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---Logopened Fri Aug 15 00:00:09 2008
00:00<Obligatory>"oftc"?
00:00<dmoerner>oftc instead of freenode
00:00<dmoerner>irc networks
00:00<dmoerner>#debian on freenode has 800 people and is comparatively more active
00:01<Obligatory>Ah. Thanks, when I started 'xchat' I clicked a different server for some reason. Guess I'll try freenode.
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00:02<LEO_>what do I type to configure apache NOT start on reboot?
00:02<LEO_>using rcconf...
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00:04<dmoerner>rcconf you just uncheck the box to stop it from starting on boot
00:04<dmoerner>Obligatory, "ubuntu servers" = "freenode" on xchat default install
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00:08<Obligatory>Tnx.
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00:17<LEO_>dmoerner, I am using SSH, there are not uncheck boxes
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00:17<LEO_>is there a command I can run to stop Apache from automaticaly starting onr eboot?
00:19<dmoerner>LEO_, update-rc.d
00:19<LEO_>is there ahowto somwhere? I dont know what to type in
00:19<dmoerner>update-rc.d apache2 stop 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 S
00:19<dmoerner>update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 .
00:19<dmoerner> update-rc.d -f foobar remove
00:19<dmoerner>from man foobar
00:19<dmoerner>the last two examples
00:20<dmoerner>*man update-rc.d
00:20<LEO_>what's all the numbers for? o 1 2 3 4 5 6 ...?
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00:21<dmoerner>those are the runlevels you want to stop it from running on
00:21<dmoerner>S = startup
00:21<dmoerner>2-5 = multiuser runlevels
00:21<dmoerner>etc
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00:23<LEO_>So which one should I use from all the commands that you've given me?
00:23<LEO_>dmoerner,
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00:24<Tsuki>Does anyone have experience with getting a LambdaMOO up and running on Debian?
00:24<dmoerner>LEO_, use either of the last two
00:24<dmoerner>i'd recommend update-rc.d apache2 stop 20 2 3 4 5 .
00:25<LEO_>So if I type in "update-rc.d apache2 stop 20 2 3 4 5 ." apache will not start on it own onr eboot, correct?
00:25<dmoerner>yes. you must run the command as root
00:26<LEO_>what would I need to do in order to reenable it again?
00:26<Tsuki>Or, here's another question: How do I get files from my desktop to my linux box, who are both on the same LAN
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00:28<dmoerner>LEO_, the same command but with "start" instead
00:29<dmoerner>Tsuki, scp if both are running linux
00:29<dmoerner>otherwise samba
00:29<Tsuki>Samba? I'm running XP on one machine and Debian on the other. The Linux box is running in console only mode
00:30<LEO_>dmoerner, thank you very much
00:30<LEO_>dmoerner, just to confirm, there's a dot (.) after 5 in the command right?
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00:33<Tsuki>Trying to remember the command. I don't use Linux enough. It's not GET. >.<
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00:35<dmoerner>LEO_, yes
00:35<dmoerner>Tsuki, you need to use "smbclient"
00:36<dmoerner>or mount using "smbfs"
00:36<LEO_>dmoerner, thank you
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00:38<LEO_>dmoerner, when I type in "update-rc.d apache2 stop 20 2 3 4 5 ." I get "System startup links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist."
00:39<LEO_>dmoerner, Does that message mean it did not apply changes?
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00:41<dmoerner>LEO_, hm try the remove command
00:41<dmoerner>i'm not familiar with update-rc.d i always use sysv-rc-conf myself
00:41<LEO_>dmoerner, "update-rc.d -f apache2 remove" ???
00:42<LEO_>ok, how do i use that
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00:43<LEO_>dmoerner, I dont really mind using anything, just to get job done, remove autostarting apache and add autostarting apache onre boot, those 2 comands
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00:44<dmoerner>yes
00:44<dmoerner>just run that command
00:44<dmoerner>if all else fails
00:44<miksuh>yeah, i tried to downgrade to polder udev. I did not solve that automounting problem.. So maybe it really is that gnome-volume-manager which is causing it
00:45<dmoerner>just go to /etc/rc2.d
00:45<dmoerner>ls
00:45<miksuh>polder=older
00:45<dmoerner>and change "K##apache2" to "S##apache2"
00:45<dmoerner>which is the super manual way to do it
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00:46<miksuh>for some reason that gnome-volume-manager just don't start at first login. Someone else has already made bug report
00:47<LEO_>dmoerner, if I use "update-rc.d -f foobar remove" how would I reenable it in future?
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01:05<dmoerner>LEO_, as i said you would add it back to runlevels 2 3 4 5
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01:07<LEO_>dmoerner, thanks
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01:50<dmoerner>i tried asking this in #debian-mentors but no one responded...how do I get cdbs to listen to the CFLAGS set in the Makefile of a source package instead of using the generic -g -O2 -Wall
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01:53<EricB>what's wrong with the generic -g -O2?
01:54<dmoerner>EricB, i'm trying to build netconfig from the pump sources and it won't build without a specific set of flags
01:54<dmoerner>it builds with a manual "make all" call from a normal dh_make debhelper setup but not with cdbs
01:55<dmoerner>as far as i can tell the change in flags between cdbs and the dh_... calls is the only difference
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02:27<glasya>I'm trying to get the color of the text in the console to green. I have the framebuffer set up at the resolution I want and I have console-setup installed. I can't find any information about how to set up console-setup to do what I want (or if it even does such a thing). Does anyone know how to do this or if it is even possible?
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02:32<rgnr>ppl
02:32<rgnr>gotta problem
02:32<rgnr>can't rename a file
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02:32<rgnr>Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 1) line 1, near "/usr/bin"
02:32<rgnr> (Missing operator before bin?)
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02:45<enouf>LEO_: you reinstall it, which would run the .postinst script, which would recreate the rcX.d symlinks - that said; "/msg dpkg rcconf"
02:46<LEO_>enouf, reinstall apache?
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02:50<enouf>LEO_: erm, ya know, now i'm not entirely sure - i'd try "update-rc.d apache2 defaults" atleast prior, but i was thinking of a apt-get{aptitude} --reinstall install pkgname (i use rcconf for ease, so not sure)
02:51<enouf>!info insserv
02:51<dpkg>insserv: (boot sequence organizer using LSB init.d script dependencies), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.12.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 260 kB
02:52<LEO_>enouf, thank you for advice
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05:02<razvan>is there a free pdf ebook organizer for debian?
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05:02<razvan>is there a free pdf ebook organizer for debian?
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05:05<path>yes
05:05<path>:/
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05:09<hachi>I'm running xen in debian stable and I've stolen libnss-ldapd from testing (cause it's not in stable) and I'm getting the 4gb seg fixup glitch... while already running libc6-xen
05:10<hachi>the only process throwing it is nslcd... and when I do an ldd `which nslcd` it says it's going to load the nosegneg version of libc dynamically
05:10<hachi>restart it, and it still happens
05:10<hachi>anyone have a clue how to figure out why it still does this?
05:11<path>indeed is an interesting question
05:11<path>:-)
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05:19<padski>razvan, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-book. it would seem that there are many e-book formats ?
05:20<padski>razvan, there is something in lenny called libepun & ebook-tools-dbg "library and tools to work with the EPub file format"
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05:20<padski>libepub
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05:28<cryingtux>hello
05:29<cryingtux>how can i change locale from purtugese to english? can somebody guide me please?
05:30<fxiny>cryingtux: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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05:31<cryingtux>fxiny : thanks, i tried this but there is a confusion
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05:32<cryingtux>everything is in pourtegese and i dont know what is says
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05:32<massmc>piu piu
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05:35<fxiny>cryingtux: try : LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
05:35<cryingtux>thanks
05:35<fxiny>and check : less /etc/environment
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05:36<cryingtux>thanks, now it`s english and i can understand what it says
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05:37<fxiny>cryingtux: np
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05:37<cryingtux>i will upload a screenshot
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05:39<cryingtux>http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1tu4.png
05:39<cryingtux>so from here i go to set it to english
05:41<cryingtux>fxiny :http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot2sm8.png
05:41<cryingtux>am i going correct?
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05:43<fxiny>cryingtux: yes
05:44<fxiny>cryingtux: use space bar to set the star
05:44<cryingtux>oh thanks, that was a big problem as i would press tab and then enter and all i would see pourteges again as the default language set
05:46<cryingtux>fxiny : ok all set, so do i reboot system now?
05:46<fxiny>cryingtux: you lucky : i've just repaired my crystall ball ;)
05:46<fxiny>cryingtux: no reboot
05:46<fxiny>cryingtux: just log out from your session
05:47<cryingtux>thanks, you did a great job, please keep your crystal ball handy, i might need it again :)
05:47<fxiny>heheeh
05:47<cryingtux>i will be right back after a logout :)
05:47<fxiny>is a fragile item
05:47<cryingtux>but worthy :)
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05:47<fxiny>cryingtux: wait a sec
05:47<fxiny>ops
05:48<fxiny>kuru ?
05:48<fxiny>aaaargggg
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06:23<cryingtux>hello
06:23<skytramp>hi
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06:23<cryingtux>fxiny:
06:23<cryingtux>skytramp: hello
06:24<skytramp>lol dont know how this thing works
06:25<cryingtux>there was a review on lenny on DW today
06:25<cryingtux>its says beta, so is it really beta?
06:26<cryingtux>http://www.deviceguru.com/2008/08/14/testing-debians-lenny-kde-beta/
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06:27<skytramp>i have lenny too, installer is beta2 but im quite a noob tbh
06:27<skytramp>hi marco
06:28<cryingtux>fxiny is debian seasoned but i guess he is busy atm
06:28<cryingtux>fxiny : are you here?
06:29<skytramp>i installed lenny with netinstall cd beta 2 and it works great
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06:30<fxiny>cryingtux: yes
06:30<cryingtux>fxiny: have you installed lenny?
06:30<fxiny>cryingtux: not yet
06:31<fxiny>i've done a quick upgrade
06:31<fxiny>cryingtux: you talking about /. lenny review ?
06:31<cryingtux>fxiny: yes
06:32<skytramp>only problem kernel 2.6.25 with xen doesnt get along with nvidia, i had to recompile
06:32<cryingtux>do you think is this worth try to install it statum verbatim as that guy has done?
06:32<fxiny>xen ? there is a talk about virtualization today at db8
06:33<skytramp>yes xen is default on kernel 2.6.25 from debian
06:33<fxiny>cryingtux: lenny will be release soon . yes , going for lenny is a sensible thing
06:33<cryingtux>fxiny: then i guess i will download the kde cd instead of trying out debian based distros
06:34<skytramp>they said release on september but who knows
06:34<cryingtux>i am on kurumin and its ok, but not upto the mark
06:34<fxiny>cryingtux: yes , steer away from *any* "based" : go for real
06:35<skytramp>i have straight debian lenny tbh
06:35<cryingtux>so i get the iso from here? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/
06:35<fxiny>cryingtux: i noticed you are on kurumin but i somehow feel you are interested in debian : am i right ?
06:35<skytramp>only issue super maryo chronicles not working lol
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06:36<cryingtux>fxiny: infact i am, i would like to run it my system as main os
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06:37<fxiny>cryingtux: good : you might be interested in watching some nice talk : http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf8/Streams
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06:37<fxiny>cryingtux: that will add to your choice for sure :)
06:37<Sertse>the debian site is crazy confusing but. I always get lost trying to find the cds
06:37<cryingtux>i have opened the link
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06:38<skytramp>yes lots of stuff on debian.org
06:39<cryingtux>fxiny: i have used kanotix but the developer of kanotix would not like to upgrade kde from 3.5.5 onwards
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06:39<cryingtux>so many developer made restrictions, so i had to move on
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06:39<cryingtux>i guess this is the time to put my hands on lenny no matter how unstable it is atm
06:40<skytramp>not that unstable
06:40<cryingtux>indeed
06:41<cryingtux>i will put the iso on download and take a nap, and give it a try in evening when i get up
06:41<fxiny>cryingtux: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
06:41<cryingtux>fxiny: i will check this too
06:42<skytramp>how come my keymap is screwd using this irc?
06:42<cryingtux>fxiny : so is this the correct link to download iso file?
06:42<cryingtux>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/
06:42<fxiny>yes
06:42<fxiny>skytramp: utf8 ?
06:43<skytramp>let me check
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06:47<skytramp>the problem is system wide, its st ive just installed
06:49<skytramp>brb
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06:49<fxiny>!keymap
06:49<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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06:59<skytramp_>#ubuntu
06:59<Baggy2>Is it possible to figure out if make failed from within a script?
06:59<Lethalman>Baggy2, check $? after make
06:59<Lethalman>it shouldn't be 0 if make failed
06:59<Baggy2>yes tried: if [ "$?" -eq 1 ]
06:59<Lethalman>not necessary 1
06:59<Lethalman>different than 0
07:00<Lethalman>-ne 0
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07:01<Baggy2>Lethalman: I've checked the return value of make both on success and failure. It is the same in either case :( it returns the lines that were executed in the makefile
07:02<Lethalman>mh?
07:02<Lethalman>haven't understood what you said
07:02<Lethalman>if the return value is the same that's definitely a bug
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07:06<Baggy2>Lethalman: Thanks, there still was an error in the makefile (two missing spaces) even though make did not print an error message, that is why it returned the string in both =)
07:06<rgnr>פפך
07:06<rgnr>ppl
07:06<rgnr>how the hell does it works with rar?
07:07<Lethalman>rgnr, eh?
07:07<rgnr>Lethalman: how do i use rars?
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07:08<rgnr>Lethalman: i've got a movie in rar archives and i cannot extract it
07:08<Lethalman>rgnr, aptitude install unrar
07:08<rgnr>Lethalman: etch?
07:08<Lethalman>the non-free version, which i recommend since the free version doesn't always work
07:08<Lethalman>rgnr, try
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07:09<rgnr>well where do i get nonfree?
07:10<rgnr>btw
07:10<rgnr>it needs some glibc 24
07:10<Lethalman>add add non-free to sources.list
07:10<Lethalman>main contrib non-free
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07:11<padski>should firefox in etch work over ssh X forwarding ?
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07:12<rgnr>Lethalman: http://security.debian.org/etch/updates main contrib non-free?
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07:13<skytramp_>?
07:13<Lethalman>rgnr, yes
07:13<Lethalman>aptitude update && aptitude install unrar
07:13<Lethalman>rgnr, errr no that's security
07:14<Lethalman>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
07:14<skytramp_>how come i cannot open links in xchat?
07:14<Lethalman>skytramp_, right click on it
07:15<skytramp_>did it
07:15<Lethalman>xchat or xchat-gnome?
07:15<skytramp_>xchat-gnome
07:15<skytramp_>0.18
07:15<skytramp_>just installed im a noob
07:16<skytramp_>im italian too btw
07:16<Lethalman>i don't use the -gnome version so i can't say
07:17<skytramp_>maybe ther's a config file somewhere
07:17<skytramp_>to set deafult browser
07:18<skytramp_>gtg for lunch thnx all
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07:19<Kloiahack^Linux>Baggy2// Hello
07:20<Kloiahack^Linux>Oh.. sorry...
07:20<Kloiahack^Linux>i will call ByHan... sorry...
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07:21<Baggy2>np
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07:24<rgnr>Lethalman: how do i edit sources without gedit
07:25<Lethalman>rgnr, with an editor on console
07:25<Lethalman>vim, jmacs, nano
07:25<rgnr>Lethalman: jmacs?
07:25<Kloiahack^Linux>jmacs?
07:25<Lethalman>yes
07:25<Lethalman>from joe's editors
07:25<Kloiahack^Linux>oh..http://jmacs.org/
07:26<Lethalman>no
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07:26<Lethalman>apt-cache show joe
07:26<Lethalman>that's it
07:27<Lethalman>it contains jmacs
07:27<Kloiahack^Linux>wow, i see.
07:27<rgnr>well howw do i edit with vim?
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07:28<rgnr>how do i save?
07:28<Lethalman>rgnr, :wq!
07:29<Lethalman>i suggest you to use nano the first times
07:29<fxiny>vim comes with the admission ticket :P
07:29<rgnr>lol
07:29<rgnr>weird macros
07:29<fxiny>but if you know emacs you can use jed or mg
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07:29<fxiny>i'd use vim
07:30<Lethalman>if you know emacs you can use jmacs
07:30<Lethalman>lol
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07:30<Lethalman>no one knows about it
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07:30<rgnr>dammit where's debian org located?
07:30<rgnr>germany?
07:31<rgnr>bash: lol: command not found
07:31<rgnr>lol
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07:32<fxiny>why not qemacs then ?
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07:33<rgnr>hell yeah
07:33<rgnr>cool
07:33<rgnr>i win't change to ubuntu
07:33<rgnr>lol
07:33<rgnr>dunno why
07:33<fxiny>what ?
07:33<fxiny>ubu ? argggg
07:33<rgnr>lol
07:33<rgnr>ubuntu
07:33<rgnr>'ts cool for some reason
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07:34<rgnr>almost as easy as windows
07:34<fxiny>1 hour and a half to next debconf talk : this counts
07:35<fxiny>is windows easy ? can't find bash or perl : must be hiddent soooo deeep :P
07:35<fxiny>hidden*
07:36<rgnr>actually i will change to ubuntu
07:36<rgnr>soon
07:36<fxiny>who cares ?
07:36<rgnr>any1 can explain me the difference?
07:36<Lethalman>fxiny, because jmacs is only console and lightweight for fast changes
07:36<fxiny>Lethalman: i know jmacs , yes :)
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07:37<fxiny>but i use jed or mg
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07:38<fxiny>i have a chip in my brain ; a conf file ? run vim
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07:38<Rogue>Quick Question: Anyone here have experience with IPTables and PPTP
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07:41<Guest1816>brb
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07:52<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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08:02<lucas_amorim>Hello, I have just installed debian lenny in a machine that has to SSDs, a 4GB one and a 16GB one (asus eeepc). But, during installation, due to my lack of attention, I forgot to set up the home partition on the 16GB ssd, then it installed everything and also the home dir in the 4GB ssd. Can I change it now? after installation?
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08:07<E0x>lucas_amorim: just format the 16GB one , mount it to another location something like /homenew , copy everything fro /home/ to /homenew/ , then change the /etc/fstab and change the driver of /home/
08:08<E0x>reboot
08:08<E0x>and everything will OK
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08:08<lucas_amorim>ok, In the fstab, what am I going to enter?
08:09<lucas_amorim>/dev/sdb# /home and options?
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08:09<lucas_amorim>or /dev/sdb# /homenew and options?
08:09<lucas_amorim>I a bit confused
08:09<lucas_amorim>I am *
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08:10<E0x>just change the device /dev/sd# for the new one
08:10<E0x>with the new one*
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08:11<lucas_amorim>EOx: but there is no home device yet
08:12<lucas_amorim>my fstab only shows this: /dev/sda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
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08:12<lucas_amorim>and the other disk is sdb
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08:13<E0x>lucas_amorim: add it then
08:13<E0x>but
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08:13<E0x>rename the old /home/ to /homeold
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08:13<E0x>and the /homenew/ to /home/
08:13<lucas_amorim>ahhh, I get it
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08:14<lucas_amorim>an then just add /dev/sdb1 /home ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 ?
08:14<E0x>lucas_amorim: everything after you copy the /home/ ( old ) to /homenew/
08:14<lucas_amorim>ok
08:15<E0x>lucas_amorim: that can work , just verify that sdb1 is the 16GB drive and is format in ext3
08:15<lucas_amorim>gonna try this after my class that will start in 5 min....
08:15<E0x>ok
08:15<lucas_amorim>ok!
08:15<lucas_amorim>thank you!!!
08:15<E0x>np
08:15<lucas_amorim>bye
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08:25<skaczacy>hello
08:26<skaczacy>mozna tu mowic popolsu czy english only ?
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08:51<matheus>oi
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08:52<padski_>oggy
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08:55<Zathras>Hi. I need to have access in Debian to some Windows based Adobe fonts so I can edit an OpenOffice doc which uses them. Is there a howto on this subject?
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08:58<padski_>Zathras, google "X fonts"
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08:58<Zathras>have you ever tried googling on something too obvious like "X"? : google will ignore it
08:59<padski_>Zathras, I tried the query before I recommended it
09:00<padski_>top hit was this: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/fonts/X-Window-System-fonts.html
09:01<Zathras>I am familiar with fonts etc. But this is not about ordinary, but on windows fonts
09:01<padski_>Zathras, do you know what formet the fonts are in ?
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09:01<Zathras>no. Windows files from Adobe
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09:01<padski_>Zathras, perhaps http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/FAQ
09:02<padski_>or ...
09:02<padski_>!fonts
09:02<dpkg>well, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>.
09:02<Zathras>they are not truetype fonts
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09:04<jMCg>Hello happy people.
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09:06<cyberjames>jMCg: hi
09:06<jMCg>My Etch installation is offering me to upgrade GRUB now having had bad experiences with the combination of Grub+Xen+8GiB RAM, I'm wondering if anyone else has been there, done that and seen how beautifully it all works out.
09:06<jMCg>I have looked at the ChangeLog, but at first glance it seemed rather unconclusive.
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09:07<jMCg>s/unc/inc/
09:07<Gekz>jMCg: dont fix what isnt broken
09:07<Nemoder>http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=646675&cid=24612003 ouch
09:07<jMCg>Gekz: so put grub to DON"T UPGRADE List and be happy?
09:07<Gekz>jMCg: pretty much
09:08<Gekz>unless its a security update
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09:08<jMCg>I highly doubt that (again, from the rather inconclusive ChangeLog)
09:08<padski_>Zathras, Type 1 ? OpenType ?
09:09<padski_>Zathras, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_font
09:10<Zathras>looking into stuff now. ty
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09:11<jMCg>Hum. Does Lenny already have KDE 4.1?
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09:13<stevecotton>Sid doesn't have much (any?) of KDE4.1 yet.
09:13<stevecotton>!kde
09:13<dpkg>[kde] a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels
09:14<jMCg>Yup... looking at this apt-get safe-upgrade, it shows k<stuff> 4:9.5.9-x
09:14<Nemoder>!kde4
09:14<dpkg>i guess kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>.
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09:16<chealer>jMCg: only small parts. better asking #debian-kde
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09:19<jMCg>chealer: reading the blog.
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09:20<EmleyMoor>Is there any difference between ATI, NVIDIA or any other for compatibility with Debian?
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09:21<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Some chipsets have better support in Linux than others.
09:22<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: Of that I'm aware - just interested in which was most likely to have good enough support for using Google Earth, really...
09:22<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Any card that works in Linux should work with google earth.
09:22<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: But just comparing brands isn't really very useful. Some ATI chipsets work better than some Nvidia chipsets, while some nvidia chipsets work better than other ATI chipsets.
09:23<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: I know that to be untrue - I had to change mine because the drivers were unsuitable and no suitable ones were available
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09:23<jMCg>AMD bought NVIDIA, and started open sourcing as many of the drivers and chipsets as possible.
09:23<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: You're asking "Which is faster? Ford or Chevy?" The answer is "Some Fords are faster than some Chevys, some Chevys are faster than other Fords"
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09:23<Nemoder>jMCg: no, AMD bought ATI
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09:23<jMCg>Ah well... names...I never were good with them anyways....
09:23<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Then you're obviously the expert. I don't know why I'm bothering to try to help you.
09:24<EmleyMoor>OK, I'm asking in general terms, which would YOU choose?
09:24<chealer>EmleyMoor: yes. most importantly, Intel beats all others.
09:24<Flimzy>chealer: That's obviously a worthless overgeneralization.
09:24<chealer>Flimzy: why?
09:24<Flimzy>chealer: Because it's not true.
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09:25<chealer>Flimzy: why?
09:25<Nemoder>if you want to run only free software then intel is your best bet
09:25<EmleyMoor>I have a supplier who grades their products (on a blunt 3-point scale) with the 3* being the best... but there's a wide choice.
09:25<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: I use nVidia, because historically modern ATI cards have shoddy Linux support. But as has been pointed out, AMD bought ATI, and has opened the specs--but I don't think any useful drivers have come from that yet. But eventually, ATI drivers will probably be better than nVidia.
09:26<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: The main argument *against* nvidia, is that their drivers are not open source.
09:26<Gekz>eventually.
09:26<Flimzy>chealer: Because it's not true.
09:26<Gekz>eventually isnt good enough
09:26<chealer>Flimzy: why?
09:26<EmleyMoor>I don't see the point in spending a fortune on a graphics card for what I do... but it does need to be a "one shot" decision
09:26<cockroach>not really. if you don't care about 3d acceleration the free ati drivers are great, too
09:26<Flimzy>chealer: I have an onboard Intel chip on my board... I tried pairing it with about 5 different offboard vid cards for dual-head, couldn't get it to work in any combination.
09:26<cockroach>(also, 3d is coming "real soon" there)
09:26<fxiny>amd bought ati and now has balance in red :P
09:26<Flimzy>chealer: Switching to two offboard nvidia cards gets 3head to work perfectly.
09:26<cahoot>aren't they all if yoo only use 2d?
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09:27<Flimzy>cockroach: ATI drivers are great, if you don't care that your X server crashes randomly :)
09:27<Flimzy>chealer: Intel cards may be good in some situations... but like I said, your overgeneralization is worthless, because Intel (nor any other brand) is *always* going to be best for all situations.
09:27<cockroach>Flimzy: heh, had those crashes with radeonhd, true. but the plan 'radeon' driver works pretty flawlessly.
09:28<jMCg>Plan? Plan 9?
09:28<Nemoder>if you are comparing proprietary drivers I would also recommend nvidia simply because of their history of decent support, but ATI is getting better
09:28<chealer>oh well, I assumed he was talking about video chipsets.
09:28<cockroach>Flimzy: i think you forgot a "not" somewhere in that sentence :)
09:28<chealer>I have to go
09:28<Flimzy>cockroach; Indeed. heh
09:28<EmleyMoor>So, one opinion is that nvidia support is already good, albeit not always open source, but ATI is on the up?
09:28*cockroach never got more than about 10-30 fps on his x1950 with fglrx
09:28<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: If you don't need 3D, Matrox might be your best bet.
09:29<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Matrox makes some pretty kick-ass 2D cards, and their drivers are very mature.
09:29<Gekz>Matrox suck
09:29<Gekz>imo.
09:29<Flimzy>Gekz: Matrox is pretty rock-solid for 2D.
09:29<Nemoder>I think matrox has best picture quality in 2D
09:29<EmleyMoor>Matrox do indeed suck - although I had them for years
09:29<cockroach>Flimzy: i think you have to be careful with that statement. the P650 i used to own for a few days came with a *terrible* closed-source driver. the g400++ cards, however, used to work just great, that's true
09:29<Flimzy>Supports some of the fastest performance for 2D, and best flexibility for weird configurations.
09:30<EmleyMoor>It was a Matrox I had to stop using because of Google Earth
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09:30<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Then perhaps google earth uses 3D
09:30<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: A 3D app would indeed suck on a matrox card.
09:30*Flimzy wonders if EmleyMoor is beginning to understand why asking which brand is "best" is a pretty silly thing to ask
09:30<cockroach>i think you can play quake2 or so on a g400 :)
09:31<EmleyMoor>How is support for Geforce 7000 series these days?
09:31<Flimzy>cockroach: Probably... Q2 supports software rendering, IIRC.
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09:31<Gekz>EmleyMoor: using nv and nvidia, very good
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09:31<cockroach>Flimzy: i think the g400 might be "fast" enough for q2 hardware rendering, even
09:31<Gekz>s/and/or
09:31<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: I need to make a "snap" rather than "stew" choice between the two due to the layout of my supplier's site
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09:31<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: That uses the standard closed source nvidia driver, or the open nv driver that has less excellerated support.
09:31<cockroach>... or "nouveau"
09:32<Flimzy>cockroach: You can probably play Q2 on a Trident card :)
09:32<cockroach>:)
09:32<Nemoder>heh trident
09:32<EmleyMoor>They have a 3* card based on that
09:32<Nemoder>maybe with the software renderer on a fast cpu
09:32<cockroach>or ttyquake. or whatever it was called.
09:33<EmleyMoor>How about 8800GS?
09:33<Gekz>cockroach: nouveau?
09:33<Nemoder>I have had an NVIDIA 5900, 7600 and now an 8600 and they have all worked great
09:33<Nemoder>using the proprietary drivers that is
09:33<cockroach>Gekz: the under-construction-opensource-3d-driver for current nvidia cards
09:33<Gekz>nice.
09:33<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: I believe any GeForce 4 or newer will use the latest closed nvidia driver.
09:34<EmleyMoor>I went to a 53something, I think - but the motherboard is about to be scrapped
09:34<Flimzy>EmleyMoor; And some older models, too.
09:34<cockroach>http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
09:34<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: And any GeForce 7 or 8 or older will support the older nvidia closed driver.
09:34<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: So IOW, any GeForce has great (closed source) support in Linux.
09:34<Nemoder>nouveau is still a long way from good 3d support
09:34<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: If all you're doing is google earth, spend US$20 on a GeForce 4MX, and be done with it.
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09:35<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: I'll ship you my old one for US$20 + US$5 shipping for domestic shipping :)
09:35<cockroach>EmleyMoor: but be careful, last time i checked, the 'legacy' nvidia driver (the one for older cards) lacked quite a lot of features
09:35<Flimzy>cockroach: Those features won't matter for google earth :)
09:35<EmleyMoor>I have money coming soon for a major rebuild of the whole machine - thinking of choosing the lowest of the "high"
09:35<cockroach>Flimzy: maybe not, that's true.
09:35<cockroach>but stuff like compiz won't work
09:35<Flimzy>indeed
09:35<Nemoder>if you're getting a board with PCI-E you might as well get 8000 or 9000 series
09:36<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: You should be able to get a good deal on a Voodoo 5 on ebay :)
09:36<EmleyMoor>I see no point in not getting PCI-E
09:36<Flimzy>Only reason to get PCI-E is if that's all your mobo supports.
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09:36<cockroach>... and because it's shiny and new!
09:36<cockroach>:)
09:37<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: My existing motherboard is the cause of all my recent reboots, so it's going - or at least being retired to where no USB is needed
09:37<Nemoder>I'd like to say nice things about ATI for releasing their specs but until either the free drivers improve or I hear less complaints about the stability of their proprietary drivers I'd still have to recommend nvidia
09:37<EmleyMoor>Blimey, I've found a card with a 3* rating for less than £70
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09:37<Flimzy>Nemoder: You mean AMD.
09:38<Flimzy>Nemoder; ATI's open source policy completely sucked.
09:38<Nemoder>they still use the ATI brand
09:38<Nemoder>but ya
09:38<Flimzy>Nemoder: Yes, but it's AMD's decision.
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09:38<wilsonpaz>tudo bem
09:38<EmleyMoor>I have a CRT with a D-Sub 15 connector - do I need to choose a card that also has one? (presumably I do - or change the monitor)
09:39<HoallHouch>Hello, i need your help in a little thing. i want to change my standard programms. i mean when i klick on a link in kmail i want that iceweasel will open and not any kde application. where can i fix that? thanks four your help
09:39<stevecotton>Flimzy - don't you mean "Only reason to get AGP is if that's all your mobo supports"?
09:39<Flimzy>stevecotton: That would also be true.
09:39<Nemoder>EmleyMoor: most retail cards come with a converter
09:39<Flimzy>stevecotton: In fact, that's pretty much the only reason to get any specific form factor for your video card.
09:39<Sertse>hi
09:40<Flimzy>stevecotton: I'm doing 3-head on PCI (yes, legacy PCI) nvidia cards, and performance is perfect. The newer faster busses offer very little for most applications.
09:40<wilsonpaz>tem como falar portugues
09:40*stevecotton is out of the loop, and thought PCI-E was the current standard. Time to go and read.
09:40<cockroach>!pt
09:40<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
09:40<Flimzy>Video busses get faster a lot quicker than video applications get faster.
09:40<Flimzy>stevecotton: Sure, it's the current standard. What's your point, though?
09:40<EmleyMoor>So, if I get a card with DVI-I, I can continue to use my existing monitor?
09:40<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Is your current monitor DVI-I?
09:40<EmleyMoor>Old analog
09:41<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Does the video card you're considering support VGA analog?
09:41<EmleyMoor>Er, that's what I'm asking
09:41<Nemoder>EmleyMoor: http://www.jkcomputersystems.com/Assets/Pictures/items/AD-ZOG-DVI-VGA.jpg
09:41<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Well I don't know what video card you're considering, so I don't know. You'll have to look at the specs on the video card.
09:42<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Most modern video cards support DVI and VGA... but not all.
09:42<cockroach>DVI-I *should* always carry an analog signal too, afaik
09:42<Nemoder>my eVGA card came with one of those adapaters
09:42<cockroach>that's what the '-I' means
09:42<EmleyMoor>DVI-I is DVI-D and DVI-A on a single connector AFAIK
09:42<Flimzy>cockroach: DVI does not always carry analog... but maybe DVI-I specifically means it does?
09:42<Flimzy>cockroach: gotcha
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09:42<wilsonpaz>mao intendo mada
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09:43<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Then, with an adaptor, you should be able to use your VGA monitor, yes.
09:43<jthomas>newsense: did you ever get Wicd wifi manager installed? does it work for you?
09:43<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: Good - one less expense at least for now
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09:44<EmleyMoor>(I'm not sure how much money is coming but I doubt it will be much over £2000)
09:44<Flimzy>You're spending 2000 on a new PC?
09:44<Flimzy>Ouch
09:44<qq> £2000 !
09:44<erKURITA>Why not?
09:44<EmleyMoor>Flimzy: No - but I need to spend some of it on one
09:44<EmleyMoor>I need the rest for other stuff
09:45<Flimzy>Okay, well good luck to you.
09:46<HoallHouch>hello, can you please help me?
09:46<Flimzy>!ask
09:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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09:46<EmleyMoor>I don't think the card comes with a VGA dongle so I will have to find and factor in one of those too
09:47<Flimzy>For a play-by-play of EmleyMoor's shopping experience, tune in to #debian today at 13:00 UTC!!
09:47<HoallHouch>sorry i thought you have thougt it. it 1 minute ago, okay i have the problem that when i open a link in for example kmail konquerer will open it. but i want that any link or other stuff will be open with iceweasel. how ccan i fix that?
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09:48<meandtheshell>with LVM, what's the difference in using either lvextend or lvresize for growing a LV? I mean I could use both so what am I missing here ...?
09:48<Flimzy>HoallHouch: Google for "KDE default browser" and you'll find a bunch of answers.
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09:49<Flimzy>meandtheshell: lvresize supports shrinking as well.
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09:49<Flimzy>meandtheshell: They are both the same binary (symlinked to /sbin/lvmiopversion)
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09:50<Flimzy>meandtheshell: So just think of them both as convenient aliases to useful operations
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09:51<meandtheshell>right - figured that too / using lvresize OR the combo of lvextend/lvreduce actually makes no difference ;)
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09:55<EmleyMoor>Is there a means to convert a running system from i386 to amd64?
09:55<meandtheshell>Flimzy: how did you figure (command) /sbin/lvmiopversion? I have symlinks to lvm binary only.
09:55<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: No.
09:55<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Well, yes.
09:56<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: It involves booting from a Debian install CD :)
09:56<EmleyMoor>Not easy or not recommended or both?
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09:56<Flimzy>meandtheshell: ls -a /sbin/lvextend
09:56<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Not (conventionally) possible.
09:56<meandtheshell>I see
09:56<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: With enough effort, it might be possible... But if you're asking the question, then you don't have the experience necessary :)
09:57<EmleyMoor>On a new install, is it simple to RAID mirror two drives these days?
09:57<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Your best bet is to re-install. You can save your /home partition if you wish, though. No need to reformat that.
09:57<Flimzy>EmleyMoor: Yes.
09:58<Nemoder>EmleyMoor: it's best to reinstall but you can use dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections to keep the same packages
09:58<Nemoder>er, re: i386->amd64
09:58<EmleyMoor>Nemoder: Good to know - would presumably want to copy custom configs from /etc too?
09:59<Nemoder>yes
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09:59<EmleyMoor>Data partitions are no problem, of course
09:59<Nemoder>what I did is used a liveCD to move all my 32bit stuff to a subfolder, than installed without reformatting
09:59<EmleyMoor>I need more disk anyway
09:59<Nemoder>added advantage is I instantly have a 32bit chroot to use
10:01<EmleyMoor>I gather SATA support is pretty much fine these days... am I right?
10:01<meandtheshell>Flimzy: ok, obviously I am getting different date here ... http://rafb.net/p/bZWtYS40.html i.e. no link to /sbin/lvmiopversion but /sbin/lvm hm ...?
10:01<Flimzy>meandtheshell: Which version of Debian are you using?
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10:01<Nemoder>SATA should be fine
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10:01<meandtheshell>Flimzy: check out the URL ;)
10:02<Flimzy>meandtheshell: I suspect your config is more "standard"... mine looks like it's for a system with multiple versions of lvm installed.
10:02<meandtheshell>but you are running testing or sid as well ... no?
10:03<Flimzy>meandtheshell: etch
10:03<meandtheshell>ok, well that might be it then ....
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10:06<EmleyMoor>What are the requirements for similarity of disks for RAID mirrors?
10:08<EmleyMoor>(i.e. do they need to be utterly identical, just similar or can they be fairly dissimilar (with limitations)?)
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10:11<[ID]-1130>hi,all
10:12<Maulkin>hi
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10:17<the-dude>EmleyMoor: I would suggest to use 2 different disks
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10:23<EmleyMoor>the-dude: Yes, that's obvious. Just wondering how it would work if I picked, say, two disks to get it started and then needed to replace one, and couldn't get one exactly the same
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10:28<klimy>hi
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10:29<klimy>i am looking for a good newsfeed aggregator. it has to be cross-platform. there are so many out there and i do not know what to look for.
10:29<klimy>anyone has good suggestions?
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10:31<klimy>i work on different computers with different os. and it really get a pain to read newsfeeds.
10:31<superjet_busy>googlereader
10:32<klimy>anything i can install on my server?
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10:32<klimy>i do not like the idea google knowing so much about me.
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10:33<superjet_busy>kingsley: extensions for mozilla/FF?
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10:35<fxiny>klimy: a python reader ?
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10:38<klimy>fxiny: well i do not really care about the language underneath.
10:38<fxiny>klimy: i use rawdog
10:38<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I see - I think, if any one drive is any smaller, it will limit the others to the same size... likewise if one is lower
10:38<EmleyMoor>slower
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10:38<klimy>fxiny: whats the pros and cons?
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10:39<fxiny>and snownews but snow is not portable
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10:39<fxiny>pros is one page with timestamp
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10:39<noobman>hello
10:39<fxiny>klimy: i let cron run it and feeding it to firebus
10:39<noobman>anybody can help me pls with tweaking my nfs-server
10:40<noobman>he is so slow
10:40<EmleyMoor>Can I mirror my important partitions and stripe my junk, using the same disks>?
10:40<noobman>i tried all i know (it's not much)
10:40<the-dude>EmleyMoor: as long as space is more or the same then the other disks you will be fine
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10:42<EmleyMoor>(for example, to mirror all the stuff that is actually used and important enough to back up, and to stripe my "working areas" to make them bigger and/or faster, if no needed data is ever left there)
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10:43<magyar_>hi, looking for a python package equivalent to tlslite for etch
10:44<noobman>pls anyone?
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10:48<jMCg>noobman: ask your favourite search engine.
10:48<noobman>i did :P
10:49<jMCg>For general Linux Performance tuning, see http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/redp4285.html
10:49<noobman>i used http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO.html#SERVER
10:49<noobman>but no changes
10:49<noobman>very long idle periods between every file transfer
10:50*jMCg goes to make some tea, while noobman will prepare some rough performance statistics (sar, mpstat, vmstat, iostat, netstat, and whatnot) so we know what we're dealing with.
10:51<noobman>i will do that right now
10:51<jMCg>Also time cp /very/big/file /nfs/server -- and time cp /nfs/server/very/big/file /tmp/foo
10:52<jMCg>Oh! And show me how NFS is configured -- i.e.: what the mount options are -- and what version we're talking in the first place
10:53<noobman>mount options on client are
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10:54<noobman>rsize=4096,wsize=4096,timeo=14,intr
10:54<fabio>hi
10:54<jMCg>And.... the supposed network speed in general, i.e.: ... ugmmpf.. forgot.
10:54<jMCg>Hah...
10:54<fabio>hi i have a intel wirless 3945 and i cant make works
10:55<fabio>@ kernel 2.6.26
10:55<jMCg>Do the tests while gradually doubling those.
10:55<jMCg>See if results improve.
10:55<noobman>how can i find my nfs version?
10:55<noobman>sry i m a newbie
10:55<skytramp>fabio, http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi?highlight=%28wifi%29
10:57<fabio>skytramp when i install iwlWifi my network
10:57<fabio>my network manager dont have wireless option active
10:57<fabio>when i dont have iwlWifi i have this option but i cant find networks
10:57<skytramp>modprobe
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10:58<fabio>skytramp continue to wireless disabled
10:59<skytramp>modprobe iwl3945?
10:59<klimy>fxiny: i looked into rawdog. it looks promissing, but is it scalable? i was suprised that all the entries were listed one after another.
10:59<krishna>noobman: 'dpkg -l | grep nfs'
10:59<fabio>yes
10:59<noobman>thx
11:00<skytramp>fabio, install wireless-tools
11:00<klimy>fxiny: don't you get confused when you have a dozen feeds and all items are pasted chronologically.
11:00<noobman>ii libnfsidmap2 0.18-0 An nfs idmapping library
11:00<noobman>ii nfs-common 1.0.10-6+etch.1 NFS support files common to client and serve
11:00<noobman>ii nfs-kernel-server 1.0.10-6+etch.1 Kernel NFS server support
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11:01<krishna>noobman: those are the package you have installed which name match 'nfs' and the numbers in the midle are the version of the packages
11:01<fabio>skytramp i alredy have wireless tools
11:01<Goldjian>how do we get the conf video ?
11:02<noobman>so it s 1.0.10-6
11:02<noobman>what does the etch.1 mean?
11:02<Goldjian>no the streaming, but the recording ?
11:02<skytramp>fabio, try #iwlist scan (in a terminal)
11:02<krishna>noobman: sort of.... do a 'aptitude show nfs-kernel-server' and 'aptitude show nfs-common' to have more details
11:03<fabio>bash: iwlist: command not found
11:03<skytramp>as root
11:03<skytramp>fabio, log in a root
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11:04<krishna>noobman: etch.1 may mean that the package is specific to debian/etch, and may have been modified to fit that release
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11:04<fxiny>klimy: is not that bad . edit ~/.rawdog/config . i actually use a perl script to avoid confusion : use XML::RSS; and use LWP::Simple;
11:04<krishna>noobman: I mean, some debian-specific change in the original source
11:05<noobman>Version: 1:1.1.2-2ubuntu2.1
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11:05<noobman>thank you for clear explenation
11:05<fabio>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
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11:05<skytramp>fabio, weird
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11:06<fabio>i removed firmware ilw....
11:06<noobman>and common is 1:1.1.2-2ubuntu2.1
11:06<fabio>someone said with kernel 2.6.26 is dont needed
11:06<fabio>skytramp
11:06<noobman>and what do you wanna know from netstat?
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11:06<jMCg>ARGH ><
11:07<skytramp>fabio, i have 2.6.25 tbh
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11:07<jMCg>I would very much like to get to know the folks who came up with the name 'mii-tool'... Once I manage to forget it, it takes me ages to come up with it...
11:07<fabio>skytramp and you have firmware installed
11:07<fabio>?
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11:08<skytramp>fabio, yes i have it installed
11:09<skytramp>fabio, aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
11:10<fabio>done
11:10<fabio>now reboot
11:10<fabio>?
11:10<skytramp>yes
11:10<skytramp>or modprobe
11:10<noobman>so jMCg you wanna see result of mii-tool?
11:10<jMCg>Yes, so, mii-tool, on both sides would probably be a good idea as well.
11:11<noobman>when i do the aptitude on server side i get this
11:11<noobman>Depends: nfs-common (>= 1:1.0.8-1), ucf, lsb-base (>= 1.3-9ubuntu3), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libgssapi2, libkrb53 (>=
11:11<noobman> 1.4.2), libnfsidmap2, librpcsecgss3, libwrap0
11:11<noobman>Conflicts: knfs, nfs-server
11:11<noobman>Replaces: knfs, nfs-server
11:11<noobman>Provides: knfs, nfs-server
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11:11<skytramp>fabio, reboot or do #modprobe iwl3945
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11:12<jMCg>Alternatively, you can use ethtool... which is less bad of a name.
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11:12<noobman_>sry
11:12<noobman_>was kicked
11:12<fabio>skytramp how i can take a screenshot @ debian
11:13<fabio>?
11:13<jMCg>noobman_: and quite right so.
11:13<skytramp>fabio, applications>accesories>take screenshot
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11:15<fabio>http://www.hdd.pt/imagens/1238633613.png
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11:20<finek>hi, where can i check proceces, without using terminal
11:20<finek>in gnome
11:20<Nemoder>gps?
11:21<finek>?
11:21<finek>i know that in terminal i must type "top" but is there any graphical program?
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11:22<Nemoder>finek: gps does that
11:22<massmc>finek, system monitor?
11:22<finek>is gps in testing?
11:22<Nemoder>yes
11:22<finek>yes massmc
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11:23<massmc>add system monitor to one of your panels.. thats how i do it, maybe there is a better way
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11:24<fabio>dont work
11:24<finek>ok thx
11:24<skytramp>fabio, try #modprobe iwl3945 in a terminal
11:25<fabio>skytramp dont work
11:25<fabio>@ ubuntu worked :(
11:26<skytramp>fabio, is there a wifi switch on your laptop, are you sure it in on?
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11:26<fabio>skytramp yes
11:26<fabio>i think it is only a combination of keys
11:26<fabio>FN + F2
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11:27<cahoot>check dmesg
11:27<fabio>[16:24] <fabio> wlan 0 is not ready
11:27<fabio>[16:24] <fabio> apper before booting
11:27<fabio>[16:24] <fabio> to gdm
11:27<skytramp>there should be a hardware switch as well
11:27<fabio>where i have a asus a6jc
11:28<skytramp>fabio, i have lenny 2.6.25 and intel 4965 on a dell xps laptop and it works flawlessly
11:28<cahoot>check dmesg after modprobe iwl3945 fabio
11:28<fabio>skytramp @ windows xp and ubuntu 8.04 worls
11:28<fabio>cahoot how?
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11:28<skytramp>fabio, i bet they do
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11:29<noobman_>thx for help
11:29<noobman_>a friend is comming to help me
11:29<cahoot>fabio: type dmesg in a terminal
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11:29<noobman_>cause i don t know what kind of info i need to give you for help
11:29<noobman_>cu
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11:31<cahoot>fabio: don't paste the output as a /msg to me - use a pastebin
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11:41<fabio>http://fabioareia.com.sapo.pt/sasa
11:41<fabio>http://fabioareia.com.sapo.pt/sasa its my output
11:41<fabio>cahoot
11:41<fabio>http://fabioareia.com.sapo.pt/sasa my dmesg output
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11:41<fabio>[ 30.491927] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
11:41<fabio>[ 34.742195] iwl3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:
11:41<fabio>[ 34.742199] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work.
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11:41<fabio>[ 36.762451] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:41<fabio>[ 36.806322] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
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11:41<fabio>[ 36.820331] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:41<fabio>[ 36.874190] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
11:41<fabio>[ 36.913832] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:41<fabio>[ 36.967163] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
11:41<fabio>[ 37.154006] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
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11:42<fabio>[ 30.491927] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
11:42<fabio>[ 34.742195] iwl3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:
11:42<fabio>[ 34.742199] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work.
11:42<fabio>[ 36.762451] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:42<fabio>[ 36.806322] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
11:42<fabio>[ 36.820331] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:42<fabio>[ 36.874190] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
11:43<fabio>[ 36.913832] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:43<fabio>[ 36.967163] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
11:43<fabio>[ 37.154006] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
11:43<fabio>anyone
11:43<fabio>?
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11:43<weasel>fabio: DO
11:43<weasel>fabio: NOT
11:43<weasel>fabio: DO
11:43<weasel>fabio: THIS
11:43<weasel>fabio: AGAIN
11:43<weasel>EVER
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11:45<allos>http://pastebin.com/d4b16d01d help-me!
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11:50<phillipsjk>fabio
11:50<phillipsjk>got
11:50<phillipsjk>past
11:50<phillipsjk>the
11:50<phillipsjk>auto-kick
11:50<phillipsjk>bot?
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11:52<Nemoder>allos: perhaps you can create placeholders for the missing files: touch /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf
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11:55<allos>hum
11:56<LEO_>how do I check who is connected to my server?
11:57<massmc>night everyone. sleep well when you get there..
11:57<LEO_>I need to see if anyone is running a vulnerability check on me
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11:57<Nemoder>LEO_: w
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11:58<LEO_>Nemoder, w?
11:58<Nemoder>LEO_: man w
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11:59<fabio>unstable are not recomended?
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12:02<skytramp>fabio, not reccomended unless you are a developer or you know what youre doing
12:03<skytramp>fabio, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-unstable
12:03<fabio>i like updated packages
12:03<LEO_>Guys, I have apache 2.2.3, does anyone know how can I stop DDOS attacks on it?
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12:07<skytramp>fabio, packages pass from unstable to testing after 2 weeks or so, they are not that old
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12:07<fabio>yes but you said
12:07<fabio>that
12:07<fabio>lenny was frozen
12:07<fabio>until september
12:07<fabio>right
12:07<skytramp>yes its been frozen now
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12:08<jMCg>LEO_: mod_evasive is a way....
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12:08<fabio>why i cant rename to testing instead of lenny
12:08<skytramp>when it is released you can upgrade to the new testing branch
12:08<LEO_>jMCg, is there a mod_evasive for 2.2.3 ?
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12:09<skytramp>fabio, you can
12:09<jMCg>LEO_: it builds for 2.2.x I don't know if there's a Debian package.
12:09<fabio>skytramp i want use always testing
12:10<LEO_>jMCg, I dont know how to do it, and I need it Urgently
12:10<fabio>can i use testing instead of lenny
12:10<skytramp>ok rename to testing
12:10<fabio>or i need to rename
12:10<fabio>wnhen new branch come
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12:11<skytramp>no need if your apt points to testing
12:11<fabio>ok
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12:12<jMCg>apt-cache search evasive | grep -i apache --- or install the apache dev package, download the source and build it with apxs (I'm pretty sure there's a README)
12:12<jMCg>LEO_: ^
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12:12<fabio>skytramp i will install testing
12:13<allos>http://pastebin.com/d79ad157f help-me
12:13<LEO_>can I use libapache_mod_dosevasive package?
12:13<skytramp>fabio, ok)
12:13<LEO_>there is no libapache2_mod_dosevasive package?
12:13<fabio>skytramp thanks
12:14<LEO_>jMCg,
12:14<jMCg>allos: file /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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12:14<skytramp>fabio, you're welcome m8
12:15<jMCg>LEO_: I don't know how to do it, and I need it Urgently --- is that a way of saying please hold my hand or spoon feed me?
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12:15<jMCg>Stop panicking, do what I told you.
12:16<LEO_>jMCg, there is no libapache2_mod_dosevasive, can i use libapache_mod_dosevasive?
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12:16<jMCg>No you cannot. Apache 1, 2 and 2.2 have different APIs and different ABIs
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12:17<jMCg>mcg@metis:~$ apt-cache search libapache2-mod-evasive
12:17<jMCg>libapache2-mod-evasive - evasive module to minimize HTTP DoS or brute force attacks
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12:18<jMCg>I wonder what I'm doing differently.... Why can I find it...
12:18<jMCg>Ah.. lenny vs etch
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12:18<LEO_>jMCg, what is the other security module out there for apache2?
12:19<LEO_>maybe that other one contains it?
12:19<jMCg>There's mod_security
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12:20<LEO_>http://packages.debian.org/sid/web/libapache2-mod-evasive
12:20<LEO_>jMCg, how can I install http://packages.debian.org/sid/web/libapache2-mod-evasive
12:20<jMCg>But IIRC, there is no mod_security build for Debian, for whatever reason.
12:20<jMCg>LEO_: I don't think so. Try looking for a backport -- or build it yourself.
12:20<LEO_>what is a backport
12:21<jMCg>!backport
12:21<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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12:23<LEO_>jMCg, is there an instruction somwhere on how to do it? (build it myself)
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12:24<jMCg>LEO_: plenty, I would dare claim. Some of that you can get from dpkg (the bot here). Some of it you can get when downoading the source and reading the docs... etc...
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12:27<peterius>hi, its not really a problem, I like it, but I'm wondering why... I have a document that I use *** headers in for different parts, and NotePad just highlighted them in green... and I'm not sure why
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12:27<peterius>does it parse for lines that are used repeatedly and then highlight them as part of syntax coloring of document? or did I coincidentally choose a real header listing in my impromptu style
12:27<peterius>(or maybe gnome people would know better)
12:28<fxiny>notepad ?
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12:28<fxiny>ah gnome
12:28<LEO_>jMCg, I dont know what to download... and where from, or how. I'm doomed
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12:29<fxiny>LEO_: try /msg dpkg !simple sid backports
12:29<fxiny>good luck
12:29<peterius>actually its called (TextEditor)
12:30<fxiny>must be some syntax hilighning
12:30<fxiny>dunno , not using gnome
12:30<peterius>yeah I guess its not really a question worth asking, I just thought it was neat and wondered if anyone knew
12:30<jMCg>google mod_evasive: http://www.zdziarski.com/projects/mod_evasive/ -> wget -c http://www.zdziarski.com/projects/mod_evasive/mod_evasive_1.10.1.tar.gz --- or, alternatively, $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list add lenny sources apt-get update ; apt-get source libapache2-mod-evasive etc....
12:31*peterius connects to gnome servers
12:31<LEO_>jMCg, what are the lenny sources? can you give me a few?
12:32<jMCg>Copy the lines that say etch or stable and replace them with either lenny or testing.
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12:33<peterius>dhclient or some dhcp client on my machine doesn't seem to recognize if "eth0: link not ready", how can I fix that?
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12:34<Marcin_M>hi how to compres .adf with Gzip (adf i amiga disk format)
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12:35<jMCg>Marcin_M: I can only seem to find unadf - for uncompressing them.
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12:36<jMCg>And no, you can't do that with gzip. gzip gzips.
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12:36<Marcin_M>on wikipedia is wrote that i can compres adf with gzip
12:36<klimy>fxiny: sorry i forgot to thank you for your help
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12:37<LEO_>jMCg, there is nothing to change there really, at least in URLS (in source list) or do i change stable that follows the url?
12:37<fxiny>klimy: np
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12:37<jMCg>Marcin_M: well, then man gzip shall be your friend
12:37<Marcin_M>i wrote man but there is no info :(
12:38<jMCg>Then try info gzip :P
12:39<jMCg>I mean, if wikipedia claims it, it must be true.
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12:39<allos>http://pastebin.com/d41121dc2 =z
12:40<Marcin_M>there is no info at google about it
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12:58<Leo2>Will someone please help me install mod-dosevasive?
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12:59<jMCg>Leo2: you CANNOT install mod_dosevasiv, it's for 1.x -- which is API and ABI incomatible with 2.x
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13:00<Leo2>jMCg, Can you check if there isa backport out there? Please
13:00<Leo2>Help me comile it once, and I will never bug you guys again, I need it urgently
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13:00<stevecotton>!api
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13:01<stevecotton>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Api
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13:01<jMCg>Leo2: download the source. Install apache2-dev or whatever the package. Unpack the source, READ THE README, use apxs to compile it.
13:01<jMCg>See. Done now.
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13:02<jMCg>!handholding?
13:02<dpkg>[handholding] something that the people here are *not* going to do for you.
13:02<stevecotton>Which is a bit techy but : a) it won't compile without work b) it's not going to be easy
13:02<jMCg>stevecotton: then again, what's easy :)
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13:03<Leo2>ok, how do I download source? what package do i install and how? I willr ead readme but what do i type to read it, what is apxs and how do i use to compile with it?
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13:04<stevecotton>If you have to ask about the first bit. you won't manage the API change bit.
13:04<jMCg>how about: apt-cache search apxs
13:05<jMCg>From my favourite bot: 17:02 <fajita> unix faq is http://get.a.clue.de/faq.html
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13:06<jMCg>I like to read that FAQ at least once a month ;]
13:06<shell4u>is there any way to boost sound coming from my system? i have all sound levels cranked up to maximum right now but my ears aren't ringing yet. :(
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13:07<jMCg>apt-get install sound-booster ; or dpkg-reconfigure it to EAR-RINGING -- alternatively, get a real sound system.
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13:08<shell4u>yeah. all kidding aside. i was thinking about a application to help boost the gain in certain audio formats.
13:08<shell4u>on windows there was something called DFX audio enhancer. it worked really well.
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13:09<shell4u>i was thinking there must be something similar for *nix
13:09<jMCg>Then I have misunderstood you. I though you where thinking about something that does it on the hardware level
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13:09<stevecotton>shell4u: audacity?
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13:10<shell4u>yeah. but then i have to re-encode every audio file individually. i think vlc is my best option
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13:10<overflow>mencoder, ffmpeg maybe?
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13:11<jMCg>for i in $(locate mp3) ; doe mencoder or ffmpeg --some-fancy options here $i ; done # going for coffee now or something like that...
13:11<stevecotton>vorbisgain (in package of the same name) should be what you're looking for, but I haven't had success getting Audacious to obey the reply-gain tags
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13:17<shell4u>vorbis gain only works for ogg though
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13:21<stevecotton>http://www.replaygain.org/
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13:49<EmleyMoor>Is there a document I should read before migrating a stable box to lenny?
13:50<EmleyMoor>(the release notes, perhaps?)
13:51<noflash>!tell EmilyMoor -about stable->testing
13:51<EmleyMoor>noflash: I'll look at that - it would have worked with the right spellling
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13:51<EmleyMoor>How do I get at the release notes to which that alludes?
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13:53<ja>Does anyone know why compiz disrupts the middle click in firefox?
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13:55<EmleyMoor>Where are the lenny release notes?
13:56<cahoot>not released yet?
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13:56<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Alluded to by etch->lenny
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13:58<EmleyMoor>If the notes are not release yet, they shouldn't be alluded to, surely
13:58<EmleyMoor>released even
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14:00<EmleyMoor>OK, if what I'm being told is they don't exist, so be it
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Trying to go to lenny results in lots of unresolved dependencies and lots of prompting "Try harder"
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Why would that be happening?
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14:17<EmleyMoor>Going to try one of my other systems
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14:22<g0to>hello there!
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14:23<g0to>I have an issue mounting some partitions
14:23<EmleyMoor>The dependency resolver - will it come up with some kind of solution eventually? If so, can you ask it to keep trying "permanently"?
14:24<shell4u>g0to: what's the problem?
14:24<shell4u>EmelyMoor: you might be at that for a while
14:24<g0to>when you set a mounting point, what kind of privileges has to have the directory?
14:24<shell4u>EmelyMoor: it will offer solutions and you can pick the one you like the best
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14:24<EmleyMoor>shell4u: But what if it thinks it is taking too long to even get one?
14:25<shell4u>g0t0: is this for your home pc?
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14:25<g0to>shell4u, I mean. I want to mount an ntfs partition in /mnt/win, and access it like a noroot user
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14:25<g0to>shell4u, yeah, home PC
14:26<shell4u>g0to: dont think you have to do anything special
14:26<EmleyMoor>shell4u: Can you tell it "Stop pestering me until you have come up with at least one solution"?
14:26<shell4u>create the directory using sudo. the normal user can still access it
14:26<g0to>I only can create directories under /mnt being root, so, what permissions it has to have?
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14:27<shell4u>EmelyMoor: those are all solutions. you have to pick one of them
14:27<EmleyMoor>No they are NOT!
14:27<shell4u>g0to: you don't need to set permissions on it
14:27<shell4u>EmleyMoor: ok then
14:27<EmleyMoor>I know what it *should* do - I have a machien on which it HAS
14:28<EmleyMoor>It DOESN'T on this one
14:28<g0to>shell4u, I tried to create it, but normal user cannot access the partition, even setting rw,user in fstab
14:28<shell4u>why don't you use synaptic?
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14:28<EmleyMoor>It keeps pestering me that it appears to be taking too long and asking if I want to try harder
14:28<shell4u>g0to: what commands did you use?
14:28<EmleyMoor>synaptic to go from etch to lenny? Is that supported as a method?
14:28<g0to>shell4u, I'm not using any command to mount it, it is set auto on fstab
14:29<glasya>I'm looking for a program to help me connect to my wireless network from the command line. The only way I've been able to connect is through nm-applet. Does anyone know a good command line program to connect to wireless networks?
14:29<shell4u>g0to: dunno about that. can root access the drive?
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14:29<shell4u>are you sure it's mounted
14:30<shell4u>glasysa: should be automatic
14:30<shell4u>is your wireless card "up"
14:30<g0to>shell4u, normal user can't see it. root can but can't read or write anything
14:31<g0to>shell4u, I installed ntfs-3g but...no way
14:31<glasya>yea, I have it set in /etc/network/interfaces
14:31<glasya>and I also tried ifconfig ath0 up after login
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14:31<plugwash>Is the current draft of the lenny release notes availible online in html anywhere?
14:31<shell4u>g0to:what do you mean root cant read/write anything? and why aren't you using ntfs-3g?
14:32<EmleyMoor>shell4u: I will tell you precisely what this thing keeps asking me in a minute
14:32<glasya>g0to, the problem isn't connecting to the wireless network, I can do that just fine by starting gnome. I just want to be able to get on the wireless network without starting X
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14:32<shell4u>what's the output of ifconfig -a
14:33<glasya>lol
14:33<shell4u>could you paste it?
14:33<glasya>shell4u, sorry
14:33<glasya>yes I'll paste it
14:33<g0to>shell4u, I am using ntfs-3g but still not having access to ntfs partition
14:33<g0to>shell4u, I will show you my fstab. One moment
14:33<shell4u>are you sure the partition is mounted?
14:33<shell4u>can you paste the output of "mount"
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14:33<shell4u>!tell glasya paster
14:34<shell4u>!tell g0to paster
14:34<glasya>http://paste.debian.net/14865/
14:34<glasya>shell4u, ^
14:35<EmleyMoor>shell4u: No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]
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14:35<shell4u>glasya: which one of those is your wireless interface?
14:35<glasya>ath0
14:35<EmleyMoor>I would like to tell it to try and keep trying until it DOES find at least one solution
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14:35<g0to>shell4u, here is mount output -> http://paste.debian.net/14867/
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14:36<shell4u>g0to: and what commands are you using to access the drive? what directory are you changing to?
14:36<EmleyMoor>I'm not going to do this machine just now but I will need a way to get past this stage without constant intervention when I do
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14:37<shell4u>EmleyMoor: what are you trying to install?
14:37<g0to>shell4u, I'm just using nautilus file browser
14:37<shell4u>and what directory are you navigating to?
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14:38<EmleyMoor>shell4u: Trying to dist-upgrade, from etch to lenny#
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14:39<shell4u>EmleyMoor: can you paste your sources.list
14:39<g0to>shell4u, whatever, I can't access any directory
14:39<g0to>shell4u, here is my fstab -> http://paste.debian.net/14869/
14:39<shell4u>what is shown in the location bar of nautilus?
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14:40<EmleyMoor>shell4u: If you suspect it might be something in my sources.list, I will trim it back to a standard one before trying again
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14:40<shell4u>well i don't know what is in your sources.list
14:40<g0to>shell4u, I can't see /mnt/win_disk on nautilus
14:40<EmleyMoor>It's virtually standard
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14:41<EmleyMoor>I will paste the lennified version for you
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14:41<knusper>hello
14:42<EmleyMoor>What pastebin do we recommend these days?
14:42<knusper>i have a small problem...
14:42<knusper>my sound stopped working after an update
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14:42<knusper>i already ran alsaconf ... detects and configures the card ... but still no sound
14:42<knusper>all channels in alsamixer up to the max
14:42<knusper>still no sound??
14:43<knusper><<-- clueless
14:43<shell4u>!tell EmleyMoor paster
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14:44<knusper>uh...
14:44<knusper>i found out
14:44<knusper>it seems that line got muted
14:44<shell4u>g0to: what do you mean you cant see it?
14:44<shell4u>is the folder empty?
14:45<g0to>shell4u, I can't see in nautilus any win_disk drive
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14:45<g0to>shell4u, I'm gonna make the ant way. Slow but strong.
14:45<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/14870/
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14:46<g0to>shell4u, You say that doesn't matter mount point permissions?
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14:46<shell4u>g0to: try unmounting the drive and mounting it again manually
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14:48<g0to>shell4u, but only root can mount it
14:49<g0to>shell4u, I want to access it as a nonroot user
14:49<shell4u>g0to: is this your pc? do you know how to use sudo?
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14:49<shell4u>if you don't have root access then how are you editing fstab?
14:50<g0to>I'm not using sudo. I work like root (su) when I have to do root things
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14:51<shell4u>i've already told you. try unmounting then mounting it manually. use su if that's what you are comfertable with
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14:51<g0to>shell4u, but I don't want to mount the disk every time I boot up the PC
14:51<shell4u>have you managed to mount it at all? ever?
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14:52<g0to>I did, it works. But non root still can't see the disk
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14:52<shell4u>but root can?
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14:53<g0to>yes
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14:55<shell4u>that doesn't make any sense
14:55<g0to>neither for me
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14:56<g0to>wait, It has sense for me. If you mount it like a root, only the root can access it. I see on that way.
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14:57<jafo>Hello all. Can anyone help me with a knetworkmanager problem under lenny?
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14:58<jafo>I have manually added 2 WEP wireless networks (home and work) that both show up under "trusted networks" now.
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14:58<jafo>When I don't have cable plugged in at home knetworkmanager automatically connects to my home wifi, but at work I have to manually enter the SID and encryption key each tim.
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14:59<jafo>Both networks are in ~/.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc and my KDE wallet but the work one refuses to connect.
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15:00<EmleyMoor>jafo: How does it refuse? What happens?
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15:00<jafo>It just goes to the "no network found" symbol.
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15:01<jafo>When I right click on it the work wifi doesn't show up under "Wireless networks", but if I manually configure it again it connects.
15:01<EmleyMoor>jafo: Are you sure you have entered the keys correctly?
15:01<EmleyMoor>Is it hidden SSID?
15:01<jafo>Definitely.
15:01<EmleyMoor>If it's hidden SSID you may need to make an extra setting.
15:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 363] by debhelper
15:02<jafo>Even if it's a hidden SSID once i manually configure it and it's listed as a trusted wifi network shouldn't it connect?
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15:02<EmleyMoor>jafo: Pass. You may need to make a special setting to instruct it to try,
15:02<jafo>I've tried everything for laptop wifi (guessnet, whereami, networkmanager) but none of them have worked well.
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15:03<jafo>Anyone have a good suggestion for roaming wireless on a laptop?
15:03<EmleyMoor>I haven't done anything with hidden SSID. I just use wpa_supplicant
15:03<jafo>(using Lenny)
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15:04<EmleyMoor>I have not yet done wireless with lenny
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15:04<jafo>EmleyMoor: yeah we haven't gone to WPA yet
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15:05<EmleyMoor>jafo: wpa_supplicant works with WEP too
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15:05<jafo>EmleyMoor: oh? I"ll have to check it out yet.
15:05<jafo>er, then.
15:05<jafo>EmleyMoor: that's one I haven't tried.
15:06<jafo>EmleyMoor: I've got the iwl3945 chipset too and it's been ugly ever since they changed to a kernel module insted of the daemon.
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15:21<zaikxtox>hello. i'm installing debian etch'nhalf on a server that has a 82801IR/IO (ICH9R/DO) SATA RAID Controller
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15:21<zaikxtox>there are two disks managed by the raid controller. debian should see them as only one, but i see both!!!
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15:22<zaikxtox>on theDevice Database of debian.org it says that i must use the ahci module
15:22<zaikxtox>that's what it does
15:22<zaikxtox>but i see the disks of the raid, and not the raid as one big disk
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15:25<acu>I want to have a apache webserver with multiple websites on one IP - is it better to keep the websites on /var/www or I should have a separate folder (hard disk for it ?)
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15:26<jafo>acu: usually you setup a different "DocumentRoot" for each virtualhost in the Apache conf.
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15:27<jafo>acu: then you can have a different index.html for sitea.yourdomain.com and siteb.yourdomain.com
15:27<acu>jafo: OK - and physically is it better to have every website out of /var
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15:27<jafo>acu: that's personal prefrence
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15:28<jafo>acu: you can put them in /var/www/sitea and /var/www/siteb if you like or move them somewhere else.
15:28<jafo>Just change "DocumentRoot" for each site to point to the proper location.
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15:29<Kjetil>if you have your websites on /var they might fill the /var partition and then no services on the machine would be able to log to /var/log
15:29<jafo>Kjetil: good point.
15:29<acu>I am going to employ a content management system - for each website - means I will have a postgresql database to each of website - plus a tons of videos etc - I was thinking that since /var contains some other important files - I should make a different folder for each of the websiteds
15:29<acu>Kjetil
15:29<acu>thanks
15:30<acu>jafo: your feedback is excellent
15:31<jafo>acu: my 1st time here, I came for help myself :)
15:31<jafo>acu: and i just happen to use apache a lot
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15:32<acu>jafo I am using debian from sometime but I am not expert -however what was your question
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15:33<spider>hi
15:34<acu>spider: welcome - just ask your question
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15:35<spider>I need mail-server SMTP just to send mail out
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15:35<spider>exim4 is already installed right?
15:35<spider>How can i config it to make it work?
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15:45<Rick>do I add the Icon nm-applet to my desk top. I had it there but trashed it by mistake
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15:47<makaraky>spider: I suggest you to read the documentation regarding exim4, because it will be very usefull for you.
15:47<spider>ok
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15:48<makaraky>spider: Belive me, you should know at least the basics and be carefull to do not allow Open-RElay otherwise you will be included in a RBL
15:49<spider>what is RBL?
15:49<qq>Relay Black List
15:49<qq>?
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15:50<spider>ohh i see
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15:57<barnes>Will these two generate the same number both files always? wc -l /proc/net/ip_conntrack and cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_count
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16:00<lifeman>hi
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16:01<zaikxtox>hi lifeman
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16:01<lifeman>what way do you use for change the brightness of monitor? i used smartdimmer in ubuntu but it seem to be a native package
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16:33<mheinzes>i cannot set a priority to a local repository inside pbuilder
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16:33<mheinzes>Package: *
16:33<mheinzes>Pin: origin
16:33<mheinzes>Pin-Priority: 1001
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16:33<sander_m>Hello. Can someone help me with mdadm and LVM? I am trying to move a two-disk raid1 array containing an lvm volume group from my old Etch server to my new Lenny server. I copied over /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf from the old machine to the new machine. I also updated the filter in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf so that the lvm volume group isn't started (I'm not sure which device names they will get when I add the disks to the machine). Anything else I need to do
16:33<sander_m>? Need to be careful about?
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16:33<mheinzes>and APTCONFDIR=/etc/pbuilder/apt/ in etc/pbuilderrc
16:34<mheinzes>but i still get priority 500 file: ./ Packages
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16:34<mheinzes>any ideas why it does not work?
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16:41<grgdorn>xmms is not there anymore?
16:41<grgdorn>in sid and up?
16:41<grgdorn>in the repos i mean...
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16:42<qq>grgdorn: right
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16:43<grgdorn>well had to happen i guess...
16:43<qq>try audacious or xmms2
16:43<grgdorn>xmms2 is a standalone player? i thought it was only network streams
16:43<EmleyMoor>Updated my PBX to lenny and now the dial on my phone doesn't work
16:44<EmleyMoor>Know why, but it's still an "active" bug
16:44<grgdorn>i use amarok right now but im not happy with it
16:44<qq>i use vlc
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16:46<makaraky>mplayer!
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16:46<grgdorn>mplayer for music?
16:46<qq>sure
16:46<grgdorn>i guess....
16:46<makaraky>grgdorn: Well it works but do not have the nice features
16:47<grgdorn>yes... exactly my thought...
16:47<grgdorn>i kinda like equalizers :)
16:47<makaraky>but I love it, really mplayer plays whatever
16:47<grgdorn>well *thats* right
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16:48<grgdorn>in fact can I make it play a stream...? something like "unp video.arch.tar.gz | mplayer"?
16:49<qq>never .tar.gz
16:49<grgdorn>more like RAR :/
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16:49<grgdorn>but nevermind
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16:54*EmleyMoor recompiles zaptel
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17:22*spider alright i use my root admin to see that dir /var/www/
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17:27<EmleyMoor>Just upgraded to etch and festival won't run - how do I find out why?
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17:27<EmleyMoor>Er, to lenny
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17:32<EmleyMoor>How do I trace why festival isn't running?
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17:33<Gathond>EmleyMoor: try running it from a terminal and see if it writes anything worthwhile
17:33<Gathond>if that fails strace or gdb are probably your best bets
17:34<EmleyMoor>A few seconds too late but if it still fails I will do that
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17:38<EmleyMoor>Doesn't festival come with an init,d script any more?
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17:43<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it doesn't
17:43<tremor>EmleyMoor: dpkg -L festival
17:43<EmleyMoor>tremor: It doesn't
17:44<tremor>EmleyMoor: a google search shows, that one has an selfmade init-script
17:45<tremor>maybe you can create one by yourself
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17:45<EmleyMoor>I didn't have to with etch
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17:46<sander_m>Eh... help! I added a few disks to my system and now Lenny won't boot. I can get past grub by entering the boot commands manually, but during the boot I get dropped to a busybox shell in initramfs. Now what?
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17:47<sander_m>It says "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
17:47<sander_m>No init found. Try passing the init= bootarg."
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17:54<sander_m>Please? Anyone?
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17:55<a>me
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17:56<EmleyMoor>Have NoOps stopped displaying when verbosity is 3?
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17:57<plugwash>sander_m: most likely that means you specified the wrong drive or partition for the root filesystem
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17:57<sander_m>plugwash: I'm pretty sure I got the correct one (I got everything on LVM) but I'll reboot and try again just to be sure.
17:58<sander_m>plugwash: Can I issue a "reboot" command from the initramfs shell?
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17:58<sander_m>I can :-)
17:58<grgdorn>reboot that sucker :)
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18:00<EmleyMoor>I have intermittent CID on my FXO (!)
18:01<sander_m>Ha! It works! I probably accidentally specified /dev/mapper/linuxvg-boot instead of linuxvg-root as root filesystem :-)
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18:04<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... there's a patch for this
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18:05<EmleyMoor>If I get the source of a package and modify a file in it, how do I build and install my patched version?
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18:07<EmleyMoor>How do I rebuild a package having manually patched it, in other words
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18:12<kipman>!ask truecrypt
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18:13<witte>!truecrypt
18:13<dpkg>methinks truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org
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18:19<EmleyMoor>I have just patched a package - how do I build it?
18:19<plugwash>EmleyMoor, first you should modify debian/changelog and add an entry (or if you want to be sloppy just change the version number in the most recent entry) with a slightly higher version (e.g. add emlymoor1 to the end of the existing version number or something)
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18:19<plugwash>then do dpkg-buildpackage
18:19<plugwash>then use dpkg to install the resulting packages
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18:20<tremor>bye
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18:23<EmleyMoor>dpkg-buildpackage: error: unable to determine source changed by
18:23<EmleyMoor>Did exactly what was suggested
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18:24<EmleyMoor>Ah, hold on
18:25<EmleyMoor>How do I install the build-deps?
18:25<witte>EmleyMoor: apt-get build-dep <package>
18:26<EmleyMoor>47 of them (!)
18:26<EmleyMoor>Still, this bug wrecks my phone system so I must fix it
18:27<EmleyMoor>It looks like the Debian package has an "ineffective in UK" attempt to fix the same problem
18:29<EmleyMoor>Can I make my own version of a package that is itself module sources in the same way?
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18:29<plugwash>dpkg-buildpackage: error: unable to determine source changed by <-- this usually means you got your changelog format wrong, dpkg-parsechangelog is unfortunately rather fussy
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18:29<EmleyMoor>Yes, sorted it
18:30<EmleyMoor>asterisk is now building
18:31<EmleyMoor>The quality control on a package used worldwide like this should be better
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18:31<jordan>hi guys
18:31<EmleyMoor>Still, upstream is to blame for a lot of it
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18:33<jordan>got a question for ya: I have install a debian lenny, from minimal install, with xfce4. I would like to print but I can't do it, an I can't find info anywhere. I have a brother hl-2040
18:34<witte>!cups
18:34<dpkg>cups is probably a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup>
18:34<witte>!cups setup
18:34<dpkg>i heard cups setup is install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db packages. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or you can try printconf
18:34<jordan>I have installed cups, and gutenprint
18:34<witte>jordan: ok, did you go to linux-printing.org to see if your printer is supported?
18:34<witte>jordan: and how
18:35<jordan>and even installed printconf, wich is not working
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18:35<witte>jordan: ah, linuxprinting.org, no dash
18:36<jordan>witte: checking right now
18:37<jordan>witte: my printer did work 2 years ago, whe I wa using ubuntu
18:37<witte>jordan: it seems really slow
18:37<witte>jordan: ok, in that case it should work now as well
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18:37<jordan>witte: yeah it should...
18:38<jordan>witte: been trying to configure that for a couple of weeks now...
18:38<witte>jordan: probably just a case of installing the right drivers (ppds), and to configure it correctly
18:39<witte>http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_drivers.html#de
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18:40<witte>http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_drivers.html#2
18:40<witte>that is the text of it
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18:40<jordan>witte:
18:40<jordan>witte: think I got it... I wasn't in the cups group.....
18:41<jordan>witte: i'll try to login logout
18:41<jordan>witte: brb
18:41<LivingSouL>I am looking at /var/log/syslog and it shows logs like for only hours. how do I adjust syslog to like to log things for a month or a week?
18:41<witte>jordan: ok, although i think that is only for admin stuff...
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18:44<jordan>witte: do you know what is the group for printing
18:44<jordan>?
18:45<witte>jordan: normally lp, but can you print a test page as root?
18:45<witte>if you log in to http://localhost:631
18:48<EmleyMoor>Hmm... lots of generating of docs going on now
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18:49<witte>http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Brother-HL-2040
18:50<witte>jordan: ^^
18:50<witte>jordan: it seems linuxprinting.org is no more, and it is now openprinting.org...
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18:52<LivingSouL>anyone?
18:52<jordan>witte:my printer seem to be installed correctly
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18:53<krishna>LivingSouL: man logrotate
18:54<LivingSouL>thanks
18:54<kipman>mmm so why is truecrypt non free having a skim through the license your allowed to make modfications?
18:56<EmleyMoor>kipman: Without reading the license, no idea
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19:08<SchreckLapTop>Hello all
19:08<plugwash>hi
19:09<SchreckLapTop>I'm having trouble with using my bluetotth USB on my laptop
19:09<SchreckLapTop>Hi plugwash :)
19:09<SchreckLapTop>When I use the key on the Win machine, the led flashes when searching for new devices
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19:09<SchreckLapTop>Now, connected on the laptop with Debian, I can not make it using hcitool command
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19:10<SchreckLapTop>Has anymone succeeded in doing this ?
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19:27<AndyJ>Hi people, I'm trying to connect to a Samsung SGH-A701 mobile phone, can anyone point me to a USB driver?
19:27<AndyJ>Wammu, Bitpm, usbview can all see it, but cannot communicate
19:28<AndyJ>Bitpm help suggests a linux driver "acm" but this doesn't appear to be current knowledge
19:29<SchreckLapTop>lol AndyJ I'm having problems to make my bluetooth dongle working
19:29<AndyJ>Even harder that what I'm trying to do.
19:29<SchreckLapTop>AndyJ: I can not install Wammu..
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19:29<SchreckLapTop>With aptitude
19:30<AndyJ>I installed it OK via Synaptic
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19:30<SchreckLapTop>AndyJ: Ok thanks I don't know what is is, I'll check
19:30<SchreckLapTop>:)
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19:30<witte>aptitude or synaptic are both frontends to the same program
19:31<AndyJ>From an X desktop: Desktop|Administration|Synaptic Package Manager
19:31<SchreckLapTop>witte: AndyJ Ok thanks
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19:31<SchreckLapTop>I've only icewm
19:32<AndyJ>witte: OK, I'll admit it, I'm lazy
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19:32<witte>AndyJ: why, nothing wrong with using synaptic
19:33<SchreckLapTop>I'm quite new using Debian
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19:33<AndyJ>witte: saves me remembering the command line syntax
19:33<witte>AndyJ: i just don't use it because if you update something big (let's say X) and it crashes you could get problems, but other than that, synaptic is great
19:33<SchreckLapTop>What's the command to see which modules have been included in the compilation ?
19:33<SchreckLapTop>CONFIG_BRIDGE_NETFILTER for example
19:34<SchreckLapTop>I'd like to know if it's active
19:34<witte>SchreckLapTop: cat /boot/config-...
19:34<SchreckLapTop>witte: Thanks :)
19:35<witte>SchreckLapTop: better: cat /boot/config-`uname -r` |grep CONFIG_BRIDGE_NETFILTER
19:35<SchreckLapTop>Like the `uname -r`
19:35<witte>AndyJ: what does bitpim tell you exactly with the acm driver?
19:35<SchreckLapTop>Thanks for this tip ! hehe
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19:36<AndyJ>Samsung phones use the Linux "acm" driver. This driver will automatically install with most modern Linux distributions will show up as the device /dev/usb/ttyACM0 or similar. If the acm driver does not automatically get loaded, load it with /sbin/insmod acm while logged on as root.
19:36<witte>SchreckLapTop: it is nothing really special, but very nice to know trick ;-)
19:36<witte>AndyJ: modprobe |grep acm
19:36<witte>oops
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19:36<witte>AndyJ: lsmod |grep acm
19:37<SchreckLapTop>witte: Sure, as I'm discovering the system :)
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19:37<SchreckLapTop>If I've got somting like CONFIG_BT=m
19:37<SchreckLapTop>I suppose it's not activated
19:37<witte>AndyJ: in console/terminal of course
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19:37<fabio>hi
19:37<AndyJ>witte: cdc_acm 20128 0
19:37<SchreckLapTop>How could it be possible to active it ?
19:38<AndyJ>witte: sorry, slow with cut and paste
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19:38<witte>SchreckLapTop: that means the bt driver is a module and you can modprobe it if you want it
19:38<witte>!paste
19:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:38<fabio>how can i install my nvidia Go 7300 driver
19:38<SchreckLapTop>Ok... modprobe, something new for me ! ^^
19:39*AndyJ grins
19:39<witte>SchreckLapTop: man modprobe (or just modprobe <module name>)
19:39<witte>fabio: non-free or free driver?
19:40<fabio>what disavantes of non-free
19:40<fabio>?
19:40<fabio>witte
19:40<witte>AndyJ: looks ok i guess (not sure)
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19:40<AndyJ>witte: Just not working... looking further
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19:41<witte>fabio: the software is non-free as in speech but free as in beer
19:41<AndyJ>witte: Bitpm don't like people with driver issues... too many whiners...
19:41<witte>fabio: mostly license issues or not open source
19:41*AndyJ sighs
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19:42<witte>AndyJ: is it bitpm or bitpim?
19:42<fabio>witte free driver works
19:42<fabio>well
19:42<AndyJ>witte: Sorry, BitPim
19:42<witte>AndyJ: ah ok
19:42<witte>!nv
19:42<dpkg>nv is probably the X4's free video driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or GeForce), does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/nv, http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/NVIDIA Etch users: 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' 2.0.3-1 (available since 4.0r4) provides support for GeForce 8 series chipsets. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required instead, ask me about <nvidia>.
19:43<witte>fabio: ^^
19:43<witte>!nvidia
19:43<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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19:43<witte>fabio: you need to choose between nv which is totally free, and good enough for many users, or the closed source nvidia drivers which have better 3d support
19:43<fabio>but i think nonfree is better for nvidia right
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19:44<fabio>witte i play sim city 4 under wine
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19:44<AndyJ>fabio: I use the non free driver to get the full resolution of my monitor and card
19:44<AndyJ>fabio: plus access to the card's cooling fan etc.
19:45<fabio>AndyJ it is hard to install non free driver
19:45<fabio>?
19:45<witte>!nvidia one-liner
19:45<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
19:45<witte>fabio: read the links that dpkg gave about nvidia first
19:45<AndyJ>fabio: It was not hard to install, but it means that I have to re-install every time there is an upgrade to X
19:46<AndyJ>fabio: this is annoying
19:46<fabio>ok and free driver
19:46<fabio>its difficult
19:46<fabio>?
19:47<fabio>?
19:47<qq>?
19:47<fabio>with free driver i need to reinstall when i upgrade X or kernel
19:47<fabio>?
19:47<witte>fabio: that is just installing xserver-xorg-video-nv and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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19:48<fabio>free driver works with SIM CITY 4 under wine
19:48<fabio>?
19:48<witte>fabio: you can put a question mark on the same line as the actual question. This is commonly done in english language and it is not annoying at all
19:48<witte>fabio: on the other hand putting a single question mark on a line is
19:48<fabio>witte ok sorry.
19:49<witte>:-)
19:49*AndyJ smiles and wags a finger at witte...
19:49<witte>fabio: why don't you just try
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19:50<witte>fabio: i don't have sim city, but you can install the free driver, see if it works as good as you want, and if it doesn't try the non-free version
19:50<fabio>when i can find information how to install my nvdia go 7300
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19:50<witte>01:47 <witte> fabio: that is just installing xserver-xorg-video-nv and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:51<witte>AndyJ: is your phone supported by bitpim?
19:51<fabio>witte this is for free or non free
19:51<fabio>?
19:52<krishna>fabio: probably there is a proprietary driver for your card available at the nvidia site, wich I supose will suport your card more properly than the free driver
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19:52<AndyJ>witte: It's not specifically listed as supported within the package, but I haven't found their website yet...
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19:52<witte>fabio: both are free, but the nvidia driver is closed source, this was the free one
19:52<witte>AndyJ: http://www.bitpim.org/help/
19:53<fabio>krishna how i can install nvidia non-free
19:53<witte>!tell fabio about nvidia
19:53<AndyJ>witte: Sorry, mistyped... "found [it on] their website"
19:53<witte>fabio: read the stuff dpkg told you for the non-free driver
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19:55<krishna>fabio: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
19:55<witte>AndyJ: well, i don't have such a phone, so i don't really know if and how you can synchonize it
19:55<witte>krishna: you shouldn't advise those drivers, better to use the debian installer
19:56<fabio>this site dont have 7300
19:56<fabio>:(
19:56<AndyJ>witte: no worries... I'm still looking around. There may be another package that suits this phone.
19:57<krishna>witte: yes I agree, I do not have a nvidia, and I do not even know if the proprietary one is better then the free one (in some cases it is)
19:57<krishna>witte: but he asked... ;-)
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19:57<witte>krishna: it depends on which card you have i believe.
19:58<fabio>this site dont have 7300
19:58<krishna>witte, fabio: to a previous question: the free driver is better because of freedom!
19:58<SchreckLapTop>So...
19:58<fabio>krishna yes i know but i need 3d acceleration
19:58<SchreckLapTop>I had forgotten to specify the device
19:58<SchreckLapTop>And set a name
19:59<krishna>fabio: it is your choice
19:59<SchreckLapTop>sudo hciconfig -i hci0 name ... :)
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20:01<witte>fabio: paste the output of "lspci |grep -i vga"
20:02<fabio>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] (rev a1)
20:02<cockroach>btw, i'm wondering: has anyone in here managed to get 3d acceleration working with the latest radeon driver on an rv570 card?
20:02<fabio>witte
20:02<cockroach>i'm not going to ask too many stupid questions, just generally wondering whether i should keep trying :)
20:03<witte>cockroach: try #xorg on freenode.net
20:03<cockroach>ok, thanks
20:03<witte>cockroach: if anyone knows if it is possible, they should
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20:09<witte>fabio: i think you can just use the nvidia driver such as installed using the following:
20:10<witte>!nvidia one-liner
20:10<dpkg>methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
20:10<Pitecantropus_35>hi, ... where can i get a new distro? delivered i mean
20:10<witte>fabio: so paste from "apt-get ..." until "...xserver-xorg" in your command line
20:11<witte>Pitecantropus_35: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
20:11<fabio>witte i use debian testing
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20:11<witte>!nvidia_post_etch
20:11<dpkg>methinks nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:11<Pitecantropus_35>thx wit
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20:13<cata>hi guys... im with a problem... im using ubuntu and i have an atheros wireless card ubuntu says its using some propietary drivers but somehow the card isnt workin... at least i cant connect with the nm-applet... any ideas¡
20:13<witte>!ubuntu
20:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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20:14<cata>ok i know... but the guys there didnt give me a hand... thats why i came here...
20:15<AndyJ>l8r people!
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20:15<cata>it is an atheros wireless card and lets say the system doesnt recognize it
20:16<witte>cata: debian is not ubuntu
20:16<witte>cata: try the wiki/forums of ubuntu, most likely your question is already answered there
20:17<cata>ok thanks guys
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20:21<fabio>how can i update-pciids?
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20:22<fabio>witte
20:23<witte>fabio: log in as root in a terminal
20:23<witte>and just paste the entire stuff that dpkg gave you
20:23<witte>starting from update-pciids
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20:25<fabio>O pacote nvidia-kernel-source não está disponível, mas é referenciado por outro pacote.
20:25<fabio>
20:25<fabio>The package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referenced by another package.
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20:26<witte>fabio: as root: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:26<witte>and add "contrib" and "non-free" behind "main"
20:26<witte>coudl be a few times
20:26<fabio>i already made this
20:27<witte>apt-get update
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20:30<fabio>nvidia-kernel-common witte ?
20:30<witte>fabio: ?
20:30<fabio>instead of nvidia-kernel-source
20:30<witte>fabio: no
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20:31<filip4e>anyone online?
20:31<witte>fabio: it shouldn't
20:31<witte>fabio: did you do the apt-get update
20:31<witte>fabio: and afterwards tried again?
20:31<fabio>i dont have this package @ repp but i have nvidia-kernel-common witte
20:31<fabio>yes
20:31<filip4e>i cant execute binary on my red-hat.. what should i do :(
20:31<filip4e>can i paste here output?
20:32<witte>filip4e: this is a debian forum
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20:32<witte>well, irc channel, not forum :-)
20:32<filip4e>where can i find red-hat support ?
20:32<witte>!redhat
20:32<drone77>it is a forum, just not in the internet sense of the word
20:32<witte>#redhat maybe?
20:33<filip4e>there is no #redhat :(
20:33<fabio>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
20:33<filip4e>ok thanks anyway
20:33<drone77>filip4e, try freenode?
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20:33<fabio>witte @ http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers it is refferenced nvidia-kernel-common
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20:35<witte>fabio: you can try
20:36<witte>or you can install the correct version nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`
20:36<witte>i am not sure which one you need
20:37<witte>fabio: ignore that last thing, they only seem to be made for 2.6.18 kernels, and that is most likely not what you are running in lenny
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20:38<witte>http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html
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20:39<witte>fabio: for now, just try the open source driver it seems :-)
20:39<fabio>witte how
20:40<witte>The package has not yet entered testing even though the 10-day delay is over.
20:40<guilherme>when i try to use adobe reader i saw "/opt/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading shared libraries: libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" hoe can i fix it?
20:40<witte>fabio: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv&& dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:41<witte>guilherme: how did you install acrobat?
20:41<witte>guilherme: do you know that there are acroread packages in debian-multimedia.org
20:41<witte>!dmm
20:41<dpkg>well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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20:42<guilherme>witte i used the file from adobe site
20:43<witte>guilherme: better use the package from debian-multimedia: all dependencies will be installed, you will get an automatic update when there is a new version,...
20:43<fabio>nvidia-kernel-source failed
20:43<fabio>:(
20:44<guilherme>witte: ok i will try thanks
20:44<witte>02:40 <witte> fabio: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv&& dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:47<fabio>witte done
20:47<fabio>i need to reebot
20:47<fabio>?
20:47<witte>fabio: just restart X
20:47<witte>fabio: ctrl-alt-backspace will do that, but save and exit everything first
20:47<fabio>witte can i have compiz
20:47<fabio>with this
20:47<fabio>'
20:47<fabio>?
20:47<witte>fabio: don't think so
20:48<witte>!compiz
20:48<dpkg>i guess compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net.
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20:52<fabio>i need non-free
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20:53<witte>fabio: first try if you can't improve the current settings
20:53<witte>fabio: aptitude install grandr
20:53<witte>fabio: and run it, see what you can configure
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20:54<fabio>witte but i want compiz
20:55<witte>fabio: ah yes, in that case you need the non-free driver
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20:55<witte>but i am unsure it works for your card?
20:55<witte>!compiz
20:55<dpkg>compiz is probably a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net.
20:55<fabio>witte in Linux mint it works
20:55<fabio>very well
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20:56<witte>fabio: ah, ok than it should work in debian as well
20:56<witte>fabio: to bad of the current status of the non-free driver in debian
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20:57<fabio>??
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20:57<witte>fabio: you could use the unstable driver and use apt pinning, but I am not advertising this...
20:58<witte>fabio: well, it seems there is currently no nvidia driver for debian testing...
20:58<fabio>what you recemend?
20:59<fabio>what you recomend? witte
21:00<witte>fabio: well, i would try to use the nvidia driver from unstable, but this will give you a mixed system which is not really advisible
21:00<witte>!apt-pinning
21:00<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
21:00<fabio>witte when can i have a driver in testing
21:00<fabio>?
21:01<witte>fabio: don't know, could be quite fast, or could take some time
21:01<witte>fabio: whenever the maintainers think the package is suitable for testing
21:02<witte>fabio: this page has most of the information: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html
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21:03<fabio>:(
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21:04<witte>fabio: maybe there are other solutions as well, i can't imagine no non-free nvidia card is working in testing, but i am not aware how to install it unless for apt-pinning (but i am no guru...)
21:05<fabio>witte @ site
21:05<fabio>?
21:05<witte>fabio: what do you mean?
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21:06<fabio>witte can i download driver directly from nvidia site
21:06<witte>fabio: ah, yes
21:06*witte thinks: stupid me
21:06<witte>fabio: probably that is the best solution for this momenet
21:06<witte>moment
21:06<fabio>witte its dificult
21:06<fabio>?
21:07<witte>fabio: I don't think so, there should be a README or INSTALL file...
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21:11<evilgold>does anyone know what might cause files to copy slowly TO an encrypted drive, but not from it
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21:14<martianixor>hi
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21:16<martianixor>guys I'm having a problem getting the system started, when I get to X I wouldn't be able to move the mouse and during startup there're permission denied messages, last thing I remember before this problem is multiple power failures one of which followed by automatic fsck
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21:17<martianixor>I'm not sure how bad is the corruption, also not sure if it's a file system corruption never happened before
21:17<kp^>evilgold, speed of drive, type of encryption.... and if thats a network drive etc...
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21:17<martianixor>wondering where should I start..... I'm already at the logs
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21:18<witte>martianixor: what is in dmesg
21:18<evilgold>kp^, its an LVM of 3 SATA drives, they are encrypted with dm-crypt using the twofish cipher
21:18<witte>martianixor: can you upload it to a pastebin
21:18<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
21:18<guilherme>aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
21:18<guilherme>" how can i fix it??
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21:19<martianixor>witte not sure what to look for
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21:19<martianixor>witte huge
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21:19<witte>martianixor: error, fail, warning,...
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21:19<witte>!pastebin
21:19<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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21:20<martianixor>witte but I have something like this in dmesg [ 9.498072] EXT3-fs: hda1: 5 orphan inodes deleted
21:20<kp^>evilgold, hows proc and cpu usage?
21:20<witte>martianixor: can you fsck your disks (can't hurt)
21:20<witte>!fsck
21:20<dpkg>fsck is probably a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck
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21:21<martianixor>witte also [ 7.751150] EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem
21:21<martianixor>witte well I actually tried but it's scary you know
21:21<kipman>I'm guessing there is no linux support at all for my webcam Bus 004 Device 002: ID 093a:262a Pixart Imaging, Inc. as I have the gspca driver installed and it looks like its working but when I plug my camera in its not detected by gspca
21:21<martianixor>witte I can't imagine losing my 2.5 years installation
21:22<evilgold>kp^, cpu usage doenst seem to go up very much during transfers
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21:22<witte>martianixor: i am no expert, but you should be able to recover everything (or most)
21:23<martianixor>witte what a decision, ok thanks alot, help is greatly appreciated :-)
21:23<evilgold>kp^, kcryptd uses only about 5% cpu
21:23<SchreckLapTop>Ok so... Problem with pairing bluetooth seemed to come from the /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf
21:23<SchreckLapTop>Method should be set to default password
21:23<SchreckLapTop>o_O
21:24<kp^>evilgold, yeah, whats your mem usage like? im using 2fish on 10k scsi drives and it takes awhile.
21:24<witte>martianixor: fsck shouldn't hurt your system too much :-)
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21:24<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present. aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity " what can i do to fix it?
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21:25<witte>kipman: maybe this ubuntu link helps for you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=622351&highlight=pixart
21:25<martianixor>witte good to to read that, thanks again, I'm going to try it most propably nothing more to lose
21:25<evilgold>kp^, I've notice that the slow copy to the drive uses 5% cpu, while copying from it to another encrypted drive uses 70%
21:25<witte>martianixor: but you better try first to have a live cd
21:25<witte>martianixor: make backups of whatever you have
21:25<martianixor>witte actually this is a live cd ;-)
21:26<witte>and do fsck on the disks unmounted
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21:26<martianixor>witte yup sure I've done it the very first time on mounted filesystem, no body learn for free
21:26<witte>kipman: although the gspca driver shoudl work, what do you get in dmesg when you plug the webcam in and out
21:26<evilgold>kp^, it doesnt tend to use much memory, i have 2GB ram
21:27<kp^>evilgold, raid array, or just a straigh volume?
21:27<kp^>evilgold, ok
21:27<martianixor>witte that was back in the days when I was transfering from something else to Linux
21:28<evilgold>kp^, its just a volume
21:28<witte>martianixor: well, i am not going to mention all the stupidities that i have done in the years i am using linux, but indeed, there is one way to learn stuff so that you never forget :-)
21:29<kipman>dmesg http://pastebin.com/m271ffd4
21:29<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work http://pastebin.ca/1173707\ what can i do to fix it?
21:29<witte>kipman: which kernel?
21:29<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work http://pastebin.ca/1173707 what can i do to fix it?
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21:29<martianixor>witte no just giving you an idea on how much I'm not comfortable now using fsck
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21:30<kipman>2.625-2 amd64
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21:31<kipman>sorry typos: 2.6.25-2-amd64
21:32<witte>kipman: yeah, got that ;-). what does lsmod |grep gspca give
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21:32<kipman>http://pastebin.com/m31d57b10
21:33<witte>kipman: so it should work i guess
21:33<kipman>but it dosen't does that mean that my webcam is not suported?
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21:34<witte>don't know for sure, it has been a real long time since i used a webcam, looks like it recognizes something, i am just not sure if it is enough...
21:34<kipman>hmm well I should have something called video0 in /dev but I don't http://pastebin.com/m7ad58581
21:35<witte>kipman: which debian are you using? lenny?
21:35<kipman>yep
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21:36<kp^>evilgold, I wanna think its the configuration of the volume and how you have it setup. I would tend to think its a read/write setting that would need adjustment. I'm looking into it now..
21:37<witte>kipman: http://mxhaard.free.fr/
21:39<kipman>witte do I need the latest version?
21:39<witte>kipman: it is not on the list it seems. Is the webcam extremely new?
21:39<kipman>yeah It was purchased from tescos the other day
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21:40<kipman>it was cheap fortunatly it has a good picture though
21:40<mossy>anyone recommend a firewall app that would be better than guidedog? i started with firestarter, but guarddog gives more control over specific protocols. i'm looking for a third option that would allow me to select a "trusted application" to make an exception for.
21:40<witte>kipman: maybe your best chances are to contact the person who makes those drivers?
21:40<kipman>do you think if I sent him my webcam he would be able to make a driver?
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21:41<witte>kipman: maybe he can even do some diagnostics from his home? could be that the difference between your webcam and an already existing one is small
21:42<witte>check his website if he mentions something on unsupported webcams and how to help :-)
21:42<kipman>right I will do that then
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21:42<witte>kipman: btw: his site is french, don't know how much it would cost for you to transfer it there and back again ;-)
21:42<mossy>?
21:43<kipman>I live in england it would cost more than the camera but would be woth it as I imagain lost of other people have the same problems
21:43<witte>mossy: you can make a trusted zone specific for that one application
21:44<witte>kipman: better to send him money to buy himself such a cam in a nearby shop :P
21:44<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work http://pastebin.ca/1173707 what can i do to fix it? i tried to reinstal compiz but didn't work.
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21:44<kipman>hmm well tescos has taken over england I don't know if they have done the same in france yet
21:45<kipman>I don't think technika is a well known brand
21:45<witte>kipman: the only thing that matters is the chipset it uses
21:45<witte>the rest is just plastic
21:46<witte>and the chip is pixart, of which most seem to be supported
21:46<SchreckLapTop>Something strange... When entering...
21:46<SchreckLapTop>sudo aptitude install wammu
21:46<SchreckLapTop>Couldn't find package wammu
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21:47<SchreckLapTop>o_O
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21:48<witte>kipman: http://mxhaard.free.fr/donation.html those people gave him something so he would make drivers...
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21:49<kipman>mmm will do it the morning too late atm
21:49<kipman>very tired
21:49<kipman>night all
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21:50<kipman>thanks for the help
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21:50<mossy>witte: are you familiar with the process of making a new zone?
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21:50<phillipsjk>mossy: sounds like you want something like zonealarm. If you do your day-to day surfing as a normal user, your firewall shouldn't get comprimised by malware. For "changed program" functionality, try the results of: "apt-cache search tripwire"
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21:50<guilherme>i update my system (at synaptic) and now compiz didn't work http://pastebin.ca/1173707 what can i do to fix it? i tried to reinstal compiz but didn't work.
21:51<mossy>didn't know zonealarm made a linux client
21:51<witte>mossy: first or second tab, you have local (all save) and internet (all evil), and you can make other ones
21:51<witte>!tell guilherme about repeat
21:51<phillipsjk>mossy: they don't (as far as I know)
21:51<mossy>:/
21:51<mossy>thanks phil. not
21:52<guilherme>sorry, but it is driving me crazy, sorry
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21:53<phillipsjk>Mossy: what, specificly do you want to accomplish? I suggested using a combination of tools. (Your firewall and somthing like 'tripwrie')
21:53<phillipsjk>*tripwire
21:53<mossy>i cant get quake to connect to the net without disabling my firewall.
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21:54<SchreckLapTop>Is it possible that a package is present on a mirror and not on another one ?
21:54<witte>guilherme: which graphics driver do you use, reinstall it
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21:54<witte>SchreckLapTop: yes, but unlikely
21:54<phillipsjk>do you know what port quake uses? are you trying to act as a server? Q1 is 2600 iirc.
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21:55<SchreckLapTop>witte: Ok thanks. It's strange, I'm not able to install wammu with aptitude
21:55<SchreckLapTop>:/
21:56<guilherme>witte ok, i will do thanks for all, and sorry again
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21:56<witte>SchreckLapTop: upload your sources.list to a pastebin
21:56<witte>!tell SchreckLapTop about pastebin
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21:56<SchreckLapTop>witte: That was what I was about to do
21:56<SchreckLapTop>:)
21:56<SchreckLapTop>!paste
21:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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21:58<SchreckLapTop>witte: Do you have a solution for copying / pasting ?
21:58<SchreckLapTop>With XTerm from icewm
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21:58<witte>you mean select and middle mouse button?
21:58<SchreckLapTop>I've no possibility to do it with right clic
21:59<witte>as anywhere in linux
21:59<SchreckLapTop>I've a touch pad
21:59<witte>two buttons at the same time
21:59<SchreckLapTop>Ok thanks I'll try
21:59<witte>but that is not always enabled (you should though)
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22:03<SchreckLapTop> 1 #
22:04<SchreckLapTop>oups
22:04<SchreckLapTop>:/
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22:04<erKURITA>are you trying to paste something into the channel?
22:04<SchreckLapTop>Nop
22:04<SchreckLapTop>Problem with clipboard
22:04<SchreckLapTop>:/
22:05<SchreckLapTop>I'm trying to paste the link
22:05<erKURITA>is it hard to press ctrl+c ?
22:05<erKURITA>then ctrl+v to paste it?
22:06<phillipsjk>SchreckLapTop, The rudimentry text selection copy & paste goes with the LAST peice of text selected.
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22:06<SchreckLapTop>erKURITA: It doesn't work so
22:07<erKURITA>what an odd laptop you've got there
22:07<SchreckLapTop>http://paste.debian.net/14893/
22:07<SchreckLapTop>lol erKURITA
22:07<SchreckLapTop>Using icewm and XTerm
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22:08<erKURITA>I'd recommend you to add another setup
22:08<erKURITA>err
22:08<erKURITA>repository
22:08<SchreckLapTop>The laptop is not so old
22:09<SchreckLapTop>erKURITA: What do you mean (I'm beginning with Debian)
22:09<erKURITA>Having just with the security repository is like missing out the other arm
22:09<erKURITA>let's see
22:11<phillipsjk>http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
22:12<SchreckLapTop>phillipsjk: On another machine
22:12<erKURITA>My net's dying
22:12<erKURITA>anyway
22:12<erKURITA>SchreckLapTop where you at
22:13<SchreckLapTop>i've got as source ftp.u-strasbg.fr
22:13<SchreckLapTop>i've got as source ftp.u-strasbg.fr etch main
22:13<erKURITA>so what you pasted isn't your entire sources.list, right?
22:13<SchreckLapTop>It is the one from the laptop
22:14<SchreckLapTop>The other one is running on a virtual machine
22:15<erKURITA>so, in /etc/apt/sources.list, you've only got the security repository? In other words, what you pasted in http://paste.debian.net/14893/ is the contents of that file?
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22:16<SchreckLapTop>erKURITA: Yes
22:17<SchreckLapTop>If I add the same thing as what's on the virtual machine
22:17<SchreckLapTop>i've got the following error message after havint send
22:17<SchreckLapTop>sudo aptitude instal wammu
22:17<erKURITA>you're missing an l (as in lowercase L) there
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22:18<SchreckLapTop>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.u-strasbg.fr etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.u-strasbg.fr_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
22:18<SchreckLapTop>W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files
22:19<phillipsjk>SchreckLapTop, I had a similar problem untill I used 'dselect' instead of 'aptitude' for the initial hit.
22:19<erKURITA>issue an apt-get update
22:19<erKURITA>sudo apt-get update
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22:20<SchreckLapTop>Ok it downloads stuff now
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22:20<SchreckLapTop>Thanks ! :)
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22:22<phillipsjk>Does anybody know how to check which groups you belong to without the benefit of the /etc/groups file? (I am playing with NIS)
22:24<erKURITA>you could try changing files belonging to another group and see if you can, given that the permissions are correctly set for that
22:24<erKURITA>:3
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22:25<phillipsjk>I need to run through the alsa-checklist (factoid). Silly thing is, I'm stuck on step 1. (run alsaconf as root)
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22:26<guilherme>!paste
22:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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22:27<guilherme>!pastebin
22:27<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
22:27<Bladesman>Hello. Anyone know a command line util to audibly let someone know if mail arrives?
22:28<guilherme>i have a problem with gdesklets http://pastebin.ca/1173768
22:28<erKURITA>oh gdesklets
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22:29*Bladesman is looking for something that will do something like playing "You've got Mail!" at you.
22:29<erKURITA>That looks like serious business
22:30<witte>SchreckLapTop: sorry, i was gone for a moment (phelps won ;-))
22:30<witte>SchreckLapTop: is it solved with wammu?
22:30<erKURITA>Bladesman you could code a daemon to check your mailbox in time to time, and play with a CLI media player a sound file of your liking
22:30<witte>Bladesman: in which application, iceweasel does already do something like that
22:31*Bladesman is blind and can't use the GUI until the get orca running well.
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22:32<erKURITA>Probably orca does that
22:32<erKURITA>It should, nevertheless
22:32<witte>Bladesman: ah, ok, don't know of such an application
22:32<matong>Bladesman: Maybe check out the mutt wiki or the mailing list.
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22:33<Bladesman>Don't have much in the way of web access either from the command line. Links2 isn't all that javascript savvy, unfortunately.
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22:35<Bladesman>Oh well, Just thought I'd ask before running an "apt-cache search mail" and wade through it all. Thanks folks.
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22:36<phillipsjk>Bladesman before HTML 4, that was a feature!
22:37*phillipsjk is blind while typing
22:37<guilherme>i have a problem with gdesklets when i try to oppen it they say about this error http://pastebin.ca/1173768
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22:44<phillipsjk>any comment from me would be speculation. (Gnome uses 256MB now?!)
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23:01<SchreckLapTop>If someone sees witte
23:01<SchreckLapTop>:)
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23:01<SchreckLapTop>It's solved ! ^^
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23:02<martyn>hey : Night :)
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23:05<martyn>:D I have been compile and install pidgin.. but I dont kno how I run pidgin :( ..
23:05<SchreckLapTop>martyn: You're lucky
23:06<SchreckLapTop>I've had lot of problems with it
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23:06<SchreckLapTop>Always compiler or header something like that missing
23:06<phillipsjk>try: 'pidgin &' in a terminal window.
23:06<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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23:12<martyn>command not found :(
23:13<martyn>i'm try recompile...ç
23:14<phillipsjk>if you compiled it yourself, you may need to specify the exact path. if you are in the directory: './pidgin &' (ls would show its presence)
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23:18<Leo2>how can I view memory used by system? I need to find out of one of the program has memory leaks cos sever slows down
23:19<phillipsjk>the literal answer: 'free' for information of (CPU) hogging processes: 'top'
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23:21<Leo2>phillipsjk, thank you
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23:21<lukehasnoname>hello?
23:22<Leo2>phillipsjk, what do i do it "top" command does not fit on screen?
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23:22<martyn>...
23:22<RIVE>Hi lukehasnoname.
23:23<lukehasnoname>ok, I didn't know if my connection was quite up and running.
23:23<lukehasnoname>thanks rive
23:24<phillipsjk>Leo2, read through 'man top', or just resize the window.
23:25<RIVE>np lukehasnoname.
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23:31<Leo2>Does anyone know if apache creates separate child process for each request?
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23:41<path>is there a way to downgrade or migrate amd64 to i386 ?
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23:41<path>supposedly I'm using amd64 and want to go back to i386
23:42<RIVE>path, the only way is a clean x386 install.
23:42<martyn>pidgin installed on debian :)
23:42<path>RIVE ok :-)
23:43<path>and thanks, I was reading every single thread on mailing lists
23:43<RIVE>path, why you want a x386?
23:43<SchreckLapTop>Have a good night all ! :)
23:44<SchreckLapTop>& thanks ;D
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23:53<tom-bbl>hi would anyone know anything about the alpha architecture and srm bios?
23:54<Leo2>I am looking at "top" system processes and apache2 is using lot of cpu spread by many instances run by www-data
23:54<Leo2>is this people ging into the site?
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23:56<dmoerner>!alpha
23:56<dpkg>WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha
23:56<dmoerner>not much hope i'm afraid
23:57<tom-bbl>i have a hardware problem, i am getting kernel panic, but looks like noone can help
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