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---Logopened Sun Aug 10 00:00:02 2008
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00:01<newsense>man with all my knowledge of correct jumper and cable settings think id more than 160g ide drive haha
00:02<qq>160g ? maybe 160 TB
00:03<newsense>i wish
00:03<newsense>im poor 160g
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00:03<qq>ah , you too !
00:03<terabyte>8x1TB drives does me no good if I can't get it installed =(
00:04<qq>terabyte: make sure bios show master hdd and slave cdrom,
00:04<newsense>you check everything i mentioned ?
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00:06<piper>if it were me, i would take the ide out and try again
00:07<qq>piper: aha ...;)
00:07<piper>hi qq ;
00:07<terabyte>yeh, I'm booting one last time now with the HD removed, and the cd-rom set to master and alone on the cable
00:08<terabyte>maybe the cd-rom died - I did rescue it from an "old and busted machine"
00:08<terabyte>maybe I can dig up another one from my graveyard...
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00:09<terabyte>yeh, it's totally not seeing it. I'm gonna try a diff. drive
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00:26<terabyte>well crap. I've tried two different CD-ROM drives, two different cables, alone on the cable set to master, with and without the workaround described here (http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/18/90775.html) and it's still not seeing the CD-ROM - but hte bios is able to boot off it...
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00:39<keidori>hello
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00:40<keidori>got a question
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00:49<terabyte>keidori - just ask, don't ask to ask.
00:50<keidori>ive got a radeon 2100 igp and there is no driver on ati's site is threre any aio
00:50<keidori>or any workarounds
00:53<terabyte>depends on what you are trying to do - any ATI video card will work fine with the vesa driver for showing console and basic X stuff. You only need a specific driver if you need to do 3D stuff.
00:53<terabyte>or if you need to do dual monitor stuff
00:54<keidori>id like some compiz and and id like to run steam for cs
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00:55<terabyte>oh, then yeh, you'll want drivers =)
00:55<keidori>lol
00:55<terabyte>I'm pretty sure there is a generic ATI driver (a proprietary binary one) which works on all radeon cards
00:55<terabyte>it should be somewhere on ATI's site.
00:55<keidori>think so
00:56<terabyte>are you running stable, testing, or unstable?
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01:00<terabyte>keidori - this page is out of date, but might help you identify the correct packages to install (I think they are part of non-free now, and you shouldn't have to DL them manually anymore): http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html
01:00<terabyte>also see: apt-cache search fglrx
01:01<keidori>i think its stable
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01:02<keidori>yea i checked out that site but i points you to ati's web site
01:05<terabyte>you don't need to use ATI's site though, unless you need the absolute newest driver
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01:05<terabyte>the package you want is "fglrx-driver" I think
01:06<terabyte>but you should be able to google up a walkthrough to help you out with details.
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01:06<terabyte>you must add "non-free" to the file /etc/apt/sources.list
01:06<keidori>ok thanks for your help
01:06<terabyte>no prob
01:08<keidori>any good links for installing flash for iceweasel
01:08<h2-gw>apt-get or aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
01:08<h2-gw>that's it
01:08<h2-gw>you need nonfree sources enabled
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01:12<h2-gw>it looks like fglrx-driver is failing with 2.6.26-1 in sid
01:12<h2-gw>by the way
01:12<keidori>arg
01:12<h2-gw>missing the 2.6.26 I assume
01:12<keidori>thanks for the help
01:12<h2-gw>just got my first bug report
01:13<h2-gw>was working fine in 2.6.25-2 I think
01:13<h2-gw>missing the 2.6.26 patch, I mean
01:14<keidori>how can i check to see what vr im running
01:14<h2-gw>you installed it, no?
01:14<h2-gw>check your sources, /etc/apt/sources.list
01:14<terabyte>specifically, you can see your kernel version with uname -a
01:15<terabyte>and the sources.list tells you unstable, testing, or stable.
01:15<h2-gw>and if you are in sid, and have 2.6.25, do not upgrade it if you want fglrx
01:16<keidori>i was just a little bit tipsy when i did the install so yea, i dont
01:17<keidori>lol
01:17<keidori>btw how would i update the package list?
01:18<h2-gw>have you used debian before?
01:18<h2-gw>is this your first time?
01:18<keidori>lol can you tell
01:18<keidori>yea, it is my 1st time
01:18<h2-gw>well, you couldn't ask that question if you had
01:19<h2-gw>it's useful to read up a bit, on apt, aptitude, apt-get
01:20<h2-gw>know what you are using
01:20<h2-gw>etc
01:20<h2-gw>assuming aptitude, aptitude update
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01:24<keidori>i tryed "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" and it said it could not start source package
01:25<terabyte>keidori - whichever you choose to use, apt or aptitude, you will learn to love it, and never settle for a non-debian-based distro again =)
01:25<keidori>i do love it
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01:25<terabyte>I have to use RHEL at work - I hate it, heh
01:25<keidori>but i still dont know what exactly to love
01:25<keidori>lol
01:25<keidori>i have a few books
01:26<keidori>this is my 2nd day using it, i forgot my username and password
01:26<keidori>passwd
01:26<keidori>just to switch my root to get into my install, that was sweet
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01:27<keidori>then i had to create an accout and all that shit
01:27<keidori>just figured out how to mount my ntfs part with ntfs 3-g
01:27<keidori>im a noob, i know :)
01:28<terabyte>hmm, I found a posting on an ubuntu forum saying the debian installer has problems sometimes if your SATA is set to "auto" instead of "enhanced" in the bios *crosses fingers*
01:28<keidori>lol
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01:29<keidori>so any ideas on this flash thing i used that command and it is telling me "Couldn't stat source package list"
01:30<keidori>on plenty of urls
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01:30<keidori>No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree
01:30<keidori>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed
01:30<h2-gw>keidori, you need to add non free to your sources
01:31<keidori>arg thought i did
01:31<keidori>brb, thanks for putting up with my noobniss
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01:32<terabyte>keidori: after you add it, make sure to run 'apt-get update' to update the index
01:33<piper>keidori: you can try gnash http://www.fsf.org/news/gnash.html or apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
01:35<keidori>how the $%#$%# do i add nonfree
01:35<keidori>it says non free on a lot of um
01:35<cahoot>non-free
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01:36<keidori>main non-free contrib
01:36<terabyte>a line from mine looks like this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
01:36<keidori>http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/
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01:38<piper>keidori: as root in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d (if you have it)
01:38<keidori>you cant just add it through synap
01:39<piper>keidori: i don't use gui's
01:39<piper>no clue
01:39<keidori>lol
01:40<piper>gui's are to hard
01:40<keidori>lol
01:40<keidori>your funny as hell
01:40<piper>ok ;)
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01:40<keidori>so i can edit the sources.list with the vi command
01:41<piper>sure, or nano, kedit, etc .....
01:41<keidori>and this is what im adding
01:41<keidori>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
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01:42<piper>keidori: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
01:42<netstar>hy
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01:43<piper>keidori: then do apt-get update
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01:45<keidori>http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
01:46<piper>keidori: try this apt-get update -o Acquire::Pdiffs=false
01:46<keidori>this is what i get
01:46<keidori>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
01:46<keidori>E: Error occurred while processing qt3-dev-tools (NewVersion1)
01:46<keidori>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-amd64_Packages
01:46<keidori>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
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01:47<piper>don't flood
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01:47<keidori>got kicked sry
01:48<piper>lol, don't flood ;)
01:48<keidori>yea did u see that?
01:48<keidori>when i tryed the 2nd command thats what it spit back out
01:51<piper>keidori: that is all one command, copy & paste as this apt-get update -o Acquire::Pdiffs=false
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01:52<keidori>Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
01:52<keidori> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
01:52<Hamid_Noroozi>hello
01:52<Hamid_Noroozi>is there any body here ?
01:53<Hamid_Noroozi>hello , i need help
01:53<Hamid_Noroozi>please
01:53<h2-gw>keidori, is your partition full?
01:53<h2-gw>anyway, night
01:53<piper>keidori: you running synaptic
01:53<piper>night h2-gw ;)
01:53<gsimmons>!tell Hamid_Noroozi -about ask
01:54<Hamid_Noroozi>i need a document about remasterring
01:54<Hamid_Noroozi>i want to remaster ubuntu , and make my speacial purpose distro
01:54<Hamid_Noroozi>is there any docs?
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01:54<piper>Hamid_Noroozi: check out #ubuntu or the ubuntu forums
01:55<Hamid_Noroozi>i checked out forums , there wasn't a useful doc !
01:55<Hamid_Noroozi>something az in *.pdf
01:56<piper>Hamid_Noroozi: this is debian ;)
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01:56<Hamid_Noroozi>has no different
01:56<Hamid_Noroozi>i'm using Debian
01:56<piper>don't get me started ;)
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01:58<keidori>dont think the disk is full
01:58<keidori>and yea im running synaptic
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01:58<piper>Hamid_Noroozi: i don't consider ub debian binary compatiable ---- all i am saying on that subject
01:58<terabyte>*sigh* I give up for now. according to a ton of 3-year old posts on forums the debian installer doesn't play nice with sata + ide CD-ROM, but I can't imagine that's still the case.
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01:59<piper>terabyte: have you tried any live cds
01:59<terabyte>I downloaded knoppix but I haven't burned it yet
01:59<terabyte>the installer boots ok
01:59<terabyte>so I expect the live CDs will probably work too
01:59<terabyte>I think something is just wonky with the installer itsself.
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02:00<piper>terabyte: you can try fromiso (sidux) no need to burn, really don't want to discuss it on this channel
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02:01<trimeta>Hi. Long-time Gentoo user, looking to experiment. I've got a free 5 GB partition, and I'd like to set up Debian such that it uses the same LUKS-encrypted home partition I've got in Gentoo. What would be the best way to install?
02:02<trimeta>(also, I'm implicitly asking whether 5 GB is enough for /, assuming that I don't expect /home to be there.)
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02:03<terabyte>trimeta - 5GB is a little skimpy if you want to install a big heavy-duty x system (like KDE or Gnome) and still have plenty of wiggle room to install other apps.
02:03<trimeta>terabyte: Hmm. I do like Gnome, though I wouldn't install both.
02:03<terabyte>I have found that 20GB is "more than I could ever need" for '/', and 6-10 would be enough for most people.
02:04<cahoot>terabyte: my mnot so trimmed system uses 4.6G besdies /home - so I'd say 5 is enough
02:05<terabyte>worse case scenario you can always russle up another partition and move /var or something.
02:05<cahoot>trimeta: ^^
02:05<piper>i agree with terabyte, my bookmarks are almost 5 gigs ;)
02:06<trimeta>I mean, the partition in question is adjacent to my Gentoo partition (which is 15 GB), so if I got really into Debian I could uninstall stuff from Gentoo, shrink that, and grow Debian.
02:06<trimeta>But yea, bookmarks won't be a problem; shared home will be on a separate 30 GB partition.
02:06<piper>ST3320620AS Size 1149GB (50%used)
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02:06<terabyte>trimeta: sounds like you have options if later you decide you need more
02:06<piper>hmm wrong channel
02:06<netstar>ROESMA
02:07<trimeta>Anyway, so I've got a working Gentoo system I can install stuff from...I've been told debootstrap is a bad way to set up a system I want to use directly, but is there anything else I can do just with chrooting, without installing from a LiveCD or equivalent?
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02:14<keidori>any idea?
02:16<qq>do "rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
02:17<qq>as root,sure
02:17<piper>keidori: look at your [01:52] post
02:18<piper>Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
02:19<piper>and what process is that ?
02:19<qq>piper: he forget this ...
02:20<qq>another install , ...
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02:24<trimeta>Wait a sec, if I want to use the netinst disc after all, but want to run an Unstable system, do I need a special .iso?
02:25<cahoot>there is no sid iso
02:25<trimeta>So, grab one from Sidux?
02:26<trimeta>Or is it fairly easy to migrate an installed system?
02:26<cahoot>no install, change sources upgrade
02:26<GoinEasy9>on businesscard install you can choose from stable, lenny, unstable
02:26<trimeta>OK, if all I have to do is install from the stable .iso, modify sources, and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, that's fine.
02:27<trimeta>Hmm, that works even better. Plus it's smaller.
02:27<GoinEasy9>it's great , i use it to install lenny/testing
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02:28<GoinEasy9>but if u want sid...sidux is great too
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02:28<trimeta>Does Sidux do anything other than have a prettier installer? I've done Gentoo, I can handle non-pretty installs.
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02:29<GoinEasy9>sidux has later kernels, devs have a bunch of great routines
02:29<GoinEasy9>really fast distro
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02:30<trimeta>Once installed, does sidux differ in any significant way from Debian?
02:30<GoinEasy9>99.9% Debian
02:30<trimeta>Works for me.
02:30<piper>dvd installs in 4 minutes 33 seconds (your mileage might vary depending on computer)
02:31<trimeta>That's significantly faster than even Ubuntu, which took upwards of half an hour on this machine.
02:31<GoinEasy9>lol...there are some that brag 3 minutes installs
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02:32<piper>GoinEasy9: i do have screenshots after every build i make ;)
02:32<trimeta>I spent the past three days doing emerge -e world to fix a problem with Thunderbird, 4:33 is fast enough for me. ;-)
02:32<GoinEasy9>lol... i'm sure u do piper
02:33<cahoot>repetetive installs sounds like an underlying problem somewhere
02:34<piper>cahoot: i test every build i make from scratch
02:34<trimeta>Speaking of sidux...if you guys don't know, I understand, but apparently Sidux has both a kde-lite version and an xfce version...since I intend to install Gnome anyway, does it matter which I install from?
02:34<piper>why release a useless distro
02:34<piper>or untested
02:35<GoinEasy9>once Sid is installed it's a rolling distro, no repetetive installs
02:35<piper>trimeta: come visit us on # sidux
02:35<cahoot>trimeta: speaking of sidux is OT here
02:35<GoinEasy9>lol
02:35<trimeta>#sidux on this server, or freenode?
02:35<GoinEasy9>oftc
02:35<piper>oftc
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03:38<SmileMan>Hallo
03:38<SmileMan>spricht hier zu fällig jemand deutsch?
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03:40<mihkel>nein
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03:43<SmileMan>Okay my English is very bad, but I still hope that I can understand someone.
03:45<SmileMan>Can someone tell Meinste ?¿? what I username and password for the samba server must use if I have thsi over apt-get installed?
03:45<SmileMan>Can someone tell me. what I username and password for the samba server must use if I have thsi over apt-get installed?
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03:54<SmileMan>Has no one idea that I could help?
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04:00<twb>!debian-legal
04:00<dpkg>i guess debian-legal is http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/
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04:00<twb>They don't have an IRC channel?
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04:17<romain_>bonjour à tous
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04:43<ezguy>hi, any recommendation for a good online video chat/conference tool?
04:43<suiside>tried ekiga?
04:45<ezguy>ok
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05:05<war>Does anyone here use debmirror?
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05:07<suiside>ask for information, not people
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05:07<war>I run my own local mirror using debmirror script from Debian and everything works great, but apt-file update does not work.?
05:07<war>http://rafb.net/p/tLPhAR27.html
05:07<war>why doesnt debmirror pull down the content files
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05:08<suiside>do the files mentioned exist on the server?
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05:10<war>suiside: yeah
05:11<war>not on p34
05:11<war>but where I am mirroring from
05:11<war>ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Contents-i386.gz
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05:16<gsimmons>war: You would want to pass the --getcontents option debmirror. But see also #436026 and #451120 in the BTS for other items that debmirror currently doesn't retrieve.
05:17<war>--getcontents
05:17<war>just found on google as well
05:17<war>yeah
05:17<war>that is not in the manpage though
05:17<war>wait
05:17<war>it is, didnt search for right thign, k
05:17<war>thanks!
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06:15<Lethalman>i'm the only one that never seen compositing
06:16<Lethalman>i've an ati rs480 blacklisted in compiz
06:16<Lethalman>and i removed the blacklist but compiz goes segmentation fault :P
06:16<amphi>Lethalman: ask in #compiz-fusion on freenode perhaps
06:17<Lethalman>ok thanks
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06:52<EmleyMoor>What good software is there for recording video from a v4l device in stable?
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06:55<insert>hi
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06:56<insert>hi
06:57<insert>helloo
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06:59<P4_T3R>hi
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06:59<P4_T3R>HI
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07:01<P4_T3R>hello
07:02<EmleyMoor>I tried lavrec but it failed with an audio ring buffer error
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07:08<Ascavasaion>Hello all. How do I include Webcam chats in my MSN clients? I have Kopete which claims to, but there is nothing.
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07:08<EmleyMoor>**ERROR: [lavrec] Error reading audio: Audio task died. Reason: Error Audio ring buffer overflow
07:08<EmleyMoor>What causes that to happen?
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07:11<EmleyMoor>... alternatively, is there any other software I could use to attempt samer
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07:12<EmleyMoor>It's seemingly only recording noise anyway
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07:14<Ascavasaion>Hello all. How do I include Webcam chats in my MSN clients? I have Kopete which claims to, but there is nothing.
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07:15<cTATUK>Where might I find the 'Add-ons' dialog for Iceape?
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07:19<Nemoder>cTATUK: iceape doesn't have that same dialog iceweasel does but there is another 'extension manager' add-on that might help
07:19<cTATUK>how do i access that?
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07:21<Nemoder>I'll see if I can find it
07:23<cTATUK>hmmk
07:24<cTATUK>yeah that's strange
07:25<cTATUK>i was able to install an extension from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/
07:25<cTATUK>but i see no way to manage the extensions
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07:25<Nemoder>http://www.mozmonkey.com/extuninstaller/
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07:27<cTATUK>hm
07:27<cTATUK>was that extension created
07:27<cTATUK>some looong ass time ago, before firefox had the addons dialog?
07:27<Nemoder>I think so yes but it works with seamonkey/iceape
07:27<cTATUK>interesting though
07:28<cTATUK>curious as to it's development activity
07:28<cTATUK>last release?
07:28<Nemoder>I don't know why they didn't add the firefox one to seamonkey, perhaps they plan to at some point
07:28<cTATUK>lol 2004
07:28<cTATUK>yeah they probably will
07:28<cTATUK>my guess would be
07:28<Nemoder>seamonkey development has been very slow
07:28<Nemoder>at least compared to firefox
07:28<cTATUK>because they want to properly manage extensions related to the calader/addressbook/mail/news client too
07:29<cTATUK>yeah but that's logical
07:29<cTATUK>i mean i'm pretty sure modern firefox features will be upstreamed into seamonkey
07:29<cTATUK>heh, heh
07:29<cTATUK>and what are we to talk about 'slow development', anyway? ...
07:29<Nemoder>:)
07:29<cTATUK>we're in #debian !
07:29<cTATUK>:)
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07:30<cTATUK>ps, i <3 Etch ;)
07:30<Nemoder>I moved on to Lenny
07:30<cTATUK>been running etch since the day it came out, haven't upgraded to unstable despite any desire
07:30<Nemoder>and now I'm thinking of ditching iceape and going with thunderbird/firefox
07:30<cTATUK>you mean
07:31<cTATUK>icedove/iceweasel ?
07:31<cTATUK>:)
07:31<Nemoder>yea
07:31<cTATUK>i've been using iceweasel ...
07:31<cTATUK>just installed iceape because i want an email client
07:31<cTATUK>never messed with Evolution
07:31<grgdorn>is kde 4 in the lenny repos
07:31<grgdorn>?
07:32<Nemoder>grgdorn: no, only experimental afaik
07:32<Nemoder>cTATUK: well iceweasel 3.0 is in lenny now and it's much much faster
07:32<grgdorn>how do i add that to sources.list? i want to be bleeding etch.
07:32<grgdorn>i like fixing problems :)
07:32<Nemoder>!experimental
07:32<cahoot_>bleeding etch?
07:32<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
07:33<grgdorn>edge. wordplay :)
07:33<cTATUK>Nemoder: that's still 'behind' ... iceweasel shouldn't really even be distributed .. it's IceCat now ;)
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07:34<Nemoder>I thought icecat was a separate project
07:34<cTATUK>oh. right.
07:35<cTATUK>iceweasel is the debian fork
07:35<Nemoder>ya icecat is a gnu thing
07:36<Nemoder>anyway, I mostly started using seamonkey for it's composer but I hardly ever use it now
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07:37<grgdorn>i just have to enable sid? thats easy. i wonder what itll breake during during upgrade. ill have the whole day to fix it :)
07:37<Nemoder>you might need more than a day :)
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07:38<grgdorn>hehe
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07:38<grgdorn>i wonder what windoze users are doing? they must be bored :)
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07:39<Nemoder>at least you CAN fix problems with debian sid, I don't think I'd want to ever be a windows beta tester
07:40<grgdorn>lol no. can i see the source? sorry mate. co can do.
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07:41<grgdorn>in fact i've been a beta tester for a military program once. whole armys disappeared in front of me.
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07:41<EmleyMoor>How do I get mythtv working?
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07:41<EmleyMoor>It says it can't log into the database
07:41<Nemoder>!mythtv
07:41<dpkg>well, mythtv is software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting, given the right hardware, TV, movies, music, and more. http://www.mythtv.org. Not in Debian due to <non-free> parts. Unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card drivers, see <bttv> and <ivtv>. #mythtv-users @ irc.freenode.net.
07:43<cTATUK>hm
07:44<cTATUK>the extension uninstaller doesn't work :(
07:44<Nemoder>hm
07:44<cTATUK>it prompts to install API, i click okay
07:44<Nemoder>ah it might need to install as root
07:44<cTATUK>the uninstaller dialog flashes for half a second
07:44<cTATUK>and quits
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07:44<Nemoder>if it installs properly it should show up on the tools menu
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07:45<cTATUK>nope same behavior
07:45<cTATUK>it _does_ show up
07:45<cTATUK>in the tools menu
07:45<cTATUK>just doesn't work properly
07:45<Nemoder>strange
07:45<cTATUK>yar
07:46<cTATUK>probably cause our iceape version are different
07:46<cTATUK>(1.0.9 here)
07:46<Nemoder>well I've been using it since etch
07:46<Nemoder>but ya I am using 1.1.11 now
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07:47<Nemoder>maybe run the browser from a terminal and see if it gives any errors
07:47<EmleyMoor>I think I need a mythtv user in mysql - how do I set one up?
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07:49<cTATUK>Nemoder: tried that ... no output. also.. is it possible to 'Customize' the toolbars?
07:49<cTATUK>like in iceweasel
07:50<Nemoder>you can customize the personal toolbar but I doh't think you can change the url bar
07:50<Nemoder>at least without getting into xml stuff
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07:50<cTATUK>heh
07:50<cTATUK>i suppose i'll still with iceweasel and just use icedove for now :)
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07:55<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it's just the password that's wrong...
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07:55<eliteforce>hello
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07:55<eliteforce>are recordings from the debconf available somewhere already?
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07:57<cTATUK>http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf8/Streams
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07:57<cahoot_>http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf8/Streams
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07:58<cTATUK>^^
07:58<EmleyMoor>I am getting "Query OK, 0 rows affected" when I try to set a mysql password for mythtv
07:58<eliteforce>"recording", not stream
08:00<EmleyMoor>A password has been set but not by me and I have no idea what it is
08:01<Nemoder>EmleyMoor: mythtv isn't part of debian, try their support channel instead
08:01<EmleyMoor>I think despite everything I have it working now
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08:14<cTATUK>thanks Nemoder
08:14<Nemoder>np
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08:29<wretched_dutchman>hey, can anyone help me with some group-management problems on my server?
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08:38<wretched_dutchman>my problem is: i added a new group to my /etc/group, with some usernames behind it, but when i use the id command it doesn't return the new group (i also tried adding through addgroup)
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08:39<bjonnh>wretched_dutchman, that's because you didn't re-opened your session
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08:39<bjonnh>wretched_dutchman, and you may prefer using vigr
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08:41<quitte>vigor?
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08:42<bjonnh>vigr (8) - edit the password, group, shadow-password or shadow-gr...
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08:46<abrotman>wretched_dutchman: did the user logout/login ?
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09:08<wretched_dutchman>srry for the late response, had to pick someone up, but i also rebooted the system, so it isn't in any way the same session
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09:09<bjonnh>can you give me the result of "grep {{username}} /etc/groups"
09:09<cahoot>is <user>?
09:09<cahoot>meh
09:10<wretched_dutchman>merciless-drowning:x:1001:martijn,andries
09:10<cahoot>groups <user>
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09:13<wretched_dutchman>ok, weird... now the user is indeed part of the group. It wasn't in after a reboot, but now after an x amount of time it is...
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09:14<wretched_dutchman>anyhow, thnx for the help :)
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09:20<bjonnh>wretched_dutchman, weird...
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09:21<wretched_dutchman>indeed
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09:42<eddieB>anyone know of an app that can record my bandwidth?
09:43<eddieB>in/out
09:43<bjonnh>eddieB, your bandwidth ? you means network traffic ?
09:43<eddieB>yes
09:44<bjonnh>do you want something that interpret it too ?
09:44<bjonnh>(like packet decoding, ...)
09:44<abrotman>eddieB: real time.. or keep track over time ?
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09:44<eddieB>nope. i just need to know the amount coming in/going out per month
09:45<eddieB>yes, real time
09:45<abrotman>uhm .. by real time i meant "at that instant"
09:46<eddieB>yes, real time
09:46<bjonnh>eddieB, real time means that you see what is going through your network device as soon as they are flowing through
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09:46<bjonnh>eddieB, here I could see my irc messages as I sent them
09:46<abrotman>and it won't record the totals for the month
09:47<abrotman>like if you run iftop or jnettop .. it won't record numbers for the month
09:47<eddieB>okay, well "track over time" then
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09:47<bjonnh>eddieB, "cat /proc/net/dev"
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09:48<gsimmons>eddieB: You might be interested in vnstat, specifically its -m (months) option.
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09:49<eddieB>gsimmons: anyway to see how many megabytes per day?
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09:51<gsimmons>eddieB: Yes.
09:52<eddieB>gsimmons: cool. how do i use/install vnstat?
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09:56<Adam_Sakuru>Hello!
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09:57<gsimmons>eddieB: aptitude install vnstat && man vnstat . The Debian package installs a cron script to update enabled databases every 5 minutes.
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10:06<eddieB>member:gsimmons: thanks, this is exactly what i need. to run it do i type vnstat -h? when i do type that, i get this "Replace 'eth0' with the interface that should be monitored."
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10:09<gsimmons>eddieB: Like the message (and the man page) says, you need to make a new database first. Adapt the example for the network interface you wish to monitor and execute it.
10:11<eddieB>gsimmons: sorry, i'mnew to Debian. is there a command i type to do this?
10:12<bjonnh>eddieB, but google is your friend
10:12<bjonnh>eddieB, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/330
10:13<gsimmons>eddieB: There is. In fact, it actually displays the command (using eth0 as an example interface) underneath the line "A new database can be created with the following command:".
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10:16<eddieB>gsimmons: what's the following command?
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10:21<sandor>CHN vs USA
10:21<abrotman>sandor: #debian-offtopic please
10:21<sandor>OK
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10:37<bighornram>hi all; I have set grip to default app on CD insertion. Problem being it always opens up a NEW window even though there is one open already (from the previous CD I ripped). Is there a switch I can use that will tell it to use the previously opened instance?
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10:39<zett>hi
10:39<zett>is here anyone who can me help ???
10:39<Gekz>no.
10:39<Gekz>we can't help you.
10:39<Gekz>under any circumstances.
10:40<chahibi>we can't, perhaps they can
10:40<zett>i have problem with root
10:40<chahibi>Are you Australian?
10:40<zett>no
10:41<zett>i cant logging as root
10:41<qq>why ?
10:41<zett>it say su:authetication failure
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10:41<qq>forget password ?
10:41<zett>NO
10:42<Gekz>LIES
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10:42<zett>dont laugh please
10:42<qq>than you use an other keyboard layout
10:42<zett>no
10:42<zett>my pw to root is hR.83+?D
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10:43<qq>well than reinstall
10:44<bjonnh>zett: wharf.... and you did open a ssh too ?
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10:44<zett>ssh ?
10:44<bjonnh>you may try to boot using the debian install cd, go to a shell (Alt+F2) remove root password, reboot and make a new one
10:44<bjonnh>zett, forget about it ;)
10:45<bjonnh>zett, forget about it ;) (for ssh)
10:45<zett>mmm
10:46<bjonnh>so you need to edit the /etc/passwd
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10:46<bjonnh>can you sudo ?
10:46<bjonnh>if you can
10:46<Izzard>let me guess.. lost root password?
10:47<bjonnh>just do "sudo passwd"
10:47<zett>lol i cant forget pass i installed OS before 30 min
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10:48<abrotman>qq: why would he need to reinstall ?
10:48<abrotman>!tell zett about ifrp
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10:50<bjonnh>!tell me about ifrp
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10:50<qq>abrotman: was an option ...
10:50<abrotman>!tell bjonnh about selftell
10:50<abrotman>qq: that was an *awful* option .. and totally unneeded
10:51<qq>ah
10:51<qq>my bad
10:51<Izzard>googling IFRP gives you the 'International Fellowship of Royal Privateers'.. i guess you're not talking about that
10:51<bjonnh>abrotman, thanks I didn't know
10:51<zett>Ok guys
10:51<zett>better will be installed new system
10:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 349] by debhelper
10:52<qq>i'll let to other his help
10:52<zett>Cany you paste here link with Debian Lenny neitnst ?
10:52<zett>*Can
10:52<gsimmons>!install testing
10:52<dpkg>To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
10:52<abrotman>debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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10:53<abrotman>qq: see ... now instead of actually learning something .. he's going to use your brain-dead method
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10:54<qq>hehe , zett listen abrotman
10:54<abrotman>too late
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10:56<zett>i am still here...i read installation guide
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10:56<zett>i am try to find some wrong
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10:57<zett>so
10:57<zett>how i can logg as a root ?
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10:58<zett>???
10:59<bjonnh>zett "sudo -i" if you really need a root login
10:59<bjonnh>but it should be avoided especially if you are a beginner (and even if not)
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10:59<zett>how i can install program?
10:59<bjonnh>sudo allows you to run a command as root
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10:59<zett>i need be a root ye ?
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11:00<abrotman>bjonnh: this is debian .. there's no sudo by default
11:00<zett>ye
11:00<zett>and visudo doesnt work for me
11:00<zett>nothing happend
11:00<mdg>anyone here good at troubleshooting alsa setup problems
11:00<bjonnh>abrotman, yups. I forgot it, but I always install sudo on my linux systems...
11:01<bjonnh>abrotman, do you know why debian devs choosed not to use sudo by default ?
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11:01<abrotman>not needed
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11:03<zett>type command for downloading and installing flash
11:03<zett>please
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11:04<zett>please :-D
11:04<gsimmons>mdg: Try asking for information, not people. Go over the ALSA checklist first however.
11:04<gsimmons>!tell mdg -about alsa checklist
11:05<mdg>ALSA checklist - is that a channel?
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11:06<abrotman>mdg: the dpkg bot should have given you a bunch of information
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11:07<zett>what is better use ? stable or testing version ?
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11:08<mdg>abrotman: gsimmons: not sure what you all are talking about. this is a CLI install.
11:08<abrotman>!alsa checklist
11:08<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
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11:09<mdg>okay ran alsaconf. Step 2 - add myself to audio group?
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11:10<ffws|hathe>mdg: ?
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11:10<mdg>Have run alsaconf as root before and when reboot, have lost sound.
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11:11<mdg>ffws|hather: its a CLI install on G4 iMac because I can't make X work
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11:12<ffws|hathe>mdg: was alsaconf successfull?
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11:13<Zeus>hi tell me plz how to start stoped task, I pressed Pause\Break button
11:13<mdg>okay, I did used "id user" and have permission for audio
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11:14<mdg>how does debian etch on a PPC save sound setup?
11:15<terabyte>ugh... ok, so last night I was working on this problem...
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11:15<terabyte>hey all - I am having difficulties installing debian on a new fileserver I am setting up. The mobo is an ASUS P5Q and has 8 1TB SATA drives as well as a 10GB EIDE drive and a CD-ROM drive configured on the same IDE cable (this mobo only has a primary IDE, no secondary). When I try to install (using the etch 4.0r4 amd64 netinst CD) I get the "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" error message. I did some googling to no avail, booting in expert mode and d
11:15<terabyte>...driver didn't help. Any suggestions?
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11:16<terabyte>some folks suggested that I should check the jumper settings, etc. I eventually confirmed that it still didn't work with two different cables and two different CD-ROM drives, each configured as master and alone on the cable.
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11:17<terabyte>I also tried booting into a knoppix live CD which also started to boot ok, but then failed to detect the CD-ROM after the bootloader.
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11:19<gsimmons>mdg: If your PowerPC system uses the snd-powermac module to provide audio (verify with "lsmod | grep snd_powermac" after running alsaconf), you will need add this module's name to /etc/modules. It isn't loaded automatically.
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11:22<AzaTht>any iptables experts around?
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11:25<zett>how to install flash ??
11:25<zett>!flash
11:25<dpkg>from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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11:27<bizhan>gnash
11:27<bizhan>what is gnash
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11:31<bizhan>!gnash
11:31<dpkg>gnash is probably a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch>
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11:34<pedromj>!swfdec
11:34<dpkg>from memory, swfdec is another free flash implementation which can play youtube videos and integrates with GNOME
11:34<chahibi>!!
11:34<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
11:34<pedromj>Which is working better gnash or swfdec?
11:34<pedromj>!who are you
11:34<dpkg>I'm a chimp!
11:34<chahibi>!dpkg
11:34<dpkg>i guess dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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11:36<AzaTht>no one fluent in iptables?
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11:37<pedromj>AzaTht: what do you wanna do?
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11:37<mdg>On a PPC running Debian, what tells alsa sound to load?
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11:39<pedromj>udev?
11:39<cahoot>look in /etc/init.d
11:39<AzaTht>say I have two nics, one to WAN, and one to LAN, also function as NAT; I have added a rule to forward a port from WAN to a computer on the LAN; though my question is if it's possible to set up so that if the compuer on the LAN where the forward is pointing to can access WAN-IP:PORT and get to the local computer
11:39<AzaTht>pedromj: ↑
11:39<mdg>thanks!
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11:40<pedromj>AzaTht: what?
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11:40<cahoot> and /etc/modprobe.d
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11:41<AzaTht>pedromj: how can I redirect LAN requests that where made to the external IP and port
11:41<AzaTht>where the port is a NAT forward to a LAN computer
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11:41<abrotman>!iptables
11:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450
11:41<pedromj>AzaTht: complicated scenario
11:41<abrotman>you can also do it with ipmasq
11:42<AzaTht>ok
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11:42<pedromj>AzaTht: You want to redirect all packets coming from LAN to the external interface to other host?
11:42<AzaTht>pedromj: no
11:43<pedromj>AzaTht: then?
11:43<abrotman>netfilter.org has some good docs on basic iptables stuff
11:43<pedromj>You want have one host with the external WAN-IP?
11:44<AzaTht>the router is a SOHO NAS thingi; exempel: the server is having an own web server on port 80; and I redirect port 8080 on the router to my local port 80; though I want self to be able to access external-ip:8080 to find my local web server
11:44<eljefe>Does anyone have ideas about my 2.6.25-2-686, Lenny system not being able to use CPU-stepping on a Pentium D?
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11:45<AzaTht>pedromj: I know it's a bit difficult to explain
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11:45<abrotman>it's not difficult at all .. netfilter.org
11:46<AzaTht>abrotman: it's difficult for me to explain
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11:50<AzaTht>pedromj: this is the current config I have: http://paste.debian.net/14450/
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11:52<pedromj>AzaTht: What does your first rule? It should work!
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11:53<pedromj>But you could try to avoid using NAT
11:53<AzaTht>pedromj: gonna be more than oxne computer in the internal network
11:53<abrotman>AzaTht: you'd do better to ask #iptables on irc.freenode.net
11:53<AzaTht>k
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11:56<pedromj>AzaTht: I was talking about the rule to redirect the traffic generated on your LAN that goes to EXTERNALIP:8080...
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11:57<pedromj>AzaTht: Because 192.168.0.83 is in the same network, you can change destination address of the packets coming from your LAN to this IP.
11:58<pedromj>AzaTht: Packets coming from LAN to EXTERNALIP:8080 -> CHANGE DESTINATION ADDRESS TO 192.168.0.3, but, mmm, you need to use NAT for the port.
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11:58<AzaTht>yea
11:59<[gloom]>hi there
11:59<pedromj>AzaTht: If you access a lot from your LAN, I encourage you to change the port of your server to 8080 and then use normal routing... doesn' need NAT (quicker access).
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12:01<pedromj>AzaTht: If you still want to use NAT you need to ensure that packets coming from your LAN (I guess "eth1") are DNATted :)
12:01<abrotman>uh what?
12:01<pedromj>AzaTht: You only have a rule for those coming from eth0.
12:01<[gloom]>I'm experiencing a strange behaviour in my laptop. With hdd load, the system becomes unusable. Reminds me when in an IDE drive, the DMA was deactivated. BUT, this is a sata drive, so theoretically, no neeed to worry about DMA settings. The kernel libata driver is compiled and loaded, and hdparm -t gives me 45mbps so I think it's okay. I don't know what else can I check...
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12:02<abrotman>AzaTht: really .. ask #iptables
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12:02<pedromj>[gloom]: dmesg
12:02<pedromj>[gloom]: When freezed, run dmesg to watch if there are any logs.
12:03<AzaTht>abrotman: ok
12:03<pedromj>abrotman: sorry, was my fault, I continued with the off-topic.
12:03<abrotman>it's not that it was offtopic .. but he really should ask #iptables
12:03<pedromj>:)
12:03<abrotman>he'll get better help there (assuming they're awake)
12:04<AzaTht>hehe
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12:05<pedromj>One question full-on-topic: Where lives Debian Release Blueprints? [Roadmap and so]
12:05<war> does anyone here run bind for internal and external DNS?
12:05<abrotman>!ask
12:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:05<[gloom]>pedromj: and what should I look for? No errors while doing big file copies, and from the start, whwn it recognizes de unit: http://pastebin.com/m1f1a99c5
12:05<abrotman>pedromj: roadmap of what?
12:06<pedromj>abrotman: Roadmap of, for example, Lenny.
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12:06<pedromj>[gloom]: then, when does it fail?
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12:06<abrotman>pedromj: there are a few mailing lists .. and some info at release.debian.org
12:07<pedromj>[gloom]: Are the failures deterministic?
12:07<pedromj>abrotman: I saw lennygoals.txt
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12:09<pedromj>abrotman: But I was asking about a richer description of the schedule. For example: What features are going to be included in Lenny?
12:09<[gloom]>pedromj: It does not fail. I have a big file, say, 700Mb. I make a copy of it. While it is making the copy, (high hdd load), or copying something from a USB drive, the system goes sooooo slow. It's LIKE the hdd load, loads the whole system, and I think that's not normal. I've been always able to have disk tasks in the background, and continue using the system, isn't it?
12:09<abrotman>newer better stuff!
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12:10<pedromj>I always loved Debian but I think that there should be certain objectives from one release to the following... and doesn't release (freeze) before having those objectives.
12:10<abrotman>there are the mailing list archives
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12:10<terabyte>[gloom] - I have a friend who reported a similar problem on his laptop - it is not normal, but I don't think he ever figured out why it does that.
12:10<abrotman>http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt
12:11<pedromj>abrotman: :) I saw it
12:11<[gloom]>terabyte: with recent kernel version? I'm on 2.6.25
12:11<pedromj>abrotman: Thank you...
12:11<pedromj>abrotman: I think they are poor
12:11<terabyte>[gloom] - actually, he was running gentoo, it was def. a 2.6 series kernel, but I didn't get any details beyond that.
12:12<abrotman>pedromj: write better documentation
12:13<pedromj>[gloom]: As you said, high system load is due to not working DMA. You can find information in dmesg if your DMA is turned off.
12:14<pedromj>abrotman: I know that documenation is always needed, but I think that there should be a fine-tunned plan to make a new Debian Release.
12:14<abrotman>that is the plan
12:14<abrotman>what other stuff do you want?
12:14<pedromj>hahahah
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12:15<abrotman>so there's nothing else you want?
12:15<pedromj>For example, Debian Lenny will be released without a full GNOME 2.22
12:16<abrotman>ask the debian-gnome team
12:16<abrotman>and it's also a bit too soon to tell
12:17<pedromj>Lenny is freezed
12:17<terabyte>I think it's reasonable to avoid "feature creep" - and holding up a release for every little thing they wanted in that isn't read is infeasible. Debian used to be "that distro that didn't have a release for 3 years". Nobody wants that again.
12:17<pedromj>GIO has a lot of bugs that will not be resolved until GNOME 2.24
12:17<abrotman>it can be unfrozen
12:17<terabyte>Releases are more important to be regular and stable than have any particular feature in them - it'll just be that much more stable for the next release.
12:18<pedromj>abrotman: I'm pretty sure that Debian Lenny will not have nautilus 2.22 :) [Only my prediction...]
12:19<cahoot>too buggy yet?
12:19<pedromj>terabyte: 18 months is a lot of time to wait for an old feature...
12:19<pedromj>cahoot: I think so.
12:19<terabyte>pedromj: then it can be backported.
12:19<terabyte>for those that want it that badly.
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12:21<pedromj>I know backports... but I think that a distribution should be defined with the versions of its packages. For example: Kernel + Xorg + GNOME + KDE + Python + Perl + Mono
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12:21<abrotman>pedromj: so what? who cares?
12:21<pedromj>A lot of people care!
12:21<abrotman>why?
12:21<abrotman>what great features do they all need?
12:22<cahoot>version#
12:22<pedromj>Not great
12:22<pedromj>Only newer software
12:22<pedromj>Or the newest software
12:22<terabyte>if you want the newest software, you run unstable anyways.
12:22<abrotman>!sns syndrome
12:22<dpkg>sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
12:23<cahoot>pedromj: the problem with 'newest' is it's a passing feature
12:23<pedromj>terabyte: I run unstable in my personal computers... but I don't recommend unstable nor testing for any server... and sometimes its needed new versions of python, ruby, mono, etc... in a server.
12:23<abrotman>your server needs nautilus?
12:23<pedromj>abrotman: Thank you!
12:24<terabyte>I believe the primary users of stable releases (unless you have data to the contrary) are people who want stability and don't want things to change, or to have to type apt-get update all the time, or to have said command surprise them with a new version of gnome.
12:24<[gloom]>pedromj: sorry to bother you again:D I don't see anything weird on dmesg. Just this two lines:
12:24<pedromj>abrotman: No, but a company could need it for their corporate network desktops.
12:24<abrotman>no
12:24<abrotman>there are still firms deploying win2k ..
12:24<[gloom]>pedromj: Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
12:24<[gloom]>pedromj: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
12:25<[gloom]>what is DPO or FUA? In the others USB disks, this warning is not there
12:25<terabyte>I'm with abrotman here - you have to look at it from a "use case" point of view - the primary usecase of stable doesn't care what version of gnome it is, by and large.
12:25<pedromj>terabyte: I know, but just because of that I think that a distribution release should be done with certain objectives (AKA software versions to be included).
12:25<abrotman>they have objectives .. i just showed you
12:26<Zeus>some one know how to start stopped task?)), I pressed Pause\Break button
12:26<pedromj>abrotman: Yeah, but I think they are poor
12:26<abrotman>that's fine .. but Debian isn't going to alter their schedule just to include gnome .22 if it slips six months
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12:26<pedromj>[gloom]: I don't know what is DPO or FUA. But if there isn't any line with DMA... try hdparm -iI /dev/sda.
12:27<pedromj>abrotman: Not talking only about Gnome. Yeah, that's an example because (as I said) I think that Gnome 2.22 will be included in final release of Lenny.
12:28<abrotman>say thing
12:28<abrotman>same thing
12:28<avu>surely not completely, parts of gnome 2.22 are still in experimental
12:28<pedromj>abrotman: I was talking about a lot of software. Another example is that Mono 2.0 is freezed and going to be stable in a month or so... Debian Lenny will be released with Mono 1.9.1, too old to any ASP.NET server :)
12:28<abrotman>pedromj: not true at all ..
12:29<abrotman>pedromj: if you don't like the way debian works .. there are other distros
12:29<pedromj>abrotman: I like Debian's quality
12:29<abrotman>then why are you complaining?
12:29<abrotman>the stabilization of the software in what will become lenny is part of that quality
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12:30<abrotman>if we just keep stuffing newer packages in, it will never stabilize and never release
12:30<pedromj>abrotman: I know... my intetion was not to complain. I only was asking for a planning other than the one (goals.txt) I've found.
12:30<abrotman>i gave them to you
12:31<pedromj>abrotman: And I thank you very much.
12:31<abrotman>the software versions are not part of goals .. since those could slip or be completely unusable
12:31<[gloom]>pedromj: AFAIK DMA seems activated. Anyway, if you can take a look at it, here's the output for this command. Do you see something wrong? http://pastebin.com/mdc713d7
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12:33<pedromj>abrotman: In this point, now I understand the words of Mark Shuttleworth about a sync for distro releases... It could help software developers to stabilize their software for the synched release date :)
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12:34<abrotman>that doesn't make sense .. but okay
12:34<pedromj>[gloom]: It seems right... I don't know what happends.
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12:35<pedromj>abrotman: sorry for wasting yout time... I like talk about these certain topics.
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12:35<abrotman>it's not a waste of time ..
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12:38<pedromj>I don't talk in IRC since a long ago... I lost getting and emitting sensations from plain words :) and I lost a lof of English vocabulary and grammar.
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12:39<abrotman>there is a spanish channel if that owuld be easier
12:39<pedromj>I'm in it, too.
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12:40<pedromj>But I like the english one and I practise my forgotten-english.
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12:42<neekofab>anyone have a link to a lvm on dm-crypt on raid guide? I can't seem to find one. using lenny but a later etch guide would work as well
12:42*piper is away: Gone away for now
12:43<[gloom]>pedromj: thank you.
12:43<[gloom]>see ya later guys
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12:45<abrotman>!tell piper about away
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13:07<ChosenOne>hi
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13:08<ChosenOne>is there a reported issue with lenny beta2 (netinstall) not being able to boot on "old" systems? :) i'm having some trouble here, and can definately say it's an issue of the CDs content
13:08<ChosenOne>there's nothing in the errata
13:08<newsense>im having issues too
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13:09<newsense>75% into base system install
13:09<newsense>havent found a solution yet though
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13:10<abrotman>ChosenOne: what kind of issues? doesn't boot? doesn't find HDD? what?
13:11<ChosenOne>it just says "booting from atapi-cd....Failure", while other bootable CDs work (i tried an ubuntu 7.04 and a windows xp sp2, that I had lying around). a second copy of lennybeta2 didnt work either, so it's not an issue of the blank CD I used
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13:12<abrotman>ChosenOne: tried burning the ISO slower?
13:13<ChosenOne>abrotman: yep. i burned the 2nd one slower
13:13<abrotman>like .. 4x?
13:13<ChosenOne>and it boots quite well on my asus m5n laptop
13:13<abrotman>you could also ask #debian-boot ..
13:13<ChosenOne>will do.
13:13<abrotman>use floppies? :)
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13:14<ChosenOne>lenny beta2 is not available on floppy, due to the kernel size
13:14<ChosenOne>besides: NO WAY! :P
13:14<ChosenOne>dont even think i'd find a floppy here ;)
13:15<zeitsofa>hello - i have a little problem with internet connection from debian server at my home - i can ping around the local network without problems but i cant ping into internet - i checked dns entrys in resolv.conf its ok i test a ping to an ip its the same - it didnt work - some ideas what can be wrong ?
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13:16<ChosenOne>zeitsofa: routing maybe?
13:17<abrotman>ChosenOne: tried the etch installer?
13:17<ChosenOne>abrotman: nope :P
13:17<ChosenOne>if you thinks it helps, I can do so...
13:17<abrotman>okay
13:18<abrotman>that's a lot of plastic to be wasting :)
13:18<ChosenOne>yes indeed. i'd rather not do that 0:)
13:18<zeitsofa>ChosenOne: hmm i dont think so i tryed a desktop pc on the server lan cable and it works fine
13:18<ChosenOne>zeitsofa: i meant your route-settings :)
13:19<ChosenOne>as in "default gateway" etc.
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13:20<zeitsofa>lol i have forgotten i have a new default gw and the server try the old one als default :D thx ChosenOne
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13:21<ChosenOne>np ;)
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13:28<grummund>hi, wlan0 isn't getting a dhcp lease at startup, but if i ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0; it gets a lease immediately. anyone have an idea what could be wrong?
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13:31<draemon>what sort of wireless card is it? (pcmcia, usb, ...)
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13:31<grummund>0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
13:32<grummund>Dell Latitude D630
13:33<abrotman>etch or lenny?
13:33<gremy>grummund: try dhclient wlan0
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13:33<grummund>gremy: yep, that works after startup too.
13:33*grummund is running etch
13:34<abrotman>grummund: did you set it up in your interfaces file ?
13:35<draemon>It's not an NDIS card is it?
13:35<abrotman>!interfaces
13:35<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>.
13:35<grummund>abrotman: yep, it's set as dhcp
13:36<grummund>wlan0 does come up at boot
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13:36<draemon>with a static IP?
13:36<grummund>and the boot messages do show dhclient attempting and failing to get a lease
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13:37<grummund>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
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13:38<draemon>ah ok. And your wireless details (essid, security, etc) are all in interfaces?
13:38<grummund>yep
13:38<abrotman>is it set to auto ?
13:38<grummund>yep ;)
13:38<grummund>if i ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0; it gets a lease immediately
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13:39<grummund>perhaps wlan0 isn't ready yet at that point in the boot?... how can i check that?
13:40<draemon>When you say the boot messages show dhclient failing to get a lease, what actually happens?
13:40<draemon>Do you get network down messages, does it timeout, do you get NAKs...
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13:42<grummund>several messages like: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
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13:43<grummund>followed by: No DHCPOFFERS received.
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13:45<SeLEct>i recenlty made an apt-get upgrade, but my sshd still shows as version 4.3 isint the latest one 4.7?
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13:49<ChosenOne>abrotman: I will try etch now....is there a way to not-use cdimage.debian.org - it's so damn slow :)
13:50<abrotman>use a mirror ?
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13:50<ChosenOne>nvm 0:)
13:51<Lethalman>hello
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14:04<ChosenOne>abrotman: etch works..
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14:04<abrotman>good enough ?
14:04<ChosenOne>abrotman: well yeah. though it's definately an issue that should be looked it.
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14:04<abrotman>you could submit an installation report or lack there of :)
14:04<ChosenOne>if needed, i would provide all the help you need. I assume it's something about the hardware
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14:06<abrotman>i need?
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14:06<ChosenOne>you as in "you debian guys" :P
14:06<abrotman>ChosenOne: did you try the daily or the beta2?
14:06<abrotman>http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug
14:06<ChosenOne>beta2
14:06<ChosenOne>will do! :)
14:06<abrotman>they would probably ask you to try the daily .. but that's up to you if you want to use another piece of plastic
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14:08<ChosenOne>ok, going to file a report within a few days
14:08<ChosenOne>will unplug ethernet *here*, so cu
14:08<Lethalman>hello
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14:08<spiekey>hi
14:08<Lethalman>i came back to readeon (i had fglrx)
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14:08<Lethalman>but now on gdm and emacs i've little font sizes
14:08<spiekey>whats the dpkg maintainers channel again?
14:08<Lethalman>how do i fix that?
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14:09<abrotman>spiekey: the bot?
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14:09<spiekey>huh?
14:09<abrotman>the bot or the program ?
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14:10<spiekey>the irc channel where i can get help when i want to build my own debian package
14:10<bighornram>Is there a way to configure a startup link in gnome to use a currently opened instance of a program? IE: ripping multiple CD's with grip -- use the same window each time a CD is inserted.
14:10<abrotman>!mentors
14:10<dpkg>i heard mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
14:10<spiekey>thanks!
14:11<abrotman>bighornram: instead of spawning a new window/instance ?
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14:11<bighornram>abrotman: exactly
14:11<abrotman>have it do nothing and do it manually ?
14:12<bighornram>i changed sound-juicer to grip for default when CD is inserted. After ripping a CD, it ejects the CD. When I insert another CD another grip window opens. It would be nice if it would just use the same one.
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14:13<grummund>is there a way to capture the output of init.d scripts at startup?
14:14<abrotman>!bootlog
14:14<dpkg>it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg)
14:14<bighornram>there must be a switch to add to the command to check first if an instance is already running.. I'm thinking probably a gnome thing but can't find anything about it
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14:15<abrotman>you could ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org
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14:16<LivingSouL>Is there a way to add swap without rebooting and running everything like nothing happened?
14:17<abrotman>man swapon
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14:17<abrotman>man mkswap
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14:17<LivingSouL>oh ok, thanks.
14:18<Lethalman>http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mesa-utils.html shows version 6.3.2-2.1 but i have 7.0.3-5
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14:18<Lethalman>how is this possible? :)
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14:32<grummund>wlan0 fails to get dhcp lease at startup - http://pastebin.com/m5cbb58c3
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14:34<LivingSouL>how do i make swap partition if I wanted it 500mb? is it mkswap /swap 500000 ?
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14:52<Woet>!pub-key B5D0C804ADB11277
14:52<Woet>hm
14:52<Woet>!apt-key B5D0C804ADB11277
14:52<dpkg>gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys B5D0C804ADB11277 ; gpg --export B5D0C804ADB11277 | sudo apt-key add -
14:54<Woet>!apt-key A70DAF536070D3A1
14:54<dpkg>gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -
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14:57<abrotman>Woet: /msg dpkg please
14:57<Woet>for 2 commands? sure..
14:57<abrotman>please
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14:58<usar>does the linux-source-VERSION.tar.bz2 installed by the linux-source-VERSION package already contain the debian patches or do I have to install linux-patch-debian-VERSION additionally?
14:59<abrotman>it should have the patches
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15:00<marcot>Hello, I'm trying to build ndiswrapper with linux 2.6.26, but it's asking for scripts/basic/fixdep, which is not available in linux-kbuild-2.6.26.
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15:00<marcot>But was in linux-kbuild-2.6.25.
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15:00<marcot>Is it a bug in the ndiswrapper-source package, or in module-assistant?
15:01<marcot>I'm in amd64.
15:04<marcot>It's strange cause in http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/linux-kbuild-2.6.26/filelist it shows fixdep, while in dpkg -L not.
15:05<marcot>In 2.6.26-2
15:06<marcot> /j #linux
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15:21<patrick>what is the subject?
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15:29<sysop_>hi
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15:30<Hobbestigrou>hi
15:30<sysop_>anyone here familiar with rcs?
15:32<sysop_>I am trying to compile from scratch this kernel module for a pcmcia to usb converter and for some reason the make file uses rcs and by default everything is owned by user ksh
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15:41<sysop_>ok did the obvious thing created a user called ksh and sudoed it and got rid of the rcs errors
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16:04<sysop_>hey how can I make a user that has the same privileges as root without using a sudo?
16:06<sysop_>I tried setting its user and group id to 0 but when I su to that user it says I am root, I tried just changing the group id to 0 and still wasnt able to do what I need to do.
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16:27<avtobiff>i have installed linux-source-2.6.24 and linux-patch-openvz and configured the kernel. when i try to make, it exits with status and the message "(...):Error: REPT without ENDR". what should i do to solve it?
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17:16<KaiSVK>!DebConf
17:16<dpkg>Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html
17:16<WebMind-org>sysop_ still there ?
17:17<keidori>I was wondering if any one could help me find out why I have no sound in flash
17:18<keidori>I Just installed it for iceWeasel
17:18<Nemoder>keidori: what version of flash?
17:18<KaiSVK>keidori isn't your sound server busy ? some other app working with sound ?
17:18<keidori>1.1.4
17:18<keidori>i dont think so
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17:19<KaiSVK>keidori my version is 9.0.124.0-0.0
17:19<sysop>yes
17:19<Nemoder>keidori: type about:plugins in the URL bar
17:20<KaiSVK>keidori you have probably free implementation of the flash installed :/
17:20<keidori>9.0 r124
17:20<Nemoder>ok, 9.0 uses ALSA
17:21<keidori>64bit so im using
17:21<keidori>npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
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17:23<Nemoder>see if you can get ALSA sound output to work with another app
17:23<mortus>hey. how much room do i need for a fresh install? +kdebase and dev tools like perl, gcc, g++?
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17:23<mortus>i'm just trying to guess here
17:23<keidori>what uses alsa?
17:23<mortus>sound ^^
17:23<mortus>oh. nm
17:23<Nemoder>keidori: most music players can like audacity or audacious
17:24<keidori>rhybox
17:24<mortus>?
17:24<keidori>?
17:25<Nemoder>you can run aplay -l in a terminal to see if it detects your hardware
17:25<keidori>ive got sound
17:25<keidori>but not in flash
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17:26<keidori>and yea its shows analog and a digital
17:27<Nemoder>if you can play a .wav file with aplay then flash should work too
17:27<keidori>whats the command?
17:27<Nemoder>aplay file.wav
17:28<keidori>brb i have to dl a wav file
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17:28<Nemoder>if you have openoffice try aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
17:29<keidori>well.....
17:29<keidori>it says its busy
17:30<keidori>how do i check what is the device? and what is device?
17:30<keidori>lol
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17:31<keidori>the sound card is the device
17:31<keidori>?
17:31<Nemoder>you probably have a sound daemon like esd or arts or pulseaudio that is taking over the device
17:31<keidori>how do i check
17:31<Nemoder>see if any of those are in your process list: ps -A
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17:32<trimeta>Someone mentioned to me that Gnome doesn't work with Sid. Is that still true if I just use compiz+gnome-panel+selected applets?
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17:33<keidori>ive got esd
17:33<keidori>what is esd? and what dose it do?
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17:33<Nemoder>!esd
17:33<dpkg>i guess esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon
17:34<Nemoder>heh
17:34<keidori>wtf
17:34<Nemoder>I believe gnome uses esd for widget sounds
17:35<Nemoder>you can try killing the process and see if everything else works then
17:36<keidori>kill it
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17:37<keidori>nope
17:37<keidori>no luck
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17:38<keidori>HAHAHAHA
17:38<keidori>re start
17:39<keidori>and it worked
17:39<keidori>so the ls command is like a view proc and the -a is all?
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17:41<keidori>ps
17:41<keidori>typo
17:41<Nemoder>yea
17:41<keidori>nice
17:42<Nemoder>gps is a nice gui for it
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17:42<keidori>i like the command line
17:42<keidori>its just very new to me
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17:43<keidori>but thx
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19:09<Henry_Bean>hi, is anybody having troubles apt-get updating Sid with an "Hash Sum mismatch" error?
19:09<Henry_Bean> /msg dpkg no public key
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19:13<ike>i\ve got the strangest of problems
19:14<ike>im sitting here with a laptop in my lap that refuses to do lan/inet
19:14<ike>not even from a pcmcia etherlink III
19:14<ike>its an acer 5101awlmi
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19:15<ike>ive installed the amd64 version of debian on it, tried the amd 64 ubuntu cds, 32 bit you name it, just no go
19:16<ike>i get an error about not being able to allocate resources to pci something 6 7 8 9 straight off the bat after grub
19:16<ike>anyone know what to try next?
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19:25<abrotman>does it recognize it at all ?
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19:25<ike>yea, shows up as realtek 8139
19:26<ike>it also senses that the cable is pluged in
19:26<dan_>can someone help me with why my host wont boot from a debian tftpd/dhcpd server? http://pastie.org/251038
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19:28<Henry_Bean>ike: don't you have one of those external on/off wifi switchs?
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19:29<abrotman>ike: tried to manually configure it ?
19:29<ike>yes, but thats an atheos card or what ever its called
19:29<ike>yes
19:29<ike>cant ping the router even
19:29<ike>i just dont get it
19:29<ike>a pcmcia card should have worked
19:29<ike>heck it works with the amiga :>
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19:30<amphi>ike: do you have weird pci irq settings in your bios, perchance?
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19:30<ike>theres nothing to set in the bios basically, but im wondering if i\ll have to flash up or something
19:31<ike>not that im to keen on installing windows xp just to do that
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19:33<ike>hm, ACPI> PCI Interrupt link XXXX irqs (10 11) *0, disabled
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19:34<ike>ugh ACPI*
19:34<ike>cant remember what irq network cards liked but
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19:35<ike>nvm, net card is on 21
19:35<amphi>ike: your vendor doesn't provide bootable iso images for bios upgrades?
19:35<ike>lemme see, the bios file was kinda big, like 6 megs
19:37<ike>maybe i can get to dos
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19:37<ike>uh, dont know if usb sticks work in freedos tho
19:41<ike>i couldnt get this stupid thing to boot from a usb stick either, do i need something special for 64bit maybe?
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19:45<Cyorxamp>Lo, if I built a debian etch box with just the security repo's in sources.list - is there a way that box automatically and silently applying all upgrades for years to come?
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19:51<lunatic>kernel upgrade 2.6.18 -> 2.6.25 (default etch -> lenny) seems to change hard drive naming scheme
19:52<lunatic>so my default lvm+cryptsetup configuration is broken and I cannot boot
19:52<lunatic>does anybody have any idea about a fix ?
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19:56<Cyorxamp>is Bind 9.5.1b1 going to be in etch security soon? to fix the cache poisening problem?
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20:02<streuner>!+tell Cyorxamp -about multiple ask
20:02<dpkg>told Cyorxamp about multiple ask.
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20:03<Cyorxamp>streuner: well then close #debian on freenode!
20:03<streuner>that's not the point, please read the factoid again
20:03<Cyorxamp>reading once is enough
20:04<streuner>surely not :-)
20:04<abrotman>Cyorxamp: or /part #debian on oftc :)
20:04<Cyorxamp>I prefer the OFTC one
20:04<Cyorxamp>but I join both
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20:04<streuner>good, but please ask in one channel about in future
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20:05<Cyorxamp>If I'm forced to ask in one channel my options are A) Freenode, plenty of people but its not an official channel so no guarentee of an official answer or B) OFTC, it's an official channel, but far fewer people
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20:06<Cyorxamp>So I tend to see #debian on freenode as the community one, and oftc as the developers + co one
20:06<streuner>wrong
20:07<Cyorxamp>I didn't say it was right, just how I see it
20:07<streuner>we are all people of Debian, and we support Debian, there is no difference
20:07<streuner>trust me on that one :-)
20:09<Cyorxamp>I don't need to trust you I know it
20:09<Cyorxamp>doesn't stop the problem of having a split audience tho does it?
20:10<streuner>its confusing people, if you ask in different channels...
20:10<streuner>that's all
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20:10<streuner>sometimes you need double-work and its confusing then
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20:11<Cyorxamp>streuner: well whats the amount of time needed to give up one for answer to a question and moved to the next? lol
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20:11<Cyorxamp>and whats the rule book on which to ask first?
20:11<Cyorxamp>its just silly
20:12<Cyorxamp>if we are all 'people of debian' we should be in here
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20:13<amphi>we are everywhere
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20:14<abrotman>we could send him to efnet ? :)
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20:14<Cyorxamp>NOOOOOOOOOO
20:14<amphi>heh
20:14<abrotman>but they have a #debian too
20:15<Cyorxamp>I know I know, but freenode was ex-official wasn't it? slightly different situation
20:15<amphi>there is a bug (an insect) in my lcd panel :(
20:15<abrotman>in?
20:15<streuner>amphi: haha
20:15<Cyorxamp>I mean for example, many non-official help channels mention in their topic where to find the official one
20:15<Cyorxamp>freenode doesn't even do that
20:15<amphi>in - it appears to be between the backlight and the lcd
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20:16<amphi>amusingly, when it partially obscures/shadows pixels, it appears antialiased
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20:17<amphi>I wish it would go off and devour the winmodem
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20:18<Cyorxamp>is there a way of knowing when bind9_9.3.4-2etch3 was added to the security repo?
20:18<Cyorxamp>I can't find dates anywhere
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20:20<Cyorxamp>hmm a mirror says 9th july, that'll do
20:21<gdb>Cyorxamp: I can't, either, but packages.debian.org's changelog says Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:19:53 -0600 was when it was built.
20:21<gdb>well last changed
20:21<gdb>9th is probably right then
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20:54<max>join #debianworld
20:55<max>bonjour a vous
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21:00<qq>bonsoir max
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21:01<max>ca va qq?
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21:01<qq>oui ...
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21:03<max>dis moi je vient d'installer débian sur ma machine mais j'ai des petit problèmes pourrait tu m'aider?
21:04<abrotman>!fr
21:04<dpkg>somebody said fr was Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
21:05<max>I'm sorry!
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23:06<lotus>i just installed etch, but i can't torrent
23:06<lotus>i tried several apps, but they don't connect to any peers
23:06<keidori>are you getting an error msg
23:06<keidori>oic
23:06<keidori>any firewalls active?
23:07<lotus>well, i installed firstarter, and allowed torrents, after i noticed the problems
23:08<keidori>what torrent porgram are we talking about?
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23:08<lotus>gnome-bt, qtorrent, transmission
23:09<keidori>pick one?
23:09<lotus>i tried those
23:09<keidori>transmission is a good ome
23:09<keidori>did you configure the ports?
23:10<keidori>you did say you allowed torrents how did you do that?
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23:10<lotus>i allowed connections from 6881 to
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23:11<lotus>6889
23:11<lotus>i stopped the wall now though
23:11<keidori>test the incoming port
23:13<lotus>how?
23:14<raevol>i'm taking a stab at c programming, but i don't seem to have an iostream.h? is there a way to get one? dunno how to do include stuffs :[
23:15<raevol>using gcc
23:15<lotus>oh nevermind, ktorrent does it
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23:15<keidori>netstat -a
23:15<keidori>lol
23:16<keidori>dose any one know a little bit about esd?
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23:17<file>ola
23:17<file>join #recife
23:18<keidori>what??
23:18<file>no
23:18<keidori>yes
23:18<keidori>so any one know why you would need esd?
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23:27<keidori>esd any one know???
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23:38<keidori>ok any one know how to disable esd on startup?
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