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00:25<Lethalman>is down only for me since hours?
00:27<Niggamortis>just shootin dice gettin nice
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00:27<qq>no, IIRC should work
00:28<Lethalman>qq, but apt-listbugs doesn't know about that one
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00:29<qq>is unofficial
00:30<Lethalman>in fact i didn't know about that
00:30<qq>nor I , i saw this here
00:32<qq>last hours when peoples asked about bts
00:32<gsimmons>Lethalman: WRT apt-listbugs, use -H to specify an alternate Debian BTS hostname.
00:33<blarson> is a development copy and may break randomly. It also isn't sized for much load.
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00:37<tb>does anyone have any information about rietz?
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02:07<rgnr>рш фдд
02:07<rgnr>hi all
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02:13<Patrick>Hello everyone, I want to use text color in Moinmoin Desktop Edition, how can I do that?
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02:21<screenn>I have a question about Debian Linux Router configuration,
02:21<screenn>|dsl wan ppp0|<---->|eth0<--->eth1,eth2|<---->|lan comp1,comp2|
02:22<Zoup>i had like a lot of customers which i need to connection over SSH and provide support to , i need some kind of organizer on this , some app / standard to safe peoples info on , any idea ?
02:22<screenn>what iptables can command provide that?
02:22<jm_>screenn: provide what?
02:23<screenn>see above
02:23<@weasel>screenn: you didn't say anything.
02:23<jm_>that doesn't say anything useful
02:23<@weasel>screenn: and iptables don't provide hardware configs.
02:23<screenn>|dsl wan ppp0|<---->|eth0<--->eth1,eth2|<---->|lan comp1,comp2|
02:23-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
02:24<screenn>I need routing from eth0 to eth1 and eth2 and from eth1 and eth2 to lan
02:24<weasel>just enable routing.
02:24<screenn>how I can do that?
02:24<jm_>that largely depends on your setup, one doesn't need iptables for simple IP forwarding
02:24<weasel>echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
02:24<weasel>I have, however, the weird feeling that you are doing something wrong anyway
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02:25<screenn>I did
02:25<weasel>so that probably won't help you
02:25<jm_>but if you need NAT etc. then read iptables tutorial/nat howto or simply use stuff like ipmasq
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02:26<screenn>you know, I need a nat I think,
02:26<screenn>but I'm not sure
02:27<screenn>I've used wondershaper in my local computers in lan before
02:27<screenn>but now, I want use wondershaper in router
02:27<screenn>it's just a home network
02:28<screenn>wait, I'll show you my configurations
02:30<jm_>yeah it looks like you do
02:32<screenn>I'm trying
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02:34<screenn>weasel If I'll do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward , is it will be save in configurations after reboot?
02:35<weasel>see /etc/sysctl.conf for that
02:35<weasel>your network config is broken.
02:35<weasel>you shouldn't have the same network (192.168.1/24) on two interfaces
02:35<weasel>that will never work the way you think it will
02:35<screenn>I have echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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02:36<Lethalman>screenn, do echo net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 >> /etc/sysctl.conf
02:36<Lethalman>for next reboot
02:37<screenn>sorry, I have configured echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 now , it's ok
02:37<screenn>I did that before
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02:44<LivingSouL>Could someone tell me where is the default path of OpenSSL? 'cause when I compile an ircd, it says checking for OpenSSL... not found. Please check your path.
02:45<weasel>install libssl-dev
02:45<LivingSouL>i see
02:47<screenn>I think I need a simple routing, without firewalling, because I have a firewall in my dsl modem
02:48<screenn>ok, I still here, maybe some of network's Gugu will help me :)
02:49<weasel>Tue 08:35:20 <weasel> your network config is broken.
02:49<weasel>Tue 08:35:33 <weasel> you shouldn't have the same network (192.168.1/24) on two interfaces
02:49<weasel>Tue 08:35:41 <weasel> that will never work the way you think it will
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02:50<LivingSouL>weasel, thanks :)
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03:06<blarson>weasel: Using the same IP on multiple interfaces works fine, if you know what you are doing. (proxy arp and ip route...)
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03:06<weasel>blarson: does screenn strike you as the guy who knows what he's doing?
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03:35<alfred>ctc any1?
03:35<alfred>wats the topic today?
03:35<rgnr>hey ppl
03:36<rgnr>need hlp
03:36<rgnr>cannot install skype
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03:36<rgnr>i have amd64
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03:48<rgnr>hey ppl
03:48<rgnr>any1 alive?
03:50<blarson>!tell rgnr about help
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03:51<rgnr>hey :)
03:51<rgnr>i got amd64
03:52<rgnr>and i wanna install skype
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03:52<rgnr>it gives me wrjbg architecture
03:52<screenn>rgnr dpkg -i skype did you try that?
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03:53<rgnr>dpkg: error processing skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb (--install):
03:53<dpkg>rgnr: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
03:53<rgnr> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
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03:53<tyra>hi all
03:53<tyra>care to chat anyone?
03:53<screenn>tyra heya
03:53<tyra>hellow there screenn
03:54<screenn>rgnr you know, I can't tell you nothing about that, because I use i386 arch
03:54<rgnr>lol damn
03:54<rgnr>any1 hpl with amd64?
03:55<screenn>my skype has been installed without any problems
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03:55<blarson>rgnr: You need the amd64 version, not the i386 version. (if there is one)
03:55<blarson>rgnr: or else install it in an i386 chroot.
03:55<rgnr>blarson: how do i do that
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03:58<blarson>rgnr: I don't know offhand. Look for instructions. ( would be a good place to look.)
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04:14<jmtechy>howdy all
04:14<jmtechy>has evryone got flash working properly on amd64?
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04:15<jmtechy>dpkg -l fluxbox
04:15<dpkg>No packages found matching fluxbox
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04:15<jmtechy>dpkg -l flux
04:15<dpkg>No packages found matching flux
04:16<jmtechy>what the fk no fluxbox for debian????
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04:16<jmtechy>is ubuntu any good?
04:18<themill>!adobe flash
04:18<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
04:19<themill>jmtechy: saying "dpkg -l" in here isn't the same as running it on your own machine. Here dpkg is a bot that does rather different things to dpkg on your machine. /msg dpkg search
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04:21<jmtechy>do i just type /mdg dpkg search then packge name
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04:21<dpkg>fluxbox is probably a forked off <blackbox> and is found at, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information.
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04:22<themill>jmtechy: no, type "/msg dpkg search" for more information on how to search for packages. also "/msg dpkg bot help"
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04:31<Baggy2>I seldom see applications compiled static in Linux, why is this?
04:31<padski>Baggy2, why would you expect to see them more often ?
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04:32<Baggy2>padski: Because there are so many distributions and combinations of libs, if a app was compiled static, it would run on more systems
04:32<Baggy2>an app
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04:33<padski>Baggy2, portaibility on unix is more often acheived through recompilation.
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04:33<padski>Baggy2, but Third-party apps have taken this approach in the past.
04:33<padski>less so these days.
04:34<Baggy2>static apps are faster..
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04:34<padski>its a trade-off
04:34<jm_>Baggy2: they are only faster at startup and even then, developer can help quite a lot with using proper procedures
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04:35<jm_>also - imagine security updates of static built apps when something as bad as the recent openssl bug happens
04:36<Baggy2>jm_: point taken
04:36<Sey>ON etch i have tried to install java using this guide ( ) I have done as it states, replacing iceweasel for firefox as needed, the symbolic link is where it needs to be, except when iceweasel is restarted it doesnt seem to be able to find it. Anyone know if its something ive done wrong, or is iceweasel incompatible? [
04:36<Sey> second application ] Etch, debian, AMD64 gnome.
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04:36<jm_>Sey: there is no JRE plugin for AMD64 ATM
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04:37<Lethalman>Sey, no java plugin on amd64
04:37<Sey>That could explain why i cant make it work then
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04:37<Sey>Hmm, any way to make it think its on a 32bit system nspluginwrapper for flash style?
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04:38<Baggy2>jm_: I guess I'm just a bit annoyed about the fact that none of the toolchains I've tried include the same version of glibc as my target syste, and none of the toolchains include a static version of the pthread library :(
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04:39<jm_>Baggy2: yeah cross compiling can be a pain
04:40<padski>Sey, not sure. IcedTea ??
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04:41<Sey>padski, IcedTea? I'vee seen that before. I shall look into it
04:41<Baggy2>Do you know about where to find good scripts for builing a mingw hosted toolchain that targets arm-linux and i386-linux? I would prefer Linux as build system and require gcc 4.x..
04:41<Baggy2>crosstool by kegel looks great, but it doesn't target mingw
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04:46<padski>Baggy2, why do you want to host on mingw ?
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04:48<Baggy2>padski: I don't want to, but windows users do..
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04:49<padski>I think you underestimate them ;-)
04:49<Baggy2>padski: I prefer mingw over cygwin
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04:51<Baggy2>padski: perhaps, but I actually do understand them in this case. One will always prefer what one is familiar with
04:51<padski>Baggy2, I think mingw has an exciting future, and I can understand doing something for the fun of it, and I'm sure you can make it work, but it does sound like a strange choice :-)
04:51<Baggy2>padski: windows users tend to find Linux very confusing
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04:52<padski>Baggy2, windows has a related effect on me :-)
04:52<Baggy2>*lol* :-)
04:53<Baggy2>must admit though, that MS Visual Studio is a great and powerful tool
04:53<padski>MS have done some very good stuff as well as some very bad things.
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05:00<snogglethorpe>it's interesting to watch a VS user work though
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07:05<Staale>I run vnc4server on 1 comp, and xvnc4viewer on my other (both debian unstable) - how can I get cut and paste to work between them?
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07:23<mbent>hello, any java gurus here: I am trying to use the vecmath library (found in package libvecmath1.2-java). I installed this package but the libraries don't appear in my ide when i use the import statement. Any suggestions?
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07:24<jm_>try reading README.Debian for it
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07:24<aniki>alloha compadre
07:25<aniki>question: suddenly my usb ntfs hdd wont be able to write files on it .. sometimes it does sometimes not .. how do i check for fileintegrity or the like?
07:25<jm_>on the other hand, it goes in /usr/share/java
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07:29<mbent>i see the files there in that directory, maybe its just some sort of setting in netbeans
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07:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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07:33<aniki>this is what i get when checking it
07:33<aniki>problem is that i have no windows
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07:35<jm_>why are you using ntfs then?
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07:37<aniki>well tis my old hdd and i have no space to backup 1 tb
07:38<aniki>hence ntfs
07:38<jm_>try this if you dare:
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07:40<aniki>how big are my chances of fucking my hdd for good ?
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07:41<jm_>no idea
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07:44<Swat->a good afternoon
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07:45<Swat->does anyone know where perl/dbi by default looks for the freetds config file, or where it's defined?
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07:48<rgnr>any1 plz tell me which are practica differences between debian amd64 and i386?
07:48<dpkg>*** any1: No such nick/channel
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07:49<Orijin4l>i have configured my exim4 to deliver using gmail, so i can mail, but can i make it do internal mail too ?
07:49<Lethalman>rgnr, they are two different processors
07:50<Lethalman>the former is 64-bit the latter 32-bit
07:50<mbent>rgnr, one is 64 bit and the other is 32 bit
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07:52<rgnr>damn i asked gor practical differences
07:52<rgnr>not theoretical
07:52<Gekz>gor you say
07:52<jm_>that is a practical difference
07:52<rgnr>to put it simple
07:52<rgnr>which works brtter
07:53<jm_>they work equally well, but in some cases the software for 64bit has not been ported yet
07:53<robokop>can i use partman-auto/expert-recipe to set partition labels?
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07:54<rgnr>so you say there's no big difference?
07:54<rgnr>if any
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08:00<Orijin4l>i have configured my exim4 to deliver using gmail, so i can mail, but can i make it do internal mail too ?
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08:01<petemc>what defines internal?
08:02<Orijin4l>so i can do
08:02<Orijin4l>mail username
08:02<Orijin4l>of a user on the system
08:02<petemc>username will be qualified with whatever qualify_domain is set to
08:03<Orijin4l>where is that ?
08:03<petemc>you can do pretty much anything with exim, but you're very limited in what you can do when configuring it with debconf
08:03<petemc>its in the config, if you dont know where it is or how to find, you're going to struggle to edit it
08:05<Orijin4l>let me rephrase that
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08:05<Orijin4l>if i email
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08:05<Orijin4l>it uses gmail and goes to
08:05<Orijin4l>but if i do username@localhost
08:05<Orijin4l>i can send to local users
08:05<gsimmons>robokop: label{ foo } . This doesn't appear to be documented according to bug #492828.
08:05<Orijin4l>can i make it add @localhost if nothing is specified ?
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08:07<petemc>Orijin4l: yes, as i said, it will qualify it to whatever the value of qualify_domain is
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08:08<Orijin4l>so i add that to update-exim4.conf then execute it ?
08:09<petemc>you'll never guess how it works in a thousand years
08:09<Orijin4l>petemc: thats why i came here ?
08:09<petemc>thats mistake, irc is for filling in the gaps, not being spoon fed answers
08:10<petemc>least, thats my take on it
08:10<jm_>you came here asking if that's doable, you got your answer
08:10<Orijin4l>ok, next im asking for a hint in what to google
08:11<Orijin4l>what do i need to read up on to understand and do it ?
08:11<jm_>exim docs should have explanation for that parameter
08:11<petemc>editing the debconf produced config makes it harder than it already is
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08:13<jm_>it says it defaults to primary_hostname
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08:13<petemc>you dont want primary_hostname to be localhost, thats what it helos with
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08:14<jm_>maybe it would work in this case if he gets mail with fetchmail only (i.e. it's not a real receiving server)
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08:19<Orijin4l>ive found it :P
08:20<petemc>that was quick
08:21<Orijin4l>i just read some of the docs
08:21<petemc>good man yerself
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08:23<Orijin4l>i would have got it earlier
08:23<Orijin4l>but i enclised the localhost in ''
08:23<Orijin4l>so it was resolving to user@'localhost'
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08:25<Orijin4l>thanks for your help petemc
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08:27<godaddy>HI All, I'm showing a work colleague what IRC is all about :-)
08:28<jm_>quick everyone, start trolling
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08:51<mhash>...that convinced me -- I am switching to opensuse :p
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08:56<jm_>mhash: you're using SLES already anyway :)
08:56<unrealer>which name has the german debian channel?
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08:57<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
08:57<mhash>jm_ naa -- not for a long time now. Still support it @ client sites though
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08:58<lethall>Bom dia galera, estou fazendo meu TCC1 e vou falar sobre Cluster de Alta Disponibilidade, gostaria de saber se alguem tem algum material interessante sobre esse assunto e o que eu poderia acrescentar sobre esse tema
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09:02<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:03<JimInVa>Hi, all! Anyone available to assist a n00b with wireless?
09:04<benjamin>JimInVa, ask your question
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09:04<JimInVa>WPC54GR PCMCIA card not recognized. I have another wired LAN card, which is recognized and works well as eth0, but no joy on the wireless card.
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09:06<Greppeldwerg>hi all
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09:07<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch>. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed in 2.6.26.
09:07<Greppeldwerg>I was just looking to download the Debian stable DVD torrents, but I can't get the torrentfiles from the site
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09:07<Greppeldwerg>any suggestions? mirrors?
09:07<JimInVa>Broadcom? I believe my box is recognizing the card as Ralink RT2600.
09:07<gsimmons>JimInVa: IIRC, the WPC54GR uses the Ralink RT61 chipset.
09:08<benjamin>Greppeldwerg, ?
09:08<jm_>obviously the extra R makes a big difference :)
09:08<gsimmons>JimInVa: What Debian version are you using?
09:09<Greppeldwerg>benjamin when I click one of the torrentfiles it just gives me an http error
09:09<Greppeldwerg>the cd torrents don't have this problem but I'd hate downloading so much cd's
09:09<benjamin>Greppeldwerg, oh you are right.. 404 error on torrent files
09:10<JimInVa>E0x: Thank you.
09:10<JimInVa>thanks all.
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09:10<benjamin>Greppeldwerg, I don't know how to get them then, sorry
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09:17<Greppeldwerg>READ before you post
09:17<gsimmons>Greppeldwerg: I did. Note the subtle difference in my provided URL.
09:18<Greppeldwerg>Noted, excuse me, and thanks :)
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09:19<Greppeldwerg>all the torrents give tracker issues
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09:19<Greppeldwerg>Is there anything still working properly on that debian site?
09:20<Lethalman>Greppeldwerg, links work properly to me
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09:22<stevecotton>Greppeldwerg: try the jigdo versions instead?
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09:22<benjamin>Greppeldwerg, is ok for me too
09:23<Greppeldwerg>Yes, I can download the torrent
09:23<Greppeldwerg>I can start the torrent
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09:24<Greppeldwerg>but then it says Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker
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09:25<alejmlg>alguien habla español¿
09:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:26<twb>Anyone else getting this from apt-listbugs (on lenny)? "Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message: W: invalid date"
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09:26<Greppeldwerg>jigdo seems to be the only option left as the Http/ftp download site has broken down too
09:26<Lethalman>twb, i guess it's related with texlive stuff?
09:27<Greppeldwerg>this calls for grocerie shopping
09:27<Lethalman>i got that a few times on texlive
09:27<twb>Lethalman: I'm using texlive, yes.
09:27<Lethalman>twb, are you upgrading texlive?
09:27<Lethalman>when you get that error?
09:27<twb>Yes, I'm about to hold those and try again
09:28<Lethalman>anyway i got that error too
09:28<Lethalman>and there's also a bug for that
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09:33<iron>anybody knows a good linux-developer-channel ?
09:35<twb>Lethalman: yes, keeping texlive makes things work.
09:35<twb>Lethalman: do you have a BTS bug number for that?
09:35<Lethalman>twb, ehm no :)
09:35<Lethalman>i can find it i think, hold on
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09:41<paparsifal>hi there
09:41<paparsifal>can someone help me with a usb disk problem ?
09:41<paparsifal>i have connected an usb disk to my debian etch
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09:42<paparsifal>the disk show up in cat /proc/partitions
09:42<paparsifal>as sdc
09:42<paparsifal>but it isn't present in /dev/sdc
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09:42<petemc>paparsifal: look in dmesg
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09:43<paparsifal>it shows up correctly in dmsg
09:43<paparsifal>as sdc
09:43<paparsifal>with right size
09:43<petemc>fdisk -l /dev/sdc
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09:44<paparsifal>does nothing
09:44<petemc>as root?
09:44<paparsifal>there's no file called /dev/sdc
09:44<paparsifal>yes i'm root
09:44<twb>petemc: I'm guessing udev is the key
09:44<paparsifal>perhaps i should create a file /dev/sdc ?
09:45<twb>paparsifal: yes, but you need to know the major and minor node numbers
09:45<paparsifal>in /deb/disk/bi-id it doesn't show up either
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09:45<twb>paparsifal: the fact that it wasn't made for you is suspicious
09:46<paparsifal>where i can find the minor and major number ? in dmesg ?
09:46<twb>paparsifal: voodoo
09:46<twb>paparsifal: is udev installed?
09:46<paparsifal>usb 5-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8
09:46<paparsifal>usb 5-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
09:46<paparsifal>scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
09:46<paparsifal>usb-storage: device found at 8
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09:47<paparsifal>pasterbot ?
09:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:47<electronplusplu>petemc: do you have some time?
09:48<paparsifal>dmesg :
09:48<paparsifal>i have a sata hard drive on the box that is failing
09:48<paparsifal>can it prevent the usb disk to load properly ?
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09:49<electronplusplu>can someone help me with a drivers question?
09:50<themill>electronplusplu: only if you actually ask it
09:50<electronplusplu>themill: i was an Ubuntu
09:50<electronplusplu>and i have a SMC Wireless USB
09:50<electronplusplu>with Ubuntu i have just pulged it and it started to work
09:51<electronplusplu>but it doesn't happen with Debian...
09:51<electronplusplu>What should i do?
09:51<paparsifal>twb ?
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09:51<paparsifal>petemc ?
09:51<themill>electronplusplu: do you know what the chipset is? the relevant line from lsusb would be a good start
09:52<electronplusplu>themill: not really :(
09:53<paparsifal>should i restart udev ?
09:53<paparsifal>can it be restarted without restarting the entire system ?
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09:54<electronplusplu>themill: is a SIS Chipset :)
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09:56<themill>electronplusplu: never heard of it.... Can you paste the relevant line from lsusb?
09:56<paparsifal>can someone help me ?
09:56<paparsifal>how can i create /dev/sdc ?
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09:57<electronplusplu>Bus 005 Device 003: ID 083a:4505 Accton Technology Corp.
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09:57<electronplusplu>i was thinking in the other chipset :|
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09:57<bensode>Torrent links on the site are 404
09:58<electronplusplu>bensode: for a long time...
09:58<aniki>well why wont anyone fix those ?
09:58<bensode>any suggestions where to get a torrent link for dvd 4_r4?
09:58<themill>electronplusplu: Googling for that usbid is the way forward. Apparently that's a zd1211-based device.
09:59<dpkg>zd1211 is, like, the _vendor-based_ community driver for ZyDAS USB wireless LAN chipsets ( This driver is unmaintained and was rewritten, ask me about <zd1211rw>. A brief history is at Not expected to compile on recent kernels.
09:59<paparsifal>ok i've created sdc with .MAKEDEV sdc
09:59<themill>electronplusplu: ^^ that might be relevant
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09:59<paparsifal>i can now "see" the drive in /dev/.static/dev/sdc
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10:00<panv>if i get banned in a channel, is there anything i can do except for sitting down very sadly ??
10:01<amphi>panv: you can PM an op
10:02<bensode>Ahh good then no working links for downloads on the debian main site?
10:02<electronplusplu>themill: i have downloaded the firmware, in this moment i'm on Ubuntu...
10:03<electronplusplu>how can i setup this firmware on Debian?
10:03<themill>electronplusplu: did you /msg dpkg zd1211rw?
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10:04<electronplusplu>oh forget it, i haven't saw the installion part...
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10:04<themill>electronplusplu: and you downloaded the firmware .deb from the debian website?
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10:05<electronplusplu>themill: no the tar.bz2
10:05<electronplusplu>there was an .deb?
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10:06<panv>yo yo yo
10:06<themill>electronplusplu: yes, as dpkg said. Grab the etch .deb for the package zd1211-firmware from, then use dpkg -i zd1211-firmware*.deb to install it on your debian machine
10:08<panv>it would work to pm an op after being banned ?
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10:09<electronplusplu>themill: thanks :) i have downloaded the file zd1211-firmware_2.16.0.0-0.1_all.deb and now i'm going to test ir :)
10:11<panv>amphi, how can i pm an OP while i am banned from the channel...
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10:15<dondelelcaro>panv: usually, yes.
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10:17<reggae>Hi people,
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10:19<reggae>i got aproblem installing build-essential on debian, when i type "apt-get install build-essential" it show me a message saying it depends on lib6c and some dependency stuff? btw im using lenny....your help will be much appreciated,.
10:19<gsimmons>!tell reggae -about bat
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10:21<reggae>-about bat
10:21<reggae>gsimmons: hi again,
10:21<oigres>What is the meaning of a package "to be installed" but set to be "manually installed" ??? How can I fix that?
10:22<oigres>Sorry, s/to be installed/installed/
10:22<reggae>gsimmons: ill paste the outcome later, cus im reinstalling the whole lenny the 9th time... ;)
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10:25<gsimmons>reggae: I hate to disappoint, but you don't receive a free sandwich upon completing your 10th reinstallation.
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10:27<reggae>its weird that previously i installed lenny without a scratch, but now the problem comes, is it due to debian update their ftp site where the updates came from?
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10:31<ranix>gsimmons: what do I have to do to receive free sandwich
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10:35<reggae>btw anyone here know wats dependencies?
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10:36<dondelelcaro>reggae: huh?
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10:37<reggae>well, i came across it when i try to install buil-essential? it says im missing some dependencies (which i dunno wat it is)?
10:37<reggae>is there something that it needs to depend on?
10:39<themill>yes, that's the point. apt-cache depends build-essential
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10:42<reggae>so if i couldn't install build-essential then what does it depend on?
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10:42<reggae>apt-cache > build essential > ???
10:43<themill>reggae: run the command: apt-cache depends build-essential
10:43<themill>or alternatively, look at
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10:44<reggae> afraid i can't since im reinstalling lenny now? it will take approx. 1hr15mins...
10:45<themill>or alternatively, look at
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10:47<themill>reggae: or even /msg dpkg depends build-essential lenny
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10:50<Greppeldwerg>Jigdo doesn't work either
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10:50<Greppeldwerg>the whole download part of is broken
10:51<Greppeldwerg>how do we report this?
10:52<gary>give that a shot
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10:56<aniki>how do i check which ram i have on my machine '?
10:57<aniki>i.e. pc 133
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11:01<ranix>aniki: try /proc/meminfo
11:02<ranix>scratch that, no info there
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11:03<aniki>and how do you unmount an external drive as such and not just the volumes on it ?
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11:09<ranix>aniki: I do not know of a way to check the FSB from within linux
11:09<ranix>aniki: you don't mount disks as such, you mount filesystems
11:09<reggae>themill: btw do you know why, it can't install build-essential now? but preciously theres no problem, is it due to debian update their ftp site?
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11:11<themill>reggae: I have no idea, and since you chose to reinstall rather than find out some useful error messages I doubt we'll ever know.... "it says im missing some dependencies (which i dunno wat it is)?" is about as unhelpful as you can get
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11:11<themill>reggae: if it's still a problem now, then /msg dpkg bat and provide us with the information required
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11:11<reggae>themill: how bout i show the outcome of the error tru pastebin later?
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11:13<ranix>I don't understand why you would reinstall your operating system just because apt is keeping back a package
11:13<reggae>themill: btw the missing dependencies (if im not mistaken is) : g++, libc6-dev and dpkg-dev ....these packages come from where pal? is it from linux-headers? sorry im n00b..
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11:13<reggae>it feels better to reinstall, pls don't mind, cus its my habit...
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11:13<ranix>reggae: perhaps you are used to Windows
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11:14<ranix>reggae: in the real world, we don't reinstall operating systems for minor problemms
11:14<themill>reggae: these packages shouldn't be missing at all. Does this machine have internet access? Pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list as well along with the output of "apt-get update".
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11:15<ranix>reggae: it is possible you had/have an earlier version of g++/libc6 due to another package that requires these versions, and these were kept back purposefully so as not to break the dependent package
11:15<reggae>ok, ill pastebin right after i the installation done...
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11:15<qq_>reggae: no, than is to late
11:15<reggae>ranix: so how do i update them as well?
11:16<themill>ranix: I'm guessing no network.
11:16<themill>reggae: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
11:17<ranix>reggae: it is possible to update the packages anyway with --force iirc, it happens very rarely that an upgrade would break something and I have only run into the problem once or twice in 10-ish years
11:17<ranix>themill is probably right and you simply had a bad sources.list
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11:21<electronplusplu>themill: still there?
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11:22<electronplusplu>i have tried the packages but nothing done...
11:23<dpkg>hmm... zd1211rw is the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets ( Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package in <non-free>). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required. #zd1211 @
11:23<themill>electronplusplu: I've already told you more than what I actually know about that particular chipset unfortunately....
11:23<themill>electronplusplu: what happens when you "modprobe -r zd1211rw ; modprobe zd1211rw" ?
11:24<themill>electronplusplu: is there any useful output in dmesg | tail -25 ? (pastebin it if you can)
11:24<electronplusplu>themill: i just dpkg -i package.deb
11:24<electronplusplu>ant it was installed
11:25<cahoot>electronplusplu: according to the fw distributed by debian isn't what you want - might be obsolete info though
11:27<electronplusplu>cahoot: the USB Wireless is working good on my ubuntu
11:27<gsimmons>cahoot: That used to be correct, but it has since been corrected within the package.
11:27<electronplusplu>how can i get info from Ubuntu to get ther right friver?
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11:30<cahoot>electronplusplu: works fine on my debian lenny too
11:31<themill>Is the firmware from lenny or sid required rather than the firmware from etch?
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11:32<electronplusplu>cahoot: Debian 4 release 4 is etch or lenny?
11:32<gsimmons>themill: They're all at the same version.
11:32<themill>gsimmons: not according to and the changelog
11:33<MrNaz>What is the quickest simplest way to set up a vpn using debian? I don't need complex authentication, i just need a secure pipe between two internet hosts
11:33<jayaund>lsb_release -a
11:35<jayaund>MrNaz: try socat
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11:36<jayaund>socat with openssl:
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11:38<MrNaz>jayaund actually... all i really need is a secure nfs share
11:38<gsimmons>themill: I'm sorry, I misread the unstable version. AFAICT, electronplusplu's device ID is not present within zd_usb.c in the 2.6.18 kernel (it is included in 2.6.24).
11:38<MrNaz>is there an easier way than using a vpn? can i tunnel nfs over ssh for instance?
11:39<MrNaz>well i know i *can*... is it easier?
11:39<weasel>secure. and NFS. hah.
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11:40<Pryon>MrNaz: a google search of "secure NFS" brings up a few answers to your question
11:41<electronplusplu>gsimmons: so where i can find the drivers? acording to zd1211, my USB wireless device is not in the list...
11:41<jayaund>MrNaz: lookup this:
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11:43<gsimmons>electronplusplu: The quickest solution would be to install an etchnhalf (2.6.24) kernel. The zd1211rw module included in this version would support your wireless LAN device.
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11:44<themill>gsimmons: ahh that would do it.
11:45<gary>Can anyone give me a hand with the installation of Kmess? I only started using linux the other day. It says I need GTK2.0 + , but when I do an aptitude search for it, it comes up with a bunch of plugins, but not the actual file. When I click the .package for kmess, it opens it in the archiver, which then says it cant be opened. A hand, anyone? please? ^^
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11:46<Pryon>gary: why aren't you doing 'apt-get install kmess' ?
11:46<iury>hello, i've installed beryl in debian etch, but i can't get it to work
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11:46<iury>what do i have to add in xorg.conf?
11:46<gary>I'll give that a shot, but I couulda sworn i've tried it.
11:47<gary>I'm stupid. Thank you ^^
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11:50<electronplusplu>gsimmons: there isn't an easier way?
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12:03<reggae>guys im back, but it hink it would be better if i come back wif a pastebin of my errors, btw im using sources.list from stable main contrib non-free (is this the right one?)
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12:03<gsimmons>reggae: Uh, didn't you say you were installing testing?
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12:03<reggae>yeah, im installing the testing version...
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12:04<gsimmons>reggae: Then you shouldn't be referencing Etch/stable package archives. No wonder you're experiencing dependency issues.
12:05<reggae>gsimmons: that so....owh my which should i use gsimmons?
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12:06<gsimmons>reggae: You would want to replace the word "stable" with "lenny" in your previous sources.list example.
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12:09<reggae>so once i done a fresh install of lenny, should i start apt-get install linux-headers first or apt-get install build-essential? or neither both doesnt matter?
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12:10<ptr>so... what's the difference between a package with an arch of 'any', and one where it's 'all'?
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12:11<ptr>wait, no, I have my answer
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12:11<weasel>also, I bet that one's well documented
12:11<ptr>sorry to bug ya
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12:11<ptr>(not well documented in the dh-make-php man page, which is where I encountered it)
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12:13<weasel>dh-make-php is hardly the most appropriate or authoritative source on general packaging stuff :)
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12:26<reggae_>gsimmons: so is it like " stable lenny contrib non-free"? in the sources.list?
12:28<gsimmons>reggae_: No, I said to replace the word "stable", not "main". Your line should read " lenny main contrib non-free".
12:29<reggae_>gsimmons: ok, got that....thanks man, ill try now, so ill be offlining now....
12:29<erKURITA>stable =/= lenny
12:29<erKURITA>(for the time being)
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12:38<fxiny>decay ;)
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13:04<baka>есь кто
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13:05<baka>есть кто
13:05<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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13:08<erKURITA>lol themill
13:09<erKURITA>what a clean way to redirect a russian to its channel
13:09<erKURITA>uhm, does dpkg show the version of a package in testing, for example?
13:09<themill>erKURITA: the dpkg bot? /msg dpkg info packagename lenny
13:10<themill>by default, it tells you about sid.
13:10<erKURITA>awww, OpenTTD is still in 0.6.1
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13:11<themill>erKURITA: it has the same version in lenny and sid.
13:11<erKURITA>yeah, I just checked
13:12<erKURITA>experimental has 0.6.2-RC2-1, though
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13:13<themill>yes. Is there a newer version around? release candidates often aren't uploaded to unstable unless the maintainer is fairly confident that they are a good RC and that they won't be too disruptive. Especially this close to release.
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13:13<erKURITA>it's already 0.6.2
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13:13<erKURITA>released on Aug 1st.
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13:18<themill>erKURITA: then there's no chance of it going into lenny and there's little chance of it being uploaded into sid until after lenny releases
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13:22<erKURITA>damn it
13:22<erKURITA>I'll have to wait until September to get it off debian's repos
13:22<erKURITA>or I could manuall install it (they provide .deb)
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13:25<themill>september is perhaps optimistic /msg dpkg lenny pool
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13:28<erKURITA>2009-06 ?
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13:28<erKURITA>I lol'd
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13:31<themill>erKURITA: some of those bets were made just after etch released.
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13:51<electronplusplu>themill: the driver zd1211rw should work, rigth?
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13:52<reggae>gsimmons: im back, thanks, i had successfully installed build-essential, now im trying to "make" compat-wireless after extracted the tarball file.....but it showed me an error, i had pastebin it, heres the link : (anyone here who know about it, can help me too ;)....)
13:53<themill>electronplusplu: As I said, I have no idea. But I *think* that's the right driver for your wireless chip. You might need the etchnhalf or kernel though to get a newer kernel and the firmware from sid.
13:53<erKURITA>what chip is it?
13:53<electronplusplu>themill: i have installed this driver, modprobe zd1211rw and no error :)
13:53<electronplusplu>but i can't still use wireless...
13:53<erKURITA>It's definitely not broadcom or atheros, from the looks
13:54<electronplusplu>i have allready installed wireless-tools.
13:54<electronplusplu>erKURITA: Accton
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13:55<electronplusplu>the lsusb
13:55<themill>electronplusplu: so what's the output of iwconfig now? does it list any devices that it likes?
13:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
13:56<electronplusplu>nno :(
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13:57<cahoot>no complaints re zd1211rw in dmesg?
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13:57<themill>electronplusplu: do you have wired internet access atm? can you pastebin stuff easily?
13:58<electronplusplu>themill: not really
13:58<electronplusplu>but he dmesg are very lines...
13:58<electronplusplu>wait just 1 minute
13:58<themill>Hang on
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13:58<themill>can you do this instead: what's the output of "modprobe -r zd1211rw ; modprobe zd1211rw ; dmesg | tail -20" (can you
13:58<themill>err.... "modprobe -r zd1211rw ; modprobe zd1211rw ; dmesg | tail -20"
13:59<reggae_>gsimmons: sorry its ( compat-wireless "make" file error...btw if anyone has any idea about this can lend a hand too :)
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14:01<electronplusplu>themill: too late :P
14:01<electronplusplu>but check this
14:01<reggae_>i had install latest "linux-headers, build-essential, linux-image, libssl-dev, ncurses-dev, libnl-dev, wireless-tools and still no result...
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14:05<reggae_>it says "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/build: No such file or directory." i think theres something missing....but couldn't figure out...
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14:09<reggae>hi people,
14:10<reggae>i had an error when i was trying to "make" compat-wireless file, but i came across this error when making it, here :
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14:14<electronplusplu>themill: something?
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14:17<reggae>has anyone got a compat-wireless work on ur system?
14:18<cahoot>why not use a kernel with that enabled?
14:20<electronplusplu>cahoot: i have installed Debian today
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14:24<reggae>cahoot: u reffering me>
14:25<cahoot>yes reggae
14:25<reggae>cahoot: so which kernel had compat-wireless enabled?
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14:26<cahoot>not sure when it was added but 2.624 and later surely
14:27<reggae>i had 2.6.24.....
14:27<reggae>so it should work rite?
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14:27<cahoot>reggae: what wifi?
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14:27<reggae>dlink dwa110 (uses rt73 chipset)
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14:28<reggae>according their website it needs : A kernel >= 2.6.21 (limited support for 2.6.21) and kernel headers installed
14:28<reggae>kernel headers = linux-headers?
14:28<cahoot>usb or pci?
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14:29<reggae>cahoot: ^^^^ and its usb
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14:29<reggae>it used to work b4, but not now after reinstalling a fresh copy of lenny
14:30<reggae>btw guys, "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build" command is to check what? mayb if someone could explqain this i could figure it out wat it needs...
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14:32<reggae>is it i need kernel-headers or dev-tools to compile stuffs?
14:33<dpkg>[build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
14:34<cahoot>reggae: I'd check out module-assistant
14:34<reggae>cahoot: but i did this "apt-get install build-essential" and still gets the errors..
14:34<reggae>cahoot: heres the errors : ....if u dun mind to cek it out...
14:35<reggae>n yes i did "aptitude install build-essential module-assistant", "m-a update", "m-a prepare", right after "apt-get install build-essential"....
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14:36<cahoot>so linux-headers should be in place
14:36<reggae>yeah i did "apt-get install linux-headers" too.... still no luck...
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14:39<reggae>i guess ill have to reinstall the whole system again, mayb i had a spoil cd...
14:40<sejje>reggae: i doubt that's the problem
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14:40<sejje>you're just missing a package
14:41<reggae>sejje: yeah, but i just couldnt figure out the package that it needs....if i just can vomit out it would be simple
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14:43<reggae>anyone know what this means "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/build: No such file or directory. Stop."....
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14:45<s_i_m>reggae, what does "ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/build" say?
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14:50<urmolting>yeah, so...
14:50<urmolting>Requested 'poppler-glib >= 0.5.0' but version of poppler-glib is 0.4.5
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14:51<urmolting>i installed the package with the package manager... how would i go about obtaining the newer versiojn? do i need to compile from source?
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14:55<s_i_m>urmolting, you can get the source package from testing or unstable and try to backport it to etch
14:55<urmolting>dunno anything about backporting?
14:57<s_i_m>this means rebuilding a newer package from source on an older system. to do this one needs to know some basics about debian source packages and stuff
14:57<reggae>s_i_m: sorry for late reply, was downstairs....ill post the result typing now..
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14:57<urmolting>is that as complicated as it sounds?
14:58<s_i_m>urmolting, that depends. there has to be a how-to about it, try debian bakporting with google.
15:01<reggae>s_i_m: after typing in "ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/build" i get a message saying "ls: invalid option --/
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15:01<s_i_m>you mistyped something?
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15:02<reggae>s_i_m: i guess not, but ill try retype the thing...
15:02<urmolting>would ugrading to lenny change my situation at all?
15:03<s_i_m>urmolting, it will
15:03<urmolting>is there a ETA for lenny =stable?
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15:04<reggae>s_i_m: u r right i typed wrongly, but now i get an error message saying "ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-powerpc/build: No such file or directory"?
15:04<s_i_m>urmolting, look there
15:05<s_i_m>reggae, good. now paste somewhere the output of "ls -l /usr/src" and tell me where to look
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15:06<reggae>ok, i guess i have to offline 1st...brb ok
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15:08<oskie>how do I know what checksumming is used for passwords in my /etc/shadow?
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15:09<themill>oskie: no checksumming but a hash. By default, md5 is used with a salt. man 3 crypt for more information (also look at the perl or php pages on the crypt function for additional info)
15:13<svend>Is there a way to expand certain control characters (like backspace) in the output from a script session?
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15:20<urmolting>s_i_m: you still around?
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15:30<s_i_m>urmolting, looking bad, but you may try to run aptitude interactively and see what it wants to do directly
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15:31<s_i_m>you can also try to remove xserver-xorg-video-all before the upgrade
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15:32<urmolting>is that what was causing most of those problems?
15:32<s_i_m>and check that you do not have any packages set on hold
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15:35<s_i_m>urmolting, the broken packages you have are listed in lines 9 and 10
15:35<Tuplad>is it possible to check if a mouse button is physically blown out or disabled by the system?
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15:37<guilherme>how can i install flash plugin original on amd64?
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15:38<s_i_m>what is flash plugin original? =)
15:38<themill>!adobe flash
15:38<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
15:38<nivanson>hi, anybody else not beeing able to use the iceweasel package in lenny? i am using amd64
15:38<Tuplad>is it possible to check if a mouse button is physically blown out or disabled by the system?
15:39<guilherme>!adobe flash
15:39<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
15:39<guilherme>!adobe flash testing
15:39<dpkg>If you want Adobe Flash for "testing", then you will need to install the package from unstable (See Ask me about <adobe flash> for why it is not in stable or testing any more, or ask me about <flash> for free implementations that don't have this problem.
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15:40<s_i_m>Tuplad, plug in to another computer if you have one nearby
15:40<Tuplad>s_i_m: but I dont have one :(
15:41<s_i_m>then did it work before?
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15:41<Tuplad>s_i_m: I was surfing the internet and my mouse "slipped" so I kinda squeezed it, and my middle mouse button doesnt work anymore
15:42<s_i_m>oh, this sounds like you broke it
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15:42<teratoma_>this is probably a stupid question but will my laptop consume more or less power if i encrypt all of my partitions ?
15:43<Tuplad>s_i_m: damn
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15:43<benjamin>teratoma_, more..
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15:43<Tuplad>s_i_m: the scrolling works though, it's the clicking that doesn't
15:44<s_i_m>disassemble it and look inside
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15:44<Tuplad>s_i_m: physically?
15:45<Tuplad>alright, thanks!
15:45<Pedrinho>tudo bem com vc
15:45<Pedrinho>tudo bem com vc
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15:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:47<guilherme>i'm trying to use gdesklets but, every time i get an error when i try to start it, i see the log error and they say about flash player, but i use amd64, how can i fix it?
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15:53<urmolting>ok. i'm kinda stuck now. the system wont upgrade and aptitude cant resolve the problem or find a solution
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15:54<s_i_m>urmolting, but you have not started the upgrade yet?
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15:55<urmolting>i ran aptitude dist-upgrade and it's balking saying that
15:55<urmolting>Resolving dependencies...
15:55<urmolting>open: 31041; closed: 19834; defer: 0; conflict: 10 oNo solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]
15:55<urmolting>i've been pressing Y for a while now
15:55<urmolting>it's not finding a solugtion
15:55<themill>urmolting: can you (in another window) run apt-cache policy and pastebin the output for us?
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15:57<themill>That's unfortunate... I was hoping to find the answer to your problem in that output ;(
15:58<themill>urmolting: did you run an aptitude update prior to the dist-upgrade?
15:58<urmolting>ok. i was about to abandon the effort to upgrade to lenny, but now any time i run aptitude i get a huge list of programs to be installed, removed, blah blah blah
15:58<urmolting>yeah i did
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15:59<themill>urmolting: are you trying etch->lenny or are you just updating a lenny install?
16:00<themill>and do you have any non-debian packages installed?
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16:00<themill>e.g. debs that you've downloaded and then installed
16:01<urmolting>most likely
16:01<urmolting>yeah. i'm sure i did at some point
16:01<themill>that probably doesn't help. If you start the aptitude curses interface, you can have a look in the "Obsolete and locally installed" section for what might be lurking there.
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16:02<urmolting>how would i do that?
16:03<s_i_m>urmolting, or you can simply remove the broken packages for now and install them later
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16:03<urmolting>i removed everything except ghostscript
16:03<urmolting>i cant seem to remove it
16:04<s_i_m>what does aptitude says?
16:04<s_i_m>or dpkg?
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16:09<s_i_m>urmolting, you do not seem to have it installed at all =)
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16:11<souza>ola qual seu nome?
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16:12<s_i_m>urmolting, try aptitude dist-upgrade now
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16:13<urmolting>it's still searching for a solution
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16:13<s_i_m>let us see the output again
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16:14<Tuplad>would it be safe to remove openvpn ?
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16:14<Tuplad>wont my connection die or something ?
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16:15<s_i_m>Tuplad, that depends on how you use it
16:15<Tuplad>s_i_m: I dont even know what it's for.
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16:17<s_i_m>it is for establishing a secure tunnel between networks
16:17<Tuplad>s_i_m: like home networks etc. ?
16:18<Tuplad>s_i_m: a router is connected to my modem and I'm connected to the router, that's pretty much it
16:18<Tuplad>s_i_m: so I can safely remove it ?
16:18<s_i_m>i think so
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16:38<E0x>how i can get the config file of kernel 2.6.26 that coming with the debian kerne package, without downloading the packages ??
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16:44<Bousteur>hello, I got a little problem with xserver-xorg, could someone help me please ?
16:45<Bousteur>i freshly install xorg & kde via aptitude from scratch on my old command-line server
16:46<Bousteur>and i got this message : Undefined Device "vesa" referenced by Screen "Default Screen"
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16:49<newsense>Bousteur: did ya run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
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16:50<Bousteur>yep it didnt worked
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16:50<Bousteur>i think the problem is my ati radeon 7000 didn't appear in xorg.conf
16:50<Bousteur>(like my screen)
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16:51<Bousteur>but my first reflex after aptitude was to dpkg-reconfigure the package
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16:52<newsense>you got radeon xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed or what ever its called for radeon cards ?
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16:57<Bousteur>aptitude didn't find any radeon package for xorg O_o
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16:57<newsense>its in testing
16:58<Bousteur>etch :/
16:58<goshawk>xserver-xorg-video-ati ???
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16:59<Bousteur>already installed
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16:59<newsense>is the module loaded ?
16:59<Bousteur>how do I know this ?
17:01<Bousteur>i got a atiixp module loaded
17:01<Bousteur>but i dunno if it's the good module
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17:02<newsense>modinfo atiixp
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17:03<krishna>Bousteur: I think atiixp is for ati ide controler
17:03<newsense>sounds like an ati driver
17:04<newsense>modinfo should tell ya
17:04<Bousteur>i think so
17:04<Bousteur>modinfo tells me so :p
17:04<newsense>whats it for ?
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17:05<krishna>Bousteur: nothing to do with video. I have a radeon x200m at the laptop, and it works with xserver-xorg-video-ati, but 3d on hardware just with proprietary fglrx
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17:05<Bousteur>ide driver newsense
17:06<Bousteur>fin bon
17:06<newsense>modprobe the module
17:06<Bousteur>i don't care 3d
17:06<krishna>Bousteur: the attempt to have 3d with free driver is xserver-xorg-video-radeon
17:07<krishna>Bousteur: check that you have ati at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf Driver section
17:07<Bousteur>if i put Driver "ati" in my xorg.conf, X refuses to load
17:07<Bousteur>-load +run
17:08<newsense>radeon you try that ?
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17:12<rgnr>have problem while making pidgin
17:12<rgnr>make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
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17:17<themill>rgnr: why are you trying to compile pidgin?
17:18<rgnr>themill: cuz compiled soft eats less
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17:18<themill>right.... and you know that and yet you don't know how to compile something.
17:19<sejje>themill: that's helpful.
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17:20<themill>I'm happy to point him towards if he is just wanting to get a newer pidgin for etch, but I have no intention of spending time solving a compilation problem when there's already a package available and there's no reason not to use it.
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17:20<rgnr>themill: right.. and when i dunni smth i wanna know i just learn it
17:20<newsense>google away
17:21<themill>rgnr: the error is also meaningless without context. If you pastebin the entire output including the command you gave (and anything that you did before it), then it might be helpful and someone might be willing and able to help
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17:21<dondelelcaro>but frankly, there's almost no point to compiling pidgin yourself.
17:22<dondelelcaro>just use the Debian packages
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17:31<rms>rgnr: are you sure its not better to practive admin basics like working with directories, permissions, packing and unpacking, etc. before you try to compile things?
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17:38<jthomas>what do i need to do to keep my /etc/resolv.conf file after a reboot or upon joining a new network?
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17:39<dondelelcaro>jthomas: the general idea is to use resolvconf and have it manage it for you
17:40<jthomas>so... then how do i tell resolvconf what nameservers i want? or how do i tell it to leave that file alone?
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17:43<jthomas>and it appears that i don't have resolvconf installed so that isn't a part of the solution i guess :)
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17:45<ptr>So... I just added eight devices into a new soft-raid5 array, using mdadm --create
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17:45<reggae>hi, anyone here know whats the commad for checking usb device that are connected to my ibook?
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17:46<xanonus>lsusb is in package usbutils
17:46<ptr>I specified -n 8 -x 0, but the resulting array nonetheless had one device in state "spare rebuilding"
17:46<ptr>any idea why this would be?
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17:47<reggae>thanks.....and if i would like to add up wlan0 line in /interfaces should i add in? auto wlan0 then iface wlan0 inet dhcp or just auto wlan0??
17:47<jthomas>my Kicker has a storage media applet added; it thinks there is an audio CD in the drive but there isn't; how can I clear this out?
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17:50<reggae>so which line comes 1st?
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17:50<reggae>cus my usb wifi was working b4 i reboot, after reboot, it couldnt detect the wifi anymore, even after i ifconfig it...
17:51<reggae>so i guess i need to add up a line in interfaces...
17:51<reggae>any ideas?
17:51<amphi>man 5 interfaces
17:51<ptr>in other words, how do you set a device to the active state?
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17:53<sejje>any ideas what might cause a delay starting a connection, but afterwards having the usual bandwidth? also, this is only via my wireless--not an issue through ethernet.
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17:54<stevecotton>sejje - the Wireshark package is mostly likely to tell you (but it's not exactly intuitive)
17:55<sejje>stevecotton: lol, i'll check it out, ty.
17:55<reggae>amphi: it says nothing bout wlan0
17:55<reggae>any more?
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17:58<sejje>lol, as a cruel joke, Wireshark is downloading at 200B/s
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18:00<stevecotton>sejje - is there a delay to all servers, or just one?
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18:00<sejje>stevecotton: all, and i see what you mean--i don't really know what to analyze.
18:01<stevecotton>and what if you connect by IP address rather than name?
18:01<sejje>stevecotton: once i've established with a server, there's no longer a delay--i thought maybe it was a DNS issue, but i've updated to opendns servers with no change.
18:01<sejje>stevecotton: i haven't tried that specifically, let me give it a shot.
18:03<sejje>stevecotton: zippity fast, so i guess it IS a dns issue
18:04<reggae>another problem, my usb wifi now not working, im using a dlink dwa-110 (rt73 chipset) + lenny it cant detect it anymore, i use ifconfig, theres nothing about wlan0, anyone can help???
18:04<sejje>stevecotton: any ideas why that'd only be a problem over wireless (and more specifically, wireless in linux)?
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18:04<stevecotton>sejje: in /etc/nsswitch.conf, what does the hosts: line say?
18:05<magyar_>hi, how can i stop this process "987 ? S< 0:00 [md6_raid1]" i tried kill -9 but no luck
18:05<sejje>hhosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
18:06<reggae>gsimmons: u still there pal? mind if i i lend u for wile?
18:06<stevecotton>sejje - unless you're using mdns, I suggest changing that to just "hosts: files dns"
18:07<sejje>do i need to restart any services to update that?
18:07<stevecotton>you shouldn't need to
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18:08<stevecotton>dpkg: mdns
18:08<dpkg>stevecotton: I give up, what is it?
18:08<reggae>anyone can help me get my usb wifi to work on lenny?
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18:10<stevecotton>sejje - it's something to find the names of other computers on the local network. Try Wikipedia.
18:10<sejje>stevecotton: alright, ty. i think i have to reboot to get changes, as it's still slow.
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18:11<reggae>nvm...ill come back tomoro
18:11<sejje>stevecotton: thanks for your help sir!
18:11<stevecotton>see if it's fixed it first :)
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18:12<sejje>no, thanks either way. for real.
18:12<sejje>brb though.
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18:17<delux>hallo leute
18:17<sejje>stevecotton: ::sniffle::
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18:44<stevecotton>sejje - installing lwresd might improve things, OTOH libcurl (used by wget) has been trying things that are incompatible with lwresd
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19:32<qq> i have a bug on my screen
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19:33<erKURITA>smash it and dispose it ?
19:33<qq> i means an really insect
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19:34<erKURITA>same reply
19:34<qq>all windows are open , so his entering to the light
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19:48<qq>here windows are open , fresh air ...
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19:58<sejje>apt-get install lwersd
19:58<sejje>this != console
19:58<sejje>and that != packagename
19:58<aniki>hi. how do i format a hdd that is connected via a sata->usb bridge to my laptop. it has some old ntfs raid system on it so it doesnt want to be mounted in any easy newbie way.. how do i proceed ? :)
19:59<goshawk>you can use gparted
20:00<aniki>it doesnt seem to find any disk :/
20:00<blarson>aniki: cfdisk and mke2fs same as any disk.
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20:01<blarson>aniki: when you connect it, it should show up as /dev/sd? , see /var/log/syslog
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20:15<aniki>i get this
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20:16<aniki>cfdisk wont find it plugged in
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20:32*aniki sighs
20:32<aniki>how long should gparted take to find the device, because well .. tis not :/
20:32<blarson>aniki: looks like something is accessing the disk. Turn off automounters before trying to fix it.
20:33<blarson>aniki: the broken filesystem on the drive is causing the mount to fail, but keeping the device busy.
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20:34<aniki>are there any other automounters besides the ones in the systems tab?
20:36<blarson>I don't have a "system tab" or any automounter, so I don't know what you have.
20:38<paparsifal>hi there
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20:39<aniki>argh.. need to change to english with this distro.. well on the top of the screen you have "hotplug swap drives mounted automaticly" (translated) and some others and i unchecked them
20:39<paparsifal>does someone know where i can find the maximum hardlink counter i can have on a file
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20:40<paparsifal>is it system specific or does it depends on the harddisk size/cluster size.. ?
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20:42<blarson>paparsifal: Depends on the filesystem, but I think it's 32767 or 65535
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20:44<paparsifal>ok 32000
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20:45<paparsifal>i got a file linked wich i want to hardlink more
20:45<paparsifal>and it gives me an error
20:46<paparsifal>but now i know how to handle it
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20:53<gsimmons>reggae: You need to update/upgrade your lenny system (eg. aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to install the 2.6.25 kernel, then reboot. If your wireless device is still not recognised by rt73usb, install the 'linux-headers-2.6-powerpc' package and compile the compat-wireless drivers.
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21:36<rodna>I have a 500GB external HDD and cannot be recognized - some strange fs is there what should I do
21:36<Tarcas>Do you know what FS, and can you read it under Windows?
21:37<Tarcas>And is there anything important on it, or can you repartition and reformat it without losing anything?
21:38<rodna>Tarcas: most probably is NTFS - but I will look again
21:38<rodna> Windows reads it
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21:50<Tarcas>rodna: If Windows reads it, and it's a single 500 GB partition, it's probably NTFS or Fat32. What mount command are you using?
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21:51<Tarcas>fat32 = vfat under Linux's mount command.
21:51<Tarcas>Also, what kernel are you using? Debian vanilla or did you roll your own?
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21:55<rodna>Tarcas: are you still around
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21:56<rodna>I am using lenny on AMD64
21:57<Tarcas>In and out
21:57<dpkg>from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
21:57<Tarcas>does it have the ntfs drivers built in (or have you modprobed it?)
21:58<Tarcas>I would guess that it does by default, but I roll my own kernels so I don't keep up with Debian's kernel settings
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22:37<azukee>how goes it m8 ? :p
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22:39<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
22:42<marc_>Good, yourself?
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22:43<azukee>im, good thank you :
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22:51<ty5479>Okay, I just did a freshinstall of Debian. When I go to terminal and type in ifconfig to get the ipaddress I get the following output "bash: ifconfig command not found".
22:51<ty5479>What am i doing wrong?
22:51<Tarcas>you're not root, so /sbin is not in your path. Type /sbin/ifconfig
22:51<newsense>root ?
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22:52<ty5479>Thank you.
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22:57<ty5479>I have recently migrated from ubuntu to debian (Due to the latest version of ubutnu not wanting to work for whatever reasN). But I had something in there called Restricted drivers manager for my 7900GT. But I am not seeing this in this, Can I download it? Or Should i just Envy?
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22:58<gsimmons>ty5479: You'd want to use the Debian nvidia packages.
22:58<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
22:59<Tuv0k>ty5479, dude just download the nvidia package from nvidia and compile your own module like anyone else
23:00<Tuv0k>make sure you have the kernel headers
23:00<Tuv0k>and binutils, or build-essential
23:00<RIVE>ty5479, i use the Nvidia binaries, but if your using Lenny with the last kernel 2.6.25 wonk work.
23:00<Tuv0k>then set the gccto 4.1 and kill X and run the script
23:01<ty5479>Is Lenny version 5?
23:01<ty5479>Tuv0k: I would like to, But I honestly dont know how. I'm still trying ot learn the basics.
23:01<ty5479>Is there a step by step thing I can go off of?
23:01<Tuv0k>I just told you
23:01<Tuv0k>I'll walk you through it
23:01<Tuv0k>download the package from nvidia
23:01<RIVE>Is weird the 2.6.25 kernel for AMD64 works fine the 2.6.25 686 don't.
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23:02<Tuv0k>make sure you have the linux-headers for your kernel
23:02<Tuv0k>apt-get install build-essentials
23:02<Tuv0k>export CC=ggg-4.1
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23:03<Tuv0k>export CC=gcc-4.1
23:03<Tuv0k>then ./Nvidiaf00
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23:03<RIVE> the solution for that bug, Nvidia binary ina a 2.6.25-686 kernel
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23:05<ty5479>When i do apt-get install build-essentials it says reading package list done, building dependency tree, reading state informationn....done then E: Couldn't find package buil-essentials
23:05<ty5479>Do I need to add a repository somewhere?
23:05<ty5479>Thanks Rive
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23:06<dondelelcaro>ty5479: build-essentials is in main. If you don't have it, you either don't have a full Debian mirror, or you aren't running Debian.
23:07<ty5479>How do I know if I have full debian mirror?
23:07<dondelelcaro>ty5479: apt-cache policy; will tell you.
23:07<ty5479>I actulaly installed this using netinst
23:07<dondelelcaro>ty5479: assuming something like deb http://blahblah main; is listed, then you're ok. If not, you'll need to add one.
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23:09<RIVE>ty5479, Did you modify /etc/apt/sources.list to comment the line that tell apt to grab the packages from the cd?
23:09<ty5479>it was all automatic
23:09<ty5479>I didnt change a thing
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23:10<RIVE>You have to change it, your system is only reading the contents of the netinstall cd.
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23:10<JimInVa>Evening all -- anyone care to help a n00b set up wireless? I've got drivers install -- I think, but no luck connecting.
23:12<ty5479>Hmm the cdrom is commented out. and I have main
23:12<ty5479>so everything apperas to be good
23:12<ty5479>I'm glad you guys are more helpful then the #ubuntu-help
23:13<RIVE>ty5479, check the file it has two lines to read the cd.
23:13<ty5479># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux LennyBeta2 _Lenny_ - Official Beta i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080608-11:24]/ lenny main
23:13<ty5479>#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux LennyBeta2 _Lenny_ - Official Beta i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080608-11:24]/ lenny main
23:13<ty5479>deb lenny main
23:13<ty5479>deb-src lenny main
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23:14<ty5479>How do I copy and paste without getting marked for flooding?
23:14<RIVE>ty5479, try as root
23:14<RIVE>aptitude update
23:14<gsimmons>JimInVa: Which driver did you install for your Ralink RT61 device?
23:14<JimInVa>gsimmons rt61
23:14<RIVE>ty5479, then aptitude upgrade
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23:15<ty5479>What did aptitude upgrade do?
23:15<JimInVa>gsimmons - I downloaded the driver from and compiled it. Don't ask me how I did it. I just followed the recipe.
23:15<blarson>!tell ty5479 about paste
23:16<JimInVa>gsimmons - Card is active and blinking and reports its MAC, but no connection to my WLAN.
23:16<RIVE>ty5479, will apdate the repositoryes of the packages, when done you can install build-essential.
23:17<JimInVa>gsimmons - I am having diff changing params with iwconfig. It doesn't appear to accept changes, for example, to essid.
23:17<ty5479>Cool, It worked
23:17<RIVE>ty5479, Are you using that computer as your Desktop?
23:18<ty5479>Actually its my secondary computer hooked up to my TV
23:18<JimInVa>FTLOG someone please! I'm so close I can taste that wireless goodness, but I just can't REACH it!
23:18<gsimmons>JimInVa: You've installed the legacy driver. This is fine, but most development efforts (eg. bug fixes and enhancements) are focused on the enhanced legacy driver (from the rt2x00 project) and to a larger extent on the rt61pci driver (also from rt2x00).
23:19<JimInVa>gsimmons - I tried to install rt2500, but nothing. There doesn't appear to be an rt2600 out there.
23:19<RIVE>ty5479, you will nedd more repos to use that equipment as a desktop, add contrib and non-free to the sources.list file.
23:19<ty5479>I was just using ubuntu at my media center PC. But then I started to get SRST errno -16, Then I couldnt even boot off of a live CD. So i decided to go was basical debian which has worked great so far. Just my lack of knowledge
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23:20<ty5479>Rive: What do I actulaly put in there line for line?, Do I just type in apt-cache add contrib then non-free?
23:21<ty5479>If I do that I get "E: unimplemented"
23:22<RIVE>ty5479, in the line whee you see something like this... deb lenny main , joust add contrib and non-free save the file and do aptitude update
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23:23<JimInVa>gsimmons - OK found the rt61 at the serial monkey site. So -- I gotta do all that Make stuff again, with this driver?
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23:23<JimInVa>Shoot me now.
23:24<JimInVa>Well, thanks all. Back to the trenches. gsimmons, thanks again.
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23:24<RIVE>ty5479, for Debian multimedia you have to add... deb lenny main to that file too.
23:25<RIVE>What is the page to paste?
23:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:27<RIVE>Thanks qq.
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23:27<RIVE>ty5479, there is my sources.list file.
23:28<ty5479>okay, that should speed things up
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23:30<ty5479>Already did,
23:31<ty5479>Thanks for your help Rive.
23:31<RIVE>No problem.
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23:33<ty5479>Rive: could you cehck that out at the bottom. Im getting a GPG error
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23:35<qq>ty5479: aptitude install debian-keyring
23:35<RIVE>ty5479, ok, sorry my mistake, if you add the compiz repo you have to add the gpg key, allowme.
23:35<ty5479>Do I just do what QQ told me to do?
23:36<ty5479>What exactly is the different between aptitude and apt-get?
23:36<RIVE>That works to.
23:36<ty5479>like what is their functionality
23:37<ty5479>just want to know, So i can actually learn
23:37<qq>read the manual
23:37<RIVE>If youn want the gpg for compiz type as root... wget -O- | apt-key add
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23:39<ty5479>err ignore that
23:40<ty5479>whats that -0- for?
23:41<dondelelcaro>output to stdout
23:41<dondelelcaro>though you generally shouldn't add keys like that
23:41<dondelelcaro>you want to get them, check that they're signed by keys that you trust, and then consider adding them
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23:48<ty5479>Hmm, I'md oing updates. I'm actually getting stuck on "Setting up libpostproc51 (3:20080706-0.2)...
23:48<ty5479>Its only been like 1 minute. But seems slow compared to the others.
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23:52<ty5479>Hmm its been like 5 minutes now.
23:53<ty5479>There we go, damn me for not being patient
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23:55<RIVE>ty5479, depending where you live our your ISP the sites where the diferent repos are, the download will vary, there is a way to check that but i don't remember it.
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23:57<ty5479>Oh, that would make sense.
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