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---Logopened Sat Aug 02 00:00:59 2008
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00:05<sime>any knows any good tool to rip youtube vids?
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00:08<RIVE>sime: try
00:08<sime>thank you a lot
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00:29<^chewie>anyone ever have to update to lenny from sarge?
00:29<^chewie>would you stop at etch first?
00:29<^chewie>flip that
00:29<^chewie>sarge to lenny
00:29<ries>or etch
00:31<^chewie>I had a friend drop of his computer for his 3 year tune-up ;-)
00:32<^chewie>figured I would bring him in to the current century
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00:34<sime>if I wanna compile ffmpeg,should I remove it package first with synaptic
00:34<^chewie>I'll just go for it
00:34<^chewie>clean it up with a livecd if I must
00:35<^chewie>sime: why bother with synaptic? ;-)
00:36<sime>or apt-get..but do i have to remove the pre-compiled one?
00:36<^chewie>sime: if you're going to compile and install it under /usr/local, don't bother uninstalling the Debian one
00:36<^chewie>sime: just make sure /usr/local/bin shows up first in your PATH
00:36<^chewie>sime: shell$ echo $PATH
00:37<sime>sbin comes first
00:37<sime>and i also have with the ffmpeg /.configure
00:37<sime>install prefix /usr/local
00:37<^chewie>your PATH environment variable will dictate which binary gets called
00:37<^chewie>check out the BASH HOWTO
00:38<sime>ok thx
00:38<^chewie>sime: usually, the defaults for ./configure are to install apps under some form of /usr/local/something
00:38<^chewie>sime: force it with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
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01:12<Sandokan512>my ram is 512 but I don't know why my computer has 2.6.25-2 bigmem kernel and the bigmem run for defect and run 0k
01:13<Sandokan512>512 megas
01:13<Sandokan512>¿there are not problem? because I have read that the bigmem is for 4 gigas or more
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01:16<infinitycircuit>Sandokan512, it just has PAE enabled it should work fine with less than 4 gigs except for obscure hw problems
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01:25<blarson>Sandokan512: It should just be slightly slower.
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01:30<meandtheshell1>interesting question: is there a way to figure when a debian box has been installed i.e. is there a timestamp recorded at installation time?
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01:34<newsense>meandtheshell1: maybe /var/log/installer not sure though
01:34<newsense>id look in there maybe
01:35<meandtheshell1>newsense: will check / thx
01:35<newsense>look at the dates on those files
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01:37<newsense>meandtheshell: anything in there helpful ?
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01:38<chami>Hey folks!
01:38<meandtheshell1>well, yes, the ctime of those files is quite a good indicator I guess (at least I haven't found a better one yet)
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01:40<newsense>im sure there is a better way, im just not aware of one sorry
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01:42<meandtheshell1>same here ... as soon as I figure one I'tell the world ;)
01:42<newsense>let me know
01:43<newsense>im all over google cause im curious now
01:43<newsense>dont see shit though
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01:43<cahoot>the question pops up from time to time, never seen a simple answer
01:43<meandtheshell1>makes two of us :)
01:44<meandtheshell1>well, at first I thought lsb_release -a might do the trick but no ...
01:44<newsense>dirs should have original ctimes
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01:45<newsense>you would think they would not change right
01:45<newsense>ls -al /
01:45<newsense>should give ya the date
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01:45<newsense>i would think
01:46<texplorer>it gives last modified date
01:46<newsense>and dirs in / should have date of installation time right
01:47<newsense>unless the partitions are from another install
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01:48<newsense>nm guess not
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01:49<texplorer>technically "yes"
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01:49<newsense>not really now that i look at my dirs
01:49<texplorer>but everytime you install a new pkg, mostof the root directories gets change
01:50<newsense>i was thinking only the file access times were modified buti guess the access times are transfered to dirs they reside in ?
01:51<newsense>would that be correct ?
01:51<texplorer>changing files means, you are modifying the dircotry contents
01:52<texplorer>so it should changed :)
01:52<newsense>ok i got it
01:52<newsense>i wasnt thinking logically
01:52<cahoot>if you could know for sure grub hasn't been reinstalled - prehaps /boot/grub/stage1?
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01:53<newsense>i would think /var/log/installer would be best place no ?
01:53<alien>hello friends. Ciao a tutti.
01:53<newsense>ctimes on those files
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01:53<texplorer>for what? ( i just installed my new irc client, so i dont know the history )
01:54<texplorer>hey alien!
01:54<newsense>anyone here using ssl to connect to oftc ?
01:55<texplorer>newsense, wht's your requirement ??
01:55<newsense>just wondering if it seems lggy to anyone else ?
01:56<alien>good morning to all Debian friends
01:56<newsense>gm alien, 1 am here in chicago
01:56<Sertse>explain oftc debian and freenode debian to me
01:57<newsense>2 different irc networks
01:57<texplorer>it's not morning to chicago :P
01:57<newsense>early morning
01:57<alien>:-) excuse. Good day to all Debian friends...
01:57<texplorer>well...i'm from SL...and we had morning few hours ago :D
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01:58<Sertse>and do we see them as our mortal enemies? :)
01:58<texplorer>see who?
01:58<newsense>im in #debian on boh networks
01:58<newsense>only difference is about 350 people
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01:59<newsense>join both but try not to post same ? in both channels as many people are in #debian on freenode and oftc
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02:01<newsense>and oftc offers ssl connections and i dont think freenode offers ssl at this time
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02:01<texplorer>very true newsense
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02:02<alien>news from next Defcon of Las Vegas?
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02:10<texplorer>folks, i'm going out for while
02:10<newsense>ill go to defcon one day within the next 10 yrs
02:10<texplorer>will be back
02:10<newsense>later texplorer
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02:21<vizor>have anybody skill to get modem on lenovo t61?
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02:29<manu_hack>hi, is it okay to have 20 entries for badram patch?
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02:55<gsimmons>vizor: The modem should be supported using the SmartLink software modem driver (sl-modem). Install the 'sl-modem-daemon' package, then compile the required modules via module-assistant. The module source is only available for the i386 architecture, along with a compilation issue on 2.6.24 kernels (see #475205 in the BTS).
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02:56<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: That's interesting - I think I have that kind of modem in my laptop
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02:58<EmleyMoor>Almost never need to use it but handy to know
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03:08<valdyn>gsimmons: theres probably an alsa module too, which is supported by sl-modem-daemon
03:08<gsimmons>valdyn: Yep, that too.
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05:17<SledgY>What is the name of the file in /etc that maps MAC addresses to eth? names?
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05:18<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
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05:20<SledgY>gsimmons: That require a reboot or just restart networking?
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05:23<gsimmons>SledgY: Running udevtrigger should suffice.
05:23<SledgY>Cool thanks, worked right.
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05:46<martyn>yo ppl
05:46<martyn>hows da hood in da house
05:47<martyn>owz ppl doin?
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05:52<binary0x5c>hey all
05:53<binary0x5c>Just wondered if anybody knew whether the new installer actually uses the new kernel (linux-2.6.24) or whether it still uses (linux-2.6.18)
05:54<gsimmons>binary0x5c: 2.6.18 for the 4.0r4-* installer images, 2.6.24 for the 4.0r4etchnhalf-* images.
05:54<binary0x5c>ahh..woops, that would explain why hardware that is supported under 2.6.24 wasn't working with my installer
05:55<binary0x5c>I can get the hardware working on this laptop with the old installer, but it's a lot harder
05:55<binary0x5c>ok, thanks, I'll go get the 4.0rtetchnhalf-* image
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05:56<binary0x5c>sorry, where can I find the 4.0r4etchnhalf-* image?
05:58<binary0x5c>ahh, it's okay, I found ir
05:58<gsimmons>!tell binary0x5c -about etchnhalf
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06:13<stevell>hi, I've encountered an issue while trying to install the lastest version of debian for amd64; while installing the base-system I get the error-messsage that aptitude is corrupted
06:14<stevell>is it possible to fetch the base installation from a mirror from the setup and avoid using the iso containing the corrupted file?
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06:20*qq stevell > troll.list
06:22<MrNaz>whats the best option for securely mounting remote filesystems over the internet? nfs over ssh or is there a better method ? nfs over ssh looks really, really complicated
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06:29<adema>so no one can answer me ?
06:29<adema>when do the next testing be available ?
06:29<adema>because i set my sources.list to get testing packages not lenny packages, it's usually the same but in case of freeze, will the testing(not lenny) be update/upgrade ?
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06:32<qq>until release lenny , lenny (freeze or not) rest testing
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06:34<adema>so there is no active testing while lenny is freezed
06:34<adema>just bug fixe
06:34<adema>and secu update
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06:36<qq> bug fixing and secu update means very active testing
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06:46<qq>adema: lenny to lenny update >>> 1292 upgraded, 825 newly installed, 38 to remove and 4 not upgraded
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06:46<qq> Need to get 2457MB of archives
06:46<qq>After unpacking 3399MB of additional disk space will be used
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06:50<adema>well your lenny seems to be old ...
06:50<qq>half year
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06:55<amphi>#gamp !
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07:00<hatter>how do i troubleshoot this : WARNING: raw1394 kernel module is not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw1394 ?
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07:35<superjet_busy>is it possible to get the source of dpkg bot?
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07:39<hever>Hi I'm starting a zope deamon with "exec "$PYTHON" "$ZDCTL" -C "$CONFIG_FILE" "$@"". Its listed with the zope interpreter in ps -A. What's the best way to get it listed as "zope" there ?
07:39<hever>sry with the python interpeter "python2.4"
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07:48<pumpkin0>superjet_busy: he is open soucre. Ask him about infobot
07:48<EmleyMoor>I wish there was a fast way to do backups
07:49<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: depends on the backup medium und amout of data...
07:49<EmleyMoor>pumpkin0: Where the amount of data is the problem, I can't see an easy way
07:49<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: faster backup systems?
07:50<EmleyMoor>pumpkin0: I suppose I could get something that can just take the tar files directly - but the USB is none too reliable on this machine
07:51<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: USB is slow by definition. Use at least FW800 or GEthernet.
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07:52<EmleyMoor>pumpkin0: I back up to a spacious partition at the moment and then process the results into DVD-size portions
07:52<EmleyMoor>It's been going nearly 12 and a half hours now
07:52<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: (note data transfer rate and capacity)
07:54<EmleyMoor>I'd certainly think about it
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07:55<pumpkin0>You cannot use it directly from laptops since the laptop HDs are about 3x slower then the tape drive ...
07:55<EmleyMoor>Little problem - only one laptop anyway
07:56<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: Gethernet ?
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07:56<EmleyMoor>I haven't got that yet - and it looks as though it will be a long time before I can
07:57<pumpkin0>Firewire ? Even the 400MBit/s version is faster then USB 2.0.
07:57<EmleyMoor>I have no firewire yet either
07:58<EmleyMoor>(though I'm sure it's only a matter of time)
07:58<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: PCMCIA-Slot so you can add stuff?
07:59<EmleyMoor>That would need me to use the laptop to do the job - not really practical
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07:59<EmleyMoor>(unless I add PCMCIA to the desktop)
07:59<stels88>gays help me i install debian - and my sound card dont work - and driver for my video card (audio = AD1988) and Video = Nvidia Geforce 5200
08:00<pumpkin0>Well, add Gethernet via PCMCIA/PcCard to the laptop.
08:00<stels88>apt-get install (name of video package ???)
08:00<pumpkin0>stels88: lenny or etch ?
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08:02<superjet_busy>pumpkin0: thanks! :)
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08:04<pumpkin0>stels88: with 3D or just basic desktop ?
08:05<stels88>basic desktop
08:06<pumpkin0>stels88: install the nv-driver or read this:
08:06<hever>Hi I'm starting a zope deamon with "exec "$PYTHON" "$ZDCTL" -C "$CONFIG_FILE" "$@"". Its listed with the python interpreter in ps -A. What's the best way to get it listed as "zope" there ?
08:07<stels88>i am used - net install cd - when install: apt-get install xorg \ gnome \ oss - and sound and video dont work
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09:58<thinh>need help with setting up wireless card and sound card
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10:02<gad0>I did a fresh installation of debian, & have sources list taken from wiki after running apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update, 'm still getting error: signature not verified cause public key in not available
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10:02<gad0>& repos added to sources.list are they correct since I have taken from wiki ?
10:02<ravenbird>okay, gad0
10:03<gad0>ravenbird, ?
10:03<ravenbird>i haven't a clue, gad0
10:04<gad0>ravenbird, please take a look at
10:04<ravenbird>gad0: wish i knew
10:04<gad0>should I remove something
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10:06<gsimmons>gad0: You'd want to remove use of the non-US packages archive (line 18). It has been discontinued.
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10:07<slept>gad apt-get update ?
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10:07<gad0>slept, it says public key not available
10:08<gad0>gsimmons, shall I remove anything else since am not from US
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10:10<gsimmons>gad0: You may want to use a mirror located within (or closer to) your country.
10:10<gsimmons>!tell gad0 -about sources.list
10:11<Gurka>Hi all, I got a problem: I can't be sudo on my only account. I can however log in as superuser (I guess thats what su stand for) but when i type sudo -v I get the message: Sorry, user gurka may not run sudo on Gurka. I tried changing the user priviledges and group of my user to both sudo and root, but I still can't be sudo. What should I do?
10:11<SledgY>If in the kernel config (under /boot) an item is listed as "is not set", does this mean I'm going to need to compile a new kernel to activate the item?
10:11<SledgY>Need CONFIG_NET_RADIO for madwifi drivers
10:12<gad0>gsimmons, slept in mirror list india seems to be missing ?
10:13<gad0>US would be better I suppose
10:13<gsimmons>Gurka: man sudoers
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10:16<gsimmons>gad0: There is a secondary mirror of the Debian archive located in India.
10:16<gsimmons>!tell gad0 -about mirrors
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10:19<gad0>gsimmons, so I just add this line " " to sources.list & am done right ?
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10:21<SledgY>Also can anybody else pull up, I'm getting a DNS failure...
10:21<EmleyMoor>Under Gnome, how can I access menus without a working mouse?
10:21<gad0>SledgY, not opening here
10:21<SledgY>gad0: Thanks, not just me then
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10:22<gad0>!tell nvidia
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10:22<gad0>!tell -about nvidia
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10:24<Gurka>How hard would it be to get xfce insteath of gnome?
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10:24<gad0>very less compared to gnome
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10:25<Gurka>I guess that sudo aptitude install xfce wont work?
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10:27<gsimmons>!install xfce
10:27<dpkg>Install the package "xfce4" or boot off CD3 of the CD sets (that's the xfce install cd) or specify "tasks=xfce-desktop" at the debian-installer boot prompt.
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10:27<Gurka>Ok, thanks alot
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10:39<EmleyMoor>Someone pulled my trackball out and crashed the whole USB it was on]
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10:40<slept>modinfo tells me for 8139too parm: full_duplex:8139too: Force full duplex for board(s) (1) (array of int) parm: media:8139too: Bits 4+9: force full duplex, bit 5: 100Mbps (array of int) how do I set those ?
10:40<slept>since i can't get it to do full duplex otherwise
10:41<gsimmons>slept: man modprobe.conf; see /etc/modprobe.d/*
10:41<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: backup done before that ?
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10:42<EmleyMoor>No - but it had just started a new partition, from which I have resumed
10:42<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: get an external USB HD and do it over night.
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10:42<EmleyMoor>I do do this overnight - but the monthly takes more than overnight
10:43<slept>gsimmons, i know how to hand over a paramter , i just don't know the name of the parameter - it's not full_duplex
10:43<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: on USB-HD ? get a faster drive.
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10:43<EmleyMoor>No, not on USB-HD
10:43<EmleyMoor>On spare space on HD
10:43<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: ah, the HD-to-same-HD problem.
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10:44<EmleyMoor>pumpkin0: Yes - I've been meaning to get a dedicated HD for this job
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10:45<EmleyMoor>I'd forgotten to remove a decommissioned machine from the plan anyway
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10:46<EmleyMoor>I'm planning to take the disk out of it later and recover anything of interest from it...
10:46<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: HD to USB-HD is usually around 35MB/s. That is fast enough to backup most consumer PCs overnight....
10:47<EmleyMoor>pumpkin0: It has been on my list of possibilities
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10:47<EmleyMoor>The thing is, there's four PCas
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10:48<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: how much space do you need? 2-3TB?
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10:48<EmleyMoor>I don't think I need that much...
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10:49<EmleyMoor>A 1Tb drive would probably be adequate
10:49<pumpkin0>Do these have GEthernet ? Then get a NAS with 2 discs...
10:49<EmleyMoor>No - FEthernet only
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10:50<EmleyMoor>If the USB were more reliable on the machine that runs the backups I'd definitely give that a try
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10:50<gsimmons>slept: `full_duplex' works for me as a known 8139too module parameter. You can alternatively use ethtool or mii-tool to adjust your device's duplex setting.
10:51<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: do you get more or less then 10MB/s currently ?
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10:52<slept>gsimmons, both ethtool and mii-tool say the card is using full-duplex. rtl8139-diag says it using half duplex , this would explain the enormous amount of droped packages
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10:52<EmleyMoor>pumpkin0: More or less exactly that
10:52<slept>gsimmons, when i try to change setting with ethtool or mii-tool it doesn't change
10:52<pumpkin0>EmleyMoor: ok, so you cannot gain by doing the backup of PC1 over ethernet on PC2...
10:53<EmleyMoor>No - it all comes to PC1 anyway because that's where the spare space is at present
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10:58<slept>gsimmons, ok you were right it accepts full_duplex still rtl8139 claims that it's set to half duplex
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11:48<n3kr0>hi, im on lenny and when i try to do an apt-get remove swfdec i get all gnome to remove. How can i remove only that package and not al gnome?
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11:55<WAtt>Bonjour, j'aimerai savoir où puis-je scripter des modiciations de contenu des sources pour une installation via un paquet ?
11:55<Txt_file>watt: can you speak english?
11:55<WAtt>... --> #debian-fr
11:56<dpkg>i heard fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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11:56<WAtt>Txt_file, I want to modify a source file to apply a change (sed in all file). Where I can script that ?
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11:57<rybycy>I have problem with Dialnet configuration
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11:58<Txt_file>watt: I have no idea ... but why you want to change the source
11:58<n3kr0>hi, im on lenny and when i try to do an apt-get remove swfdec i get all gnome to be removed. How can i remove only that package and not al gnome?
11:58<WAtt>Txt_file, because a source installer change most of file
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12:00<rybycy>Hi !
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12:00<rybycy>i need help with Dialnet configuration
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12:01<[gloom]>n3kr0: use dselect
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12:02<rybycy>i need help with Dialnet configuration
12:02<[gloom]>n3kr0: and when it prompts you to remove the dependencies, use shit+q
12:02<rybycy>it's over PPPOE
12:03<rybycy>i have login, pass and DNS servers
12:03<[gloom]>shift* sorry
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12:03<n3kr0>is swfdec part of gnome now?
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12:04<rybycy>on ubuntu it was "sudo pppoeconf"...
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12:05<[gloom]>n3kr0: has some gconf dependencies...
12:06<slawek_>where can i find official repositories for lenny >
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12:07<newsense>blow me
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12:09<n3kr0>all i want to do is remove swfdec to use flash from macromedia.
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12:12<newsense>i dont know why swfdec would be a gnome depend but tha again i dont use gnome or swfdec
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12:13<newsense>does flash not install for ya ?
12:13<alien>Ciao to all Debian friends
12:13<newsense>hi alien
12:13<newsense>i remember you from last night
12:14<alien>yes, i am :-)
12:15<cahoot>that's a paradox
12:15<alien>I am from Italy, Legnano (MI)
12:15<newsense>whats a paradox?
12:15<cahoot>to recognize an alien
12:15<newsense>he abducted me last night
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12:18<rybycy>i need help with Dialnet configuration
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12:27<alien>This is my site:
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12:45<rybycy>i need help with Dialnet configuration
12:47<VITAL_28>i need install gcc
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12:50<[gloom]>VITAL_28: apt-get install gcc-4.3
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12:56<VITAL_28>[gloom]: the version 4.3 is available?
12:57<[gloom]>well, it's available in sid. If you're using stable, try 4.2
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12:59<VITAL_28>apt-get install gcc-4.3*
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13:01<alien>hello... it's all right?
13:02<VITAL_28>it's all right
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13:05<alien>good! must think always in positive
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13:10<oystein>hi all! Im having a problem, i have a 234kb connection. When i run the update manager i get thrown out of Pidgin, is this because of priority, and is there a way to solve this problem? Running Ubuntu Hardy btw
13:10<VITAL_28>[gloom]: There was this error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
13:11<SledgY>oystein: Try #ubuntu
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13:12<oystein>tried but no luck there, so thought someone might know here..
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13:14<rybycy>i need help with Dialnet configuration
13:14<newsense>whats dialnet ?
13:14<rybycy>internet provider
13:14<rybycy>dialnet is internet based on PPPOE
13:14<[gloom]>VITAL_28: I'm seeing that it's 4.1 the version in stable. Could you try apt-get install gcc-4.1-base, or install it with your favourite package manager?
13:14<newsense>cable dsl fiber ?
13:15<rybycy>over PPPOE
13:15<rybycy>in ubuntu it was easy
13:15<rybycy>sudo pppoeconf
13:15<SledgY>same in debian
13:15<[gloom]>VITAL_28: sorry, install the gcc-4.1 and it will install its dependencies
13:15<[gloom]>I mean apt-get install gcc-4.1, instead of gcc-4.1-base
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13:16<rybycy>in debian it didn't work
13:16<newsense>what error message you get ?
13:16<rybycy>it's wrong instruction
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13:17<VITAL_28>[gloom]: ok
13:18<joko>Hi. Is there any package which provides I'm using AMD64 Debian Sid
13:18<SledgY>rybycy: so did you run pppoeconf as root?
13:18<newsense>yeah what i was gonna ak him
13:18<rybycy>i'll try
13:18<newsense>oh man
13:18<rybycy>now i'm on windows
13:19<rybycy>bye :D
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13:19<newsense>didnt run pppoeconf
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13:19<newsense>shit a simple google pppoe debian woulda told him that
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13:20<newsense>some people
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13:20<[gloom]>joko: nope, at least not in the official repo. Use the apt-file tool for this kind of things
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13:20<EmleyMoor>My music partition is half way through
13:21<SledgY>joko: libxp6
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13:21<SledgY>use the package contents option on
13:21<[gloom]>joko: apt-file update && apt-file search thefilename will tell you the package that provides thefilename
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13:22<SledgY>or what [gloom] suggested
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13:23<[gloom]>SledgY: libxp6 does not provide, maybe the file name he is asking for is wrong?
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13:24<joko>[gloom]: Thanks a lot for the tip! apt-file found out which package was needed... :D
13:24<SledgY>[gloom]: you sure
13:25<SledgY>looks like it does
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13:25<joko>libxp6 was indeed the package I needed
13:26<joko>Now I'm getting "Can't open display.", but I suppose it's an xhost thing what I need to do... ;)
13:26<[gloom]>SledgY: heheh, ok, I was using a lowercase x, so my apt-file didn't report any result:(
13:28<SledgY>still waiting for kernel compile...
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13:45<dytek>i need to install the virtualbox-ose-modules for virtualbox. i'm running etch, but i only see packages for lenny and sid.
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13:45<dytek>what are the rules for installing a package that is meant for testing or unstable on a stable system? is it ok? is there anything i should take into account when doing this? can anything go wrong?
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13:49<Arelius>I'd running 4.0 and I can't find termcap-compat in apt... has it been removed?
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13:53<k1lumin4t1>I have an lvm setup on my hardrive and I want to mount a LV from a Linux LiveCD in order to reset my root password on it.. how can I do?
13:54<qq>google first
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13:56<EmleyMoor>Is someone from Goole called a Goolie?#
13:57*newsense downloads ppc debian for my ps3
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13:58*qq ask ps3 has witch proc ?
13:59*fxiny answers : ol harum ?
14:01<newsense>gonna kick ass
14:01<VITAL_28_Brazil>In Debian is possible to install gcc 4.3?
14:01<newsense>no video acceleration atm hough :(
14:02<newsense>would love to see compositing on the ps3
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14:03<chealer>Arelius: yes
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14:03<fxiny>bad redirect ? ;)
14:03<Arelius>chealer, Trying to install emacs from source, seems to want termcap....
14:03<[gloom]>VITAL_28_Brazil: do you mean, in stable?
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14:05<VITAL_28_Brazil>[gloom]: yes.
14:06<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to see the SSID of the wireless network to which I am currently attached?
14:06<VITAL_28_Brazil>[gloom]: Debian 4.1.1-21
14:06<wololo>EmleyMoor: iwconfig ?
14:06<EmleyMoor>Ah, yes
14:07<EmleyMoor>Someone nearby has an unsecured access point
14:07*EmleyMoor tries to identify them so that he can stick a note through their letterbox
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14:09<chealer>VITAL_28_Brazil: yes, it is possible
14:09<VITAL_28_Brazil>chealer: how?
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14:10<[gloom]>VITAL_28_Brazil: you should try changing the repos to the unsatble or experimental ones, and trying with deselect or a package manager... Maybe you can make a clean install, and then change the repos again to the stable ones, but most probably it will need more packages from the unstable, and this can lead to a unstable system... Just try to see which packages are needed
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14:14<chealer>VITAL_28_Brazil: I don't know the best way. one way would be to compile it.
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14:17<VITAL_28_Brazil>chealer: I already did this and gave error.
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14:19<chealer>VITAL_28_Brazil: you gave the error on this channel?
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14:20<VITAL_28_Brazil>chealer: not yet.
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14:33<[gloom]>Off-Topic: Does anyone if you can use a piece of software pusblished under Apache License 2.0 in a closed source project?
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14:37<Arelius>I think so, but there are a few conditions, such as giving the recipient a copy of the license I think.
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14:39<Arelius>But I think that in general it is pretty permissive.
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14:39<[gloom]>I don't understand... If you can hide the source, what's the point of having this license? What exactly has the license? The binary file?
14:40<EmleyMoor>My music partition must be almost completely backed up
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14:41<EmleyMoor>[gloom]: You must acknowledge, and comply with the terms of, the free license, on the part that is covered by it
14:41<Arelius>[gloom], can't explain, but 4.1 says...
14:41<Arelius>You must give any other recipients of the Work or Derivative Works a copy of this License; and
14:41<[gloom]>I mean, i use GPB that are under Apache 2.0, and I make my project closed source, so I only distribute the binaries. Then what's the point of distributing those binaries under apache 2.0 without source code?
14:42<EmleyMoor>The bits of your project that are open source should be acknowledged as such
14:42<Arelius>I don't think it's that you distribute those bunaries under apache 2.0... so much as distributing those binaries with a copy of the apache 2.0 licensee.
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14:43<[gloom]>Arelius: aha, but then, there's no difference for the end user, if I don't provide the source code of my work, having or not the A2.0 license... It's just merely to fit on the license terms, but it makes no difference
14:44<Arelius>as far as I can tell.
14:44<[gloom]>Arelius: thx
14:44<Arelius>keep in mind though, I'm no lawyer.
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14:45<[gloom]>Arelius: np. I just have the legal text in front of me, and i don't understand the legal jargon:D With CC licenses, you have brief descriptions that are understable, but I can't find it for the AL2.0
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14:46<zem>anzone can help me with reinstaling nvidia drivers using m-a? doesn't work after kernel update
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14:49<alien>One way is here without m-a: I have tested that and on my system work fine.
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14:50<chealer>zem: it depends on your problem
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14:54<[gloom]>Arelius: FYI:it allows use of the source code for the development of free and open source software as well as proprietary software. Souce:
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15:04<rey_>is there linux software that plays SMIL/realmedia streams?
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15:04<EmleyMoor>Not heard of SMIL - realmedia as in realplayer?
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15:07<EmleyMoor>Well, there's realplayer <g>
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15:08<newsense>rey i think mozilla-mplayer plugin might
15:09<rey_>not SMIL, it seems
15:09<EmleyMoor>The debian-multimedia repository is a good place to look
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15:10<newsense>dpkg tell rey_ about multimedia
15:10<rey_>SMIL is a W3C standard for combining multiple streams. The thing I have here seems to consist of a seperate video, audio and text stream...
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15:11<[gloom]>rey_: it seems helixplayer has what you're looking for.
15:11<newsense>mozilla-mplayer with flash plugin youll be able to play basically anything
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15:12<newsense>nm i thought you were accessing the media via http
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15:13<rey_>oh, I didn't know about w64codecs
15:13<zem>i installed new kernel (2.6.25-686-2) with update, my nvidia driver stoped working, i tried m-a a-i -f nvidia, bu gdm keeps on telling me "module nvidia not found"
15:14<zem>i had nvidia driver installed before with m-a
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15:16<[gloom]>zem: are you using the driver downloaded from the nvidia website?
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15:19<zem>[gloom]: i use module-asistant
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15:21<dytek>do i have to use a specific kernel with lenny? the latest kernel does not have support for nvidia drivers yet. can i stick with an old one?
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15:24<uros>Hello Debian users
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15:26<chealer>dytek: not really, though outdated packages aren't supported. yes
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15:41<[gloom]>see ya later
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15:47<Cyorxamp>In the settings I have turned on 'Remote Desktop' (basically VNC) so I can connect to my exising session. I'm not at my PC right now and I was VNC'd in and had to reboot it, so now its stuck on the GDM Greeter screen and I can't VNC in... any ideas?
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15:55<josilmathai>install yahoo messenger
15:56<josilmathai>anyone can help me?
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15:58<josilmathai>how to install yahoo messenger?
15:58<josilmathai>somebody help me..
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16:00<wololo>josilmathai: you should try pidgin ( gaim ), kopete or any compatible im software
16:00<martyn>kopete is gd
16:00<josilmathai>i am using kopete..
16:00<martyn>im usin it
16:01<josilmathai>but i cannot make any calls to any telephone numbers..
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16:03<josilmathai>any metheods for using the dialer for yahoo accounts..?
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16:05<josilmathai>martin...any suggestions?
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16:11<furang>че уже 4 релиз есть? я недавно тока 3 докачал )))))
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16:13<Bruce>good evening
16:13<Bruce>i have debian amd64 i can log in as user, but dont remember the root password
16:13<Bruce>i dont know if the username is the root access, is there a way to check?
16:14<Bruce>i am new to linux
16:14<dytek>anyone using an nvidia card? i'm trying to find out the latest kernel that has compatible linux drivers
16:15<Bruce>any help pls?
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16:16<martyn>there shud be a small picture of a grapics card or network card in the top right hand corner of the screen, this is the automatic installer for new graphics cards
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16:16<lothar>Bruce: the username is the root access
16:17<dytek>martyn: did you make that up yourself?
16:17<lothar>for the application you have chosen
16:17<brad>i'm running a script that i think is not debian familiar, though i've read of people using it
16:18<brad>it fails when looking for /lib/modules/{uname -r}/build
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16:18<chealer>dytek: yes
16:18<brad>what the hell is build... is that source?
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16:19<dytek>chealer: what kernel are you running?
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16:19<chealer>dytek: Linux 2.6.25
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16:20<brad>i'm trying to build the latest video4linux drivers
16:21<martyn>nope its wa i had 2 do 2 allow the network card and in theory it shud work 4 graphics cards aswell
16:21<chealer>Bruce: what do you mean by "the username is the root access"?
16:21<brad>tried using module-assistant, but it can't locate the video4linux source
16:21<dytek>martyn: wrong
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16:22<chealer>brad: it can be headers
16:22<dytek>chealer: what nvidia packages do you have installed? are you running lenny, etch, sid?
16:23<brad>so if i explicitly set KDIR to my headers directory...
16:24<chealer>dytek: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.6.24, nvidia-kernel-2.6.25-2-686, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-settings. lenny
16:25<dytek>so you are running 2.6.25-2 ?
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16:25<dytek>chealer: ^
16:25<chealer>dytek: yes
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16:29<brad>so would something like make kernel-links /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel be advisable?
16:29<brad>in the directory i'm running the install of v4l-dvb?
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16:35<chealer>brad: what do you mean by kernel-links?
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16:38<josilmathai>can anybody help me to get ymessenger installed in debian?
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16:39<nosmofui>when i try to do this: "make all " i get this error "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build: No suchfile or directory".
16:40<nosmofui>what can i do??
16:40<qq>zem: install the kernel-headers of kernel ?
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16:42<brad>heh same question i had
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16:42<brad>but i've installed the kernel headers to my knowledge
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16:43<brad>trying to apt-get kernel-package now
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16:43<brad>maybe that will help you too nosmofui
16:43<brad>newp. don't bother
16:44<brad>well, it can't hurt so go ahead unless your connection stinks
16:44<nosmofui>ill try
16:44<qq>apt-get kernel-headers-$"uname-r"
16:44<brad>yea that's for headers
16:46<nosmofui>i have an error
16:46<qq> apt-get install kernel-headers-$"uname -r"
16:46<chealer>!wayttd nosmofui
16:46<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, nosmofui?
16:46<qq>do first uname -r
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16:48<nosmofui>i did... uname -r...
16:48<qq>what say it ?
16:48<amphi>qq: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ;)
16:49<qq>amphi: thx
16:49<nosmofui>in parenthesis??
16:50<amphi>nosmofui: equivalent to kernel-headers-`uname -r` but less likely to be misread by people using a bad font
16:50<nosmofui>debian:/home/felipe/RT61_STA_v1110_modify_1030/Module# apt-get kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
16:50<nosmofui>E: Operación inválida: kernel-headers-2.6.18-6-686
16:50<brad>ok how do i take on this error: /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/build: No such file or directory
16:51<amphi>nosmofui: try 'apt-get install'
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16:51<nosmofui>i was installing a wireless card
16:51<qq>as root nosmofui
16:51<amphi>brad: install the kernel-headers package
16:51<nosmofui>i was compiling the drivers
16:51<brad>fxcking lenny.
16:52<nosmofui>in ech
16:52<amphi>brad: eh?
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16:52<brad>there's nothing in the apt cache resembling kernel-headers
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16:52<brad>maybe module-assistant has it
16:52<amphi>brad: linux-headers on lenny
16:53<brad>or maybe there's a .deb
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16:53<dytek>that was wierd
16:54<chealer>brad: if you don't mind, why don't you use an up-to-date Linux version?
16:54<brad>oh actually they're part of linux-libc-dev
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16:54<dytek>chealer: what arch?
16:54<brad>ok maybe i'm stupid but isn't lenny still in development... that's not up to dat?
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16:55<brad>somebody told me that etch was out of date so i upgraded to lenny
16:55<qq>brad: do apt-get update first
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16:55<brad>ah that did it
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16:56<brad>funny i installed it today and the apt packages were out of date... odd
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16:56<qq>brad: paste sources.list
16:56<dytek>are you 32-bit or 64-bit?
16:56*amphi sighs
16:56<mastroquet>sorry wrong terminal
16:57<brad>they point at lenny main
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16:57<brad>off ftp and http debian
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16:58<chealer>nosmofui: did you install Linux headers?
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16:58<nosmofui>not yet
16:58<nosmofui>same error
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16:58<chealer>nosmofui: install them
16:58<brad>qq, i only see 2.6.24-2-amd64
16:59<chealer>dytek: i386
16:59<brad>my kernel is 2.6.24-1-amd64
16:59<brad>or there's just straight up 2.6-amd64
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16:59<qq>brad: install 2.6.24-2-amd64
16:59<eljefe>I ran an rsync from a Lenny setup that I really liked; now I want to restore it but it seems that all of the folders belong to user 1000 rather than to root and the other system accounts; can I just chown -R root:root for these or is this a lost cause?
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17:00<dytek>chealer: how are you running the nvidia-kernel-2.6.25-2-amd64 on 32-bit arch?
17:00<chealer>brad: lenny is still in development. your Linux version is not up-to-date. it's possible that debian-installer installed an old version and didn't upgrade it.
17:00<nosmofui>apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
17:00<brad>should i distupgrade?
17:00<nosmofui>and it says invlid operation
17:00<brad>cause i also notices even the -2-amd64 headers are for 2.6.25 and i'm on 2.6.24
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17:01<brad>that's what i'm doing :)
17:01<brad>it's upgrading to 2.6.25
17:01<chealer>dytek: I'm not running it
17:02<chealer>brad: yes
17:02<dytek><chealer> dytek: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.6.24, nvidia-kernel-2.6.25-2-686, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-settings. lenny
17:02<brad>k, brb gotta reboot
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17:03<dytek>chealer: where did you get the nvidia-kernel-2.6.25-2-686
17:03<chealer>dytek: uh... nvidia-kernel-2.6.25-2-686 != nvidia-kernel-2.6.25-2-amd64
17:03<HaMMiE>install from the web of nvidia
17:03<HaMMiE>and recompile them
17:03<chealer>dytek: from what module-assistant built for me
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17:07<dytek>is there a simple way to do what you did to get those packages installed on my system?
17:08<brad>ok they're installed
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17:09<brad>well v4l is compiling without first doing make menuconfig
17:09<brad>i see cx18 :) yay
17:10<nosmofui>i solved my problem
17:10<nosmofui>the command was linux-headers.... notkernel headers
17:11<amphi>the package name
17:15<brad>so now i need to apparently update my firmware on the card
17:16<brad>the firmware just goes in /lib/firmware ... or should it go in /lib/firmware/hotplug
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17:18<brad>hotplug is outdated is it not/
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17:40<Bruce>how do i know what username has root access?
17:40<Bruce>is there a way to check if a username is the root access?
17:41<petemc>all users can su by default
17:42<Bruce>i used redhat but changed to debian
17:42<amphi>!win Bruce
17:42<dpkg>Congratulations, Bruce! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia!
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17:43<newsense>Bruce: same as in redhat
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17:43<Bruce>petemc so with any username i have root access?
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17:44<newsense>Bruce: if ya know root pass
17:44<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
17:45<eljefe>The dpkg on Freenode #debain says to run this to reinstall the same packages, but nothing happens: "dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install" -- any ideas how I can get this to work?
17:45<Bruce>i created a user name "root" with a password, and a user name "tester", i have the tester password and i dunno the "root"password
17:46<newsense>eljefe: you doing this as rot right ?
17:46<Bruce>i can log in as "tester"and i wonder if i can changed the "root"username password
17:46<eljefe>newsense: yes
17:47<newsense>sorry my keyboard has been spilled on once again
17:47<newsense>i do speak english
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17:47<newsense>eljefe: commands sound right to me
17:47<eljefe>yeah, but it seems that nothing gets set.
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17:51<qq>eljefe: my_packages.txt ? maybe my_packages.deb
17:53<dondelelcaro>eljefe: the key world there is on a *different* machine.
17:53<eljefe>well i piped it to a file, so its whatever I named it; in my case its 'perfectlenny.txt' but its definitly a file, not a package.
17:53<eljefe>yes this is a different machine
17:53<halo>hello, just another stupid question on compiz. I see no windows decorator with it enabled but i don't like emerald, there is a solution? thanks
17:54<dondelelcaro>eljefe: then use apt-get dselect-upgrade;
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17:54<dondelelcaro>though frankly, the aptitude command set is really the one to use.
17:54<eljefe>yes that seems to have done the trick dondelelcaro !!
17:54<eljefe>what is the difference between apt and aptitude?
17:55<dondelelcaro>!why aptitude
17:55<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
17:56<eljefe>so what would you run in my command instance instead?
17:56<dondelelcaro>!tell eljefe -about aptitude clone
17:57<eljefe>is it reallyu a lot better
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17:59<eljefe>can you specify how? other than removing and installing at the same time? or point me towards a quick read?
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18:01<dondelelcaro>eljefe: see what I had dpkg say above.
18:01<eljefe>i did.
18:02<eljefe>it just said how to do it
18:02<eljefe>oh that thing. ok
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18:02<dondelelcaro>the curses interface is also really useful if you're doing something complicated
18:03<diego__>hi, I have a pid of a process and want to know exactly when it started, ps -ef gives Aug01 (which has no time)
18:03<diego__>where in /proc/[[pid]] is the timestamp :D ?
18:05<dondelelcaro>diego__: look at the mtime for the files there.
18:05<dondelelcaro>(exe is almost always the best bet)
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18:17<sjk>I'm struggling a bit trying get lenny to run properly on a new latitude D630 -- I am now up to the point of fighting with ALSA and HDA-Intel - hoping someone has some ideas
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18:19<sjk>I am able to get the mods to load, but mixer does not show left/right channels and seems very low in volume. My alsa info is at
18:19<sjk>any thoughts would be appreciated
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18:20<enouf>sjk: hrm, lenny's kernel and it's alsa versions should just work [tm]
18:20<enouf>sjk: go through the alsa checklist - "/msg dpkg alsa checklist"
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18:21<sjk>it seems to load and I get sound, but inputs and outputs are ,limited to mono and single channel
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18:22<tmg1|hardy>dpkg: no :(
18:22<dpkg>no idea, tmg1|hardy
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18:23<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>.
18:23<amphi>sjk: did you look at either of the first two sites?
18:23<tmg1|hardy>sjk: what driver is being used?
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18:24<sjk>I've been going through the sites, but can't seem to find anything on my problem - driver is HDA-Intel
18:24<tmg1|hardy>since I've been at it for over a day, is there a list somewhere of what a shell must do in order to not break pretty much everything on a debian system, if used as the default shell for a user?
18:24<amphi>sjk: it might be worth playing with aumix - on mine, with an older kernel, it showed the second channel, that alsamixer didn't, and I could unmute it
18:24<koops>hi guys, how can i take a screenshot with menus opened?
18:24<tmg1|hardy>(specifically gdb)
18:25<amphi>koops: something that lets you specify a delay - gimp does, for example
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18:25<tmg1|hardy>koops: what desktop environment?
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18:26<tmg1|hardy>gnome-screenshot as amphi said should give you a delay
18:26<koops>ill try...
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18:26<tmg1|hardy>--delay or -d should allow you to control how long the delay is
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18:27<koops>ok thanks i got it, didnt know about delay
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18:27<sjk>huh -- aumix shows Vol, IGain, and Digital1 (which can't be set)
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18:28<tmg1|hardy>sjk: HDA-Intel doesn't sound like a driver module name, are you using a nonfree driver?
18:29<tmg1|hardy>ie where did you get the driver
18:29<sjk>imagemagick also contains simple screen capture -- just run display and set the delay time
18:29<amphi>sjk: what is the card? mine has been fine (including master channel) since .25 (Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03))
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18:30<f11sh>alguem poderia informar aonde posso baixar o debian lenny ?
18:32<tmg1|hardy>f11sh: wha?
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18:32<f11sh>tmg1|hardy download debian lenny !
18:32<sjk>I'm sorry -- I'm not sure what you mean by driver -- the card shows as Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family)
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18:33<sjk>with STAC92xx digital and analog
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18:34<tmg1|hardy>sjk: okay, just making sure(lots of people come in here and have problems with nonfree drivers, but you'd probably know if you had one of those, having had to install it yourself or something)
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18:37<sjk>amphi: what do you see see as outputs in alsamixer?
18:38<sjk>oh - no, no third party driver -- I'm trying to avoid those since my ATI gave me a migraine
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18:38<gass_>f11sh, ... é a opção "get debian" do menu do lado esquerdo de
18:38<koops>hey i asked the other day about firefox closin sundely... got the same error here with this message on terminal
18:39<tmg1|hardy>sjk: might be a 'last resort' thing but alsaconf might be able to unload/reload things in a way to fix that(it's fixed similar problems on my machine, problems with different *causes* no duobt though)
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18:40<koops>no idea about that on firefox?
18:43<sjk>I've tried running alsaconf a few times -- with different module options and had no change -- alsa mixer shows Master and Front only -- it may simply be that I am expecting more than the module supports -- frankly I am just used to older sound cards, so I am not sure if it's me or the config
18:43<amphi>sjk: there is also 'speaker' which is hidden in that dump
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18:43<sjk>Interesting -- I have no PCM output
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18:45<mindqaugas>How to set up my own network server ? please paste a link here. tx ;]
18:45<amphi>sjk: perhaps the alsa site will have info
18:45<amphi>mindqaugas: you may find a useful howto at
18:45<mindqaugas>thanx ;]
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18:49<tmg1|hardy>mindqaugas: wtf is a network server. like a samba server?
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18:51<mindqaugas>computer server like a hosting or smth
18:51<tmg1|hardy>website hosting?
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18:52<tmg1|hardy>'like a hosting or smth(p?)' is a huge class of things
18:52<tmg1|hardy>you may want to narrow your query down a bit
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18:53<mindqaugas>Http, smth, ftp e.t.c
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19:09<halo>anyone can help me with gnome-sensors and nvidia ?
19:10<halo>or generally, how can i set a configure option when i install a package with apt
19:10<halo>is it possible?
19:11<halo>i need the flag "--with-nvidia" for gnome-sensors, but how can i do it if apt do all the work?
19:15<amphi>halo: you could build the source package
19:16<halo>mmm ok i've already tought it but i'd like to keep the apt system clean
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19:17<halo>there isn't an option to give for the apt-get
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19:17<halo>like --configure i don't know
19:17<halo>anyway thanks for your answer amphi
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19:21<amphi>halo: that's the point; you build the src package and install it with dpkg
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19:23<rogthar>is there a general linux help chan that is not distro spicific?
19:23<halo>and then what will happen for future upgrade of the repo .deb?
19:24<halo>meanwhile i found an -o option to give at apt
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19:29<sjk>hmmm . . . thanks -- will check
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19:32<l3oddah>hi all. I am installing Debian 40r4 on a new machine that uses the forcedeth gigabit controller and I can't seem to detect the network card during installation. Its supposed to just use the forcedeth driver which I try to load. Are there any special parameters I need to pass maybe?
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19:37<halo>amphi, i've found a precompiled .deb ..but now i've nvidia temperature but not cpu as before
19:37<halo>ehehhe strange world
19:38<halo>can you explain me how you'd make a debian package?
19:38<halo>configure make and the? make-kpkg?
19:38<halo>*and then?
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19:42<amphi>halo: no; download the source package, apt-get build-dep <package>, configure it to your liking and build with dpkg-buildpackage, and install with dpkg -i
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19:42<amphi>halo: the debian reference has info on this, IIRC
19:43<halo>thanks again
19:43<amphi>you're welcome
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19:45<[gloom]>anyone using a bluetooth headset under sid?
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20:02<dpp>hi, have a strange problem with my modem
20:03<dpp>it usually says 'NO CARRIER' with wvdial, but from time to time it will connect
20:03<dpp>so it actually works
20:03<dpp>I have already tried lowing the speed up to 38400
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20:04<dpp>do you think the other side could be even slower, can it just detect it :S ? maybe its not even that
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20:24<qq>[02:22:41] am
20:25<qq>pm ?
20:25<qq>israel ?
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20:26<fdo>from russia with love =)
20:26<fdo>privet! govorish po russki?
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20:27<qq>no , ro
20:28<qq>moldavia ?
20:29<fdo>from russia
20:30<qq>gorod ?
20:30<fdo>buharest? ;)
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20:31<qq>bil , teperi shvetzaria
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20:35<qq>brad_: hi
20:35<brad_>ugh. i wonder if i'll ever get this tuner card to work
20:35<brad_>hours on end each day trying
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20:35<qq>has a linux driver ?
20:35<brad_>it is a hauppage... it does have better support than the ati and pinnacle i've tried thus far
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20:36<brad_>it sorta does, it's in beta and will apparently be included in the 2.6.26 kernel release
20:36<brad_>cx18, and its installed, and the firmware extracted from the windows drivers zip
20:36<qq>so install .26
20:36<brad_>and i can cat output from video0 but it's just a bunch of fuzz
20:37<qq>nice you are near ok
20:38<qq>much better than nothing
20:38<brad_>yes i suppose
20:38<qq>try than .26
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20:39<amphi>brad_: 2.6.26 is released ;)
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20:39<brad_>hm. is it outside the lenny branch?
20:39<brad_>honestly i've never compiled a kernel and it sorta scares me
20:39<amphi>it's not in lenny; I'm running vanilla .26
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20:40<amphi>debian has make-kpkg which simplifies it
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20:40<amphi>if it doesn't work, you can always boot your old kernel
20:40<brad_>can i get it out of the sid branch?
20:40<brad_>or is that a bad idea
20:41<amphi>you could try that
20:41<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences,, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
20:42<brad_>i could just temporarily comment out lennys repositories
20:43<qq>but better pinning
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20:44<brad_>learned about ccache today :)
20:44<brad_>my rootfs was full
20:45<brad_>which pissed me off because the debian installer wouldn't let me make it bigger than 259MB
20:45<qq>ha ?
20:45<brad_>yea that was the max
20:45<brad_>i tried 1.0 GB
20:45<brad_>no dice
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20:46<qq>do a symlink of /var/cache/apt/archive to a biger partition
20:47<brad_>good idea
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20:47<brad_>well, actually /var is mounted separately
20:47<lucas_amorim> hello, I have just installed debian-eeepc on my 900 model, since I update some hours ago, totem movie player and webcam are not working anymore. Is someone having the same problems??
20:47<lucas_amorim> If I try to view the webcam image through camorama (for example) it says: "could not connect to video device /dev/video0, please check connection."
20:47<lucas_amorim> and totem crashs right after it tries to play anything
20:47<qq>lucas_amorim: hi
20:48<lucas_amorim>qq: hi!
20:48<qq>howdy ?
20:49<qq>lucas_amorim: try install vlc
20:49<qq>and use that instead totem
20:49<lucas_amorim>ok... gonna try
20:50<brad_>i could maybe symlink the /root/.ccache
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20:50<brad_>or would i want a hard link
20:51<qq>use ln -s /dir /new_dir
20:52<lucas_amorim>qq: well that woul eat 30MB of my little 4GB ssd :(
20:52<brad_>actually i think its /lib that's fucking the whole thing up
20:52<lucas_amorim>there must be a way of correcting totem
20:53<qq>lucas_amorim: to hard for me . for you too i though
20:54<lucas_amorim>it stopped working after I upgraded
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20:54<qq>upgraded to lenny ?
20:54<lucas_amorim>qq: what about webcam, any guess
20:54<lucas_amorim>qq: no, just apt-get upgrade
20:55<qq> >>> " please check connection." so check that
20:56<lucas_amorim>qq: but its internal
20:56<lucas_amorim>its a laptop
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20:56<qq>the connection. is internal ?
20:56<qq>ah ok
20:56<qq>is a integrate camera ?
20:57<lucas_amorim>yes, it is integrated, and, it was working even in skype, now I cant use it anywhere
20:57<qq>lucas_amorim: use etch ?
20:58<lucas_amorim>I am using a custom installer for the eeepc:
20:59<qq>witch kernel ? try> uname -r
21:00<qq>than is e7 i guess
21:00<lucas_amorim>I am also asking in the debian-eeepc channel, but none is answering
21:00<qq>never user eeepc
21:00<qq>try .26
21:01<lucas_amorim>I would have to compile ?
21:01<gass_>lucas_amorim, can you check the changelog for your kernel? maybe some webcam drivers where dropped
21:02<lucas_amorim>actually, as you can see in the wiki, this webcam does not have native support, I compiled the module myself, but now it is not working
21:02<gass_>oh ... that answers that
21:02<gass_>you hve to recompile the webcam module
21:02<qq>sure you have changed to a new kernel
21:03<qq>so need a new module for ...
21:03<lucas_amorim>look here:
21:04<qq>yes , but it is only for you
21:04<lucas_amorim>well, there only one kernel entrance in grub, I installed it yesterday, kernel did not change
21:04<lucas_amorim>qq: what do you mean?
21:04<qq>i have not an eeepc
21:05<qq>so i don't need to read that doc
21:07<lucas_amorim>the error i get from cheese is: 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'
21:08<qq>I though, now you have all needed info , take care.
21:08<qq>for you camera
21:08<lucas_amorim>I don't understand, it was working
21:09<lucas_amorim>I think I am going to try to reinstall debian
21:09<qq>you have changed the kernel
21:09<qq>[03:01:11] <qq> sure you have changed to a new kernel
21:09<qq>[03:01:32] <qq> so need a new module for .
21:10<qq>reinstall debian will not resolve nothing
21:10<lucas_amorim>If I have changed the kernel, so, why don't I see any old kernel entrances in grub?
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21:11<qq>normally you should , if you don't un install old kernel/s
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21:32<dpkg>factoid is probably something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
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21:33<pendol>is there a way i can add a kernel mirror to my repo list so that i can use aptitude to download/install new kernels?
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21:35<qq>pendol: good question
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21:37<qq>apt-get install -d linux-image* . look at "-d " option for apt-get
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21:37<qq>or so
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21:39<brad_>what do you all think about symlinking the whole rootfs?
21:39<brad_>or at the very least /lib which is on rootfs
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21:40<qq>brad_: not needed , and not recommended .
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21:41<qq>for /var/apt/cache/archives there much sense , if limited space in /var partition
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21:44<brad_>nah var is on its own part
21:44<brad_>i have proc lib boot and root on /
21:45<qq>or , reinstall , and do a much better thinked partition table
21:45<brad_>i'd rather use a livecd to combine some of the useless partitions
21:45<brad_>or change their sized
21:46<qq>a bood way to distroy you system
21:47<brad_>then i'll reinstall :)
21:47<brad_>i could shave some off of tmp
21:47<brad_>with 3 gigs of ram its hardly ever used
21:47<brad_>err whatever, brb gotta eat
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21:50<Bruce>how do i edit the repositories ? and what sources are good?
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21:51<qq>deb etch main contrib non-free
21:51<qq>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
21:52<qq>that's all
21:54<amphi>maybe marillat
21:55<qq>eb etch main
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21:55<qq>deb etch main
21:55<MrNaz>anyone got a modern howto on setting up a firewall in debian? all the google results are years old, all from sarge or earlier
21:56<qq>use iptables >> man iptables
21:56<qq> google for examples
21:56<MrNaz>would you recommend using a config tool ? there are heaps, and i dont know if they're a good idea
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22:17<brad_>i'm looking now, but you wouldn't perchance offhand know how to change where apt-conf does its work on the filesytem
22:18<brad_>i.e. have it use something other than / for extraction and configuring packages
22:18<brad_>that would save me lots of headaches
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22:21<qq>ok on 2.6.26-1-686
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22:27<brad_>? me? yes?
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22:32<argonel>anyone know what's going on with
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22:39<ludwig>I have one odd problem setting up a dual-screen Xorg setup on my Thinkpad ...
22:40<ludwig>I used to have a config with two device sections, each running one screen.
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22:40<ludwig>Since the update from Xorg 1.3.0 to 1.4.2 that config does not run any more.
22:41<ludwig>It seems the driver messes up something
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22:44<dennis>wie kann ich auf ntfs platten zugreifen?
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22:54<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
22:55<ludwig>dennis, either mounting with "-t ntfs" option (read-only!) or by using the proper fuse-plugin
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22:57<Gekz_> or -t ntfs -o rw
22:57<Gekz_>which is pretty bad.
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22:58<Gekz_>erm... excuse me.
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23:05<c_olivier>Queqlue'un peux m'aider?
23:05<c_olivier>can you help me?
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23:06<c_olivier>can you help me?
23:06<c_olivier>pouvez vous m'Aidert?
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23:09<chealer>c_olivier: we can help you, or you can get help in french on #debian-fr
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23:13<Bruce>i need help with the gui
23:13<Bruce>i can't login
23:13<Bruce>mouse stalls, and freezes
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23:13<Bruce>when i startx
23:14<Bruce>i did 'apt-get update"and i get errors something about the sources
23:14<Bruce>for amd64 testing version
23:15<Bruce>i left this computer alone for 16 months now
23:15<Bruce>can anyone help me?
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23:17<c_olivier>Where I can get Debian 2 m68k For mac LC574 and LCIII
23:20<Nemoder>Bruce: you'll have to tell us the exact error, it also might help to put the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" on a paste site
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23:21<chealer>c_olivier: Debian 2.0?
23:21<Bruce>when i use apt-get upgrade, i get error 404 page not found
23:21<brad_>what version?
23:21<Bruce>debian amd64 testing
23:22<brad_>well i don't think debian's mirrors have changed
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23:22<brad_>maybe you have other sources in there that have though
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23:22<Bruce>but i went to that page on another computer, and i dont see the testing folder on there anymore
23:23<Nemoder>archive is for old versions, not testing
23:24<Bruce>i did update from there about a year ago
23:24<brad_>lenny is testing is it not
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23:24<Bruce>so what do i do now?
23:24<brad_>i'd point the ftp and http to
23:24<Bruce>the testing version i installed it about 16 months ago
23:24<Nemoder>yes brad, although I believe the freeze process has started so it may be stable in a few months :)
23:24<brad_>you might be effed
23:25<brad_>it can be harder to update out of testing branches
23:25<Nemoder>Bruce: you can edit your sources with "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and change it to a proper mirror
23:26<Bruce>what mirror do you recoomend?
23:26<Bruce>i am in california US
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23:26<Nemoder> is probably good
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23:27<Bruce>ty Nemoder
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23:30<c_olivier>anmd how i can install?
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23:31<chealer>c_olivier: do you want to install Debian 2.0?
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23:33<brad_>would moving my files in /lib to /var/klib and creating the symlink /lib to /var/lib require a livecd?
23:33<brad_>err symlink /lib to /var/klib
23:34<brad_>i need to get all these lib files off the rootfs
23:34<brad_>i fuxed this install
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23:37<stevecotton>brad_ : stuff in /lib and /bin can be necessary to mount the other filesystems
23:38<stevecotton>if it's in /lib instead of /usr/lib, better keep it on the root partition
23:39<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or
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23:42<bAndie91>hi all
23:43<c_olivier>yes I want to install debian
23:44<brad_>ah good point
23:45<brad_>glad i asked
23:45<brad_>i think i have to reinstall
23:45<brad_>the rootfs can't be extended
23:45<brad_>and it's way the fuck to small
23:46<stevecotton> /usr and /boot can both be moved off the root partition.
23:46<brad_>usr is on its own
23:46<c_olivier>Debian 2.0 Is really old, and is for old machine (1994) I don't know How install
23:46<c_olivier>I don't have CDrom drive
23:46<bAndie91>hi, know anybody, how can i detect, my laptop closed or opened is?
23:47<brad_>i mean, and moving /boot only frees up like 12MB
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23:47<brad_>the rootfs partition is 300MB.
23:47<stevecotton>c_olivier: a 1994 edition of Debian will be lacking 14 years of work on making it user-friendly.
23:48<brad_>why wouldn't the installer let me make rootfs bigger than 259M
23:48<c_olivier>Yes but is just for an small apache server
23:48<bAndie91>system how can detect, laptop closed or opened is?
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23:49<stevecotton>14 years of security-bug fixes too
23:49<brad_>shit fuck it i'm gonna try and reinstall
23:49<bAndie91>how can the system detect, is a laptop opened or closed? (it is correct?)
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23:50<chealer>stevecotton: for the record, Debian 2 was released in 1998
23:51<c_olivier>And wath version of debian can i run on my old computer?
23:52<stevecotton>what processor does it have?
23:52<bAndie91>c_olivier, hi i use debian etch on my i486
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23:52<bAndie91>enough old?
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23:53<stevecotton>chealer: thanks.
23:53<bAndie91>and is runs fast with the correct progys
23:54<asmi>Which MTA is recommended with MailScanner?
23:54<asmi>Currently using postfix
23:54<asmi>Along with spamassasin/clamav
23:55<c_olivier>one minute, i search technical sheet of my computer
23:56*stevecotton goes to bed. Night all.
23:56<c_olivier>Motorola 68030 à 25 Mhz for my LC III
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23:57<c_olivier>but me is not a 486, is an apple Macintosh LC 475 (and LC III)
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23:59<stevecotton>I don't have any experience with Linux on macs. Will leave it to anyone else (I guess it's the 68k architecture).
23:59<c_olivier>68k aritecture exist on etch?
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