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---Logopened Wed Aug 13 00:00:11 2008
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01:00<chealer>hi. do people with NB8P/GeForce 8600M GT get a kernel crash when logging out from a desktop environment back to a display manager, when using the nv driver on lenny?
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02:05<remdolt>^^^^^^^^^^^ this file exists at "/usr/include/linux/version.h"
02:06<remdolt>can i just create a link to the actual file?
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02:07<infinitycircuit>remdolt, do you have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed?
02:07<jm_>remdolt: no
02:07<remdolt>yeah. i think
02:08<infinitycircuit>remdolt, if you did, you can try, as root, "ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-whatever /usr/src/linux" if the link doesn't exist already
02:09<jm_>no, he's missing packages
02:09<remdolt>i tried to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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02:10<remdolt>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
02:10<remdolt> linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.18 which is a virtual package.
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02:12<remdolt>doesn't look like i CAN install it
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03:16<delodar>Здесь говорят на русском?
03:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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03:32<delodar>ok-thank you))
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03:38<Zoup>when i create new partition , they are not available until i do restart my machine
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03:38<Zoup>whois jm_
03:39<jm_>not much info in whois reply for jm_
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03:39<Zoup>aa emm!
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03:43<jm_>sfidk -r to reread it, but this won't work if the device also has mounted partitions on it
03:43<jm_>sfdisk even
03:43<Woet>if I get 'killall - command not found'
03:43<Woet>which package includes it?
03:43<weasel>help yourself
03:46<Zoup>jm_: thanks!
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04:02<Knight_Lord>What's the drill to compile a debian package from the debian source?
04:03<Nemoder>also apt-get build-dep packagename
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04:04<Knight_Lord>i was more looking for fakeroot debian/rules
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04:05<Nemoder>is there a standard way to see what configure options a maintainer used for the official packages?
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04:06<Nemoder>or is that what rules is supposed to be for?
04:09<jm_>Nemoder: in general rules file, some packages mention it in /usr/share/doc
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04:09<Nemoder>ok thanks
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04:11<telmich>anyone else seeing problems with bnx2 / netextreme 5706 on 2.6.25-2?
04:11<telmich>I documentated my problems on
04:12<telmich>means: manual load works, load at bootup doesn't
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04:16<gsimmons>telmich: bnx2 appears to be unable to load the associated firmware file (see 1.156113, 1.504135).
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04:19<telmich>gsimmons: yes, but if I load it manually, it works
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04:34<gsimmons>telmich: What version of 'firmware-bnx2' do you have installed?
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04:53<telmich>githogori: 0.12
04:53<telmich>gsimmons: 0.12
04:54<telmich>gsimmons: I just installed it using aptitude..should I've something configured, too?
04:54<gsimmons>telmich: Looks like you are hitting bug #432042. As you are using a stock kernel, bnx2 is initially loaded from initramfs where it also expects the firmware to reside. update-initramfs is supposed to be called during 'firmware-bnx2' postinst (as done for 'firmware-qlogic' and others). This is performed in etchnhalf's version, but the postinst appears to be missing in unstable's version.
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04:56<gsimmons>telmich: Uh, in summary, run "update-initramfs -u".
04:56<telmich>gsimmons: ahh, ok. *try*
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05:08<Knight_Lord>Does anyone know of a program that can split a big mailbox file in two small ones?
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05:09<jm_>sorry, no
05:09<telmich>gsimmons: thanks, works
05:10<gsimmons>telmich: np. I'll file a bug regarding the missing postinst.
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05:11<telmich>gsimmons: ok. can you put nico-debian-firmware-bnx2 -at- into cc?
05:11<gsimmons>telmich: Sure.
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06:10<Ahronock>Kak zastavit Debian pisat cyrilicei?
06:11<Lethalman>why the naming kde4-minimal and gnome-core?
06:11<Lethalman>shouldn't they be both minimal or both core?
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06:11<Lethalman>for a naming coherence of debian
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06:11<onur>Hi. I have a serious problem. My X server doesn't working. When i trying to start X, my pc doesn't responding. I tried to create new xorg.conf with X -configure. It didn't worked. Do you have any idea?
06:12<petemc>check the log to see whats wrong
06:12<Lethalman>after you create the conf with X -configure you must copy it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
06:12<Lethalman>also try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
06:12<onur>Lethalman: of cource o copy
06:12<onur>petemc: noting wrong in log file
06:12<Lethalman>get Xorg.0.log and nopaste:
06:13<Lethalman>onur, you understand that saying "my pc doesn't respond" is little information
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06:22<drone77>i've been trying to configure my logitech z10's to work (usb speakers), when i change the device number in ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf to the one corresponding to the z10's alsamixer recognises and changes the volume of them but i can get no output from them, running speaker-test gives errors
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06:25<onur>I dont know why but it's working now
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06:46<AzaTht>if I have a timezone identifier in an abstract variable somehere, and I want to update the system timezone with that variable, but in an noninteractive way, how should I proceed then?
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06:53<Nemoder>AzaTht: you could probably just write it to /etc/timezone
06:54<AzaTht>Nemoder: true, but does that update the system?
06:55<Nemoder>not sure.. might look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.config script
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06:56<AzaTht>noticed that both apt and emails where pretty correct-time dependent, and for an soho nas, I really don't want people to have localtiome given in UTC
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07:26<simeon>is anyone of you using sid?
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07:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:29<simeon>Would you recommend using the testing version of Debian?
07:30<Nemoder>only if stable doesn't work well enough for you
07:30<Hideo>I'd recommend stable as it is the safest, however it all depends on how familiar you are with Debian
07:30<simeon>Well I am using Lenny
07:31<Nemoder>Lenny is testing
07:31<simeon>My mistake - the unstable # sorry I just woke up
07:32<avu>if you have to ask, the answer is most certainly no
07:32<avu>!tell simeon about sid faq
07:34<simeon>Mmmm I just don't like *buntus but I wanted to se what's up with the latest and greatest and since Lenny is about to go stable this year, sid should be on the brink of becoming testing which means there won't be that much problems
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07:34<petemc>simeon: no, sid will never become testing
07:35<Hideo>sid is always sid
07:35<simeon>I see
07:36<simeon>So what's the next testing? Does anyone know?
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07:42<Hideo>simeon: I dunno what the next codename will be for testing, but if you put testing in your sources.list and apt.conf, I think?, you will always use testing
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07:47<simeon>Yep I know that :). I wouldn't recommend it though
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07:57<twb>LVM. How do I tell which PV an LV is on?
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07:59<Abelian>I am using gnome on sid and have noticed that it is impossible to use my laptops volume/play/pause buttons whilst having the gnome menu open. Is this the expected behaviour or a bug?
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08:04<E0x>Abelian: i think is a bug
08:04<E0x>but i not sure , i not a gnome user
08:05<E0x>twb: what do you mean with "on" ?
08:06<twb>E0x: each LV has to live on one (or more) PVs.
08:06<twb>For example, I have a box with three swapN LVs, and I know (from memory) that each is on a different PV.
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08:07<E0x>twb: i understand , hmm i really don't known let me check the doc ( you can do the same in the while time )
08:08<Hideo>twb: maybe check in /etc/lvm/backup/
08:09<twb>Hideo: thanks, that tells me.
08:09<twb>I was trying lvdisplay
08:09<Hideo>yeah I was looking at all the lvs lvscan pvs pvscan too, none of those seem to tell me
08:10<twb>OK, so now I want to manually degrade my md0 RAID1 array so I can take one of its disks out and repurpose it (prior to throwing away the array).
08:10<E0x>twb: i think exist some tool to check that
08:11<E0x>or something
08:11<E0x>Hideo: no ?
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08:11<Hideo>E0x: nope yeah it's weird
08:11<twb>You probably need lvdisplay --verbose or something
08:12<E0x>Hideo: what is the line that talk about the PV ? in /etc/lvm/backup/VG
08:12<E0x>i saw a lot of stuff there
08:12<E0x>example : stripes = [ "pv0", 43264...
08:13<Hideo>E0x: in each LV it should have a line that say stripes ... something
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08:14<E0x>pvdisplay -v give you the PV UUID
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08:17<hlfshell>hey everyone - im trying to make a startup script that detects if theres an ethernet plug in before it tries to set up apache and other internet services to speed up boot time. does anyone know where i could find out how to do it?
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08:21<enouf>should've stuck around and looked in insserv
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08:41<merlin_>hello #debian
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08:42<merlin_>is anyone in here familiar with debian on a macbook?
08:42<merlin_>I noticed some strange things in the wiki and was curious about them
08:42<dpkg>from memory, macbook is or now known to work under bootcamp, details still sparse
08:42<merlin_>such as; does anyone know why it recommends the amd64 version of debian? the macbooks are intel based
08:42<merlin_>yeah that wiki is way out of date
08:42<merlin_>I was hoping someone was personally familiar
08:43<petemc>amd64 is 64bit
08:43<merlin_>such as I installed debian on this macbook without using bootcamp/refit or anything, just installing from a standard debian testing install cd
08:43<merlin_>petemc: but why not ia64?
08:43<merlin_>since it is intel
08:43<petemc>because is64 is itanium
08:43<merlin_>ach so
08:43<merlin_>so amd64 is more of a generic 64bit, then?
08:43<merlin_>I was not aware of that
08:44<petemc>learn something new everyday
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08:44<merlin_>I think I will be fine in 32 bit land for a while but I will have to remember that I should update eventually
08:44<petemc>it is a tad confusing tho
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08:44<merlin_>heh yes thus my coming here :P
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08:45<merlin_>anyone know why the wiki article recommends not using grub? I assume it is just outdated as I have had absolutely no problems as of yet
08:46<petemc>i dont use debian on apple hardware, but i would assume you're correct and its just outdated information
08:47<merlin_>oh I see, I just had to read further; in case you were curious it is because the directions are generally for installing with dual boot and grub doesn't like hfs+
08:47<merlin_>however, it is not a problem for me as I am single booting so I just have it on an ext partition :D
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08:48<merlin_>the nicest thing about debian (linux in general) on this mac is that it comes with an atheros wifi card
08:48<petemc>i use osx on my powerbook
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08:48<Hideo>traitor! :P
08:48<merlin_>yes, well, not intel and not atheros so great fit :P
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08:49<merlin_>I originally got this mac for work as I was in a mac shop for a while... and their BSD derivitive beats the shit out of windows; however, I am so happy to be back into linux
08:49<merlin_>it was such a pain managing shit on the mac and developing was not very much fun either
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08:50<merlin_>most of the things I liked on my mac were linux tools anyway installed via ports or fink :(... I figured I might as well cut out the middleman
08:50<petemc>i use a browser, terminal and video player
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08:50<merlin_>and I am definitely happier after the initial bumps
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08:53<merlin_>gonna be restarting X for some keyboard/mouse config changes and I didn't put this in a screen... so thanks petemc :) see you later
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09:01<philsf>anyone knows if there will be a g77 package available for lenny? there isn't one now
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09:04<suiside>philsf: lenny is freezed
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09:08<philsf>suiside: do you know why it was dropped in the first place?
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09:41<s_i_m>how do I make a screenshot of an full-screen Open GL application on linux?
09:41<petemc>in gnome, the print screen key should work
09:41<petemc>probably kde too
09:41<s_i_m>i do not use gnome
09:41<s_i_m>and kde
09:41<philsf>except for video streams, right?
09:42<philsf>trying to screenshot a video renders a black screen for me (wondering why?)
09:42<s_i_m>i want to make a sreenshot from a game
09:42<dpkg>it has been said that screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd, or push your "PrtScr" keyboard key in gnome, or kde, or or gnome-panel-screenshot
09:43<s_i_m>not sure that this will work with Open GL.
09:43<s_i_m>but I have not tried yet
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09:58<daw>anyone know why debian testing is unavailable for download ?
09:58<Pryon>probably because it moves too fast
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09:59<Killen>How to disable 3d desctop? I've install debian 4.0r4a and have a problem with display. It isn't wort at all.
09:59<Killen>Sorry, desktop)
10:01<Killen>Probably, i have bad videocard, but it work in 2d.
10:02<s_i_m>daw, why not available?
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10:03<Killen>Hello? Anyone?
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10:03<s_i_m>in any case i would recommend to download the netinstall image
10:04<s_i_m>oops, but links are dead there
10:04<gward>how easy is it to upgrade between versions if using 'testing?'
10:04<daw>s_i_m try to download weekly builds:
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10:06<daw>Killen: remove compiz or compizfusion
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10:06<s_i_m>gward, you mean full system upgrades?
10:06<s_i_m>or what?
10:07<gward>s_i_m: well... i'd like to use testing now. i'm wondering if it'll be cumbersome to upgrade to final while on testing.
10:07<s_i_m>usually it is as simple as apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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10:08<Killen>How? Yes, i am a teapot in linux
10:08<gward>s_i_m: thanks. i'll check the wiki.
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10:09<daw>Killen: # apt-get remove compiz
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10:10<s_i_m>gward, if in your sources.list you mention 'lenny' everywhere instead of 'testing' you will get what you want
10:10<daw>and read some linux docs for beginners :)
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10:10<SataS>hey all can i ask a debian related question here ? :D
10:10<gward>s_i_m: cool enough.
10:11<s_i_m>gward, now testing=lenny, after release it will change so that lenny=stable
10:11<s_i_m>that is what you need as I understood you.
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10:12<gward>s_i_m: sounds too easy.
10:12<Killen>daw: And how to get console while system is loading?
10:12<daw>gward: always better is wait for stable or RC although
10:12<SataS>cool does anyone know how i can add more resolution choices to my screen resolution settings ?? my max res isnt hi enought
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10:13<cahoot>SataS: what does xrandr -q offer?
10:14<daw>Killen: after loading press left_ctrl+left_alt+F1 to get console
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10:15<cahoot>SataS: gtf might help you create a modeline for the resolution you want
10:15<Killen>daw: ok, i'll try. Thanks
10:16<cahoot>SataS: I didn't mean you sould paste the output in a msg to me
10:17<cahoot>SataS: gtf might help you create a modeline for the resolution you want - run gtf in a terminal
10:17<SataS>ahh ok i am sorry tho i appreciate the help :D
10:17<SataS>says command not found
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10:19<daw>guys, are you expecting lenny rc1 in this month ?
10:19<dpkg>i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
10:20<avu>guesses when it will happen differ wildly and don't really matter :)
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10:20<SataS>hey cahoot can it have something to do with my drivers ? this is a fresh install of debian im more familiar with ubuntu strait up even tho there is little difference in the interfeces
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10:20<daw>im not asking when, im asking only about your feelings :)
10:21<SataS>but in ubuntu i needed to get a deforce ati driver before i could really make my desktop shine
10:21<avu>!lenny pool
10:21<dpkg>i heard lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet.
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10:21<Sertse>I got none of that
10:21<xtz>Hi there, did anyone already installed debian on a LACIE ethernet disk ? (can use windows embedded anymore because of its limitations)... I have GRUB ERROR 18, and cannot flash the bios :(
10:22<daw>!lenny pool
10:22<dpkg>from memory, lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet.
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10:34<sony>alguem ai tem como me ajudar, tenho problemas com servidor no debian
10:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:36<chahibi>Has anyone succeeded to install kde4?
10:36<dpkg>i heard kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>.
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10:40<OzOr>is there a channel to get help setting up identd
10:41<petemc>if you're using debian you could ask here
10:41<petemc>shouldnt be much harder than installing it if its not already installed tho
10:41<OzOr>im using debian etch
10:41<OzOr>i apt-get install pidentd
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10:42<OzOr>and followed this page
10:42<avu>chahibi, I have installed kde 4.1 on ppc, but removed it soon after because I found it to be much too buggy to use.
10:43<avu>chahibi, it was on sid using the experimental packages as described on
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10:44<chahibi>avu, thanks
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10:45<petemc>OzOr: dpkg -L pidentd will show you all the files installed
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10:47<OzOr>petermc is there away to manual start the daemon
10:47<OzOr>to see if it is working
10:47<petemc>ps aux|grep ident
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10:50<avu>isn't pidentd started by inetd?
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10:51<avu>in that case, check if inetd is listening on the auth port using netstat -tlpn
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10:51<Romadon>I'm installing debian 4.0rc4 in DELL m6300
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10:52<Romadon>but Debian doesn't activate my network card...
10:52<Romadon>is an NetXtreme BCM5756ME
10:52<Romadon>I'm try tg3, but don't work
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10:53<fob>hi! how can I replace the 2.4 kernel with 2.6?
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10:53<jackyf>aptitude install <new_kernel>, reboot
10:53<vizor> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
10:54<AzaTht>anyone here deep in freescale dev?
10:54<fob>install kernel-image-2.6-686 ?
10:54<petemc>Romadon: which debian installer?
10:54<AzaTht>I see
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10:54<AzaTht>gah, wrong window :(
10:55<petemc>Romadon: thats not very specific, but anyway - try etchnhalf or lenny
10:55<AzaTht>wondering if anyone know if there is a known problem with freescape ppc and checksum offloading
10:55<frenchy>can someone tell me if there is an easier way to install nvidia graphics drivers than compiling modules
10:55<petemc>AzaTht: if its a debian package you could check the bts
10:55<AzaTht>and if there is a way to solve it, without disable it
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10:56<AzaTht>petemc: would be the kernel :)
10:56<petemc>the kernel is a package too
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10:57<xtz>Hi there, did anyone already installed debian on a LACIE ethernet disk ? (can use windows embedded anymore because of its limitations)... I have GRUB ERROR 18, and cannot flash the bios :(
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10:57<twb>Is that a NAS?
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11:00<xtz>the only solution i found is to flash the bios to avoid the large disk problem... but i can't because the motherboard is something build by via but without any references other than the network controller and the audio chipset (i still ask myself why they need an audio in it).
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11:01<xtz>the CPU is also something from VIA
11:02<xtz>i read i should move the boot sector at the beginning of the disk, but, shouldn't it be there ? and, anyway, i don't know how to do this
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11:05<jersson>hola alguien que me ayude
11:06<jersson>alguien que me ayude
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11:06<jersson>alguien que me ayude
11:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:13<ericvw>Has there been known issues with the latest CD installer for Etch?
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11:16<Killen>How to remove compiz? I try to call console by alt+ctrl+f1..f6, but screen is black.
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11:19<frenchy>can anyone tell me if there is a way to upgrade from lenny to sid without a reinstall
11:20<petemc>as trite as this sounds, if you're asking that you dont really want to be using sid
11:21<Lethalman>frenchy, put unstable sources in sources.list and remove lenny ones, then aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
11:21<opensrcguru>any thoughts on this?
11:21<Lethalman>that's it
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11:21<opensrcguru>where does one find the changelog between different releases of the kernels?
11:21<frenchy>Lethalman thanks, can i find the unstable sources on the debian website?
11:21<cahoot>opensrcguru: installed kernels?
11:21<petemc>opensrcguru: /usr/share/doc/package/
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11:22<Lethalman>frenchy, open /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to unstable
11:22<Lethalman>or lenny to unstable
11:22<frenchy>Lethalman oh ok, thanks
11:22<mordal>i'm running 2.6.25-2-486 and i'm trying to get nvidia drivers installed. i used the one-liner from dpkg, but X would not start with the configuration that was made. i had to restore the backup of the old xorg.conf file to get x running again.
11:23<mordal>then i went to sleep
11:23<frenchy>Lethalman would changing lenny to sid work?
11:23<mordal>i'm trying to get this working again.
11:23<opensrcguru>petemc: thanks.
11:23*opensrcguru wonders why he didnt know that.
11:23<Lethalman>frenchy, yes
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11:24<mordal>anyone have any experience getting nvidia drivers installed on a recent kernel?
11:25<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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11:26<mordal>i already asked my real question. scroll up
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11:27<cahoot>mordal: try look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:29<fob>do I have to run any command after changing GRUBs
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11:29<cahoot>not necessarily
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11:33<mordal>at the login my system displays that i'm running lenny/sid
11:34<mordal>apt-spy wrote a sources.list with "testing" in stead of stable
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11:36<gsimmons>!why lenny/sid
11:36<dpkg>Why "lenny/sid" instead of just "lenny" or "sid"? See /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ ("Questions about /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version") for the answer.
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11:40<Killen>People, please. How to load system without 3d display? I can't use console, because screen is black. But i have ext2 driver in windows. And all I knew is that screen works properly only in 2d.
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11:44<AbsintheSyringe>Killen, in kernel configuration, Device Drivers --> Character Devices --> <> Direct Rendering Manager, recompile your kernel
11:45<mordal>killen: are you running stable/testing? what did you do before this heppened
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11:45<xtz>twb ?
11:46<twb>xtz: what?
11:46<xtz>do you have any solution for my problem with the lacie nas?
11:47<Killen>I've install debian 4.0r4a, and before i try to install ubuntu. Problem is same - screen isn't work at all, it's off, just like when system is shut down. But when i start ubuntu live cd in safe graphical mode it's work.
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11:48<xtz>does anyone knows how to install debian on a LACIE ethernet disk ? On the first boot after install, i have "Grub loading... Error 18". I can't flash the bios... any solution ?
11:48<twb>xtz: have you tried looking up the error number?
11:48<xtz>twb: its related to the boot sector, that cannot be accessed by the bios
11:49<xtz>and, all solutions says to flash the bios... but i can't
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11:50<Killen>mordal: can i disable 3d desktop by change something in files?
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11:51<mordal>what do you mean 3d desktop?
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11:52<Killen>mordal: all this graphical effects isn't 3d?
11:53<twb>Killen: we can't see what's on your screen
11:54<Killen>some windows now)
11:54<mordal>did you say "2d" works?
11:54<Killen>i mean, ubuntu loaded properly in safe graphical mode.
11:54<mordal>are you sure you gfx card can handle the 3d?
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11:56<prahal>hi do you know an extension that build against xulrunner-dev or how to find out one ? I want to rip out the build system for my own extension (which currently rely on firefox sources)
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11:57<mordal>prahal: is your question about firefox?
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11:57<prahal>mordal, yes though iceweasel . It is about the debian packaging of extension (and how their build system is tied to debian packages)
11:58<mordal>dunno, but the guys on might be able to better answer your question
11:58<prahal>I can find firefox extension but not the one that build xpcom code in their inside from aptitude
11:58<Killen>mordal: not at all. i have GeForce 6600 GT. it's work in windows (i mean, in windows games), but two days before it fail d3d test in dxdiag - screen shuted down (sorry my bad english)
11:59<mordal>do you still have a windows installation on your box? dual-boot maybe?
11:59<Killen>mordal: but it's work now.
11:59<prahal>mordal, well I am afraid they cannot . I am looking for a package that build depends on debian xulrunner-dev :-/
12:00<mordal> /shrug
12:01<Killen>mordal: O_o yes. but linux is loaded from other hd and i disable hd with windows physically
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12:01<meandtheshell1>any idea why isn't packaged yet?
12:02<disposable>i've got files around my filesystem tree that i need to be empty. how do i do that? so far i've come up with find -name 'file_to_make_empty' -print0 | xargs -0 echo '' something something. i basically need to redirect null character from echo to those files.
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12:03<prahal>hum I may have found a way . The meta bug for packages that build depends on old libxul-dev . It gives me swt-gtk . I love meta bugs
12:03<mordal>yeah. good luck with that
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12:06<mordal>!tell Killen about nvidia
12:06<drone77>I've been trying to configure my logitech z10's to work (usb speakers) under lenny, after changing the device number in ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf to the one corresponding to the z10's alsamixer is able to recognise them and changes the volume of them but i am unable to get any audio output, running speaker-test gives errors
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12:14<drone77>is xrandr able to change driver specific settings? (such as Option OpenGLOverlay "off" to on?)
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12:26<cahoot>why would (and how to remedy) an usb mouse provoke immediate wakeup from suspend?
12:27<the-dude>cahoot: bios feature?
12:28<cahoot>the-dude: mouse turned off (it a wireless thing) and this is new with kernel 2.6.26
12:28<cahoot>i e the spontasneous wakeup is new
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12:29<the-dude>I know there are some bios support to wake on lan/usb/power
12:30<cahoot>ok I'll look at the bios options - thanks
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12:41<hollo>hi.. hmm i wonder how i can change the password without beeing prompted for anything.. can i do that somehow.. and without expect too?
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12:50<fob>tmpfs 62484 0 62484 0% /lib/init/rw
12:50<fob>tmpfs 62484 0 62484 0% /dev/shm
12:50<fob>is this ok?
12:50<fob>the swap space seems to be mounted twice?
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12:51<frenchy>does anyone use the exaile music player in here
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13:03<mordal>is there a command that will tell what process has which port open on my system?
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13:05<cahoot>lsof -i
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13:08<mordal>aptitude keeps telling me that it needs to remove kdebase
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13:09<mordal>check this out ^
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13:11<h2x_jump>any idea why ifconfig eth0 would return an error that the interface could not be detected when I am positive that I have the correct driver installed?
13:11<h2x_jump>and inserted
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13:11<cahoot>what does ifconfig -a show?
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13:18<h2x_jump>cahoot: just lo, the loopback
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13:19<cahoot>h2x_jump: no complaint in dmesg about the module?
13:19<h2x_jump>cahoot: nope, it even days it loads fine
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13:20<infinitycircuit_>h2x_jump, what is the actual hardware?
13:20<Killen>What does mean (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable?
13:20<cahoot>h2x_jump: nothing promising in /sys/class/net ?
13:20<infinitycircuit_>Killen, it means you will not have 3d acceleration
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13:21<infinitycircuit_>Killen, and may need to setup xgl-xserver if aiglx fails
13:21<Killen>infinitycircuit_: and that is because my screen is black?
13:21<h2x_jump>cahoot: shit, it was the wrong module all along
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13:21<h2x_jump>sorry about that
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13:22<glasya>Killen, have you tried commenting out dri from your xorg.conf file?
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13:22<Killen>infinitycircuit_: where it is?
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13:22<infinitycircuit_>Killen, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:22<infinitycircuit_>Killen, what is the hardware you are using?
13:23<Killen>geforce 6600 gt
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13:23<infinitycircuit_>Killen, do you have nvidia proprietary drivers installed?
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13:25<Killen>infinitycircuit_: i don't know. I do not install anything, because my screen is allways turn off when system is loaded and i can't even start console.
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13:25<infinitycircuit>Killen, boot in single user mode
13:25<Killen>infinitycircuit: how?
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13:26<infinitycircuit>Killen, it is auto-generated in the grub boot menu in debian
13:26<infinitycircuit>Killen, or just add "1" to the kernel line
13:26<jmtechy>is the amd64 debian working with flash ?
13:27<mordal>hey. how can i reconfigure xorg? i want to remove one of the display modes.
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13:27<radex>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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13:28<Killen>infinitycircuit: and whan i must to do to boot in single user mode? GRUB isn't show any menus on start.
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13:30<infinitycircuit>Killen, that's odd. what version of debian is this?
13:30<Killen>infinitycircuit: 4.0r4a
13:32<Killen>infinitycircuit: lilo is loading after grub or instead it?
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13:36<Mariny_Benadalid>hi, my name is Marina
13:36<renateitor>hi Mariny_Benadalid
13:36<Killen>infinitycircuit: maybe it install lilo?
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13:37<Mariny_Benadalid>Sorry, I don't understand
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13:38<Mariny_Benadalid>I speak i speak Spanish
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13:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:41<infinitycircuit>Killen, sorry i don't know anything about lilo
13:42<Killen>infinitycircuit: anyway, thanks.
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14:01<Grillo>buenas... alguien habla español?
14:02<Grillo>alguien puede ayudarme a instalar debian en un disco SATA II???
14:02<dpkg>methinks sp is troubled: you stats pimp!
14:02<Simon43>once i want to use this thing... :-(
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14:03<Grillo>hi... somebody can help me to install debian 4.0r4a in a SATA disk drive???
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14:09<nuffe>Hi, Two questions. How do I register my nick and how do I keep changes made with synclient after computer restart?
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14:12<nubbun>nuffe: make changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
14:12<nubbun>nuffe: man synaptics
14:12<nuffe>Ok, I managed to register my nickname.
14:13<nuffe>nubbun: I thought that that was what synclient was doing.
14:14<nubbun>nuffe: no.
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14:14<nuffe>nubbun: But does the man pages state this fact?
14:15<nubbun>What is the state of IP6 in Debian/testing? when I ifup my network card, the staticly assigned address becomes 'tentative'(unusable)
14:15<nubbun>nuffe: docs for synclient do.
14:16<nuffe>nubbun: Specify "docs" please. Where do I find these docs?
14:16<nubbun>nuffe: I don't remember which docs, but I read docs that synclient communicates via shared memory to the driver.
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14:18<nuffe>nubbun: Ok, thanks for the help. Now I just have to figure out how to configure the touchpad so that the scroller on the right works.
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14:19<nubbun>nuffe: I can help you turn tap off
14:19<nuffe>nubbun: Turn tap off, what do you mean?
14:19<mazze>I'm having problems creating tables in texmacs. On what IRC-channel might I get help?
14:20<nubbun>nuffe: the tap-to-click. I find it very annoying. It's the first change I make when setting up a touchpad.
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14:20<nubbun>mazze: Might you rather give up tex & use dochtml?
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14:21<mazze>nubbun I don't use TeX at the moment, but try to use texmacs. Where is the benefit with dochtml over texmacs?
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14:21<nuffe>nubbun: I see. It doesn't bother mebut thanks anyway. I would like the scroller to work tough. It,s very practical with a working scroller.
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14:23<nubbun>mazze: I don't know texmacs or how to compare it. I only compare HTML to tex.
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14:24<mazze>nubbun As far as I know, HTML is not intended for printing as typesetting.
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14:32<nubbun>mazze: basically true. *However* ... There is a media type defined in CSS (for HTML) for layout on paper. and DocHTML adds support for creating (better) Printed documentation from HTML.
14:33<nubbun>mazze: so there is support for HTML and printing. I think that would encompass what you mean with typesetting, wouldn't it?
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14:34<mazze>nubbun Okay, I think, I did understand. You are right that this would encompass what I mean. But why should I use HTML and not TeX?
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14:37<nubbun>mazze: if you both wanted your document to be viewable in web browsers & printing. Also you might find a HTML editor you like better than tex editor.
14:39<mazze>nubbun I understand. My problem is that I don't know HTML yet. I never tried, I have to admit. Normally I use vi to write my LaTeX documents, and I am quite used to it. And i seldom need documents to be viewed in web browsers.
14:39<mazze>nubbun So, it is not much of motivation for such a step to me.
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14:40<mazze>nubbun Nevertheless, I was interested in trying out texmacs, but I have serious problems using it ... and I wanted to find help by some people using it.
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14:54*ptr is feeling dumb
14:54<ptr>What was the preferred way to sort a bunch of lines of text randomly, before sort -R?
14:55<ptr>guess there's always perl
14:55<ptr>got it
14:55<ptr>nev. mind
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15:08<ptr>OK, different question
15:09<cahoot>nubbun: as per /topic?
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15:10<nubbun>cahoot: how do I see the part of the topic that runs off the end?
15:10<nubbun>cahoot: got it . thanks
15:11<cahoot>nubbun: try /msg dpkg no public key
15:11<nubbun>cahoot: seems like a different problem.
15:11<nubbun> /msg dpkg no public key
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15:12<bony>how to start a program automatically at a given time. for example i want to start gedit at 00.00 hours in the current logged in user how to do that using cron?
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15:12<cahoot>bony: you could use atd
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15:13<bony>cahoot, ok let me check that out
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15:20<bony>cahoot, i tried it out but i don't see gedit poping up. as the manual says at will use sh to execute any command i tried $sh gedit and i get an error saying cannot execute binary file
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15:20<bony>cahoot, can you help me out?
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15:26<nubbun>Why does Ubuntu bother (some) Debianers?
15:28<dondelelcaro>nubbun: you'd have to ask the people that it bothers; it's not terribly on topic here, though
15:28<Gathond>nubbun: I think most here is just annoyed that people expect them to know all about ubuntu too so they can help them
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15:33<h2-gw>nubbun, ubuntu changes things from debian in unpredictable areas and times, thus asking debian users to know about those random changes from debian is just not realistic or practical
15:33<bony>how to export a program to the current display?
15:35<mruslei>i just tried to start x and it crashed. here is my Xorg.0.log. does this just mean that xvesa is not installed or the module is not loaded?
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15:37<tcsetattr>sounds to me like the driver isn't installed
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15:39<tcsetattr>you should be able to get it with apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-vesa. you really want to use VESA though?
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15:39<mruslei>yeah. i just installed it. when i ran startx my monitor lost the signal like the cable had been unplugged
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15:40<mruslei>i should be using xorg, right?
15:40<h2-gw>mruslei, what video card?
15:40<h2-gw>which one?
15:40<mruslei>but i dont even have nvidia drivers installed yet
15:41<h2-gw>nv driver will work fine
15:41<mruslei>where do i set that?
15:41<h2-gw>but xorg should detect that automatically in testing and sid
15:41<h2-gw>are you in sid testing or stable?
15:41<mruslei>testing i think
15:41<mruslei>yeah testing
15:41<h2-gw>lenny / sid should be able to auto detect that
15:42<mruslei>it's not
15:42<h2-gw>all my recent tests do
15:42<h2-gw>for nvidia
15:42<mruslei>i just did a dist-upgrade and some things were broken/borked
15:42<mruslei>that is when the problem started
15:42<h2-gw>when was the last dist-upgrade done?
15:42<mruslei>10 minutes ago
15:42<h2-gw>there have been many massive xorg changes
15:42<h2-gw>mruslei, no, the last one pre break
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15:43<h2-gw>how long ago, how many x days/months/years
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15:43<h2-gw>where you using nvidia driver before?
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15:47<mruslei>i never got nvidia drivers installed. today i installed apt-spy and it wrote a sources.list for testing, though i was using etch. now i'm stuck with tesitng. so i edited my sources.list so that everything was for testing and did a dist-upgrade.
15:47<mruslei>now i'm here
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15:52<simeon>Can anyone explain what's the pros and cons of apt-get over aptitude. I personally ONLY use aptitude as I cannot mix apt-get and aptitude and I consider aptitude to be superior to apt-get.
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15:53<acid4spider>any1 good with php coding?
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15:55<acid4spider>I have some questions to people who knows php coding
15:56<simeon>Are they Debian related? If not I don't think here's the place to ask
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15:57<acid4spider>where is the place to ask then?
15:58<mruslei>did your irc client just direct you here automagically?
15:59<datak0w>uhmm...simeon, i have same doubt, of course no good mixing apt-get and aptitude. I nox dependencies checking and error corrections are superior in aptitude, so it is better to use aptitude.
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15:59<acid4spider>no, found the most people in channel.
15:59<acid4spider>1st time using mirc
15:59<qq_> mirc ...
15:59<acid4spider>2 me? thx. :)
16:00<mruslei>got it working. thanks all. later
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16:00<acid4spider>but can you point me in the right deriction?
16:00<acid4spider>I need php people
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16:00<simeon>acid4spider join channel #php ;)
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16:00<acid4spider>where is it?
16:01<acid4spider>how to do ti
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16:01<simeon>I am not sure what client you are using but from the menu check for channels or servers
16:01<acid4spider>wow worked
16:02<datak0w>acid, tools--Channel list
16:02<datak0w>on mirc
16:03<simeon>So why are most people using apt-get? Even in Debian where people are a "bit" more educated in GNU/Linux. I mean I understand all the *buntu newbies
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16:57<newsense>anyone here ?
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17:11<acerman>hey guys whats up? Im into trouble... I cant modify my hard disk partitions Ive installed ubuntu as /dev/sda1 and I delete that partition and now I want to move /dev/sda2 to fill the space that left the first partition and cant do it with gparted, do i have any choice?
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17:13<SaintK>Hi, i have a simple question, which i just cant find the awnser too on google. I had added a new harddisk to my server, but it still contains a NTFS partition. How can i re-partition the disk to a Linux filesystem ?
17:14<drone77>SaintK, try fdisk
17:14<drone77>or cfdisk
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17:15<qq_>or just fortmat it ext3
17:15<SaintK>do i first need to mount it or something?
17:15<acerman>SaintK, gparted in graphical mode its easier
17:15<SaintK>I have only got console access
17:15<SaintK>checking out fdisk now
17:16<acerman>SaintK, fdisk -l to find the disk
17:16<acerman>then --help and see what u can doç
17:16<acerman>but no one know how to do what i asked?
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17:18<qq_>acerman: use cp ?
17:18<SaintKL>This is more complicated then i expected. Apperantly i first need to add the disk to /etc/fstab or something ?
17:19<SaintKL>so how do i know how it called the disk?
17:19<drone77>SaintKL, do fdisk -l
17:19<SaintKL>ah thanks drone77
17:20<drone77>and acerman
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17:22<SaintKL>what should i add it as, extended or primary ?
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17:23<qq_> identify the disk/partition and fortmat it ext3 (i soupose it is not needed a new partition)
17:23<Pryon>if you anticipate needing > 4 partitions on the disk, use an extended partition.
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17:24<qq_>tabel ^^
17:24<SaintKL>aight cool
17:24<SaintKL>One last noob question, whats the format command in linux?
17:25<qq_>just said [17:15:08] <qq_> or just fortmat it ext3
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17:26<SaintKL>ye i've read that, just wanting to know how to :P
17:26<costa>dd dev/null
17:27<SaintKL>ah its working it looks like
17:27<SaintKL>so after its done creating it, can i directly access it, or do i need to still add it somewere ?
17:27<costa>you'll need to mount it to a directory
17:28<costa>mount /dev/sda3 /files , for example
17:28<SaintKL>ok, and that clears on a reboot right? i remember i had to add it somewere to have it stick permanently
17:28<costa>you add the mount info to /etc/fstab
17:28<SaintKL>ok thanks alot
17:29<newsense>is it better to remove a module all together or blacklist it ?
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17:31<coolhp>Good evening everyone. I was wondering if anyone could assist me with a dpkg-buildpackage issue I am having with apache2.2 ?
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17:31<infinitycircuit>coolhp, what is your problem?
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17:33<coolhp>Well... the problem is that I must completely confused over what I am doing :-)... Here is the process I am trying to take. I am running etch but need to update apache to 2.2.8 or later due to security flaws. As such, I thought of taking the apache source and diff from sid and building them under etch.
17:33<coolhp>But that didnt work out too well because too many dependencies changed in the process.
17:34<infinitycircuit>coolhp, which security flaws are currently not fixed in etch apache?
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17:34<coolhp>Not according to McAffee SecureSite
17:35<coolhp>Give me a sec... looking up the flaw
17:36<coolhp>Its mostly complaining about CVE-2008-0005 and CVE-2007-6422
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17:37<coolhp>mod_proxy_ftp UTF-7 XSS and mod_proxy_balancer DoS
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17:38<coolhp>Both advisories dont seem to have reached the security updates on apache2.2.3 from security but I may be wrong onthat one.
17:38<coolhp>I'm running 2.2.3+etch5
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17:38<infinitycircuit>coolhp, so what was the exact problem you had with the backport
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17:39<coolhp>Well... trying to backport 2.2.9 has may dependencies that would need to be backported... Give me a sec. Looking for the package name
17:40<coolhp>Mostly debhelper... which I would need to upgrade to 6.0.7
17:41<coolhp>Actually, I might have just answered my own question. Is upgrading debhelper via a backport a bid deal
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17:42<infinitycircuit>coolhp, probably not, if you aren't building much other stuff from etch
17:42<coolhp>That's my issue... I might be building other stuff from etch :-)
17:42<coolhp>Anyways... what I was trying to do is the following :
17:43<coolhp>Use the 2.2.9 source with the 2.2.3 diff. I of course removed the patches directory from the 2.2.3 patch and replaced it with the one from 2.2.9-7 in sid.
17:44<coolhp>Everything seems to build just fine.. but the output package is marked as 2.2.3+etch5 even though it is a 2.2.9.
17:44<coolhp>I was wondering if that was a main issue and if there was any way for me to modify the version tag ?
17:45<infinitycircuit>coolhp, did you run "dch -i" from devscripts?
17:45<infinitycircuit>you should update the changelog
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17:45<coolhp>No I didnt :-P... As I said, I'm not too sure of certain steps involved with package building ;-)
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17:46<infinitycircuit>basic steps for backport are: 1) grab sources, 2) fix patch system, 3) update changelog, 4) build and pray
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17:47<coolhp>:-)... thank you... adding to my mantra
17:47<newsense>is it normal for binary files to change md5 sum after a package upgrade ?
17:47<newsense>or should i be concerned ?
17:47<infinitycircuit>if you are serious about building then you should build with cowbuild and check with lintian and piuparts
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17:54<pucallpa>i have problem with lenny
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17:55<pucallpa>img. 5 - 8 - 08
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17:55<pucallpa>someone else?
17:55<infinitycircuit>pucallpa, what problem?
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18:06<pucallpa>infinitycircuit: problem with server x
18:06<infinitycircuit>pucallpa, i'm sorry, you'll have to be more specific
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18:09<chealer>hi. do people with NB8P/GeForce 8600M GT get a kernel crash when logging out from a desktop environment back to a display manager, when using the nv driver on lenny?
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18:12<jthomas>I cannot send mail on my Debian Etch 4.0; i get errors with the Exim log not having permissions. Does anyone recognize this?
18:14<pucallpa>infinitycircuit: stay in part command and not graphic!
18:14<infinitycircuit>pucallpa, what kind of graphics card do you have?
18:15<infinitycircuit>and it seems like english is not your first language so you might want to try a localized channel
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18:17<pucallpa>yes, but you knows so much!
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18:17<infinitycircuit>miguel, you want
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18:18<infinitycircuit>pucallpa, please read the topic
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18:19<infinitycircuit>" /msg bots NOT people | "
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18:21<infinitycircuit>pucallpa, please paste the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:24<glasya>Is there a program that will allow you to do a "ls <dir>" style lookup on a web directory?
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18:25<glasya>As in "lsweb" would list the contents of wallpaaper/imagens on that website ?
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18:26<infinitycircuit>glasya, there is a perl module that can do something like that which is used by uscan
18:26<ravenwood>how can I adjust my touchpad sensitivity on my laptop? I am running debain lenny beta 2
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18:26<drone77>modprobe do multiple modules at once?
18:26<glasya>infinitycircuit, thanks, I'll look into it
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18:34<ravenwood>can someone help my configure my laptop's touchpad???
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18:44<enouf>ravenwood: maybe poke around the sites mentioned in /msg dpkg laptop
18:44<enouf>ravenwood: or look up xorg config docs .. dunno myself, sorry
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18:45<dpkg>it has been said that touchpad is Touchpads are usually PS/2, set them up in X on /dev/psaux, proto IMPS/2, or ask about <synaptics>
18:45<dpkg>rumour has it, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see
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18:45<enouf>ravenwood: see those? ^^^^^^^
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18:45<ravenwood>yep enouf
18:45<ravenwood>thanks for the help!!!
18:46<enouf>that's all i know .. hope you find a solution
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19:15<widget>has anyone tried enabling kgdb in the 2.6.26 kernel? no matter what options I select, the kernel just goes ahead an boots up! :S
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19:15<kurumin>td bm
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19:18<abrotman>say what?
19:19<lucas_amorim>hello, I am installing debian lenny from a usb stick. In the end of installation it tries to install grub but fails.. Switching to console 4 I can see the problem is: "Err lenny/main grub 0.97-46 Temporary fail resolving
19:19<lucas_amorim>but I have checked (by downloading something via wget) that the connection to the internet is working
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19:19<lucas_amorim>What may be causing this issue?
19:20<lucas_amorim>What should I do?
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19:21<widget>lucas_amorim: fix your name servers? use the ip
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19:21<lucas_amorim>by editing sources.list?
19:22<widget>well it's odd that you can't resolve the hostname
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19:23<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you could try a different mirror in sources.list or try a different name server in /etc/resolv.conf
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19:25<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I can access the mirror from this other machine by using iceweasel. So, I don't think the problem is the mirror, but maybe the name server. How can I try a different name server?
19:25<lucas_amorim>i mean, where can I see a list of other name servers?
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19:26<Nemoder>if the nameserver provided by your isp doesn't work you can try a public one, search google
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19:32<widget>lucas_amorim: try
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19:35<margiolas>how i can change my machine name?
19:36<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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19:50<lucas_amorim>hello, I am back
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19:51<lucas_amorim>still trying to figure out that issue
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19:55<lucas_amorim>how can I install grub manually?
19:55<enouf>lucas_amorim: nameservers are listed usually in /etc/resolv.conf
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19:55<enouf>lucas_amorim: maybe try using is it?
19:55<dmoerner>!tell lucas_amorim -about grub
19:55<enouf>!rescue mode
19:55<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see
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19:56<enouf>lucas_amorim: and
19:57<enouf>i mean specifically ;-)
19:57<enouf>will someone please smack condeleeza rice upside the head? thank you
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20:01<lucas_amorim>then, should I reboot and try the recovery mode?
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20:05<windio00>What do i need to do to organize a Debian Day?
20:05<windio00>we're having a barcamp anyway that day
20:08<petemc>contact your local lug
20:09<windio00>yeah im it for arranging debian days
20:09<petemc>further than that, it would be like herding cats
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20:09<windio00>canonical sent me stuff for the hardy release to share with people
20:09<windio00>like posters and such
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20:11<windio00>trying to think of something we can do
20:11<windio00>or just send it to the lug mailing list for ideas
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20:12<windio00>it is this Aug 16 i think
20:12<windio00>according to
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20:15<margiolas>how i can change fqdn?
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20:22<lucas_amorim> isn't there any kind of boot parameters where I can tell it to boot from /dev/sda?
20:23<abrotman>in grub
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20:32<windio00>when are they going to update the debian day logo? its in three days
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21:28<pirunga>hi, I was thinking why when I try to purge libswfdec-0.6-90 aptitude try to remove all gnome, I dont believe that gnome really need swf decoders to work, I was used to archlinux, this package systems is weird, I need help please...
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21:40<enouf>!smack conde
21:40*dpkg smacks conde upside the head.
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21:42<Jibblit>anyone ever try to install on a powerbook?
21:44<h2-gw>pirunga, and if you use apt-get remove libswfdec-0.6 what happens?
21:44<enouf>Jibblit: there's docs on IIRC
21:45<pirunga>hw-gw: it will try to remove this: gnome gnome-desktop-environment libswfdec-0.6-90 swfdec-gnome swfdec-mozilla
21:45<h2-gw>apt-get or aptitude?
21:45<h2-gw>did you try this with both?
21:45<h2-gw>or just aptitude?
21:45<pirunga>h2-gw, both
21:45<pirunga>same result
21:45<pirunga>want a paste?
21:45<h2-gw>no, I believe you
21:46<h2-gw>I guess it's a core dependency, but it doesn't show as that in stable/etch
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21:46<h2-gw>I don't use gnome though
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21:46<pirunga>I want to use macromedia flash plugin, my firefox crash in youtube
21:46<h2-gw>why not flashplugin-nonfree
21:46<h2-gw>that works fine
21:46<h2-gw>youtube is fine in it
21:46<h2-gw>if you run sid
21:47<h2-gw>if not, add multimedia sources and use the other flash deb
21:47<pirunga>h2-gw, I am on lenny
21:47<h2-gw>then add multimedia
21:47<Jibblit>enouf: heh, i wish i had a mac that new- mines a wallstreet powerbook g3 o.O
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21:47<h2-gw>I can't remember the package name, it's someting like mozillaflash-plugin
21:47<h2-gw>it works fine
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21:48<pirunga>h2-gw, I dont have this nonfree on apt-cache search list
21:49<h2-gw>you have to add it
21:49<h2-gw>I don't know the factoids here though
21:49<pirunga>h2-gw, just saw it
21:49<h2-gw>debian-multimedia is the repo
21:50<pirunga>h2-gw, I am used to archlinux, we really configure all things , this new aproach is interesting
21:50<h2-gw>pirunga, well
21:50<h2-gw>debian is about apt imo
21:50<h2-gw>so if you want apt, you want debian
21:50<h2-gw>if you don't, you might want somethign else, like slack or arch
21:50<pirunga>h2-gw, archlinux have pacman, in my opinion is a quite better, but I am trying to understand how debian works,
21:51<enouf>Jibblit: i see, well , read the installation guide for powerpc arch and perhaps a #debianppc or -ppc channel, here or on
21:51<h2-gw>pirunga, I seriously doubt pacman is better than apt
21:51<h2-gw>apt is incredibly robust
21:51<h2-gw>capable of amzing things re updates and upgrades
21:51<pirunga>h2-gw, pacman is too... try it someday,
21:51<h2-gw>pirunga, as soon as debian fails I'll look for something else, heh
21:52<pirunga>h2-gw, where I put that multimedia thing?
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21:52<h2-gw>pirunga, I suggest you do yourself a favor and read up a bit on debian's apt system
21:52<pirunga>debian-multimedia where I add this?
21:52<pirunga>h2-gw, ^^ ok ok...
21:52<h2-gw>before making any conclusions about it
21:52<h2-gw>heh heh
21:52<enouf>Jibblit: [dpkg] Factoid search of 'powermac' by value (12): newworld ;; #debianppc ;; debianppc ;; oldworld ;; g3 ;; ybin ;; oxymoron ;; mac-fdisk ;; apple_bootstrap ;; nvsetenv ;; openfirmware ;; quik.
21:53<h2-gw>pirunga, you add the repo, using the correct syntax, to /etc/apt/sources.list
21:53<pirunga>h2-gw, ty
21:53<h2-gw>or you can cheat and use somthing like
21:53<h2-gw>all in one, zip zoom done
21:53<enouf>Jibblit: /msg dpkg <keyword> for a few of those - but be careful, some might be outdated, or dead
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21:56<h2-gw>pirunga, and hopefully you're using iceweasel in debian
21:57<h2-gw>it integrates better than using the mozilla installer of firefox
21:57<pirunga>h2-gw, hummm
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22:04<pirunga>h2-gw, if I change my repository from a br ftp to the main ftp server I will get troubles with i18n ?
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22:05<h2-gw>there are many mirrors, find one close to where you live that's fast
22:06<h2-gw> might be good, though slow lately during day
22:06<h2-gw>don't know southamerican ones at all
22:06<pirunga>h2-gw, for some reason I cant reach my near ftp server right now, so I changed xD
22:06<h2-gw>that's good in evening and night
22:06<h2-gw>very fast
22:07<pirunga>h2-gw, ?
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22:07<h2-gw>I think so, yes
22:07<h2-gw>i can't remember, i never do this stuff manually anymore, I have it all scripted
22:07<lemurmon>abrotman: would it be possible to forward all http traffic to my computer to a virtual machine running apache?
22:07<h2-gw>yes, that's it
22:07<pirunga>h2-gw, yeah its better
22:08<h2-gw>have fun
22:08<abrotman>lemurmon: depends you connect to the vm
22:08<h2-gw>try the extras script
22:08<h2-gw>after it runs, read it, and you'll have a slightly better idea of how debian works
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22:10<lemurmon>abrotman: sorry. i don't understand
22:11<abrotman>can you route to it?
22:11<abrotman>if you can route to it .. you should be able to
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22:14<lemurmon>dunno anything about routing
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22:16<william>isp will not let me host is there a way around this
22:16<h2-gw>william, pointe/route to a different port than 80, but if they catch you they are totally within their rights to cut your service
22:17<william>so i guess that means no work around
22:17<h2-gw>you can host all you want
22:17<h2-gw>but that's the risk
22:18<h2-gw>it's not really worth it when you can get ok hosting for a few dollars a month, or bad hosting for free
22:18<william>ok i set my port forwarding to my apache server internal ip and then can not see my webpage from outside of home network
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22:18<lemurmon>what's your ip?
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22:19<pirunga>h2-gw, u know how can I make that all flash on utube just run without I need to click on them? all my flash stuff appears like a big grey play icon
22:19<william>i have the ports closed now thought i would start from scratch
22:19<h2-gw>pirunga, when you do it the debian way, flash just works
22:19<h2-gw>no issues or problems
22:19<h2-gw>I can't tell you more
22:19<pirunga>h2-gw, debian way Oo, can u explain it to me?
22:20<h2-gw>if you put in firefox, dump it
22:20<h2-gw>if you downloaded adobe flash installer, dump it
22:20<h2-gw>remove it
22:20<pirunga>h2-gw, I dont download anything without apt
22:20<h2-gw>then do it: aptitude install iceweasel
22:20<h2-gw>if you don't have it
22:20<pirunga>and I use iceweasel
22:20<william>h2-gw what are some bad free host sites and why are they called bad
22:20<h2-gw>then: install the flash package
22:20<h2-gw>william, hosting costs money, therefore any free hosting is bad
22:21<h2-gw>by definition, how can it be anything other than bad if you don't give them money?
22:21<pirunga>h2-gw, lenny came with a package and it is strange
22:21<william>h2-gw i understand what about bittorrent
22:22<h2-gw>william, lol, bittorrent is a globally distributed network of people just like you
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22:22<h2-gw>it uses the internet itself, and then some sites track torrents etc
22:22<dmoerner>h2-gw, you make it sound like a dating service haha
22:22<lemurmon>i got this error message when i tried to install a package "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" should i just look for an alternative?
22:22<william>ok to do what trade wav files or can it be used to port into my webpage
22:23<h2-gw>william, a web server is a physical computer somewhere, that pays to access the internet, ie bandwidth, pays for hard disks, ie disk space
22:23<h2-gw>and requies maintenance
22:23<h2-gw>routers, data centers usually
22:23<h2-gw>these things aren't free, each costs money
22:24<william>ok thank you
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22:24<lemurmon>so about that warning...?
22:24<dmoerner>lemurmon, what package? did you add something to /etc/apt/sources.list without adding a gpg keyring?
22:25<dmoerner>lemurmon, did you add a keyring but fail to run aptitude update afterwards?
22:26<lemurmon>i get the message for both kpdf and xpdf
22:26<h2-gw>pirunga, you'll figure it out, but you might have to break an install or two first, i think most of us have
22:26<lemurmon>maybe it's for ghostscript
22:26<dmoerner>lemurmon, do you have debian-archive-keyring installed, and have you run aptitude update without errors
22:26<lemurmon>probably not
22:27<lemurmon>i have run apt-update several times with no errors
22:28<lemurmon>yeah. it was the keyring
22:30<pirunga>h2-gw, here look at this, I want to remove this big grey thing I want that it auto play
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23:18<Vi^3PP>i have a lenny install with LAMP from the lenny repo... for some reason i cant even get a simple hello.php file to work and ive tried chown the /var/www from root to www-data but this is not working... phpmyadmin and webmin do work ... an added note is that i must use port 8080 and think i have apache set up correctly.. can anyone help me
23:19<Vi^3PP>the err being generated is 403 forbidden
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23:29<bighornram>hi, could someone help troubleshoot a built-in VGA web camera (dell xps m1330). I find various posts indicating it works out of the box but mine isn't working. How do I troubleshoot it?
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23:46<chealer>!tell bighornram about doesn't work
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23:59<lemurmon>someone take a look at my network setup. it seems a little excessive. i was just trying to setup a bridge between the host and the guest so I could forward a port from the host to the guest.
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