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---Logopened Fri Aug 15 00:00:09 2008
00:00<dmoerner>oftc instead of freenode
00:00<dmoerner>irc networks
00:00<dmoerner>#debian on freenode has 800 people and is comparatively more active
00:01<Obligatory>Ah. Thanks, when I started 'xchat' I clicked a different server for some reason. Guess I'll try freenode.
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00:02<LEO_>what do I type to configure apache NOT start on reboot?
00:02<LEO_>using rcconf...
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00:04<dmoerner>rcconf you just uncheck the box to stop it from starting on boot
00:04<dmoerner>Obligatory, "ubuntu servers" = "freenode" on xchat default install
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00:17<LEO_>dmoerner, I am using SSH, there are not uncheck boxes
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00:17<LEO_>is there a command I can run to stop Apache from automaticaly starting onr eboot?
00:19<dmoerner>LEO_, update-rc.d
00:19<LEO_>is there ahowto somwhere? I dont know what to type in
00:19<dmoerner>update-rc.d apache2 stop 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 S
00:19<dmoerner>update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 .
00:19<dmoerner> update-rc.d -f foobar remove
00:19<dmoerner>from man foobar
00:19<dmoerner>the last two examples
00:20<dmoerner>*man update-rc.d
00:20<LEO_>what's all the numbers for? o 1 2 3 4 5 6 ...?
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00:21<dmoerner>those are the runlevels you want to stop it from running on
00:21<dmoerner>S = startup
00:21<dmoerner>2-5 = multiuser runlevels
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00:23<LEO_>So which one should I use from all the commands that you've given me?
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00:24<Tsuki>Does anyone have experience with getting a LambdaMOO up and running on Debian?
00:24<dmoerner>LEO_, use either of the last two
00:24<dmoerner>i'd recommend update-rc.d apache2 stop 20 2 3 4 5 .
00:25<LEO_>So if I type in "update-rc.d apache2 stop 20 2 3 4 5 ." apache will not start on it own onr eboot, correct?
00:25<dmoerner>yes. you must run the command as root
00:26<LEO_>what would I need to do in order to reenable it again?
00:26<Tsuki>Or, here's another question: How do I get files from my desktop to my linux box, who are both on the same LAN
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00:28<dmoerner>LEO_, the same command but with "start" instead
00:29<dmoerner>Tsuki, scp if both are running linux
00:29<dmoerner>otherwise samba
00:29<Tsuki>Samba? I'm running XP on one machine and Debian on the other. The Linux box is running in console only mode
00:30<LEO_>dmoerner, thank you very much
00:30<LEO_>dmoerner, just to confirm, there's a dot (.) after 5 in the command right?
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00:33<Tsuki>Trying to remember the command. I don't use Linux enough. It's not GET. >.<
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00:35<dmoerner>LEO_, yes
00:35<dmoerner>Tsuki, you need to use "smbclient"
00:36<dmoerner>or mount using "smbfs"
00:36<LEO_>dmoerner, thank you
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00:38<LEO_>dmoerner, when I type in "update-rc.d apache2 stop 20 2 3 4 5 ." I get "System startup links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist."
00:39<LEO_>dmoerner, Does that message mean it did not apply changes?
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00:41<dmoerner>LEO_, hm try the remove command
00:41<dmoerner>i'm not familiar with update-rc.d i always use sysv-rc-conf myself
00:41<LEO_>dmoerner, "update-rc.d -f apache2 remove" ???
00:42<LEO_>ok, how do i use that
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00:43<LEO_>dmoerner, I dont really mind using anything, just to get job done, remove autostarting apache and add autostarting apache onre boot, those 2 comands
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00:44<dmoerner>just run that command
00:44<dmoerner>if all else fails
00:44<miksuh>yeah, i tried to downgrade to polder udev. I did not solve that automounting problem.. So maybe it really is that gnome-volume-manager which is causing it
00:45<dmoerner>just go to /etc/rc2.d
00:45<dmoerner>and change "K##apache2" to "S##apache2"
00:45<dmoerner>which is the super manual way to do it
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00:46<miksuh>for some reason that gnome-volume-manager just don't start at first login. Someone else has already made bug report
00:47<LEO_>dmoerner, if I use "update-rc.d -f foobar remove" how would I reenable it in future?
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01:05<dmoerner>LEO_, as i said you would add it back to runlevels 2 3 4 5
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01:07<LEO_>dmoerner, thanks
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01:50<dmoerner>i tried asking this in #debian-mentors but no one do I get cdbs to listen to the CFLAGS set in the Makefile of a source package instead of using the generic -g -O2 -Wall
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01:53<EricB>what's wrong with the generic -g -O2?
01:54<dmoerner>EricB, i'm trying to build netconfig from the pump sources and it won't build without a specific set of flags
01:54<dmoerner>it builds with a manual "make all" call from a normal dh_make debhelper setup but not with cdbs
01:55<dmoerner>as far as i can tell the change in flags between cdbs and the dh_... calls is the only difference
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02:27<glasya>I'm trying to get the color of the text in the console to green. I have the framebuffer set up at the resolution I want and I have console-setup installed. I can't find any information about how to set up console-setup to do what I want (or if it even does such a thing). Does anyone know how to do this or if it is even possible?
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02:32<rgnr>gotta problem
02:32<rgnr>can't rename a file
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02:32<rgnr>Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 1) line 1, near "/usr/bin"
02:32<rgnr> (Missing operator before bin?)
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02:45<enouf>LEO_: you reinstall it, which would run the .postinst script, which would recreate the rcX.d symlinks - that said; "/msg dpkg rcconf"
02:46<LEO_>enouf, reinstall apache?
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02:50<enouf>LEO_: erm, ya know, now i'm not entirely sure - i'd try "update-rc.d apache2 defaults" atleast prior, but i was thinking of a apt-get{aptitude} --reinstall install pkgname (i use rcconf for ease, so not sure)
02:51<enouf>!info insserv
02:51<dpkg>insserv: (boot sequence organizer using LSB init.d script dependencies), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.12.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 260 kB
02:52<LEO_>enouf, thank you for advice
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05:02<razvan>is there a free pdf ebook organizer for debian?
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05:02<razvan>is there a free pdf ebook organizer for debian?
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05:09<hachi>I'm running xen in debian stable and I've stolen libnss-ldapd from testing (cause it's not in stable) and I'm getting the 4gb seg fixup glitch... while already running libc6-xen
05:10<hachi>the only process throwing it is nslcd... and when I do an ldd `which nslcd` it says it's going to load the nosegneg version of libc dynamically
05:10<hachi>restart it, and it still happens
05:10<hachi>anyone have a clue how to figure out why it still does this?
05:11<path>indeed is an interesting question
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05:19<padski>razvan, see it would seem that there are many e-book formats ?
05:20<padski>razvan, there is something in lenny called libepun & ebook-tools-dbg "library and tools to work with the EPub file format"
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05:29<cryingtux>how can i change locale from purtugese to english? can somebody guide me please?
05:30<fxiny>cryingtux: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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05:31<cryingtux>fxiny : thanks, i tried this but there is a confusion
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05:32<cryingtux>everything is in pourtegese and i dont know what is says
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05:32<massmc>piu piu
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05:35<fxiny>cryingtux: try : LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
05:35<fxiny>and check : less /etc/environment
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05:36<cryingtux>thanks, now it`s english and i can understand what it says
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05:37<fxiny>cryingtux: np
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05:37<cryingtux>i will upload a screenshot
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05:39<cryingtux>so from here i go to set it to english
05:41<cryingtux>fxiny :
05:41<cryingtux>am i going correct?
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05:43<fxiny>cryingtux: yes
05:44<fxiny>cryingtux: use space bar to set the star
05:44<cryingtux>oh thanks, that was a big problem as i would press tab and then enter and all i would see pourteges again as the default language set
05:46<cryingtux>fxiny : ok all set, so do i reboot system now?
05:46<fxiny>cryingtux: you lucky : i've just repaired my crystall ball ;)
05:46<fxiny>cryingtux: no reboot
05:46<fxiny>cryingtux: just log out from your session
05:47<cryingtux>thanks, you did a great job, please keep your crystal ball handy, i might need it again :)
05:47<cryingtux>i will be right back after a logout :)
05:47<fxiny>is a fragile item
05:47<cryingtux>but worthy :)
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05:47<fxiny>cryingtux: wait a sec
05:48<fxiny>kuru ?
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06:23<cryingtux>skytramp: hello
06:24<skytramp>lol dont know how this thing works
06:25<cryingtux>there was a review on lenny on DW today
06:25<cryingtux>its says beta, so is it really beta?
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06:27<skytramp>i have lenny too, installer is beta2 but im quite a noob tbh
06:27<skytramp>hi marco
06:28<cryingtux>fxiny is debian seasoned but i guess he is busy atm
06:28<cryingtux>fxiny : are you here?
06:29<skytramp>i installed lenny with netinstall cd beta 2 and it works great
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06:30<fxiny>cryingtux: yes
06:30<cryingtux>fxiny: have you installed lenny?
06:30<fxiny>cryingtux: not yet
06:31<fxiny>i've done a quick upgrade
06:31<fxiny>cryingtux: you talking about /. lenny review ?
06:31<cryingtux>fxiny: yes
06:32<skytramp>only problem kernel 2.6.25 with xen doesnt get along with nvidia, i had to recompile
06:32<cryingtux>do you think is this worth try to install it statum verbatim as that guy has done?
06:32<fxiny>xen ? there is a talk about virtualization today at db8
06:33<skytramp>yes xen is default on kernel 2.6.25 from debian
06:33<fxiny>cryingtux: lenny will be release soon . yes , going for lenny is a sensible thing
06:33<cryingtux>fxiny: then i guess i will download the kde cd instead of trying out debian based distros
06:34<skytramp>they said release on september but who knows
06:34<cryingtux>i am on kurumin and its ok, but not upto the mark
06:34<fxiny>cryingtux: yes , steer away from *any* "based" : go for real
06:35<skytramp>i have straight debian lenny tbh
06:35<cryingtux>so i get the iso from here?
06:35<fxiny>cryingtux: i noticed you are on kurumin but i somehow feel you are interested in debian : am i right ?
06:35<skytramp>only issue super maryo chronicles not working lol
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06:36<cryingtux>fxiny: infact i am, i would like to run it my system as main os
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06:37<fxiny>cryingtux: good : you might be interested in watching some nice talk :
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06:37<fxiny>cryingtux: that will add to your choice for sure :)
06:37<Sertse>the debian site is crazy confusing but. I always get lost trying to find the cds
06:37<cryingtux>i have opened the link
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06:38<skytramp>yes lots of stuff on
06:39<cryingtux>fxiny: i have used kanotix but the developer of kanotix would not like to upgrade kde from 3.5.5 onwards
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06:39<cryingtux>so many developer made restrictions, so i had to move on
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06:39<cryingtux>i guess this is the time to put my hands on lenny no matter how unstable it is atm
06:40<skytramp>not that unstable
06:41<cryingtux>i will put the iso on download and take a nap, and give it a try in evening when i get up
06:41<cryingtux>fxiny: i will check this too
06:42<skytramp>how come my keymap is screwd using this irc?
06:42<cryingtux>fxiny : so is this the correct link to download iso file?
06:42<fxiny>skytramp: utf8 ?
06:43<skytramp>let me check
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06:47<skytramp>the problem is system wide, its st ive just installed
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06:49<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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06:59<Baggy2>Is it possible to figure out if make failed from within a script?
06:59<Lethalman>Baggy2, check $? after make
06:59<Lethalman>it shouldn't be 0 if make failed
06:59<Baggy2>yes tried: if [ "$?" -eq 1 ]
06:59<Lethalman>not necessary 1
06:59<Lethalman>different than 0
07:00<Lethalman>-ne 0
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07:01<Baggy2>Lethalman: I've checked the return value of make both on success and failure. It is the same in either case :( it returns the lines that were executed in the makefile
07:02<Lethalman>haven't understood what you said
07:02<Lethalman>if the return value is the same that's definitely a bug
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07:06<Baggy2>Lethalman: Thanks, there still was an error in the makefile (two missing spaces) even though make did not print an error message, that is why it returned the string in both =)
07:06<rgnr>how the hell does it works with rar?
07:07<Lethalman>rgnr, eh?
07:07<rgnr>Lethalman: how do i use rars?
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07:08<rgnr>Lethalman: i've got a movie in rar archives and i cannot extract it
07:08<Lethalman>rgnr, aptitude install unrar
07:08<rgnr>Lethalman: etch?
07:08<Lethalman>the non-free version, which i recommend since the free version doesn't always work
07:08<Lethalman>rgnr, try
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07:09<rgnr>well where do i get nonfree?
07:10<rgnr>it needs some glibc 24
07:10<Lethalman>add add non-free to sources.list
07:10<Lethalman>main contrib non-free
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07:11<padski>should firefox in etch work over ssh X forwarding ?
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07:12<rgnr>Lethalman: main contrib non-free?
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07:13<Lethalman>rgnr, yes
07:13<Lethalman>aptitude update && aptitude install unrar
07:13<Lethalman>rgnr, errr no that's security
07:14<Lethalman>deb stable main contrib non-free
07:14<skytramp_>how come i cannot open links in xchat?
07:14<Lethalman>skytramp_, right click on it
07:15<skytramp_>did it
07:15<Lethalman>xchat or xchat-gnome?
07:15<skytramp_>just installed im a noob
07:16<skytramp_>im italian too btw
07:16<Lethalman>i don't use the -gnome version so i can't say
07:17<skytramp_>maybe ther's a config file somewhere
07:17<skytramp_>to set deafult browser
07:18<skytramp_>gtg for lunch thnx all
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07:19<Kloiahack^Linux>Baggy2// Hello
07:20<Kloiahack^Linux>Oh.. sorry...
07:20<Kloiahack^Linux>i will call ByHan... sorry...
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07:24<rgnr>Lethalman: how do i edit sources without gedit
07:25<Lethalman>rgnr, with an editor on console
07:25<Lethalman>vim, jmacs, nano
07:25<rgnr>Lethalman: jmacs?
07:25<Lethalman>from joe's editors
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07:26<Lethalman>apt-cache show joe
07:26<Lethalman>that's it
07:27<Lethalman>it contains jmacs
07:27<Kloiahack^Linux>wow, i see.
07:27<rgnr>well howw do i edit with vim?
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07:28<rgnr>how do i save?
07:28<Lethalman>rgnr, :wq!
07:29<Lethalman>i suggest you to use nano the first times
07:29<fxiny>vim comes with the admission ticket :P
07:29<rgnr>weird macros
07:29<fxiny>but if you know emacs you can use jed or mg
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07:29<fxiny>i'd use vim
07:30<Lethalman>if you know emacs you can use jmacs
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07:30<Lethalman>no one knows about it
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07:30<rgnr>dammit where's debian org located?
07:31<rgnr>bash: lol: command not found
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07:32<fxiny>why not qemacs then ?
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07:33<rgnr>hell yeah
07:33<rgnr>i win't change to ubuntu
07:33<rgnr>dunno why
07:33<fxiny>what ?
07:33<fxiny>ubu ? argggg
07:33<rgnr>'ts cool for some reason
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07:34<rgnr>almost as easy as windows
07:34<fxiny>1 hour and a half to next debconf talk : this counts
07:35<fxiny>is windows easy ? can't find bash or perl : must be hiddent soooo deeep :P
07:36<rgnr>actually i will change to ubuntu
07:36<fxiny>who cares ?
07:36<rgnr>any1 can explain me the difference?
07:36<Lethalman>fxiny, because jmacs is only console and lightweight for fast changes
07:36<fxiny>Lethalman: i know jmacs , yes :)
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07:37<fxiny>but i use jed or mg
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07:38<fxiny>i have a chip in my brain ; a conf file ? run vim
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07:38<Rogue>Quick Question: Anyone here have experience with IPTables and PPTP
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07:52<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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08:02<lucas_amorim>Hello, I have just installed debian lenny in a machine that has to SSDs, a 4GB one and a 16GB one (asus eeepc). But, during installation, due to my lack of attention, I forgot to set up the home partition on the 16GB ssd, then it installed everything and also the home dir in the 4GB ssd. Can I change it now? after installation?
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08:07<E0x>lucas_amorim: just format the 16GB one , mount it to another location something like /homenew , copy everything fro /home/ to /homenew/ , then change the /etc/fstab and change the driver of /home/
08:08<E0x>and everything will OK
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08:08<lucas_amorim>ok, In the fstab, what am I going to enter?
08:09<lucas_amorim>/dev/sdb# /home and options?
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08:09<lucas_amorim>or /dev/sdb# /homenew and options?
08:09<lucas_amorim>I a bit confused
08:09<lucas_amorim>I am *
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08:10<E0x>just change the device /dev/sd# for the new one
08:10<E0x>with the new one*
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08:11<lucas_amorim>EOx: but there is no home device yet
08:12<lucas_amorim>my fstab only shows this: /dev/sda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
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08:12<lucas_amorim>and the other disk is sdb
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08:13<E0x>lucas_amorim: add it then
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08:13<E0x>rename the old /home/ to /homeold
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08:13<E0x>and the /homenew/ to /home/
08:13<lucas_amorim>ahhh, I get it
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08:14<lucas_amorim>an then just add /dev/sdb1 /home ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 ?
08:14<E0x>lucas_amorim: everything after you copy the /home/ ( old ) to /homenew/
08:15<E0x>lucas_amorim: that can work , just verify that sdb1 is the 16GB drive and is format in ext3
08:15<lucas_amorim>gonna try this after my class that will start in 5 min....
08:15<lucas_amorim>thank you!!!
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08:26<skaczacy>mozna tu mowic popolsu czy english only ?
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08:55<Zathras>Hi. I need to have access in Debian to some Windows based Adobe fonts so I can edit an OpenOffice doc which uses them. Is there a howto on this subject?
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08:58<padski_>Zathras, google "X fonts"
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08:58<Zathras>have you ever tried googling on something too obvious like "X"? : google will ignore it
08:59<padski_>Zathras, I tried the query before I recommended it
09:00<padski_>top hit was this:
09:01<Zathras>I am familiar with fonts etc. But this is not about ordinary, but on windows fonts
09:01<padski_>Zathras, do you know what formet the fonts are in ?
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09:01<Zathras>no. Windows files from Adobe
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09:01<padski_>Zathras, perhaps
09:02<padski_>or ...
09:02<dpkg>well, fonts is check for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or and or, or, or Ask me about <install font>.
09:02<Zathras>they are not truetype fonts
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09:04<jMCg>Hello happy people.
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09:06<cyberjames>jMCg: hi
09:06<jMCg>My Etch installation is offering me to upgrade GRUB now having had bad experiences with the combination of Grub+Xen+8GiB RAM, I'm wondering if anyone else has been there, done that and seen how beautifully it all works out.
09:06<jMCg>I have looked at the ChangeLog, but at first glance it seemed rather unconclusive.
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09:07<Gekz>jMCg: dont fix what isnt broken
09:07<Nemoder> ouch
09:07<jMCg>Gekz: so put grub to DON"T UPGRADE List and be happy?
09:07<Gekz>jMCg: pretty much
09:08<Gekz>unless its a security update
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09:08<jMCg>I highly doubt that (again, from the rather inconclusive ChangeLog)
09:08<padski_>Zathras, Type 1 ? OpenType ?
09:09<padski_>Zathras, see also
09:10<Zathras>looking into stuff now. ty
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09:11<jMCg>Hum. Does Lenny already have KDE 4.1?
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09:13<stevecotton>Sid doesn't have much (any?) of KDE4.1 yet.
09:13<dpkg>[kde] a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels:
09:14<jMCg>Yup... looking at this apt-get safe-upgrade, it shows k<stuff> 4:9.5.9-x
09:14<dpkg>i guess kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>.
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09:16<chealer>jMCg: only small parts. better asking #debian-kde
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09:19<jMCg>chealer: reading the blog.
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09:20<EmleyMoor>Is there any difference between ATI, NVIDIA or any other for compatibility with Debian?
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09:21<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Some chipsets have better support in Linux than others.
09:22<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: Of that I'm aware - just interested in which was most likely to have good enough support for using Google Earth, really...
09:22<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Any card that works in Linux should work with google earth.
09:22<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: But just comparing brands isn't really very useful. Some ATI chipsets work better than some Nvidia chipsets, while some nvidia chipsets work better than other ATI chipsets.
09:23<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: I know that to be untrue - I had to change mine because the drivers were unsuitable and no suitable ones were available
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09:23<jMCg>AMD bought NVIDIA, and started open sourcing as many of the drivers and chipsets as possible.
09:23<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: You're asking "Which is faster? Ford or Chevy?" The answer is "Some Fords are faster than some Chevys, some Chevys are faster than other Fords"
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09:23<Nemoder>jMCg: no, AMD bought ATI
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09:23<jMCg>Ah well... names...I never were good with them anyways....
09:23<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Then you're obviously the expert. I don't know why I'm bothering to try to help you.
09:24<EmleyMoor>OK, I'm asking in general terms, which would YOU choose?
09:24<chealer>EmleyMoor: yes. most importantly, Intel beats all others.
09:24<Flimzy>chealer: That's obviously a worthless overgeneralization.
09:24<chealer>Flimzy: why?
09:24<Flimzy>chealer: Because it's not true.
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09:25<chealer>Flimzy: why?
09:25<Nemoder>if you want to run only free software then intel is your best bet
09:25<EmleyMoor>I have a supplier who grades their products (on a blunt 3-point scale) with the 3* being the best... but there's a wide choice.
09:25<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: I use nVidia, because historically modern ATI cards have shoddy Linux support. But as has been pointed out, AMD bought ATI, and has opened the specs--but I don't think any useful drivers have come from that yet. But eventually, ATI drivers will probably be better than nVidia.
09:26<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: The main argument *against* nvidia, is that their drivers are not open source.
09:26<Flimzy>chealer: Because it's not true.
09:26<Gekz>eventually isnt good enough
09:26<chealer>Flimzy: why?
09:26<EmleyMoor>I don't see the point in spending a fortune on a graphics card for what I do... but it does need to be a "one shot" decision
09:26<cockroach>not really. if you don't care about 3d acceleration the free ati drivers are great, too
09:26<Flimzy>chealer: I have an onboard Intel chip on my board... I tried pairing it with about 5 different offboard vid cards for dual-head, couldn't get it to work in any combination.
09:26<cockroach>(also, 3d is coming "real soon" there)
09:26<fxiny>amd bought ati and now has balance in red :P
09:26<Flimzy>chealer: Switching to two offboard nvidia cards gets 3head to work perfectly.
09:26<cahoot>aren't they all if yoo only use 2d?
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09:27<Flimzy>cockroach: ATI drivers are great, if you don't care that your X server crashes randomly :)
09:27<Flimzy>chealer: Intel cards may be good in some situations... but like I said, your overgeneralization is worthless, because Intel (nor any other brand) is *always* going to be best for all situations.
09:27<cockroach>Flimzy: heh, had those crashes with radeonhd, true. but the plan 'radeon' driver works pretty flawlessly.
09:28<jMCg>Plan? Plan 9?
09:28<Nemoder>if you are comparing proprietary drivers I would also recommend nvidia simply because of their history of decent support, but ATI is getting better
09:28<chealer>oh well, I assumed he was talking about video chipsets.
09:28<cockroach>Flimzy: i think you forgot a "not" somewhere in that sentence :)
09:28<chealer>I have to go
09:28<Flimzy>cockroach; Indeed. heh
09:28<EmleyMoor>So, one opinion is that nvidia support is already good, albeit not always open source, but ATI is on the up?
09:28*cockroach never got more than about 10-30 fps on his x1950 with fglrx
09:28<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: If you don't need 3D, Matrox might be your best bet.
09:29<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Matrox makes some pretty kick-ass 2D cards, and their drivers are very mature.
09:29<Gekz>Matrox suck
09:29<Flimzy>Gekz: Matrox is pretty rock-solid for 2D.
09:29<Nemoder>I think matrox has best picture quality in 2D
09:29<EmleyMoor>Matrox do indeed suck - although I had them for years
09:29<cockroach>Flimzy: i think you have to be careful with that statement. the P650 i used to own for a few days came with a *terrible* closed-source driver. the g400++ cards, however, used to work just great, that's true
09:29<Flimzy>Supports some of the fastest performance for 2D, and best flexibility for weird configurations.
09:30<EmleyMoor>It was a Matrox I had to stop using because of Google Earth
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09:30<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Then perhaps google earth uses 3D
09:30<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: A 3D app would indeed suck on a matrox card.
09:30*Flimzy wonders if EmleyMoor is beginning to understand why asking which brand is "best" is a pretty silly thing to ask
09:30<cockroach>i think you can play quake2 or so on a g400 :)
09:31<EmleyMoor>How is support for Geforce 7000 series these days?
09:31<Flimzy>cockroach: Probably... Q2 supports software rendering, IIRC.
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09:31<Gekz>EmleyMoor: using nv and nvidia, very good
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09:31<cockroach>Flimzy: i think the g400 might be "fast" enough for q2 hardware rendering, even
09:31<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: I need to make a "snap" rather than "stew" choice between the two due to the layout of my supplier's site
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09:31<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: That uses the standard closed source nvidia driver, or the open nv driver that has less excellerated support.
09:31<cockroach>... or "nouveau"
09:32<Flimzy>cockroach: You can probably play Q2 on a Trident card :)
09:32<Nemoder>heh trident
09:32<EmleyMoor>They have a 3* card based on that
09:32<Nemoder>maybe with the software renderer on a fast cpu
09:32<cockroach>or ttyquake. or whatever it was called.
09:33<EmleyMoor>How about 8800GS?
09:33<Gekz>cockroach: nouveau?
09:33<Nemoder>I have had an NVIDIA 5900, 7600 and now an 8600 and they have all worked great
09:33<Nemoder>using the proprietary drivers that is
09:33<cockroach>Gekz: the under-construction-opensource-3d-driver for current nvidia cards
09:33<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: I believe any GeForce 4 or newer will use the latest closed nvidia driver.
09:34<EmleyMoor>I went to a 53something, I think - but the motherboard is about to be scrapped
09:34<Flimzy>EmleyMoor; And some older models, too.
09:34<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: And any GeForce 7 or 8 or older will support the older nvidia closed driver.
09:34<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: So IOW, any GeForce has great (closed source) support in Linux.
09:34<Nemoder>nouveau is still a long way from good 3d support
09:34<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: If all you're doing is google earth, spend US$20 on a GeForce 4MX, and be done with it.
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09:35<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: I'll ship you my old one for US$20 + US$5 shipping for domestic shipping :)
09:35<cockroach>EmleyMoor: but be careful, last time i checked, the 'legacy' nvidia driver (the one for older cards) lacked quite a lot of features
09:35<Flimzy>cockroach: Those features won't matter for google earth :)
09:35<EmleyMoor>I have money coming soon for a major rebuild of the whole machine - thinking of choosing the lowest of the "high"
09:35<cockroach>Flimzy: maybe not, that's true.
09:35<cockroach>but stuff like compiz won't work
09:35<Nemoder>if you're getting a board with PCI-E you might as well get 8000 or 9000 series
09:36<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: You should be able to get a good deal on a Voodoo 5 on ebay :)
09:36<EmleyMoor>I see no point in not getting PCI-E
09:36<Flimzy>Only reason to get PCI-E is if that's all your mobo supports.
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09:36<cockroach>... and because it's shiny and new!
09:37<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: My existing motherboard is the cause of all my recent reboots, so it's going - or at least being retired to where no USB is needed
09:37<Nemoder>I'd like to say nice things about ATI for releasing their specs but until either the free drivers improve or I hear less complaints about the stability of their proprietary drivers I'd still have to recommend nvidia
09:37<EmleyMoor>Blimey, I've found a card with a 3* rating for less than £70
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09:37<Flimzy>Nemoder: You mean AMD.
09:38<Flimzy>Nemoder; ATI's open source policy completely sucked.
09:38<Nemoder>they still use the ATI brand
09:38<Nemoder>but ya
09:38<Flimzy>Nemoder: Yes, but it's AMD's decision.
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09:38<wilsonpaz>tudo bem
09:38<EmleyMoor>I have a CRT with a D-Sub 15 connector - do I need to choose a card that also has one? (presumably I do - or change the monitor)
09:39<HoallHouch>Hello, i need your help in a little thing. i want to change my standard programms. i mean when i klick on a link in kmail i want that iceweasel will open and not any kde application. where can i fix that? thanks four your help
09:39<stevecotton>Flimzy - don't you mean "Only reason to get AGP is if that's all your mobo supports"?
09:39<Flimzy>stevecotton: That would also be true.
09:39<Nemoder>EmleyMoor: most retail cards come with a converter
09:39<Flimzy>stevecotton: In fact, that's pretty much the only reason to get any specific form factor for your video card.
09:40<Flimzy>stevecotton: I'm doing 3-head on PCI (yes, legacy PCI) nvidia cards, and performance is perfect. The newer faster busses offer very little for most applications.
09:40<wilsonpaz>tem como falar portugues
09:40*stevecotton is out of the loop, and thought PCI-E was the current standard. Time to go and read.
09:40<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
09:40<Flimzy>Video busses get faster a lot quicker than video applications get faster.
09:40<Flimzy>stevecotton: Sure, it's the current standard. What's your point, though?
09:40<EmleyMoor>So, if I get a card with DVI-I, I can continue to use my existing monitor?
09:40<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Is your current monitor DVI-I?
09:40<EmleyMoor>Old analog
09:41<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Does the video card you're considering support VGA analog?
09:41<EmleyMoor>Er, that's what I'm asking
09:41<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Well I don't know what video card you're considering, so I don't know. You'll have to look at the specs on the video card.
09:42<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Most modern video cards support DVI and VGA... but not all.
09:42<cockroach>DVI-I *should* always carry an analog signal too, afaik
09:42<Nemoder>my eVGA card came with one of those adapaters
09:42<cockroach>that's what the '-I' means
09:42<EmleyMoor>DVI-I is DVI-D and DVI-A on a single connector AFAIK
09:42<Flimzy>cockroach: DVI does not always carry analog... but maybe DVI-I specifically means it does?
09:42<Flimzy>cockroach: gotcha
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09:42<wilsonpaz>mao intendo mada
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09:43<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Then, with an adaptor, you should be able to use your VGA monitor, yes.
09:43<jthomas>newsense: did you ever get Wicd wifi manager installed? does it work for you?
09:43<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: Good - one less expense at least for now
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09:44<EmleyMoor>(I'm not sure how much money is coming but I doubt it will be much over £2000)
09:44<Flimzy>You're spending 2000 on a new PC?
09:44<qq> £2000 !
09:44<erKURITA>Why not?
09:44<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: No - but I need to spend some of it on one
09:44<EmleyMoor>I need the rest for other stuff
09:45<Flimzy>Okay, well good luck to you.
09:46<HoallHouch>hello, can you please help me?
09:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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09:46<EmleyMoor>I don't think the card comes with a VGA dongle so I will have to find and factor in one of those too
09:47<Flimzy>For a play-by-play of EmleyMoor's shopping experience, tune in to #debian today at 13:00 UTC!!
09:47<HoallHouch>sorry i thought you have thougt it. it 1 minute ago, okay i have the problem that when i open a link in for example kmail konquerer will open it. but i want that any link or other stuff will be open with iceweasel. how ccan i fix that?
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09:48<meandtheshell>with LVM, what's the difference in using either lvextend or lvresize for growing a LV? I mean I could use both so what am I missing here ...?
09:48<Flimzy>HoallHouch: Google for "KDE default browser" and you'll find a bunch of answers.
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09:49<Flimzy>meandtheshell: lvresize supports shrinking as well.
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09:49<Flimzy>meandtheshell: They are both the same binary (symlinked to /sbin/lvmiopversion)
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09:50<Flimzy>meandtheshell: So just think of them both as convenient aliases to useful operations
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09:51<meandtheshell>right - figured that too / using lvresize OR the combo of lvextend/lvreduce actually makes no difference ;)
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09:55<EmleyMoor>Is there a means to convert a running system from i386 to amd64?
09:55<meandtheshell>Flimzy: how did you figure (command) /sbin/lvmiopversion? I have symlinks to lvm binary only.
09:55<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: No.
09:55<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Well, yes.
09:56<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: It involves booting from a Debian install CD :)
09:56<EmleyMoor>Not easy or not recommended or both?
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09:56<Flimzy>meandtheshell: ls -a /sbin/lvextend
09:56<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Not (conventionally) possible.
09:56<meandtheshell>I see
09:56<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: With enough effort, it might be possible... But if you're asking the question, then you don't have the experience necessary :)
09:57<EmleyMoor>On a new install, is it simple to RAID mirror two drives these days?
09:57<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Your best bet is to re-install. You can save your /home partition if you wish, though. No need to reformat that.
09:57<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Yes.
09:58<Nemoder>EmleyMoor: it's best to reinstall but you can use dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections to keep the same packages
09:58<Nemoder>er, re: i386->amd64
09:58<EmleyMoor>Nemoder: Good to know - would presumably want to copy custom configs from /etc too?
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09:59<EmleyMoor>Data partitions are no problem, of course
09:59<Nemoder>what I did is used a liveCD to move all my 32bit stuff to a subfolder, than installed without reformatting
09:59<EmleyMoor>I need more disk anyway
09:59<Nemoder>added advantage is I instantly have a 32bit chroot to use
10:01<EmleyMoor>I gather SATA support is pretty much fine these days... am I right?
10:01<meandtheshell>Flimzy: ok, obviously I am getting different date here ... i.e. no link to /sbin/lvmiopversion but /sbin/lvm hm ...?
10:01<Flimzy>meandtheshell: Which version of Debian are you using?
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10:01<Nemoder>SATA should be fine
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10:01<meandtheshell>Flimzy: check out the URL ;)
10:02<Flimzy>meandtheshell: I suspect your config is more "standard"... mine looks like it's for a system with multiple versions of lvm installed.
10:02<meandtheshell>but you are running testing or sid as well ... no?
10:03<Flimzy>meandtheshell: etch
10:03<meandtheshell>ok, well that might be it then ....
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10:06<EmleyMoor>What are the requirements for similarity of disks for RAID mirrors?
10:08<EmleyMoor>(i.e. do they need to be utterly identical, just similar or can they be fairly dissimilar (with limitations)?)
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10:17<the-dude>EmleyMoor: I would suggest to use 2 different disks
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10:23<EmleyMoor>the-dude: Yes, that's obvious. Just wondering how it would work if I picked, say, two disks to get it started and then needed to replace one, and couldn't get one exactly the same
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10:29<klimy>i am looking for a good newsfeed aggregator. it has to be cross-platform. there are so many out there and i do not know what to look for.
10:29<klimy>anyone has good suggestions?
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10:31<klimy>i work on different computers with different os. and it really get a pain to read newsfeeds.
10:32<klimy>anything i can install on my server?
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10:32<klimy>i do not like the idea google knowing so much about me.
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10:33<superjet_busy>kingsley: extensions for mozilla/FF?
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10:35<fxiny>klimy: a python reader ?
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10:38<klimy>fxiny: well i do not really care about the language underneath.
10:38<fxiny>klimy: i use rawdog
10:38<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I see - I think, if any one drive is any smaller, it will limit the others to the same size... likewise if one is lower
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10:38<klimy>fxiny: whats the pros and cons?
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10:39<fxiny>and snownews but snow is not portable
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10:39<fxiny>pros is one page with timestamp
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10:39<fxiny>klimy: i let cron run it and feeding it to firebus
10:39<noobman>anybody can help me pls with tweaking my nfs-server
10:40<noobman>he is so slow
10:40<EmleyMoor>Can I mirror my important partitions and stripe my junk, using the same disks>?
10:40<noobman>i tried all i know (it's not much)
10:40<the-dude>EmleyMoor: as long as space is more or the same then the other disks you will be fine
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10:42<EmleyMoor>(for example, to mirror all the stuff that is actually used and important enough to back up, and to stripe my "working areas" to make them bigger and/or faster, if no needed data is ever left there)
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10:43<magyar_>hi, looking for a python package equivalent to tlslite for etch
10:44<noobman>pls anyone?
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10:48<jMCg>noobman: ask your favourite search engine.
10:48<noobman>i did :P
10:49<jMCg>For general Linux Performance tuning, see
10:49<noobman>i used
10:49<noobman>but no changes
10:49<noobman>very long idle periods between every file transfer
10:50*jMCg goes to make some tea, while noobman will prepare some rough performance statistics (sar, mpstat, vmstat, iostat, netstat, and whatnot) so we know what we're dealing with.
10:51<noobman>i will do that right now
10:51<jMCg>Also time cp /very/big/file /nfs/server -- and time cp /nfs/server/very/big/file /tmp/foo
10:52<jMCg>Oh! And show me how NFS is configured -- i.e.: what the mount options are -- and what version we're talking in the first place
10:53<noobman>mount options on client are
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10:54<jMCg>And.... the supposed network speed in general, i.e.: ... ugmmpf.. forgot.
10:54<fabio>hi i have a intel wirless 3945 and i cant make works
10:55<fabio>@ kernel 2.6.26
10:55<jMCg>Do the tests while gradually doubling those.
10:55<jMCg>See if results improve.
10:55<noobman>how can i find my nfs version?
10:55<noobman>sry i m a newbie
10:57<fabio>skytramp when i install iwlWifi my network
10:57<fabio>my network manager dont have wireless option active
10:57<fabio>when i dont have iwlWifi i have this option but i cant find networks
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10:58<fabio>skytramp continue to wireless disabled
10:59<skytramp>modprobe iwl3945?
10:59<klimy>fxiny: i looked into rawdog. it looks promissing, but is it scalable? i was suprised that all the entries were listed one after another.
10:59<krishna>noobman: 'dpkg -l | grep nfs'
11:00<skytramp>fabio, install wireless-tools
11:00<klimy>fxiny: don't you get confused when you have a dozen feeds and all items are pasted chronologically.
11:00<noobman>ii libnfsidmap2 0.18-0 An nfs idmapping library
11:00<noobman>ii nfs-common 1.0.10-6+etch.1 NFS support files common to client and serve
11:00<noobman>ii nfs-kernel-server 1.0.10-6+etch.1 Kernel NFS server support
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11:01<krishna>noobman: those are the package you have installed which name match 'nfs' and the numbers in the midle are the version of the packages
11:01<fabio>skytramp i alredy have wireless tools
11:01<Goldjian>how do we get the conf video ?
11:02<noobman>so it s 1.0.10-6
11:02<noobman>what does the etch.1 mean?
11:02<Goldjian>no the streaming, but the recording ?
11:02<skytramp>fabio, try #iwlist scan (in a terminal)
11:02<krishna>noobman: sort of.... do a 'aptitude show nfs-kernel-server' and 'aptitude show nfs-common' to have more details
11:03<fabio>bash: iwlist: command not found
11:03<skytramp>as root
11:03<skytramp>fabio, log in a root
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11:04<krishna>noobman: etch.1 may mean that the package is specific to debian/etch, and may have been modified to fit that release
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11:04<fxiny>klimy: is not that bad . edit ~/.rawdog/config . i actually use a perl script to avoid confusion : use XML::RSS; and use LWP::Simple;
11:04<krishna>noobman: I mean, some debian-specific change in the original source
11:05<noobman>Version: 1:1.1.2-2ubuntu2.1
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11:05<noobman>thank you for clear explenation
11:05<fabio>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
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11:05<skytramp>fabio, weird
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11:06<fabio>i removed firmware ilw....
11:06<noobman>and common is 1:1.1.2-2ubuntu2.1
11:06<fabio>someone said with kernel 2.6.26 is dont needed
11:06<noobman>and what do you wanna know from netstat?
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11:06<jMCg>ARGH ><
11:07<skytramp>fabio, i have 2.6.25 tbh
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11:07<jMCg>I would very much like to get to know the folks who came up with the name 'mii-tool'... Once I manage to forget it, it takes me ages to come up with it...
11:07<fabio>skytramp and you have firmware installed
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11:08<skytramp>fabio, yes i have it installed
11:09<skytramp>fabio, aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
11:10<fabio>now reboot
11:10<skytramp>or modprobe
11:10<noobman>so jMCg you wanna see result of mii-tool?
11:10<jMCg>Yes, so, mii-tool, on both sides would probably be a good idea as well.
11:11<noobman>when i do the aptitude on server side i get this
11:11<noobman>Depends: nfs-common (>= 1:1.0.8-1), ucf, lsb-base (>= 1.3-9ubuntu3), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libgssapi2, libkrb53 (>=
11:11<noobman> 1.4.2), libnfsidmap2, librpcsecgss3, libwrap0
11:11<noobman>Conflicts: knfs, nfs-server
11:11<noobman>Replaces: knfs, nfs-server
11:11<noobman>Provides: knfs, nfs-server
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11:11<skytramp>fabio, reboot or do #modprobe iwl3945
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11:12<jMCg>Alternatively, you can use ethtool... which is less bad of a name.
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11:12<fabio>skytramp how i can take a screenshot @ debian
11:13<jMCg>noobman_: and quite right so.
11:13<skytramp>fabio, applications>accesories>take screenshot
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11:20<finek>hi, where can i check proceces, without using terminal
11:20<finek>in gnome
11:21<finek>i know that in terminal i must type "top" but is there any graphical program?
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11:22<Nemoder>finek: gps does that
11:22<massmc>finek, system monitor?
11:22<finek>is gps in testing?
11:22<finek>yes massmc
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11:23<massmc>add system monitor to one of your panels.. thats how i do it, maybe there is a better way
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11:24<fabio>dont work
11:24<finek>ok thx
11:24<skytramp>fabio, try #modprobe iwl3945 in a terminal
11:25<fabio>skytramp dont work
11:25<fabio>@ ubuntu worked :(
11:26<skytramp>fabio, is there a wifi switch on your laptop, are you sure it in on?
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11:26<fabio>skytramp yes
11:26<fabio>i think it is only a combination of keys
11:26<fabio>FN + F2
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11:27<cahoot>check dmesg
11:27<fabio>[16:24] <fabio> wlan 0 is not ready
11:27<fabio>[16:24] <fabio> apper before booting
11:27<fabio>[16:24] <fabio> to gdm
11:27<skytramp>there should be a hardware switch as well
11:27<fabio>where i have a asus a6jc
11:28<skytramp>fabio, i have lenny 2.6.25 and intel 4965 on a dell xps laptop and it works flawlessly
11:28<cahoot>check dmesg after modprobe iwl3945 fabio
11:28<fabio>skytramp @ windows xp and ubuntu 8.04 worls
11:28<fabio>cahoot how?
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11:28<skytramp>fabio, i bet they do
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11:29<noobman_>thx for help
11:29<noobman_>a friend is comming to help me
11:29<cahoot>fabio: type dmesg in a terminal
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11:29<noobman_>cause i don t know what kind of info i need to give you for help
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11:31<cahoot>fabio: don't paste the output as a /msg to me - use a pastebin
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11:41<fabio> its my output
11:41<fabio> my dmesg output
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11:41<fabio>[ 30.491927] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
11:41<fabio>[ 34.742195] iwl3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:
11:41<fabio>[ 34.742199] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work.
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11:41<fabio>[ 36.762451] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:41<fabio>[ 36.806322] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
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11:41<fabio>[ 36.874190] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
11:41<fabio>[ 36.913832] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:41<fabio>[ 36.967163] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
11:41<fabio>[ 37.154006] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
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11:42<fabio>[ 30.491927] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
11:42<fabio>[ 34.742195] iwl3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:
11:42<fabio>[ 34.742199] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work.
11:42<fabio>[ 36.762451] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:42<fabio>[ 36.806322] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
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11:42<fabio>[ 36.874190] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
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11:43<fabio>[ 36.967163] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
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11:43<weasel>fabio: DO
11:43<weasel>fabio: NOT
11:43<weasel>fabio: DO
11:43<weasel>fabio: THIS
11:43<weasel>fabio: AGAIN
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11:45<allos> help-me!
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11:52<Nemoder>allos: perhaps you can create placeholders for the missing files: touch /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf
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11:56<LEO_>how do I check who is connected to my server?
11:57<massmc>night everyone. sleep well when you get there..
11:57<LEO_>I need to see if anyone is running a vulnerability check on me
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11:57<Nemoder>LEO_: w
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11:58<LEO_>Nemoder, w?
11:58<Nemoder>LEO_: man w
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11:59<fabio>unstable are not recomended?
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12:02<skytramp>fabio, not reccomended unless you are a developer or you know what youre doing
12:03<fabio>i like updated packages
12:03<LEO_>Guys, I have apache 2.2.3, does anyone know how can I stop DDOS attacks on it?
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12:07<skytramp>fabio, packages pass from unstable to testing after 2 weeks or so, they are not that old
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12:07<fabio>yes but you said
12:07<fabio>lenny was frozen
12:07<fabio>until september
12:07<skytramp>yes its been frozen now
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12:08<jMCg>LEO_: mod_evasive is a way....
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12:08<fabio>why i cant rename to testing instead of lenny
12:08<skytramp>when it is released you can upgrade to the new testing branch
12:08<LEO_>jMCg, is there a mod_evasive for 2.2.3 ?
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12:09<skytramp>fabio, you can
12:09<jMCg>LEO_: it builds for 2.2.x I don't know if there's a Debian package.
12:09<fabio>skytramp i want use always testing
12:10<LEO_>jMCg, I dont know how to do it, and I need it Urgently
12:10<fabio>can i use testing instead of lenny
12:10<skytramp>ok rename to testing
12:10<fabio>or i need to rename
12:10<fabio>wnhen new branch come
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12:11<skytramp>no need if your apt points to testing
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12:12<jMCg>apt-cache search evasive | grep -i apache --- or install the apache dev package, download the source and build it with apxs (I'm pretty sure there's a README)
12:12<jMCg>LEO_: ^
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12:12<fabio>skytramp i will install testing
12:13<allos> help-me
12:13<LEO_>can I use libapache_mod_dosevasive package?
12:13<skytramp>fabio, ok)
12:13<LEO_>there is no libapache2_mod_dosevasive package?
12:13<fabio>skytramp thanks
12:14<jMCg>allos: file /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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12:14<skytramp>fabio, you're welcome m8
12:15<jMCg>LEO_: I don't know how to do it, and I need it Urgently --- is that a way of saying please hold my hand or spoon feed me?
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12:15<jMCg>Stop panicking, do what I told you.
12:16<LEO_>jMCg, there is no libapache2_mod_dosevasive, can i use libapache_mod_dosevasive?
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12:16<jMCg>No you cannot. Apache 1, 2 and 2.2 have different APIs and different ABIs
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12:17<jMCg>mcg@metis:~$ apt-cache search libapache2-mod-evasive
12:17<jMCg>libapache2-mod-evasive - evasive module to minimize HTTP DoS or brute force attacks
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12:18<jMCg>I wonder what I'm doing differently.... Why can I find it...
12:18<jMCg>Ah.. lenny vs etch
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12:18<LEO_>jMCg, what is the other security module out there for apache2?
12:19<LEO_>maybe that other one contains it?
12:19<jMCg>There's mod_security
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12:20<LEO_>jMCg, how can I install
12:20<jMCg>But IIRC, there is no mod_security build for Debian, for whatever reason.
12:20<jMCg>LEO_: I don't think so. Try looking for a backport -- or build it yourself.
12:20<LEO_>what is a backport
12:21<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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12:23<LEO_>jMCg, is there an instruction somwhere on how to do it? (build it myself)
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12:24<jMCg>LEO_: plenty, I would dare claim. Some of that you can get from dpkg (the bot here). Some of it you can get when downoading the source and reading the docs... etc...
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12:27<peterius>hi, its not really a problem, I like it, but I'm wondering why... I have a document that I use *** headers in for different parts, and NotePad just highlighted them in green... and I'm not sure why
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12:27<peterius>does it parse for lines that are used repeatedly and then highlight them as part of syntax coloring of document? or did I coincidentally choose a real header listing in my impromptu style
12:27<peterius>(or maybe gnome people would know better)
12:28<fxiny>notepad ?
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12:28<fxiny>ah gnome
12:28<LEO_>jMCg, I dont know what to download... and where from, or how. I'm doomed
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12:29<fxiny>LEO_: try /msg dpkg !simple sid backports
12:29<fxiny>good luck
12:29<peterius>actually its called (TextEditor)
12:30<fxiny>must be some syntax hilighning
12:30<fxiny>dunno , not using gnome
12:30<peterius>yeah I guess its not really a question worth asking, I just thought it was neat and wondered if anyone knew
12:30<jMCg>google mod_evasive: -> wget -c --- or, alternatively, $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list add lenny sources apt-get update ; apt-get source libapache2-mod-evasive etc....
12:31*peterius connects to gnome servers
12:31<LEO_>jMCg, what are the lenny sources? can you give me a few?
12:32<jMCg>Copy the lines that say etch or stable and replace them with either lenny or testing.
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12:33<peterius>dhclient or some dhcp client on my machine doesn't seem to recognize if "eth0: link not ready", how can I fix that?
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12:34<Marcin_M>hi how to compres .adf with Gzip (adf i amiga disk format)
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12:35<jMCg>Marcin_M: I can only seem to find unadf - for uncompressing them.
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12:36<jMCg>And no, you can't do that with gzip. gzip gzips.
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12:36<Marcin_M>on wikipedia is wrote that i can compres adf with gzip
12:36<klimy>fxiny: sorry i forgot to thank you for your help
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12:37<LEO_>jMCg, there is nothing to change there really, at least in URLS (in source list) or do i change stable that follows the url?
12:37<fxiny>klimy: np
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12:37<jMCg>Marcin_M: well, then man gzip shall be your friend
12:37<Marcin_M>i wrote man but there is no info :(
12:38<jMCg>Then try info gzip :P
12:39<jMCg>I mean, if wikipedia claims it, it must be true.
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12:39<allos> =z
12:40<Marcin_M>there is no info at google about it
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12:58<Leo2>Will someone please help me install mod-dosevasive?
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12:59<jMCg>Leo2: you CANNOT install mod_dosevasiv, it's for 1.x -- which is API and ABI incomatible with 2.x
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13:00<Leo2>jMCg, Can you check if there isa backport out there? Please
13:00<Leo2>Help me comile it once, and I will never bug you guys again, I need it urgently
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13:01<jMCg>Leo2: download the source. Install apache2-dev or whatever the package. Unpack the source, READ THE README, use apxs to compile it.
13:01<jMCg>See. Done now.
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13:02<dpkg>[handholding] something that the people here are *not* going to do for you.
13:02<stevecotton>Which is a bit techy but : a) it won't compile without work b) it's not going to be easy
13:02<jMCg>stevecotton: then again, what's easy :)
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13:03<Leo2>ok, how do I download source? what package do i install and how? I willr ead readme but what do i type to read it, what is apxs and how do i use to compile with it?
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13:04<stevecotton>If you have to ask about the first bit. you won't manage the API change bit.
13:04<jMCg>how about: apt-cache search apxs
13:05<jMCg>From my favourite bot: 17:02 <fajita> unix faq is
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13:06<jMCg>I like to read that FAQ at least once a month ;]
13:06<shell4u>is there any way to boost sound coming from my system? i have all sound levels cranked up to maximum right now but my ears aren't ringing yet. :(
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13:07<jMCg>apt-get install sound-booster ; or dpkg-reconfigure it to EAR-RINGING -- alternatively, get a real sound system.
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13:08<shell4u>yeah. all kidding aside. i was thinking about a application to help boost the gain in certain audio formats.
13:08<shell4u>on windows there was something called DFX audio enhancer. it worked really well.
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13:09<shell4u>i was thinking there must be something similar for *nix
13:09<jMCg>Then I have misunderstood you. I though you where thinking about something that does it on the hardware level
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13:09<stevecotton>shell4u: audacity?
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13:10<shell4u>yeah. but then i have to re-encode every audio file individually. i think vlc is my best option
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13:10<overflow>mencoder, ffmpeg maybe?
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13:11<jMCg>for i in $(locate mp3) ; doe mencoder or ffmpeg --some-fancy options here $i ; done # going for coffee now or something like that...
13:11<stevecotton>vorbisgain (in package of the same name) should be what you're looking for, but I haven't had success getting Audacious to obey the reply-gain tags
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13:17<shell4u>vorbis gain only works for ogg though
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13:49<EmleyMoor>Is there a document I should read before migrating a stable box to lenny?
13:50<EmleyMoor>(the release notes, perhaps?)
13:51<noflash>!tell EmilyMoor -about stable->testing
13:51<EmleyMoor>noflash: I'll look at that - it would have worked with the right spellling
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13:51<EmleyMoor>How do I get at the release notes to which that alludes?
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13:53<ja>Does anyone know why compiz disrupts the middle click in firefox?
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13:55<EmleyMoor>Where are the lenny release notes?
13:56<cahoot>not released yet?
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13:56<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Alluded to by etch->lenny
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13:58<EmleyMoor>If the notes are not release yet, they shouldn't be alluded to, surely
13:58<EmleyMoor>released even
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14:00<EmleyMoor>OK, if what I'm being told is they don't exist, so be it
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Trying to go to lenny results in lots of unresolved dependencies and lots of prompting "Try harder"
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Why would that be happening?
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14:17<EmleyMoor>Going to try one of my other systems
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14:22<g0to>hello there!
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14:23<g0to>I have an issue mounting some partitions
14:23<EmleyMoor>The dependency resolver - will it come up with some kind of solution eventually? If so, can you ask it to keep trying "permanently"?
14:24<shell4u>g0to: what's the problem?
14:24<shell4u>EmelyMoor: you might be at that for a while
14:24<g0to>when you set a mounting point, what kind of privileges has to have the directory?
14:24<shell4u>EmelyMoor: it will offer solutions and you can pick the one you like the best
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14:24<EmleyMoor>shell4u: But what if it thinks it is taking too long to even get one?
14:25<shell4u>g0t0: is this for your home pc?
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14:25<g0to>shell4u, I mean. I want to mount an ntfs partition in /mnt/win, and access it like a noroot user
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14:25<g0to>shell4u, yeah, home PC
14:26<shell4u>g0to: dont think you have to do anything special
14:26<EmleyMoor>shell4u: Can you tell it "Stop pestering me until you have come up with at least one solution"?
14:26<shell4u>create the directory using sudo. the normal user can still access it
14:26<g0to>I only can create directories under /mnt being root, so, what permissions it has to have?
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14:27<shell4u>EmelyMoor: those are all solutions. you have to pick one of them
14:27<EmleyMoor>No they are NOT!
14:27<shell4u>g0to: you don't need to set permissions on it
14:27<shell4u>EmleyMoor: ok then
14:27<EmleyMoor>I know what it *should* do - I have a machien on which it HAS
14:28<EmleyMoor>It DOESN'T on this one
14:28<g0to>shell4u, I tried to create it, but normal user cannot access the partition, even setting rw,user in fstab
14:28<shell4u>why don't you use synaptic?
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14:28<EmleyMoor>It keeps pestering me that it appears to be taking too long and asking if I want to try harder
14:28<shell4u>g0to: what commands did you use?
14:28<EmleyMoor>synaptic to go from etch to lenny? Is that supported as a method?
14:28<g0to>shell4u, I'm not using any command to mount it, it is set auto on fstab
14:29<glasya>I'm looking for a program to help me connect to my wireless network from the command line. The only way I've been able to connect is through nm-applet. Does anyone know a good command line program to connect to wireless networks?
14:29<shell4u>g0to: dunno about that. can root access the drive?
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14:29<shell4u>are you sure it's mounted
14:30<shell4u>glasysa: should be automatic
14:30<shell4u>is your wireless card "up"
14:30<g0to>shell4u, normal user can't see it. root can but can't read or write anything
14:31<g0to>shell4u, I installed ntfs-3g way
14:31<glasya>yea, I have it set in /etc/network/interfaces
14:31<glasya>and I also tried ifconfig ath0 up after login
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14:31<plugwash>Is the current draft of the lenny release notes availible online in html anywhere?
14:31<shell4u>g0to:what do you mean root cant read/write anything? and why aren't you using ntfs-3g?
14:32<EmleyMoor>shell4u: I will tell you precisely what this thing keeps asking me in a minute
14:32<glasya>g0to, the problem isn't connecting to the wireless network, I can do that just fine by starting gnome. I just want to be able to get on the wireless network without starting X
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14:32<shell4u>what's the output of ifconfig -a
14:33<shell4u>could you paste it?
14:33<glasya>shell4u, sorry
14:33<glasya>yes I'll paste it
14:33<g0to>shell4u, I am using ntfs-3g but still not having access to ntfs partition
14:33<g0to>shell4u, I will show you my fstab. One moment
14:33<shell4u>are you sure the partition is mounted?
14:33<shell4u>can you paste the output of "mount"
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14:33<shell4u>!tell glasya paster
14:34<shell4u>!tell g0to paster
14:34<glasya>shell4u, ^
14:35<EmleyMoor>shell4u: No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]
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14:35<shell4u>glasya: which one of those is your wireless interface?
14:35<EmleyMoor>I would like to tell it to try and keep trying until it DOES find at least one solution
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14:35<g0to>shell4u, here is mount output ->
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14:36<shell4u>g0to: and what commands are you using to access the drive? what directory are you changing to?
14:36<EmleyMoor>I'm not going to do this machine just now but I will need a way to get past this stage without constant intervention when I do
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14:37<shell4u>EmleyMoor: what are you trying to install?
14:37<g0to>shell4u, I'm just using nautilus file browser
14:37<shell4u>and what directory are you navigating to?
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14:38<EmleyMoor>shell4u: Trying to dist-upgrade, from etch to lenny#
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14:39<shell4u>EmleyMoor: can you paste your sources.list
14:39<g0to>shell4u, whatever, I can't access any directory
14:39<g0to>shell4u, here is my fstab ->
14:39<shell4u>what is shown in the location bar of nautilus?
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14:40<EmleyMoor>shell4u: If you suspect it might be something in my sources.list, I will trim it back to a standard one before trying again
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14:40<shell4u>well i don't know what is in your sources.list
14:40<g0to>shell4u, I can't see /mnt/win_disk on nautilus
14:40<EmleyMoor>It's virtually standard
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14:41<EmleyMoor>I will paste the lennified version for you
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14:42<EmleyMoor>What pastebin do we recommend these days?
14:42<knusper>i have a small problem...
14:42<knusper>my sound stopped working after an update
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14:42<knusper>i already ran alsaconf ... detects and configures the card ... but still no sound
14:42<knusper>all channels in alsamixer up to the max
14:42<knusper>still no sound??
14:43<knusper><<-- clueless
14:43<shell4u>!tell EmleyMoor paster
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14:44<knusper>i found out
14:44<knusper>it seems that line got muted
14:44<shell4u>g0to: what do you mean you cant see it?
14:44<shell4u>is the folder empty?
14:45<g0to>shell4u, I can't see in nautilus any win_disk drive
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14:45<g0to>shell4u, I'm gonna make the ant way. Slow but strong.
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14:46<g0to>shell4u, You say that doesn't matter mount point permissions?
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14:46<shell4u>g0to: try unmounting the drive and mounting it again manually
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14:48<g0to>shell4u, but only root can mount it
14:49<g0to>shell4u, I want to access it as a nonroot user
14:49<shell4u>g0to: is this your pc? do you know how to use sudo?
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14:49<shell4u>if you don't have root access then how are you editing fstab?
14:50<g0to>I'm not using sudo. I work like root (su) when I have to do root things
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14:51<shell4u>i've already told you. try unmounting then mounting it manually. use su if that's what you are comfertable with
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14:51<g0to>shell4u, but I don't want to mount the disk every time I boot up the PC
14:51<shell4u>have you managed to mount it at all? ever?
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14:52<g0to>I did, it works. But non root still can't see the disk
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14:52<shell4u>but root can?
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14:55<shell4u>that doesn't make any sense
14:55<g0to>neither for me
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14:56<g0to>wait, It has sense for me. If you mount it like a root, only the root can access it. I see on that way.
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14:57<jafo>Hello all. Can anyone help me with a knetworkmanager problem under lenny?
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14:58<jafo>I have manually added 2 WEP wireless networks (home and work) that both show up under "trusted networks" now.
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14:58<jafo>When I don't have cable plugged in at home knetworkmanager automatically connects to my home wifi, but at work I have to manually enter the SID and encryption key each tim.
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14:59<jafo>Both networks are in ~/.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc and my KDE wallet but the work one refuses to connect.
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15:00<EmleyMoor>jafo: How does it refuse? What happens?
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15:00<jafo>It just goes to the "no network found" symbol.
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15:01<jafo>When I right click on it the work wifi doesn't show up under "Wireless networks", but if I manually configure it again it connects.
15:01<EmleyMoor>jafo: Are you sure you have entered the keys correctly?
15:01<EmleyMoor>Is it hidden SSID?
15:01<EmleyMoor>If it's hidden SSID you may need to make an extra setting.
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15:02<jafo>Even if it's a hidden SSID once i manually configure it and it's listed as a trusted wifi network shouldn't it connect?
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15:02<EmleyMoor>jafo: Pass. You may need to make a special setting to instruct it to try,
15:02<jafo>I've tried everything for laptop wifi (guessnet, whereami, networkmanager) but none of them have worked well.
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15:03<jafo>Anyone have a good suggestion for roaming wireless on a laptop?
15:03<EmleyMoor>I haven't done anything with hidden SSID. I just use wpa_supplicant
15:03<jafo>(using Lenny)
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15:04<EmleyMoor>I have not yet done wireless with lenny
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15:04<jafo>EmleyMoor: yeah we haven't gone to WPA yet
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15:05<EmleyMoor>jafo: wpa_supplicant works with WEP too
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15:05<jafo>EmleyMoor: oh? I"ll have to check it out yet.
15:05<jafo>er, then.
15:05<jafo>EmleyMoor: that's one I haven't tried.
15:06<jafo>EmleyMoor: I've got the iwl3945 chipset too and it's been ugly ever since they changed to a kernel module insted of the daemon.
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15:21<zaikxtox>hello. i'm installing debian etch'nhalf on a server that has a 82801IR/IO (ICH9R/DO) SATA RAID Controller
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15:21<zaikxtox>there are two disks managed by the raid controller. debian should see them as only one, but i see both!!!
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15:22<zaikxtox>on theDevice Database of it says that i must use the ahci module
15:22<zaikxtox>that's what it does
15:22<zaikxtox>but i see the disks of the raid, and not the raid as one big disk
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15:25<acu>I want to have a apache webserver with multiple websites on one IP - is it better to keep the websites on /var/www or I should have a separate folder (hard disk for it ?)
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15:26<jafo>acu: usually you setup a different "DocumentRoot" for each virtualhost in the Apache conf.
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15:27<jafo>acu: then you can have a different index.html for and
15:27<acu>jafo: OK - and physically is it better to have every website out of /var
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15:27<jafo>acu: that's personal prefrence
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15:28<jafo>acu: you can put them in /var/www/sitea and /var/www/siteb if you like or move them somewhere else.
15:28<jafo>Just change "DocumentRoot" for each site to point to the proper location.
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15:29<Kjetil>if you have your websites on /var they might fill the /var partition and then no services on the machine would be able to log to /var/log
15:29<jafo>Kjetil: good point.
15:29<acu>I am going to employ a content management system - for each website - means I will have a postgresql database to each of website - plus a tons of videos etc - I was thinking that since /var contains some other important files - I should make a different folder for each of the websiteds
15:30<acu>jafo: your feedback is excellent
15:31<jafo>acu: my 1st time here, I came for help myself :)
15:31<jafo>acu: and i just happen to use apache a lot
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15:32<acu>jafo I am using debian from sometime but I am not expert -however what was your question
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15:34<acu>spider: welcome - just ask your question
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15:35<spider>I need mail-server SMTP just to send mail out
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15:35<spider>exim4 is already installed right?
15:35<spider>How can i config it to make it work?
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15:45<Rick>do I add the Icon nm-applet to my desk top. I had it there but trashed it by mistake
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15:47<makaraky>spider: I suggest you to read the documentation regarding exim4, because it will be very usefull for you.
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15:48<makaraky>spider: Belive me, you should know at least the basics and be carefull to do not allow Open-RElay otherwise you will be included in a RBL
15:49<spider>what is RBL?
15:49<qq>Relay Black List
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15:50<spider>ohh i see
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15:57<barnes>Will these two generate the same number both files always? wc -l /proc/net/ip_conntrack and cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_count
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16:01<lifeman>what way do you use for change the brightness of monitor? i used smartdimmer in ubuntu but it seem to be a native package
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16:33<mheinzes>i cannot set a priority to a local repository inside pbuilder
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16:33<mheinzes>Package: *
16:33<mheinzes>Pin: origin
16:33<mheinzes>Pin-Priority: 1001
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16:33<sander_m>Hello. Can someone help me with mdadm and LVM? I am trying to move a two-disk raid1 array containing an lvm volume group from my old Etch server to my new Lenny server. I copied over /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf from the old machine to the new machine. I also updated the filter in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf so that the lvm volume group isn't started (I'm not sure which device names they will get when I add the disks to the machine). Anything else I need to do
16:33<sander_m>? Need to be careful about?
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16:33<mheinzes>and APTCONFDIR=/etc/pbuilder/apt/ in etc/pbuilderrc
16:34<mheinzes>but i still get priority 500 file: ./ Packages
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16:34<mheinzes>any ideas why it does not work?
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16:41<grgdorn>xmms is not there anymore?
16:41<grgdorn>in sid and up?
16:41<grgdorn>in the repos i mean...
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16:42<qq>grgdorn: right
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16:43<grgdorn>well had to happen i guess...
16:43<qq>try audacious or xmms2
16:43<grgdorn>xmms2 is a standalone player? i thought it was only network streams
16:43<EmleyMoor>Updated my PBX to lenny and now the dial on my phone doesn't work
16:44<EmleyMoor>Know why, but it's still an "active" bug
16:44<grgdorn>i use amarok right now but im not happy with it
16:44<qq>i use vlc
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16:46<grgdorn>mplayer for music?
16:46<grgdorn>i guess....
16:46<makaraky>grgdorn: Well it works but do not have the nice features
16:47<grgdorn>yes... exactly my thought...
16:47<grgdorn>i kinda like equalizers :)
16:47<makaraky>but I love it, really mplayer plays whatever
16:47<grgdorn>well *thats* right
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16:48<grgdorn>in fact can I make it play a stream...? something like "unp video.arch.tar.gz | mplayer"?
16:49<qq>never .tar.gz
16:49<grgdorn>more like RAR :/
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16:49<grgdorn>but nevermind
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17:22*spider alright i use my root admin to see that dir /var/www/
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17:27<EmleyMoor>Just upgraded to etch and festival won't run - how do I find out why?
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17:27<EmleyMoor>Er, to lenny
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17:32<EmleyMoor>How do I trace why festival isn't running?
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17:33<Gathond>EmleyMoor: try running it from a terminal and see if it writes anything worthwhile
17:33<Gathond>if that fails strace or gdb are probably your best bets
17:34<EmleyMoor>A few seconds too late but if it still fails I will do that
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17:38<EmleyMoor>Doesn't festival come with an init,d script any more?
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17:43<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it doesn't
17:43<tremor>EmleyMoor: dpkg -L festival
17:43<EmleyMoor>tremor: It doesn't
17:44<tremor>EmleyMoor: a google search shows, that one has an selfmade init-script
17:45<tremor>maybe you can create one by yourself
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17:45<EmleyMoor>I didn't have to with etch
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17:46<sander_m>Eh... help! I added a few disks to my system and now Lenny won't boot. I can get past grub by entering the boot commands manually, but during the boot I get dropped to a busybox shell in initramfs. Now what?
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17:47<sander_m>It says "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
17:47<sander_m>No init found. Try passing the init= bootarg."
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17:54<sander_m>Please? Anyone?
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17:56<EmleyMoor>Have NoOps stopped displaying when verbosity is 3?
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17:57<plugwash>sander_m: most likely that means you specified the wrong drive or partition for the root filesystem
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17:57<sander_m>plugwash: I'm pretty sure I got the correct one (I got everything on LVM) but I'll reboot and try again just to be sure.
17:58<sander_m>plugwash: Can I issue a "reboot" command from the initramfs shell?
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17:58<sander_m>I can :-)
17:58<grgdorn>reboot that sucker :)
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18:00<EmleyMoor>I have intermittent CID on my FXO (!)
18:01<sander_m>Ha! It works! I probably accidentally specified /dev/mapper/linuxvg-boot instead of linuxvg-root as root filesystem :-)
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18:04<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... there's a patch for this
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18:05<EmleyMoor>If I get the source of a package and modify a file in it, how do I build and install my patched version?
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18:07<EmleyMoor>How do I rebuild a package having manually patched it, in other words
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18:12<kipman>!ask truecrypt
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18:13<dpkg>methinks truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See
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18:19<EmleyMoor>I have just patched a package - how do I build it?
18:19<plugwash>EmleyMoor, first you should modify debian/changelog and add an entry (or if you want to be sloppy just change the version number in the most recent entry) with a slightly higher version (e.g. add emlymoor1 to the end of the existing version number or something)
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18:19<plugwash>then do dpkg-buildpackage
18:19<plugwash>then use dpkg to install the resulting packages
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18:23<EmleyMoor>dpkg-buildpackage: error: unable to determine source changed by
18:23<EmleyMoor>Did exactly what was suggested
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18:24<EmleyMoor>Ah, hold on
18:25<EmleyMoor>How do I install the build-deps?
18:25<witte>EmleyMoor: apt-get build-dep <package>
18:26<EmleyMoor>47 of them (!)
18:26<EmleyMoor>Still, this bug wrecks my phone system so I must fix it
18:27<EmleyMoor>It looks like the Debian package has an "ineffective in UK" attempt to fix the same problem
18:29<EmleyMoor>Can I make my own version of a package that is itself module sources in the same way?
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18:29<plugwash>dpkg-buildpackage: error: unable to determine source changed by <-- this usually means you got your changelog format wrong, dpkg-parsechangelog is unfortunately rather fussy
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18:29<EmleyMoor>Yes, sorted it
18:30<EmleyMoor>asterisk is now building
18:31<EmleyMoor>The quality control on a package used worldwide like this should be better
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18:31<jordan>hi guys
18:31<EmleyMoor>Still, upstream is to blame for a lot of it
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18:33<jordan>got a question for ya: I have install a debian lenny, from minimal install, with xfce4. I would like to print but I can't do it, an I can't find info anywhere. I have a brother hl-2040
18:34<dpkg>cups is probably a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at (or so says, or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup>
18:34<witte>!cups setup
18:34<dpkg>i heard cups setup is install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db packages. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or you can try printconf
18:34<jordan>I have installed cups, and gutenprint
18:34<witte>jordan: ok, did you go to to see if your printer is supported?
18:34<witte>jordan: and how
18:35<jordan>and even installed printconf, wich is not working
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18:35<witte>jordan: ah,, no dash
18:36<jordan>witte: checking right now
18:37<jordan>witte: my printer did work 2 years ago, whe I wa using ubuntu
18:37<witte>jordan: it seems really slow
18:37<witte>jordan: ok, in that case it should work now as well
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18:37<jordan>witte: yeah it should...
18:38<jordan>witte: been trying to configure that for a couple of weeks now...
18:38<witte>jordan: probably just a case of installing the right drivers (ppds), and to configure it correctly
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18:40<witte>that is the text of it
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18:40<jordan>witte: think I got it... I wasn't in the cups group.....
18:41<jordan>witte: i'll try to login logout
18:41<jordan>witte: brb
18:41<LivingSouL>I am looking at /var/log/syslog and it shows logs like for only hours. how do I adjust syslog to like to log things for a month or a week?
18:41<witte>jordan: ok, although i think that is only for admin stuff...
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18:44<jordan>witte: do you know what is the group for printing
18:45<witte>jordan: normally lp, but can you print a test page as root?
18:45<witte>if you log in to http://localhost:631
18:48<EmleyMoor>Hmm... lots of generating of docs going on now
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18:50<witte>jordan: ^^
18:50<witte>jordan: it seems is no more, and it is now
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18:52<jordan>witte:my printer seem to be installed correctly
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18:53<krishna>LivingSouL: man logrotate
18:54<kipman>mmm so why is truecrypt non free having a skim through the license your allowed to make modfications?
18:56<EmleyMoor>kipman: Without reading the license, no idea
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19:08<SchreckLapTop>Hello all
19:09<SchreckLapTop>I'm having trouble with using my bluetotth USB on my laptop
19:09<SchreckLapTop>Hi plugwash :)
19:09<SchreckLapTop>When I use the key on the Win machine, the led flashes when searching for new devices
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19:09<SchreckLapTop>Now, connected on the laptop with Debian, I can not make it using hcitool command
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19:10<SchreckLapTop>Has anymone succeeded in doing this ?
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19:27<AndyJ>Hi people, I'm trying to connect to a Samsung SGH-A701 mobile phone, can anyone point me to a USB driver?
19:27<AndyJ>Wammu, Bitpm, usbview can all see it, but cannot communicate
19:28<AndyJ>Bitpm help suggests a linux driver "acm" but this doesn't appear to be current knowledge
19:29<SchreckLapTop>lol AndyJ I'm having problems to make my bluetooth dongle working
19:29<AndyJ>Even harder that what I'm trying to do.
19:29<SchreckLapTop>AndyJ: I can not install Wammu..
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19:29<SchreckLapTop>With aptitude
19:30<AndyJ>I installed it OK via Synaptic
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19:30<SchreckLapTop>AndyJ: Ok thanks I don't know what is is, I'll check
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19:30<witte>aptitude or synaptic are both frontends to the same program
19:31<AndyJ>From an X desktop: Desktop|Administration|Synaptic Package Manager
19:31<SchreckLapTop>witte: AndyJ Ok thanks
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19:31<SchreckLapTop>I've only icewm
19:32<AndyJ>witte: OK, I'll admit it, I'm lazy
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19:32<witte>AndyJ: why, nothing wrong with using synaptic
19:33<SchreckLapTop>I'm quite new using Debian
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19:33<AndyJ>witte: saves me remembering the command line syntax
19:33<witte>AndyJ: i just don't use it because if you update something big (let's say X) and it crashes you could get problems, but other than that, synaptic is great
19:33<SchreckLapTop>What's the command to see which modules have been included in the compilation ?
19:33<SchreckLapTop>CONFIG_BRIDGE_NETFILTER for example
19:34<SchreckLapTop>I'd like to know if it's active
19:34<witte>SchreckLapTop: cat /boot/config-...
19:34<SchreckLapTop>witte: Thanks :)
19:35<witte>SchreckLapTop: better: cat /boot/config-`uname -r` |grep CONFIG_BRIDGE_NETFILTER
19:35<SchreckLapTop>Like the `uname -r`
19:35<witte>AndyJ: what does bitpim tell you exactly with the acm driver?
19:35<SchreckLapTop>Thanks for this tip ! hehe
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19:36<AndyJ>Samsung phones use the Linux "acm" driver. This driver will automatically install with most modern Linux distributions will show up as the device /dev/usb/ttyACM0 or similar. If the acm driver does not automatically get loaded, load it with /sbin/insmod acm while logged on as root.
19:36<witte>SchreckLapTop: it is nothing really special, but very nice to know trick ;-)
19:36<witte>AndyJ: modprobe |grep acm
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19:36<witte>AndyJ: lsmod |grep acm
19:37<SchreckLapTop>witte: Sure, as I'm discovering the system :)
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19:37<SchreckLapTop>If I've got somting like CONFIG_BT=m
19:37<SchreckLapTop>I suppose it's not activated
19:37<witte>AndyJ: in console/terminal of course
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19:37<AndyJ>witte: cdc_acm 20128 0
19:37<SchreckLapTop>How could it be possible to active it ?
19:38<AndyJ>witte: sorry, slow with cut and paste
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19:38<witte>SchreckLapTop: that means the bt driver is a module and you can modprobe it if you want it
19:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:38<fabio>how can i install my nvidia Go 7300 driver
19:38<SchreckLapTop>Ok... modprobe, something new for me ! ^^
19:39*AndyJ grins
19:39<witte>SchreckLapTop: man modprobe (or just modprobe <module name>)
19:39<witte>fabio: non-free or free driver?
19:40<fabio>what disavantes of non-free
19:40<witte>AndyJ: looks ok i guess (not sure)
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19:40<AndyJ>witte: Just not working... looking further
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19:41<witte>fabio: the software is non-free as in speech but free as in beer
19:41<AndyJ>witte: Bitpm don't like people with driver issues... too many whiners...
19:41<witte>fabio: mostly license issues or not open source
19:41*AndyJ sighs
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19:42<witte>AndyJ: is it bitpm or bitpim?
19:42<fabio>witte free driver works
19:42<AndyJ>witte: Sorry, BitPim
19:42<witte>AndyJ: ah ok
19:42<dpkg>nv is probably the X4's free video driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or GeForce), does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX., Etch users: 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' 2.0.3-1 (available since 4.0r4) provides support for GeForce 8 series chipsets. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required instead, ask me about <nvidia>.
19:43<witte>fabio: ^^
19:43<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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19:43<witte>fabio: you need to choose between nv which is totally free, and good enough for many users, or the closed source nvidia drivers which have better 3d support
19:43<fabio>but i think nonfree is better for nvidia right
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19:44<fabio>witte i play sim city 4 under wine
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19:44<AndyJ>fabio: I use the non free driver to get the full resolution of my monitor and card
19:44<AndyJ>fabio: plus access to the card's cooling fan etc.
19:45<fabio>AndyJ it is hard to install non free driver
19:45<witte>!nvidia one-liner
19:45<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
19:45<witte>fabio: read the links that dpkg gave about nvidia first
19:45<AndyJ>fabio: It was not hard to install, but it means that I have to re-install every time there is an upgrade to X
19:46<AndyJ>fabio: this is annoying
19:46<fabio>ok and free driver
19:46<fabio>its difficult
19:47<fabio>with free driver i need to reinstall when i upgrade X or kernel
19:47<witte>fabio: that is just installing xserver-xorg-video-nv and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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19:48<fabio>free driver works with SIM CITY 4 under wine
19:48<witte>fabio: you can put a question mark on the same line as the actual question. This is commonly done in english language and it is not annoying at all
19:48<witte>fabio: on the other hand putting a single question mark on a line is
19:48<fabio>witte ok sorry.
19:49*AndyJ smiles and wags a finger at witte...
19:49<witte>fabio: why don't you just try
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19:50<witte>fabio: i don't have sim city, but you can install the free driver, see if it works as good as you want, and if it doesn't try the non-free version
19:50<fabio>when i can find information how to install my nvdia go 7300
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19:50<witte>01:47 <witte> fabio: that is just installing xserver-xorg-video-nv and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:51<witte>AndyJ: is your phone supported by bitpim?
19:51<fabio>witte this is for free or non free
19:52<krishna>fabio: probably there is a proprietary driver for your card available at the nvidia site, wich I supose will suport your card more properly than the free driver
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19:52<AndyJ>witte: It's not specifically listed as supported within the package, but I haven't found their website yet...
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19:52<witte>fabio: both are free, but the nvidia driver is closed source, this was the free one
19:53<fabio>krishna how i can install nvidia non-free
19:53<witte>!tell fabio about nvidia
19:53<AndyJ>witte: Sorry, mistyped... "found [it on] their website"
19:53<witte>fabio: read the stuff dpkg told you for the non-free driver
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19:55<witte>AndyJ: well, i don't have such a phone, so i don't really know if and how you can synchonize it
19:55<witte>krishna: you shouldn't advise those drivers, better to use the debian installer
19:56<fabio>this site dont have 7300
19:56<AndyJ>witte: no worries... I'm still looking around. There may be another package that suits this phone.
19:57<krishna>witte: yes I agree, I do not have a nvidia, and I do not even know if the proprietary one is better then the free one (in some cases it is)
19:57<krishna>witte: but he asked... ;-)
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19:57<witte>krishna: it depends on which card you have i believe.
19:58<fabio>this site dont have 7300
19:58<krishna>witte, fabio: to a previous question: the free driver is better because of freedom!
19:58<fabio>krishna yes i know but i need 3d acceleration
19:58<SchreckLapTop>I had forgotten to specify the device
19:58<SchreckLapTop>And set a name
19:59<krishna>fabio: it is your choice
19:59<SchreckLapTop>sudo hciconfig -i hci0 name ... :)
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20:01<witte>fabio: paste the output of "lspci |grep -i vga"
20:02<fabio>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] (rev a1)
20:02<cockroach>btw, i'm wondering: has anyone in here managed to get 3d acceleration working with the latest radeon driver on an rv570 card?
20:02<cockroach>i'm not going to ask too many stupid questions, just generally wondering whether i should keep trying :)
20:03<witte>cockroach: try #xorg on
20:03<cockroach>ok, thanks
20:03<witte>cockroach: if anyone knows if it is possible, they should
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20:09<witte>fabio: i think you can just use the nvidia driver such as installed using the following:
20:10<witte>!nvidia one-liner
20:10<dpkg>methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
20:10<Pitecantropus_35>hi, ... where can i get a new distro? delivered i mean
20:10<witte>fabio: so paste from "apt-get ..." until "...xserver-xorg" in your command line
20:11<fabio>witte i use debian testing
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20:11<dpkg>methinks nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:11<Pitecantropus_35>thx wit
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20:13<cata>hi guys... im with a problem... im using ubuntu and i have an atheros wireless card ubuntu says its using some propietary drivers but somehow the card isnt workin... at least i cant connect with the nm-applet... any ideas¡
20:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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20:14<cata>ok i know... but the guys there didnt give me a hand... thats why i came here...
20:15<AndyJ>l8r people!
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20:15<cata>it is an atheros wireless card and lets say the system doesnt recognize it
20:16<witte>cata: debian is not ubuntu
20:16<witte>cata: try the wiki/forums of ubuntu, most likely your question is already answered there
20:17<cata>ok thanks guys
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20:21<fabio>how can i update-pciids?
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20:23<witte>fabio: log in as root in a terminal
20:23<witte>and just paste the entire stuff that dpkg gave you
20:23<witte>starting from update-pciids
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20:25<fabio>O pacote nvidia-kernel-source não está disponível, mas é referenciado por outro pacote.
20:25<fabio>The package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referenced by another package.
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20:26<witte>fabio: as root: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:26<witte>and add "contrib" and "non-free" behind "main"
20:26<witte>coudl be a few times
20:26<fabio>i already made this
20:27<witte>apt-get update
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20:30<fabio>nvidia-kernel-common witte ?
20:30<witte>fabio: ?
20:30<fabio>instead of nvidia-kernel-source
20:30<witte>fabio: no
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20:31<filip4e>anyone online?
20:31<witte>fabio: it shouldn't
20:31<witte>fabio: did you do the apt-get update
20:31<witte>fabio: and afterwards tried again?
20:31<fabio>i dont have this package @ repp but i have nvidia-kernel-common witte
20:31<filip4e>i cant execute binary on my red-hat.. what should i do :(
20:31<filip4e>can i paste here output?
20:32<witte>filip4e: this is a debian forum
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20:32<witte>well, irc channel, not forum :-)
20:32<filip4e>where can i find red-hat support ?
20:32<drone77>it is a forum, just not in the internet sense of the word
20:32<witte>#redhat maybe?
20:33<filip4e>there is no #redhat :(
20:33<filip4e>ok thanks anyway
20:33<drone77>filip4e, try freenode?
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20:33<fabio>witte @ it is refferenced nvidia-kernel-common
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20:35<witte>fabio: you can try
20:36<witte>or you can install the correct version nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`
20:36<witte>i am not sure which one you need
20:37<witte>fabio: ignore that last thing, they only seem to be made for 2.6.18 kernels, and that is most likely not what you are running in lenny
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20:39<witte>fabio: for now, just try the open source driver it seems :-)
20:39<fabio>witte how
20:40<witte>The package has not yet entered testing even though the 10-day delay is over.
20:40<guilherme>when i try to use adobe reader i saw "/opt/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" hoe can i fix it?
20:40<witte>fabio: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv&& dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:41<witte>guilherme: how did you install acrobat?
20:41<witte>guilherme: do you know that there are acroread packages in
20:41<dpkg>well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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20:42<guilherme>witte i used the file from adobe site
20:43<witte>guilherme: better use the package from debian-multimedia: all dependencies will be installed, you will get an automatic update when there is a new version,...
20:43<fabio>nvidia-kernel-source failed
20:44<guilherme>witte: ok i will try thanks
20:44<witte>02:40 <witte> fabio: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv&& dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:47<fabio>witte done
20:47<fabio>i need to reebot
20:47<witte>fabio: just restart X
20:47<witte>fabio: ctrl-alt-backspace will do that, but save and exit everything first
20:47<fabio>witte can i have compiz
20:47<fabio>with this
20:47<witte>fabio: don't think so
20:48<dpkg>i guess compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
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20:52<fabio>i need non-free
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20:53<witte>fabio: first try if you can't improve the current settings
20:53<witte>fabio: aptitude install grandr
20:53<witte>fabio: and run it, see what you can configure
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20:54<fabio>witte but i want compiz
20:55<witte>fabio: ah yes, in that case you need the non-free driver
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20:55<witte>but i am unsure it works for your card?
20:55<dpkg>compiz is probably a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
20:55<fabio>witte in Linux mint it works
20:55<fabio>very well
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20:56<witte>fabio: ah, ok than it should work in debian as well
20:56<witte>fabio: to bad of the current status of the non-free driver in debian
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20:57<witte>fabio: you could use the unstable driver and use apt pinning, but I am not advertising this...
20:58<witte>fabio: well, it seems there is currently no nvidia driver for debian testing...
20:58<fabio>what you recemend?
20:59<fabio>what you recomend? witte
21:00<witte>fabio: well, i would try to use the nvidia driver from unstable, but this will give you a mixed system which is not really advisible
21:00<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences,, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
21:00<fabio>witte when can i have a driver in testing
21:01<witte>fabio: don't know, could be quite fast, or could take some time
21:01<witte>fabio: whenever the maintainers think the package is suitable for testing
21:02<witte>fabio: this page has most of the information:
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21:04<witte>fabio: maybe there are other solutions as well, i can't imagine no non-free nvidia card is working in testing, but i am not aware how to install it unless for apt-pinning (but i am no guru...)
21:05<fabio>witte @ site
21:05<witte>fabio: what do you mean?
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21:06<fabio>witte can i download driver directly from nvidia site
21:06<witte>fabio: ah, yes
21:06*witte thinks: stupid me
21:06<witte>fabio: probably that is the best solution for this momenet
21:06<fabio>witte its dificult
21:07<witte>fabio: I don't think so, there should be a README or INSTALL file...
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21:11<evilgold>does anyone know what might cause files to copy slowly TO an encrypted drive, but not from it
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21:16<martianixor>guys I'm having a problem getting the system started, when I get to X I wouldn't be able to move the mouse and during startup there're permission denied messages, last thing I remember before this problem is multiple power failures one of which followed by automatic fsck
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21:17<martianixor>I'm not sure how bad is the corruption, also not sure if it's a file system corruption never happened before
21:17<kp^>evilgold, speed of drive, type of encryption.... and if thats a network drive etc...
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21:17<martianixor>wondering where should I start..... I'm already at the logs
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21:18<witte>martianixor: what is in dmesg
21:18<evilgold>kp^, its an LVM of 3 SATA drives, they are encrypted with dm-crypt using the twofish cipher
21:18<witte>martianixor: can you upload it to a pastebin
21:18<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
21:18<guilherme>aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
21:18<guilherme>" how can i fix it??
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21:19<martianixor>witte not sure what to look for
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21:19<martianixor>witte huge
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21:19<witte>martianixor: error, fail, warning,...
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21:19<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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21:20<martianixor>witte but I have something like this in dmesg [ 9.498072] EXT3-fs: hda1: 5 orphan inodes deleted
21:20<kp^>evilgold, hows proc and cpu usage?
21:20<witte>martianixor: can you fsck your disks (can't hurt)
21:20<dpkg>fsck is probably a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck
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21:21<martianixor>witte also [ 7.751150] EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem
21:21<martianixor>witte well I actually tried but it's scary you know
21:21<kipman>I'm guessing there is no linux support at all for my webcam Bus 004 Device 002: ID 093a:262a Pixart Imaging, Inc. as I have the gspca driver installed and it looks like its working but when I plug my camera in its not detected by gspca
21:21<martianixor>witte I can't imagine losing my 2.5 years installation
21:22<evilgold>kp^, cpu usage doenst seem to go up very much during transfers
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21:22<witte>martianixor: i am no expert, but you should be able to recover everything (or most)
21:23<martianixor>witte what a decision, ok thanks alot, help is greatly appreciated :-)
21:23<evilgold>kp^, kcryptd uses only about 5% cpu
21:23<SchreckLapTop>Ok so... Problem with pairing bluetooth seemed to come from the /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf
21:23<SchreckLapTop>Method should be set to default password
21:24<kp^>evilgold, yeah, whats your mem usage like? im using 2fish on 10k scsi drives and it takes awhile.
21:24<witte>martianixor: fsck shouldn't hurt your system too much :-)
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21:24<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present. aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity " what can i do to fix it?
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21:25<witte>kipman: maybe this ubuntu link helps for you:
21:25<martianixor>witte good to to read that, thanks again, I'm going to try it most propably nothing more to lose
21:25<evilgold>kp^, I've notice that the slow copy to the drive uses 5% cpu, while copying from it to another encrypted drive uses 70%
21:25<witte>martianixor: but you better try first to have a live cd
21:25<witte>martianixor: make backups of whatever you have
21:25<martianixor>witte actually this is a live cd ;-)
21:26<witte>and do fsck on the disks unmounted
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21:26<martianixor>witte yup sure I've done it the very first time on mounted filesystem, no body learn for free
21:26<witte>kipman: although the gspca driver shoudl work, what do you get in dmesg when you plug the webcam in and out
21:26<evilgold>kp^, it doesnt tend to use much memory, i have 2GB ram
21:27<kp^>evilgold, raid array, or just a straigh volume?
21:27<kp^>evilgold, ok
21:27<martianixor>witte that was back in the days when I was transfering from something else to Linux
21:28<evilgold>kp^, its just a volume
21:28<witte>martianixor: well, i am not going to mention all the stupidities that i have done in the years i am using linux, but indeed, there is one way to learn stuff so that you never forget :-)
21:29<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work\ what can i do to fix it?
21:29<witte>kipman: which kernel?
21:29<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work what can i do to fix it?
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21:29<martianixor>witte no just giving you an idea on how much I'm not comfortable now using fsck
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21:30<kipman>2.625-2 amd64
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21:31<kipman>sorry typos: 2.6.25-2-amd64
21:32<witte>kipman: yeah, got that ;-). what does lsmod |grep gspca give
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21:33<witte>kipman: so it should work i guess
21:33<kipman>but it dosen't does that mean that my webcam is not suported?
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21:34<witte>don't know for sure, it has been a real long time since i used a webcam, looks like it recognizes something, i am just not sure if it is enough...
21:34<kipman>hmm well I should have something called video0 in /dev but I don't
21:35<witte>kipman: which debian are you using? lenny?
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21:36<kp^>evilgold, I wanna think its the configuration of the volume and how you have it setup. I would tend to think its a read/write setting that would need adjustment. I'm looking into it now..
21:39<kipman>witte do I need the latest version?
21:39<witte>kipman: it is not on the list it seems. Is the webcam extremely new?
21:39<kipman>yeah It was purchased from tescos the other day
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21:40<kipman>it was cheap fortunatly it has a good picture though
21:40<mossy>anyone recommend a firewall app that would be better than guidedog? i started with firestarter, but guarddog gives more control over specific protocols. i'm looking for a third option that would allow me to select a "trusted application" to make an exception for.
21:40<witte>kipman: maybe your best chances are to contact the person who makes those drivers?
21:40<kipman>do you think if I sent him my webcam he would be able to make a driver?
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21:41<witte>kipman: maybe he can even do some diagnostics from his home? could be that the difference between your webcam and an already existing one is small
21:42<witte>check his website if he mentions something on unsupported webcams and how to help :-)
21:42<kipman>right I will do that then
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21:42<witte>kipman: btw: his site is french, don't know how much it would cost for you to transfer it there and back again ;-)
21:43<kipman>I live in england it would cost more than the camera but would be woth it as I imagain lost of other people have the same problems
21:43<witte>mossy: you can make a trusted zone specific for that one application
21:44<witte>kipman: better to send him money to buy himself such a cam in a nearby shop :P
21:44<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work what can i do to fix it? i tried to reinstal compiz but didn't work.
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21:44<kipman>hmm well tescos has taken over england I don't know if they have done the same in france yet
21:45<kipman>I don't think technika is a well known brand
21:45<witte>kipman: the only thing that matters is the chipset it uses
21:45<witte>the rest is just plastic
21:46<witte>and the chip is pixart, of which most seem to be supported
21:46<SchreckLapTop>Something strange... When entering...
21:46<SchreckLapTop>sudo aptitude install wammu
21:46<SchreckLapTop>Couldn't find package wammu
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21:48<witte>kipman: those people gave him something so he would make drivers...
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21:49<kipman>mmm will do it the morning too late atm
21:49<kipman>very tired
21:49<kipman>night all
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21:50<kipman>thanks for the help
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21:50<mossy>witte: are you familiar with the process of making a new zone?
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21:50<phillipsjk>mossy: sounds like you want something like zonealarm. If you do your day-to day surfing as a normal user, your firewall shouldn't get comprimised by malware. For "changed program" functionality, try the results of: "apt-cache search tripwire"
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21:50<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work what can i do to fix it? i tried to reinstal compiz but didn't work.
21:51<mossy>didn't know zonealarm made a linux client
21:51<witte>mossy: first or second tab, you have local (all save) and internet (all evil), and you can make other ones
21:51<witte>!tell guilherme about repeat
21:51<phillipsjk>mossy: they don't (as far as I know)
21:51<mossy>thanks phil. not
21:52<guilherme>sorry, but it is driving me crazy, sorry
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21:53<phillipsjk>Mossy: what, specificly do you want to accomplish? I suggested using a combination of tools. (Your firewall and somthing like 'tripwrie')
21:53<mossy>i cant get quake to connect to the net without disabling my firewall.
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21:54<SchreckLapTop>Is it possible that a package is present on a mirror and not on another one ?
21:54<witte>guilherme: which graphics driver do you use, reinstall it
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21:54<witte>SchreckLapTop: yes, but unlikely
21:54<phillipsjk>do you know what port quake uses? are you trying to act as a server? Q1 is 2600 iirc.
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21:55<SchreckLapTop>witte: Ok thanks. It's strange, I'm not able to install wammu with aptitude
21:56<guilherme>witte ok, i will do thanks for all, and sorry again
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21:56<witte>SchreckLapTop: upload your sources.list to a pastebin
21:56<witte>!tell SchreckLapTop about pastebin
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21:56<SchreckLapTop>witte: That was what I was about to do
21:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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21:58<SchreckLapTop>witte: Do you have a solution for copying / pasting ?
21:58<SchreckLapTop>With XTerm from icewm
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21:58<witte>you mean select and middle mouse button?
21:58<SchreckLapTop>I've no possibility to do it with right clic
21:59<witte>as anywhere in linux
21:59<SchreckLapTop>I've a touch pad
21:59<witte>two buttons at the same time
21:59<SchreckLapTop>Ok thanks I'll try
21:59<witte>but that is not always enabled (you should though)
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22:03<SchreckLapTop> 1 #
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22:04<erKURITA>are you trying to paste something into the channel?
22:04<SchreckLapTop>Problem with clipboard
22:05<SchreckLapTop>I'm trying to paste the link
22:05<erKURITA>is it hard to press ctrl+c ?
22:05<erKURITA>then ctrl+v to paste it?
22:06<phillipsjk>SchreckLapTop, The rudimentry text selection copy & paste goes with the LAST peice of text selected.
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22:06<SchreckLapTop>erKURITA: It doesn't work so
22:07<erKURITA>what an odd laptop you've got there
22:07<SchreckLapTop>lol erKURITA
22:07<SchreckLapTop>Using icewm and XTerm
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22:08<erKURITA>I'd recommend you to add another setup
22:08<SchreckLapTop>The laptop is not so old
22:09<SchreckLapTop>erKURITA: What do you mean (I'm beginning with Debian)
22:09<erKURITA>Having just with the security repository is like missing out the other arm
22:09<erKURITA>let's see
22:12<SchreckLapTop>phillipsjk: On another machine
22:12<erKURITA>My net's dying
22:12<erKURITA>SchreckLapTop where you at
22:13<SchreckLapTop>i've got as source
22:13<SchreckLapTop>i've got as source etch main
22:13<erKURITA>so what you pasted isn't your entire sources.list, right?
22:13<SchreckLapTop>It is the one from the laptop
22:14<SchreckLapTop>The other one is running on a virtual machine
22:15<erKURITA>so, in /etc/apt/sources.list, you've only got the security repository? In other words, what you pasted in is the contents of that file?
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22:16<SchreckLapTop>erKURITA: Yes
22:17<SchreckLapTop>If I add the same thing as what's on the virtual machine
22:17<SchreckLapTop>i've got the following error message after havint send
22:17<SchreckLapTop>sudo aptitude instal wammu
22:17<erKURITA>you're missing an l (as in lowercase L) there
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22:18<SchreckLapTop>W: Couldn't stat source package list etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.u-strasbg.fr_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
22:18<SchreckLapTop>W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files
22:19<phillipsjk>SchreckLapTop, I had a similar problem untill I used 'dselect' instead of 'aptitude' for the initial hit.
22:19<erKURITA>issue an apt-get update
22:19<erKURITA>sudo apt-get update
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22:20<SchreckLapTop>Ok it downloads stuff now
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22:20<SchreckLapTop>Thanks ! :)
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22:22<phillipsjk>Does anybody know how to check which groups you belong to without the benefit of the /etc/groups file? (I am playing with NIS)
22:24<erKURITA>you could try changing files belonging to another group and see if you can, given that the permissions are correctly set for that
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22:25<phillipsjk>I need to run through the alsa-checklist (factoid). Silly thing is, I'm stuck on step 1. (run alsaconf as root)
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22:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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22:27<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
22:27<Bladesman>Hello. Anyone know a command line util to audibly let someone know if mail arrives?
22:28<guilherme>i have a problem with gdesklets
22:28<erKURITA>oh gdesklets
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22:29*Bladesman is looking for something that will do something like playing "You've got Mail!" at you.
22:29<erKURITA>That looks like serious business
22:30<witte>SchreckLapTop: sorry, i was gone for a moment (phelps won ;-))
22:30<witte>SchreckLapTop: is it solved with wammu?
22:30<erKURITA>Bladesman you could code a daemon to check your mailbox in time to time, and play with a CLI media player a sound file of your liking
22:30<witte>Bladesman: in which application, iceweasel does already do something like that
22:31*Bladesman is blind and can't use the GUI until the get orca running well.
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22:32<erKURITA>Probably orca does that
22:32<erKURITA>It should, nevertheless
22:32<witte>Bladesman: ah, ok, don't know of such an application
22:32<matong>Bladesman: Maybe check out the mutt wiki or the mailing list.
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22:33<Bladesman>Don't have much in the way of web access either from the command line. Links2 isn't all that javascript savvy, unfortunately.
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22:35<Bladesman>Oh well, Just thought I'd ask before running an "apt-cache search mail" and wade through it all. Thanks folks.
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22:36<phillipsjk>Bladesman before HTML 4, that was a feature!
22:37*phillipsjk is blind while typing
22:37<guilherme>i have a problem with gdesklets when i try to oppen it they say about this error
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22:44<phillipsjk>any comment from me would be speculation. (Gnome uses 256MB now?!)
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23:01<SchreckLapTop>If someone sees witte
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23:01<SchreckLapTop>It's solved ! ^^
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23:02<martyn>hey : Night :)
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23:05<martyn>:D I have been compile and install pidgin.. but I dont kno how I run pidgin :( ..
23:05<SchreckLapTop>martyn: You're lucky
23:06<SchreckLapTop>I've had lot of problems with it
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23:06<SchreckLapTop>Always compiler or header something like that missing
23:06<phillipsjk>try: 'pidgin &' in a terminal window.
23:06<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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23:12<martyn>command not found :(
23:13<martyn>i'm try recompile...ç
23:14<phillipsjk>if you compiled it yourself, you may need to specify the exact path. if you are in the directory: './pidgin &' (ls would show its presence)
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23:18<Leo2>how can I view memory used by system? I need to find out of one of the program has memory leaks cos sever slows down
23:19<phillipsjk>the literal answer: 'free' for information of (CPU) hogging processes: 'top'
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23:21<Leo2>phillipsjk, thank you
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23:22<Leo2>phillipsjk, what do i do it "top" command does not fit on screen?
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23:22<RIVE>Hi lukehasnoname.
23:23<lukehasnoname>ok, I didn't know if my connection was quite up and running.
23:23<lukehasnoname>thanks rive
23:24<phillipsjk>Leo2, read through 'man top', or just resize the window.
23:25<RIVE>np lukehasnoname.
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23:31<Leo2>Does anyone know if apache creates separate child process for each request?
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23:41<path>is there a way to downgrade or migrate amd64 to i386 ?
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23:41<path>supposedly I'm using amd64 and want to go back to i386
23:42<RIVE>path, the only way is a clean x386 install.
23:42<martyn>pidgin installed on debian :)
23:42<path>RIVE ok :-)
23:43<path>and thanks, I was reading every single thread on mailing lists
23:43<RIVE>path, why you want a x386?
23:43<SchreckLapTop>Have a good night all ! :)
23:44<SchreckLapTop>& thanks ;D
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23:53<tom-bbl>hi would anyone know anything about the alpha architecture and srm bios?
23:54<Leo2>I am looking at "top" system processes and apache2 is using lot of cpu spread by many instances run by www-data
23:54<Leo2>is this people ging into the site?
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23:56<dpkg>WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha
23:56<dmoerner>not much hope i'm afraid
23:57<tom-bbl>i have a hardware problem, i am getting kernel panic, but looks like noone can help
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