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---Logopened Wed Jul 30 00:00:02 2008
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00:00<newlnx>cool, I have two pc's with Debian etch installed on both of them I configured my network cards with a static Ip No one is the other I connected them with ethernet cable when I ping each other I get host destination unreachable?
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00:01<qq>need to use a switch , or a cross net cable
00:01<qq> switch/hub
00:01<newlnx>cross over cable yes ok
00:02<chaoticmass>I've got a Quad Xeon system that won't boot from my Debian Etch Netinst CD. It boots to the splash scren, but once it loads the kernel it reboots. I also tried Ubuntu with similar results. I tested Win XP and it boots fine (so probably not defective HW). Any ideas!? Thanks :)
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00:02<newlnx>what I'm confused about is Ubuntu has a desktop edition and a server edition!
00:03<Lounge>chaoticmass: what version? i386?
00:03<qq>never mind , ping must work
00:03<chaoticmass>Lounge : Yeah I'm using a i386 CD
00:03<qq>on all machines
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00:04<qq>newlnx: ^^^^
00:04<Lounge>chaoticmass: try the server addition instead as quad Xeon is (server)
00:04<Lounge>not sure if that'll help
00:04<chaoticmass>Lounge: Debian has a server edition ??
00:05<Lounge>chaoticmass: i know ubuntu has one
00:05<newlnx>ubuntu has 8.04 server edition yes
00:06<newlnx>qq when you said ping must work with cross over cable or even with normail?
00:06<Lounge>seems that 1386 is not yet able to handle a four core cpu yet maybe
00:06<qq>newlnx: on both cases
00:07<newlnx>on normal I get destination hos unreachable I can see the other pc
00:07<newlnx>host I meant
00:07<chaoticmass>Lounge : got a source for that fact or is that just speculation?
00:07<qq>newlnx: chech your cable/ change
00:08<Lounge>no i'm just guessing so no quoting on it all
00:08<newlnx>I have tried 3 cables and I know they're working ok
00:08<qq>maybe are not croos over
00:09<Lounge>thing about server edition is it doesn't a desktop to it - would need to dl that after install i think
00:09<qq>newlnx: [06:00:47] <qq> need to use a switch /hub than
00:09<newlnx>so either connect the pcs via switch hub or directly via cross over cable
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00:10<qq>just do a try
00:10<ozatomic>Hye i have resently changed my namservers in /etc/resolve.conf but my net admin keeps saying its still using the old nameservers is there anyway to check why??
00:10<newlnx>ok I'll do try on switch first and see how I go
00:11<ozatomic>yeah that one :P
00:12<newlnx>Ok thanx guy, thanks qq
00:12<newlnx>guys my spelling really working 2day :)
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00:13<ozatomic>so is there any way to check my my server is still using teh old nameservers?
00:13<ozatomic>my my = why my
00:14<vook>ozatomic: your net-admin may not be correct. If you are using dhcp, changes to resolv.conf will be adjusted accordingly.
00:14<ozatomic>static not dhcp
00:14<ozatomic>i had to change them int eh reolv.conf myself
00:14<qq>ozatomic: why ??
00:14<ozatomic>why what?
00:15<qq>use dhcp , and be happy
00:15<vook>beyond your net-admins word, what reason do you have to believe it isn't using /etc/resolv.conf ?
00:15<ozatomic>well he keeps seeing hits on the logs saying tis requesting information
00:15<ozatomic>qq: and its dhcp ebcasue the net-admin is a wanker
00:15<ozatomic>its not*
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00:17<vook>ozatomic: you can start a packet sniffer on your end to see what dns server is hit (such as wireshark).
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00:17<ozatomic>can i just use tcpdump?
00:17<ozatomic>ot will that not work?
00:17<qq>why not ?
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00:18<ozatomic>i'm jstu asking
00:18<qq>better try first
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00:19<vook>that should be fine.
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00:20<ozatomic>using dcpdump what could you tell me the string to use to grab on nameserver queries?
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00:21<qq>man tcpdump
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00:21<ozatomic>thanks qq :P QQ
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00:22<vook>you can also grep the dns servers address.
00:23<ozatomic>yeah thats what i ended up doing
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00:35<wcr2007>hi, everyone. Is the kernel option CONFIG_M686=y compatiable with AMD Phenom 8450? Thanks
00:40<ozatomic>my netadmin is talking shit i see no requests to the old sevrer grrr
00:41<ozatomic>fucking ms users
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00:42<_vook>ozatomic: s*t /sillyness/ f*k /silly/
00:44<tehfunk>Hey all, a Intel Pentium M is a Intel-IA-64 right?
00:45<tehfunk>nevermind, saw the auto pick
00:45<tehfunk>i think
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00:46<_vook>pentium-m's are 32-bit proc's
00:46<tehfunk>alright, im trying to get the correct install
00:47<Lounge>got a question about superblocks and luks encrypted volume - could a hacker find these superblocks within the entropy and crack volume image?
00:48<MrNaz>ok so i'm an idiot: i installed a opteron box (amd64 arch cpus) using a i386 CD. is it now possible to change the repos and do a dist-upgrade, or is it safer to re-install from scratch ?
00:49<qq>is it safer to rest on 32-bit
00:49<MrNaz>qq i really do need 64bit as i have 4gb of ram, and the machine probably needs to be upgraded to 8 within a few months
00:50<MrNaz>it's also a dual CPU machine, so i need a smp kernel anyway
00:50<qq>so re-install from scratch
00:50<MrNaz>that'll take ages
00:50<MrNaz>thanks :)
00:50<qq>1 h
00:50<chaoticmass>freealan: Debian Etch installer not booting on Quad Xeon machine-- Debian Sarge netinst works. . . Something must've broken from 2.4 kernel to 2.6 kernel
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00:52<tehfunk>Damnit, I cant find the distro to begin with on my Pentium M, because its 32bit, that mean no install?
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00:52<qq>Xeon is amd64 or ia-64 ?
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00:53<freealan>chaoticmass: maybe y can try weekly build
00:53*_vook recommends jigdo
00:53<Lounge>isn't xeon from intel?
00:54<MrNaz>qq i dont know... im running opterons
00:55<Lounge>well somewhere i read that 64bit ->intel* will require the amd64 kernel version
00:55<Lounge>*so i read*
00:55<tehfunk>anyone know which install that would work for me? pentium m?
00:55<tehfunk>if I can even install:?
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00:56<Lounge>tehfunk: that's a single core right? then it should be just "386" or x86
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00:56<_vook>tehfunk: try making a jigdo cd
00:57<tehfunk>I got no CD drive, so I think i will have to use USB
00:57<tehfunk>i386 ill go for then
00:58<Lounge>tehfunk: usb thumb or optical drive?
00:58<tehfunk>USB thumbdrive
00:58<tehfunk>the laptop I want to install it on doesnt have an optical drive
00:58<tehfunk>Thinkpad x40
00:58<tehfunk>duel boot
00:58<foxjazz>where is the ubuntu channel
00:59<_vook>tehfunk: are you going for lenny or etch?
00:59<gsimmons>foxjazz: #ubuntu @
00:59<tehfunk>im not sure lol
00:59<Lounge>there's a debian installer designed for usb thumbdrives
00:59<tehfunk>thats what im gonna need
01:00<foxjazz>so where can I go to do code?
01:01<Lounge>tehfunk: <---start here
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01:01<Lounge>might that help maybe?
01:01<tehfunk>gotcha, that will help thanks
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01:14<newlnx>Hey qq, it worked on switch hub I tried it
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01:20<bleh>Hi guys i installed nvidia but when i reboot my x server does not run any idea i used the installer.
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01:20<bleh>It runs when i use the installer, but after reboot it doesnt run again.
01:21<tehfunk>im getting ready to just install ubuntu because of easier install with a thumbdrive :/
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01:25<jm_>don't use nvidia installer
01:26<_vook>bleh: use --help after the file. Then choose the -a (accept) and the option that just extracts the files.
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01:47<ozatomic>to run a program int eh background while i logoff all i need to do is put & at the end of the command correct?
01:47<ozatomic>how would you do it?
01:48<ozatomic>nm i've figuered out a way
01:48<jm_>you need to detach it from the shell
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01:51<jm_>you can use nohup for this, or use disown, or screen
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02:03<TLSpartan>whenever i try to remove the gnome-games it wants to remove gnome
02:03<TLSpartan>is there a way around that so it doesn't remove gnome?
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02:08<jm_>TLSpartan: gnome is a meta-package depending on gnome, so no
02:08<jm_>uhm on gnome-games
02:08<TLSpartan>thanks jm_
02:10<jm_>TLSpartan: does it want to remove all the other packages gnome depends on or just gnome? if it's the latter then you can safely proceed
02:10<jm_>or do it this way:
02:10<jm_>!install gnome
02:10<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
02:10<TLSpartan>just gnome
02:11<TLSpartan>worked great (removed abiword)
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04:14<dytek>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ntfs-3g:
04:14<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, dytek
04:14<dytek> ntfs-3g depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however:
04:14<dytek> Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7.
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04:14<jm_>don't install packages for > etch on etch
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04:15<dytek>i'd like to be able to access ntfs on etch
04:15<caffn>Upgrade to lenny :)
04:16<jason__>I'm trying to set up a postfix mailserver on my friend's server. Never done it before. I originally installed postfix, dovecot-pop3d, dovecot-imapd and learned my way through the configuration. When it was done, it wasn't working, so I apt-get purged postfix and dovecot to get a fresh start with my knew knowledge. But now, I can't reinstall dovecot because of libldap2. It's a borken package and if I try to install it, apache2, apt, mplaye
04:16<jason__>dovecot-common: Depends: libldap2 (>=2.1.17-1) but it is not going to be installed
04:16<dytek>i know there is ntfs support on etch
04:16<jason__>cat /etc/debian_version: lenny/sid
04:16<jm_>you can find it on backports then
04:17<caffn>dytek, First hit on google.
04:17<jason__>After I did the purge, apt found a bunch of broken dependencies and ended up downgrading perl from 5.10.x to 5.8.8
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04:17<dytek>i read that paper
04:17<jason__>What should I do to track this down?
04:17<dytek>it failed miserably
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04:18<caffn>Else use the backports :
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04:18<caffn>Seems like it's depending on a lower libc6 version then you have.
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04:19<dytek>yeah. i
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04:19<dytek>*i'm grabbing it now. can i just add backports to my sources.list?
04:19<dytek>or would i not want to do that?
04:19<jm_>you have my permission
04:19<caffn>Should not give you any trouble
04:20<caffn>Since you need an additional command to install from backports
04:20<jason__>sources.list has etch repos enabled instead of lenny. don't know if that's important
04:20<jason__>jason@box:~$ uname -osrvm
04:20<jason__>Linux 2.6.18-xen #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 06:40:50 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:21<caffn>jason__, better enable the lenny repo then ;)
04:22<jason__>I tried. Didn't help
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04:24<jason__>Any thoughts as to helpful information I can gather?
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04:25<jason__>I don't remember exactly, I could have purged amavisd-new and libclass-dbi-mysql-perl as well
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04:27<panv>please, my vim is taking so much time to start if i start it with my user. but when i use su to start it... it starts very fast..
04:27<jason__>But they and all of the other crap that goes with a postfix server reinstalled jsut fine
04:27<panv>what can i do />?
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04:27<jm_>panv: try to get .vimrc out of the way, try using -X switch
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04:31<maross>Hi all, is it possible to migrate a debian 32bit server to 64bit without installing the maschine from scatch?
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04:34<jm_>maross: read the FAQ to find out
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04:36<panv>jm_, it workd.
04:36<panv>if i type vim -X it's very fast... please what's the problem >?
04:37<mlcy>Hi. I'm trying to set up a system that fits within 512MB. I installed etch stable base system, and it seemed to work, until i discovered it it did not have glibc2.4. So i installed lenny testing base system, but the kernel won't boot due to an appearantly known bug with VIA processors. I'm slightly desparate since i'm new to all this. Does anyone have an idea about what i should do? Thank you very much.
04:38<the-dude>boot the old kernel?
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04:39<jm_>mlcy: you can compile a custom kernel and use that
04:39<jm_>panv: are you doing this in X?
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04:39<panv>jm_, please, how can i fix it and not have to type every time -X ???
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04:40<mlcy>dude, jm: ok i'll give it a try.
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04:41<jm_>panv: you could create an alias
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04:44<jm_>or maybe check if "set notitle" helps
04:45<panv>i am using console jm_
04:45<panv>but in gnome
04:45<panv>i know.. but i want to solve the root of the problem
04:45<panv>i mean how can i edit the .vimrc >??
04:46<jm_>with an editor
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04:49<EmleyMoor>Not strictly a Debian related query, this, but unsure where to ask... what's the most "free software" ethical 3G phone? (if any)
04:52<Wesley>is there an easy way to patch php to have an extra header (anti spam, x-script header with location of the script) without having to manualy compile php, but keep using the apt-get option ?
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04:57<panv>jm_, i made an alias... but i don't like it...
04:57<panv>please why did this problem occur ?
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05:03<jm_>because vim contacts X server - but if you're doing this in gnome it should be fast
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05:12<pgimeno>I'm trying to install the nvidia driver but I'm getting: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Need libwfb but wfbScreenInit not found
05:13<pgimeno>I tried to install it using the Debian way. According to there should be a libwfb file somewhere but it's not there. Are the Debian packages missing this file?
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05:16<jm_>pgimeno: you need newer X server
05:16<jm_>no it is there
05:16<pgimeno>jm_: hm, from unstable perhaps?
05:16<jm_>pgimeno: indeed
05:16<pgimeno>k thanks :)
05:16<jm_>let me recall which package has the file
05:17<pgimeno>Great, I'm taking a look at it right now.
05:17<jm_>hopefully you're using m-a to build nvidia driver
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05:19<pgimeno>jm_: no, I've used the debian/rules command as indicated in
05:19<jm_>pgimeno: yeah that's OK
05:19<jm_>but that's not really needed, m-a way is easier
05:19<pgimeno>btw, there's a little glitch there, it says to run apt-cache policy kernel-image-$KVERS but it should be linux-image-$KVERS instead
05:20<pgimeno>k fine
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05:21<jm_>pgimeno: ahh that's because you are using the non m-a way which hasbn't been updated it seems ;)
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05:25<pgimeno>jm_: thanks a lot, I need to proceed with installation so I must exit X now
05:25<jm_>no worries
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05:38<bcochofel>Hi, I have a scsi disk that cfdisk doesn't give me it's size. Where can I find that info ? Under proc ?
05:38<the-dude>bcochofel: fdisk -l
05:39<padski>bcochofel, does the kernel log it when it first discovers it ?
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05:40<jm_>bcochofel: cat /proc/partitions
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05:45<bcochofel>jm_: the disk doesn't have partitions
05:45<bcochofel>jm_: can I find info about the disk geometry?
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05:48<jm_>bcochofel: it doesn't matter if it doesn't have partitions
05:48<jm_>I hate it when people assume stuff
05:50<jm_>bcochofel: also man scsiinfo
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07:08<vook>I'm wondering if anyone else's gnome-panel time widget is no longer syncronizing with time servers.
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07:26<snogglethorpe>anyone know if the famous phenom b2 stepping tlb bug is this: "L2 Eviction May Occur During Processor Operation To Set Accessed or Dirty Bit"?
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07:33<[gloom]>hi there
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07:34<[gloom]>anyone know the name of the package that provides java support for iceweasel? I have the jre package installed, but iceweasel can't run java sites, and prompts me to install the plugin
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07:36<jm_>you need jre-plugin package
07:36<jm_>java plugin even
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07:37<DarKwings>hi guys, i've a little problem with NTFS, i can't write on it, but i've compiled 2.6.26 kernel with ntfs write support, and said "rw" in /etc/fstab, what is the problem?
07:38<DarKwings>no problem with reading
07:38<jm_>don't use that, use ntfs-3g for writing
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07:38<DarKwings>i've heard that i don't need ntfs-3g anymore with kernel >2.6.22?
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07:40<vook>ntfs-3g is the safest way to write to ntfs
07:40<wayneward>anyone tried new kde 4 on debian yet?
07:40<jm_>if they have merged the ntfs driver changes then it may be quite similar, up to you then
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07:42<DarKwings>but the problem is: i can't write on it, do you know how to mount correctly my partition? here is a piece of fstab
07:42<vook>DarKwings: just change ntfs to ntfs-3g in fstab
07:42<[gloom]>jm_: thx man
07:42<DarKwings>/dev/sda7 /mnt/stockage ntfs rw,user,auto,gid=100,uid=1000,nls=utf8,umask=002 0 0
07:43<pgimeno>jm_: big thanks dude... through dangers untold and hardships unnumbered I have fought my way here to the unstable X installation where the Nvidia driver works like a charm!
07:43<DarKwings>yeah i think it's a good way but normally with new kernels we don't need ntfs3g, no?
07:43<[gloom]>DarKwings: with ntfs-3g the user must have write permission on the folder you're mounting the ntfs volume. I think it's on the man page
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07:45<DarKwings>[gloom]> Currently, i've choose ntfs, not ntfs3g, and you can see on my fstab line that i've set it to my uid, so no problem with that?
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07:47<pgimeno>just came to say thanks but I'm in a hurry so bye!
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07:47<[gloom]>DarKwings: oops, sorry. I didn't read it fine. I thought you were using ntfs-3g. I'm using it and it works like a charm. Indeed, I didn't know it had been pushed into the kernel
07:47<[gloom]>the same code, i mean
07:47<KOSKERS>Excuse me! Where are you from?
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07:48<wayneward>anyone have problem with kontact on kde4?
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07:48<jm_>try #debian-kde
07:48<[gloom]>DarKwings: If it's not the same code, i have always heard, that ntfs-3g is more reliable.
07:48<wayneward>okee cheers
07:48<vook>DarKwings: you got me. I can't write to ntfs even mounting it as root 'mount -o rw -t ntfs /dev/drive mountpoint' ??
07:49<jm_>vook: do you have ntfs write support in the kernel?
07:49<DarKwings>[gloom]> in theory, ntfs3g is now obsolet, because the ntfs kernel driver is now stable even in writing, so i want to use it
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07:50<vook>jm_: possibly not actually. I think I'm currently running a lenny stock kernel - haven't built a new one lately.
07:50<[gloom]>DarKwings: ok, first notice. I will try it in my next kernel image, thx
07:51<DarKwings>vook> In theory, if you've compiled your kernel with write support, you can, but it seem that i've done bad
07:51<DarKwings>vook> But only kernel > 2.6.22
07:51<jm_>vook: grep CONFIG_NTFS_RW /boot/config-$(uname -r)
07:52<vook>yes then, CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y
07:52<jm_>maybe one has to use ntfsmount then
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07:54<vook>jm_: ok, that works :) (ntfsprogs wasn't installed)
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07:56<eshat>HI all
07:56<eshat>did anyone try kde 4.1 ?
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07:58<[gloom]>jm_: no java plugins package on the repos are available... Any idea about what I need to provide java support to iceweasel?
07:58<jm_>[gloom]: ehh? they are available
07:58<[gloom]>jm_: which name??? I've searched the whole repo with jre, mozila, iceweasel, java, sun-java..... and can't find it
07:59<[gloom]>jm_: the java packacges are sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-bin
07:59<chealer>eshat: yes
07:59<jm_>[gloom]: sun-java6-plugin
08:00<[gloom]>mmmmmmmm, man i'm becoming old... let's see again!!!!
08:00<eshat>chealer: so how stable is it really ?
08:00<chealer>eshat: don't ask me, ask #kde
08:00<DarKwings>I've installed ntfs-3g, can't find documentation to solve my problem with the kernel driver
08:01<[gloom]>jm_: well, that's funny. This package is not in my repo:D
08:01<gsimmons>[gloom]: You'll need to add non-free sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list file. 'sun-java6-plugin' is only available for Etch as a backport.
08:01<jm_>[gloom]: which version of Debian?
08:01<jm_>he should have non-free since he sees sun-java6-jre package
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08:02<[gloom]>jm_: I'm unsing unstable! with this repo: unstable main contrib non-free
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08:02<[gloom]>jm_: and this package does not exist:D
08:02<jm_>[gloom]: it just creates a symlink anyway
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08:05<[gloom]>jm_: well, i don't know why, but this package is not actually available in my repo. Could you please tell me which is the sym link so i can make it manually? I guess the symlink will be stored in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins...
08:05<jm_>[gloom]: no, just fix it so this package will be downloaded - i.e. run apt-get update ; apt-cache policy sun-java6-plugin
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08:07<[gloom]>jm_: ran that. no difference. the package is not available.
08:08<[gloom]>jm_: I'm looking for it in the dselect, but it is symply not there...:D
08:08<jm_>[gloom]: what does apt-cache say?
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08:09<[gloom]>Installed: none, Candidate: none, version table
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08:10<jm_>sun-java6-plugin definitely is on that ftp server
08:11<jm_>[gloom]: are you perhaps running amd64 port?
08:11<[gloom]>jm_: yep. It's the amd64
08:11<jm_>[gloom]: ok that's why there is no plugin
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08:12<[gloom]>jm_: and do i have any alternative? Or I just can have java support?
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08:14<jm_>[gloom]: maybe that nspluginwrapper thing or wait till new JRE 6 release in 2009 or java 1.7
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08:16<vook>[gloom]: how necessary is a 64-bit OS for you? How much memory? etc... Some hard truths for amd64 users (a former one myself)
08:16<[gloom]>vook: more necesary than the java plugin, hehehe
08:17<[gloom]>vook: nope, just a joke
08:18<[gloom]>vook: the thing is that i've been using the 32 bits sid for some time, and I have reinstalled , and I thought to give a try to the 64 bits version... Not necesary, but i'm not going to reinstall just for the java plugin problem...
08:18<DarKwings>personally, on a personnal computer, a 32 bits OS is fast enough and don't have problems with flash, drivers....
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08:19<stevecotton>Fresh today in sid-amd64 is a package to generate amd64 ia32-* packages from the 32-bit distro.
08:20<[gloom]>DarKwings: AFAIK, it's the only problem that I have. The rest have worked without a glitch. I installed, compiled the kernel, isntalled all the desktop, apps, and even the compiz thing to show it to a friend... and I've faced no problem...
08:20<stevecotton>I had a quick poke with it, but uninstalled it afterwards (aptitude integration didn't seem right)
08:20<vook>stevecotton: java is closed source though.
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08:21<DarKwings>[gloom]> But now you face a problem, i've try 64 bits too, and i've returned to 32 bits
08:21<stevecotton>vook: it would install all the dependency libs. An old teamspeak client is why I had 32-bit libs on my system.
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08:22<DarKwings>[gloom]> Because no interesting gains with 64 bits for my computer, and more things works on 32 bits
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08:22<vook>unless you are addressing a large amount of memory ( > 4GB) 64-bit won't help.
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08:25<miksuh>vook: and you donät need 64bit distro if youw ant to address >4GB memory
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08:25<miksuh>you can also use 32bit debian and bigmem kernel
08:25<vook>miksuh: of course
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08:34<stevecotton>[gloom]: try one of the packages that provide java-virtual-machine
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08:35<jm_>stevecotton: he has that but there's no browser plugin
08:35<stevecotton>ah, ok
08:35<[gloom]>DarKwings: Yep, that's true. It's just a matter of curiosity... I mean, If want easy things, I would use a stable distro, like ubuntu, or fedora, or whatever linux. But since I chose to install sid many years ago, it's kind... I like troubles:D Even when I need to ask for some help to solve them.
08:35<jm_>yeah because debian definitely isn't stable
08:36<[gloom]>DarKwings: As soon as I get tired of the 64bits, or a problem makes it unusable for me, I will get rid of it, and will use another distro, or the same sid but 32
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08:37<[gloom]>DarKwings: hehhe, anyway, you seem angry because I asked for help related to a problem caused with a non-necessary 64-bit distro man...:D Sorry to bother you then...
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08:42<snogglethorpe>miksuh: per-process address space is a bit more tricky though...
08:42<miksuh>I'll try 64bit debian someday. Still 32bit debian here..
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08:43<DarKwings>[gloom]> No, not angry, that's just a technical discussion, i'm not angry by thing's like forums or irc just cause of technical points
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08:43<snogglethorpe>anyway, afaik, the reasons people like amd64 is for per-process address space, and more gprs available to the compiler
08:44<DarKwings>[gloom]> Personnaly, the principal reason of using 32 instead of 64 is flash plungin
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08:44<snogglethorpe>DarKwings: flash plugin works great on 64-bit
08:44<jm_>that's coming to, like java, just wait :P
08:44<jm_>too even
08:44<snogglethorpe>DarKwings: (I was quite surprised and pleased, but it does)
08:44<DarKwings>snogglethorpe: adobe has released a flash 64?
08:44<miksuh>DarKwings: and java
08:44<[gloom]>DarKwings: ok man:D flash is working fine. I can confirm that
08:45<snogglethorpe>DarKwings: no, debian does the right magic to make it work
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08:45<miksuh>hen sun releases java 7 then it all might change..
08:45<jm_>yeah nspluginwrapper
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08:45<miksuh>but that's not anytime soon
08:45<miksuh>hen =when
08:45<DarKwings>snogglethorpe: it's interessting, and what about proprietary drivers?
08:45<snogglethorpe>DarKwings: also aforementioned magic makes skype's 32-bit binaries work
08:45<snogglethorpe>DarKwings: no clue about such, I don't use any
08:46<DarKwings>personnaly it's a point, cause i use wifi cards
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08:46<DarKwings>and they sometimes need proprietary stuffs
08:47<miksuh>One reason why I use 32bit debian is that I have to do some symbian coding and I do that on virtualized WinXP
08:47<miksuh>I think it'äs not possible to run virtualized 32bit OS on 64bit OS or am i wrong?
08:47<[machine]>sure it is
08:48<DarKwings>no problem with that i think
08:48<miksuh>great if it is possible
08:48<[gloom]>DarKwings: yep. I use skype and it works. Not as fine as the windows version, but it's working... I installed picasa from google in another 64 bits machine and it worked too (32 bit)
08:49<DarKwings>the virtual machine has it own memory management, i think there is no problem to virtualize 64 bits on 32 bits, or 32 on 64, the virtual machine does the "translation" staff
08:49<[machine]>vmware and qemu both work fine on 64bit hosts
08:49<[machine]>with 32bit guests
08:49<miksuh>good to know
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08:51<DarKwings>[gloom]: yeah interesting, but i had another problem, i'm student in computer science, we do asm x86 works, and code from my teacher is designed for x86, not x86_64, i''ve been traped because at this time my os was debian 64
08:52<DarKwings>so asm x86 doesn't work on debian 64
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09:07<compaq>DarKwings, how much ram do yoy have
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09:08<DarKwings>compaq> 3gb
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09:18<pumpkin0>DarKwings: install a bigmam 32 Bit kernel or setup a 32Bit chroot ?
09:18<padski_>I just ran into #463606. Is it possible to install the 2.6.18 kernel during an etchnhalf install ?
09:19<jm_>padski_: use older images?
09:20<DarKwings>pumpkin0> ya maybe, currently my pc run well on 32 bits, but may be i will try that a day
09:20<padski_>jm_, sure. I just wondered.
09:20<jm_>padski_: probably by installing it manually on tty2
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09:22<jm_>ohh that'll only help if one can boot at all I suppose
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09:25<padski_>jm_, I managed to get it installed. is it the 2.6.18 kernel in the installer ?
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09:28<jm_>padski_: for older releases you mean?
09:28<jm_>padski_: I don't know about etchnhalf, but apparently 4.0r4 images are not ready yet so you may have used old ones
09:28<jm_>sorry have to run now
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09:30<padski_>me too
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09:31<lst>is there a package for anti-aliasing for qt?
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09:33<tommie>hi hi
09:33<tommie>i have a question regarding security of dokuwiki in debian etch
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09:34<tommie>it is installed however, but it is giving me a report that there is a new version which fixes some security whole
09:34<tommie>i followed on of the bug reports and it seems that the code is still not fixed in debian etch
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09:34<tommie>so is nobody fixing security wholes in dokuwiki for debian anymore?
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09:35<[machine]>tommie; which hole in dokuwiki?
09:36<tommie>[machine], An XSS vulnerability was discovered, read the bug report for manual fixing or upgrading [10]
09:36<tommie>[machine], the url:
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09:37<tommie>i can remove the new version messages, but it is odd that XSS vulnerability is not fixed
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09:38<tommie>[machine], Affected are all versions up to and including 2007-06-26 even when the spell checker is disabled. And the version in etch is 2006....
09:38<themill>tommie: the date of the version is not necessarily relevant as debian backports patches (usually).
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09:39<tommie>themill, idd, thats why i checked it manualy it is not fixed
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09:39<tommie>should i sent a bug report?
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09:40<themill>tommie: check the BTS in a first instance to see if it's already noted. Use reportbug to file a bug against the package. If nothing happens, ping the maintainer directly and/or the security team.
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09:40<pumpkin0>tommie: complain here:
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09:43<tommie>okay will do thanks
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09:44<[machine]>#debian-security is where the debian security folk lurk - you could give them a prod, they may have missed it
09:44<tommie_>okay thanks
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09:47<DTE>hi all
09:47<DTE>i have some trouble to configure an iscsi initiator
09:47<DTE>someone can help?
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09:52<lst>is there a package for anti-aliasing for qt?
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10:03<db>can someone tell me how to burn an iso image
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10:06<buffoon_work>db: cdrecord <file.iso>
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10:09<Guest416>why thank you
10:10<RichiH>any idea since what kernel version iptables have the --random target for ports?
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10:11<enouf>Guest416: the bin is called wodim now, "/msg dpkg wodim" here's a general purpose line i use; wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd -dao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /path/to/iso (where /dev/hdd is the cdrom/dvd drive)
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10:12<enouf>ew.. dpkg?
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10:21<Droscy>is there any way to install only some packages of xorg instead of the whole group
10:23<qq_>yes , you may specify what you need
10:27<qq_>as/like/e.g >> aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-vga
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10:28<Droscy>ok, thanks qq_
10:28<qq_>Droscy: np
10:30<qq_>you may remove unwanted xorg packages too
10:30<Nyaa>I'm running etch r4 now. I'd like to reinstall 2.2.3-* with Apache 2.2.9 from lenny, updating all subpackages as well. Do I really have to remove it first? aptitude -t lenny reinstall apache2 ... didn't do jack shit. (Yes, I have set up sources.list).
10:31<Nyaa>It's a production server after all.
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10:32<qq_>Nyaa: so . not recommended (yet)
10:32<buffoon_work>hmm, if I do "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso" it just copies ~170MB but theres a DVD in it with 4,4GB of stuff... any suggestions?
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10:33<qq_>buffoon_work: check fstab first
10:34<qq_>err, grr
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10:35<Nyaa>"so . not recommended"?
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10:35<buffoon_work>qq_, well, /dev/cdrom is definitely that device if you mean that
10:35<qq_>lenny stil testing ...
10:35<Nyaa>I know it is. I'd still like to get Apache 2.2.9.
10:36<Nyaa>2.2.3 doesn't support some parameters for the load-balancing proxy.
10:36<qq_>use on your risk
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10:36<FoxM>Does anybody know a fix to a mysql-query-browser freeze when selecting a schema?
10:36<Nyaa>That doesn't relate to my original question at all though.
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10:39<enouf>buffoon_work: hrm. is the media a cd? or dvd? also try passing dd the conv=noerror or somthing option(s)
10:40<qq_>buffoon_work: i thought is a mutter of facts that cdrom is not a block device
10:40<enouf>buffoon_work: if a cd, could try readcd -c2scan to check for errors and such (readcd is now readom)
10:41<buffoon_work>the media is a dvd
10:41<buffoon_work>qq_, better to use cat then?
10:41<enouf>but many Copy Protection schemes include bad sectors as a way to thwart copy
10:41<enouf>could use cp even
10:42<Azhrarn>note to self, screw fw loading, alt-f2 and udpkg -i network drivers works like a charm
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10:42<buffoon_work>well, it's a driver DVD from a HP Notebook (brand new) so it should be readable
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10:42<enouf>hrm, a nice OEM DVD .. how nice ;-)
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10:43<qq_>buffoon_work: why not useing k3b for ?
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10:43<buffoon_work>qq_, k3b is too huge for me... i'm always working with a few VM's nearby (one is WinXP with Outlook) so i try to save some memory on other parts...
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10:46<buffoon_work>uff, even cp didn't work...
10:47<qq_>if k3b is doing the job , all is ok (for me sure)
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10:47<DTE>anyone used iscsi on debian?
10:47<enouf>buffoon_work: fails at the same point?
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10:47<buffoon_work>hmm, if i do a loop mount of that image and then du -hs /media/cdrom it says 4,9GB
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10:48<enouf>buffoon_work: do you have another burner? make a direct copy on the fly? as a test?
10:48<buffoon_work>hmm, no i'm sorry
10:48<Nyaa>Is the logrotate/Apache2 bug still present in etch?
10:48<buffoon_work>hmm, maybe a diff would do it
10:48<enouf>buffoon_work: see what dvd+rw-mediainfo says
10:49<buffoon_work>well, if i do a diff between the image and the cd it outputs nothing... i guess that should be fin
10:49<enouf>4.9 is really squeezing an overburn :-P
10:49<qq_>Nyaa: try bts
10:49<enouf>4.3 it should say, 4.73 tops maybe
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10:50<enouf>yeah, dondf
10:50<enouf>yeah, don't rely on df for loop mounted ISOs
10:50<enouf>i made that mistake too .. there's sparse file(s) i bet it's reading
10:51<enouf>erm du, not df
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10:55<buffoon_work>well, i have to use that CD anyway... i guess i'll try to burn it and don't use the original one...
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11:00<robertD>I have a question, I know that 'sudoers' contains the list of commands that a user can run, but where's the list for all the "regular" commands that a can run like ls,ps etc?
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11:01<qq_>buffoon_work: have you used that DVD for installing linux drivers ?
11:01<themill>robertD: if you have tab completion in your shell, just hit tab twice...
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11:01<snogglethorpe>robertD: or, approximately, ls /usr/bin
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11:01<snogglethorpe>robertD: on debian most stuff is there
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11:02<buffoon_work>qq_, no, that are windows xp drivers... i have do do a downgrade from Vista to XP
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11:02<buffoon_work>better would be an Upgrade from Vista to debian of course =)
11:02<buffoon_work>but our client wouldn't be that happy with that
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11:03<robertD>snogglethrope: aha,ok. I'm asking, because for example 'iwconfig' is not there and I just started wondering what commands a "normal" user can run, or better what can't?
11:03<qq_> /usr/sbin
11:03<snogglethorpe>robertD: some stuff is in /sbin or /usr/sbin
11:04<snogglethorpe>robertD: that's normally stuff only root can run
11:04<snogglethorpe>robertD: [though a few useful commands are stuck there even though normal users can use them too]
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11:06<robertD>snogglethorpe: thanks. I'm a bit new (more than a bit) to linux and Debian, and just trying to figure out about system restrictions for non-root users.
11:07<Jeffreys>Question: How can I get the dependacies of a .deb file with a terminal command?
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11:07<themill>robertD: If you really want a list of all the all the commands... run: (export IFS=:; for i in $PATH ; do find $i -maxdepth 1 -type f -perm /u+x ; done)
11:07<elkid>seens like channel's dpkg not working
11:07<elkid>how come
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11:07<themill>elkid: dpkg isn't on the server atm
11:08<elkid>themill, oohh ok
11:08<themill>dondelelcaro: has the bot gone missing?
11:09<Nemoder>Jeffreys: apt-cache depends <package>
11:09<gsimmons>Jeffreys: dpkg -I foo.deb | grep Depends
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11:10<robertD>themill: that's quite a list :) that's for non-root users?
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11:11<themill>robertD: that's the list of files you have permissions to execute. They may or may not actually do anything useful for you as a non-root user of course.
11:12<robertD>I understand, thanks. and can everything else be added to 'sudoers', or there are restrictions?
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11:32<ptr>howdy, folks
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11:38<enouf>robertD: i add /sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin to my user path - (it allows you to run commands you'd otherwise need to type full path to, or use sudo) you might not want to do that though, but it does come down to file permissions in the end
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11:39<enouf>robertD: learn which and whereis commands ;-)
11:40<enouf>robertD: a decent general outline - not debian specific though
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11:43<bcochofel>Can I install iceweasel 3 from lenny under etch?
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11:44<snogglethorpe>bcochofel: something that popular surely has a backport somewhere
11:44<themill>not easily
11:44<themill>!firefox 3 etch
11:44<themill>gah... no bot
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11:45<snogglethorpe>*dpkg explodes*
11:45<themill>[16:45] <dpkg> Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see and at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it
11:45*themill suspects a backport is unlikely...
11:48<robertD>enouf: from what I can see, I read 90% of that tutorial you gave me. I can get around, but at this point, I'm really trying to figure out some basics of linux, like users, accounts etc...
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11:48<robertD>enouf: I mean, I read it in some other tutorial
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11:49<enouf>maybe this will help robertD "/msg dpkg permissions"
11:50<enouf>oh .. wait - hehe
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11:50<enouf>er.. see for one
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11:51<enouf>ahh ravenbird is here
11:51<enouf>erm, what's the trigger .. and how much does it know? ;-)
11:52<stevecotton>hmm - maybe not. Ta, themill
11:52<ravenbird>it has been said that permissions is multiple acts of permitting
11:52<themill>ravenbird: thanks
11:52<ravenbird>themill: de rien
11:52<enouf>robertD: here, i copied it from [dpkg] For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or
11:53<enouf>robertD: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html
11:53<enouf>guess not ;-)
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11:53<robertD>enouf: thanks.
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11:55<ptr>Is there any reason not to do lvm on top of linux software raid? I've set it up without issue, but when I try to run mke2fs on the resulting lv, I get weird I/O errors on some of the disks. Weird because, from that point forward, badblocks reports every block on the affected disks as bad, and before making the array, I was able to run a full badblocks write test on them without issue. And the problem is fixed by rebooting.
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11:59<ptr>wonder what's gotten into the bots
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12:00<themill>dpkg has gone walkies
12:00<snogglethorpe>need a shell on a different channel
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12:01<themill>You can still go to
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12:07<sasha>hi , i dont have network manager shortcut in gnome->system-> administration anymore and if i launch it in command prompt it close immeediately on lenny , any idea ?
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12:12<tarnal>trying to get sound working on debian etch. when kde starts i get an error message "device /dev/dsp/ can't be opened (Permission denied)". when i go to run alsamixergui i get the message "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device"
12:13<themill>tarnal: are you in the audio group? (what is the output of the command "groups")
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12:13<tarnal>themill: my username
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12:15<themill>tarnal: that all? then you will need to add yourself to the audio group: adduser your_username audio
12:16<tarnal>ok. i still get the same output from groups, though.
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12:17<themill>tarnal: you need to log out and log back in again for group membership to change
12:17<tarnal>k. brb
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12:25<sasha>hi i do not have the network shortcut in system - administration anymore can someone help please
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12:25<mdev>can i safe uninstall inetd and replace with xinetd or might it break my ssh i'm work from remote
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12:27<avu>mdev, the openssh server does not use inetd
12:27<dytek>themill: that was the problem
12:27<ptr>I don't believe sshd uses inetd; certainly it doesn't by default
12:28<themill>dytek: :)
12:28<mdev>ok thx i can replace it in that case
12:29<dytek>i still don't have audio.
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12:30<dytek>is it ok to use aptitude AND synaptic
12:31<dytek>i heard that doing that could cause conflicts
12:31<dytek>can anyone confirm/deny?
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12:38<dytek>i'm having trouble with sound. i got alsa installed. i added myself to the audio group. i ran alsamixer and unmuted all channels TWICE, but i'm still not getting audio
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12:42<padski_>dytek, aptitude vs synaptic: not simultaneously, but otherwise I would hope you wouldn't run into anything serious.
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12:43<themill>in etch, synaptic doesn't do some of the fancy things like autoremoving unneeded packages that aptitude can do. Aptitude's dependency resolution is probably better too, so for a bit upgrade, you should go with aptitude rather than synaptic
12:43<themill>[17:43] <dpkg> 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
12:43<themill>dytek: ^^
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12:44<compaq>dytek, you must have a really old computer cause its been ages since I've had to configure sound, except for alsaconf
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12:45<compaq>dytek, and even that was cause I didn't wanna use the onboard sound, and used an add-on card, so I used alsaconf to chose the add-on
12:46<padski_>yeah, whatever happenned to isapnp ? ;-)
12:47<themill>dytek: you may need to *mute* one of the channels rather than unmute it to get your sound to work. If you see a channel like "external power amplifier" then that probably should be muted.
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12:47<dytek>themill: what was that command to dpkg to bring up that alsa info?
12:47<dytek>it working
12:48<dytek>*it's working now
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12:49<themill>dytek: dpkg isn't here, I pasted that across from oftc -- but normally /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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12:50<dytek>from oftc
12:50<dytek>this is oftc
12:51<hypnotic>hi there, i wanted to install kde4.1 in sid, followed the instructions on this site: but when I want to force the packages from experimental, it wants to uninstall a large portion of kde3, is this suppose to happen?
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12:52<SlayerXP>hypnotic: evidently yes
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12:52<themill>dytek: err... from freenode
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12:54<hypnotic>SlayerXP: hmm do you know if the kde4 environment in debian experimental is a complete desktop environment or just bits and pieces to test kde4
12:54<avu>hypnotic, it's a complete kde 4.1
12:54<avu>hypnotic, at least on i386
12:54<SlayerXP>hypnotic: i have no idea. generally speaking i need to use my computer to do actual work.
12:54<avu>hypnotic, powerpc for example lags a bit behind
12:55<hypnotic>avu: ok thats promising, I have i386 for sid, and amd64 for lenny
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12:55<hypnotic>SlayerXP: i like to play a bit with a couple of desktops ;)
12:55<avu>less, don't do that
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12:56<hypnotic>avu: I know in kubuntu its possible to have kde3 and kde4 running next to each other, isnt this possible in debian?
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12:57<avu>hypnotic, I don't think so, no
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12:57<avu>hypnotic, you can install certain kde4 applications alongside kde3
12:57<avu>hypnotic, but not the whole desktop I think
12:57<DTE>ok...iscsi is not working well on debian...someone has experience with that??
12:57<hypnotic>avu: yes but thats only: kdelibs5, kdepimlibs5, kdebase-runtime
12:58<hypnotic>avu: i want to try kde4.1 without messing up my sid install, is it easy to change back if I dont like it?
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12:58<dytek>k. i'd like to have ntfs rw access to a spare hdd on the system
12:58<avu>hypnotic, not sure. downgrading packages is generally not supported
12:59<themill>hypnotic: try doing it in a chroot then. there's a wiki page called kde4schroot or similar
12:59<dytek>i found a few manuals but they all seem to require that i be running lenny
12:59<padski_>DTE, none at all. its basically scsi over tcp/ip, yes ?
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12:59<themill>dytek: [17:59] <dpkg> [ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
13:00<hypnotic>themill: cool thanx, that seems like a nice project :p
13:00<qq>DTE: fill a bug repport than
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13:01<padski_>DTE, or perhaps
13:01<hypnotic>themill: ill save that for the weekend ;)
13:02<themill>hypnotic: no worries... have fun
13:02<DTE>padski_: i tried but the magical think it's working well with windows and not with debian :-(
13:03<jthomas>I've installed HPLIP from Debian Stable; I ran the hp-makeuri app; but I don't see my HP p4015n printers listed in the CUPS driver list. Does anyone have suggestions on this? Should I use HP LaserJet 4 Series drivers?
13:03<padski_>DTE, :-(
13:05<padski_>find: invalid predicate `-wholename'
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13:07<dytek>what package/service keeps "rpcbind" running on port 111?
13:08<MrNaz>installing debian amd64 on a dual opteron system, does anyone have any suggestions on what the best kernel to use would be? just the standard amd64 smp kernel or are there any better ones?
13:09<dytek>is having the latest kernel the best option for system security/stability?
13:09<maxb_> --- no results
13:10<padski_>dytek, netstat -lpn
13:11<miksuh>hmm, is there multiarch version of netinst cd?
13:12<gsimmons>miksuh: Yes.
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13:12<dytek>padski_: thx
13:12<miksuh>for some reason it's not listed eg here
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13:14<padski_>dytek, I haven't seen the name "rpcbind" in some time ?
13:15<hypnotic>thanx everybody, gonna get some dinner now
13:15<dytek>i'm trying to remove inetd but package manager is saying this will also rmove telnet.
13:15<hypnotic>bye bye
13:16<gsimmons>miksuh: Looks like the link was omitted for netinst. You can find them at
13:16<padski_>dytek, telnetd ?
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13:16<dytek>no. telnet.
13:18<dytek>why does telnet require openbsd-inetd?
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13:19<padski_>dytek, which telnet package exactly ?
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13:19<dytek>THE telnet
13:19<themill>dytek: can you pastebin the output for us?
13:20<themill> or similar
13:20*themill curses the absent bot again
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13:21<dytek>i just installed pastebinit. x was down and i was using irssi for support. i've found it very useful. easier than using a browser even. :)
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13:24<themill>dytek: what is that paste supposed to show? that's sort of the opposite to: [18:15] <dytek> i'm trying to remove inetd but package manager is saying this will also rmove telnet.
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13:26<themill>But yes... telnet depends on netbase and netbase requires some sort of inet superserver
13:26<dytek>well, i already removed it. now i'm reinstalling telnet and it's telling me that i have to have inetd installed. why? because i don't want inetd running an open port. but i just stopped the service and that weemed to work just fine.
13:26<DTE>it works!!!! :-)
13:26<dytek>now back to ntfs
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13:26<DTE>padski_: it seems the old open-iscsi has some problem
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13:27<DTE>just backported the one in sid and now i can connect to a iscsi target :-)
13:27<DTE>now i can go home :-)
13:28<newsense>man does everyone hate debian or what seems like any channel i go to thats for a specific app says go ask in #debian
13:29<dytek>if you are running debian then this is where you should be
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13:29<newsense>anyone know if i can setup logcheck to email logs to 2 addresses ?
13:29<newsense>sometimes people here refer people to the app specific channel
13:29<padski_>newsense, yes
13:29<newsense>but they just say to come here
13:29<newsense>is it just a debian thing ?
13:30<padski_>DTE, :-)
13:30<newsense>padski_: what was that yes for ?
13:30<padski_>newsense, yes I bet you can setup logcheck to email logs to 2 addresses
13:31<newsense>i know how to set who gets the email but dont know how to add 2
13:31<newsense>do you know the syntax ?
13:31<maxb_>No, I'd say it's an app specific thing. For most apps there's no reason not to use the app specific channels if they exist. Of course, there are exceptions, such as when Debian substantially modifies the default config files, that referrals to #debian are very justified
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13:31<newsense>maxb_: gues i didnt consider that
13:31<newsense>like exim for example
13:31<maxb_>yup,that was one I was thinking of
13:31<newsense>or im guessing logcheck too since they rejected my ?
13:31<maxb_>apache being another
13:32<maxb_>Don't use logcheck myself, so I can't assess how justified they are in
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13:32<themill>wine devs don't like the debian packages...
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13:34<padski_>newsense, dunno. you could try comma or semi-colon as a seperator.
13:35<newsense>padski_: was just think about maybe a comma ill try both thanks
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13:36<stevecotton>is there a standard set of translated texts for "please log this in the Debian BTS", which can be used if the original application has a "please log this in $application BTS" dialog?
13:36<padski_>newsense, looks like it sends mail with mailx. I think comma should work.
13:37<newsense>nah didnt get any mail with the comma
13:37<newsense>gonna try semicolon now
13:38<newsense>neither reciepient gets the mail with semicolon either
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13:39<newsense>i read a few docs on logcheck and they suggest mailing the logs to a localuser and a remote user but no one says how
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13:39<padski_>newsense, works here. how are you testing ?
13:39<newsense>failing su attempts as local user than su logcheck logcheck as root
13:40<padski_>newsense, try something like su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck -t" logcheck
13:40<newsense>ok cool let me try that
13:40<themill>newsense: you could create an alias in your MTA that sends to two people... that's actually not a bad way of dealing with administrative things like that anyway. set it up to send to "logcheck" and let your MTA split it
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13:41<padski_>is good advice, but I wanted to answer the question ;-P
13:41<newsense>themill not bad idea
13:42<newsense>padski_: just cusious, what syntax did you use to get it to work ?
13:42<padski_>in logcheck.conf: SENDMAILTO="root,padski"
13:43<newsense>but is themill's way the better practice way
13:43<padski_>newsense, yes
13:43<newsense>ok ill look into that
13:44<newsense>alias is the option i should read up on ?
13:44<newsense>iin exim
13:44<themill>newsense: on a server, it's a nice way of centralising a few of the settings so that when you leave and the next guy takes over, it's easier to make sure things are changed over
13:44<themill>newsense: look at the file /etc/aliases
13:44<maxb_>The comma separated version works? There's no mention of that syntax in mailx manpage
13:45<newsense>didnt work for me
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13:45<padski_>maxb_, it would be a pain with a semi-colon. what are the chances ?
13:46<newsense>padski_: sorry im an idiot
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13:46<newsense>it did work with the comma
13:46<padski_>newsense, no worries :-)
13:47<newsense>i forgot to regenerate an error for logcheck to report when i trie with the ,
13:47<newsense>can tell from my bash history now thatt i look
13:47<newsense>thanks all of you by the way now that i have it working im gonna get it working the right way through aliases
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13:49<newsense>least if i get rooted and my logfiles getwiped while im reading up on aliases ill have my logfiles on the remote mail server
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13:50<topaleku_>coño quetal estas
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13:50<newsense>hes not here
13:51<topaleku_>wat is your nam?
13:51<newsense>debian en espanol es #debian-es
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13:53<simonrvn>ravenbird: es
13:53<ravenbird>i heard es is For Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es channel. Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es
13:54<simonrvn>doh! i changed it...
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13:54<themill>&cluebat simonrvn
13:54*ravenbird beats simonrvn with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 2! The install guide is at
13:54<ravenbird>i heard es is For Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es channel. Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es
13:55*simonrvn falls down, dizzy
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13:55<newsense>man cant believe comcast lets people send mail through their smtp server using any email address they have set
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13:56<newsense>spammers would love that
13:56<simonrvn>they and others are spammy like fuck
13:56<simonrvn>they do
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13:56<newsense>looking at the email adress from logcheck and was like wtf
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13:56<newsense>i could if i was an idiot spammer have a field day
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13:57<newsense>whats that called email spoofing ?
13:58<dytek>there is a command using aptitude to install all depencencies for a specified package. lost my bookmarks. does anyone know what i'm talking about?
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13:59<simonrvn>abusing an open relay server
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14:00<newsense>yeah i dont want to do that
14:01<newsense>gonna have to add an alias asap
14:01*newsense thinks my exim configuration might not as complete as thought earlier
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14:03<simonrvn>one or 2 of the bl hosts have a bot to test your server config, via smtp protocol, to see if it's open. works nicely, and then you know what to do if it turns out it is open. though the debian default isn't, iirc, my main conf is heavily customized.
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14:03<wnd>dytek, you want to install all dependencies for package foo but not foo itself?
14:04<newsense>bl ?
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14:04<dytek>wnd: yeah
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14:05<dytek>i did it all by hand already but i might as well know, eh?
14:05<wnd>I'm not aware of such command, nor can I think of a reason to have one :-)
14:06<wnd>I guess you're not talking about command to install build dependencies for a package
14:06<Nyaa>Can't you just install foo and its dependencies and then purge foo?
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14:07<stevecotton>newsense - a lot of ISPs allow that, as long as the sending computer is on their network. It's very helpful when you have a well-user email account with one ISP, but get connectivity from another ISP.
14:08<newsense>im trying to fix it now i just need to add logcheck to email-addresses file and set it to use my comcast address
14:08<newsense>might setup a secondary address just for that
14:09<dytek>wnd: that IS what i was thinking of. the command to install build dependencies for a package
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14:09<wnd>dytek, aptitude build-dep foo
14:09<newsense>can you explain the │ Hide local mail name in outgoing mail?
14:09<wnd>apt-get also recognises that
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14:11<mdev>is there a light web-based/parser to have look in my logs and stats with debian
14:15<amphi>mdev: gui? there's netsurf
14:16<mdev>yes via browser i take look for netsurf thx
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14:20<mdev>ok it's a browser but i need something that can parse the system stats on another sit
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14:20<mdev>i try make with php but require more reading on the expressions
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14:31<d422x>Hi All, I am new to debian, and want to get a simple mail relay going. It is just for my home office. I don't want any fancy bells and whistles, just relay mail, and only allow mail to relay from afew IP's. Is there any guide someone can recommend?
14:31<newsense>about /etc/aliases
14:32<newsense>can i add a remote eail address for an alias cause it doesnt seem to be working
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14:35<newsense>nm check the wrong remote email server
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14:36<newsense>thanks stevecotton
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14:51<anhan10>can someone help me getting a vnc server to work again?
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14:52<anhan10>i can reach the desktop but it is just white and black patterned - and the mouse cursor is a cross
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14:55<mdev>maybe install a desktop
14:56<anhan10>i have, the server (physical) restarted and now i cant get to my desktop, but other stuff like FTP, SSH, WWW and so on works fine
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14:57<dytek>anhan10: you need to install a window manager
14:57<dytek>kde, gnome, windowmaker, icewm, etc
14:57<anhan10>there is xfce4 on it but how do i start it ?
14:57<mdev>or blackbox
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14:58<dytek> /shrug never used it
14:59<mdev>i read startx
14:59<morii>does anyone have a ibm T21 and can resume after hibernate without /etc/init.d/alsa suspend; /etc/init.d/alsa resume; alsactl restore... ? This will kill all apps using sound :(
15:00<mdev>though i heard it use lot of memory
15:00<mdev>freenx maybe little better?
15:00<dytek>is there a timeframe for lenny becomes "stable"?
15:00<dytek>*for when
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15:01<anhan10>hmm as long as it is easy to setup + is reliable i don't give a f*** :)
15:01<mdev>ready when ready on the poll
15:01<anhan10>it is a celeron server with 1 gb ram i think :)
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15:01<mdev>i u use it on remote can become very slow
15:02<anhan10>what do you use ? - and is the alternatives easy to install?
15:03<mdev>i tried vnc and freenx sslexplorer and soon ltsp
15:05<anhan10>i have to use wine on it too - if i sound like a n00b it's because i am it in linux systems:p
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15:05<mdev>oh yeah me too i must first buy license though
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15:05<mdev>i need to run some dx9 apps on linux server\
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15:06<mdev>think only wine offer better dx9 support although not 100%
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15:08<mdev>vnc or freenx made no difference when installing, but found nx smoother on remote
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15:13<newsense>where can i change the date/time format of logfiles ? syslogd config file ?
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15:17<anhan10>NX> 148 Server capacity: not reached for user: user
15:17<anhan10>NX> 105 NX> 280 Exiting on signal: 15
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15:38<anhan10>can someone help me with this then?:
15:38<anhan10>NX> 105 /usr/lib/nx/nxserver: line 880: 16767 Terminated ( sleep $AGENT_STARTUP_TIMEOUT; exit 1 )
15:38<anhan10>NX> 504 Session startup failed.
15:38<anhan10>NX> 1004 Error: nxagent failed to start with: Unrecognized option: 1
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15:41<sander_m>Hello. I am having trouble upgrading my Etch box to the latest point release. I can't tell if it's the fault of debconf or twisted. Can someone help me solve this? See
15:41<mdev>wrong desktop selected
15:42<anhan10>have installed both gnome and kde :(
15:42<mdev>you select or server?
15:43<anhan10>i just chose in the nx client
15:44<mdev>i read auth problem or startup problem with client
15:45<shze>i try to use my local repo within pbuilder. the repo works with local apt, but pbuilder stops with W: Failed to fetch file:/root/deb/./Packages.gz File not found, and then E: Some index files failed to download
15:45<shze>how can i access this repo in pbuilder?
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15:47<shze_>how can i use a local repo within pbuilder
15:47<themill>shze: inside your pbuilder, you will have a different /root as the pbuilder is chrooted. You could try bind-mounting it inside the pbuilder
15:48<shze_>themill: i added bindmount=/root/deb und othermirror"deb file:/root/deb ./" to pbuilderrc, but it does not help
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15:49<themill>shze_: if you login to the pbuilder environment, are the files there?
15:49*themill uses a local apache server for this purpose...
15:49<shze_>you mean a /etc/apt/sources.list?
15:50<shze_>yes, but only if i remove the othermirror option, otherwise pbuilder create stop with an error and does not create a base.tgz
15:50<shze_>arrgh.. i hate cgi:irc :(
15:51<themill>are you creating the chroot or just trying to use it at this stage?
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15:52<anhan10>can someone then help me with how i do after i have installed freenx on the server - and i dont have a window manageR?
15:52<mdev>i read you need change something with backingstore
15:53<mdev>not sure if apply still on your version
15:53<anhan10>is it in freenx or a windowmanageR?
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15:56<IR_>algun americano? o español
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15:56<themill>[20:56] <dpkg> Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:57<shze__>ok, irssi works a lot better than cgi:irc :)
15:58<kinneh>hi all, I've got a question, is it possible to use the sun-jdk with jars in debian
15:58<kinneh>I dont understand why liblog4j1.2-java will install gcj even is the dependenies are already met ?
15:59<themill>kinneh: how have you met the dependency "kaffe | java1-runtime | java2-runtime"
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16:00<kinneh>apt-cache show sun-java6-jre
16:00<themill>that's a virtual package though -- what real package do you have installed?
16:00<kinneh>Provides: ... java2-runtime
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16:01<shze__>i try to create a base.tgz with pbuilder that includes my local repo
16:01<shze__>i added bindmounts and othermirror to my pbuilderrc, but it does not work
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16:01<themill>kinneh: so you're meeting the dependency "kaffe | java1-runtime | java2-runtime" with sun-java6-jdk?
16:01<themill>err -jre
16:02<themill>shze__: leave out the bind mounts when you're first setting it up
16:03<shze__>themill: so i have to change pbuilderrc after create?
16:03<themill>shze__: that's the easiest approach... get it running first, then make it more complicated
16:04<shze__>ok, i'll try
16:04<anhan10>where do i find this nxnode file?? :$
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16:05<themill>kinneh: try installing without recommends. I suspect the recommends on liblog4j1.2-java-gcj is the problem
16:06<kinneh>ok but I usally dont get recommends when installing ?!?!
16:06<mdev>have you downloaded from nomachine?
16:06<anhan10>apt-get install freenx or something :)
16:07<mdev>you must use from nomachine from what i understand
16:07<mdev>Installation of NX Server for Linux requires the download and installation of three packages: client, node and server.
16:08<themill>kinneh: do you use apt-get or aptitude? can you pastebin the entire output of apt-get install liblog4j1.2-java (or aptitude ...) for me?
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16:09<anhan10>mdev in what order? - i will just connect to it from a windoze machine
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16:11<anhan10>argh - im sleeping - didn't see the instructions below:)
16:12<mdev>that link is for use with debian and there are windows clients as well
16:13<anhan10>yes, do i have to install the client when i connect from a windows machine?
16:13<mdev>not on the linux box
16:14<themill>kinneh: and what's the output of: apt-get -o "APT::Install-Recommends=no;" install liblog4j1.2-java
16:14<mdev>only need client there if you going to connect from the linux server to another freenx server
16:14<kinneh>themill: ok that's better
16:15<kinneh>but is this new that apt-get always installs recommends ?
16:15<mdev>but look at the install instructions its very important otherwise you might break something
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16:15<themill>[21:15] <dpkg> it has been said that apt recommends is since lenny apt-get installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want a minesweeper to be installed when you install backup software, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf
16:15<themill>kinneh: ^^ not that new...
16:15<kinneh>themill: thx, I maybe wasn't paying attention :-/
16:15<themill>kinneh: if you're running lenny/sid, you should consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce
16:17<kinneh>well I'm subscribed to alot of debian lists, maybe I've missed taht part
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16:28<anhan10>mdev got it to show me a kde window now !!!!! ^^^^^:D - im so happy right now:p
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16:33<mdev>nice ^^
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16:40<istoc>Hi, uh, this may be a stupid question but why can I no longer ping my server when I flush my iptables rules? Won't it just accept all traffic by default if there are no rules?
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16:41<mdev>maybe blocked in sysctl?
16:42<mdev>i have once set it to block all icmp and nobody could ping anymore
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16:43<Gathond>istoc: depends, it will follow whatever the policy is set to
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16:43<Gathond>istoc: note that -F does NOT reset the policy, it just flushes the rules
16:43<istoc>Gathond, ah, so the default policies are still in effect?
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16:44<Gathond>istoc: well whatever policy was there is still in effect
16:44<Gathond>the default policy is ACCEPT though, so unless you changed it to DROP it should allow anything
16:45<istoc>Is there another flag I can use that will even set the policy back to default AND delete all the rules?
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16:46<istoc>But yea, I did change the default policy so that makes sense
16:46<Gathond>not sure you can reset the policy, you can change that one again with -P, i bet man iptables knows though
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16:47<istoc>Gathond, thanks for the help, looks like Ill have to get physical access to it now
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16:48<Sey>As per an instruction earlier (a month) i downloaded and install ipmasque so i could use this computer to allow my xbox 360 to connect to the internet. Can anyone give me some .. pointers as my xbox is not recognising the connection. The connection is as follows : Modem to Computer to Xbox 360
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16:49<istoc>Sey, it could be a lot of things, port forwarding, having ipmasq not set up right, not having iptables forwarding packets or having some other settings not done right
16:50<istoc>Sey, google the gentoo home router guide, thats the one I used
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16:52<istoc>oops, I mean dnsmasq
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16:59<Sey>If i apt-get dnsmasq and restart, should it allow access to my internet for my xbox 360, or will it require configuring?
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17:00<istoc>Sey, you're going to have to config it up, not just it but a bunch of other stuff
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17:01<istoc>iptables, setting a static address for the interface your xbox is connecting to, changing forwarding settings in sysctl
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17:01<istoc>I gotta go, but google the guide
17:01<Sey>.. bugger. I havent a clue hot do that, and the guide is rubbish to me, but i shall try! thankyuo
17:01<istoc>Sey, just work though the pain :)
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17:07<dytek>anyone know of something like google earth or that does not require an internet connection? something that can be installed on the hdd.
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17:32<volta>evening; is anyone able to give me some support with {ipw|iwl}3945 and the new 2.6.24-kernel?
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17:44<themill>volta: assume yes and ask your real question...
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17:45<dytek>anyone know of something like google earth or that does not require an internet connection? something that can be installed on the hdd.
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17:47<mdev>how would that work? satelite?
17:48<mdev>or a static model
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17:49<dytek>...well not google earth... basically just maps that can zoom to street level. i have something like this for windows, but i haven't found anything like it for linux
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17:50<dytek>a "stand-alone" map or atlas program
17:50<mdev>curious if it will be detailed or not
17:51<mdev>with google earth i could see my house
17:51<dytek>well, no. not sattelite pictured, but just streets. like a digital copy of a paper map. that's all
17:51<dytek>not that complicated at all
17:52<volta>themill: iwl3945 module is loaded; turned wlan on with the kill switch; knetworkmanager is responding correctly; but one thing doesn't work: the activity LED :/
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17:52<themill>volta: iwl3945 doesn't support the LED unfortunately. The 2.6.27 kernel might see that fixed aiui.
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17:56<Villarroel>How can I obtain by command-line in a pipe-able output the versions of a virtual package like www-browser.
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17:59<mdev>i only come up with virtual earth
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18:00<themill>Villarroel: apt-cache showpkg www-browser
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18:00<Villarroel>themill: Thanks a lot!
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18:00<themill>no worries
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18:01<mdev>looks more detailed than google earth
18:01<volta>mhh i read the value in /sys/bus/pci/drivers&iwl3945/*/rf_kill corresponds to the kill switch
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18:02<dytek>that's for windows. :?
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18:13<Azhrarn>I have loaded onto a new system that needs the broadcom firmware, and while it worked for the install, and the deb is loaded fine after the install, it's complaining of not being able to load the fw files
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18:14<Azhrarn>it doesn't give a path, but both included fw files are in /lib/firmware
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18:17<Villarroel>VirtualEarth is a service, the software, is Live Search Maps, and is only for Windows (Wikipedia)
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18:37<dytek>is there any way to set priority of process under linux?
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18:38<witte>dytek: nice
18:39<witte>dytek: ok, no factoid on nice, but try "man nice"
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18:39<witte>ravenbird: nice
18:39<ravenbird>rumour has it, nice is prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france
18:40<witte>dytek: this is what dpkg, the other bot who is absent would have said: "<reply> nice, or niceness is, how demanding or how nice a process is scheduled for. -20 is very agressive, and 19 is least agressive. Only root can drop a task below 0. See also taskset, prctl, and open mpi for cpu affinity"
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18:41<dytek>so is dpkg on oftc and freenode?
18:41<witte>i am not sure that they use the same datebase
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18:42<tempest>hi, I just wanted to have an answer as to why does the 4.0r4 still uses the .18 krnel instead of the supposed .24 kernel
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18:43<dytek>well, are they the same bot or was the same name used for familiarity?
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18:44<dytek>tempest: you could always compile your own
18:45<witte>dytek: don't know, i think they are the same software, and i guess that they are linked to the same datebase, but that does not have to be so
18:45<witte>dytek: i only know how to invoke dpkg if he is here, not how he works internally
18:46*dytek hands dr. witte a decompiler
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18:48<witte>dytek: if you want to know about dpkg i think you should ask dondelcaro, if i am correct he wrote some (all?) of the code, and the code is available somewhere for you to have a look, but i don't remember where
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19:26<RaZa>ok guys. I'm trying to install etch on a dell inspiron 510m laptop using a netinst cd (i386 architecture). I'm installing the OS to two USB sticks, (1x64MiB dedicated SWAP & 1x 2.0GiB partitioned for SWAP and an etc3 holding / ). I set it to install GUI, base system & laptop. After downloading and setting up 'til 95% i recieve: an installation step failed. This happens every time... The only non-standard things are the USB disks, using
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19:27<RaZa>oh, and i set the reserved blocks on the / partition to 0 to save space
19:27<RaZa>wen i Alt+F4
19:27<witte>RaZa: can you go to a console (ctrl-alt-f4) and check if there are errors
19:27<RaZa>i get a pkgsel error
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19:27<RaZa>lol, we're thinking on the same lines :p
19:28<witte>RaZa: :-), which error
19:28<RaZa>failed to install
19:28<RaZa>bollocks, ive overlooked something myself
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19:29<RaZa>pkgsel: dpkg-divert: close diversions-new: No space left on device ... looks like i've solved my own problem, running out of drive space :p
19:29<witte>RaZa: you found the problem?
19:29<RaZa>ye ^^
19:30<RaZa>ill settle for a headless install for now then
19:30<witte>RaZa: probably the downloads+system is to much
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19:30<RaZa>maybe install xfce
19:30<RaZa>instead of gnome :)
19:30<RaZa>or i could invest in a bigger mem stick
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19:30<RaZa>:P would be easier
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19:30<witte>or you install first a headless system, and afterwards install stuff one by one, and do apt-get clean after every big download
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19:30<witte>2gig should be enough to run gnome
19:31<RaZa>arr, ofcoarse the auto installer doesn't do a cleanup
19:31<RaZa>thanks for that one witte
19:31<witte>you probably already can delete some packages that you know that are already installed in alt-f3
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19:32<RaZa>^^tis ok, ive alredy rebooted it. As i say i have a local squid proxy which has everything cached. I'll just start over
19:32<witte>RaZa: but that could be tricky, but i think you know what you are doing...
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19:32<RaZa>yay me, someone thinks i know what I'm doing... sounds dangerous
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19:47<ove2>hola... alguien de habla hispana
19:47<abrotman>ove2: #debian-es por favor
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19:47*abrotman wonders if he spelled that right
19:47<abrotman>ove2: or english here
19:47<witte>ravenbird: es
19:47<ravenbird>hmm... es is For Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es channel. Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es
19:48<RaZa>what happened to !es ?
19:48<witte>dpkg is on a holliday
19:48<RaZa>looking through the user list, i see that
19:48<RaZa>what happened to it
19:48<RaZa>or just died :p
19:48<abrotman>just dies sometimes
19:49<witte>abrotman: do you know who can revive dpkg?
19:49<abrotman>witte: only dondelelcaro AFAIK
19:49<RaZa>santa can... surely :s
19:49<witte>dondelelcaro: can you revive dpkg?
19:49<abrotman>he's on freenode .. for whatever that's worth
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19:50<RaZa>different server?
19:50<witte>abrotman: he is also on this channel, maybe not active?
19:50<abrotman>witte: the bot or don ?
19:50<witte>abrotman: don
19:50<abrotman>don is on both .. he might be AFK
19:50<RaZa>if he's anything like me he'll be AFK most of the time
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20:05<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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20:07<segf4ult>sorry for my exit comment.. there was a little mistakes..
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20:32<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
20:32<iPedophile>an aol user? lol
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20:42<krlos>how can i do to get a dd sign to my gpgkey,.. if there is not a dd on my country...
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20:46<witte>krlos: are you sure there are no dd's in your country
20:46<witte>there are quite a lot of dd's
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20:48<krlos>witte, there is one.. rudy godoy ... but i don't know anything about him... a log time that i don't see on the irc.. and no news... a long time ago hi sign my gpg, but i had changed that gpg, and revoke last
20:48<witte>krlos: did you try this search:
20:49<krlos>witte, i am from peru
20:49<krlos>and rudy is the nearest... that is 16 hours from my city... but ... no new from him
20:50<witte>krlos: the website i just gave to you gives you more of his coordinates
20:50<witte>maybe you can email him?
20:50<krlos>witte, i try to do it...
20:50<witte>i am not sure that he has to see you again for key signing if he has already done it before
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20:52<krlos>witte, i told him it some time ago... he told to sign my key again.... but... facxe to face.... but i dont have news from him
20:52<krlos>and other developers are from chile or colombiar... more les 20 hours from me
20:53<witte>ok, i can't help you anymore, i am no dd, and i am not from the americas :-)
20:53<krlos>witte, no problem... jejeje
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21:04<abrotman>oh damn it .. qq_ is here .. goodbye
21:04<witte>newbe1: do you have a question?
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21:05<newbe1>any go topics in here
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21:05<newbe1>need a game controller for ubuntu
21:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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21:12<thapar>what's the best torrent client for linux?
21:13<abrotman>CLI? GUI? gnome? kde? web?
21:13<Chakal>I´m new user linux
21:14<witte>thapar: i heard good things about azareus
21:14<thapar>yeah, so have i, but a lot of sites have it banned for some reason
21:15<witte>thapar: that is azureus
21:15<thapar>plus azureus is a memory hog, no?
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21:15<witte>thapar: i don't know, i have internet from the university network and they banned all peer to peer networks
21:15<newsense>azureus eww
21:15<thapar>what do u suggest, newsense?
21:16<witte>thapar: i would say, just try a few, and see what you like best
21:16<newsense>id rather use ktorrent
21:16<witte>thapar: apt-cache search toorent should give you some options
21:16<newsense>i dont suggest tht either
21:16<thapar>isn't ktorrent for kde?
21:16<witte>"apt-cache search torrent" rather
21:16<taziden>transmission is a very good app
21:16<newsense>use that
21:16<thapar>rtorrent has no gui?
21:16<witte>thapar: you can use kde package under gnome as well
21:17<newsense>nope no gui
21:17<thapar>transmission? hmm, never heard of it
21:17<newsense>just how i like it
21:17<thapar>i'd like a gui, especially since my parents are gonna use it
21:17<newsense>use ktorrent than
21:17<thapar>wow, transmission has some really good reviews
21:17<newsense>its a nice gui alt.
21:17<thapar>ktorrent would be the other choice
21:18<taziden>transmission, deluge, there are plenty of bittorrent clients available for debian
21:18<thapar>k, cool
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21:18<thapar>actually, i have ubuntu
21:18<thapar>(don't yell) =)
21:18<newsense>we will
21:19<taziden>ubunwhat? never heard about this
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21:19<amphi>taziden: some kind of antelope, I believe
21:19<newsense>i tried it once
21:20<witte>thapar: that is no problem, at one time in live you will grow up and you will come to your senses
21:20<witte>thapar: ;)
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21:21<taziden>amphi: ok, so nothing in common with a real linux distro I guess
21:22<qq>gnu distro
21:22<newsense>im a die hard debian user but think its unfair to call ubuntu a non-real linux distro
21:22<witte>newsense: you are right, they have a very solid basis
21:23<witte>newsense: after all, they copied it from debian :P
21:23<newsense>i tried it and seen the similaritiess and differences
21:23<newsense>debian is one of a kind though
21:23<Nemoder>pirating implies breach of copyright..
21:24<newsense>tht doesnt apply to debian
21:24<amphi>or cutlasses
21:24<newsense>no copyright
21:24<Nemoder>debian software is very much copyrighted
21:24<witte>the only real differences are that they have different defaults (installed programs and configurations) and less stringent rules for software
21:25<thapar>sorry, phone call
21:26<thapar> lemme catch up, one sec
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21:27<thapar>why, what's wrong with ubuntu?
21:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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21:29<newsense>debian is open source
21:29<newsense>name might be copyrighted
21:29<Nemoder>newsense: yes it's open source, but most of the software is copyrighted with the GPL
21:29<Nemoder>I guess you can call it copyleft if you want bu it still falls under copyright law
21:30<newsense>Nemoder: sorry u know what i mean
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21:32<Nemoder>if ubuntu was pirating debian then they wouldn't be releasing any of their changes back to us. thankfully they do and it helps both projects
21:33<newsense>yeah and debian does the same i assume, i tried ubuntu an im sure they use debian configs
21:33<newsense>at least a few apps
21:34<newsense>and the installer is similar
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21:41<tech0007>can i ask about lenny here?
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22:10<testing>hi there, I'm having a little problem with my router, I think it might be identd
22:10<testing>do you know if there are DoS attacks related to identd ?
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22:42<magyar>hi, what happen to gtk-qt-engine package for lenny?
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22:49<newsense>man getting a hostmask from oftc is like pulling a tooth compared to other networks but i like the sll option
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23:27<foxjazz>so what's the ubuntu net address?
23:28<gsimmons>foxjazz: Do you mean their IRC channel? It's #ubuntu @
23:29<foxjazz>anyone do any coding here?
23:30<foxjazz>I am wanting to do some linux coding
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23:45<tmg1|lorax>what could cause /dev/null to not be readable?
23:46<ranix>permission restriction
23:46<ranix>ls -l /dev/null
23:47<timmy_boy>foxjazz: sure, like C?
23:48<tmg1|lorax>c755 root,root 1,3(whatever that means)
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23:49<tmg1|lorax>actually I'm getting all sorts of weird behaviour(kde/gnome failing to start, no terminals would start when gnome was running, ssh not working from other computers(?)...I'm just trying to narrow it down)
23:49<ranix>tmg1|lorax: you sure you're having trouble reading it, not writing it?
23:50<ranix>that looks like writing
23:50<ranix>tmg1|lorax: chmod 666 /dev/null
23:51<ranix>you may have done some kind of chmod -r .* or something
23:51<ranix>I did that once, hit everything in ../
23:51<ranix>when trying to change .foo files in home directories
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23:52<tmg1|lorax>chmod went through
23:52<foxjazz>c++ or c#
23:52<foxjazz>I hate c (only)
23:53<ranix>lol this guy just said c#
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23:53<ranix>look out he might port .net
23:53<snogglethorpe>it's a laugh a minute on #debian
23:54<foxjazz>yea, I have ubuntu installed, I really hate the green screen command line crap
23:55<newsense>thats the best
23:55<newsense>not ubuntu the cli
23:55<ranix>d00d you need the matrix screensaver with that shit
23:56<foxjazz>what cli are you freaken talking about
23:56<newsense>what crap are you talkin about ?
23:56<timmy_boy>I didn't understand Stallman's brilliance until I ran gdb in emacs on a C program I was working on.
23:57<foxjazz>ok, well that's nice
23:57<newsense>yeh that shits real nice!
23:57<ranix>man I really want to hack me one of those gibsons
23:57<newsense>n what
23:57<ranix>mmmmmmm uh
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23:57<foxjazz>business people only like spread sheets, the don't make sense of green coding
23:58<newsense>than they got no business with it
23:58<foxjazz>that's why they kill IT, because IT is useless
23:59<ranix>shut up joey
23:59<tmg1|lorax>okay sdfafsdlaskfjfkjsdfsd;klfj
23:59<foxjazz>no, I am serious, our business fired 80% of IT last year
23:59<ranix>good, every IT asshole I talk to is dumber than asphalt
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