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00:34<gnomefreak>hi how can I create a static LAN ip on debian?
00:34<gnomefreak> like this
00:34<Nemoder>man interfaces
00:34<gnomefreak>man interfaces?
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00:34<gnomefreak>more details please?
00:35<Nemoder>that is a command to read the manual for network interfaces
00:35<tcsetattr>you read the entire man page that fast and you're already asking for more details? impressive
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00:36<gnomefreak>what are you talking about?
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00:51<gnomefreak>does this method work?
00:51<gnomefreak>I get a duplicate interface error
00:51<gnomefreak>after I restart it
00:53<franklin>gnomefreak, the "interfaces" manpage has all the details.
00:54<gnomefreak>how do I view this thing
00:55<mawes>type 'man interfaces' in a shell, bash, whatever
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00:56<franklin>gnomefreak, BTW, it's such a weired idea to use static IP !
00:56<gnomefreak>how so?
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00:56<franklin>tell your dhcp server to reserve an IP for your machine.
00:58<gnomefreak>...Im not a networks person
00:58<gnomefreak>could you tell me how to do this please?
00:58<gnomefreak>my router keeps changing my LAN ip
00:58<gnomefreak>which is very annoying
00:58<gnomefreak>is there a better way to fix this situation other than static LAN ip?
00:59<franklin>gnomefreak, go to the configuration menu of your router, then in the DHCP section. You will have to enter the enter the MAC address of your machine, and the desired static IP address for it.
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01:00<franklin>gnomefreak, yes, by telling your router to always provide the same IP address ;)
01:01<franklin>gnomefreak, although, some router don't have such option.
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01:02<newsense>juust set a static ip within your subnet and outside your dhcp pool
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01:03<gnomefreak>my router doesn't provide such option
01:03<newsense>other clients will enjoy dhcp you get your statici p
01:03<gnomefreak>I already tried it
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01:03<franklin>gnomefreak, I feel like going to bed, so if you don't succeed in reconfiguring your router, you can still use static IP.
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01:03<newsense>gnomefreak: ya did something wrong
01:03<gnomefreak>what did I do wrong?
01:03<franklin>gnomefreak, what is the brand and model of your router ?
01:04<gnomefreak>some cheap ass thing my ISP gave me
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01:04<newsense>gnomefreak: if your router cant assign a certain ip to a certain mac via dhcp and ya need it for other clients ya got 1 option
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01:04<gnomefreak>could you help me with that option please?
01:05<newsense>set a static ip within your subnet and outside your dhcp pool
01:05<gnomefreak>because I REALLY need this
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01:05<gnomefreak>could you guide me please?
01:05<gnomefreak>can I show you what I did
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01:05<gnomefreak>so far? on patebin
01:05<tcsetattr>show your interfaces file
01:05<newsense>what ip addressing scheme does your lan use ?
01:05<franklin>good night
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01:05<gnomefreak>* is the wildcard
01:06<newsense>1.1 being gateway ?
01:06<gnomefreak>it changes every 3 days..soo annoying
01:06<newsense>or router
01:06<gnomefreak>1.1 is gateway
01:06<newsense>ok and dhcp pool ?
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01:06<newsense>im guessing
01:06<gnomefreak>I want to set the amount to like 25
01:07<gnomefreak>is this possible?
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01:07<newsense>dont wanna set a static ip dhcp will deal out
01:07<newsense>set it in your router dhcp setup
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01:08<gnomefreak>DHCP Range: thru
01:08<newsense>ok so set your static ip to
01:08<newsense>pick one
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01:09<Juan_____>any work with gdal?
01:11<gnomefreak>is what I have so far newsense
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01:12<newsense>thought ya said you were using 192.168.2.* addresses ?
01:12<gnomefreak>* was the number that changes all the time
01:12<newsense> <newsense> ok so set your static ip to
01:12<newsense><newsense> ok so set your static ip to
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01:13<gnomefreak>really how do you do that
01:13<newsense>] <gnomefreak> DHCP Range: thru
01:14<gnomefreak>Im a tad confused
01:14<gnomefreak>what are you asking me to do?
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01:15<newsense>what ip does your router use ?
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01:16<newsense>your clouding the situation
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01:16<newsense>ok does your router handle dhcp at all ?
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01:17<gnomefreak>hmm I don't think so
01:17<newsense>ok so i thought your original problem was dhcp and static ip related
01:18<newsense>i got no time for this bullshit
01:18<gnomefreak>my problem is that my LAN keeps changing
01:18<gnomefreak>ty ill keep trying
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01:28<_NiC>Is there a way to run apt-get with -s and still have it download packages (with -d)?
01:28<_NiC>I want the Inst and Conf-lines outputted along with the rest
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01:31<lemurmon>hey. i'm looking for an app that will write random data or zeros to blank space
01:31<_NiC>lemurmon: /dev/random, /dev/urandom, /dev/zero
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01:36<blarson>lemurmon: combinined with cp or dd
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01:41<simi>hi, i need a link to an how to install sudo? i can't run kate as root from shell i get an error and i belive that i must use kdesu
01:41<_NiC>simi, if you have the rights, sudo kate should work
01:42<simi>and something strange the command mount -t auto /dev/...... works in arch and kubuntu but not in debian, -t auto is not suported, why?
01:43<_NiC>simi, try removing -t alltogether
01:44<simi>_NiC: i will need to set sudo and kdesu is recomanded for graphical application or gksudo, sometimes sudo doe's not wrk
01:44<_NiC>sudo always work, gksudo and such are just graphical frontends
01:45<_NiC>depends where you want the prompt, in a terminal or not. Use what you prefer.
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01:46<simi>_NiC: that is not true,kdesu is difrent from sudo, it sets some X stuff, it is recomanded to use kdesu for graphical application, in fact this is correct, sudo is not correct, and some program will crash
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01:47<_NiC>simi, well, yeah, if you don't have a terminal, sudo won't make sense.
01:48<jm_>no, mount -t auto works just fine in Debian
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01:52<_NiC>simi, so don't use sudo then.
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01:53<simi>_NiC: yes i do not use it because it happened to me all the time with kat, but all should know this and sugest to others the correct way
01:57<jm_>simi: check the logs
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02:03<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How do I run a normal program as a daemon?
02:04<jm_>which normal program? screen or nohup shall help
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02:08<_NiC>ghostlydeath|laptop, you can also take a look at daemon maybe
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02:11<jm_>start-stop-daemon also has -b option which can be used in some cases
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03:02<hachi>I've got a box here that's panicing during the installer. Partitioner is creating ext3 on an LVM VG, and then my keyboard starts the two-light blink to indicate it has paniced
03:02<hachi>I can reproduce, but how do I get the installer to let me see the panic message?
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03:16<[Kebianizao|work]>why lenny/main Packages is taken as release o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian,c=main? and not a=lenny?
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03:17<jm_>what is "a="?
03:19<hachi>o is origin
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03:20<jm_>[Kebianizao|work]: where do you see this output?
03:20<hachi>he's talking about apt_preferences pinning, probably
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03:20<Student>i am trying to connect my broad band connection via lan
03:21<Student>but i am having difficulties in doing so
03:21<hachi>[Kebianizao|work]: if you want to tie to lenny, then you tie with v=something
03:21<hachi>oh... except it doesn't have a version number yet I bet
03:22<Student>kindly guide me if possible how to connect to a interenet server via LAN
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03:23<Student>well :)
03:23<jm_>but Release file for lenny doesn't have Archive line, must be taken from somewhere else
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03:24<Student>any one knowledgeable regarding the issue i am talking about?
03:25<jm_>Student: you need details from your ISP first
03:25<Student>i have got the details like userid and password
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03:25<Student>they also provide a dialer for windows
03:25<jm_>that's not enough, it needs to specify connection type and so on
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03:25<Student>i have got the name of the server to connect to
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03:26<Student>well it requires me to connect via MS-Chap V2
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03:26<Student>i have tried to connect via pptp but authentication failed
03:26<Student>in my opinion i am not configuring the files at my end correctly
03:27<jm_>is it pppoe?
03:27<hachi>[Kebianizao|work]: you're spying on the wrong release file
03:27<Student>pon blue debug dumb logfd 2 nodetach
03:27<Student>i am using this with su -c option
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03:28<Kebianizao|work>jm_: yes, sorry, It's about pinning. I got that for apt-cache policy
03:28<hachi>wrong Release file
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03:28<hachi>this one does have an archive line
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03:28<Student>i have tried to configure few files before that like ---> /etc/ppp/chap-secrets
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03:29<Kebianizao|work>hachi: umm, I see, so the problem comes from the Release file, right?
03:29<Student>---> /etc/ppp/peers/blue
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03:30<Student>i have tried to read the man pptp and did few things , but it is such a huge utility with lots of options
03:30<Student>well jm_ are you with me? :)
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03:30<Kebianizao|work>hachi: who to report?
03:30<hachi>that's why you have to pin with a=testing, and not a=lenny
03:30<hachi>there is no problem to report
03:31<Kebianizao|work>hachi: isn't that wrong?
03:31<hachi>no, cause lenny is testing currently
03:31<Kebianizao|work>so that will change as soon as lenny is release, right?
03:31<Student>can i find any proper website about using different options and setting up pptp?
03:32<Kebianizao|work>then I gues mine's a wishlist :P
03:32<hachi>once lenny is released you would pin to it as whatever v= for the version line it will be
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03:32<Kebianizao|work>I see
03:33<hachi>I can't say for certain, but this sort of thing feels like a 'wontfix' if you report it as a 'bug'
03:33<Student>some one kindly guide me how to use pptp , thanx
03:33<jm_>Student: no, I am not really familiar with pptp, only ppp/pppoe
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03:33<Student>ok jm_ thanx
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03:34<Kebianizao|work>hachi: that would deserve some discussion, IMHO, what if I'm so confident in Debian that I want to install a prerelease of a stable release (lenny right now)?
03:34<jm_>Student: let me see something
03:34<Student>ok jm_
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03:35<hachi>you don't need pinning to do that
03:35<hachi>you just add the lines to your sources.list and upgrade, or install, or whatever
03:35<jm_>Student: enable debugging for pppd and check what server returns for "auth chap..."
03:36<Kebianizao|work>hachi: yes, maybe I'm too demanding
03:36<hachi>I dunno really
03:36<hachi>your choice, really
03:37<hachi>maybe you can say 'codename='
03:37<hachi>maybe it's just not documented
03:37<Student>ok jm_ right now the server is offline , i will try that as soon as server is availaible
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03:39<Student>jm_ is there any other way i can connect to the server other than pptp?
03:40<jm_>Student: pppd supports mschap
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03:41<Student>mschap v2?
03:41<Student>actually pptp internally uses pppd for the connection
03:41<jm_>it supports regular chap and mschap80 - debug would show you which type your sever uses
03:41<Student>my server is using mschap v2
03:42<jm_>that could be mschap80
03:43<Student>all i need to do is to find a way to implement VPN
03:43<Student>that is all
03:43<Student>either by pptp or pppd or IPSEC
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03:50<jm_>what does VPN have to do with this?
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03:51<Student>is there different b/w sudo and su "" commands?
03:51<Student>well i dial to a VPN server
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03:51<jm_>yes, sudo is more flexible
03:51<Student>and i am looking for configuring a client that will connect me to the VPN server
03:52<Student>well are the password different for sudo and su? :)
03:52<hachi>in the default configs sudo prompts you for the current user's password, and su prompts you for root's password
03:52<Student>cauz i am having incorrect password error
03:52<hachi>sudo is far more flexible
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03:52<hachi>but, sudo won't let you gain root unless you're in the sudoers file
03:52<hachi>amazingly, all of this is documented
03:52<jm_>yeah sudo requires password from the user executing it, su requires the target user's password
03:53<jm_>ok I am just repeating :)
03:53<Student>ummm hachi how can i produce a user in a sudoer file? :)
03:53<Kebianizao|work>hachi: you serious? :P
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03:54<Student>hey jm thanx for the link , looks to be very helpful in my case
03:54<hachi>Student: you have to have sufficient privileges to do it
03:54<hachi>typically speaking... you need to be root first
03:54<jm_>Student: you can read about mschap there, also this one is helpful
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03:55<Student>well i have the root privilege
03:55<jm_>Student: man sudoers
03:55<Student>ummmm very helpful link jm, Thanx :)
03:55<Student>ok jm let me check the man
03:56<jm_>it tells you how to edit it (at the end)
03:56<Student>light at the end of tunnel :)
03:56*Kebianizao|work wonders if jm_ has a link machine os smth like that
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03:57<superlinux>how can i list the logged-in users to a samba domain?
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04:00<jm_>try smbstatus
04:01<superlinux>jm_, i wanna make use of samba as a net cafe manager with a php database accounting and management tool
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04:03<superlinux>i think it should work. do you think so?
04:03<jm_>I have no idea, samba does have support to work as PDC so in theory it's of course possible
04:04<jm_>(assuming your machines will be windows - why else use samba?)
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04:10<superlinux>jm_, OF COURSE MATE!
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04:12<superlinux>but is my cafe we sell cards having pin numbers.. they have a time share/qouta, so i want the user logged out on the time the qouta ends
04:22<Student>where is gui based "Network Configuration" in debian?
04:22<superlinux>so how can i kick the users from the domain and make them, logged off?
04:23<Student>sounds like a programming superlinux
04:24<Student>first you need to have the databse of your cards
04:24<superlinux>Student, i know that
04:24<Student>and then a program to check the elapsed time and remaining time
04:25<Student>how do they connect to your server?
04:25<superlinux>but want the command that logsout the user
04:25<Student>umm well
04:26<superlinux>if it were unix, it would be esier
04:28<Kebianizao|work>Student: I dont' think there's a unified debian tool, but I know some tools for kde
04:29<superlinux>Student, learn how to write in /etc/network/interfaces
04:29<superlinux>man interfaces
04:29<Student>i understand how to manually configure different files
04:30<Student>but on a website it was also telling the route via gui tools
04:30<Student>that is why i asked if i was missing something
04:30<Student>thanx any way :)
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04:40<jm_>Student: there's network manager
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05:08<liorc>Hi. My machine has been hacked, and I have several questions regarding how to proceed. The hack started by exploiting a recently found Joomla (CMS) bug, which allowed the hacked to gain Admin access for the Joomla site. From there, he continued and changed some PHP files.
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05:09<liorc>rkhunter logs show changes of the md5's of w, who, ps, kill, w.procps, watch, top, vmstat, adduser
05:10<liorc>Does it tell for sure that he gained root access?
05:10<weasel>you need to reinstall from known good media.
05:10<weasel>which kernel were you running?
05:10<liorc>how can I compare a files md5 agains the md5 in the original debian package?
05:10<liorc>2.6.26-1-amd64 (debian unstable).
05:11<weasel>interesting. any idea how they got root?
05:11<jm_>liorc: apt-cache show debsums
05:12<jm_>but like already pointed out, make sure your source md5sums are known good ones
05:12<weasel>you can't rely on anything on that host anymore.
05:12<weasel>why would you trust your md5sum tool?
05:13<liorc>That's the thing, I'm not sure he did. they started with the Joomla bug, then he could update articles in my DB. Then he used sql injection to gain access to the DB (I traced mysql binary log... they even deleted the user tables). But I'm not really sure he gained root access.
05:13<liorc>The only thing that shows he did are the rkhunter logs. There's a differece between the day before and the day after (for the above mentioned files...)
05:14<liorc>weasel: I guess you're right...
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05:16<liorc>It was so easy. Joomla reported the exploit at , 12 hours later my site was hacked. The hacked simply checked for the URL with the exploit in google, and found my site.
05:17<liorc>ASAIK there's no debian package for Joomla, so even if I wanted I couldn't upgrade so fast.
05:18<padski>liorc, a single admin can't keep up manually on their own.
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05:19<liorc>How can I find what package contains ps,top,who, etc?
05:19<jm_>!tell liorc -about search
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05:21<weasel>look, if there's even the slightest doubt then reinstalling is the only sane option
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05:22<liorc>I know..
05:22<liorc>time of the hard work.
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05:22<liorc>Thanks for the answers. bye
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05:32<meandtheshell1>hm ... outch ... would have been interesting if liorc used some sort of virtualization e.g. openvz to sort of contain the drama ... at least
05:33<padski>there are security issues with VMs as well, but yes, defence in depth.
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05:34<meandtheshell1>yep, just recently (2 days ago) VMware had issues ... however virtualization is not bug-free but then another burden to overcome for some cracker
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06:26<zett>Hi everyone
06:26<zett>How to get nVIDIA drivers ?
06:26<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
06:28<roop>hello everyone
06:29<roop>I've a problem with the xsession
06:29<roop>anyone could help me?
06:29<jm_>how about you explain it in detail?
06:30<zett>how to enable 3D acceleration ?
06:30<jm_>you need to install nvidia drivers for nvidia cards
06:31<roop>when I try to open it, with startx, I got a message saying 'impossible to write to /tmp, xsession will close
06:31<jm_>check permissions for /tmp
06:31<berto>roop: chmod 1777 /tmp
06:31<berto>as root
06:32<jm_>if that's not it it may be /tmp/.X11-unix dir
06:32<roop>I started the xsesssion 'til yesterday
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06:33<roop>then I worked with some .wav, maybe Sweep created any big temporary file
06:34<jm_>maybe your filesystem is full, check that too
06:34<roop>but I don't know where
06:34<roop>I checked, I can only use xsession as root
06:34<jm_>then it must be about permissions, see above
06:35<zett>dont know how to get drivers omg
06:35<jm_>dpkg told you where to get info
06:35<dpkg>jm_: i haven't a clue
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06:38<TheWanted>can some 1 help me to setup vnc on debian
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06:39<roop>there isn't a way to search the temp files generated from an application?
06:39<jm_>you can use strace
06:40<TheWanted>lo ?
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06:41<zett>apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common m-a prepare m-a auto-install nvidia
06:41<zett>doesnt work for me
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06:42<TheWanted>can some 1 help me to setup vnc on debian ? i got some problems coz i got DC while proccessing some commands
06:42<jm_>!tell zett -about doesn't work
06:42<zett>couldnt find package m-a
06:43<jm_>you need ; before m-a
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06:43<zett>what i need ?
06:43<roop>thanx jm_
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06:46<TheWanted>can some 1 help me to setup vnc on debian ? i got some problems coz i got DC while proccessing some commands
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06:46<zett>who can me help ?
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06:48<widget>does anyone know the system calls related to xattr operations?
06:48<drone77>zett, i believe it should be this apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common; m-a prepare; m-a auto-install nvidia
06:49<TheWanted>zett what u want to do ?
06:49<zett>i want install nvidiar drivers for 8600 GT
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06:54<zett>SO ??
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06:57<zett>other problem
06:57<zett>i cant change my time
06:57<zett>if i reboot time will be changed to bad time
06:58<jm_>!set time
06:58<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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06:58<weasel>zett: how bad?
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07:02<zett>what must change in etc/default/rcS ??
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07:12<zett>?? :(
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07:51<Student>hi all again
07:51<Student>the problem i am having is with pptp
07:52<Student>No response to 4 echo requests
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07:53<Student>and i get disconnected
07:53<Student>and Connection terminated
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07:54<Student>what should i do? :)
07:55<ogex>hi, how can I set default dictionary for aspell? dictionaries-common seem to overwrite my .emacs.
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08:26<jgoguen>Does block access to users behind proxy servers?
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08:27<jm_>jgoguen: not for me
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08:28<jgoguen>jm_: OK thanks, just wanted to rule that out before I start complaining to the ISP :)
08:29<jm_>jgoguen: but it's possible it behaves differently with other setups
08:30<jgoguen>jm_: Are you behind an open proxy? Or a proxy that all outbound connections get forced through?
08:31<jm_>jgoguen: neither - I use privoxy+squid on another Debian machine (I think our IT doesn't do any extra proxying - for a while we had some commercial crap which blocked all sort of stuff)
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08:33<jgoguen>jm_: Ahh...OK, the network I have troubles with forces all outbound connections through a proxy server. Don't know the name, but it's probably not free or open...
08:33<wnd>I wonder when the ipv6-patch will be enabled (read: fixed) for debian privoxy build
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08:53<mamato>ciao a tutti
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08:56<marras>I have a little doubt, I installed the latest fglrx driver from the ati website, and built the .deb packages, installed them, and everything ok
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08:57<marras>but, when I do an upgrade with aptitude it upgrades the packages fglrx-amdcccle, fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src
08:58<jm_>that's because you used stuff from ati's website
08:58<marras>if I try to upgrade those packages it says there are dependency problems and doesn't let me upgrade
08:59<marras>would you recommend me to uninstall the propietary driver and install the version from the repositories?¿
08:59<jm_>that is the recommended approach
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09:00<marras>but the one from the repository are still propietary drivers, isn't it?¿ How can it be a higher version?¿ I'm a little puzzled with this
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09:02<jm_>yes they are - it's because apt doesn't know anything about when using the ones from ATI site
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09:04<marras>mmmm, ok, I'll try with the ones from the repository and see how it does
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09:05<marras>Thank you very much for the help!!!!
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09:20<MotoHoss>I am forcing myself to use aptitude, 'finally' what's the difference between 'hold' and 'keep' ?
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09:21<simeon>Hold and keep -
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09:22<Kangel>tatotat, where are you?
09:23<tatotat>Kangel, seventh floor
09:23<simeon>keep is to cancel all current actions that aptitude wants to perform on the packages but then aptitude can upgrade them remove them etc.
09:23<simeon>hold on the other hand prevents aptitude from automatically updating and dealing with a package
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09:25<MotoHoss>ahh ok. got hit by a bug in a lenny package and the fix is uploaded in unstable... and until the new package gets there I want to 'hold' where I am am... on that package.
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09:27<MotoHoss>man aptitude says "The difference between hold and keep is that hold will cause a package to be ignored by future upgrade commands, while keep merely cancels any scheduled actions on the package."
09:27<MotoHoss>thanks simeon.
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09:31<onur>Hi. Can i build a package from packages dsc file?
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09:46<suiside>onur: the dsc file contains only the package description, the source tarball is downloaded separately if you install sources through apt
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10:23<darkness_>I'm trying to copy a file using ssh login to my debian (sarge) box from this mac on a lan network. I don't have cat, any ideas?
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10:24<petemc>unless the mac is pre osx, it should have cat
10:25<darkness_>Well i'm login into the debian box via ssh. Then trying to transfer a file to this mac/
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10:25<darkness_>Yes, it is osx
10:26<petemc>so you do have cat, and unless its 10.3 you should have scp too
10:27<darkness_>on the mac i do, yes.
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10:29<Hideo>darkness_: ssh user@debianbox "cat file.blah" > blah.blah
10:29<Hideo>that is if you don't already have scp
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10:34<hfdsx>Hi everyone, can anyone help me? i'm trying to use 'suspend to disk+soft reboot' instead of shutdown, is it possible?
10:35<darkness_>Hideo: Tks, will login and try.
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10:35<hfdsx>seems like no one knows it on the internets :D
10:36<hfdsx>tried on ubuntu, google, local forums.. nada!
10:36<hfdsx>*ubuntu room
10:37<hfdsx>is there anybody out there?
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10:37<ioloo>just installed the latest proftpd-sql on my debian and when uploading many files, it keeps giving me Timeout errors even on transfer
10:37<ioloo>any one know this?
10:38<hfdsx>ioloo, i think it's just you and me here..
10:38<hfdsx>knock knock?
10:38<petemc>whoes there
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10:38<hfdsx>interrupting cow!
10:39<ioloo>ping x)
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10:40<hfdsx>i think i'm the only dude out there trying to hibernate without turning his system off..
10:40<hfdsx>I'm spacial!
10:41<maddash>how is port bonding different from split access?
10:41<ioloo>gawd.. i can't upload Joomla, keeps timing out!
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10:45<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>rythmbox isn't starting
10:46<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>nvm, seems it was hidden, had to kill it
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10:48<darkness_>Hideo: Okay when i login to ssh machine i type in at the prompt. cat filename /users/darkness/Desktop/file Thing freaks out
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10:55<darkness_>so why would i get garbage scrolling when using cat?
10:55<petemc>binary file?
10:56<darkness_>could be.
10:56<petemc>what does file /users/darkness/Desktop/file say
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10:58<g0to>hello there, all
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10:59<g0to>I'm having problems to get mininst floppy images of lenny, anyone knows where can I find it?
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11:01<petemc>g0to: doesnt look as if joey has made any
11:02<g0to>petemc: I saw. Neither in lenny beta 2 or the weekly version
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11:02<darkness_>petemc: It is i believe an ethereal file. Would that make a dif?
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11:03<petemc>darkness_: why not use scp?
11:03<faris>does anyone know why the folder view in kde4 is so slow?
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11:03<darkness_>petemc: lets try.
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11:04<darkness_>petemc: i get cp: cannot create regular file `/Users/darkness/Desktop/booto': No such file or directory
11:05<petemc>show me the exact command you're using
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11:06<darkness_>scp filename /users/darkness/Desktop/booto
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11:07<Kloiahack^Linux>:-( help me..,,
11:07<kurumin>you state
11:07<Kloiahack^Linux>i have some problem..
11:08<Kloiahack^Linux>compiling gtk+ 2.12 had some errors..
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11:08<petemc>darkness_: i think you want scp file user@mac:.
11:08<Kloiahack^Linux>Pango Not Found. Pango built with with Cairo support is required.
11:08<petemc>darkness_: the mac must be running ssh
11:08<Kloiahack^Linux>to build GTK+.
11:09<Kloiahack^Linux>See Brah Brah Brah...
11:09<Kloiahack^Linux>im so sad...
11:09<Kloiahack^Linux>please.. help me..
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11:09<Kloiahack^Linux>i wanna use the ff3...
11:09<kurumin>no language usa
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11:10<petemc>Kloiahack^Linux: there should be firefox 3 packages already
11:10<Kloiahack^Linux>in the debian etch?
11:11<Kloiahack^Linux>oh, i will check it...
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11:20<Kloiahack^Linux>.... there is not the firefox3.... only firebird..
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11:21<g0to>maybe files are lost, like lenny miniinst floppy images
11:21<Kloiahack^Linux>oh.. :-(
11:21<petemc>Kloiahack^Linux: debian calls firefox iceweasel
11:22<Kloiahack^Linux>iceweasel too... don't have packages...
11:24<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: are you using stable, testing...?
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11:25<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: lastest version for etch is 2.x
11:26<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: try lenny if u want to try version 3, but I don't recomend you
11:26<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: check it out @
11:27<Kloiahack^Linux>well.. how about update gtk+ version?
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11:28*Kloiahack^Linux HanIRC는 끊음. 로 와서 #Kloiahack으로 오면 날 볼수 잇을듯.. 볼일 있으면 와줘요.
11:28<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: why? if you only want to update iceweasel to version 3 it will take no efects (to update gtk+, i mean)
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11:29<Kloiahack^Linux>ah.. but i don't want to use the lenny packages...
11:29<Kloiahack^Linux>because they are unstable..
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11:31<g0to>you can use testing packages only to get version 3 of iceweasel or watever package you want and still using stable
11:31<g0to>but, again, I don't recommend you
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11:32<Kloiahack^Linux>hmmmm....... i'm so an agony...
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11:33<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: why? there's no problem
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11:34<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: If you don't know how to do what you wanna do, learn it (google mainly)
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11:35<Kloiahack^Linux>Oh,, I See.. Thanks h0to...:-)
11:35<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: And if you feel you are not ready, still using version 2. There's no significant changes. By now, I prefer version 2
11:36<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: If you want to learn, maybe you can read some like this ->
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11:36<Kloiahack^Linux>oh.. Not Found..
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11:37<Kloiahack^Linux>ah.. not htm...
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11:37<g0to>Kloiahack^Linux: It is html. It works for me, check it.
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11:38<Kloiahack^Linux>It works! i'm so happy! Thank you! g0to! Your's very kind... :-)
11:38<g0to>you are wellcome
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11:43<lemurmon>this is the output of ifconfig on my box
11:44<lemurmon>those bridges are for virtualbox and they aren't functioning correctly.
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11:44<lemurmon>i think i want to restore everything back to the way it was by default
11:45<lemurmon>if someone that understands this could take a look at that paste i'd appreciate it.
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11:47<gsimmons>telmich: I wasn't able to CC you regarding #494936, the recipient address was rejected.
11:49<lemurmon>is there anything i need to do after restoring the original /etc/network/interfaces file?
11:49<lemurmon>what about destroying that bridge
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12:16<g0to>hi Marcin_M!
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12:34<bullshit>hi, i have been downloaded debian each 4,0r3 for amd64 and i have an HD sata and an VDV SATA, when i go to the step "detect and mount CDROM" i get lose, what i should write? because /dev/cdrom is not OK
12:34<bullshit>VDV =DVD
12:34<bullshit>and i want debian not lenny
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12:40<bighornram>I am unable to get rtl8187 driver to work with 2.6.25 kernel. Is there a known issue with this driver?
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12:41<lemurmon>what's it a driver for?
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12:41<lemurmon>bullshit: lenny is debian
12:41<bighornram>it works in 2.6.24
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12:42<bighornram>actually, rtl installed in 2.6.24
12:42<lemurmon>i dont use wireless
12:42<bighornram>but kernel has support in 2.6.25 but won't connect for me.
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12:46<bullshit>lemurmon i want each stable! not testing that´s why
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12:51<Q6600>Dear all. I'm before buying a Core2 Q6600 based system for hobby reasons, with 4x8Gb DDR2-533. I'll do lots of fun with virtual machines. Xen and/or VMWare.. Does Debian-64bit support this amount of RAM ?
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13:21<Ascavasaion>Hello all... if I had a system with say four partitions on hda. Initially it was a Windows machine (NTFS on hda1), then I installed Linux into hda3 and Linux swap into hda2 and hda4 just for stuff.
13:23<Ascavasaion>If I wanted to merge hda1, hda2, hda3 and hda4 into one large partition and put Linux there without reinstalling... How would I do that? Is there a way to make an image of the 12Gb partition with Linux onto it and then put it on to the merged 60GTb partition?
13:24<fxiny>Ascavasaion: using lvm2 ? apt-cache show lvm2
13:26<Ascavasaion>fxiny: Let me have a looksie.
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13:27<Ascavasaion>fxiny: Does that not merge different hard disks?
13:27<fxiny>Ascavasaion: yes , easy
13:28<Ascavasaion>fxiny: I do not want to merge hard disks... I want to create an image of my Linux partition and then merge all the partitions on one disk and then put linux back into the bigger partition.
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13:30<fxiny>Ascavasaion: you can use dd or cp or even mirrordir .i'd use cp/mirrordir . set lvm up clone your system . edit your new fstab , add the old partition to your volume
13:30<fxiny>no need to dd or to creare an image . just cp
13:31<fxiny>you want a live cd for it
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13:51<shze>hi, i set up pbuilder and tested it, and so far i could build everything i tried, but i cant build kmail(kde4)..
13:52<shze>i get Failed to fetch Size mismatch
13:52<shze>and Unable to correct for unavailable packages
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13:54<shze>i have installed this deb locally, but pbuilder stops with this error message. why?
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13:56<shze>does anybody can point me to a better place to ask?
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13:57<meebey>shze: sounds like a proxy or ftp mirror issue
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13:58<shze>meebey: i tried the master ftp, the de and the us mirror. no change..
13:58<meebey>shze: sure you updates the sources.list inside the pbuilder and ran update afterwards?
13:59<shze>meebey: yes, i created a new base.tgz after changing pbuilderrc ;)
13:59<meebey>hm maybe its an issue on the master ftp archive then
13:59<shze>how can i check if its an proxy issue? i havent set up one..
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14:00<meebey>well if there is no proxy configured in APT or your enviroment (check export) then that shouldnt be an issue
14:00<shze>no, apt has no proxy configured
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14:01<blarson>Unless your ISP forces one in the middle.
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14:01<meebey>Get:1 sid/main kdepimlibs-data 4:4.1.0-1 [157kB]
14:01<meebey>Fetched 157kB in 0s (545kB/s)
14:01<meebey>my apt was happy
14:01<meebey>so its not an issue on the master archive
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14:02<meebey>shze: might be that your ISP forces you to use a transparent proxy...
14:02<meebey>shze: you could try some other protocol like ftp...
14:02<shze>yeah, i wrote earlier than i could install the deb locally, but not in pbuilder
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14:02<meebey>shze: then it must be a pbuilder setup issue ;)
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14:03<shze>i try ftp :)
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14:07<cockroach>hmm, i tried to upgrade a sarge machine to etch (yes, finally) but got an error from slapd: "Loading from /var/backups/slapd-2.2.23-8:" "directory [..]... fixing, failed." - any idea?
14:08<cockroach>(no, not literally '[..]')
14:08<dmoerner>cockroach, please pastebin the entire error message
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14:10<dmoerner>hm this looks like a serious bug
14:10<dmoerner>you should make sure all of your slapd stuff is backed up
14:10<dmoerner>and then run
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14:11<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
14:11<dmoerner>apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install slapd
14:12<cockroach>okay, copied the whole /var/backups somewhere safe, trying this...
14:13<dmoerner>make sure you ahve the /etc/ stuff backed up too
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14:14<shze>same error message when switching to ftp protocol: Failed to fetch Size mismatch
14:14<cockroach>hrm, doesn't work, i guess i'll have to remove the backups first...
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14:15<shze>if its not the mirror and not the protocol, whats wrong with my pbuilder setup?
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14:17<cockroach>nope, no success, now it complains that the backup is gone. any more ideas other than --purge, reinstall and trying to manually import the data?
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14:17<dmoerner>cockroach, no, sorry, i don't have any more ideas. you should be sure to file a bug about this though
14:18<cockroach>well, it might be a little hard to reproduce. and i won't be able to leave the system in this state because it's a semi-production thing..
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14:19<dmoerner>cockroach, well obviously do what you need to fix it now
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14:26<shze>does anybody have an idea why i get "Failed to fetch Size mismatch" is pbuilder?
14:27<cockroach>dmoerner: thanks for your help, btw :)
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14:31<dmoerner>shze, are you sure this isn't a mirror problem?
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14:31<shze>i can install the deb with apt locally...
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14:32<shze>and i tried the master, de, and us mirrors with same results..
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15:08<Kloiahack^Linux>wow.. so hot!
15:08<Engywuck>whoß me?
15:09<rio>hey,guys,which country are you from?
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15:09<Kloiahack^Linux>ho~ :-)
15:14<rio>excuse me,when i use pidgin ,it always closed abruptly when i'm typing ,showing segmentation fault,who can help me?
15:14<Engywuck>where do you type in?
15:16<onur>Hi. I am trying to build my own ffmpeg package. But it's giving error: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/ (used by debian/ffmpeg/usr/lib/ Do you have any idea?
15:16<rio>Engywuck:when i'm typing msg,i mean just using it legally...
15:17<Engywuck>oops, you meant the program pidgin ^^#
15:17<rio>Engywuck:yeah,you know,it's annoying...
15:17<Engywuck>what segfault error is it?
15:17<Engywuck>some segfaults are caused by faulty hardware
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15:18<rio>i don't know...only when using pidgin
15:19<rio>...besides,i'm a chinese beginner in linux,haha
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15:21<EmleyMoor>My Debian box is no longer taking any notice of my USB headset - what can I try, short of rebooting, to fix it?
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15:24<EmleyMoor>Damn, it's going to have to be a reboot
15:24<rio>have you install any drivers recently?
15:25<rio>or only compile your kernel ?
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15:25<rio>how long is it since your last reboot?
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15:27<rio>ok,it late ,3am now in my place,bye
15:27<EmleyMoor>The machine is choking on USB
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15:28<EmleyMoor>Last reboot 11 days ago when it locked out because someone pulled the trackball out
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15:33<onur>I am trying to use --ignore-missing-info param for dpkg-shlibdeps in my package's rules file with: dh_shlibdeps -uignore-missing-info. But it's saying: objdump: 'ignore-missing-info': No such file and dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/ (used by debian/ffmpeg/usr/lib/ Why --uignore-missing-info
15:33<onur>doesn't working?
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15:47<SaintK>Hi, I upgraded my server mobo/cpu, and everything seems to be working fine accept for the onboard NIC's. Their 2 Intel Pro/1000 NIC's. When i do a ifconfig it only shows my local loopback. I have configured /etc/network/interfaces correctly. Any tips on what i could do ?
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15:51<notlemurmon>have you tried to manually bring your interface up?
15:52<SaintK>notlemurmon: Yes, i tried ifup eth0
15:52<SaintK>and then it tells me it cannot find the device
15:52<SaintK>or incorrect parameters
15:53<notlemurmon>ifconfig eth0 up <<---------have you tried this?
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15:53<SaintK>no, is that differant from ifup eth0 ?
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15:54<SaintK>(i need to switch my mem the whole time while testing, so its a bit difficult to try it at once)
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16:01<cnclinux>boa tarde a todos !
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16:01<cnclinux>alguém aqui trabalho com gerenciamento de servidor de email em qmail?
16:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:02<SaintK>notlemurmon: Any other tips before i turn off this pc, switch mem and boot up the server again to test?
16:03<drone77>SaintK, ifconfig -a to list devices?
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16:04<SaintK>cheers, gonna reboot and try, brb
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16:06<elitefor1e>what does that [x Package rred <increasing number] output of apt-get update mean?
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16:12<newsense>got a belkin usb wireless adapter f5d7050 that says version b but lsusb says version a, not sure what module to use
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16:18<eliteforce>is there a tool, or script, to show all recommended packages of all installed packages?
16:18<Flimzy>apt-cache search . :)
16:19<Flimzy>that will show every available package (which is nearly the same thing as what you're requesting... hehe)
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16:20<newsense>got a usb wireless adapter and not sure what module to load, any help ?
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16:21<cahoot>if you produce its usbid
16:21<eliteforce>Flimzy: eh, did you even read my question?
16:21<Flimzy>I was being semi-sarcastic.
16:22<cahoot>or rather google on its usib
16:23<eliteforce>Flimzy: but it doesn't make any sense what you wrote
16:23<Flimzy>sorry, ignore me then.
16:23<Flimzy>It wouldn't be helpful anyway
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16:26<eliteforce>Flimzy: oh well; sorry, I'm slow today ;)
16:26<webmind-org>newsense just try a or b, you should probably begin with module b
16:26<newsense>Belkin F5D7050B
16:26<newsense>* Driver : rt73
16:26<newsense>* Chipset: Ralink 2570
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16:27<eliteforce>Flimzy: dpkg-query --show --showformat='${Recommends}\n'|sort|less is a beginning.
16:27<Flimzy>eliteforce: Nah, blame me. I'm sleepy. I'm still jetlagged from flying from GMT+530 back to GMT-500
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16:28<newsense>will that card adapter work in debian
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16:28<webmind-org>i'm not sure
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16:29<eliteforce>newsense: apt-cache show rt2500-source
16:29<eliteforce>newsense: see the rt2x00 project page for compatibility info
16:30<newsense>sacool thanks
16:30<newsense>sounds good
16:30<newsense>fun part will be setting it up tp connect to my wlan at boot using wpa
16:31<newsense>if i get it to load first haha
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16:32<eliteforce>uh yeah, wpa could be fun ;)
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16:32<newsense>what tools do i need to set it up ?
16:32<newsense>i loaded an existing module and looks like that might have done it
16:33<eliteforce>now that's funny, some package recommends libparse-debianchangelog-perl, the description of that package says "Replacement for the very limited dpkg-parsechangelog" - dpkg-parsechangelog? where can I find that, hehe
16:33<Porti>hi, ive a little problem with my etch (2.6.18). ive installed 2gb of ram but only 906mb shown and used. but on boot or dmesg | grep HIGHMEM i dont get the warning that ive to install an highmem kernel. anyone can help me pls?
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16:34<Felipe>hey can somebody helpl me with a issue plz
16:34<eliteforce>Porti: afaik highmem is for lots of gigabytes of ram :P
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16:34<Porti>i dont think so...
16:34<Felipe>i want to know how can i get the instalation path of my Konqueror on Knopix
16:35<eliteforce>Porti: cat /proc/meminfo |grep MemTotal
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16:35<Porti>MemTotal: 906792 kB
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16:36<Porti>there's missing 1100mb
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16:36<newsense>how can i tell if the right module is loaded for my wireless adapter ?
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16:36<cahoot>use another kernel - like a 686
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16:37<eliteforce>Porti: and when bootin up the machine, does the bios say you got 2gb?
16:37<Porti>and windows also
16:37<newsense>cahoot: me ?
16:37<cahoot>use another kernel - like a 686 Porti
16:38<Porti>ok, im a noob :) can you also tell me what a 686 kernel is? (im using a amd xp 2500+ 32bit system *shame*)
16:38<eliteforce>Porti: what does uname -a say?
16:38<Porti>Linux linuxserver 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sat May 24 09:50:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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16:39<cahoot>Porti: aptitude search linux-image - and make a choice
16:39<Felipe>hey wahy cant i to install Flash Player on Knopix????????????
16:40<cahoot>Felipe: wrong channel
16:40<drone77>!tell Felipe about Knoppix
16:41<Felipe>mmm ok dude im leaving :D
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16:53<monitor>tudo bem?
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16:55<eliteforce>there are lot of weird people out there.
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16:56<drone77>oi monitor
16:56<eliteforce>*is lots ? ;D
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16:59<dpkg>somebody said nv was the X4's free video driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or GeForce), does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX., Etch users: 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' 2.0.3-1 (available since 4.0r4) provides support for GeForce 8 series chipsets. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required instead, ask me about <nvidia>.
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17:00<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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17:21<newsense>finally got my wireless card module working and got wirless tools, how do i get it to connect to my wpa encyypted lan at boot now ?
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17:27<jthomas>newsense my favorite app is wicd
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17:27<newsense>ill give it a look thanks
17:27<jthomas>i don't think its in the repos tho, I've had to add a new repo specific for it
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17:28<newsense>no deb in lenny huh
17:28<jthomas>but it finds and connect much better than any other gnome or kde app i've ever tried; the website has info about enabling it at bootup/login etc, very nice app
17:28<jthomas>no, not in lenny either
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17:30<jthomas>>> deb debian extras << that is the repo for it; I think you also need like python-gnome-extras package
17:30<jthomas>worked in lenny and etch in my experiences
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17:31<jthomas>oh python-gnome2-extras
17:33<jthomas>and fyi it installs to /opt/wicd/ or /opt/wicd/ -- the tray is for a system tray, thats the one to start at login.
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17:35<eliteforce>are some debconf recordings available yet?
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17:43<newsense>whats the name of that doc that tells howto setup wpa supplicant again thanks
17:44<dmoerner>newsense, /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz?
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17:44<dmoerner>or something like taht
17:44<biatonotunix>todo piola
17:44<avu>newsense, 'that doc'? there are countless.
17:45<dmoerner>newsense, no...what? all the docs are in that directory
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17:45<dmoerner>you can try README.modes.gz
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17:46<avu>newsense, for example (and documents linked from there) (first google hit when searching for 'debian wpasupplicant')
17:46<avu>yeah, README.modes is what the wiki page links to too
17:46<newsense>ok ill check that link thanks
17:46*dmoerner wonders why all documentation needs to be on the internet instead of just in READMEs in the FSH...
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17:59<debeee>i try to play avi with vlc and got this error: main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `FMP4'.
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18:00<debeee>iam i missing the plugin lib or what?
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18:02<eliteforce>why is aptitude so slow ;(
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18:02<newsense>im tearing my hair out trying to connect to my wlan anyone here wanna help ?
18:02<newsense>been reading and following instructions with no luck
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18:03<chealer>newsense: just ask your question
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18:04<newsense>i am trying to connect to essid on channel 6 using wpa and have read docs but nothing wors
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18:04<ja>Hello. I spent a good amount of time first getting my nvidia card working with Lenny, and now getting Compiz working. Compiz enables the ooh-ahh, but now, kwin is gone. I compiled emerald and tried setting it to that, but it doesn't work either. Then I installed gnome to see if it was a KDE thing. No, still doesn't work. Is there a file I need to edit so that I have a Window Manager? Or is it a bug with compiz?
18:05<eliteforce>reading package list, building dependency tree, reading extended package info, initializing package status, writing extended package stuff and so on ... after each "action" in aptitude *zZZZZzZZZ*
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18:06<dmoerner>ja, so you mean that "kwin --replace" says "kwin not found"
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18:07<ja>dmoerner: No. kwin --replace kills compiz.
18:07<dmoerner>ja, that is expected. compiz and kwin are both window managers. you can't run them both at the same time
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18:08<ja>dmoerner: Right, but shouldn't I have some type of window manager? When I run compiz, I have no way to move, close, resize, etc.
18:08<dmoerner>ja, emerald or kde-window-decorator do those for you with compiz
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18:08<dmoerner>installing "compiz-kde" should be all you need to get window borders
18:08<ja>dmoerner: I installed compiz-kde.
18:09<dmoerner>ja, did you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the correct way?
18:13<ja>dmoerner: YES! I owe you one dmoerner.
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18:14<notlemurmon>Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use
18:14<notlemurmon>"/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.3.1".
18:15<notlemurmon>do i need to recompile my kernel?
18:15<dmoerner>notlemurmon, export CC=4.1
18:15<dmoerner>and you can install gcc-4.1 from the repos
18:15<Gathond>notlemurmon: recompile the kernel with 4.3.1 or install and use gcc 4.1.3 (the latter would be my suggestion)
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18:16<notlemurmon>k. do i just download it and install it?
18:17<dmoerner>notlemurmon, apt-get install gcc-4.1
18:17<dmoerner>what are you trying to compile?
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18:20<notlemurmon>still getting the error
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18:24<notlemurmon>dmoerner: i ran aptitude install gcc-4.1 but it did not install
18:26<path>is there any gtk frontend for git ?
18:26<path>in debian
18:26<dmoerner>notlemurmon, what do you mean? gcc-4.1 is in stable -> unstable in all areas
18:26<path>can't find it
18:26<dmoerner>path, gitk shows trees and is written in Tk
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18:26<dmoerner>*when i say areas i meant architectures haha
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18:27<dmoerner>notlemurmon, that means its already installed
18:27<path>there is a fedora package for the gtk
18:27<notlemurmon>-su: gcc: command not found
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18:31<dmoerner>notlemurmon, pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy gcc and cat /etc/apt/sources.list
18:31<dmoerner>and you never answered my question: what are you trying to compile?
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18:34<notlemurmon>i'm running lenny, btw
18:34<dmoerner>notlemurmon, you don't have the necessary build tools installed. run "apt-get install build-essential"
18:35<notlemurmon>ok. its going to automatically install gcc, though
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18:37<notlemurmon>now 4.3.1 is installed again
18:38<dmoerner>you don't need to uninstall one to use the other
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18:40<dmoerner>export GCC=4.1 && gcc -v
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18:40<notlemurmon>nope. still getting the same error
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18:41<dmoerner>this is bizarre
18:41<dmoerner>why don't you try the debian way?
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18:41<notlemurmon>yeah. i know
18:41<notlemurmon>what debian way
18:41<dpkg>1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx
18:41<dmoerner>since i presume you want nvidia even though you haven't told me what you are compiling ahha
18:42<notlemurmon>i'm not installing nvidia
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18:43<dmoerner>notlemurmon, ....then what are you compiling?
18:43<notlemurmon>i'm setting up vmplayer
18:43<dmoerner>fifth time's the charm
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18:44<makaraky>Hi there people, just a simple question exemply if I installa new software from whatever it should be placed theoricly were? I refeer to the path it should be /usr/local/bin?
18:44<dmoerner>notlemurmon, are you following instructions like these:
18:45<dmoerner>makaraky, according to debian policy new debian packages install nothing in /usr/local and instead in /usr/bin. if you compile from source normally the default is /usr/local/bin
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18:46<makaraky>thaks dmoerner
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19:04<witte>dede: what are you trying to do?
19:05<dede>do you
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19:05<dede>speak espanhol
19:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:22<makaraky>Bye good night (here is quite late in spain)
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19:27<momaf1>any news from the kde4 frontier? :)
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19:30<chahibi>momaf1, beside that it is buggy, nothing that I know
19:30<chahibi>momaf1, it is quite deceiving
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19:36<momaf1>any news from the kde4 frontier? :)
19:37<witte>momaf1: you'd better ask about kde in #debian-kde, (or check /msg dpkg kde4)
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19:58<neal>I am trying to get a way to install debian etch from a pen drive instead of a cd. I created a fat32 filesystem on the pen drive, extracted the netinstall .iso to the pen drive and moved isolinux contents to the root. I also renamed the isolonux.cfg to syslinux.cfg..anyways long story short, the pendrive boots and the installer starts but fails when trying to find a cdrom to load so it can load modules. Is there anyway to tell the i
19:58<neal>nstaller that everything it needs is one the pen drive?
19:59<dmoerner>neal, what if you go to a shell and then mount the pendrive on /cdrom or wherever it is looking
19:59<neal>hmm, i will try that
19:59<dmoerner>neal, why not just use
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20:00<dmoerner>zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX will be all you need to make the pendrive
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20:00<neal>is the boot.img.gz the one that on the iso?
20:01<neal>i have been reading so much material i am confused at this point
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20:03<neal>dmoerner which boot.img.gz, the one on the .iso or do i download it from debian
20:04<dmoerner>neal, the one i sent you a link for
20:05<dmoerner>neal, well the simplest way to make a bootable flash drive is this way
20:05<dmoerner>download linux and initrd.gz from
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20:05<dmoerner>put them on a F16 formatted flashdrive
20:06<dmoerner>make a file called syslinux.cfg that contains two lines: (1) default linux (2) append initrd=initrd.gz
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20:06<dmoerner>then install syslinux on a machine and run "dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sdX" and "syslinux /dev/sdX1"
20:06<dmoerner>that will do it all from the net installer
20:08<neal>cool, thanks man....i have to install debian amd64 etch on a bunch of servers at a remote location and wanted to do it from a pen drive
20:08<neal>thanks again
20:08<dmoerner>sorry i gave you the i386 directions
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20:08<dmoerner>but its the same for amd64 of course just a different link
20:09<dmoerner>let me see if i can find the part of the install guide that describes the process i just gave you
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20:12<neal>too bad there is not a utility that can be put on a pen drive and just boot an .iso without voodoo...would save so much waste in the land fill
20:12<neal>again thanks dmoerner
20:12<dmoerner>neal, that utility is grub/syslinux again the problem is when cds are hardcoded to look at the cd drive for stuff, etc.
20:12<dmoerner>no problem
20:12<neal>i see
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20:16<ifvoid>hallo aepies!
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20:30<bullshit>can u help me? i´m trying install debian each 4r4 amd64 in a SATA hd with a SATA DVD-ROM, i can boot it, and select language, etc but in the step "detect and mount CD-ROM" i can´t follow, this ask me where´s the device of the source, in default it is dev/cdrom, but it does´nt work, qhat should i whrite manually? i try dev/sdb but it does´nt works do u know what can i do?
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20:32<witte>bullshit: can you try an installer with a newer kernel (or maybe there is in the 4r4 version an option to choose 2.6.24)?
20:32<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
20:32<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
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20:33<erKURITA>what the
20:34<witte>not very friendly of bullshit :(
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20:39<william>what is the download file for front page i do apt-get and then what
20:39<witte>william: can you restate your question? I don't understand it
20:40<william>there is a html program called front page for windows is there a similar program for debian
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20:41<witte>william: there are several. Bluefish is one of them, apt-get install bluefish
20:42<william>ok thank you
20:42<witte>william: this is a html editor, i don't know front-page, and i did not use bluefish more than once myself (i use a plain editor for making my very simple pages)
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20:43<witte>!wysiwyg html editor
20:43<dpkg>If you are looking for a wysiwyg html editor, try <quanta>, Mozilla composer, <bluefish> (has support for PHP), or <nvu> (not available in sarge though).
20:43<dpkg>somebody said quanta was, or #quanta @
20:44<dpkg>methinks nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at
20:44<dpkg>somebody said bluefish was probably a GTK+ HTML editor for linux at
20:44<witte>william: linux is all about choice :-). Just try them and see which one suits your needs best
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20:46<william>ok i loaded it where is it found in gnome desktop
20:47<witte>william: don't use gnome, but it should end up somewhere in the meny
20:47<witte>william: or with development, or with web/internet/networks...
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20:47<witte>william: or you start it from a terminal
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20:49<Nemoder>hmm bluefish doesn't appear to be wysiwyg
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20:52<Nemoder>iceape's composer or openoffice are probably the best choices for wysiwyg.
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20:52<Nemoder>and nvu isn't even in debian
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20:53<witte>Nemoder: maybe you can adjust the factoid
20:54<Nemoder>I don't know to do that with the bot
20:54<witte>Nemoder: but i think bluefish is quite wysiwyg
20:54<jesor>anybody can help me with printer installation en lennny?
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20:55<Nemoder>witte: maybe it has a mode I dont know about? it just seems to be an advanced text editor
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20:56<witte>Nemoder: you can do: dpkg: no, wysiwig html editor is <new factoid>
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20:56<witte>Nemoder: i just opened it, it seems a bit like composer
20:57<witte>Nemoder: but as i mentioned before, i use an editor (just emacs) to make my websites (which are very very basic :-))
20:57<Nemoder>witte: it's all just html, if you insert an image or bold some text it puts the codes on screen not the results (not very wysiwyg)
20:58<witte>Nemoder: ah, ok
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21:03<Nemoder>dpkg: no, wysiwig html editor is If you are looking for a wysiwyg html editor, try <quanta>, <iceape>'s composer, and <openoffice>'s writer can save as html
21:03<dpkg>Nemoder: okay
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21:04<witte>Nemoder: great, except, it is wysiwyg (i admit, my fault ;-))
21:04<Nemoder>lol didn't see that
21:04<witte>dpkg: no, wysiwyg html editor is If you are looking for a wysiwyg html editor, try <quanta>, <iceape>'s composer, and <openoffice>'s writer can save as html
21:04<dpkg>witte: okay
21:04<Nemoder>dpkg: no, wysiwyg html editor is If you are looking for a wysiwyg html editor, try <quanta>, <iceape>'s composer, and <openoffice>'s writer can save as html
21:04<witte>dpkg: forget wysiwig html editor
21:04<dpkg>witte: i forgot wysiwig html editor
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21:05<witte>Nemoder: ok, this is certainly an improvement
21:05<Nemoder>I suppose nvu is still good but since it's not included in debian it probably shouldn't be listed
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21:06<witte>Nemoder: you are right, there are enough alternatives in debian
21:06<witte>the people who have to ask generally don't need to much alternatives ;-)
21:07<witte>ok, time for bed, it is 3h in my plane of existence ;-)
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21:56<avr>ðÒÉ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÕÀ ×ÓÅÈ!
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21:58<avr>ËÔÏ ÎÉÔØ ÅÓÔØ ÖÉ×ÏÊ?
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21:59<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, unicode is the only sane way to manage diverse scripts sanely (even if it does pose security risks)
22:01<chahibi>that is a lame joke avr
22:01<avr>you did't speak russia???
22:02<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
22:02<avr>i'm not joke
22:02<chahibi>avr, sorry :)
22:02<avr>Thanks!!! ^)
22:02<chahibi>avr, it looks like your encoding settings are not correct
22:03<avr>i understand )
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22:09<salva>alguien me puede echar un cable con la debian para powerpc ??
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22:12<salva>nobody alive?
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22:13<meetmeonaholiday>anyone else having trouble with the version of pidgin in unstable and connecting to hotmail accounts? I haven't been able to connect since around the 3rd of August. it's not a router issue because I haven't changed any settings and it's always worked. and it seems like I'm getting RST packets from MSN servers. any help? is there a pidgin channel on another IRC server?
22:14<Aleric>Sorry to have disappeared after asking my question :/ ... I thought I had a direct connection from the previous pc, but apparently it went via this one and I rebooted.
22:14<salva>okay let's make same quesion in english, perhaps I changed server and I didn't care...
22:14<Aleric>My question was: I just did update/upgrade using testing, and now I get when starting X: (EE)
22:14<Aleric>+USB Mouse: Unknown protocol "auto-dev". Why does that suddenly stop working?
22:15<salva>anybody can help me with the powerpc version of debian?
22:15<Aleric>I thought "auto-dev" was supported - it worked, too... until now.
22:15<meetmeonaholiday>and it's not a firewall issue or a linux issue as I haven't been able to connect on another linux comp or windows comp either. actually I don't think it's a pidgin issue cuz I couldn't connect in amsn or tmsnc either
22:16<salva>I know when somebody reads or hear the word 'powerpc' run away, but... we still need help :)
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22:19<Aleric>@%!#%$ It looks like my reboot caused me to get back an OLD xorg.conf ?!?
22:19<salva>meetmeonaholiday have you used a previous version of pidgin ??
22:19<Aleric>I had my mouse working with all 10 buttons, and now it doesn't work anymore?!
22:20<pbdl>hello everyone, i need some help with xrandr. Can anyone help me getting S-video?
22:20<salva>pbdl I'll give you an answer I had... did you search in google ?
22:20<pbdl>yes, there's nothing out there except man
22:21<salva>same as me
22:21<pbdl>let me give you the output
22:21<salva>I have a corrupt installation on a G4, first it was flawles... but when restarted it was a mess
22:21<salva>but no entries in google to that
22:21<salva>need some guru
22:21<meetmeonaholiday>what were the errors salva?
22:21<Aleric>Wow, I still have sound after the reboot :P
22:21<Aleric>That's at least something.
22:21<salva>and also messed the locale, so I think I have latvian keyboard layout perhaps...
22:22<pbdl> - output of xrandr
22:22<Aleric>Now to find out where my mouse config went :/
22:22<pbdl>nothing mentoning S-video, how do i add it?
22:22<salva>hmmm S video output? pbdl ?
22:23<pbdl>yes, i plug it in, nothing - then again, if it's not in xrandr output, i guess something's missing
22:23<pbdl>at least stating it's disconnected
22:23<salva>which brand is it � nvidia? ati¿?
22:23<pbdl>ati, free driver
22:23<salva>and free driver hasn't any option to enable output.?
22:23<pbdl>its a mobility x700 i tihnk
22:24<salva>I think ,well, in windoze, when you set up the output to svideo, card shutoff on screen
22:24<salva>at least a couple years ago with my nvidia vanta
22:24<pbdl>dont know, how do i do enable output?
22:24<salva>I think is a video driver issue
22:24<pbdl>forget doze :)
22:25<salva>you know
22:25<salva>ATI drivers for linux sucks
22:25<pbdl>hold on, dam phone, give me 1 min
22:25<Aleric>Oh, I figured out why it didn't work.
22:25<salva>they're making an effor last months, but still unstable and crappy
22:26<salva>about free driver, no idea ....
22:26<Aleric>My new mouse needs some kernel module that wasn't loaded. And therefore it picked out the other mouse config in a semi-intelligent way.
22:26<salva>Aleric you want a nerd answer? :)
22:26<Aleric>salva: sure
22:26<salva>Aleric write your own driver :D
22:27<Aleric>It already works, I am busy with writing user level applications :p
22:27<salva>it doesn't matter if you write it sheakespearian way :D
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22:27<Aleric>What kernel module is needed for the evdev driver?
22:28<salva>no idea what is it for...
22:28<Aleric>/lib/modules/2.6.25-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.ko could it be?
22:28<salva>it seems it's the right way
22:28<Aleric>salva: to get more than 8 buttons working on a mouse, you need that.
22:28<salva>at least it has same name
22:28<salva>what you need 8 buttons on a mouse?
22:28<pbdl>salva: anything i can do to troubleshoot? any manual i should be reading?
22:28<Aleric>Ok... final "thinking outloud" question... how do I get it to automatically load :/
22:28<salva>it's easier to put on a playstation controller :)
22:29<salva>ahhh automatically load
22:29<Aleric>I thought things like this would load automatically as soon as they are needed.
22:29<salva>there's a dirt trick
22:29<salva>you can put it on init.d
22:29<salva>insmod evdev
22:29<Aleric>I can just always load it - but I like it better when it just loads when it's needed.
22:29<salva>and give a chmod a+x to it on init.d
22:29*Aleric looks in /var/log/messages
22:29<Nemoder>Aleric: you might need the xevie extension in xorg.conf, but I don't really know how it works
22:30<salva>it's a dirty solution but if you make a little script that loads it...
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22:30<salva>you can also make 2 scripts, one for loading module, another for unloading it
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22:31<salva>but since it's a module you need su privileges ....
22:31<salva>so better way it's loading it on init and then make a script to unload it with sudo
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22:33<salva>okay I raped a G4 installing a debian but rebooting it caused chaos and crappy installation, any suggerences?
22:33<Aleric>grrmbl, that kernel module IS loaded :/
22:33<salva>I must say that installation was flawless
22:34<Aleric>It's someone else... why did X use the wrong mouse?
22:34<salva>Aleric did you check xorg.conf?
22:34<Aleric>I wrote it :/
22:34<salva>or whatever its name is
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22:35<salva>and what about a debconf-reconfigure X or similar stuff?
22:35<salva>delete it and reconfigure
22:35<Aleric>ugh, and lose my beautiful xorg.conf?
22:35<salva>no more ideas less than a rm -rf / :)
22:35<newsense>can anyone help me with my wireless adapter ?
22:36<newsense>not sure what happened there
22:36<salva>Aleric cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.alericonfigpawaq
22:36<salva>backup pawa :)
22:37<Aleric>This is the end of Xorg.0.log:
22:37<Aleric>lemme paste my xorg.conf too
22:37<salva>fancy end
22:37<salva>I'll let ya
22:37<salva>dunno if server will let ya
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22:38<Aleric>This is my xorg.conf (which is actually used as 'role' model on nvidia's forum ;) :p
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22:39<Aleric>It should be using the "MX Laser" mouse, but somehow ended up with "USB Mouse". I have no idea why.
22:39<salva>huh man console mode
22:39<salva>cannot see it
22:39<salva>did ya see the X log ?
22:40<Aleric>I'm being helped by a nerd from the stone age....
22:40<Aleric>Why aren't you running X?
22:40<salva>hey be careful with your words
22:41<salva>I am not running X because I installed an etch in a G4
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22:41<salva>and the X went messed up
22:41<salva>I'm still asking why
22:41<salva>because in the installation it started X flawless, with GDM and all that cool stuff
22:42<salva>but now it's just console junk
22:42<salva>so I'm trying to evolve from stone age to middle age just with a keyboard with a Kazahstan layout or whatever knows
22:42<Aleric>well, look in Xorg.0.log:\
22:43<Aleric>What's the (EE)?
22:43<salva>EE = error
22:43<salva>or something fucked up
22:43<Aleric>yes, and what is it?
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22:44<miksuh>usb-hotplugging seems to be broken in Lenny now..
22:44<salva>damn kernel messages
22:44<salva>error microcode ;
22:44<miksuh>I'm not sure if last udev update did brake something
22:44<salva>microcode is fucked up not available or load failed
22:44<salva>very 10 seconds
22:44<salva>damn it
22:44<miksuh>But anyway usb-stick does not mount automatically, and eg. music cd does not start playing automatically when inserted etc
22:45<Aleric>miksuh: seems? They talk about it or you think so?
22:45<miksuh>Aleric: :P
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22:45<miksuh>if you don't undertsnad taht it does not wok then it's not my problem
22:45<miksuh>does not work
22:45<salva>nah Aleric look at the EE's and check if there's anyone that suits your problem
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22:45<Aleric>salva: I was trying to help YOU - but nm :p
22:45<salva>don't feed da trolls
22:46<salva>me? so I was... I was trying to help ya also
22:46<miksuh>Aleric: so yes it IS broken now
22:46<Aleric>I'm going to delete my USB mouse config and restart X :/
22:46<salva>but It's a weird situation... at least you have the X running out....
22:47<miksuh>probably tht udev update did brake something..
22:48<Aleric>Oh, when I rebooted I didn't have X.
22:48<salva>so there's nobody with a f+++kin G4 or PowerPC there, isn't it ?
22:48<salva>X broke because of your mouse ?
22:48<simonrvn>#debianppc does
22:48<salva>wwwwweeeeeeelllll that was a good answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:49<salva>the best I heard in 2 hours
22:49<Aleric>I first had to recompile the nvidia drivers, and then I got a version mismatch - so I wasted some time removing lots of stuff, changing my /etc/apt/sources.list and reinstalling nvidia stuff before I had X (without a mouse).
22:49<salva>Aleric which mouse you have ?
22:49<Aleric>MX 1000 logitech
22:49<salva>and how old is it ?
22:49<Aleric>One week
22:49<salva>no, how old in 'market'
22:50<Aleric>restarting X ... brb
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22:50<salva>they launched it a year ago? 2 months?
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22:50<salva>thx simonrvn
22:51<miksuh>hmm yeah usb-stick does not automount to /media either, so it is not any gnome problem. i think it is that udev..
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22:57<newsense>can anyone help me with my /etc/network/interfaces file ?
22:57<newsense>trying to connect to my wlan with wpa
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23:10<Aleric>It officially stopped working :/
23:11<Aleric>Grr. Why can I never just reboot without MAJOR problems with X?
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23:17<miksuh>well looks like it might be gnome problem after all
23:18<miksuh>for some reasen gnome-volume-manager doe3s not start after reboot and first login to desktop
23:18<miksuh>if you logout and the re-login, then gnome-volume-manager starts and automounting works
23:19<miksuh>I don't know wht gnome-volume-manager does not start on first login
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23:34<LEO_>What do I need to do, in order to NOT start Apache automatically when server is rebooted and instead do it manualy with "apache2ctl start"
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23:40<LEO_>Is anyone around?
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23:43<blarson>LEO_: remove the symbolic links from /etc/rc?.d/S??apache* to /etc/init.d/apache*
23:43<h2-gw>LEO_, turn it off, you can use rcconf if you want
23:43<h2-gw>it's easy
23:44<blarson>I think the apache* is apache2 .
23:44<LEO_>I't apache2
23:44<h2-gw>but remember, it turns on every time it upgrades, so you have to remember to turn it back off
23:44<LEO_>rcconf, what is that and where?
23:45<h2-gw>it's a console tool
23:45<h2-gw>aptitude / apt-get install rcconf
23:45<h2-gw>turns off daemons/services
23:45<h2-gw>be careful
23:46<h2-gw>only turn off what you know
23:46<h2-gw>like apache2
23:46<blarson>If you remove the S links and not the K links, it won't replace the S links on upgrade. If you remove them all, it will.
23:46<h2-gw>ah, ok, or you can just make them all k links
23:47<h2-gw>I can't remember how rcconf does it
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23:49<newsense>my wireless wont connect help
23:49<LEO_>can someone tell me what is this: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_abort_on_overflow"
23:50<newsense>allowing the option to abourt on tcp overflow?
23:50<newsense>0 would be to disable the option id think
23:50<Obligatory>I'm getting this K3B error on bootup: "System locale charset is ANSI_X3.4-1968", etc, the message suggests it's problematic.
23:51<Obligatory>bootup=K3b startup
23:51<h2-gw>interesting, sysv-rc-conf does it right
23:51<h2-gw>turns them all to k
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23:51<LEO_>newsense, abort what?
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23:57<Obligatory>Seems kinda dead tonight...
23:59<dmoerner>Obligatory, #debian on oftc is always quiet
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