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---Logopened Sat Aug 09 00:00:21 2008
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00:13<BLAYZ>Hello.
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00:17<RIVE>Hi BLAYZ.
00:17<blarson>!tell BLAYZ about ask
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00:22<canicue>hi
00:23<RIVE>Hi canicue.
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00:26<Jefferson>oi
00:30<Jefferson>oi bruno
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00:32<Jefferson>oi
00:32<Jefferson>BRUNOoOo
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00:44<Jefferson>oi
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00:44<kdeuser^>Heya
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00:59<linner>wondering if its possible to set up sender profiles with custom smtp sender info under mutt with postfix?
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01:00<linner>postfix doesn't seem to document client smtp auth options very well
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01:01<linner>yet ssmtp isn't a good alternative since it doesn't handle local delivery
01:02<linner>because postfix is running as a daemon continuously, i don't know how well the idea would work: having to pass custom client smtp auth info to it, requiring reloading of the daemon config each time a new profile is invoked
01:03<linner>guess i should be asking this stuff on #postfix. sorry
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01:04<wangahrah>i'm looking for some assistance building a raid driver, but am getting a bit confused with some kernel header issues. anyone able to offer insight on how it works with linux-libc-dev instead of linux-kernel-headers?
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01:13<willfrand>hi
01:13<willfrand>somebody here?
01:13<willfrand>i need some of help
01:14<blarson>!tell willfrand about ask
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01:15<willfrand>hi blarson
01:15<blarson>wangahrah: Sounds like a question more appropriate for a driver/kernel group.
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01:16<willfrand>my first problem, is that i not speak english, i'm colombian, but in the spanish language room's no body
01:17<willfrand>then, others problems are, that mi amsn can't update
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01:18<willfrand>and to make sound in my laptop, i need modificate an file, but this file tell me that i don't have permission
01:18<willfrand>but i'm the root
01:18<willfrand>can do you help me?
01:18<willfrand>hiiiiiii
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01:19<blarson>willfrand: What's an amsn?
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01:19<willfrand>amsn is the program to messenger that emule the MSN of microsoft
01:19<willfrand>is very good
01:20<blarson>willfrand: What file are you trying to modify for sound?
01:20<willfrand>alsa-base
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01:20<willfrand>but i already make this modification
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01:21<willfrand>only that this time no results
01:21<willfrand>sorry but mi bad english
01:21<blarson>willfrand: Your engish is better than my spanish. My is spelled my not mi.
01:22<willfrand>oh, yes, a confusion
01:23<blarson>What is the error when you try to update amsn? What version of debian are you using? How are you doing the update?
01:23<willfrand>blarson, i prefer that treatment the other problem first
01:23<willfrand>where are you?
01:24<willfrand>well, the error is nothing, only that no connect
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01:26<blarson>willfrand: Microsoft may have changed the protocol again. You may need a new version of amsn (that may not be available yet).
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01:26<Gekz>how so
01:26<Gekz>msn works with msn protocol 8 still
01:26<Gekz>and its up to msnp15
01:27<willfrand>no, but amsn is a msn, but free, that make other man
01:27<blarson>willfrand: again, what version of debian? Full path of the file you are trying to modify, and what you are trying to do to it.
01:27<willfrand>i have the ubuntu 7.10 gutsy
01:28<blarson>!ubuntu
01:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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01:28<willfrand>and the file that i need modificate is, full path : etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
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01:29<willfrand>ah, then is impossible to help me?
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01:29<creeed>u
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01:35<Gekz>modificate
01:35<Gekz>hahahaa
01:35<Gekz>omg.
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01:40<willfrand>sorry Gekz, but i no speak english
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01:53<acu_rodna>why vlc and amarok work on lenny only if I started as root ?
01:53<acu_rodna>I have a usb gigaware headphone and mic (USB) what device is this - how can I in it ?
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02:39<aFlag>hi. I tried to download the CD1 from the torrent at: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-cd/
02:39<aFlag>I get this error: "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."
02:39<aFlag>any ideas? I'm using rtorrent from debian etch
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02:41<gsimmons>aFlag: Your issue has been previously reported on the debian-www list. You'll need to wait until the tracker administrator has rectified this, or use another method (eg. jigdo).
02:41<aFlag>:(
02:42<aFlag>I see, thanks
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02:53<valdyn>acu_rodna: im sure they dont just work as root
02:54<valdyn>acu_rodna: your playback method or accessing whatever media might require root
02:54<acu_rodna>valdyn: how can I know which sound card is in /dev ?
02:55<valdyn>acu_rodna: why would you care?
02:55<cahoot>got more than one?
02:55<valdyn>acu_rodna: you are not supposed to care about sound device nodes in /dev.
02:56<valdyn>acu_rodna: you use alsa, alsa interaction with /dev stuff is supposed to be hidden from users
02:56<cahoot>check out /proc/asound/cards
02:56<valdyn>acu_rodna: now unless you want to hack on alsa you dont need to know
02:56<acu_rodna>is there a command to list my devices - I want to broadcast with VLC and I have a built in sound card and a Gigaware headphoneset with USB and I have to tell the VLC which one is the sound device I need
02:56<acu_rodna>to be used
02:56<valdyn>acu_rodna: cat /proc/asound/cards
02:56<valdyn>acu_rodna: cat /proc/asound/devices
02:56<valdyn>acu_rodna: make vlc use alsa, not oss
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02:58<acu_rodna>also I have two webcams - one is build in HP webcam and one bought with 80$ - Quickcam pro9000 - neither is recognized by Ekiga - I do not know what to do
02:58<cahoot>the qc probably want uvcvideo
02:59<cahoot>(and should work fine with that)
02:59<acu_rodna>I have heard that sometimes you need to give some chmode 777 or something like this - but since I do not know which one is which - is a shooot in the dark
02:59<valdyn>acu_rodna: dont do that, its the wrong thing
02:59<valdyn>acu_rodna: but you want to be in the video group
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03:00<exsanet>oi
03:00<exsanet>alo
03:00<valdyn>acu_rodna: ( and in the sound group for sound access )
03:00<acu_rodna>valdyn: I spent 1000 $ on the laptop and 81 on a new webcam - and I have to make it work - at any cost -
03:01<exsanet>aoi
03:01<valdyn>acu_rodna: thats not relevant to support here really
03:01<exsanet>cpa neeeeeeee
03:01<valdyn>acu_rodna: debian device access is controlled by groups, not chmod
03:01<exsanet>ronda emang pos ronda
03:01<acu_rodna>the webcam is really frustrating - If I have the built in work - it will be so great - in Vista works exceptionally well - the built in and of course the quickcam pro works well in windows - so I know is not hardware
03:01<valdyn>acu_rodna: oh, shite, the group for sound is "audio", not sound
03:02<exsanet>ngomong ap ceee /
03:02<cahoot>the qc9000 probably wants a module/driver called uvcvideo - install that and test basic functionality with luvcview
03:02<acu_rodna>OK, so I have to add myself in video and audio group - that is great
03:02<exsanet>lo dh guila ya
03:02<valdyn>acu_rodna: yea
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03:03<acu_rodna>I am going to do it right now - but still I need to know where the heck and what Identity my stuff has (sound cards and webcams)
03:03<valdyn>acu_rodna: we already told you about the sound cards
03:03<valdyn>acu_rodna: for the webcam - i dont have a clue
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03:04<cahoot>acu_rodna: asoundconf can be used to decide what sounddevice you want as default
03:05<acu_rodna>cahoot: OK I will try that
03:05<valdyn>does debian in lenny already to static alsa sound card indexing_
03:05<valdyn>does debian in lenny already to static alsa sound card indexing?
03:05<cahoot>asoundconf creates an .asoundrc to the effect
03:06<valdyn>I still have my own custom "options <module> index=<value>Ä stuff
03:06<cahoot>so do I
03:07<acu_rodna>OK, since you guys are so cool - maybe you can answer me why the latest driver from NVIDIA, though is compiled - in Lenny the Xwindow crashes - it is so strange -so while I am as root - I compile the kernel and startx - the resolution is good - but if I exit and reboot - when it hits Xwindow it freezes - I tried several times without success - I have no Ideea why is that - useless to say is frustrating
03:07<valdyn>acu_rodna: thats because the nvidia driver is somehow broken
03:08<valdyn>acu_rodna: we cant debug it really, nvidia can
03:08<valdyn>acu_rodna: maybe the system isnt crashed entirely but only X is
03:09<valdyn>acu_rodna: ctrl-alt-backspace does not work at that point?
03:09<acu_rodna>did not try -
03:09<valdyn>acu_rodna: its X btw, not Xwindow
03:09<acu_rodna>I do ctrl alt delete (it reboots the system sometimes -
03:10<acu_rodna>valdyn thanks
03:10<Gekz>without putty on windows, I'd suicide
03:10<valdyn>acu_rodna: ctrl-alt-backspace is supposed to quit X
03:11<cahoot>Gekz: not credible
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03:11<valdyn>acu_rodna: if ctrl-alt-backspace works, then your system did not crash, only X did
03:11<valdyn>acu_rodna: if ctrl-alt-delete works, then your system did not crash, only X did
03:11<acu_rodna>valdyn - great I will try it - though I spent countless hours trying to figure out what the heck is going on - to me what is the most puzzling is that it works well after compilation when I do a hot xrestart (or actually when I go from root to normal user) but if I shutdown the system - when I reboot the X freezes
03:12<valdyn>acu_rodna: maybe theres something in /var/log/Xorg.0.log at that point
03:12<Gekz>SAK your computer
03:12<cahoot>acu_rodna: a bit late to ask but - how did you install nvidia?
03:12<Gekz>Alt-SAK.
03:13<valdyn>acu_rodna: you could have two parallel nvidia installs too, if you used both the nvidia installer and debians method
03:13<acu_rodna>I updated the linux-headers for AMD 2.6.25 exit xwindow login as root and run the nvidia.bla bla 12.sh driver (latest one)
03:13<valdyn>acu_rodna: that would explain the difference between restarting and compiling
03:13<acu_rodna>valdyn: I have a feeling that you are genius :)
03:14<acu_rodna>it might be then when I reboot - the debian kicks in and changes something -
03:14<valdyn>acu_rodna: no
03:15<valdyn>acu_rodna: the kernel module which gets loaded might be different depending on who loads it, the nvidia installer or debians automagic
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03:15<acu_rodna>the new dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg actually even does not show me a choice of what vga card I can have etc - it is ridiculous
03:15<valdyn>acu_rodna: Ä
03:16<vook>acu_rodna: just for fun, try 'sudo chown -R yourusername:yourusername /home/username'
03:16<acu_rodna>I know there is some RANDR or something like this - but before at least I knew what card I am using
03:16<valdyn>acu_rodna: run "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name nvidia.ko"
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03:18<vook>acu_rodna: and/or, 'ls -la /home/username' and make sure nothing is owned by root (esp .ICEauthority and .Xauthority)
03:19<acu_rodna>well I got /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
03:19<valdyn>acu_rodna:only 1, thats good
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03:21<valdyn>acu_rodna: i suggest you remove the libgl1-mesa-dri and the libgl1-mesa-glx packages and reinstall the nvidia driver
03:21<valdyn>acu_rodna: if that doesnt work id have to look at individual files, which can be much work
03:21<valdyn>acu_rodna: and wouldnt help if you are running into a real driver bug anyway
03:22<valdyn>acu_rodna: and remove all package that show in "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" too before reinstall the nvidia driver
03:23<acu_rodna>valdyn: I will do it now - I will save first this chat so I will know what to do - I am working now on sound cards - see what can I do - the webcams are hopeless- man I think someone should troubleshoot for money - if someone could do it for me I would pay - I am too busy now for this and still stuck badly - but your help is really significant - I am sure I will get something going
03:23<vook>acu_rodna: when installing nvidia drivers, do first execute the .run binary with the --help option (to see your options!) It's best to extract have the installer extract the package, then to run the nvidia installer from within the extracted directory.
03:24<acu_rodna>valdyn: I was thinking to reformat the hardisk and reinstall from scratch lenny - since I have this one going from one year -so I guess a lot of configurations got messed up with every new kernel and other changes
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03:24<acu_rodna>vook: I will do that
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03:25<acu_rodna>why there is no Debian company ready to help - now that I think I may pay canonical for help
03:26<acu_rodna>the built in webcam would worth 50$ if I can make it work
03:26<vook>ya - and reformatting/reinstalling doesn't hurt, but it isn't a good habit to get into.
03:26<acu_rodna>vook: I know - this is WindowS technique :)
03:26<vook>debian isn't a company - it's not for profit.
03:27<acu_rodna>vook: I know but someone should have a technical support for money :)
03:28<cahoot>acu_rodna: does lsusb show the usbID for the inbuilt cam?
03:28<vook>this channel is going to likely provide you with more wisdom than any for profit company. Just stick around.
03:29<acu_rodna>I think this is the reason why big companies are reluctant to use Debian - imagine a Hospital like Mayo clinic has around 20K computers plus tons of servers etc - if they will adopt Debian - it will be a big benefit for the distribution - but they are afraid and pay IBM and Dell big bucks to get sucked .
03:29<vook>acu_rodna: #debian-offtopic :)
03:29<acu_rodna>vook: indeed the help here is great - it is almost only place I came in irc - however many times I have not the time to wait and troubleshoot each step
03:30<acu_rodna>vook - I will stop it :)
03:31<blarson>acu_rodna: You can ask about hiring a consultant on debian-consultants@lists.debian.org
03:31<acu_rodna>so 2.6.25.2 will be the kernel on which Lenny stable will run
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03:48<acu_rodna>cahoot: are you still around ? I am working on the other stuff - but both webcams show if I do lsusb
03:49<acu_rodna>Bus 004 Device 002: ID 064e:a110 Suyin Corp.
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03:49<acu_rodna>that's the HP webcam
03:49<acu_rodna>Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:0990 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 9000
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03:51<cahoot>acu_rodna: it looks like both need uvcvideo - the qc9000 probably has the best support, the inbuilt possibly less mature
03:51<cahoot>http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/
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03:52<cahoot>acu_rodna: try modprobe uvcvideo - might already be included in 2.6.25
03:54<acu_rodna>bash: modprobe: command not found
03:54<cahoot>as root
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03:55<Kira|KawaiKamui>bonjour :)
03:56<acu_rodna>FATAL: Module uvcvideo not found.
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03:57<cahoot>acu_rodna: then install module-assistant and run that to create uvcvideo
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03:58<cahoot>acu_rodna: the uvc site implies that botha cams actually have good support
03:59<acu_rodna>cahoot: you are a heaven saint (sent) :) (if it works :)
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04:00<cahoot>if it works be sure to send you $50 to some charity ;)
04:00<cahoot>s/you/your/
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04:12<acu_rodna>cahoot: yes I will do it!
04:12<acu_rodna>I am working now on the stuff
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04:38<client> i've just started using konqueror as my webbrowser on a 64bit linux, and when i got to test my flash player the animation on the site shows up and then nspluginwrapper causes it to crash.
04:38<client>does anyone know how or where i can get info to fix this?
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04:39<Zoup>i do get SIGSEGV when " python -c 'import crypt ; crypt.crypt ("123" , "12")' "
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05:11<client>i get this error messagewhen trying to install klash, ibqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8b) but 3:3.3.7-4etch2 is to be installed, how to i get the version it wants?
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05:17<niru>how can i change the label of the mounted device
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05:32<cahoot>niru IIRC that's fs dpendent
05:32<enouf>niru: which one?
05:33<enouf>mtools for windows vfat/fat, and e2label for ext2/3, and .. hrm..
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05:34<enouf>not sure which for ntfs, but either mtools, or ntfstools likely
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06:03<fatal_>hello. I'm having some weird bluetooth problem. When I send a file with gnome-obex-send from my workstation to my phone (SE k530i) i get a transfer speed of 5kbyte/s. When I send browse the phone and download something from it I get like 100kbyte/s...... why is uploading so slow? The phone must surely handle to receive faster (even if read+send will probably always be faster then receive+write because of MemoryStick speed)?
06:04<fatal_>Additionally, when I send stuff... the transfer usually dies after 150kbytes transfered.... again, downloading (sending) from the phone is no problem.
06:05<fatal_>I'm assuming the problem is on the computer side..... phones must have more reliable BT nowadays, right?!
06:06<fatal_>If anyone has a bit of bluetooth experience and can share some practical information that would be appreciated! :)
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06:07<Tuplad>is there any difference between ubuntu and debian packages ?
06:07<fatal_>yes
06:08<Tuplad>fatal_: :o
06:08<Tuplad>fatal_: I'd like to install exaile, but the package in aptitude is 0.2.11 while the version on the site is 0.2.13 ... but it's only for ubuntu on their website.
06:08<fatal_>Tuplad: when the ubuntu packages are based on debian packages (ie. "universe" stuff), they often put the difference here: http://patches.ubuntu.com .... be aware that the site can be a bit out of date at times.
06:09<john_>hello i have the following problem : i burn the 1 dvd of devian and when i make this command md5sum -c md5sum.txt i see Ok in some files but in others i see error I/O. in portuguese md5sum: ./pool/contrib/a/acx100/acx100-source_20060521-3_all.deb: Erro de Entrada/Saída de dados
06:09<fatal_>Tuplad: you can take a chance and install it, hoping that it will work.... but if the package is made for ubuntu, there are definitely no guarantees and you have to gamble.
06:10<fatal_>Tuplad: or, you can file a wishlist bug against exaile asking the maintainer to update to the new bug and wait.....
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06:11<fatal_>Tuplad: although, debian is currently in freeze ... so updates now is pretty unlikely.
06:11<Tuplad>fatal_: roger that :D
06:11<john_>hello
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06:12<fatal_>john_: if you want to make sure you have a perfect cd, try burning in slower speed...
06:13<fatal_>doh.
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07:32<chattr>!debconf
07:32<dpkg>Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html
07:32<chattr>!DebConf
07:32<dpkg>Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html
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07:34<erKURITA>chattr looking for Debconf, the Debian conference?
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07:53<chattr>erKURITA: Thanks, yes, specifically information on streaming audio. I found info at http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080808
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07:54<erKURITA>alright
07:54<erKURITA>try debconf.org :)
07:54<erKURITA>or debconf8.debconf.org for this year's
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08:12<zamolxes>hey. What firewall (i.e. iptables frontend) should I use? I do use a home-brewed firewall script that works well enough, but I probably reinveint many wheels in it, so I'm looking for something standard.
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08:12<zamolxes>I see a lot of people using shorewall, is this the best option?
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08:15<abrotman>that's what a lot of people recommend for those that can't figure out raw iptables
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08:17<zamolxes>what about for people that can figure out raw iptables but have shitload of machines and don't want to copy-paste lines and scripts?
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08:17<zamolxes>it makes sense to extract common stuff (like public tcp ports, allow ssh from these ips) in a config file and leave the rest as a fixed script
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08:20<john>hello
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08:26<Trollinator>now that lenny is freezed, wouldn't it be the time to move kde4 into unstable?
08:28<erKURITA>!ntfs-3g
08:28<dpkg>hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
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08:33<erKURITA>Trollinator I doubt so
08:33<erKURITA>Chances are it'll be moved after Lenny's release
08:33<Trollinator>why only then?
08:33<abrotman>!tell Trollinator about kde4
08:34<Trollinator>abrotman: so... what?
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08:34<Trollinator>i thought that freezing Lenny meant that no more packages are moved from unstable to testing
08:34<erKURITA>that it will be moved after Lenny becomes stable
08:35<Trollinator>so why shouldn't kde4 be moved into unstable now?
08:35<abrotman>maybe they should concentrate on fixing one pile of code
08:35<abrotman>Trollinator: there have been a couple of blog posts about the state of kde4 and debian
08:36<Trollinator>abrotman: where?
08:36<abrotman>if you want kde4 .. the packages are in experimental
08:36<abrotman>ask the #debian-kde on OFTC or freenode
08:37<Trollinator>abrotman: i *did* read what the bot told me
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08:37<Trollinator>abrotman: can't you tell me the names of the people who have bloggen about debian and kde4?
08:37<abrotman>they've been on planet.debian.org .. and no i don't remember which ones .. just that i saw them
08:37<Trollinator>abrotman: thanks
08:38<abrotman>Trollinator: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2008/08/msg00027.html .. besides mailing lists
08:39<Trollinator>abrotman: thanks.
08:39<abrotman>which only echoes what we already said
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08:40<Trollinator>well, it's not a very satisfying answer.
08:40<abrotman>satisfying for you? or the users of lenny? :)
08:40<abrotman>i'd personally rather they concentrate on stabilizing the kde packages currently in lenny
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08:41<Trollinator>the thing is that i don't understand why they can't move the existing KDE4 packages from experimental to unstable, given that no more packages will be transferred from sid to lenny anyway.
08:41<abrotman>maybe they choose not ot ?
08:41<abrotman>not to
08:42<Trollinator>well, they obviously did.
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08:42<Trollinator>i just can't think of a reason
08:42<abrotman>uhm .. unwanted distraction?
08:43<Trollinator>by copying a few files?
08:43<Trollinator>ah, i guess this discussion won't change it anyway.
08:43<Trollinator>so thanks, and good bye.
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08:46<erKURITA>actually
08:46<erKURITA>I believe that's the way the Debian development is carried on
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09:23<Sefko>hahorz :>
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09:50<dmseg>hello, guys
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09:52<dmseg>!seen padski
09:52<dpkg>padski <~paddy@5ac60cbf.bb.sky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20h 50m 13s ago, saying: 'r2r, that does ring a bell, yes.'.
09:53<dmseg>this channel looks dead anyone here?
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09:53<sintiamota>oi
09:53<dmseg>heh hi how can i haelp you
09:53<cahoot>only zombies
09:53<sintiamota>tudo bom?
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09:54<cahoot>!pt
09:54<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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09:54<gessicalopes>OI
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09:54<gessicalopes>BJAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
09:55<gessicalopes>OLKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
09:55<dmseg>gessicalopes: nothing sense less please
09:55<gessicalopes>
09:55<cesar>ola
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09:57<dmseg>weasel: may i please request your attention in #oftc ?
09:57<@weasel>you already parted that channel
09:57<dmseg>ive joined
09:57<@weasel>which just shows that you're a man of patience
09:58<dmseg>thankyou
09:58<dmseg>so may i ping you in #oftc ?
09:58<@weasel>why don't you ask in #oftc?
09:58<abrotman>why not ask him there?
09:58<@weasel>some people..
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09:59<abrotman>oh .. i was going to ask weasel on seul if i could talk to him on #debian .. but he's not there
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09:59<@weasel>abrotman: I'm still on that network tho
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09:59<abrotman>just not the main channel . i know
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10:12<Woet>bash: free: command not found
10:12<Woet>shark:/home# uptime
10:12<Woet>bash: uptime: command not found
10:12<Woet>shark:/home# apt-get
10:12<Woet>bash: apt-get: command not found
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10:12<Woet>how the hell can that happen?
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10:13<cogwheel>Woet, echo $PATH
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10:13<Woet>my entire /usr/ directory is gone :+
10:14<cogwheel>you mean, gone out of PATH or gone physically?
10:14<Woet>physically
10:14<cogwheel>whoa.
10:14<weasel>is it just not mounted?
10:14<cahoot>virtually
10:14<cogwheel>that's... not good.
10:14<Woet>okay.. it got moved
10:14<Woet>into 'var'
10:14<Woet>for some reason
10:14<Woet>its back again :+
10:14<cogwheel>and where's /var now? in /sys? :)
10:14<Woet>still where it's supposed to be
10:14<client>i got a newer version of libqt3-mt (3.3.8b-5) and now i cna't get rid of it everything i do i get error about unmet dependencies.... how can i get past this?
10:15<cogwheel>uh the last time i recalled it two directories can't have the same name
10:16<Woet>is it possible to look at how big a folder is?
10:16<dondelelcaro>Woet: du
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10:34<ida01>I want to install uvc-video from berlioz (the webcam drivers) however they have it as subversion - how do I install that ?
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10:34<cahoot>you mean how to compile?
10:35<cahoot>how to download is explicit on the site
10:36<cahoot>ida01: of you've got the src just cd to the top level srcdir run make
10:36<cahoot>you will need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
10:37<cahoot>OTOH I think module-assistant does it all for you
10:39<ida01>cahoot: the man! I am still working on that charity stuff -
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10:49<Maulkin>!apt-key EA8E8B2116BA136C
10:49<dpkg>gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys EA8E8B2116BA136C ; gpg --export EA8E8B2116BA136C | sudo apt-key add -
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11:04<bighornram>How do I install debugging symbols for glib, gtk+, libgnome, libgnomeui?
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11:08<ezguy>hi, what command/prog can i use to change the lcd resolution?
11:09<pumpkin0>ezguy: xrandr
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11:13<gcs>Hi.
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11:14<ezguy>pumkin0, i just installed xrandr. what can i do to change the display to 1024x600?
11:14<gcs>Anyone can recommend me a web (Apache2, PHP5) gallery software, which can assign labels to the pictures_
11:14<gcs>To the pictures?
11:14<cahoot>ezguy: tried xrandr -q ?
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11:15<ida01>ezguy: what vga card do you have ?
11:15<ida01>do you use gnome or kde ?
11:16<ida01>gnome - you can try SYSTEM - Prefferences - screen resolution (thats on the top menu of gnome)
11:16<momaf>hello people, i have a question. when i surf the web, i often get an "unable to resolve address" error (by konqueror and firefox), even when i'm entering an address that was used some minutes ago! how can i find out whether there are any dns cache malfunctions? maybe installing bind could fix the problem?
11:16<ezguy>xrandr -q seem to show support for 1024x600
11:17<ezguy>not sure what vga type but i a eeepc 901
11:17<cahoot>ezguy: try xrandr -s 1024x600?
11:17<ezguy>ok, now i to restart x, brb
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11:17<cahoot>huh?
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11:20<ezguy>i don't think xrandr -s 1024x600 work
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11:20<cahoot>what happened?
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11:21<ezguy>the resolution hasn't change, how can i tell what is the current resolution?
11:21<cahoot>xrandr -q marsk it with * IIRC
11:21<cahoot>marks
11:22<ezguy>xrandr -q show current 1024 x 600
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11:23<ezguy>how can i change the window apps font size? it looks too big
11:24<momaf>though i often access, for instance, en.wikipedia.org, firefox often fails to resolve its address. but when i hit reload, it works! how could i fix this problem?
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11:24<cahoot>ezguy: dpi got wrong?
11:25<ezguy>? don't know
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11:25<abrotman>momaf: how many DNS servers do you have?
11:25<cahoot>ezguy: gnome or any dm?
11:25<ezguy>fluxbox
11:26<cahoot>ezguy: might help to declare DisplaySize in xorg.conf
11:26<ezguy>how
11:26<cahoot>man xorg.conf
11:26<momaf>abrotman: just one, my router
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11:26<abrotman>and how many does it have?
11:26<abrotman>tried resetting the router?
11:27<ezguy>ok
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11:27<bighornram>I've been asked to install debugging packages to help trace a crash. I've been successful with some but can't locate libgnome dbg
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11:27<momaf>abrotman: i guess the router uses my isp's nameservers...
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11:29<abrotman>i'd guess too .. doesn't mean they're all there
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11:29<momaf>abrotman: could it help if i installed a bind server in my box, so that i have a local dns cache?
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11:29<abrotman>i'd try resetting the router/modem first
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11:30<momaf>abrotman: do these routers usually have a dns cache?
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11:31<abrotman>no idea
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11:33<momaf>abrotman: what about a default debian installation? doesn't it keep a local dns cache? or is every new tcp connection preceded by a dns request?
11:33<abrotman>i'd imagine it caches also
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11:43<momaf>hmm, if i duplicate the nameserver line in /etc/resolv.conf, does that mean that my machine will retry looking up an address when the first lookup fails?
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12:04<Shinnlx>hi
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12:11<[gloom]>hi there
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12:14<[gloom]>does anyone know why in the sid repos is not available the 0.8.6i version of vlc player yet? I still have the 0.8.6h which contains the wav demuxer security hole, and I can't find in the repo the new version...
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12:17<drakemobius>afternoon, #Debian! I (predictably) have a problem.
12:18<drakemobius>my new GeForce9800GX2 goes black when using nvidia driver
12:18<drakemobius>google search resulted in other people having the issue but nobody ever getting it resolved
12:20<drakemobius>can...anyone help me troubleshoot? sound familiar to anyone?
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12:22<abrotman>drakemobius: there is a #nvidia on freenode
12:22<drakemobius>thanks abrotman, i was just looking that up
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12:26<momaf>[gloom]: you can check out the development information [http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vlc.html], there is a link at the right side of the package's webpage :)
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12:31<[gloom]>momaf: OK, so I understand is not yet packaged because the lintia warning about the debian policy, right? I didn'r see the link...
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12:34<Shinnlx>can someone help me with a mysql problem? I am asking at mysql channel for 30 mins now
12:34<Shinnlx>still ignored
12:35<Shinnlx>on my mysql browser that's running on debian I am unable to use the CTRL+F function, even I type something that exsists it still says "no mathes found"
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12:35<Shinnlx>can someone be kind enough to tell me what to do? please
12:35<stuckey>What is it that you need help with?
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12:38<momaf>Shinnlx: sounds like the browser has a bug :D
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12:41<Shinnlx>hmm
12:41<Shinnlx>what should I do?
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12:43<momaf>Shinnlx: no idea, just guessing :) but you could try using a different version of the browser, or reset its configuration...
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12:43<momaf>(note that i don't have any experience with mysql)
12:44<Shinnlx>is there a way for me to downgrade or upgrade without losing my data?
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13:58<pundit>if i insert a cd it does not mount automatically, i have to mount manually. thats especially a pain when using apt-get. how can i reactivate auto-mounting of cdroms?
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14:02<Hideo>holy shit I hate the new bookmarking/recent system on firefox/iceweasel 3 so much
14:03<h2-gw>hiceo, not to mention the horrible and space eating history drop downs for urls
14:04<h2-gw>is there an about:config to switch that back to the old style?
14:04<Hideo>h2-gw: i thought I saw somewhere that those could be turned off but I maybe wrong
14:04<gmg>THERE ARE more browsers to prove
14:04<gmg>??
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14:04<gmg>no
14:04<h2-gw>Hideo, I do a script that has as one of its many functions quick resets to sane defaults of mozilla stuff
14:05<Hideo>h2-gw: what I hate is it writes/updates some bookmark files whenever I visit a site, so it spins up the hdd on my laptop alot
14:05<h2-gw>if there's a config it's easy for me to add
14:05<h2-gw>really?
14:05<Hideo>h2-gw: that means using a lot more power than it should have
14:05<h2-gw>oh, that's baad
14:05<h2-gw>yes, the firefox devs have very little clue about how to do good programming
14:05<h2-gw>imo
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14:05<h2-gw>they had a memory leak for year or more that they kept denying existed
14:05<h2-gw>even though everyone could see it
14:06<h2-gw>ff ate up all the ram
14:06<Hideo>h2-gw: even for sites that aren't on the bookmarks, I don't know why they have to keep track of every site I visit
14:06<h2-gw>if you didn't turn off certain bad defaults
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14:06<Hideo>I don't see where to disable whatever that feature is
14:06<h2-gw>Hideo, for the history thing
14:06<Hideo>it's not a history thing, I checked
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14:06<Woet>h2-gw: what browser do you recommend then?
14:06<Hideo>it's some sql file in ~/.mozilla/
14:06<h2-gw>that's one of their big 'improvements', and the first version was even worse, it would force a file system reset for your entire filesystem every few seconds
14:07<h2-gw>Woet, they all have flaws
14:07<Woet>if FF3 is that bad, what browser are you using?
14:07<h2-gw>in general I like ff/iw, but I really dislike how the deveopers handle free desktops
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14:07<h2-gw>it took them almot 5 years to return a sane mimetype option handler, which thank god they finally have in crude form in iw/ff 3
14:08<h2-gw>but it's still crap compared to konqueror's
14:08<h2-gw>you have to manually set the path for the helper app each time, rather than just selecting from a list
14:08<h2-gw>although that is now much better in ff/iw than it was
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14:09<h2-gw>as soon as konqueror gets the applewebkit rendering engine in it, I think it will be the way to go, but firefox extensions are really good
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14:09<h2-gw>so I'm stuck with iw/ff because of the good work of all those extension authors, sigh...
14:09<Hideo>h2-gw: I believe it updates for the most recent and most visit crap in the bookmarks
14:09<Hideo>on every fucking sites
14:09<h2-gw>yes, there was a lot of talk about that crap
14:10<h2-gw>and the version in debian, thank god, was somewhat fixed, because the devs grudgingly accepted that full file system syncs every x seconds maybe isn't acceptable
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14:10<h2-gw>I do not envy the debian ff-> iw maintainer at all
14:11<h2-gw>that guy is a hero, but what a horrible task
14:11<Hideo>have you seen the bug lists for iceweasel?
14:11<Hideo>jeez...
14:11<h2-gw>I don't want to, is it bad?
14:11<Hideo>it's looong
14:11<h2-gw>it's such a total resource hog
14:11<h2-gw>that's totally consistent with mozilla.corp development
14:11<h2-gw>their free desktop support is crap
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14:11<h2-gw>when I use windows firefox, it's so much better, in almost every way
14:12<h2-gw>to understand the problems at mozilla corp, check out interviews with the head of mozilla, she's totally clueless
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14:12<Hideo>how's that? they should be the same shouldn't they? firefox is firefox no matter what OS?
14:12<h2-gw>no, firefox is primarily built for windows
14:13<kannon>hello
14:13<kannon>any body use xen?
14:13<h2-gw>it works very well in windows, because default windows apis work well, ie, the way it integrates to the system, file selector, mimetype selector, print selector
14:13<h2-gw>it used to be largely unusable on osx too, for example
14:13<h2-gw>because of memory leaks
14:14<h2-gw>if I remember right, mozilla largely gave up on their one code for all platform ideal years ago
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14:15<h2-gw>anyway, if anyone learns some good about:config tweaks for ff/iw 3, let me know
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14:15<Hideo>for what it's worth ff2/iceweasel 2 was usable to me, in spite of the memory bloat
14:15<h2-gw>yes
14:15<h2-gw>you could turn off some switches and fix the memory issues too
14:15<h2-gw>in prefs.js
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14:15<Hideo>ff3/iw3 has this smart bookmark shits that's annoying the hell outa me
14:16<h2-gw>our resident firefox expert is incommunicado at the moment, but he's usually up on all tweaks
14:16<h2-gw>craigevil
14:16<h2-gw>if you see him around, he's quite up on this stuff
14:16<h2-gw>but he's been gone
14:16<Hideo>in here? I haven't notice him in here yet
14:16<h2-gw>he drifts in and out
14:16<h2-gw>has been out of touch because of real life issues for a month or more
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14:23<Hideo>heh I'm tempted to make every files in ~/.mozilla immutable, that way it won't write to hdd
14:23<Hideo>but I think it still spins up the drive though
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14:30<ezguy>what do i need to get the wireless work on eeepc 901? runnning lenny
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14:31<Hideo>ezguy: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi?highlight=(eeepc)
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14:32<Hideo>not sure if that applies to your model or not though
14:32<ezguy>i did but it doesn't work
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14:32<Hideo>!does not work
14:32<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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14:33<ezguy>not sure what wireless driver to load
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14:33<Hideo>probably madwifi
14:34<ezguy>i got madwifi modules install
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14:34<Hideo>then modprobe ath_pci or whatever
14:34<ezguy>i'll
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14:34<[gloom]>ezguy: The wireless controller is a RaLink 0781, see http://scraping.icebo.org/index.php/2008/02/29/kubuntu-on-medion-akoya-md-96630/ for info about how to set it up. After doing so the device name will be ra0, so a lot of scripts in eeepc-acpi-scripts (which uses ath0) needs to be changed.
14:35<[gloom]>ezguy: excerpt from: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install
14:35<Hideo>oh it's not madwifi on the 901 model?
14:35<[gloom]>ezguy: here, a tutorial for ubuntu. Most of the times, you can use almost the same things: http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/index.php5?title=EeePC_901
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14:45<abrotman>!eeepc
14:45<dpkg>from memory, eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/
14:45<abrotman>bah .. he left
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14:46<[gloom]>ezguy: you're welcome :DDD
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14:50<[gloom]>see u ater
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14:56<mr-cannabis>irc://irc.elemental-irc.net/
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14:58<josilmathai>can anybody help me to install google earth in debian
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14:59<cahoot>IIRC at least lenny has it as an option
14:59<cahoot>lenny has it as an option
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15:03<Maulkin>Does it?
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15:08<mihkel>well there is googleearth-package, but I've never used it
15:08<mihkel>in lenny
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15:11<aynjrz>Some instructions here: http://earth.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=44713&cbid=37erxxncih5s&src=cb&lev=topic
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15:39<Hideo>I wouldn't recommend google earth 4.3, there's a bug or something where it won't display any text but a blank caption on the map
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15:43<dutchy>Google Earth4.3.7284.3916 (beta) works fine on lenny here.
15:45<Hideo>it's still there for me, here's a post about it: http://groups.google.com/group/earth-free/msg/9de39700c2e69651
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15:46<Hideo>btw that post is old but it still applies the latest 4.3
15:46<Hideo>^*for
15:46<dutchy>well, that's what one gets with proprietary stuff, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Not much debian can do about it.
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15:47<Hideo>yeah, wasn't complaining to Debian, just put it out there so the guy who wanted to install it would know to look out for
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15:48<dutchy>nothing wrong with giving advice
15:49<Hideo>gah, but the guy left already
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15:50<dutchy>lol
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16:19<VITAL_28_Brazil>How install codes of windowsmediaplayer10 in icewasel?
16:20<VITAL_28_Brazil>codecs
16:20<mihkel>w32codecs
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16:21<streuner_>!+tell VITAL_28_Brazil -about multiple ask
16:21<dpkg>told VITAL_28_Brazil about multiple ask.
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16:24<hatstand>is anyone successfully using rt61 or rt61pci in lenny?
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16:29<hatstand>just bought an edimax card based on rt61 that swears blind it can be run on debian, but i've attempted to install it on two leny boxes and no luck. rt61 module installs fine but every wireless tool i use insists that the network is down
16:29<hatstand>lenny, rather
16:29<xid>!rt61
16:29<dpkg>The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/IS_Linux_STA_6x_D_1.1.1.0.tar.gz, enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz. Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip. Also ask me about <rt2x00>.
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16:31<hatstand>ah, well i'm using the enhanced legacy driver but didn't do anything about firmware
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16:32<qq>!firmware
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16:37<hatstand>sorry, where am i supposed to put the firmware?
16:37<hatstand>can't see any docs
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16:38<abrotman>/usr/lib/firmware/ most likely
16:39<hatstand>cheers
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16:47<VITAL_28_Brazil>How to install codecs of windowsmediaplayer in Icewasel?
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16:50<vook>VITAL_28_Brazil: what file types are you attempting to play? Totem is the Debian default, but you can change that if you wish. Google 'firefox codec wmv' or whatever.
16:50<hatstand>hm, apparently the firmware is already there
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16:54<hatstand>but, replacing it with the firmware from ralink's site makes it work perfectly
16:54<hatstand>so thanks!
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17:08<daeron>yo
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17:09<daeron>i have a little question about debian installation
17:10<sejje>!ask
17:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
17:11<daeron>well, i can't install Debian on IBM thinkpad T41 because i get an "boot error" message
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17:12<daeron>when I'm installing it from CD there's even no message
17:12<daeron>it simply don't boot
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17:13<daeron>both CD and USB disc are working on other computers
17:13<daeron>any idea why's that?
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17:16<Lethalman>they work means they boot?
17:16<daeron>yeah
17:17<daeron>i googled about issues with booting on thinkpad T41 but there was nothing
17:19<daeron>installation cd of winXP works just fine but God, i don't want to install it again
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17:21<daeron>^.^
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17:25<vook>daeron: have you gone into the bios to be certain that the cd-rom is set to boot prior to the HD? Also, on the T41, I think there is a boot menu key you can hit at boot. It goes by quickly though.
17:25<vook>when in doubt, just pound ESC, F1, F2, F10, and F12 (maybe END too) at boot.
17:26<vook>ooo, or DEL
17:26<abrotman>hopefully it's not ctrl-shift-ins
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17:31<mevaum>aew
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17:38<MotoHoss>i added a user with this command "adduser --system --home /home/foo --shell /bin/false --uid 1222 --disabled-password --disabled-login foo" and it did not create the corresponding group.. how do i fix that? without accidently removing the files already in use by foo...?
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17:42<qq>forget "[--group | --ingroup GROUP | --gid ID] " ?
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17:44<qq>MotoHoss: about^* ^^^
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17:51<MotoHoss>qq: yep i did forget it.
17:53<MotoHoss>my guess is to use usermod after groupadd ?
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17:54<qq>i think that doesn't mother
17:55<qq>i mean the order of options
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17:59<striker>was dc... again please
17:59<Lethalman>MotoHoss, create the group then gpasswd -a user group
17:59<striker>waht to change? locale?
17:59<striker>how?
17:59<abrotman>dpkg-reconfigure locales
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18:01<striker>doesnt work
18:01<abrotman>you have tologout/login
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18:02<striker>works but what to do next?
18:02<striker>i dont understand what i got
18:03<MotoHoss>qq Lethalman : groupadd --gid 1222 and then usermod worked properly. thanks. it's been way too long since i messed with addin/removing users.
18:04<striker>help??
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18:04<abrotman>striker: no msg
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18:49<Webmind-org>Finnaly, Compiz is workin....... fun !
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18:57<eljefe>I am using AVIdemux and my CPU temp is nearing 67C, is this bad? 'sensors' is saying Alarm
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19:02<qq> 67 C, is high , but still in norms
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19:04<qq>keep an eye on ;)
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19:09<Webmind-org><eljefe> Put your vacuumcleaner trough your PC.
19:09<eljefe>interesting
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19:13<qq>Webmind-org: use tab taste as completion of name , enter 2-3 first letters , than >tab<
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19:14<Webmind-org>qq right on......... thnx
19:14<qq>np
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20:48<admn>im having trouble installing a new wifi driver
20:48<admn>i belive its someting to do with my kernel headers not being set up right but im not sure how to fix it
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20:57<[gloom]>hi
20:59<[gloom]>I have a little problem with my laptop. The behaviour is the same as when an IDE hdd does not have the DMA activated: With high hdd load, the system becomes almost frozen until the hdd action ends. BUT it is a sata drive, so theoretically no dma activation(hdparm)needed, and I'm using the lastest kernel, with libata driver, and the modules are loaded... I don't know what else ca I check.
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21:07<admn>this channel is dead
21:07<admn>strange cause usually its really helpful
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21:10<[gloom]>yep, it seems dead. I got another question... How necessary is famd? Can I safely disable it?
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21:12<Webmind-org>On FreeNode are many people helping.
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21:12<Nemoder>[gloom]: aptitude remove fam if it asks to uninstall apps you want then yes you need it
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21:13<[gloom]>Nemoder: hehe, ok. Anyway, I have disabled the famd service, and now the first problem has disappeared.
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21:15<[gloom]>which Freenode channel?
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21:22<wolf_>What would be the best way to unmount a webcam so that I can use it in VirtualBox?
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21:24<Andy_J>debian box is suddenly not able to connect to the network, can anyone assist with troubleshooting?
21:24<dpalacio>wolf_:can you use another usb device inside the virtual machine? Do you have the nonfree Virtualbox?
21:25<wolf_>dpalacio, I have the nonfree oen downloaded from their website, the only usb device that seems to be working inside would be the mouse, however my mbox and my webcam are not detected ( but are detected in ubuntu)
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21:26<dpalacio>wolf_: Check VirtualBox's help. Troubleshooting section.
21:26<Andy_J>Cables checked, ports checked, all other boxes on network working correctly.
21:26<Andy_J>(including this one of course)
21:27<dpalacio>wolf_:«USB not working»
21:27<wolf_>dpalacio, I did, and they got me to the point of getting the usb section to work without any errors, I am at that point. However the USB devices are still not detected, I am thinking maybe i need to unmount the usb devices
21:27<Andy_J>appears to stall at DHCP
21:28<Andy_J>related to recent DNS bugfixes?
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21:30<dpalacio>wolf_: did you do that? -> http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usbvp5.jpg
21:31<Andy_J>Seems to be ignoring DHCP and forcing self to ip 169.254.213.177
21:31<wolf_>dpalacio, yep yep
21:31<Andy_J>(meaningless ip address)
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21:33<dpalacio>wolf_:you could try to remove the videocam drivers if you installed them (modprobe -r module)
21:34<wolf_>dpalacio, that would not be a good solution, then I would only have functionality of the webcam within VM
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21:36<dpalacio>wolf_: yes, when you finish with the VM, you reload it
21:37<wolf_>dpalacio, can you not unmount and remount usb devices quickly within ubuntu?
21:37<enouf>Andy_J: that's an mDNS addy given out by avahi-daemon or zeroconf
21:38<Andy_J>enouf: I'm trying to force the IP address that the router/gateway is expecting, any suggestions why this box is suddenly unable to connect?
21:38<enouf>Andy_J: killall avahi-daemon ; man avahi-daemon ; /msg dpkg interfaces ; /msg dpkg rcconf (to stop it loading from boot)
21:39<enouf>Andy_J: what happens is, it'll usually fallback to a 169.254.x.x address when a valid IP can't be had
21:39<enouf>!tell Andy_J about zeroconf
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21:41<dpalacio>wolf_: I do not know Ubuntu. And what do you mean by quickly? An easy-to-use assistant?
21:42<wolf_>dpalacio, not necessarily, it seems that there would be an a command similar to mount/unmount for usb
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21:42<enouf>!usbmount
21:42<dpkg>rumour has it, usb mount is script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html, or apt-get install usbmount, or does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>.
21:43<enouf>!automount
21:43<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
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21:43<wolf_>unfortunately that only seems to be related to usb storage devices
21:43<wolf_>which is all I can find on google as well
21:44<Andy_J>Can anyone assist with DHCP? debian box is refusing to negotiate address from the router, all other boxen unaffected
21:45<Andy_J>manually setting ip address, subnet etc. not overcoming problem.
21:45<dpalacio>wolf_: it is not that you "unmount" the usb device, what is important for VB is that it is not being used
21:45<Andy_J>Has a recent change to debian DHCP been causing problems?
21:45<wolf_>dpalacio, hmm thats interesting, it should be being used
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21:51<Andy_J>Why would DHCP discover suddenly fail? Using ifup -a I can see that debian THINKS it's doing DHCP discovery, but is not actually sending anything via the eth1 interface
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21:52<grise23>todo es en ingles
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22:01<gnuler>identify gnuler}
22:01<gnuler>identify
22:01<gnuler>help identify
22:03<Andy_J>Any network types about today? debian box is refusing to play. All other boxes on network behaving as normal. Anyone able to assist with network troubleshooting?
22:04<qq>gnuler: use /identify
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22:04<enouf>Andy_J: how about checking logs
22:04<Andy_J>enouf: sure, which ones?
22:04<enouf>remove any stale entries in find /var -name '*dhcp*' ?
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22:05<enouf>Andy_J: in /var/log/ messages, dmesg, dhcp* etc
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22:05<enouf>syslog*
22:05<enouf>Andy_J: try a /etc/init.d/networking restart - watch the logs
22:06<naudiz>does the iwl3945 driver work with wpa_supplicant ? The man page for wpa_supplicant mentions the ipw4945 driver which is older
22:06<naudiz>oops
22:06<naudiz>ipw3945 driver which is older rather
22:06<enouf>!wpasupplicant
22:06<dpkg>methinks wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
22:07<enouf>that might not answer your specific question, but
22:07<enouf>!iwlwifi
22:07<enouf>er
22:07<enouf>!iwl3945
22:07<Andy_J>enouf: massive list of fails in syslog
22:07<enouf>Andy_J: well, that's a start
22:07<enouf>!listvals iwl
22:07<dpkg>Factoid search of 'iwl' by value (11): ipw4965 ;; iwlwifi etch ;; iwl4965 ;; killswitch ;; iwlwifi ;; ipw4965 firmware ;; iwl3945 ;; iwlwifi firmware ;; iwl4965 firmware ;; etchnhalf facts ;; ipw3945.
22:08<Andy_J>localhost NetworkManager
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22:08<enouf>hrm, it's listed there, lmao
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22:08<enouf>!literal iwl3945
22:08<dpkg>"iwl3945" is "<reply> see iwlwifi"
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22:09<enouf>!literal iwlwifi
22:09<dpkg>"iwlwifi" is "the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net"
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22:14<enouf>dondelelcaro: hi, i think i've just made the broken symlinking between iwlwifi and iwl3945 factoids either worse, or just broken differently, apologies - i was trying to fix them, since !iwl3945 was not returning any info
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22:14<Andy_J>enouf: I'm tailing syslog and doing a networking restart
22:14<enouf>oh crap - it's debconf2008 time now too ;-)
22:14<enouf>Andy_J: cool
22:15<enouf>Andy_J: tail -f /var/log/messages or use dmsg | tail on occassion maybe as well
22:15<Andy_J>enouf: What I see is no IPv6 routers found, but I can't see any traffic on the network
22:15<enouf>Andy_J: does ls /sys/class/net show your intended iface ?
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22:15<enouf>that ipv6 message is usually ignorable
22:16<Andy_J>enouf: yes eth0 1 2 lo sit0
22:17<enouf>Andy_J: did you stop avahi-daemon and such - also check any errant entries in /etc/resolv.conf ; /etc/hosts{.allow,.deny} ; /etc/nsswitch.conf even?
22:17<Andy_J>enouf: debian can tell if either eth1 or eth2 are connected, but does not seem to be sending any packets
22:17<enouf>Andy_J: and does the udev z25 file match the MAC with the output of ifconfig -a ?
22:18<enouf>!z25
22:18<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
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22:18<Andy_J>resolve.conf is empty
22:18<enouf>Andy_J: i'm pretty bad with diagnosing network issues - but .. oh? hahah
22:18<enouf>Andy_J: resolv.conf
22:18<enouf>drop the e
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22:19<Andy_J>My mistake in IRC typing only, resolv.conf only has the comment line, nothing else
22:19<gsimmons>enouf: I've amended the relevant factoids to encourage their display.
22:19<enouf>Andy_J: man resolv.conf, man interfaces , see those factoids i mentioned
22:19<enouf>gsimmons: thank you much ;-)
22:21<enouf>gsimmons: aha .. now i see the correct way to symlink them -> "<reply> see iwlwifi"
22:21<Andy_J>enouf: eth1 and eth2 are correctly identified (MAC) in udev rules
22:21<enouf>gsimmons: quotes quotes and more quotes ;-)
22:21<enouf>gsimmons: i wouldn't have messed with it, but it was broken already - dondelelcaro , gsimmons fixed it, thanks
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22:22<jayaund>Hi, is there a .wav file allways present in any debian system? Thay way I could
22:22<jayaund>point that from my scripts with aplay and I could be sure it will be played. ?
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22:23<enouf>sure
22:23<enouf>!alsa checklist
22:23<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
22:23<enouf>"aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav"
22:23<enouf>jayaund: you could also try speaker-test -tsine -f440
22:24<enouf>!soundcheck
22:24<dpkg>Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working.
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22:24<enouf>also do lshal | grep device_file | sort ;-)
22:24<h2>!I don't know
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22:25<Noel>HOLA A TODOS...
22:26<Noel>ALGUIEN PODRIA AYUDARME CON EL AMSN
22:26<enouf>!rs
22:26<dpkg>A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar.. things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy.
22:26<enouf>!es
22:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:26<jayaund>dpkg: I know that, but I don't want noise; I see /usr/share/sounds/alsa/* comes with
22:26<jayaund>aplay (alsa-utils)
22:26<dpkg>You are moron #1, jayaund
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22:26<enouf>jayaund: dpkg here is the channel bot
22:26<newsense>!list
22:26<dpkg>one warez list being sent to newsense
22:27<newsense>lol
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22:27<enouf>jayaund: ls -al /usr/share/sounds/alsa/
22:27<enouf>pick one
22:28<enouf>jayaund: here ~$ ls -l /usr/share/sounds/ | grep .wav
22:28<enouf>eww.. mostly KDE and k3b related, besides pop.wav, haha
22:29<enouf>hahahaha @ pop.wav
22:29<enouf>gotta loop that one - just like this one ( http://www.speedyshare.com/460177735.html ) - maybe make it a Ringtone also ;-)
22:30<enouf>!congratulate amphi
22:30<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies amphi, you did it!
22:30<jayaund>speaker-test comes with alsa-utils, thanks enouf.
22:30<enouf>jayaund: welcome
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22:32<enouf>add -c 2 for 2 channels ;-)
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23:05<keith>Etch4.0. AMD 64: How do I get back my 'Applications(Gnome Foot)' on my desktop panel?
23:07<olh>add as a new widget to the panel ;)
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23:14<keith>How do I do that?
23:15<goshawk>right click on the pannel
23:15<goshawk>add to the panel...
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23:17<miksuh>I'll say this here too
23:17<keith>That gives me 'create launcher'. What is the name of the Gnome Foot?
23:17<goshawk>main menu
23:18<goshawk>something like that
23:18<goshawk>:-/
23:18<miksuh>I tried to upgrade my main computer from etch to lenny, but aptitude complains about 32 conflicting packages... And then it says that eg. xserver-xorg-video-apm and other packages like that are not installable, but they are!
23:19<miksuh>here is paste
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23:19<miksuh>http://paste.debian.net/14396/
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23:20<miksuh>aptitude says "No solution found within the allotted time" etc and then it refuses to do dist-upgrade
23:20<miksuh>I do understand that many of those packages maybe are not in lenny yet, or there is conflicts. but why it complains about those xorg-packages etc..
23:21<miksuh>in paste comments you can see my sources.list
23:21<miksuh>so this is not any weird debian installation..
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23:24<miksuh>I even tried another debian mirror, but I got the same problem, so it has nothing to do with finnish debian mirror
23:24<miksuh>and I got the same problem on my another computer too
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23:29<goshawk>try apt-get dist-upgrade
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23:29<goshawk>miksuh
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23:48<terabyte>hey all - I am having difficulties installing debian on a new fileserver I am setting up. The mobo is an ASUS P5Q and has 8 1TB SATA drives as well as a 10GB EIDE drive and a CD-ROM drive configured on the same IDE cable (this mobo only has a primary IDE, no secondary). When I try to install (using the etch 4.0r4 amd64 netinst CD) I get the "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" error message. I did some googling to no avail, booting in expert mode and d
23:48<terabyte>...driver didn't help. Any suggestions?
23:51<qq>put a common CD-ROM drive ?
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23:52<newsense>terabyte: sure ya already set jumpers on ide drive and cdrom master hdd and slave cdrom
23:52<terabyte>I have installed debian before using this same drive, so I'm not sure why it's not being detected.
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23:52<terabyte>I considered that the jumpers might be wrong - I know they are right on the CD-ROM but I'm not positive about the hard drive. I still get the error message when I unplug the hard drive though.
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23:53<newsense>make sure hdd goes to end of ide cable and cdrom to middle connector
23:53<newsense>slave on cdrom master bon hdd for jumper setting
23:54<terabyte>hmm, I thought that only mattered for cable select, but I'll try that.
23:54<terabyte>thanks =)
23:54<newsense>never tried cable select but sure it must work
23:55<qq>it's depend of BIOS
23:55<newsense>make sure ide is enabled in bios too
23:55<newsense>if it works send me one of them 8 tb drives ya got hahaha
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23:58<qq>newsense: 8x1 tb
23:58<qq>;)
23:58<newsense>thats what i meant sorry
23:58<qq>one for each
23:58<qq>...
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