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---Logopened Fri Aug 01 00:00:09 2008
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00:05<Gokee2>This is really odd. I switched over to nv and my xserver still won`t start, I can`t figure out why though, I don`t see any error that should stop it in the log. http://pastebin.com/d1fda431c anyone see whats wrong? Thanks
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00:06<siva>nay help on kernel tuning
00:06<siva>pls
00:07<jello>Gokee2: strange...
00:07<jello>Gokee2: this is with startx or *dm ?
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00:08<Gokee2>startx
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00:10<qq>Linux gokee2 2.6.25-2-686 ?
00:10<Gokee2>Ya
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00:10<qq>Gokee2: that your kernel ?
00:11<Gokee2>qq, Yes
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00:11<siva>any help on kernel tuning?
00:11<qq>not a debian ?
00:11<Gokee2>I mean its the stock debian one
00:11<qq>Current Operating System: Linux gokee2 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 18 17:46:56
00:12<Gokee2>Ya
00:13<qq>ok ,
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00:13<jello>Gokee2: is that the entire thing? it looks ok to me...
00:14<qq>gnome , kde ?
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00:15<qq>Gokee2: try, as root: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
00:16<qq>if gnome
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00:36<Gokee2>Sorry, my Dad wanted a hand and it took awile
00:36<Gokee2>awhile*
00:37<Gokee2>qq I don`t use gdm/kdm/etc so that would not do much...
00:37<Gokee2>jello, Yes, thats the whole thing, the only thing wrong is the xserver is not started....
00:38<jello>Gokee2: does ps show it running?
00:38<Gokee2>jello, nope
00:39<Gokee2>And it dumps me back to the prompt so I don`t see how it could be unless it magically backgrounded itself...
00:40<jello>try ctrl-alt-f7
00:40<Gokee2>The other odd thing is that x has a ling through the center on the prompt... A font type I have never seen used before
00:40<Gokee2>Gives me a blinking underscore at the top left of the screen
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00:41<Gokee2>and c has a black line right through the center
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00:45<Gokee2>Ahha figured it out. Root owned .DCOPserver_gokee2_localhost_10 .DCOPserver_gokee2_localhost:10 -> /home/gokee2/.DCOPserver_gokee2_localhost_10 and .ICEauthority
00:45<jello>that'll do it....
00:45<Gokee2>I got rid of those files and it started right up :)
00:46<Gokee2>Sometimes I like ubuntu, but you never get to do any fun problem finding with it :/
00:48<jello>hehe
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00:51<RIVE>Ubuntu for me show mw the way to use Debian.
00:51<RIVE>*me
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00:54<vook>you've gotta watch the advice you receive in their channel though. It's very unruly and largely unmoderated.
00:55<snogglethorpe>vook: who's they?
00:55<snogglethorpe>vook: ubunutu?
00:56<vook>they being #ubuntu on freenode, as compared to #debian on oftc.
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01:06<neoaddict>for an unknown reason, my mouse is acting funny - for example, once i click on a menu in GNOME and i release the button, it vanishes and if i click one of my panel quick launchers, nothing happens. any ideas?
01:06<neoaddict>tried with a diff mouse, same problem
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01:12<vook>do you have any accessibility features turned on ? System>Prefs>Mouse
01:13<neoaddict>nope
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01:13<sorin-mihai_>i have a strange problem with pppoe.
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01:14<sorin-mihai>Aug 1 08:12:24 k8n pppd[1892]: No response to 3 echo-requests
01:14<sorin-mihai>Aug 1 08:12:24 k8n pppd[1892]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
01:14<sorin-mihai>Aug 1 08:12:24 k8n pppd[1892]: Connect time 4.0 minutes.
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01:15<sorin-mihai>what is this?
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01:32<sisto>!help
01:33<sisto>wow
01:33<sisto>your bot has artificial intelligence
01:33<sisto>pretty cool
01:33<sisto>where can I read about it?
01:34<sisto> /msg bots NOT people
01:34<sisto>:P
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01:46<philsf>the docs for sensible-mda are actually sendmail's docs, is that correct? I know this was done originally for sendmail, but since it was split out, shouldn't it at least have a README and changelog of its own?
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02:11<khalil>hi everybody!
02:12<svh>how do i get alien on a shell so i can convert rpm to deb files
02:12<khalil>look for it in google
02:13<jm_>alien is packaged
02:13<khalil>yes i've just read it
02:14<khalil>apt-get install alien
02:15<svh>don't you have to use it in a shell to use alien
02:17<vook>--help / man alien
02:17<khalil>rpm to deb: alien -d file.rpm
02:18<jm_>you better stop using alien now if you are not familiar with such basic steps
02:20<svh>i need to know how to get alien on the command line
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02:21<khalil>do you want to install alien on the command line ?
02:22<khalil>or do you want to use alien on the command line ?
02:22<svh>boyh
02:22<khalil>ok
02:22<svh>both
02:22<khalil>type apt-get install alien
02:22<khalil>on the command line
02:23<khalil>then press enter
02:23*vook is taking notes
02:24<khalil>then when everything is downloaded type: alien --help
02:24<khalil>to get how it works
02:25<svh>thakyou
02:25<khalil>you are welcome :)
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02:41<philsf>do I have to reboot after a lvm2 upgrade?
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02:56<philsf>do I have to reboot after a lvm2 upgrade?
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02:59<enouf>philsf: what do the changelogs and docs say?
03:01<philsf>enouf: actually, I just lost connection with the machine, but I didn't see anything explicitly telling me to
03:01<philsf>just "new upstream", and minor corrections
03:02<philsf>so for lvm a reboot is not impllied?
03:02<enouf>philsf: I would also imagine it depends - on what else also got upgraded - and.. upgrded from WHAT to WHAT
03:02<enouf>were you using lvm3 prior?
03:02<enouf>erm 2
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03:03<philsf>yes, lvm2 to lvm2
03:03<philsf>running lenny
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03:06<vnrvjiet>can anyone help me out regarding programming languages used to design an operating system?
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03:09<vnrvjiet>is anyone free to chat on programming languages?
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03:13<Komaru>Righty-oh then.
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03:17<morgan`>hi
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03:34<Gokee2>vook, Any advice I get from #ubuntu normally involves clicking through fifty menus :0 Then I try and make debian have the same problem so I can ask there...
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04:25<vltre>ciao
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04:36<salutis>hello all. it's possible perform installation of package with apt-get or aptitude _without_ starting of service? for example - install 'ssh' package, but _only_ install, not start daemon
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04:38<jm_>yeah
04:38<thux>hi, wonder where should put firmwares in lenny? tried /lib/firmware/ and /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ but doesn't load from there?
04:39<petemc>Anon1235: you're not editing a file when you press e, but the kernel line that grub will use
04:39<gsimmons>thux: Firmware for what device?
04:39<thux>gsimmons: zd1211rw
04:39<petemc>erm, wrong channel
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04:41<thux>zd1211rw 5-3:1.0: couldn't load firmware. Error number -2
04:41<gsimmons>thux: /lib/firmware/zd1211, but this would be done for you upon installation of the 'zd1211-firmware' package.
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04:42<thux>gsimmons: thanks
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04:56<blarson>t@h working on prio 4 again... most of western US still needs rendered.
04:57<blarson>ECHAN
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04:58<jifix>where lenny will be the nwxt stable?
04:58<petemc>theres talk of september
04:58<jifix>does anyone have an idea?
04:59<jifix>thanks
04:59<jifix>i am waiting
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05:02<gimpfenlord>hi
05:02<gimpfenlord>i need help with the FTP server on Knoppix
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05:03<jm_>!knoppix
05:03<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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06:45<robertD>how is mounting controlled in a normal boot (by 'normal' I mean oposite of single user mode)?
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06:47<amphi>grep mount /etc/init.d/* ?
06:49<robertD>I'm sorry, I'm really new to linux so you'll have to explain what this command does?
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06:51<amphi>searches for 'mount' in the boot scripts in /etc/init.d
06:52<robertD>yes, I understad that, but how does it help me? :)
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06:52<robertD>the problem is, I can't reach other partitions from linux in a normal user mode
06:52<robertD>and I don't know how to fix this
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06:53<robertD>everything works ok when I boot in a signel user mode
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06:54<Nemoder>robertD: you can set filesystem permissions with umasks in /etc/fstab
06:56<robertD>Nemoder: how?
06:57<robertD>Nemoder: do I just add 'user' to options in /etc/fstab?
06:58<Nemoder>read the manuals for fstab and mount, or search google for a howto
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07:01<robertD>yes, I read that, but I don't understand what is the connection between normal mode and single user mode? is /etc/fstab the main thing for both?
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07:06<Nemoder>single user mode gives you root permissions, you could accomplish the same by just logging in as root
07:07<petemc>not quite
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07:08<petemc>its a very basic system with no services started, often used for trouble shootung
07:08<petemc>s/ung/ing/
07:08<Nemoder>as far as accessing his partitions I mean
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07:15<joko>Hi. Is there any rep with VMware Professional?
07:15<robertD>well when I needed to automount ntfs partition in a single user mode, I just edited /etc/fstab and it worked. I tought /etc/fstab is the same for any user. Is it?
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07:15<jm_>man fstab mount
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07:19<SAN>Hi friends , i am going to install cluster in debian. please tell me about cluster
07:20<gsimmons>!tell SAN -about cluster
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07:21<SAN>yes, i need to install cluster , may i know which one is better
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07:22<SAN><gsimmons>yes, i need to install cluster , may i know which one is better
07:23<SAN> <gsimmons> i saw linux-ha , is it better suits
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07:45<mhash>SAN: you need to tell us more about what you want the cluster to do
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07:45<mhash>"setting up a debian cluster" makes no sense
07:47<robertD>Nemoder: thanks for help with my mounting problem, it works now (had to reboot).
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07:49<tompan>hi i have a problem compiling a module for my nslu2 on debian ethc, i get this error: gcc-4.1: -msoft-float and -mhard_float may not be used together
07:49<tompan>anyone?
07:49<SAN><mhash> ok tell me any reason, but in my org , they want to do on cluster
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07:55<padski>tompan, what is the qeustion ?
07:55<mhash>SAN: usually you cluster a service -- these would typically be either a) file system, or b) a service running on debian -- so, what are you looking to cluster?
07:56<padski>the term "cluster" is used for a mlutitude of different sins ;-)
07:57<mhash>what I said also barely makes sense because file services would also qualify as a "service".
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08:03<SAN><mhash> i want to build group of systems and it should provide the service to outside world through virtual ip(load balancer)
08:03<mhash>can you list some of the services you are looking to cluster?
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08:03<qq_>SAN: you need maybe "to do" a beowulf on witch may/(or not !) run your applications
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08:05<SAN>ok , but beowulf is related to hardare devices , u know.
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08:05<tompan>padski: nothing i think i solved it.
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08:06<padski>I enjoyed that movie ;-)
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08:09<qq_>i though SAN need a redundant/high available , web/files services
08:09<padski>I hear amazon are still trying to figure out how to do that ;-)
08:10<SAN>yes qq
08:11<SAN>i saw linux-ha.org project , i want to know , is it good or not
08:12<SAN>whther it suits cluster environment\
08:14<qq_>short say , yes , maybe you need some more packages , like update-cluster
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08:16<qq_> apt-cache search update-cluster
08:16<eljefe>Does anyone know the name of the LiveCD that can wipe a hard drive with like 10 levels of security?
08:16<Baggy2>I get "-sh: ./CDP: not found" even though the file is there. How can this be?? I did specify -Wl, rpath=path and -Wl, --dynamic-linker=path/ld-linux.so.3 when I compiled the executable, and those files have not been copied to the environment yet. Could this be the reason?
08:17<qq_>SAN: do >>>apt-cache search cluster<<< for find all packages you need
08:18<SAN>ok thank u
08:18<louen>eljefe: a hammer ?
08:18<jm_>Baggy2: why are you using those flags?
08:20<eljefe>ah, but i want to be able to use them again
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08:20<Baggy2>I am testing a crosscompiler that uses slightly different libraries than my target environment. Thus, I need to provide the runtimes and compile with the rpath option.
08:20<gsimmons>eljefe: You might be thinking of DBAN.
08:20<eljefe>dban.org
08:20<gsimmons>!tell eljefe -about dban
08:20<eljefe>yep
08:21<eljefe>thanks!!
08:21<Baggy2>jm_:Without them I just get Illegal "instruction" when I try running the xecutable
08:21<Baggy2>executable..
08:21<eljefe>yes thast is exactly it, thanks!!
08:22<jm_>Baggy2: maybe check with ldd
08:23<Baggy2>jm_: I would, if I had one in my target environment :(
08:23<Baggy2>but I guess that must be it
08:24<Baggy2>I just need to delete something to get enough space to copy the runtimes
08:24<jm_>Baggy2: ahh ldd is just a shell script, it uses ld-linux.so.foo
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08:26<Baggy2>jm_: Thanks, I'll try to copy it from the host then :)
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08:30<qq_>witch arch target , just by curiosity ;)
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08:33<Baggy2>jm_: err.. I don't have bash on my target, just sh, and it seems like ldd requires bash :(
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08:34<jm_>Baggy2: try LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 LD_WARN= LD_BIND_NOW= 'LD_LIBRARY_VERSION=$verify_out' LD_VERBOSE= yourapp
08:34<jm_>LD_LIBRARY_VERSION=6 for me
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08:37<Baggy2>jm_: "-sh: LD_LIBRARY_VERSION=6: not found" I tried all versions from 1 to 10 with the same result
08:37<jm_>Baggy2: ahh your shell doesn't seem to like that syntax then
08:37<romane>Is anyone able to advise why my opengl screensaver have stopped working with the latest upgrade of HDE in Lenny tonight?
08:37<jm_>it just sets a bunch of vars and runs the app
08:38<Baggy2>k
08:38<Baggy2>it's an embedded system so there might be that the shell is a downscaled version
08:40<qq_>Baggy2: en example for cross compiled for m68k >http://people.debian.org/~smarenka/m68k/cross-compilers/aaareadme.txt
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08:55<EmleyMoor>When are we due a "frozen" tag?
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08:56<themill>!lenny status
08:56<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html
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08:59*EmleyMoor thanks themill for that clarification, but the repos are still devoid of a frozen tag
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08:59<themill>EmleyMoor: what do you mean by a "frozen" tag?
09:00<EmleyMoor>Like being able to call it "frozen" - like you can call etch "stable"
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09:01<themill>EmleyMoor: it doesn't work like that. "Frozen" means that the automatic progression of packages from unstable to testing is now stopped. Packages now come in through unstable only with a freeze exception from the release team or through testing-proposed-updates once again only with the permission of the release team.
09:02<themill>EmleyMoor: Once the bugs are squashed, the links are updated so that etch becomes oldstable and lenny becomes stable. There's never a "release" called "frozen".
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09:03<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I appreciate things have moved on over the years but someone told me we *would* get that - we have on at least some past cycles before there was testing
09:03<EmleyMoor>Fair enough if that's the way it is now though
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09:04<themill>I've never seen that before. But prior to there being a testing distribution that would have made sense, I guess.
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09:06<vltre_>ciao
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09:06*EmleyMoor reads bugs - changing some of his systems over to lenny might be a next week job :-)
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09:12<EmleyMoor>Is there a short period in which testing = stable, before it starts to change again?
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09:14<themill>EmleyMoor: yes, but the rate of change in testing just after a release can be very high. The quality of testing for a few months after a release can be pretty poor.
09:15<boscaiolo>Hi. Any bash scripters here ATM?
09:15<EmleyMoor>themill: So there's, say, a couple of days or a week when both stable and testing will be lenny, before (whatever-they-call-the-next-one) appears?
09:16<themill>EmleyMoor: no, the cut over is immediate. But until packages start flowing into lenny+1, it will have the same packages as lenny.
09:16<boscaiolo>themill: just walked in on the conversation re testing -- I sometimes wonder whether sid would be easier to run --
09:16<boscaiolo>especially on a slow connection...
09:16<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... so worth tagging "lenny" on machines I wish to upgrade but then settle on lenny... fair enough
09:17<themill>boscaiolo: well definitely not on a slow connection since there are even more packages that get uploaded to sid that never make it into testing.
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09:17<EmleyMoor>I have one tracking "testing" and it will continue to do so - until such time as everything I use it for works when I will make it stable and or merge it with another
09:18<themill>EmleyMoor: yes, s/etch/lenny/ will be step 1 of upgrading. Expect there to be quite some detailed release notes to follow in the same way as sarge->etch was though. The perl transition seems particularly fun.
09:18<boscaiolo>oh yes. It's just that right now just doing an aptitude 'u' takes about half an hour for the testing sources
09:18<themill>boscaiolo: if you don't update often, you might benefit from turning off pdiffs.
09:19<EmleyMoor>themill: I don't expect it to be "dead easy" - been running this stuff since slink
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09:19<boscaiolo>I don't know what that is. But I'll read it up
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09:21<EmleyMoor>I think my current setup on my main machine started at potato.
09:21<boscaiolo>themill: OT: "themill"? I live in one. It's in a forest hence "boscaiolo" (woodsman in italian)
09:21<EmleyMoor>My laptop was sarge when that was testing and kept on it when that went stable
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09:22<boscaiolo>EmleyMoor: I was in that position with my laptop till last week
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09:22<boscaiolo>Now testing/unstable (via Knoppix of all things)
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09:24<EmleyMoor>I had two systems I set up with sarge while woody was stable - kept one on testing and turned the other stable at sarge release.
09:24<boscaiolo>EmleyMoor: Me too.
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09:27<boscaiolo>Got no bites about bash, but I'll ask anyway: I have a script that alters a filename (or many). I want to call it from another, but the calling script has to do other work on the file afterwards. Of course it can't find it any more!
09:27<boscaiolo>Other than writing the new filename to a file, is there any way to pass it back to the calling script?
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09:29<Baggy2>In the docs of my toolchain I can read the following: "you can explicitly invoke your application through the dynamic linker to specify the system root location". The system root location is the path to my runtime libs. What do they mean by this?
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09:45<Slydder>hey all
09:46<Slydder>anyone here happen to know how to filter mail in icedove based on extended mail header entries?
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10:04<themill>EmleyMoor: btw you can just mark that machine as "lenny" now (rather than "testing") and it will automatically change from testing to stable when lenny becomes stable.
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10:04<EmleyMoor>themill: If I had one on which that applied, I would
10:05<EmleyMoor>As yet, it still plays up on a needed task and will need to stay testing
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10:05<themill>EmleyMoor: oh... I thought you did from this comment: [14:17] <EmleyMoor> I have one tracking "testing" and it will continue to do so - until such time as everything I use it for works when I will make it stable and or merge it with another
10:05<themill>EmleyMoor: never mind then
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10:06<EmleyMoor>themill: It won't be staying on lenny - it might stay on lenny+1 if all goes well
10:07<themill>It'll be a pretty old machine by then... given usual debian release cycles...
10:07<EmleyMoor>themill: It has been rebuilt, hardware-wise, recently anyway
10:07<themill>ahh
10:08<EmleyMoor>It will be done again when I have some good spares to do it with
10:08<boscaiolo>computers are immortal now
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10:09<lol>boscaiolo: not the new ons ...
10:09<boscaiolo>They are more an abstract concept, suported by a temporary constellation of hardware components
10:10<lol>ah, so i agree
10:10<snogglethorpe>boscaiolo: it's true, I think of new computer I buy as being a new body for the old computer...
10:10<boscaiolo>The only constant is the hostname
10:10<boscaiolo>yep
10:10<snogglethorpe>boscaiolo: all files are copied over
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10:10<themill>I've got a machine that I look after for a .org that has been going since 1997 in various different guises. The only original thing is now a keyboard, ... but it's still the same machine as far as I'm concerned. (and the kb doesn't work well... luckily I only ever use it via ssh)
10:11<boscaiolo>yes, we have one that dates from about then too. No hardware component is original though...
10:12<EmleyMoor>The oldest component I have in use now dates from about 1998
10:12<snogglethorpe>"First you replace the axe-handle; later you replace the axe-head. Is it the same axe?"
10:12<snogglethorpe>hmm I'm still using the same [crappy] CRT I bought in 1997...
10:12<boscaiolo>That's doing well then
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10:13<EmleyMoor>snogglethorpe: It's like the broom in "Open All Hours" - "S-s-still going strong - it's only 'ad four new 'eads and two new 'andles!"
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10:15<themill>snogglethorpe: it's always grandfather's axe :)
10:15*lol use sid on macintosh/s, motorola's CPU from '94
10:15<boscaiolo>That's right, youngun, and don't you forget it!
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10:32<padski>ah yes, the philospher's axe :-)
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10:42<dinar>hello
10:42<dinar>is there any body knows postfix?
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10:43<padski>!anybody
10:43<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
10:44<dinar>i am using dpkg in ubunt
10:44<dinar>dpkg reconfigure postfix
10:44<dpkg>i don't know, dinar
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10:45<dinar>first i select internet site
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10:46<dinar>the second i write: domain.dom.
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10:46<dinar>then: who takes mails to root and potmaster:
10:46<dinar>empty
10:47<dinar>because it is already in /etc/aliases
10:47<Knorrie>i guess those config-questions lead to changes in /etc/aliases
10:48<Knorrie>so just fill in the right username you want to send root/postmaster mail to
10:48<dinar>there is explanation in this page
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10:49<dinar>yes... i was unattentive
10:50<dinar>there is said to write
10:50<dinar>there is bad translation
10:51<dinar>Если у вас уже есть файл /etc/aliases, то, возможно, вам нужно добавить эту запись. Оставьте пустым, чтобы не │ │ добавлять.
10:52<dinar>it looks like
10:53<dinar>Если у вас уже есть файл /etc/aliases, то, возможно, вам не нужно добавить эту запись. Оставьте пустым, чтобы не │ │ добавлять.
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10:53<sorin-mihai>hi. i have a strange problem with a pppoe connection. anyone can help me?
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10:55<dinar>may be it should be:
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10:56<dinar>Если у вас нет файла /etc/aliases, то, возможно, вам не нужно добавлять эту запись. Оставьте пустым, чтобы не │ │ добавлять.
10:56<dinar>how can i run english version?
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11:00<dinar>i wrote: dinar
11:01<qq>!ru
11:01<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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11:03<dinar>then there is domain list pre-written
11:03<dinar>it is "end places where mails go"
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11:04<dinar>domain.dom., dinar-desktop, localhost.localdomain, localhost
11:04<dinar>let it stay as it is..
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11:05<dinar>"forced synchronouse updates" then
11:05<dinar>no
11:06<dinar>does here anybody know postfix?
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11:06<padski>!ubuntu
11:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:07<dinar>then:
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11:07<grayfox>hi! i've just installed etch and a half
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11:07<dinar>Please specify the network blocks for which this host should relay mail.
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11:07<grayfox>anda i have some problems with my wireless card
11:08<grayfox>lspci can't find it
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11:08<themill>grayfox: what is it?
11:08<grayfox>even when i intalled b43-fwcutter
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11:08<grayfox>i think is a problem with udev
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11:09<dinar>127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 89.232.85.48/32
11:09<dinar>correct?
11:09<padski>!tell dinar about ubuntu
11:09<dinar>is not it same?
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11:10<dinar>should i write 89.232.85.48/32 ?
11:10<dinar>or 89.232.85.48 ?
11:10<grayfox>how can i see if the kernel is suporting the card?
11:11<padski>dinar, typically progs that understand the first will also accept the second.
11:11<dinar>thanks
11:11<dinar>dpkg is "made by debian"
11:11<dpkg>dinar: I don't know, could you explain it?
11:11<padski>dpkg is a bot here
11:11<dpkg>padski: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
11:11<padski>dpkg is a bot
11:11<dpkg>padski: i don't know
11:12<padski>!bot
11:12<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
11:12<padski>that's the one :-)
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11:12<grayfox><themill> what can i do ? the problme is the kernel?
11:13<themill>dinar: just because dpkg is made by debian, that doesn't make your problems with some other distribution anything that we can help you with. Now if you're using ubuntu, please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
11:13<padski>dinar, see /usr/share/doc/dpkg/copyright
11:13<dinar>it says "Please specify the network blocks for which this host should relay mail."
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11:13<dinar>ok
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11:15<themill>grayfox: is there a hardware kill switch? is it in the "killed" position? Have you checked in lsusb for the device? is it a pc-card device? You need to give us some more information here... even a pastebin of lspci -nn would help...
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11:17<grayfox><themill>that's the point, i have a bcm card in a notebook, and lspci doesn't find it
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11:17<themill>how do you know it's a bcm card then?
11:17<grayfox>and it isn.t in lsusb either
11:18<grayfox>from previus installations, and the specs of the computer
11:18<grayfox>i installed lenny for a while., and worked just fine the network
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11:18<grayfox>but i have a problem with acpi
11:19<themill>previous installations is helpful; laptop specs are notoriously inaccurate because they keep changing what bits they put in the box and keep the same model number
11:19<grayfox>ok
11:19<grayfox>but i'm sure it's a broadcom
11:20<themill>are there any "unidentified devices" in lspci?
11:20<grayfox>nope
11:21<grayfox><themill>on /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, i have a firewire and the standard network only
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11:22<themill>grayfox: udev only responds to events that the kernel gives it. If the device isn't found by the kernel, then udev will never know about it.
11:25<grayfox>ok
11:25<grayfox>the problem is the kernel then
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11:25<grayfox>i'll install 2.6.24
11:25<grayfox>thanks
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11:32<drone77>I am looking to do a minimal X install, is the best way to go by - aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-(required driver name?)
11:32<themill>grayfox: aren't you already using 2.6.24?
11:33<mordain>hi can anyone tell me a quick command to force a dhcp renew, like the window command ipconfig /renew *
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11:35<mordain>will /etc/init.d/networking restart do that ?
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11:36<s4br3>Hi, I used to have qgis installed but cannot find in the repositories. Is it gone for real or am I missing something?
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11:38<gsimmons>s4br3: See bug #474604 in the BTS.
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11:39<s4br3>ok! "The package is a mess and needs lots of cleanup". Thanks!
11:40<s4br3>gsimmons: Do you know if there is anything similar around?
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11:43<grayfox>nope
11:43<grayfox>2.16
11:43<gsimmons>s4br3: See the description for the 'grass' package.
11:43<boscaiolo>anyone tell me why bash doesn't like: if [ "${noext: -2:1}" == "-" ] && [ "${noext: -1:1}" =~ "\d" ] ;
11:43<boscaiolo>it says binary operator expected
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11:44<s4br3>gsimmons: ok. Thanks.
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11:44<boscaiolo>but bash man page says: An additional binary operator, =~, is available, with the same precedence as == and !=.
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11:47<themill>boscaiolo: those operators are only for [[ not [
11:47<themill>!bashfaq
11:47<dpkg>from memory, bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq
11:48<boscaiolo>oh. Never did get my head round that
11:49<magyar_>hi, I have an odd issue with dig. nslookup resolves fine but dig is not. Can anyone help?
11:49<themill>boscaiolo: [[ is a bash-only replacement for [ that is supposed to do more like what you expect and want (unlike [ which has many nasty tricks up its sleeve for the new comer)
11:50<themill>boscaiolo: if you want to use [[, make sure you use #!/bin/bash and not just #!/bin/sh
11:50<boscaiolo>themill: ok. Thanks it does get rid of the error, but my regex isn't working yet
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11:51<themill>boscaiolo: the regexes it uses are somewhat different to perl ones so be careful. man 3 regex
11:52<boscaiolo>oddly I dont have man 3 regex
11:52<themill>(although that man page isn't that useful)
11:52<boscaiolo>but thanks
11:52<themill>manpages-dev
11:52<boscaiolo>oh yes i do
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11:53<boscaiolo>and it's useless
11:53<themill>indeed :( istr that it's more sed-like regexes than perl-like
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11:53<fxiny>magyar_: is dig installed ?
11:54<boscaiolo>I always struggle with every type of regex :-(
11:54<boscaiolo>But I get there in the end
11:54<themill>good luck :)
11:54<boscaiolo>tx
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11:56<boscaiolo>done it with [1-9] instead of \d -- 0 isn't an option in this case anyway
11:56<magyar_>fxiny, apt-get install dig E: Couldn't find package dig
11:56<magyar_>fxiny, but the "dig" command is there
11:57<magyar_>/usr/bin/dig
11:57<cahoot>bind-tools or such?
11:57<fxiny>magyar_: dnsutils
11:57<fxiny>anyway is there
11:58<magyar_>yeap, installed
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11:59<include_pr>youtube + amazon looses sound
11:59<include_pr>youtube + amarok looses sound
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11:59<include_pr>anyone confront this?
12:00<fxiny>youtube ? suing actions ? :P
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12:00<fxiny>i wanna 500 bilions :P
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12:01<include_pr>haha no I meant viewing youtube as i run amarok i loose sound on youtube
12:01<fxiny>yeah ;)
12:01<martyn>hi ppl
12:02<padski>the bbc 'b' had an error message that was simply '!'
12:02<martyn>lol
12:02<padski>this one lacks punch: "rndc: 'reload' failed: failure"
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12:06<boscaiolo>anyone happen to know what punctuation is acceptable in windoze filenames as well as linux, in addition to the 3 characters[_-.] ?
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12:07<padski>boscaiolo, (this is #debian not a windows support group, but) depends on which windows and several other factors.
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12:08<boscaiolo>yes, well I havent dozed since 1989, so I know nothing
12:08<fxiny>this one : defective by design !
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12:09<boscaiolo>Just thought others may have to send files to the dark side occasionally...
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12:10<drone77>boscaiolo, i can tell you what isn't acceptable in XP - \ / : * ? " < > |
12:10<boscaiolo>drone77: tx, that is a good start
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12:11<boscaiolo>drone77: I assume the hyphen isn't part of the list you gave
12:11<drone77>err the hyphen i put in was to seperate the list, ah you're too quick for me
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12:11<boscaiolo>tx
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13:02<slept>Hi, my nic is working extremely bad I have lots of package collisions downstream is close to 100kb (should be 100Mbit), when I run rtl8139-diag it tells me that ".... Transmitter enabled with NONSTANDARD! settings..." how can i get it to use standard settings and is there any relation between the transmitter and reciveing packages ?
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13:03<jello>slept: sounds like a duplex mismatch
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13:06<slept>jello, the complete output is at http://pastebin.com/d544eab69 could you have a look ?
13:08<jello>slept: you need the MII registers, so use -m
13:10<slept>http://pastebin.com/m5753816c
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13:13<jello>slept: sudo mii-tool -v
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13:14<slept>mii-tool -v
13:14<slept>eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
13:14<slept> product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
13:14<slept> basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
13:14<slept> basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
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13:14<slept>sorry
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13:22<jello>np
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13:22<jello>slept: i would turn off auto-neg on both the station and the switch and hardcode them to 100/FULL or whatever
13:24<slept>how do i do that ?
13:24<jello>can't help you with the switch
13:24<mordain>in an effort to renew my dhcp allocated ip i found /etc/init.d/dbus restart works, is this the best way ?
13:24<jello>but use mii-tool to hard-set your card
13:24<jello>mordain: which dhcp client?
13:24<slept>the switch is cisco
13:25<mordain>the default that came with debian 4
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13:25<jello>ask a cisco person
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13:25<slept>:) thanks
13:25<jello>#cisco perhaps? :)
13:26<jello>mordain: hrm, check your logs and see what's getting your IP for you
13:26<jello>mordain: probably dhcpcd or pump
13:26<jello>or dhclient
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13:44<louen>I need a hint
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13:45<louen>I installed the metapackage kde on my debian lenny
13:45<louen>and I want to remove some kde apps, but aptitude wants to remove the whole metapackage
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13:46<louen>how do I remove the apps without loosing my whole desktop environnement ?
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13:47<avu>louen, it will just remove the meta package usually. because you are removing applications pulled in by the metapackage
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13:47<avu>louen, since the metapackage itself does not contain any applications/libraries but just dependencies, that's ok
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13:48<louen>avu: yes, that what I was thinking
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13:49<louen>but aptitude tells me "If you do that, 600Mo will be freed", si I deduced that it will uninstall all the programs
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13:49<jello>louen: removing the metapackage is fine
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13:49<jello>try it yourself
13:49<slept>jello, i am a bit confused now cause rtl8139diag tells me the nic is using half duplex and ethtool and mii-tool both say the card is using full duplex, how can that be ?
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13:50<jello>slept: strange, not really sure
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13:50<louen>jello: shure ? because aptitude says it wants to remove all the packages !
13:50<slept>i know the chipset is well know to be bad , but that bad ....
13:51<jello>louen: that's aptitude...
13:51<louen>and ?
13:51<slept>use apt
13:51<Lethalman>slept, the library?
13:51<louen>I trusted debian when it said to prefer aptitude ^^
13:51<fxiny>bad what ? 8139 works fine here , so cheap ;)
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13:52<jello>louen: try apt-get remove kde
13:52<fxiny>full-duplex :P
13:52<Lethalman>i think both apt-get and aptitude are the same this way
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13:52<jello>louen: yes, but i don't know the option for aptitude...
13:53<slept>Lethalman, no apt-"whatever you need" cache , get , ....
13:53<Lethalman>slept, ah :)
13:54<slept>i hate the autoremove part , apt lets you decide if you want to remove things
13:54<Tahu>Help me
13:54<Tahu>how to get vhost
13:54<fxiny>slept: dmesg | grep eth
13:54<Lethalman>slept, aptitude too, with aptitude you have purge not autoremove
13:54<Lethalman>they own the same db as I heard somewhere
13:55<Tahu>I wan to get vhost
13:55<louen>Lethalman: so how do you do ?
13:55<ranix>Tahu: you wan to get vhost?
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13:55<Lethalman>louen, what?
13:55<slept>fxiny, did you look at cat /proc/net/dev i allways have drop , err and fifo the same number of packages - is taht different for you ?
13:56<Tahu>I wan to get vhost
13:56<louen>Lethalman: to remove the metapackage with aptitude without removing the others
13:56<jello>Tahu: in apache?
13:56<ranix>slept: drop, err, and fifo are all 0 for me
13:56<Lethalman>louen, i don't know what's metapackage
13:56<louen>oh sorry
13:57<slept>hmmmmm i hat my nic ....
13:57<fxiny>slept: yes , different , i have two 8139 working
13:57<slept>fxiny, http://pastebin.com/d2f2cb042 is the output of dmesg
13:57<slept>fxiny, how do you do that ? do you give any options ?
13:57<Tahu>in here
13:58<fxiny>slept: dmesg it should say something like eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
13:58<Lethalman>louen, the name of the package is metapackage? if you do apt-get remove metapackage i guess you get the same bunch of things to throw away because of rdependencies
13:58<louen>no
13:58<fxiny>slept: no options at all
13:58<slept>fxiny, eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 - it's the same i guess
13:58<jello>no, apt will not remove the dependant packages
13:58<Lethalman>louen, then do it
13:59<jello>only if you run apt-get auto-remove
13:59<louen>yes
13:59<Lethalman>jello, also aptitude, you have to --purge to demove rdepends
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13:59<Lethalman>i don't know, maybe there're some more operations that aptitude does with remove
13:59<philsf>what does it take to run a i386 program/package in amd64?
14:00<jello>Lethalman: purge has it's own meaning
14:00<jello>it removes conf files
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14:00<fxiny>slept: yeurs is "100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1" mine is "eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1" , is the same
14:00<fxiny>yours*
14:00<Lethalman>jello, yes
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14:01<tetrimino>hello everybody
14:01<louen>yop
14:01<tetrimino>i need help with my non-free nvidia driver
14:02<tetrimino>somebody please pm me if you wanna help
14:02<slept>fxiny, any ideas how to get it that way ? might be good to find out what is different with your setup / card ... could you paste the output of rtl8139-diag, the interesting part of lspci -vvv and whatever might be usefull that i can compare ?
14:02<valdyn>tetrimino: youre hardly going to get help that way
14:02<valdyn>!tell tetrimino -about ask
14:02<tetrimino>about ask?
14:03<tetrimino>Valdyn do you know anything about installing nvidia drivers?
14:03<valdyn>oh geez
14:03<valdyn>read what dpkg told you
14:03<tetrimino>yeah i read it.. sorry :D
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14:04<fxiny>slept: i've never done anything but iirc some z25 editiong , not sure if this box or another one , i see your "Driver 'sd' needs updating ... udev: renamed network" could it be that ?
14:04<slept>fxiny, i have no idea
14:05<jello>!tell tetrimino about nvidia
14:05<tetrimino>i just rebooted into "root terminal mode-thingy"
14:05<tetrimino>and wrote sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run
14:05<tetrimino>but something was wrong
14:06<tetrimino>something with gcc or cc
14:06<tetrimino>i really dont get it
14:06<valdyn>tetrimino: you dont need to get it
14:06<valdyn>tetrimino: you need to tell us the error
14:06<fxiny>slept: try bringing it down and up again ?
14:06<valdyn>tetrimino: "something with gcc" is useless
14:06<fxiny>tail -f logs
14:06<valdyn>tetrimino: your first error though is using that .sh installer at all
14:06<tetrimino>ok? why?
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14:06<valdyn>!nvidia
14:06<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. nvidia-installer) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia.
14:07<slept>fxiny, it has been in this condition after 2.6.19 (kernel-version) .....
14:07<fxiny>ahhh
14:07<slept>and thats quite a while
14:08<slept>actually i am not sure if it was .18 or .19 which was working fine , but since one of those networking is a pain in the ass for me
14:08<fxiny>slept: 2.6.18 and 24/25 ok , old 2.4 ok . 8139 is int the kernel sice ages
14:09<fxiny>old cheap nic
14:10<slept>fxiny, i know .... but i can't get it to stop dropping millions of packages , it starts filling the fifo and than it starts droping packages like crazy ...
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14:10<tetrimino>i cant run "apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common"
14:11<fxiny>slept: could it be faulty ?
14:11<tetrimino>how does i fix it?
14:11<slept>fxiny, almost allways less that 150kb for recieving - sending works fine
14:11<slept>fxiny, how would i know - i mean it somehow works i checked different cabels
14:12<fxiny>slept: 150kb ! wt4x ! is a drama !
14:12<slept>i know i have 30 Mbis dsl thats what one would call ironic
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14:12<slept>Mbit
14:12<fxiny>just one nic ?
14:12<slept>its a laptop
14:13<fxiny>ewven worse
14:13<slept>yes
14:13<jello>tetrimino: what's the error?
14:13<boscaiolo>I need bash to process only image files in a directory. I thought I should test for substring 'image' in `file $f` -- but how? Any wise words anyone?
14:13<fxiny>slept: what kernel are you running now ?
14:13<tetrimino>Reading package lists... Done
14:13<tetrimino>Building dependency tree... Done
14:13<tetrimino>gcc is already the newest version.
14:13<tetrimino>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common
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14:14<slept>fxiny, 2.6.25-2-686
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14:14<jello>tetrimino: use a pastebin
14:14<tetrimino>?
14:14<jello>!tell tetrimino -about pastebin
14:14<fxiny>slept: can't you try 2.6.24 etchnhalf ?
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14:15<tetrimino>jello http://paste.lisp.org/display/64548
14:16<slept>fxiny, the problem was there from 2.6.20 till now with every single kernel which has ever been in lenny
14:18<slept>boscaiolo, are ther different kinds of formats in the dir if not i would just |grep .jpg or whatever you need
14:18<fxiny>slept: i'm still on etch , i've tryed long ago some bpo 2.6.xxx and official 2.6.24 last weekend , 2.6.24 was fine
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14:18<slept>hmmmm
14:18<jello>tetrimino: did you add contrib & non-free to your sources.list and run apt-get update?
14:18<slept>fxiny, i will give it a try , but still not much hope left
14:18<tetrimino>no jello
14:19<tetrimino>i dont no how to do it
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14:19<jello>tetrimino: edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
14:20<boscaiolo>slept: hmm well it's true they are nearly always jpg, but sometimes I use pngs to so I was looking for a universal fix
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14:22<tetrimino>hey jello what shall i add to the list?
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14:23<jello>find the line that has your etch debs and make sure it has contrib and non-free in addition to main
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14:23<jello>if you post your sources.list i can give you more specific advice
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14:24<slept>boscaiolo, find -exec file {} \; |grep image | awk -F: '{print $1}'
14:24<jello>ugh
14:24<jello>file, grep, and awk!
14:24<boscaiolo>ohhh....
14:24<tetrimino>jello here http://paste.lisp.org/display/64549
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14:25<slept>jello, you might even put ` ` round it an do some stuff with it
14:25<jello>tetrimino: the sixth line, add the words contrib non-free to the end
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14:25<boscaiolo>oh, I see where you are going slept
14:26<jello>then save and run `apt-get update`
14:26<rxs>can anyone tell me the easiest way to find the entry and exit of usb based devices in a program ? I would love to write a daemon in C that needs to watch the entry and exit of a particular usb device and do something accordingly.
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14:27<rxs>I am trying to do this on a debian box....
14:27<slept>dmesg ?
14:27<tetrimino>done
14:28<tetrimino>jello
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14:28<rxs>yeah .. dmesg gives me that ... but .. is there a way to get more details like get interrupted while a device is plugged in or some such ?
14:28<jello>now try to follow the directions at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.
14:28<rxs>right now I do something in teh eq of cat /var/log/syslog | grep ttyUSB
14:29<tetrimino>thanks jello
14:30<jello>rxs: use udev to give it a persistant name in /dev and just test for its existance
14:30<boscaiolo>slept: tx, I think I can do it with just grep and an if
14:30<rxs>but if there is a way to find the connection and exit of Bluetooth based serial devices too .. something like , /dev/rfcommX etc ... that would be great
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14:30<slept>rxs i am not sure i get what you want to do ... maybe you can use inotify for /dev/ and se when a new device is created or disapears , but i am not sure if that is a bad idea ... never tried to use it
14:31<jello>rxs: doesn't /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf list them?
14:31<rxs>jello: give the device a persistent name ? so map a particular ftdi device to a particular /dev/NameOfDev ?
14:31<jello>yeah
14:31<slept>boscaiolo, you gotta love awk :)
14:31<jello>so when i connect my usb flash drive, it always shows as /dev/joesdrive
14:31<jello>or whatever
14:32<boscaiolo>Embarassing truth is I never got beyond page one of the manual -- so never use it -- so don't know it...
14:32<rxs>jello: /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf is where i list the bindings, i.e the mac address to the rfcomm port it has to be connected and such ... and how its bound etc ... but it does not list it ... it is just a configuration file
14:33<slept>boscaiolo, i just use print and -F which is the fild seperator so you can pick fields with $number of the field - it's straight forward
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14:33<boscaiolo>slept: starting at 0 I assume
14:34<rxs>jello: that it gets as the drive is named so ... but here I have ~ 40 usb serial based devices that can be connected ins ome random fashion and FTDI does all the job and the device gets attached to /dev/ttyUSBX and the X keeps changing .. like .. first device connected is mostly on /dev/ttyUSB0 and the next one on 1 and so on and u disconnect one and re connect another, the address can be reused ... assigning static mounts is nota feasible
14:34<rxs>solution for me
14:35<boscaiolo>slept: but I can use numbered fields from regex in grep directly
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14:35<rxs>slept: can you tell me more about your inotify idea ?
14:35<rxs>just a few hints and I will google it up ...
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14:36<rxs>hey by the way how do I get those nice boxes around messages sent to a particular individual as slept and jello do ?
14:37<jello>rxs: what boxes?
14:37<boscaiolo>what IRC client
14:37<jello>that's a better question :)
14:38<boscaiolo>rxs: does this have a box?
14:38<ranix> test
14:38<tetrimino>how does i know if i have installed the nvidia driver correctly?
14:39<ranix>tetrimino: glxgears
14:39<rxs>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify , this is what I am reading up ... okay I am using opera 9.5 browzer for the irc, and it nicely puts a box around messages that are sent to me ... may be its a browzer feature
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14:39<jello>tetrimino: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
14:39<ranix>my way is easier
14:39<rxs>boscaiolo:yes it has a nice box around it :)
14:39<ranix>no thought involved
14:39<slept>rxs have a look at iwatch inoticoming or maybe gamin
14:39<boscaiolo>rxs: there you are then
14:39<ranix>rxs: box box
14:39<tetrimino>hey ranix "command not found
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14:40<jello>heh
14:40<ranix>tetrimino: I'm afraid you screwed up
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14:40<rxs>slept: okay will read up on that after I google up inotify a bit more
14:40<slept>rws if you would use iwatch you would have to get things out of the email .... there should be an easier way to do things ...
14:41<rxs>slept:sendmail ?
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14:41<rxs>ranix:slept's boxes are only around my rxs: name , but yours came as rxs:boxbox in a nice box :)
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14:42<tetrimino>hey jello http://rafb.net/p/smTlXY34.html
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14:42<boscaiolo>rxs: on mine (xchat) they come out in red
14:43<boscaiolo>rxs: and ring a bell if I remember to configure it
14:43<slept>rxs, maybe you can just change the iwatch code not to send an email but to do whatever you wanna do to the newly appeared device like that you would have half of your demon if you know how to code perl
14:43<slept>and don't insist on the use of c
14:45<slept>rxs: is it the : that changes the box behaviour ?
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14:45<jello>tetrimino: did you follow all the instructions?
14:45<rxs>slept:hmm .. perl .. I cant .. I can do C/C++ and python
14:45<tetrimino>i think i did..
14:45<jello>tetrimino: did you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:45<jello>and pick the nvidia driver?
14:45<rxs>slept: Idont know ... what ever you are doing , it is great as all messages to me are beautifully boxed :)
14:45<tetrimino>jello cant i just get your xorg.0.log if you already have nvidia drivers?
14:46<jello>i don't use nvidia
14:46<tetrimino>yeah
14:46<tetrimino>oh
14:46<tetrimino>damn
14:47<slept>fxiny, coul you paste the output of rtl8139-diag somewhere that i can compare whats different for me ?
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14:47<tetrimino>hey jello would you mind to write a very simple and small guide to install nvidia? would be alot easier for me
14:47<slept>mine would be at http://pastebin.com/mc21ad45 along with soem other output ...
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14:47<jello>tetrimino: what do you get for `lsmod | grep nvidia`
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14:48<tetrimino>nothin'
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14:48<jello>tetrimino: run `modprobe nvidia` then try again
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14:49<boscaiolo>rxs: this is boxed, but...
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14:49<boscaiolo>rxs is this?
14:49<tetrimino>nvidia 4549908 0
14:49<tetrimino>agpgart 29896 2 nvidia,via_agp
14:49<jello>tetrimino: better
14:50<tetrimino>i2c_core 19680 2 nvidia,i2c_viapro
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14:50<jello>tetrimino: good enough
14:50<boscaiolo>rxs: I think that was slept's point
14:50<jello>tetrimino: now try restarting X
14:50<tetrimino>how jello?
14:50<tetrimino>and how does i get it up running again?
14:50<jello>you use gnome or kde?
14:50<tetrimino>gnome
14:51<jello>tetrimino: run /etc/init.d/gdm restart
14:51<jello>tetrimino: then run `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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14:51<jello>to see if it worked
14:51<jello>sorry
14:51<jello>not that
14:51<jello>run `grep nvidia_drv.o /var/log/Xorg.0.log
14:52<jello>run `grep nvidia_drv.o /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
14:52<jello>and see if you get anything
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14:56<jello>i guess he ran away...
14:56<chami>:)
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14:59<martyn>hi ppl
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15:00<tetrimino>hey jello it didn't say anything when i typed it in..
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15:01<Naruto>ciao
15:02<Naruto>!list
15:02<dpkg>one warez list being sent to naruto
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15:03<rxs>boscaiolo: rxs: this is boxed, but... was completely boxed , but rxs is this? was boxed only around rxs :)
15:03<rxs>so what did you do ?
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15:08<tetrimino>hey i think i made the drivers work
15:08<tetrimino>how did i test them again?
15:09<boscaiolo>rxs: ahh. Then slet was right
15:09<boscaiolo>slept even
15:10<boscaiolo>rxs: a lot of IRC clients have tab completion on usernames, and they automatically add the : -- which operates the alarm or whatever at the recipient's client
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15:15<miksuh>by the way. do anyone have any ide if policykit will be used in lenny? policykit atleast is in Lenny
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15:15<miksuh>ide=idea
15:15<boscaiolo>tetrimino: glxgears
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15:24<chami>folks, anyone tried etchnhalf?
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15:25<anyone>no
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15:25<chami>lol
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15:26<pumpkin0>what did you expect? "anyone" questions never turn out good.
15:26<pumpkin0>!anyone
15:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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15:27<boscaiolo>what a nice bot!
15:28<cahoot>!bot
15:28<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
15:28<boscaiolo>hehehe
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15:29<chami>wanna know about the wireless lan improvements in etchnhalf
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15:30<chami>that makes sense right??
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15:36<biscraft>hi
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15:36<chami>hi
15:37<biscraft>i installed compiz without any troubke and when i reboot and reopen my session there's abosultly no changes, no effects :/
15:39<amphi>biscraft: is it running? ;)
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15:40<biscraft> 3610 0.0 0.1 2848 712 pts/0 S+ 23:40 0:00 grep compiz
15:41<pumpkin0>biscraft: so it is not running.
15:41<biscraft>umm :/
15:41<amphi>biscraft: what video card?
15:42<biscraft>ATI radeon x300
15:42<biscraft>installed
15:42<philsf>what does it take to run a i386 program/package in amd64?
15:43<philsf>can I force-install such a package?
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15:46<chami>philsf: what do u mean by force-install?
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15:47<philsf>chami: use some "force" parameter in dpkg
15:48<blasbeb>Hey all, which file am I suposed to change so aptitude download files insted of loading them from a CD?
15:49<cahoot>!sources
15:49<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
15:49<chami>file is /etc/apt/source.list
15:49<cahoot>blasbeb: ^^
15:49<blasbeb>Ty
15:50<blasbeb>cahoot, ?
15:50<cahoot>see the info from dpkg
15:50<n8r0x>how do I copy files from one machine to another using ssh?
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15:50<cahoot>use scp
15:50<philsf>n8r0x: scp or rsync
15:50<n8r0x>can you give an example of the syntax?
15:51<philsf>chami: so, do you know how to install a i386 package in amd64?
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15:51<philsf>I have /lib32 -> /emul/ia32-linux/lib there, but just installing doesn't work
15:52<pennythesetter>scp filename hostname:/path/newfilename
15:53<chami>philsf: yes, you can use both scp and rsync, but the idea behind those is different
15:53<n8r0x>pennythesetter: many thanks
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15:54<drone77>does locate update the index periodically or do I need to set it as a cronjob
15:54<Gathond>drone77: there should be a cronjob
15:54<pennythesetter>you can also use user@hostname:/path if you want to change the user
15:54<Gathond>drone77: the default one runs at night though
15:55<drone77>Ganneff, ok, will change it in that case, thanks
15:55<chami>or you can manually run updatedb
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15:55<drone77>yeah, i keep forgetting though
15:56<chami>drone77: you can run updatedb to manually update the slocate database
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15:56<guillaume>hi, what's needed in order to get ssl running under sid ? I enabled mod_ssl but https://localhost still failed to load
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15:57<chami>guillaume: did you make the changes in vhosts
15:58<drone77>chami, yep thanks
15:58<guillaume>chami: nope, not yet
15:59<chami>guillaume: use openssl to create the certs and change the vritualhost settings accordingly
16:00<chami>once you enable ssl with http, you should be able to telnet to 443 (well...that's by default :) )
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16:01<philsf>guillaume: did you enable the modssl module after installing it?
16:01<enouf>a2enmod?
16:02<chami>philsf: he said so :p
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16:06<chami>guys, it's almost 2 a.m. here...gotta go to work tomorrow
16:06<chami>catch u guys later
16:06<chami>Bye!
16:07<drone77>bye!
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16:13<philsf>what does it take to run a i386 program/package in amd64?
16:13<philsf>anybody?
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16:34<suiside>philsf: multilib system, ie. 32bit version of the librariers required to run the application in question on the 64bit system
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16:39<guillaume>chami: until now i just create /etc/apache2/apache.pem do a2enmod sll and apache2 force-reload
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16:39<philsf>suiside: but dpkg prevents me from just installing the package, is there a tuytorial I should read before trying this?
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16:41<guillaume>philsf: what package do you want to install ?
16:41<philsf>arb
16:41<philsf>(available in sid)
16:42<philsf>http://packages.debian.org/sid/arb
16:42<adema>i have a question, lenny (the actual testing) is freezed
16:43<adema>but when do the next testing be available ?
16:44<adema>because i set my sources.list to get testing packages not lenny packages, it's usually the same but in case of freeze, will the testing(not lenny) be update/upgrade ?
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16:45<guillaume>philsf: you have try dpkg --force-architecture ?
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16:51<guillaume>philsf: arb is a virtual package, if you install all related packages with dpkg maybe it should work
16:52<ptr>So, I'm setting up a local apt proxy (our office internet connection ain't so hot), and I'm wondering what peoples' thoughts were as to apt-cacher vs. approx.
16:52<philsf>guillaume: not yet but that will not take into onsideration the 32b version of the libs installed, right? just the default 64b version - is this correct?
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16:54<philsf>arb_ntree: error while loading shared libraries: libXm.so.3: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
16:54<philsf>guillaume: ^^
16:54<guillaume>philsf: you should instal ia32-libs, because I don't know exactly if i386 packages should refer to them or not
16:54<philsf>guillaume: I did install ia32-libs, and all related lib32* packages
16:55<guillaume>when u use --force-architecture with dpkg
16:55<philsf>guillaume: when I try to run the program installed with force-architecture
16:55<slept>I think i figured out what the problem with my nic (rtl8139c) is ... it seems to be set to a power saving mode which mackes it use halfduplex resulting in lots of collisions and a bad connection. How can I change that - ethtool doesn't do the job as far as rtl8139-diag tells me
16:55<philsf>this error is fro mthe progrtam itself
16:55<philsf>(not dpkg)
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16:56<philsf>but something must be done in the configuration of the package - either by the amd64 team, or the user (me). but I can't find generic instructions anywhere
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16:57<philsf>the best I could find, is instructions for running acroread, and that includes changing the acroread script ENV vars to point to the ia32 libs, instead of the default
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16:58<philsf>guillaume: I guess by defualt, any package points to /lib and /usr/lib, which is why I see this error
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17:02<guillaume>philsf: you should get more information by running it with strace
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17:02<philsf>guillaume: oh my... I know zero about strace :/
17:02<philsf>any pointers are greatly appreciated
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17:11<guillaume>philsf: is your software use graphical library ?
17:11<philsf>guillaume: yup, it does
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17:11<guillaume>philsf: if yes you should check if you have ia32-libs-gtk intalled too with ia32-libs
17:12<philsf>guillaume: it is
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17:13<philsf>guillaume: the first thing I tried, before installing the 32bit version, was to compile, but that didn't work well (I posted a bug upstream with a backtrace, if that's useful at all)
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17:16<guillaume>philsf: do you try ldd in order to identify what are the libs you need to run your software ?
17:16<jclinton>is there a way to find packages recommended by already-installed packages?
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17:18<guillaume>jclinton: aptitude can show them
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17:19<philsf>!paste
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17:20<ptr>What does it mean when you get an md5sum mismatch during an apt-get update? what's being checksummed?
17:20<philsf>http://paste.debian.net/13625/
17:20<philsf>guillaume: ^^
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17:20<jclinton>guillaume: looking for a way to list them all at once
17:22<philsf>hmm, I think I found something wrong here... libXm.so.3 is not availble for 32bits, only .so.2
17:22<philsf>maybe that's it?
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17:22<guillaume>jclinton: maybe a shell script, I don't know any command for that
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17:23<philsf>!aptitude-fu | jclinton
17:23<guillaume>philsf: all libs printed by ldd muyst be installed on your system
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17:24<philsf>then I should port libmotif3, somehow
17:24<philsf>thanks for the hint guillaume!
17:24<jclinton>philsf: might be installable from an older debian version
17:25<jclinton>philsf: try using the p.d.o search
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17:27<philsf>there are already bugs asking for this lib to be ported this way
17:28<philsf>ia32 versions for amd64
17:28<guillaume>philsf: you should identify more precisely all needed libs by generating an strace output of your program in a file and then grep ".so"
17:29<philsf>guillaume: how do I do that?
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17:31<guillaume>philsf: strace "program" > straceprogamoutput.txt ; grep '.so' straceprogramoutput.txt
17:31<guillaume>philsf: you can do strace | grep also if you prefer
17:32<philsf>guillaume: I will, in a moment, I'm trying an ugly hack first (symlink from .so.2 to .so.3)
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17:35<philsf>oviously, didn't work :P
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17:36<philsf>guillaume: so, I see other libs pointing to the wrong places (calling 64b versions instead of 32b), like ncurses - how do I tell the program to call the specific path?
17:37<philsf>http://paste.debian.net/13626/
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17:38<guillaume>philsf: I have to go my wife is angry :(
17:39<guillaume>philsf: good luck
17:39<philsf>guillaume: then run :) thanks for your help so far
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18:00<solar_george>hi, I'm trying to get debian arm running on an HP Journada 720 pda. I'm using kernels and modules from jlime.com - when I try a pcmcia network card the drivers are found fine and loaded but ifconfig eth0 up says ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device - does anyone have any ideas what might have happened?
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18:10<solar_george>don't worry fixed it
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18:18<pauldoo>(how does this channel relate to the freenode one?)
18:18<flowerbomb>ETH24.NET 31389
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18:25<Metalman>pauldoo, by debian i guess :)
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18:26<pauldoo>Metalman: is either more official?
18:26<Metalman>i don't know
18:26<themill>pauldoo: not really. You'll find many of the same people on both channels.
18:27<pauldoo>are many people experiencing the ruby error messages from dhelp in lenny?
18:27<tetrimino>is Jello here?
18:28<tetrimino>nope
18:28<kcin8>i'm getting an error about gcc not being able to create executables. i did apt-get install gcc but it seems i'm still missing something. anyone know which package i need to get?
18:29<tetrimino>well they thing is i had some problems installing nvidia drivers and in the try i fuck'd up xorg.conf
18:29<pauldoo>kcin8: what is the error message?
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18:29<kcin8>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
18:30<tetrimino>so im looking for a guy who is willing to make a NEWBIE tutorial on how to install nvidia drivers.. short, easy and delicious
18:30<kcin8>before it said i dint have any C compiler so i did apt-get install gcc
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18:31<pauldoo>kcin8: sounds a bit strange to me. all I can suggest is cleaning the thing you are trying to "./configure", maybe it has something stale in a cache
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18:32<themill>!b-e kcin8
18:32<dpkg>kcin8: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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18:35<tetrimino>can somebody tell me how to install nvidia drivers for a Geforce 7950..
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18:36<tetrimino>please dont refer me to some exstreme complicated guide
18:36<q^q>tetrimino: use "sgfxi" as root: cd /usr/local/bin && wget http://techpatterns.com/downloads/distro/sgfxi && chmod +x sgfxi && sgfxi
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18:38<themill>wtf is sgfxi?
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18:43<tetrimino>ok now the driver should be installed..
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18:43<tetrimino>how does i test my nvidia drivers?
18:43<themill>tetrimino: are you using sidux?
18:44<tetrimino>sidux?
18:44<themill>just checking... don't worry
18:44<tetrimino>im running etch
18:45<themill>!drxx tetrimino
18:45<dpkg>tetrimino: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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18:46<syntax>I just replaced my Linux Kernel with the NT kernel and now my system won't boot. how do I fix it?
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18:46<tetrimino>no X server known for your video hardware?
18:47<amphi>syntax: install a win95 kernel
18:47<syntax>what kinda video card?
18:47<syntax>amphi, is that stable though?
18:47<themill>tetrimino: did you follow q^q's advice?
18:47<syntax>and will I have to apt-get install winsock
18:47<tetrimino>geforce 7950.. runs smooth in ubuntu
18:47<amphi>syntax: indubitably
18:47<amphi>heh, trumpet winsock
18:47<syntax>awesome
18:48<syntax>I wonder what dependencies winsock will have
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18:48<syntax>ok, now for the real question
18:49<tetrimino>can someone take me through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
18:49<themill>tetrimino: did you start by following q^q's advice?
18:49<syntax>I have a Debian box where the monitor goes blank, yet the LED is still green. I can't seem to "wake" it from this state.
18:49<tetrimino>what was his advice? themill.. didn't get his name so im not sure we are thinking of the same guy
18:50<themill>tetrimino: so what have you done?
18:50<tetrimino>i copy/pasted some command from here to terminal..
18:51<syntax>tetrimino, you're a very trusting individual
18:51<themill>q^q: you started him using some dodgy script... you'd better follow it up
18:51<syntax>tetrimino, can you run the useradd command for me?
18:51<tetrimino>yeah i know syntax.. biggist mistake
18:51<tetrimino>ofcourse syntax :D
18:51<themill>especially since it's a 3300 line shell script that it downloaded and then ran
18:51<syntax>su to root and type passwd, then pretty the enter key until you get back to your prompt
18:52<syntax>please, don't do that. it was a joke
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18:52<tetrimino>themill the command install what i thought was the driver since it downloaded from the official danish debian server
18:52<tetrimino>*installed
18:54<themill>q^q: ping
18:54<q^q>http://techpatterns.com/forums/about933.html
18:55<themill>q^q: that script has testing/sid/sidux written all over it. Does it work with etch?
18:56<q^q>not tested , but the author say so
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18:57<themill>"maybe stable, although I haven't tested stable recently." <== great recommendatiaon
18:57<themill>especially since the handling of nvidia drivers changes a lot between etch and lenny
18:58<tetrimino>so can you fix me dr. themill?
18:58<tetrimino>and do you know a way to test if the driver works?
18:58<themill>tetrimino: I don't really feel like wading through a 3300 line script to work out what it's already done. Especially not at midnight.
18:59<tetrimino>thats okay
18:59<themill>tetrimino: ask q^q... you're his responsibility :P
18:59<tetrimino>what i was asking for is if you know a command that test your drivers
18:59<tetrimino>so i can see if my graphiccard actually works
19:00<tetrimino>would be nice..
19:00<tetrimino>would like to play some ETQW again
19:00<syntax>tetrimino, you're trying to test if you're getting accelerated graphics?
19:01<tetrimino>yes
19:01<syntax>glxgears
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19:01<syntax>see if them lil' gears spin fast :-)
19:01<tetrimino>command not found
19:02<syntax>apt-cache search glxgears
19:02<tetrimino>mesa-utils - Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities
19:02<syntax>apt-get install that
19:02<tetrimino>okidoki
19:02<syntax>apt-get install mesa-utils -y
19:03<tetrimino>E: Invalid operation mesa-utils
19:03<syntax>eh?
19:04<syntax>apt-get update ; apt-get install mesa-utils -y
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19:04<maybeway36>make sure "install" is spelled right
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19:04<tetrimino>they spin :D
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19:05<syntax>fast?
19:05<tetrimino>now does that mean it works?
19:05<themill>glxinfo |grep direct
19:05<tetrimino>in a good speed yes
19:05<syntax>themill, what does that do?
19:05<tetrimino>yes
19:06<syntax>tetrimino, you're good to go, then
19:06<themill>syntax: glxinfo shows opengl settings. one of which should be "direct rendering: Yes" if you have opengl enabled
19:06<tetrimino>yihaaa
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19:06<syntax>themill, nice
19:06<tetrimino>hey themill can you give the command to install the graphiccard again?
19:06<tetrimino>wanna write it down
19:06<syntax>I believe themill's suggestion would be a better way of telling whether it's working or not
19:06<tetrimino>cause it was very easy
19:07<themill>syntax: spinny gears are good too :)
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19:08<syntax>themill, yeah, but if he didn't see them spin before with unaccelerated graphics, it'd be hard for him to know. it's like asking a person with bad eye sight if their vision is bad :-)
19:08<themill>of course
19:08<syntax>but the wheels do spin fairly slow with unaccelerated
19:09<tetrimino>i dont need to restart do i?
19:09<syntax>so, if someone says, "well, they're kinda fast", we know what's up
19:09<syntax>tetrimino, restart what?
19:09<tetrimino>my system?
19:09<syntax>you only need to restart if you change your kernel or if there's an i/o error
19:10<syntax>or possibly a stale nfs mount issue
19:10<themill>syntax: I've seen the gears spin sufficiently fast that they looked like they were spinning backwards due to odd interactions between refresh rate and redraw rate.
19:10<syntax>I can't think of any other scenarios where you'd need to restart
19:10<tetrimino>is it possible to change my resolution..
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19:10<syntax>themill, was you getting accelerated graphics at that time?
19:10<themill>tetrimino: run xrandr
19:10<themill>syntax: yeah
19:10<syntax>tetrimino, yeah
19:11<tetrimino>max resolution is 1280x1024 even though my screen normally is on 1440x900
19:11<syntax>tetrimino, whatever generated your xorg.conf limited that
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19:12<syntax>personally, I like to run "X --configure" to generate one based on what the X server detects
19:12<themill>tetrimino: you might need to monkey with your xorg.conf. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might solve that for you
19:12<tetrimino>ok i'll try
19:12<syntax>it'll make a new config file for you and back up your original, then you gotta make minor adjustments to the xorg.conf
19:13<syntax>I think it's the Debian X Server config script that limits him
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19:13<syntax>after you generate a new config with "X --configure", I think all I had to do was change the video driver line from nv to nvidia
19:13<syntax>could be wrong though
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19:15<tetrimino>themill i add 1440x900 but it's still not in the resolution menu
19:15<themill>tetrimino: you will need to log out of X and log back in again before any of that takes effect
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19:15<tetrimino>okidoki
19:15<syntax>tetrimino, restart the display manager
19:16<syntax> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
19:16<syntax>or kdm if it's K Desktop
19:16<tetrimino>/etc/init.d/gdm restart right?
19:16<tetrimino>yeah
19:16<tetrimino>ok
19:16<syntax>gdm is for gnome
19:16<syntax>Gnome Display Manager
19:17<syntax>I do the X --configure because the X server runs an EDID check on the monitor to see what it supports
19:17<syntax>seems to be more accurate than what the Debian script does
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19:18<themill>syntax: depends on the version of xorg you have though. Hardware detection has changed a lot recently.
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19:18<tetrimino>wow it wont the /etc/init.d/gdm restart command
19:18<tetrimino>or the "stop"
19:19<syntax>themill, this is something I've been doing before it was forked to xorg. I still have problems with Debian's x config script
19:19<syntax>tetrimino, huh?
19:20<tetrimino>Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdmstart-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 16812: Operation not permitted
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19:20<q^q>tetrimino: as root, boy
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19:20<tetrimino>i tried as root
19:20<tetrimino>and it said
19:21<tetrimino>No such file or directory
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19:21<syntax>then you're not using gdm
19:21<syntax>are you in gnome or kde?
19:21<tetrimino>gnome :D
19:21<tetrimino>so i should be using gdm
19:21<syntax>perhaps that is but maybe it's using kdm
19:21<syntax>try /etc/init.d/kdm restart
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19:22<tetrimino>same thing
19:22<q^q>or /etc/init.d/xdm restart
19:22<syntax>sorry I wasn't clear on that. the display manager isn't dependent upon the environment you run in
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19:22<syntax>yeah, could be the old school x display manager, xdm
19:22<tetrimino>and i have been using the gdm command a few times this night
19:22<syntax>ps aux |grep dm
19:22<syntax>see which display manager is running
19:23<tetrimino>gdm
19:23<syntax>you see gdm running?
19:23<syntax>you can kill -HUP it
19:23<tetrimino>ps aux |grep dm
19:23<tetrimino>ups
19:24<tetrimino>root 16812 0.0 0.0 11416 1736 ? Ss 02:42 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm
19:24<themill>Log out and at the login screen hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. Old school but effective.
19:24<syntax>yeah, that works
19:24<syntax>ctrl-alt-backspace
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19:24<syntax>or kill -HUP 16812
19:24<syntax>is HUP right?
19:25<syntax>forgetting my kill commands
19:25<syntax>checking, brb
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19:25<tetrimino>it worked
19:25<tetrimino>thank you guys very much
19:26<syntax>np
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19:26<tetrimino>now i guess i can begin installing ETQW :D
19:26<tetrimino>how nice :D
19:26<syntax>tetrimino, if you can afford it, get the book Running Linux by O'Reily
19:26<syntax>that game is fun
19:26<syntax>it was really cool for them to make it free
19:27<tetrimino>ok i will buy the book then. thanks for the advice
19:27<tetrimino>did they make ETQW free?
19:28<tetrimino>don't you mean ET: Castle Wolfenstein?
19:28<syntax>I'm pretty sure it is
19:28<syntax>oh, I mean RtCW: ET
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19:29<tetrimino>yeah exactly :D
19:29<tetrimino>which is a pretty game too
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19:29<tetrimino>have you tried True Combat Elite?
19:29<syntax>QW didn't look too good to me
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19:30<tetrimino>well it's not Quake.. i can say that much
19:31<tetrimino>but its an awesome co-op game
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19:31<tetrimino>because you like get mission and shit while you fuck people with guns :D
19:31<syntax>I loved RtCW
19:31<tetrimino>phew phew phew :D
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19:31<tetrimino>imma chargin' mah laaaaaaazer!
19:31<tetrimino>:D
19:31<syntax>played it competitively
19:32<tetrimino>nice
19:32<syntax>same with SoF2
19:32<tetrimino>i play Day of Defeat Source competitively
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19:35<syntax>DoD is fun
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19:36<tetrimino>it was fun until they decided to patch it
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19:36<tetrimino>made it more Team Fortressish
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19:37<tetrimino>killcam, achievement, tf2 explosions
19:37<q^q>tetrimino: hey "boys" use "/j #debian-offtopic" for such kind of discussions
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19:38<tetrimino>and almost no recoil which have made the machine guns imba as fuck..
19:38<tetrimino>sorry Q
19:38<tetrimino>wont happen again
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19:47<mejo>hey
19:47<mejo>is there any way to set variables in fetchmailrc? I'd like to use something like 'set logfile logs/fetchmail-$YEAR-$MONTH.log'
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19:52<syntax>used to csh, eh?
19:52<syntax>I'm not sure if that rc file uses bash or your default shell. I'd assume it'd be your default shell
19:53<mejo>doesn't seem like it uses shell at all
19:54<mejo>syntax: did you talk to me?
19:54<syntax>yes, that was to you
19:54<syntax>it uses some shell
19:55<syntax>seems that your syntax is based on csh or tcsh and it possibly uses sh. try changing it to sh syntax
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19:55<mejo>no syntax for fetchmailrc is correct
19:56<mejo>only the variables don't get used.
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19:56<mejo>i cannot even set them. 'YEAR=2008' gives an error
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19:56<syntax>hmm
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19:57<themill>mejo: I don't believe fetchmailrc supports variables. see man fetchmailrc for more info though (if you have not already)
19:57<mejo>i did, and nothing is mentioned.
19:58<mejo>to bad, so i'll have to use logrotate or whatever for splitted logfiles.
19:58<syntax>I believe themill is correct
19:58<syntax>I don't see any mention of variables or escaping to process shell commands
19:58<themill>mejo: logrotate sounds like a much better method for it. crontab -e :)
19:59<mejo>all right, thanks
19:59<syntax>and logrotate will do a better job at it
20:00<mejo>if fetchmailrc would support variables, i'd prefer to use logfile = logs/fetchmail-$YEAR-$MONTH.log
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20:00<syntax>I see
20:01<themill>mejo: you'll probably need to sigusr1 fetchmail to get it to change log file when you logrotate btw. Perhaps actually kill it and restart it. You'll have to check.
20:01<syntax>well, like us GNU users always say, "It's open source, so you can modify it to your needs"
20:02<syntax>I grit my teeth every time I hear that, though, because I can't code for shit
20:02<themill>mejo: actually, check man 1 fetchmail for what it says about rotating logs
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20:04<syntax>has anyone encountered a problem where the monitor LED is green yet the screen is blank and you cant get it out of that mode without restarting?
20:05<mejo>syntax: sounds like a frozen xserver :-)
20:05<syntax>I'm pretty sure it can still be VNC'd to
20:05<syntax>but I have not tested that myself
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20:07<mejo>themill: all right, so variables in fetchmailrc wouldn't be an option anyway. thanks for figuring that out.
20:07<themill>mejo: good luck with it!
20:07<mejo>i think i'll stay with a huge monolitic logfile for now
20:08<syntax>does logrotate not do it for you?
20:09<themill>!info getmail4
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20:09<themill>dpkg, you're slow
20:09<dpkg>getmail4: (mail retriever with support for POP3, IMAP4 and SDPS), section mail, is optional. Version: 4.7.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 143 kB, Installed size: 632 kB
20:09<dpkg>No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1!
20:10<themill>mejo: ^^ just as another idea. never tried it myself.
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20:11<jmtechy>hi i was just wondering if the debian dvd iso comes with option to choose lxde as a environment instead of gnome or kde?
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20:17<syntax>!dpkg lxde
20:19<syntax>what the heck is lxde?
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20:20<qq>syntax: Lightweight X11 Desktop Environmen
20:20<qq>t
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20:21<syntax>is it any good?
20:22<qq>i don't used it
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20:22<qq> apt-cache show lxde
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20:23<themill>!info lxde
20:23<dpkg>lxde: (Meta-package for the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.2.1+svn20080509-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
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20:25<qq>!info slim
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20:25<dpkg>slim: (desktop-independent graphical login manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 445 kB, Installed size: 676 kB
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20:41<latitude>hello, everyone
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20:41<jmtechy>srry was afk, as for lxde its bloody brillient it comes with its own terminal and file manager programs so no need to worry about kde and gnome dependicies
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20:42<latitude>i have quagga set up on lenny with bgpd enabled
20:42<jmtechy>syntax: and therfore saving a lot of of hdd space
20:43<latitude>I can see routes from neighbour but no one is installed to kernel table
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20:43<latitude>maybe someone knows what can be the cause of this?
20:44<latitude>i've already searched google a lot, but found related only for some old releases of quagga
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21:08<q^q>bonsoir cybergirl
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21:12<q^q>jmtechy, yes , great lxde, thanks
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21:20<seve>Can anyone give me any clue as to what this means: http://pastie.org/246013, yes I'm a n00b.
21:21<seve>I'm using lenny
21:22<d0rt>maybe remove libssl-dev?
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21:22<seve>not installed
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21:22<seve>I'm trying to install it
21:23<seve>but that's what happens when i run: apt-get install -f libssl-dev
21:23<kannon>hello, any xen channel?
21:24<q^q>seve, do first >>>> apt-get update
21:24<seve>That's been failing
21:24<seve>let me pastie it
21:24<seve>http://pastie.org/246014
21:25<kannon>i am configuring xen and i have doubt
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21:26<q^q>seve, comment all in sources list, so >>> # http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non ....
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21:27<latitude>if i'm right non-US/US divison is not done since etch
21:27<seve>will do
21:27<q^q> all >>> http://non-us.deb
21:27<^_^>a
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21:28<fer>O_o
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21:28<amphi>°_°
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21:30<q^q>seve, than paste the resulted sources.list
21:30<q^q>!paste
21:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:31<seve>I'm sorry, I'm a bit lost
21:31<seve>should i do: apt-key list
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21:32<q^q>seve, than paste the resulted sources.list
21:32<jmtechy>seve basicaly it saying that its requirments/dependecies arent installed
21:32<seve>gotcha
21:32<jmtechy>once you install the libssl-dev its should install ok
21:32<seve>http://pastie.org/246016
21:33<q^q>[03:32:33] <q^q> seve, than paste the resulted sources.list
21:34<jmtechy>or even simply installing libssl might help to
21:34<q^q>/etc/apt/sources.list
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21:35<seve>not there
21:35<seve>there's a directory, with sources.list.d
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21:35<q^q>seve, you run sidux ?
21:36<seve>Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l
21:37<seve>http://pastie.org/246018
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21:39<seve>I'm screwed
21:39<koops>hi guys... i have a problem with epiphany and firefox... sometimes while im browsin the net they close... am i missin a package or something?
21:39<q^q>seve, i just told you to comment all lines with deb http://non-us.debian...
21:40<seve>gotcha
21:40<seve>sorry I couldn't find the file
21:40<q^q>put an "#" before
21:40<seve>now that makes sense
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21:41<q^q>comment too all lines with deb-src
21:41<seve>done
21:41<seve>still erroring out though
21:42<seve>http://pastie.org/246019
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21:43<RIVE>HI, good evening.
21:43<jmtechy>seve have u installed the libssland libssl-dev?
21:43<jmtechy>*seve have u installed the libssl and libssl-dev?
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21:45<jmtechy>typicaly a install will not work if the dependencies are not met
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21:45<jmtechy>therfore install the dependecies and retry the install
21:45<seve>libssl is installed
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21:45<jmtechy>how bout linssl-dev>
21:45<jmtechy>*?
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21:46<jmtechy>*libssl-dev
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21:46<seve>that's what my problem is
21:46<seve>it fails on that
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21:46<seve>http://pastie.org/246013
21:47<q^q>seve, why you don't do the modifications I told you ?
21:47<jmtechy>ok the try sudo apt-get install -f
21:47<seve>I commented out the sources
21:47<q^q>no
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21:48<seve>oh
21:48<q^q>paste sources again
21:49<q^q>use paste.debian.net for
21:49<jmtechy>q^q: wouldnt a simple apt-get install -f after the installs been tried auto fetch the dependices?
21:50<jmtechy>or is it different on the desktops?
21:50<q^q>jmtechy, yes, but he has a scrwed formated sources list
21:50<jmtechy>oh ok
21:50<seve>q^q, http://paste.debian.net/13636/
21:50<jmtechy>atm i only have debian-eeepc on my eeepc atm
21:51<seve>Also, thank you guys so damn much
21:51<jmtechy>i have mandriva on my desktop i use 32bit server kernels as i have 8gb ram and no i will not go 64bit as its crappy compatability issues
21:52<q^q>seve, line 1. lenny testing stable , use only testing
21:52<seve>just delete the others?
21:53<q^q>yes
21:53<RIVE>jmtechy, what type of incompatibilities have 64bit?
21:53<q^q> seve, comment line 3 .
21:53<q^q>no comment line 4.
21:54<jmtechy>which is why im searching for a debian desktop that allows the usage of 32bit kernels and actualy use all 8gb ram withou needing to resort to 64bit , also has option to install lxde instead of gnome and kde
21:54<jmtechy>games, flash
21:54<weild>hi, i've mounted a directory on a remote mashine with sshfs as a normal user and i can access it. but i can't access it as root - any ideas?
21:54<jmtechy>i play dofus alot and its a flash game so cancels that out also i find et:qw sound dont work on 64bit
21:54<RIVE>jmtechy: I use flash in Lenny AMD64.
21:54<seve>It's failing on the binary-amd64/packages
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21:55<jmtechy>serious hows the graphics munted?
21:55<RIVE>Enemy Territory, not QW has sound.
21:55<jmtechy>i have install dvd of et:qw
21:55<jmtechy>and the port for it
21:56<jmtechy>doesn enemy teritorys use the qw dvd?
21:57<jmtechy>i love debian but ive been using madndriva since it was mandrake 9.0 so im kinda reluctant to switch from it on my desktop
21:57<Nemoder>ETQW requires data files from the dvd to install but not to play
21:57<jmtechy>rive whats flash like with the graphics on amd64 bit?
21:58<RIVE>jmtechy: works wihtout a flaw.
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21:59<jmtechy>nice on mandriva its all screwed so i figured itl be the same with all linnuxs
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22:00<jmtechy>sweet whats the latest debian 64bit dvd installer?
22:00<jmtechy>is it 4.0?
22:00<Nemoder>flash just needs to be installed properly either with a 32bit browser or the nswrapper plugin
22:00<jmtechy>yeah i now whow to use nswrapper
22:01<jmtechy>*how
22:01<Nemoder>4.0r4 is the latest stable, although I recommend the Lenny beta net installer for desktop use
22:02<jmtechy>ty ill have to look it up
22:02<Nemoder>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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22:05<jmtechy>as i said i use the eeepc version atm well on my eeepc anyways find its more better than the mandriva by a mile
22:05<RIVE>I used nswrapper.
22:05<RIVE>jmtechy, i have a 701 eee with Debian, works very well.
22:05<jmtechy>isnt the full dvd worth the download?
22:06<jmtechy>rive same here
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22:06<jmtechy>just upgrade the ram to run nexuiz flawsley
22:06<jmtechy>*flawless
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22:07<RIVE>I update the ram to, 2G.
22:07<jmtechy>on 512mb it runs but jitters
22:08<jmtechy>flight gear simulator works too but needs mre ram than 512mb
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22:08<RIVE>Yes the Eee is a nice little laptop.
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22:08<seve>boo-ya
22:08<seve>fixed it
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22:08<seve>thanks for the help, peoples :)
22:08<qq>np
22:09<jmtechy>yes it is its also handy i installed vlc and can watch any movie format i wich except bluray
22:09<jmtechy>dvd rips works just fine
22:09<jmtechy>and the usb power consumption is miniamal
22:09<Xenguy>dvdrip?
22:10<jmtechy>oh i rip a dvd into .avi and they workjust fine on my eeepc
22:10<Xenguy>jmtechy: happy with the eeepc?
22:11<jmtechy>extremely
22:11<jmtechy>airhack is gudd to have too
22:11<Xenguy>jmtechy: keyboard work for you too?
22:12<jmtechy>yeas i got the webcam ,sound,mic, shortcuts basicaly evrything working
22:12<jmtechy>the one thing i hate is the mic's location
22:13<Xenguy>no show stopper tho
22:13<jmtechy>show stopper?
22:13<Xenguy>a critical flaw :-)
22:13<Xenguy>.oO(stops the show)
22:13<jmtechy>whats the show stopper?
22:13<jmtechy>i do not use xandros i have the debian os installed
22:14<Xenguy>location of the mike
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22:14<jmtechy>yeah
22:14<jmtechy>under the touchpad quite anoying
22:15<jmtechy>so not only is it muffled bieng under the eeepc but the clciks are super load
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22:15<jmtechy>and that i use lxde on it saves a alot of room on the 4gb ssd
22:16<Xenguy>can only get better (we hope :-)
22:16<Xenguy>er, the eeepc design/details
22:16<jmtechy>whats differnet between the full dvd and a netinstall besides the fact when you install you have to download the packages
22:16<RIVE>jmtechy, is the only diference.
22:17<Xenguy>jmtechy: I think you said it :-)
22:17<jmtechy>lol ok
22:17<jmtechy>kewlies
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22:18<jmtechy>whats the command in here to see if a particular package is available ie :v ?
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22:19<qq>dpkg -l | grep package_name
22:19<dpkg>ii | grep package_name 2.5-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
22:20<qq>or "apt-cache policy package_name"
22:21<qq>dpkg: you run ultraSpark ?
22:21<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
22:21<qq>dpkg: !sadly
22:21<dpkg>qq: I give up, what is it?
22:22<Xenguy>dpkg -l *packagename*
22:22<dpkg>ii *packagename* 3.1-3.1 xenguy's private gamp collection
22:22<Xenguy>heh
22:22<jmtechy>is that a -i or l
22:22<Xenguy>latter
22:22<jmtechy>dpkg -l virtualbox
22:22<dpkg>No packages found matching virtualbox
22:22<jmtechy>dpkg -l virtualbox-1.6
22:22<dpkg>ii virtualbox-1.6 1.7-5 jmtechy's private porn collection
22:23<jmtechy>lol
22:23<Ganneff>now, play via /msg please
22:23<Xenguy>heh
22:23<qq>jmtechy: use mouse to copy/paste
22:24<jmtechy>also with nvidias seperated xscreens can i still run different programs on each screen
22:24<jmtechy>?
22:24<qq>sure
22:25<jmtechy>ie like this > http://tubeimage.com/files/74clapi2q61p76v6fvd7-screenshot-of-my-fluxbox-system.jpg
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22:26<jmtechy>large cause its dual 19inch screens both at 1280x1024 resolution
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22:27<jmtechy>damn it i think tubeimage is down again
22:27<jmtechy>nope its just slow bandwitdh lol
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22:28<RIVE>NIce desktop jmtechy.
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22:29<jmtechy>like i said its a killer ( that was when i had 4gb ram only too
22:30<jmtechy>now you kinda understand my reluctance to change it lol till i know wverythings ok
22:30<RIVE>Yes i used two 19" lcd monitors, now only one 22", i miss the extra espace.
22:31<jmtechy>so it will work ok thats a reasurance
22:32<jmtechy>yeah that was when i took it to tech to show true multi processing power of linux compared to what windows does
22:33<jmtechy>you cant get seperated screens in windows its like its trying to have a fit just runing etqw and a movie on the other
22:33<jmtechy>wich blew the teacher/admin of it department away
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22:35<jmtechy>i am studying a+ os the term, next year im learning ccna 1st year, programming, data cabling, and hopefully if its offered game development
22:36<RIVE>I saw you like video games-
22:36<RIVE>I only play Enemy Territory.
22:37<jmtechy>what the hell 6 dvds for debian? what for
22:37<RIVE>jmtechy, for all the packages.
22:37<Nemoder>there is a lot of software in debian! that's why I recommended the net installer, it's not very big
22:38<RIVE>You can install fron a netinstall.
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22:39<jmtechy>nah i sometimes play openarena,nexuiz, flightgear, etqw,maplestory in vbox, and dofus atm i just play dofus, also have tales of pirates in wine and also batlestar galactica :beyond the red line demo
22:39<jmtechy>nah its just i have a 15gb capping
22:40<jmtechy>plann so netinstall is kinda hard with that
22:40<RIVE>jmtechy, did you have a blog?, i like to know how do you install those games.
22:40<Nemoder>I recommend Savage2, it has a native linux version and great team play
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22:41<jmtechy>yeah but you need to pay 30 bucks to activate it right?
22:41<jmtechy>is that per month or once off
22:41<Nemoder>one-time
22:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 324] by debhelper
22:42<jmtechy>oh well then thats ok then
22:42<Nemoder>it's also totally free to download and play on LAN
22:42<jmtechy>rive wich games?
22:42<RIVE>pirates in wine and also batlestar galactica :beyond the red line demo... those
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22:43<jmtechy>the later has a linux installer(native)
22:43<jmtechy>as for tales of pirates just run wine talesofpiratesinstaller.exe ( remove the sound folder after installs done)
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22:46<jmtechy>oh btw did you know there working on a port for marrowind thers a basic port available
22:46<jmtechy>http://openmw.snaptoad.com
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22:47<Nemoder>looks promising
22:48<jmtechy>yes it does :)
22:49<jmtechy>oh and to the fallout fans fife has been released a stable version ready for game developments
22:49<jmtechy>oh well looks like it will take 3 months to get all the dvds i need
22:50<jmtechy>lol i now the netinstall is small etc but wont that still require me to download alot of stuff?
22:50<Nemoder>a bit silly to get all the dvds for debian for just one system, it's highly unlikely you'ld need more that the first one for most common software
22:51<jmtechy>or just when i need to for dependecies
22:51<Nemoder>the netinstaller only downloads the packages you tell it to
22:51<Nemoder>(and their deps)
22:51<jmtechy>sweet
22:51<jmtechy>ill try that out
22:52<jmtechy>how on earth do i burn a business card cd can it be done in a normal dvd burner??
22:53<RIVE>Yes, you only need the right media to burn.
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22:53<RIVE>That's why in the cd/dvd carriege is a inner circle.
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22:58<jmtechy>yeah i now sweet that might help me more lol
22:59<jmtechy>amd64 is better for amd systems ia64 is what?
22:59<Nemoder>!ia64
22:59<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
22:59<jmtechy>i have amd system anyways
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23:00<RIVE>Itanium ia64, Xeon AMD64 for Debian.
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23:00<Sandokan512>Uolas
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23:00<Sandokan512>ya instalé el 2.6.25-2
23:00<Sandokan512>tengo 512 de ram
23:01<Sandokan512>y no sé por qué razón por defecto mi Lenny inicia con el 2.6.25-2 bigmen
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23:01<jclinton>Sandokan512: #debian-es
23:01<Sandokan512>que supuestamente es para equipos con mucha más ram
23:01<Sandokan512>ops sorry
23:02<jmtechy>meh i have amd all the way (amd fanboy do prefer ati graphics but i know it its crappy on linux so i have 9600gt 512mb
23:04<jmtechy>sweet cant wait till the 18th then i can install debian
23:04<jmtechy>:)
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23:06<jmtechy>dpgk -l lxde*
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23:14<jmtechy>dpgk -l lxde
23:14<jmtechy>am i talking to a dead horse here?
23:14<RIVE>Nop.
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23:17<stevecotton>if you're wanting to prod the bot, it's dpkg, not dpgk
23:19<jmtechy>oh lol
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23:19<jmtechy>dpkg -l lxde*
23:19<dpkg>ii lxde* 1.6-13 jmtechy's private stamp collection
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23:19<jmtechy>dpkg -l lxde-utils
23:19<dpkg>ii lxde-utils 2.7-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
23:19<jmtechy>dpkg -l lxde-common
23:19<dpkg>ii lxde-common 2.1-4 jmtechy's private porn collection
23:20<jmtechy>nice its all there
23:20<jmtechy>:)
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23:28<stevecotton>a cunning plan to get people to install your desktop packages there
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23:47<jmtechy>well i think of it as with out the dependicies of gnome or kde the footprint on a hdd is smaller and therfore the resources needed to run it are smaller so most of the power gets pumped into the programs/games
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23:48<ranix>jmtechy: better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt
23:49<jmtechy>lol
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23:50<diego>Hi, I want to configure a dial up back up connection, I would like to use ppp0 automatically if wlan0 or eth1 fail ... the order should be wlan0, eth1, ppp0
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23:50<diego>and the computer will be online by phone all time just in case
23:50<diego>can anyone help ?
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23:50<diego>it should change resolv.conf and routing automatically when one is down
23:51<diego>I can solve the routing, the problem it the DNS automatic change
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23:53<diego__>who
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