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---Logopened Tue Aug 19 00:00:02 2008
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00:16<Lestat_di_Lioncourt> have you been people?
00:16<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>I have a question...
00:16<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>Is there a way to install Debian (Debian Lenny) on a computer using a .iso file?
00:16<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>Like mounting a loop drive...
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00:25<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>Is there a way to install Debian (Debian Lenny) on a computer using a .iso file?
00:26<phillipsjk>Lestat_di_Lioncourt, (Found in TOC of Debian installation manual, followed one link to get to the appendix)
00:27<phillipsjk>(no, I have not tried it myself)
00:30<twb>Lestat_di_Lioncourt: yes, you pass "installhd" or something at boot: to tell it to look for *.iso in the root directory of the filesystem
00:30<twb>(I assume that's the part phillipsjk linked to.)
00:31<phillipsjk>twb, no, I linked to "Installing Debian from U*ix"
00:32<twb>phillipsjk: I think he has downloaded the .iso and wants to avoid burning it
00:32<twb>Lestat_di_Lioncourt: you'll still need to make the vmlinuz and initrd.gz files (from the .iso) available in some form, such as via netinst or usb key
00:33<twb>(vmlinuz won't fit on a floppy anymore)
00:35<kop>Lestat_di_Lioncourt : You'd be better off telling us what you want to accomplish. (i.e. I don't want to burn a cd, etc.)
00:36<kop>twb: (I've not yet figured out how to put a partion table and bootsector on a usb key and get it to boot. It's a pain.)
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00:37<twb>kop: ask #debian-boot
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00:38<twb>It's not hard, just a little hard to work out which command to issue
00:38<miLord_Lestat>Sorry <phillipsjk> and <twb>...i had go to the moon world...
00:38<miLord_Lestat>thanks about the answers...
00:38<twb>miLord_Lestat: there are usb install images on
00:38<twb>Hmm, that page is stale
00:39<kop>twb: I went there once, I think, and the attitude of the moment was "why trash the existing partition table and boot sector?" At least I think that's where I got that reply. Anyhow, I'm a bit burned out on it. Good idea though. I'll try there again someday.
00:39<twb>kop: when I installed my Eee PC, I just got a custom sid.img, dd'd it to /dev/sdb, then booted with the key still plugged in
00:39*phillipsjk does not get the "moon world" reference
00:39*twb either
00:39<miLord_Lestat>i only can use the internet connection when my OS is installed...
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00:40<miLord_Lestat>in instalation my wireless driver dnt appear...
00:40<kop>twb: It can't be easy, because the linux fdisk etc programs won't make a bootable floopy partition table. There's MS DOS voodoo involved.
00:40<twb>miLord_Lestat: there are ways around that
00:41<twb>kop: it was easy enough to use someone else's disk image, which included the partition table
00:41<twb>kop: SynrG can probably tell you more.
00:42<kop>miLord_Lestat : You might try using a cd from the debian-live project and then doing an "install while in Linux" sort of install. (But I don't know the details.)
00:42<kop>twb: What's that?
00:42<twb>kop: he made the aforementioned sid.img
00:42<phillipsjk>kop: floppies are not normally partitioned...
00:42<miLord_Lestat>[twb]: interesting... i have to search about that...
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00:43<kop>phillipsjk : And therein (somwhere) lies the problem. USB sticks can be partitioned. And I wanted a bootable, partitioned usb stick.
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00:44<kop>twb: I think I _could_ do it by dd-ing off an already "formatted" usb stick, but that would be illegal because MS owns the code in the boot sector.
00:45<phillipsjk>kop: as far as I know, you treat the USB stick much like a hard drive. The problem is: A: BIOS has to be USB aware. B> Bottloader has to be USB aware. C. Linux has to be USB aware.
00:46<kop>I forget the details. My brain is melting. But there's some special magic in BIOS and USB booting that wants to see an MSDOS formatted fs-like boot layout.
00:46<miLord_Lestat>[twb]: phillipsjk ... Thanks so much...see you later...
00:46<shifty>how do I change my password using LUKS? using cryptsetup, one can luksAddKey, followed by luksRemoveKey to remove the old passphrase, but surely there is an easier way?
00:46<twb>kop: not true
00:46<miLord_Lestat>i´m going...bye
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00:46<twb>kop: I can install Debian (and Grub) to a USB key and then boot from it
00:46<twb>kop: thus a dos partition table and a grub mbr are sufficient
00:47<kop>twb: But how did you get the partition table on the usb stick?
00:47<twb>kop: parted -s /dev/sdb mklabel dos
00:47<twb>kop: at least, I imagine that's what the debian installer did.
00:48<twb>kop: understand that in this case (which is not the target case we were discussing), I booted d-i *from a CD*, and installed *to* a USB key, then booted from the key.
00:48<kop>twb: I don't think I tried parted. I tried freedos and fdisk,sfdisk,cfdisk of course.
00:48<twb>kop: those are not GNU tools.
00:49<kop>twb: What does GNU tools have to do with it?
00:49<kop>twb :ok
00:49<twb>I'm rapidly losing interest in this discussion.
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00:51<twb>Postfix is responsible for creating /etc/mailname on systems where it's used. But my laptop has /etc/mailname even though I don't have postfix installed.
00:51<twb>It seems fairly common for mailname to be created by ALL MTA's, but "grep mailname /var/lib/dpkg/info/*" turned up nothing.
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00:53<kop>twb: That's interesting. My mailname is borked (the domain is there twice) Yet mail always seems to work. How can I find out what's using mailname?
00:54<twb>kop: strace or lsof?
00:55<kop>twb : Wouldn't that only work if I ran every binary on the box?
00:56<kop>man mailname is not very helpful.
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01:21<keidori>what conf file would i need to stop esd from auto start
01:22<cahoot>if you run gnome I believe it's in the sound settings
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01:30<keidori>sound settings?
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01:34<keidori>what dose esd do that alsa cant?
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01:38<keidori>lol, so why dose it gray out all the system sound boxes?
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02:22<keidori>how do i download drivers for my ati radeon 2100
02:22<keidori>my card is not listed on there site
02:22<keidori>and ive googled it and found one page
02:22<keidori>is there a master drivers or am i sol?
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03:23<leonancy>oyaa there
03:23<leonancy>any one who knows how to install php5.2.4
03:24<superjet_busy>!tell leonancy about install php
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04:03<Woland>this was no gnucash bug
04:03<Woland>this was my old x86_64 configuration
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04:03<Woland>only one question: why all worked fine first half of a year?
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04:17<EmleyMoor>Is there a way of seeing what I've got installed as a "dependency tree"?
04:20<EmleyMoor>(or more likely, a dependency forest, as it is possible there will be independent trees)
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04:22<weasel>there are cyclic dependencies, so it won't be a tree, or a forrest :)
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04:23<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... so there's no really tidy way I could convert "depended upon" stuff to "installed because something depends on it" if it's just plain "installed" right now?
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04:36<EmleyMoor>It's easy to see what packages something depends on - is it possible to see which packages something is depended on by?
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04:40<EmleyMoor>OK - how is it done?
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04:44<jm_>grep-dctrl, dpkg-awk, apt-rdepends etc.
04:44<jm_>apt-cache rdepends
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05:21<krisje8>Hi, guess what
05:22<krisje8>I have a problem :p
05:22<krisje8>I got a rtl8139b network card
05:22<krisje8>but it isn't working
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05:23<krisje8>it says that the 8139cp is not right, and that I should try 8139too
05:23<krisje8>well, they're both loaded
05:23<krisje8>and when I unload 8139cp , it doesn't work either
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05:24<krisje8>I tried blacklisting 8139 by 'blacklist', 'alias' and 'install /bin/true' , but neither worked
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05:33<EmleyMoor>If I intend to go to a RAID1+0 config on my new system, do I handle it in the BIOS or in Debian? (it's a new system)
05:34<petemc>stuff done in the 'bios' tends to be fakeraid, which generally isnt very good
05:35<EmleyMoor>So, if I put the full complement of four drives in, and boot the install CD, it will offer me the chance to set up the array?
05:35<petemc>the installer supports setting up software raid, yes
05:35<petemc>have a read of the install guide
05:35<EmleyMoor>All I am looking for now is a case with suitable bays
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05:38<Shadowdancer>is there a Right Way to get rid of /usr/share/doc?
05:38<EmleyMoor>Shadowdancer: Why do you want to?
05:39<Shadowdancer>because it's taking half a gig, and I don't really need it
05:39<EmleyMoor>Have you uninstalled all "doc" packages?
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05:41<Shadowdancer>all that aren't hard dependancies
05:42<EmleyMoor>Well, in that case, I'd archive the rest off on to some other medium then remove it - partly so that you can restore if there's a problem and partly so that you can restore before upgrading.
05:42<Shadowdancer>removing texlive-doc-base would free a lot of space, but I kinda need it _D
05:43<EmleyMoor>If it's stuff you need, perhaps you could get another disk to keep it on?
05:43<Shadowdancer>it's a laptop, and things are pretty cramped on there
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05:43<Shadowdancer>(hooray for job requiring Windows twice a year :-/)
05:43<jm_>heh I only have 295M in /usr/share/doc, you must have lots of stuff installed
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05:44<Shadowdancer>close to 1500 subdirs in there
05:44<jm_>1600+ for me
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05:45<petemc>106M /usr/share/doc/
05:45<sheldonh>resize2fs is refusing to do an online grow on ext3 on etch. i suspect old filesystem version itself. is there a tool i can use to inspect the filesystem, some kinda fsinfo?
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05:47<gsimmons>sheldonh: dumpe2fs; it is probably missing the "resize_inode" filesystem feature.
05:47<sheldonh>gsimmons: schweet, thanks!
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05:49<sheldonh>gsimmons: yup. it differs from the fs features on the servers where it worked, thanks!
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05:51<sheldonh>gsimmons: grrrr. can't be set via tune2fs. will i need to dump and restore to a new fs?
05:52<gsimmons>sheldonh: Yes. It can't be added to an existing filesystem (although dir_index can).
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05:53<sheldonh>gsimmons: but dir_index is optional, yes? i understand as dnode caching support?
05:53*krisje8 goes afk, if anyone has a solution for my porblem, please tell me
05:54<gsimmons>sheldonh: Sure, just mentioned that as a feature you can include via tune2fs. Not related to your online resizing. :)
05:54<sheldonh>krisje8: you may be SOL, depending on the chip. you may need to upgrade. are you using the etchnhalf kernel?
05:55<sheldonh>gsimmons: schweet. thanks, know what to do now
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07:01<Zwergengraf>hi, i just wanted to ask if debian i386 can handle 4 gb ram or only this standard 32 crap of ~ 3.5 gb. thank you.
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07:03<Zwergengraf>so it uses 100% of that 4gb? and not like crappy win only a bit less?
07:03<Shadowdancer>the kernel has PAE support for quite some time now
07:03<Shadowdancer>of course, the rest of the system has to support it too
07:04<Shadowdancer>AFAIK it supports up to 64GB
07:04<Zwergengraf>ahhh nice. thanks! well, what parts of the system need to support that?
07:05<Shadowdancer>it's possible that the board manufacturer castrated the BIOS
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07:06<Zwergengraf>okay. well, i'll take a look at that. thanks again and cu
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07:12<Txt-file>how can I change the gcc-version? ... I want to install vmware at my sid-pc
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07:15<petemc>Txt-file: you can just change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink
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07:17<Txt-file>petemc: how?/
07:17<petemc>rm and ln
07:19<nihil>or set CC
07:19<superjet_busy>!tell Txt-file about update-alternatives
07:20<Txt-file>nihil: set CC didn't work
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07:21<Gekz>nihil: you confused him. Have a cookie :>
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07:22<Txt-file>I am already confused since I waked up in the morning
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07:25<EmleyMoor>Is a new installation on a 3-disk RAID5 array viable?
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07:26<padski>EmleyMoor, why not ?
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07:27<paco>hi all
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07:27<EmleyMoor>padski: I am new to RAID and also trying to find a case it will all fit in
07:27<paco>i've patched and installed ati drivers on kernel 2.6.26 thank you all for help
07:28<paco>ps: the patch is compatible only for 8.6 drivers
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07:28<paco>not for the last release
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07:29<krisje8>seldonh: what is SOL? I'm using testing (lenny) with (I think) the latest kernel
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07:29<Brunnoh>Tem algum brasileiro ai?
07:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:29<krisje8>sheldonh: what is SOL? I'm using testing (lenny) with (I think) the latest kernel
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07:31<sheldonh>krisje8: shit outta luck
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07:31<sheldonh>krisje8: not the case with lenny
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07:32<krisje8>the strange thing is, on another system, where I got the card from, it worked
07:32<krisje8>also on lenny
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07:32<sheldonh>how are you testing that your modprobe/insmod did not find any interfaces?
07:32<krisje8>but it was a couple of months ago
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07:32<krisje8>it did find the interface, it just doesn't work
07:32<krisje8>it loads bouth 1863cp and 1863too
07:33<krisje8>and while booting it says that I should use 1863too instead of 1863cp
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07:44<krisje8>so, sheldonh, do you think you can help me?
07:45<sheldonh>krisje8: what does "it did find the interface" mean?
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07:45<krisje8>if I do ifocnfig -a with either of those drivers, it shows up
07:46<krisje8>and it just whines about it while booting
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07:47<sheldonh>krisje8: ah, so your nic is working fine in debian, you're just trying to get rid of a warning?
07:49<krisje8>no, it doesn't work
07:49<krisje8>it shows ifconfig -a
07:49<krisje8>but not in ifconfig
07:49<krisje8>and I don't have any internet
07:49<sheldonh>krisje8: are you sure ifconfig shows you interfaces that aren't up?
07:49<sheldonh>krisje8: (i mean, ifconfig without -a)?
07:49<jm_>edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
07:49<jm_>it shall become eth0 after that
07:50<sheldonh>jm_: i suspect that's where we're headed
07:50<krisje8>what do I change in those rules?
07:50<krisje8>just remove this adapter from it?
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07:51<sheldonh>krisje8: the easiest thing is to just delete the file and reboot
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07:53<krisje8>the whole file?
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07:54<sheldonh>krisje8: *shrug* either that or you have to know what you're doing in there (as in, identify the interface that you want to be eth0 by its MAC address, and then make sure the entry in the persistent rules for that mac address is named eth0, and that no other entries are named eth0)
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08:03<rajeshsr>hi can someone help me?
08:03<Danny>whats up
08:04<rajeshsr>I installed debian in my friend's system, after that when trying to boot I get error "no bootable device insert boot disk and press any key"
08:04<rajeshsr>But when I try to boot via ubuntu live cd with "boot from hard disk" option, I am able to boot
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08:05<EmleyMoor>rajeshsr: Sounds like the bootloader is not installed
08:05<rajeshsr>Grub is loading in that case, with no problem!
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08:05<rajeshsr>When I try with ubuntu..
08:05<EmleyMoor>Is there anything on the MBR?
08:06<Danny>check your bios boot settings to make sure it is set to CD, HDD1, etcetc
08:06<Txt-file>rajeshsr: are you sure that your BIOS boot the right hdd?
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08:06<Danny>Ive just run a lshw on my machine as i want to add some more RAM. Its says slot: System board or motherboard - size: 256MB - capacity: 512MB. Do you think this is per slot or overall ???
08:06<rajeshsr>EmleyMoor, What? I think I dint touch MBR. Only allowed GRUB to get installed at MBR..
08:06<rajeshsr>Txt-file, hmm actaullay it is my friend's system and he has only one hard disk!
08:07<EmleyMoor>rajeshsr: It sounds to me like it isn't there - where did you direct it to install?
08:07<Danny>Ive just run a lshw on my machine as i want to add some more RAM. Its says slot: System board or motherboard - size: 256MB - capacity: 512MB. Do you think this is per slot or overall ???
08:08<rajeshsr>EmleyMoor, GRUB is there I think. Becoz when I boot with UBUNTU live CD, no problem occurs. Grub is loading and am able to boot Debian
08:08<EmleyMoor>If it WAS there, it would load from the hard disk
08:08<rajeshsr>I mean with option, "boot from hard disk"
08:08<rajeshsr>Then how is it possible to load with UBUNTU CD?!
08:08<EmleyMoor>You shouldn't need to boot a CD to then boot the hard disk
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08:09<EmleyMoor>What hard disk are you telling the CD to boot from? (if any)
08:09<rajeshsr>He has only 1 hard disk..
08:09<EmleyMoor>Yes, but what is it CALLED?
08:09<rajeshsr>I mean it is my friend's system..
08:10<rajeshsr>In UBUNTU live CD, I found an option "boot from first hard disk". When I click it it loads..
08:10<rajeshsr>Anyway, I don't get the question, "CALLED".. ISn't it just hd0?
08:10<EmleyMoor>... without prompting you further?
08:10<rajeshsr>It doens't prompt me!
08:11<EmleyMoor>hd0 is a GRUB specification. It should be /dev/hda if grub is on the MBR, /dev/hda1 if it's on the first partition, and so on
08:11<jm_>make sure GRUB is installed on MBR, make sure your partition is active
08:11<EmleyMoor>Ah yes, check the partition is active
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08:11<rajeshsr>EmleyMoor, how do I do it? U mean my (hd0,0)
08:11<rajeshsr>jm_, How to make it active?
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08:12<EmleyMoor>rajeshsr: Mark it active using cfdisk or similar
08:12<jm_>rajeshsr: with fdisk
08:12<rajeshsr>Can u explain a little more?
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08:12<rajeshsr>First how to chk if it is active or not?
08:13<jm_>try dd if=/dev/[sh]da count=1|strings
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08:14<rajeshsr>hmm, /dev/hda is enuf or am I to specify /dev/hda1 etc..?
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08:15<rajeshsr>jm_, k, thanks
08:16<EmleyMoor>(that should at least help detect the presence of GRUB on the MBR)
08:16<rajeshsr>EmleyMoor, oh, anyway I will have to try it only tomm! It is my friend's system!
08:16<rajeshsr>EmleyMoor, Thanks
08:16<LuckyBird>hi !. can anybody help me whith small question. later i use FreeBSD, but now i install debian 4.0 in install i want to set LVM, i use guided install with LVM and system make / /usr /var /home /tmp, but i can not resize this partition. and in manual made i can not (( this is is lamerz question, please help
08:17<rajeshsr>anyway, the thing that bothers me is how cud Ubuntu boot to GRUB, while system itself can't! Any explanations?
08:17<jm_>it's quite possible grub was on CD
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08:18<rajeshsr>jm_, U mean on UBUNTU CD?
08:18<Lethalman>rajeshsr, ubuntu did some boot tricks on my father's PC sometimes ago too
08:19<Lethalman>i had 2 harddisks and it couldn't boot without the second hd rotfl
08:19<rajeshsr>Lethalman, oh was it positive as in my case?!
08:19<Lethalman>no i had to reinstall the boot loader the right way myself
08:19<jm_>rajeshsr: yes, or it simply chainloads from hda1
08:20<rajeshsr>jm_, hmm, The possibility of GRUB in live CD is improbable as I am pretty sure that it is from the system!
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08:21<jm_>yes I mentione that option too
08:21<Aleric>rajeshsr: grub has a very detailed and extensive documentation.
08:21<Aleric>Reading it will surely help you solve your problem.
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08:23<rajeshsr>Aleric, hmm, time to get to understand grub more! All is really paradoxical! I really wanna understand what is going behind the scene!
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08:23<rajeshsr>Lethalman, :)
08:24<Lethalman>yes grub is complex to me too
08:24<Lethalman>i liked lilo for a long time so much
08:24<Lethalman>simple and pretty
08:25<rajeshsr>Lethalman, oh, I have not used LILO, at all! But GRUB seems really cool; does a pretty good job in most cases!
08:25<Aleric>I like grub... I had a setup where lilo constantly failed. It was a nightmare. Then I tried grub and that worked without problems.
08:25<EmleyMoor>I went from lilo to grub a while back
08:26<rajeshsr>In case I have not said I also tried reinstalling GRUB from rescue mode, with the same problem persisting!
08:26<Aleric>grub was written to replace lilo, because of it's short comings. It is a GREAT advantage that you don't have to "recompile" and reinstall things every time you change the kernel imho.
08:26<Aleric>The numering of the disks while the bootloader is trying to boot and once the system is booted can be different.
08:27<jm_>rajeshsr: you're doing it wrong then
08:27<Aleric>Ie, in grub you might need to tell to use hd0, while later on that is hd1.
08:27<rajeshsr>jm_, what?
08:27<Aleric>That was not possible with lilo: that would determine that the root disk was on hd1 and use that.
08:28<LuckyBird>nobody to help *(
08:29<Aleric>rajeshsr: Can't you even get the grub menu? If you boot, you can enter a commandline mode where you can investigate things, search of kernels, program the whole damn thing... and boot. You don't even NEED to configure it to be able to use it (and boot)
08:29<Aleric>search for*
08:29<rajeshsr>Aleric, nope If I get it then not a problem at all!
08:30<Aleric>rajeshsr: So what happens if you reboot?
08:30<rajeshsr>The system after BIOS screen gives this message, directly!
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08:31<rajeshsr>Aleric, The message is: No bootable device -- insert boot device and press any key
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08:31<Aleric>rajeshsr: And you are sure you have the BIOS set to try to boot from (the correct) harddisk?
08:31<jm_>sounds like a BIOS message
08:32<rajeshsr>Aleric, He has only 1 hard disk.
08:32<rajeshsr>jm_, Yep
08:32<EmleyMoor>OK - the correct hard disk would also mean "the correct part of the hard disk"
08:32<jm_>which means check for active partition is in order
08:33<Aleric>rajeshsr: Did you install grub on the MBR?
08:33<rajeshsr>jm_, hmm, I dint do that as I don't know abt it! I will read on active partitions and try to do it!
08:33<rajeshsr>Aleric, yep, I did
08:34<Aleric>rajeshsr: Did you mark the root partition as bootable?
08:34<Aleric>Or the /boot partition
08:34<rajeshsr>hmm, I usually do that! I have to check it out! I don't remember, what I did now..
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08:36<rajeshsr>Aleric, hmm that seems most probable. Actually, this time my friend did partitioning, he might have forgotten that! Lemme verify..
08:37<Aleric>I'm not sure that the grub menu would pop up anyway if you installed that in the MBR... but it's worth a try to get that right at least.
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08:39<Aleric>Goede middag.
08:39<lucas2>Goede middag :)
08:40<Aleric>I wish I could find this bug in synergys :/ ... it crashes often.
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08:40<Aleric>Anyone here who understands libX11 programming? :)
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08:43<lucas2>Does anyone know whether floppy images will become available for Debian-Installer in lenny?
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08:45<rajeshsr>Aleric, Is there any possibility of changing the boot flag without reinstalling?
08:45<rajeshsr>I can boot into Debian with Ubuntu CD
08:45<Aleric>Run fdisk on the disk
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08:46<Aleric>Then toggle the bootable flag and 'w' to write and exit (I thought it was 'w', use 'm' for help).
08:46<rajeshsr>Aleric, waugh, lots of things are doable with fdisk! It is time to learn abt it!
08:48<Aleric>rajeshsr: If you ever lose your partition table, I like fdisk most ;). I just fill in the same begin/end for all partition, rewrite the parition table ... and voila.
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08:48<lucas2>df -h
08:49<lucas2>sorry wrong terminal :)
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08:49<rajeshsr>Aleric, oh, cool!
08:50<rajeshsr>BTW, I wud like to add that this is my first IRC session with#debian!
08:50<rajeshsr>Really nice to leran so much!
08:50<rajeshsr>Thanks to u all!
08:51<jm_>it's even easier to just do sfdisk -d and save the output
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08:55<Aleric>jm_: Hmm, I think I'll make a backup with that now :). Especially of the RAID disks. It would be a horror to manually figure out their partition table.
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08:58<lucas2>Does anyone know whether Debian-Installer floppy images will ever become available in lenny?
08:59<rajeshsr>Another question, isn't MBR in 1st sector of hard disk. That means it should boot to GRUB regardless of the boot flag of the partition in which I installed Debian.
08:59<Aleric>lucas2: You already asked that, we don't know.
08:59<Aleric>rajeshsr: I'd think so yes.
09:00<Aleric>but it can't hurt to try.
09:00<Aleric>The first thing I'd do is reinstall grub on the MBR.
09:00<rajeshsr>Aleric, I did it!
09:00<Aleric>Well, the first thing I'd do is Google for how to do that. My memory is failing.
09:00<jm_>rajeshsr: no, bios checks if there's an active partition
09:00<rajeshsr>I used rescue mode to do it.
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09:02<rajeshsr>jm_, Can I check abt "active" partitions etc. and make it active with fdisk?
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09:04<jm_>rajeshsr: as already mentioned 4 times by now, yes
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09:05<gsimmons>lucas2: WRT lenny beta2 on i386, installation from floppy disk isn't supported (known issue). It was mentioned on the debian-boot ML that floppy images can't be built due to a kernel/upx incompatibility.
09:06<rajeshsr>jm_, ok, just now ran fdisk and saw that there is an option for boot flag but not for active partition. Thats the reason I asked. Am googling on it, now..
09:06<jurg>Uh, I did an upgrade on lenny, and now a few hundred packages (incluing several critical to gnome) are marked as "unrequired".
09:07<jurg>Can i manually mark packages as required?
09:07<Aleric>There is a factiod about that
09:07<enouf>rajeshsr: for all intents and purposes, boot flag == active partition (only mpoop needs an 'active' partition)
09:07<Aleric>I can't remember the factoid though :/
09:07<enouf>Aleric: i tried telling you much earlier, /msg dpkg listvals{listkeys} <keyword>
09:08<dpkg>Is aptitude trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
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09:08<Aleric>jurg: does that seem to help?
09:08<enouf>Aleric: are you looking for the rescue factoid? the fixmbr one?
09:08<enouf>oh, nm
09:08<Aleric>enouf: no, talking about/to jurg
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09:09<jurg>Aleric: lemme try
09:09<rajeshsr>enouf, oh! so boot flag and active partitions are same! I was ignorant of it completely! Thanks!
09:09<enouf>rajeshsr: that said, all MBRs will have a 55AA at bytes 511 and 512
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09:10<enouf>well, msdos partition table typeones anyways
09:10<jurg>Aleric: Yup, thanks, seemed to work, though my problem was with apt-get, not aptitude.
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09:10<Aleric>jurg: different front-ends to the same thing
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09:10<jurg>Aleric: I know, but the factoid-thing makes it look like its aptitude messing up.
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09:11<jm_>jurg: that's because apt-get didn't have this feature when the factoid was written
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09:38<chandu>Is there any chance of getting "Kernel Panic" error, after BIOS updatation
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09:54<knusper>i have a question on installing a bootsplash on lenny -
09:54<knusper>when i google bootsplash debian i get tons of results
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09:54<knusper>is there something like an official approved tutorial somewhere
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09:54<Frolic>knusper, try splashy or usplash
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09:55<Aleric>hmmpf. I'm using my own 'debian cheat sheet' *daily* ;). We should turn that url into a factoid.
09:55<knusper>nice ... needs no patches to the kernel
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09:56<Aleric>It explains about how to find things, and how to customize a debian package.
09:56<Frolic>knusper, yes, It's userland. :)
09:57<knusper>ok.... then i read the page and follow the instructions and hopefully it will work
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10:04<EmleyMoor>Any way to see the Debian installer in action as far as the available RAID config goes without a spare machine to try it on?
10:04<knusper>Frolic: i installed splashy and splashy-themes via aptitude ... now i am ready to reboot?
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10:04<petemc>EmleyMoor: would reading the install guide not suffice?
10:05<EmleyMoor>petemc: I've tried that - unless I was looking at the wrong one, it didn't actually say much about it
10:06<defrysk>knusper, add vga=791 ans splash to the kernel line in menu.lst
10:07<defrysk>slpashy that is
10:07<petemc>EmleyMoor: if you're just creating the raid now what have you got to lose by just trying it?
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10:07<padski>EmleyMoor, in a VM ?
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10:08<EmleyMoor>petemc: I'm not - I've not even got the hardware yet
10:08<petemc>oh right
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10:08<EmleyMoor>padski: Perhaps but I am not sure I've got one that can support enough disks
10:09<padski>EmleyMoor, virtual disks ?
10:09<knusper>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet vga=791 ans splash @defrysk
10:09<knusper>like this
10:09<defrysk>without the ans
10:09<EmleyMoor>padski: Yes - the only VM I've got can support four, one of which needs to be the CD at this stage
10:09<defrysk>and put it between ro and quiet
10:10<EmleyMoor>I'm about to try it with two and see what happens anyway
10:10<padski>EmleyMoor, leaves three :-)
10:10<defrysk>its splasy
10:10<defrysk>not splash
10:10<knusper>are you drunk?
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10:11<defrysk>stupid new keyboard
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10:11<defrysk>splashy vga=791
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10:11<knusper>ok .. saved
10:11<knusper>now ready to reboot?
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10:12<knusper>ok... cu
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10:12<Baggy2>When building canadian cross, is it a requirement that all the toolchains involved use the same version of glibc?
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10:15<knusper>this only seemed to work half
10:15*Shadowdancer tends to get system freezes with kernels after ~2.6.22 :-/
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10:15<Aleric>Baggy2: unlikely for C. For C++ you at least need the same major version, and only if that is 4 you have chance that it still works if the versions aren't exactly the same.
10:16<knusper>the resolution seems to be pimped up, but no graphic theme at all
10:16<defrysk>knusper, what packages did you install ?
10:16<knusper>splashy and splashy-themes
10:17<Aleric>baggy2: I'm not sure though; I just always use the exact same version for C++ to avoid problems.
10:17<defrysk>show me the kernel line of menu.lst
10:17<knusper>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro splashy vga=791 quiet
10:18<knusper>imagine the tab
10:18<knusper>after kernel
10:18<knusper>its there but was not send to irc
10:18<defrysk>ro vga=791 splashy quiet
10:18<knusper>you said the other way around
10:18<defrysk>i have to eat now
10:18<defrysk>my bad
10:18<knusper>so other way
10:19<knusper>i'll try
10:19<defrysk>back later and good luck
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10:19<knusper>says i need splash
10:19<knusper>not splashy btw.
10:20<knusper>i should have rtfm first
10:20<Baggy2>Aleric: ah.. you just confirmed my greatest fear.. I am compiling against the mingw runtimes, and it fails when trying to compile with a toolchain that uses glibc greater than 2.3.6
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10:21<knusper>trying to reboot now
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10:23<Aleric>Baggy2: Sorry, I misread your question :(. I was talking about the version gcc. In the case of glibc there is no need for them to be the same as far as I know. But I have no clue what you mean with canadian cross actually :p.
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10:23<Aleric>version of*
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10:24<Aleric>off topic:
10:24<Baggy2>Aleric: I am compiling a cross compiler on linux for windows that targets arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi
10:25<Aleric>Baggy2: when I hear 'windows' I slowly back off.
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10:36<dpkg>firewall is probably a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
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10:37<david_>anybody here using openpanel on etch?
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10:38<david_>whats the firewall like on etch?
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10:42<david_>what needs to be secured after a basic initial installation of etch?
10:43<david_>is there a check list anywhere?
10:43<Shadowdancer>not much usually...
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10:43<david_>sounds good
10:43<Shadowdancer>doesn't come with a lot of running services
10:43<Shadowdancer>just start it, and use netstat to check what is listening
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10:44<david_>ok, thanks
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10:48<Shadowdancer>sooo... doesn't look like there's any FS with on-the-run compression on the horizon
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10:49<Shadowdancer>except ZFS. Hooray.
10:49<EmleyMoor>That was rather unsuccessful
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11:05<CosmicB>anybody heard of grockmailer mta ?
11:06<david_>I only heard of exim today
11:06<david_>apparently I have to uninstall it if I want to install openpanel
11:07<petemc>you should be aware that if you dont have anything to provide mail-transport-agent the package system will break
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11:07<david_>thanks will take it up with openpanel
11:08<petemc>david_: if it comes with its own mta you can use equivs to tell the package system you have one installed
11:08<petemc>CosmicB: google hasnt, therefore i think its safe to say it doesnt exist
11:08<david_>asking now
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11:09<david_>goes too show you can never ask too many questions when setting up a server :)
11:09<CosmicB>petmec: ok thnx, it's just that I'm trying to trouble shoot some exim issues. This exim installation has problems communicationg with 1 host, and if I telnet to that host on port 25 it says ESMTP GrokMailer
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11:11<petemc>CosmicB: could be tls issues, you can use hosts_avoid_tls = host on the transport to disable it
11:11<david_>petemc, openpanel uses postfix apparently
11:11<CosmicB>petemc: hmm, sound like a good idea, thnx
11:12<ja>is this the group where I can find help with installing a debian wireless LAN?
11:12<petemc>david_: postfix is a great mta
11:12<tarzeau>ja: it's the irc channel
11:12<petemc>david_: installing the debian postfix package will remove exim for you
11:13<ja>tarzeau: you mean I have to join another channel?
11:13<tarzeau>ja: no
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11:14<ja>tarzeau: so all I have to do is go ahead and ask my tech questions?
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11:15<tarzeau>ja: yes
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11:16<ja>tarzeau: I've gotta go now but I'll be back later. See you.
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11:17<ja>tarzeau: one more question: is there a password I should have to login here?
11:17<tarzeau>ja: no
11:18<ja>tarzeau: tks heaven. Bye.
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11:47<krisje8>sheldonh , jm_ : Thank you, that worked
11:47<krisje8>never thought of that
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11:48<EmleyMoor>This is my last remaining etch box. I have spent some time stripping out as many "obsoleted" packages and orphaned packages as possible. Should that help to reduce the chance of problems when upgrading to lenny?
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11:50<kop>EmleyMoor : Sure. In my experience when you wait for lenny to become stable they'll be a comprehensive upgrade document that says just what problems come up and how to fix them. If you upgrade before then, you're sorta on your own.
11:51<EmleyMoor>kop: I have upgraded two already - but have had failed attempts on this one, including one that broke it totally
11:52<kop>I prefer stable. A little patience, wait a year and half, and lenny will be stable.
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11:53<EmleyMoor>This machine is beginning to fall to bits anyway - and I will put lenny on the replacement
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11:55*defrysk prefers sid on his desktop
11:55<b52laptop>any good sources.list for lenny ? :d
11:57*defrysk is very happy with openjdk on his 64bit machine with a working browserplug-in
11:57<EmleyMoor>I always adopt in "freeze" - have done for years
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11:59<EmleyMoor>I use stable on my PBX, laptop and general-purpose machine, except during the latter stages of a freeze. I also have one machine on testing, where it will remain until the release of one on which everything I want it to do works
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12:01<HelpAttacked>how can I view IPs of people connecting to webserver using netstat?
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12:04<david_>you should have a log somewhere I would have thought
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12:09<fadhil>I've been having a slight problem
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12:09<fadhil>apt-get dist-upgrade gives me an error when it's trying to configure openoffice
12:09<fadhil>something about perl and locales
12:09<fadhil>do i need to manually update perl first?
12:09<fadhil>before upgrading to lenny from etch?
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12:10<fadhil>and , as an aside, what happens IF your dist-upgrade has an error
12:10<fadhil>does everything roll back?
12:10<HelpAttacked>I blocked an IP '' baut it still appears in netstat... what can I do?
12:10<HelpAttacked>why doesnt iptables block it ?
12:10*weasel is not feeling generious today
12:10<weasel>"why don't you get a clue?"
12:11<weasel>fadhil: no, stuff stays broken
12:11<weasel>fadhil: there is no rollback feature. would be kinda nice but it's probably not trivial to add in the existing system.
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12:12<fadhil>weasel: so that means supposing it's gone configuring 20 or so packages before mucking up, those 20 or so packages are already upgraded, but whatever it stopped at and on will not be upgraded? yes?
12:13<weasel>fadhil: it's not guaranteed that those packages have properly been upgraded.
12:13<weasel>they might be in one of several states
12:13<fadhil>i see
12:13<weasel>your best bet is to try to continue the upgrade
12:13<david_>HelpAttacked, maybe it is blocked and netstat just sees it
12:13<fadhil>anyone had this problem upgrading from etch to lenny?
12:14<fadhil>weasel: will try it out again, probably after upgrading perl first
12:14<weasel>probably first by configuring already unpacked packages using dpkg --configure -a, then apt-get dist-upgrade if it works, apt-get install -f if not, or even more magic
12:14<weasel>fadhil: I've heard of it before, but I haven't encountered it myself.
12:14<weasel>fadhil: if you have any details I'm sure there's a place to report them
12:14<fadhil>thanks a bunch weasel!
12:15<fadhil>oh , and just to be sure, do you guys generally run dist-upgrades with your desktop running? or do you instead go to a console and kill all X stuff?
12:15<fadhil>is there a preference, or does it not matter?
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12:16<fadhil>that's a very terse answer, and I've no idea how to interpret it
12:16*weasel just loves or-questions.
12:17<fadhil>let me ask it this way
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12:17<fadhil>do you dist-upgrade without a desktop running?
12:17<Gathond>fadhil: I've never bothered closing down anything
12:18<Gathond>in general worst case shoudl be new stuff failing to start
12:18<fadhil>Gathond: and generally that's worked for me before, but was thinking if maybe i should try it at a console
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12:18<Gathond>fadhil: well there might be an advantage if you are low on diskspace
12:18<HelpAttacked>how can i count line in grep?
12:19<Gathond>as the deleted/replaced files won't actually disappear from the filesystem until the last filehandle to them closes
12:20<Gathond>so you might end up using some diskspace being used by the files the old running version uses
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12:21<fadhil>HelpAttacked: wc?
12:22<HelpAttacked>count lines by ip
12:22<HelpAttacked>I am running "netstat -ntp | grep 80"
12:22<HelpAttacked>need to get number of appearence of ip in document beside the ip
12:22<HelpAttacked>sort of getting distinct and then couting and sortking
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12:26<noob>buenas alguien sabe sobre rss?
12:26<noob>es que quiero que fluxtorrent me de los resultyados y el estado por rss
12:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:27<noob>pero cuando presiono en rss stats me manda una pagina en xml
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12:31<eisregen>this is my first time on irc, cause i have a prob with my debian
12:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:32<eisregen>since yesterday, all the fonts of my KDE software looks damn ugly: and my iceweasel shows all spaces like tabulators:
12:32<eisregen>i dont know what to do..
12:33<eisregen>im new with linux..
12:33<EmleyMoor>Did they not look ugly before?
12:34<eisregen>The kernel is newest version on amd64, wm is openbox3
12:34<EmleyMoor>(sorry, I have no way to see your images right now)
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12:34<EmleyMoor>What did you do in your last session before this happened?
12:35<eisregen>this happened yesterday.. i have loaded some c-libs via apt-get and when i restartet the apps they looked like this
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12:35<fadhil>oh, on my laptop a presario v3000, the fonts on my kde are super small. what package do i want to make nice looking fonts?
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12:36<eisregen>all the fonts are much to big i KDE software.. i can not reach the prob via configuration menus..
12:36<EmleyMoor>eisregen: It is probably something you installed yesterday then
12:37<eisregen>i installed only c-libs.. but with apt-get.. usually i use synaptic..
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12:50<HelpAttacked>what is ::ffff: in the netstat?
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12:51<darkness>So i'm on my mac and also ssh into my debian box which has a file i need on the mac. Best idea to transfer file?
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12:52<darkness>i've tried scp fuckers_00001_20050918202737
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12:54<Nemoder>hard to beat a simple http server for quick transfers
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13:10<erKURITA>darkness sftp ?
13:10<de>nao entendi?
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13:11<de>oi tudo bem eu falo portugues
13:11<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
13:12<defrysk> /join #debian-pt
13:12<darkness>erKurita: I did it :-)
13:13<de>join oi
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13:14<de>nao entendi
13:15<de>vou sair agora
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13:16<de>() de saio thau thau
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13:21<Shadowdancer>darkness: what happened when you tried the scp?
13:22<darkness>Shadowdancer. Well it worked soon as i turned on file sharing protocols on the mac
13:23<darkness>I don't like thinking
13:23<darkness>Makes my head hurt :-P
13:23<darkness>But when i put my mind to a task then :-)
13:24<darkness>Shadowdancer: You know a site where i can upload these files, so a friend can grab them?
13:25<Shadowdancer>there are a number of "spreaders" like e.g. Rapidshare (not an endorsement, they tend to suck)
13:26<HelpAttacked>can someone please help me sort the "netstat -ntp | grep 80" output by the number of ip occurances?
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13:51<|betanux|>hi administrateur
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13:56<jremi>Hello can someone help me out with a question I have regarding the installation of MagickWand
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13:59<jremi>what is the default PHP SOURCE DIRECTORY?
13:59<jremi>is it /usr/lib/php ?
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14:01<jremi>is the default php source directory /usr/lib/php ?
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14:07<ct|kyle>How come when i kill a screen in debian, the processes attached to it don't kill with it?
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14:17<EmleyMoor>Just tried to upgrade again and it went into that counting of dependencies thing... refused to waste any more time on it
14:18<EmleyMoor>I'll wait until we're either stable or I build the new machine (which will be a "from scratch" setup with the eventual copying over of all relevant configs)
14:19<EmleyMoor>If I feel the need for lenny I will use my laptop
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14:22<EmleyMoor>I could do with a list of packages installed on this system, together with brief descriptions, to help me decide what to put on the new one... but I can do that easily of course - it will just take time while I work out what's at the "top" of the chain
14:23<EmleyMoor>Do I get the impression a lenny system can give an idea of how far into the startup it is, in microseconds?
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14:23<cahoot>[ 83.030478] Registered led device: iwl-phy0:radio
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14:25<EmleyMoor>Yes, like that
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14:25<lupine_86>for those who were around last night (I forget your names, sorry) LVM is smart enough to cope
14:26<cahoot>that was a live example
14:26<EmleyMoor>I think my laptop is getting a funny address
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14:28<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... no inet4 address coming through
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14:29<EmleyMoor>dhcp server seems not to be getting requests from it
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14:31<EmleyMoor>Yes - looks like it's wandered off
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14:52<mindcry>hey, I am having an issue adding a prerouting command to iptables on a debian box, the command I am trying to run is.... iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
14:52<mindcry>nothing returns and doesnt add it to the chain
14:53<weasel>no news is good news.
14:53<weasel>and how do you know it's not added to the chain?
14:53<mindcry>iptables --list shows a blank chain
14:53<weasel>iptables --list shows you the filter table.
14:54<mindcry>is there another command to see routing?
14:55<weasel>do you know what your command does?
14:55<weasel>look closely at the first two arguments and think what they might be there for.
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14:55<as>short question: I have installed gcc-3.3.4 to /usr/local/bin/gcc-3.3.4/bin. What can I do to find it automatically? A symbolic link /usr/local/bin/gcc -> /user/local/bin/gcc-3.3.4/bin/gcc does not work!
14:55<mindcry>it should be forwarding everything that goes to port 80 to port 3128
14:56<weasel>mindcry: what does the '-t nat' do?
14:57<Gathond>weasel: -t nat selects the TABLE named 'nat' instead of the default which is 'filter'
14:57<newsense>as sym link to /usr/bin/
14:57<weasel>Gathond: _I_ know that.
14:57<Gathond>weasel: sorry
14:57<Gathond>ahhh that way, I mixed who started this, my bad
14:58<as>I am wondering because /usr/local/bin comes first in the path variable
14:59<mindcry>so then iptables -L -t nat lists it
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14:59<mindcry>and i see that I am a complete tool
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15:00<weasel>and enlightenment ensues
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15:03<as>Does anyone know in which direction Debian interprets the path variable? From left to right of right to left?
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15:06<as>newsense: This works, but I am not satisfied with this option. /usr/bin/gcc sould furthermore be the actual compiler version
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15:09<ansgar>as: Directories listed first in $PATH are also searched first.
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15:14<fantonio_br>I am still searching which the form of if to create a package .deb personalized of apache2, I want to use the version most current. But only that I want to personalize flags for my server, Somebody knows something?
15:15<as>ansgar, thank you!
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15:18<Frolic>fantonio_br, verify if sid packages is the lasted version, so get the source package, modify it, and rebuild.
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15:31<mindqaugas>Please Help ME! After apt-get upgrade i cant see my desktop i need to use GUI, i restart my debian i get GUI login form but after login nothing happens.. what i need to do ?
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15:32<mindqaugas>any advices ...
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15:34<mindqaugas>warrning ...
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15:34<chattr>mindqaugas: what's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? use
15:35<mindqaugas>let see, wait, but im now in windows how i show you pastebin log ?
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15:35<chattr>is he at a console ?
15:36<chattr>mindqaugas: go to and paste in your log file and click on the Send button. it makes a unique page, and you can tell us the url
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15:37<mindqaugas>ok, i know it but.. i have 2 pc now im chating in xp and problem is in debian how can i paste xorg.log if i dont have browser on my debian
15:38<chattr>is your Debian install on another machine ? if yes, can you ssh into the Debian machine from the xp machine ?
15:38<fugit>mindqaugas: you could use lynx or another cli based browser
15:39<fugit>mindqaugas: or better yet what chattr said (putty is an ssh client thats free and you can download).
15:39<mindqaugas>oh.. where can i find my shared network folder i think i can use cp into shared folder and get it here
15:40<mindqaugas>soory now i didnt know how to use putty
15:40<mindqaugas>i know that is for controll linux but nothing else
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15:44<chattr>mindqaugas: is your Debian machine's internet connection working ?
15:44<fugit>mindqaugas: you can use putty to ssh to your debian box from your windows box, thus allowing you to get to the logs. Google putty first hit will give more info
15:44<chattr>do you know how to get to a console ( ctrl-alt-F2 ) ?
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15:45<mindqaugas>yes im here now ;] seraching for something
15:45<chattr>you can email the Xorg.0.log file to your email address
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15:46<mindqaugas>wen i installing debian i get message something for mail can be instaled but i can try how to do this ?
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15:47<chattr>at the console, do ' mail [your_email_address] < /var/log/Xorg.0.log '
15:47<mindqaugas>ok i tring now
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15:47<chattr>that should send the log file to your email address and you could look at the email in windows
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15:48<m_101>hehe I've managed to finally install a debian on a Sparc
15:48<mindqaugas>yea i understand that ;]
15:48<m_101>still have to do some hacks to make it mount / correctly ....
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15:48<m_101>(Sparc are big headaches compared to PC ... ^^")
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15:52<mindqaugas>no mails in my mail bos and no spams, ok tring to use putty
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15:54<m_101>mmm, anyone having this error message at boot time : "Gave up on waiting for root device"
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15:54<m_101>the problem come from the qlaxxx firmware not being loaded
15:55<m_101>so I'm trying wget but no internet connection (strange ... it's detected through my router though)
15:55<m_101>so, I'm trying DHCP ... but no luck ... there nothing in initramfs ....
15:55<m_101>anyone would have a clue as how to get some stuff out of somewhere?
15:56<qq>mindqaugas: install pastebinit , and irssi , use "apt-cache show pastebinit " and " apt-cache show irssi" to see what thouse packages does
15:56<roy2019>i have a trouble with bind and resolver, when cache is empty i can resolv domain but after one hours this request don't work anymore
15:56<roy2019>any idea?
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15:57<m_101>pastebin it
15:57<kreeg>Hello ! I'm coming here to ask everyone here how to install another kernel on my Debian box
15:57<kreeg>And I haven't got a clue :S
15:57<roy2019>apt-cache search kernel image
15:57<m_101>make gconfig
15:58<roy2019>then apt-get install ………
15:58<kreeg>The nvidia driver rejects my kernel because of Xen
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15:58<kreeg>and I'm wondering whether installing another kernel will solve my problem
15:59<roy2019>what is your kernel now
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15:59<kreeg>i'll uname -r
15:59<kreeg>Will I have to use a previous version ?
15:59<m_101>install a vanilla kernel with xen disable
16:00<m_101>you have debian testing then right?
16:00<m_101>then build a vanilla kernel with xen turned off
16:00<m_101>boot on it and install the nvidia driver
16:00<kreeg>Seems hardcore :/
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16:00<kreeg>I'll give it a try
16:01<m_101>make gconfig, deselect XEN
16:01<kreeg>m_101: are you sure installing a previous version won't solve it ?
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16:01<m_101>it depends if you have stuff like iwl4965 ....
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16:01<m_101>it's available only with at least kernel 2.6.23
16:02<kreeg>I didn't have any problem with previous 2.6.24
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16:02<m_101>as I said it depends ... read my lines ....
16:02<Kreeg>I'll try this before guru-ing with a vanilla kernel :p
16:03<m_101>if you don't need the newest kernel use stable instead
16:03<Kreeg>that's what I'm doing :p
16:03<Kreeg>thanks for all :)
16:03<m_101>(but if you really need it and don't want to bother then take testing)
16:04<roy2019>and for my bind trouble
16:04<m_101>yeah no problem
16:04<Kreeg>m_101: I'm currently using testing
16:04<roy2019>any idea m_101 ?
16:04<Kreeg>m_101: and I've been using for a while
16:04<m_101>... I'm going back to the start point for my own problem now .... ><
16:04<Kreeg>m_101: I'm sorry I can't help :S
16:04<roy2019>i'm sorry but no idea about qlogic drivers
16:04<m_101>fucking pastebin roy2019 .....
16:04<m_101>ok Kreeg
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16:05<roy2019>sorry :o)
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16:05<m_101>sorry .... ^^" this Sparc has put some nerve on me .... it really is a headaches installing stuff on it ....
16:06<roy2019>m_101: you boot from device atache on qlogic ?
16:06<Kreeg>Didn't know Sparc Debian users actually existed :D
16:06<tarzeau>m_101: whag sparc is it?
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16:06<tarzeau>Kreeg: lists quite a bunch of them
16:07<roy2019>i use woody on ultra 10 but too slow
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16:07<Kreeg>Woody Oo
16:07<Kreeg>This is the stable release before Sarge ?
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16:08<Kreeg>roy2019: are you running a computosaur ?
16:08<roy2019>this server is only power on
16:09<roy2019>i don't want to put it on trash
16:09<m_101>Kreeg, ... we have some Sparc servers at my job place
16:09<Kreeg>m_101: running debian ?
16:09<m_101>it's a Sun Blade 1000, 2 x Ultra Sparc III (750 Mhz) supports 64 bit, OpenBoot 4.16.4
16:09<roy2019>solaris is quiet old way unix
16:10<m_101>yeas Kreeg ... I've managed to install Debian, but not to completely boot it
16:10<Kreeg>m_101: is this the problem you're trying to solve right now ?
16:10<m_101>at the boot, it doesn't detect the SCSI drive cauz' the qlaxxx drivers hasn't been kept from the installation process it seems
16:10<m_101>so I've got the initramfs prompt ....
16:11<m_101>yes Kreeg
16:11<roy2019>have ou tried a netinstall
16:11<Kreeg>was that a question ?
16:11<m_101>roy2019, it doesn't boot on CD
16:11<qq>m_101: your hard drive was partitioned (and formated ) initially by a sparc programe ?
16:11<m_101>(I've upgraded to the latest OpenBoot available for it)
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16:11<m_101>yes qq
16:12<m_101>but then in the installation process, I was able to load the qla2xxx driver 'cauz I had more commands than in the initramfs prompt
16:12<m_101>wget something ... give me 'bad address' message
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16:13<m_101>it's because it doesn't detect the internet connection .... it's quite strange because from another machine, I can see the Sun running ....
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16:13<m_101>(or it seems it's running ...)
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16:14<m_101>the arp command on another machine give me the ip address associated to the MAC address of the Sun Blade 1000 .... but no internet .... strange
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16:14<m_101>I'll try loading the driver from floppy ... but dunno if it'll work out
16:15<Kreeg>Does installing this kernel image (linux-image-2.6.25-2-486) will replace my current unsupported kernel ?
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16:15<Kreeg>m_101: I wish you good luck :/
16:15<lupine_86>Kreeg: it shouldn't do
16:15<lupine_86>it ought to put it right alongside the current kernel
16:15<m_101>yeah Kreeg .... been 2-3 days I'm on this stupid machine ><
16:16<Kreeg>lupine_86: and what if I ask grub to boot this image ?
16:16<m_101>Kreeg, watch your /etc/grub/menu.lst
16:16<m_101>and you'll see ;)
16:16<lupine_86>then you'll boot into the new kernel
16:16<Kreeg>m_101: well, I wasn't wrong this time
16:16<Kreeg>ok, that shall solve my problem
16:16<lupine_86>the default should be updated automatically when you install it
16:16<Kreeg>thanks !
16:16<m_101>whoops bad directory
16:16<m_101>it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
16:17<Kreeg>m_101: It's ok
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16:17<Kreeg>I already knew that
16:17<m_101>the default kernel is the first entry
16:17<m_101>you can edit it to put a boot password on it, ...
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16:17<Kreeg>m_101: I'll get rid of that xen thing
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16:17<lupine_86>exercises in pointlessness #1: grub boot passwords
16:17<m_101>you have to recompile or have another kernel without it to disable it I think ...
16:18<lupine_86>exercises in spelling #679: pointlesness
16:18<lupine_86>no, pointlessness is right?
16:18<Kreeg>m_101: that's what I'm doing :p
16:18<m_101>yeah lupine_86 ... it's illusionnal security though .... boot a livecd then mount the drive and bam no more passwords .... ;)
16:18<lupine_86>security is definitely the wrong word ;)
16:19<Kreeg>this is Ubuntu-like security :D
16:19<m_101>ok I'm going back to work
16:19<m_101>see you later guys ;)
16:19<lupine_86>if you want security, use pen & paper and sign all your communiques with lighter fluid and a match
16:19<Kreeg>see you
16:19<roy2019>see you
16:19<m_101>lol lupine_86
16:19<Kreeg>I don't use any of those Xen features
16:20<m_101>crypt all your data with cryptographic keys .... and try to remember the crypto key so it cannot be retrieve :p
16:21<mindqaugas>can anyone help i cant see desktop after login there is my Xorg.0.log
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16:21<Maulkin>m_101: not enough if you have physical access to the machine
16:22<m_101>yeah ... cold boot stuff ... ow
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16:23<mindqaugas>hey , now can anyone help ? like a before
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16:25<roy2019>Kreeg: add deb etch-backports main contrib non-free in your sourcelist file
16:25<roy2019>and install kernel linux-image-2.6-686 si tu a un proc intel
16:25<Kreeg>roy2019: pas besoin
16:26<Kreeg>roy2019: y'a une linux image sans xen dans mes dépôts testings
16:26<m_101>ah laquelle?
16:26<Kreeg>ahah :D
16:26<m_101>ça m'intéresse :D
16:26<Kreeg>la blague
16:26<Kreeg>je m'applique à parler anglais pour rien :D
16:27<Kreeg>celles avec xen sont indiquées
16:27<m_101>better speak english on this chan though because it's an english chan
16:27<dpkg>[fr] Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
16:27<m_101>I'll try that, but ... it's 486 but I don't think we really can see the differences ;)
16:27<Kreeg>m_101: roy2019 started to speak french before me :p
16:27<roy2019>sorry it's my fault
16:28<Kreeg>Is dpkg a bot ?
16:28<m_101>yeah I know ... but better speak english guys ;)
16:28<m_101>thks dpkg, but this chan is better ;)
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16:28<Kreeg>m_101: you're talking to a bot :D
16:28<m_101>perhaps lol
16:28<Kreeg>"[Whois] dpkg is (apt backup)"
16:29<m_101>but if it's really the case ... this bot is quite good ^^
16:29<Kreeg>m_101: syntax error : 'lol' forbidden
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16:32<Kreeg>see you guys
16:32<Kreeg>gotta reboot
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16:34<mindqaugas>zzz what can i do :// with desktop :/
16:35<roy2019>grrr i don't understand where is my problem, i even can't logged the trouble. I hate DNS
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16:36<roy2019>i try to change timeout value in /etc/resolv.conf but the server don't take my new value
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16:41<h2>Am I missing something in advanced install options, the last test installs from businesscard installer I've done have exposed two strange things, both fairly serious: 1, I can see no way to avoid reformatting swap, which means that any other system mounting swap by uuid will have a mount failure, and, more problematic, when you pick 'install grub to partition root, not mbr', the original disk formatting didn't tell you the id, ie, /dev/hda5,
16:41<h2>of the / partition when you made it, and the grub installer doesn't have that either, making it essentially impossible to know what your actual partition id is
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16:41<roy2019>bye i need to leave
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16:43<h2>Also, in text mode install, I could avoid reformatting / or whatever, but in gui mode, I couldn't find a way to avoid that.
16:45<olh>I think that it will ask before copy the system, will not?
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16:49<h2>olh, it asks, but minus the key information of where root is
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16:50<h2>that one totally caught me by surprise
16:50<olh>hmm =\
16:50<h2>I would have expected the installer to have retained that information
16:50<h2>and to offer it as default etc
16:50<b52laptop>ppl anybody can find ruby panel from apt ?
16:50<b52laptop>in lenny
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16:50<h2>and there's no way to get the information since the installer cd is in the cdrom
16:50<h2>and you can't exit
16:52<h2>with etch, this was / is an even more significant issue, since newer systems can't even boot off etches grub in mbr
16:52<h2>as I discovered in testing
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16:54<qq>using Alt+F2 , (F3) may help to pass commands
16:54<h2>qq: is that available in the isntaller? I didn't think of trying that
16:54<h2>can you for example do: cfdisk /dev/hda?
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16:55<h2>but that's pretty obscure
16:55<h2>nobody would actually know this
16:55<h2>seems like the installer should offer this information, since it already knows what your root was because you picked it
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16:55<h2>just passing along a global value
16:55<h2>and echoing it
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16:56<h2>qq is there any way to stop the overwrite, reformatting of swap?
16:57<m_101>if you've readed a little bit the manual ... you'll know ;)
16:57<hollo>hi.. im looking for some software which can detect ip conflicts on the network.. are there anyone how has had some simulair problem?
16:57<h2>m_101: I've read much of it
16:57<h2>but I don't have that kind of memory
16:58<h2>and it's not unreasonably to expect an installer to have this information readily available
16:58<h2>since it already has it internally
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16:58<h2>most of the rest of installer is completely clear and intuitive if you understand how a system works
16:59<qq>even more , you may enter in the new system by chroot to do things , preferably just after installer is finished
16:59<h2>qq: ah, even more tricks
16:59<h2>I was wondering what you could do pre reboot
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17:00<h2>I'll have to poke around with that
17:00<qq>change kernel
17:00<h2>although that wouldn't really help most people in most cases, but it is good to know you can do it
17:00<m_101>you can do a lot of things preboot ... but need to figure out what ;)
17:00<h2>I actually sort of like the debian installer, but I think these two issues are bugs, both of which would be quite trivial to fix
17:01<h2>m_101: yes, like adding vga=791, that's good to know too
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17:01<h2>I always have to add that at reboot, then reboot to get a full console display
17:01<h2>so I can skip that step too, that's good
17:02<h2>so does alt+f2 bring up a terminal?
17:02<m_101>yes a simple shell
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17:02<h2>oh, good
17:02<m_101>and then you can get all you need with wget
17:02<h2>that's very good to know
17:02<m_101>better wait the installer to configure everything till the partition prompt
17:02<h2>does the shell have the basic commands?
17:02<m_101>then alt+f2
17:02<qq>+ alt+f3
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17:02<h2>oh, ok
17:04<h2>as long as there's some way to get around the issues I don't really care, my non tech friends won't be doing this any time soon
17:05<m_101>haha yeah .... but if the sparc were easier to install ... I won't say no ;)
17:05<h2>well, I did lose some hours on this yesterday
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17:05<h2>it wasn't particularly productive, but I did realize that you can't put the etch grub on mbr if you multiboot with newer grubs
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17:06<h2>oh, speaking of which, does anyone know of a grub-gfxboot package that works on etch?
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17:06<h2>an older one?
17:06<h2>url, etc?
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17:07<qq>with "chroot target " ones may configure/ add programmes as is wished ...all preboot
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17:07<h2>qq, oh, great, let me note that
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17:09<Kreeg>m_101: so
17:09<m_101>I actually searching how to mount some Sparc SCSI drive ;)
17:09<Kreeg>I found a patch
17:09<m_101>no haven't resolvec my problem yet
17:09<Kreeg>causing new errors
17:10<m_101>a patch for what?
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17:10<Kreeg>m_101: nvidia installer
17:10<Kreeg>m_101: and it seems there are new solutions
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17:11<qq>m_101: are you sure that driver "qlogic" in built-in in kernel ?
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17:11<h2>Kreeg: what are you trying to do?
17:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper
17:12<Kreeg>h2: to compile a nvidia kernel module for 2.6.25-2-486
17:12<Kreeg>almost done
17:12<m_101>qq just need to load the qla2xxx driver
17:12<qq>s/ in built-in / is built-in
17:12<m_101>I'm trying to mount the drive to install manually the firmwares on it
17:12<h2>Kreeg: using the debian method in sid or testing?
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17:12<h2>or the nvdia run binary thing?
17:13<Kreeg>using the proprietary driver
17:13<h2>is it working?
17:13<Kreeg>almost found out
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17:13<qq>m_101: make sure it is built-in in kernel used for boot, not as module I means
17:13<h2>it requires a patch
17:13<Kreeg>but didn't have the opportunity
17:13<m_101>qq ... ow ... don't wanna to cross compile a vanilla kernel .... ><
17:13<Kreeg>h2: which I applied
17:14<m_101>I dunno how to check that
17:14<Kreeg>h2: it causes new errors that I'm trying to solve
17:14<defrysk>a patch ?
17:14<m_101>but it's Sparc testing
17:14<Kreeg>defrysk: do you want an url ,
17:14<defrysk>to do with 2.25 compatibility ?
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17:16<m_101>ok, see you guys .... I'm going to get some lunch ;)
17:16<qq>m_101: cat /boot/config-'uname-r' | grep qla2
17:16<defrysk>or is the xen issue still there in 2.6.25 ?
17:16<m_101>mmm qq .. where? in the installer or the initramfs prompt?
17:17<h2>defrysk: the xen issue is there
17:17<defrysk>thought so
17:17<Kreeg>defrysk: I got rid of the xen kernel
17:17<Kreeg>since I don't use xen features
17:18<m_101>you'd better keep it in case the other kernel breaks
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17:18<qq>an any machine , wget sparc kernel , use "dpkg -x sparc kernel' , and " cat /boot/config-'uname-r' | grep qla2"
17:18<qq>m_101: ^^^
17:19<defrysk>i believe is you run the .sh of nvidia you have to add something like ignore-xen=1 or something
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17:19<Kreeg>m_101: that shouldn't happen
17:19<Kreeg>defrysk: no
17:19<Kreeg>I installed a kernel without xen
17:19<h2>defrysk: it takes more than that
17:19<m_101>ok qq, I'm goind to try that
17:19<h2>one more step
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17:20<m_101>we never know Kreeg ;=
17:20<m_101>better prevent that heal it
17:20<defrysk>h2, i used to use nvidia but luckily i have an ati now
17:20<h2>defrysk: in the future I'll buy older atis
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17:20<defrysk>good plan
17:20<h2>r500 series should be good
17:21<h2>in a year 3d radeonhd support should be pretty solid for that series
17:21<m_101>and if it isn't qq, how do I cross compile a kernel for it and put it on the machine ??? .... by flopy?
17:21<m_101>(it doesn't boot on CDs or DVDs)
17:21<h2>or laptops with intel
17:22<qq>m_101: usually we use nfs to boot such machine, i suppose ...
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17:23*defrysk has a laptop with intel chipset
17:24<defrysk>install is a breeze and everything works out of the box
17:24<m_101>ow .... what a hassle ><
17:24<m_101>I've booted it with TFTP .... ow .... I must set up a NFS server now ... ><
17:24<qq>heh is a true unix machine ...
17:24<m_101>defrysk, ... install on SPARC ... is hell ....
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17:25<defrysk>no thanks
17:25<m_101>true .... relative ...
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17:25*defrysk lived in hell years ago .... gentoo :>
17:25<qq>more than a pc ...
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17:26<qq>m_101: or use a serial console + screen (I'm away ....)
17:27<m_101>^^" .... I don't have a null modem
17:27*defrysk goes to bed
17:27<mim><mim> hello ! i need to recompile a package which is installed by
17:27<mim>[22:11:27] <mim> *.deb file. per apt-get its installable but the sources i cant compile
17:27<mim>[22:12:04] <mim> also its same there a way to recompile deb file ?
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17:27<qq>m_101: have to make ones , maybe
17:28<Kreeg>I've solved my problem
17:28<Kreeg>by downloading up to date drivers :D
17:28<mim>is same version btw
17:28<Kreeg>no need for patch hacks
17:28<m_101>... mmm qq .... dunno if we still have some serial cable out there
17:28<Kreeg>just downloaded the latest version
17:29<Kreeg>It worked like a charm
17:29<h2>which one?
17:29<h2>177.67, or the 173 stuff?
17:29<h2>or legacy ones?
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17:35<qq>m_101: try to add "mode=qla3XXX" at kernel comande line , maybe it work ...
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17:36<qq>or module = , not sure right name to use
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17:40<eisregen>Hello there..
17:41<eisregen>is here someone how knows about encrypted lvms?
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17:42<m_101>at kernel command line?
17:42<m_101>what do you mean qq?
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17:43<qq>m_101: see >>>cat /proc/cmdline
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17:43<eisregen>hello out there...
17:44<cliff>hi everyone. I,m new to debian. Need to add debian-multimedia repo. How do ido that?
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17:44<eisregen>hey cliff..
17:44<eisregen>wait... i look into my sources.list
17:45<eisregen>deb stable main
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17:45<cliff>thanks a lot
17:45<qq>m_101: or add it to the end of the line " kernel /boot/vmlinux .... ro quiet " in cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
17:45<eisregen>np ;P
17:45<m_101>mmm qq .... I don't have access to disk .....
17:45<eisregen>i am also new..
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17:45<eisregen>to debian
17:46<m_101>need to load the drivers before modifying the files on the disk to put the driver in ...
17:46<m_101>quite the egg and the chick ...
17:46<m_101>ok see you later ... really I must go luncj ><
17:46<qq>in grub boot , type "e" for editting grub
17:46<eisregen>i need to reinstall my debian into an encryptet lvm partition without creation of a new lvm..
17:46<cliff><eisregen>: oh that's ok)) i just changed from ubuntu - a bit buggy for me - debian slightly differs
17:47<eisregen>cliff: d
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18:19<cliff>what command should i use to print out installed version of debian?
18:19<dmoerner>cliff, cat /etc/debian_version
18:19<sime>you may be able to find out with the content of /etc/apt/source.list
18:20<dmoerner>cliff, a sure-fire way to do it is "aptitude install lsb-release && lsb_release -a"
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18:20<cliff><dmoerner>: oh it prints only number 4.0 and i'm interested in release also (i mean r2 or r3)
18:21<dmoerner>cliff, if you are aptitude safe-upgraded, you are at the latest release
18:21<dmoerner>there is no way per se to know which "minor revision" you originally installed with, as far as i know
18:21<dmoerner>why does it matter?
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18:22<cliff>i just ask for information, nevermind
18:22<tcsetattr>if you've done an update && upgrade lately, you're on the latest "r"
18:22<cliff>do i have to do full or safe upgrade?
18:23<dmoerner>99% of cases safe-upgrade will work
18:24<tcsetattr>the version of the tzdata package usually changes with each "r", that'd be something to look for
18:24<n3kl>Is this the official debian support channel?
18:25<n3kl>Do you guys have any affiliation to freenode #debian?
18:25<dmoerner>n3kl, debian made the freenode -> oftc switch but #debian never really migrated. dpkg has the same factoids for both channels
18:25<dpkg>from memory, freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
18:25<dmoerner>!fact sharing
18:25<dpkg>[fact sharing] I show the same facts on both freenode and OFTC. If you update a fact on one network, it will show up on the other network
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18:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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19:16<cliff>hi. Have a question. What is the difference between Linux-image-2.16-6.i486 and linux-image-2.16-6.i686?
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19:18<dmoerner>cliff, where did you get those packages? they aren't in debian
19:19<lupine_85>a few processor optimisations
19:19<lupine_85>notably, the -686 image won't run on a 486
19:20<dmoerner>486 does not support dual cores, for instance, and you should generally prefer 686 for everything but a real 486
19:20<abrotman>cliff: those kernels aren't in debian
19:20<lupine_85>does anyone even *have* a 484 any more?
19:20<abrotman>lupine_85: i've got one here
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19:20<dmoerner>lupine_85, i have one, although it's not turned on
19:20<abrotman>lupine_85: and it runs etch
19:20<dmoerner>and doesn't run debian either
19:20<qq>me too
19:20<lupine_85>stupid keyboard
19:21<cliff><dmoerner>: i made spelling mistakes. I just installed nvidia-glx and then upgraded my system, after that nvidia failed to load. When i try to install it again it wants to download 486 kernel and install it. And now i have 686. Don't know what to do
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19:21<abrotman>cliff: uname -a .. what does it say ?
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19:21<cliff>Linux dhcppc0 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 21:31:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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19:22*abrotman wonders if dhcppc0 is a server ..
19:22<abrotman>cliff: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner
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19:22<cliff><abrotman>: and what will this do?
19:23<abrotman>read it and see
19:23<cliff>abrotman>:how do i read it?
19:23<abrotman>cliff: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner
19:23<cliff><abrotman>:don't see anything
19:24<dmoerner>dpkg, tell cliff about nvidia one-liner
19:24<abrotman>check another window .. the bot msged you
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19:32<dpkg>iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
19:32<abrotman>!tell chahibi_ about msg the bot
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19:59<enouf>ugh .. apt-get -s install gnash == 34 upgraded, 29 newly installed, 12 to remove O_o
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20:00<m_101>mmm, I wanted to know if it's possible to gerenate a custom TFTP debian image?
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20:09<enouf>So .. if one sees this--> if (playerVersion.major >= 9 && playerVersion.minor >= 0 && playerVersion.release >= 40) { [..] else { // No Flash [..] player_area.innerHTML = "You must have a recent version of Adobe Flash Player installed ... <--then one can pretty much think gnash won't work? And why the hell does p.d.o not show neither gnash nor flashplugin-nonfree ?
20:09<dmoerner>enouf, p.d.o is broken and shows zero unstable packages right now i believe
20:10<enouf>but my cache shows both, and i ... ahh .. thanks
20:10<dmoerner>yeah they had a discussion about it on #debian-devel like 25 min ago
20:11<enouf>dmoerner: ok, no prob then, thanks again ..
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20:12<dmoerner>experimental is broken as well
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20:16<enouf>Well.. i have this dilemma .. i'd really rather not go the route of "34 upgraded, 29 newly installed, 12 to remove" just to find out it doesn't work with the site i have in mind (, public cable, go figure) and likely breaking something else just from that installation/upgrade
20:16<enouf>vs installing the flashplugin-nonfree (which is 1 pkg only needing installation) .. but ugh, i loathe that crap too - and i'm only going to try and get it to work with links2 O_O .. no Firepoop here ;-)
20:17<enouf>unless someone has a CWS disassembler available that i could just d/l a 128 SWF file, which has the real FLV encoded URL that i can then grab ... ugh
20:20<enouf>0000000: 4357 5309 d969 0500 789c ecbd 093c 945f CWS..i..x....<._ <-- ugh, it's not even code that linux understands, afaict ... it's micropoop ActiveX crap?
20:20<enouf>$ file v8.swf
20:20<enouf>v8.swf: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 9
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20:23<enouf>Does anyone know if Konqueror only can use Netscape plugins? (note; nspluginwrapper, and info i've seen in konq config settings)
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20:24<avu>enouf, there are also 'native' konqueror plugins
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20:25<enouf>avu: thanks - and are those just for konqueror?
20:25<avu>I think there are even a few provides with KDE by default?
20:25<avu>provided even
20:26<enouf>ok .. hrm, well gnash says it's for "browser plugin for Firefox, Mozilla, and Konqueror" .. and i know links2 can use some netscape plugins .. but i'm not sure what/how this gnash is made
20:26<avu>what the gnash people mean is that they provide a mozilla plugin AFAIK
20:27<avu>which makes it usable for konqueror through nspluginwrapper
20:27<enouf>i guess i'm trying to figure out ... oh?
20:27<enouf>avu: no nspluginwrapper is not only for 64bit compatibility then?
20:27<avu>erm, no
20:28<avu>otherwise there wouldn't be any flash in konqueror at all
20:28<enouf>ok, well i never used any plugins, or wrappers :-P
20:28<avu>it's for running mozilla plugins
20:28<enouf>avu: well, see, i didn't know you could even have flash in konq until about 2 minutes ago :-)
20:28<avu>ah :)
20:28<avu>well, you can (:
20:29<qq>konqueror-plugin-gnash - free Flash movie player - Plugin for Konqueror
20:29<enouf>haha .. but only through gnash and the plugin i guess ,...
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20:29<enouf>hrm .. this atleast gives me some other choices .. hrm
20:29<avu>the adobe flash plugin works fine in konqueror as well
20:29<avu>provided you are using the right platform
20:29<enouf>yeah 32bit here only
20:30<avu>us ppc people are left in the woods as always :)
20:30<enouf>that sucks
20:30<avu>nah, I have to deal with flash at work, it's quite ok that I don't have it at home ;-)
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20:30<enouf>haha ;-)
20:31<enouf>avu: which ppc? old world? new world? ppc64?
20:31<avu>new world, G4
20:31<enouf>qq: thanks for the info - will look into that
20:32<enouf>avu: ahh.. not so bad for speed then ;-)
20:32<avu>enouf, could be better but it's ok, yeah
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20:32<enouf>avu: hrm, did they ever release Dual CPUs for the g4? or was that the g5 only?
20:33<avu>enouf, I think that was G5 only, don't take my word for it though
20:33<enouf>righto - no biggy
20:33<avu>I only use their laptops
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20:33<avu>and those never had SMP ;-)
20:33<enouf>well, i like to see other/all arches fully supported
20:33<enouf>avu: haha ..
20:34<Dewente>i need a good book of redhat !
20:34<enouf>go away
20:34<avu>Dewente, this is #debian.
20:34<avu>(and sparta!)
20:35<b52laptop>is there any desklet non python based ?
20:35<Dewente>avu, do you know where can i find a irc channele
20:35<avu>Dewente, this is still #debian. not #redhat and also not #yellow-pages :(
20:36<cockroach>!red hat
20:36<dpkg>red hat is probably apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install sarge
20:36<Dewente>avu, recommend me an administration books so
20:37<enouf>ugh ... so same thing for trying to install just konqueror-plugin-gnash -> 38 upgraded, 30 newly installed, 13 to remove .. and if i can help it, i'd really like to get any plugin working with links2, i hate having to fire up konq
20:38<avu>enouf, I don't think there's any way in hell you are going to get a flash plugin working with links2?
20:38<avu>enouf, does it even support plugins?
20:38<enouf>avu: i know, but i gotta try - acroread works with it ;-)
20:38<enouf>avu: well, kind of - yep
20:39<avu>enouf, ah, that's a mozilla plugin, right?
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20:39<avu>enouf, then other mozilla plugins might work as well?
20:39<avu>enouf, like, well, gnash? :)
20:39<enouf>avu: no, i installed acroread the pkg
20:39<avu>enouf, yes, and that contains a mozilla plugin
20:39<enouf>see, not sure .. i'm not using any plugins yet really, just deferring it to a separate application
20:40<avu>ah, or are you just starting the external program when encountering a pdf?
20:40<avu> Most other Unix plugins are developed specifically to run inside Netscape, so cannot be invoked with Links.
20:40<enouf>i hate having to use acroread, but all others are so dog dog slow on my p2 :-/
20:40<avu>is what the page says
20:40<avu>so no luck I guess
20:41<avu>acroread is faster than xpdf?
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20:41<enouf>avu: but it also says; "A few of the so-called browser plugins that work for Netscape will also work for Links. This section describes how to configure two of the more popular client applications:"
20:41<enouf>avu: not to mention , that page is from circa ~2000 ?
20:41<avu>enouf, well, the page does not really set up plugins
20:42<enouf>avu: a ton faster here - and xpdf just like ,. well, it's stupid or ugly or something
20:42<avu>it just defines external applications to start when certain content types are encountered?
20:42<enouf>avu: i know :-(
20:42<avu>gnash does contain a standalone player though IIRC
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20:43<enouf>avu: well, how about the flashplugin-nonfree .. gah - that's a plugin too...
20:43<avu>yes. and this method won't work for most flash usages anyway
20:43<avu>since in most cases, you won't have a link to a .swf file but something embedded in a page
20:43<enouf>avu: well, sure, but apt-get -s install gnash wants to "34 upgraded, 29 newly installed, 12 to remove" on me
20:43<avu>often using javascript and SWFObject these days
20:44<avu>enouf, swfdec is another alternative
20:44<enouf>avu: i can dig out the SWF link ;-)
20:44<avu>enouf, or bringing your installation up to date ;)
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20:44<enouf>not an issue
20:44<enouf>the issue is; getting the FLV file
20:44<enouf>avu: wait, what?
20:45<avu>oh, if you just want to watch videos from youtube and the like, use clive
20:45<avu>that's what I use for those sites on my ppc machine
20:45<enouf>avu: whatn can i expect to give me back from a file header like 0000000: 4357 5309 d969 0500 789c ecbd 093c 945f CWS..i..x....<._ ?
20:45<enouf>avu: $ file v8.swf
20:45<enouf>v8.swf: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 9
20:46<avu>.swf is a container format
20:46<avu>it can contain basicly anything
20:46<enouf>avu: no, Youtube is no issue ;-)
20:46<enouf>!youtube script
20:46<dpkg>from memory, youtube script is see so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Recently updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality
20:46<avu>well, clive does much more sites than just youtube
20:46<enouf>and i only use it in mplayer ;-)
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20:46<enouf>no browsers, no plugins
20:46<enouf>but they give you the link to the FLV
20:47<avu>and yes, clive is also a command line program that downloads the video directly without use of a browser
20:47<enouf>avu: that SWF file doesn't contain the video though - it's only 128K in size
20:47<avu>yeah, most sites just load an external video in .flv or .mp4 format via http
20:48<enouf>i just have no idea what it contains :-/
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20:48<enouf>will swfdec help decipher that?
20:48<avu>swfdec is a free flash player just like gnash
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20:49<enouf>they broke my interwebs! damn you Senator Ted!
20:49<enouf>you dump you
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20:49<avu>there are tools that let you browse/unpack .swf files but I don't know any free ones
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20:49<avu>(whicih doesn#t mean that there aren't any of course)
20:49<tcsetattr>"flasm" is the disassembler for the swf files. but don't get your hopes up, the result is harder to read than *real* assembly code.
20:49<tcsetattr>apt-get install flasm :)
20:49<enouf>avu: anyways, all this nonsense is making me hungry - thanks for the convo and info and the tips
20:50<avu>tcsetattr, well, it should at least unpack the assets contained in the .swf nicely if it's a decent tool?
20:50<enouf>tcsetattr: haha .. welp, i might give it a try ;-) thanks
20:50<avu>sure, as3 bytecode is not really readable
20:50<tcsetattr>flasm -d foo.swf | grep flv might work, but usually the full URL of the flv is built up from many little pieces and you have to follow the control flow if you want to recover it without running the code
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20:51<avu>also, with most video sites, that won't give you any hint about the link to the .flv anyway
20:51<avu>since that works with passing parameters to the .swf from the html/javascript code on the page
20:51<avu>or by loading an external playlist
20:52<avu>at least that's how it worked on the sites I wrote download scripts or clive patches for
20:52<enouf>i have many of those js scripts ;-) i just have a hard time getting any useful info from them .. but together with other tools , might fall all into place
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20:52<avu>easiest way to get it all together is to use firebug or wireshark on a machine with flash player installed
20:53<enouf>here's one such script but there are others too
20:53<avu>and look at the requests made when watching a video
20:53<enouf>i'm considering that as well .. indeed
20:53<avu>enouf, wow, that's ugly. and totally useless :)
20:53<m_101>flasm is quite a nice desassembler :p
20:54<enouf>avu: that's nothing! .. wait ;-)
20:54<m_101>(for flash i mean)
20:54<upsilon>I installed the mozilla-mplayer package but it's not showing up in about:plugins in Iceweasel, what else do I need to do to make it load the plugin/s?
20:55<avu>enouf, yeah, as I said, I also wrote code for clive to support another site and a script that downloads movies from yet another site and a little tool for fun that downloads from 5 pages :)
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20:55<avu>upsilon, have you restarted iceweasel after completing the plugin's installation?
20:56<enouf>gah, don't you need to either remove/refresh plugins.dat or something? or symlink something?
20:56<avu>upsilon, the BTS has some bugs that might be of interest to you? what version of debian are you using?
20:57<enouf>avu: way cool - i will be picking that brain of yours .. soon ;-) thanks
20:57<avu>upsilon, yeah, check the BTS then
20:58<avu>(not that I know one of those bugs is the problem you're having, it just seems like there might be some similar from a quick look over the mozilla-mplayer buglisting)
21:00<upsilon>ah, I think I found the one I got
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21:01<enouf>upsilon: have you read the docs that come with the pkg? dpkg -L mozilla-mplayer
21:01<upsilon>not yet
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21:08<upsilon>hm, copying the plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to ~/.mozilla/plugins worked, wonder why it didn't install them in ~/ in the first place
21:08<shilow>can someone help me my system puked real bad, my grub kicked up errors and woulnd't boot after a surge and i got the drive mounted and ran fsck and its all good but i lost grub so i installed a base install on a 10 gig drive and i cant find how to reinstall grub on my other drive from a new install
21:09<enouf>upsilon: curious, do the docs mention to do that? or the bug report? or .. i guess you could've made a symlink too instead?
21:09<avu>upsilon, no package ever installs something in any user's home directory
21:09<enouf>true dat
21:10<upsilon>ah, that's probably a better thing to do I suppose
21:10<enouf>shilow: do you have a debian installation cd?
21:10<enouf>!rescue mode
21:10<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see
21:10<shilow>yea i have one but when i boot with it it dumps and freezes
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21:11<enouf>how did you manage the base install then? ... is that other HDD in the same machine?
21:11<shilow>if i want to run a deep scan with fsck whats the best args?
21:11<shilow>i was able to mount the drive
21:11<enouf>well, you can install and run grub from there
21:12<shilow>i ran fsck but it seemed to be too quick
21:12<shilow>thats what i was asking
21:12<shilow>only thingi found is an install form a knoppix cd
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21:13<enouf>shilow: at what point does the debian installation CD freeze? and did you install Debian base-install on other HDD?
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21:13<enouf>or knoppix?
21:13<b52laptop>someone could past his sources.list
21:13<b52laptop>for lenny
21:13<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
21:14<shilow>cant remember exactly
21:14<shilow>i'll try again and write it down
21:14<enouf>shilow: if you can get to the boot prompt, type 'rescue'
21:14<shilow>be right back
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21:16<dpkg>pkgconfig is, like, in, or a helper tool used when compiling applications and libraries.
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21:21<enouf>chattr: were you looking for chkinstall? or maybe stow? i've not used any of those so far ..
21:22<chattr>thanks, no. I was trying to help someone elsewhere with a compile question. he tried #gtk but there wasn't anyone awake
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21:30<shilow>well i'm back, when i load it in rescue mode it'll shut the drive off for a second and it wont recognize it yet i'm able to mount it now and it's fine and copied off all my data from my home folder
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21:36<enouf>avu: tcsetattr m_101 ugh .. "Flasm does not and may never work with Flash 9 files since Flash 9 is a new virtual machine and support for it would mean a full rewrite."
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21:37*enouf beats, punches and tases adobe
21:37<lugh>Algum brasileiro aqui? qual canal do debian brasil?
21:38<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:38<enouf>lugh: or ask here in inglese ;-)
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21:45<enouf>shilow: i don't know what to make of what you told me recently ..
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21:45<shilow>well when it load form rescue it kind of resets i heat the drive reset then it wont detect
21:45<shilow>i thin the drive is failing
21:46<enouf>shilow: perhaps, you shouldn't be hard resetting often like that
21:46<shilow>i dont i got a surge
21:46<enouf>shilow: a one time power surge? still happening now?
21:47<shilow>looks like its just tim eit's a 4 year old drive
21:47<enouf>shilow: i'm on a 9 year old drive .. but all drives are different
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21:47<shilow>i'm going to just use it as a door prop ;p
21:48<shilow>it's an old wd 60 gig
21:48<enouf>and heat is the biggest point of failure if it doesn't die within the 1st few days say
21:48<m_101>ok enouf ... but if it's necessary ... they'll do it (he flasm dev)
21:48<shilow>i think thats the reason i didn't put a space between them int he bay
21:48<m_101>btw, I'd like to know where is stored the preseed configuration after loading?
21:48<enouf>well, once you get your data backed up - it might make sense to run smartmontools pkg on it - and WD diagnostic utilities
21:48<enouf>shilow: ^^^^^
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21:50<enouf>m_101: well, that's all good .. and i wouldn't blame him if he didn't ever .. since i loathe all this proprietary crap .. and rather not support it in any way - I'm likely going to be sending some nasty emails to these sites
21:50<enouf>m_101: did you install using preseed?
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21:51<m_101>not yet ... I'm going to
21:51<enouf>m_101: there's info about it in the installation guide, and possibly on
21:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or, or
21:51<m_101>I can't manage to get this driver writing on disk and loading it .... I've put it on disk in the right dir using rescue mode of the debian installer
21:52<m_101>I've already read that
21:52<m_101>thx anyway ....
21:52<enouf>m_101: perhaps scan the debian-boot archives on ?
21:53<m_101>ow ....
21:53<m_101>it's been something like 4 days I'm trying to install and boot this fucking SPARC .... ><
21:53<enouf>sparc? O_o
21:53<m_101>I've been reading a lot of docs .... and still going ... that's really crazy
21:54<enouf>well, i certainly am of no use there
21:54<m_101>on PC, it takes me 30 minutes ....
21:54<m_101>I've booted it in TFTP, managed to install it on disk
21:54<enouf>is there a #debian-sparc channel?
21:54<m_101>then copied the firmware for the SCSI controller in /lib/firmware .... and still getting this initramfs prompt at start ..... ><
21:55<m_101>going to search for that
21:55<enouf>well, might need to add support for controller and FS in the initrd
21:55<m_101>yeah ... I've been trying that
21:56<m_101>but no initimg in /boot ......
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21:56<enouf>update-initramfs -u -k linux-image-version .. but add the ones you need prior in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules .. or might need to modify some of the the /scripts ?
21:57<enouf>oh wait, you can pass module args at boot as well
21:57<m_101>(there isn't anything in /boot anyway .... not normal since it boots .... but go in initramfs after that ><)
21:57<enouf>s/modules + args
21:57<m_101>oh yeah ..... ok going to try that with SILO
21:57<enouf>m_101: install guide has details
21:58<m_101>ok, i'm going to read it again ...
21:58<m_101>ow ... I'm really beginning to hate sparcs ....
21:58<enouf>m_101: Boot Parameteer section , IIRC
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21:59<enouf>m_101: well, i know, that for say PPC arch, the install guide has many ppc particulars which one must notice - maybe the same for sparc, dunno
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21:59<enouf>IOW arch specific info
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21:59<m_101>btw the way, the stuff about preseed ... it doesn't load it at all ^^"
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22:00<m_101>it's crazy to install something on a SPARC .... must go with serial console or TFTP .... ^^"
22:00<enouf>yikes! .. heh
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22:03<stitchedwings>hello. I'm running Etchnahalf and I'd like to use fvwm as my default window manager. Do I edit ~/.xinitrc ? I've tried adding 'exec fvwm' to it and it still uses Gnome instead of fvwm
22:04<m_101>don't add, replace the necessary line
22:04<enouf>maybe as root or sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager ?
22:04<stitchedwings>m_101: the xinit.rc didn't exist
22:04<enouf>stitchedwings: are you using a DM?
22:04<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer:
22:04<stitchedwings>gdm I think
22:05<enouf>try what i mentioned
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22:06<enouf>stitchedwings: there are a few x-* choices, another is x-session-manager
22:07<enouf>$ sudo update-alternatives --config x-
22:07<enouf>x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser
22:07<enouf>tab completion ftw ;-)
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22:08<phillipsjk>I think its wdm that gives you a choisce of window manager in a drop-down menu.
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22:08<stitchedwings>Okay. I switched it. thanks for the help. I might be back later. :)
22:08<stitchedwings>thanks. bye
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22:14<m_101>oh yeees!!! finally!!! :D
22:14<m_101>I've managed to regenerate the initramfs img
22:14<m_101>rebooting now :D
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22:17<stitchedwings>that worked great
22:17<m_101>yay finally, the system booted :D
22:18<qq>how ?
22:21<m_101>hehe I finally completely installed a Debian on a Sun Blade 1000 ^^
22:21<m_101>I've managed to install the stuff by TFTP using the testing netboot img
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22:22<m_101>then I've booted it and got the msg about the proprietary firmware not findable
22:22<m_101>I've then boot by TFTP in rescue mode
22:22<m_101>got a shell prompt in /
22:22<m_101>then mount /boot
22:22<m_101>then installed the driver (and regerated the initramfs img)
22:22<m_101>then booted the box ^^
22:23<qq>nice !
22:23<m_101>finally!!! ... it took me time ... but I've managed it :D
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22:24<m_101>heh dunno if we can call that installation hacking but ..... ... well ... ^^
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22:26<MotoHoss>m_101: excellent work.. could document that procedure and toss it on da wiki.
22:26<qq>you means proprietary firmware for hard drive or ?
22:28<m_101>yeah, I'll try to do it as soon as possible
22:29<m_101>for now, I've writed some stuff but it isn't complete yet
22:29<m_101>yes proprietary firmware for SCSI Controller
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22:32<m_101>yes qla2xxx
22:32<m_101>now I'm setting up SSH so I can work from home
22:32<m_101>then I'll go home ^^
22:33<qq>how many MHz / bogomips has ?
22:34<m_101>2 x 750 Mhz
22:34<qq> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep bogomips
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22:35<qq>and ram ...
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22:37<brenan>what is package locales
22:38<brenan>Or rather what does that package do?
22:38<qq>apt-cache show locales
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22:40<brenan>that doesn't really explain it to me
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22:40<brenan>allows you to generate locale definitions..
22:40<m_101>hi again ^^
22:40<m_101>now I'm setting up SSH so I can work from home
22:40<qq> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep bogomips
22:40<qq>and ram ...
22:40<m_101>no bogomips in /proc/cpuinfo
22:41<qq>ha ?
22:41<m_101>256 * 8 ... so 2 GB of ram
22:41<abrotman>qq: that's an x86 thing
22:41<brenan>so if i am using us language do i need to bother with locales?
22:41<brenan>*us english
22:42<abrotman>qq: well .. not always .. but it's not on all architectures
22:42<abrotman>m_101: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep freq .. how many lines do you get?
22:42<qq>i sow that on m68k , ppc , so i hope it is for all arch
22:43<m_101>nothing abach
22:43<abrotman>oh well
22:43<abrotman>apparently you have no CPUs :)
22:45<CompWizrd>maybe they're hot-swappable and he took them all out.
22:45<CompWizrd>sparc is the one that supports hotswap cpu's, isn't it?
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22:47<m_101>cpu it says Ultra Sparc III+ (Cheetah+)
22:47<m_101>I haven't touched it ... there are CPU in it
22:47<qq>CompWizrd: maybe but not all , at least one must stay in .... i tho
22:47<m_101>by the way .... my ssh won't let me log in remote ><
22:47<m_101>only remote in the same LAN
22:47<m_101>but not over the internet .... strange ....
22:47<m_101>NAT routing is okay though ><
22:48<qq>need use "ssh via ....'
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22:49<abrotman>CompWizrd: one of them yes
22:49<abrotman>CompWizrd: depends on the whole system
22:49*CompWizrd beats the dead horse some more
22:50<abrotman>qq: i have an alpha handy .. and while it does have bogomips .. it also has
22:50<abrotman>cycle frequency [Hz] : 233259116 est.
22:50<abrotman>which is something i don't see on my x86 laptop
22:51<abrotman>(along with a few other bits)
22:51<qq>m_101: means ssh via your lan gateway
22:51<qq>abrotman: is a 233 MHz than ?
22:52<abrotman>yeah .. in the alpha world
22:52<qq>or so
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22:58<phillipsjk>guten abend.
22:59*phillipsjk does not know if he spelt that correctly.
22:59<Pitecantropus_35>who got to be killed to get a decent distro delivered on my home?
22:59<Pitecantropus_35>don´t think so phil
23:01<phillipsjk>By "decent distro" you mean Debian, right?
23:01<Pitecantropus_35>whatever ....
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23:01<Pitecantropus_35>im trying out debian cuz red hat refuse it to work
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23:02<qq> " it " is what ?
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23:02<Pitecantropus_35>until i knew loadlin ... can´t get booted, so i used to start from cd ...
23:02<Pitecantropus_35>i know ... mispelling
23:03<Pitecantropus_35>so tried debian
23:03<qq>a laptop ?
23:04<Pitecantropus_35>no, a desktop
23:04<qq>intel/amd 32/64 ?
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23:05<Pitecantropus_35>amd 32 athlon 200
23:05<Pitecantropus_35>amd 32 athlon 2000
23:06<Pitecantropus_35>loadlin works great!
23:06<Pitecantropus_35>and don´t means to much load to start w98 in ms mode
23:06<Pitecantropus_35>not at all!
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23:11<phillipsjk>Pitecantropus_35, Without knowing why you are having problems with redhat, we can't exactly assure you the you won't have the same problems with debian.
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23:12<Pitecantropus_35>i don´t got problems w deb
23:12<phillipsjk>I assume the reason you are asking for CD's is that you are on dial-up.
23:12<Pitecantropus_35>just it´s an old distro
23:12<gryffon2k>I'm trying to use tightvnc Client in windows to connect to a debian etch (amd64)
23:13<Pitecantropus_35>so, that´s why i need another distro
23:13<gryffon2k>tunneling through ssh using putty
23:13<gryffon2k>it is almost working
23:13<gryffon2k>The problem is that the keyboard is crazy
23:13<Pitecantropus_35>ssh .... sounds to good
23:13<gryffon2k>when I type asdf ... I get abfh
23:13<Pitecantropus_35>secure socket .... something
23:14<gryffon2k>anybody knows how to fix that?
23:14<phillipsjk>Pitecantropus_35, well this may be of interest to you: note updates may take HOURS over dial-up.
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23:15<Pitecantropus_35>:D funny ... i know that ... i dont´ even try that ....
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23:15<teratoma>can i use linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 if my processor is AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ ?
23:15<Pitecantropus_35>last time ... a package of 3 mb ...
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23:16<phillipsjk>Ubuntu is a bad word here, but they ship free CD's
23:17<Pitecantropus_35>right ... jajaja
23:17*ikex Feelings - Americana - The Offspring (x«amarok)
23:17<Pitecantropus_35>don´t know why ... we´re all penguin fans
23:17<widrone>gryffon2k: Have a look at the first google hits when searching "abfh layout" maybe, seems to be ub*the other* answer. But may be of use.
23:17<gryffon2k>I tried that one
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23:18*ikex Get Free - Highly Evolved - Vines (x«amarok)
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23:18<gryffon2k>but it didn't work for me :(
23:18<gryffon2k>Thanks widrone
23:18<phillipsjk>gryffon2k, does it hapen in other applications, or just putty? (maybe somebody switched keys around)
23:18<m_101>hi again ^^
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23:19<m_101>I'm still trying to figure out what's going wrong with my ssh stuff lol
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23:19<Pitecantropus_35>gpm .... always hung up the whole pc
23:20*ikex Welcome - Americana - The Offspring (x«amarok)
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23:20*ikex Have You Ever - Americana - The Offspring (x«amarok)
23:20<gryffon2k>phillipsjk: it works properly in putty
23:20<mossberg>hey. is there a file i can edit in my systems configuration so that all requests sent to go to another pc on my local network?
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23:20<gryffon2k>the problem occurs in the tightvnc client
23:20<gryffon2k>when I am already connected to the GUI
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23:23<gryffon2k>Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor
23:23<gryffon2k>Desktop -> Gnome -> Peripherals -> Keyboard -> KBD
23:23<gryffon2k>Edit the layout key to delete what is there and add your "abfh" by typing asdf.
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23:23<gryffon2k>This solved my problem (pretty ugly, though)
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23:25<gryffon2k>Thanks all
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23:31<Pitecantropus_35>who´s next?
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23:57<SD>mossberg: add an entry in /etc/hosts
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