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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-08-17

---Logopened Sun Aug 17 00:00:35 2008
00:01<dmoerner>egypcio, unknown right now
00:03<Nemoder>my guess would be Rocky
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00:14<ubuntu>g
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00:27<egypcio>dmoerner; release's names, can 'the mortals' vote for?
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00:31<egypcio>Nemoder; why?
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00:32<Nemoder>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters
00:36<egypcio>know about t.s.
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00:37<loongson>大家好
00:38<Nemoder>although it would be funny if it was Carl since having Carl follow Lenny would also be a good Simpsons reference :)
00:38<sandor>还有中国人在,好
00:39<loongson>
00:39<loongson>是个新手
00:39<loongson>又不懂英语
00:39<loongson>
00:40<sandor>俺也不太是老手
00:40<egypcio>Nemoder; heahael good one
00:40<loongson>您是哪里人
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00:41<sandor>我是四川人,家在新疆,在北京读书
00:41<simonrvn>um, english please?
00:41<loongson>我买了个龙芯电脑,看到这个程序,就闯进来了
00:42<sandor>my english is poor
00:42<simonrvn>(at least i can see what language it is ;)
00:42<loongson>你在读大学?
00:42<sandor>
00:42<sandor>we speek chinese
00:43<Nemoder>!cn
00:43<dpkg>hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
00:43<simonrvn>yeh, i figured that
00:43<loongson>我外甥女今年考到北京服装学院了,过几天开学,你在哪个学校?
00:44<piper>我不说中文,英语,所以请;)
00:44<loongson>好的。再见
00:45*simonrvn sighs
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00:47<Nemoder>that URL is broken
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00:48<simonrvn>so's the utf-8 in the bot, but it was stored badly
00:48<Nemoder>I must not have UTF8 working either, I just see lots of ascii and hex boxes
00:49<simonrvn>i could see what they were writing, but the bot's stuff is mangled
00:49<simonrvn>the stuff after "Qt/KDE" there
00:49<sandor>you need chinese fonts
00:49<simonrvn>我外甥女今年考到北京服装学院了,过几天开学,你在哪个学校?
00:49<simonrvn>i could see what they were writing, but the bot's stuff is mangled
00:50<simonrvn>Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 <-- that stuff
00:50<Nemoder>sandor: what package has those for utf8?
00:50<simonrvn>the font i'm using works just fine ;)
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00:51<simonrvn>using inconsolata in g-t
00:51<sandor>I use msyahei.
00:52<Nemoder>ah not available in debian :(
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00:54<sandor>xfonts-wqy
00:54<simonrvn>inconsolata is. use whatever is the best tool for the job. i sometimes use syllabics, and deja vu and inconsolata has a good coverage, as well as asian, so i use that.
00:55<simonrvn>ah ha :)
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00:56<Nemoder>I will try that one but I'm not sure how/if I need to setup xchat for it
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00:56<simonrvn>!utf8
00:56<dpkg>well, utf8 is how the Perl and PHP people spell UTF-8. See also <UTF-8>.
00:56<simonrvn>!utf-8
00:56<dpkg>i heard utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man ...
00:57<user01>any idea which bios setting i would change to for a flash drive to boot? USB:FDD USB:CD or USB:HDD
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00:58<user01>cause my old thinkpad just freezes
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00:58<simonrvn>door #3 sounds the most likely
00:58<user01>simonrvn, it has a minus in front of it in the bios
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00:58<user01>and it freezes when i put all three as first choice
00:58<simonrvn>which means what?
00:59<user01>simonrvn, cant boot from usb?
00:59<user01>simonrvn, or i messed up the install on my flash disk?
00:59<simonrvn>install guide has usb key install/boot docs
00:59<user01>:)
01:00<user01>simonrvn, i followed them
01:00<user01>simonrvn, not sure it works . . . it freezes before it goes to boot
01:00<user01>simonrvn, at the ibm logo screen
01:01<simonrvn>i dunno man, that's all i can contribute, sorry.
01:01<user01>simonrvn, until i unplug it
01:01<user01>ok . .. ill just burn a cd
01:01<simonrvn>hm, time out? trying to read from it?
01:02<user01>simonrvn, it freezes right when the option to go to bios pops up
01:03<user01>or f12 for boot options
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01:04<simonrvn>bios updated? maybe you need to tweak a setting?
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01:14<oakgrove>i did something really stupid
01:15<oakgrove>i mounted my /dev in a chroot then foolishly did a rm -rf in the chroot. is this install doomed? i haven't rebooted yet
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01:18<revslowmo>I just installed a base system and need to run grub again, I have the netinstall cd know the all the partition info how would I boot it
01:18<revslowmo>or run the grub console
01:20<revslowmo>I dont wanna run the installer, just like a livecd for a bit
01:21<user01>simonrvn, hmmm i put it back on the computer and the disk cant be read now
01:21<user01>cant be mounted
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01:47<cTATUK>Is there any public Debian roadmap?
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01:55<revslowmo>The pkg selection that you get when you install debian, ie Desktop Sytem, DNS server, can I select one of those groups once a system is installed
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01:58<chealer>revslowmo: yes (tasksel)
01:59<revslowmo>chealer: THANKS
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02:16<irishlard>whats up
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03:14<Dillo_of_Faeo>hello-- I've a pretty basic hardware question. I'm looking for a good graphics card- any suggestions?
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05:03<aleix>sorry on lenny
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05:59<EmleyMoor>Did I spill a password here last night or had my connection died before it got through?
06:00*EmleyMoor has reverted this machine to etch
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06:30<EmleyMoor>Is there a comprehensive list anywhere of packages in etch but not in lenny?
06:32<Lethalman>EmleyMoor, packages.debian.org
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06:33<EmleyMoor>Lethalman: How do I find packages which are in etch but not in lenny from it? (other than by trial and error which would take a long time)
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06:34<Lethalman>EmleyMoor, packages.debian.org
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06:34<EmleyMoor>packages.debian.org and *DO WHAT*?
06:34<Lethalman>EmleyMoor, read the page
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06:35<EmleyMoor>There is no "show packages in etch but not in lenny" - nor, it seems, any intuitive way to search for same
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06:35<Lethalman>EmleyMoor, it's intuitive, you must read the page
06:35<EmleyMoor>I *HAVE* read it
06:35<Lethalman>don't use caps please
06:36<Lethalman>this is the list you want of stable: http://packages.debian.org/stable/
06:36<EmleyMoor>Yes
06:36<Lethalman>so what's the problem in that?
06:36<Lethalman>you want a search? below the page packages.debian.org there's a search where you can specify the stable distribution
06:36<EmleyMoor>That shows what's in stable. I want what's in stable and not in testing, at the same time
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06:36<Lethalman>if my two replies didn't satisfy you haven't formulated your question the right way
06:37<Lethalman>omg
06:37<Lethalman>you want like a table on the left stable on the right lenny?
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06:38<soulchild>HI all,... any idea how to burn an CD-Iso to an DVD-RAM ? I cannot even format the DVD-RAM
06:38<EmleyMoor>Lethalman: I don't want to see "what's in stable" and "what's in testing", nor "what's in both", more "what's in stable but also not in testing"
06:38<soulchild>*using brasero or Nautilus burn
06:38<EmleyMoor>A side-by-side list would need me to manually go through and find what's afoot
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07:37<ivonei>oi
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07:37<ivonei>bom dia
07:37<ivonei>tem alguem que falar portugues
07:37<ivonei>para mim ajuda
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07:38<jMCg>pt
07:38<jMCg>!pt
07:38<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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07:38<ivonei>oi
07:39<jMCg>Usually: #<topic> is english and you can find #<topic>-<two letter country or language code>, most of the time anyways
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08:25<_Vi>How to cancel a shutdown if I pressed a power button? It waits about 30 seconds and then "Power button pressed; runlevel 0" etc. "shutdown -c" don't helps. google("Debian cancel shutdown power button") neither.
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08:35<offlinebouncer>Hi everyone :-)
08:39<offlinebouncer>I'm having problems booting lenny-beta2-installer on my Amilo 1510 notebook, it hangs with pci-error 7+8...any Ideas? (etch-installer boots ok)
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08:43<_Fabio20>i have tried install my nvidia go 7300 with non free drivers from nvidia.com but i cant install
08:43<_Fabio20>installer said i have wrong gcc kernel
08:43<_Fabio20>4.1 -- 4.3
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08:48<offlinebouncer>anyone online?
08:48<Gekz>_Fabio20: it means you need to install the same gcc you used for you kernel, and pass the CC variable
08:49<_Fabio20>how
08:49<Gekz>google may know
08:50<_Fabio20>i dont understand im new at debian
08:51<_Fabio20>please help geks
08:51<Gekz>I can't help
08:51<Gekz>I cant remember how to do it
08:51<Gekz>:P
08:52<Gekz>_Fabio20: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
08:52<MotoHoss>_Fabio20: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1
08:53<_Fabio20>Gekz someone said that dont be any nvidia drivers non free in lenny
08:53<Gekz>_Fabio20: do what the wiki says?
08:54<MotoHoss>_Fabio20: carefully review that page Gekz referred you to.
08:55<_Fabio20>m-a auto-install nvidia
08:55<_Fabio20>i cant find this package
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08:56<_Fabio20>i dont have nvidia-kernel-source in my reps
08:56<offlinebouncer>apt-get install module-assistant
08:56<_Fabio20>offlinebouncer alredy done :(
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08:59<_Fabio20>offlinebouncer how i can install at lenny
08:59<offlinebouncer>i use etch, cause i can't boot lenny-installer...
08:59<offlinebouncer>try the binary package from nvidia (*.run)
09:00<offlinebouncer>you need kernel-headers for your kernel and build-essential!
09:02<_Fabio20>offlinebouncer i tried nvidia.run
09:02<_Fabio20>but it said gcc s mismatch
09:02<_Fabio20>4.1 4.3
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09:04<offlinebouncer>start "m-a" and select "prepare"
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09:04<grgdorn>help! my wireless just stopped working...
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09:05<grgdorn>I have been using knetwokmanager to connect but suddently it cant find my network. what gives?
09:05<grgdorn>wifi-radar sees it but doesnt connect to it
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09:17<superjet_busy>where to get apt.sql of dpkg bot? the link in official infobot is broken
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09:25<abrotman>!tell superjet_busy about your factoids
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09:27<superjet_busy>abrotman: thanks!
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10:24<bernhard>hi
10:25<bernhard>'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' only asks and configures my keyboard. Is there a now way to go?
10:25<bernhard>And I can't find bitchx in debian any more.
10:27<LeGreffi3R>-phigh and -plow to get more question
10:27<bernhard>*burp*
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10:27<gsimmons>bernhard: BitchX was removed to resolve Debian bug #451373.
10:28<bernhard>hmm thx
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10:30<chealer>bernhard: what do you mean by "now way to go"?
10:31<bernhard>And why doesn't 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ask me for a video driver, CRT frequencies, resolutios, etc?
10:31<bernhard>chealer: Some other way to configure X.
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10:32<bernhard>X -configure produced a better xorg.conf, but it didn't work, either.
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10:33<chealer>bernhard: yes, you can edit xorg.conf with a text editor
10:33<bernhard>mhm
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10:34<bernhard>but that's not the currently preferred way, building it with an editor, right?
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10:35<cahoot>bernhard: you're sure you really need an elaborate xorg.conf?
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10:39<bernhard>well, actually no. But I was used to 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. Getting it right myself would require some effort. But I do have a file which I can work on...
10:39<chealer>bernhard: no, but it's only preferred if debconf allows you to configure X almost as you want
10:39<enouf>it's the new Xorg way .. autoconfigure bernhard
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10:40<enouf>grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see which video driver is being used (as well as mouse/keys/etc)
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10:40<bernhard>also, I don't get meaningful error messages in the xorg logs. So I don't much know what to do.
10:41<enouf>there are no errors
10:42<bernhard>well, the last line is 'Backtrace:' Nothing suspicious before that.
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10:44<bernhard>I installed nvidia with the nvidia installer.
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10:44<bernhard>what the heck. My cursor keys are dead.
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10:47<bernhard>I'll reboot ... cu
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10:48<cahoot>flw
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10:54<intreq>hi guys, i am new to debian:Djust installed and doing a dist-upgrade :]
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10:59<Txt-file>intreq: and now?? any problem or works everything fine?
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10:59<bernhard>re
10:59<bernhard>found bitchx.deb in var/cache/apt/archives
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11:00<abrotman>bernhard: use irssi
11:01<bernhard>ok, I'll try it some time
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11:02<abrotman>bernhard: uhm .. bitchx has been removed from debian, been abandoned by upstream authors, and has three fairly serious security issues
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11:03<bernhard_>yeah, quite similar to bitchx
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11:03<abrotman>huh?
11:03<abrotman>oh
11:04<bernhard_>gg
11:04<bernhard_>glad I didn't use it as root, then.
11:04<suiside>bernhard_: check out the startup howto on irssi.org, I recall there's a list of settings there to make it actually mimic bitchx in behaviour
11:05<bernhard_>well, I'm more used to kvirc, so it needn't be exactly bitchx. But thx.
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12:09<Aleric>I think I should write my own window manager... metacity just SUCKS.
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12:10<Aleric>Is there another window manager that is GOOD that someone can recommend?
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12:10<abrotman>depends on what you want
12:10<abrotman>Aleric: you mean with gnome?
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12:10<Aleric>yes
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12:10<E0x>try openbox
12:11<abrotman>i personally use sawfish .. i've heard of people using fluxbox and olwm with gnome
12:11<E0x>i use pekwm but without gnome
12:11<abrotman>!xwinman
12:11<dpkg>somebody said xwinman was probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL!
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12:12<Aleric>The main reason that metacity sucks is because the maintainers refuse to support vertical or horizontal maximization in a proper way and to support multi-head in a proper way. I wrote (very good) patches for both, but they simply don't review them, or say they don't like it that people can right-click ANYWHERE and not get the same useless menu popup and the patch is ignored.
12:13<Aleric>It also very often places windows on wrong place (wrong monitor; due to lack of support by maintainers for multi-head (none of them has more than one monitor).
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12:14<abrotman>so just try another WM
12:14<Aleric>So, if you know a window manager that is good at putting window where you want them and has not problems with two (or more) monitors, then that would be the one to try :)
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12:17<HelpAttacked>can someone confirm hat this iptables record is correct:
12:17<HelpAttacked>-A INPUT -m iprange --src-range 190.56.0.0-190.56.225.225 -j DROP
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12:19<abrotman>HelpAttacked: #iptables on freenode
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12:19<HelpAttacked>abrotman, thanks
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12:29<terabyte>Hey all - I figured out the problem I was having a few days ago (I think...) It seems my PATA controller on my motherboard isn't supported in 2.6.18. Does anyone know where I can get a netinst image with a newer kernel?
12:29<terabyte>I read the directions to build my own and started messing around with that, but it seems like a super pain =(
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12:33<abrotman>terabyte: there is the etchnhalf with a .24
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12:34<Woet>my timezone is Europe/Amsterdam
12:34<terabyte>abrotman: thanks, is that on debian.org somewhere? I didn't see it
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12:34<Woet>and I synced with NTP
12:34<Woet>it still gives the wrong time
12:34<abrotman>terabyte: yes it is
12:34<Woet>'Sun Aug 17 09:32:08 PDT 2008'
12:34<abrotman>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/
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12:35<terabyte>abrotman: thanks a lot! =D
12:35<Woet>anyone has any idea?
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12:37<terabyte>Woet: Do you have any environment variables set which appear to be related to timezone? (try: env | less )
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12:45<Woet>terabyte: nothing I can see
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12:49<mossy_>abrotman: you do any gaming?
12:50<abrotman>uh what?
12:50<mossy_>i'm trying to get a gamepad mapped to keyboard keys.
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12:55<Woet>My timezone is Europe/Amsterdam, so the time should be 18:55. 'date' shows 09:55 though.
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12:56<Woet>How to solve this?
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12:56<cahoot>not an am/pm thing?
12:56<Woet>err, obviously not, since the even with am/pm the times wont match.
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12:57<cahoot>what does hwclock --show say?
12:58<Woet>seahorse:~# hwclock --show
12:58<Woet>Sun 17 Aug 2008 10:58:11 AM PDT -0.336288 seconds
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12:58<cahoot>really confused
12:59<Woet>i just want both date and hwclock to say the GMT + 1 time
12:59<Woet>which is 18:59 atm
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12:59<cahoot>AM PDT - wonder what timezone
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13:00<upsilon>did you set the right timezone?
13:00<cahoot>did you enable UTC?
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13:02<cahoot>Woet: /msg dpkg set the time
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13:15<EmleyMoor>How can I determine which packages in etch have been dropped from lenny?
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13:25<EmleyMoor>I'm looking to determine what's "ripe for removal" from an etch system - using the criterion that the package is obsolete in lenny - is there any way I can find a list of such packages?
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13:39<cahoot>EmleyMoor: put a request here? http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase
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13:39<cahoot>http://udd.debian.net/cgi-bin/removal_candidates.cgi
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13:41<EmleyMoor>There is, at least for sources, such a list, but it is in an order that doesn't really help.... I'll see what I can do
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13:46<Lethalman>cool thing UDD forgot that
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13:48<fxiny>ahhhh : jablicator++
13:48<fxiny>fantastic
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13:51<fxiny>debian custom release :)) /dists/debian-custom/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 HTTP/1.1" 404 321 "-"
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13:51<lormot>hello
13:52<lormot>my ethernet interface isn't coming up automatically at boot
13:52<lormot>can i configure my system so that it happens automatically?
13:53<Simon_42>allow-auto <InterfaceName> is what you need.
13:54<lormot>really? i thought i needed to edit my /etc/network/interfaces file
13:54<Simon_42>sure
13:54<Simon_42>that's the parameter you need
13:55<lormot>anywhere in the file? "allow-auto eth0"
13:55<Simon_42>oh, yeah my answer looked like a shell command...
13:55<abrotman>uhm
13:55<Simon_42>sorry
13:55<abrotman>it's just `auto eth0`
13:55<abrotman>man interfaces
13:55<Simon_42>abrotman: man interfaces
13:55<abrotman>auto eth0
13:55<cahoot>allow-hotplug? Simon_42
13:55<Simon_42>no.
13:56<Simon_42>read the man page. allow-auto and auto are synonyms
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13:56<lormot>so i edited the file so it says "auto lo etho"
13:56<lormot>*eth0
13:56<Simon_42>lormot: that should do
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13:57<nubbun>How do I install inspite of hash mismatch?
13:58<lormot>from what i read it looks like i need this line as well. i usually have to run dhclient manually from the console to obtain an ip. "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
13:58<abrotman>yes
13:58<lormot>k
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13:59<Simon_42>lormot: (allow-)auto will do the dhclient at bootup for you
14:00<lormot>this is what i have right now. http://paste.debian.net/14982/
14:00<abrotman>that's fine
14:01<abrotman>but what happened to eth0 ?
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14:05<petterson>how do I print a text file to LPT1?
14:06<petterson>I want to print in text mode (without choosing fonts) in a matrix printer
14:06<petterson>how do I do that?
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14:07<cahoot>lpr file?
14:08<erKURITA>in OS/2 you'd just redirect it to LPT1
14:08<erKURITA>I wonder if it works in Linux...
14:08<petterson>in debian?
14:08<cahoot>try?
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14:08<erKURITA>can't
14:08<erKURITA>I don't have any printer connected to a parallel port
14:08<petterson>cahoot: error No default destination available
14:11<Simon_42>erKURITA: yes, you can just cat it to the device
14:11<erKURITA>Awesome
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14:13<enouf>hrm ; ~$ ll /dev/printer
14:13<enouf>srw-rw---- 1 root lp 0 2008-08-17 05:20 /dev/printer
14:14<enouf> |-lpd,10582,lp -s
14:14<petterson>tkx enouf
14:15<enouf>i don't even have my parallel printer hooked up anymore O_o
14:17<cockroach>can i somehow manually terminate a tcp connection? i forgot to log out of some service from a machine i can't ssh into, but i can ssh into the server...
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14:30<Woet>'libcrypto.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
14:30<Woet>what do I need to install?
14:30<abrotman>Woet: /msg dpkg search
14:31<Woet>already did.
14:31<dmoerner>Woet, so what did apt-file tell you?
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14:41<Woet>dmoerner: I got the file I need
14:41<Woet>where to copy/move it?
14:42<dmoerner>Woet, what do you mean "you got"? the library you want is in the package libssl0.9.8. you just have to install that with apt
14:43<Woet>libssl0.9.8 is already the newest version.
14:43<Woet>dmoerner: you told me to use apt-file, and I found the file I need at 'usr/lib/i486/libcrypto.so.0.9.8
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14:44<dmoerner>Woet, that is already in the default path. there is no need to move it anywhere
14:44<enouf>i've gotten similar errors with konq / kde crap
14:44<Woet>then why does it say 'libcrypto.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory' ?
14:44<brenan>I am setting up my first debian webserver; I will be the only person using it, what is the best practice regarding accounts
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14:45<dmoerner>Woet, is that the only error you get? what are you trying to do?
14:45<abrotman>Woet: what are you trying to run?
14:46<brenan>ie should I bother with more than root?
14:46<enouf>after an upgrade failed miserably, i just decided to reboot - fixed some issues, but now, konq crashes no matter what upon opening any ssl/https page, and even backtrace crashes .. so,i stopped using that crap
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14:48<enouf>oh, i only rebooted cause it also wiped out my entire sound system, and even the kernel modules vanished and alsaconf could no longer even find my card - something pooped it's pants somewhere - oh well - sound is fine once again
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14:51<Zaka__>Hello need help plz with the network-manager-kde
14:52<Zaka__>when i login as root detect my wireless, but as normal user no
14:52<Zaka__>cant detect device
14:53<the-me>Zaka__, your user has to be in the group netdev
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15:31<gw>please help ... I need assistance mounting a scsi drive on a second controller
15:31<gw>and it has been years since I used IRC anything
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16:02<maclink>Hi all
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16:03<maclink>how-to the configuration with exim4 to send mails by gmail.com for example
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16:05<AbsintheSyringe>maclink, once you enabled it in your account, http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=78799
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16:06<maclink>AbsintheSyringe, ok are ready
16:06<AbsintheSyringe>maclink, huh?
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16:10<vook>I've had about enough of Fortune MOTD.
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16:15<vook>Far too often, it is all too true and blunt. "You attempt things that you do not even plan because of your extreme stupidity" -or- "you prefer the company of the opposite sex but you are well liked by your own". wtf.
16:15<vook>back to topic though...
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16:22<oPen_syLar>jajaja
16:22<oPen_syLar>creo que se te olvido el /
16:22<oPen_syLar>jojojo
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16:32<Guest2203>networking question here: how do i connect wifi and wired at same time?
16:32<Guest2203>i head you can if they on different subnets
16:33<Guest2203>anybody has experience or tried it?
16:33<petemc>!split access
16:33<dpkg>it has been said that split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
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16:34<sime>will you gain in speed using both^
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16:36<Guest2203>im not looking for speed. 1 connected to home server, 1 to wifi network {neighbors}
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16:38<Guest2203>ok, it looks and sound easy on paper; imma try it out
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16:40<Guest2203>now the problem is gonna be how to specify which network interface to use in browser
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16:42<EmleyMoor>If I have an i386 machine running etch and I want to build an amd64 machine that is running lenny but otherwise similar, is it reasonable and possible to transfer my package list over for installing?
16:45<vook>Guest2203: for something this basic, it may just be better to enable both networks, set the default gw to the neighbors wifi (for shame), and then place the ip addresses of your local servers in your /etc/hosts file. Both networks will be able to be contacted either way if you use the ip address specifically (unless the scheme is the same, in which case you'd just set up your local network to a different private subnet)
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16:48<Guest2203>ok, thats wat i needed. I have to change the default ip scheme in my route- always conicides with my neighbors dhcp
16:48<vook>EmleyMoor: yeah - on the etch machine you can just create a list of the installed pachages, and then create a script on the new machine to install those packages.
16:48<Guest2203>arigato
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16:53<vook>EmleyMoor: or you can use synaptic :) it's much easier
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16:57<Aleric>I read here that sawfish is the default window manager of gnome, is that true?
16:57<dmoerner>Aleric, metacity is the default window manager of gnome, as far as i know
16:57<Aleric>http://xwinman.org/sawfish.php
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16:58<avu_>Aleric, that hasn't been true in a long time
16:58<avu_>Aleric, sawfish once was the gnome default WM though
16:58<avu_>few years back
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16:58<Aleric>Ok, so they switched from sawfish to metacity? Not the other way around
16:58<avu>yes
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16:59<Aleric>I want to use another WM than metacity though... it has too many multi-head bugs.
16:59<Aleric>But I can't decide on which :/
16:59<EmleyMoor>The whole idea is that the new machine is to replace the old one
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16:59<Aleric>Does the WM have anything to do with themes? I mean - if I change WM will my windows look different?
17:00<avu>Aleric, yes
17:00<Aleric>:(
17:00<avu>Aleric, the WM does the window decorations
17:00<Aleric>What is the default WM of KDE?
17:00<avu>kwm
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17:00<Aleric>I suppose I'll switch back to KDE then...
17:01<Aleric>I can't even play UT2004 now, because metacity refuses to open the application on the right monitor :/
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17:04<abrotman>there are like 200 freaking window managers
17:04<stevecotton>I use a separate user and X server for UT2004 - I think it allows arbitary access to local files.
17:04<abrotman>i use sawfish here .. works well for me
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17:04<Aleric>How can I switch to sawfish?
17:04<hellcattrav>Hiya all.
17:06<hellcattrav>I was wondering, in ubuntu, it uses synaptic to tell you when there are udates and such(i use gnome)...is there a way I can get all these graphic interfaces to use aptitude? I have heard that this is better then apt-get for removal of packages that one wouldn't use any longer?
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17:09<abrotman>hellcattrav: in etch or lenny?
17:09<abrotman>Aleric: install it .. killall metacity && sawfish
17:10<hellcattrav>I'm using ubuntu...should I go there and ask them?
17:10<stevecotton>Aleric: depends, first you have to work out which process will end your xsession when you kill it.
17:10<stevecotton>Aleric: but generally, windowmanager --replace
17:10<Aleric>sawfish doesn't have a --replace :/
17:10<hellcattrav>I wasn't sure if my question was general or not, or if it has merit-- should I try to get it to use aptitude? or just have it work the way it is and run aptitude form the command line ?
17:11<avu>hellcattrav, yes you should
17:11<avu>hellcattrav, (ask in #ubuntu)
17:11<abrotman>hellcattrav: uh yes
17:11<abrotman>stevecotton: i don't think sawfish has that option
17:11<stevecotton>:(
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17:11<abrotman>killall metacity && sawfish should work
17:11<dmoerner>hellcattrav, you can't just get synaptic to use the aptitude backend: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349220
17:13<Aleric>Ugh...
17:13<Aleric>I started sawfish - but it's 100 times worse :/
17:13<abrotman>really?
17:13*abrotman hugs sawfish
17:15<Aleric>I have no panel anymore, I can't switch desktops, it doesn't allow me to move even full maximized windows to another monitor (metacity only didn't allow uni-directional horizontally maximized windows to be moved), and Alt-TAB rotates through EVERYTHING (which is way too much) without showing an overview that I select from.
17:15<Aleric>Um - so, running gnome. Where is my panel?
17:16<dmoerner>!perfect
17:16<dpkg>There is no such thing as absolute perfection. Perfection is completely subjective. [with the possible exception of Debian.] See Debian.
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17:16<upsilon>is the panel a metacity thing?
17:16<avu>no.
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17:16<avu>the program is called gnome-panel. kill it and start it anew maybe, Aleric.
17:17<chealer>hellcattrav: aptitude is an APT front-end
17:17<dmoerner>sawfish is pretty nice actually
17:18<Aleric>Ok, that worked. How can I get my multiple desktops back?
17:18<dmoerner>Aleric, middle click and insert a new desktop
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17:18<dinar>hello
17:18<Jedee>hello
17:19<erKURITA>hello
17:19<dinar>what is in ubuntu that debian would not make (want not)
17:19<Ogden>hello
17:19<Ogden>^^
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17:19<abrotman>dinar: ask #ubuntu
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17:19<hellcattrav>chealer, ok but synaptic is a nice pretty graphic frontend for that right?
17:19<hellcattrav>so can I make synaptic use aptitude?
17:20<avu>hellcattrav, synaptic also is an APT front-end
17:20<dmoerner>dinar, non dfsg free software
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17:20<avu>hellcattrav, just like aptitude
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17:20<avu>hellcattrav, so, I guess the answer to your question is 'no'
17:20<chealer>hellcattrav: no, aptitude and synaptic are both APT front-ends. they have the same role.
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17:20<dmoerner>hellcattrav, i sent you a link that helps explain why
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17:22<hellcattrav>Ok...erm but apt is at the command line right? and synaptic is at the desktop?
17:22<Aleric>dmoerner: Is it possible to give the workspaces a name? Now they are called 'workspace 1', 'workspace 2' etc :/
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17:23<dmoerner>Aleric, middle click -> customize -> workspaces -> add
17:23<dmoerner>hellcattrav, yes.
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17:25<jum>good evening, is it possible to switch to the desktop while playing a game? I didnt figure it out yet....
17:25<erKURITA>alt+tab ?
17:25<erKURITA>dinar avant
17:26<dinar>разделы нашего архива «contrib» и «non-free»
17:26<avu>jum, your safest bet is to go to a vterm with Ctrl+Alt+F1 for example, that always works
17:26<dinar>also in ubuntu separete repositories
17:26<erKURITA>!ru
17:26<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
17:26<dinar>what is avant?
17:26<erKURITA>er, not avant
17:26<erKURITA>it's something else
17:27<chealer>hellcattrav: no, apt (lowercase) is the package that contains APT (uppercase, the library) and apt-get. only apt-get is at the command line.
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17:27<dinar>free and non free also in ubuntu and same in debian
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17:28<abrotman>ubuntu talk in #ubuntu please
17:28<jum>avu, so there is no "normal" way to switch to the desktop?
17:28<dmoerner>jum, alt+ctrl+D is the default show desktop key but the game but steal it
17:28<dmoerner>s/but/might
17:29<dinar>debian's graphic installer looked bad i think because it is red.
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17:31<erKURITA>dinar yeah, it's avant
17:31<erKURITA>avant is a docking bar
17:31<jum>hmm okay can you avoid that?
17:32<erKURITA>http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/+
17:32<erKURITA>http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/ *
17:32<jum>@dmoerner
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17:32<dmoerner>jum, it depends on the game. i don't know exactly
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17:35<jum>dmoerner okay no general way, but what I ask me: is this a bug or a feature?
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17:36<dmoerner>jum, it's considered a feature by most games i think. they want you to have maximum choices available for hotkeys
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17:41<dinar>erKURITA, why you have said "avant"?
17:41<dinar>(it is GPL)
17:41<jum>dmoerner, but i dont think that a game needs so much hotkeys so that there isnt free only one hotkey for "switch easily to desktop"
17:41<dinar>(so not about fgsf)
17:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 327] by debhelper
17:42<dinar>dfsg
17:42<erKURITA>dinar it's not in Debian
17:42<avu>yes it is.
17:42<jum>dmoerner, i think i will complain :)
17:42<dmoerner>jum, take it up with the developers :)
17:42<erKURITA>avu probably in SID
17:42<dmoerner>erKURITA, it's in sid at least
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17:42<erKURITA>but it's not in testing
17:42<dinar>it is not
17:42<dmoerner>testing as well: avant-window-navigator | 0.2.6-7 | testing | source, alpha, amd64, arm, armel, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
17:43<jum>dmoerner, yes i will :)
17:43<avu>erKURITA, yes it is
17:43<dmoerner>rmadison to the rescue
17:43<dinar>i mistakenly pressed "enter"
17:43<erKURITA>a'ight
17:43<erKURITA>brb, shower
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17:44<jum>but avu you said something about going into a vterm
17:44<jum>avu, when im there what shall i do?
17:44<avu>jum, yes, Ctrl+Alt+F1
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17:44<tcc>tried everything so far to change my screen resolution...can someone help please
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17:44<avu>jum, well, do what you wanted to do?
17:45<dinar>thanks
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17:45<abrotman>tcc: driver/card?
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17:45<avu>jum, you probably had some reason to want to get out of the game for a while? :)
17:46<tcc>abrotman:card is ATI,not quite sure which driver,lemme check again
17:47<jum>avu, okay now i understand your sentence :D i thought you want to say that there is a console command to minimize the game
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17:51<tcc>abrotman:heres me card,fairly new to ubuntu so how do i see which driver I have? ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PD/PRO TMDS
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17:52<abrotman>tcc: start by asking #ubuntu
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17:53<avu>we should just have the bots first insult than kick people using the u-word in here
17:53*avu ducks
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17:55<Aleric>abrotman: sawfish is burrying my panel, and the taskbar with the window icons, under other windows :/ How can I make them stay on top at all times?
17:55<Aleric>That is... they should be raised when the mouse enters them - and the windows shouldn't be allowed to occupy the upper and lower pixel of the screen.
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17:56<abrotman>Aleric: maximize the windows? there's a sawfish config tool
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17:57<Aleric>I know I found that.
17:57<Aleric>You aren't using gnome I suppose?
17:58<MotoHoss>hmm are the mailing lists having a problem today? I just got a 'delayed message' from my isp :451 4.4.1 reply: read error from liszt.debian.org. <debian-user@lists.debian.org>... Deferred: Connection timed out with liszt.debian.org.
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17:58<Aleric>Cause the windows just totally cover the panel - there is no way to get to it :/ (I use auto hide, which makes the panel just 1 pixel high).
17:58<Aleric>At the very least the panel should always be at the top (raised)
17:59<abrotman>Aleric: i am ..
17:59<abrotman>Aleric: but it only covers the panels/float if they aren't maximized i suppose .. otherwise they should be able tocover the panel
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18:00<Aleric>abrotman: If I move my mouse to the top of the screen, I just ALWAYS want the panel to appear...
18:00<abrotman>uh.. no idea .. never tried to do that
18:01<Aleric>Now the panel doesn't even know that I'm there (another window is over the top pixel) or it slides down by UNDER another window...
18:01<Aleric>Are you using auto-hide?
18:01<abrotman>for the panels? no
18:01<enouf>oh the GUI horror
18:02<enouf>just watching others describe it in such detail makes me break out in hives
18:02<Aleric>Hmm, this is a lot more poor than the job that metacity does :(
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18:03<enouf>Aleric: ever hear the term "One's man trash is another man's treasure" ?
18:03<abrotman>up to you .... use whatever you want
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18:03<enouf>Aleric: you got the trash this time - now, kick it to the curb and move on :-P
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18:03<Aleric>It seems that if you maximize a window, it takes the panel into account - but it seems to think that the taskbar is always unhidden (it stays away from the bottom), even if i use auto-hide.
18:04<enouf>Aleric: see xwinman.org? been thinking about a new one myself - maybe AfterStep even O_o
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18:05<Aleric>enouf: It seems sawfish is very configurable. If I give up this quick, I'll probably not like any wm. I have to make sure it's a bug. Hell, I have written patches for metacity to fix every probably I ran into! That far I want to go to give it a chance.
18:06<Aleric>Unfortunately, the maintainers of metacity don't use multi-head and they don't use partial maximization and didn't see why they should put time into reviewing my patches therefore.
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18:07<Aleric>After more than two years of waiting (and poking them) I give up on metacity. I'm afraid I can't write patches for sawfish though.. I don't know lisp.
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18:08<enouf>ya know, i understand your sentitment, and i applaud you loudly for submitting patches ... and i even don't think it's a good idea to give up on one for another so quick, especially when it's new-to-me, but i've always end up disappointed, so .. just consider me .. a pragmatist ;-)
18:09<bighornram>hi in order to have gnome reset time it wants ntp. this wouldn't be the server would it cause i need to connect to an ntp server correct?
18:09<Aleric>enouf: I just need the panel to be on top at all times :/
18:10<enouf>Aleric: it's easy to make mplayer do that ;-)
18:10<Aleric>But I can't tell it that because it has no window menu button: it has no window decorations!
18:10*enouf wants to roflmao, but hold back
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18:13<abrotman>Aleric: then something is wrong
18:14<enouf>Aleric: maybe (and i'm guessing, i never use gnome), but maybe restart your gnome session, run update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and set sawfish as default?
18:15<enouf>gconftool2 ? ..
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18:17<Aleric>brb
18:18<Aleric>um
18:18<Aleric>How am I supposed to log out of X now?
18:19<Aleric>That used to be right-click on the desktop and then choose Logout.
18:19<abrotman>ctrl-alt-bksp ?
18:19<abrotman>gnome has a logout menu
18:19<Aleric>That just kills X, a bit rough
18:19<abrotman>also see middle-click
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18:30<enouf>heh, he thinks he has it tough .. i'm trying to figure out how to play ShockFlashMonkeyJackAss crap without using a ShockYourAssFlash Player .. just look at this crap i gotta deal with; http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/functions/javascript/swfobject2.js <-- that's a script (yes, see the .js?), i view it in source/raw form
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18:33<bighornram>what command do i use to locate the device of a usb port with a device plugged into it?
18:33<rickbot>lsusb
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18:33<bighornram>that gives me like device 001 etc, but how do I learn /dev/usbdivice?
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18:39<enouf>bighornram: dmesg, lshal, udevinfo, udevmonitor, /var/log/messages, etc
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18:50<upsilon2>how do I find the device number of a cd drive?
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18:54<abrotman>upsilon2: the what?
18:55<TonyTone17>does anyone know how to download ftp files with curl
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18:55<abrotman>curl ftp://host/path/to/file ?
18:55<upsilon2>in the config for burn it has 'device: 0,0,0' and that doesn't work
18:56<upsilon2>so I need to find what it should be
18:56<abrotman>wodim -scanbus ?
18:57<upsilon2>thanks
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19:00<ia2k>anyone feel like helping me get my mic working?
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19:01<ia2k>please
19:02<TonyTone17>abrotman: thank you. is there anyway to get a directory or use wildcards?
19:02<abrotman>maybe with ncftp .. not sure
19:02<TonyTone17>k thanks
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19:04<tony_>hey guys, for already a few days i keep getting the following crap
19:04<tony_>Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
19:05<tony_>whats going on?
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19:06<abrotman>!mirrors
19:06<dpkg>debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
19:06<abrotman>try a new mirror
19:06<abrotman>like the GA tech one
19:07<tony_>ok
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19:11<tony_>abrotman: just making sure, i can use prefix for other countries, except security
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19:11<abrotman>right ..
19:11<tony_>thanks
19:12<ia2k>can someone help me get my mic working please!
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19:16<T_X>hi there. I have an Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, so should I use the linux-image-...-amd64 instead of 686? or does it make no difference?
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19:16<abrotman>T_X: how much RAM?
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19:17<T_X>2gb
19:17<T_X>so doesnt matter?
19:17<T_X>only for 3+?
19:18<abrotman>if it's for a desktop .. really won't matter
19:18<T_X>but 686 is not slower than amd64, is it?
19:18<abrotman>not enough that you'd notice
19:18<T_X>hmm, ok
19:19<T_X>and what about virtual machines, are they running noticeable faster on amd64?
19:19<abrotman>i'd guess that depends on your vm hosting software
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19:19<T_X>anyway, I have installed both kernels now, so are there any disadvantages in using amd64?
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19:20<T_X>I mean, I can just uninstall the 686-kernel-image, can't I?
19:20<abrotman>just software that comes in 32bit binary form only that has kernel modules
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19:21<T_X>but this sounds more like a problem for windows-apps, right?
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19:22<T_X>with opensource sotfware, there should be an equal interest in having 32 and 64bit versions, shouldn't there?
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19:24<upsilon2>I've heard that installing flash can be a pain on 64bit
19:24<abrotman>he has 32bit userland
19:24<abrotman>T_X: for open source stuff there is .. but not everything is open source
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19:42<T_X>oki, doki, thx, bye
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20:02<Rollout>question: I have a gateway P172FX, and want to dual boot the existing vista, and Debian on it . However I can find no clue on if all the drivers are available in linux for this model. Does anyone know? Already checked linux-laptop....
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20:03<abrotman>Rollout: and you didn't find any information?
20:03<Rollout>Not as of yet
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20:05<abrotman>google "<model> lspci" ?
20:05<dargol>sudo aptituz
20:05<dargol>sorry
20:06<Rollout>I googled it and also searched linux-laptop, found nothing. I am still searching, figured I would check here first...
20:06<Rollout>ok will try that thank you
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20:06<abrotman>but i didn't find anything
20:06<Rollout>no results found
20:07<dmoerner>if we could figure out the chipset from the website or something that would useful
20:07<abrotman>Rollout: you'd have to give us the specs .. maybe we could help you a bit
20:07<abrotman>Rollout: at least some basics .. like foo wifi, bar video, etc
20:07<Rollout>well.... it is a stock p172fx, let me find the site with all the specs. I just got it yesterday
20:07<dmoerner>http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/2008/GodzillaFX/2906039R/2906039Rcl4.shtml
20:08<Rollout>Gateway p172fx
20:08<Rollout>yeah
20:08<abrotman>OH .. it has a battery!!!
20:08<dmoerner>realtek ethernet should work fine,
20:08<dmoerner>oh its just an ich8m
20:08<dmoerner>intel chipset
20:08<dmoerner>this should work fine
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20:08<Rollout>3 gigs ram, nvidia gforce 8800m
20:09<abrotman>looks pretty basic actually
20:09<abrotman>sorry :)
20:09<abrotman>i think the nvidia stuff in etch may not work with an 8xxx
20:09<Rollout>so what should I install? Will it have all the drivers? Might be basic but I love the 17"screen and I got it 1 month old for 300 bucks
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20:10<Rollout>so what would you say I should go with ? Given the wireless card,vid card, etc....
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20:11<kevin>In Etch, do I need the nvidia kernel common or legacy for a 96xx card?
20:11<dmoerner>what is the wireless card? the website just says "form-factor mini-pci"
20:11<dmoerner>keith80403, common, if 96xx is supported
20:11<abrotman>Network
20:11<abrotman> arrow6008038R - Integrated Realtek 802.11b/g Wireless Networking (CRU/EURP)
20:11<abrotman>arrow?
20:12<dmoerner>legacy is for older than geforcefx 5200
20:12<abrotman>yay cut and paste that tries to outsmart me :)
20:12<Rollout>dmoerner realtek rtl8187b
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20:13<dmoerner>Rollout, works in ubuntu 2.6.24 with patched driver (http://danmarner.blogspot.com/2008/01/rtl8187b-linux-native-driver-works-on.html) so it would probably work in lenny
20:13<dmoerner>kevin that message for keith something something above was for you. sorry
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20:14<abrotman>i doubt the 9xxx is supported
20:14<Rollout>dmoerner will lenny deal with my vid card? the nvidia gforce 8800m ?
20:14<dmoerner>!nvidia_lenny
20:14<dpkg>1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx
20:14<dmoerner>with a bit of work it will
20:15<Aleric>I wanted to go back to metacity again... but I couldn't kill sawfish - it just KEPT running. Whether I killed it, kill -9, middle-click --> Quit, set metacity are default manager with update-alternatives or do that in the login screen of gdm...
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20:15<Aleric>So, I totally purged sawfish
20:15<Aleric>Then I ran again: sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and set metacity again (it already was)
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20:16<Aleric>but everything is changed :/
20:16<Rollouts>sorry got cut off, thanks for all your help
20:16<Rollouts>be back soon
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20:16<Aleric>"Linux on the desktop" is not going to happen for a long long time...
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20:25<abrotman>Aleric: says you .. works fine here
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20:33<MotoHoss>only thing missing here is "myportal" in galeon... :( other than that I am quite a happy debianer
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21:06<deco>someone repository lenny ?
21:07<interbird>?
21:07<EagleScreen>???
21:07<deco>i need repository
21:07<EagleScreen>deco what do u mean?
21:08<interbird>you know what a repository is ?
21:08<deco>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free like this
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21:09<EagleScreen>well, do u know how to use it?
21:09<interbird>and you want to add that link ?
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21:10<interbird>edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root and add your link and then apt-get update
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21:11<lormot>echo "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free">> /etc/apt/sources.list
21:11<deco>do u have more link for lenny?
21:11<interbird>why?
21:11<EagleScreen>yes
21:12<EagleScreen>there are morel inks for lenny
21:12<EagleScreen>wait...
21:12<deco>ok !! thank eagle!!
21:12<deco>i have three
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21:13<deco>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
21:13<deco>deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
21:13<deco>deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
21:13<deco>I need more?
21:13<dmoerner>deco, you only need one
21:13<EagleScreen>here you have all mainly needed http://paste.ubuntu.com/38370/
21:14<interbird>maybe you need less; to many repositories does not constitute a "good" system...
21:15<deco>this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/38370/
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21:15<deco>yes interbird but my problem is i dont have flash!!
21:15<marcelo__>hi
21:16<dmoerner>!flash lenny
21:16<dmoerner>!flash
21:16<dpkg>i guess flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
21:16<marcelo__>apt-get
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21:16<interbird>a repository is like a "library"; some are default, others can be propriatery; i suggest you first understand what a repository is...
21:16<marcelo__>sudo apt-get install oii pra vcs
21:16<dmoerner>!tell deco -about adobe flash testing
21:16<deco>flash to see for examples youtube videos :s
21:17<marcelo__>ubuntu da pra ver a terra tv?
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21:17<abrotman>marcelo__: #ubuntu
21:17<interbird>deco: try: apt-get install gnash
21:17<EagleScreen>you have flashplayer-mozilla in deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main
21:17<marcelo__>sim
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21:19<deco>EagleScreen, source.list --> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main :) go...
21:20<EagleScreen>did u added that line yet?
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21:20<deco>ok!
21:20<deco>now?
21:21<EagleScreen>after it, run as root: aptitude update to refresh the package list
21:21<interbird>flash is (like silverlight) a proprierety technology; while there are several (superior) techniques to stream audio & video, some manufactures of hard/software spend big bucks to propagate other techniques.
21:24<interbird>using "silverlight" on xp i saw no enhancement towards any "good-old" video streaming method.
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21:24<deco>EagleScreen, NO_PUBKEY
21:25<deco>no avaible
21:25<EagleScreen>yes, it is normally
21:25<deco>really?
21:25<EagleScreen>really
21:25<EagleScreen>install debian-multimedia-keyring to fix that problem
21:26<EagleScreen>and also flashplayer-mozilla
21:26<EagleScreen>i ma watching youtube now with that plugin
21:26<EagleScreen>it has worked for me
21:27<EagleScreen>i am using iceweasel
21:27<deco>apt-get install debian-multimedio-keyring and flashplayer-mozilla then
21:27<deco>me either, iceweasel
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21:28<EagleScreen>yes
21:28<EagleScreen>aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring flashplayer-mozilla
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21:29<deco>basic :)
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21:32<deco>install but i can not see the videos!!! :(
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21:33<deco>get the latest Flash player :(
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21:33<interbird>so, anyone can follow the Olympic Games without this NAG to install silverlight ? How can it be that this "new" technology replaced the good-old mpg streaming so quickly ?
21:33<EagleScreen>you must restart iceweasel
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21:35<deco>yes but nothing!!
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21:36<deco>maybe one reboot, i dont think so!
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21:38<ghvg>@find dragonlance
21:38<interbird>maybe a download window is still open; also close that one...
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21:39<interbird>ps -ef|grep icewaesel should return no results
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21:40<deco>there isnt!! :@
21:40<lormot>abrotman
21:40<deco>before was automatic!!
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21:40<abrotman>uh hi?
21:41<EagleScreen>deco is not working the plugin?
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21:44<interbird>deco: did you check /usr/... for the plugin to be present?
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21:44<interbird>deco: did you check /usr/... for the plugin to be present?
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21:46<deco>in /usr/lib/mozilla ... ?
21:46<EagleScreen>are you usre the package was installed correctly?
21:46<EagleScreen>what version of iceweasel do u use?
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21:47<interbird>deco: good start; is there a symlink there or not?
21:47<deco>well in epiphany there is not problem
21:47<deco>:)
21:48<deco>icewaesel v 3.0.1
21:49<interbird>deco: does about:plugins give you any more info in iceweasel ?
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21:49<deco>ok
21:51<interbird>if the flash-plugin is not listed it's propably not loaded because it's not in the correct location. (don't know in what way you installed flash-support)
21:51<deco>see
21:51<deco>:/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins # pwd/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
21:51<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How do I tunnel HTTP over SSH?
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21:53<deco>in iceweasel plugins ----> libflashplayer.so -> ../../mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
21:53<interbird>Ghostlydeath|Laptop: checkout the -L parameters and port-forwarding in ssh (man ssh) if this is what you want\
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21:54<bighornram>I'm unable to double click then drag anything in gnome, could do it in previously installed versions of lenny, upgrades have broken this functionality. Anyone know how to fix it?
21:55<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>wow thanks alot interbird
21:55<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>w3m over SSH was murdering me
21:56<interbird>bighornram: if you upgraded, better restart X/Gnome or reboot completly; did you tray that ?
21:57<qq>double click , just open things , not select ...
21:57<bighornram>interbird: oh this has been this way for weeks at least.... In fact on the same machine I have since done a re0install (netinstall) and the problem is still present.
21:57<bighornram>interbird: just haven't tried to fix it
21:58<bighornram>I can hold the L button with my left hand and drag with the touchpad and it works, but used to be able to double tap and drag on teh second tap. that is broken
21:59<bighornram>is a dell xps running lenny amd64
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22:00<Web-sidux49>hallo,noch wer da
22:00<interbird>bighornram: lost you; dunno what you try to say; gnome problem? maybe mouse-settings?
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22:01<interbird>!de
22:01<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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22:03<bighornram>interbird: this is a laptop with a touchpad, used to be able to doubletap on the touchpad, draging on the second tap to for example drag an icon accross the desktop. Now double tap doesn't "grab" the icon to drag it anymore. I still can do the double tap on the left button with my left hand while then draging on the touchpad to move the icon.
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22:03<interbird>bighornram: what gui? gnome or kde or ?
22:04<bighornram>interbird: is gnome
22:05<interbird>bighornram: did you install synaptics maybe (duuno but my synaptics touch-pad always worked without it) ?
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22:06<bighornram>this is an amd64 machine, I also have a i386 laptop (not the same laptop) that machine still works..... that might be an idea. hmm I'll try that.
22:06<interbird>bighornram: touchpad-settings are maybe also in /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- maybe you have an old version -- compare them...
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22:07<bighornram>interbird: synaptic is already the newest version.
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22:10<interbird>bighornram: synaptics -- mind the "s" -- not "synaptic" -- the package manager -- my experience is that "synapticS" is not needed -- maybe you installed it...
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22:11<interbird>on accident.
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22:12<bighornram>did apt-get install synaptic and have newest version
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22:13<bighornram>good eye i did add the s on the previous post here. :P
22:13<interbird>bighornram: i am talking about "synaptics" not "synaptic" -- synaprics is a driver for touchpads -- completely different from the synaptic package-manager
22:14<qq>gsynaptics - configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver of X server
22:14<interbird>apt-get remove synaptics
22:14<interbird>(mind the s !!! )
22:14<interbird>restart X
22:15<bighornram>k brb
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22:16<qq>xserver-xorg-input-synaptics - Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org/XFree86 server
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22:18<interbird>good grep; let's now grep why his touchpad does not work...
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22:19<lormot>is sudo a security risk?
22:19<lormot>...on a multi-user system
22:19<interbird>potentially
22:20<lormot>what if there are no users in the sudoers file?
22:20<qq>remove sudo , than
22:20<interbird>but it's better that to tell everyone the root-password for doing system-stuff...
22:21<lormot>yeah. why not?
22:21<lormot>...but what if i don't want them doing system stuff?
22:21<interbird>then you don't need sudo at all, would you ?
22:22<lormot>guess not, eh?
22:22<lormot>k
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22:23<interbird>so, then you would be "secure"; sudo is a security risk, so if you don't need it you are secure, not?
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22:26<interbird>can i rm /etc/passwd since there is a shadow ?
22:27<abrotman>no
22:28<interbird>can i rm -rf /tmp ?
22:28<abrotman>no
22:28<dmoerner>interbird, you could rm -rf /tmp/*
22:28<abrotman>not a super great plan either
22:29<interbird>dmoerner: rm -rf /tmp works fine, no need to type in those extra chars :-)
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22:30<dmoerner>interbird, you want to keep /tmp. it exists for a reason
22:30<interbird>but the correct answers are: yes & yes
22:30<dmoerner>in most cases though you could temporarily clean it
22:30*abrotman shakes his head
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22:31<interbird>look at your mounts; /tmp is on a tmpfs; it's a ramdisk, true ?
22:31<abrotman>interbird: you shouldn't delete the whole directory .. things live in there that are important to a running system
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22:33<interbird>abrotman: i know, but on reboot /tmp get recreated & remounted; it's not as "persistent" as is was some time ago, when deleting /tmp between reboots would cause trouble...
22:34<abrotman>things live in there for a *running* system
22:34<interbird>true
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22:40<interbird>abrotman,dmoerner: sorry, i was just checking if there were some people to prevent someone from the deleting his or her own system; your replies make me smile :-)
22:40<qq>or, rm -rf / ... :(
22:40<dmoerner>interbird, you should have asked a stranger question then...like why do i have to keep all of these stupic c headers in libc6 on my desktop system?
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22:41<abrotman>qq: don't do that
22:42<qq>sure . i kidding
22:42<abrotman>it's not funny
22:43<interbird>dmoerner: are there really any stupid c headers then ?
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22:44<interbird>actually, it is; funny is just how one lookes at it
22:44<abrotman>it's not funny
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22:45<interbird>not funny is the growing number of people unacquinted with rm
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22:46<abrotman>you apparently don't understand it
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22:46<interbird>why is that ?
22:46<interbird>i understand what you say
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22:50<interbird>abrotman: when there is no room for a "laugh" anymore then i grant you the "not funny" stuff; but while there is i respectfuly disagree with you
22:50*abrotman feeds that to babelfish
22:52<interbird>escape the quotes, otherwise you'll get gibberish
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22:53<qq>well , all this rise that : how to prevert accidentally remove of (base) system at least ?
22:54<qq>s/ at least /(at least )
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22:57<ivonei>hi
22:57<interbird>ho
22:58<ivonei>alguem falar portugues
22:58<qq>!pt
22:58<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
22:58<rodro>!es
22:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:59<ivonei>I would aid
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23:00<interbird>invonei: check the channels given above, you will get help there
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23:01<ivonei>to put an html page in the squid for the work of estaçoes see when blocks
23:02<interbird>ivonei: maybe you would like to install webmin to administer squid
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23:03<newsense>webmins real good!
23:05<ivonei>
23:05<ivonei>I have not already installed and running as squid proxy tranparente ... so i want to know how do I put in html page within squid
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23:06<ivonei>
23:06<ivonei>the type so I blocks the machine into the squid and at the moment appear that I created a page html, appears on the machine that bloquei naum to access the net
23:06<interbird>ivonei: what you are asking is like: "I want to drive a car and I have a wheel..."
23:07<qq>http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/399
23:08<interbird>ivonei: Squid configuration follows an *order* of *rules*; I guess one rule blocks...
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23:09<interbird>ivonei: Install webmin or follow qq's link...
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23:09<ivonei>I will explain .. right and that you do not understand and that ta squido running at me so I blocks. ta sure that computers on the network. and those blocks appear a page I inforamando computer ta blocked
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23:10<interbird>ivonei: how do you administer squid ??
23:11<interbird>ivonei: are you Portuguese ?
23:12<ivonei>yes
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23:12<interbird>!pt
23:12<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
23:12<ivonei>portugues
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23:13<interbird>ivonei: Please ask there and you will be answered in your own language, please.
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23:22<lormot>is it possible to change the version that is reported by ssh or telnet, etc?
23:22<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>What is the OpenVPN CA file and where do I find it?
23:22<interbird>lormot: the version of the os or the program ?
23:22<lormot>the program
23:23<interbird>lormot: so, like to fake an other version ? If it's not in the --help then the only way would be to touch the source and recompile
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23:24<qq>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: apt-cache show openvpn
23:24<interbird>lormot: why would you want to do that ?
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23:33<interbird>bob dylan !
23:34<qq>-- tatotat has left this server (Remote host closed the connection).
23:34<qq>[05:26:52] --> x22 has joined this
23:34<qq>sorry
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23:35<interbird>sorry? you think you can get away just by saying sorry ? :-)
23:37<qq>+ oops
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23:39<qq>+ bye
23:39<interbird>just jokin' qq, like your style...
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23:44<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>libopencryptoki0 is broken
23:44<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>but reinstalling it isn't working
23:44<paul_>buenas necesito ayuda con ubuntu
23:44<paul_>ay alguien disponible para q me ayude
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23:44<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>paul_: irc.freenode.net #ubuntu
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23:45<paul_>ay alguien?? x favor
23:46<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Este canal es sólo para Debian
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23:46<dmoerner>paul_, trata #debian-es on freenode
23:47<simonrvn>he's asking for ubuntu, don't send him to #debian...
23:47<dmoerner>oops
23:47<dmoerner>he left anyway
23:47<GhostlyDeath|Laptop><paul_> buenas necesito ayuda con ubuntu <-- "Please help me with Ubuntu"
23:47<dmoerner>yes i know
23:47<dmoerner>i typed the wrong thing by accident
23:48<dmoerner>typing ubuntu is just so foreign to me
23:48<dmoerner>i probably would have directed him to ubutnu
23:48<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>"Stopping PKCS#11 slot daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript opencryptoki, action "stop" failed."
23:48<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I got a broken package that refuses to be fixed
23:48<lormot>if i have a root terminal open and i try to run certain commands they will return a message that they cannot connect to the X server. but i can run these commands as a regular user.
23:49<simonrvn>duh
23:49<simonrvn>!sux
23:49<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives.. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
23:49<lormot>what would happen if i ran the command from the console as root
23:49<lormot>?
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23:50<simonrvn>would work even less
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