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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-07-31

---Logopened Thu Jul 31 00:00:07 2008
---Daychanged Thu Jul 31 2008
00:00<tmg1|lorax>was disconnected
00:00<newsense>i once worked in tech support and we layed off 60% at least
00:00<foxjazz>well see, programmers aren't valued by business anymore
00:00<newsense>ranix: i agree
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00:01<ranix>if I've had 10 IT guys who can install a printer without a mind-numbing hour of monotonous walkthrough, in the past three years, that's a lot
00:01<foxjazz>and it's mainly because programmers can't deliver
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00:01<ranix>the middle aged or older nurses are better, at least they don't ask retarded questions
00:02<ranix>if you tell them to flip a switch and they say 'ok' you can be reasonably certain they've done it
00:02<foxjazz>well most corporate executives are middle aged
00:02<newsense>i was the only person without ahigh school diploma and when they laid people off i stayed and 50+ people with college degree and certifications were gone
00:02<newsense>go figure
00:02<ranix>probably because you're not getting paid enough
00:03<foxjazz>I seccond that
00:03<newsense>no because i could walk a customer through a setup of a device faster than them
00:03<foxjazz>tech support doesn't pay well in my experience
00:04<newsense>no it doesnt
00:04<foxjazz>I mean the Indians seem to get better pay
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00:04<newsense>i did tech supprort for bfg and belkin
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00:04<newsense>bfg gave free video cards
00:04<ranix>I get $16 an hour to be basically the only "it guy" and the second line of tech support
00:04<ranix>it's not amazing
00:04<newsense>i got 14 for doing about 5 accounts
00:05<foxjazz>how do you aford to live on that?
00:05<newsense>my mom
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00:05<newsense>i do heating and air now
00:05<newsense>make better living
00:05<ranix>I don't eat much and I live in a shitty apartment
00:05<ranix>it works
00:05<newsense>make extra money on the side removing windows viruses
00:06<foxjazz>what programs you guys working on?
00:07<ranix>I'm halfassing an opengl/cairo/sdl thing to play D&D online over the interbutt
00:07<ranix>in my free time
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00:08*newsense isnt about to get yeled at for being offtopic again
00:08*newsense looks for abrotman
00:08<ranix>not like we're interrupting important conversations
00:09<newsense>let abrotman see it and youll hear about it
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00:35<themusicgod1>is there anything that needs specific permissions in order for root to login?
00:36<foxjazz>how do you install dpkg-dev?
00:36<jello>sudo apt-get install dpkg-dev
00:37<jello>themusicgod1: root login is disabled in sshd by default, is that what you mean?
00:37<themusicgod1>nono I mean my sy stem won\'t allow root login at all
00:37<jello>only root can't login?
00:37<themusicgod1>neither sudo, su or logging in on the consoles work
00:37<themusicgod1>as far as I know
00:38<jello>boot into single-user mode and fix it :)
00:38<themusicgod1>i'm afraid of booting with a system that won't let root to login while I have one working root console :S
00:38<themusicgod1>are you sure?
00:38<jello>oh, you have a console
00:38<jello>that's good
00:38*themusicgod1 is paranoid
00:39<jello>no, that's good paranoia
00:39<themusicgod1>I might have chmodded the wrong thing(I can get terminals/run gdm without issue/not getting socket errors from links anymore)
00:39<jello>what does /var/log/auth.log say about your failed root logins?
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00:41<valdyn>themusicgod1: what is the complete error message?
00:41<themusicgod1>that worked. so far so good(a file was world readable that shouldn't have been)
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01:04<jodoworsky>i have some web servers that keep getting flooded with traffic by bad people. what's a package that will let me notice DDOS traffic?
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01:09<EXchanger>EXchange ( Php- mailer send INBOX , smtp-mailer send INBOX , Sql-mailer , Usa ip , Updated Scam PAGES , Fresh mail Lists , Fresh Letters ) BY VALID CC !$$!
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01:15<jm_>jodoworsky: snort, or you could use rate limit iptables rules, but that's probably not very useful against people with bot farms
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01:16<jodoworsky>yeah, how do i defeat bot farm people ?
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01:28<pabs>is it possible to boot a LUKS-encrypted system purely from USB?
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02:46<rrm>hi room... what is the dif of etch 4.0r4 and etch and a half
02:47<gsimmons>!tell rrm -about etchnhalf
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02:49<the-dude>!tell the-dude -about etchnhalf
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02:54<blarson>!tell the-dude about selftell
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03:03<Woet>how do you use colors in echo?
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03:07<jm_>Woet: escape sequences
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03:11<jm_>echo -e '\e[37;1mex\e[32;1mam\e[22;32mp\e[32;1mml\e[37;1me\e[0m'
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03:50<bael>hello all
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04:09<noname>hi anyone
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04:22<ircMonkey>would anyone have a configuration file for ksensor?
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04:24<ircMonkey>because I have to do the configuration again each time I login.
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04:49<rogl5>hi everybody!
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04:51<rogl5>I have some problems while watching videos on youtube. Everytime I load some other page at the same time,it stops playing for a very short time.this is becoming very iritating. Any suggestions?
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05:38<beer> I will just hear if someone have tried to install the new nvidia driver (173.14.12) that have been released today and kde 4.1 from experimental. Does it still feel slugish
05:39<jm_>someone mentioned this yesterday with regards to konqueror: "nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1"
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05:42<beer>if it works I will try to install kde4.1 one more time (last time it was to slugish, and people did blame nvidia for it). But I will ttry again with nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1
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06:02<vnrvjiet>i wish to chat with a debian developer please!
06:04<vnrvjiet>i want a reason why the linux kernal is developed on c when c++ is a better version
06:04<vnrvjiet>can some here help me out?
06:05<buffoon_work>vnrvjiet, for most hardware specific things C is used instead of c++
06:06<vnrvjiet>reason please?
06:06<Cribozai>from times past, but thats just an uneducated guess
06:07<buffoon_work>you don't need classes, vectors and stuff to do something on hardware interrupts
06:07<jm_>read the lkml FAQ
06:08<vnrvjiet>another question: why is there a requirement to have c when c++ has all its features and is more efficient?
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06:08<dondelelcaro>vnrvjiet: ther'es no such requirement
06:09<Gekz_>vnrvjiet: clearly you have minimal understanding of kernels in general, because you're asking an operating system development team about a kernel that they don't develop.
06:10<dondelelcaro>vnrvjiet: the kernel is written in C because that's the language it's written in. If you write your own kernel, feel free to write it in whatever language you prefer.
06:10<vnrvjiet>sorry sir i have found no one to clear a few doubts hence i am searching for people who are professionals!
06:10<Gekz_>try searching on ##kernel on
06:10<Gekz_>that's usually a good place to start
06:11<dondelelcaro>um... you've just talked to a Developer, who has answered.
06:11<vnrvjiet>thank you sir , if possible i try to can you again sir
06:11<vnrvjiet>i mean catch u again
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06:12<Cribozai>don't can people, it sounds psychotic
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06:46<raph_ael_>someone has irmp3 ? it has some problems desinstalling cause the init script is broken and it can't be stopped
06:47<jm_>so fix it
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06:48<suiside>kill it by hand?
06:49<raph_ael_>well in fact i've just retried but it's not the script itself but desinsntalling that causes problem :
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06:50<jm_>it is the script
06:50<raph_ael_>there is a new package with a fix, but it can't install ;)
06:51<qq_>raph_ael_: use wget + dpkg -i
06:51<qq_>your new package
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07:59<disposable>if i run a script as root it works. but when i run it as a cron job, it doesn't. how can i see whatever the script prints on screen when it is being run as a cron job?
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08:02<themill>disposable: redirect output to a file. cron would normally email it to you. The normal cause of things like this is missing an environment variable such as not having the right PATH to find the command
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08:03<disposable>themill: thank you
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08:14<dpkg>hello, padski
08:14<raph_ael_>qq_: thanks
08:15<qq_>de rien
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08:19<raph_ael_>qq_: unfortunately it doesn't work
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08:25<mirkoh>Good day to everyone! Maybe someone can help me with troubles with module-assistant and kernel 2.6.24-etchnhalf ?
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08:29<mirkoh>does anybody read this?
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08:29<Cribozai>i did
08:29<mirkoh>thats nice.
08:29<Cribozai>pm me with the problem, i had quite the same issues
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08:29<mirkoh>cribozai, can you perhaps help me with module-assHow do i do that?
08:30<Cribozai>mirkoh, yes
08:30<Cribozai>just tell me what you need to do
08:30<mirkoh>I'd like to have modules for nvidia-kernel-legacy and gspca for etchnhalf kernel.
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08:31<Cribozai>ahh, nvidia-kernel... i did that on my computer too
08:31<mirkoh>did you succeed?
08:31<Cribozai>lemme check what i have. Not sure if i have legacy
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08:33<jc_>anybody uses lcd widescreen only console ?
08:33<mirkoh>the other one should do it as well.
08:33<Cribozai>i got legacy compiled and installed
08:34<mirkoh>did you do anything particular? Compilation ends with an error with me
08:34<Cribozai>ok, lemme think a sec
08:35<Cribozai>done m-a prepare?
08:35<mirkoh>yes, think so. I can try it again.
08:35<Cribozai>as root ofcourse
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08:36<mirkoh>of course ;-)
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08:36<Cribozai>does it ask you to get some files trough apt?
08:37<mirkoh>no, it has the -source packages theree. the compiler starts, and after a while encounters an error.
08:37<kipman>jc_ you mean with no xserver?
08:38<jm_>mirkoh: you need newer nvidia driver for 2.6.24
08:38<jc_>kipman this machine have only text no X
08:39<kipman>you want a high res terminal on your widescreen?
08:39<mirkoh>jm_, i tried nvidia-kernel as well, same problem.
08:40<jc_>no high res but no large fonts :)
08:40<jm_>mirkoh: does etchnhalf bring a new version of nvidia driver?
08:40<jm_>jc_: you can specify which font to use
08:40<jc_>ok, please... I verify...
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08:40<kipman>I have one the trick is that in menu.lst the modes is specified in decinary but the helper that loads if an incorrect mode is selected works in hex so for me 1280x1024 is 366 in hex but 870 in the menu.lst file
08:41<kipman>took a while to figure that out :P
08:41<mirkoh>jm_: I can't find one...
08:41<Cribozai>etchnhalf... never even heard of that
08:41<Cribozai>i got testing
08:41<jm_>mirkoh: you'll need a newer one
08:42<mirkoh>thats the stajm_: you mean from unstable?
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08:42<jc_>in the crt video no problem with size of fonts, but in the lcd 17 wide have distorced
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08:43<jc_>I have Fixed,Terminus,TerminusBold,TerminusBoldVGA and VGA
08:43<jm_>mirkoh: yes, but I am not sure if that'll work for you - do you have
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08:45<ranix>hey, I'm running clamscan and I get nothing from it
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08:45<mirkoh>jm_: I don't think I have it. How could I find it?
08:46<jm_>mirkoh: dpkg -S
08:46<ranix>usually it says "yo this version is outdated don't panic" and then it does some stuff. Right now, even though I did a successful scan last night, all clamscan does is make a .dbLock file in /var/lib/clamav and then hang
08:46<mirkoh>jm_: No I don't have it.
08:46<ranix>how do I fix that
08:46<jm_>mirkoh: well then I don't think it'll work using it - you can try but ...
08:47<mirkoh>jm: so how comes the old source code can't be build with the etchnhalf kernel?
08:47<jm_>mirkoh: because of the changes in the kernel
08:48<mirkoh>jm: and is there hope to wait for a package that can be compiled?
08:48<Cribozai>whats the difference betwean etchnhalf 2.6.24 and lenny 2.6.24? I Got legacy source compiled and installed
08:48<jm_>mirkoh: unlikely - you'd be better of using some slightly older version from sdn
08:49<jm_>mirkoh: which one do you need - normal or legacy? I am only talking about normal
08:49<Cribozai>normal did not work on 2.6.24
08:49<Cribozai>legacy did
08:49<themill>Cribozai: lenny no longer has 2.6.24 so one difference is that the etchnhalf kernel is supported by debian whereas the lenny 2.6.24 is not.
08:49<mirkoh>jm: both should be ok for my GPU
08:49<jc_>I need small fonts
08:50<Cribozai>themill: That just got me confused about my distibution identity ;)
08:50<mirkoh>I'd like to use a 2.6.24 kernel because of the bcm43 driver
08:50<jm_>mirkoh: which one is it?
08:50<mirkoh>jm: i tried to compile both source packages for etchnhalf kernel. both didnt work.
08:51<mirkoh>cribozai says, he got legacy compiled... I'd like to know how.
08:51<jm_>mirkoh: no which GPU is it
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08:51<jm_>mirkoh: but he's not using etch
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08:51<mirkoh>jm: GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go
08:51<Cribozai>i have Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid
08:51<jm_>mirkoh: then you need legacy
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08:52<Cribozai>i had etch and did a dist-upgrade to lenny beta1, and wont do a new dist-upgrade till the gnome-package breakage is fixed
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08:54<Cribozai>at least i think there is a breakage since my brothers computer didn't like the dist-upgrade
08:54<Cribozai>might be arch-specific tho
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08:56<mirkoh>ok another question: I have the same problem with the gspca driver. Any comments?
08:57<jm_>hmm i haven't tried using gspca lately
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08:58<chealer>mirkoh: you mean the etch's version doesn't compile with Linux 2.6.24 for everyone?
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08:59<mirkoh>chealer: here is what I did: I took the gspca source package and tried to build it using modass for kernel etchnhalf. CC ended with an error.
08:59<mirkoh>chealer: all from etch.
09:01<chealer>mirkoh: try determining whether other people got this problem
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09:01<jm_>mirkoh: grab it from lenny/sid and backport it
09:01<mirkoh>jm_: I have no idea how to do that...
09:01<padski>!simple sid backport
09:01<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
09:02<padski>but that probably doesm't apply does it. sorry!
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09:03<dpkg>uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision
09:03<qq_>!package recompile
09:03<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename 3) cd packagename-version/; (edit debian/rules to change compile options); (add entry to debian/changelog with version +yourname1 at the end) 5) cd ..; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us packagename 6) dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb
09:04<mirkoh>padski: that might well apply. I'll try.
09:05<jm_>padski: it does
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09:06<mirkoh>jm, padski, cribozai: thanks for your help
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09:07<jm_>mirkoh: the same procedure can be used for nvidia drivers too, but I am not sure if it'll run for you since new version wants
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09:07<jm_>you'll certainly be able to build it though
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09:16<jc_>exist another utility for console configuration besides console-setup ?
09:16<jm_>you can edit the file in /etc by hand
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09:22<jc_>jm_ console-setup/config ?
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09:24<jm_>jc_: yeah but there are also files in /etc/console
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09:26<christoph_>Hi. I want to downsize a NTFS partition via Debian installer. Can i loose data on this partition by using this tool?
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09:28<padski>christoph_, it is always possible for a filesystem resize to go horribly wrong. make a backup !
09:28<christoph_>Ah hundrets of GB.. but thanks :D
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09:32<padski>christoph_, either they are hundreds of GB you can afford to lose, or you should be making a backup :-)
09:32<disposable>christoph_: i've only had problems when i used partition tragic. the general rule is never to move the beginning of the partition, only the end.
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09:34<christoph_>I just started making a backup .. i will take several hours to calculate the time it takes.. but better than loose this stuff
09:34<christoph_>Thanks at all.
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09:44<compaq>christoph_, several hours to calculate? Have you heard of ftp? I backup at 1000mb/s
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09:55<fantasticmrfox>Lo, I'm installing etch using the USB cdrom drive - but it can't find the cdrom when it looks for them... what are my options (other than get another drive)
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09:55<fantasticmrfox>I know the model of the drive, an Artec BPN-KM52x16, but google isn't helping me work out if it should work - or what module I need to hand to the installer on a floppy
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09:56<fantasticmrfox>hmm r4 came out 4 days ago, any chance it'll have more cdrom modules?
09:58<padski>fantasticmrfox, r4 does sport a newer kernel
09:59<fantasticmrfox>23% downloaded :)
09:59<fantasticmrfox>is lenny still on course for september?
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10:00<padski>apparently so.
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10:01<themill>approximately... still lots of bugs to fix
10:01<themill>!lenny status
10:01<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>.
10:01<fantasticmrfox>I've been running lenny since april, think I would have been better with Etch + Backports tho
10:01<gsimmons>padski: That depends on the installer used. 4.0r4-* have 2.6.18, 4.0r4etchnhalf-* use 2.6.24.
10:01<fantasticmrfox>it is a little frustrating at times on a production machine... doh :)
10:01<padski>gsimmons, thanks, I didn't notice this
10:02<fantasticmrfox>its not etchnhalf
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10:43<Knight_Lord>After doing security updates in my debian stable LDAP server the local system is unable to use LDAP anymore, but remote clients can use it. Can anyone help me to figure out the problem?
10:43<Knight_Lord>I tried an ldapsearch query in the server and it seems to work so i don't quite know what the problem is
10:43<Knight_Lord>nsswitch looks fine
10:43<Knight_Lord>and libnss-ldap.conf also seems correct
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10:45<Knight_Lord>I'm also getting this messages nscd: nss_ldap: reconnecting to LDAP server...
10:45<Knight_Lord>where does nscd search for the ldap server?
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10:55<matttis>how do I find a package which contains a needed file ? ( is not found)
10:56<themill>dpkg: tell matttis about apt-file
10:58<matttis>themill, thx
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11:00<matttis>and what if the file's not found ?
11:00<matttis>(by apt-file)
11:00<ranix>you may need to compile from source
11:01<ranix>.so is a library object
11:01<ranix>what is it that you're trying to do?
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11:02<themill>libboost-thread-dev: usr/lib/ *might* be what you want
11:03<matttis>themill, already tried that, didn't work.
11:03<matttis>ranix, i want to start pokerth (version 0.62, non-installing version)
11:03<themill>*if* it's compatible then symlinking it in might work.. but this is desperation territory
11:04<n8r0x>how can I format a USB flash drive to a FAT filesystem? (aside from finding a windoz machine)
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11:06<petemc>n8r0x: mkfs.vfat
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11:07<buffoon_work>n8r0x, install dosfstools first
11:07<n8r0x>petemc: tks. got ana error msg invalid blocks count.. what does that mean?
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11:08<petemc>not sure, try googling for it
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11:08<hever>Hi how can I return the output of 'ls A* | wc -l' as status code? (I use this in a system call function)
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11:12<snogglethorpe>n8r0x: er, don't they usually come pre-formatted with a FAT filesystem?
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11:15<hever>or can I use an if statement or something to create status code ?
11:16<buffoon_work>hever, exit $('ls A* | wc -l')
11:16<buffoon_work>not tested but should work
11:18<hever>sh: ls A* | wc -l: command not found
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11:19<Cheatah>without the quotes, or with backticks
11:19<Cheatah>exit `ls A* | wc -l`
11:19<hever>ahh backticks jes
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11:23<Vanished>Hi, why can't I choose the type of file in the search bar on amule ?
11:25<hever>Cheatah, seems giving me a wrong value (768)
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11:30<Cheatah>hever: there is a maximum exit code
11:31<hever>ok but the output is "3"
11:32<hever>and will be really never more than max 3 in this case :)
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11:36<snoopy>Hi, I'm trying to get an EMC AX4-5 connected to a Debian system. The vendor-supplied installer only works with Redhat, so I'm trying to work around that. From Googling I *think* I need the qlogicfc kernel module, but it's not on my system. Is there a .deb I need to install to get it? Or am I barking up the wrong tree completely?
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11:38<matttis>this really kinda not works... any good alternatives to pokerth ?
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11:41<n8r0x>snogglethorpe: yes, but I made it ext3
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11:45<jmtechy>hi i was just wondering with the latest debian installer,, does it have kde4 built in? also does it detect i have 8gb ram and install server kernels?
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11:47<albe>Hi, does anybody know, how I can resize an ext2/3 partition (without loosing data)?
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11:49<padski>jmtechy, server kernels ?
11:49<albe>padski: Well, is there also an easy way with a tool such like parted?
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11:50<jmtechy>yes i dont want to install desktop kernels or 64bit
11:50<padski>albe, not sure, but I think parted will integrate that with partition table manipulations for you if you like.
11:50<jmtechy>server kerenels allow me to use all my ram in 32 bit
11:51<padski>jmtechy, I hadn't noticed that debian makes a desktop/server distinction in its kernel builds.
11:51<padski>jmtechy, pae ?
11:51<jmtechy>im not sure ima mandrivan wanting to testdrive debian
11:51<jmtechy>i have it on my eeepc
11:51<dpkg>Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines.
11:52<padski>jmtechy, not sure but I think pae is compiled into 686 and up kernels.
11:52<jmtechy>pae doesnt affect me unless im hardcore rendering wich i never do
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11:52<padski>jmtechy, I've never had to worry about it :-)
11:53<jmtechy>ok so debian default kernel willalow me to have acess to all my ram?
11:53<padski>I thought hardcore was all done with cameras ;-)
11:53<jmtechy>also is kde4 working in debian?
11:53<padski>jmtechy, as far as i am aware, but i am no expert
11:54<jmtechy>cause it dont work properly on mandriva
11:54<padski>jmtechy, same again.
11:54<amphi>I didn't know kde4 was really working properly at all
11:54<dpkg>it has been said that kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See ...
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11:55<jmtechy>does debian come with lxde or not?
11:55<jmtechy>i now the eepc does
11:56<hg87>jmtechy: have a look at
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12:03<hever>Hi is there a tool to list contents of a folder like "ls A*" but without error messages if no "A*" is found ?
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12:04<padski>ls A* 2>/dev/null
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12:07<hever>ah yes thanks
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12:39<frintsz>Подскажите плиз ... scsi0 : ahci
12:39<frintsz>ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
12:39<frintsz>ata1.00: ATA-7, max UDMA/133, 488397168 sectors: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
12:39<frintsz>ata1.00: ata1: dev 0 multi count 16
12:39<frintsz>ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
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12:40<frintsz>Подскажите плиз.. при загрузке очень долго проходит этот момент ...
12:40<frintsz>scsi0 : ahci
12:40<frintsz>ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
12:40<frintsz>ata1.00: ATA-7, max UDMA/133, 488397168 sectors: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
12:40<frintsz>ata1.00: ata1: dev 0 multi count 16
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12:43<frintsz>Подскажите плиз.. при загрузке очень долго проходит этот момент ...
12:43<frintsz>scsi0 : ahci
12:43<frintsz>ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
12:43<frintsz>ata1.00: ATA-7, max UDMA/133, 488397168 sectors: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
12:43<frintsz>ata1.00: ata1: dev 0 multi count 16
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12:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:43<stevecotton>oops, slightly too late
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12:45<themill>slow learner
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12:46<stevecotton>wonder if he/she can understand the English kick-reason?
12:47<themill>stevecotton: probably not... but you'd think that you'd get the message after the first two times
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12:53<padski>now that the etchnhalf kernell is out, will kernel DSAs go out for that and the 2.6.18 one ? (I'm imagining yes)
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13:05<Staale>How can I get a debian setup with php4 and php4-mysql? php4-mysql seems to conflict with all apache server installations.
13:06<Staale>(and also apache ofc, 1.3, 2.0 or 2.2 is all the same to me)
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13:07<themill>Staale: can you be convinced of PHP5 rather than PHP4?
13:07<Staale>no, I need to run ezpublish 3.8 to upgrade to 4.0, and that refuses to use php5
13:08<Staale>I need php4 to upgrade the stuff I am using to use php5
13:09<Staale>Maybe I should just install debian 3.0, as I believe that uses apache 1.3 and php4
13:10<themill>What version of debian do you currently have? cat /etc/debian_version
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13:11<Staale>I installed 4.0r4, and updated to testing, then unstable. I can use whatever version really, as I run it on a vmware server to not mess up with my main system.
13:12<themill>(as long as you have a plan for moving from php4 to php5 then all is good... php4 is old and unmaintained)
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13:12<themill>Staale: php4 was removed from debian some time ago. It's only in etch (4.0)
13:12<Staale>Only problem is that I need python2.5 and mercurial 1.0 to check out the source :(
13:12<dpkg>[php4 security] pretty poor, judging by their trackrecord. Note that since php4 is being abandoned by upstream (php5 was released some years ago after all!), it has been removed from debian for lenny onwards. If an application still hasn't been updated to work with PHP5, then you probably don't want to use it anyway.
13:13<themill>Staale: python2.5 is in etch and mercurial 1.0.1 is on You should stick with etch + etch-backports.
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13:14<Staale>I am just running stuff locally so I can update a site from ezpublish 3.7 (php4) to 4.0 (php5) - but I still need php4 working with mysql to perform the updates
13:14<themill>Staale: and as I said, if you want php4, you need to be running etch.
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13:15<Staale>I can't seem to find 3.1 isos though. Only 4.0r4
13:15<themill>Staale: etch is 4.0r4
13:15<themill>3.1 is sarge
13:16<Staale>I had etch in my apt.sources, and I still couldn't install both php4-mysql and apache2 at the same time (I could get php4 to work, but not with mysql)
13:16<themill>Staale: if you had apache2 and mysql from testing or unstable then you would not be able to install php4
13:17<stevecotton>you could try backing up all of /etc and /usr, then trying to install it with "dpkg --force". It's an option, if you're already considering having to install etch and the reinstall your system anyway.
13:17<Staale>Hmm.. I will try reinstalling again. Or is there some way to downgrade every package?
13:17<stevecotton>With emphasis on the "if"
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13:17<Staale>Or, I guess I fudged it when I updated to install mercurial 1.0
13:17<themill>Staale: downgrading is not likely to work... a fresh install of etch in a vm doesn't take long.
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13:17<themill>Staale: for mercurial, /msg dpkg
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13:18<themill>Staale: "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4 mysql-server php4-mysql ; a2enmod php4" should be sufficient.
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13:19<dytek>is there anything that can be done about bad ram?
13:20<Gathond>dytek: replace it
13:20<dytek>is it completely unusable?
13:20<Gathond>well there is a patch to avoid certain addresses, but I would not bother
13:20<Gathond>I would never trust it to actually work
13:21<Staale>themill, thanks alot for the help, I will try these things out'
13:21<themill>no worries. Have fun
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13:31<dytek>can you tell me more about this patch?
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13:32<dytek>ChanOp: how's it going?
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13:40<Staale>themill, I added backports to apt, but I still get old mercurial
13:43<enouf>dytek: what type of RAM specifically?
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13:44<amphi>dytek: it;s called 'badram' IIRC; you obtain bad addresses with memtest86 or some such, and pass ranges you want ignored to the kernel on its command line, I believe
13:44<amphi>dpkg: I've not ever used it myself, but I read something about it a long time ago
13:44<dpkg>You are moron #1, amphi
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13:45<themill>Staale: check the output of "apt-cache policy mercurial" do you see more than version listed? (use a pastebin)
13:46<denvik86>HELP FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
13:46<themill>denvik86: are you root?
13:46<denvik86>debian lenny
13:46<denvik86>i always install as root
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13:47<Staale>themill, too late, just downloaded the deb file manually and installed it
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13:48<themill>Staale: if you've got backports set up properly, the aptitude install -t etch-backports mercurial would work
13:48<denvik86>i'm under lenny
13:48<denvik86>lenny testing
13:49<tmg1|hardy>intentionally using defective ram sounds like a bad idea
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13:49<tmg1|hardy>you sure that's sane?
13:49<denvik86>modprobe -v fglrx
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13:49<denvik86>and when version listed? (use a pastebin)
13:49<denvik86><denvik86> HELP FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
13:49<cahoot>as root?
13:50<denvik86>i read in internet what i must stop radeon module (i'm use ati videocard)
13:50<themill>denvik86: modprobe -r radeon
13:50<Staale>themill, thanks, I will know that if I need more stuff.
13:51<denvik86>but on modprobe -r radeon it write what radeon in use
13:51<themill>denvik86: so stop using it... are you trying to do this from within a running X session?
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13:52<denvik86>then i try to use it without x
13:52<denvik86>radeon module unload but error still
13:52<denvik86>without x server i typing:
13:52<denvik86>modprobe -r radeon
13:53<denvik86>modprobe fglrx
13:53<denvik86>but he write
13:53<denvik86> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
13:53<denvik86>sorry for my bad eanglish
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13:54<themill>denvik86: what's the output of "whoami" when you are doing this?
13:55<denvik86>one moment
13:56<denvik86>i'm no noob
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13:56<denvik86>but in etch this error i don't see
13:56<denvik86>but in lenny error is
13:56<themill>denvik86: did you upgrade your kernel?
13:57<denvik86>i install lenny today
13:57<denvik86>i'm not modified it
13:57<themill>hmmm.. lenny has a 2.6.25 kernel
13:57<themill>does "lsmod | grep radeon" return anything?
13:57<denvik86>radeon 112096 1
13:57<denvik86>drm 74132 2 radeon
13:58<themill>this is without X running?
13:58<denvik86>under x now
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13:59<denvik86>i close console with installation driver 5 minuts ago
13:59<denvik86>i must start installation again?
13:59<denvik86>can i unload drm?
14:00<denvik86>i don't know how in do - unload drm
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14:12<tmg1|hardy>denvik86: isn't that an error with the inserting of the fglrx instead of removing the ati one?
14:14<tmg1|hardy>so fglrx is the correct driver you want right?
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14:17<denvik86>i'm understand you badly, i download this driver from website ati for my version videocard and debian
14:18<denvik86>maybi i must use other manual fo installing driver ati?
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14:18<themill>denvik86: did you download the driver from the ati website or did you use the debian package?
14:18<denvik86>ati website
14:19<denvik86>and whet i se this error i used driver from repository
14:19<denvik86>but it not help me
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14:22<themill>denvik86: I still haven't got a straight answer from you -- is X running when you try to "modprobe -r radeon"?
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14:24<denvik86>then x not running modprode -r radeon work correctly
14:24<denvik86>but then i enter next command - modprobe -v fglrx so error repeat
14:24<denvik86>without x server
14:25<denvik86>i begin hate this debian lenny
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14:26<themill>denvik86: are you trying to use the same kernel module with both etch and lenny?
14:26<amphi>denvik86: just hate fglrx
14:27<denvik86><themill> no
14:29<themill>denvik86: Sorry... I do not understand what you are doing. I would suggest that you follow the debian instructions for fglrx though, and you should upgrade your kernel to the kernel actually used in lenny and not the one you've got installed.
14:29<themill>!fglrx one-liner
14:29<dpkg>To install fglrx, first make sure you have <contrib> and <non-free sources> in your sources.list. Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:29<themill>denvik86: anyway... I've got to go... good luck with it
14:29<denvik86>i see this error on our russians forums but on this forums people reinstall fglrx and error go away, but i reinstall all packets thiw word fglrx but it not help me
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14:32<denvik86><dpkg> i do exactly how you say
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14:33<denvik86>but then i enter modprobe fglr i see this error about indexing fglrx
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14:37<Web>What's up with 4.0r4 ?
14:37<denvik86>and i'm not upgrade kernel
14:38<cahoot>denvik86: dpkg is a bot
14:38<Web>i'm updating tha mirror, but it looks everything will be replaced.
14:39<dpkg>hello, web
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14:39<denvik86>fucking lenny
14:39<Web>denvik86 - Why ?
14:39<denvik86>fucking fglrx
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14:40<denvik86>i go on desktopBSD
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14:41<Web>!kick denvik86
14:41*dpkg kicks denvik86 in the crotch.
14:41<soultcer>!kick denvik86
14:41*dpkg kicks denvik86 in the ass.
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14:42<fxiny> /part
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14:43<ApatheticSheep>howdy folks!
14:43*dpkg slams web against a large cement iMac, or <action> slams web against a large cement Tux
14:43<Web>Howdy Sheeeeeeeep
14:44<ApatheticSheep>I have a freshly installed debian/etch system ... I install apache and mysql-server and php5. i also install phpmyadmin and ip/phpmyadmin prompts to download a file .... while info.php executes properly. any suggestions?
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14:46<tmg1|hardy>what file
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14:47<ApatheticSheep>no name
14:47<Web>yeah what file......
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14:48<mdev>maybe php only allowed in the dir where info.php is or no?
14:48<ApatheticSheep>you have chosen to open <blank space> which is a: application/x-httpd-php
14:49<ApatheticSheep>everything I have installed was via apt-get ..... it worked yesterday on a diff sys
14:49<mdev>isnt it so that you need to config phpmyadmin first
14:49<mdev>or is that default nowedays
14:50<mdev>most of time when it download instead of view meaning it doesn't know how to handle
14:51<mdev>maybe you must add something to the config of apache?
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14:54<tmg1|hardy>ApatheticSheep: when you installed via apt-get did it ask if it could rewrite any files with the mainainer's version?
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14:54<tmg1|hardy>but blank is kind of weird
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15:02<ApatheticSheep>it didn't ask
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15:07<ApatheticSheep>it's like I don't have the AddType line. but I do as evidenced by the fact that info.php works
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15:09<mdev>maybe for content in there and not where phpmyadmin is located
15:10<mdev>i try install apache2 and mysql-server in vm but it take long time
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15:13<dpkg>hmm... phpmyadmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields.
15:14<ranix>that's a horrible name for that software
15:14<tmg1|hardy>ApatheticSheep: maybe it's a bug?
15:14<mdev>works out the box for me
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15:16<mdev>i installed apache2 mysql-server php5 and phpmyadmin
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15:18<ApatheticSheep>i installed apache
15:18<tmg1|hardy>instead of apache2?
15:18<mdev>not apache2
15:19<tmg1|hardy>was that the problem? or is that intentional?
15:19<ApatheticSheep>intentional but it worked last time i did it
15:19<tmg1|hardy>try apache2?
15:19<ApatheticSheep>maybe the pkg maint'r changed something
15:20<ApatheticSheep>nope same deal
15:20<tmg1|hardy>I've been 'upgraded' similarly. Some things do require apache2 these days, it's just strange that apt let you get away with it
15:20<ApatheticSheep>phpmyadmin should work with 1.3
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15:21<ApatheticSheep>does .... i had it working yesterday
15:21<mdev>1.3 is also good i think more stable
15:21<tmg1|hardy>what do your AddTypes direct to?
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15:22<mdev>phpmyadmin is installed elsewhere than where you run info.php from
15:22<ApatheticSheep>i know
15:24<ApatheticSheep>but the directives are the same as far as i can tell
15:24<tmg1|hardy>is there anything in mods-available that should be in mods-enabled ?
15:24<mdev>i now install the 1.3
15:25<cahoot>the ones you want enabled?
15:25<magyar_>hi keep getting these messages from my server I've tried dpkg-reconfigure locales also locale-gen
15:26<tmg1|hardy>man I've been getting those same errors since like woody :)
15:27<tmg1|hardy>e_CA.UTF-8 too
15:27<tmg1|hardy>er en
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15:27<mdev>after installing apache 1.3 with mysql phpmyadmin cannot find it
15:27<tmg1|hardy>I bet they go away if you don't use en_CA.UTF-8 right?
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15:37<Guest598>aaaaaaaa oszaleje :D
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15:45<jthomas>A few weeks ago I was looking into FireWire setup and apparently Debian is between ieee1394 stacks; does anyone know the status of this, if either is working at this point for firewire capture?
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15:47<magyar_>tmg1|hardy, they will go away if I set the locale
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16:16<valdyn>jthomas: which kernel are you talking about?
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16:25<jthomas>Lenny or Sid either (2.6.24 or 2.6.25)
16:25<jthomas>valdyn: ^^
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16:27<magyar_>looking for a package for bug viewing by number
16:27<stevecotton>querybts -w
16:28<stevecotton>(launch web browser)
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16:30<magyar_>stevecotton, thank you
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17:04<jrgl>hello, everyone
17:05<jrgl>I got a simple question about a bash script
17:06<jrgl>In my bash script, I tried to read some parameters from a file and put it to 'dialog'
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17:09<jrgl>partiton=""1" "Windows" "2" Linux""; dialog --menu "Choose one of the following" 11 60 2 $partition
17:10<jrgl>however the dialog complains that it can only get 4 parameters, instead of 6
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17:12<Lethalhamster>Hey ladies and Gents
17:15<Lethalhamster>Yikes... sorta dead here... I'm new here, if anyone cares
17:15<Lethalhamster>Hows everyone doin' today?
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17:18<Lethalhamster>Heya Dytek
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17:22<dytek>how do they make those pdf maps that get more detailed as you zoom in and you can see the streets, but at a lower magnification level you just see main roads and neighberhoods/cities, etc?
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17:24<Lethalhamster>Dunno man
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17:30<neekofab>My guess is they are vector based
17:30<dytek>vector based maps?
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17:34<Lethalhamster>You mean like the maps on Google Maps or something? I''ve never seen that as a pdf...
17:35<neekofab>pdf standar supports vector graphics
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17:36<fluor>hey there - I just made a fresh Debian Lenny AMD64 install on a MacBook2,1 laptop, apt-got iceweasel, and it just won't start, leaving no error message whatsoever - any idea where to look?
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17:38<fluor>explo: !!
17:38<qq>start iceweasel in a terminal
17:38<fluor>qq: that's what we did
17:38<qq>we ?
17:38<fluor>qq: I'm supporting explo in turning his good MacBook to the good side of the force
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17:45<qq>fluor: apt-get install --reinstall iceweasel
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17:45<qq>I hope you heve the right sources.list
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17:46<qq>*he has*
17:47<fluor>yes, we're pulling from unstable
17:47<fluor>but it happens to be the same version as in lenny at the very minute
17:48<explo>well I did the --reinstall twice... but still nothing
17:49<qq> iceweasel work fine here (on sid )
17:49<fluor>qq: here too, I have the same laptop, same version, and it works
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17:49<fluor>that's the reason why I'm looking towards enabling some log/debug
17:49<qq>memory /hard issues ?
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17:50<explo>and plus I had it 2 hours ago before I decided to reinstall my macbook
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17:50<qq>install my macbook ? why ?
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17:51<explo>well I had a unstable already ,
17:51<explo>but I wanted to trash my macos partition for a single boot
17:52<qq>and ?
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17:53<explo>qq: So I just made a whole new install on my comp... as usual
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17:53<explo>it's probably the 4th time I do it
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17:53<explo>but never had trouble with iceweasel
17:54<qq>me too , so dunno ,sry
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17:56<jthomas>try erasing the .mozilla folder from your home directory, explo ?
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17:57<explo>holy shit it just work
17:57<themill>tried -safe-mode?
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17:58<Tuplad>can I change the path where Frostwire is looking for java ? I did install java through aptitude and it's in /usr/bin/java but frostwire looks in /usr/java and /usr/lib/java
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17:58<themill>Tuplad: does Frostwire respect the JAVA_HOME variable?
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17:59<Tuplad>themill: seems not, how do I find out?
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18:03<themill>Tuplad: that packaging for frostwire is really really bad....
18:04<themill>Tuplad: do you have sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre installed?
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18:04<Tuplad>themill: 5
18:04<Tuplad>themill: maybe try making a shortcut in /usr/java ?
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18:06<themill>You could try editing /usr/lib/frostwire/ to not be so braindead about finding the java implementation.
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18:08<Tuplad>themill: where should I let it look, /usr/bin ?
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18:09<themill>I'd change line 34 to read JAVADIR=/usr/lib/jvm/java-5-sun ; JAVA_PROGRAM_DIR=$JAVADIR/bin ; return 0
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18:11<Tuplad>my file is kinda different
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18:12<Tuplad>themill: like this
18:12<themill>yeah, that's what I'm looking at, that change would short-circuit the rest of their crap
18:12<themill>err.. except line 30 in that paste.
18:13<themill>make a backup of the file and have a bash at fixing it...
18:13*Tuplad is confused :(
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18:17<Tuplad>themill: sorry mill, I dont get it
18:18<themill>Tuplad: what's the output of: command -v java
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18:19<Tuplad>themill: this
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18:20<themill>ahh... it doesn't like you using the free java even if you have the sun java installed.
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18:20<themill>try update-java-alternatives and pick the sun java
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18:20<Tuplad>themill: java-1.5.0-sun 53 /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun ?
18:21<themill>yeah, so update-java-alternatives --set java-1.5.0-sun
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18:21<Tuplad>themill: I got a bunch of "no alternatives for ..." responses
18:21<themill>yeah, that's fine
18:21<Tuplad>oh ok
18:21<themill>Tuplad: what does "java -version" give now
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18:21<themill>Tuplad: gij or sun?
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18:22<Tuplad>themill: java-1.5.0-sun 53 /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun
18:22<Tuplad>java version "1.5.0_16" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_16-b02) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_16-b02, mixed mode, sharing)
18:22<Tuplad>that's what java -version gives
18:23<Tuplad>and frostwire works 8)
18:23<Tuplad>thanks man!
18:24<themill>no worries
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18:25<Tuplad>anyone experiencing problems with amarok lately?
18:25<dpkg>well, amarok is THE audio player for KDE, or #amarok @
18:25<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: yes
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18:26<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: it just freezes with some tracks... some albums wont play at all
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18:26<exile><-- noob here. how do i enable the sid repositories in a debian based distro?
18:26<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: isn't that a problem with artsd rather than amarok?
18:26<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: is it ?
18:26<tmg1|hardy>exile: if you're a noob are you sure it's a good idea to be messing around with sid?
18:27<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: I tried running amarok through commandline and playing those tracks and amarok gave an error
18:27<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: do those play with any other media player that uses artsd?
18:27<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: it's not that I have no sound, but it just doesnt play, amazok freezes and I have to kill through console
18:27<themill>exile: If you're using something debian based and not debian, you don't want sid anyway. Also, if you have to ask, then you shouldn't go anywhere near sid.
18:27<exile>im a noob in the debian sense. i use gentoo and slackware on my other computers, and wanted to try 64studio
18:27<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: I use alsa
18:27<exile>just want gcc 4.3.1 so i can use the core2 optimization flag
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18:28<tmg1|hardy>exile: /etc/apt/sources.list will need to be changed, for starters, but there's more to it depending what you're doing
18:28<themill>exile: gcc 4.3.1 is in lenny. No need to go near sid.
18:28<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: and settings say "sound engine: xine"
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18:28<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: and yes, they play if I start it through totem
18:28<tmg1|hardy>any specific kind of file that you're running into issues with? what do the files have in common? or does it depend on something else?
18:29<exile>themill, how about both. i want all available repos. if i break it, i'll just fix it/learn to fix it
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18:29<themill>exile: you shouldn't mix different debian releases like that.
18:30<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: no idea, there are just some albums that play and others that dont, it happens randomly, but the SAME tracks wont play though, like for example, album of Raekwon would play 1 track and the second woul freeze, then the same happens with some other album
18:30<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: it really sucks ;\
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18:30<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: i know, i've given up on debian for music almost :/
18:30<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: hah, why?
18:30<themill>exile: also, if you're unable to ask these simple questions of google or read the documentation provided, then I doubt you're going to be able to fix the hard problems on your own. So you'll be back here asking for help. Why would we want to make more work for ourselves?
18:30<tmg1|hardy>there isn't anything like xmms/winamp anymore : (
18:31<tmg1|hardy>but that's my own damn fault for not stepping up to be the next xmms dev or whatever
18:31<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: are they mp3? ogg?
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18:31<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: all mp3
18:31<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: I never liked winamp or xmms anyway :o
18:32<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: in windows I used media monkey, I like those huge ass media centres
18:32<Tuplad>there goes another, album by block mccloud
18:32<Tuplad>first track alright, second track fails
18:33<Tuplad>like, it plays but amarok is frozen
18:33<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: I'd file a bug if I were you, I'm starting to run out of ideas
18:34<Web>!tell me about bugs
18:34<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: more on the mp3s though, does mp3check say anything about them(CAUTION: don't repair with that thing, it trashes data)
18:34<exile>ive been looking for the url for the unstable repo for like 20 minutes. either it's hidden or its called something else
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18:35<Web>lenny is testing sid is unstable
18:35<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: hm, never tried it
18:35<tmg1|hardy>exile: sid/unstable works. your sources.list usually list something else instead(like etch/testing)
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18:36<themill>exile: man sources.list
18:36<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: also, what kind of ID tags do they have? (ID3v2? v1?)
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18:36<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: no idea about the tags version
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18:37<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: protip: you can open mp3 files in a hex editor if you're really stuck for id3 tag editor. Just be careful not to write (unless you want to)
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18:38<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: :D how do I open it in hex?
18:38<tmg1|hardy>I believe id3v2 comes at the beginning
18:38<tmg1|hardy>and id3v1 comes at the end
18:38<Tuplad>I'm sorry man, begginer @ linux
18:38<tmg1|hardy>no problem.
18:38<RaZa>hmm, is there a command i can use to break down I/O network traffic on eth0 into the commands that's generating it.
18:38<tmg1|hardy>hexedit is probably one of the most useful packages imaginable
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18:40<tmg1|hardy>RaZa: commands that are generating it? As in who's got what socket and what the queue is on each connection is like(ie netstat?)? Or something else
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18:40<RaZa>aye, i think you're right with netstat
18:40<RaZa>stupid of me to miss that
18:41<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: why I'm asking about the tags as sometimes they can be "corrupted"
18:41<tmg1|hardy>just like the mp3 can be "corrupted"(mp3check kinda checks for that)
18:41<tmg1|hardy>but if neither the tag nor mp3 is corrupted(and even if it is, it shouldn't freeze a massive program like that)
18:42<Tuplad>is there a way to scroll directly to the end of file with hexedit?
18:42<tmg1|hardy>there is
18:42<tmg1|hardy>I believe
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18:42<tmg1|hardy>I think
18:42<Tuplad>for that file, it's at the end
18:43<Tuplad>I'll try mp3check
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18:43<tmg1|hardy>again, careful with mp3check
18:43<Tuplad>roger that
18:43<tmg1|hardy>at the end -> good in my experience, less chance of screwing up
18:43<tmg1|hardy>but if you see any funny characters or anything it might be a clue
18:43<Tuplad>mp3check -e ?
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18:44<tmg1|hardy>oh man my g/f's going to get home soon >_> <_<
18:44<RaZa>hmm, it appears my usenet client has gone awol :s. netstat is showing vast traffic using *server*:nntp... don't we just hate it when things go wrong and generate vast amounts of random traffic :s
18:44<Tuplad>my gf is out with one of her girlfriends try to get a threesome for us, so yeah I'm good
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18:45<RaZa>gud for you Tuplad ;)
18:45<Tuplad>RaZa: it is, but it was meant for tmg1|hardy actually :P
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18:46<stevecotton>tmg1|hardy: from what I've heard, xmms is unmaintainable. Audacious is a fork of the codebase; and the bits of the source that I've looked at are lacking in comments, except for the fork team adding stuff like "what the hell".
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18:46<RaZa>i know, but gud 4 u all the same
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18:46<tmg1|hardy>stevecotton: sounds about right
18:46<RaZa>stevecotton: xmms still owns audacious in my books
18:46<Tuplad>RaZa: :D
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18:47<Tuplad>isnt Exaile good?
18:47<tmg1|hardy>stevecotton: the parts of the xmms code that I've looked through(and narrowed down bugs into) are pretty much completely opaque
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18:48<Tuplad>RaZa: yea
18:48<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: -e, maybe -a too I thnk yea
18:49<RaZa>arr, very nice. I only checked the etch repo's didnt bother with google :p
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18:49<RaZa>i personally don't like a bloated media player so for video i use vlc & for audio i use xmms
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18:49<RaZa>both nice n efficient
18:50<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: looks like there's no prob with it
18:50<Tuplad>RaZa: for video: mplayer and for audio: amarok
18:50<Tuplad>RaZa: looks like I prefer bloated media players :D
18:50<tmg1|hardy>nothing inherently wrong with that
18:50<RaZa>if mplayer is bloated then i'll be damned :p
18:50<tmg1|hardy>especially if your hardware supports it, and nothing breaks ;)
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18:51<Tuplad>oh I want that media centre, songbird, looks pretty leet
18:51<kipman>I like xmms but I can never get it to complie with flac support :(
18:52<kipman>so I use alsa player
18:52<raevol>Tuplad, i'm following that one too, wish they'd get it into debian repositories
18:52<amphi>kipman: quodlibet is quite nice IMHO, if you want a GUI player
18:52<RaZa>kipman, there's a debian plugin for xmms, so you don;t have to compile it with flac. You just get the plugin
18:52<kipman>from the repos?
18:52<tmg1|hardy>a group in one of my cs classes made a media player that was fast, powerful, and intended on releasing it on sourceforge. I think they just forgot about it though :(
18:53<RaZa>kipman: it's called xmms-flac
18:53<Tuplad>raevol: yep :)
18:53<kipman>is it in the testing repos?
18:53<RaZa>it's in etch so it should be in testing also
18:53<tmg1|hardy>RaZa: i thought they got rid of the xmms-flac package?
18:54<tmg1|hardy>due to xmms being obsoleted
18:54<RaZa>it's here in AMD64 etch
18:54<kipman>yeah thats the problem I had :(
18:54<kipman>xmms is not obsolete though it's better than the others for just playing music
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18:54<kipman>not available in lenny
18:54<RaZa>aye, i don't even use xmms2... the original is ftw
18:54<tmg1|hardy>kipman: i agree, but as stevecotton says, there are problems with it in the sense that it is a component of debian
18:54<themill>kipman: it is... it's unmaintained and buggy, which makes it obsolete.
18:55<RaZa>i've never found a bug in it
18:55<dpkg>methinks xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see For alternatives, look at <xmms2>, <rhythmbox>, <amarok>, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see for removal reasons
18:55<RaZa>it's never given me grief :p
18:55<tmg1|hardy>exaile eh
18:55<RaZa>rhythmbox is truly disgusting :p
18:56<themill>It's also one of the last remaining packages that use gtk1... getting rid of gtk1 is a good thing for debian
18:56<tmg1|hardy>xmms on nfs + mp3v2 files with unicode + library of over 10,000 files -> asking for trouble
18:56<tmg1|hardy>I have probably lost 3 months of my life to that one
18:56<tmg1|hardy>at least :)
18:56<tmg1|hardy>themill: this is something I've never understood
18:57<tmg1|hardy>can you do everything you can do with gtk1 with gtk2?
18:57<Tuplad>RaZa: agree
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18:57<Nemoder>isn't audacious pretty much just xmms converted to gtk2?
18:57<tmg1|hardy>gtk2 seems to have a higher stack of stuff to execute in order to do anything, just like sdl, compared to gtk1
18:57<themill>tmg1|hardy: only with substantial rewriting, I imagine. That's what spawned the xmms2 project (and others)
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18:58<tmg1|hardy>granted, it probably is way easier to code/think in
18:58<RaZa>Nemoder: essentially yes
18:58<tmg1|hardy>and that might make the difference
18:58<stevecotton>audacious is showing bugs that are easy to encounter, but that can at least be fixed (even if that won't happen until the 2.0 release). But I'd rather have that than whatever buffer-overflow exploits might be lurking in xmms.
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18:59<tmg1|hardy>Tuplad: i'd get my debugger out and start playing around with amarok but I broke gdb :(
18:59<Nemoder>I suppose on really old systems you might want the smaller cpu/memory footprint of gtk1
18:59<Tuplad>tmg1|hardy: :(
19:00<RaZa>on a new system that you want to kick ass you might want gtk1 Nemoder ;)
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19:00<tmg1|hardy>or a new system that is just built really really low level/inexpensively
19:00<RaZa>in the great words of Tesco.... every little helps
19:00<tmg1|hardy>there was an article on a chinese company that is making 100$ laptops
19:00<tmg1|hardy>they suck
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19:00<RaZa>that's just stupid
19:01<RaZa>its probably acer :p
19:01<tmg1|hardy>but the point is that most people don't even have a computer with internet access
19:01<tmg1|hardy>or anything of the sort
19:01<RaZa>oh, in the world
19:01<RaZa>lol, i was thinking uk... here if u dnt have one u should be hung
19:02<tmg1|hardy>hell in uk I thought pretty much everyone has mobile computers/phones of some sort
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19:02<kipman>I have 15 computers although I use one there welcome to an old one of mine I can't bear to just throw them away
19:02<Tuplad>I think budget computers are GREAT
19:02<Tuplad>even if I did have the money
19:02<Tuplad>I'm a broke student for example
19:02<Tuplad>but I'm an extremist
19:02<RaZa>aye Tuplad, i built the rig I'm sitting at now mostly of parts off of ebay
19:02<drone77>kipman, same here
19:02<Tuplad>RaZa: fat!
19:03<Tuplad>RaZa: um, DOPE!
19:03<tmg1|hardy> neat
19:03<RaZa>a mate of mine spent 2,000 quid on one, just for me to prove that mine was better :p
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19:04<tmg1|hardy>I wonder how close can get to the people who have computers
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19:04<RaZa>poor fellow, felt like a pillack
19:04<kipman>budget computers annoy me as I use one and dream of having multi core.
19:04<RaZa>i have multicore
19:04<RaZa>see Pentium D, it's nocona and only 30 quid
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19:04<RaZa>brilliant for OC'ing
19:04<mdev>2 quad?
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19:05<kipman>I would need to upgrade everyhing to get multi core Im on skt754
19:05<Tuplad>I'm off to sleep fellas!
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19:05<Tuplad>peace out
19:05<RaZa>sometimes starting from scratch is gud kipman
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19:07<stephen>hello everyone..
19:07<kipman>RaZa, not if your about to go to uni and have only £200 in the bank :/
19:07<mdev>hello you
19:07<Phoul>Umm... is something wrong with the video support in lenny at the moment... No AVI files will play for me when yesterday they were fine.
19:07<stephen>Im doing a quick script to join every second line in a file to the end of the first.. could someone show me a quicker way of doing it?
19:08<stephen>preferably a one liner..
19:08<kipman>Phoul, I will just check
19:08<stephen>eg line 1 myname
19:08<stephen>line 2 213234234
19:08<stephen>and so on..
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19:09<stephen>I know this is slightly off topic.. but im the biggest debian fan :-) blinks eyes like little girl
19:09<RaZa>kipman, i have less than 200 quid in the bank, but would still happily build a system of equal power to my own (~6GHz EM64T nocona intel with all the fancy crap like SSE3) for the 200quid
19:09<mdev>are you use c?
19:10<kipman>Phoul, 2fast2 furious works in gmplayer with sully uptodate lenny
19:10<stephen>mdev you can use whatever lang you like :-)
19:10<kipman>complete with accelerated texture vidio :D
19:10<stevecotton>gack - back to the audio players - Exaile has had an "execute arbitary code" bug since 2007 - #451303
19:11<kipman>whats your graphics card?
19:11<kipman>mine also
19:11<kipman>x1950pro agp
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19:11<tmg1|hardy>Phoul: did you do an update or something today/yesterday?
19:11<Phoul>Its working again now...
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19:11<kipman>computer gremlins
19:11<tmg1|hardy>stephen: quicker than what?
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19:12<Phoul>Is debian-multimedia a 'supported' mirror
19:12<Phoul>Im just wondering if i were to add it if i would like insta bork my system
19:12<RaZa>Phoul, couldn;t be a hradware problem, what with it being intermittant like that?
19:12<RaZa>^^my spelling there was dreadful, sorry
19:13<kipman>don't think debian multimedia is an offical onebut I may be wrong I am relativly new to debian
19:13<tmg1|hardy>Phoul: well, keep an eye on it then
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19:13<tmg1|hardy>Phoul: debian multimedia mirror?
19:13<tmg1|hardy>oh wait
19:13<tmg1|hardy>you mean add it to sources.list?
19:14<tmg1|hardy>you know you can make an apt preference file to safely allow you to do that right?
19:14<RaZa>debian multimedia is not official
19:14<tmg1|hardy>ideally sources.list only provides you with material which apt *can* install, not does. but the apt preferences file allows you to fine tunet hat
19:14<Phoul>Im not entirely sure how to use apt preferences
19:14<stephen>tmg1|hardy cat file | xargs -n 2 | awk '{ print $1";"$2 }'
19:14<tmg1|hardy>man apt preferences
19:15<tmg1|hardy>apt.conf i think
19:15<stephen>tmg1|hardy the problem with that command is if there is a space in one of the lines.. It will mess up..
19:15<stephen>tmg1|hardy i need to be able to do line by line.. not by arguements.. but its the only way I can come up with
19:16<tmg1|hardy>stephen: are you using 'line' in your script?
19:16<stephen>awk '{printf $0 ";"; getline; print $0}' file fixed it
19:16<tmg1|hardy>stephen: so it works now?
19:16<stephen>tmg1|hardy yes.. thanks.. I did a quick google and got lucky :-)
19:16<stephen>tmg1|hardy I spent ficken hours at this..
19:16<stephen>Thanks for the help :-)
19:17<stephen>tmg1|hardy thanks for the help thio!
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20:01<gass>hello there
20:01<gass>bzed, can you check
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20:01<gass>what is the var to include in debian/rules that states the python version
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20:02<gass> $(PYVER) states 2.5 only
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20:02<gass>when trac is built against 2.4, $(PYVER) stays 2.5
20:05<gass>anyone from python team?
20:05<gass>that can give a hand?
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21:23<roccity>anyone have experiance with phillips gogear and amarok
21:23<roccity>having troubel with listening to music on it
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22:09<Phoul>Hello everyone, are there any gnome-panel modules that will show system temp if the sensers are setup
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22:09<EricB>I think there is a gnome lm sensors applet
22:10<dytek>what about kde?
22:11<Phoul>Theres a desklet... im looking for like a gnome-panel applet
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22:17<dytek>yeah. but i'm looking for a kde one :)
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22:23<chealer>dytek: ksensors
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22:47<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
22:47<Lounge>hout'bout laff?
22:50<Lounge>i like how he switches from mac to linux to vista and back'n'4th
22:50<Phoul>anyone else having issues with xargs in lenny
22:50<Phoul>i cant get simple stuff to work..
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22:51<madi>hi i need help
22:52<madi>cana nyone help me?
22:53<madi>ok so i had 4 fish 1 angel fiah 1 platy 1mollie and one glofish
22:53<madi>the angel fish mollie and glofish died
22:54<Pryon>apt-get remove --purge
22:54<madi>those three were gulping for air andnot even trying to swim just before they died
22:54<madi>i already removed the three dead
22:55<madi>do you no what might of caused their death
22:55<Pryon>disease or water chemistry problem, probably.
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22:55<madi>well so i got 3 more platys sense the one platy survived
22:56<madi>and i have 2 bigger shinnier platys then the other 2
22:56<madi>and the big shiny 2 keep on bullying the survier
22:56<qq>madi: ?
22:57<qq>wrong chan ?
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22:58<madi>do you no why they are bullying is it because he is weaker or is it because the are trying to form a rank?
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22:59<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
22:59<madi>if im on a channel that im not supposed to be on or whatever im new so sorry
22:59<qq>madi: here we talk about any really water fish
22:59<madi>huh really water fish wat
23:00<flypiper>stripers are the best eating
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23:00<madi>wat can anyone help me with me problem
23:00<flypiper>but walleye also like green worms
23:01<madi>waqtever im otta here
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23:02<Lounge>waqtever is better
23:03<RIVE>Is Debian AMD64 the rigth choice for a Xeon micro?
23:04<Lounge>if its 64bit? then yeah
23:05<RIVE>Yes 64bit. Xeon Quad Core E5310
23:05<Lounge>see if it works with a amd64 livecd before you install
23:05<Lounge>like try a ubuntu amd64 live cd - if it works then you should be able to install deb amd 64
23:06<chealer>Lounge: why would you do that?
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23:07<chealer>RIVE: it's a choice. you could also use i386.
23:07<Lounge>someone from yesterday said they tried to install debian in a xeon quad and it kept rebooting in the middle of installation
23:07<RIVE>I didn't expres well i know it will install, what i'm tring to ask is, if it's good?
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23:08<Lounge>should be good as long as the apps you want are 64bit supported i think
23:08<RIVE>I'm already installing etch and a half AMD64 in it, i only want to be sure if x386 could be better.
23:08<chealer>RIVE: the answer is the same as for any other CPU, except we can guess that's going to be a server, so no need to bother about Sun Java and other desktop apps.
23:09<Lounge>i think x386 is 32 bit
23:09<RIVE>Thanks chealer, i don't need java in this server.
23:10<RIVE>Is only for NAT, firewall and web server.
23:10<qq>how much ram ?
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23:11<jello>RIVE: use amd64
23:11<RIVE>qq 2G
23:12<qq>RIVE: it's ok
23:13<RIVE>Ok, thanks, already boot in standard system, will install ssh to work fron mi desktop.
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23:14<jello>!greet siva
23:14<dpkg>Moo, siva
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23:14<siva>i just want to list the packages installed on my system
23:14<siva>and to see the version of mysql installed
23:14<jello>siva: dpkg --get-selections | grep install
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23:14<jello>siva: dpkg -l mysql\*
23:15<jello>or perhaps: dpkg -l mysql\* | grep ^ii
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23:16<jello>siva: or use a package manager with a ui... ;)
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23:17<siva>tks gys
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23:18<dytek>anyone see that presentation online a WHILE ago where some guy was demonstrating some new software that his company was working on? it allowed him to type in something like "times square" and the application would create a 3d virtualization from a few thousand images grabbed from flikr or some other image site and you could also go in and view each individual image.?
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23:23<neoaddict>for an unknown reason, my mouse is acting funny - for example, once i click on a menu in GNOME and i release the button, it vanishes and if i click one of my panel quick launchers, nothing happens. any ideas?
23:23<Gokee2>Hello all, I am trying to make nvidia work on my computer. Everything keeps yelling at me about having a Xen kernel. How do I get a non-Xen kernel? Thanks
23:25<RIVE>Gokee2, same problem with my lap, i'm still using kernel
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23:27<siva>any quick links for heartbeat
23:28<Gokee2>RIVE, Hmm I just ran through an update (It had been a while as I had not bothered to clear out space and it needed 2,5 gigs of stuff downloaded and room to install) and it said it was running 2.6.25-2-686
23:29<qq>Gokee2: uname -r
23:30<RIVE>Yes Gokee2, that nvidia binary tell me that is a Xen kernel, so i use the last that works.
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23:31<siva>yep HA heartbeat
23:32<jello>siva: apt-cache search heartbeat
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23:33<RIVE>Gokee2, maybe if i try to install de Nvidia driver "teh debian way" works.
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23:34<Gokee2>RIVE, I have just tried both ways. THe debian way gives me the same problem with Xen
23:34<siva>i am having trouble building server
23:34<siva>i hav installed
23:35<dytek>let me know which kernel you decide on that lets you install NVIDIA
23:35<dytek>if you are going for the most recent one that will
23:36<RIVE>dytek, 2.6.25-2-686 that's the one.
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23:36<dytek>thought you said that one was xen?
23:37<RIVE>The Nvidia binary send that error, says thats the Xen module is active so can't complete the install.
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23:50<Gokee2>RIVE, Did you see ? Looks like its broke....
23:51<RIVE>Letme check that.
23:52<RIVE>It's the same problem, is already reported, so we have to wait.
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23:52<jello>yes, it's not even debian specific
23:52<jello>fedora got hit with this too...
23:53<Gokee2>I guess I will just have to use nv for the time being :/
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23:54<dytek>how is using nv working/
23:55<RIVE>dytek, i choose to use the old kernel, didn't try nv.
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