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---Logopened Fri Aug 08 00:00:45 2008
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00:07<siva>hi guys
00:07<clmaxwell>gonna repeat...can anyone help me resolve issue with a NIC that appears not to work?
00:08<newsense>chipset ?
00:08<clmaxwell>forcedeth
00:08<clmaxwell>nforce onboard
00:08<siva>hey ii want o setup an as2 connection
00:08<siva>cna any one help pls
00:09<newsense>clmaxwell: what kernel ?
00:09<clmaxwell>2.6.24-1-486
00:09<qq>why not dhcp ?
00:09<clmaxwell>comes with forcedeth 0.61
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00:10<newsense>ahh didnt see earlier posts
00:10<qq>iface eth0 inet dhcp
00:10<clmaxwell>qq who are you talking to
00:10<qq>comment the others
00:11<qq>to clmaxwell
00:11<newsense>clmaxwell: i believe qq is talking to you
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00:11<clmaxwell>okay well then in response: i dont have dhcp running, so that would make it work even less :P
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00:12<qq>how you consider entering on net , than ?
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00:13<clmaxwell>qq that doesn't make any sense. my network configuration is not the issue here -- the device driver is
00:13<clmaxwell>my network runs NAT with static internal IPs on three subnets
00:13<qq>ah ?
00:13<clmaxwell>but that's not really the issue here
00:13<qq>and ?
00:13<clmaxwell>the issue is the forcedeth driver creates eth0 -- but sending packets through eth0 does not result in packets hitting the wire
00:14<clmaxwell>and mii-tool and similar commands fail with ENODEV (no such device)
00:14<newsense>network admin should have no trouble with this little problem
00:15<clmaxwell>? I am the network admin. I can troubleshoot networks fine, I'm just no good at device issues :P
00:15<newsense>i figure as much
00:15<clmaxwell>for example i have the router listening for any traffic from the box in question but no dice
00:15<newsense>go on
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00:16<newsense>network hardware=non-networking issue ? any legit netadmins here ?
00:17<clmaxwell>I don't really need to prove myself to you, newsense. I was hoping someone could help but if you can't that's fine
00:17<clmaxwell>it's not your job :P
00:17<newsense>wont be yours for long from what i see :P
00:18<clmaxwell>I...see. 1) this is my home network, nobody is going to fire me. 2) i wouldnt be running poorly-supported hardware in a production environment. 3) this might be wasted time but you should know that trying to act superior on the internet is a waste of time
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00:19<clmaxwell>anyway i guess ill track down forcedeth maints and see if they know of any options, maybe there's a newer patch
00:19<newsense>ok so it is your home network, like i thought
00:19<newsense>im done !
00:19<clmaxwell>yeah? 192.168 usually is?
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00:20<clmaxwell>is there something wrong with maintaining a home network?
00:20<clmaxwell>im talking to you from it right now
00:20<newsense>any non routable ip is internel
00:20<clmaxwell>but my new box uses nforce which apparently has crap for drivers
00:20<newsense>ass&*%$
00:20<clmaxwell>yes, i know that
00:20<clmaxwell>but 192.168 is a class c and thus usually only used for tiny installs -- like a small business, or a home network
00:20<clmaxwell>unlike 172.16 and 10.x
00:21<newsense>well thats new to me
00:21<newsense>sarcasm
00:21<clmaxwell>indeed.
00:21<clmaxwell>i don't really need internet arguments. have fun with the ego trip :P
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00:21<newsense>thats anything a comcast tech support agent would know
00:22<newsense>yo get no cookie
00:22<certainquirk>maybe the ego trip is over now?
00:22<newsense>i hate ubuntusers
00:22<certainquirk>whew ;)
00:22<certainquirk>lol
00:23<newsense>i had to do it to him
00:23<newsense>lol
00:23<newsense>he read home networking for dummies
00:24<certainquirk>no doubt
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00:24<admin>hello,ever on
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00:30<certainquirk>if it wasn't for ubuntu i never would have become so grateful to debian :)
00:31<certainquirk>translated=i dumped ubuntu ;)
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00:39<newsense>lotsa people like ubuntu and i dont give a shit
00:40<newsense>i use debian cause i choose to
00:43<newsense>tried many distros, debians security policies and stability keep me here
00:43<certainquirk>i was thinking maybe you were using gnewsense.
00:43<newsense>ive heard that
00:43<newsense>used this nice since before woody
00:44<newsense>dont knnow if gnewsense existed than
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00:44<certainquirk>nice distro, stable like debian (or at least it was about 6 mos ago when i tried it)
00:44<newsense>i never heard of it till someone made the same comment about my nick
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00:45<newsense>im too old to try new distros ive always used debian a my main distro anyways
00:45<certainquirk>yeah, it reminds me of debian more than any other i've tried
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00:46<certainquirk>i've tried alot of them but my newbee (old) brain does best here in debian
00:46<newsense>ill be 87 years old on sunday
00:46<certainquirk>wow... happy b-day :)
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00:46<certainquirk>turned 4 t 4 in june here
00:46<newsense>jk im an idiot
00:46<newsense>im only 26
00:47<newsense>april fool
00:47<Hideo>debian, so easy, an old man could use it =P
00:47<certainquirk>lol.. thnx
00:47<newsense>my boss is 76 though
00:47<certainquirk>and uses debian?
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00:48<newsense>hes crazy he carrys furnaces into basements with me down stairs
00:48<newsense>knows nothing about computers at all
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00:48<certainquirk>i might get down the stairs but might not get back up
00:48<newsense>why did i spell carries/carrys ?
00:49<newsense>dont mind me
00:49<certainquirk>dunno
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00:52<certainquirk>so... what's the best console irc client? anybody?
00:52<newsense>bitchx
00:52<Hideo>irssi
00:52<newsense>grr
00:52<Hideo>woof woof
00:52<newsense>never tried irssi
00:52<newsense>always just used bitchx
00:52<certainquirk>i'm on irssi now.. trying it 2 days now
00:53<newsense>old habits die hard !
00:53<Hideo>old rabbits die hard
00:53<newsense>shut up hideo
00:53<Hideo>=P
00:53<newsense>im trying out kvirc atm
00:54<newsense>not console obviously
00:54<newsense>bitchx is my console choice though
00:54<certainquirk>didn't know bitchx could run console?
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00:55<newsense>xbitchx is x version
00:56<certainquirk>ah!
00:56<certainquirk>is it better than irssi?
00:56<newsense>been using since woody or before when i ran redhat install from my redhat linux for dummies c, lol
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00:57<newsense>c=book my keyboard is spilled on badly excuse me
00:57<newsense>never tried irssi
00:58<newsense>hear a lot about it, dont hear as much about bitchx
00:58<newsense>if that helps
00:59<certainquirk>i'll give it a try, i don't usually chat/irc much but since being unemployed figured i may as well hook up and ask some questions i've been needing answers to
00:59<newsense>its good to learn when ya got time
01:00<certainquirk>plenty of time on my hands :(
01:00<newsense>everyone wins
01:00<certainquirk>yeah
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01:01<newsense>sometimes i idle and listen and google the apps people are talking about im not farmiliar with
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01:02<certainquirk>i was trying to make my console a diff size and added vga 792 to my grub but it doesn't work
01:02<certainquirk>(i'm aptituding xbitchx now)
01:03<newsense>shouldnt there be an = sign inbetween vga and 792 ?
01:03<newsense>not 100% sure
01:03<certainquirk>well yeah, i have it that way, but it says something like not supported and gives me other options that are ridiculous
01:04<newsense>whois certainquirk
01:04<certainquirk>lol
01:04<certainquirk>me
01:05<Hideo>stalker!
01:05<certainquirk>i'd have to reboot to get the message in full... i'll grab it next time
01:06<certainquirk>no doubt hideo ;)
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01:14<certainquirk>hmm.. bitchx is not in deb repos?
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01:15<jm_>it is
01:15<Hideo>it's in stable
01:15<certainquirk>oh, maybe not in lenny?
01:16<Hideo>I don't see it in lenny
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01:16<cahoot>not in sid either
01:16<jm_>it has been removed from lenny
01:16<jm_>and from future releases
01:17<certainquirk>ah
01:17<certainquirk>guess i won't try it then
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01:17<cahoot>irssi seems to be the pc one here
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01:19<cjae>ok whats with the debian screensaver is there a bug in it or what? whenever I watch a movie the screensaver comes on ever twenty mins
01:19<certainquirk>guess i'll stick with irssi
01:21<cjae>I've turned the power saver controls to not turn the monitor off and screensaver to two hours but still will come after twenty
01:22<cjae>why is there no never use screensaver option?\
01:22<cahoot>I think there's sometning called heartbeat do activate
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01:23<cahoot>(for mplayer anyway)
01:23<cjae>cahoot, was that directed to me?
01:24<Hideo>yes
01:26<cjae>using vlc and totem
01:26<certainquirk>know why bitchx was removed jm_? anybody?
01:28<Nemoder>cjae: I toggle all that off with: xset s off; xset -dpms; xscreensaver-command -exit
01:28<jm_>certainquirk: read about it on the p.q.d.o page for it
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01:29<jm_>mplayer disables X blanking, i really hate how there's no option to disable that
01:29<amphi>!bitchx
01:29<dpkg>a old and unmaintained irc-client build on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by its upstream authors, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373
01:30<jm_>yeah qa page mentions some glib bug or somesuch
01:30<cjae>Nemoder, ok are those commands or parts of xorg?
01:31<certainquirk>thnx for the info dpkg and jm_
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01:32<Nemoder>cjae: commands that can be used when X is running
01:32<cjae>Nemoder, ok what is -dpms
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01:32<Nemoder>cjae: http://paste.debian.net/14219/ here is a script I made to toggle it on and off
01:32<Nemoder>it works well with xfce's two-state trigger launcher
01:33<Nemoder>I think dpms is what makes the monitor go into low power mode
01:33<cjae>Nemoder, I thought debain uses gnome by default
01:34<jm_>!tell certainquirk -about pts
01:34<zjason>Is crc32 command avaiable in Debian?
01:34<Nemoder>yes but debian has packages for all of the popular window managers
01:34<cjae>right
01:34<jm_>zjason: yes
01:34<zjason>jm_: Please tell me the package name
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01:35<jm_>!tell zjason -about search
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01:36<certainquirk>thnx again dpkg and jm_ cool
01:37<jm_>zjason: in addition to that command, cfv can also generate crc32 checksums
01:37<zjason>jm_: 'apt-cache search --name crc32' shows only one result: libstring-crc32-perl
01:37<jm_>zjason: use the other method mentioned by dpkg (apt-file)
01:37<zjason>jm_: ok , I will search cfv first. Thanks
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01:40<cjae>no other solutions
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01:40<cjae>why on earth have a gui for screensaver and no option to turn it off
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01:44<cjae>Nemoder, server does not have extension for -dpms option
01:45<Nemoder>cjae: it works for me on lenny, I thought it worked on etch too
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01:48<cjae>Nemoder, I even have disable screensaver set in vlc and it comes up still
01:50<jm_>xscreensaver != blanking
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01:51<cjae>jm_, xscreensaver: command not found
01:51<cjae>]
01:51<cjae>0
01:51<cjae>o_0
01:52<jm_>cjae: so find out what you're using if it comes up
01:52<jm_>and the command would be xscreensaver-command
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01:58<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know how to locate an ext3 file system's journal file? I'm wondering where it is.
01:58<jm_>yes
01:59<kingsley>jm_ Do you know how to locate an ext3 file system's journal?
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02:01<jm_>kingsley: read this http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html
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02:04<kingsley>jm_: Can you save me some time by directing my attention to the specific part of that (long) web page which explains how to locate an ext3 file system's journal?
02:05<jm_>kingsley: can you stop asking yes/no questions - search for journal
02:05<kingsley>jm_: OK.
02:06<jm_>or maybe "the journal'
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02:06<jm_>maybe it would be nice if he added section links at the top, that's worth suggesting
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02:09<jm_>Aleric: any chance you could add contents and links to relevant sections at the top of ext3 undelete documents?
02:10<kingsley>How does one locate an ext3 file system's journal when it's external?
02:11<jm_>did you dump ext3 info and looked there?
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02:13<kingsley>I looked in the output of the "dumpe2fs" command.
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02:13<kingsley>jm_: Ah! Now I see it mentions inode 8. That's it! Thanks.
02:14<jm_>that's explained by the document I mentioned
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02:18<kingsley>jm_: Right. Why does the man page for tune2fs say the journal is in a file named ".journal" in the top level directory of the file system, when "ls -a" doesn't report it?
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02:22<jm_>kingsley: it explains what happens to the file when fsck is run
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02:24<jason_>hello
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02:28<kingsley>jm_: Is my understanding correct that booting runs e2fsck which moves .journal to an invisible, reserved journal inode?
02:32<jm_>kingsley: yes
02:32<kingsley>jm_: Thank you for your time and attention.
02:32*kingsley needs to go and reboot.
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02:53<vltre>ciao
02:54<vltre>ciao
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02:55<vltre>ciao
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02:59<Gekz>whats that program
03:00<Gekz>ifprof
03:00<Gekz>or something
03:00<Gekz>that shows what packets are going where
03:00<Gekz>iptraf
03:00<Gekz>thar we go
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03:02<enouf>Gekz: duh
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03:03<Gekz>but it sucks
03:03<Gekz>:/
03:03<Gekz>alternativealternativealternative
03:03<enouf>(i always confuse them too actually)
03:03<enouf>for what
03:04<Baggy2>I'm trying to cross compile gcc-4.1.1. make exits with the following message: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables". Any suggestions?
03:04<Gekz>for seeing whats connecting to what
03:04<Gekz>on my internets
03:04<enouf>iftop? how fine-grained? etherape (gui) nagios?
03:04<Gekz>I just want to see the port
03:04<Gekz>and want to be able to ORDER BY PORT
03:04<Gekz>-_-
03:04<enouf>netstat -tunap
03:04<enouf>i use iftop
03:04<enouf>there's ntop too
03:05<Gekz>found the line I was looking for
03:05<Gekz>thanks
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03:05<enouf>Baggy2: try #gcc ? on freenode.net even
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03:07<Husaini>help
03:08<enouf>take some pills :-p
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03:08*Husaini serious
03:08<linux>hello, i'm on etch and i'm looking for a xen kernel image for a intel x64 ... but unfortunately i can't find any on usual depository ... someone could give me some functional sources.list ?
03:09<linux>cause i just find for amd64 even not for standard 686 ...
03:10<gsimmons>!tell Husaini -about ask
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03:11<Husaini>i already download but cant read/open iso. files
03:11<Husaini>so the next steps?
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03:16<jm_>why would you? you burn ISO files as image
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03:17<Husaini>after burn?
03:17<gsimmons>Husaini: See http://www.debian.org/CD/faq for information on burning/recording a CD image on your current operating system.
03:17*Husaini newbies
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03:19<Baggy2>enouf: Thanks, but I've found that some of the best Linux hackers is in this channel :-) the ones that answer, anyway.. I think I solved the problem btw. I was missing a dev package..
03:20<jm_>Baggy2: look in config.log
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03:21<enouf>Baggy2: aye
03:22<Baggy2>jm_: I did, and it prompted that it was checking symbolic links.. It seems to work now though.. just added some dev packages..
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03:24<Baggy2>nope.. still didn't work :(
03:25<Baggy2>this is the last line in config.log: configure:6065: checking if symbolic links between directories work
03:25<Baggy2>So I guess that is what fails.. any suggestions?
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03:27<jm_>i doubt that fails
03:27<karnov>please guy, is there a reason that i can't find and xen kernel for intel x64... maybe i don't understand arch notification but my sources.list don't tell about amd64 exclusive depot, but after an update i just can select xen kernel for amd64 ... do you see a reason ? this is my sources.list : deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main
03:27<karnov>deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main
03:27<karnov>deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
03:27<karnov>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
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03:28<karnov>oops
03:28<karnov>sorry
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04:03<anonissi1us>!repository
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04:03<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>.
04:03<anonissi1us>!list repositories
04:03<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>
04:03<jojo>hi there
04:04<anonissi1us>hi
04:05<jojo>is there a way to get things like this " iptables -A INPUT -i tap0 -j ACCEPT" and " iptables -A OUTPUT -o tap0 -j ACCEPT" done automagically (like at boot) in a "CLEAN" way (I would prefer avoid the creation of a new rc.d file if it is possible)
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04:05<jojo>something like iptables.conf ;)
04:05<anonissi1us>what repository do I need to add to be able to install pidin?
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04:05<jm_>you can use tools like ferm to configure firewall rules
04:06<jm_>pidgin is on backports for etch, the rest include it anyway
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04:07<jojo>jm_: "ferm - maintain and setup complicated firewall rules"
04:07<anonissi1us>hmm ok thnx
04:07<jojo>jm_: is this complicated ? ;)
04:07<jm_>jojo: no
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04:08<jojo>jm_: I'm looking for a software like "firestarter" but that can handle many interfaces (and maybe a set of rules by the location I'm connected on)
04:08<jojo>jm_: I like the firestarter GUI (see the attacks in live etc)
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04:11<anonissi1us>can somemone explain why "aptitude dist-upgrade" does not upgrade my box?
04:12<anonissi1us>on etch currently
04:12<jojo>anonissi1us, give the output of the command
04:12<jojo>(if it is long give it in private)
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04:13<jm_>astraljava: yes someone can
04:13<anonissi1us>http://pastebin.ca/1095483
04:13<Baggy2>Is this the right syntax for setting library directory? export LDPATH="/opt/test/usr/lib:/opt/test/usr/i686-pc-mingw32/lib" found something like this online, but it looks a little windows stylish..
04:13<anonissi1us>it wasn't that long, but pastebin to the rescue
04:14<Baggy2>is this more like it? LDPATH="-L/opt/test/usr/lib -L/opt/test/usr/i686-pc-mingw32/lib"
04:14<jojo>anonissi1us, that's nice you don't have anything to upgrade
04:14<jojo>anonissi1us, what are you trying to do ?
04:14<jm_>Baggy2: for linux? man ld.so -- you can also set this up when linking
04:14<jojo>anonissi1us, have you run "aptitude update" before ?
04:14<anonissi1us>to upgrade from etch to sid
04:14<Baggy2>jm_: yep, for linux
04:14<anonissi1us>yeah did that already
04:15<jm_>anonissi1us: please stop
04:15<jm_>you don't have the skills to use sid
04:15<anonissi1us>ok, lenny then
04:15<anonissi1us>....
04:15<jojo>Baggy2, yeah something like LDPATH="foo:bar:toto"
04:16<Baggy2>jm_: thanks
04:16<Baggy2>jojo: Thanks :)
04:16<jojo>Baggy2, but I don't really understand why you are LDPATHing the mingw32 lib path, mingw32 scripts works without it
04:16<jojo>Baggy2, and you may get some "clash" between your distro libs and the mingw32 ones (maybe I've said)
04:16<jojo>anonissi1us, why do you want to use sid ?
04:17<jojo>anonissi1us, I recommend you to run sid on another partition or on a qemu in order to understand how it works and what can be the risks
04:17<Baggy2>jojo: I am compiling gcc to compile win mingw_win32 and I've prefixed the output to a non default dir
04:17<anonissi1us>because I'm really happy with lenny (running on my other box) and see where debian is going
04:18<anonissi1us>this is a computer only for experiments
04:18<jojo>anonissi1us, I'm using sid here for my "production" computer and I got some problems with broken packages, so you need to know really what you are doing and how to correct things
04:18<jojo>anonissi1us, but that's a wonderful way for learning ;)
04:19<anonissi1us>yeah it does need a regular whipe and reinstall
04:19<anonissi1us>but hey :) we're taking down the learning curve
04:19<jojo>anonissi1us, hmmm no I'm using sid for one year and never had to reinstall
04:19<Baggy2>I was hoping that make would default to other dirs if some lib is not found in the dirs listed by LDPATH. Is this correct?
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04:20<jojo>Baggy2, just replace the gcc, ld, etc calls in your makefiles with the mingw32 ones and this should work out-of-the-box
04:21<anonissi1us>jojo, then again I'm quite inexperienced with linux, and as soon as I run into problems that will take me a long time to solve I just whipe and reinstall
04:21<jm_>Baggy2: no, make doesn't care - compiler and linker need to find them
04:21<Baggy2>jojo: gcc includes lots of makefiles..
04:21<jojo>Baggy2, I used mingw32 to compile little programs using this technique
04:21<Baggy2>I'm not using mingw
04:21<jojo>Baggy2, yeah but those Makefiles are generated using a configure script no ?
04:21<Baggy2>yes
04:21<jojo>Baggy2, so why don't you give the configure the right paths ?
04:22<jojo>Baggy2, try "./configure --help"
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04:22<Baggy2>jojo: That's just what I'm trying to do with LDPATH ;-)
04:23<jojo>anonissi1us, that's a really "windowish" way of thinking ;)
04:23<jojo>Baggy2, yeah but try with the configure options, you'll get a lot less white-hairs
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04:24<anonissi1us>jojo, I a windowish user
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04:25<anonissi1us>still running w$ on my main computer, mainly because for compatibility
04:25<Baggy2>then it's --libdir is it? I kind a thought that was the install dir of libs releative to prefix (due to the description)
04:25<jojo>anonissi1us, I'm using it in a qemu (and it's working like a charm) because I'm using some chemistry softwares that didn't exist on linux and that are not working well with wine
04:26<anonissi1us>so now I have my server on etch, my laptop on lenny and this second old laptop to be transformed to sid
04:26<Baggy2>oh my, oh my, If I ever get this canadian cross stuff working I'll be a very happy man
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04:27<Hideo>jojo: kvm, if your processor supports it ;)
04:29<jojo>Hideo, """model name : Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3500+"""
04:29<jojo>Hideo, :'(
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04:30<ichbins>Halli hallo zusammen
04:30<ichbins>alles klar bei euch ?;)
04:30<Hideo>jojo: aw no? with kvm I get almost native speed here
04:30<Hideo>!de
04:30<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
04:30<jojo>Hideo, but it is fast enough for my usage (boots in 15 seconds, and almost native speed, got only graphics slowdowns)
04:30<ichbins>somebody speak german here?
04:30<Hideo>or you can speak English here
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04:31<jojo>Hideo, "flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow up rep_good pni cx16 lahf_lm extapic cr8_legacy"
04:31<jojo>Hideo, I don't have the vt flag
04:31<ichbins>hat jemand von euch ein gutes tut zum thema debian mirror gesehen?
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04:31<Hideo>yeah that sucks jojo
04:31<jojo>ichbins, please "/join #debian.de"
04:32<ichbins>thx
04:32<ichbins>bye
04:32<jojo>ichbins, np
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04:32<enouf>jojo: the flag for amd is svm, for intel it's vmx, no?
04:33<jojo>enouf, ??? I read somewhere that it was "vt" but you may be right. And I got no svm too :'(
04:33<Hideo>enouf: that's right
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04:33<enouf>aye
04:33<jojo>enouf, it's an acer laptop and I've seen while cleaning the fans that the cpu can be changed... I may thing about that
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04:34<Hideo>jojo: I don't see either one from the line you pasted above
04:34<enouf>look if bios upgrade is needed too
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04:37<jojo>enouf, I've the last bios (and I'm worried because using some software I've seen that there is some hidden menu in it but I can't access them so I can't reduce my RAM timings :s )
04:38<jojo>enouf, and the last update was on 2007 :s
04:38<jojo>enouf, it seems to support better processor though
04:38<jojo>Are colors like this standard on irc ?
04:39<jm_>there are no colors
04:39<jojo>jm_, hmm ok only client side things... it's always those "MIRC" color codes ?
04:39<jm_>jojo: no, some clients also support ANSI escape sequences
04:40*jojo has finished its openvpn configuration... And it's now working like a charm...
04:41<enouf>jojo: yeah, just thought if the motherboard would accept a newer cpu that supports VT tech, you'd need a bios upgrade
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04:42<enouf>jojo: so, maybe b/c you haven't seen anything mentioned about it, the CPUs available to upgrade to, none support VT - but that's a guess
04:42<anonissimus>hi roald
04:42<roald>^ ^
04:45<jojo>enouf: maybe, but changing the laptop may be better ;)
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04:45<jojo>enouf, this one has 1 year, was the cheaper one and the battery is a little thing (2:00 hours low consumption on the beginning and one year later only 1:45)
04:45<enouf>jojo: heh
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04:46<jojo>enouf, Got problem too with the suspend thing on debian 64
04:46<jojo>enouf, the gfx card doesn't resume well and the screen is "blinking" on resume. Don't know what to do to correct this thing and it was working well on ubuntu 32
04:47<jojo>enouf, seen nothing on forums about this problem
04:47<jojo>enouf, and this is a crappy ati card
04:50<enouf>hrm
04:51<enouf>jojo: i don't know what to tell ya - try the debian-amd64@lists.debian.org or similar channels? here and freenode.net?
04:52<enouf>jojo: oh, check BTS
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04:52<enouf>jojo: anything on the sites listed in factoid "/msg dpkg laptop"
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04:58<enouf>jojo: you resume from swap partition, right? If so, maybe work out a minimal boot where you can swapoff -a ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/SWAP-partition-N bs=4M (the bs= is optional) ; mkswap /dev/SWAP-partition-N ; swapon -a
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05:00<enouf>jojo: and/or walk throught the /etc/acpi/* scripts? make sure things are being disabled/enabled in order ; also, make sure no bootsplash, quiet splash, splash, splashy crap is in your cat /proc/cmdline (known to mess with ATi) (edit /boot/grub/menu.lst)
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05:07<munga_>hi all, does the apache2 in etch support the SNI extension ?
05:09<jm_>http://www.howtoforge.com/enable-multiple-https-sites-on-one-ip-using-tls-extensions-on-debian-etch - this suggests it doesn't
05:11<jm_>ahh maybe it works with mod_gnutls
05:14<munga_>jm_: yes, I've read it, to backport mod_gnutls to etch there seems to be a hell lot of dependecies...
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05:14<munga_>I thought mod_ssl would be a bit easier ...
05:16<jm_>munga_: why would you need to backport mod_gnutls?
05:16<munga_>because I'm on etch ...
05:18<munga_>the only version I can see is in testing : 0.5.1-1
05:18<jm_>ahh because it doesn't exist :P
05:18<munga_>:)
05:19<munga_>and depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgnutls26 (>= 2.2.0-0)
05:19<jm_>yeah you'll not be able to install the binary debs
05:19<munga_>I'm not sure about libc6, but libgnutls26 is a requirement ...
05:19<jm_>etch has much older glibc
05:20<munga_>yeah, but if you recompile the binary for etch and link it to an older libc6 usually works...
05:20<munga_>usually...
05:21<jm_>sure, simple sid backport way
05:22<munga_>my problem is that I don't have too many public ips and far too many https domains I've to serve ...
05:22<munga_>and it seems that with etch I'm a bit stuck...
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05:27<padski>I just stopped a page loading halfway through on konqueror. The first page is on https, while it was loading I clicked on an http bookmark, and then cancelled at the "you are about to leave secure mode" dialog.
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05:33<SnitraM>I have an old program compiled with libc5. Trying to run it gives: ./prime.libc5: No such file or directory. ldd is really stupid here: /usr/bin/ldd: line 117: ./prime.libc5: No such file or directory. Is ldd really supposed to react that way?
05:33<jm_>yes
05:34<SnitraM>I'm used to that ldd tells me what libraries that are missing. Not some stupid line number of its own.
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05:35<weasel>SnitraM: file prime.libc5
05:35<jm_>ldd is a shell script, it relies on ld.so to do the job ...
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05:36<SnitraM>weasel: file prime.libc5
05:36<SnitraM>prime.libc5: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
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05:38<SnitraM>jm_: Earlier it wan
05:39<SnitraM>jm_: Earlier ldd wasn't a script (around libc5 time) and it did work.
05:39<jm_>SnitraM: yes, that was much much earlier :)
05:39<SnitraM>jm_: Things should be improving...
05:40<jm_>SnitraM: they are, everything is bigger and thus better now :P
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05:46<jesperj>I am going to try to set up a crosscompiling environment to compile apps for ARM on my x86 Debian machine. Someone recommended "Openembedded" but I can't find debian packages for it (and www.openembedded.org is down). Any recommendations on how to set it up on debian?
05:46<jesperj>a good cross compiling environment that is
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05:48<jm_>maybe this? emdebian-tools - emdebian crossbuilding tool set
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05:48<willemijns>hello
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05:53<willemijns>how to start a software in text mode for a specific user at logon ?
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05:55<padski>!emdebian
05:55<dpkg>[emdebian] a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net
05:55<padski>jesperj, ^^^
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05:56<padski>sorry, duplicate :-)
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06:31<Baggy2>This is probably a long shot, but I ask anyway. Anyone ever tried compiling w32api-3.11. I get redefinition errors on fd_set and select (I think I recognize these as system calls).. Any suggestions?
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06:32<Baggy2>I ran configure with the following: ./configure --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu --host=i686-pc-mingw32 --prefix=/usr/local/i686-pc-mingw32
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06:39<Baggy2>Problem solved
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06:44<erich>What is a good tool to send mails from the command line with file attachments? (e.g. a cron job mailing a small backup file somewhere)
06:44<jm_>mutt can do that
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06:45<Amaranth`>cheers all...
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06:46<Amaranth`>i have a problem with dhcp connection
06:46<mastroquet>hi
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06:46<mastroquet>Amaranth`: wifi problem?
06:46<Amaranth`>works fine until the first web page is loaded..after that it crashes
06:46<Amaranth`>no
06:46<Amaranth`>cable
06:46<mastroquet>ok
06:48<Amaranth`>maybe is the modem? i use alice in italy
06:48<Amaranth`>so i received an cd for installation guide and stuff
06:48<Amaranth`>for win xp
06:48<Amaranth`>maybe is not compatible?
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06:49<erich>jm_: I didn't get it to work all non-interactively.
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06:56<kirilos>How can i install screen lets i downloaded ?
06:56<kirilos>screenlets*
06:57<Txt-file1>kirilos ... take a look in the documentation of the package
06:58<kirilos>Txt-file1, actually i cant find something that will help me out :S
06:59<erich>kirilos: did you try the screenlet config program? it might have a button for that.
06:59<erich>I've only tried it once, but I don't use a compositing wm.
06:59<kirilos>oh i need a screenlet config program ? :P lolz.I don't have any
06:59<erich>the main screenlets application comes with a configuration tool, yes.
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07:00<kirilos>oh ok got it
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07:04<kirilos>erich, how can assosiate some files with a program ?
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07:08<erich>kirilos: depends on what other programs you are using.
07:09<Tuplad>Can anyone recommend a good code editor for Gnome ?
07:09<kirilos>erich, i wanna assosiate all the video files(Avi,mpeg etc)with vlc
07:09<SledgY>Tuplad: what language?
07:09<Tuplad>SledgY: php
07:10<erich>kirilos: I mean, it depends on *where* you want to associate them. In nautilus, you should be able to do so in the "open with" dialog and in the file properties
07:10<erich>nautilus is the gnome file manager.
07:10<SledgY>Tuplad: GEdit works fine, personally I use Eclipse with the PHP plugin
07:10<erich>It will probably be different in KDE, XFCE or whatever you are using
07:11<Tuplad>SledgY: I dont really like gedit... I'm missing something I've had in windows in notepad++, a "+" sign next to the rownumber which would minimize or maximize a whole piece of code.
07:11<kirilos>erich, almost forget to tell you that i am a completely noob.So i am using ubuntu with the default file manager
07:11<SledgY>Tuplad: Code folding?
07:11<SledgY>Tuplad: Eclipse does that nicely
07:11<Tuplad>SledgY: yes
07:11<Tuplad>SledgY: roger that, thanks :}
07:11<SledgY>Although make sure to install sun-java
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07:11<SledgY>and get the latest release from eclipse.org
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07:12<erich>kirilos: which probably is nautilus, but I do not use Ubuntu.
07:12<SledgY>Tuplad: and use update-alternatives to make sure the sun jre is used
07:12<Tuplad>SledgY: roger that :)
07:12<Tuplad>SledgY: huh ?
07:12<Tuplad>SledgY: update-alternatives?
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07:13<kirilos>erich, oh ok.I found it
07:13<SledgY>Tuplad: You can have multiple jvm's installed (just like web browsers), update-alternatives lets you specify which one you want to use
07:14<SledgY>Tuplad: he's a good blog entry about it http://blog.stevenkroon.com/2006/08/29/debian-update-alternatives/
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07:14<SledgY>*heres
07:14<Tuplad>SledgY: thanks :)
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07:15<Tuplad>SledgY: meh... eclipse doesn't look like something I like... and I dont like java software either. and it's huge too.
07:16<Tuplad>SledgY: is there a more lightweight alternative maybe ?
07:16<SledgY>Tuplad: yeah it's pretty large, but also very complete, html editor is very good, and has good support for code completion and refactoring
07:17<Tuplad>SledgY: but it doesn't matter for me though... I'm not a coder, I'm just missing some handy functions :p
07:17<SledgY>Tuplad: heh np, there are several in the debian package library
07:18<SledgY>Can't remember the name of the other one I've used, been a while since I coded any PHP
07:18<SledgY>one moment I'll have a look
07:18<Tuplad>SledgY: ok :)
07:19<Tuplad>I remember long long long ago I was using Bluefish
07:19<SledgY>yes Bluefish isn't bad
07:19<erich>Shouldn't it be update-java-alternatives for java?
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07:20<erich>because that will update all the alternatives for java in one run. java, javac, ant, etc.
07:20<SledgY>I only needed to change the JVM
07:23<jm_>erich: how did you use it then?
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07:24<erich>jm_: well, I by now found out that when you feed mutt data via stdin it will not do any prompts but just use it as message body.
07:24<jm_>erich: yes, ala traditional mail command
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07:25<SledgY>Tuplad: http://geany.uvena.de/Documentation/Screenshots looks like it may do what you want, uses GTK and has code folding
07:25<Tuplad>SledgY: DEFINITELY!
07:25<Tuplad>SledgY: thanks!
07:25<SledgY>oh and there is a debian package
07:25<Tuplad>SledgY: aptitude <3
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07:35<kirilos>Could u name a nice download manager eligible to download from rapidshare ?
07:37<Tuplad>kirilos: rapidshare doesn't support DL managers
07:37<Tuplad>kirilos: unless you're a premium user
07:37<Tuplad>kirilos: if you are... wget/gwget
07:38<kirilos>Tuplad, i am a premium user
07:38<Tuplad>kirilos: just remove .html at the end
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07:38<kirilos>Tuplad, is this program available to synaptic ?
07:38<Tuplad>kirilos: yes... actually it comes with debian by default afaik
07:39<Tuplad>kirilos: wget is a commandline download manager, get gwget and you'll have a gui for it :)
07:39<kirilos>Tuplad, ok i'll try it out right now
07:39<Tuplad>:)
07:39<kirilos>;D
07:42<kirilos>um Tuplad i noticed that this program can't add links from the clipboard right?
07:43<kirilos>If so this makes my life really hard when i need to download many parts :(
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07:43<jm_>kirilos: aria/d4x if you want gui
07:43<alexgao>hello,I'm new here :)
07:43<Tuplad>kirilos: oh, I dont know any other then :}
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07:45<alexgao>welcome to my weblog http://www.alexgao.com cocerning about ubuntu
07:46<jojo>alexgao: do /join #ubuntu
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08:06*Baggy2 never thought building a canadian cross toolchain would be this easy =)
08:06<Baggy2>almost finished
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08:25<riko>oyasuminasai
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08:28<Garda>* Received a DCC CHAT offer from riko
08:28<padski>!jp
08:28<dpkg>it has been said that jp is Japan
08:28<riko>what is this
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08:29<Garda>who are you riko
08:29<Garda>and why be a pain
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08:29<riko>u can speak indonesian pliz
08:29<avu>!id
08:29<dpkg>methinks id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360
08:30<avu>fail
08:30<riko>holla jojo algojo
08:30<Garda>riko: enyah
08:31<riko>what u mind
08:31<padski>#deb-id (server irc.freenode.net)
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08:37<munga>can I use debuild-pbuilder, but using cowbuilder insted ?
08:38<jojo>ola riko
08:38<riko>ola tooooo,
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08:39<riko>hey kg g nongol
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08:41<riko>ok, u won`t talking with me .... fine i
08:41<riko>finish now
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08:45<munga>small help: I've a unstable machine and I'd like to recompile a package for stable. I've created a base.tgz with pbuilder . how can I convince debuild to build the package there ?
08:46<munga>debuild-publider fails ... it seems it's trying to resolve dependencies with packages in unstables...
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08:49<[gloom]>hi there
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08:51<munga>ok, solved. the debian/rules clean didn't really clean ... :(
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08:51<[gloom]>got a little problem in my laptop... When I leave it the whole night idle, when I come back to it, the Xorg process is using 100% cpu , and the only way to use the pc again is to reset the XServer. No screensaver daemon working, no energy saver running, kpowersave in Performance mode, and all the "powersave triggers" disabled. Anyone experiencing this?
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08:52<[gloom]>btw, no messages in any of the log files reporting errors, neither Xorg.log, kern.log, sys.log....
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08:58<alexgao>anybody?
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08:59<JackYF>Alam_Debian: ?
09:00<JackYF>alexgao: ?
09:00<alexgao>:) people here are not active as i think
09:01<alexgao>If all of u are wathcing Olympics?
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09:02<[gloom]>yeah, this people is seeing tv liting in the sofa with a beer... ahhh, good life
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09:02<Aleric>[gloom]: Just a very wild guess... turn off ... hmm, what's it called.
09:02<[gloom]>lying*
09:03<Aleric>[gloom]: ... some kernel parameter ... related to interupts.. foobar=off
09:03<Aleric>my memory :(
09:03<[gloom]>Aleric: I've opened my eyes... please finish that sentence:D
09:03<[gloom]>hehehe
09:03<jm_>apic?
09:04<Aleric>yeah
09:04<Aleric>:)
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09:04<Aleric>http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Kernel_Parameters_for_ACPI/APIC
09:04<[gloom]>you mean boting with the parameter noapic?
09:04<alexgao>I'm Chinese :) .but not in Beijing,just watching tv
09:04<Aleric>Try some of the things listed there related to interrupts. Start with acpi=off
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09:06<[gloom]>and is going to represent any performance looses?? I mean, what happens if kernel does not have the APIC related code loaded?
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09:06<xsdg>alexgao: btw (random question) what are the tones for Beijing?
09:06<[gloom]>what does it use instead of apic?
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09:06<Aleric>[gloom]: Hey - it's a very wild, intuitive guess... don't ask questions :p. Lets say it works, then you can start do more research :p
09:07<alexgao>how many of u use archlinux?
09:07<Aleric>It might also not work (you still get 100% cpu)... then you just turn it on again.
09:08<[gloom]>Aleric: ok, thx. I will try ot tonight
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09:09<[gloom]>mmmm, wrong window closed:D
09:09<[gloom]>hehee
09:09<enouf>[gloom]: older firepoop has a bad know memeory leak
09:09<[gloom]>firepoop?
09:09<enouf>yes, FirePoop ;-) Firefox, etc
09:10<[gloom]>hehe
09:10<[gloom]>nope, I'm using the last iceweasel on the sid repo
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09:12<[gloom]>well guys I have to go back to work. See you later
09:12<[gloom]>bye
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09:15<munga>what is the easiest way to recompile a package for stable using an unstable machine ?
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09:15<jm_>munga: chroot
09:16<munga>jm_: what about using pbuilder ?
09:16<jm_>munga: i think pbuilder can do it too
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09:16<munga>I'm just missing something then. I'm using debuil-pbuilder, but the dependencies are alla wrong...
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09:38<grgdorn>hello. can someone telll me how I make emacs start in fullscreen?
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09:40<enouf>munga: looka here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=26292&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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09:41<munga>enouf: thanks ! actually I read the doc a bit better and you can definitely use pbuilder --build, but not debuild-pbuilder
09:41<enouf>ahh
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09:54<JC_t>Hi, I have installed lenny on a Pc, when i log in i get an black screen with white words on it, and the input line asking for name/password. Basically, the GUI hasnt started. how do i start xorg please? I have tried 'start xorg' which didnt work.
09:55<lupine_86>JC_t: generally, X is started by a display manager like xdm/kdm/gdm
09:55<lupine_86>or you can DIY with 'startx'
09:56<JC_t>If i DIy it with startx then i can access xchat and go from there. Many thanks, i shall try that.
09:56<lupine_86>but it probably hasn't started due to $problem - which will be shown in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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09:58<hlfshell>what is the terminal command to kill a process with a known .pid file?
09:59<Lethalman>hlfshell, kill -9
09:59<hlfshell>kill -9 name.pid?
09:59<Lethalman>no
09:59<Lethalman>kill -9 `cat name.pid`
10:00<hlfshell>ah thank you very much.
10:00<Lethalman>yw
10:00<hlfshell>i would have never guessed the cat part
10:00<Lethalman>don't forge the quoting `
10:00<hlfshell>will do, tahnks
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10:01<jct>Right, startx kinda worked, I got a grey mottled screen with a black X in the middle. No login, no bars, or.. well anything
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10:04<jct>SO lupine_86 how would i go about starting X via x/k/gdm as startx kinda worked, but not satisfactorily
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10:07<enouf>Lethalman: kill -19 `pidof lpd` is probably better
10:08<enouf>Lethalman: well, whichever signal
10:08<Lethalman>enouf, i had the .pid file he said
10:08<enouf>ah.. duh
10:08<Lethalman>;)
10:08<enouf>my bad
10:08<Lethalman>anyway killall -9 lpd was yet better :)
10:08<enouf>heh
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10:12<JC_t>Can anyone help me start the GUI on lenny/sid release i386 of debian please? When i turn it on it runs through the warmup lines then, when MY pc takes me toa login screen with a pretty glass background, this one merely presents me with a command line for username / password, then #name#/debian: @
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10:13<Lethalman>JC_t, ?
10:13<JC_t>Basically, ive installed lenny on a PC, its all gone sweetly, but the GUI isnt appearing and 'startx' just present me to a grey background with a mouse pointer on it
10:14<Lethalman>ah
10:14<Lethalman>you might need to install a DE
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10:14<Lethalman>such as gnome, kde, xfce....
10:14<JC_t>ooh
10:14<JC_t>so apt-get install gnome?
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10:17<Lethalman>JC_t, yes, there're a few choices for gnome
10:17<Lethalman>gnome-core, gnome, gnome-desktop-environment and junior-gnome
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10:17<Lethalman>it depends on how full you want your desktop
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10:18<jct>Sorry, wireless cut out. Apt-get install gnome/kde w/e should see me right Lethalman?
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10:19<Lethalman>yes
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10:19<Lethalman><Lethalman> JC_t, yes, there're a few choices for gnome
10:19<Lethalman><Lethalman> gnome-core, gnome, gnome-desktop-environment and junior-gnome
10:19<Lethalman><Lethalman> it depends on how full you want your desktop
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10:19<Lethalman>gnome is a good choice
10:19<jct>Thanks, lol, ill settle for 'working'
10:19<Lethalman>:)
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10:43<davi>Has been the emacs-snapshot packages removed?
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10:48<erKURITA>what, you could take snapshots with Emacs? dude it's just a text editor...
10:48<JC_t>Gnome has given me a login screen with username/password input option, but when i login to the account it presents me with just a light grey screen. Normally mine pops up with a box showing what it is opening to start the environment, but this one just gives me a silver screen. I have JUST installed gnome. Any thoughts?
10:50<cahoot>erKURITA: joking?
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10:50<JC_t>fresh install of lenny/sid debian
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10:50<erKURITA>cahoot judging by the package name, I hope it's not true...
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10:51<cahoot>erKURITA: you really never heard what they say about emacs?
10:51<erKURITA>that you can play quake with it?
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10:54<cahoot>erKURITA: well, something like: an os lacking a usable editor
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10:59<krishna>JC_t: could you install a small WM like fluxbox or icewm and try to log into one of them? tell us if it works
11:00<krishna>JC_t: you can choose which wm in the login screen
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11:03<JC_t>I have tried, from the login screen, to log into failsafe terminal, failsafe gnome, gnome. well, all of them. I even tried to make it auto-login. End result: all i get when i turn on the pc is a silver default screen and a mouse pointer.
11:03<JC_t>So now i cannot even access the loginscreen due to automatic login.
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11:14<padski>JC_t, can you get to a vc ?
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11:16<krishna>JC_t: a think you have an X server running ok, and have no desktop installed. If you have a mouse pointer (not an X shape pointer) you do have a failsafe environment
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11:19<Roy911>Hi, my wine packages have recently broken themselves, and now when I try to install wine, I get this:
11:19<Roy911>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
11:19<Roy911> wine: Depends: libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1) but it is not installable
11:19<Roy911>E: Broken packages
11:19-!-Roy911 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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11:19<padski>!paste
11:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:19<Roy911>That was 3 lines though..
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11:21<padski>looks like the fourth or fifth that triggered the bot
11:21<dondelelcaro>Roy911: it was four lines, actually
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11:21<Roy911>Very well then, http://rafb.net/p/vFSEOM19.html
11:21<dondelelcaro>Roy911: and you shouldn't paste here in general.
11:21<Roy911>'Kay.
11:22<dondelelcaro>Roy911: whatever version of wine you're trying to install is probably out of date, as libldap2 no longer exists.
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11:23<Roy911>Right, I have the alternative slapd installed.
11:23<dondelelcaro>Roy911: apt-cache policy wine; apt-cache policy libldap2; apt-cache policy; will be useful.
11:23<dondelelcaro>Roy911: there's no alternative for the library.
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11:23<Roy911>Uh, attempting to install it tells me there are 3 possible replacements.
11:24<dondelelcaro>Roy911: if you give the apt-cache policy output that I asked for, we can tell you what precisely you need to do.
11:24<Roy911>Okay.
11:24<dondelelcaro>replacements can't satisfy versioned dependencies, which is why they're not terribly useful.
11:25<Roy911>Ah, okay. http://rafb.net/p/is7N5z75.html
11:25<bighornram>I've changed the default application for CD insertion to grip. It opens upon insertion as it should. Would there be a command I can add to the command to use an already open instance of grip when the CD is inserted?
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11:26<dondelelcaro>Roy911: trying to install the winehq versions isn't going to work.
11:26<enouf>bighornram: no idea, unless there's a 'refresh' option maybe
11:26<dondelelcaro>Roy911: use the version we distribute
11:27<Roy911>So remove the winehq repository, update and install?
11:27<dondelelcaro>Roy911: right.
11:27<Roy911>Okay, thanks.
11:27<dondelelcaro>Roy911: in general, you shouldn't need any external repositories
11:27<dondelelcaro>(there are exceptions of course, but that's the general rule)
11:28<Roy911>'Kay.
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11:28<padski>bighornram, maybe something like (ps a | grep grip) || grip ? or does the grip instance need to be told ?
11:29<krishna> JC_t: a think you have an X server running ok, and have no desktop installed. If you have a mouse pointer (not an X shape pointer) you do have a failsafe environment
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11:29<Roy911>Ah, many thanks dondelelcaro, wine is appears to be downloading/installing.
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11:31<JC_t>I am trying to connect online via this item 'http://www.edimax.com/en/support_detail.php?pd_id=3&pl1_id=1&pl2_id=44' It worked when i was in terminal to download Gnome d-e, but for some reason i cannot get it to connect right now. I am thinking that maybe i havent configure network to accept it as an internet option. Any help? Lenny/sid, gnome.
11:31<JC_t>The wireless lan it is trying to reach is passworded, but i know the password, but htere is nowhere to enter this password
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11:35<padski>JC_t, how do you know that it does not connect
11:36<JC_t>because epiphany and iceweasel dont access the internet
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11:36<padski>type 'ifconfig' in a terminal as root
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11:37<JC_t>To do that ill have to disconnet this one. do you reckon ifconfig should see me right, or are there followup steps?
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11:38<padski>why do you have to disconnect this one ?
11:38<JC_t>two PCs, one usb connector
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11:38<JC_t>one monitor
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11:39<padski>JC_t, heh
11:39<JC_t>I'm getting more exercise today runing round the bac to disconnect and reconnect wires than i ave in the past week
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11:41<padski>ifconfig will show you a list of configured network interfaces. iwconfig will tell you about wifi. there may be gui progs that would be better for you, but I don't know them. if you are going back and forth like that then you have your work cut out.
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11:43<Fork__>hi
11:43-!-Fork__ is now known as Slack
11:45<Slack>somebody ?
11:45<padski>anybody ?
11:45<Slack>:(
11:45<padski>Slack, repeat your question perhaps
11:45<Slack>my english is so bad
11:45<Slack>sorry
11:45<Slack>but try
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11:47<padski>!es
11:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:47<padski>!br
11:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:48<bighornram>is there a switch or option to startup grip with that will use an already opened instance of grip instead of opening a new window?
11:48<Slack>when i'm try to install any package in debian lenny, apt-get synaptic and aptitude say me that other packages will be removed, include gnome,gdm,etc
11:49<padski>bighornram, perhaps ask upstream
11:50<bighornram>padski: ?
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11:50<padski>Slack, paste an example
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11:50<ffm>hey, how do I tell the netboot cd I wanna install unstable?
11:50<ffm>(rather than etch
11:50<padski>bighornram, they would certainly have the insight into the app to advise you.
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11:50<Slack>apt-get install any package
11:51<padski>bighornram, or perhaps ask the maintainers
11:51<bighornram>padski: sorry don't know what upstream is.
11:51<padski>!upstream
11:51<dpkg>from memory, upstream is where Debian developers download software from, or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-developer-duties.en.html#s-upstream-coordination
11:51<Slack>The following packages will be REMOVED:
11:51<Slack> alacarte{u} bsh{u} bsh-gcj{u} bug-buddy{u} capplets-data{u}
11:51<Slack> cupsys-common{u} desktop-file-utils{u} dmz-cursor-theme{u}
11:51<padski>!tell Slack about paste
11:51<padski>what is that {u} thing ?
11:52<Lethalman>Slack, nopaste: http://paste.debian.net
11:52<Slack>sorry
11:52-!-fxiny [~fxiny@host190-59-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
11:52<Slack>but, what you think ?
11:53<Lethalman>Slack, first paste
11:54<Lethalman>and paste your sources.list
11:55<enouf>fxiny: !!
11:55<enouf>fxiny: no porbs!
11:55<Slack>http://paste.debian.net/14240/
11:55<Slack>the sources.list
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11:59<fxiny>enouf: yes ! 2 more days ;)
11:59<enouf>haha - where ya been?
12:00<fxiny>enouf: chopping trees ;)
12:00<fxiny>ops
12:00<enouf>ops
12:00<fxiny>i'll be in the upper window ;)
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12:10<Vincent_k>Hello
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12:10<Vincent_k>anyone know of a good page for seting up printers on debian
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12:12<newsense>trying to install debian on an old box and get to the point where im 70 something % into the install base system where the installer aborts tty4 complains about dbootstrap segfaulting aand package depend problems
12:12<newsense>any help ?
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12:13<enouf>newsense: hardware specs are?
12:13<newsense>i dont really know
12:13<padski>!printers
12:13<dpkg>hmm... printers is to see if you printer works in linux, go to http://www.linuxprinting.org and go to printer listings Evil Things From Hell Sent To Torment System Administrators.
12:13<enouf>newsense: go pull a box out of the dumpster
12:13<newsense>bios are lacking any features
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12:13<newsense>thats where i got it
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12:13<enouf>i knew i
12:13<enouf>it
12:13<newsense>had win98 working on it
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12:13<enouf>ok, then spend 20$ for a system ;-)
12:14<newsense>im unemployed and stealing the neighbors wifi
12:14<newsense>jk :)
12:14<newsense>its for my brother
12:14<enouf>newsense: listen, do you recall a Dynamic MMap error?
12:14<fxiny>win98 ? now tell us (me and enouf) is a deschutes !
12:14<fxiny>yes ?
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12:15<enouf>newsense: try not installing a ton of stuff during install - do it after you got it going - add software later
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12:15<newsense>enouf: no
12:15<newsense>during base-install
12:15<newsense>installing the base system
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12:15<enouf>newsense: segfault is a RAM error usually, unless some 'media' is bad
12:15<newsense>ahh
12:15<newsense>maybe ill pull out some ram and try again
12:16<enouf>newsense: find the specs
12:16<newsense>any commands i can use from like tty2 to check
12:16<newsense>ram
12:16<enouf>newsense: you can boot the install cd, do 'check integrity', then do memetest86+
12:16<enouf>newsense: memtest86+
12:16<newsense>cool
12:16<newsense>ill be back
12:17<newsense>yall are great
12:17<newsense>got no kvm switch and only 1 monitor kbd and mouse
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12:17*enouf thinks we yall are tired ;-)
12:17<newsense>pain in the arse
12:17<newsense>lol
12:17<enouf>yeah, i know the dealio
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12:18<newsense>good lookin
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12:18*newsense is guessing enough is not from us ?
12:18*fxiny reads the tango manual for sunday venue
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12:19<ben_goodger>newsense: statistically you are likely correct, as 94% of the world's population is not from the US
12:19<newsense>i know this
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12:20<ben_goodger>actually, let me check that
12:20<newsense>didnt realize it till i started using irc 15 yrs ago
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12:20<ben_goodger>ah, it appears to be 95.4%
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12:24<newsense>memtest86 gonna take a while huh
12:24<padski>heh
12:25<newsense>nm
12:25<qq586>how much ram ?
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12:25<newsense>512
12:25<newsense>mb
12:25<newsense>not gb
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12:26<padski>not KB then.
12:26<Benson>512gb would be impressive... =)
12:26<newsense>i was being a smart ass sorry
12:26<padski>512KB should be enough ...
12:26<fxiny>512 with w98 ? wt4x !
12:27<padski>:-)
12:27<fxiny>it should be 64Mb ...
12:27<fxiny>maybe 32
12:27<padski>640K ?
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12:28<Zathras>hi., Is it on Lenny still normal to have iceweasel 3 to wait a long long time to go to granparadiso and then crash?
12:28<Zathras>without displaying a thing
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12:29<ben_goodger>Zathras: we are on iceweasel 3.0.1 now. check that this is the version you're using
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12:29<Zathras>I am using an up2date Lenny (got latest patches 2 mins ago) on amd64
12:29<fxiny>a park ?
12:29<fxiny>ops
12:29<padski>up2date Lenny ???
12:30<ben_goodger>padski: up-to-date?
12:30<padski>oh, I see .... please ignore
12:30<ben_goodger>heh
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12:30<Zathras>iceweasel 3.0~rc2-2
12:30<ben_goodger>that's not the latest version
12:31<ben_goodger>I have 3.0.1-1 here
12:31<ben_goodger>(on lenny/amd64)
12:32<fxiny>rc2 ?
12:32<fxiny>hmm
12:32<Zathras>Hmm. That's the second time I notice I do not have an uptodate system after apt-get update && apt-get upgrade without problems
12:32<ben_goodger>Zathras: use aptitude, not apt-get
12:33<ben_goodger>(aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade)#
12:33<padski>ben_goodger, out of interest, why ?
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12:33<Zathras>iceweasel3 is still a wierd thing: it insists I remove jdk1.4. If I do not do so it fails on xulrunner
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12:35<Zathras>lol. I just issued that aptitude line and still no upgrade of iceweasel !
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12:36<Zathras>yep. a report of 23 conflicts
12:37<qq586>correct your sources list ?
12:37<Lethalman>Zathras, what if you dist-upgrade?
12:37<ben_goodger>padski: because apt-get is deprecated
12:37<ben_goodger>from http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html : "Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console both for package installations and package or system upgrades."
12:37<ben_goodger>ack
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12:37<ben_goodger>aptitude install iceweasel
12:37<fxiny>-s
12:39<padski>aptitude preferred is not the same as apt-get is deprecated, although you have a have a good point, I wasn't aware of that paragraph I've only seen similar in release notes.
12:40<Zathras>aptitude is a bit retarded some times. I can auto select tons of packages to remove. Without being clear why that is. For instance it can instruct to remove gnome (which I use)
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12:41<ben_goodger>Zathras: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
12:41<padski>ben_goodger, is apt-get, in fact, deprecated ? I thought it was being actively developed.
12:41<fxiny>don't like apt-get deprecated
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12:42<padski>fxiny, not liking apt-get is deprecated ?
12:42<fxiny>padski: yes
12:42<ben_goodger>padski: good point. I have seen somewhere that apt-get is deprecated, but can't find it... I suppose the fact that a drop-in replacement with superior dependency resolution exists said "deprecated" to me
12:42<ben_goodger>nonetheless, it doesn't really matter
12:42<padski>;-)
12:43<fxiny>padski: it works fine , i use aptitude but i always double check it with apt-get
12:43<ben_goodger>that's nonsensical
12:43<fxiny>and i want to know where a package is coming from
12:43<padski>I've compred the two when upgrading from one release to the next.
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12:44<padski>compared
12:44<ben_goodger>Zathras: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ...?
12:44<noflash>I vote for apt-get ;)
12:44<qq586>too
12:44<fxiny>padski: lasty time i tryed etch2lenny aptitude failed and apt-get installed
12:44<ben_goodger>good for you
12:44<Zathras>ben_goodger, just using pastebinit for the firsttime. I does not do what it needs to so it seems
12:44<newsense>im ol skool and always find myself using apt-get
12:44<newsense>aptitude pulls in less depends though so i try to use it
12:44<Zathras>maybe old-skool copy/paste is better ;-)
12:45<ben_goodger>Zathras: not really, you'll be kicked for flooding by the bot
12:45<Lethalman>apt-get and aptitude are different
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12:45<xchatter>folld
12:45<ben_goodger>you could use the #flood channel, of course
12:45<Lethalman>and there's also dselect
12:45<xchatter>
12:45<xchatter>
12:45<xchatter>
12:45<xchatter>
12:45-!-xchatter was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
12:45<fxiny>naked truth : aptitude adds nothing to a skilled user
12:45<newsense>dselect, never liked it
12:45<fxiny>but again , i always used it on etch
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12:45<Lethalman>they're just two different front-ends
12:46<xchatter> ohh sorry for spam
12:46<newsense>or tasksel
12:46<ben_goodger>xchatter: don't do that again
12:46<Zathras>no. I was takling about pasting it to a pastebin
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12:46<xchatter>no my shitty client you see
12:46<fxiny>dselect is fast for putting packages on hold
12:46<Zathras>pastebin.com (default) did not work, but this one did: http://rafb.net/p/XNEwgj73.html
12:47<padski>they all add libstdc++
12:47<newsense>never had a reason to hold a package yet
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12:47<Zathras>hmm. I think I have spotted the problem
12:47<Lethalman>Zathras, what are you doing?
12:47<xchatter>!dpkg | xchatter
12:47<ben_goodger>xchatter appears to be spamming me in PM, do let's ignore him
12:47<Zathras>Lethalman, I was trying to use "pastebinit"
12:47<Lethalman>no generally
12:47<newsense>lol
12:48<Zathras>trying to upgrade Lenny which is not up2date although apt-get seems to claim so
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12:48<ben_goodger>Lethalman: he's trying to upgrade iceweasel in lenny, and is having dependency resolution conflicts spewed at him
12:48<xchatter>man i love debian but where is dpkg?
12:48<padski>!ops xchatter is a troll
12:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski complains about: xchatter is a troll
12:48<Lethalman>ah
12:48<Lethalman>any paste showing such dependency problems?
12:48<xchatter>padski: what?
12:48<ben_goodger>Lethalman: nope, he can't make pastebin work
12:48<fxiny>and apt-get handles dependencies , it seems aptitude plays god ...
12:48<Lethalman>why???? O_o
12:48<ben_goodger>I don't know
12:49<ben_goodger>maybe he doesn't have a p key on his keyboard
12:49<Zathras>ben_goodger, I did. See url I gave
12:49<fxiny>rebel to the core : if apt-get goes deprecated i will never use aptitude ;)
12:49<ben_goodger>oh, there it is, I do apologise
12:49<xchatter>!beer | padski
12:49*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Franziskaner Hefeweizen for | padski
12:49<Lethalman>Zathras, what happens when you issue aptitude install iceweasel
12:49<Zathras>In url I noticed one line in my sources.conf still pointing to etch packages for xen3 which is bad
12:49<Lethalman>paste nopaste: http://paste.debian.net
12:49<xchatter>chiillpadski
12:49<ben_goodger>BY GOD!
12:49<ben_goodger>what the hell is this?!
12:50<azeem>xchatter: do you have a Debian question?
12:50<fxiny>xchatter: take you corpse off my msg window :P
12:50<xchatter>azeem:why do you ask?
12:50<ben_goodger>Zathras: this sources.list seems to be ideal for thoroughly ruining your system
12:50<xchatter>heh
12:50<xchatter>guys kick me
12:51<ben_goodger>yes, for god's sake, someone kick him
12:51<xchatter>kill me ban me
12:51<Zathras>why? All lines are commented out
12:51<xchatter>will someone kick me please hahaha lol
12:51<azeem>xchatter: if you don't, please either keep quiet or leave
12:51<Lethalman>Zathras, aptitude install iceweasel -> nopaste: http://paste.debian.net
12:51<xchatter>!ops xchatter hes a troll
12:51<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xchatter complains about: xchatter hes a troll
12:51<azeem>xchatter: please don't abuse !ops
12:51<padski>heh
12:52<fxiny>seppuku troll !
12:52<xchatter>azeem:better shut your mouth
12:52-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
12:52-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@59.178.173.124] by azeem
12:52-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
12:52<ben_goodger>woot
12:52<azeem>xchatter: you've been silenced for 10 minutes
12:52<Zathras>ff3 seems to work now, but I have lost sdk1.4 :-(
12:52<padski>azeem, thanks
12:52<azeem>xchatter: please keep it on-topic from now on
12:52<ben_goodger>now, where's zathras gone
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12:52<Lethalman>Zathras, can you paste the output please?
12:52<Lethalman>you won't be helped else
12:52<Zathras>of what?
12:52<Lethalman>3 times i'm saying
12:53<ben_goodger>of aptitude install iceweasel
12:53<Zathras>I have already installed that. It upgraded Iceweasel and now it seems to run
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12:53<ben_goodger>excellent
12:53<Lethalman>Zathras, remove that xen line and do a dist-upgrade
12:53<Zathras>however XULrunner conflicts with j2sdk1,4 by Sun for some reason and insisted I removed it
12:54<Zathras>so I did. But I am not happy with that
12:54<Zathras>I already did Lethalman
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12:54<ben_goodger>hurrah for dpkg
12:54<Zathras>what I fail to see is what XULrunner has got to do with jdks I have installed
12:54<Lethalman>Zathras, aptitude install sun-java6-dsk
12:54<Lethalman>*sdk
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12:55<Zathras>I already have that. Not all jdks are compatible with all java
12:55<Lethalman>O_o
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12:55<ben_goodger>that's the best oxymoron I've ever heard
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12:55<Zathras>that's whay there is /etc/alternatives !
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12:56<ben_goodger>dpkg: stop quitting randomly. robots aren't supposed to complain
12:56<dpkg>ben_goodger: no idea
12:56<Zathras>lol
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12:57<padski>anyone see this CVE-2008-3280 ?
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12:58<ben_goodger>no, no I have not.
12:58<r2r>helloguys was anyone named xchat or someone spam here?
12:58<ben_goodger>r2r: yep
12:58<r2r>who?
12:58<r2r>please give ip
12:58<ben_goodger>xchatter. he was verbose and brief
12:58<ben_goodger>ah, that would be 59.178.173.124, I believe
12:59<fxiny>hahaha he's back !
12:59<ben_goodger>quite.
12:59<r2r>grhhh... its my bro again
12:59<ben_goodger>lovely
13:00<fxiny>your bro ? hahahah : lame^32 excuse :P
13:00<r2r>i hate this please ban him at first siteanyways i need dpkg the bot source and padski hope you remeber me
13:01<padski>r2r, remind me
13:01<r2r>fxiny: for proof see logs at freenode anyways this #debain consideranother channel for this discussion
13:01<r2r>padski, iam the one about the balde server who'sjust got 256mb ram remember
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13:02<padski>r2r, that does ring a bell, yes.
13:02-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
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13:02<ben_goodger>Zathras: any luck repairing your tattered system?
13:02<r2r>azeem: hello you an op my i talk to your for a sec
13:03<azeem>eh?
13:03<Zathras>ben_goodger, yes and no:
13:03<fxiny>r2r: say what you want : stats are on my side
13:03<r2r>azeem: please st ban on xchatter , killler , brother they are most probably my spamming bro
13:04<Zathras>I do not have any problems at the moment, however apt/aptitude still claim I am uptodate which I do not trust now
13:04<ben_goodger>Zathras: hmmm
13:04<azeem>r2r: none of those people is in the chan
13:04<ben_goodger>run aptitude -f install and pastebin the output before saying "yes" to anything
13:05<r2r>azeem: if they join
13:05<Zathras>and U am not happy with losing jdk1.4
13:05<Zathras>*I am
13:05<azeem>r2r: if they join and disturb the channel, they will get moderated, yes
13:05<r2r>thankyou guys bye
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13:06<Zathras>guess I will have to learn to live with these things
13:06<ben_goodger>Zathras: run aptitude -f install and pastebin the output before saying "yes" to anything
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13:06<raevol>could anyone reccomend a torrent client for debian similar to utorrent?
13:06<ben_goodger>raevol: transmission-gtk
13:07<ben_goodger>for lenny. otherwise, I recommend you run utorrent in wine, or try azureus
13:07<raevol>thanks
13:07<Zathras>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
13:07<raevol>man azureus has gotten super bloated
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13:08<grummund>hi, anyone know what support exists for serial eeprom cards? i've a serial eeprom in smartcard format, and a dell laptop with smartcard reader, can i read/write the card with debian?
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13:08<ben_goodger>Zathras: you should be OK then... just remove that "etch" line from your sources.list
13:08<ben_goodger>raevol: it has indeed...
13:08<Zathras>did so
13:09<ben_goodger>goodo
13:09<Zathras>thank you all very much
13:09<ben_goodger>that's ok
13:11<path>guys if a package appears like this: gdm {u}
13:11<path>whenever I tried to remove a package that means It will upgrade it ?
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13:12<HeLL[o]WeeN>list
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13:14<qq586>17:02:50] <Lethalman> Zathras, what if you dist-upgrade?
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13:19<qq586>sry
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13:29<null_byte>hi, anyone can give me his sources.list file? i net installed debian and is .. kinda... weird :D
13:29<cahoot>!sources
13:29<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
13:30<null_byte>thanks cahoot
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13:35<null_byte>i addedd the lines from the example sources.list and i get:
13:35<null_byte>W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
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13:36<cahoot>null_byte: try /topic
13:37<null_byte>i am really dumb :((
13:37<null_byte>thanks again
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13:39<acu_rodna>I have installed lenny on AMD64 laptop with NVIDIA etc - I cannot recompile NVIDIA driver - and I think some of my settings in linux are messed - is anyway to reinstall EVERYTHING and reset ALL SETTINGS (configuration files) ?
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13:41<gusnan>Does someone have a Etch menu.lst example that is able to boot a lenny install? I have some problems making it work.
13:42<null_byte>cahoot: can you recommend me a complete sources.list file? with a lot of sources? like ubuntu?
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13:42<cahoot>etch or lenny doesn't matter
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13:43<cahoot>etch or lenny doesn't matter for menu.lst gusnan
13:44<cahoot>null_byte: this is minedeb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib:
13:44<null_byte>that's all? :)
13:44<gusnan>cahoot: ah, I have a Etch install on sdb1 and then my Lenny install on sdb2, and have massive problems making it find the lenny kernel.
13:44<cahoot>remove the trailing :
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13:47<cahoot>gusnan: so your lenny root is (hd1,1)?
13:48<gusnan>cahoot, Yes.
13:48<cahoot>and the kernel line looks like .. ?
13:50<cahoot>never mind
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13:51<jthomas>Does anyone know the current state of capturing video with firewire in Lenny? Last I tried i couldn't get it to go and I was told that Lenny was in-between an insecure IEEE1394 stack, and a non-functional one :(
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13:53<gusnan>cahoot, http://paste.debian.net/14248/
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13:53<cahoot>gusnan: running in stereo?
13:54<gusnan>cahoot, Heh - If you are referring to posting on both #debian, then yes.
13:54<cahoot>ok stick to lagbolt
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14:53<mihkel>Hey, todays lenny update broke my locale. It says et_ET.UTF-8 not found.
14:54<mihkel>I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, made sure that et is selected, but nothing
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15:00<mihkel>from /var/log/aptitude:
15:00<mihkel>[UPGRADE] locales 2.7-10 -> 2.7-13
15:00<mihkel>[UPGRADE] tzdata 2008c-1 -> 2008e-2
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15:40<istoc>Hi, is there a way to automate SSH login for tunneling?
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15:48<raevol>istoc, yes
15:48<raevol>um let me look up a guide
15:48<istoc>raevol, Oh coo, thanks
15:48<istoc>cool*
15:51<raevol>http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20040816224717742
15:51<istoc>thanks!
15:51<raevol>np
15:52<raevol>that'll just auto authorize you, you'll still need to type in the command
15:52<raevol>but you could put that in a script
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16:14<chahibi>Has anyone ever experienced a system freeze when running a 3D app on a ATI card?
16:14<chahibi>I just want to make sure it is not a hardware problem
16:14<chahibi>That is when I use the closed driver. With the free one, the system freezes seconds after X starts
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16:15<krishna>chahibi: not when running a 3d app, but I have problems with an ati card several times, with proprietary fglrx driver. With free driver, I have no 3d acceleration
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16:17<sasha>hi does anybody know of an existing patch that let the ATI fglrx driver 8.7 works with kernel 2.6.26
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16:18<superlamer>change your graphics cards :)
16:18<superlamer>ati = problem
16:19<sasha>laptop built in
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16:19<sasha>;)
16:19<amphi>unless sufficiently old ;)
16:19<chahibi>superlamer, what do you recommend?
16:19<krishna>sasha: i have the same problem
16:19<krishna>sasha: didn't solve yet
16:20<sasha>krishna : thanks
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16:20<amphi>intel is well supported
16:20<sasha>krishna : loooks like the gentoo guys managed to do it
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16:20<sasha>i have an ati pretty recent and i m not facing any problems
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16:21<krishna>sasha: i'll take a look
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16:21<chahibi>amphi, not all intels.
16:21<superlamer>gforce
16:21<chahibi>voodoo
16:21<superlamer>:D
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16:21<amphi>chahibi: which intel video cards are not supported?
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16:22<superlamer>sasha you are lucky :)
16:22<chahibi>amphi, I don't remember the exact reference. But with my old laptop, the card did only work on low graphics (16 bits), gradients were flat
16:23<superlamer>no no, ati is not always problem, but there are sometimes problems
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16:23<chahibi>superlamer, the one with an external electric feed
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16:24<superlamer>chahini, you right, chipset i810, glx works only with 16bit
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16:25<chahibi>amphi, it was using the i810 driver
16:27<superlamer>i think, nvidia is the best for linux
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16:28<superlamer>on laptop some intel graphic
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16:58<b52laptop>hi
16:58<chahibi>hi b52laptop :)
16:58<b52laptop>ppl is there a tool that take an image of debian and restitute it like it was on a new hard drive ?
16:58<b52laptop>chahibi, hi mate :)
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17:01<lucas_amorim>Hello, I am having a serius problem on a machine of a friend of mine running debian lenny
17:01<lucas_amorim>when it boots it gives-me the following error:
17:02<lucas_amorim>Reiserfs superblock in block 16 on 0x801 of format 3.6 with standard journal
17:02<lucas_amorim>Filesystem is NOT clean
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17:03<lucas_amorim>Warning... fsck.reiserfs for device /dev/sda1 exited with signal 6.
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17:03<lucas_amorim>fsck died with exit status 8
17:04<lucas_amorim>then it gives-me in red: " failed (code 8)
17:04<lucas_amorim>and then gets into maitainance shell
17:04<lucas_amorim>it says that fsck must be performed manually
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17:06<lucas_amorim>I tried this: fsck /dev/sda1 -V
17:06<lucas_amorim>but it seems that nothing happens
17:06<lucas_amorim>no output is displayed, it only gets to a new line and back to the prompt
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17:07<lucas_amorim>what should I do???
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17:12<lucas_amorim>please help me
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17:14<Lethalman>lucas_amorim, cat `which fsck`
17:15<weasel>Lethalman: um?
17:15<lucas_amorim>Lethalman: what do you mean
17:16<Lethalman>is it a binary? is it really fsck?
17:16<Lethalman>or try fsck.reiserfs instead
17:17<lucas_amorim>I have also done this
17:17<Lethalman>is it a binary? how many bytes?
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17:18<lucas_amorim>it only display a line saying "reiserfsck 3.6.19 (2003 www.namesys.com)
17:18<Lethalman>it's impossible fsck has not output
17:18<lucas_amorim>and then it stops
17:18<weasel>no news is good news.
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17:18<lucas_amorim>Lethalman: well, if there is any output, it is not in the screen :p
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17:21<lucas_amorim>weasel: then what do you think is happening?
17:21<lucas_amorim>I just cant start up the system :(
17:21<weasel>it's reiserfs. I think that's a bad idea to begin with.
17:22<lucas_amorim>its not an HD, its an SSD, if that helps
17:22<lucas_amorim>...
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17:24<Phoul>anyone know about this: The assembly mscorlib.dll was not found or could not be loaded.
17:24<Phoul>It should have been installed in the `/usr/lib/mono/2.0/mscorlib.dll' directory.
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17:33<acu>I have most anoying problem - an GForce 7000 on a AMD64 Laptop since I got Debian Lenny with 2.6.52 I compiled the latest NvIDIA driver - and if I log on X it works with good resolution - however if I reboot - when I reenter in X the screen freezez any hint ?
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17:41<miscr>hey, im trying to install debian on a new notebook and got trouble with configuring Xorg could anyone help me?
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17:51<acu>miscr: shoot
17:51<acu>I have pain with mine - but I made others work -
17:51<acu>miscr
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18:25<stricken>can someone help me install pigin with apt-get ? im wondering do i need to change something in sources.list to install it? i have already tryed in terminal apt-get install pidgin, i get the following error code: E: Couldn't find package pidgin
18:26<stricken>i have read the APT HOWTO - Basic Configuration manuel on the website but i dont quite understand it, being new to linux
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18:26<stricken>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list << is the manuel ive been reading
18:26<stricken>:?
18:26<avu>stricken, what version of debian are you running?
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18:27<stricken>what is the command? i think it is the new one but im unsure
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18:27<avu>there really is no 'new one'
18:27<stricken>what is the command to check the version
18:27<avu>stricken, cat /etc/debian_version
18:28<stricken>4.0
18:28<avu>then you need backports enabled to get pidgin
18:28<stricken>is that the newest version?
18:28<avu>the newest stable version, yes
18:28<avu>but when it was released, pidgin was still called gaim
18:29<avu>so either install the old version called gaim or enable backports, it contains a recent pidgin version
18:29<avu>!tell stricken about backports
18:29<stricken>thankyou
18:29<stricken>^^
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18:32<raevol>splashy theme, slim theme, xfce theme, cursor theme.... debian is now sexy
18:33-!-Torsten_W [~torsten@erft-5d808694.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: so, nu isser wech]
18:33<chahibi>still not erotic
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18:33<raevol>no, but once they rework nvidia kernel modules so they don't break when you change kernels it will be
18:34<raevol>i don't know how all that works but that's the one thing i find super frustrating in debian/linux
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18:40<avu>stricken, don't send private messages to people without asking, please
18:40<avu>stricken, just ask your question here in the channel
18:41<stricken>ok sorry
18:41<stricken>[23:40] <stricken> do you know if there was any other changes in pidgin besides the name change from gaim?
18:41<avu>yes there were :)
18:42<avu>http://pidgin.im/ChangeLog there's the changelog
18:42<stricken>could you inform me?
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18:42<stricken>ty
18:42<avu>the short answer is 'many many little things'
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18:43<avu>(all changelog entries up to and including the one for 2.0.0describe the stuff that's been changed since it was called gaim)
18:44<avu>ah, no, etch already contains a 2.0 beta so the gaim version there will have most if not all features of pidgin 2.0.0 but nothing beyond that
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18:47<stricken>alright thanks avu, you have been helpful.
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18:48<Folk_theory>can someone help me get sound? I only have system beeps
18:48<Folk_theory>which are annoying as hell
18:49<newsense>alsa installed ?
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18:49<avu>!tell Folk_theory about alsa checklist
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18:49<newsense>avu, thanks didnt know about the checklist
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18:50<Folk_theory>alsaconf doesn't find any cards
18:51<newsense>lspci ?
18:51<newsense>dmesg ?
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18:52<Folk_theory>00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia
18:53<avu>!tell Folk_theory about which driver
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18:54<Folk_theory>snd-hda-intelv2.6.25
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18:54<avu>Folk_theory, are you running a kernel >= 2.6.25?
18:54<Folk_theory>2.6.24-1-486
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18:55<newsense>avu nice factoid
18:55<newsense>wish i knew about that site before
18:55*newsense bookmarks it
18:56<Folk_theory>allright so how do I get that driver
18:56<Folk_theory>oops gotta go
18:56<Folk_theory>]but thanks for the help
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19:12<raevol>you know, i used to get really angry at people who gave short, unhelpful responses to their questions
19:12<raevol>and now i realize how many people don't check google/wiki/docs before coming on ir
19:12<raevol>irc*
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19:26<alfonso>hi
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19:29<stricken>hah
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19:38<goran_>can someone tell me how can i download contents of one folder with get? if that is possible.. :)
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19:39<dondelelcaro>goran_: wget, you mean?
19:39<goran_>yes
19:40<goran_>lapsus calami, sorry :)
19:40<dondelelcaro>goran_: man wget; read about the -l, -r, -np and -nd options
19:40<dondelelcaro>posibly also the -nH options
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19:41<goran_>nope
19:41<goran_>nH is not that
19:41<goran_>ill try others now
19:42<goran_>:)
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19:43<goran_>doesnt work
19:43<goran_>is there some other way beside wget?
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19:54<MauroArgentina>hello!!!
19:54<MauroArgentina>anybpdy?
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20:15<Benson>!help
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20:21<iron>hi
20:21<grgdorn>hi
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20:23<iron>i cannot compile ipw2200 source on 2.6.25-2-686
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20:23<iron>hi grgdorn
20:24<iron>anybody knows help ?
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20:25<iron>i took the deb-package
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20:27<gsimmons>iron: Uh, why are you doing that exactly? The ipw2200 module is included within the 2.6.25-2-686 kernel image. Compiling this module out-of-tree is no longer required.
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20:28<iron>gsimmons: thx i didnt know it
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20:28<iron>cause i got problem with invisible wireless access points
20:28<iron>i tried to fix it
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20:39<Pitecantropus>> how about compiling an rpm kernel package into a deb system?
20:39<Pitecantropus>> i know it´s not meant to
20:39<Pitecantropus>yes ... never mind ... it seemed to work first time
20:39<Pitecantropus>but ... then "unresolved symbols" all over the place ....
20:40<Pitecantropus>even from packages i didnt want to be installed ... appletalk and ipx
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20:47<vook>what would be the proper way to install Iceweasel-2 in Lenny?
20:47<newsense>any kde users willing to ts a kwin issue ?
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20:48<Pitecantropus>damned ... i still can´t get a proper xdm resolution ...
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20:51<Decretum>hi
20:54<Pitecantropus>hi Decretum
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20:59<vook>nevermind - pinning... Mozilla's 3.0 offering, bleh.
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21:03<poiqwepoi>Hello all, I want to update to latest 2.6.24 kernel and after apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade I am still on the 2.6.18... (and I don't see .24 with apt-cache search) any idea? Thnks
21:04<vook>yep - Iceweasel 3.0 is ineffective at blocking popups, the same popups that Iceweasel 2.0 blocks. Oy vey
21:04<Pitecantropus>lucky you ... i´m trying to get to 2.2 ... from 2.0.
21:05<Pitecantropus>and my mouse works on console but not in xdm
21:05<vook>Hmm, I didn't know there was a 2.2
21:05<Pitecantropus>2.2.12-4
21:05<Pitecantropus>in an rpm package
21:05<Pitecantropus>under debian 2.1
21:05<vook>poiqwepoi: look for 2.6.25, or better, just 'aptitude search linux-image'
21:05<Pitecantropus>i know
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21:06<Pitecantropus>but i won´t give up ...
21:06<vook>Pitecantropus: have you tried 'X -configure' ?
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21:06<Pitecantropus>Xconfigurator? it´s from red hat?
21:07<Pitecantropus>no, no that one
21:07<vook>it usually works pretty well. The xorg.conf file usually needs some minor tweaking afterwards.
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21:08<Pitecantropus>mmmm i tried one that presents dozens of buttons .... and usually locked up the whole system
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21:09<vook>just kill your xdm, and do an 'X -configure', then test it. if the mouse works, you can get a clue how to set it up in your exising xorg.conf file, or you can replace your xorg.conf file entirely.
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21:09<Pitecantropus>i see, thx ... i can also use another display mngr, right?
21:10<vook>X -configure is a feature built-in to Xorg. Sure.
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21:10<Pitecantropus>all right i´ll try
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21:13<Pitecantropus>about getting a lot of unresolved symbols .... from modules i did not want it ...
21:13<Pitecantropus>to be installed
21:14<Pitecantropus>after re-compiling a kernel ...
21:14<Pitecantropus>and re-installed the kernel sources too
21:15<Pitecantropus>it seems to that happened for losing old config file ...
21:15<Pitecantropus>and making wrong answers then
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21:19<kthyonmachine>como intruirse para ser desarrollador debian
21:20<Pitecantropus>español? sos optimista vos eh¿
21:20<draemon>Hey guys. Got a really old thinkpad with a flaky floppy. Want to install debian, but it won't get past the first floppy (boot) (sector 0 errors). It's not the disks (tried a zillion)
21:20<Pitecantropus>it´s tough to get
21:20<draemon>any tips on how to get boot+root on the same disk?
21:20<kthyonmachine>i speack so good in english
21:21<Pitecantropus>congrats kthyonmachine
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21:24<kthyonmachine>I want to be Debian developer aid
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21:25<kthyonmachine>helpme where start
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21:27<kthyonmachine>
21:27<kthyonmachine>I need?
21:28<kthyonmachine>colombia someone who can help me
21:28<Pitecantropus>colombia? argentina here
21:28<kthyonmachine>dale
21:29<Pitecantropus>do you know bash programming?
21:29<kthyonmachine>pitecantropus
21:29<Pitecantropus>it´s an start
21:29<Pitecantropus>jejeje che
21:29<Pitecantropus>from scratch
21:30<kthyonmachine>you speak in Spanish
21:30<Pitecantropus>course
21:30<kthyonmachine>mira
21:30<noflash>!es
21:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:30<Pitecantropus>but we´re visitors here
21:30<Speedboy>anyone here going to akademy?
21:30<kthyonmachine>ok
21:30<Pitecantropus>you see?
21:30<kthyonmachine>se you later
21:31<Pitecantropus>go there
21:31<kthyonmachine>tanks
21:31<Pitecantropus>let´s go there
21:31<poiqwepoi>Is there an easy way to go from etch to etch-and-a-half... ?
21:31<kthyonmachine>i don more here
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21:38<sejje>can you get embedded wmv browser support? i can't find it at the firefox site
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21:40<Speedboy>you mean playing mwv's in firefox? if so, yeah you can sejje
21:41<sejje>is it just an iceweasel plugin? or is it some more obscure thing?
21:42<Speedboy>its just a plugin
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21:42<sejje>ok
21:42<sejje>Speedboy: ty sir
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21:42<Speedboy>i use the gecko-mediaplayer plugins, to work great
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21:49<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
21:50<Speedboy>hey
21:51<RIVE>Hi Speedboy.
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22:12<Fingel>can anyone tell me if this site: http://www.somtb.com/smf/index.php loads looking like this?: http://www.somtb.com/img/Screenshot-1.png
22:13<RIVE>Fingel, looks the same.
22:13<Fingel>k thanks
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22:26<ben_goodger>Fingel: http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotsouthernoregoxp4.png
22:27<ben_goodger>it looks the same if I make the window thinner, however.
22:28<Fingel>im messing around with it a bit right now
22:29<ben_goodger>righto
22:29<Fingel>try it now? problem could be your big resolution
22:30<ben_goodger>no, the problem is your website; my resolution is fine (and standard furthermore)
22:30<ben_goodger>ah, that's much better
22:30<Fingel>ok cool
22:31<Fingel>I never said a resolution is a problem, just that Im a newb with css and cant test all of them
22:31<ben_goodger>you shouldn't have to...
22:31<ben_goodger>I'm going to bed, anyway
22:31<Fingel>night thanks
22:31<ben_goodger>I have to be up in a few hours to buy tyres, oddly
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22:36<hiddenscript>hi all
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22:39<RIVE>HI hiddenscript.
22:39<hiddenscript>how are you?
22:40<RIVE>Fine, thank you.
22:40<Fingel>are you malicious hiddenscript?
22:40<Fingel>will you steal my cookies?
22:41<hiddenscript>maybe...
22:41<hiddenscript>xD
22:42<Fingel>:[ they are fresh baked
22:43<hiddenscript>why are you still awake? :P
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22:56<hiddenscript>why are you still awake? :P
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22:56<hiddenscript>ups
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22:59<amphi>I'm not
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23:03<Phoul>Any ideas when 2.6.26 kernel modules for fglrx will be hitting sid
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23:23<fillyl>hullo?
23:23<Pryon>hi
23:23<fillyl>oh hi
23:23<fillyl>any one here an angel fish breeder?
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23:24<fillyl>?
23:24<fillyl>?
23:24<fillyl>?
23:24<fillyl>?????????????????????
23:24<fillyl>pryon
23:24<fillyl>is this like a chat room
23:24<Pryon>Are you the same guy that had a fish question earlier in the week?
23:24<fillyl>um bout the breeding
23:24<Pryon>It's an IRC channel about the Debian distribution of linux
23:24<dondelelcaro>fillyl: if you have a Debian related question, please ask it. Otherwise, go somewhere where that's on topic.
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23:25<fillyl>oh yes um how do i kep angel fish babies alive?
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23:25<Pryon>put them in your stomach
23:25<fillyl>ummmmmmm........
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