LVM or just on the harddisk ?
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07:48<pater>T_X: for the next one:
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07:51<snogglethorpe> hmm what's a good disk speed, as measured by "hdparm -t"?
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07:52<T_X>if they say 40%, do they mean of the design capacity or of the current maximum capacity?
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07:52<pater>snogglethorpe: 60-70MB/s for desktop drives.
07:53<snogglethorpe>hmm, this shows 113 MB/s
07:53<jm_>if it was current then it would never be bad
07:53<vook>T_X: /proc/acpi/battery/info & state give good info
07:53<snogglethorpe>nice that I didn't have to tweak it
07:54<snogglethorpe>I guess nowdays they set the defaults reasonably
07:54<jm_>snogglethorpe: what kind of drive is that?
07:55<snogglethorpe>jm_: Western Digital WD6400AAKS
07:55<snogglethorpe>jm_: cheap too
07:55<snogglethorpe>jm_: and fairly big
07:55<snogglethorpe>jm_: and quiet
07:56<jm_>snogglethorpe: ahh the new 320GB/platter model
07:56<jm_>I have prev. gen 5000AAKS
07:56<snogglethorpe>jm_: i dunno why it's so cheap though it seems like a fairly decent drive
07:56<jm_>snogglethorpe: yeah the prices keep going down, good thing ;)
07:56<snogglethorpe>jm_: maybe it will explode after 5 weeks :-)
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07:57<jm_>snogglethorpe: hmm I have two WD-s at home now, the old 250G got bad sectors after one year, will see how the new ones are doing soon
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07:59<snogglethorpe>jm_: i dunno, I've heard typical current-day sata drives are a bit less reliable in general than typical olden-days scsi drives, for instance
07:59<T_X>you mean /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/uevent. wasn't that recently changed to this path? so if I want to try this freezer-trick, do I have to do it with the now maximum loading (which is 45% of the design capacity) or with 40% of the 45% of the design capacity?
07:59<snogglethorpe>(previous scsi drive sounded like a machine gun bolted to a jet engine, but damn if it wasn't reliable..)
08:00<snogglethorpe>still for these prices I figure I might as well buy another and use it for backup...
08:00<vook>don't freeze your battery
08:00<jm_>snogglethorpe: probably depends on your luck - i've got 160G WD going on this work machine since dec 2005 (running in 24/7 mode)
08:00<vook>T_X: trust me
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08:02<T_X>is the probability of completely breaking the battery too high or why shouldn't I give it a try?
08:02*vook tried the freezer /trick/ long ago, only to find that it made matters worse - it left my battery with 0% capacity.
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08:04<T_X>hmm, ok, but recently frozen batteries don't explode, do they? I mean, I could try if I bought a new one, right?
08:04<vook>It'll probably not explode, it'll just die.
08:05<vook>T_X: have you discharged it completely?
08:05<themill>aronofsky: that package was binNMUd so there should be no changes, just a recompilation
08:05<vook>(loaded the BIOS setup, and just let the computer die).
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08:06<aronofsky>themill: so its a bug in aptitude ?
08:06<T_X>yeah, think so, I several times forgot to turn of my laptop so it discharged until 0%, I suppose
08:07<themill>well... it's hard for aptitude to find the right changelog in that case... downloading the packages and extracting the changelog from the .deb as apt-listchanges does might actually be the easier option. Both apt-get and aptitude have download only options.
08:07<Torstein>is there anything wrong with the website? I'm trying to get the "netinst" of debian and i receive 404
08:08<T_X>but thanks, I'm off now, getting too late here
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08:09<vook>Torstein: you may try using jigdo to make a netinst - it's often faster because it can draw from a local mirror.
08:10<aronofsky>themill: ok , thx for the information
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08:14<jm_>Torstein: which web page would that be? goatse?
08:15<gsimmons>Torstein: Installation media for the previous stable point release (4.0r3) have been moved over to
08:15<themill>jm_: there appear to be no CD images available for etch actually linked to from the debian web pages anywhere. 4.0r4 aren't available yet and 4.0r3 has been archived.
08:16<Torstein>gsimmons, if i install with that image, will I be sitting with a very outdated system and have to download a new image again in a few days?
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08:17<themill>Torstein: if you aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade straight away you'll be fine, there will be no differences.
08:17<gsimmons>Torstein: No, you can update to 4.0r4 after the initial system is installed.
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08:19<padski>aronofsky, see
08:19<Torstein>Allright, thanks. :)
08:19<aronofsky>padski: now im sure, thx a lot
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08:44<themill>!iceweasel user-agent
08:44<dpkg>i heard iceweasel user-agent is not the same as Firefox. If you encounter a site or plugin that works with Firefox or MSIE but not Iceweasel, first smack the authors, then go to about:config and change general.useragent.extra.firefox to Firefox/<version>; or use an extension (such as "User-Agent Switcher") to change your user-agent. Remember to switch it back afterwards though, or no-one will bother to fix their broken websites!
08:44<vook>oh, nevermind. Lenny installed iceweasel 3.01 - attempting installing a theme...
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08:58<aronofsky>themill: me again ( sorry ), i just wanted to know , is there a way to download all the changelog database locally like you can do for available updates via Packages.gz archive ?
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09:03<themill>aronofsky: not that I know of.
09:03<aronofsky>themill: ok, thx
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09:19<hever>How can I get the size of a ext3 filesystem? (On a LVM partition) I resized it and going to check the size now...
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09:22<jm_>df works too
09:22<padski>if it is mounted
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09:30<TLSpartan>Is the predesktop area on thinkpads invisible to the partitioner during an etch install (netinstall 4.0r3)?
09:32<qq_> predesktop area ?
09:34<TLSpartan>It seems useless
09:34<TLSpartan>but it may have a use later
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09:36<padski>TLSpartan, try reading the reference you gave.
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09:37<TLSpartan>since its hidden
09:38<TLSpartan>theres no chance of me wiping it?
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09:39<padski>it didn't sound very hidden to me.
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09:44<TLSpartan>i'm going too look into it some more before I wipe XP
09:45<TLSpartan>thanks for the help padski
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10:26<lindenle>how can i rescan my scsi bus to look for my ultrabay DVD player
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10:28<gsimmons>!rescan scsi
10:28<dpkg>rumour has it, scsi rescan is echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan (where # is the number of the relevant SCSI host). Any new devices found will be listed in /proc/scsi/scsi.
10:29<usuario>screen -x dj/
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10:30<usuario>^a + c
10:31<usuario> joe nada
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10:32<usuario>^a + S
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10:34<hlfshell>how does one use sftp to upload files ot the machine you're connected to (its a debian machine)
10:34<S>you're a debian machine
10:35<themill>hlfshell: you generally make a new connection to use sftp rather than reusing an existing connection
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10:35<padski>hlfshell, it is much like the trad. command-line interactive ftp prog
10:35<S>whats a debian machine
10:35<themill>hlfshell: or use a GUI sftp program if you want. /msg dpkg sftp
10:35<hlfshell>hmmm so in other words - find another way.
10:36<hlfshell>alright guys, i think ill go the GUI route then. thanks fore the help/.
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10:38<fraggsta>can someone tell me whether this drive is dying, or should I not be concerned about these SMART values?
10:39<AzaTht>Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message: W: invalid date
10:39<fraggsta>the Raw_Read_Error_Rate attribute is increasing
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10:39<AzaTht>wrong time on bts-server again?
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10:43<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>fraggsta: well this is what I get
10:43<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I guess you should backup your data then
10:43<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>just in case it dies on you
10:45<fraggsta>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: Yeah..I've been looking around online and a lot of people seem to say it's not something to worry about but I'd kind of like to make sure. It's a new machine so I don't want to start using it a lot and then have a drive die.
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11:04<sasuke781>anyone alive in here o.O
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11:06*GhostlyDeath|Laptop starts to decay
11:07<seisen>no were all brain eating debian using zombies
11:08<sasuke781>ok..ill be sure to stay
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11:08<sasuke781>no but seriously
11:08<sasuke781>can you help me make a partition bootable using knoppix?
11:08<seisen>I might be able to
11:09<sasuke781>ok what do i need to run....i've got a terminal window open but cfdisk cant open /dev/hda1
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11:10<AzaTht>Getting following error from apt-listbugs:
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11:10<AzaTht>for following command:
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11:11<seisen>are you using the knoppix livecd sasuke781?
11:13<seisen>did you mount /dev/hda1
11:14<sasuke781>yes i did
11:14<sasuke781>just double checked
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11:17<sasuke781>oui? you mean?
11:18<kuruminil>alguem do brasil
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11:19<mrtin>hey guys... how do i scan a range of IPs to a certain port number with nmap?
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11:20<sasuke781>seisen, ???????????
11:21<seisen>what error does it give you when you try to use cfdisk?
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11:22<sasuke781>fatal error cannot open disk
11:23<seisen>are you running as root?
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11:24<sasuke781>i have no idea
11:24<sasuke781>it says....knoppix@knoppix
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11:24<sasuke781>i guess thats my username
11:24<seisen>yes it is
11:24<sasuke781>how do i switch to root
11:25<seisen>type in sudo su
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11:27<erKURITA>sudo su
11:27<erKURITA>I lol'd
11:28<sasuke781>it cant make it bootable =[
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11:29<seisen>what error pops up?
11:30<sasuke781>none....thats what pops up
11:30<sasuke781>"cannot make this partition bootable"
11:30<erKURITA>are you serious?
11:31<erKURITA>what partition program are you using?
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11:31<sasuke781>the one on the debian install disk
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11:31<erKURITA>What's wrong with parted or fdisk ?
11:31<sasuke781>no...i partitioned it with the debian install
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11:33<sasuke781>it says its free space
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11:35<sasuke781>how do i use fdisk to do it?
11:36<erKURITA>err, I can't recall right now
11:36<erKURITA>give me a second
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11:38<sasuke781>>< ok
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11:40<sasuke781>he left me
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11:44<seisen>okay type in fdisk /dev/hda1
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11:44<seisen>actually it might be /mnt/hda1
11:44<seisen>for you
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11:47<sasuke781>ok hold on
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11:51<sasuke781>it says
11:51<guinness>I have a 4 port usb hub, but linux will not pick it up; is there anyway I can get it to function in debian?
11:51<sasuke781>device contains neither a valid DOS partition table ot sun or sgi....etc
11:52<Azhrarn>so, I tried to update bind9 on one of my machines for the poisoning issue, and got hit with this repeatedly in my logs:
11:52<seisen>what does fdisk -l say, sasuke781
11:52<Azhrarn>named[4226]: setsockopt(48, IPV6_RECVPKTINFO) failed: Protocol not available
11:52<sasuke781>it built a new one....but if i write it it says all content will be unrecoverable
11:53<Azhrarn>I don't use ipv6 on that server anywhere, but not sure why that error would be spewed all over
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11:54<svend>I am packaging software that was developed in-house, and does not have a license yet. Is there an appropriate license I would use for debian/copyright in this situation?
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11:56<sasuke781>ok...i did fdisk -1 and i got invalid option -- 1
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11:56<guinness>I have a 4 port usb hub, but linux will not pick it up; is there anyway I can get it to function in debian?
11:56<erKURITA>-l ?
11:56<cahoot>l as in L
11:56<sasuke781>-_- my bad
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11:57<sasuke781>ok....i have a ton of you want it all?
11:57<seisen>pastebin it
11:57<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
11:57<sasuke781>how lol its on another computer
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11:58<seisen>how many lines is it?
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11:58<sasuke781> 6
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11:59<seisen>it should be fine this one time
11:59<seisen>just post it here
11:59<sasuke781>ok...give me a min to type it all
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12:01<sasuke781>Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856
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12:02<sasuke781>255 heads, 63 cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280
12:03<sasuke781>shit i messed that up ><
12:03<seisen>what does it say for the partitons?
12:04<sasuke781>just a sec
12:04<sasuke781> /dev/hda1 has a * under boot
12:05<sasuke781>and system is linux
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12:05<seisen>then it should be bootable now
12:07<fxiny>pelmon: apt-cache show foremost
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12:07<pelmon>fxiny: someone else?
12:07<sasuke781>wow....just like that?
12:07<fxiny>pelmon: hmmm, dont' you need to recover some files ?
12:08<fxiny>i have a f* note here
12:08<pelmon>yeah. i need to do a few things
12:08<cahoot>sasuke781: bootable flag is of no importance for linux
12:08<guinness>pelmon: i have a problem with my 4 port usb hub, do you know of a way to configure it to run in debian?
12:09<fxiny>pelmon: that's the usa navy/air something app
12:09<pelmon>oh, sweet. thanks for that
12:09<fxiny>good luck
12:09<pelmon>guiness: think you might be better off asking someone else about that
12:10<guinness>ok thanks....anybody else have any ideas, I sure could use the extra usb ports
12:10<seisen>what does lsusb say guinness?
12:10<pelmon>guiness: is that a pci card?
12:11<seisen>duh it might be pci
12:11<guinness>let me check lsusb, and no the original ports are onboard
12:11<pelmon>just got here. what are you guys talking about anyway?
12:11<erKURITA>isn't an usb hub just like any usb device?
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12:12<seisen>guiness can't get his 4-port hub to work in debian
12:12<guinness>erKURITA: that is what I thought, but when I plug it in it does not show anything in lsusb
12:13<erKURITA>guinness did you plug a memory stick to the hub?
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12:15<erKURITA>answer here
12:15<guinness>erKURITA: no, no place to do that, I just plug in my mem card reader and my printer
12:16<erKURITA>then unplug one and plug a memory stick?
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12:17<guinness>erKURITA: not sure what you mean by plug in a memory stick
12:17<erKURITA>have you got a pen drive, memory stick, usb drive, etc...
12:17<erKURITA>you name it
12:18<erKURITA>that you store files in ?
12:19<sasuke781>that didnt work....its still not booting
12:19<sasuke781>not from the harddrive that is
12:19<erKURITA>so, what were you trying sasuke781 ?
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12:20<sasuke781>fdisk -l
12:20<erKURITA>fdisk -l just shows the partition table of all disks recognized by the system
12:21<sasuke781>o.O well said /dev/hda1 was boot
12:21<erKURITA>fdisk -l /dev/hda shows /dev/hda1 as the booting partition ?
12:22<sasuke781>just fdisk -l
12:22<guinness>erKURITA: I just have the card reader, and the printer, I have unplugged and plugged in all the ways you can think of to get it to work and nothing, am I missing some driver. because just the hub doesn't work, if I plug directly to my pc the devices work fine
12:22<erKURITA>sasuke781 execute fdisk -l /dev/hda1
12:22<cahoot>erKURITA: fdisk can't tell anything about from which partition one boots
12:22<erKURITA>l as lowercase L
12:22<erKURITA>cahoot it can
12:22<sasuke781>well...i have to wait now =[...knoppix has to reload
12:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:24<cahoot>erKURITA: : bootable flag is of no importance for linux
12:24<erKURITA>how does GRUB from a partition loads then
12:24<erKURITA>if it's not in the MBR
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12:27<eliteforce>hello, is there a site or tool which shows all repository changes? or an rss feed, would also be cool..
12:27<eliteforce>like: package x updated, new package y
12:28<erKURITA>generally, updating one's packages list would show the upgrades when doing apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade
12:29<pelmon>if S.M.A.R.T. is triggered on a hard drive is it completely toast? thought i remembered a way to mark bad sectors on a drive so that the rest of the drive would be usable. can anyone confirmy/deny this?
12:29<eliteforce>yeah but I'm looking for something to see what's happening
12:29<eliteforce>erKURITA: in the whole debian apt repo
12:29<erKURITA>S.M.A.R.T. is a hard drive health monitor, not some kind of End-of-the-world device
12:30<erKURITA>eliteforce what for?
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12:32<eliteforce>erKURITA: to track down development
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12:33<fxiny>pelmon: do your test smartctl test from smartmontools
12:33<eliteforce>something like
12:34<fxiny>pelmon: docs howto faq freebeer at
12:34<sasuke781>so does anyone know why fdisk says my linux partition is bootable when its not
12:35<eliteforce>sasuke781: what kinda partition is it? primary?
12:35<sasuke781>i have no idea....sorry...i just went step by step through the install
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12:35<sasuke781>did guided partitioning
12:36<eliteforce>sasuke781: no dual-booting or sth like that?
12:36<eliteforce>sasuke781: what's the actual problem
12:36<sasuke781>nope...single boot
12:36<sasuke781>it wont boot....simple as that
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12:37<cahoot>you must get some error msg?
12:37<sasuke781>bios reports "DISK BOOT FAILURE"
12:37<cahoot>where did you install grub to?
12:38<eliteforce>oh i found what i was looking for.. nice ;)
12:38<sasuke781>where ever debian's installer does by default
12:38<eliteforce>never trust the defaults - haha xD
12:38<fxiny>pelmon: pretty verbose tests . you get something like : Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_erro
12:39<fxiny>and more
12:39<cahoot>sasuke781: you got knoppix loaded atm?
12:39<pelmon>remaining lifetime. thats good
12:39<sasuke781>no =[ but go ahead and tell me what i need to run
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12:40<fxiny>oh is a very good test indeed
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12:41<sasuke781>im loading it now
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12:41<cahoot>sasuke781: dd if=/dev/sda count=1 | strings would tell you if grub is present in the MBR (if sda is your disk)
12:41<eliteforce>cahoot: knoppix? the debian install cd is just fine..
12:42<cahoot>eliteforce: well he had knoppix running earlier
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12:43<sasuke781>sda is scsi isnt it?
12:43<cahoot>or sata
12:43<E0x>or usb
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12:44<cahoot>so /dev/hda?
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12:44<erKURITA>Gentoo names hdX devices as sdX, as far as I remember
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12:45<sasuke781>im using debian?
12:45<erKURITA>just as a side-note
12:45<sasuke781>o lol
12:45<cahoot>depending on kernelversion - no?
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12:45<E0x>windows name ide device as C: , D: as far as i remember
12:45<erKURITA>I don't know the latest sabayon, but the one from half a year ago still names it like that
12:45<E0x>just a side note
12:46<erKURITA>E0x lol
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12:47<eliteforce>doesnt only depend on the kernel version afaik
12:47<fxiny>sasuke781: 18:38 < sasuke781> where ever debian's installer does by default , iirc the installer asks where and *if* you want to install grub
12:47<eliteforce>sasuke781: mount your hdd, chroot into it and grub-install /dev/hda - might fix it
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12:50<coondog>is there any free firewalls for debian?
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12:51<cahoot>like ready made iptables scripts? yes
12:51<coondog>firestarter crashes on me
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12:51<pelmon>you might want to fix that
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12:53<coondog>also, I don't know if Firestarter's events work on Debian currently
12:53<eliteforce>coondog: ever used apt-cache search or the search feature <in your apt gui tool>?
12:53<coondog>yes eliteforce
12:53<coondog>I'm not a noob, lol
12:54<coondog>also know about dpkg-files --listfiles
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12:58<eliteforce>coondog: so just look at the over 100 results :P
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13:26*djw idly wonders if the etchnhalf amd64 netboot is broken
13:27<djw>and the link to the net install CD doesn't work
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13:29<themill>all installer images are missing for the time being :(
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13:30<djw>I just installed etchnhalf from the i386 net boot debian-installer
13:30<djw>I installed lenny too, since I forgot to add suite=etch
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13:31<RaZa>hi guys, during an update i set the system to do whilst i was out it's returned an error. It's the AMD64 build of etch :) The following is in the 'Details Provided Box':
13:31<RaZa>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-i386_2.3.6.ds1-13etch7_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/lib32', which is also in package ia32-libs-sdl
13:31<RaZa>any help?
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13:33<Nemoder>RaZa: I don't see any ia32-libs-sdl package in etch
13:34<RaZa>what the hell does it think it's doing then?
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13:34<RaZa>there's no force flag i can give to apt to force the update is there?
13:35<erKURITA>does that package even exist?
13:35<Nemoder>apparently it is an ubuntu package, not a debian package
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13:35<erKURITA>should have started there
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13:35<Nemoder>RaZa: you shouldn't install ubuntu packages on debian
13:35<RaZa>so, why have debian developers been stealing ubuntu's dpkg builds :p
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13:36<RaZa>i dont install ubuntu packages
13:36<RaZa>i ahve no ubuntu repo on either
13:36<Obby>bien le bonjour !
13:36<Obby>oouuups i'm on english irc ;-)
13:37<dpkg>hmm... fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:37<Obby>so hello everyone
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13:38<RaZa>^^so any help as to what's going on, and why apt/dpkg wont update
13:39<fxiny>tres bien ? oh la la nous avon le Shark Aussi flambe' :P
13:39<erKURITA>say what?
13:39<erKURITA>RaZa were you trying to migrate from ubuntu to debian or some sort?
13:39<Nemoder>RaZa: you can try to remove the offending package
13:40<rostedt>hi all, I just did an aptitude upgrade and it bomded out on me. It now tells me to do "dpkg --configure -a" but that fails with
13:40<RaZa>no i was not trying to migrate the distro
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13:40<RaZa>so you reckon just try a dpkg uninstall
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13:40<erKURITA>dude that's some really messed up dpkg mess
13:41<erKURITA>RaZa that may work
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13:41<pelmon>if i add a sources to my sources.list that uses sid and i'm using lenny or etch, will that possibly cause breakage?
13:41<erKURITA>you could try stripping off your ubuntu-debian hybrid down to a GNU/Linux distro
13:41<rostedt>erKURITA: heh, yeah wonderful
13:41<erKURITA>and then migrate towards Debian
13:43<Nemoder>pelmon: if it contains packages with newer versions of common libraries then probably
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13:44<RaZa>good, a dpkg -P ia32-libs-sdl seems to have done the job :)
13:45<RaZa>uh, now it's done the same but for another package:
13:45<RaZa>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-i386_2.3.6.ds1-13etch7_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib32', which is also in package ia32-lib-firefox
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13:47<Nemoder>RaZa: if at some point you installed ubuntu packages your system may be broken, you can try to remove non-debian packages one a time but Good Luck
13:47<RaZa>hmm, removing ia32-lib-firefox, has killed my swiftweasel32
13:48<RaZa>no, it would appear the prob was swiftweasel32
13:48<RaZa>i'll look at it later, for now I need something to eat :p
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14:11<sasuke781>i have knoppix open
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14:11<sasuke781>what command was it that i need to put in to see if GRUB is on my primary
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14:20<sasuke781>ok....can someone else help me
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14:21<sasuke781>i cant boot debian.....i just tried grub-install /dev/hda1 and it said could not find device for /boot not found or not a block device
14:22<sasuke781>doesthat mean i dont even have a boot partition?
14:22<pumpkin0>sasuke781: this chanel as ~ 340 people online. The freenode one has more ..
14:22<sasuke781>screw that server
14:23<sasuke781>all they do is tell you to google
14:23<sasuke781>just help me please?
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14:23<sasuke781>just for the record i tried google..
14:23<caffn>Hi all =)
14:24<pumpkin0>i cannot help you. i touched grub for the last time about 6 years ago.
14:24<caffn>Sup with grub?
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14:25<sasuke781>well do i need the stupid thing.....all i want is single boot debian linux.....thats all....if i dont need it....tell me how to make the stupid thing boot =[
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14:26<caffn>Yes, but you can set it for a 0-second loading if you like? You wont see anything about it.
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14:26<caffn>Hi Txt_file !
14:27<Txt_file>hy caffn
14:27<sasuke781>i dont care....i just want the thing to boot
14:27*caffn fixed his internetconnection. The modem died ;D
14:27<sasuke781>if you can tell me how to get this thing to any means....tell me
14:27<Txt_file>caffn: 25 or 56Kbit/s modem? *laugh*
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14:28<caffn>rofl @ Txt_file
14:28<caffn>ADSL2+, max of 25 mbit :)
14:28<caffn>Don't know sasuke781 , think we'd need some error to figure out whats the problem
14:28<wnd>sasuke781, can you boot from some live cd/dvd? is your hard drive on ata, serial-ata, scsi bus, or something rather exotic?
14:29<DeathBRingeR|Laptop>is there a 4.0r4 on cd that is out yet?
14:29<wnd>in other words is /dev/hda your hard drive?
14:29<Txt_file>caffn: I want SDSL
14:29<picknick>wnd: sasuke781 has Knoppix already open
14:29<sasuke781>by hdd is on ide
14:30<picknick>sasuke781: try 'sudo fdisk -l'
14:30<sasuke781>i found grub on /dev/hda1
14:30<caffn>Txt_file, yeah.. Well, in the netherlands they are rolling out the fiber-to-the-home projects, 100 mbit up and down for low prices
14:31<sasuke781>what do you want to know
14:31<Txt_file>caffn: damn ... I will live in netherlands ... only cause fibre-to-home
14:31<caffn> :D
14:31<wnd>and "dmesg | grep -E '[hs]d[a-f]'" will also print out something expected?
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14:32<sasuke781>do you want anything from the fdisk?
14:32<picknick>sasuke781: (U have to know the partition where debian is)
14:33<wnd>and that "Debian/Sarge" part of looks like something I'd try first
14:33<sasuke781>well i would guess that its the big one -_-
14:33<picknick>sasuke781: ok
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14:34<wnd>(however personally I have an emergency floppy with grub2 on it)
14:34<picknick>sasuke781: When U know the right partition, edit grub menu.lst --> (/boot/grub/menu.lst
14:34<sasuke781>ok ok hold on
14:35<sasuke781>i have errors from that last thing after fdisk
14:35<caffn>What error?
14:35<sasuke781>VFS: cant find an ext2 filesystem on dev hda
14:35<sasuke781>thats 1
14:35<naz>is there any downside to using logical partitions instead of primary partitions?
14:36<fxiny>hard to recover stuff
14:36<fxiny>just that
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14:36<naz>primary it is
14:36<sasuke781>ReiserFS: hda: warning: sh-2021: reiserfs_fills_super: can not find reiserfs on hda
14:36<sasuke781>thats 2
14:37<fxiny>is a minor downside
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14:37<fxiny>i use logicals
14:37<sasuke781>VFS: cant find a valid FAT filesytem on dev hda
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14:37<sasuke781>and then it added some swap file on /dev/hda5?
14:38<lst>where is php5 installed by default?
14:38<sasuke781>did both of you get all that?
14:38<wnd>lst, dpkg -L php5 :-)
14:39<lst>aah thanks, wnd
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14:39<wnd>sasuke781, sounds like that grub is, for some reason, trying to find a filesystem from /dev/hda and not /dev/hdaX
14:39<sasuke781>and picknick, i dont have enough permission to read menu.lst
14:39<caffn>Use sudo sasuke781
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14:40<wnd>if you don't have the permission to read grub's configuration, you really shouldn't have permission to install grub!
14:40<caffn>Oh boy.
14:40<picknick>sasuke781: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
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14:42<sasuke781>ok.....theres nothing in it.....
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14:42<sasuke781>im just gonna guess thats a bad thing
14:42<lst>wnd, that doesnt seem to have executables
14:43<lst>/usr /usr/share | /usr/share/doc | /usr/share/doc/php5
14:43<picknick>sasuke781: If its empty its unpossible to boot anything... :)
14:43<wnd>lst, I avoid php5 myself so I can't speak for experience. what about php5-cli or php5-cgi is you're looking for those?
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14:43<sasuke781>well...are you sure this is the /boot from /dev/hda1?
14:43<wnd>sasuke781, have you installed grub as root in the first place, or have you also tried that as ordinary user?
14:44<lst>php.ini-dist php.ini-dist.cli
14:44<lst>are the files in /usr/share/php5
14:44<sasuke781>im root right now....
14:44<caffn>Looks like only php5-docs is installed lst
14:44<sasuke781>i installed root during the debian install
14:45<sasuke781>but obviously its not working lol
14:45<caffn>Try "apt-cache policy php5| @ lst
14:45<picknick>sasuke781: only U can tell us if the menu.lst is the right one...
14:45<caffn>Without the | ofcourse :X
14:45<sasuke781>well i cant if i dont know how to check
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14:45<lst>picknick, i did apt-get install php5
14:47<newsense-batman>php5-common ?
14:47<picknick>sasuke781: U can do it... ->
14:47<wnd>if you want to have the command-line executable, you need to install php5-cli manually. php5 seems to depend on apache's php5-module (or php5-cgi) and php5-common only
14:47<wnd>at least in unstable
14:48<lst>manually as in compiling?
14:49<caffn>Manually as in "apt-get install php5-cli" lst
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14:49<lst>ah ok
14:50<lst>weird that it's not installed with php5
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14:55<picknick>(Wondering why grub finds ALL windows partitions to boot from but no OTHER linux-distributions to boot)
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14:56<sasuke781>wtf....that honestly didnt help me at all....i have no idea how to open grub as it says from the grub manual 15.2 How to install GRUB via grub
14:56<sasuke781>"via grub"
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15:00<picknick>sasuke781: If your menu.lst is empty, U can do it manually...
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15:01<sasuke781>i dont even know that im in the right /boot
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15:01<sasuke781>i dont know how to check for it =[
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15:02<sasuke781>help me get this to boot and ill leave you all alone
15:03<louen>sasuke781: try a Rasengan in the computer ? :p
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15:03<louen>non, I think "install grub via grub" means with a live-cd or something
15:03<louen>there are some bootable media with grub
15:03<sasuke781>oh haha thats funny -_-
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15:05<sasuke781>alright....look im using knoppix using root@knoppix...soo just give me the commands i need to fix it?
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15:05<louen>what do you want to fix ,
15:06<sasuke781>w/e needs to be so it will boot
15:06<sasuke781>grub i guess
15:06<sasuke781> me fix grub
15:06<dethray>Installed on your drive?
15:06<sasuke781> /dev/hda1
15:06<dethray>config is in you /boot/grub dir
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15:07<picknick>But it should be possible to invoke 'sudo grub-install' inside Knoppix to boot that Debian too (if the menu.lst is ok)
15:07<sasuke781>config is in /boot
15:07<louen>so yout config is f**ked
15:08<sasuke781>tell me something i dont know....this is all how debian did it
15:08<sasuke781>everything is default
15:08<sasuke781>i just clicked continue a lot
15:09<sasuke781>expertgui was the only thing i could get to work right
15:09<sasuke781>but anyway
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15:09<sasuke781>should i move the config files to /grub?
15:09<erKURITA>you shouldn't have gone "Continue" all the way
15:09<erKURITA>is it a fresh install ?
15:09<sasuke781>-_- well i did
15:10<sasuke781>i chose options along the partitioning...i wrote the changes to the disj
15:10<erKURITA>re-install again, but this time, either manually set the partitions and configure grub to boot from the root partition, or guided partition it and use grub on the MBR
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15:10<sasuke781>i did that before
15:11<erKURITA>did you manually set the partitions?
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15:11<sasuke781>no....i went manual and it like....jumped to the end of the partitions menu
15:11<erKURITA>you may have erred there
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15:12<sasuke781>theres gotta be a way to fix this
15:12<sasuke781>install takes me like 4 hours
15:12<sasuke781>or more
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15:12<dethray>why not ubuntu?
15:13<sasuke781>because i hear a lot about how ubuntu support chats suck
15:13<erKURITA>dethray shush
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15:13<erKURITA>sasuke781 4 hours?
15:13<erKURITA>what CPU have you got?
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15:13<sasuke781>intel celeron D 3.2 GHz
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15:14<erKURITA>and it take 4 hours? you're kidding
15:14<caffn>4 hours? OMG..
15:14<sasuke781>YES 4 hours
15:14<erKURITA>I prepared the debian for a laptop to a debconf in half an hour
15:14<sasuke781>or more
15:14<caffn>My old 350 mhz machine was faster..
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15:15<sasuke781>>=[ this isnt helping me
15:15<rostedt>how does one unlock the cache file. my aptitude upgrade seemed to hose the system, and tells me to do a "dpkg --configure -a" but when I do I get nasty stuff (See
15:15<erKURITA>sasuke781 it doesn't take that long
15:15<sasuke781>well it does for me
15:15<sasuke781>i sat here all day and did nothing but debian yesterday -_-
15:15<caffn>Perhaps with a netinstall on a 56k..
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15:16<sasuke781>it is a netinstall....but its on a 1.5 adsl
15:16<erKURITA>netinstalls doesn't use the internet at all
15:16<sasuke781>it does for me
15:16<erKURITA>it just leaves you with a bare system
15:16<erKURITA>to install stuff after
15:16<sasuke781>i watched the router when it was downloading
15:17<erKURITA>did you download the desktop manager and stuff?
15:17<sasuke781>its on port 3...and it was flashing madly
15:17<zulu>hi, I want to backup my tiger osx cd I use cdrdao read-cd but I have error:Found L-EC error at sector 1380, is there something I should know about dumping hfsplus cdrom?
15:17<erKURITA>Gnome, KDE, XFCE, you name it
15:17<sasuke781>ugh.....i picked desktop and desktop enviroment
15:17<erKURITA>that's why it took so long
15:17<erKURITA>without all that stuff, it takes 40 minutes, tops.
15:18<sasuke781>well that thats established......can you help
15:18<sasuke781>i have seriously spent 6 days on this
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15:18<sasuke781>with no fix yet
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15:18<jc>good afternoon
15:19<erKURITA>we can do three things: 1) erase the mbr and install grub on it 2) make grub load from the partition the root installation is located in 3) re-install
15:19<erKURITA>it's your call
15:19<erKURITA>did you fix your menu.lst, by the way?
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15:19<sasuke781>whatever is the easiest and fastest
15:20<sasuke781>and no...because i dont know how to check that im looking at the right /boot
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15:21<erKURITA>alright, first things first. What's on your HDD
15:21<erKURITA>as in, how many partitions, what does each partition contains
15:24<picknick>then its Gnome?
15:24<sasuke781>ok i have /dev/hda1 (it has boot), /dev/hda2, /dev/hda5
15:24<sasuke781>sytems respectfully
15:24<jc>I tried mark packets using ipp2p for load balance this packtes for a second link, but I dont have result :(
15:24<erKURITA>what does hda2 contain ?
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15:24<sasuke781>linux, extended, and linux swap/soloris
15:24<sasuke781>one sec
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15:25<erKURITA>you're missing one partition then
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15:25<sasuke781>well blame the install....i didnt do it
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15:26<sasuke781>how do i fix it
15:26<erKURITA>well, nevermind, let's do this quick
15:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
15:26<erKURITA>put the return of fdisk -l /dev/hda there
15:26<erKURITA>or if you already have a paste, give me the link
15:26<sasuke781>how...its on another computer
15:27<sasuke781>can i connect remotely?
15:27<erKURITA>you're running Knoppix under the same machine you have trouble getting it to boot, right?
15:27<sasuke781>but im talking on another computer
15:27<erKURITA>well, if both machines are connected in a LAN, you can ssh one to the other
15:27<sasuke781>this one is windows based
15:28<jc>is possible mark all p2p packets using ipp2p ?
15:28<erKURITA>sasuke781 does the other computer have internet?
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15:29<erKURITA>load a browser and paste it from there
15:29<sasuke781>yeaaa i got that
15:29<sasuke781>one second
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15:32<sasuke781>ok here
15:33<caffn> * Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted
15:33<sasuke781>i just posted it -_-
15:33<sasuke781>hold on
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15:35<erKURITA>it's the same link
15:35<sasuke781>it works
15:35<sasuke781>trust me
15:35<erKURITA>stupid www.
15:35<sasuke781>i just tried it
15:35<erKURITA>alright alright
15:36<sasuke781> doesnt like www on it apparently -_-
15:36<erKURITA>so we have the root on a primary, and a swap in an extended partition
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15:36<caffn>Looks like a default debian-table.
15:36<sasuke781>told you
15:36<erKURITA>alright then
15:36<erKURITA>mount hda1
15:37<ruoso>Hi... how do I configure exim to use a different auth for the smart host depending on the incoming mail sender?
15:37<sasuke781>its mounted
15:37<erKURITA>did you fix menu.lst?
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15:38<sasuke781>ok..if i right click and click open in file manager....ok
15:38<sasuke781>i go into boot
15:38<sasuke781>then grub
15:39<sasuke781>i dont have permission to read menu.lst
15:39<erKURITA>do it with root
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15:40<sasuke781>am i sapose to change the whole user on knoppix....cause i dont know how...on the terminal i did sudo su and im root on it
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15:41<erKURITA>I don't know Knoppix, but it's usually typing su, if you know the root password
15:41<erKURITA>or just sudo su
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15:41<sasuke781>ok then im root
15:41<sasuke781>cause thats what i did
15:42<erKURITA>whoami should tell you "root"
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15:45<sasuke781>im root
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15:45<sasuke781>but i still dont have permission to edit or even read menu.lst
15:45<erKURITA>sorry, had troubles with my batteries
15:45<erKURITA>ls -la menu.lst
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15:47<sasuke781>no such file or directory
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15:48<sasuke781> i need to like...switch to root@knoppix:/hda1 ?
15:48<erKURITA>yes, you should have done that
15:49<erKURITA>I was asking about your debian's menu.lst
15:49<sasuke781>well im sorry -_-
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15:50<sasuke781>i switched to /media/hda1
15:50<erKURITA>get the contents of that menu.lst then
15:52<sasuke781>ok...i still dont have permission
15:52<erKURITA>ls -la menu.lst
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15:53<sasuke781>when i did ls -la /boot/grub/menu.lst it said rw-r----- 1 root root 3842 todays date and then the file
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15:55<erKURITA>so you can't even cat it?
15:55<neoXite>hi, does anyone know why initramfs-tools 0.85i (included in 4.0r4) doesn't seem to contain 'scripts/local-bottom' anymore?
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15:56<neoXite>i have a custom hook script that complains about the directory not existing anymore when i try to build an initrd
15:56<erKURITA>sasuke781 cat, to view the file
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15:57<sasuke781>well that did something
15:58<sasuke781>hold on
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15:59<laurberg>does anyone have problems with fonts under X with Lenny ?
16:00<laurberg>i have just upgraded from a mixed etch/lenny system to a non-mixed lenny system
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16:00<laurberg>maybe there is some problems with my locales,utf8,X ?
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16:01<erKURITA>sasuke781 did you chroot to your debian installation?
16:02<sasuke781>to hda1
16:02<qq_>sasuke781: must be >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root ... /boot/grub/menu.lst
16:03<qq_>not >>> rw-r----- 1 root root ....
16:03<sasuke781>well idk why i got that
16:03<erKURITA>chmod it back then
16:03<erKURITA>it's the mode 644
16:04<erKURITA>chmod 644 menu.lst
16:04<erKURITA>while in /boot/grub/
16:04<erKURITA>brb, going to eat
16:07<sasuke781>it says no such file or directory when typing "chmod 644 menu.lst
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16:13<dvst>sasuke781, pwd
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16:14<laurberg>can someone help me out ?
16:14<laurberg>my X is totally unusable with no fonts showing up
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16:15<laurberg>that is Aterm is working fine, though
16:15<laurberg>but every else is broken
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16:17<lucas2>Good evening frommm Amstelveen, The Netherlands
16:17<sasuke781>idk man...i cant even boot ><
16:17<sasuke781>i cant cmod menu.lst either
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16:17<sasuke781>i cant chroot to boot/grub
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16:19<lucas2>I am running etch on a simple home server, and I would like to upgrade to lenny - just for the fun of it. Can I simply update my sources.list, and update/upgrade away?
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16:19<lucas2>Or might that action have an unwise side to it?
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16:21<qq_>hmm, server better wait for lenny became stable
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16:24<erKURITA>sasuke781 you mustn't chroot to a folder
16:24<erKURITA>you cd to a folder to change your working directory
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16:26<sasuke781>-_- my bad
16:27<include_pr>pidgin or Emesene for MSN Acc.
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16:27<erKURITA>pidgin for me
16:27<include_pr>cool. Seems faster
16:28<plugwash>lucas2 normally the advice is to read the release notes before upgrading between releases but I don't think those exist for lenny yet
16:28<sasuke781>ok i cd'd to grub and did chmod 644 menu.lst
16:28<sasuke781>it didnt say anything
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16:28<erKURITA>you can confirm the changes with ls -la menu.lst
16:28<plugwash>failing that pay attention to what apt/aptitude are planning to do and don't do it on a box you can't afford to screw up
16:28<sasuke781>i have full access
16:29<sasuke781>lets fix this thing now lol
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16:31<erKURITA>now that you've chrooted it, run this
16:32<erKURITA>grub-install --recheck /dev/hda1
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16:36<erKURITA>you forgot the space
16:37<picknick> `--recheck/dev/hda1' -> `--recheck /dev/hda1'
16:37<lucas2>plugwash: thanks for the advice!
16:41<sasuke781>thats what i got?
16:41<erKURITA>that makes no sense
16:41<qq_>that make a spamer ?!
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16:42<erKURITA> /dev/null is a node that leads to nowhere, but it should be accessible to anyone, or exist at least, unless of course, it's created and deleted on boot time
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16:42<erKURITA>you can create your own with mknd
16:42<istoc>Hey, quick question if I use a port range in iptables, (ie x:y) does that mean x>=port>=y or x>port>y?
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16:46<erKURITA>the line would be
16:46<erKURITA>mknod /dev/null c 2 2
16:46<sasuke781>i can create my i have no idea how....thats like putting a chemicals in front of me and saying make clorine
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16:47<erKURITA>I just gave you the line >_
16:47<Nemoder>istoc: I'm pretty sure it includes the given ports
16:49<istoc>Nemoder, thanks
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16:49<sasuke781>ok...sooo on line 397 i put mknod /dev/null c 2 2
16:50<erKURITA>no, just write the command on the shell and execute it
16:50<erKURITA>and chmod it to 666 after it's done
16:50<erKURITA>You've never worked with a shell, have you?
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16:54<laurberg>hello - i have a problem with my debian lenny system
16:54<laurberg>it seems like some fonts in X11 are missing ?
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16:54<laurberg>gnome and fluxbox does not show any text at all :-(
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16:54<sasuke781>file exists
16:54<laurberg>can anybody help me out ?
16:55<sasuke781>dude...i dont know....try the freenode server
16:55<sasuke781>though they will probly say google it like they did me
16:55<sasuke781>that file exists what
16:56<aetheria>laurberg, install ttf-freefont and xfonts-base ?
16:56<erKURITA>try the grub-install command once more
16:56<aetheria>also xfonts-scalable
16:56<laurberg>xfonts-base are installed, i'll just check out ttf-freefont
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16:56<renegate>i need help installing debian
16:57<renegate>i have problem with network drivers
16:57<sasuke781>it said the same thing erKURITA
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16:58<erKURITA>are you executing it as root?
16:58<erKURITA>ls -la /dev/null
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16:58<laurberg>aetheria: ttf-freefont was missing
16:58<aetheria>laurberg, yeah those ones are used by a lot of things
16:58<laurberg>aetheria: but no success showing fonts in gnome
16:59<laurberg>no text.
16:59<erKURITA>reload X
16:59<aetheria>laurberg, apt-cache search |grep font |less - see a list of many more you can install
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16:59<laurberg>erKURITA: it was reloaded.
16:59<laurberg>aetheria: mkay
16:59<aetheria>apt-cache search font |less
16:59<aetheria>restart gdm or whatever
17:00<erKURITA>grep for font aswell, because apt-cache searchs for keywords, not in the actual description
17:00<renegate>can i plz have 5 min of your time?
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17:01<sasuke781>erKURITA, crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, date /dev/null
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17:01<renegate>i downloaded the debian network installer and it can't find my ethernet card
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17:02<renegate>i have ASROCK 939N68PV-GLAN and ethernet is onboard
17:02<sasuke781>haha use the expertgui
17:02<sasuke781>i had the same problem...idk what it is
17:02<renegate>you mean i have to download enother cd?
17:03<renegate>i'm listening
17:03<sasuke781>at the boot screen instead of just pressing enter type expertgui and then press enter
17:03<sasuke781>worked for me
17:04<renegate>i'll try
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17:05<sasuke781>erKURITA, did you see that
17:05<erKURITA>yes, I'm still thinking
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17:06<renegate>sasuke your advise did't work
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17:07<laurberg>aetheria: well, it did'nt help out. I was thinking that it might be some problems with utf8 and locales ?
17:07<renegate>network hardware drivers not found
17:07<sasuke781>=\ well it worked for me...sorry
17:07<laurberg>and some gettext crap ?
17:07<renegate>any other idea for my problem?
17:08<qq_>[23:05:23] <qq_> renegate:
17:09<yareckon>hi folks, quick question about migrating users from redhat box. I'm following this guide where basically you pull out all of the non system users from the old box and cat them onto /etc/passwd on the new box... but I'm worried as redhat uses UID 500 and up for these accounts while debian uses 1000+
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17:09<yareckon>which way am I asking for more trouble, trying to add 500 to all the uids or leaving them as they were on redhat?
17:10<aetheria>laurberg, maybe rm -rf ~/.gnome* ~/.gconf* and start over?
17:11<yareckon>does debian break in some cryptic way with real users logging in with UIDs under 1000 ? Can't imagine, but I thought I should ask
17:12<yareckon>or is there a magic migration tool someone can recommend? :)
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17:13<laurberg>aetheria: i have tried with a new user
17:13<laurberg>but not text/font either
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17:20<sasuke781>erKURITA, any ideas yet?
17:21<swinchen>Hey there. I am trying to use iceweasel on lenny. I try starting from console, or icon and it does nothing. Anyone else experiencing this?
17:21<erKURITA>None. I can't find a logical, quick solution to your issue
17:21<qq_>reinstall ?
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17:22<erKURITA>qq_ that's the final option
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17:23<qq_>he lost about 24 h on this ... so is enough i tho
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17:23<valdyn>yang: but despite what that policy sais i have not seen a package use an id >= 500 yet
17:23<mordy>gah, cpu problems again :( i forgot how i fixed it the first time, but it seems to recurr after each boot
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17:23<valdyn>oh wtf
17:23<anon>Some brazilian here?!?
17:24<mordy>basically the "policy" sets itself to 600Mhz, which is the lowest frequency (1200 is the highest)
17:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:24<valdyn>mordy: where did you set that 600mhz limit?
17:24<valdyn>mordy: i know you did, or it would not be reoccurring
17:24<mordy>valdyn - i don't know, it just keeps coming back
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17:24<valdyn>mordy: /etc/default/cpufrequtils maybe
17:25<sasuke781>if your talkin about me...i have lost more then 24 hours
17:25<valdyn>mordy: or whichever cpufreq daemon you installed or if you did it really bad, /etc/rc.local
17:25<mordy>valdyn, it's cpufreqd, and the config file is untouched (looking at it now)
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17:26<valdyn>mordy: purge it, you dont need it
17:26<mordy>valdyn - i had problems without it, the CPU remained at 600 - that's why i got it in the first place
17:26<valdyn>mordy: it doesnt sit there at 600 by default, you did something
17:27<mordy>valdyn, i don't recall doing anything. nevertheless, what/where can i find it?
17:27<valdyn>mordy: i already told you
17:28<mordy>nope, nothing in rc.local either
17:29<valdyn>mordy: you can try upping the limit in /etc/rc.local and see what that gives
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17:29<valdyn>mordy: or configure the tool of you choice to up that limit
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17:29<mordy>what do i put there? it's a pretty empty file
17:29<valdyn>mordy: the same i told you few days ago
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17:31<mordy>gah, i just forgot the path :(
17:31<valdyn>mordy: use your skills, i dont know it either
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17:32<valdyn>mordy: ( and i didnt know before i told you either )
17:32<qq_>mordy: use your (chat) log to learn , not reasquing again and again same things
17:32<valdyn>mordy: find /sys -name cpu
17:32<mordy>qq_ - i usually write things i think i'll need again in a file. i just didnt' think i'd ever need to do this again
17:33<mordy>ahh.. in /sys - i was looking in /proc
17:35<mordy>hmm.. so i "cat /sys/~/cpuinfo_max_freq > /sys/~/scaling_max_freq"? put that line into rc.local?
17:35<valdyn>mordy: yes
17:35<valdyn>mordy: im not saying that this will fix anything
17:36<valdyn>mordy: but if it does not then you will know that the offending stuff is run after rc.local
17:36<mordy>valdyn, it helps - it's messy but it should help if it runs that script on startup
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17:39<mordy>well, hope that woeks
17:39<mordy>not woes, works ;)
17:40<mordy>yeah, i installed the debian-reference package. i started reading it, but then i upgraded to lenny and i see a different manual :(
17:41<mordy>i wonder if there's a big difference between the two
17:41<istoc>Does anyone know if theres a way to give a program a default x window to go to when opened?
17:41<valdyn>istoc: whats an x window?
17:42<istoc>Screen I mean
17:42<valdyn>i think he means virtual desktop
17:42<valdyn>but who knows
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17:42<istoc>Yea, Im not too keen on the terminology
17:42<mordy>i think he means a physical (or virtual) screen, like :0, :1, etc.
17:43<mordy>i think it's something like <command> :<screen>, but not sure
17:43<valdyn>or maybe hes using xinerama
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17:43<istoc>Im using fluxbox
17:44<mordy>hehe, unfortunately i won't be able to use xinerama, as my laptop panel is punched out and now physically removed :D
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17:44<mordy>i'm running a whole system on something that's lighter than your average keyboard. but it looks just like a keyboard
17:45<istoc>Looked it up it in the fluxbox config, the term Im refering to is the "workspace"
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17:46<istoc>I'd like things to start in different places so I can have everything run at once, instead of waiting for apps to start then switching workspaces and starting more apps
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17:47<istoc>Have any of you managed to do something similar?
17:48<aetheria>laurberg, did you apt-get install xorg ?
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17:48<qq_>istoc: you mean parallel start ?
17:48<aetheria>laurberg, and, as i said, you should restart gdm
17:49<istoc>Well, I could start everything in paralell but everything would be in the same workspace
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17:50<anon>HI... what the -m tcp means on ->> "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT"
17:50<laurberg>aetheria: gdm is not running
17:50<laurberg>aetheria: and i have restarted X many times now :)
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17:51<laurberg>aetheria: i think there went something wrong with my mixed etch/lenny system
17:51<laurberg>and the apt-get dist-upgrade to lenny did not help.
17:51<laurberg>so, now - i am purging gnome/fonts/xorg/whatever.
17:52<istoc>anon, it means accept tcp packets to port 80
17:52<istoc>its prolly for an http server
17:52<laurberg>locale does say something like: "locale: cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory"
17:53<anon>istoc , humm, but isn´t "-p tcp" who said that?
17:54<istoc>I think the m flag is for the additional module
17:54<istoc>I think you need it for the --dport option
17:55<anon>istoc , ok.. "iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT" , is good a put this also for port 80?
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17:56<istoc>I think http is tcp only, not too sure about it though. Best idea would be to just test things youre unsure of
17:57<qq_>info iptables say about "-m"
17:59<istoc>Is the PORT ftp command only used in active connections or passive ones too?
17:59<anon>what the UDP means?
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18:00<qq_> UDP User Data Protocol
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18:02<anon>qq_ , is it good for port 80?
18:02<qq_>not nedded
18:03<qq_>not needed*
18:04<qq_>80 is for a webserver , like apache . so tcp is ok
18:04<anon>qq_ , thx ;)
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18:09<anon>qq_ what´s the newest iptables version?
18:10<qq_>apt-cache policy iptables
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18:12<sasuke781>is there a debian dev in here by any chance?
18:13<sasuke781>btw guys...thanks for the help...but im not going to reinstall for 1 reason...a good one at that....i have reinstalled 5 times...if it didnt work the last 5 its not going to on the 6th
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18:15<sasuke781>so no devs?
18:15<pelmon>if i compile from soure how can i remove the application later?
18:16<pelmon>can i?
18:17<qq_>sasuke781: try explain your issues in debian-installer list
18:18<sasuke781>the what
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18:18<sasuke781>you want me to list all the problems i have had...or just the current
18:19<qq_>is up to you
18:21<sasuke781>well imo i tihnk this thing needs a little more work before they just update some files
18:22<sasuke781>whenever that happens
18:22<sasuke781>cause i have yet to get into debian....idk wtf is wrong with my install....its not my hardware, its the installer...obviously
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18:23<qq_>telling here is useless , so use a apropriate list
18:23<sasuke781>and btw erKURITA
18:23<sasuke781>its useless anyway....i seriously doubt that debian listens to its members
18:23<erKURITA>we've got our lives
18:23<erKURITA>and no chance of finding a dev in this channel
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18:24<erKURITA>they flee from these kind of channels
18:24<sasuke781>where can i find one
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18:24<erKURITA>mailing lists
18:24<chealer>sasuke781: yes, there is a dev
18:24<sasuke781>if anyone can tell me in one straight answer....they could
18:24<sasuke781>are you?
18:24<erKURITA>there are devs in this network, but you must search them
18:25<sasuke781>how do you search for a debian dev
18:25<sasuke781>this isnt myspace
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18:25<erKURITA>again, mailing lists
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18:29<sasuke781>is it really this hard to fix a boot problem with debian...i i the only one to have had this problem...
18:30<sasuke781>thats a serious question
18:30<erKURITA>I had to do it around 8 times the first time I tried to get Debian worked
18:30<erKURITA>and it was back in Sarge, with no nifty gui
18:31<sasuke781>why...obviously thats saying that something needs to be fixed right?
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18:31<sasuke781>before updates
18:31<erKURITA>Sarge is already oldstable
18:31<erKURITA>It has nothing to do with Etch
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18:32<sasuke781>so is the version im its labeled
18:32<sasuke781>which...obviously its not
18:32<sasuke781>if you have to do it 5 times like i have
18:33<qq_>what is your hardware ?
18:33<qq_>a newone ?
18:33<qq_>laptop ?
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18:33<qq_>type ?
18:33<sasuke781>biostar P4M800 Pro-M7 version 1.2
18:34<qq_>via , msi ?
18:34<sasuke781>via based
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18:35<qq_>laptop ?
18:35<qq_>your ram is ok ?
18:35<qq_>done a memtest ?
18:36<sasuke781>-_- i know its not the mem...i just took this board out of a windows machine
18:37<sasuke781>that was running like a champ
18:37<qq_>wich board ?
18:37<sasuke781>the one im using....
18:37<sasuke781>for debian
18:38<qq_>i 'm tolking about the memory ?
18:38<qq_>not the board
18:38<sasuke781>yea i took everything out and now im using it all for debian
18:38<sasuke781>mem, board, cpu
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18:40<qq_>are you sure that all that pasts are really good integrated in the new via MB
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18:40<sasuke781>this isnt a new board
18:40<sasuke781>ok try to imagine this
18:41<sasuke781>the board im using for debian was in my main, i bought all new stuff for the main and took the old out to be used for a server
18:41<qq_>why took everything out ?
18:41<sasuke781>to update it
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18:41<sasuke781>newer hardware
18:42<sasuke781>everything was working fine on windows...perfect actually
18:42<sasuke781>on debian it is too
18:42<sasuke781>but the installer messed up the boot stuff
18:42<qq_>what are you than changed ?
18:43<qq_>hardware i means
18:43<sasuke781>im using all integrated hardware
18:44<qq_>00:42:19] <qq_> what are you than changed ?
18:44<sasuke781>i dont understand
18:44<sasuke781>what are you asking me
18:45<qq_>you have sad you done a 00:41:11] <sasuke781> newer hardware
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18:45<abrotman>what's wrong with the system ?
18:45<sasuke781>newer hardware for my main
18:46<sasuke781>there is nothing wrong with my hardware
18:46<sasuke781>at all
18:46<abrotman>wasn't what i asked
18:46<sasuke781>ok theres your answer.....
18:46<abrotman>no .. what's wrong with the system
18:46<abrotman>the whole thing
18:46<sasuke781>it wont boot
18:46<sasuke781>at all
18:47<abrotman>but the installer found your disks? and grub is there?
18:47<sasuke781>and im obviously very frustrated and i would love to get this done
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18:47<abrotman>is there another OS on the system ?
18:48<sasuke781>yea yes and no
18:48<sasuke781>single boot
18:48<qq_>so reinstall win on , to test that "newer hardware"
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18:48<sasuke781>the newer hardware is in my main
18:48<abrotman>sasuke781: so how far does it get when it boots?
18:48<sasuke781>it doesnt
18:49<sasuke781>"disk boot failure"
18:49<laurberg>after a complete purge of x, gnome and friends - and then with a tasksel on "desktop environment" - text-rendering in gnome is still broken
18:49<abrotman>says the BIOS or the OS ?
18:49<sasuke781>it doesnt even see debian as being bootable....but the partition for debian is set to boot
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18:50<sasuke781>the bios
18:50<abrotman>tried the install again ?
18:50<sasuke781>5 times
18:51<sasuke781>rescue doesnt even work so dont suggest it
18:51<laurberg>has anyone else problem with X and font rendering in Debian Lenny ?
18:51<abrotman>jmicron ?
18:51<abrotman>laurberg: i have lenny+gnome .. i'm not really a fonts person, but it looks fine to me
18:51<sasuke781>what is jmicron
18:52<abrotman>sasuke781: a certain kind of controller
18:52<abrotman>how old is the MB ?
18:52<sasuke781>everything is via or realtek
18:52<qq_> the bios >>>so hardware failure
18:53<sasuke781>NO its not hardware....if debian isnt seen its not going to boot
18:53<abrotman>or failed grub install
18:53<sasuke781>thats what it is
18:53<sasuke781>grub is all messed up
18:53<laurberg>abrotman: bugger
18:53<laurberg>i dont get it.
18:53<abrotman>laurberg: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm ?
18:53<sasuke781>and erKURITA tried and failed to help...they ran out of ideas...
18:54<sasuke781>we tried to recheck grub
18:54<abrotman>when you run the install you could try lilo
18:54<laurberg>abrotman: are okay.
18:54<abrotman>i believe the lenny installer still has the ability
18:54<abrotman>that said .. i'd install grub2 anyways
18:54<laurberg>abrotman: but no text
18:54<abrotman>no text at all?
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18:54<laurberg>no text at all!
18:55<laurberg>xterm and aterm does show text though
18:55<laurberg>but gnome is fucked.
18:55<abrotman>just not on gtk menus ?
18:55<sasuke781>wtf...another bootloaded
18:55<laurberg>and dialogs
18:55<abrotman>sasuke781: you don't like that idea ?
18:55<laurberg>no where :)
18:55<abrotman>oh .. grub2 is the replacement for grub .. eventually
18:55<abrotman>i'm using it here .. works fine
18:55<abrotman>anyways .
18:56<sasuke781>no not really...since i have tried to install 5 times....pretty sure that a 6th wont help
18:56<abrotman>i think the installer gives you the ability to install lilo
18:56<sasuke781>yes it does
18:56<abrotman>care to give it a whirl?
18:56<sasuke781>whats the diff?
18:56<sasuke781>and whats the point of these boot loaders anyway?
18:57<abrotman>to boot the OS?
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18:57<laurberg>oh well, if font rendering is SO br0ken in lenny, i'm going to install ubuntu :-(
18:57<laurberg>that sucks.
18:57<abrotman>laurberg: did you try a new user ?
18:57<abrotman>laurberg: or something like fluxbox ?
18:57<laurberg>and xfce
18:57<abrotman>all the same?
18:57<abrotman>just gnome?
18:58<laurberg>all the same
18:58<laurberg>not font rendering
18:58<abrotman>checked the X log for font errors?
18:58<laurberg>no font errors
18:58<sasuke781> why is there also an option of not installing a boot loader?
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18:58<abrotman>sasuke781: you might have another bootloader configured from another OS
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18:59<abrotman>i'm saying it's a possibility
18:59<sasuke781>this is a brand new hard drive....well when i started
18:59<stevecotton>or you might want to leave the boot sector for Windows and use a floppy every time to boot Linux.
18:59<sasuke781>i dont want windows on it
18:59<sasuke781>thats why i only want linux
18:59<sasuke781>its going to be my server
18:59<abrotman>sasuke781: so try the install .. try lilo
19:00<abrotman>erm .. install again
19:00<sasuke781>for the 6th time know it takes me 4 hours to install?
19:00<abrotman>no it doesn't
19:00<abrotman>just use the netinst as your only source
19:00<sasuke781>keyword me
19:00<abrotman>don't use an http source
19:01<abrotman>you can add that later and update/upgrade later
19:01<qq_>sorry saapas
19:01<abrotman>erKURITA: you can just talk in here .. don't notice me
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19:01<abrotman>and he doesn't need to install a window manager just to try the bootloader
19:02<sasuke781> this is hard enough...i wanna finish in one sweap
19:02<abrotman>i'd try lilo
19:02<abrotman>use the netinst as your only install media
19:02<abrotman>shouldn't take more than 15 minutes
19:02<sasuke781>yea but is there not a way to remove GRUB and istall lilo?
19:03<abrotman>probably from the rescue mode i'd guess
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19:04<sasuke781>rescue doesnt even work
19:04<sasuke781>it fails more then the regualr isntall
19:04<qq_>so reinstall
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19:04<abrotman>and give it lilo
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19:08<Ouro>why so many updates recently, is it due to r4?
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19:08<Ouro>also, the download links are broken here:
19:09<abrotman>yes they are
19:10<enrique>is there a way to run 2 different SELECT statements in one single line where their results will be concatenated?
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19:10<erKURITA>enrique , please, that better not be an eAthena scripting-related question
19:11<erKURITA>thank goodness
19:11<enrique>this is php related
19:11<enrique>Im returning a fetch
19:11<erKURITA>use union
19:11<enrique>I dont think UNION works for me
19:11<enrique>not in this case
19:11<erKURITA>the result set contains different columns on each select, right?
19:11<enrique>these are the queries Im trying to run
19:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:12<enrique>one second let me paste it
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19:12<abrotman>enrique: yes .. ask #sql on
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19:14<abrotman>totally not going to work
19:14<erKURITA>you want to know the number of rows found?
19:14<erKURITA>it's a php function
19:14<abrotman>or whatever DB it is
19:15<abrotman>most(all?) have a num_rows
19:15<enrique>Im paginating (therefor Im using a LIMIT), but I need to know how many records matched my WHERE
19:15<erKURITA>it'll either be 10 or less
19:15<abrotman>there is no WHERE
19:15*abrotman is still going with asking #sql
19:16<enrique>I know that was just an example
19:16<enrique>the thing is
19:16<erKURITA>then you need to remove the limit, otherwise mysql_num_rows() will just return 10 or less. You can limit it on the PHP side, if you want to use mysql_num_rows()
19:16<Ouro>abrotman: he is just trying to see how many links between his sql query and kevin bacon
19:16<enrique>the query is dynamically been created by PHP and the functions i returning a fetch
19:17<enrique>no sorry
19:17<enrique>not a fecth
19:17<enrique>but the result of mysql_query
19:17<abrotman>enrique: your questions are far better suited for ##php and #sql on freenode
19:17<enrique>ok thanks
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19:19<erKURITA>1 HOURS!?
19:20<erKURITA>Shitty torrents
19:20<qq_>for ?
19:20<erKURITA>A Sabayon ISO
19:20<qq_>the lite ?
19:20<erKURITA>A LiveCD
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19:21<qq_>so , still exist Sabayon
19:21<erKURITA>Latest, the one I've got is too old
19:21<erKURITA>Yeah, afaik
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19:22<Ouro>what is sabayon? another pretty X distro?
19:22<erKURITA>It's a Gentoo-based distro
19:22<qq_>google for
19:22<Ouro>i am looking at their page
19:22<erKURITA>with enabled by-default Compiz
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19:23<Ouro>oh well, time to go install solaris *gasp*
19:23<Ouro>wish me luck and all that
19:23<erKURITA>just give me that SPARC
19:24<Ouro>no, for x86
19:24<erKURITA>oh snap
19:24<Ouro>i am only trying it for zfs, its probably going to be a bitch
19:24<Ouro>i was hoping to do debian, but fuse+zfs doesnt look stable enough
19:24<erKURITA>I read wonders about zfs
19:25<erKURITA>I think so
19:25<erKURITA>I'll wait for a proper support w/o fuse
19:25<Ouro>you will be waiting a long time i think
19:25<erKURITA>By then we'll have an ext8
19:25<Ouro>how long between java start and gnu release? 20 years?
19:25<snogglethorpe>erKURITA: it's the most hyped filesystem on earth, so it's no wonder you've heard "wonders"
19:26<Ouro>erKURITA: freebsd might be an option, but also seems too unstable for now
19:26<erKURITA>Ouro half the time is due to licensing problems :X
19:26<Ouro>incompatibilty between free licenses is just stupid imo
19:27<erKURITA>but it's an ill need
19:28<snogglethorpe>Ouro: ... therefore ...?
19:28<Ouro>snogglethorpe: shrug, what can you do
19:28<snogglethorpe>Ouro: not much
19:29<Ouro>is there a linux-supported fs that does proper checksums like zfs? that is really all i want
19:29<Ouro>i suppose i could just use mdraid + manual sums on files, but hm
19:30<erKURITA>That'd be too crazy
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19:30<Ouro>pretty amazing that such a simple thing too so long to be implemented
19:31<abrotman>if it were that simple ...
19:31<Ouro>well, ok, there are probably some complications, but i just do no trust my hardware to report errors properly
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19:32*abrotman invites you all to #debian-offtopic to continue the converstaion
19:32<abrotman>what .. no one else?
19:33<qq_>heh, sleeping time
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19:49<kipman>Ouro you do know that all the wonder features of zfs results in a greater cpu usage?
19:50<Ouro>i am basically allocating a full core to it
19:50<kipman>you must not be on a lowly 3400+ sempron :P
19:50*abrotman points at the offtopic channel!
19:50<Ouro>i got a 4850e for this machine
19:52<kipman>does anyone have an idea why my 3d accleration would break (freezes after 10s - 5mins of 3d) after switching from big desktop (dual screen) to single screen using fglrx?
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19:54<Ouro>perhaps some memory size issue
19:54<Ouro>i just pulled that out my ass though
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19:55<erKURITA>Ouro I may alllocate a full core too
19:55<zorin>can anyone help me get dual monitor setup, have ati radeon 9600 debian etch
19:55<erKURITA>5200+ here
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19:56<Ouro>kipman: is this one of those times when you have to set something in the BIOS?
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19:59<kipman>Could be I had to change my agp cache thing to get the driver working in the first place
19:59<Ouro>yeah, that is what i was thinking
19:59<kipman>aI will go tweek it brb
19:59<erKURITA>the agpart?
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20:00<Ouro>i dont know why that would cause a freeze though, usually just garbage on the screen
20:01<erKURITA>My iPod freezes
20:01<erKURITA>when I plug it to the PC
20:01<erKURITA>sometimes, of course
20:01<erKURITA>and it's brand new
20:01<erKURITA>like, 1 week and 3 days old
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20:06<modnar>hey guys i was wondering how to root a local box
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20:07<qq_>define " how to root"
20:07<abrotman>modnar: wrong channel
20:08<qq_>oh , ok
20:08<modnar>what would the proper channel be abrotman
20:08<abrotman>no idea .. but this isn't it
20:09<modnar>i'm not lookign to crack anything
20:09<modnar>i'm working at a complex and their are thin clients running debian and i can't access the root connection
20:09<abrotman>ask the admin
20:09<modnar>i'm not doing anything illegal just need to reset 10 thin clients with out having to reinstall
20:09<modnar>I'm the admin the old admin left abruptly
20:10<naz>if they're running debian then those are some pretty thick thin clients
20:10<avu>modnar, tell your employer to give you less money then
20:11<naz>avu now now lets not be nasty
20:11<modnar>windows admin working on a machine that connect to a windows TS
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20:11<modnar>yeah i can see how i should be able to do a bunch of stuff in linux
20:11<naz>modnar do the machines have cdrom drives? can you get a live cd into them?
20:11<avu>modnar, or use google
20:11<modnar>yeah i can get into a live
20:11<modnar>avu go away
20:12<qq_>ha ?
20:12<naz>modnar if you dont know much about or trust those boxes, then you may be better off reinstalling to be sure they're in a state that you know about... you wont have to do them all, if they're identical hardware you can install one and do a drive ghost if that's easier
20:12<erKURITA>modnar the chances of you getting info on how to root a linux box are as slim as your actual chances to root it
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20:12<gef>modnar, if you want to connect to the clients remotely with the root account & you don't have the root pw, your out of luck and will need to come up with a different solution to your problem
20:13*abrotman wonders why a thin client needs to be reset
20:13<naz>gef he has physical access to them
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20:13<modnar>abrotman: one has the same host name so we get a conflict
20:13<naz>abrotman thin clients in this case are running debian, which means that they're not very thin as thin clients go... they're probably just PCs running linux
20:14<modnar>so i only need to root one
20:14<abrotman>naz: yeah .. i got that part
20:14<avu>modnar, seriously, the question on how to recover a lost root password is answered on countless websites
20:14<modnar>naz: exactly we just use them to access windows TS i'm not a fan of it but i'm not the one that spend money on the system it was in place before i got her
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20:15<naz>modnar yea... still, i think rooting a box is going to be far, far harder than just reinstalling on it
20:15<avu>naz, that's bs
20:16<avu>there are actually quite a few simple ways to do that
20:16<avu>and google finds loads of pages describing them
20:16<naz>avu ok well ifyou know a way stop giving me lip and help him
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20:16<avu>it's not 'rooting', it's recovering a machine with a lost password
20:16<avu>naz, I already did
20:16<naz>alternatively, stfu and stop making irc less useful and more painful
20:17<abrotman>naz: then help him already
20:17<naz>abrotman we've already established that i dont know how to do what he wants to do, and avu apparently does
20:17<Ouro>cant you just pop a livecd, mount the drive, and edit /etc/passwd?
20:17<avu>Ouro, /etc/passwd does not contain any passwords.
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20:18<erKURITA>avu correct
20:18<erKURITA>in that case, you'd want to change /etc/shadow aswell
20:18<avu>no you wouldn't.
20:18<abrotman>change it to what? it contains md5 passwords
20:19<avu>you don#t ever touch that file with an editor.
20:19<Ouro>abrotman: subsitute it with your own hash?
20:19<abrotman>up to him
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20:19<avu>just. use. passwd(1).
20:19<naz>abrotman cant you just hash a known password and put that in
20:19<erKURITA>like, chroot to it and change it?
20:19<avu>or boot the kernel with root=/bin/sh
20:19<Ouro>all machines use the same hash parameters, right?
20:20<abrotman>you guys are making this way too hard :)
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20:20<erKURITA>abrotman ever heard of security through obscurity?
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20:20<abrotman>Can't we like .. hook it up to the car battery .. jump it .. and then use the timed pattern of the windshield wipers to crack the password?
20:20<Ouro>erKURITA: thats why i use caesar's cipher for my passwords
20:21<themill>!win abrotman
20:21<dpkg>Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia!
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20:21<Ouro>i want that ticket right now
20:22<qq_>have to win first Ouro ;)
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20:22<abrotman>i've been there .. it's not a bad place
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20:24<kipman>still freezes with a larger agp cache almost won a warzone match before it froze
20:24<abrotman>TA! TA! TA!
20:29<Ouro>kipman: get a pcie card? heh
20:31<kipman>lol no its an x1950pro 512MB AGP
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20:32<Ouro>kipman: try with a 4870 instead :)
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20:32<snogglethorpe>Ouro: bit of power needed for that I assume ...
20:32<Ouro>kipman: have you tried making the cache smaller?
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20:33<kipman>well smaller than 256MB caused problems with 3d initialisation before and the only other setting is 256MB that was still freezing
20:34<kipman>well I know the hardware is fine as I have a windoze partition in need of a nuke
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20:35<Ouro>kipman: found this ancient post:
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20:37<kipman>ah yes I rember that bug it effected both linux and windows
20:37<kipman>showed how bad the ati testing was
20:37<Ouro>does anyone actually use 4 MB pages though?
20:37<kipman>I mean a couple of drivers with broken agp support :/
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20:38<kipman>I'm not sure as I haven't stuided memory managment of modern computers in depth, I do know they should be capable of it.
20:39<Ouro>i think most people choose the 4K option
20:39<Ouro>anyway, do you have an "agp aperture size" option?
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20:39<Ouro>or is that what you mean by cache
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20:41<kipman>yeah thats what I meant by cache
20:42<Ouro>well, then i have no idea :)
20:42<kipman>I have never found an explination for what it actualy it
20:44<Ouro>from this description, it does not seem that any possible setting should cause crashes
20:46<kipman>yeah that description is wrong or an over simplification
20:47<Ouro>i had some similar problems with a quadro card, never figured it out though
20:48<kipman>this sounds more acurate "It does not directly reserve it but instead it just sets a max of RAM to use for texture memory."
20:48<Ouro>but it did not freeze, it just got jumbled polygons in 3d games
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21:27<twb>How can I find out where each of my installed packages "came from", i.e. main, contrib or non-free?
21:29<Nemoder>twb: apt-cache policy <package>
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21:30<twb>Nemoder: preferably something that operates on all installed packages, i.e. grep-status <something>
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21:31<pelmon>hey. urgent question. i upgraded to lenny the other day. around the same time, i noticed an entry in my GRUB menu for memtest86 which had not been there before. is that supposed to be there?
21:31<Nemoder>twb: here is a script that can search: dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' | grep non-free
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21:32<Nemoder>pelmon: if you have the memtest86 package installed then yes
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21:33<twb>grep-status -nsPackage,Section -FStatus "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort | grep /
21:33<pelmon>any way to tell WHEN a package was installed?
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21:33<twb>pelmon: /var/log/{apt,dpkg,aptitude} ?
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21:37<pelmon>twb what if i use synaptic
21:38<twb>pelmon: the dpkg log should still be ther
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21:42<twb>Nemoder: disgustingly, it's easiest with aptitude: aptitude -F %s%p search ~i
21:42<twb>Or for only non-free, aptitude search -F %s%p search ~i~s^non-free/
21:43<Nemoder>I was using the script I posted awhile ago to search for any packages from the debian-multimedia repo
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21:50<pelmon>ok. anyone running kde and know how to change the scrollback settings?
21:50<abrotman>in konsole ?
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22:24<Quill0>so I've been trying to download the netinst cd image
22:24<Quill0>and the funniest thing happened
22:24<Quill0>no cd images
22:26<Quill0>anybody here?
22:27<sasuke781>i know....i guess they either dont know....or dont care
22:28<sasuke781>i emailed....
22:28<Quill0>any 4.0_r4 cd images out?
22:28<Web> is a testing
22:28<Quill0>looking for stable
22:28<abrotman>not yet
22:28<abrotman>Quill0: they're preparing them
22:29<abrotman>Quill0: WIR ?
22:29<abrotman>i don't make them .. i can't tell you
22:29<abrotman>you can get an r3 CD
22:29<Quill0>eh, I'll save myself a few headaches if I wait until r4
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22:30<Nemoder>looks like they already pulled r3 isos from the main server
22:30*Colitis can't understand pulling the previous release before putting the new release up.
22:30<abrotman>the mirrors had them eariler
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22:33<Quill0>they could've always left a notification why they pulled r3 isos off
22:35<abrotman>check mirrors .. you can still get them
22:36<Quill0>but I think I'll wait
22:36<Quill0>I'll dist-upgrade my server instead
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22:39<coondog>is there such a thing as a cd bootloader
22:39<coondog>to load an iso of a usb stick
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22:40<Nemoder>coondog: this might work:
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22:43<coondog>IDK if that will work
22:43<coondog>I want to boot a USB stick using a cdrom drive
22:44<coondog>some comps don't have BIOS for usb booting
22:44<Nemoder>I've used it to boot a cdrom from a floppy drive on old machines, don't know how well it works with usb though
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22:52<seeker100>any suggestions on how to move directories and files to /var/www from my desktop without going through root terminal
22:52<abrotman>seeker100: don't do that
22:52<abrotman>you already got an answer
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22:53<abrotman>and if you hadn't quit the other network so quickly .. someone typed a very comprehensive answer on top of the one you were already given
22:53<seeker100>abrotman: what was my answer change permissions drag and drop and then change them back?
22:53<seeker100>ok thanks.
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23:01<dpkg>somebody said dovecot was an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir., or #dovecot @
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23:08<magyar__>hi, trying to launch iceweasel, but have no luck. How can i troubleshoot this issue?
23:09<aetheria>strace -s 128 -o /tmp/strace.out iceweasel
23:09<aetheria>then especially look at the bottom of the outfile
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23:13<debian_etch>Hola alguien que hable español
23:13<magyar__>aetheria: thanks, found the issue. Permission to .firefox directory
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23:17<AndyML>anyone know why the mirrors don't seem to have the cd image(s) tonight?
23:17<winford>debian_etch: #debian-es ?
23:20<twb>!tell debian_etch -about es
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23:23<AndyML>I'm pretty confused. I just wanted to download the etch netinst but can't find it on any of the mirrors...
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23:24<gsimmons>AndyML: The 4.0r4 installation media is still being prepared. Media for the previous stable point release (4.0r3) has been moved to
23:25<AndyML>gsimmons: thank you - i dug all around looking for it - in fact, I thought I looked in 4.0_r3, but there it is clear as day. thanks for your help.
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23:37<pelmon>so... what does it mean if i upgraded to lenny, but i'm still using my old kernel?
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23:39<etbe>According to "apt-cache policy" and the results of "apt-get dist-upgrade", the contents of my /etc/apt/preferences file are being mostly ignored. Here is an entry that is ignored: Package: *
23:39<etbe>Pin: release a=etch
23:39<etbe>Pin-Priority: 700
23:39<etbe>I've been reading this document:
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23:43<sasuke781>so the lilo boot loader didnt work either
23:45<sasuke781>anyone got any other ideas....cause quite franky im tired of wasting my time.....i need a solution to my boot problem
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23:45<sasuke781>someone has to know how to fix this
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23:49<twb>etbe: did you try echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
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23:49<twb>etbe: that works for me (pinning didn't) to default to Lenny for my Lenny/Sid hybrid (but with "testing" instead of "stable").
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23:51<twb>etbe: I got as far as working out that pinning doesn't understand that "etch" = "stable" and similar; I started having success with making *everything* refer to "stable" instead of "etch" before I gave up on pinning.
23:54<pelmon_>what's the simplist way to recompile my kernel?
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23:58<dpkg>make-kpkg is, like, the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
23:59<twb>!tell pelmon_ about kernel compile
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