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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-08-03

---Logopened Sun Aug 03 00:00:06 2008
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00:00<Hydroxide>c_olivier: there's an unofficial etch version for m68k
00:00<Hydroxide>c_olivier: or, rather, official but not officially part of the released etch
00:01<c_olivier>And nteinstall can i place on 3 1/2A ?
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00:01<Hydroxide>c_olivier: some instructions are here
00:02<Hydroxide>c_olivier: however I don't have any experience with this on m68k, so I probably can't help you much
00:02<c_olivier>ok tanks ;)
00:04<asmi>Anyone using sendmail with Mailscanner?
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00:28<Hydroxide>c_olivier: stop that
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00:28<c_olivier>your bot's don't work ;)
00:29<Hydroxide>c_olivier: if you keep that up, I will silence you in this channel.
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00:47<nhacxo>alguien esta libre?
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01:08<RIVE>HI, good evening.
01:08<newsense>good night
01:09<jello>!greet RIVE
01:09<dpkg>Moo, RIVE
01:10<RIVE>So.. Moo to all.
01:10<newsense>moo to you too
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02:11<rshakin>hello i want to reinstall my debian setup, but since I dont have physical access to the box is there a way to do it over internet. What I am trying to do it remove all the packages and start over
02:12<jello>rshakin: you can't remove all the packages from within debian
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02:13<rshakin>well is there a way to give it a base setup so i can rebuild it again
02:13<rshakin>like have the minimal install again... and then start over
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02:19<jello>rshakin: hmm
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02:21<jello>rshakin: try dpkg --purge \*
02:21<jello>just a guess
02:21<rshakin>yeah i know, it would be more easy if i could just get to the machine... but no such luck since it's on the west coast
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02:21<jello>best way is to reinstall using debian-installer
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02:22<rshakin>is there a way to get to it from the net... or do you have to be on local console ?
02:22<sejje>anyone feel like helping tackle an ndiswrapper probelm (wireless card stuff)? i think i'm awful close...
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02:23<jello>rshakin: sure, but you need a preseed if you're going to do unattended
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02:25<rshakin>well i dont really care to do an unnated i just want to start over with this system...
02:25<rshakin>withought having to loose connection and such so i can reinstall the whole system
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02:25<sejje>i've downloaded a driver (for rtl8187b series card), but after i install it with ndiswrapper, a -l doesn't show the hardware--says invalid driver
02:26<sejje>however every page and its brother says that's the driver to use (lsusb returns 0bda:8197)
02:28<jello>rshakin: so use aptitude to remove as many packages as it will let you
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02:30<rshakin>hehe... ok
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02:33<blarson>rshakin: If you have a spare partition, you can dbootstrap it, chroot to it, and install packages. Then reconfigure your bootloader to point to it. I recomend practacing on a scratch machine before you do it on a production system.
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02:41<sejje>nevermind sirs, i think i got it.
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04:34<xemet>is there a way to launch inside a window an application that usually runs in fullscreen mode
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04:41<Nemoder>xemet: depends on the application, although some window managers like XFCE can toggle them with alt-f11
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04:47<xemet>I use gnome
04:47<xemet>the application is an old game
04:48<xemet>sim city 3000 ulimited ported on linux by lockigames
04:48<xemet>it starts in fullscreen mode
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04:49<xemet>but I've seen on web picture showing it inside windows:
04:49<xemet>this is on ubuntu, so I think it should be possible to run it inside a windows also on debian
04:50<Nemoder>perhaps it has command line switches to force it to windowed mode?
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04:52<xemet>I don't know, I didn't find anything that says it
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04:58<gsimmons>xemet: According to, the magic switch is `-w'.
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04:59<xemet>yau, now I try it!
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05:18<brunetton>hi all, maybe am I wrong, but I think there is a problem in glipper package in sid : there is no /usr/bin/glipper or other executable file in package
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05:20<AX3L>hi guys
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05:22<tmg1|hardy>brunetton i noticed that too
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05:22<tmg1|hardy>it does however work better than the last version for me nevertheless, in order to use it you add it from the panel menu
05:23<tmg1|hardy>i think it's like that in lenny, too but I could be wrong
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05:24<brunetton>I don't know for lenny
05:24<brunetton>i didn't tried
05:25<tmg1|hardy>I untarred/used dpkg-source to unpack emacs's source, I used emacs' wacky configure, and yet the makefiles it generates are consistently broken(there is at least one named 'Makefile.c', which is interperted as a C file instead of a makefile, which breaks both make 'all' 'bootstrap' and 'distclean'. Is there anything else I should try before filing a bug report on this?
05:25<tmg1|hardy>(lenny emacs22)
05:26<brunetton>but I'm not able to add it from the panel (lunching /usr/lib/glipper/glipper by hand does not bring the gui)
05:26<tmg1|hardy>do you know what I mean when I say panel menu? (that might have been ambiguous)
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05:27<tmg1|hardy>ankit io
05:28<brunetton>I understand that :
05:28<brunetton>(this is for tomboy)
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05:34<brunetton>finately, after many try, I was able to add it to panel, but there is other bugs that I would not describe here
05:35<brunetton>thanks tmg1
05:36<ankit>guys i am in confused this year i am cleared my 12th
05:36<ankit>bca is good for me or gniit
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05:56<reggae>hello people.....i want to ask a quick question, if im installing debian on ibook (powerpc) with mac os X, should i set the format to MAC OS extended or Unix file system or freespace?
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05:58<EmleyMoor>To back up a Windows box, is it better to arrange to ssh into it and run the tar on it, or to tar the filesystem locally (mounted using cifs)?
05:58<halo>it's normal for my nvidia 8600 gs work to 70 C
05:58<EmleyMoor>(locally to the Debian box, that is)
05:59<halo>i saw it both on ubuntu and in debian too
05:59<reggae>ummm, anyone can answer my question pls, i just wanna make sure...
05:59<EmleyMoor>reggae: Debian should handle the partitioning you need for it - leave the space unallocated
05:59<reggae>kinda in a rush
05:59<tmg1|hardy>reggae: I'd ask my mac-on-linux friend but he's asleep/offline :(
06:00<gsimmons>reggae: See the Debian powerpc installation guide, specifically section 3.5.
06:00<tmg1|hardy>halo: is there a question?
06:00<reggae>tx gsimmons....
06:01<reggae>ill format it as mac os extended then...
06:01<halo>ops, yes it's a question i don't know if it's normal that it works on that temperature
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06:01<halo>sound strange for me
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06:04<halo>what is the usually C temperature for your video?
06:05<halo>i'm on a hp notebook
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06:23<tmg1|hardy>halo: 70C is hot
06:23<tmg1|hardy>a little abnormally so imho
06:23<tmg1|hardy>i'd make sure the fan is working okay if I were you
06:24<tmg1|hardy>that being said, my previous computer ran about that hot. it was a little unstable, mind you...
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06:31<halo>thank you tmg1|hardy
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06:46<EmleyMoor>I am thinking of making my backups more efficient but am not sure it would be any good...
06:46<EmleyMoor>I am thinking of keeping a set of "base" (level 0) backups effectively "forever" and using levels 1-7 through each week...
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06:52<tmg1|hardy>EmleyMoor: looked at git for that purpose yet?
06:52<tmg1|hardy>or am I making shit up
06:52*tmg1|hardy is getting tired
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07:03<EmleyMoor>I think write once (maybe even DL!) DVDs might be a good idea for the level 0s if I do this
07:04<EmleyMoor>I can get cdbackup images of 4482 MB on a DVD - would 8964 fit a DL or would it need to be less than that?
07:04<Trollinator>DVDs are *never* a good idea for backups.
07:04<Trollinator>well, DVD-RAM perhaps.
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07:06<EmleyMoor>The other option, of course, would be a plug-in hard disk
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07:08<ludwig>I want to have screen 0.1 and 0.0 on my notebook. But since update to Xorg 1.4.2 having two devices and two screens does not work any more
07:08<ludwig>any hint?
07:08<pumpkin0>ludwig: which gfx-card do you use ?
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07:09<ludwig>pumpkin0, a radeom Mobility 7800
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07:09<ludwig>pumpkin0, I use the Xorg standard radeon driver
07:09<pumpkin0>ludwig: connect the 2. monitor and run "xrandr". Does it see the 2. monitor ?
07:10<ludwig>it does. Now it runs in mirror mode.
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07:10<pumpkin0>ludwig: xrandr --output DVI --right-of LVDS
07:11<pumpkin0>ludwig: (or VGA-0 or whatever your laptop uses ...)
07:11<ludwig>pumpkin0, I find lots of hints in several forums, but they all point to a setup Xinerama used to have
07:11<ludwig>pumpkin0, but I want to have a WM on each head ...
07:11<pumpkin0>ludwig: you can do it w/o touching xinerama
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07:12<pumpkin0>ludwig: not one big desktop with the WM on the 1. screen?
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07:12<cahoot>ludwig: AIUI you only get one 'screen' to be divided at will
07:12<ludwig>pumpkin0, no. I want to have one "DISPLAY=:0.1; icewm-gnome" and one default
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07:13<pumpkin0>ludwig: ? so one gnome and one KDE?
07:13<ludwig>cahoot, with Xorg 1.3.8 (or something) it used to work with two identical device-sections
07:14<ludwig>pumpkin0, maybe. Or just start mplayer in :0.0 to have its output on :0.1
07:14<ircMonkey>what is the name of the program (a kind of editor), that allow you to put your ideas into a tree?
07:14<cahoot>ludwig: see item VI
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07:17<ludwig>cahoot, Actually, it is very annoying.
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07:17<cahoot>ludwig: that's another matter
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07:18<pumpkin0>ludwig: it made life a good deal easier.
07:18<ircMonkey>The name could have brain or think or idea in it?
07:19<ludwig>pumpkin0, well. But to have just one big desktop, I could simply use MS-Windows ... Support of multiple boards is broken, too!
07:20<pumpkin0>ludwig: it will come back. Any you don't have to upgrade. The old server still works fine.
07:21<ludwig>pumpkin0, well. But what I used to have seems not to come any more.
07:23<ludwig>pumpkin0, from the wiki cahoot cited, it sounds like independent desktops are not supported any more - as a design decision
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07:25<pumpkin0>ludwig: ....unless the window manager implements it,.... It will come back if enough people want it.
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07:26<pumpkin0>ludwig: my problem is the XV Overlay limit. The old radeon driver had no problems with that.
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07:26<pumpkin0>ludwig: but since windows has that limition, we get it too.
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07:28<ludwig>pumpkin0, well, moving support for multiple screens from the server to the window manager is baaah. IceWM is designed to be a very nice, small and quick WM. The overhead for *eventual* support of multiple heads will kill most WM. Just KDE will survive.
07:29<ludwig>pumpkin0, then I REALLY could move using Windows.
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07:29<ludwig>I actually already upgraded a few weeks ago. is there a way to make a downgrade just for the xserver?
07:31<koan>but can't you keep using the old-style dual head setup?
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07:32<guillaume>hello i'm setting up a roaming wifi connection with wpa_gui on my laptop and ifplugd under sid. Every time I connect a wifi network, if I setup inet dhcp, wpa_supplicant fail to start complaining about this mode and ask me to turn it to manual... I add ifplugd in order to allow dhcp load after wifi link is up, but I don't know well ifplugd so I wanna know if someone could explain me what to do in order to launch a com
07:32<guillaume>mand as 'dhclient wlan0' when the link is up for exemple.
07:33<pumpkin0>koan: cause the randr1.2 drver just crash if you do old school multiheads.
07:33<pumpkin0>ludwig: what about running multiple Xservers ?
07:33<ludwig>koan, it does not work.
07:34<cahoot>xephyr doesn't handle such?
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07:35<koan>I'm working here on a dual head setup with the radeon driver on debian lenny, with two independent screens
07:35<pumpkin0>cahoot: it should, but does it do GLX/overlay?
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07:35<ludwig>koan, pumpkin0 - the old style config does not work. I only get image on one display, xrandr will then detect only the VGA-0 port
07:35<pumpkin0>koan: 2 different WMs?
07:36<ludwig>pumpkin0, multiple X-servers is also what I was thinking of. But how can I switch between them?
07:36<koan>pumpkin0: no, one awesome wm
07:36<supaman>ludwig: ctrl-alt-f7/f8 for example
07:36<ludwig>koan, they moved the support for dual-head from the server to the WM
07:36<pumpkin0>ludwig: i would follow cahoot way. It may be a bit slow, but it should work.
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07:37<pumpkin0>koan: he wants old school (one WM per display), not mergefb/xinerama.
07:38<koan>pumpkin0: I'm not using xinerama, awesome detects the two displays and lets me use them independently, but I guess he is using a different window manager
07:38<ludwig>well, but two independent servers using the same mouse and keyboard - will that work?
07:38<pumpkin0>koan: yes, the WM is managing the dual-head setup, not the Xserver.
07:39<pumpkin0>ludwig: you will need 2 sets. Forget that idea, go Xnest/Xephyr.
07:40<ludwig>actually, a friend of mine is suggesting to have two xservers running using x2x
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07:41<pumpkin0>ludwig: may work too...
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07:42<ludwig>hmm ... I think I should give it a try
07:43<ludwig>but first - breakfast!
07:43<ludwig>I will report the results as soon as I have some :)
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07:46<WAtt>Hi, i have a question about debian package. If I want to change a value in most of source file, How to I script that ? In postin file (with loop), or I must create a path ?
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07:52<hey_thomas>hello, excuse me, I do you know where i can find some wiki, howto or other for make cursor? (I have try with xcursorgen and update-alternatives but it's don't work) thanks
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07:53<hey_thomas>do you mean i need to use Xcursor.h library?
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08:17<massmc>hi, i need to exit X to install an app.. how do i do this?
08:18<supaman>massmc: do you need to have X shut of or do you just need a text console?
08:18<massmc>supaman, I'm installing the nvidia package.. i have to run it out of x for it to work
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08:19<supaman>massmc: switch to a text console using ctrl-alt-F1
08:19<massmc>so X shutoff with a terminal
08:19<ansgar>Hmm, mpg123's --resync option does what? "Do NOT try to resync [...]"
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08:19<massmc>kk will try that, cheers supaman
08:20<supaman>massmc: then in there issue sudo /etc/init gdm stop
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08:20<supaman>or kdm if your using that one instead of gdm (or xdm)
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08:24<massmc>supaman, it's still telling me I have to shutdown XZ :/
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08:25<supaman>massmc: did you kill gdm/kdm/xdm ?
08:27<abrotman>!nvidia one-liner
08:27<dpkg>hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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08:29<supaman>hmm ... there is a missing ) in that message
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08:29<supaman>should be after ia32 I would think
08:30<jmtechy>howdy all
08:30<massmc>supaman, i type apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r in terminal?
08:30<massmc>hey jmtechy
08:31<supaman>massmc: yes
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08:32<massmc>i get a flashing cursor below it now
08:33<supaman>your missing the | sed 's,.*-,,g'` then
08:33<supaman>just type that there
08:33<supaman>and the rest of course also
08:33<supaman> nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
08:34<massmc>no such files in directory'
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08:35<supaman>ok ... in one line at the command prompt type the following: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
08:36<supaman>and its important that the commas and all that are the same
08:36<massmc>no such files
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08:38<supaman>massmc: can you use pastebin to show us what it is you are actually typing and all the error message you get
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08:39<supaman>massmc: "no such file" seems like it is trying to find a local file on your harddrive which it should not be doing
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08:39<GeTee>im a linux noob:p
08:39<GeTee>and i have a question:p
08:39<GeTee>how can i see the content of an usb-stick?
08:40<massmc>Reading package lists... Done
08:40<massmc>Building dependency tree... Done
08:40<massmc>W: Couldn't stat source package list sid/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ es) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
08:40<massmc>W: Couldn't stat source package list sid/contrib Packa ges (/var/lib/apt/lists/ Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
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08:40<GeTee>14:39 GeTee • im a linux noob:p
08:40<GeTee>14:39 GeTee • and i have a question:p
08:40<GeTee>14:39 GeTee • how can i see the content of an usb-stick?
08:41<supaman>GeTee: dont!
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08:41<GeTee>owh sorry :p
08:41<massmc>did you get that supaman
08:41<supaman>massmc: use a pastebin for that and send the url to that here on the channel
08:41<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
08:41<supaman>GeTee: are you using Gnome?
08:42<supaman>GeTee: then the USB should be automatically mounted and an icon should appear on the desktop and you just doubleclick it to see the content
08:42<GeTee>i dont know, ive only installed debian and its looking like dos.. i dont even know how to get a GUI :(
08:43<supaman>GeTee: ok ... then something went wrong with your installation
08:43<GeTee>how can i reinstall?
08:43<qq>GeTee: do a tasksel
08:43<GeTee>im new to linux so i dont know what that is :$
08:44<qq>GeTee: and choose you option
08:44<GeTee>laptop or handly packet installation
08:44<supaman>massmc: run apt-get update
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08:45<GeTee>qq ? what i have 2 choose?
08:45<GeTee>both dont work :/
08:45<massmc>k doing that now
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08:46<GeTee>qq still there?
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08:47<supaman>massmc: any errors from that? (if so, paste them in a new pastebin and post the url here)
08:47<massmc>yea just got a dynamic map ran out of room error and a couple of others
08:47<massmc>i'll paste bin it
08:48<supaman>GeTee: I dont know tasksel ... what options do you get there?
08:48<GeTee>i can choose between: laptop or packetselection by hand
08:49<GeTee>but both dont work
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08:49<supaman>GeTee: how do you mean "don't work"? ... do they just fail silently, do you get any errors?
08:49<GeTee>they fail silently
08:50<qq>GeTee: never seen such tasksel options
08:50<GeTee>it is over here:P ive done nothing
08:50<GeTee>how can i completly reinstall?
08:50<GeTee>cause i got linux since yesterday
08:51<supaman>GeTee: well ... reboot and use the installation disk you have to boot into the installation process
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08:51<massmc>cheers Simon43 , so it's just a matter of changing the value to 12 meg then?
08:52<Simon43>massmc: been there too a few days ago...
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08:52<Simon43>it's an older system, isn'r it?
08:53<massmc>not that old.. 2.something hyper
08:53<massmc>suppose its old after afew months
08:53<Simon43>GeTee: There is something like "Desktop" where you choosed laptop. Choose Desktop too and you'll have your gui...
08:54<gsimmons>massmc: No, it's a matter of you not referencing both Etch and Sid package archives in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
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08:54<GeTee>Simon43 i dont see anywhere: Desktop
08:54<GeTee>but i try to reinstall, so maybe it ll work then
08:55<Simon43>massmc: after looking at your pastebin: listen to gsimmons :-)
08:55<supaman>GeTee: what does tasksel --list-task give you (use pastebins)
08:55<GeTee>im already reinstalling:p
08:56<supaman>ok :)
08:56<supaman>massmc: yeh, you should clean up your sources.list file
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08:57<massmc>Simon43, there is 3 files in the apt.config.. but nowhere I see the 6 meg to change to 12.. am I looking at the wrong thing?
08:58<massmc>supaman, I'm still really new to all this.. have run windows since 96 :/ now just put deb in my main box
08:58<massmc>but it's a new install.. I still need to clean the sources.list?
08:59<Simon43>massmc: Don't do this config thing. It will maybe wipe away those messages, but you will mess up your system.
08:59<Simon43>Don't mix etch and sid packages
08:59<Simon43>just clean up your sources and you'll be fine
09:00<supaman>massmc: well, it seems you have used a cdrom to install the system and the apt sources is still using that one
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09:00<meandtheshell>does anyone know a repository where I can get .debs for
09:00<massmc>ok , I actually didnt see gsimmons text.. will do that now cheers ;)
09:00<Simon43>supaman: the cdrom is surely ignored
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09:01<supaman>Simon43: ah, yes ... so it is
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09:07<massmc>ok, I have removed the sid packages, re-run the apt-get update, and it wont fetch the nvidia kernel
09:07<massmc>supaman, i installed with the netinstall cd
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09:12<gsimmons>massmc: You provided a space after the hyphen. It wasn't required.
09:13<massmc>ahh, I see it!
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09:14<massmc>hmmm maybe not
09:14<massmc>still no workies
09:14<massmc>apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*- ,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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09:23<GeTee>supaman still there?
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09:23<GeTee>ive reinstall, and rebooted, but i still dont get a GUI
09:24<GeTee>qq ?
09:25<GeTee>Simon43 ?:P
09:26<GeTee>noooooooo theyr all dead :|
09:26<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, users is Mithrandi
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10:09<Kovax>can you help me, how to set my interfaces file? I have a router and I can't connect to the internet
10:10<costa>when you installed debian, did you specify a set of IP information?
10:10<costa>or did you select automatic IP information via DHCP?
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10:11<Kovax>I son't know really, because another man installed debian
10:12<costa>PM me the output of 'cat /etc/network/interfaces'
10:12<costa>minus the apostrophes
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10:15<qq>cat /etc/network/interfaces |grep eth0
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10:35<baller>just now i have put a second HDD in my box, i booted, but now it's like my /home partition is gone
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10:41<baller>i guess i'll have to edit grub and other stuff to write new /dev/dir's
10:42<stefon>How did you specify which parition /home should use?
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10:43<baller>i don't know where that partition is now, since it seems to have moved
10:43<baller>normally it is /dev/hda4
10:44<stefon>But your root partition stayed the same?
10:44<baller>appears so
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10:44<baller>wait i'll check mtab
10:45<stefon>did you use cfdisk to search for the lost partition?
10:45<baller>/dev/hda2 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
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10:45<baller>stayed the same
10:45<baller>no i didn't
10:46<baller>Unknown partition table type
10:46<baller>Do you wish to start with a zero table [y/N] ?
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10:46<stefon>look under /dev/hdX which hard disks are available
10:47<baller>hda, hdb, hdb1, hdb2, hdb3, hdb4
10:48<stefon>cfdisk /dev/hda shows how many partitions?
10:48<baller>that returns the "unknown partition table"
10:49<stefon>thats strange...
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10:51<stefon>beside install the new hard disk you didn't change anything?
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10:52<baller>how come my root partition is /dev/hda2, but doesnt show up when i "ls |grep hd" in /dev/ ?
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10:53<stefon>that IS strange.... what does df -h show?
10:53<qq> cat /proc/cmdline
10:55<baller>oh wait i'd flood if i'd just paste
10:56<qq>baller: is just a line
10:56<baller>qq, BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.25-2-486 root=UUID=85334300-41ff-4169-892d-9d32d04d0a61 ro vga=0x0307
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10:58<qq>paste >>> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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11:01<margiolas>kde 4.1 is at unstable now?
11:02<qq>no , in experimental
11:03<guillaume>hello i'm setting up a roaming wifi connection with wpa_gui on my laptop and ifplugd under sid. Every time I connect a wifi network, if I setup inet dhcp, wpa_supplicant fail to start complaining about this mode and ask me to turn it to manual... I add ifplugd in order to allow dhcp load after wifi link is up, but I don't know well ifplugd so I wanna know if someone could explain me what to do in order to launch a com
11:03<guillaume>mand as 'dhclient wlan0' when the link is up for exemple.
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11:06<qq>guillaume: lie >>>
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11:10<baller_>i'm sorry < i meant
11:10<baller_>connection problems
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11:13<baller_><qq> paste >>> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
11:13<guillaume>qq: thank you for the link I was reading this one
11:15<qq> ca c'est pas mal aussi > internet-connecting-wpagui-fr.htm
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11:17<EmleyMoor>If I got an AMD64 system, would it be a complete system rebuild to run amd64 Debian on it rather than i386?
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11:18<abrotman>reinstall .. yes
11:18<abrotman>qq: why do you reference sidux docs for people with Debian problems?
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11:19<EmleyMoor>abrotman: So I'd have to start from scratch - fair enough I guess
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11:22<qq>abrotman: it may be usefully as any other (debian/google) informations
11:22<abrotman>it's not debian
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11:23<qq>nor google
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11:23<abrotman>that doesn't make sense .. stop pointing people with Debian issues at sidux docs
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11:26<baller_>so... about that problem with the dissapeared partitions...
11:26<baller_>how could i fix it?
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11:27<guillaume>abrotman: as your good under debian do you know how I can setup wpa_gui and ifplugd in order to launch dhcp setup when an ssid is up ? Until now ifplugd detect the interfaces up and down, but as with wpa_supplicant I had to setup iface as manual, the link is up but I couldn't cath my ip adress by dhcp
11:27<guillaume>your -> you are
11:27<qq>baller: so your boot debice is /dev/hdb2 ....
11:28<cast>i have a site that i have to login into and download updates from, that should be automated. i've tried wget --cookies ... --user-agent ... to no success. i'm thinking of recording mouse clicks in firefox as one method, any other suggestions? that one method is pretty damned nasty
11:28<abrotman>guillaume: isn't that what network-manager is for ?
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11:29<baller_>qq, i have a separate /boot
11:29<baller_>how did it all get mixed up?
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11:30<guillaume>abrotman: in roaming mode, network-manager is off
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11:30<qq>baller_: is up to you to find
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11:31<abrotman>guillaume: so you want to run dhclient when the ifplugd starts the interface?
11:31<guillaume>abrotman: my manager for wifi is now wpa_gui
11:31<guillaume>abrotman: exactly
11:32<baller_>all i did was putting the new (old one acutally) HDD in my box, boot, and made sure that i would boot in the right HDD (the one that was already installed)
11:32<abrotman>i odn't use ifplugd .. but i'd imagine that it has a method for that
11:32<guillaume>abrotman: but this interface is setup as manual in interfaces
11:32<stefon>baller: so use cfdisk on /dev/hdb to find your /home partition
11:32<abrotman>it should still have a method to run a command/script after bringing up an interface
11:33<guillaume>I just have to find how I can tell ifplugd to execute dhclient on it after the link is up
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11:33<baller_>seems to be the same
11:33<baller_>a = now b
11:33<guillaume>I do it manually until now :(
11:34<qq>guillaume: change manual to dhcp on this interface
11:34<stefon>right... maybe you have installed the new hard disk on the first ata connector and so this is causing the problem
11:34<stefon>anyway, you can change the hda to hdb
11:34<guillaume>qq: it's not possible due to the fact that wpa_supplicant can't run on an interface if it's not "manual"
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11:35<baller_>would i be better off when I change the hardware?
11:35<guillaume>in roaming mode
11:35<stefon>you could change the ata connectors of the hard disks too, I would give this a try
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11:36<baller_>how do i know what's 1 and 2
11:37<stefon>just change the cable between the two hd's
11:37<qq>guillaume: read carefully , that doc , it is good explaned
11:37<baller_>well be right back i hop
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11:48<aFlag>hi, I want mplayer to run with a higher nice level than other programs, but I don't want to run it as root. What do I do?
11:49<cast>you could renice it as root
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11:50<aFlag>but there's no way to set it so it's already at the correct nice level when I open it?
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11:56<witte>anyone knows of changes/bugs that would cause the authentication/mounting process of nfs mounts to change on sid/lenny
11:56<witte>I can still mount my partition (which is on a server running lenny), but files with 600 permissions are no longer readable?
11:56<witte>I suspect changes of PAM to be the cause, but I don't know to much about it, and a glimpse on the bug tracking system did not give results at first sight
11:56<cast>someone mentioned something about the user nobody before
11:57<cast>[005121] < lbt> I just upgrade my client nfs-common (testing) and found my username mapped to 'nobody'. I mentioned this yesterday and it's apparently a feature - but it breaks my nfs-mounted home directory. b4 logging a bug I thought I'd see if there was something I've done wrong. Any ideas?
11:58<witte>cast: yeah, it looks like i have encountered the same thing
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11:59<cast>anything in /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/ worth reading?
11:59<aFlag>maybe I could write a crontab that renices any occurrences of mplayer
11:59<witte>i'll go and check
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12:01<cast>aFlag: that's pretty nasty
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12:02<cast>how about a little script that renices mplayer
12:02<cast>then have a sudoers line to run that as your user with the NOPASSWD option
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12:06<aFlag>cast: hm, that should be better
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12:07<spiderik>hi, anybody for a help here? gotta problem with exim4 setting on debian
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12:08<aniki>ahoi compadres
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12:10<witte>cast: there was not much in the changelogs, but looking again at the bug tracking system, it seems there are more people with the same problem, and they have posted some solutions, which i will now check out, Thanks!
12:11<dpkg>methinks exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. It is available under the GPL and the current version in Debian is exim4. Ask me about <exim4> <exim boot stall> <exim flush queue> <exim4gmail> or see
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12:11<dpkg>exim4 is probably the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on
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12:12<aniki>how do i make debian use less ram on an 7 year old laptop ? and yes i am a newbie to linux .. god i hate newbies
12:12<cahoot>no X
12:12<aFlag>what's your laptop?
12:12<witte>aniki: run a very light graphical user interface
12:12<aFlag>I use debian on a pentium 3 900MHz, it runs fine
12:13<cast>aniki: don't run x :)
12:13<cast>aniki: ...or emacs.
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12:13<aniki>hmm some old siemens laptop .. 256 megs of ram and with debian on its slower than windows 2000 .. by far
12:13<aFlag>I have 256MB as well
12:13<cahoot>debian i e gnome?
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12:13<witte>aniki: 256 MB, wow, i have machines with 96 or so
12:13<aFlag>not running X is silly, imho
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12:13<aniki>debian with gnome, yes ? :)
12:14<witte>aniki: remove gnome, install xfce
12:14<cahoot>change to sometning lighter
12:14<aFlag>fluxbox is pretty decent
12:14<cast>aFlag: i think it's great, especially when you have to focus on one thing at a time
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12:14<cast>aFlag: not so great for porn, and arty things like the gimp and blender, i agree
12:15<dpkg>xfce is probably a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins.
12:15<aFlag>I agree that X can be pretty distractive. But eventually I end up needing to do something on the web
12:15<aFlag>and I don't like lynx or links or w3m
12:15<witte>aniki: and use netsurf instead of iceweasel
12:16<aFlag>it might be alright for porn, I think it's possible to make mplayer run on terminal, no?
12:16<witte>aniki: no openoffice, if you don't need tis
12:16<cahoot>but 256 MB isn't so small
12:16<aFlag>I use iceweasel without problems with 256MB
12:16<aniki>so ... gnome will be removed and replaced how ? like ... i looooooove GUI .. i loooooove mouses ... is there a way for it with klicking and more klicking and not using the command line ?
12:16<spiderik>witte you have any experience with exim? I have some troubles witih getting it run :(
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12:16<aFlag>aniki: xfce, fluxbox, etc
12:17<Tuplad>anyone knows what causes MPlayer to say "MVs not available" ?
12:17<witte>spiderik: nope, none :-), i just know how to invoke dpkg :-)
12:17<spiderik>witte hmm :) that is where I ended :D
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12:17<spiderik>anyway thanx
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12:18<nobie>hi guy ~ how to use usb wifi in debian etch ?
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12:19<aFlag>if you're a power emacs user, you don't need X. You barely need anything besides emacs.
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12:20<witte>nobie: depends on the device...
12:20<witte>nobie: remove the usb device, and plug it back in
12:21<witte>nobie: afterwards type this in the terminal: "dmesg |tail -n 30"
12:21<witte>nobie: and upload the result to a pastebin
12:21<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
12:21<nobie>witte : ok
12:21<aFlag>I like xmonad as a window manager, but I'm sure most people won't agree with me
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12:23<aniki>so .. is the a way to get to use my usb hdd in ntfs without the 3g driver in console? like, how can i write and delete with a clicking mouse ?
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12:23<aniki>and god do i sound awful. i sound like my fucking father in front of a windows pc
12:24<aFlag>I have no idea, I never mounted any ntfs partition
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12:24<witte>aFlag: has xfiny been talking to you? (don't know if i have spelled his nick correct)
12:24<witte>aFlag: he is a big fan of such wm's (and he has been trying to convince me to switch from my trusted windowmaker environment :P)
12:24<aFlag>hm, I don't know xfiny
12:25<aFlag>I found out about xmonad on a Simon Peyton Jones
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12:25<aFlag>initially I just wanted to read its code and play around with it
12:25<witte>aniki: there is no such thing as different drivers for console and gui. once you enable it will run on both, and you can use your gui thing
12:26<dpkg>ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
12:26<aFlag>but it turned out to be a great window manager :)
12:26<witte>aFlag: it is on my list of stuff i certainly want to try, but for now, i am just holding on to my trusted windowmaker :P
12:27<aFlag>I use window manager at college, I like it as well
12:27<aFlag>I have a friend that uses xmonad instead of metacity with his gnome
12:27<aFlag>he says it's great
12:28<qq>i use lxde
12:28<aFlag>I even load gnome-settings-daemon for the pretty gtk :)
12:28<aFlag>but that's all I use from gnome
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12:30<aniki>where do i deinstall gnome? do i need to compile the kernel? how long would it take on a 900 mhz ?
12:30<Tuv0k>so I go to install Lenny with encrypted /home and /swap, and it freezes at extracting debconf
12:30<Tuv0k>no disk or cdrom activity
12:30<witte>aniki: open up synaptic, and remove gnome, and at the same time make sure you install something else, such as xfce
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12:31<aniki>will i have to close other programs or will i be able to let them run in the meantime ?
12:31<aFlag>aniki: why would you need to compile the kernel? :P
12:31<aFlag>you don't usually have to compile anything, only if the package is not available for debian
12:31<aniki>if i had any idea of what i am doing i would do it without asking XD
12:32<witte>aniki: you can run synaptic at the same time, but you need to log out, before you can use an other windowmanager
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12:32<aFlag>you don't even need to delete gnome right away
12:32<aFlag>you can just install xfce
12:32<witte>aniki: maybe better first try an other windowmanager before removing gnome
12:32<aFlag>and then choose it at log in
12:33<aniki> where do you get the drugs to keep calm with all those idiotic newbie questions?:)
12:33<witte>!coffee witte
12:33*dpkg decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade International Roast Caterers Blend for witte, courtesy of witte
12:33<aFlag>I suppose you use gdm?
12:33<witte>!beer aniki
12:33*dpkg pours a litre of Jever for aniki
12:33<aniki>!absinth witte
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12:34<stefon>*g* nice try aniki
12:34<aFlag>I was going for !absinth&cocain aflag, but you were faster on the absinth :P
12:34<aniki>i love bots
12:34<aFlag>aniki: so you are a windows user and now you're trying out this linux thingy?
12:35<aniki>ohhh and another one.. when installing i had my usb mouse on .. now its my touchpad, and even though i have all levers on full its still to slow and unresponsive
12:35<aniki>how do i change it
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12:35<sejje>i'm with nobie--i can't get my wireless to work via dhcp or static addresses
12:35<aniki>linux thingie ... yeah basicly
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12:36<aniki>had it with security issues and want a system no policecunt will be able to hack
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12:39<witte>sejje: same goes for you: which wireless?
12:39<hugo_home>where can I find information about the mouse-protocols? I try to read the data, I am getting four bytes, one for the buttons, one for the wheel and two for the motion, but I don't know how to interpret the 2 bytes for the motion
12:39<sejje>i missed any conversation you had with him: i was disconnected and didn't realize it
12:40<sejje>witte: my card is rtl8187b, and it's (finally) configured properly through ndiswrapper
12:40<sejje>witte: my router is a belkin54g, and i've tried it with and without WEP
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12:41<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, "modprobe rtl8187". All other chipsets or older kernels require driver compilation, see for instructions. Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. <rtl-wifi 2.6.24>
12:41<witte>sejje: which kernel do you have, because you don't need ndiswrapper for this card
12:42<sejje>witte: 2.6.18-6-686 -- i've tried several times using the real driver--apparently my version needs ndis, the PID is 0bda:8719
12:42<sejje>witte: 0bda:8197, sorry
12:43<sejje>witte: rtl8187 and rtl8187b are apparently totally different
12:44<abrotman>aniki: you can msg the bot
12:44<sejje>witte: but long story short is that i believe it's working properly now, as it shows up in ifconfig and what-have-you
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12:45<rodna>I mounted a hard disk and the folder is read only - why ?
12:46<witte>sejje: ok, you can try to configure it using a gui network manager
12:46<rodna>how can I change it
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12:47<witte>sejje: network-admin should be quite ok
12:47<hugo_home>rodna: it depends ;)
12:47<sejje>witte: i'll give it a shot and report back ;)
12:47<avu>3g, not 3ng
12:47<rodna>hugo: depends on stars? :)
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12:47<hugo_home>rodna: depends on the reason why it is readonly
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12:48<sejje>witte: what's the package name for that, can't find it at the package search?
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12:48<hugo_home>rodna: chmod, chattr, mounted readonly, readonly-jumper on the hard disc...
12:48<rodna>mounted readonly - ok let me see
12:49<witte>sejje: but on etch it could be gnome-system-tools, i'm not sure, one second
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12:50<witte>sejje: it is gnome-system-tools on stable
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12:50<sejje>witte: thanks, lol, i was furiously searching to no avail
12:50<hugo_home>rodna: there might be only readonly-support for the specific filesystem on the hard disc
12:50<sejje>actually i glanced at my last search and there it was.
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12:52<rodna>hugo: I am looking now for it - it is a fat32 partition
12:52<witte>you can use the page i gave to search for filenames
12:52<witte>or you can use apt-file
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12:53<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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12:55<sejje>witte: using network-admin to set up DHCP didn't error, but when it finished i still can't connect to the router. is there a way to specify which connection is being used (like by my browser)?
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12:55<sejje>witte: also, strange side-note that may be relevant: i ran eth0 down, yet i'm still connected with it--network-admin reports it's not configured
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12:56<witte>sejje: do you run network-admin as root? or with sudo?
12:56<witte>what is your wireless link called? eth1? wlan0?
12:57<witte>can you pastebin the output of iwconfig wlan0
12:58<sejje>witte: (bitchx) what's the way to do that?
12:58<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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12:59<witte>dpkg: pastebin
12:59<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
12:59<aniki>where do i see how much space is left on my system. on a sidenote is there a programm like sequioa view which shows files in rectangles according to their filesize
13:00<witte>aniki: df
13:01<witte>sejje: can you set the essid correctly (iwconfig wlan0 essid <networkname>)
13:01<witte>sejje: and afterwards run "dhclient wlan0"
13:02<witte>sejje: at least if your router is a dhcp server
13:02<sejje>witte: it runs find, but doesn't discover anything (it is a dhcp server, yes)
13:02<sejje>runs fine*
13:02<sejje>no errors or whatever
13:02<witte>sejje: do you need encryption?
13:03<sejje>witte: no, i live in the woods. I disabled it on the router, although i've tried it both ways.
13:03<aniki>when i run a program on the console strg z will kill it. what is the command so it will run on while i can type in new commands ?
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13:03<witte>aniki: fg
13:04<aFlag>aniki: I like using df -h, some people find it bad, dunno why
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13:06<witte>aniki: i think
13:06<witte>sejje: strange, it should just work
13:06<witte>sejje: no output in dmesg
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13:06<sejje>well, i don't know how recent it is
13:06<sejje>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
13:07<sejje>i'm not up on how dmesg works, and i've been messing with this for 12 hours, so that could be old news?
13:07<witte>sejje: just to try:
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13:07<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
13:07<witte>install that etchnhalf kernel (2.6.24, and try if that driver does work
13:07<sejje>upgrade kernel?
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13:07<sejje>alright. i did see notes specific to .24, although i ignored them
13:08<sejje>witte: i really appreciate your help. are you mario, btw?
13:08<witte>sejje: no i'm not :-)
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13:11<aniki>my pc laggs bad.. is there something akin to the hardware monitor in windows where you can see that its this or that proggie that slows you down ?
13:11<supaman>aniki: top
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13:12<aFlag>you may need to set different nice values to different software
13:13<aFlag>for instance, if I don't set mplayer to a high priority it doesn't work too well sometimes
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13:14<aFlag>it would be cool if there was some way to say stuff like the program /path/to/program will always start with a default nice of X. There's nothing that do that, is there?
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13:15<aniki>mplayer is best for videos on linux ? what about vlc .. ?
13:15<abrotman>try them both .. choose the one you like
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13:15<aFlag>they are both good
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13:16<fxiny>aFlag: in doubt follow the wind :P
13:16<aFlag>fxiny: what you mean? :)
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13:17<abrotman>that's a really dumb spam bot
13:17<aniki>why not autoban ?
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13:18<aniki>for all ~birsevdam@
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13:20<aniki>allright :D
13:20<fxiny>hahah turkspambot !
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13:23<qq>h2-gw: hi
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13:29<TIBSlaptop>do u install rpm's
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13:30<supaman>TIBSlaptop: try the alien command
13:30<TIBSlaptop>shell1:~# alien
13:30<TIBSlaptop>-bash: alien: command not found
13:30<supaman>then install the corresponding package
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13:30<abrotman>TIBSlaptop: what are you trying to alien ?
13:30<TIBSlaptop>camfrog server
13:31<abrotman>TIBSlaptop: try to install alien before trying to use it
13:31<TIBSlaptop>ang on
13:31<TIBSlaptop>im gonna change machines
13:31<TIBSlaptop>two secs
13:31<zobel>you loose
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13:32<abrotman>zobel: lose?
13:32*abrotman hides
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13:32<TIBS01>im just putting the file
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13:32<TIBS01>onto my server
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13:34<TIBS01>thats wot im trying to install
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13:36<aniki>thanks again. i'll be back
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13:40<TIBS01>hell1:~# rpm -i camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;
13:40<TIBS01>-bash: rpm: command not found
13:40-!-TIBS01 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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13:41<TIBS01>wot do i do now
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13:41<jello>TIBS01: what are you trying to do?
13:41<TIBS01>install camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm
13:41*fxiny calls Sig Weav alien terminator
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13:41<abrotman>TIBSlaptop: try to install alien before trying to use it
13:41<supaman>TIBS01: install the alien package and read the man page for alien
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13:42<TIBS01>how i do that
13:42<abrotman>!tell TIBS01 about grounding
13:42<TIBS01>its running debian
13:42<supaman>sudo aptitude install alien
13:42<abrotman>TIBS01: which version of Debian ?
13:42<abrotman>supaman: that may fail ..
13:42<TIBS01>ang on
13:42<TIBS01>shell1:~# uname -a
13:42<TIBS01>Linux 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 26 17:54:59 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
13:42<Lethalman>help: # dpkg --configure -a
13:42<Lethalman>dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0183' near line 1:
13:42<Lethalman> newline in field name `#padding'
13:42<dpkg>no idea, Lethalman
13:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
13:43<Lethalman>abrotman, i'v pasted 3 lines
13:43<TIBS01>there u go
13:43<abrotman>that was for both of you
13:43<abrotman>Lethalman: seems to me it tells you the problem
13:44<Lethalman>abrotman, no it doesn't seem to me
13:44<TIBS01>so wot i do now lol
13:44<Lethalman>abrotman, do I have to aptitude update?
13:44<Lethalman>because i can't since it's blocked
13:44<abrotman>fix that file
13:45<Lethalman>#padding instead of #paddi?
13:45<Lethalman>how do i fix that file?
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13:45<Lethalman>this is the first boring situation encountered while using debian
13:46<Lethalman>i've tried to fix the file but with no luck
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13:46<TIBS01>shell1:~# apt-get update
13:46<TIBS01>E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
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13:46<TIBS01>oops soz
13:47<supaman>TIBS01: uhh, that did not really say much about the version of debian, we have the Lenny/Etch/Sid versions running at the moment, what does /etc/debian_version say?
13:48<TIBS01>alien wont install
13:48<supaman>ok, that is Etch
13:48<TIBS01>tell me how i upgrade me distro
13:48<TIBS01>and ill do it
13:48<TIBS01>to current version
13:48<TIBS01>mines well old i think
13:49<TIBS01>im aving troubles installing alien
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13:49<supaman>TIBS01: well, try aptitude update to begin with, aptitude is a little smarter then apt-get
13:50<TIBS01>E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
13:50<TIBS01>says same
13:50<supaman>ok, create that dir .. its supposed to be empty (don't know why that is not there)
13:50<TIBS01>how ?
13:50<TIBS01>using pico ?
13:51<supaman>uhhh .. mkdir
13:51<TIBS01>shell1:~# mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
13:51<TIBS01>mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/cache/apt/archives/partial': File exists
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13:51<TIBS01>file permissions 0_o
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13:52<supaman>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root is on my system
13:52<TIBS01>huh im root already
13:52<TIBS01>wot numbers that
13:52<TIBS01>777 ?
13:52<TIBS01>chmod 777 ?
13:52<supaman>755 I think
13:52<newsense>rwx by all
13:53<TIBS01>chmod 755 /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
13:53<TIBS01>see if that works
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13:53<TIBS01>hell1:~# aptitude update
13:53<TIBS01>E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
13:53<TIBS01>still same
13:53<TIBS01>tried 777 that aint eveing working
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13:54<abrotman>!tell TIBS01 about grounding
13:54<abrotman>don't change the perms on that directory
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13:55<TIBS01>so wots the defult perms on that dir
13:55<abrotman>the one you started with
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13:55<TIBS01>its set back
13:55<TIBS01>so why aint it updating ?
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13:56<qq>!tell TIBS01 about reinstall a clean system
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13:57<supaman>TIBS01: try aptitude autoclean
13:57<TIBS01>gonna try now
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13:57<TIBS01>E: Unable to read /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ - opendir (20 Not a directory)
13:57<TIBS01>Freed 0B of disk space
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13:58<TIBS01>now wot i do
13:59<supaman>TIBS01: you sure that it is a directory, not a normal file or something else?
13:59<TIBS01>when i go in pico
13:59<TIBS01>its blank
13:59<abrotman>TIBS01: ls -ld /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
13:59<TIBS01>shell1:~# ls -ld /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
13:59<TIBS01>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1 2008-03-25 13:14 /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
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13:59<supaman>thats not a directory
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14:00<TIBS01>wot i do now then
14:00<TIBS01>rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
14:00<abrotman>why does everyone have to -rf everything ?
14:00<abrotman>it's not funny
14:00<abrotman>that's probably how you broke it in the first place
14:00<TIBS01>tell me then
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14:01<supaman>just rm .. no -rf is needed
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14:02<TIBS01>shell1:~# rm
14:02<TIBS01>shell1:~# rm /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
14:02-!-TIBS01 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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14:02<supaman>please stop that
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14:02<TIBS01>give me a pastebin to paste into then
14:02<supaman>now create that directory with mkdir
14:02<abrotman>i already did
14:02<Lethalman>TIBS01, nopaste:
14:02<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
14:03<TIBS01>mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial ?
14:03<Lethalman>lol dpkg learn, those are all foreign services :)
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14:03<supaman>TIBS01: now try aptitude autoclean
14:03<fabricio>como vc tah
14:04<supaman>TIBS01: now do aptitude update
14:04<fabricio>i dont
14:04<fabricio>eu nao falo ingles
14:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:04<TIBS01>how i update my current version ?
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14:04<abrotman>aptitude update
14:04<abrotman>!tell TIBS01 about grounding
14:05<TIBS01>i got the same msg about 3 times
14:05<TIBS01>dont tell me how to update the distro
14:05<fabricio>i no ingles
14:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:06<fabricio>me ajuda
14:06<TIBS01>how i update the whole lot
14:06<TIBS01>in appitude
14:06<abrotman>!tell TIBS01 about grounding
14:06<abrotman>TIBS01: you really need to read the documentation ..
14:06<ranix>TIBS01: do a little work for yourself
14:06<TIBS01>google it
14:06<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
14:06<TIBS01>its eaSIER
14:07<abrotman>fine .. do whatever you want
14:07<ranix>TIBS01: GTFO
14:07<TIBS01>none of u lot will help
14:07<abrotman>you won't help yourself
14:07<abrotman>it's not hard to read a little documentation
14:07<TIBS01>its about 100 pages
14:07<abrotman>is that all?
14:08<abrotman>if you can learn everything you need to know in 100 pages, i'd start now
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14:08<TIBS01>aptitude dist-upgrade
14:09<TIBS01>downloading like fuckj
14:09<ranix>!ops please do something about TIBS01
14:09<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ranix complains about: please do something about TIBS01
14:09<TIBS01>will that install new kernel
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14:10<abrotman>ranix: don't do that
14:10<abrotman>ranix: what is he doing wrong?
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14:10<TIBS01>i been on the net 16 yrs
14:10<ranix>cursing, heading off-topic, asking advice and igoring it
14:10<TIBS01>i was on when iwas on dialup in the uk
14:11<abrotman>ranix: then ask him not to curse
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14:11<abrotman>TIBS01: no one cares ..
14:11<TIBS01>u lot just yankiees moody :)
14:11<abrotman>ranix: or tell him to go to #debian-offtopic to chat
14:11<ranix>abrotman: he's a troll
14:11<abrotman>i think he's got other issues :)
14:11<TIBS01>no i aint a troll
14:11<ranix>abrotman: I can tell, because I have seen a great many trolls in my time
14:12<TIBS01>im male from the uk :D
14:12<TIBS01>u sure
14:12<abrotman>TIBS01: this channel is for support, if you want to chat try #debian-offtopic
14:12<TIBS01>im asking support
14:12<abrotman>then keep it to that
14:12<TIBS01>im not causing n e trouble
14:12<TIBS01>i am
14:12<TIBS01>im upgrading my distro
14:12<abrotman>and use whole words
14:13<TIBS01>which is compiling
14:13<sejje>hey, what's the bot command to talk about RW privs on NTFS mounts?
14:13<abrotman>!tell sejje about ntfsrw
14:13<TIBS01>im goin to eat as its compiling
14:13<TIBS01>ill brb
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14:13<sejje>abrotman: you up on why fusermount will fail?
14:15<sejje>fuse module?
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14:20<talonIX>anybody feel up to helping me figure out what I'm missing to get my audio working?
14:20<abrotman>!alsa checklist
14:20<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
14:20<talonIX>ok I'll try that again
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14:21<sejje>lol, move #6 to #1?
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14:29<talonIX>haha, ok my bad - MM in alsamixer is muted, I thought muted wouldn't be the default
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14:33<TIBS01>its still upgrading the distro
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14:33<TIBS01>now how i upgrade the kernel
14:33<abrotman>it just did
14:33<TIBS01>ok dokie
14:34<qaridarium>ein kumpel wollte debian installieren nun aber hat er ein gewisses dpi und aufllösungs problem wollte ihm helfen dadurch das ich sidux benutze hab ich von debian only kaum einen schimmer das instalationshandbuch hilft kaum weiter
14:34<TIBS01>how i install camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;
14:34<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
14:34<abrotman>!tell TIBS01 about alien
14:34<abrotman>TIBS01: you NEED to read the documentation on how to run a computer
14:35<TIBS01>pkg_add alien
14:35<TIBS01>is it
14:35<abrotman>have a good day
14:35<TIBS01>hell1:~# apt-get alien
14:35<TIBS01>E: Invalid operation alien
14:35-!-TIBS01 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
14:35<qaridarium>abrotman:thx :)
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14:36<abrotman>qaridarium: you can do english here, or german there
14:36<TIBS01>oh well
14:36<TIBS01>give up
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14:37<TIBS01>shell1:~# rpm -i camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm
14:37<TIBS01>error: open of camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm failed: No such file or directory
14:37<Torsten_W>it's never a goot idea to use rpm in debian
14:38<avu>TIBS01, don't use rpm to install software on debian
14:38<avu>TIBS01, if you *really* only have a rpm of that software, try using alien on it
14:38<abrotman>he's already been told .. but he's ignoring everyone
14:38<TIBS01>thats wot im trying to install
14:38<gass>Torsten_W, but why rpm and *yum* are in debian? so we can insall rpm packages?
14:38<Torsten_W>gass: ask the maintainer of this packages
14:38<TIBS01>shell1:~# alien camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;
14:38<TIBS01>File "camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm" not found.
14:38<TIBS01>its there
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14:39<abrotman>gass: well .. alien needs rpm in order to convert from rpm to deb
14:39<abrotman>i guess that could be static .. but oh well
14:39<Torsten_W>gass: in debian, we should use deb, not rpm
14:39<avu>gass, it's even in the description of the rpm debian package..
14:39<gass>it is?
14:39<avu>gass, yes..
14:39<TIBS01>wots the command to install it
14:40<TIBS01>pmt file
14:40<gass>avu, you're right :)
14:40<TIBS01>i installed it
14:40<TIBS01>wheres it install too
14:40<gass>avu, now ... can you explain yum?
14:40<avu>gass, and if you want to know why it's needed in debian, apt-cache rdepends tells you
14:40<Torsten_W>and also should one alien only with mindful use
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14:40<gass>avu, i think lsb needs it
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14:41<TIBS01>fuck sake
14:41<avu>gass, again, apt-cache rdepends...
14:41<avu>TIBS01, watch the language please
14:41<Pi3rrot>hi all
14:41<TIBS01>shell1:~# alien camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;
14:41<TIBS01>File "camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm" not found.
14:41<avu>TIBS01, you pasted that many times now
14:41<gass>TIBS01, you have a ; that is wrong
14:41<abrotman>gass: no
14:41<avu>gass, no it isn't.
14:41<TIBS01>but the file name is with ; on the nd
14:42<TIBS01>i tried it without it
14:42<avu>aha! :)
14:42<TIBS01>still aint working
14:42<avu>TIBS01, \;
14:42<avu>TIBS01, ; is interpreted by the shell
14:42<avu>TIBS01, you have to escape it
14:42<TIBS01>how i rename the file then
14:42<Torsten_W>man mv
14:42<avu>just use \; not ; in the name
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14:42<avu>will be the same problem with mv :)
14:43<TIBS01>shell1:~# alien camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm\;
14:43<TIBS01>Unknown type of package, camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;.
14:43<gass>i forget that now we can virtulize an rpm system inside debian ... and need rpm and yum to install them also
14:43<tmg1|hardy>TIBS01: try moving the package to just being a rpm
14:43<Torsten_W>tab will escape the ; itself
14:43<avu>TIBS01, use file to verify that it's really what you think it is
14:43<tmg1|hardy>so "mv camwhatever.rpm\; to camwhatever.rpm"
14:43<tmg1|hardy>and then alien camwhatever.rpm
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14:43<Pi3rrot>i have a problem, i want to compile vmware on 2.6.24-1 kernel, but gcc4.1 failed. Anyone know howto recompile kernel with gcc 4.3?
14:44<TIBS01>shell1:~# verify camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm
14:44<TIBS01>-bash: verify: command not found
14:44<avu>TIBS01, I said 'use file to verify'
14:44<avu>TIBS01, 'file'
14:44<abrotman>ranix: see .. other problems
14:44<avu>TIBS01, not 'verify'
14:44<avu>TIBS01, maybe you should seek support in your native language?
14:44<aFlag>Pi3rrot: linux should compile with gcc 4.1
14:45<TIBS01>im from the uk
14:45<TIBS01>born n bread
14:45<avu>oh my
14:45<TIBS01>im sure i know
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14:45<abrotman>avu: shocking eh?
14:45<Pi3rrot>aFlag, it don't compile, it failed with wrong version of gcc
14:45<TIBS01>shell1:~# ls
14:45<TIBS01>camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm; install-report.template
14:46<avu>TIBS01, again, use file(1) to verify if the file really contains what you think it does
14:46<aFlag>Pi3rrot: did it fail or did it just asked if you want to continue anyway?
14:46<TIBS01>command verify filename
14:46<avu>TIBS01, no. file.
14:46<avu>TIBS01, the command is file.
14:47<TIBS01>shell1:~# file camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;
14:47<TIBS01>camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm: ERROR: cannot open `camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm' (No such file or directory)
14:47<avu>TIBS01, again with the ;
14:47<abrotman>!pal avu
14:47*dpkg points at avu and laughs hysterically
14:47<TIBS01>shell1:~# file camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;
14:47<TIBS01>camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm: ERROR: cannot open `camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm' (No such file or directory)
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14:47<TIBS01>i done it with ;
14:47<avu>TIBS01, THE ;
14:47<TIBS01>nowt has happend
14:47<TIBS01>shell1:~# file camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;
14:47<avu>TIBS01, we just covered this
14:48<avu>20:42 < avu> TIBS01, ; is interpreted by the shell
14:48<aFlag>$ ; camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm
14:48<aFlag>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
14:48<TIBS01>so i goto rename the file without the ;
14:48<avu>20:42 < avu> TIBS01, you have to escape it
14:48<avu>20:42 < avu> just use \; not ; in the name
14:48*aFlag adds confusion.
14:48<TIBS01>shell1:~# ; camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm
14:48<TIBS01>-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
14:48<Pi3rrot>aFlag, look when i'm installing vmware
14:49<avu>aFlag, stop it
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14:49<TIBS01>shell1:~# file camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm\;
14:49<TIBS01>camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;: RPM v3 bin i386 camfrogserver-4.1-1
14:49<TIBS01>there u go
14:49<TIBS01>now wot :/
14:49<abrotman>Pi3rrot: it's uh .. in french
14:49<aFlag>Pi3rrot: hm, bummer :-/
14:50<avu>so seems that either the noarch is wrong or alien really uses the extension to figure out the filetype
14:50<Pi3rrot>i'm french :)
14:50<avu>TIBS01, try renaming the file so it doesn't have that ; at the end
14:50<avu>TIBS01, and at least try speaking proper english please
14:50<TIBS01>i am
14:50<avu>20:43 < tmg1|hardy> so "mv camwhatever.rpm\; to camwhatever.rpm"
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14:50<avu>no, 'wot', for example, is not an english word AFAIK
14:51<ninnghizidha>is there nfs4 in etch?
14:51<aFlag>Pi3rrot: doesn't seem to have gcc. You can compile it
14:51<avu>and quite a few people here are not native speakers which may have a difficult time figuring out your slang terms
14:51<aFlag>it will take a while, though
14:51<abrotman>aFlag: why?
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14:51<TIBS01>hell1:~# mv `camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm; `camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm
14:51<TIBS01>-bash: camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm: command not found
14:51<tmg1|hardy>wot is an english word
14:51<avu>TIBS01, dude
14:51<avu>20:50 < avu> 20:43 < tmg1|hardy> so "mv camwhatever.rpm\; to camwhatever.rpm"
14:51<aFlag>abrotman: well, it seems like vmware is not too happy with his gcc version
14:51<avu>the " are not part of the command
14:52<avu>and they are " not `
14:52<tmg1|hardy>but it's an old english word
14:52<TIBS01>shell1:~# mv `camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm\; `camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm
14:52<TIBS01>-bash: camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm;: command not found
14:52<TIBS01>mv: missing destination file operand after `camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm'
14:52<abrotman>Pi3rrot: are you running etch or lenny ?
14:52<ranix>stop pasting things to #debian
14:52<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
14:52<avu>TIBS01, leave out the `...
14:52<aFlag>Pi3rrot: alternatively you can try virtualbox
14:52<avu>TIBS01, and stop acting so incredibly stupid
14:52<Pi3rrot>aFlag, there are backpots depots on lenny ?
14:52<abrotman>Pi3rrot: are you running etch or lenny ?
14:52<avu>TIBS01, you make my soul hurt
14:52<Pi3rrot>abrotman, lenny
14:52<aFlag>Pi3rrot: oh, I was thinking about etch
14:52<tmg1|hardy>example: "I wot syn þat ilk tyme"
14:52<TIBS01>bloody hell
14:52<TIBS01>still the same
14:53<abrotman>Pi3rrot: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 .. and try again
14:53<ranix>TIBS01: maybe you should be using ubuntu, or windows
14:53<TIBS01>shell1:~# ls
14:53<TIBS01>camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm; install-report.template
14:53<tmg1|hardy>what's that symbol before c
14:53<avu>TIBS01, well, you didn't rename it then...
14:53<abrotman>Pi3rrot: your kernel is out of date .. which may explain the gcc mismatch
14:53<tmg1|hardy>is that a `?
14:53<TIBS01>i done it
14:53<TIBS01>i renamed it
14:53<ranix>TIBS01: perhaps you need one of those mouth-poke bars and an interface for the intensely handicapped
14:53<abrotman>or not
14:53<TIBS01>who asked u
14:53<TIBS01>i sorted it now
14:53<TIBS01>how i install the bugger
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14:54<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
14:54<TIBS01>rpm -i filename
14:54<TIBS01>do that
14:54<TIBS01>shell1:~# rpm -i camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm
14:54<TIBS01>warning: camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 6720bf57
14:54<TIBS01>error: Failed dependencies:
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14:54<Torsten_W>what a dumb
14:54<abrotman>STOP PASTING
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14:55<avu>TIBS01, that was the sixth time the bot kicked you for pasting in the channel
14:55<ranix>seriously abrotman, this has been going on for an hour
14:55<ranix>when are you going to get rid of this guy
14:55<abrotman>ranix: so he's dumb .. what do you want me to do?
14:55<TIBS01>tell me then ill be out of of your hair
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14:55<TIBS01>how to install it
14:56<avu>TIBS01, you have generated the .deb? install it with dpkg -i. and then go. and don't come back. kthxbye.
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14:56<TIBS01>no its rpm
14:56-!-ccube [] has joined #debian
14:56<avu>oh the pain
14:56<Pi3rrot>abrotman, i prefere2.6.24 kernel, but the 2.6.25 is installed too
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14:56<TIBS01>its asking for lib tobe installed etc
14:58<gass>dpkg -i package.deb && apt-get install -f
14:58<dpkg>package package.deb && apt-get install -f is already installed
14:59<gass>ehehe ... bot answered
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14:59<gass>dpkg -i pakage.deb
14:59<dpkg>package pakage.deb is already installed
14:59<gass>dpkg -r package.deb
14:59*dpkg removes package.deb along with a pound of flesh from gass's body, then staples gass back up with a staple gun.
14:59<gass>dpkg -x package.dsc
14:59<dpkg>gass: I don't know, could you explain it?
15:00<abrotman>gass: stop playing with the bot
15:00<pendol>i'm trying to find out what the latest kernel is that does not have xen support. does anyone know the answrer offhand?
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15:00<gass>abrotman, you have these cool features that are to be explored
15:00<gass>pendol, that *does* not have?
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15:01<abrotman>pendol: why? nvidia problems?
15:01<pendol>i got the nv driver working fine, but i want to go 3d
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15:02<TIBS01>how i install all of lib ?
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15:02<abrotman>you were already told
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15:02<TIBS01>i was aving a piss
15:03<gass>read back
15:03<TIBS01>dpkg -x package.dsc
15:03<abrotman>dpkg: don't do that
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15:03<TIBS01>Perhaps you should be using dpkg --install ?
15:04<abrotman>ranix_: hi
15:04<ranix_>hello, abrotman
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15:05<abrotman>ranix: see .. that's why not ..
15:05<ranix_>abrotman: i don't know
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15:06<TIBS01>is that todo with lib
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15:08<TIBS01>paste bin
15:08<TIBS01>give me a yr
15:08<TIBS01>url im aving this poo when i install
15:08<TIBS01>if someone can help ill be happy
15:08<TIBS01>i need a pastebin url tho
15:08<witte>TIBS01: can you try to type in English?
15:08-!-ranix_ is now known as dpkg
15:09<TIBS01>i just did
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15:09<TIBS01>give me a pastebin url
15:09<TIBS01>n ipaste wot problems im getting
15:10<aFlag>TIBS01: read the topic, /msg dpkg paster
15:10<pendol>is it a language barrier thing or what?
15:11<ranix>pendol: it's hard to hear over the bell curve, that's all
15:12<TIBS01>there u go
15:12<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
15:13<TIBS01>wot u lot think ?
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15:14<Torsten_W>i think, u should not install this rpm TIBS01
15:14<Torsten_W>if u will do that, use a rpm-based distro
15:15<TIBS01>all i goto do is install lib
15:15<pendol>yeah. you should really switch distros
15:15<Torsten_W>or use windows
15:16<aFlag>I didn't understand the strip
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15:17<TIBS01>i install lib then
15:17<TIBS01>the lot
15:17<aFlag>has anyone here played with systemtap? The thing is broken on etch :-(
15:18<aFlag>if the library is on debian repositories you install with apt-get (or aptitude or synaptic)
15:19<TIBS01>apt-get lib ?
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15:19<witte>aFlag: what didn't you understand about the strip?
15:20<witte>aFlag: it is not really rocket science :-)
15:21<witte>aFlag: in case you really don't know, this dictionary entry probably helps:
15:21<pendol>so i cant run vmware in 2.6.25 but if i stick with my current kernel i cant get the latest vlc
15:22<pendol>can i upgrade to lenny but use 2.6.18?
15:22<aFlag>witte: oh, that helped :P
15:22<pendol>does using an older kernel leave me vulnerable to exploits.
15:22<witte>pendol: are you running lenny? 2.6.26 is out in sid
15:23<witte>pendol: if you use the 2.6.18 from you should be fine
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15:24<TIBS01>how do i thtne
15:25<pendol>is there a community for virtualbox?
15:25<pendol>a channel on irc?
15:25<abrotman>probably on freenode
15:25*abrotman checks
15:26<abrotman>it's #vbox on freenode
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15:26<dpkg>methinks virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. Check out the website, or #vbox on
15:26<TIBS01>how ifix that ?
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15:26*abrotman wonders if they still teach english in england
15:27<witte>TIBS01: email the authors of that rpm thing and ask if they you the source code or that they build a deb package
15:27<witte>TIBS01: or use alien to make a deb
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15:28<abrotman>been down that road
15:28<Torsten_W>i would fix this with rm camfrogserver-4.1-1.noarch.rpm
15:28<witte>Torsten_W: :-)
15:28<Torsten_W>it's the only possible fix
15:28<witte>isn't there a debian alternative to something like this
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15:30<abrotman>it's a game server i'd wager
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15:31<aFlag>it seems to be some webcam chat thing
15:32<witte>i think it is some kind of webcam server
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15:32<TIBS01>its camfrog chat room
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15:33<aFlag>have you tried ekiga? I think you can use a webcam with it
15:33<pendol>anyone running virtualbox?
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15:35<Torsten_W>pendol: what's your problem?
15:35<pendol>an error message about virtualbox-ose-modules
15:36<Torsten_W>pendol: yeah, the package is broken
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15:37<Torsten_W>u must edit the postrm file in /var/lib/dpkg/info
15:38<Torsten_W>add 'exit 0' under 'set -e' [at the top, after #!/bin/sh];
15:38<Torsten_W>then u should purge this package, its not needed in host
15:39<Torsten_W>virtualbox-ose-modules or virtualbox-ose-guest-modules
15:39<abrotman>how about you ask what the error is first?
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15:41<pendol>Torsten_W: i dont' have a postrm file in /var/lib/dpkg/info
15:41<abrotman>pendol: paste the error in a pastebin
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15:44<Torsten_W>u have no virtualbox kernelmodule installed
15:46<aFlag>this bug makes systemtap package unusable on debian etch: should I expect it being fixed for etch?
15:46<pendol>but it's still failing and asking about that modul
15:47<Torsten_W>pendol: paste the output of dpkg -l | grep virtualbox
15:48<pendol>just a sec. i'm installing
15:48<pendol>what were you saying about the package being broken?
15:49<Torsten_W>pendol: its only in sid broken, the package virtualbox-ose-guest-modules
15:49<pendol>i installed everything
15:49<pendol>i'm running etch
15:50<witte>aFlag: if it is kernel error, try to use a newer one from etchnhalf
15:50<witte>or from backports
15:50<Torsten_W>pendol: no, u havn't installed the kernel-driver
15:50<aFlag>witte: it's missing options on .config, I'm not sure they've changed that
15:50<witte>aFlag: lenny is now frozen, so i would suspect that the main effort of the developers is in making that the best possible release ever
15:51<Torsten_W>pendol: u could build them with m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source
15:51<pendol>k. guess i dunno what that is
15:51<Torsten_W>pendol: u need virtualbox-ose-modules for your running kernel
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15:53<pendol>right. that's the conclusion i came to last time i tried this. my question was, i only see a package for lenny and one for sid, but i'm running etch. is it ok for me to just grab the lenny package?
15:54<pendol>that's kinda a general question i have. is it ok to grab a package from testing or unstable if it doesn't not exist for stable?
15:57<themill>pendol: no. /msg dpkg ssb
15:58<themill>(very occasionally this works for things that are pure perl or java, but in general, no, you can't do that)
15:58<Torsten_W>pendol: build the package witth module-assistant
15:58<Torsten_W>pendol: m-a prepare && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source
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16:02<buffoon>hi, isn't there a plugin for pdf's except the ugly acrobat one?
16:03<panthera>you can use evince inside mozilla when using mozplugger.
16:03<abrotman>buffoon: i just use evince .. whenclicking on a pdf in browsers .. it launches it outside the browser
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16:05<buffoon>panthera: ah, so it's like the acroread plugin, just with evince? sounds nice
16:06<panthera>as i said, install mozplugger in order to use evince inside mozilla.
16:06<buffoon>will try that out thx...
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16:06<buffoon>does it work with opera too?
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16:20<koops>how can i change firefox menu font color?
16:23<witte>koops: somewhere in about:config ?
16:23<aniki>how do i make the mousespeed faster when all toggles are way up?
16:23<koops>know where to start once im there? hehe too much options
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16:26<witte>koops: use the filter, but at first sight, i don't see anything that could help you (but then again, i did not take really long to search...)
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16:27<koops>ok... i found some info in ubuntu forum
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16:34<soulchild>Hi all
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16:42<amphi>!greet robertrocks
16:42<dpkg>Tag, robertrocks
16:43<robertrocks>!greet robert
16:43<dpkg>Gr33tz, robert
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16:44<stevecotton>is there anything that bot doesn't do?
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16:56<aniki>!scratch my balls
16:56*dpkg shreds my balls's backside
16:56<aniki>still waiting if anyone can help me: how do i make the mousespeed faster when all toggles are way up?
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16:57<witte>aniki: move faster
16:57<witte>and what are toggles
16:58<amphi>aniki: xset perhaps; I don't know what 'toggles' you're talking about
16:58<aniki>like .. the thingies in system mouse you can adjust ... argh .. regler
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17:02<Guest127>hi room
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17:02<Guest127>i am looking for the best graphics designing app for linux
17:02<aniki>ahjuster ?
17:03<Guest127>od you reckomend gimp only?
17:03<witte>Guest127: best is very subjective
17:03<QWWS>il me semble y avoir des gens francais ici
17:03<Guest127>i understand
17:03<dpkg>somebody said fr was Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
17:03<amphi>Guest127: inkscape for vector stuff
17:03<Guest127>i actually do embroidery digitizing and want to perfect images before digitizing
17:03<aniki>the ones you pull to the left or right to make it go faster .. have my regulator all the way to the right and it still is slow as fuck
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17:04<Guest127>well thing is i also am looking for a embroidery digitizing app for linux as well
17:05<Guest127>thanks for the inkscape one i heard about it
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17:05<amphi>Guest127: you could search
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17:05<amphi>Guest127: I've not heard of such an embriodery program
17:05<Guest127>yeah on windows i use wilcom but dunno for linux
17:06<Guest127>see i want to completely leave windows alone
17:06<Guest127>but am stuck with it due to embroidery digitizing
17:07<mogthar>linux wasn't really made for media processing
17:07<dpkg>Remember you can not paste here, use and/or ask me !paste, or if you are stuck in console with no mouse, you can install nopaste: wget && chmod 700 nopaste-1992 && command | nopaste, ruby is required, or the homepage for nopaste is
17:07<Guest127>am currently running knoppix from livecd and am considering migrating permanently to linux
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17:07<Lethalman>i've a problem with openssl on lenny
17:07<Lethalman>i cannot upgrade it
17:08<witte>Lethalman: you have to paste it and submit the resulting url here ;-)
17:08<Guest127>do you reckomend i use debian or which linux for graphic design
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17:08<Lethalman>witte, i know
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17:09<Lethalman>maybe it's a problem of a temporary transaction?
17:09<witte>Guest127: the linux version does not matter, it all supports the same software more or less, but nobody here is going to tell you to use anything else but debian :-)
17:09<Guest127>i unedrstand
17:10<witte>Lethalman: strange, that is something that should have appeared in sid
17:10<witte>Lethalman: if it is really a bug
17:10<Lethalman>witte, i'm finding it in BTS
17:10<witte>can you link me the bug number
17:10<Guest127>well i am keen with debian and would like to know how i can still be able to do embroidery digitizing with it
17:10<Lethalman>i'm still searching witte
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17:10<Guest127>freshmeat returns nothing on emb digitizing
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17:12<amphi>Guest127: perhaps you get to write the program ;)
17:12<Lethalman>witte, i found nothing in the BTS
17:13<witte>Lethalman: well, i have that file installed on my sid system without any problem...
17:14<Lethalman>i'll try to delete the archive
17:14<witte>Lethalman: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/openssl_0.9.8g-12_amd64.deb;apt-get install openssl
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17:15<mogthar>anyone used virtualbox?
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17:17<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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17:18<Lethalman>witte, nothing
17:18<mogthar>yeah, yeah.
17:18<witte>Lethalman: are there any other errors, or only openssl
17:19<Lethalman>only that one
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17:20<witte>Lethalman: try to add an "enter" at the end of "/var/lib/dpkg/info/openssl.list"
17:20<Lethalman>witte, no troubles with dpkg --contents, it displays the files list as well
17:20<Lethalman>witte, ah ok
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17:20<mogthar>networking doesn't seem to be working our-of-the-box for virtualbox. with vmware there was a new interface added to the output of ifconfig: vmnat8 and vmnat1. i don't see anything except eth0 and lo now that i have installed virtualbox. and of course there is no networking on the virtual machine. does this make sense?
17:20<witte>Lethalman: just a stab in the dark, but who knows :-)
17:21<Lethalman>witte, the file is broken
17:21<witte>Lethalman: ah, that's the reason it doesn't work
17:21<Lethalman>witte, lately PC closed unexpectdly (omg) and the upgrade exited
17:22<Lethalman>10-20 packages at least so i guess there're other files list broken there
17:22<witte>Lethalman: first try just to remove it, re-download it, if that does not work, a fsck seems to be something to consider
17:22<Lethalman>i guess i've to remove such files for each package?
17:23<witte>Lethalman: i think you can even remove the entire contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info and /var/cache/apt/archives if you think that is needed, but try to do one by one, maybe it is only one file.
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17:23<witte>Lethalman: run update again after doing such things
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17:24<witte>Lethalman: not sure ti is needed, but it wont hurt
17:24<Lethalman>yeah i think it's needed because it's shown some warnings when installing openssl right now
17:24<Lethalman>because it's going to replace it and needs the files list i guess
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17:25<Lethalman>another problem that's not related to this one
17:26<Lethalman>Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message:
17:26<Lethalman> W: invalid date
17:26<bcwells>darn it, using XChat on etch, I just clicked the "hide menubar" option by accident and dismissed the dialog explaining how to get it back before reading it. anyone know how to get it back?
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17:26<witte>Lethalman: do you use ntpd
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17:27<Lethalman>witte, no
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17:27<Lethalman>i'd have yes
17:27<witte>Lethalman: probably your hardware clock is just wrong
17:27<Lethalman>ntpd will fix it?
17:28<witte>Lethalman: it will automatically synchronize with ntp servers over the net
17:28<dpkg>hmm... ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See or for more information.
17:28<Lethalman>yes i know
17:28<witte>it is ntp, not ntpd :-)
17:28<Lethalman>well yes i was wondering why i needed a server for that :)
17:29<witte>it was ntp or ntpdate, not something halfway :P
17:29<Lethalman>there's also ntpdate
17:29<Lethalman>but i guess ntpdate is not a server, it's only a one-shot client
17:30<Lethalman>If the full NTP daemon from the package "ntp" is installed, then
17:30<Lethalman> ntpdate is not necessary.
17:30<witte>yeah, was completely my fault, both are clients, connecting the to the server
17:30<witte>ntpdate is the old one
17:30<dpkg>ntpdate is, like, a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp.
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17:31<witte>in any case, check if your date is correct, if it is not, that the cause, if it is, well, i don't know what the real cause for your error is
17:32<Guile>Hi to everyone.
17:32<Lethalman>omg after months now i see i've the America/Chicago timezone rotfl
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17:32<witte>Lethalman: and you don't live there?
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17:33<Guile>I just have started my new OS (It's new for me) And I wanna now if someone can help me to find a free WebBrowser that support https.
17:33<plugwash>does anyone know if any drafts of the lenny release notes are availible yet?
17:34<witte>Guile: iceweasel
17:34<newsense>yeah iceweasel
17:34<Guile>Let me C, thanks in advance. I will tell you in a few minutes.
17:34<witte>Guile: konqueror would be a nice alternative
17:34<Guile>Thanks to u both.
17:35<Guile>Mi OS is a GNU hurd 0.3 GNU-Mach 1.3.99/Hurd-0.3 i686-AT386 GNU
17:35<Guile>And I'm affraid that posix implementation are not complete, so KDE or GNOME does not run properly.
17:35<witte>Guile: you know you are on a debian channel?
17:35<dpkg>hurd is, like, a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on
17:35<Guile>Yes, I have a Debian Hurd.
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17:36<Guile>Debian is the distributor of my GNU OS.
17:36<witte>Guile: probably you can best ask questions in the hurd channel as i dont think the debian hurd platform is already fully working
17:36<witte>Guile: or at least fully compatible with the rest of debian
17:37<witte>Guile: why hurd? a bit masochistic? :-)
17:37<Guile>Allright Witte, Thank you very much...
17:38<Guile>He he he, no, witte, I'm not masochistic! I'm just a C/C++ Developer,
17:38<Guile>And I'm one who are in love with GNU OS's.
17:38<Guile>And in love with GNU philosophy,
17:38<bcwells>guess I'll just have to try reinstalling XChat (and reading the messages next time!)
17:38<witte>Guile: well, good luck with it
17:38<amphi>Guile: #hurd on freenode perhaps
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17:39<witte>bcwells: that most likely wont help
17:39<Guile>All right, thanks to all of you. I will go to hurd channel right now.
17:39<Guile>Bye bye
17:39<bcwells>witte: even if I say to delete the config files?
17:39<witte>as it wont delete the ~/.Xchat (or something like that) directory where you have your config files
17:40<bcwells>witte: so i'll delete that then
17:40<witte>bcwells: there must be an option to put it back on, but in worst case, look in your home directory for the config files (probably a hidden directory) and remove it, afterwards you'll start with default settings
17:40<bcwells>okay, thanks
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17:41<newsense>xchat any better than kvirc in your opinion
17:41<witte>newsense: i use rcirc (in emacs), so i have no opinion on that :-)
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17:43<amphi>witte: heh
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17:45<bcwells>it worked, thank again.
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17:46<witte>bcwells: you are welcome
17:47<mogthar>can anyone assist me with getting virtualbox networking working? there does not seem to be an active ethernet interface for virtualbox
17:47<bcwells>i'll hang around for a bit, see if i can help with anything
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17:48<bcwells>mogthar, wish i knew enough about that to help, but i don't
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17:48<mogthar>with vmware i remember there was an entry for vmnet1 and vmnet8 in the output of ifconfig. that represented the virutal nat interface
17:49<mogthar>there doesn't seem to be anything like it for virtualbox
17:49<mogthar>when i run dhclient from inside the virtual machine it does not seem to be contacting a dhcp server. is this something i need to set up by hand?
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17:51<witte>mogthar: maybe ask at the #vbox channel
17:51<dpkg>somebody said virtualbox was a virtual machine solution. Check out the website, or #vbox on
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17:51<mogthar>yeah. just found it.
17:51<mogthar>the channel that is. not the answer
17:52<mogthar>thx, though
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17:52<Lethalman>heeelp with tex :(
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17:54<witte>Lethalman: what a mess
17:54<Lethalman>yeah :(
17:54<Lethalman>today bad day for upgrades :)
17:54<sejje>is /boot/grub/menu.lst the "grub.conf" i'm looking for?
17:54<Lethalman>witte, in the while i've changed the timezone and installed ntp, now the date should work
17:55<witte>!package database repair
17:55<dpkg>i guess package database repair is
17:55<witte>Lethalman: try that, i can't promise anything, but it could be a start
17:56<Lethalman>witte, but i can install other packages... it's a problem specifically with tex
17:56<witte>Lethalman: on lenny? i'll check
17:56<aFlag>sejje: dunno what you're looking for
17:57<sejje>aFlag: i'm updating kernel and want to make sure it appears in the boot menu---it appears, though, that it's already been updated. is that standard?
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17:58<witte>Lethalman: those are the files that are installed on my lenny box...
17:58<aFlag>when you update the kernel it usually updates the grub so it will show up (along with other kernels you may have around)
17:58<witte>Lethalman: progress?
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17:59<sejje>aFlag: yeah, it did. thanks. i'll try the reboot...
17:59<aFlag>but sure, if you want to change that configuration you can update /boot/grub/menu.lst
17:59<Lethalman>witte, i'm trying to do something before running that foreign strange script
17:59<bcwells>sejje, yes, when the kernel is updated the menu gets updated too. there's a section of that file that is maintained by dpkg.
17:59<sejje>bcwells: ty sir
17:59<sejje>brb, i hope.
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18:00<dpkg>i guess dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
18:01<Lethalman>mh how do i completely remove a package with dpkg?
18:01<Lethalman>dpkg --purge package?
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18:01<witte>Lethalman: yes
18:01<dpkg>methinks purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files
18:01<Lethalman>only --purge? no other suggested options?
18:01<witte>Lethalman: i am not sure what you mean, but "man dpkg" will show you all the options
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18:02<Lethalman>ehm yes
18:02<gokorn>i downloaded film with torrent and in windows you extract it with winzip how to extract it here in linux? i have like 20 files
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18:03<bcwells>wb sejje
18:03<sejje>well, yeah, i screwed something up ;\
18:04<sejje>it wouldn't mount the file system, had some "kernel panic" there
18:04<witte>Lethalman: if i were you, i would first try to do "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/tex-common_1.11.2_all.deb"
18:04<bcwells>eesh. sorry to hear that, sejje
18:04<aFlag>are you compiling your own kernel?
18:04<sejje>well, it's not all bad, at least the previous one still worked
18:04<sejje>yeah, i don't know the easier way--if it exists.
18:04<aFlag>why are you doing it?
18:05<sejje>on the off chance that it's going to fix my wireless adapter
18:05<sejje>witte was helping me earlier and said i shoudl try that
18:05<sejje>and i admittedly saw some documentation specifically about the .24 kernel in my quest to get that fixed
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18:06<aFlag>did you copy the /boot/config-2.6.18 to your .config and compiled with that?
18:06<sejje>anyway, i didn't really edit any options in it, i used the preconfigured deal (from the last previous kernel)
18:06<witte>sejje: i certainly did not say you should compile your own kernel
18:06<sejje>witte: agreed, sir
18:06<witte>I said you you should try one from etchnhalf
18:07<witte>just change your sources.list, and aptitude update;aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-...
18:07<sejje>witte: yeah, i just didn't know if i was going to be reinstalling the whole system or what--that's the only option i could see
18:07<sejje>that sounds better
18:08<sejje>do i need to update to testing or what?
18:09<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
18:09<sejje>i'm sure i've read that before, sry for being a dunce. ty again.
18:09<witte>sejje: take the last link (the wiki) and take the first faq question
18:09<witte>add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
18:10<witte>that page is even better
18:11<witte>sejje: do you understand what is written there?
18:12<aFlag>anyway, you might just be missing a initrd entry on your newly compiled kernel
18:12<sejje>witte: yeah, so far
18:12<Bruce>good evening
18:12<sejje>aFlag: i think that's probably the case, but i'm all for apt-getting it
18:12<Bruce>my debian box wont respond to mouse or keyboard after i go into the GUI
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18:13<Lethalman>witte, it seems to work, though i get lots of warnings because i removed the whole contents of dpkg/info
18:13<witte>Bruce: ctrl-alt-f1, log in as root, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:14<Bruce>wont respond to keyboard neither, but i do have ssh access as root
18:14<Bruce>from another puter
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18:14<witte>Bruce: right, of course (stupid me) but the dpkg-reconfigure thing remains
18:15<Bruce>ok.. thanks going to give it a try witte
18:16<sejje>witte: is it common to remove packages when upgrading?
18:16<Bruce>i get this witte : Package `x-server-xorg' is not installed
18:16<witte>not really, but it can happen. which ones are being removed
18:17<Bruce>and no info available
18:17<bcwells>Bruce: it's xserver, not x-server
18:17<witte>Bruce: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:17<Bruce>ahh sorry
18:17<sejje>witte: a whole slew, 501mb worth. mostly lib* stuff, says they're unused
18:17<witte>sejje: upload the whole output to a pastebin
18:17<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
18:18<sejje>actually, i might be using the wrong package name anyway, hold...
18:19<Bruce>that worked witte thanks.. going to set it up and see how that goes
18:20<witte>Bruce: you need to restart kdm or whatever before you can see if it worked
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18:20<witte>Bruce: /etc/init.d/{w,g,k,x}dm restart
18:21<witte>Bruce: of course only one of the 4 will be needed ;-)
18:21<Bruce>a blue screen came up and i have to answer all those question
18:21<Bruce>sorry, very new to linux
18:21<bcwells>witte: shell expansion on Linux is so cool! :)
18:21<witte>Bruce: yeah, that is in the reconfigure stuff, first you have to go through that one
18:21<witte>Bruce: in case of doubt, choose the default value
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18:24<sejje>witte: check this, see what you think:
18:24<witte>sejje: that is the one you made
18:25<witte>sejje: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.24
18:25<sejje>witte: okay, i thought maybe so. should i reinstall that?
18:25<witte>it should show more than one, and other ones that this one (probably you need 2.6.24-2-686 or so)
18:25<witte>no, you want the debian one
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18:26<sejje>witte: should i remove the other one?
18:26<witte>sejje: you can if you want, it does not boot, no reason to keep it
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18:27<sejje>linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 look right?
18:27<witte>sejje: yeah, looks great
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18:28<sejje>okay, not removing anything, so i'll take that as a good sign ;)
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18:29<sejje>that server's really ramming it down my throat, i'm impressed. highest downstream i've seen. (88kB/s, which is great up here in the woods)
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18:29<brad>hooray -- hauppauge hvr-1600 is sorta working!
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18:29<brad>lenny with 2.6.26 amd64
18:30<brad>still can't tune a channel, or get myth working, but raw /dev/video0 is capturing channel 4!
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18:31<brad>sorta congrats, need to tune channels
18:31<sejje>right ;)
18:31<brad>the atsc input is fxcked.
18:31<brad>had to use the analog half
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18:33<sejje>brb part 2!
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18:37<witte>sejje: uname -a
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18:37<sejje>yeah, it's up
18:38<sejje>but now i have to figure out what's up with the ndiswrapper, which i can't modprobe
18:38<sejje>actually though, your thoughts were to install the driver itself, yeah?
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18:38<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, "modprobe rtl8187". All other chipsets or older kernels require driver compilation, see for instructions. Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. <rtl-wifi 2.6.24>
18:38<witte>try that first
18:39<witte>!rtl-wifi 2.6.24
18:39<dpkg>There is currently no rtl-wifi subversion revision which successfully compiles on 2.6.24 (at least WRT i386). See <>. An unofficial revision (rtl818x-mod2.6.24) enables compilation on 2.6.24 kernels, at the expense of RTL8185 support. Acquire the driver via the wireless-2.6 git tree instead, ask me about <wireless tree>.
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18:39<witte>sejje: ignore the last one, try the first one
18:39<sejje>lol, okay
18:40<witte>sejje: just modprobe rtl8187
18:40<witte>if there is no output, it is fine
18:40<sejje>there wasn't output
18:40<witte>check dmesg afterwards (dmesg |tail)
18:40<sejje>but i'm so clueless, i forget what to do to map it to wlan0 or whatever
18:41<sejje>usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187
18:41<sejje>that's good, yeah?
18:41<witte>sejje: the driver should do that
18:41<witte>yea, upload it all to a pastebin
18:41<sejje>that was the only relevant line
18:41<sejje>i think.
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18:46<witte>sejje: mmm,i would have expected more
18:46<sejje>well, ifup wlan0 errored
18:46<witte>sejje: what does ifconfig -a give
18:47<sejje>looks like the same as ifconfig gave
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18:48<mogthar>can i upgrade to lenny, but keep the 2.6.18 kernel?
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18:48<witte>sejje: in that case, maybe you should again try ndiswrapper
18:48<witte>i'm sorry , i thought this would help
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18:48<witte>but it is getting late here...
18:48<sejje>alright--i might also try rtl8187b, which had some .24-specific directions
18:48<dpkg>hmm... ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
18:48<Lethalman>witte, i still get invalid date
18:49<sejje>witte: even not working, you da man!
18:49<themill>mogthar: not recommended, especially if you want acpi battery support etc, the user-space interfaces for which have changed between etch and lenny
18:49<witte>sejje: :-)
18:49<witte>Lethalman: no idea why
18:50<witte>Lethalman: does apt-listbugs also have an update function?
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18:50<Lethalman>witte, what you mean?
18:51<witte>Lethalman: something like apt-listbugs update or so (like apt-get update or apt-file update)
18:51<witte>Lethalman: but it seems it doesn't :-)
18:51<abrotman>apt-listbugs queries online
18:52<witte>abrotman: yeah i would suspect the same, but Lethalman gets a wrong date error when using it
18:52<themill>we've been seeing these apt-listbugs errors a lot recently but I've not seen the resolution
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18:52<abrotman>witte: did he check his date? :)
18:52<Lethalman>abrotman, how?
18:52<abrotman>uh .. 'date' ?
18:52<witte>abrotman: yes, it was incorrect in the beginning :-) (wrong timezone) but now it should be ok
18:52<Lethalman>Mon Aug 4 00:52:52 CEST 2008
18:53<abrotman>ACK... MONDAY!!!
18:53<Lethalman>how do i check if i installed the right timezone?
18:53<Lethalman>if i installed it the right way?
18:53<abrotman>are you in rome timezone ?
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18:54<qq> cat /etc/timezone
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18:54<Lethalman>qq, that's the only file to update?
18:54<abrotman>there are more
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18:54<abrotman>but that will at least say if you got the TZ right
18:54<witte>Lethalman: that is the same as date gives on my pc :(
18:54<sejje>sebash: ./makedrv: Permission denied
18:54<sejje>(as root)
18:55<mogthar>themill: i'd like to upgrade to a more recent kernel, but it breaks compatibility with my nvidia non-free driver.
18:55<themill>!dbugs 493632
18:55<mogthar>...because of xen
18:55<dpkg>#493632:N[apt-listbugs] apt-listbugs: "invalid date" error on texlive-latex-base; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:09:02 UTC
18:55<qq>witte: Mon Aug 4 00:53:15 CEST 2008
18:55<sejje>sry, i chmoded it
18:56<themill>mogthar: yay... nfc what you need to do then. Fix xen, fix nvidia or us nv, I guess :) But nvidia for lenny is possible: /msg dpkg nvidia lenny
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18:58<Lethalman>i used tzselect
18:58<sejje>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/build: No such file or directory. --am I missing a package?
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18:58<witte>sejje: the linux-headers for that package
18:59<witte>sejje: how are you installing what
18:59<Lethalman>then dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
18:59<Lethalman>cat /etc/timezone shows Europe/Rome
18:59<sejje>it's a tar.gz that i have to make and then insmod
18:59<sejje>it's a rtl8187b driver modified for 2.6.24
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19:00<sejje> from there
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19:00<witte>Lethalman: check what themill mentioned, probably a fault of the apt-listbugs program
19:00<witte>Lethalman: how are your other problems progressing?
19:00<Bruce>uhmm ok did the reconfigure xserver but didn't work
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19:00<Bruce>it seem to freezes whenever i open up any application
19:00<Lethalman>witte, dpkg -i tex-common*.deb gives error on --install
19:00<Lethalman>and then all other tex packages can't be installed
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19:01<Bruce>how do i shutdown the gui from ssh?
19:01<Bruce>i did 'ps x' but dont recognize what process
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19:02<Lethalman>Bruce, maybe /etc/init.d/gdm stop of you're using gdm (gnome)
19:02<witte>Lethalman: set an "set -x" on the second line of the file in /var/lib/dpkg/info/tex-common* that gives the error
19:02<witte>Lethalman: then try again
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19:02<Lethalman>witte, i'm sorry i haven't understood :(
19:03<abrotman>Bruce: do you use gdm/kdm/etc ?
19:03<Bruce>Lethalman it stopped, but i still see the gui
19:03<Bruce>gdm, i think
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19:04<abrotman>Bruce: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
19:04<Bruce>it stopped, but i still see the gui on the screen
19:04<abrotman>Bruce: does the GUI still work ?
19:04<Bruce>i did it as user got permission denied, then i did it as root
19:04<Bruce>yes abrotman
19:04<witte>Lethalman: $editor /var/lib/dpkg/info/tex-common.postinst
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19:05<abrotman>Bruce: killall X
19:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:05<Lethalman>witte, ok
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19:05<Bruce>i get this: X: no process killed
19:05<Lethalman>witte, then?
19:05<witte>Lethalman: on the second line, after the #!/bin/sh -e, you put set -x
19:06<Lethalman>aah ok
19:06<witte>that should give you more output when doing it, so you can see where it fails
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19:06<sejje>insmod: error inserting 'r8187.ko': -1 File exists
19:07<sejje>ERROR: Module r8187 does not exist in /proc/modules
19:07<sejje>the error is on rmmod---what the heck?
19:07<Lethalman>witte, no info shown
19:07*witte wonders if it really was set -x
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19:08*Lethalman wonders if dpkg reaches postinst :)
19:08<witte>subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
19:08<witte>Lethalman: it does
19:08<Lethalman>ah yes
19:08<Lethalman>but it's set -x just after that line
19:08<witte>yeah, not commented
19:09<witte>i believe
19:09<Lethalman>of course
19:09<witte>i don't have to do that too much myself, so i wonder if it is correct syntax, but it is something like that :-)
19:10<witte>Lethalman: or maybe it is only bash and not /bin/sh
19:10<Lethalman>witte, what to do after i modify the .postinst file?
19:10<witte>Lethalman: nevermind that last remark, they are linked on debian
19:11<mogthar>yes nvidia for lenny is impossible,
19:11<witte>Lethalman: save the file, and do the dpkg -i tex-common... again
19:11<Lethalman>witte, it's replaced
19:11<mogthar>* i haven't had any luck getting nvidia 3d non-free drivers to work with 2.6.25
19:11<themill>mogthar: shouldn't be... I see dozens of people each day coming in here and compiling it successfully.
19:11<witte>Lethalman: what do you mean
19:12<Lethalman>witte, it's replaced by the installation
19:12<witte>Lethalman: ok, i see
19:14<witte>Lethalman: can you put the set -x back and run the file by had
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19:15<sejje>witte: do you think i might have to disable this, to insmod the new one?
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19:15<sejje> /lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl8187.ko
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19:16<witte>sejje: you can try just to rmmod that one first
19:16<witte>Lethalman: that's it?
19:16<Lethalman>witte, yes
19:16<witte>does not give an error
19:17<sejje>witte: well, i tried that and then put my new one, but now the original shows up in modprobe again. either way, it didn't work out, so. maybe i'll look at ndis again
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19:18<sejje>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
19:18<sejje>but i'm getting that^ module-assistant?
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19:18<Lethalman>witte, what's next?
19:18<Lethalman>tex-common is installed by dpkg -s
19:18<Lethalman>oh well half-configured
19:19<witte>Lethalman: it is?
19:19<Lethalman>install ok half-configured
19:19<witte>ah, well, half configured is that postinst is not done correctly
19:19<witte>i think
19:19<Lethalman>sigh :(
19:20<witte>Lethalman: try again, but this time run teh file with option configure
19:20<witte>tex-common.postinst configure
19:20<Lethalman>no errors $? is 0
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19:20<Lethalman>no $? is 10
19:20<witte>if that does not work, purge all your tex stuff and reinstall them
19:20<witte>ah, that is the same as before
19:21<witte>did you put the set -x
19:23<bcwells>time to eat, later all.
19:23<bcwells>thanks again witte
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19:24<witte>Lethalman: sorry, don't see it. also don't find which error "error 10" actually is...
19:24<witte>maybe just purge tex-common
19:24<witte>and reinstall it
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19:25<Lethalman>oh nice
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19:26<Lethalman>error 10 with dpkg --purge
19:26<witte>Lethalman: you have to admit, it is consistent
19:26<Lethalman>ahah :(
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19:26<Lethalman>witte, it's consistent, anyway --remove works
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19:26<Lethalman>but again, after that, --purge -a doesn't work and i'm afraid
19:27<witte>Lethalman: probably there is just one file it needs that is not correct or something like that
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19:27<witte>Lethalman: yeah, it looks like there will be more persistence coming up
19:28<Lethalman>aptitude gave me another choice, to remove all tex* stuff
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19:28<Lethalman>but there's no tex-common in there
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19:29<witte>Lethalman: you just removed it
19:29<Lethalman>oh yes
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19:30<Bruce>witte i reconfigure the gui but it crashes after i open any application within 8 seconds
19:30<Bruce>then it wont respond to mouse or keyboard
19:31<witte>Bruce: so not direct?
19:31<Bruce>i can access thru ssh only
19:31<Bruce>but i can move mouse but unable to click
19:31<witte>Bruce: can you upload the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin?
19:31<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
19:31<Bruce>where do i get the file to paste?
19:32<witte>Bruce: using ssh
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19:32<Bruce>in what directory is it in?
19:32<witte>Bruce: /var/log
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19:33<Bruce>i see the logs in there, which one is it?
19:34<Lethalman>there's no way to force this package to go away???
19:34<Lethalman>--force-all does nothing
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19:35<witte>i find it very strange, the tex packages are normally of very good quality, and i have the same ones installed on my server which is also lenny...
19:36<Lethalman>witte, i guess something has gone wrong when i cleared the info dir
19:36<mindqaugas>how to build web server with debian ?
19:36<Lethalman>i was going to dist-upgrade when i've done that
19:36<Lethalman>(i always do dist-upgrade even i'm already on lenny)
19:37<witte>Lethalman: try to do that first now, can't hurt
19:37<witte>the dist-upgrade
19:37<witte>maybe some extra packages are needed?
19:37<Lethalman>ah yes
19:37<witte>or do dpkg-reconfigure -a
19:37<witte>which will take some tiem
19:38<witte>sigh, it is late
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19:38<dpkg>from memory, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server (or see or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql ; a2enmod php5"
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19:38<witte>mindqaugas: ^^
19:38<Lethalman>witte, dist-upgrade has done nothing
19:38<Lethalman>i'll do dpkg-reconfigure -a
19:39<Lethalman>anyway no texlive for the moment, i've to reinstall everything
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19:39<Lethalman>need a good script for aptitude reinstall
19:40<witte>Lethalman: could also be dpkg --configure -a
19:40<witte>i doubt which one it wass
19:40<Lethalman>witte, no it gives the usual error :)
19:41<Lethalman>dpkg --configure -a is for pending packages, so tex-common
19:41<Lethalman>while dpkg-reconfigure -a will reconfigure all installed packages
19:41<witte>Lethalman: yeah, i knew both exist, and that they do more or less the same, but not entirely
19:41<witte>Lethalman: you should try to find out which apt command fills /var/lib/dpkg/info
19:42<Lethalman>witte, aptitude reinstall :)
19:42<Bruce>witte :
19:42<Lethalman>witte, i'm afraid of running that rebuild-database script, reinstall works correctly to fill those files
19:43<Lethalman>witte, for what concerns tex-common, i think it's worth deleting all files manually shown by dpkg --contents
19:43<witte>Lethalman: the rebuild thing is a last resort, if you have other options (such as ask tomorrow when there is maybe a more knowledgeable person than me available) you should do that
19:43<witte>Lethalman: don't think you can do to much wrong with that, it is no vital package
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19:44<Lethalman>witte, i'm writing documents in latex and texinfo :)
19:44<test12>hi all
19:45<test12>im on knoppix5.3 i cant get wireless to work any ideas?
19:45<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
19:45<Lethalman>witte, i guess the other option is to ask someone to send me a tar with /var/lib/dpkg/info having debian amd64 lenny/unstable with the same package versions :P
19:45<witte>Lethalman: i have that for unstable, not for lenny...
19:46<Lethalman>np i'll reinstall all packages
19:46<Lethalman>the night is good for that
19:46<test12>can some one help me with this i need wireless to work but dont know how
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19:46<Lethalman>witte, thanks very much for your help i really appreciated it
19:47<witte>you're welcome, sorry i couldn't be of more use :-)
19:48<witte>Bruce: the only error i see is: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
19:48<Bruce>what do i do ?
19:48<test12>is there a knoppix room then?
19:48<witte>Bruce: can you upload the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
19:49<witte>test12: did you read what dpkg told? there is one at freenodes (called #knoppix)
19:49<test12>ok sorry i missed it
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19:52<witte>Bruce: you could try to edit that file with an editor (nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf) and put a # before lines 39, 118, 119 and 120
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19:53<Bruce>ok witte i can do it in vim
19:53<witte>Bruce: if you like vim, be my guest, i don't care what you use
19:53<witte>(although emacs is better :P)
19:53<Bruce>its the only i know somewhat how to use.. lol
19:53<witte>nano is the easiest one i think
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19:54<witte>it is like notepad
19:54<witte>very limited, but very difficult to do something wrong
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19:56<brad>got it working!@
19:56<Bruce>ok witte done
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19:56<witte>Bruce: save and restart x
19:56<Bruce>edit line 39, 118,119,120
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19:57<Lethalman>how do i remove blank lines from a file with sed?
19:57<Lethalman>i don't remember
19:57<cockroach>s/^$// ?
19:57<Bruce>do i have to reboot the computer to restart?
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19:57<witte>Bruce: /etc/init.d/gdm restart should do the trick
19:57<Lethalman>cockroach, not really that wouldn't remove the line
19:57<cockroach>oh, indeed.
19:58<abrotman>s/^\\n//g ?
19:58<Lethalman>abrotman, sed works per line no \n there
19:58<cockroach>something like /^$/d ? (i need to check the man page)
19:58<themill>grep -v "^$"
19:58<Lethalman>there's a command called N or such
19:58<Lethalman>in sed
19:58<Lethalman>to skip one line
19:58<sejje>witte: what happened to bedtime? :p
19:58<fluor>hey there - I just installed kvm from kvm-source, and I'm attempting to use the d-i in a qcow image - everything works fine til I get to partman; it formats the partition as ext3, then pauses for a bit, and exits saying it couldn't mount / - any idea?
19:58<themill>s '/^$/d'
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19:59<witte>sejje: i know, i have a meeting in 7 hours :(
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19:59<abrotman>Lethalman: try it
19:59<sejje>witte: you're a good man IMO
19:59<cockroach>yep, "sed /^$/d" works
19:59<Lethalman>abrotman, doesn't work and won't work
19:59<sejje>witte: or a total nerd
19:59<witte>sejje: an idiot if you ask me
19:59<sejje>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
19:59<Lethalman>cockroach, cool :) thanks
19:59<sejje>what to do?
19:59<cockroach>you're welcome
20:00<witte>!ndiswrapper one-liner
20:00<dpkg>somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
20:00<Lethalman>i've to reinstall then 1532 packages rotfl
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20:00<sejje>witte: ty, funny thing is i had ndis working fine before kernel upgrade
20:00<sejje>witte: actually, it's working now, i just can't modprobe it.
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20:01<Bruce>reboot it witte
20:01<Bruce>i dont even got a login screen now
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20:02<witte>Bruce: upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file again
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20:05<witte>Bruce: your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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20:06<witte>Bruce: and you did not change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it is the same as it was before?
20:06<Bruce>uhmm i see that.. 1 sec let me do the thing again pls
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20:14<Bruce>i did edited correctly, just that scp didn't do it right
20:15<Bruce>winscp sux in that
20:15<witte>same error
20:15<witte>i find that strange, but i am really too tired to help you any furter...
20:15<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
20:16<Bruce> here is the conf
20:16<witte>if you do that, you get the same config that you had before (or manually remove the #, probably someone else here can help you furterh, it should be easy to solve but my brain is stuck :-)
20:16<Bruce>ok witte thanks tho.. np i understand
20:17<witte>Bruce: the config is as i intended
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20:17<witte>Bruce: one moment, is the card rather new?
20:17<Bruce>yeah somewhat like a year old
20:18<Bruce>it came with the computer and it worked before i did updates
20:18<Bruce>i have 663 that didn't update
20:18<Bruce>when i typed apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
20:18<witte>Bruce: what happens if you do dist-upgrade
20:19<Bruce>i dunno. should i do that?
20:19<witte>Bruce: what is in your sources.list? stable or etch?
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20:19<Bruce>i just tried to read but i dont understand the overall structure or what to do
20:19<witte>did you alter /etc/apt/sources.list?
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20:19<Bruce>i have testing main sarge in the sources.list
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20:20<abrotman>uh what?
20:20<witte>Bruce: can you upload that file to a pastbin
20:20<witte>because that does not sound very good
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20:20<Bruce>the sources.list?
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20:23<witte>Bruce: you have testing?
20:23<witte>but it looks like your xserver-xorg is stable
20:23<witte>Bruce: so you need an dist-upgrade
20:24<witte>dpkg: etch->lenny
20:24<Bruce>how i do that?
20:24<witte>dpkg: stable->testing
20:24<witte>dpkg: ping
20:24<themill>witte are you on ignore?
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20:24<themill>dpkg: ping
20:24<witte>themill: i think so
20:25<abrotman>dpkg: wake up
20:25<witte>themill: hah, you as well :P
20:25<abrotman>he's fine on fn
20:25<themill>fine in a /msg too
20:26<themill>One or more of those entries in the sources.list needs to be uncommented too
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20:26<Bruce>hey witte but i have testing, it doest say stable or etch in the sources.list
20:27<Bruce>i read that last nite, but didn't know about 'testing'word on there
20:27<witte>Bruce: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say
20:28<witte>Bruce: the xorg.conf you made with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is one that belongs to etch, in lenny it is completely different i think
20:28<witte>Bruce: oh, ok, still do the aptitude dist-upgrade
20:28<Bruce>with what command?
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20:29<Bruce>ok got it
20:29<Bruce>resolving dependencies.. whatever that
20:30<Bruce>conflict 15
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20:31<Bruce>its says 'no solution within the alooted time. Try harder ? [y/n]
20:31<Bruce>i clicked yes
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20:34<Bruce>No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]n
20:34<Bruce>Abandoning all efforts to resolve these dependencies.
20:34<Bruce>i tried it 4 times
20:35<witte>Bruce: somehow you f#@ked up your system really hard, try to do the stuff according to the url i gave before, it wont be easy...
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20:35<witte>good luck ;-)
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20:58<cockroach>hrm, i need some entertainment. anyone aware of entertaining irc games? :)
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21:00<abrotman>there's #trivia on freenode .. not sure if oftc has it
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21:01<cockroach>it doesn't, but i'm also on freenode. thanks!
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21:11<ben_goodger>abrotman: #trivia is entertaining now?
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21:11<cockroach>well, it's more entertaining that watching people join/leave #debian...
21:12<abrotman>ben_goodger: depends on your desires i suppose
21:12<ben_goodger>this is true, but so is, e.g., reading a book, or writing a book
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21:13<cockroach>indeed, but that's not an option right now (neither)
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21:14<ben_goodger>we could place bets on the next person to leave, I suppose
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21:14<ben_goodger>though that's not really fair, since we have access to statistical information on it
21:15<ben_goodger>makov ftw
21:15<cockroach>also, people might just leave in order to make one of us win.
21:15<cockroach>i say it's cockroach
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21:15<cockroach>hah, i was right
21:15<ben_goodger>I think you'd be disqualified from betting on yourself
21:15<ben_goodger>it's a little too predictable
21:16<cockroach>damn rules everywhere... :)
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21:23<cockroach>woo, i'm winning in #trivia. might be related to the fact that i'm the only one playing, though.
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22:10<qq>!wb dpkg
22:10<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned!
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22:11<dpkg>methinks deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC> stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed.
22:13<qq>!tell qq env
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22:34<dpkg>i guess ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
22:34<sejje>!ndiswrapper one-liner
22:34<dpkg>[ndiswrapper one-liner] aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
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22:35<sejje>this better not fsck my system again. i tried it earlier and it totally botched everything.
22:35<lontra>ndiswrapper works fine here
22:35<sejje>nah, the aptitude line did it
22:36<lontra>nope that worked fine here too
22:36<sejje>it said it needed to uninstall 501mb of "unused" stuff
22:36<sejje>i believe you, i'm just saying
22:36<sejje>that's why i'm willing to try it again
22:36<lontra>i see ... that sounds like another issue
22:36<sejje>it uninstalled stuff like sudo, among other things
22:36<lontra>don't use aptitude then use apt-get
22:36<sejje>and dropped down my internet
22:36<sejje>well, this is a fresh install, so i'm crossing my fingers.
22:37<lontra>good luck ;)
22:37<sejje>also i had done some funk to the kernel, this time i just got the right kernel the first time.
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22:38<lontra>viva viagra is so ridiculous
22:39<sejje>hrm, as before
22:39<sejje>i get "build of the package ndiswrapper-source failed"
22:39<ravi>Hi, when I am playing any music, even small activities like swtiching tabs(iceweasel, gnome-terminal) causes interruption in audio... this is on Debian Sid
22:39<sejje>using aptitude
22:39<lontra>sejje: yup just hit enter and get that
22:39<lontra>it'll install ndiswrapper-utils or something like that
22:39<sejje>and "get" that?
22:39<ravi>any solution? I have 256 MB of RAM
22:39<sejje>just "skip"?
22:39<lontra>hit 'yes'
22:39<lontra>i think ...
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22:41<ravi>even switching from terminal to browser causes pause in audio, is it due to lack of memory?
22:42<sejje>what's the argument on ndiswrapper to force it to a certain device?
22:42<lontra>ndiswrapper -i *.inf
22:43<sejje>-d 0bda:8197 didn't work
22:43<ravi>how often does updatedb update?
22:43<lontra>ndiswrapper -i foo.inf i guess ... not *.inf :)
22:43<lontra>then ndiswrapper -l ... should show it ... then ndiswrapper -m .. .modprobe ndiswrapper and you should be good to go
22:44<sejje>yeah, but it's not attached to the hardware
22:44<sejje>it installed the .inf though
22:44<lotus>how do i change the X keymap again?
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22:44<lontra>sejje: do you have the right driver? what's the card?
22:44<ravi>lotus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
22:44<sejje>realtek POS, it's a real pain
22:44<sejje>this is about my 15th hour of trying to get it working
22:44<timmy_boy>ravi: I have 256MB memory as well. Gnome and KDE are not installed, just a smaller window manager.
22:45<sejje>anyway, one minute
22:45<lontra>sejje: does ndiswrapper -l show it?
22:45<sejje>it only shows the driver, not the device
22:45<lotus>ravi, o yes thankx
22:45<ravi>timmy_boy: I switched to XFCE4 for that reason
22:45<lontra>modprobe ndiswrapper?
22:45<sejje>about to
22:45<sejje>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
22:45<sejje>was doing that before my fresh install, too.
22:46<lontra>but ndiswrapper -i works?
22:46<sejje>it didn't error
22:47<lontra>hmm ... maybe you have the work the driver
22:47<lontra>er ... wrong driver
22:47<sejje>yeah, it's certainly possible
22:47<lontra>what's lspci show?
22:47<sejje>i'm just following one of the 12124124 different guides on the net for my card
22:47<sejje>all of which are different
22:47<sejje>it's in lsusb
22:47<sejje>have that memorized ;p
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22:48<lontra>what model of realtek?
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22:48<sejje>that's the device ID, it doesn't name it in the lsusb
22:48<sejje>just says realtek semiconductors corp
22:49<sejje>it's the 8197 line or something, i guess.
22:49<lontra>hmm ... i don't know then ... without knowing the specific realtek cards it hard too know
22:50<lontra>here's my how-to w/ a dell 1390 wlan ->
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22:51<diego__>hi, is it possible to allow only one user for sshd
22:51<diego__>I have PermitRootLogin no , but that allows every other user
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22:52<gsimmons>diego__: See "AllowUsers" in sshd_config(5).
22:52<diego__>gsimmons: thx
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23:09<sejje>anyone knwo why ndiswrapper-source won't seem to work with 2.6.24?
23:10<qq>who said that ?
23:11<lontra>sejje: it worked fine here
23:11<sejje>no, you told me to click continue and it would move on after erroring, so apparently it didn't work there.
23:12<lontra>if you read what it says afterwards it does actual build and work
23:13<sejje>mine doesn't.
23:13<sejje>│ make[1]: *** [binary-modules] Error 2
23:13<sejje>and make: *** [kdist_build] Error 2
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23:14<sejje>there's some others as well.
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23:14<lontra>you could grab an ndiswrapper tarball from the internet and w/ build-essentials installed you should be able to roll your own very easily
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23:15<lontra>just need make, gcc-c++ (i think), and kernel sources ... so build-essentials package ;)
23:15<diego__>hi, I added 'user ALL=/usr/bin/su otheruser' to visudo
23:15<sejje>okay, i have that already
23:15<diego__>but user can 'su' and enter as root if it has the password
23:15<diego__>why ?
23:15<diego__>shouldnt he only be allowed to su as otheruser ?
23:15<lontra>then grabbing a tarball from the internet and building it yourself should work ... make sure to remove previous ndiswrapper installations and the driver
23:17<sejje>when i was removing them, i noticed ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 wasn't installed. is that relevant?
23:17<qq>diego__: man su
23:18<diego__>qq: I know what su does, but shouldnt visudo prevent the user to sudoing to root
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23:20<lontra>sejje: hmm ... maybe ... but you could run ndiswrapper right?
23:21<sejje>yeah, i just couldn't modprobe it
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23:21<sejje>it doesn't matter, i've compiled it now
23:21<Golfgeo>Hi all
23:21<sejje>i got this warning, which is the first time:
23:21<sejje>This is safe _only_ if driver net8185 is meant for chip in device 0BDA:8197
23:21<sejje>can it get fried or anything?
23:21<sejje>cause that would suck the big one.
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23:22<qq>diego__: why , if visudo is in 'user ALL=/usr/bin/su otheruser'
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23:22<Golfgeo>Got a error the last time I tried the latest linux-source-2.6.26 (the dabian way at make-kpkg clean) and am wondering if it is known or perhaps even fixed...
23:23<Golfgeo>I believe it was then in unstable, but perhaps it was in testing...
23:23<qq>diego__: if not needed , exclude him, form this
23:25<lontra>sejje: i have no idea if it would fire it
23:25<lontra>sejje: i would imagine it probably just won't work
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23:29<rodna01>two questions: 1 I have installed lenny and I cannot open the CD - 2 how to make an outomount of a fat32 disk ? - I cannot write on it -
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23:30<sejje>lontra: i played it safe and found this other one that i had seen previously, and i just finished modprobing, and now is the moment of truth
23:30*sejje crosses fingers
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23:30<lontra>good luck
23:31<sejje>it picked up the essid on its own, whoop!
23:31<lontra>nice ;)
23:31<lontra>w/ ndiswrapper from internet?
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23:31<lontra>or from debian
23:31<sejje>tarball compiles
23:31<sejje>your idea, kudos
23:32<lontra>great :)
23:32<sejje>it worked fine, when before it wouldn't i guess because of the -source crashing
23:32<sejje>it's not picking up an IP now, but i guess i can get back to google before i bug you chaps.
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23:32<lontra>dhclient <interface>
23:33<sejje>good call, bam!
23:33<sejje>man, i started this at like 12pm yesterday (10:30pm my time now)
23:34<sejje>lol, later i'll move on to setting up cdrecord and mounting ntfs as rw and my virtual console issues ;)
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23:35<lontra>sejje: well congrats
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23:48<sejje>alright, i'm joining you wirelessly! whoo!
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23:49<sejje>of course, it's going balllls slow
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23:50<snogglethorpe>sejje: all the poor electrons have to walk!
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23:52<sejje>i can't figure if it's a DNS lookup delay or what
23:52<sejje>i don't have the problem when hardwired
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23:54<snogglethorpe>sejje: what does e.g. iptraf say about the througput?
23:56<sejje>well, i'll apt-get it
23:56<sejje>the apt-get got 12k/s (normally runs about 70-80k/s)
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23:58<sejje>snogglethorpe: i dunno, what am i looking for? it's not human-readable IMO
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23:59<snogglethorpe>sejje: there's some detailed statistics page
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