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01:44<hachi>is there an easy way to provide multiple platform netboot images on a network with the debian configs?
01:44<hachi>the docs only cover doing a single platform
01:44<hachi>I guess there are only two possible choices anyways
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01:45<Syntax>hmm
01:45<Syntax>good question
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01:46<Syntax>not that I know of
01:46<Syntax>the tftp server will present the boot image
01:46<Syntax>you can probably segregate it between subnets
01:46<hachi>well, I mean more like... a menu choice
01:47<Syntax>not happening
01:47<hachi>so I can choose x86 or x86_64 at boot time
01:47<Syntax>the tftp server decides what is pushed out
01:47<hachi>since they can use the same pxelinux, and the same menu structure
01:47<gsimmons>hachi: Sure. You can set up a boot menu via PXELINUX, pointing to the relevant Debian netboot images (with approriate kernel/initrd options, etc).
01:47<Syntax>gsimmons: for bootp?
01:48<Syntax>I think he means bootp
01:48<Syntax>hachi: bootp or netboot?
01:48<hachi>bootp... gsimmons said pxelinux
01:48<hachi>they're both present in the tftp boot process
01:49<hachi>or arguably DHCP, but whatever...
01:49<Syntax>I stand corrected, then
01:49<Syntax>if you have a choice, then you're good
01:49<Syntax>I never saw that, though
01:49<Syntax>and my experience with bootp installations is very minimal
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01:50<Syntax>so you can get a boot menu in bootp installations?
01:50<hachi>yeah
01:51<hachi>I know you've been able to for at least two years now
01:51<Syntax>probably so, it's not something I do often
01:51<Syntax>and not with multiple platforms
01:51<jm_>new version of syslinux does has the option of automatically selecting 32bit or 64bit kernel
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01:52<Syntax>jm_: which ver?
01:52<hachi>jm_: I'll read up on that
01:52<hachi>I had no idea there would be an auto-picker... that would be even better :)
01:52<jm_>Syntax: the latest
01:53<jm_>and apparently they have LUA module in development for scripting - not bad, maybe syslinux will become a better choice than GRUB2 :P
01:54<jm_>ahh no grub2 will have scripting too
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01:54<hachi>grub2 is actually kinda shiney to me
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01:54<hachi>I've already got it going on a few machines
01:54<jm_>i'm an idiot, it already has scripting, i remember the tests in debian config files to use gfx module
01:55<jm_>but it's rather minimalistic
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01:59<hachi>grub2 is lovably modular
01:59<Syntax>I stick with lilo
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02:02<hachi>jm_: sorry to bug you, but do you happen to know the picker? I'm not seeing it in the docs here
02:03<hachi>I do see how it says it has the feature
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02:04<hachi>oh, it's a module of some kind
02:04<jm_>hachi: not really, I just read the changelog - I suppose reading the source code would shed some light on it
02:04<hachi>yeah, I'm doing that already, found more clues than the docs
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02:20<rgnr>what is tcl scripting?
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02:50<hachi>rgnr: it's a language
02:50<hachi>most people pronounce it 'tickle' that I've heard
02:51<rgnr>cool
02:51<rgnr>10x
02:51<hachi>mm
02:51<hachi>huh... apt does http piplining... this is going to make my life difficult
02:54<reggae>hi guys, i need to get my usb wifi work on my ibook with debian lenny installed....it used to work, but not after i reinstalled the whole system (infact i followed all the instruction correctly), and still no luck....im using a dlink dwa110 which uses ralink rt73 chipset....
02:54<gsimmons>reggae: See my prevous comment to you.
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03:00<reggae>gsimmons: hi again, i checked my kernel, its 2.6.25 (using uname -r), and i did apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-powerpc, still no luck,but i realize theres abit error at the end when i try to "make load" compat wireless...ill paste the error later, and so i use another alternative way by getting the drivers from serialmonkey, during the process, i saw the usb wifi was blinking several times, after reboot, theres nothing happen, even ifc
03:03<reggae>gsimmons: wait pasting error in process...
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03:16<reggae>gsimmons: heres the error : http://paste.debian.net/14024 .....
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03:19<gsimmons>reggae: FYI, you can skip "make load". You know that rt73usb is the desired module, "modprobe -r rt73usb; modprobe rt73usb" after the "make install" step will suffice. You will also need to pastebin your dmesg output.
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03:20<reggae>ok hold up
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03:22<reggae>gsimmons: i get the same error (from line 23-41) in http://paste.debian.net/14024 when i was trying to "modprobe rt73usb"...im now doing the dmseg thing...
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03:27<reggae_>gsimmons: heres the output of dmesg : http://paste.debian.net/14025 .....it certainly looks very unfriendly to me....:(
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03:29<reggae_>gsimmons: it seems theres something that doesnt match my driver,...
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03:31<Ash># Appears as ARMANDO
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03:32<qq>!prepost!
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03:33<reggae_>gsimmons: heres theoutput of dmesg : http://paste.debian.net/14025 .....it certainly looks very unfriendlyto me....(retype the msg, cus i think i acidently quit...just incase u din receive it)
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03:35<reggae_>or maybe i mess up the drivers....
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03:37<gsimmons>reggae_: It was received both times. Just trying a build of compat-wireless 2008-08-06 with 2.6.25-2-powerpc.
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03:39<reggae_>gsimmons: owh, sorry, just incase u did not receive it...;) ....btw should i use back the june version of compat wireless?
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03:44<Ash>(#G010E010M1) oic
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03:45<reggae_>gsimmons: would it be easier if i try the drivers that came from serialmonkey and use the "RUTILT" app...
03:45<Zoup>do you know any music player with remote api ?
03:45<reggae_>i used that earlier...but notworking now
03:46<jm_>what should remote api do?
03:46<gsimmons>reggae_: IIRC, the 2008-06-25 build worked for you (WRT 2.6.24) when you did this back in June. Wait until I'm done with this recent build.
03:46<rgnr>is it ok to upgrade to lenny?
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03:46<Zoup>jm_: like xmms-remote , next , previus , pause , stop , etc
03:47<reggae_>gsimmons: ok thanks pal...
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03:47<jm_>Zoup: xmms supports that as you already noted
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03:47<Zoup>jm_: but xmms is dead :) and im looking for a console based one
03:48<jm_>Zoup: xmms2 has it too
03:49<Zoup>jm_: unfortunately its not console based
03:49<jm_>Zoup: uhm xmms2d has no gui at all, it's just a daemon so yes it very much runs on console
03:49<Zoup>jm_: really ? hummm!
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03:49<Zoup>jm_: thank you jm_ ,, you are always helpful
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03:50<jm_>Zoup: but I am not sure if there's a nice tty based interface for it ala say mp3blaster
03:50<hachi>is debian-unofficial dead?
03:51<hachi>it looks like it's 2+ years old, hasn't been updated since then
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03:52<qq>!preinst
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03:53<qq> error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.30_m68k.deb (--unpack):
03:53<qq>trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/remove-shell', which is also in package passwd
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04:17<gsimmons>reggae_: WRT the D-Link DWA-110, the rt73usb version included in Debian 2.6.25 kernels already supports it (ref. rt73usb.c, line 2103). You don't need to manually supply drivers from compat-wireless or rt2x00 sources. Just go ahead and use the thing.
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04:20<reggae_>gsimmons: thanks again, but how do i use it when its not functioning....theres no light and it couldnt detect the wifi? though it can detect the usb tru lsusb...
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04:24<gsimmons>reggae_: You've somehow botched your rt2x00 modules. Remove the /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-powerpc/updates directory. Assuming your previous application of the serialmonkey sources overwrote the kernel-supplied rt2x00 modules, reinstall the 'linux-image-2.6.25-2-powerpc' package. Remove and reinsert the rt73usb module.
04:27<reggae_>gsimmons: in progress, brb
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04:36<reggae>gsimmons: i rm -rf the /updates already, but im stuck reinstalling the linux-image-2.6.25-2-powerpc when i "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.25-2-powerpc " it says its already the newest version, how do i remove it and install it?
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04:38<gsimmons>reggae: No, you would want to reinstall. Provide the --reinstall option to apt-get.
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04:41<reggae_>gsimmons: perhaps an example of how to reinstall? im not pretty sure about this step...
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04:44<gsimmons>reggae_: Just include "--reinstall" in your previously supplied apt-get command.
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04:44<reggae_>so its going to be : apt-get install –-reinstall linux-image....?
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04:47<buffoon>hi, is it possible that the intel gma driver is broken in sid atm?
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04:54<Zoup>kernel question : if i set HIGHMEM support to 64 , i need PAE extension on CPU , but will that image work on machines with small amount of ram even if i got PAE ?
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04:55<buffoon>oh, just saw that the dist-upgrade hung in the middle... now it processes the rest...
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04:57<reggae_>gsimmons: thanks, i had successfully reinstall linux-image, anyways, about the last step, u meant remove/reinsert the hardware or the software?
04:58<reggae_>cus it didnt work, just to make sure things ;)
04:58<jm_>software
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05:00<reggae_>jm_: how do i do that either?
05:00<reggae_>rm -rf?
05:01<jm_>reggae_: no, rmmod
05:01<reggae_>so its going to be "rmmod rt73usb module"?
05:01<jm_>without the word module :)
05:01<reggae_>ok thanks :)
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05:03<reggae_>gsimmons, jm_: the wifi still couldnt be detected after i did the "rmmod rt73usb"..
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05:04<reggae_>i guess another reformat n reinstall could cure the problem?
05:04<reggae_>:)
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05:04<gsimmons>reggae_: Oh sure. Because this obviously worked for you the last eight times.
05:04<gsimmons>reggae_: You need to modprobe the module after you have removed it.
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05:06<reggae_>gsimmons: lol....ok so its "modprobe -v rt73"
05:07<gsimmons>reggae_: No, the module's name is "rt73usb". You may want to make a note of this.
05:08<buffoon>is it dangerous to move a partition from the middle to the beginning?
05:08<reggae_>gsimmons: copy that
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05:14<sander_m>Hi all. I am trying to set up some form of wildcard DNS for my local machine only. In /etc/hosts I have "127.0.0.1 marvin" but I would like anything.marvin to point to 127.0.0.1 on my machine. I read that /etc/hosts doesn't support wildcards, but surely there is a simpler solution than running a full local DNS server just to make *.marvin point to 127.0.0.1?
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05:28<reggae_>gsimmons: i did modprobe -v rt73usb, still no lucK, is there any additional steps?
05:29<gsimmons>reggae_: Does the module load without error? (ie. no errors printed at console/dmesg).
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05:33<reggae_>im not sure, but it seems theres no error when i modprobe it, however ill paste the result of the modprobe + dmesg...
05:33<reggae_>gsimmons:^^^
05:35<gsimmons>reggae_: Remember that firmware is required for this device before its radio can be activated. Ensure you have installed the 'firmware-ralink' package from non-free.
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05:40<eddieB>if i run FireFox from Wne. will i get the same speeds as Iceweasel? or will the emulation slow it down?
05:40<aptituz>whats wne?
05:40<eddieB>Wine*
05:40<aptituz>wine is no emulation
05:41<eddieB>oh, will the speeds be the same?
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05:41<aptituz>hard to say. possibly not if some form of graphic intensive operations are involved, as in flash, vrml or alike
05:42<aptituz>eddieB: but however there is no sane reason to run firefox in wine, is it?
05:42<reggae>gsimmons: heres the output of modprobe (no errors) + output of dmesg (with same errors) = http://paste.debian.net/14030
05:43<eddieB>aptituz: i can't get iceweasel/any other browser to run. so my last resort is Wine
05:43<aptituz>hu?
05:44<eddieB>aptituz: ?
05:45<aptituz>I don't really understand your problem
05:45<eddieB>iceweasel opens for a split second then closes
05:47<aptituz>so did you ever tried to start it from a console and see why it fails?
05:47<aptituz>s/tried/try/g
05:47<gsimmons>reggae: The output looks to be fine. Run "ifconfig -a" to verify the existence of your device.
05:48<eddieB>aptituz: yes. in total i've spent about 12 hours talking to 7 different people. none of them can figure out what's wrong..
05:48<reggae>gsimmons: btw do u mean that after i update my linux-headers, linux-images theres no need for compat-wirless n the "rutilt" to get the wifi working?
05:49<reggae>since debian lenny had updated their source.?
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05:49<aptituz>eddieB: well, but no problem is unsolvable.
05:49<aptituz>can't imagine that your problem can be so hard, that its not possible to find a better solution as using wine
05:49<themill>eddieB: have you tried -safe-mode? fresh profile? fresh user?
05:50<eddieB>aptituz: i've tried safe mode. but not a fresh profile
05:50<aptituz>eddieB: themill asked the question, not me.
05:50<aptituz>eddieB: try it with a fresh profile.
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05:51<eddieB>sorry. will try. brb
05:51<aptituz>mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bak && iceweasel
05:52<reggae>gsimmons: i ran "ifconfig -a" there seems no wlan0 or wireless adapter detected, i can only see eth0 and lo...
05:52<gsimmons>reggae: Although use of it was required on 2.6.24, you've no need for the compat-wireless with your device on 2.6.25 and later kernels. You can remove the linux-headers and other development-related packages if necessary.
05:53<gsimmons>reggae: What does "/sbin/modinfo rt73usb | grep -w version" output?
05:53<reggae>gsimmons: sorry made a mistake, i unplug n plug it in and then "ifconfig -a" now theres wlan0 and wmaster, so how do i get it working now...its pretty excited now...;)
05:54<gsimmons>reggae: What do you mean "how do i get it working now"? We went over this back in June!
05:55<reggae>gsimmons: whoops, sorry perhaps getting too excited isnt good at all, ok ill try to cope back what i remembered back in june,
05:55<reggae>brb
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06:01<aniki>hi again. i am wondering how i would go about this external hdd of mine. it was in a ntfs raid and hasnt been formatted since. now i try to connect it to my laptop via usb and want to format it anew. problem is that gparted seems to try and find the end of the raid/hdd and wont ever finish finding it .. is there a force format or something for this ?
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06:06<reggae>gsimmons: hi again, i tried to activate it by "ifconfig -a wlan0 up", saw theres light, but it aint blinking, and so i ignore it n make another attempt by "dhclient wlan0", it saws the dhcp not active and sleeping...is there anything my miss out back in june? i guess there is, as i had a bad memory, i think ill write it down from now on...:(
06:06<reggae>says=saws*
06:07<reggae>my=i*
06:08<jm_>aniki: don't use parted?
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06:10<gsimmons>reggae: You need to inform your interface with details about the wireless network. At the very least, an ESSID. Install the 'wireless-tools' package and read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian to refresh your memory (see also "man iwconfig"). "/msg dpkg wpa" if you want to connect to a WPA/WPA2-protected network.
06:10<eddieB>aptituz: tried with a new user and it still doesn't work
06:10<aptituz>so what does it output if you start it on a console?
06:11<aniki>jm_, i tried gparted but it wont get over the initial screen where it searches for devices
06:11<eddieB>http://i36.tinypic.com/bfgmzm.png
06:11<jm_>aniki: yes, I said don't use gparted, there's loads of tools to do the job
06:12<jm_>eddieB: what screen depth are you running at?
06:12<reggae>gsimmons: ok, ill try
06:12<eddieB>jm_: how do i find that out?
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06:12<aptituz>eddieB: it would help if you wouldn't post screenshots but the output on a page such as nopaste
06:13<themill>eddieB: btw what did you use to make the screenshot?
06:13<eddieB>aptituz: i can't copy from VNC on a Mac, it's weird..
06:13<aniki>well .. which tools ?
06:13<eddieB>themill: Command + Shift + 4 on a Mac.
06:14<aptituz>(not that I ever would give such a tip but) did you ever considered reinstalling your system? :D
06:14<themill>eddieB: yeah, I asked that before I realised you were on vnc
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06:14<jm_>eddieB: xdpyinfo
06:15<eddieB>aptituz: yes, if i can't get this working by tomorrow that's probably what i'll do
06:17<eddieB>jm_: 8 planes
06:17<jm_>eddieB: that must be it - someone else was here with a similar problem
06:17<eddieB>jm_: so this can be fixed?
06:18<jm_>eddieB: well two things: a) file an enhancement request for cairo if it doesn't exist yet (it probably does), b) run vnc in 24bpp if it supports it (this might slow down things)
06:20<aniki>like .. it wont even show as mounted when i use mount. the hdd spins so i know SOMETHING is trying to access it, although the autoloaders for exchangable datasystems have been turned off ... so .. how on earth would i even NAME this usb or what would i even look for ?!
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06:20<reggae>gsimmons: u RULE! thanks, i successfully installed my wifi, does that method same when it goes to apple airport card?
06:20<jm_>ahh the screenshot even mentiones the depth
06:21<eddieB>jm_: where do i input 24bpp? in the options tab?
06:21<jm_>eddieB: which version of cairo do you have installed?
06:22<eddieB>jm_: libcairo2
06:22<jm_>eddieB: no version, that's package name
06:22<eddieB>jm_: ii libcairo2 1.2.4-4.1+etch1 The Cairo 2D vector graphics library ?
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06:23<jm_>eddieB: right it's apparently fixed in a newer version
06:24<eddieB>jm_: so i should install the new version?
06:25<jm_>eddieB: there is no newer version for your Debian release
06:26<eddieB>jm_: okay. so running VNC in 24bpp will fix this? if so, how do i do that?
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06:26<KammyDoe>Greetings
06:26<gsimmons>reggae: np. The original Apple AirPort cards use the Hermes chipset and thus a different driver (airport, part of orinoco). These drivers are included with the kernel, no firmware needs to be provided. You can configure an AirPort using iwconfig/ifupdown similarly to your rt73-based device, but the orinoco drivers aren't WPA-capable (although patches for this are in orinoco-devel).
06:27<jm_>eddieB: possibly, it has -depth switch but it's only useful in certain cases
06:28<eddieB>jm_: okay, i'll try that. but i'm not sure how. i'm looking through options but i don't see where i'd input that
06:28<jm_>eddieB: vncviewer -d 24 host or somesuch
06:29<KammyDoe>How can I add experimental and testing sources to my /etc/apt/sources.lst ?
06:29<eddieB>jm_: ?
06:29<jm_>KammyDoe: don't
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06:29<reggae>gsimmons: so airport card and my dlink doesnt need anymore firmware like i say previously (compat-wireless & ralink source), as everything is included in the new kernel that debian lenny provided..?
06:30<KammyDoe>jm_: why not?
06:30<jm_>!tell KammyDoe -about experimental
06:31<themill>KammyDoe: if you have to ask, you shouldn't
06:31<KammyDoe>I meant, what was the URL.
06:31<KammyDoe>>_>
06:32<aniki>and parted says that dev/sda1 /where usually those usb drives connect to cant be opened due to an incorrect disklabel
06:32<gsimmons>reggae: That's correct. The drivers to support both devices are already provided in the Debian stock 2.6.25 kernel. You just need to provide firmware for your D-Link DWA-110 ('firmware-ralink' package), then configure the devices as necessary.
06:32<themill>KammyDoe: think of it as a test of your self-sufficiency.... if you can't find that out yourself then you're not going to be able to solve the problems that experimental brings, are you?
06:32<eddieB>jm_: i'm still lost. when i type "vncviewer -d 24" i get "vncviewer: command not found"
06:32<jm_>eddieB: so you're not starting vnc viewer on debian?
06:33<KammyDoe>eddieB: then you don't have vncviewer...
06:33<jm_>eddieB: ahh try xvncviewer
06:33<reggae>gsimmons: this calls for celebration ;)
06:33<eddieB>jm_: same, command not found
06:34<gsimmons>reggae: If you can refrain from reinstallation, I'd be appreciative. :)
06:34<jm_>eddieB: then I can't help you with your version of vnc viewer
06:34<eddieB>jm_: am i supposed to be typing this in on Debian or my Mac?
06:34<reggae>gsimmons: nope, n never ;)
06:35<jm_>eddieB: well wherever you start vnc viewer - if it's a mac, it's probably some gui thing
06:35<reggae>gsimmons: btw is there anyway to automatically start the wlan after every reboot, so i don't need to activate it everytime i reboot.?
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06:37<eddieB>m_: so open terminal on my Mac and type "vncviewer -d 24 host"?
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06:38<KammyDoe>Mac dosen't come with a built in vncviewer, eddieB. IIRC, that is.
06:38<KammyDoe>Mac/OS X/whatever
06:38<jm_>eddieB: no - try to find it in the gui
06:38<gsimmons>reggae: Sure. See the interfaces(5) man page, particularly the auto and allow-hotplug stanzas.
06:39<eddieB>jm_: what exactly am i looking for in gui?
06:40<jm_>eddieB: an option to change bitdepth
06:41<aniki>ah fucksocks ... isnt there any way where i can just kill anything on the usb drive ? but how can i do it when it wont even show as a connected device ?
06:42<eddieB>jm_: i can't find it. i found a Host tab though.
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06:43<jm_>aniki: fdisk + mkfs
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06:45<aniki>fdisk tells me its unable to read dev/sda1
06:45<reggae>gsimmons: do i need to specify my essid and wep keys since it uses auto dhcp?
06:47<aniki>o.o fdisk -l shows it finds it ... sooo lesseeeee
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06:48<jm_>fdisk /dev/sda
06:48<s3v3n>hi, anyone around to give some support with ping timeout.
06:49<s3v3n>I think it might be a simple solution, but not sure.
06:50<gsimmons>reggae: Yes. Access point association occurs prior to a DHCP request.
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06:51<s3v3n>problem is, I try to issue a ping request, first ping works correctly.
06:51<s3v3n>if I try to ping right after the first one, whatever IP I ping times out.
06:51<s3v3n>with 100% packetloss.
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06:52<s3v3n>anyone know why?
06:52<s3v3n>debian etch, btw.
06:53<aniki>jm_, its wirting inode tables now .. which i guess is good :D thank you alot
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06:55<s3v3n>curious if kernel is limiting ping request
06:57<jm_>aniki: hopefully you haven't run mkfs /dev/sda
06:57<s3v3n>anyone know?
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06:58<reggae>gsimmons: but how do i specify for it? is it by just adding a line of ESSID: ..... and a line of wep:123456789. after line iface wlan0 inet dhcp will do?
06:58<s3v3n>anyone know why a 2nd request, issues right after a first request will come back as a 100% packetloss?
07:02<s3v3n>:/
07:02<gsimmons>reggae: See the examples within /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian. The relevant statement is "wireless-key". It takes the same value as iwconfig's "key" parameter, refer to iwconfig's man page.
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07:09<aniki>jm_, yes thats what i did ... now .. what is wrong with that comman......
07:09<aniki>*command
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07:10<jm_>aniki: use fdisk to partition it first, then mkfs it
07:10<aniki>jm_, i deleted the partitions on the drive, and then used mkfs
07:11<aniki>should i stop mkfs and do fdisk ?
07:11<jm_>aniki: yes
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07:17<aniki>extended or primary? i think extended ? :)
07:19<jm_>doesn't matter
07:20<reggae>gsimmons: kinda complicated, some i understand and some i don't, however heres my interfaces : http://paste.debian.net/14038 , am i correct?
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07:23<gsimmons>reggae: Are you associating to an access point, or another computer?
07:23<Gekz>or your neighbour?
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07:23<reggae>gsimmons: accesspoint
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07:26<jok>hi
07:28<gsimmons>reggae: Use something like http://paste.debian.net/14041 instead.
07:28<weissi>btw.: `wireless-mode managed` is correct for access points NOT ad-hoc
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07:31<gsimmons>reggae: Actually, the value for wireless-key needs to be written as "s:abcdabcdabcd" if you are specifying this as ASCII.
07:31<Gekz>I hate wep
07:32<aniki>after creating an extended partition table and trying to use mkfs on it i get: /dev/sda1: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library beim Erstellen des Superblocks
07:33<reggae>gsimmons: so its going to be "wireless-key s:abcdabcdabcd"?
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07:33<jm_>you need to create logical drives inside extended partition
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07:34<gsimmons>reggae: That's right.
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07:36<reggae>gsimmons: ok ill reboot now, see if i could just use internet straight away without everytime activate it in rutilt or "ifconfig -a wlan0 up"...
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07:39<reggae>gsimmons: its still needs to b activated by rutilt or "ifconfig -a wlan0 up" after i reboot...am i doing sumting wrong?
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07:42<Lethalman>hello
07:42<Lethalman>does anyone realize why the boot jumps from 9 seconds to 41 seconds? http://paste.debian.net/14042/
07:42<Lethalman>this is the result of dmesg
07:43<Lethalman>it happened with all kernel versions i've used with debian
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07:51<aniki>is there a programm whereby i could mount this newly born linux drive in windows xp ?
07:52<jm_>yes
07:52<jm_>alternatively use a filesystem that works natively on both
07:52<s3v3n>jm, are you familiar with debian etch?
07:53<aniki>such as which filesystem? had an ntfs drive and gives me nothing but hate under linux.
07:54<themill>aniki: there's a Ext2FS driver for windows, but last time I looked at it you had to fsck your filesystem after using it because it was talking ext2 not ext3 so it never left the fs in a clean state.
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07:55<jm_>s3v3n: more or less yes
07:55<jm_>aniki: vfat for example
07:56<s3v3n>jm, would you maybe know why, if I issue two ping commands back to back.
07:56<s3v3n>the 2nd ping will come back with a 100% loss.
07:56<s3v3n>ex. ping c1 IP
07:56<jm_>s3v3n: can you please use jm_? (i really need to fix my autoreply regex) -- try tcpdumping your interface
07:56<s3v3n>ping c2 IPx2
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07:56<s3v3n>yes, i'm sorry jm_
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07:57<s3v3n>jm_, how would I go about doing that?
07:58<jm_>s3v3n: tcpdump -w /tmp/pcap.dump -s 0, ping it, wait a few secs, ctrl-c tcpdump
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08:00<s3v3n>still does same thing.
08:00<s3v3n>ex.
08:00<jm_>that is only a debugging tool
08:00<s3v3n>ping -c1 69.64.53.44 comes back fine
08:00<jm_>it didn't change anything
08:00<s3v3n>ping -c1 69.64.53.44 2nd time, will 100%loss
08:01<s3v3n>back to back
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08:02<gsimmons>reggae: Not sure. Does "ifup wlan0" work as expected when the system is started?
08:04<reggae>gsimmons: hold on, trying....
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08:07<reggae>gsimmons: i think its ok, i prefer using rutilt since it can scan and use anywhere, its kinda inconvenient for me to edit interfaces everytime, since ill b bringing my ibook here n there....btw, mind if i ask u another favor, its very simple..
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08:07<reggae>gsimmons: i would wanna repeat the procedure to get my wifi working, incase theres any reinstallation for whole system...
08:08<reggae>AS IN "incase" ;)
08:09<gsimmons>reggae: You weren't taking notes?
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08:10<Lethalman>i've a wi-fi usb pen
08:11<Lethalman>but i can let it work only when loaded automatically at boot
08:11<Lethalman>if now i remove it then insert it again, i can't let the networking work
08:11<Lethalman>what are the operations to perform when attaching such device?
08:11<reggae>gsimmons: ok so here it goes : 1.) get latest linux-image and linux-headers 2.) get wireless-tools 3.) update usb by "update-usbids" 4.) apt-get install firmware-ralink 5.) modprobe -v rt73usb 5.) gedit /etc/network/interfaces (correctly) 6.) install rutilt 7.) use it! am i correct...yes im writing all from a-z now..
08:11<Lethalman>i'm using gnome and network-manager
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08:18<gsimmons>reggae: You can remove 'linux-headers-*' from step 1, and can also omit steps 3 and 5a (udev would have loaded rt73usb for you). If using "rutilt" supersedes use of /etc/network/interfaces, you can also omit step 5b.
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08:21<reggae>gsimmons: again i have to say thanks alot pal....u r one big help in this channel.
08:22<reggae>thanks alot...
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08:37<cmot>yodel!
08:38<cmot>Should "icmp redirect" basically Just Work(tm) or are there traps?
08:38<cmot>I have a network where one part is unfortunately behind a different router than the default router.
08:39<cmot>... but distributing routing tables to all devices is a pain, so the default router basically is set up to route traffic to that additional network to the correct router.
08:39<cmot>as far as I understand, it does then issue icmp redirect messages.
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08:41<cmot>(... and through which iptables chains would these packets go? I'd assume FORWARD even though input and output interface are the same here. correct?)
08:42<aniki>is there a good viewer for rar files ? p7zip does it in the console, but i wanna clicky..
08:43<cmot>anibal__, ark?
08:43<cmot>(not sure if it supports rar, but its a decent archive viewer, if you use kde)
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08:46<cmot>grrrr. icmp redirect causes NEWNOTSYN matches in ipcop. Which is before the CUSTOMFORWARD chain so I need to put it into FORWARD directly. Oh, well...
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08:52<zxxd>how do i make update-grub script not overwrite what i put after savedefault
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09:04<aniki>how do i change the access rights for my usb hdd ? atm only root may access it
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09:17<Lethalman>aniki, that's strange
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09:17<Lethalman>which version of debian? which DE?
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09:17<aniki>http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-88531.html same problems as all these people have
09:18<aniki>and no real quick solution besides formatting again
09:18<Lethalman>ext3 usb hdd?
09:19<aniki>that or ext2 .. no idea what it automaticly formats in
09:20<Lethalman>are you in the right group for accessing such devs?
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09:22<aniki>no clue. how do i change access right so everyone can read and write
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09:22<Lethalman>you can check in your udev rules
09:23<aniki>... yes ... that might be an idea... ... ... how ?
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09:25<aniki>ahhh nautilus seems to work
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09:25<aniki>now to the next problem: how do i access the lost and found folder in there ?
09:26<jeremiah>I want to ditch the Linpus distribution on my new Acer One, is debootstrap the best way to go?
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09:26<jeremiah>aniki: what are the ownership rights and permissions?
09:27<aniki>good point
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09:28<aniki>nautilus again too .. can i simply delete that folder ?
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09:30<jeremiah>aniki: No - you don't need to delete it.
09:30<jeremiah>Just leave it where it is.
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09:32<aniki>it takes up 202 of space
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09:32<aniki>*20gig
09:32<aniki>without it even ever having any files on the whole hdd
09:33<jeremiah>Has anyone installed debian on the Acer One? Google is being unhelpful
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09:35<aniki>hmmm changed my permissions deleted it and it the hdd shows 20 gig used still
09:35<aniki>:/
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09:45<aniki>anyway... an internet for everyone that helped me ... don'T worry, i _will_ bother you some more :) till then...
09:46<cockroach>hrm, curious: since lenny doesn't provide dom0 support for xen and the recommended thing seems to be to run etch in dom0, does this mean the etch will get security updates as long as lenny is out there?
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09:49<petemc>cockroach: i wouldnt think so
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09:50<cockroach>petemc: soo i'll have to use some random other disto as dom0?
09:50<cockroach>s/soo/so/
09:50<petemc>if you want
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09:52<cockroach>well it's either that or debian w/o security updates. not sure which option sounds worse... :)
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09:54<jeremiah>has anyone installed debian on an acer one
09:54<jeremiah>?
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10:06<robokop>hello, i have a partman/expert-recipe, but it only makes the first two partitions => http://paste.debian.net/14054/
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10:22<jthomas>Anyone know how to build VMware with the any-any patches for 2.6.25-686 in Lenny? I found a blog post but its incredibly unclear
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10:23<themill>jthomas: the vmware-package package does this quite nicely for 2.6.24. I've not tried 2.6.25 though.
10:23<jthomas>oh i can get this through apt? i may just drop down to that kernel then
10:24<jthomas>i don't see vmware-package in Synaptic, themill
10:24<themill>jthomas: yes. packages.debian.org/vmware-package. It's only available for sid though, but it installs fine into lenny.
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10:25<jthomas>aah... ok well that failed with my guess for the APT sources.list line, any tips?
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10:26<jthomas>oh its just part of the regular repos, didn't realize that. I'll try it, thanks.
10:26<themill>jthomas: You should be able to just download the .deb from packages.debian.org/vmware-package and install it using dpkg -i.
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10:27<themill>jthomas: Normally, of course, you can't mix releases like that, but for the case of testing/unstable you often can get away with it and for this particular package, that's the intended way of doing things as it's not a package that can actually be released in a stable release (like the flashplugin package)
10:28<themill>jthomas: You may need to manually install a couple of dependencies though if you do it that way.
10:28<jthomas>k
10:29<jthomas>um so... thanks for that link above, but where do i download this from??
10:29<jthomas>oh found it, the bottom of the page
10:30<themill>jthomas: after you've installed it, follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/vmware-package
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10:31<jthomas>thank you, i was about to ask that :) installing the dependencies now
10:31<styx>q: has anyone a handy package for ToRA with Oracle support? somehow i miserably fail to compile that "§%$"§%§
10:31<styx>(debian SID)
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10:37<Onek>joine #help
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10:40<reggae>gsimmons: hey pal, u still there, i realised i had a new problem after i came back from some cafes (open air)....the problem is, when i try to scan access points using rutilt, it hangs, the light blinks at first for few times and stops...the program jam...but when im back home here, it always scans...?
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10:41<SeBaW>hi there
10:41<SeBaW>i need some help with getting my debian box to boot up
10:41<SeBaW>can someone give me a hand please ?
10:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 353] by debhelper
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10:42<SeBaW>anyone ?
10:44<SeBaW>anyway, i installed from a netinstall cd, after reboot i get stuck at "Brought up 4 CPUS"
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10:48<SeBaW>this is not much of support
10:48<SeBaW>:D
10:48<jeremiah>Hi SeBaW, I am in another chat room right now, will help when I can get away.
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10:53<jeremiah>do you get a promt SeBaW? Can you enter text at the command line?
10:53<SeBaW>nope
10:53<SeBaW>nothing like that
10:53<jeremiah>So the boot process stops with the last ling being "Brought up 4 CPUS"
10:53<SeBaW>yes
10:53<gelinas>Simple question for experienced Debian folks: I have a 40mb miniroot of Etch running in a Xen instance. Networking is up and I have a valid /etc/apt/sources.list. All I need is a simple way to re-run the installer or to get a base package list so I can start a full install from the command prompt. This HAS to be simple. What's the magical incantation?
10:54<jeremiah>gelinas: How did you run the original install?
10:56<SeBaW>jeremiah: any suggestions on what to try ?
10:57<gelinas>Xen-create-image --debootstrap --hostname foo --ip blah blah blah blah
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10:58<gelinas>I have a root shell with a populated /sbin; /bin, and a very small /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. Yes, dselect and apt-get are there. I've got everything I need for a network install but the list of packages.
10:58<jeremiah>SeBaW: I have not run into that specific problem before, but you may want to look closer at your grub file. Is it finding the vmlinuz image?
10:58<jeremiah>Is init booting?
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10:59<jeremiah>It is hard to know exactly what is happening there.
10:59<jeremiah>Check out the log files and any output from dmesg
10:59<SeBaW>jeremiah: before the line "Brought up 4 CPUS" i have a line for each CPU saying something about all of them having TSC skew, which is fiexed up later in that line
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11:00<jeremiah>I don't think the CPUs are the problem - it sounds like some kind of hardware issue.
11:00<jeremiah>Can you boot into another partition or another OS and view the log files?
11:00<matth>mmh I thought I found the holly graal with http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ but actually it runs a regular d-i, no initrd patching for having disk loopback mounted upon ntfs (like wubi/lupin for ubuntu) :/
11:00<newsense>anyone know of an easy way to add color to my logfiles ?
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11:01<SeBaW>will do that with a live cd...
11:01<SeBaW>brb
11:01<jeremiah>newsense: There definitely are packages to do that. Do aptitude search log color
11:01<rgnr>hi
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11:01<newsense>jeremiah: oh cool even better thanks
11:01<rgnr>does medibuntu repos work with debian?
11:01<jeremiah>rgnr: Well, they are cetainly going to be debs, so you can install that software.
11:02<jeremiah>The question will be does it work with your other software?
11:02<newsense>rgnr: or ya can use the unofficial debian multimedia repo
11:02<jeremiah>You can get into an unstable state if you are using incompatible versions
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11:03<jeremiah>rgnr: There are debian medical packages as well.
11:03<rgnr>i mean all those non-opensource like adobe or smth
11:03<jeremiah>Did you try those?
11:03<rgnr>like acrobat and flash and stuff
11:03<jeremiah>They will work fine, they are just not "Free Software"
11:03<jeremiah>So debian cannot package them.
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11:05<rgnr>so it;s ok to echo medibuntu repos?
11:05<rgnr>I'm kinda noob so I've got stupid questions
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11:06<jeremiah>I am not sure what you mean by "echo"
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11:06<rgnr>i mean edit sources list
11:06<Hydroxide>jeremiah: medibuntu is the ubuntu equivalent of debian multimedia, not a medical repository
11:06<rgnr>like apt-get update then
11:07<Hydroxide>rgnr: if you want something akin to medibuntu for debian, use the unofficial debian multimedia repository - google for debian multimedia
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11:07<jthomas>themill the debs (for vmware) build but not well; the uinstructions say its an unrecognized package and to use -u or -s ; when I do that I get errors such as, "failure: couldn't find library libexpat.so.0" and oncve they're build they don't install.
11:07<jeremiah>Hydroxide: Ah, thanks.
11:07<newsense>Hydroxide: i told dpkg to tell him about few minutees ago
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11:07<Hydroxide>newsense: ok
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11:08<rgnr>Hydroxide: 10x hydro
11:08<themill>jthomas: no idea... I've not used them extensively and they worked fine for me when I did use them.
11:08<rgnr>Hydroxide: how do i add'em?
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11:09<SH>Hi there
11:09<Hydroxide>rgnr: sources.list, as you thought. just remember that they're not actually part of debian, so #debian may be less helpful than for official debian packages, and things like the Debian bug system are inappropriate to use for the debian multimedia repository
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11:09<jthomas>yeah, i am just going back to 2.6.18 i guess, I've spent over an hour on this b.s. How hard is it to move from vmware to an in-kernel, in-Debain virtual machine? would I have to reinstall my VMs?
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11:10<SH>anyone knows which SAN storage vendor out there supports Debian Linux?
11:10<rgnr>heh
11:10<rgnr>where can i check if i gave stable or etch?
11:10<reggae>i need help guys, after i came back from some cafes (open air)....the problem is, when i try to scanaccess points using rutilt, it hangs, thelight blinks at first for few times and stops...the program jam...but when im back home here, it always scans...?
11:10<Hydroxide>rgnr: sources.list
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11:11<Hydroxide>rgnr: (though be aware that next month lenny will become stable and etch will become oldstable)
11:11<rgnr>dam
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11:12<rgnr>i've just reinstalled etch cuz updated to lenny and gui has gone
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11:12<cockroach>... and sarge boxes will explode
11:12<jeremiah>rgnr: cat /etc/debian.version
11:12<Hydroxide>rgnr: if you want to stick with etch after next month, make sure your sources.list file says etch and not stable
11:12<jeremiah>sorry, rgnr: cat /etc/debian_version
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11:13<rgnr>its etch
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11:14<Hydroxide>rgnr: that should be a reasonable option for about 1 year after lenny comes out, at which point Debian will stop giving security fixes for etch, so you'll really want to upgrade to (or reinstall) lenny by then. I'm sure the gui problems can be fixed.
11:14<jeremiah>There you go, you are running etch
11:14<Hydroxide>(if they haven't been already)
11:14<Hydroxide>no need to worry about that now though
11:14<jeremiah>lenny is scheduled for release in September - there is already a freeze.
11:15<Hydroxide>yup.
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11:15<gsimmons>reggae: No idea, I don't use RutilT. Use "iwlist wlan0 scan" as an alternative.
11:16<rgnr>dam
11:16<rgnr>but i upgraded to lenny and my gui has gone
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11:16<rgnr>does lenny have no gui?
11:16<Hydroxide>rgnr: no, it does
11:17<jeremiah>lenny will have several GUIs!
11:17<amphi>rgnr: seems to here ;)
11:17<jeremiah>:)
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11:17<rgnr>damn
11:17<rgnr>it just messed somehow my gui
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11:18<rgnr>apt-key add - && apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring - do i have to do it?
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11:19<jeremiah>You can change the GUI via a control panel.
11:19<reggae>gsimmons: gee...thanks, thats helpful, i think ill ignore the rutilt
11:19<reggae>tx anyways
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11:20<Hydroxide>rgnr: you'll be more secure if you install the debian multimedia key, since apt will warn you if someone tries to send you fake packages in the future (assuming you get the right key now)
11:21<rgnr>Hydroxide: http://debian-multimedia.org/ from here?
11:22<newsense>yes
11:22<rgnr>Hydroxide: wget http://debian-multimedia.org/gpgkey.pub -O - so i did this part
11:22<erKURITA>rgnr: you'll be more secure if you install the debian multimedia key <= you won't be any more secure, it'll just make apt sure that the packages being sent are valid
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11:24<Hydroxide>erKURITA: no, it does protect against a man-in-the-middle attack or compromised debian-multimedia server with valid packages that have been tampered with by someone other than the repository maintainer
11:25<Hydroxide>erKURITA: package can be valid whether or not they're in a repository signed by a known key
11:25<erKURITA>that's my point exactly
11:25<Hydroxide>erKURITA: but if they're tampered with by someone other than the debian-multimedia guy, and a debian-multimedia server tries to send it to him, apt will warn him
11:26<Hydroxide>erKURITA: the package will still be valid but it won't be trusted.
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11:26<Hydroxide>erKURITA: important difference there
11:26<Hydroxide>rgnr: you need to feed that key into apt-key to import it properly
11:26<erKURITA>I know
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11:26<erKURITA>brb
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11:27<Hydroxide>rgnr: something like wget http://debian-multimedia.org/gpgkey.pub -O - | apt-key add -
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11:28<themill>or apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
11:28<Hydroxide>rgnr: and then install the debian-multimedia-keyring package to allow for graceful transitions if they ever change the key
11:28<Hydroxide>themill: only once you have the key installed - that package can't be trusted either until you have the key
11:28<themill>the package can be trusted just as much as http://debian-multimedia.org/gpgkey.pub can be trusted
11:29<Hydroxide>themill: depends on whether you get it from debian-multimedia.org or a mirror, I guess
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11:29<themill>very true
11:29<Hydroxide>themill: I generally use a mirror myself, so there is a trust difference
11:29<Hydroxide>themill: (the again, I also verified christian marillat's key against the deban keyring using gpg, and I do have lots of trust paths into the debian web of trust, etc.
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11:30<Hydroxide>themill: which is of course the best way but the most complicated)
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11:30<themill>yeah, I suspect that's the best way
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11:30<gelinas>For the record (assuming this IRC channel is logged): Regarding how to install entire package collections from a 40mb miniroot installation at a root shell: Just run dselect and select the collections of packages you want. It was pretty easy.
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11:31<Hydroxide>gelinas: I'm not aware of a public log of this channel, though of course people might be privately logging it
11:32<Hydroxide>gelinas: also, dselect is ancient, and doesn't have good ways to choose sets of packages as compared to the more modern alternatives. don't you mean tasksel?
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11:34<gelinas>Hydroxide: No. I don't mean tasksel because I didn't know about it. I know that dselect is ancient because it was the only way to install Debian way back in the mid 1990s. I remember those days. Anyway, I asked a question, didn't get a response, and tried to find my own solution. That was the best I could find at the time.
11:34<Hydroxide>gelinas: okay then. trying to find your own solution is a great way to learn, so congrats!
11:35<gelinas>Hydroxide: However, now that I have tasksel up and running - you're right. That is *exactly* what I need. Thank you very much.
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11:40<rgnr>Hydroxide: cool! 10x d00d
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11:43<rgnr>which im is preferable for debian?
11:43<rgnr>kopete or pidgin?
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11:44<cockroach>depends on your taste, i assume. i use pidgin.
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11:45<rgnr>cool
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11:46<rgnr>cockroach: can you hlp me compile it? i mean i wanna know which depos it uses
11:46<rgnr>cockroach: to disable not needed
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11:47<cockroach>not really, i have to leave in couple of minutes. but for starters try "apt-get source pidgin"
11:47<gelinas>Wow. I *really* like Xen.
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11:47<cockroach>then you'll get a "pidgin-2.4.3" directory with a debian subdir. change your options in debian/rules and run "debuild" to rebuild pidgin (might take a while)
11:48<rgnr>why to rebuild?
11:48<cockroach>you wanted to compile it
11:48<rgnr>right
11:48<cockroach>s/rebuild/build/
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11:48<rgnr>but i wanna disable features that i'm not using
11:48<sasha>hi im under gnome and i m trying to find a program to play gif animation ; i have tried some but all display only the first frame
11:48<cockroach>"change your options in debian/rules"
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11:49<rgnr>like --disable notifications or smth
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11:49<cockroach>yes, that's done in there
11:49<rgnr>ok
11:49<rgnr>how do i change my deb rules?
11:49<cockroach>sasha: just use your browser :)
11:49<cockroach>edit in your faviourite text editor
11:50<rgnr>E: Unable to find a source package for pidgin
11:50<cockroach>check your /etc/apt/sources.list - you will need to have deb-src lines in there (might be commented out)
11:50<sasha>cockroach : true :) but not user friendly to use with some hundreds of them
11:51<cockroach>sasha: heh, indeed not
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11:51<cockroach>sasha: you could just generate an html file with img tags for all of them :)
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11:52<sasha>cockroach : why not
11:52<cockroach>well anyway, i have to leave. cu
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11:54<Zathraz>Hi. Once I found a webpage explaining hown to install altertive language packs for OpenOffice in Debian as installing them using apt does not work (OO does not recognize the new language). Cannot find it agian though. Anyone any tips on this please?
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11:55<Zathraz>*alternative
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11:55<alien>Enjoy! With kernel 2.6.26-1 no problem for Nvidia driver...
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11:57<rgnr>vote ppl! vote for best im messenger for debian!
11:57<rgnr>:(
11:57<rgnr>:)
11:57<Lethalman>rgnr, where
11:57<Lethalman>:)
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11:58<rgnr>vote here and now )
11:58<rgnr>:)
11:58<Lethalman>empathy
11:58<rgnr>empathy
11:58<rgnr>vs pidgin
11:58<rgnr>:)
11:59<qq_>apt-cache search messenger
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11:59<Lethalman>qq_, empathy not there lol
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12:00<rgnr>what is backports?
12:00<Lethalman>rgnr, updated packages ported to etch
12:01<Lethalman>it's a separate repository
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12:01<rgnr>is it ok to use with etch?
12:01<rgnr>lol i bet it is )
12:01<rgnr>cool
12:02<rgnr>how do i add backports repos?
12:03<Lethalman>rgnr, there're instructions on the website
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12:05<rgnr>yep
12:05<rgnr>i c
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12:14<rgnr>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH -gcc?
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12:16<Lethalman>Debian users beware: don't use the the zd1211-firmware package, as this is for Debian's fork of the vendor-based driver
12:16<Lethalman>from linuxwireless, why?
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12:19<gsimmons>Lethalman: Long since resolved. See BTS bug #411912.
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12:19<Lethalman>thanks gsimmons
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12:25<Lethalman>gsimmons, so it's not a fork anymore?
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12:29<Droo>Quick question, what would have to happen for a partition to show up in fdisk on a system, but not show up as a /dev device. The whole disk shows up as /dev/sda but the partiton will not appear as /dev/sda1 unless I rewrite the partition table after boot
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12:30<Droo>I ran badblocks on the start of the disk doesnt seem to be a disk error but the other 5 identical drives are fine
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12:33<gsimmons>Lethalman: The vendor-based driver (zd1211) was previously packaged within 'zd1211-source' (removed in #448097). The community-developed driver (zd1211rw) has since taken its place. The 'zd1211-firmware' package provides firmware for use with either driver.
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12:33<Lethalman>so i still don't get if it's a fork or a package installing the provided tar.bz2 by the community
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12:36<gsimmons>Lethalman: The warning is old and the zd1211 driver is dead. That's all you need to know.
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12:36<Lethalman>ok
12:37<Lethalman>i removed zd1211-source and installed the zd1211-firmware from lenny
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12:37<Lethalman>this is the right way, right?
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12:39<gsimmons>Lethalman: Yes, you'd want to be using the kernel-supplied zd1211rw module for ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipset support.
12:39<Lethalman>ok
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12:49<anubis>my software index is broken
12:50<anubis>dpkg --configure -a is not fixing the problem for some reason
12:50<dpkg>anubis: I think you lost me on that one
12:50<anubis>synaptic won't start
12:51<anubis>apt-get install -f is not helping either
12:51<anubis>I don't remember interrupting the install or update
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12:53<qq>anubis: mixed sources ?
12:53*anubis checking
12:53<anubis>synaptic won't even show me the repos page when it was working
12:53<anubis>this is a clean debian install
12:54<qq>paste sources
12:54<rgnr>configure pidgin
12:54<rgnr>--disable-dependency-tracking speeds up one-time build - what does that mean?
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12:56<anubis>qq, pastebin is talking about I'm tripping their spam filter????
12:56<qq>use paste.debian.net
12:58<anubis>http://paste.debian.net/14068/
12:59<qq>egr ? means
12:59<Lethalman>uh
13:00<Lethalman>anubis, use http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/
13:01<qq>and comment line 5, 8 ,11, if no specials needs
13:01<rgnr>help with pidgin
13:01<rgnr>gotta few questions while configure
13:01<Lethalman>rgnr, what are you doing?
13:01<rgnr>what is xscreensaver? what is it good for?
13:01<rgnr>compiling pidgin
13:01<Lethalman>rgnr, guess
13:02<rgnr>need to disable some unused feature
13:02<qq>apt-get install pidgin , that's all
13:02<rgnr>i know what is screensaver but how is it releavant to pidgin?
13:03<qq>you are dreaming i tho
13:03<qq>!crack
13:03<dpkg>crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt
13:03<rgnr>damn
13:04<anubis>dpkg --configure -a
13:04<dpkg>anubis: I don't know, could you explain it?
13:04<anubis>dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0219' near line 1: newline in field name `#padding'
13:04<dpkg>You are moron #1, anubis
13:04<anubis>huh?
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13:05<Lethalman>anubis, i removed that file a day
13:05<Lethalman>you got a problem during upgrade/installation
13:05<Lethalman>the file didn't finish to write
13:06<anubis>so I do I resolve
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13:09<anubis>the commands to fix are not changing anything
13:10<rgnr>lol
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13:12<anubis>thx
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13:21<sasha>hi i would like to test selinux on a ' everyday used laptop ' is it transparent for the end user or i m going to face big problems
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13:23<rgnr>i'm compiling pidgin and i wanna know which features i can disable
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13:23<rgnr>any1 hlp?
13:23<aniki>hi again. what would be a good defragmentation programm for debian ? :)
13:23<Eno_>./configure --help
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13:27<Lethalman>aniki, no need for that
13:27<aniki>how so?
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13:29<aniki>ahh n/m googled it up
13:30<aniki>first thing where i find debian to be easier than windows actually
13:30<Eno_>ext3 does get fragmented tho.. doesnt it?
13:30<Lethalman>aniki, http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2006/08/17/why_doesn_t_linux_need_defragmenting
13:31<Lethalman>file systems can be defragmented, of course
13:31<Lethalman>but you don't need that as much as you do on windows
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13:32<Lethalman>i.e. i've never defragmented a FS on linux, neither with ext nor with reiser
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13:32<aniki>*yay* for first thing where linux will make my life easier
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13:33<saulo>list
13:33<saulo>list php
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13:34<Lethalman>aniki, the second is for ISO images, double click on it and burn rotfl
13:34<aniki>havent burn in ages. easier to buy a new hdd
13:34<Lethalman>i'll never understand such an inusability on windows
13:35<rfu>Anyone know something about ebtables on debian?
13:35<rfu>I try to use it. But it says: The kernel doesn't support the ebtables filter table.
13:35<anubis>dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed. Aborted
13:35<dpkg>You are moron #2, anubis
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13:35<rfu>any idea?
13:35<rfu>thanks
13:36<anubis>Debian Bug report logs - #486843
13:37<Lethalman>rfu, it's weird EBT is enabled in debian kernel, maybe you have to modprobe some modules?
13:38<anubis>so this bug is unrecoverable?
13:38<anubis>make apt system is trashed?
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13:38<anubis>thats not possible is it?
13:38<rfu>could you tell me how to do it?
13:38<aniki>always remember : there are no bugs they are features ;D
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13:42<tetrimino>my sound is very laggy? how can i fix it?
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13:43<CobraForty>irc://irc.darksin.net/horror
13:43<tetrimino>my sound is very laggy.. how do i fix it?
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13:46<tetrimino>don't somebody know how to fix it?
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13:47<nonent>i've searched online for a method to fix this and i can't seem to find one. i'm upgrading sarge->etch and i get stuck on postfix-tls with the message "rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/postfix/lmtp' with a different file" . i can't seem to force-remove manually. is there any way around this?
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13:51<tetrimino>how can i fix laggy sound?
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13:54<nonent>anyone? i'm stuck in the middle of an upgrade right now and i can't find a way to continue. is there a beter place to ask?
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14:03<tetrimino>how i configure my sound in debian so it isn't laggy
14:03<stevecotton>tetrimino: what HOWTOs have you tried so far
14:04<tetrimino>none im having trouble finding one so i decided to look here
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14:05<stevecotton>what sound apps are you using?
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14:05<tetrimino>xmms
14:06<tetrimino>and the sound in Enemy Territory Quake Wars is really laggy too
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14:07<stevecotton>what are the settings in xmms' preferences for output? (I used to use it, but haven't for a while so can't look for myself)
14:07<tetrimino>give me a sec
14:07<stevecotton>(look for myself at how that dialog is layed out)
14:08<tetrimino>oos driver 1.2.10 libOSS.so
14:08<tetrimino>is that the answer?
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14:09<stevecotton>yes, and that sounds reasonable for Etch
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14:09<tetrimino>then whats wrong?
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14:11<stevecotton>hmm - actually it should probably be using ALSA
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14:13<stevecotton>tetrimino - try switching to ALSA, and see if that helps.
14:14<tetrimino>okidoki
14:14<tetrimino>it doesnt
14:15<tetrimino>it skips alot of the track
14:15<stevecotton>:(
14:16<gpb>what computer are you using?
14:16<gpb>integrated soundcard? USB one?
14:16<tetrimino>integreted
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14:20<Sey>Between Microsoft and debian, i figured if come here for help, as you guys tend to be smarter and more helpful than microsoft tech help. I am trying to netowrk an Asus Eee with XP on it to share my connection plugged in through the debian PC. I followed a guide i found that worked WONDERS for getting my xbox 360 to connect to the internet
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14:20<Sey>However, the Eee sees the connection, and labels it as connected, yet, with the same DNS as my xbox, has trouble witht he DNS and cannot connect
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14:31<dentifrice>any tip on how to optimize ext3 under LVM2 on a server? the partition will be hosting OpenVZ instances running a variety of daemons
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14:35<neal>i am trying to load etch 64 bit on a hp proliant dl 180 g5 with e5405 xeon procs....the install crashes when it starts to probe ports directly and then dumps to a stack trace which i can not get all of the error/s. anyone seen this? lenny 64 loads just fine but the client wants etch.
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14:36<neal><0> kernel panic - not syncing: attempting to kill init!
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14:53<Erev>Hye everybody I have one question i m trying to compile microdia for my webcam but i have this error "*** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop." i search on google and people say install the kernel image then i installed linux-headers, linux-image for my kernel but i stay with the same problem did you have any idea ?
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14:54<Aleric>ROFL - we have an A.I. on another channel - it's like a sweet/wide 4 year-old. Sometimes it says things that are so funny :)
14:54<Aleric>Just now it said something that some he might recognize ;):
14:55<Aleric><LostBiT> Drakh: You were ignored for some assistance with some particular documentationf or one of the soundcard i have is: 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and buy another machine).
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14:55<Erev>i forget before this error " /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop." then i create the folder build
14:55<Aleric>I love that... "log out and buy another machine" as way to solve a problem :)
14:56<Erev>Aleric: Yeah i will think it one day :P but not today because the shop are closed ... :P
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14:57<Erev>Aleric: anyway did you have any idea about why i have this error ?
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14:59<Aleric>Erev: I suppose you mean running 'make modules' in order to (re)build kernel modules?
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15:00<Aleric>Sounds like whatever you are installing is broken.
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15:01<Erev>Aleric: No i m doing just a make in the folder microdia o whatever directory for compile whatever program and i have this error
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15:02<Erev>I think lenny doesn t found something with modules for do a make correctly but no idea about the correct packages
15:02<Aleric>[20:58] <Erev> i forget before this error " /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop." then i create the folder build <--- that is wrong.
15:03<Aleric>build should be created by something else, along with lots of other things.
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15:03<Aleric>You can't fix things by just creating an empty directory
15:04<Erev>Aleric: after the first "make " i have this error " /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop." and after that i created the folder build and after the second "make" i have this error "*** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop."
15:04<neal>can you pass a flag in grub during boot to diable pnp
15:04<neal>disable
15:04<Aleric>Erev: Did you run ./configure first?
15:05<Erev>Aleric: no because it s not necesary
15:05<Aleric>http://fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-176910.html
15:05<Erev>Aleric: when i do an ./configure i have this ./configure: No such file or directory
15:05<Aleric>http://fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-151403.html : says you need to install kernel-devel
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15:07<Erev>kernel-devel in debian ? because when i search it on the synaptic i don t have it
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15:08<Erev>Aleric: and in packages.debian.org when i do a search i have "Sorry, your search gave no results"
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15:10<Aleric>Erev: remove that build directory again
15:11<Aleric>then run: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
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15:13<Erev>Aleric: i uninstall the linux-header installed before ?
15:13<tide>is debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-netinst.iso 64bits?
15:14<erKURITA>tide it'd be bad if it was for an amd64 and wasn't 64-bits :)
15:16<tide>ok, but think im gonna take the last stable and install since this release makes my server freeze and take 100% cpu and ram.
15:17<erKURITA>o_O
15:17<erKURITA>odd
15:19<Erev>Aleric: yeaaah this working no idea why before that doesn t work because i do the same ....
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15:49<bizhan>Hi i am trying to update my debian file system (sarge) to etch. I did update the the sourcelist with the "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free" then I issued "apt-get update" It failed with the following message "Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" Please help.
15:50<tetrimino>something is wrong with the sound in my system.. it kinda lags both in XMMS and a game called enemy territory quake wars
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15:52<gpb>wow, bizham.... etch is nearly old-stable now and you still use sarge. my respect for this
15:53<gpb>perhaps try to comment out the security line in your sources.list?
15:53<erKURITA>gpb I've seen woody boxes
15:53<gpb>urghs
15:53<erKURITA>1&1 sets them up
15:54<gpb>not live on the 'net I hope
15:54<gpb>ouch
15:54<erKURITA>believe me, they are
15:54<gpb>grand ouch
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15:54<gpb>and I thought 1&1 were *halfway* decent
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15:55<bizhan>Here is the content of the sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free
15:55<bizhan>deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main
15:55<gpb>that's all?
15:55<bizhan>Anything wrong there? by the way I am on PPC
15:56<bizhan>yes that is all
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15:56<gpb>if you want to upgrade you need a deb line the same as your existing deb-src I think
15:56<bizhan>Please help .....
15:56<rgnr>debian does not load gui on startup
15:57<gpb>but I cant remember the exact update procedures
15:57<rgnr>and i cannot shutdown
15:57<rgnr>help
15:57<gpb>!tell bizhan about etch
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15:57<gpb>perhaps the release note help
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15:57<rgnr>but it did load previosly
15:57<gpb>you get a console instead of gui?
15:58<rgnr>yep
15:58<erKURITA>try starting X
15:58<gpb>perhaps you uninstalled X?
15:58<gpb>startx
15:58<rgnr>lol
15:58<rgnr>i do have x
15:58<gpb>happened to me sometime ago....
15:58<erKURITA>same here, but with XFCE
15:58<rgnr>but how do i make it load on startup
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15:58<erKURITA>oh and, it happens everytime I change kernels
15:58<gpb>try startx
15:59<erKURITA>talk about poor support from nVidia and its drivers
15:59<rgnr>i did started
15:59<gpb>if that works you need either install gdm/kdm or reconfigure them
15:59<erKURITA>rgnr /etc/init.d/gdm|kdm start
15:59<erKURITA>they may have been stopped
15:59<rgnr>root terminal?
16:00<gpb>at console, X not started try these commands from erKURITA
16:00<erKURITA>gpb it is, believe me ;)
16:01<gpb>no, for me it would be kdm :)
16:01<erKURITA>gdm here <3
16:01<erKURITA>rgnr yes, as root
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16:01<gpb>btw: any potato boxes still around? ;-)
16:01<erKURITA>oh goodness please no..
16:02<rgnr>btw
16:02<rgnr>one more problem
16:02<rgnr>i cannot shut down
16:02<rgnr>like shutdown option dissappeared
16:02<erKURITA>so you cannot use "shutdown -t now" ?
16:03<gpb>strange...
16:03<erKURITA>are you trying to power off or reboot ?
16:03<tetrimino>something is wrong with the sound in my system.. it kinda lags both in XMMS and a game called enemy territory quake wars
16:03<rgnr>nor i see manage users and groups menu
16:03<rgnr>power off
16:03<gpb>should be in gnome/kde window manager and/or when pressing the three-finger-salute
16:03<gpb>rgnr: gnome? debian?
16:03<rgnr>think it cuz of gdm?
16:04<rgnr>debian
16:04<gpb>arg
16:04<gpb>meant gnome? kde?
16:04<erKURITA>lol
16:04<erKURITA>rgnr
16:04<rgnr>gnome
16:04<erKURITA>try poweroff
16:04<erKURITA>:)
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16:04<rgnr>nah i wanna use legal way
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16:05<erKURITA>poweroff shuts down the pc the proper way as well
16:05<gpb>oh, there are still upgrade instructions for potato ->woody on the debian site
16:05<gpb>:)
16:05<tetrimino>dont somebody know how i can fix my sound problem
16:05<erKURITA>I don't, sorry.
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16:06<gpb>tetrimino: i don't know what could be the problem... perhaps the exact type of your soundcard? perhaps too slow comp... perhaps buggy driver
16:06<gpb>please give more details
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16:06<tetrimino>i dont know where to get details..
16:06<gpb>rgnr: most legal way: shutdown -h now as root in a console
16:06<tetrimino>it ran smooth in ubuntu
16:06<gpb>lspci | grep -i sound
16:07<gpb>hmmm
16:07<amphi>or grep -i audio
16:07<gpb>you use etch? lenny? sid?
16:07<tetrimino>etch
16:07<gpb>or potato? ;-)
16:07<tetrimino>:)
16:07<gpb>ok, then it can be a rather old driver
16:07<gpb>and/or kernel
16:08<gpb>ubuntu tries to be cutting edge (sometimes cutting the user this way)
16:08<gpb>etch is *stable*, and now 1.5 years old or so
16:08<erKURITA>gpb nah
16:08<erKURITA>they don't
16:08<gpb>relative to debian?
16:08<tetrimino>i just thought i should support debian since ubuntu was build upon it
16:09<gpb>try testing
16:09<tetrimino>it froze on grep -i audio
16:09<gpb>current testing will soon be the new stable
16:09<gpb>it didn't freeze... :)
16:09<tetrimino>no its working :D
16:09<gpb>just use Ctrl-D
16:09<erKURITA>gpb not even close
16:09<erKURITA>Debian fixes the bugs as soon as possible, Ubuntu on their releases
16:10<tetrimino>so i should try lenny?
16:11<gpb>and Ubuntu is debian with some rather untested software and drivers and kernel modukes, shaken, not stirred, and told as long term support version
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16:11<gpb>you use oss or alsa?
16:11<gpb>what version are they?
16:11<erKURITA>Etch gave me a lot of trouble with sounds
16:12<erKURITA>specially with KDE
16:12<erKURITA>>:(
16:12<tetrimino>i got gnome.. and i think im using oss
16:12<tetrimino>atleast my xmms is
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16:12<gpb>alsa has oss emulation layer
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16:13<tetrimino>how do i install alsa?
16:13<tetrimino>i havent been configuring any sound-thingy before. only nvidia-drivers
16:13<gpb>dpkg --list | grep alsa-base
16:13<dpkg>gpb: I don't know, could you explain it?
16:13<gpb>to see if it's installed
16:14<tetrimino>seems like it is
16:15<tetrimino>ii alsa-base 1.0.13-5etch1 ALSA driver configuration files
16:15<cahoot>tetrimino: what kernel?
16:16<tetrimino>i dont know.
16:16<cahoot>uname -r
16:16<tetrimino>2.6.18-6-686
16:17<gpb>seems like ubuntu hardy uses alsa 1.0.16, debian lenny has the same
16:17<tetrimino>should i get lenny then?
16:17<gpb>but I don't know if that will solve yourproblems!
16:17<cahoot>tetrimino: try dkpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base, choose alsa
16:18<cahoot>tetrimino: err dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base, choose alsa
16:18<tetrimino>command not found
16:18<gpb>if you want the most stable linux version available right now stay at etch for the moment
16:18<tetrimino>ups ok
16:19<gpb>if you want a little bit newer, well tested software use lenny
16:19<erKURITA>I've yet to see a broken (spontaneously) lenny
16:19<gpb>me too :)
16:19<tetrimino>well how do i get lenny then?
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16:19<gpb>!tell tetrimino about lenny
16:19<amphi>!etch->lenny
16:19<erKURITA>beware: switching to lenny may break your system
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16:20<amphi>erKURITA: why?
16:20<rgnr>lol
16:20<erKURITA>it happened once to me
16:20<erKURITA>locales went down the drain, mostly
16:20<rgnr>gdm has jusr dissappeared
16:20<rgnr>lol
16:20<rgnr>btw
16:20<erKURITA>and inconsistencies in the repo
16:20<rgnr>how do i manage users?
16:21<gpb>hmmm, I can remeber *one breakage.... used a rather old etch CD, installed graphical frontend, then made the direct jump to lenny...
16:21<tetrimino>ok seems easy
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16:21<gpb>hmmm, adduser is probably too old-fashioned for you? ;-)
16:21<erKURITA>gpb it's what I usually do. I've used a RC of etch to go to lenny, as soon as it's installed. I've forgotten to burn an stable netinst.
16:22<gpb>well, I think the hardware was rather buggy, too... it needed *two* hours for a simple CD install... ;-)
16:22<erKURITA>it took me 1 week to get Sarge installed :X
16:22<gpb>hehe
16:22<erKURITA>first time I tried a linux distro
16:23<erKURITA>had problems booting it
16:23<gpb>and then the rigght choice at first try... nice
16:23<gpb>my first one was some sude 5.3 or so
16:23<gpb>suse
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16:24<erKURITA>I tried a SuSe afterwards
16:24<erKURITA>but damn it, it made me want to throw up
16:24<gpb>because the package sttod in a shelf at my local book store and it had some really nice installation books
16:24<tetrimino>the upgrade is like 540mb
16:24<tetrimino>god damn
16:25<erKURITA>only?
16:25<gpb>you can get some lenny CDs somewhere and do the upgrade with them
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16:26<tetrimino>when the upgrade is complete my soundproblem should be gone right?
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16:26<gpb>wow... debian jumps from 4.0 to 5.0 when lenny becomes stable?
16:26<amphi>scary
16:26<gpb>s/should/could/
16:26<tetrimino>:D
16:26<amphi>should be 4.0.1 ;)
16:26<gpb>nah... 4.1 could be used
16:26<erKURITA>gpb supposedly, yeah
16:27<erKURITA>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases
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16:30<gpb>according to the svg there lenny should have become stable somewhere in 2011
16:30<gpb>:D
16:30<erKURITA>what
16:31<gpb>well, it looks like a nice flot curve to me
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16:32<gpb>put an averaging curve over the release dates of all stable versions and then you can predict when 5.0 "should have" happened
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16:33<gpb>wow... i just found a shop still selling Sarge DVDs
16:33<erKURITA>I'd be happy if I saw any shop selling Debian DVDs
16:33-!-cadu [~cadu@200-161-198-143.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #debian
16:34<gpb>just look online
16:34<gpb>http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
16:34<cadu>testing
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16:35<erKURITA>I mean, here in spain
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16:40<vlsoft>Hi!
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16:41<gpb>erKURITA, http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#es :)
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16:42*gpb ducks and covers
16:42<erKURITA>None in Galicia, of course
16:43<vlsoft>I have a little problem with the etch net installer's initrd, I tried to put a new kernel module into it (first I have extracted it with cpio of course), and the resulting cpio archive wasn't working as initrd. It seems ram disk space got exhausted, but how did it work with the original; extracted it's ~11M, and kernel ramdrive only 8M...
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16:58<sander_m>Hi all. I'm testing out Lenny on my new box, using the Lenny beta2 installer. All goes well and now it wants to install a bootloader, but it wants to install Lilo. Any reasons why it won't do grub?
16:59<aptituz>sander_m: some setups require lilo and therefore cause d-i to choose lilo
17:00<sander_m>aptituz: The only fancy thing I'm trying to do is LVM (and trying to put /boot on LVM as well, in a separate volume). IIRC Lenny uses Grub2. It should be able to do this, no?
17:00<aptituz>sander_m: well, thats probably the reason then
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17:02<aptituz>hu? lenny uses grub2?
17:02<sander_m>aptituz: Any idea whether the installer uses the old grub or grub2 for installation? Or is it easy to simply install Lilo now and replace it with Grub2 afterwards?
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17:02<aptituz>sander_m: can't answer you neither the first nor the second question
17:02<sander_m>aptituz: Check the version of grub-common if you're on Lenny. It's grub2.
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17:03<reggae>hi does anybody here uses rutilt on debian lenny? i had problems scanning access points, need serious help..tx..:)
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17:04<dsl_>anyone have experiences with "wifi-radar" or can direct me somewhere...?
17:04<aptituz>sander_m: hm. there have been discussions to make a switch from grub to grub2 a release goal, but I don't know the results
17:04<aptituz>sander_m: besides from this: I don't know if grub2 works with /boot on the LVM anyway
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17:05<xanonus>aptituz: grub-common is from grub2. But grub .97x is used in lenny/sid as far as I now.
17:05<xanonus>I mean grub 0.97-x
17:05<sander_m>aptituz: I know for sure that grub2 does /boot on LVM. I'm just not sure that the debian installer knows about it too (or perhaps the installer only does grub legacy and lilo, not grub2)
17:05<sander_m>xanonus: Thanks
17:06<aptituz>sander_m: right. found that information myself a second ago. possibly its worth to ask in the d-i channeö
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17:06<gass>hello there
17:06<sander_m>aptituz: I tried. I think they're all AFK :-)
17:06<aptituz>hehe. :)
17:07<gass>in lenny, i can't grab any wireless network with iwl3945
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17:07<reggae>i just need a program in debian lenny that can scan anywhere anytime the access point....the best i could knew is rutilt....however, it does not respond when i scan in cafes, but in home theres no problem at all. Its like it hangs when it try to scan in area that has many access points...anyone had similar problems?
17:08<gass>my card is detected as wireless capable, but iwlist scan states: that there are no wireless networks
17:08<gass>forget ....
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17:09<gass>humm ... sometimes i grab the network, sometimes i don't
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17:10<gass>my wireless card has problems deteting wireless networks
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17:14<reggae>just need a program indebian lenny that can scan anywhereanytime the access point....the best i couldknew is rutilt....however, it does notrespond when i scan in cafes, but in hometheres no problem at all. Its like it hangswhen it try to scan in area that has manyaccess points...anyone had similar problems?
17:15<reggae>or is there any irc channel that mainly talks bout rutilt?
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17:16<loony1>Im trying to connect to a ssid in wpa_cli, but I get a time out with no error msg.. is the msg printed somewhere?
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17:18<witte>loony: maybe check syslog
17:18<iron>hi
17:18<iron>anbody know why i can no found deb-reconfigure on my system ?
17:18<witte>iron: you mean dpkg-reconfigure
17:18<iron>yes
17:18<iron>sry
17:19<iron>its just away
17:19<graytron>iron: because its in /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure ?
17:19<iron>mom
17:19<witte>iron: you can find it by typing "whereis dpkg-reconfigure"
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17:20<iron>its there
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17:20<graytron>witte: not if he doesn't have /usr/sbin/ in his path
17:20<iron>/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure
17:20<iron>there
17:20<peterS>graytron: you haven't used whereis, have you?
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17:21<graytron>peterS: never!
17:21<iron>"whereis dpkg-reconfigure" reports -> dpkg-reconfigure:
17:21<witte>graytron: /usr/sbin is not in my path, and whereis gives its location...
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17:21<witte>iron: nothing more?
17:22<graytron>ok, maybe its my patch then causing this kind of behaviour
17:22<iron>witte: nope
17:22<peterS>it is in the 'debconf' package, do you not have that installed?
17:22<peterS>whereis should definitely look in /usr/sbin
17:22<iron>ah sry witte
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17:23<iron>dpkg-reconfigure: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure /usr/share/man/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.gz
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17:25<iron>witte: what do you thing ?
17:25<iron>witte: what do you think ?
17:25<witte>iron: the file is in /usr/sbin?
17:25<iron>yes
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17:25<witte>iron: you need to be root to use it (or use sudo)
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17:26<iron>lol k thx
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17:36<Lethalman>what's the purpose of the debian menu?
17:36<Lethalman>i can see X-Debian-* stuff but no entries in the gnome menu in lenny
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17:39<sejje>where is the X error log?
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17:40<stevecotton> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:40<erKURITA>in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:40<erKURITA>exactly
17:40<sejje>ty sirs
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17:41<stevecotton>Lethalman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493961
17:42<stevecotton>It works for me in FVWM, but I haven't reinstalled lately.
17:42<Lethalman>thanks
17:42<stevecotton>There's no response yet though.
17:42<sejje>(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
17:42<Lethalman>i had debian menu in etch
17:42<sejje>is that a big deal?
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17:43<stevecotton>sejje - possibly.
17:44<stevecotton>probably the cause of whatever's going wrong (I assume OpenGL doesn't work?)
17:44<sejje>stevecotton: when i startx, i can no longer see anything on my tty1-6 screens, although i can switch to them. i can switch back to X with no problem. if i close X, I can't see anything and have to reboot.
17:44<sejje>stevecotton: someone told me it was probably an X error, that sound reasonable for the AIGLX?
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17:46<Nyaa>I'm running etch r4, using Apache2, prefork and mod_php5. Every now and then the whole Apache2 setup goes unresponsive and I have to restart it. Even with LogLevel debug it doesn't log anything out of the ordinary. Any ideas? It's not that that huge of a problem since it only happens three times per day, at most, but it's still annoying.
17:46<Nyaa>-that
17:46<stevecotton>sejje - no idea.
17:46<sejje>alright.
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17:47<sejje>stevecotton: still no luck on my wireless delay either, lwresd didn't help. also, i killed avahi because i saw it was mdns. no results either.
17:47<Nyaa>...and just FYI, there's plenty of free RAM at all times.
17:48<Lethalman>stevecotton, and it's freezed
17:50<stevecotton>sejje - did you add lwres to /etc/nsswitch.conf before dns?
17:51<sejje>bah, no. i'll try that. ty.
17:51<witte>Nyaa: can't you turn up the level of logging
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17:53<stevecotton>Lethalman - have you got the full gnome-desktop-environment package installed? (I'm not a Gnome environment user myself)
17:53<Lethalman>oh you that's the problem? no
17:53<Nyaa>witte, debug is as verbose as it gets.
17:53<stevecotton>sejje - it's not the most intuitive of packages
17:54<stevecotton>Lethalman - I mean, the menus work for me, but I'm not using Gnome, so I'm not investigating why it isn't working in Gnome.
17:54<witte>Nyaa: don't know of running strace on apache (works well for smaller stuff, but for apache :-/
17:54<Nyaa>Yeah, it only does this every now and then, after all.
17:55<Nyaa>It's almost like it's a PHP bug or something but shouldn't be able to take down the whole server...
17:55<Nyaa>but that*
17:55<witte>3 times a day is not every now and than
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17:55<witte>is it a big server, lots of applications?
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17:55<Nyaa>The parent process should just fork a new child process if one segfaults because of a bug, as it usually does.
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17:55<stricken>hi
17:55<Nyaa>Well, maybe 75,000 unique users per day.
17:56<stevecotton>sejje - one gotcha with with lwresd. If you try to do a lookup while your network isn't connected, then it will fail, and it will keep failing for 5 minutes (or you can kick it with "/etc/init.d/lwresd restart")
17:56<witte>Nyaa: ok, I would say rather big (not a home server which has an error)
17:56<stricken>this is the first time i installed an irc
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17:56<stricken>i have just installed debian yesterday too ^^ first time linux user also too
17:56<witte>Nyaa: maybe ask at #apache?
17:57<Nyaa>On this same server?
17:57<witte>Nyaa: i am certainly no apache guru...
17:57<witte>!apache
17:57<dpkg>i guess apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; ask me about <apache2><install apache2><apache 1.3><apache manual>.
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17:57<witte>!apache2
17:57<dpkg>somebody said apache2 was the best version of apache for you to be using (ask me about <apache 1.3>). Apache2 is actually 2.2 in Debian etch and lenny and is a virtual package provided by a worker (ask me about <apache2 mpm>). Also see the package apache2-doc and /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian or ask me about <install apache2>. Additional help in #apache on irc.freenode.net.
17:57<witte>ah, no on freenode.net
17:57<Nyaa>OK, the official one.
17:58<Nyaa>I'll be on my way then.
17:58<Nyaa>Later.
17:58<stricken>everyone alright?
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17:58<Lethalman>stevecotton, which distribution?
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17:59<stevecotton>I'm running sid
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18:01<witte>stricken: hello, this is not really a chatchannel, rather a support channel
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18:02<stricken>hey yeah thats fine i dont need support ^^ ive come so far on my own
18:02<witte>stricken: so if you have a question, please ask, if you just want to chat about debian, there si #debian-offtopic or hundreds of other channels
18:02<stricken>i will just listening a min
18:02<stricken>i wasnt sure if anyone could see what i was typing
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18:03<stricken>what type of support? anything to do with the debian OS?
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18:04<witte>stricken: yes, anything with debian in general: packages, installing, problems installing, errors, connecting to wireless...
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18:05<stricken>great good to know thanks
18:05<stricken>i have a question..
18:05<witte>stricken: but there are only volunteers here, so it could be that your question is not answered directly...
18:06<stricken>Since i just installed debian last night through to this morning, im complete novice to any linux/unix machines im used to windows and i was wondering how to configure a firewall
18:06<witte>!firewall
18:06<dpkg>firewall is probably a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
18:06<stricken>also i wasnt sure if i needed an antivirus i have been reading alot on forums and aloads of users dont use antivirus on linux
18:06<witte>!antivirus
18:06<dpkg>rumour has it, antivirus is a class of programs for detecting viruses. There is a free for private/non-commercial use antivirus under http://www.antivir.de/order/privreg/order_e.htm
18:07<witte>ah, both are not really usefull
18:07<witte>for the firewall, you could have a look at the guarddog program
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18:08*schlurchz thinks a well configured desktop doesn't really need a firewall
18:08<witte>for the virus scanner, there are linux virusses (i believe 10 or so) and there are linux virus scanners (but they serve mostly scanning mail servers for windows mails if i am correct)
18:09<schlurchz>stricken: forget about these sorrows from the windows world.
18:09<witte>schlurchz: I also believe that, but i am not sure. In any case, all my pc's are behind a hardware firewall, so i don't care anyhow
18:09<schlurchz>shut down services, and be done with that.
18:09<stricken>i heard hardware firewalls are good
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18:10<witte>stricken: any firewall is as good as its configuration
18:10<stricken>im not intrested in antivirus programs becuase i dont think it would serve me any purpose personally
18:10<Tarcas>Hardware firewalls are more sure, since traffic is blocked before it ever reaches a vulnerable device.
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18:10<newsense>remove inetd nis nfs-common if not needed
18:10<sejje>stevecotton: fyi, i've done a lot of googling and determined that your first remedy was best for my wireless delay. since i still have problems, it's likely a driver problem
18:11<witte>if you use a firewall/router of let's say d-link, and you use the default password and the username, + you make it accessible from outside, you have only false security
18:11<sejje>stevecotton: which is doubly likely because i'm using a hacked driver through ndis.
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18:11<stricken>i dont have a clue about linux commands how to achieve what i want it to do so takes me alot of reading how to do 1 simple thing lol
18:12<Tarcas>My firewall is a script that sets up functions to invoke iptables commands to block or NAT based on a series of rules. Though the script is about 7.8k (hand-typed, mind you) it's probably shorter than the commands to simply set the firewall rules individually.
18:13<stricken>any suggestions what is the best free firewall for beginners? easy to configure etc
18:13<stricken>i dont think i have any
18:13<Tarcas>witte: I'm referring to a real firewall that you configure, not a "black box" that you just drop in. Yes you can configure the D-link, but if you don't, it's almost useless. And FYI, I believe most of them come set to only accept config changes from inside by default.
18:13<stricken>how would i find out if i have a firewall already on this os?
18:13<witte>stricken: type 'apt-cache search firewall'
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18:14<grzechu>hello
18:14<Tarcas>iptables -L will list all the rules in all your tables.
18:14<witte>Tarcas: yes of course, that was my point, if you configure them incorrect, you have trouble. And you are right, the default is to disallow connections to the router from outside (which is sensible), but you never know what people do...
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18:15<Tarcas>True that.
18:15<Tarcas>I generalized where I should have specified.
18:15<stricken>the box just goes off i type it in witte, alt + f2 apt-cache search firewall
18:15<stricken>nothing happens
18:15<grzechu>i use ubuntu linux from about half year, and now i'm thinking about going to debian. can somebody tell me main differences between these two distros?
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18:15<witte>!tell grzechu about ubuntu
18:16<witte>oops
18:16<witte>sorry
18:16<witte>grzechu: debian is far better ;-).
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18:16<schlurchz>grzechu: why do you consider switching?
18:17<erKURITA>witte blasphemy!
18:17<grzechu>yeah, thanks but i wanted to hear something just from somebodys mouth
18:17<marc_>I'm pretty much a newb, but it seems that the main difference is ubuntu is setup to be easier to use from the box
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18:17<stricken>witte: when i alt + f2 and type in apt-cache search firewall and click run the box just goes off, does that mean i have no firewall?
18:17<witte>grzechu: differences are default settings and default installed software + things concerning the license (debian is more strict)
18:17<newsense>debian is more stable/secure !
18:17<grzechu>because i want something new, any change
18:17<newsense>debian is just as easy to setup
18:17<witte>stricken: i do not really understand that sentence, just open a terminal in your gui, and type it there
18:17<grzechu>aha
18:18<grzechu>and what about programming on debian?
18:18<stricken>sorry im still new to how to execute commands :/ not sure exactly where. i will try find the terminal
18:18<marc_>I haven't used Ubuntu, so I don't have personal experience, from what I read out of the box Ubuntu has better hardware support
18:18<schlurchz>grzechu: with Debian, you either have to run testing/unstable (probably not what you want), or stick with stable for years (most people don't want that either)
18:19<schlurchz>grzechu: great system, but that's a big disadvantage.
18:19<witte>grzechu: ubuntu as a default wants to install a system where any user can do the things an average user wants (internet, typing, msn, connect to the net)
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18:19<grzechu>you know, i read that last stable debian was released two mounths ago
18:19<erKURITA>two months?
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18:19<schlurchz>not true.
18:19<erKURITA>two months and a year
18:19<grzechu>three?
18:19<grzechu>hm
18:19<witte>grzechu: debian gives you more control
18:19<jamesdean>can i have two different ips (different subnets/gateways) use the same interface?
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18:20<marc_>Lenny was just frozen
18:20<marc_>the stable is about to be new
18:20<xanonus>for two months a little update to etch was released
18:20<ansgar>jamesdean: use eth0:0, eth0:1 and so on for additional IPs
18:20<witte>grzechu: debian stable is very stable (no changes) and that remains for a long time (ideal for servers)
18:21<marc_>I use testing without any issues and it seems to support everything I need to do while still offering the stability I want
18:21<jamesdean>ansgar: i thought that only worked for same subnet. no?
18:21<grzechu>wikipedia says that last stable release was: july, 26 2008
18:21<marc_>I think I'd recommend the testing release
18:21<witte>grzechu: testing and unstable are updated more, and are comparable in security with ubuntu...
18:21<marc_>At least assuming this is a daily use computer you are installing to
18:21<maxb>testing is the way to go *if* you are willing to deal with very occasional problems
18:21<erKURITA>grzechu that's 4.0_r4
18:21<witte>grzechu: that last release was only bugfixes, no new packages i think
18:21<maxb>and are willing to upgrade very often
18:22<witte>maxb: that all depends on the user
18:22<erKURITA>which isn't really a stable release
18:22<ansgar>jamesdean: I see no reason why it should be limited the the same subnet.
18:22<grzechu>aha
18:22<witte>maxb: a user that wants a stable that remains how it is (server or if you need to do some work on it) wants etch
18:23<maxb>Agree. If you need absolute stability, you need the actual current 'stable' distribution
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18:23<schlurchz>I would recommend the switch to Debian only for technically inclined people.
18:23<witte>maxb: if you want fairly new software, and reasonable stability, you could chose testing
18:23<maxb>Likewise, agree
18:24<stricken>witte: i typed apt-cache search firewall in the terminal, how from here can i tell i have a firewall?
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18:24<grzechu>thanks for your help, i think i'll install debian
18:24<grzechu>see you
18:24<witte>schlurchz: i would restate that to: i wouldn't recommend debian to anyone who hasn't used linux before
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18:25<amphi>witte: I've had success with two such 'victims' of mine
18:25<witte>stricken: ah, you were trying to find out if you had a firewall installed, i understood you wanted to find firewalls
18:25<erKURITA>distro.users("Ubuntu")--
18:25<erKURITA>:>
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18:25<stricken>yes so i dont go installing another firewall if i already have one
18:25<schlurchz>witte: well, I don't know. I started with Debian as my first distro, and found it pretty hard. But things may have changed, of course
18:25<witte>amphi: you mean install debian for users who never used linux
18:26<witte>well yes, i as well, but i was the backup, and used a lot for that :-)
18:26<newsense>i believe distrowatch said debian was aimed twords users of a medium undertstanding of linux or something like that
18:26<witte>schlurchz: it is not as newby friendly as ubuntu, but if you select desktop at install, you certainly get a working system which does most of the things you would like
18:27<stricken>i like diving in the deep end of things, from windblowz to debian big jump :P
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18:27<schlurchz>I guess it also just depends on the individual.
18:27<witte>stricken: the command i gave listed all the firewalls you can install
18:27<Tarcas>grzechu and witte: You guys remind me of http://xkcd.com/456/
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18:28<witte>tatotat: nice one ;-)
18:28<stricken>oh i thought the command was to search for firewalls within the system
18:28<tatotat>witte, ??
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18:29<stricken>"search firewall"
18:29<stricken>nvm
18:29<stricken>lol
18:29<newsense>stricken: dmesg ?
18:29<witte>tatotat: sorry, that was for Tarcas, tab completion...
18:29<tatotat>witte, np
18:29<stricken>what is smesg?
18:29<stricken>dmesg
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18:29<witte>stricken: type and you will see
18:29<newsense>type man dmesg
18:29<Tarcas>kernel errors, or in this room it's a bot.
18:29<Tarcas>!dmesg
18:29<dpkg>somebody said dmesg was print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents.
18:29<newsense>should show iptables or such loading
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18:30<Tarcas>Sorry, not errors, it's all the kernel logs
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18:32<stricken>thanks i have alot of information about the system with dmesg, im still trying to look for firewall in there
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18:33<schlurchz>stricken: I don't think the default install comes with a firewall.
18:34<newsense>stricken: try grep firewall /var/log/*
18:34<newsense>default doesnt have any firewall but if someone else installed should be a log somewhere in /var/log/
18:35<stricken>cash: +grep: command not found
18:35<stricken>bash*
18:35<stricken>i installed it myself
18:35<Tarcas>schlurchz: I think you're right. Debian defaults to a pretty generic install. I don't think it has anything for a firewall by default, though there are packages available.
18:36<schlurchz>The point is, there is no need for a firewall. :-)
18:36<stricken>i was wanting to know so i didnt install a firewall if i already had one lol
18:36<stricken>why schlurch
18:36<schlurchz>stricken: finding if there is a firewall active is easy.
18:36<stricken>its best to be secure as possible
18:37<stricken>how
18:37<schlurchz>stricken: type 'iptables -L INPUT' in a terminal, as root.
18:37<schlurchz>but I guess you may even not have iptables :-)
18:37<Tarcas>netstat -an|grep LISTEN
18:37<Tarcas>Block off any ports that are listening. :-)
18:38<witte>stricken: i think there is only one firewall in linux, which is iptables (or that is at least the most known)
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18:38<witte>stricken: all other firewalls are frontends to iptables
18:38<stricken>wow says about 20 things listening
18:38<stricken>is that bad
18:38<Tarcas>witte: There is still ipchains, but the chains hang from the tables, so to speak.
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18:38<witte>Tarcas: right, forgot about that, but ipchains is old-school firewall, right?
18:39<Tarcas>stricken: Probably not, but you should know what they are.
18:39<newsense>stricken: most are most likely unix domain sockets
18:39<Tarcas>ipchains predates iptables. iptables basically uses multiple chains to create a more robust series of rules.
18:39<stricken>no i dont know all gobby goop to me lol
18:39<newsense>local programs
18:40<stricken>well most say /tmp
18:40<schlurchz>Tarcas: I find 'lsof -i' easier to understand. Nicely displays the service names, for example
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18:41<stricken>yeah i think they are local programs
18:41<stricken>doesnt show anyones ip
18:41<Tarcas>You probably have a bunch of services running by default. Some are going to be necessary, like Auth/Ident. Some will be nice, like NTP, and some you may not need like FTP, Telnet, or SSH.
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18:42<stricken>i will need FTP, Telnet and SSH eventually
18:42<witte>!telnet
18:42<dpkg>it has been said that telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using <ssh> instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server)
18:42<Tarcas>what's lsof -i do, exaclty, schlurchz? I haven't seen that one.
18:42<stricken>i just need alot more experience with linux first
18:42<witte>stricken: don't use telnet if you don't need it
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18:42<newsense>try netstat -tunap
18:42<stricken>yea i suppose it would be better using shells
18:42<witte>stricken: and ftp is also not the best network protocol in the world
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18:43<Tarcas>stricken, this is how I got started. A friend helped me install a Debian-based NAT router, and I played around. Eventually I built a Debian desktop. I've been through three routers and at least two desktops by now.
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18:44<stricken>cool
18:44<Tarcas>stricken, I agree with witte. Stay away from telnet, use SSH instead. Same functionality, but you gain encryption.
18:45<Tarcas>Install the telnet client (maybe) but not the server, and remember every time you use it that even if you can't read it on the screen, anyone sniffing the line or the server can.
18:45<stricken>yeah i need to learn as much annonimity as possible which is why i made the step to linux then i will learn how to encrypt my communications over networks and also i want to learn ssh tunneling etc
18:45<stricken>so much to learn about many things
18:45<Tarcas>I want to learn to do VPNs too, but that's a task for another year, I think.
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18:46<stricken>well i got a 750 page book here to do with running linux
18:46<Tarcas>hmm... think txt_file is logging us?
18:46<witte>!securing debian
18:46<dpkg>it has been said that securing debian is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html
18:47<stricken>which is why i made it so far so quick up to where i am
18:47<stricken>thanks wittee
18:47<witte>stricken: another book to read
18:47<witte>stricken: don't know if it is up to date though
18:48<stricken>cheers ;) doesnt matter if its not up-to-date its still has the basic fundementals im sure
18:48<witte>stricken: last changes in 2008, will be good enough ;-)
18:48<stricken>oh great
18:48<Tarcas>Read all the books you want, but you won't get beyond the beginner phase until you dig in and do it. "should work" is one thing, but you won't know how it works until you've troubleshot it a few times.
18:48<stricken>yep i will
18:49<stricken>i have many books here my bedroom is full of all sorts of stuff lol
18:49<witte>good thing is that you will have to troubleshoot real quickly anyhow, i'm sure of that
18:49<stricken>i need books to learn from i put into practice what i learn
18:49<Tarcas>Debian Testing is frozen right now, right? Any idea on the schedule for it to stabilize?
18:49<Tarcas>!testing
18:49<dpkg>[testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target>
18:49<witte>!wwlr
18:49<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
18:50<witte>!lenny status
18:50<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html
18:50<stricken>i will also eventually making my computer exploitable after i learn about how to secure it good
18:50<Tarcas>We're IN the 2nd half of 2008. Not terribly helpful, but at least it sets and end date.
18:50<witte>Tarcas: normally about 1-2 monts after freeze
18:50<stricken>i have about 4 computers to mess with
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18:50<Tarcas>cool. I've been out of the loop for a few years.
18:51<witte>Tarcas: yeah, dpkg factoids aren't all updated
18:51<Tarcas>I was very knowledgable about the state and schedule of the kernel from about 2.6.4 until about 2.6.14 but I've been slipping. At least I have the latest major revision.
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18:54<stricken>who is Txt_file?
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18:55<stricken>i was just wondering with what you said earlier
18:55<stricken>lol
18:56<Tarcas>I'm guessing a logging bot. ;-)
18:56<stricken>yeah i was thinking that
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18:56<stricken>ah well
18:56<Tarcas>Of course with 331 people in the room, that's what most of them are anyway. Just running until someone decides to look or close it.
18:57<stricken>umm
18:57<stricken>i dont see why
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18:57<stricken>would be boring reading a full chat
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18:57<stricken>24 hour recording
18:57<stricken>lol
18:58<Tarcas>And a waste of time considering it really does roll 24 hours.
18:58<stricken>yep
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18:58<synz>it'd be nice if it was logging all chatter to a web site
18:58<synz>and for it to keep a nice archive of it
18:58<stricken>why would it?
18:58<Tarcas>I leave it up, but seldom look. I'm guessing that's what most people are. just glance in and if they can help and have time, do so, or if they have a question, they're already there.
18:58<synz>then we can refer people to the logs rather than repeating ourselvevs
18:59<witte>synz: that is why we have dpkg
18:59<synz>witte: that still causes us to repeat
18:59<witte>synz: you can make "FAQ" entries for dpkg
18:59<stricken>yeah dpkg ftw?
18:59<synz>I know
18:59<synz>keep keep getting the same factoids daily
18:59<Tarcas>referring people to char logs is no more friendly than saying "RTFM" which is exactly why people get so ****ed at Open Source people.
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19:00<stricken>lol true kinda
19:00<synz>not really, but kinda
19:00<schlurchz>speaking about dpkg, is there documentation about his interface/feature set?
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19:00<witte>!dpkg
19:00<dpkg>methinks dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
19:00<synz>chat logs can be more direct in finding ones answer than RTFM
19:00<witte>!dpkgbot
19:00<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>
19:01<witte>synz: i don't think there would be anyone complaining if you would set somethign like that up
19:01<witte>probably you can even have a debian server to host it?
19:01<synz>it's best done by the IRC server and a server-side bot
19:01<synz>it's something I saw done on #SVN on freenode
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19:02<synz>at least, I think it was there
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19:02<witte>synz: you can propose it, or you can ask a ops of this channel to propose it if you aren't one
19:02<synz>who are channel ops here?
19:02<Tarcas>Well, it's been lovely chatting, but I need to go find food. I'll hang with y'all another time.
19:02<witte>!ops
19:02<dpkg>i guess ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
19:02<stricken>bte tarcas
19:02<stricken>bye*
19:03<schlurchz>witte: thx for the link, I feel it's only scratching the surface, but still a start
19:03<stricken>!ops
19:03<dpkg>[ops] Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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19:03<witte>synz: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=cmd: ops (.*?)
19:04<stricken>im going to read about securing debian now, speak soon :) thanks guys
19:04<stricken>peace out-----
19:04<witte>synz: the entire line as one link would give you the result of that dpkg command which you shouldn't use unless there is a problem
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19:05<synz>heh, so where does one submit recomendations?
19:05<witte>synz: i think Ganneff or dondelelcaro are head ops :-)
19:05<synz>ok thanks
19:06<Giorgio>Hi all, can someone help this noob with installing PHP4 and MySQL4 on Deban 4 please?
19:06<witte>synz: but i am also only a visitor :P
19:06<witte>!lamp
19:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server (or see http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp) or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql ; a2enmod php5"
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19:06<witte>Giorgio: why php and mysql 4, you should rather use 5 if you can
19:06<witte>Giorgio: the dpkg line about lamp was for you btw
19:07<Giorgio>I know, but I have a large site made for PHP 4, so I need that until I managed to convert it
19:07<Giorgio>ok
19:07<witte>Giorgio: the differences between installing php4 and php5 are small i think
19:07<witte>!php4
19:07<dpkg>well, php4 security is pretty poor, judging by their trackrecord. Note that since php4 is being abandoned by upstream (php5 was released some years ago after all!), it has been removed from debian for lenny onwards. If an application still hasn't been updated to work with PHP5, then you probably don't want to use it anyway.
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19:08<witte>php4 won't be in the new stable release... (and that will be relatively soon)
19:09<erKURITA>which is great
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19:10<witte>erKURITA: that php4 is not in lenny or that lenny will release soon (or both ;-))
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19:10<Giorgio>Yes, most of my sites still work with PHP5 (the ones that I made mysef) but one site does not, and I really need that one...
19:11<Giorgio>So it will be only temporary until I converted it
19:11<erKURITA>both
19:11<witte>Giorgio: it's your call, it was just a warning ;-). php4 should be installable on etch without problems
19:11<witte>Giorgio: be sure to enable securite updates
19:11<witte>s/securite/security/
19:12<Giorgio>thanks, but I have to take the risk :)
19:12<Giorgio>s/securite/security/ what is that?
19:13<witte>Giorgio: it was me showing my geekness: i made a type and i 'corrected' using a sed-like replace command
19:13<witte>Giorgio: just ignore it :P
19:13<Giorgio>ok lol
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19:13<Giorgio>but how do i enable the security updates?
19:13<witte>!security
19:13<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>.
19:14<Giorgio>ok
19:14<Giorgio>and PHP4 and MySQL4?
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19:14<witte>!install php
19:14<dpkg>To install php5 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5; a2enmod php5; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php5, apache-modconf apache enable php5; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php4, use the same instructions but with php4 instead of php5, but ask me about <php4 security> first. See <php wants me to download still>
19:15<witte>!install mysql
19:15<dpkg>To install the mysql server, "aptitude install mysql-server". You might also want to "aptitude install php5-mysql" and ask me about <install apache2><install php>. Also check out the phpmyadmin package.
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19:15<Giorgio>ok, but can I still use PHP5 and MySQL5 then?
19:15<witte>Giorgio: ah, you want them both
19:15<Giorgio>yes
19:17<witte>Giorgio: don't know, i think it could be possible (eg in a chroot environment?) but i can't help you any further on this one
19:17<Giorgio>ok thanks, but do you know then how I can set up a nameserver?
19:18<Giorgio>!nameserver
19:18<Giorgio>ok, that does not work :P
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19:21<witte>Giorgio: you mean a dns server?
19:21<witte>apt-cache search dns|grep server
19:22<Giorgio>honestly I don't know :P I want to have my domain names to go to my server, but it asks for a nameserver
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19:26<ranix>dns is domain name server
19:27<Giorgio>ah ok
19:27<ranix>nameserver is more appropriate than the redundant 'dns server'
19:27<newsense>edit /etc/resolve.conf
19:27<newsense>add nameservers ip there
19:27<ranix>Giorgio: do yo want me to be able to type your domain name and see your server?
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19:28<Giorgio>at the moment are there no domain names linked to the server, I only have a IP adress
19:28<ranix>Giorgio: or do you want to be the one who uses shorthand names (i.e. ping harbl.com on your server will do "ping 192.168.1.10)
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19:28<ranix>"
19:29<ranix>Giorgio: I think what you are looking for is a domain name registrar
19:29<ranix>I prefer joker.com, stay away from Network Solutions and GoDaddy
19:29<ranix>but I think suggestions would be off topic
19:29<newsense>iana.orrg
19:29<Giorgio>no I have some domain names, but they are registerd to another server
19:30<Giorgio>which is going to expire soon, so I want to move them to another server
19:30<ranix>Giorgio: does your registrar offer free DNS like mine does?
19:30<Giorgio>you mean that I can change it?
19:30<Giorgio>yes
19:31<ranix>just point em where they need to go
19:31<Giorgio>yes
19:31<ranix>you can run your own nameserver, I have never looked into it personally because the registrar I use offers free dns
19:31<ranix>no need to if your registrar's is stable
19:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 345] by debhelper
19:32<ranix>unless you need redundancy or something
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19:32<Giorgio>you mean that the IP adress won't change?
19:33<ranix>is your server on a static IP, or is it dynamic?
19:34<Giorgio>yes static, that was the word I was looking for
19:34<Giorgio>it is on a static IP
19:34<ranix>just point your domain's A record at your server's IP
19:35<ranix>i.e. ranix.homelinux.net goes to my server's IP
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19:38<newsense>ranix: how do you update yourip to dnydns.org ?
19:38<Giorgio>ok, I think I changed it ok now, else my site will be offline...
19:38<newsense>ranix: a script ?
19:38<newsense>err dyndns.org
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19:39<cesurasean>can someone help out on getting this damned motherboard to recognize my pci cards? It doesn't seem to recognize ANYTHING when I give it the lspci command during install....
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19:39<gary>hello
19:40<cesurasean>therefore I can't seem to install debian. :(
19:40<cesurasean>do I have a jumper switch wrong or something?
19:40<cesurasean>lspci doesn't seem to give me any feedback on anything. just give me a new command prompt line.....
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19:41<cesurasean>any advice? the motherboard boots up into the debian install just fine. just asks for an ethernet card when it gets to that point, and I've tried three different ones thus far.
19:41<cesurasean>lspci isn't giving me any info....
19:43<xsdg>cesurasean: what architecture?
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19:45<samantha-b->so i have a used-to-be-usb drive. i ripped the case off and popped the drive out and hung it on the sata bus. the partition table lists it as type aa (unknown) although when i fdisk'd the drive originally it was set up as 83 (Linux) and formatted ext3. if i change the partition type back, am i going to jack the data on the drive?
19:46<cesurasean>I386
19:47<cesurasean>it's a VIA socket 462 motherboard....
19:47<cesurasean>I know the chipset, but can't find the manual on the jumpers...
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19:47<cesurasean>and I'm thinking it's a jumper issue, because the back of the ethernet cards get lit up when I plug a ethernet cable to them....
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19:47<cesurasean>lspci isn't finding anything though...
19:49<enouf>cesurasean: is that a real old mobo? (i should know offhand, but i'm brainfarting)
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19:49<erKURITA>http://paste.debian.net/14112/ talk about irony...
19:50<erKURITA>ups
19:50<enouf>cesurasean: is it possible it's an ISA card? 10mbit?
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19:50<erKURITA>regardless, with the extra s it does nothing
19:50<erKURITA>the program installed anyway
19:51<erKURITA>o_O
19:51<cesurasean>no its not ISA
19:51<cesurasean>its PCI
19:51<enouf>cesurasean: in BIOS, enable a resource for it, and [Enable] Plug-N-Pray BIOS, and if it is indeed PCI, move it to another slot
19:51<cesurasean>and the onboard ethernet isnt showing up either...
19:51<erKURITA>removing it removes Gnome?
19:51<erKURITA>what a load
19:51<enouf>also, try lshw, hwinfo ,see if either of those finds it
19:51<cesurasean>I have moved to another slot. let me try what you just said as far as plug and play, etc
19:51<enouf>cesurasean: ^^^^^^^
19:51<cesurasean>hold on
19:51<cesurasean>booting up machine now
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19:52<cesurasean>h/o
19:52<sejje>anyone know what driver is optimal for an intel x3100?
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19:55<enouf>pnpbios-tools and pnputils are the two pkgs i was thinking of that might help cesurasean - and/or run update-pciids, but lspci should atleast show the slot occupied, without info, saying Unknown
19:55<enouf>sejje: what is it
19:55<sejje>my video card
19:55<sejje>works with vesa, but not well.
19:55<enouf>lspci -nn | grep VGA
19:56<enouf>i would guess the Xorg 'intel' or 'i810' driver, if that's what you mean
19:56<cesurasean>I've played with two jumpers. One wouldn't show video when I changed it, so I changed it back. The other one reset CMOS.
19:56<cesurasean>so, I have it into bios right now.
19:56<sejje>i810 didn't work
19:56<sejje>but i haven't tried intel
19:56<cesurasean>let me see if the settings are correct.
19:56<sejje>actually i put that in, but apparently i don't have it.
19:57<enouf>install xserver-xorg-video-intel (or -all, and -input-all)
19:57<enouf>sejje: is that Lenny?
19:57<sejje>etch
19:57<enouf>ok
19:57<sejje>that's funny, i saw it listed wrong as -intel-video
19:57<enouf>lspci -nn | grep VGA sejje
19:57<sejje>and so coudln't find it ;
19:58<enouf>heh. they all are -video-name .. ;-)
19:58<sejje>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 03)
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19:58<amphi>sejje: try update-pciids and lscpi again
19:59<sejje>because of that sorry description?
19:59<sejje>lol
19:59<sejje> Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
19:59<cesurasean>ok, im into the pci part of the bois
19:59<enouf>amphi: yeah, ouch, ~$ grep '8086\ .*2a02' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap returned zilch :-/ .. heh
19:59<sejje>ty (late), it took me forever to find out what card i had in the first place. ::sigh::
19:59<cesurasean>PCI/VGA p[alette snoop? enable?
19:59<cesurasean>or diable?
20:00<enouf>erm, Disable
20:00<sejje>are you guys just not convinced intel is best?
20:00<enouf>that's for old old .. iirc, dammit ...
20:00<sejje>the best driver i mean?
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20:00<enouf>sejje: does Xorg work right now?
20:00<sejje>yeah
20:00<sejje>just
20:00<cesurasean>ok, well, I don't see plug and play within the bios
20:01<sejje>i can't switch back out of it to tty1
20:01<sejje>i can, but
20:01<sejje>nothign's there
20:01<enouf>sejje: what's grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log say ?
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20:01<cesurasean>it's an old pheonix bios
20:01<sejje>so if i close X i have to reboot
20:01<enouf>sejje: easy, pastebin it
20:01<enouf>sejje: and i only want the video ones, not the keys/mouse - so, if you can show one line, it's ok here
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20:01<sejje>the relevant one is Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so
20:01<enouf>cesurasean: yikes
20:02<enouf>cesurasean: how old - i have 1999 pheonix bios and older, i have PnP
20:02<enouf>options
20:02<cesurasean>2000
20:02<cesurasean>where do I find the pnp option?
20:02<cesurasean>it should be pnp when I reset the cmos anyways, right?
20:02<enouf>cesurasean: not sure which Jumper you refer to - one most certainly is the CMOS jumper
20:03<cesurasean>should I load failsafe options, or optimal and try it?
20:03<enouf>you might want to reflash the BIOS, or reset it even, sure
20:03<cesurasean>yeah, one is cmos, and im not sure what the other one does, but it won't boot up when I switch the other one.
20:03<enouf>try failsafe 1st
20:03<cesurasean>ok
20:03<cesurasean>let me try failsafe then
20:03<cesurasean>:P
20:03<cesurasean>h/o and thank you enouf
20:03<enouf>np
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20:03<enouf>spence: ok, vesa
20:04<enouf>sejje: erm ok vesa
20:04-!-tetrimino [~tetrimino@0x57373fcd.mrbnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #debian
20:04<spence>We're Now Seeking For A New IRCop, For More Info Type /Server -m IRC.P2PChat.Net -j #Morpheus
20:04<spence>We're Now Seeking For A New IRCop, For More Info Type /Server -m IRC.P2PChat.Net -j #Morpheus
20:04<enouf>...
20:04<sejje>lol
20:04<tetrimino>i'll never upgrade again.. :(
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20:04<sejje>i'm giggleing at that^^
20:04<sejje>-e
20:04<enouf>[20:04:51] Ignoring *!*@218.7.191.182 ... what a relief!
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20:05<sejje>enouf: i think maybe i need "i965" (after some googling)
20:05<enouf>!ops spence is ~Admins@218.7.191.182 (Adminisstrator) is a spammer
20:05<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: spence is ~Admins@218.7.191.182 (Adminisstrator) is a spammer
20:06<enouf>sejje: on etch?
20:06<sejje>enouf: i'm running etch, although i don't know what you're asking me.
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20:06<enouf>sejje: i didn't even know that one exists, even for lenny / sid . .anyways, if it's available, the -video-all pkg would pull it in
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20:06<enouf>otherwise you'd need either a) a backport, or b) a new Xorg
20:07<enouf>which means new libc6
20:07<enouf>sejje: one moment
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20:07<enouf>You have searched for packages that names contain xserver-xorg-video-i965 in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results
20:08<cesurasean>anyone else having problems with youtube tonight? :(
20:08<enouf>cesurasean: which specific one, i'll try my script ;-)
20:08<sejje>enouf: i think intel provides it at their website. would it not work that way?
20:09<cesurasean>lspci isn't finding anything in failsafe settings on the bios either... :/
20:09<cesurasean>try youtube.com
20:09<cesurasean>the whole site is down
20:09<cesurasean>I can ping it, but their webserver seems down.
20:09<enouf>sejje: well, not sure it would/wouldn't work - but .. we should have a driver that does
20:09*enouf <-- more coffee
20:10<newsense>apt-cache show xserver-
20:10<newsense>
20:10<newsense>
20:10<newsense>
20:10<newsense>
20:10<newsense>g-video-intel | grep 965
20:10-!-newsense was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
20:10<sejje>enouf: like i said, vesa is working somewhat. i also haven't actually tried the intel driver yet, because i haven't wanted to reboot yet ;)
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20:10<newsense>oops sorry
20:10<newsense>
20:10<newsense>
20:10<enouf>...
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20:10<Travis3XL>#Literatura
20:10<lucas_amorim>Hello, I am trying to log in a computer in my local lan by using ssh, but
20:10<enouf>sejje: man intel
20:10<cesurasean>hwinfo isn't working on the system. command not found.
20:10<cesurasean>I can run lspci, but shows nothing...
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20:10<sejje>it is supported there
20:11<cesurasean>and im in failsafe settings on bios
20:11<sejje>so i'll give it a reboot, brb.
20:11<cesurasean>:/
20:11<enouf>sejje: you don't need to reboot, you restart X
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20:11<lucas_amorim>I am getting this error message: ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.3 port 22: Connection refused
20:11<enouf>sejje: no
20:11<sejje>err
20:11<enouf>sejje: restart X
20:11<sejje>i'll try that, i'm not sure it'll work.
20:11<enouf>...
20:11<lucas_amorim>how do I make it work?
20:11<cesurasean>lucas_amorim: are you sure that is the port that ssh is on?
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20:11<enouf>cesurasean: try the optimal ones - anything about Ethernet in the BIOS - is it an onboard NIC?
20:12<cesurasean>yes, 1 onboard, and 2 pci
20:12<sejje>enouf: because like i said, when X closes, i don't go back to a console. i have to reboot.
20:12<lucas_amorim>well, by default openssh-server will use it, won't it?
20:12<cesurasean>none of them will work
20:12<enouf>cesurasean: you said something about video not working - AGP card? PCI?
20:12<enouf>...
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20:12<cesurasean>no, video works fine, and its oboard video
20:12<cesurasean>it only doesnt work when I play with that 1 jumper, other than the cmos jumper
20:12<enouf>sejje: which DM are you using?
20:12<sejje>eh?
20:12<enouf>sejje: ls -l /etc/init.d/*dm
20:12<cesurasean>shouldn't lspci show me all of my usb ports, etc also?
20:13<enouf>cesurasean: no, lsb would
20:13<enouf>cesurasean: no, lsusb would
20:13<sejje>gdm
20:13<enouf>sejje: do /etc/init.d/gdm restart
20:13<cesurasean>well, its not even showing the onboard ethernet either
20:13<cesurasean>which isn't pci
20:13<cesurasean>and hwinfo command isn't a valid command...
20:13<enouf>...
20:13<enouf>cesurasean: install it
20:13<enouf>and lshw
20:14<cesurasean>I haven't even installed linux yet..
20:14<cesurasean>I am on the install screens
20:14<sejje>enouf: isn't gdm the gnome login that starts automatically? i've set my runlevel to 3 and i run enlightenment, if that's relevant...
20:14<newsense>maybe hwutils ?
20:14<enouf>cesurasean: you should figure what that "1 jumper" is /does
20:14<cesurasean>can't get past the ethernet part, and im running a network version of debian, not the full DVD
20:14<sejje>enouf: anyway, gdm restart didn't do anything noticable.
20:14<enouf>sejje: if you want to restart X correctly that;s how
20:14<amphi>sejje: I have an i965 here - what is the problem?
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20:14<cesurasean>well, either way, that jumper doesn't do anything when I change it. My video doesn't work.
20:15<cesurasean>I thought about that also, but it doesn't seem to be the problem.
20:15<cesurasean>but, there is 2 more jumpers on the board also....
20:15<enouf>sejje: why are you restarting X anyway?
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20:15<sejje>amphi: i just want to know the best driver to use, because i'm having some issues that someone told me was related to drivers
20:15<enouf>sejje: why are you rebooting anyway?
20:15<cesurasean>so 4 jumpers in total
20:15<sejje>enouf: restarting x to use new driver
20:15<cesurasean>1 cmos, 1 that doesn't do shit but mess up the video, and then 2 near the back of the board near the USB
20:15<enouf>!tell sejje about drxx
20:15<samantha-b->so i have a used-to-be-usb drive. i ripped the case off and popped the drive out and hung it on the sata bus. the partition table lists it as type aa (unknown) although when i fdisk'd the drive originally it was set up as 83 (Linux) and formatted ext3. if i change the partition type back, am i going to jack the data on the drive?
20:15<cesurasean>do you think it could be the jumpers near the USB?
20:15<newsense>try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:16<amphi>sejje: intel; for 3d accel you need the kernel drm module i915, but I believe nowadays X can modprobe that itself
20:16<cesurasean>near the USB, video, etc there is two jumpers
20:16-!-latitude_ [~grim@k3-gw.portaone.com] has joined #debian
20:16<cesurasean>and 4 rows of things to jump
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20:16<amphi>sejje: xserver-xorg-video-intel
20:16<enouf>cesurasean: go find your Motherboard PDF manual online
20:16<cesurasean>how can I go about finding a manual for this motherboard without looking for days on end for it?
20:16<sejje>amphi: yeah, i just installed that and haven't done anythign since.
20:16<cesurasean>can you give some advice on that enouf?
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20:16<cesurasean>I know the chipset, but not the MOBO model....
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20:16<cesurasean>it's a VIA chipset
20:16<amphi>sejje: it works fine here; what probs are you having?
20:17<enouf>cesurasean: hwinfo, lshal , even dmidecode would show you the make/model
20:17-!-kurumin [~kurumin@189-1-177-17.ntelecom.com.br] has joined #debian
20:17<enouf>cesurasean: or Open the Case and look
20:17<latitude_>hi, there
20:17<sejje>amphi: i can't switch to virtual consoles, and if i close X, i dont' get a console back--just a blank screen
20:17<cesurasean>it's not on the board. :/ let me try those commands
20:17<enouf>lshw as well
20:17<sejje>amphi: so i have to reboot if i shutdown X
20:17<enouf>cesurasean: you have to install all, except lshal
20:17<cesurasean>lshal not found
20:17<enouf>lshal | less
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20:17<amphi>sejje: you're on lenny?
20:17<enouf>that too then
20:17<sejje>amphi: etch
20:17<enouf>amphi: he said Etch ...
20:18<enouf>i mean - who knows though ;-)
20:18<amphi>enouf: not when I was listening
20:18<amphi>;)
20:18<cesurasean>how do I install anything? I'm using the terminal command prompt during install....
20:18<amphi>sejje: I wouldn't excpect a 965 to work too well on etch
20:18<cesurasean>you understand now dude?
20:18<amphi>sejje: I would upgrade to lenny
20:18<sejje>amphi: okay.
20:18<cesurasean>I need my network card so I can finish my install. :)
20:18<cesurasean>and it's not even finding the onboard one, strange.
20:18<cesurasean>should I try a different kind of PCI card, and see if it can find that one?
20:19<amphi>sejje: I lot of things improved on that card in the last iterations of the driver on lenny
20:19<cesurasean>something other than ethernet?
20:19<sejje>enouf: i'm newb, but not as newb as you think. no thanks for the scoff. many thanks for the help.
20:19<enouf>cesurasean: boot a livecd with those tools - or read the stamp on the motherboard
20:19<sejje>amphi: alright. i'm going to try this real quick, and if it doesn't work i'll upgrade to testing.
20:19<cesurasean>good idea
20:20<cesurasean>let me try a live cd of mepis
20:20<cesurasean>;)
20:20<enouf>cesurasean: grml.org is one such small uility livecd - small version
20:20<cesurasean>thanks enouf, you are a smart dude.
20:20<enouf>or that, whatever
20:20<amphi>sejje: good luck, but I think you'll continue to suffer
20:20<enouf>i have my moments ;-)
20:20<cesurasean>thanks enouf. you mind if I can get your IM handle other than on IRC? haha ;)
20:20<enouf>cesurasean: i don't do IM
20:21<cesurasean>ah
20:21<cesurasean>I see
20:21<cesurasean>let me try that live cd and see what it gives me
20:21<enouf>s/a/l <-no ;-)
20:21<cesurasean>ill be back in about 5 - 10 mins dude. thanks for all your help enouf.
20:21<cesurasean>LOL
20:21<enouf>np
20:21<cesurasean>s/a/l was YEARS ago
20:21<cesurasean>or do they still do that?
20:21<enouf>no facebook, myspace weenies here
20:21<ben_goodger>I believe it was A/S/L
20:21<amphi>cesurasean: a/s/l/u nowadays
20:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 351] by debhelper
20:22<enouf>omg, yuo guys know it :-P
20:22<cesurasean>what does u stand for?
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20:22<enouf>i only saw others using it , haha
20:22<amphi>cesurasean: uptime ;)
20:22<cesurasean>lmao
20:22<enouf>amphi: haha
20:22<cesurasean>I hear ya
20:22<ben_goodger>and no, people actually just ask for a social networking username from which all other information may now be divined
20:22<erKURITA>that uptime is relative
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20:23<cesurasean>I feel like I'm currently chatting in a chat room full of smart asses around me.
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20:23<cesurasean>:D
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20:23<cesurasean>brb
20:24<ben_goodger>cesurasean: you are surprisingly astute, and will no doubt go far
20:24<ben_goodger>:P
20:24<tetrimino>is there any casual channels on this server?
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20:25<sejje>enouf & amphi: the intel driver solved the problem. many thanks for help, sirs!
20:26<amphi>sejje: it works well on etch?
20:26<sejje>yes
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20:26<amphi>sejje: dri 'n all?
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20:26<enouf>heh glxinfo ?
20:26<enouf>sejje: good news
20:26<sejje>amphi: i dont' know about that, but it solved my problems with virtual consoles & gave improved resolution
20:27<enouf>tetrimino: erm, not sure - tried #defocus?
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20:28<enouf>amphi: install mesautils, and run glxinfo to see dri info? or is that bad? and/or is there another way?
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20:29<sejje>amphi: since you're curious, i did still get an AIGLX error
20:29<amphi>enouf: fine; there's also xdriinfo
20:29<cesurasean>enouf: I have the mepis cd, and I also grabbed a PCI ATA controller card which has a bois on it. So once I put that card in, I should know if the pci slots are not working like they should. :P
20:29<cesurasean>give me a few moments please, and don't run away.
20:29<enouf>sejje: do that - many of us get AIGLX errors ;-) not a prob for many
20:29<cesurasean>haha
20:29<enouf>cesurasean: ok, slow down too :-P
20:30<sejje>enouf: do what? i don't think it's a problem, i just wanted to stop getting stuck with no console--i think it's sufficient as-is now.
20:30<amphi>sejje: I wouldn't worry about that unless it's preventing you doing something
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20:30<sejje>amphi: yeah, it's not.
20:30<enouf>cesurasean: if lspci shows all good, pastebin output of lspci , dmesg , and lsmod
20:30<cesurasean>ok
20:30<cesurasean>hold on
20:30<enouf>sejje: yeah, no biggy
20:31<cesurasean>any clue why youtube isn't working for me? I see it's working for others.....
20:31<cesurasean>should I call my ISP? I'm able to ping them....
20:31<cesurasean>but pings were going bad at first, and now im able to ping fine
20:31<enouf>sejje: especially if it Just Works [tm] ;-)
20:31<cesurasean>connections issues, perhaps?
20:31<enouf>cesurasean: i asked you to slow down
20:32<cesurasean>ok, PCI is working fine
20:32<cesurasean>I got the bios to the ATA card
20:32<cesurasean>so the PCI slots are working...
20:32<cesurasean>it's a configuration issue, I am guessing....
20:33<enouf>~$ youtube.sh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkLtXfsPqVQ works fine here cesurasean
20:33<cesurasean>booting into mepis right now
20:33<amphi>cesurasean: you're making my display excessively magenta
20:33<sejje>lol
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20:33<enouf>amphi: i hate that .. :-)
20:33<amphi>heh
20:33<enouf>happens all the time ..
20:33<cesurasean>ha
20:34<cesurasean>I don't even know what magenta is.
20:34<cesurasean>redish?
20:34<ben_goodger>cesurasean: bright, bright pink
20:34<amphi>0xff00ff
20:34<cesurasean>ah
20:34<ben_goodger>obscenely pink
20:34<cesurasean>I prefer to stay away from pink myself.
20:34<cesurasean>haha
20:34<sejje>i tint my consoles magenta...
20:35<amphi>that's what nickcolor.pl gave you
20:35<cesurasean>my color is pink when I type?
20:35<cesurasean>LOL
20:35<cesurasean>no wonder people think im *crazy*.
20:35<cesurasean>haha
20:35<ben_goodger>¬.¬
20:35<enouf>!youtube script
20:35<dpkg>rumour has it, youtube script is see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer
20:35<ben_goodger>to coin a phrase
20:36<amphi>enouf: nice - you just point at the page url, or do you need the <embed blah> one
20:36<amphi>?
20:36<cesurasean>calling ISP now to ask them what's up with youtube. hopefully I wasn't blocked. :(
20:36<enouf>amphi: nope, just the script and the regular URL ;-)
20:37<cesurasean>I'll hunt down youtube if they blocked me. haha
20:37<enouf>amphi: check the factoid again ;-)
20:37<amphi>enouf: factoid says nothing about which url; of course, I haven't followed the link in the factoid yet ;)
20:38<amphi>did you write it?
20:38<enouf>amphi: i'm not sure, which URL thje <embed one> is .. never bothered to look - but pretty sure it's the standard one like i mentioned above -> <enouf> ~$ youtube.sh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkLtXfsPqVQ works fine here cesurasean
20:38<cesurasean>ah, the live cd shows lspci. :)
20:38<cesurasean>must be a bug with debian etch.
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20:38<cesurasean>:P
20:38<enouf>amphi: yep, n3kl + myself ;-)
20:38<cesurasean>good work enouf
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20:38<cesurasean>what would you say the problem is with etch?
20:38*enouf bows humbly
20:38<cesurasean>why won't it find these things and mepis will?
20:39<streuner>ask a debian question
20:39<cesurasean>it's a linksys ethernet card ( probably old school )
20:39<enouf>cesurasean: did you pastebing the outputs i asked for?
20:39<enouf>-g
20:39<Gekz>enouf: you cant use youtube-dl?
20:40<cesurasean>I can't pastebin. it's on another machine without internet
20:40<cesurasean>im in my garage
20:40<cesurasean>lol
20:40<enouf>Gekz: i don't know - i know it's in python .. that's all i know
20:40<enouf>about it
20:40<Gekz>lol.
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20:41<enouf>Gekz: mine is much simpler anyways - i've heard some mention youtube-dl didn't work for them, but never followed up on it - could be many reasons
20:41<cesurasean>I have to reboot
20:41<Gekz>could be they simply fail.
20:41<Gekz>lol
20:41<cesurasean>ill be back enouf.
20:42<enouf>Gekz: i've d// the youtube-dl pkg and peeked inside to see how it works - saw python - ran away O_o
20:42<cesurasean><--- windows user ;)
20:42<Gekz>how mature.
20:42<enouf>Gekz: you fail ;-)
20:42<Gekz>no, I don't.
20:42<amphi>enouf: that's very handy, thanks
20:42<enouf>Gekz: when i say that - i mean, i don't know any python, so i couldn't really make use of it's contents
20:43<enouf>amphi: ;-)
20:43<amphi>it worketh like unto a dream
20:43<Gekz>enouf: lol.
20:43<enouf>amphi: tell your friends ;-)
20:44<amphi>enouf: it's my new email .sig ;)
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20:44<enouf>!\o/
20:44<dpkg>[\o/] w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
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20:45<enouf>amphi: i just hope youBOOB's hit counters don't go down so much from using this/these other scripts that they then Change the friggin way they embed the URLs .. ugh
20:45-!-svend [~svend@D-69-91-132-174.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:45<enouf>you know - Hide them even moreso, using AJAX and Chlorox :-P
20:46-!-gary [gary@S01060010dc8b870c.tb.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:46<amphi>enouf: I highly doubt they'll notice
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20:46<enouf>amphi: you have a point ;-)
20:47-!-adema [~adema@ACaen-152-1-19-157.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:47<amphi>enouf: but nice for the determinedly flashless
20:48<enouf>my entire goal - as the factoid mentions - Someone has got to do something about all this Bloat :-)
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20:54<enouf>amphi: now, onto much larger issues, what are we to do about all these stinkin "firmwares"? As it pertains to dfsg/sc .. in kernel, out of kernel, in non-free, etc etc .. sigh
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20:55<amphi>I have some here :(
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20:56<monos>Hola...
20:56<enouf>amphi: (please correct me if i'm wrong here) sejje: oh, just remembered, you likely want to dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-* to see if glx and dri are installed
20:57<amphi>enouf: sure, if he wants to run opengl stuff
20:57<enouf>amphi: i know - it's a struggle (decisions) - and it shouldn't be this way
20:57<amphi>and stellarium is very nice
20:57<monos>Hola... no se si estoy en el lugar correcto... alguien habla español???
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20:57<enouf>amphi: i see - cool - now what was the Kernel module you mentioned? is it called "dri" ?
20:57<ranix>!es
20:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:58<amphi>i915 for 965
20:58<amphi>it'll pull in drm
20:58<enouf>ahh , thanks amphi
20:58<ranix>dri
20:58<ranix>not drm
20:58<ranix>lol
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20:58<amphi>ranix: the module name is drm - direct rendering manager, I believe
20:58<enouf>amphi: nice ;-) /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i915.ko
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20:59<ranix>amphi: that's an unfortunately named package
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20:59<ranix>Life isn't easy for a boy named Sue
20:59<amphi>ranix: why? you fear digital restrictions management in the kernel?
20:59<enouf>haha
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21:00<gary>!IDENTIFY
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21:00<ranix>amphi: I wouldn't say I fear it. It's more like having a cat named "vermin"
21:00<amphi>heh
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21:00<enouf>amphi: bingo --> ~$ grep i915 /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep
21:00<enouf>i see drm.ko ;-)
21:01<amphi>of course ;)
21:01<amphi>run for the hills!
21:01<enouf>hah!
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21:01<enouf>Stinkin Managers! :-p
21:01<amphi>ranix: I always thought a daughter named 'Nausea' would have a nice classical ring
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21:02<enouf>heh, it does actually .. shame ;-)
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21:03<enouf>so does Fallopian
21:03<ranix>lol
21:03<enouf>:-p
21:04<enouf>can you imagine naming your kid after a STD .. like scabies ? hahaha
21:05<noflash> /ignore -replies enouf
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21:05<amphi>you might get away with Gonorrhea ;)
21:05<qq>witch will be the next name for testing ?
21:06<enouf>amphi: ...
21:06<enouf>:-P
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21:06<amphi>it's worse in the other channel
21:06<enouf>qq: er.. hrm .. i forget now, .. unless i never knew :-0
21:07<qq>enouf: no worry ;)
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21:07<amphi>enouf: heh, I thought I had known, and forgotten, and was then unsure even of that
21:07<enouf>i feel your pain .. and i smell your brainfart :-P
21:08<amphi>*snort*
21:09*qq listening http://64.62.252.136:5100
21:09<amphi>some infernal din, I'll be bound
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21:10<cesurasean>enouf: I can't drag this computer inside unless it's a MUST do. But, why would mepis work, and debian etch won't? doesn't make sense to me. Seems like an error in the debian OS setup.
21:10<cesurasean>should I burn lenny and see if that one works?
21:10<cesurasean>I'd prefer to be stable though...
21:10<cesurasean>( haha im not sure if stable is even possible for me )
21:11<qq> haha
21:11<enouf>cesurasean: well, thing is, all older hardware should be cake for Etch
21:11<amphi>lenny's going to be stable RSN ;)
21:11<cesurasean>then why is the live cd working, and not the setup of debian?
21:11<cesurasean>can you explain that? you seem smart enough....
21:11<cesurasean>pnp options?
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21:11<cesurasean>mepis is just more plug and play?
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21:12<enouf>cesurasean: or instead of ALL the stuff i mentioned, grab the relevant lspci -nn options for your nick, plus say dmesg | grep -i eth output, that should be only a few lines total
21:12<cesurasean>on the live CD?
21:13<enouf>cesurasean: i'm thinking some psycho module is all
21:13<enouf>cesurasean: yes, from the mepis cd
21:13<cesurasean>psycho module, or psycho user? ;)
21:13<enouf>!pebkac
21:13<dpkg>somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/
21:13<cesurasean>ok, let me run that command. h/o
21:13<enouf>;-)
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21:14<enouf>noflash: too many thai women lately? O_o
21:14<cesurasean>what do you mean by grab the lspci options? can you explain further for this idiot here? ;)
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21:15<enouf>cesurasean: "lspci -nn | grep -i eth" , if no name/description is given, drop the -nn part - also try just -k
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21:15<cesurasean>thx
21:15<enouf>cesurasean: we're trying to notice which kernel module you need
21:15<enouf>cesurasean: lsmod shows all loaded kernel modules
21:15<cesurasean>ok, it gives me 2 names.
21:16<enouf>show us
21:16<sejje>enouf: i bow down at your grep capabilities. i pray to have them someday.
21:16<cesurasean>how do I pastebin in here?
21:16<cesurasean>!pastebin
21:16<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:16<cesurasean>nm
21:16<enouf>sejje: grep is easiest - you can do it - then move on swiftly into awk and sed ;-)
21:16<cesurasean>hold on buddy. thank you for your much needed help today...
21:16<cesurasean>pasting now
21:16<enouf>cesurasean: np
21:17*enouf needs to eat soon ..
21:17<sejje>enouf: yeah, i can do it when someone else shows me how first. ;)
21:17*enouf has no food here - so take out, or eat out it is ;-)
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21:17<sejje>enouf: like i learned a package search with grep ^blah
21:17<enouf>whoops ,, doesn't sound so good :-p
21:17<sejje>enouf: and i'm not even sure, but i assume that translates to "starts with"
21:18<enouf>sejje: yep - all nice tricks ;-)
21:18<enouf>sejje: yes, anchors to beginning of line
21:18<sejje>enouf: i had to use grep once on some website (in php), and it took me about--way too long-- to get it working.
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21:19<enouf>sejje: whereas $ means end of line - but you gotta watch out for regex and needed escapes (backslashes)
21:19<sejje>enouf: regex ::puke::
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21:19<enouf>sejje: we all struglle at first, and even now, i struggle with more complicated Bash things
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21:20<cesurasean>http://paste.lisp.org/display/64946
21:21<cesurasean>yes, we are struggle with unix. :P
21:21<qq>sejje: use gnome ?
21:21<cesurasean>everyone on Earth. haha
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21:21<enouf>sejje: better learn it ;-) i still need to - see http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ, man bash, man bash-builtins, (learn the diff between builtins and not), 'help <builtin-name>' for ex, vs man <binary equivalent>
21:21<cesurasean>now, what else did you need enouf?
21:21<enouf>one sec
21:21<cesurasean>thx
21:21<sejje>qq: eh?
21:21<qq>sejje: do you use gnome ?
21:21<cesurasean>I may be using the wrong debiab CD. :P
21:22<cesurasean>debian
21:22<sejje>englightenment
21:22<cesurasean>whoops. didn't mean to butcher our leader. haha
21:23<qq>sejje: dpkg -l | awk '/^(hi|ii)[ \t]* englightenment[ \t]+/{print $2}'
21:23<enouf>cesurasean: ok, for the REaltek, you need the 8139cp OR 8139too module, for the other one you need tulip module
21:23<enouf>~$ grep '1317\ .*0985' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap
21:23<enouf>tulip 0x00001317 0x00000985 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0
21:23<enouf>now, i don't know which is better for that REaltek
21:24<qq> 8139too
21:24<amphi>8139too has worked well on any card I threw it at, even those that cp worked witj
21:24<qq>usually
21:25<enouf>cesurasean: ok, when you use the debian installer - you switch to alt-f2 and dmesg | less to see if those (which) are loading - also try lsmod
21:25<enouf>cesurasean: i mean, is this an installer issue? i forget now O_o
21:25<cesurasean>yes, it's installer issue with etch
21:25<cesurasean>so let me boot into etch
21:25<cesurasean>h/o please, sir.
21:25<enouf>cesurasean: wait
21:25<cesurasean>I have to remove a card, and boot up etch
21:25<cesurasean>ok
21:26<enouf>cesurasean: you can pass modulenames at the boot: prompt - see the Installation Guide - as will i
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21:26<cesurasean>AH
21:26<cesurasean>I see now
21:26<cesurasean>I understand what you are saying now, sir. ;)
21:26<cesurasean>enouf the linux guru haha
21:26<cesurasean>hopefully someday i'll be as knowledgeable as you are.
21:26<cesurasean>:P
21:26<cesurasean><kisses ass>
21:27<cesurasean>ok, let me go ahead and boot into etch install
21:27<cesurasean>and remove a pci card
21:27<cesurasean>one moment
21:27<cesurasean>which one would yuo say is the onboard, and which is the linksys card?
21:27<cesurasean>linksys pci is the 2nd one listed?
21:27<cesurasean>I want to utilize both ethernet cards....
21:28<enouf>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s02.html.en
21:28<qq>cesurasean: >> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/
21:28<qq>debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso
21:28<cesurasean>thanks qq
21:28<cesurasean>let me grab that copy, burn it, and boot into it.
21:28<enouf>00:07.0 Ethernet Controller [0200]: ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 [1317:0985] ( rev 11 ) and 00:0e.0 Ethernet Controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. TRL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] ( rev 10 )
21:28<cesurasean>give me like 15 minutes
21:28<cesurasean>thanks
21:29<cesurasean>I could also test another card thats SMC brand that won't work either. :P
21:29<sejje>15 mins is wishful thinking IMO
21:29<cesurasean>do you want the output of that card also?
21:29<cesurasean>yeah, it may be longer than 15 minutes. haha
21:29<enouf>cesurasean: i need to go for a bit - i'll check in later - there are MANY here atleast and much more knowledgeable than i
21:29<cesurasean>true
21:29<cesurasean>thank you for your help sir
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21:29<cesurasean>ill try qq's advice....
21:30<cesurasean>brb
21:30<enouf>cesurasean: no porb - oh .. last thing, try expert{gui} bioot options even
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21:31<cesurasean>whos the expert? the machine, or myself? ;P
21:31<cesurasean>haha
21:31<cesurasean>ill brb thanks enouf for your help today.
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21:31<cesurasean>much appreciated from the poor man.
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21:33<cesurasean>is debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso lenny, or just an updated copy of the debian etch install?
21:34<rames>'evening all - what are the cool kids using for a very light-weight terminal these days? xterm seems a bit PITA to set fonts up right and gnome-terminal is ~heavy~
21:34<qq>cesurasean: I'll use only one ethernet (realtech) , to boot/install debian
21:35<qq>cesurasean: is the last etch release
21:35<infinitycircuit>rames: rxvt-unicode probably
21:35<cesurasean>ok, nice
21:35<cesurasean>maybe thats my problem
21:35<cesurasean>an older etch copy
21:35<cesurasean>;)
21:35<cesurasean>lets test and see
21:35<cesurasean>ill be back in about an hour, so it looks like.
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21:35<qq>cesurasean: >>>> [03:32:58] <qq> cesurasean:
21:35<rames>mmmhh - rxvt
21:35<qq>...
21:36<cesurasean>qq: what was that about? marking the text in the chat for records?
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21:37<qq>no , just be sure you noticed
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21:38<cesurasean>yes, I did sir.
21:38<qq>ok
21:38<cesurasean>I am downloading etch over again, and burning.
21:38<cesurasean>will be about 1 hour from the looks of the d/l speed...
21:38<cesurasean>then burning time
21:38<sejje>15 mins*
21:38<sejje>;)
21:38<cesurasean>LOL
21:38<cesurasean>sejje: go suck on something. :P
21:38<sejje>plus that's the net-inst
21:38<sejje>so you have to download packages later
21:38<cesurasean>sejje: whatever your choice may be.
21:39<cesurasean>yeah, I always use net install
21:39<sejje>cesurasean: popsicle?
21:39<cesurasean>;)
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21:39<cesurasean>I was thinking more of a spouse to suck on. haha
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21:40<cesurasean>her/or she
21:40<cesurasean>:P
21:40<sejje>offtopic
21:40<cesurasean>yep
21:40<cesurasean>sorry
21:40<sejje>anyway, i'm too young to have a spouse
21:40<cesurasean>what's your a/s/l/u?
21:40<sejje>lol
21:40<cesurasean>haha
21:41<cesurasean>I'm just kidding.
21:41<rames>(mmmhhh #debian gets you chicks)
21:41<cesurasean>how young are you in age?
21:41<sejje>just turned 25--eating bday cake now
21:41<cesurasean>you're older than I am, sir.
21:41<cesurasean><-- 23
21:41<sejje>are you spoused?
21:42<cesurasean>I wish.
21:42<cesurasean>maybe I'd not have so much time for debian then. lol
21:42<sejje>more time*
21:42<sejje>avoidance.
21:42<cesurasean>yes, more time
21:42<cesurasean>much, or more
21:42<cesurasean>same difference
21:42<sejje>nono, english was proper
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21:48<cesurasean>I think I may need to donate servers to debian someday. It's downloading far too slow. lol
21:48<cesurasean>servers, or bandwidth...
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21:52<bizhan>Hi I am in process of upgrading from sarge to etch. I am following the instruction on the debian web site, when I ran "aptitude upgrade" I get the following warning:W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
21:52<bizhan>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_contrib_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
21:52<bizhan>W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files
21:52<bizhan>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
21:52<bizhan>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_contrib_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
21:52-!-bizhan was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
21:52<ranix>that was rude
21:53<marc_>it was a bot
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21:53<marc_>flood protection
21:53<marc_>bizhan: Try not to post too much text too fast
21:54<bizhan>sorry
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21:54<bizhan>help please....
21:54<marc_>I'm not an admin
21:54<ranix>!paste
21:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:54<marc_>I was just helping you out so you don't get kicked :-)
21:55<bizhan>thanks.
21:55<schlurchz>bizhan: forgot aptitude update?
21:55<marc_>That or try a different url
21:55<marc_>I seriously doubt there is an issue with that url, but maybe the directory has moved
21:56<bizhan>Here is my sourcelist: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib
21:56<marc_>I don't think there is a problem with that
21:56<bizhan>I get the errors during running aptitude update
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21:57<schlurchz>I vaguely remember it might sometimes be necessary to run update twice when changing the sources (?)
21:58<Txt-file>bizhan: set a / behind debian
21:59<schlurchz>does that make a difference? I don't have such a slash in my sources.list.
21:59<bizhan>it is: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib so I already have the /
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21:59<schlurchz>:-)
21:59<Txt-file>bizhan: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main
22:00<bizhan>oh okay let me try that
22:00<schlurchz>actually he has 3 slashes, should be enough :-)
22:00<bizhan>same errors
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22:01<ranix>try ftp://debiab.lcs.mit.edu/debian/
22:02<ranix>if that works and you're closer to the west coast, try the stanford mirrors instead
22:03<bizhan>I am by standford area actually, here is my source lists: deb ftp://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ etch main contrib and I get the same errors.
22:05<CertainQuirk>this is one of my source lines... maybe take off the last / ? deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main
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22:07<mmavipc>!x
22:08<mmavipc>how do i reconfigure x on etch?
22:08<Txt-file>bizhan: have you read this?
22:08<mmavipc>nvm
22:08<bizhan>Yes, I am on serial console. not using x
22:09<gsimmons>!drxx
22:09<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
22:09<gsimmons>mmavipc: ^^^^
22:10<bizhan>Okay I got furthure now I get this error: gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error
22:10<bizhan>what that means?
22:10<marc_>it looks like your download wasn't complete
22:11<marc_>or you lost some packets?
22:11<dpalacio>bizhan: is your disk full?
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22:11<bizhan>only 2% IN USE ACCORDING TO df command
22:12<dpalacio>the one hosting /var?
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22:15<bizhan>I am getting this warrning: w: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dist_etch_main_binary-powerpc_Packages)
22:15<qq>ignore it
22:15<enouf>i hope you're on powerpc arch O_o
22:16<qq>sometimes
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22:17<qq>enouf: >>> ftp://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-powerpc/
22:17<bizhan>yes I am on ppc. so I am going to ignore it and do the aptitude upgrade next.
22:18<bizhan>Hey it seems it is downloading header files, thanks guys if it works, lunch on me.
22:18<qq> no more that... Packages
22:18<enouf>bizhan: sure, one of your files on disk, is likely old. non-existant, or is wrong - i've had to clear out that dir in the past - i just moved them all into an 'oldlists' dir i made
22:18<bizhan>no after I ignore it as you said, it seems it is upgrading fine.
22:19<qq>sure
22:19<enouf>bizhan: i always do massive upgrades from runlevel1 as well ;-)
22:20<bizhan>oh okay thanks so far so good seems I am downloading all the packages fine. thanks so much.
22:20<enouf>bizhan: and you will eventually do a dist-upgrade to get all the way up to etch
22:20<ranix>gj
22:20<ranix>I didn't think he could be using powerpc
22:20<ranix>there's only one CPU architecture! It's unthinkable!
22:21<bizhan>you mean aptitute dist-upgrade ?
22:21<enouf>qq: donde esta fxiny?
22:21<enouf>bizhan: yep
22:21<qq>[04:15:13] <bizhan> yes I am on ppc
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22:21<Pitecantropus>Hi
22:21<bizhan>thanks.
22:21<mmavipc>Hi
22:21<mmavipc>!b-s
22:21<enouf>qq: and, i was saying the powerpc thing to bizhan ;-)
22:21<mmavipc>!bs
22:21<dpkg>somebody said bs was Bullshit. Bahamas, or an annoying pain in the ass, so be smart: /ignore bs
22:21<Pitecantropus>... i´m getting a lot of "unresolved symbols" after a new kernel recompilation ... sounds known
22:21<enouf>mmavipc: what do you want?
22:22<Pitecantropus>isn´t?
22:22<mmavipc>build essentials install command
22:22<enouf>build-essential?
22:22<enouf>!b-e
22:22<mmavipc>theres no s?
22:22<dpkg>well, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
22:22<mmavipc>oh gawd
22:22<mmavipc>i'm an idiot
22:22<enouf>no, no plural
22:22<enouf>no, just a brainfartt ;-)
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22:22<enouf>it's catchin :-P
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22:24<mmavipc>How do i make it so i dont hjave to inster my cd every time i wanna use apt-install
22:24<mmavipc>How do i make it so i dont hjave to inster my cd every time i wanna use apt-get
22:24<mmavipc>it's very annoying
22:24<ranix>remove the deb line for the cd
22:24<qq>ranix: ?
22:24<newsense>comment out cd with # in /etc/apt/sources.list
22:25<mmavipc>k thx
22:25<Pitecantropus>how about to convert a kernel rpm package into a deb using alien? pretty risky
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22:25<qq>ranix: 04:18:41] <ranix> "there's only one CPU architecture! It's unthinkable!" ?
22:25<newsense>never tried it
22:26<ranix>qq: x86
22:26<Pitecantropus>but it seemed to work ...
22:26<qq>I'm useing 3 CPU architecture
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22:26<Txt-file>qq: x86, x86_64, ppc??
22:26<ranix>yeah I have a mips and an arm here myself
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22:26*newsense would install debian on my ps3 if it didnr require a 40g backup destination
22:27<qq> x86 , powerpc, motorola
22:27<newsense>err 4 gig
22:27<ranix>still don't think of architecture differences
22:27<ranix>newsense: you can use cfis
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22:28<ranix>although I don't think a ps3 is worth much as a computer
22:28<amphi>enouf: BTW, I found the addition of '-xy 2' to mplayer in your script, an improvement
22:28<Txt-file>ranix: in boinc is 4pc=1PS3 ... I've heared
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22:29<bizhan><qq> The instructions says: do the aptitude install initrd-tools and then aptitue install libfam0 xlibmesa-glu
22:29<bizhan>should I just do the aptitute dist-upgrade
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22:30<qq>aptitute upgrade?
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22:30<sejje>i had linux on my xbox a long time ago
22:31<sejje>i should put it back on.
22:31<sejje>it was fun.
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22:32<bizhan><qq> the command "aptitude upgrade" was succesful, my question is what I should do next as what you suggested or just follow the instructions?
22:32<gsimmons>bizhan: You'd want to follow the procedure as described in the release notes (I'm assuming you're at "4.5.4.1 Upgrading a desktop system"). It's no longer simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade" WRT sarge->etch.
22:32<offtopic>Hey, I just did a net-install of the latest Debian distro (generic, Desktop enviorment), and am getting an error booting for the first time. When trying to load GDM, Xorg spits out that no display devices found (using the nv driver). I know I have an nvidia card (it's a laptop). I'm a little lost since I didn't customize anything. Any suggestions on how I would fix this?
22:32<newsense>ranix: cfis ?
22:32<newsense>ranix: googled cfis but didnt see anything related to ps3 or linux or backing up ps3
22:33<ranix>sorry, cifs
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22:34<newsense>ranix: do you know if ps3 supports backing up this way ?
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22:34<ranix>it is extremely likely
22:34<newsense>ill look into it thanks
22:34<Txt-file1>offtopic: I have the same problem at my 2nd desk ... install the nvidia-driver (from the nvidia-page) solved the problem
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22:35<newsense>i own a unch of mp3 players that dont work with ps3 and the ones that do are under 4 gigs ;P
22:35<Pitecantropus>The X Window System by default uses the XDM display manager. However, resolving XDM configuration issues typically involves editing a configuration file. GDM allows users to customize or troubleshoot settings without...
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22:36<offtopic>Txt_file: really? alright, and it's not in aptitude, right?
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22:37<cesurasean>qq: that upgraded etch version isn't working either. same issue....
22:38<cesurasean>so I need to give the commands on the first screen of the install program?
22:38<Txt_file>offtopic: it's a few days ago ... I have loaded the propritary nvidia-driver and run the install ... after this and let setup the installer setup the xorg.conf it worked
22:38<qq>cesurasean: i dunno
22:38<cesurasean>:/
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22:40<offtopic>Txt_file: alrighty, thanks
22:40<Txt_file>np
22:41<qq>cesurasean: I installed more than 1.000 pc , never have such issue
22:41<cesurasean>me either.
22:41<qq>so up to you to find
22:42<qq>or send it to me ... for installing
22:43<cesurasean>LOL
22:43<cesurasean>it's not even worth sending out. it's an old pos
22:43<cesurasean>why does mepis work, and debian won't though? thats where I fail to understand. modules?
22:43<qq>CPU[Pentium III (Katmai) clocked at 448.070 Mhz] Kernel[Linux 2.6.26-1-686 i686]
22:44<newsense>update the bios and check the bios settings
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22:44<cesurasean>how can I update the bios without an OS? live cd? also, what settings inside the bios?
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22:45<newsense>shadow ram pnp os and some other crap
22:45<newsense>theres docs out there
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22:45<newsense>been a while since i had an issue with installing linux and old hardware
22:46<cesurasean>pnp os needs to be turned on, or off?
22:46<cesurasean>on?
22:46<qq>cesurasean: you just done that settings/jumpers tricks ...
22:46<Txt_file>newsense: BIOS-update is not good ... my good MSI-mainboard crashed cause I run a bios-update
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22:47<enouf>amphi: sweet ;-) thanks
22:47<newsense>sometimes its necessary
22:48<newsense>cesurasean: http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/ch-preparing.en.html
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22:49<enouf>cesurasean: f1-f10
22:49<cesurasean>I'd rather not redo the bios either. mepis works fine on this bios.
22:49<cesurasean>f1 - f10 where?
22:49<enouf>cesurasean: expert mode, load the modules you need - or read the installation guide how to do it from the boot prompt
22:49<cesurasean>on what screen? the ethernet screen?
22:49<cesurasean>ok
22:49<enouf>CD boot .. read the text ffs ;-)
22:50<newsense>cesurasean: or just hit the "turbo switch" and go for it
22:50<cesurasean>lol
22:50<cesurasean>turbo switch?
22:50<enouf>and, if you read (even skimemd) the installation guide, you'd already know all this
22:50<enouf>skimmed
22:50<cesurasean>yep
22:50<enouf>i has turbo on my p1 babyat
22:51<cesurasean>haha
22:51<enouf>48MHz ftw :-p
22:51<cesurasean>haha
22:51<cesurasean>that's a beast.
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22:51<cesurasean>1 gig hd space? lol
22:51<enouf>qq: no Deschutes? Katmai? you;re no longer a brother! :-P
22:52<cesurasean>thanks enouf
22:52<enouf>cesurasean: yep, 1.2 top be exact :-P
22:52<cesurasean>ill read these pages and try to figure it out
22:52<enouf>32MB ram w00h00
22:52<cesurasean>jesus that's a monster.
22:52<cesurasean>I'm actually clustering machines right now, and having problems with this specific unit.
22:52<cesurasean>I think it's bios settings...
22:53<bizhan>Still in process of installing etch, following instructions. I need to install kernel metapackage, I do not know what package to install, the command dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ^ii returns nothing
22:53<enouf>cesurasean: and where during installation does it fail . exactly?
22:53<qq>Clocking: 32.7MHz. MemTotal: 33752 kB
22:53<enouf>haha
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22:53<cesurasean>when it gets to finding the ethernet card
22:53<cesurasean>says No ethernet card found
22:53<cesurasean>:/
22:54<Txt_file>qq: I think my mobilephone has a faster cpu
22:54<cesurasean>and it has 2 perfectly good ones in it, that mepis finds....
22:54<enouf>bizhan: aptitude update ; aptitude search linux-image-*
22:54<cesurasean>lspci doesn't show ANY results, yet in mepis it showed ALL sorts of things....
22:54<cesurasean>a whole list of things
22:55<qq>Txt_file: BogoMips: 21.86
22:55<enouf>cesurasean: hard to believe - disable the onboard NIC? and see if it see the tulip one? or, pull the tulip one
22:55<enouf>might be an IRQ conflict, odd
22:56<cesurasean>yes, it might be an IRQ conflict. let me try with just one nic
22:56<cesurasean>h/o
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22:56<bizhan>enouf: I am using kernel 2.6.25, not sure which of the kernel ppc to use?
22:57<offtopic>Txt_file: hmm, now X starts with a blank screen and doesn't go anywhere. Is there a way to stop X from loading when booting the kernel from grub?
22:57<enouf>or even a pci i/o device space issue .. hrm - also, pass it, acpi=force - helped my p2 - but there are a ton of options to try - do what i mentioned about loading the modules needed yourself first - could even alt-f2 and modprobe tulip ; modprobe 8139too
22:57<cesurasean>nope, still can't find ethernet card with the onboard disabled.
22:57<cesurasean>and no other PCI is in use, but 1 ethernet card ( linksys brand )
22:57<enouf>bizhan: pastebin the output of what i mentioned - and make sure you also in sources.list update your security.debian.org lines
22:57<Txt_file>offtopic: damn ... I don't any
22:58<offtopic>lol, hmm. There's gotta be a way, lol
22:58<enouf>offtopic: boot into single mode - /msg dpkg nodm
22:59<Txt_file>offtopic: are there no error-messages?
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22:59<offtopic>Txt_file: nope, just a black screen. I don't think the nvidia-glx packages are supported here though.
22:59<offtopic>enouf: Thanks :)
22:59<nes_>hola
23:00<enouf>bizhan: how are you using any kernel without any kernel pkg installed?
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23:01<newsense>hand rolled?
23:01<newsense>nah
23:01<cesurasean>pnp os installed? does this need to be a yes, or no?
23:01<cesurasean>anyone know?
23:01<enouf>yes
23:01<cesurasean>perhaps that was the problemo. :P
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23:02<bizhan>I compiled the latest kernel for the powerpc that I am using (freescale) then I booted the old Debian image (sarge) Now I am trying to update to etch not sure about the kernel meta package upgrade. should I use a generic 32 bit powerpc or custom?
23:03<qq>bizhan: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep CPU
23:04<enouf>isn;t 64bit powerpc called powerpc64 or soimething?
23:04<ubuntu>anyone know much about tor?
23:04<Txt_file>!tor
23:04<dpkg>methinks tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian
23:05<bizhan>it is a 32 bit powerpc, the proc file is: cpu :e300c4
23:05-!-ubuntu is now known as foxjazz
23:05<enouf>Ports that haven't been released yet The following ports never took part in a Debian stable release, but they should appear in one, eventually. ppc64 Port to the 64 bit PPC64 architecture with a complete 64-bit user space. SuperH (sh) A fairly new port to Hitachi SuperH processors. armeb Port to big-endian ARM machines, especially to Linksys NSLU2.
23:05<foxjazz>join #ubuntu
23:05<enouf>m32r Port to the 32-bit RISC microprocessor of Renesas Technology
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23:06<enouf>http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org/
23:06<enouf>oh well
23:07<enouf>use whatever kernel you want
23:07<bizhan>I will use linux-image-2.6-powerpc
23:07*enouf has no idea what freescale is
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23:09<bizhan>Motorla sold its CPU business and it is call Freescale now.
23:09<qq>bizhan: name/type of the machine ?
23:09<enouf>Done 2007-04-10: Provide the Etch release as 'stable' in the alioth ppc64 archive 2006-04-28: Build and upload debian-installer images for ppc64 <== fwiw. pretty darned close ;-)
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23:09<bizhan>the name of machine is mpc8377 RDB
23:09<enouf>bizhan: is that oldworld Mac?
23:10<bizhan>no it is a new processor from Freescale
23:10<enouf>wow - motorola arch? http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ ? oh, ok .. hrm .. new world ppc then ;-)
23:11<foxjazz>I am trying to log into freenode net and I keep getting a banned message
23:11<enouf>get off tor
23:11<foxjazz>I am not using tor
23:11<enouf> foxjazz is ~ubuntu@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net (foxjazztor)
23:11<foxjazz>at least I don't think I am
23:11<enouf>ok
23:11<enouf>haha
23:12<foxjazz>should I get off the channel?
23:12<foxjazz>I don't understand.. I don't have tor installed on my ubuntu
23:12<enouf>yes, reconnect another way
23:12<enouf>someone haX0r3d j00
23:12<newsense>lmao
23:13<newsense>hes l33t hes in ubuntu on his tor also
23:13<newsense>probobly on windows too
23:13<foxjazz>zelazny.freenode.net- *** Banned: Tor freenode is hidden-service-only (mejokbp2brhw4omd.onion) - see freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml. (2008/08/07 02.52)
23:14<erKURITA>you have a TOR server running
23:14<erKURITA>or client otherwise
23:14<erKURITA>!tor
23:14<dpkg>tor is probably a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian
23:14<enouf>[23:11:17] foxjazz is ~ubuntu@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net (foxjazztor)
23:14<enouf>[23:11:17] on channels: #ubuntu #debian
23:14<enouf>[23:11:17] on IRC via server osmotic.oftc.net (Grapevine, TX, USA)
23:14<enouf>are you blind?
23:14<foxjazz>I did, I shut it down to do gaming. But that was from a vista computer, not ubuntu
23:14<erKURITA>foxjazz you have to fetch a new IP
23:15<erKURITA>yours' still in the TOR pool
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23:15<foxjazz>I disconnected from that channel
23:15<newsense>who are you hiding from, are they here ?
23:15<foxjazz>huh
23:15*newsense looks around suspiciously
23:15<erKURITA>you have to reconnect to the internet
23:16<enouf>[23:16:04] Ignoring *!*@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net ... what a relief!
23:16<foxjazz>what are you talking about, I am always connected to the internet
23:16<enouf>;-)
23:16<erKURITA>*sigh*
23:16<erKURITA>Anyway, off to bed. 5 am in the morning.
23:16<enouf>nite nite
23:16<newsense>gn
23:17<foxjazz>ok, I don't get it... because I went to a server that has a tor channel, I can't get to freenode?
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23:17<foxjazz>hell I don't have tor running on this machine at all
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23:18<qq>on this machine ...
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23:19<foxjazz>I don't have tor running in the whole house
23:19<foxjazz>all my machines, I mean others might have them in there house
23:19<foxjazz>wtheck
23:19<newsense>ok man its your f****n story tell it the way you want, now end it
23:20<foxjazz>I am just trying to figure out how to get to freenode.net for ubuntu stuff
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23:20<qq>now you know
23:20<newsense>type /server irc.freenode.net
23:21-!-nes_ [nes@cable201-232-160-75.epm.net.co] has left #debian [Saliendo]
23:21<newsense>than type /join #ubuntu and talk about tor all ya want
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23:21<foxjazz>-- *** Checking ident
23:21<foxjazz>[03:34] [Notice] -- *** No identd (auth) response
23:21<foxjazz>[03:34] [Notice] -wolfe.freenode.net- *** Banned: Tor freenode is hidden-service-only (mejokbp2brhw4omd.onion) - see freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml. (2008/08/07 02.52)
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23:22<newsense>cause youre running tor idiot
23:23<newsense>foxjazz is a !winner
23:23<foxjazz>well I am looking for how to find out if I am running tor
23:23<newsense>dam i dont know the dpkg trigger im thinking of
23:23<foxjazz>I know I shouldn't be
23:23<erKURITA>alright, I couldn't help checking back
23:23<newsense>hes an idiot
23:24<erKURITA>foxjazz if you would read the manual of the stuff you use, you would know that everytime you connect to TOR, it registers your IP on their IP pool for a certain time
23:24<newsense>ps -aux | grep tor
23:24<newsense>better yet killall -9 tor
23:24<erKURITA>and IRC networks retrieves those IPs to check wether the incomming connection is using TOR or not
23:25<erKURITA>which is lame, but that's the only way w/o invading your privacy (by retrieving process list, but then again you can change executable names....)
23:25<erKURITA>for starters, read: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor
23:26<erKURITA>and you don't even want to figure it out, reboot and connect back to the internet, that should get you a new IP which is not in TOR's IP pool
23:26<newsense>yeah listen to erKURITA i just took a glance at it and its what ya need if ya woulda listened to freenodes message ya woulda known that already
23:27<erKURITA>and for goodness sake, this is a Debian channel, not Ubuntu channel.
23:27<erKURITA>Regardless one's a distro made from the other
23:29<erKURITA>and now, I'm going to bed. I'm falling apart here.
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23:30<bizhan>sorry
23:31<foxjazz>ok, read it. It wants me to setup a tor host to log into freenode.
23:31<foxjazz>wth, that's just wierd
23:32<foxjazz>and no I don't have tor running on my ubuntu I looked in the processes tab.. no tor there
23:32<enouf>newsense: /ignore is bliss ;-)
23:32<newsense>enouf: im ignoring it lol ;)
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