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---Logopened Mon Aug 18 00:00:11 2008
00:00<deco>hi again!
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00:00<deco>help with my wifi
00:00<deco> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
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00:01<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @
00:01<dmoerner>deco, do you use etch?
00:01<deco>do you have firmeware?
00:01<dmoerner>then follow that factoid. firmware is in lenny
00:02<deco>same with etch
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00:12<deco>aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi and dont find the service!
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00:13<gsimmons>deco: You're required to add non-free sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list file, as advised by dpkg.
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00:16<deco>yes !! was installed but ...
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00:17<deco>cant see the wifi or listen network wireless
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00:25<ia2k>anyone know what i need to do to get my mic to work?
00:26<dmoerner>deco, if you "modprobe -r iwl3945 && depmod && modprobe iwl3945" what does dmesg say?
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00:27<deco>ok trying!!
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00:30<deco>dmoener, say nothing
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00:31<deco>there isnt service
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00:33<deco>here demon
00:35<gsimmons>deco: That's the binary regulatory daemon for the old "ipw3945" driver. It isn't required on Lenny due to its use of the iwlwifi driver.
00:36<deco>then i have problem
00:36<deco>Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded. (warning).
00:37<deco>p# iwconfig
00:37<deco>lo no wireless extensions.
00:37<deco>eth0 no wireless extensions
00:37<deco>ok only use iwlwifi
00:40<dmoerner>deco, is this straight debian?
00:41<dmoerner>ipw3945d should not be installed
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00:42<deco>ok its not installed !! dpkg -r ipw3945d !!
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00:44<deco>i need a menu to see the wifi networks!! or i join root@lenny:~#ifconfig wlan0 up
00:44<dmoerner>so what does iwconfig say now
00:44<dmoerner>also, did you reboot after installing the firmware package?
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00:45<deco>p# ifconfig
00:45<deco>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:a0:d1:95:18:22
00:45<deco> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
00:45<deco> inet6 addr: fe80::2a0:d1ff:fe95:1822/64 Scope:Link
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00:48<knoppix_>hay alguien por alla
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00:48<Guest2268>alguien ke este conectado?
00:49<dmoerner>!tell Guest1842 about debian-es
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00:49<Guest2268>speak spanish?
00:49<dmoerner>!tell Guest2268 -about debian-es
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00:50<dmoerner>si, pero solo hay ingles aqui
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00:59<FoxM>Hi. I upgraded ktorrent to see how the KDE4 behave on my machine, but It is too slow. How do I rollback to the previous ktorrent version?
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01:03<FoxM>Ahh ok... forget it I didn look on aptitude first. Doing an 'aptitude search ktorrent' shows that the package named 'ktorrent' is for version 3.1 (kde 4.1), and 'ktorrent2.2' is for the previous version, that works with kde 3.5.
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01:12<mattl>mmm back to using debian after 12 months away.
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02:00<sangi>Hi all.......
02:01<sangi>could anybody tell me the packages needed in debian to compile c
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02:11<suiside>sangi: build-essential will install a complete toolchain for you, including gcc and make
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02:12<sangi>suiside, ok
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02:29<rowdog>is there an easy way to make apt install -dev versions of everything?
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02:43<chihchun>I found there is a security issue in the gallery software in etch, the issue is fixed in sid.
02:43<chihchun>but it's not in lenny yet.
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02:44<chihchun>how but make sure it will be fixed or upgraded before lenny released?
02:46<jm_>are you sure the version in etch is affected?
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02:47<jm_>ahh stupid me, you said lenny - lenny has its own security updates, did you look there?
02:47<jm_>otherwise get it from sid
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02:59<chihchun>jm_: I am just afraid it's not fixed when lenny released
02:59<chihchun>jm_: it's fixed in sid.
02:59<chihchun>jm_: I just check the changelog, it's mark as urgency=high
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03:00<chihchun>jm_: so, I guess it will be handled well.
03:00<jm_>chihchun: it has to be handled manually due to freeze
03:00<chihchun>but it's not marked as RC bug in bts.
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03:00<jm_>packages no longer go from sid to lenny manually AFAIK
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04:01<sybregunne>hi to all
04:03<sybregunne>hi can anyone direct me to where I can get some help. I'm a noob here
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04:06<simonrvn>!tell sybregunne -about ask to ask
04:06<simonrvn>!tell sybregunne -about ask
04:07<sybregunne>sorry what is that again
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04:09<noflash>sybregunne, if you have a debian question, just ask
04:09<sybregunne>oh sorry.
04:11<sybregunne>Okay when I start my X windows and press the ctrl-alt-fn combination and use a console for a while then decide to go back to X by pressing ctrl-alt-F7 my x window shakes
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04:12<sybregunne>I installed debian on an ACER Travelmate laptop my graphics card on board is the problematic ati radeon mobility x700
04:12<sybregunne>i am currently running the proprietary driver downloaded from ati.
04:12<sybregunne>can anyone help me?
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04:12<fantasticmrfox>Hey my NFS mounts keep unmounting, any ideas?
04:13<fantasticmrfox>ok probably disconnecting makes more sense
04:13<fantasticmrfox>ownership turns to ?????? and attributes go ????? as well
04:14<fantasticmrfox>I have to umount, then mount again - but it isn't just one NFS server - so I don't think its the server end
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04:16<simonrvn>try mounting with tcp
04:16<fantasticmrfox>I don't understand
04:17<simonrvn>in fstab, put proto=tcp...
04:18<fantasticmrfox>OK done I'll try it like that for a while
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04:30<sarac>can somebody help
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04:31<simonrvn>just ask...
04:31<sarac>i have debian 4.0 r3
04:31<sarac>i have installed it succesfully
04:32<sarac>but when i want to inst repositories,DVD 1 and DVD2 and DVD3
04:32<sarac>it does nithing,just downloads into cache from dvd binary 3
04:33<simonrvn>comment out the dvd entries in /etc/apt/sources.list
04:33<sarac>whole day,when it finis,it does from begining?
04:34<simonrvn>then make sure you have other entries as well
04:34<sarac>it reckognizes discs i have added them,but it just stucks on dvd 3
04:34<sarac>i have all entries
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04:35<sarac>any other solution?
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04:37<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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05:04<superjet_busy>dpkg: stumpwm is A tiling, keyboard-driven window manager written in common lisp (clisp version) at
05:04<dpkg>superjet_busy: okay
05:04<dpkg>hmm... stumpwm is A tiling, keyboard-driven window manager written in common lisp (clisp version) at
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05:33<spiekey>whats the debian package channel again?
05:34<spiekey>i need some help building my own debian package
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05:47<preston>ive just installed 4.0 r4 and i only have 885 of memory showing?
05:48<preston>out of 2 gigs i have
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05:51<jm_>you need highmem enabled kernel
05:53<preston>forgive me im somewhat new is that in synaptic
05:53<jm_>search for bigmem kernel
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05:55<preston>jm_linux image and headers right
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05:56<preston>and to be sure, which one?
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05:57<jm_>preston: how many are there?
05:58<jm_>maybe just install the same one that you currently have installed with "-bigmem" at the end
05:58<preston>ok that works lol
05:58<preston>ill do that
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06:01<preston>ok jm_ headers and kernel marked am i forgetting anything
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06:07<stephen_>server /
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06:26<QX>some people here ? :D
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08:19<n3wbi3>hello. does anybody know which is the repository to get X Compositing Manager (xcompmgr)?
08:20<semb>Hi. Can some1 help me with little installation problem?
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08:24<n3wbi3>semb: what's the problem? i can try to help ya
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08:34<computeraap>hello, i had 2 kernel panics past week, i want to see what the problem could be but i can't find the kernel panic logs, where art they ;)
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08:37<jm_>in the logs, but not all panics can be logged
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08:38<computeraap>ok there isn't a seperate one, because i couldn't find anything
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08:39<computeraap>it had something to do with SMP as i can remember, are there problems with the amd64 kernel?
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08:41<jm_>no doubt there are some problems ;)
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08:43<computeraap>hehehe touche, would the x86 be a better choice to run?
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08:43<jm_>hard to say, maybe you should capture the panic and google if there's a solution
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08:45<computeraap>yes, but then i have to wait untill it panics again and i don't want that to happen
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08:49<chack-1>j'ai installer un serveur squid dhcp3-server ...
08:49<chack-1>ce qui fait de ce serveur
08:50<chack-1>une passerel par defaut de mon reseau
08:50<chack-1>je souhaite bloqué quelque protocole comme ftp
08:50<chack-1>avec iptables
08:51<dpkg>well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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08:52<Gekz>C'est d'accord.
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08:56<mihkel>is reboot required after initramfs-tools update?
08:57<mihkel>there was: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25-2-686
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09:04<marek_57>Hello there
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09:04<marek_57>Is there anybody out there? ;>
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09:15<mattl>help... i have intel 3945 wireless on lenny (thinkpad x60s) but the wireless keeps dropping out. i also have no network manager icon :)
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09:16<oxyg>i come for the first time
09:16<oxyg>recently i want print a document
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09:16<oxyg>but the printer return an error
09:18<mattl>oxyg: what's the error?
09:18<oxyg>juste error 218
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09:19<mattl>and what printer?
09:19<oxyg>hp laserjet 1600
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09:20<mattl>oxyg: do you have cups installed?
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09:22<oxyg>so i think
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09:38<Lethalman>why i don't see curses with aptitude?
09:38<JRHartley>ncurses ?
09:38<Lethalman>a guy linked a screenshot with aptitude being graphical under the console
09:38<Lethalman>yes ncurses
09:38<Lethalman>aptitude is not working with it, how do i enable it?
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09:39<JRHartley>Lethalman: i thought you meant you couldn't find "curses", the package ...
09:39<jurg>simply type "aptitude" should give you graphical in console.
09:39<Lethalman>it doesn't
09:39<petemc>what does it do?
09:39<Lethalman>like apt-get
09:40<Lethalman>it shows up like apt-get
09:40<petemc>after typing aptitude and hitting enter, what do you see, exactly?
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09:41<Lethalman>petemc, uh i see the GUI :S
09:41<Lethalman>never done it :S
09:41<Lethalman>i always used options
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09:47<kei>i need help
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09:48<kei>you can tell me what i write in "terminal" to put i new dvd in "depot"
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09:52<luxh>you mean to open the tray?
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10:10<Lin>there is a better place to talk about apt-cacher-ng?
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10:34<igormorgado>anyone here has deployed apt-cacher-ng with sucess? I havent any success, my apt-cacher-ng is reporting do not know about repositories. But I have set them in remap. Any help is welcome.
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10:43<dargol>igormorgado, I have
10:44<dargol>i did not have to touch the remap for oficial deb repos
10:44<dargol>just sources.list and maybe backends.debian
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10:45<igormorgado>dargol: how do you set your sources.lists. What do you add to backends.debian (mine is empty).
10:45<igormorgado>I want to set that way: deb stable main contrib non-free
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10:46<igormorgado>I would able to do it in apt-cacher.
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10:46<dargol>yes you could
10:46<dargol>but you need a back end :)
10:47<dargol>the back end gets set at install time from your sources.list but you can do it yourselvf
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10:48<igormorgado>dargol: in manpage says: if i do not set a backend it will fetch from server set on remap file (or im wrong)
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10:48<igormorgado>can you show me your backends.debian file?
10:49<dargol>igormorgado, just add a line like in backends.debian
10:49<igormorgado>ok .. will try
10:50<dargol>and the remap works (with no backend) but for soruces.list in the format http://proox_ip:port/debianmirror/debian
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10:52<igormorgado>dargol: now it worked =D ty. I will try to understand this better.
10:54<igormorgado>nice, apt-cacher-ng use the same structure as debian repositories, apt-cacher had this flaw.
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10:56<dargol>igormorgado, np
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10:57<ia2k>Anyone in here have an Asus L1n64-SLI WS Motherboard?
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11:01<ia2k>well, anyone have problems getting there mic to work with etch?
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11:03<ia2k>wow this room is really dead
11:04<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
11:05<luxh>a common problem with microphones are that you forget to unmute them
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11:06<ia2k>i wish that was the problem here
11:08<ia2k>and i wasnt asking if anyone uses i was asking if anyone had, so i could find out if they had problems getting there mic to work
11:08<Wezz6400>I was trying to install shorewall, dnsmasq, wpasupplicant and sudo yesterday and aptitude wanted to install libx11. Since it's a server I didn't expect any xserv libraries to be needed. I checked the dependencies and couldn't find anything, though I didn't check the dependencies dependencies (is this even needed?). Are these libraries really needed or is it not normal?
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11:09<b52laptop>ppl could i reinstall my system without that my home directory could be touch ?
11:10<Aleric>Where can I see the type number of my harddisks? :/
11:10<luxh>b52laptop: do you have a separate /home partition, yes
11:10<b52laptop>aie no :(
11:10<b52laptop>in fact it's separated
11:11<b52laptop>but inside /dev/hdb2
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11:12<luxh>what do you mean?
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11:15<b52laptop>grr must go out brb
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11:15<luxh>bye :-)
11:16<Wezz6400>does anyone know what the deal is about those xserv libraries? I've been searching on google but I couldn't find anything useful related to servers (remarkeble huh ;))
11:17<chattr>Wezz6400, which of those packages requires libx11 ?
11:17<Aleric>How can I see what the type/brand of my harddisks are?
11:18<Wezz6400>chattr I looked them up on and the dependencies do not mention libx11
11:18<Wezz6400>however aptitude does insist on installing it
11:18<chattr>that's what I did and that's what I saw
11:19<chattr>try apt-get instead ?
11:19<Wezz6400>should've thought about that :X
11:19<Aleric>Hmm, I found it WDC WD740ADFD-00NLR1
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11:26<Wezz6400>apt-get worked fine, thanks chattr :)
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11:34<TMcTrain>can somebody help me with >> SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument << ?
11:35<TMcTrain>I've copied my system from one PC to another and thats the error message i got, everyting is equal, exept the MAC-Adresses from these two PCs.
11:35<jazz>it looks like an invalid action on a socket
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11:36<TMcTrain>I know I had to reset/delete a storred hardware adress in some configuration file but I've forgotten which file i had to edit, does anybody know wich file this is?
11:36<jazz>does the network interface have the same name on your Pcs ?
11:36<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
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11:38<avu> /msg dpkg help
11:38<Wezz6400>you fail :+
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11:49<TMcTrain>thanks dpkg
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11:50<TMcTrain>i changed the eth0 to eth1 to but the error ist still there
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11:53<erKURITA><jazz> does the network interface have the same name on your Pcs ? <= you, me and everyone who has an ethernet card has, at least, an eth0 interface
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11:54<jazz>indeed. it either could be wirless interface which have different name along the manufacturer
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11:55<jazz>TMcTrain, if your concern is about eth0, forget about my comment
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12:00<TMcTrain>ok, the situation, I've to identical PCs! I installed Debian (2.6.18-5-486) one one of them, after konfiguration I mirrored the Partitions to a second Harddrive for the other PC, finally everyting works fine, but I got this weired message from the network while trying to set up the default route
12:01<angasule>TMcTrain: are you using static IPs and didn't change the IP for the second one?
12:02<TMcTrain>yes, I ve stativ IPs but theres only one of the two PC connected to the network
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12:03<angasule>which computer is on the network? the one you installed debian on, or the one to which you mirrored it?
12:04<TMcTrain>the one with the mirrored
12:04<TMcTrain>the other one is turned off
12:04<angasule>if you use the other one, it works fine with networking?
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12:07<Gingetsuryuu>I'm having trouble setting kde's resolutions. The xorg file contains 1280x800, but my display options don't...
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12:09<cahoot>xrandr -q?
12:10<Gingetsuryuu>Where else can I check for the resolution stuff?
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12:11<cahoot>xrandr -q reports what Gingetsuryuu ?
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12:22<TMcTrain>ok, it seems i had to install again to get a fully functionable networkinterface?
12:23<fxiny>why ?
12:23<jazz>if you had the default root yourself, you also get the same error msg?
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12:24<jazz>monday's end ... always hard
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12:27<fxiny>TMcTrain: just come in . what's the command ? what's the error ?
12:28<TMcTrain>mirrored system
12:28<TMcTrain>boot up the system
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12:28<TMcTrain>eth0 was assigned, got the static IP
12:28<TMcTrain>but a wrong default gateway
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12:29<fxiny>TMcTrain: check edit /etc/netwoerking/interfaces
12:29<TMcTrain>any change with route got an Error with SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
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12:30<fxiny> /etc/network*
12:30<fxiny>route add default gw ?
12:30<TMcTrain>done correct settings, worked fine on the source system
12:30<fxiny>is the eth up ?
12:30<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
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12:32<TMcTrain>dpkg, I found the file, deleted the settings and after restart the network adapter was mapped as eth0 with the same MAC as before
12:32<dpkg>TMcTrain: You are moron #1
12:32<TMcTrain>thanks! :-)
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12:32<fxiny>!dpkg rulez
12:32<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
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12:34<fxiny>TMcTrain: restarting how ? /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
12:34<TMcTrain>i googled the error message and got tousands of hits but everyone asks for help and no one could offer help!
12:34<TMcTrain>init 6
12:35<Zathras>hi. I see in lenny repos that there is a DOM XML mod for php4 but how about PHP5 ?
12:35<fxiny>TMcTrain: you forgot route del route add ?
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12:37<Zathras>hmm. sorry. got to go
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12:42<jazz>TMcTrain, no other idea plus got to go too .... sorry
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12:43<TMcTrain>i make an fres installation and report on the next mirror test
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13:10<eliteforce>what was that fast sid backport factoid?
13:11<eliteforce>oh its simple -_
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13:20<AzaTht>What is "linux-latest-modules"
13:22<enouf>!info linux-latest-modules
13:22<AzaTht>nothing then ツ
13:23<AzaTht>brb, restarting X
13:23<enouf>[13:21:52] [dpkg] Package 'linux-latest-modules' does not exist.
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13:32<kmap>Hi! I've just noticed that the auto mounting of USB and CDROMs in KDE has stopped
13:32<komar>i have the same problem
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13:32<kmap>Though I have kdebase-kioplugins and hal+udev on, it still doesn't work, and I am unable to figure out where the problem lies
13:33<komar>i have everything installed : hal, udev, dbus
13:33<komar>but of late, it has stopped working
13:33<kmap>Several forum queries haven't helped. Could someone offer a better solution?
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13:34<l_>output : "Operation failed.
13:34<l_><l> " von pump
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13:43<nubbun>How do I install packages inspite of hash mismatches?
13:43<erKURITA>force it?
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13:45<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
13:45<enouf>!kde automount
13:45<dpkg>To automount CDs and USB disks under kde, aptitude install kdebase-kio-plugins; adduser your_username plugdev; you will have to log out and back in before it works.
13:45<kmap>enouf: Been there, done that
13:45<enouf>go into Control Center
13:45<enouf>and play there
13:46<JRHartley>kmap: are you in the right groups ? also check your system settings -> look & feel -> desktop -> behaviour -> device icons. maybe the desktop icon is off, or something
13:46<enouf>maybe #debian-kde on knows more - checked the BTS?
13:46<enouf>upgraded and broke it?
13:46<kmap>JRHartley: I am in plugdev and haven't been mucking around of late.
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13:46<kmap>debian-kde is my next stop. And the BTS didn't give me much...
13:46<kmap>But I am working on it. :-)
13:46<JRHartley>kmap: dunno then. sorry
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13:47<kmap>JRHartley: It's OK. But if I solve it, I'll make it known somewhere. :-)
13:47<enouf>kmap: does a restarting of session help?
13:48<enouf>how about a reboot? .. you should take a snapshot of ps aux or pstree -lunap output prior and compare to after
13:48<enouf>too many things, hal, udev, Dbus crap
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13:51<kmap>enouf: Well, OK. I'll try it
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13:56<brion>anybody know of a product that has a search function which returns a picture of a person and some other information. Sort of like an employee database?
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13:58<enouf>brion: the passwd file can do some of that - see man chfn
13:58<enouf>a picture though?
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14:04<red_mercury-ar>wher is guys
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14:13<JohnGH>Is there a way to lock the version of a particular package? My Sun Java JRE 1.5.0 upgraded from to last week, and now the Java app I need to use won't work :-|
14:14<JohnGH>I'd like to roll back to the older version and stay there for now
14:15<dmoerner>!tell JohnGH -about hold
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14:15<dmoerner>!tell JohnGH -about sdn
14:16<dmoerner>if you need a copy of the older version
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14:19<JohnGH>dmoerner: thanks very much, I only need to roll back to the version that was superceeded on Friday 8th, so it doesn't need snapshots, but the aptitude hold looks like just what I need - thank you!
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14:21<brion>enouf yes like an employee intranet
14:21<brion>i want it to include seat location/picture/title...
14:21<JohnGH>so if I do a dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java5-jre_1.5.0-14-3_all.deb and dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java5-bin_1.5.0-14-3_i386.deb
14:21<red_mercury-ar>i want change kernel linux to kernel BSD
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14:22<dmoerner>JohnDoh, sorry but is that a specific question?
14:22<JohnGH>then do aptitude hold sun-java5-bin and aptitude hold sun-java5-jre
14:22<dmoerner>JohnGH, ^^
14:22<dmoerner>yes that is what you want
14:22<JohnGH>thank you :)
14:23<red_mercury-ar>plese i want change kernel linux to kernel BSD
14:23<brion>red_mercury-ar see
14:23<JohnGH>red_mercury-ar: for a particular reason?
14:24<brion>FreeBSD is more stable =)
14:24<JohnGH>there is a Debian BSD port, but it's not exactly fully functional yet!
14:24<brion>The TCP stack is more stable at least.
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14:24<red_mercury-ar>i am sorry but i want instal kernel BSD in debian linux
14:24<JohnGH>red_mercury-ar: do you only have one computer? or do you have another computer you can experiment with?
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14:25<red_mercury-ar>i have one computer
14:25<JohnGH>red_mercury-ar: If you install the BSD kernel it won't be Linux any more
14:25<dmoerner>red_mercury-ar, go here for support: #gnu-kbsd
14:25<JohnGH>How much free disk space do you have?
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14:27<JohnGH>red_mercury-ar: 60GB?
14:27<red_mercury-ar>yes 60GB
14:28<red_mercury-ar>gnu-kbsd it any have not people
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14:28<dpkg>[freebsd] NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. there exists debian gnu/kfreebsd, see #gnu-kbsd
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14:28<dmoerner>it's probably on freendoe
14:29<JohnGH>red_mercury-ar: if you have an already working Linux system that you can do everything on, you may find it worthwhile to either repartition your hard disk to make a filesystem for BSD, or even to install something like qemu or virtualbox and try installing a virtual machine with BSD so you can check it out
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14:29<dmoerner>red_mercury-ar, no you're right that is a broken factoid
14:29<JohnGH>red_mercury-ar: From my past experience (I haven't checked lately) there is a LOT more useful software for Debian Linux than there is/was for FreeBSD
14:30<JohnGH>I also had trouble with FreeBSD not recognising hardware (like the hard disk on my rather common Compaq laptop!)
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14:31<JohnGH>It's good to learn BSD too, but you'd be dissappointed if you blew your Linux system away hoping to replace it with a BSD system that did as much as your Linux box could.
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14:33<red_mercury-ar>thank you i will using linux all time
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14:33*fxiny is a member of wheel group
14:34<enouf>red_mercury-ar: also, see perhaps
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14:34<enouf>dpkg: freebsd is also see
14:34<dpkg>okay, enouf
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14:47<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I've still got mawk but I'm removing mindi <g>
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15:03<paco>hi all
15:04<paco>i'm watching for sky2 module sources
15:04<paco>but i can't find them
15:05<paco>dows one of you know where they are??
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15:05<dmoerner>paco, sky2 is in the mainline kernel source
15:05<paco>i know that....but i need to use kernel 2.6.24 branch but an update version
15:06<paco>of the sky2 module
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15:06<paco>cause the 2.6.24 one does not recognise my ethernet card
15:06<dmoerner>paco, your best bet would be to checkout the newest git branch and then merge the directories you want between the branches
15:06<dmoerner>are you sure it's fixed in newer version?
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15:07<paco>yes....i've tried the 2.6.26 kernel and myu ethernet works...but
15:08<paco>with 2.6.26 i can't use
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15:08<paco>the fglrx proprietary drivers
15:08<paco>i've to choice
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15:08<dmoerner>paco, i am running fglrx with 2.6.26 right now...
15:09<paco>how did you build them??
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15:09<dmoerner>you just have to patch firegl_public.* to stop the build errors
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15:09<dmoerner> is the patch you need
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15:10<paco>is this a patch for kernel or for ati drivers??
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15:10<dmoerner>ati drivers
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15:10<paco>thank's so much
15:11<paco>i'm trying it!
15:11<dmoerner>out of curiosity do you know what commit fixed your problem?;a=history;f=drivers/net/sky2.c;h=7d29edcd40b4f111af185b07bac9ffd2fc77fbe0;hb=HEAD
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15:12<dmoerner>what is your card?
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15:13<paco>Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device 4355 (rev 12)
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15:14<paco>i think that simply my chipset is not inserted in drivers present in kernel <=2.6.25
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15:15<dmoerner>it looks like CHIP_ID_YUKON_SUPR and CHIP_ID_YUKON_UL_2 are the additions they've made since 2.6.24
15:15<paco>yes, i think so!
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15:15<paco>but i don't want to rebuild the kernel
15:16<dmoerner>you could try applying the patches yourself to the 2.6.24 source
15:17<dmoerner>and then building the module individually
15:17<dmoerner>make clean && make oldconfig && make scripts && make prepare && make M=./drivers/net
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15:19<paco>yes, but i prefer to patch the ati drivers and use a new kernel
15:19<paco>but thanks for the alternative
15:19<dmoerner>ah i found the bug
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15:19<dmoerner>that was the fix
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15:20<paco>yes, that's that!
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15:30<Aleric>Does anyone know how to kill schroot zombie chroot's? :/
15:30<Aleric>damn bug
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15:31<erKURITA>Aleric kill -9 it?
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15:32<Aleric><erKURITA> No I don't know. I never used schroot.
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15:36<Aleric>This worked:
15:36<Aleric>for c in $(mount | grep '/var/lib/schroot/mount' | sed -e 's%.*/var/lib/schroot/mount/%;s/ .*//'); do schroot -e -c $c; done
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15:58<enouf>Aleric: how silly
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16:04<bloom>I'm having trouble with KDM. when it creates my .Xauthority file, the file is created with root:root ownership and none of my applications can connect to the X server. Any ideas how to fix this?
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16:20<Aleric>Xlib: connection to "hikaru:0.0" refused by server
16:20<Aleric>How can I solve that?
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16:22<simonrvn>Aleric: don't run x stuff as root
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16:23<Torsten_W>Aleric: use sux instead of su
16:23<Aleric>I'm not using su :/
16:23<Aleric>Oh wait.. I was
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16:25<Aleric>Still doesn't work
16:25<Aleric>I'm running synergys from a chroot.
16:26<Aleric>AUDIT: Mon Aug 18 22:25:15 2008: 667 X: client 8 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
16:26<simonrvn>i'm not surprised it's not working ;)
16:26<Aleric>Well, it rejects it. Question: how do I allow it?
16:27<simonrvn>cp .Xauthority and set the DISPLAY= env. variable
16:28<simonrvn>disclaimer: no guarantees it'll work
16:29<Aleric>Thanks, copying .Xauthority worked :)
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16:31<simonrvn>fyi, that'll work for only the duration that particular x server is running
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16:36<Aleric>simonrvn: here's what you're helping with:
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16:38<kop>Somebody sent me a binhexed file. What do I use to unbinhex it?
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16:38<deco>somebody try with lasts lenny?
16:38<Aleric>kop: I think it's a MacOS format.
16:39<kop>Aleric : Yup. Does something to put the data fork and the application (?) fork into one file.
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16:39<kop>Aleric : Sorta like uuencode for apple files.
16:39<kop>Aleric : But I need to un-mung it.
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16:46<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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16:49<kop>Aleric : uudeview seems accecptable. I've never liked it, because it does not want to be a command line tool. If it was just command line, instead of trying to be another text-based mail reader, it'd be a handy program.
16:50<alys>Please, I 'lost' my X. It seems that the configuration file for xorg has problems. Could you tell me how I can configure xorg? Thank you.
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16:50<deco>somebody try with lasts lenny? 18-Aug-2008 :)
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16:51<kop>alys : From memory : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
16:51<alys>thank you so much!
16:51<kop>alys : You'll probably need to be root before running that.
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16:52<alys>Yes, I realize that - I'm attending to it now...
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16:57<alys>kop: I now have X - gdm is working just fine. Thank you so much.
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17:02<mattl>i previously had ipw3945 installed, now i'm using iwl3945... i think something from the previous driver is still on my system, and it's affecting the stability of my internet connection. any ideas?
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17:04<erKURITA> error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE <= what could this be due to?
17:05<mattl>erKURITA: do you have automake installed?
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17:42<erKURITA>solved Matt
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17:47<jla>Is the CSmall IPv6 and DebianIPv6 wiki info up to date? I'm trying to follow the 6to4 steps and it works differently on my Etch system than described at these places. Is there a better document?
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18:22<socialengineer>hey, anyone use splashy?
18:22<socialengineer>im having trouble getting it working properly
18:22<socialengineer>it uses the right theme for shutdown but the default when it boots
18:22<socialengineer>any ideas?
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18:25<aptituz>socialengineer: have a look at the configuration file and see whats set as the default_theme
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18:25<aptituz>socialengineer: try setting it to your desired theme or let it recreate the initramfs bei calling dpkg-reconfigure splashy
18:26<socialengineer>cool. ill try that
18:26<aptituz>(thats how I've been successful, which doesn't neccessarily mean that this is the right way (tm))
18:27<socialengineer>it makes sense that why it can display on shutdown but not on boot
18:27<lupine_86>hello hello. So, I have two two SATA interfaces, currently used by two drives in a striped LVM configuration. I'd like to replace that with two drives in a RAID1 + LVM configuration. My question:
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18:28<lupine_86>Can I stick one drive in, copy both pvs over, recreate the vg from the pvs (that were formerly on different drives, but would now be different partitions of the same drive) and then add the second drive and set up RAID1 after the fact?
18:28<socialengineer>disco, cheers aptituz
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18:30<turnfs>is sendmail.postfix normal not part of the debian sarge postfix? or is my box 'special'
18:32<kop>turnfs : Isn't it just "sendmail" that comes with postfix>?
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18:33<kop>lupine_86 : You're using the same 2 sata drives that you started with?
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18:33<lupine_86>kop: no, I have two new 1TB drives
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18:33<lupine_86>the combined capacity of my current VG is 750GB
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18:34<lupine_86>the sticker is that I can only have two drives attached to the system at a time :D
18:34<lupine_86>(that, and I was daft enough to use striped lvm)
18:34<kop>lupine_86 : You can only plug in 2 sata drives at once.. (oH)
18:34<aptituz>socialengineer: does it work?
18:34<turnfs>i guess.. im used to centos more than debian, so i went to config spamassassin and found on debian sarge, the same config (except using sendmail instead of sendmail.postfix) works for relaying locally made mail via 'mail command' thru spamassasin on centos, but not on debian sarge; on sarge, i have to pass the email thru the smtp port for it to filter.
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18:34<turnfs>i assumed it had something to do with the missing sendmail.postfix
18:35<kop>lupine_86 : If you're striping, you need to un-stripe before you unplug one of the existing drives. I see no way around it.
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18:35<lupine_86>you can unstripe?
18:35<lupine_86>that would make things a lot easier :D
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18:36<Jahnia>Could anyone tell me, real quick, how to stop GUI from booting? After fumbling through Xserver install, it finally loads, but refresh rate doesn't fit, so I presume I need to stop it at GRUB...
18:36<lupine_86>lvchange --alloc ?
18:36<lupine_86>Jahnia: remove /etc/rc2.d/?dm
18:37<lupine_86>you can get a rescue console by adding "single" to the kernel opts
18:37<kop>lupine_86 : You'd unstripe by making another (unstriped) pv, adding it to the vg and then telling lvm to move the data.... But you need room. Lemme look at --alloc...
18:37<lupine_86>(or you can use update-rc.d to do the changes)
18:37<Jahnia>Ah, okay. Thank you.
18:37<lupine_86>heh, yes. I don't have much elbow room in the current vg
18:38<lupine_86>certainly not enough to play games with my 600GB partition
18:38<kop>turnfs : You might want to compare /etc/postfix/ on centos vs sarge. (Also, sarge is kinda old...)
18:38<lupine_86>"It?s only possible to change a non-contiguous logical volume?s allocation policy to contiguous, if all of the allocated physical extents are already contiguous.
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18:39<turnfs>kop: the has the same entries where it counts, the only reference being the -o content_filter for the main smtp item.
18:40<turnfs>kop: i just don't get why one linux varient will send mail thru the smtp daemon when crafting it at the localhost, and other uses an entirely different transport method :/
18:40<kop>lupine_86 : If you've got 600G on a 750G pv, then you could make another pv with the extra space, tell lvm to use that preferentially, decrease the exisining 600G partition, rinse and repeat. (ugh)
18:40<lupine_86>no, I have a 750GB VG. a 500GB PV, and a 250GB PV
18:41<kop>lupine_86 : But you could decrease the lv size and get some space to play with.
18:41<lupine_86>of that 600GB LV, I have 25GB free...
18:41<lupine_86>the rest is split into various OS partitions, which are also rather full
18:42<kop>turnfs : That's a bit odd. In my experience local mail gets droped into postdrop and does not go through smtp. Perhaps it has more to do with the and what system name postfix thinks it's using. ?
18:42<turnfs>oh.. hrm
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18:42<turnfs>well, whats the prefered method for ensuring anything that is dropped into postdrop will hit a content filter you'd want?
18:43<kop>lupine_86 : So, shrink the fs, then the lv, then you've 250G to play with to make another (unstriped) pv. Ugly, but would work, yes?
18:43<turnfs>I'd tried to make sense of the postfix after-queue content filter page, tho i havent had any luck
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18:47<kop>turnfs: urgle. I'm not steeped in postfix at the moment and am afraid I've not the time now to ramp up. Sorry. One approach I'd try is to upgrade the sarge to etch. I don't think sarge gets security updates any longer, or if it does it won't for much longer. The newer postfix may help. (Although, realistically, there's nothing like understanding what you're doing. And it seems that it's something configuration-ie.)
18:48<kop>turnfs : In other words, I'd guess upgrading won't make the problem go away.
18:48<jla>lupine_86: it sounds like you need to network copy or buy/borrow a sata card
18:49<Aleric>Grrr, I hate this. I reboot.. come back: no sound.
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18:50<kop>turnfs : The thing I'd start with is answering the question "what's sendmail.postfix do"? It seems to send via smtp, like it or not. Where did it comes from?
18:51<jla>lupine_86: once you can get at least one of the new disks in, the rest is doable. raid1 with just one disk. pvcreate, vgextend, pvmove (if you must stay online otherwise it is faster to just create the new lv's and copy.)
18:51<lupine_86>well, I've no issues with booting into a rescue CD/etc
18:53<lupine_86>but lvm won't cope if I swap one of the current PVs out?
18:53<jla>I don't see how that will help. You had striping with a 250g and 500g drive, and are mostly full. You need to shuffle data to unstripe, or just get another disk in there so you have 3
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18:53<HelpAttacked>what is apxs2 and how do i install it?
18:54<dmoerner>HelpAttacked, since you want to install it, don't you know what it is?
18:54<lupine_86>jla: what will LVM do if I try to take away the 250GB PV, replace it with a 1TB PV, and pvmove the 500GB PV onto the new 1TB PV?
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18:54<lupine_86>(with 'replace it' meaning 'swap it with')
18:55<jla>lupine_86: about the same thing that would happen if you booted with half of raid 0.
18:55<jla>lupine_86: it would refuse to work giving some error that may give you a clue that the vg is missing disks.
18:55*lupine_86 sulks at lvm some :p
18:57<jla>lupine_86: I can't think of options beyond what has been suggested. reduce disk usage so you can shrink and shuffle to linear, or copy across network, or get another drive hooked up
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18:58<lupine_86>mm, I'm just a bit upset that lvm requires a complete vg to move a pv
18:58<lupine_86>that's just.. really not intuitively correct
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18:59<jla>a complete volume group to move a physical volume? I've moved pe's between pv's in the same vg with pvmove.
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19:01<lupine_86>say you have a VG with three PVs. One PV goes missing. Can you still move PEs between the remaining two PVs?
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19:02<jla>after you somehow forced lvm to think that it had never had the third pv, I suppose, but you'd most likely loose that data. If you didn't care about it in the first place, why not lvremove all lv's on the pv?
19:03<jla>wait I was thinkg of that wrong
19:03<jla>sure. it could recover as long as your lv's didn't span pvs (linearly or striped)
19:04<jla>but if half your file system is on one disk and the other half on another disk that is now gone, how does the file system deal with that?
19:04<lupine_86>the file system doesn't get mounted while you're doing the swap
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19:05<lupine_86>my argument is that I should be able to duplicate each PV independently of the others, then reconstruct the volume group from the copies
19:05<jla>ok, maybe with a rescue disk boot and dd you could somehow do it. I wouldn't begin to guess how
19:07<lupine_86>any attempt to do anything like this with the VG active would be extremely foolish ;)
19:07<jla>try #lvm on freenode or mail the list.
19:07<lupine_86>ooh, #lvm. good idea
19:08<jla>I'm curious why you can't add another disk. is it physical space, lack of sata connectors and card slots?
19:08<kop>lupine_86 : Your idea sounds good, in theory. But the trouble is you're moving what was an entire drive into a partition, which could really wack out lvm.
19:09<kop>lupine_86 : Maybe this is a job for the loopback interface, to fake out lvm and make it think you're partition is an entire drive. (*sheesh*)
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19:10<lupine_86>nope, they're partitions
19:10<lupine_86>win 17
19:11<lupine_86>I save a couple of GB, un-LVMed, on each drive for /boot and the like
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19:11<kop>lupine_86 : (win 17?) Even so, lvm probably cares about what blocks are where and so forth.
19:11<lupine_86>I'm in irssi ;)
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19:13<kop>lupine_86 : Do a short quick rental of space from and then wait forever for your broadband connection to backup and restore?
19:14<lupine_86>that'd be rather expensive ;)
19:14<lupine_86>to the tune of £2.50/GB
19:14<lupine_86>I think... since it's going to be a read-only operation on my two current drives... there's no harm in trying
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19:19<jla>Anyone have a 6to4 ip address and mind checking ping on 2002:4171:807::1
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19:44<streuner_>!seen gwolf
19:44<dpkg>i haven't seen 'gwolf', streuner_
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19:47<ia2k>anyone know anything about alsa?
19:47<abrotman>#alsa on freenode?
19:47<abrotman>if they're awake
19:47<abrotman>you're still trying to get your mic going ?
19:48<ia2k>yeah i got it working over the speakers just wont work with anything else
19:48<ia2k>im in that channel
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19:49<abrotman>you've been to to look for your device?
19:49<ia2k>Asus onboard
19:49<ia2k>yeah im there right now
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19:52<ia2k>prolly end up just going and buying a damn sound card this shit will work with
19:54<abrotman>ia2k: no warnings from alsaconf ?
19:55<ia2k>i dont know how to check that
19:55<ia2k>i havnt really had anyone that would help me, they were really flooded earlier when i went over there and they sent me to a website
19:56<ia2k>which i dont mind but all i could get out of it was my voice over the speakers
19:56<abrotman>oh . your mic does work ?
19:56<ia2k>which is better than where i was
19:56<abrotman>but only out of your speakers ?
19:56<abrotman>ia2k: make sure all levels in the mixer are all the way up ?
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20:00<ia2k>yeah that did nothing
20:00<ia2k>but give me a headache
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20:03<abrotman>fantastic .. subsonic headphones!
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20:03<ia2k>anyway i gotta go
20:04<ia2k>maybe someone will bein alsa later to help me
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20:41<helloW>I need some help installing Debian on a Sun Blade 1000 by TFTP
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20:41<helloW>I managed to boot it in TFTP
20:42<helloW>but I've encountered a problem while installing the base system
20:42<helloW>it just doesn't want to install since it always bad signature ... I keep trying and still have the error
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20:45<helloW>I've got something like that : debootstrap [...] Invalid Release Signature (key id A70DAF536070D3A1)
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20:45<helloW>I haven't been successful at finding a solution to my problem with Google ....
20:48<Aleric>I never can remember the right factoid keywords, sorry.
20:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive
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20:51<Aleric>helloW: Sounds like installing the base with debootstrap should just work. If not, it's a bug. I wouldn't be surprised if it's buggy.. I've never been able to install any linux dist other than from a DVD, or only with lots and lots of trouble :/
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20:57<helloW>ok Alam_Debian
20:57<helloW>ok Aleric
20:58<helloW>dpkg, I've already tried that ...
20:58<dpkg>helloW: I don't know, could you explain it?
20:58<Aleric>dpkg is a bot
20:58<dpkg>no idea, Aleric
20:58<helloW>the install from TFTP goes flawless till the installation of the Base System
20:59<helloW>I've got bad signature error ... that's all ... wait gonna try again to give some more details
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21:00<helloW>I'll try to install gnupg manually .... then I'll retry the installation of the base system
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21:03<helloW>I get something like that : debootstrap [...] Invalid Release Signature (key id A70DAF536070D3A1)
21:05<helloW>then : "Impossible to install the base system\n" "The base system couldn't be installed in /target/\n" "Please view /var/log/syslog or the 4th virtual console to get some more details\n"
21:06<helloW>then the last error msg I get says something like that : "One installation step failed, try again or go back to menu"
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21:08<helloW>in virtual console 4 (3 last lines) : "WARNING : Configuring base installer failed with error code 1\n" "WARNING : Menu item base-installer failed\n" "DEBUG: resolver (gcc-4.1-base) : package doesn't exist (ignored)
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21:23<helloW>I'm trying to install APT to resolve my installation proble
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21:25<lamer>IDENTIFY nightwriter kibtc21
21:25<helloW>here what error I have when I try to install some stuff with apt : apt-get: /usr/lib/ version 'GLICXX_3.4.9' not found (required by apt-get)
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21:25<helloW>(I've installed dependency
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21:27<william>what is the file name for flash player install
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21:33<twb>Reading someone else's vlan notes, they have ":iface eth1 inet static", i.e. a leading colon. Is this a typo?
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21:34<qq>iface eth0 inet static
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21:35<william>qq: what is the file name to download flash player
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21:35<qq>william: i dunno
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21:53<enouf>oh crap, it was more than 15 mins ago O_o
21:57<twb>Some of the best things in life happen fifteen minutes ago.
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21:59<ia2k>getting my mic working would be allot easier if i knew what i was doing
22:00<enouf>Aleric: try /msg dpkg listvals <keyword> ..and/or 'listkeys'
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22:10<william>how can I set my resolution to higher than 800X600
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22:11<abrotman>william: driver/card?
22:12<upsilon>is it possible that ndiswrapper is causing my system to freeze up?
22:12<william>the card is on the motherboard and with other operating systems it can go highter
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22:13<abrotman>william: lspci | grep VGA
22:13<ia2k>if you have kde go to Desktop/Prefrences/screen resolution
22:13<william>ia2K: i have gnome
22:14<abrotman>gnome has a screen resolution applet also
22:14<ia2k>should be simular
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22:15*phillipsjk is impressed how abrotman told William's computer to look for the line(s) mentioning 'VGA', rather than William himself. :)
22:15<abrotman>or don't answer my questions ...
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22:16<dinho>ola alguen do brasil
22:16<abrotman>phillipsjk: cuts down on confusion :)
22:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:17<william>abrotman: 1:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Chromatic Research Inc. Mpact 2 (rev 41)
22:17<abrotman>i don't even know what that is
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22:18<william>abrotman: on the desktop preferences it give me options up to 800X600 but does not have others
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22:18<abrotman>probably because you're using vesa
22:18<superlinux>what is the recommended web cam for debian?
22:18<qq>william: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Driver
22:18<abrotman>superlinux: what's a web cam?
22:18<ia2k>the vid card that installed when i installed debian was not the right driver for my vid card i went to play a game and got like 1fps i downloaded the right card now i get up to 100+
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22:19<superlinux>abrotman, i am aasking about the webcam
22:19<william>abrotman and qq: vesa
22:19<abrotman>superlinux: what's a web cam!?
22:19<superlinux>the camera mate!
22:20<william>abrotman: is there a better driver and how do I change it
22:20<abrotman>william: i'm trying to figure that out
22:20<dmoerner>does chromatic = you can use open chrome? i've never heard of this at all before
22:20<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg
22:20<abrotman>but .. i don't think that's for his
22:21<dmoerner>me either
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22:24<dmoerner>william, by other operating systems, do you mean "windows"
22:24<william>dmoerner: yes
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22:25<abrotman>william: how old is this system ?
22:25<abrotman>william: can you do `lspci -nn | grep VGA` and paste it here?
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22:25<william>abrotman: just a minute
22:28<dmoerner>this is odd...i found someone with the same card name and rev # that lists it as a "multimedia" card rather than VGA: 02:08.0 Multimedia controller: Chromatic Research Inc. Mpact 2 (rev 41)
22:28<william>abrotman:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Chromatic Research Inc. Mpact 2 [110b:00041] (rev 41)
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22:30<abrotman>william: you can look in the Xorg.0.log .. but everything i'm seeing is that you're stuck with VESA (should be able to get to 1024 with the correct options i believe)
22:30<dmoerner>william, i don't think there is any linux support for that controller. i found 2 people on the internet who had it and both had unanswered questions about it
22:30<abrotman>yours is at the bottom
22:30<dmoerner>abrotman wins
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22:31<william>abrotman: so what would the correct options be to get to 1024
22:32<abrotman>not sure .. never done it myself
22:32<abrotman>you might have to lower the bit depth you're using
22:32<abrotman>or possibly configure the bios/kernel to pass more video ram along
22:32<william>abrotman: ok thanks looks like it is time for more learning. good night
22:32<dmoerner>it's also possible that you could try using the vga driver...i've never quite understood the difference between vesa and vga though
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22:33<abrotman>The driver will only use 64k of video memory for depth 1 and depth 8 operation, and 256k of video memory for depth 4 (this is the standard VGA limit).
22:33<abrotman>When operating at depth 8, only a single built-in 320x200 video mode is available. At other depths there is more flexibility regarding mode choice.
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22:33<abrotman>dmoerner: doens't look fun :)
22:34<william>dmoerner: so how do i change from vesa to vga using dpkg i do not remember
22:34<dmoerner>william, maybe you could try this but i don't know...
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22:34<abrotman>using vga is going to be *way* worse
22:34<dmoerner>edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add Driver "vga" in the video devices section
22:34<abrotman>that bit i pasted above is from the 'vga' man page
22:34<dmoerner>vga is unlikely to solve anything...the link i gave you might help though
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22:35<abrotman>if you use 8bit with 'vga' .. you get 320x200 .. that's like .. 1990 :)
22:36<dmoerner>william, i hope you are familiar with basic C code... :)
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22:36<william>dmoerner: it has been awhile but yes
22:37<william>got to go guys thanks for all the help will probably be back another day.
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22:39<UBUNTUJAY123>hi all i have dreamlinux and i cant get my cam to install in it how do i do it
22:40<kop>UBUNTUJAY123 : You ask on a channel that talks about dreamlinux.
22:40<dpkg>i heard dreamlinux is a Brazillian live CD based on Debian, <Knoppix> and <Morphix>. User forum is at #dreamlinux @ See also <based on Debian>.
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22:41<twb>Yeesh, more forks.
22:42<twb>Why don't people just put effort into Debian directly?
22:42<dmoerner>some people don't see the value in working through the (at times arcane) structure of debian policy/development
22:43<dmoerner>one attempt to rebuild an ubuntu package and it spits out so many lintian errors that you return right to debian...or at least that's how i feel
22:44<twb>dmoerner: you may not have noticed, but lintian reports errors (or at least warnings) aplenty for lots of packages in Debian
22:44<twb>But my favourite is "lintian webmin_N_all.deb"
22:44<twb>At last count, it had about 18 errors and 140 warnings.
22:45<phillipsjk>Because they want point-and click wizards. (Like Windows) I chose debian specifically beacause it was NOT billed as "Easy to use" after having a bad experience with an "Easy to use" distro. If you want do do somenthing not handled by the 'wizard', you are ****ed. /rant
22:45<abrotman>luckily .. it's not in debian
22:45<twb>abrotman: well, if it was in Debian I could use reportbug to submit patches to the bozo who is building the .deb directly with cpio(1)
22:46<twb>Stupid customers who stupidly want stupid web-based administration.
22:46<abrotman>you could uh .. not use it :)
22:46<kop>Webforums, they want webforums too. That they have to sign up for to use. That let them put a thumbnail by their posts.
22:46<dmoerner>twb, debian tor: 0 lintian warnings, ubuntu tor: 2 errors 7 warnings. that was my one-sample-size barometer :)
22:46<twb>dmoerner: fairy nuff.
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22:47<twb>phillipsjk: well, you CAN has fancy-pants hand-holding stuff on top of Debian.
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22:47<twb>phillipsjk: e.g. gnome-sysadmin-tools or whatever it's called
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22:48<kop>twb: That gnome configuration voodoo was what made me finally ditch gnome.
22:48<phillipsjk>twb gnome scares be. (I run "older" computers)
22:49*kop is just older, so sometimes hates everything.
22:49<twb>I don't run gnome because around about version 2.0 they decided to completely ignore "users like me".
22:49<abrotman>ones that use webmin ?
22:49<twb>abrotman: I don't use webmin, I just install it
22:50<twb>abrotman: I use ed, like K&R intended.
22:51<twb>I'd switch customers to some other web-based admin UI (apparently they NEED one; management tells me that educating customers is poor business sense) if there was a compelling alternative. Not written in PHP, for a start.
22:52*phillipsjk likes the 'modconf' tool (Untill a recent install I thought it was included by default)
22:52<abrotman>twb: the php bit really isn't the problem
22:53<twb>abrotman: well, I use it as a litmus test for "did the developers even *think* about security issues? At all?"
22:54<abrotman>like C?
22:54<abrotman>everyone use Ada damn it!
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22:55<twb>I *want* to like ada, but it seems so procedural.
22:55*twb hugs haskell
22:55<abrotman>you and the gov't ;)
22:57*abrotman has an Ada book around here somewhere
22:58<twb>abrotman: there's on on
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22:58<abrotman>well .. the odd thing is that it's the same book as a Pascal book .. just a different language
22:58<abrotman>erm .. pascal book i have
22:58<abrotman>same examples/topics/etc
22:59<twb>Yeah, you're not supporting your case for Ada with that observation :P
22:59<abrotman>if it makes you feel better .. i have COBOL and RPG books :)
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23:00<abrotman>a prof was retiring .. and he had the pascal/ada books .. so i took them both .. i haven't coded pascal since high school
23:02*abrotman waves
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23:09<windio00>if i do a dual boot install of openbsd and debian, can i share a home directory?
23:09<windio00>or only swap?
23:11<dmoerner>windio00, you can share neither
23:11<dmoerner>openbsd used disklabels on partitions
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23:12<chuy_max>hey guys, is it safe to shrink an ntfs partition using gparted?
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23:12<dmoerner>chuy_max, i do it all the time. i recommend the parted magic livecd it always has the newest versions
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23:14<chuy_max>dmoerner, did you ever have a data loss?, I'm worried about gparted not moving the blocks of data properly
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23:15<chuy_max>I just installed windows, and I wouldn't like to reinstall it again after installing linux
23:15<dmoerner>chuy_max, the only time i ever had ntfs resize data loss was with partition magic 8 installed on the hd and doing live resizing
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23:18<chuy_max>roger that, I'm resizing it
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23:21<qq>chuy_max: maybe reinstall is less longer , i.e. resize from 80 to 40 GB took about 90 min on piii@1 GHz
23:22<dmoerner>qq, unless you have a slipstreamed sp3 disk windows install will take much longer than that
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23:24<Woland>does anybody know how to fix a bug with gnucash in lenny?
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23:24<Woland>** gnc.gui:ERROR:(gnc-icons.c:68):gnc_add_stock_icon_pair: assertion failed: (pixbuf1 && pixbuf2)
23:25<twb>dmoerner: hang on, surely Debian (i.e. Linux) can understand BSD disk labels?
23:26<dmoerner>twb, yes, but that doesn't mean it has good support for using a /home under a disklabel
23:26<dmoerner>bsd v gnu utils = disaster, besides that problem
23:26<twb>dmoerner: I'm amazed that's an issue.
23:26<twb>I used Debian with MacOS partitioning on a PowerPC system for years without problems.
23:27<twb>(I'm assuming we're talking about disk labels in the parted(8) sense.)
23:27<dmoerner>my point is that sharing /home would probably be a disaster
23:27<dmoerner>yes we are
23:27<dmoerner>actually i'm wrong sharing swap is ok
23:27<twb>dmoerner: no more so than sharing /home between RH and Debian; just make sure the UIDs match
23:28<twb>Maybe mount with -o bsdgroups
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23:28<dmoerner>maybe we are talking about different things...same user, same home directory between openbsd and debian?
23:28<twb>dmoerner: yes.
23:29<kop>Dosen't bsd have it's own partition table inside the regular partition table? Does Linux play nice with this "second partition table"?
23:29<twb>dmoerner: consider that it wouldn't be any differnt to sharing /home over NFS
23:29<twb>kop: I just assumed it had its own format INSTEAD OF the dos partition table.
23:29<dmoerner>twb, my concern is that handling of default .* files would be a mess between the two
23:29<kop>(Rather, it's own partition table inside a "regular" (sick "industry standard") partition table.
23:29<dmoerner>kop, yes you are correct. that is the "disklabel"
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23:31<dmoerner>at least for freebsd you have to recreate the swap every time on boot, as the two os's use different signatures
23:31<kop>dmoerner : I can see that'd be a concern too. The basic command line stuff should be compatible though. It's just gui that'll give you headaches. Maybe the answer is to have all your ~stuff inside a directory inside your home directory, and share _that_ between Linux and BSD.
23:31<dmoerner>meaning no hibernation but no other problems
23:32<dmoerner>kop, i think you have it inverted. the gui stuff will be the same pretty much between the two, it's the difference between bsd and gnu utils that would likely lead to problems
23:33<kop>dmoerner : Of them, what uses a dotfile? I'm just thinking of .forward and .procmailrc and the shell dotfiles. All that should work.
23:34<dmoerner>kop, oh i misunderstood you. yes i agree with you there
23:34<kop>dmoerner : And .ssh should be fine.
23:34<dmoerner> is down so sadly i can't search there for a better answer to this question
23:37<twb>dmoerner: why would it be a mess any more than ANY time you need e.g. .profile to work on both GNU and BSD systems?
23:37<dmoerner>the google info is so tantalizing..."Share a /home partition between FreeBSD and Linux. Now, I have searched a bit around, and it seems that in FreeBSD-6.0-current there will be ..."
23:37<dmoerner>too bad it's down
23:37<twb>Hell, my dotfiles work on SunOS 5.8
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23:37<dmoerner>maybe i'm was just my first impression that such a setup would be very foolish
23:37<twb>dmoerner: it's merely a little extra effort
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23:38<twb>I certainly wouldn't call it "disasterous"
23:39*Woland has found solution: ln -s /usr/lib /usr/lib32
23:40<Woland>broken gnucash build
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23:41<twb>Woland: ahaha
23:41<twb>gnucash is a bitch
23:41<qq>Woland: on 64 bit ?
23:41<Woland>qq: x86
23:41<twb>If you're all alone of a saturday night, you can spend it all just trying to backport gnucash
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23:42<Woland>where can i post bugreport?
23:42<twb>Woland: anywhere you like
23:42<kop>Woland : Use reportbug.
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23:42<twb>!tell Woland -about reportbug
23:43<Woland>twb: where is the debian's bugzilla?
23:43<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
23:43<Woland>kop: i'll try
23:43<Woland>qq: thanks a lot
23:44*twb thinks: "pessimists and cynics never get any thanks."
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