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00:19<Mr_Giraffe>does anyone here have any experience with ndiswrapper and module-assistant?
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00:24<gsimmons>Mr_Giraffe: And if they do? Try asking for information, not people.
00:24<Mr_Giraffe>alright, good point.
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00:25<Mr_Giraffe>well then, i'm trying to install the ndiswrapper kernel module by using module-assistant, and it's saying my kernel version is wrong and that i need to get the package linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64.
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00:26<Mr_Giraffe>that's the kernel version reported by uname -a, but when i look for any packages in the aptitude repository the version i find is 2.6.25-2-amd64
00:26<Mr_Giraffe>so what do i do...?
00:27<gsimmons>Mr_Giraffe: Which Debian version are you using? Lenny?
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00:28<gsimmons>Mr_Giraffe: Lenny has 2.6.25 now. You'd want to update your kernel image, then install the relevant 'linux-headers-*' package.
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00:28<Mr_Giraffe>hmm, seems to be updated...
00:28<Mr_Giraffe>i guess i'd have to restart, wouldn't i.
00:29<Mr_Giraffe>right, brb.
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00:40<Mr_Giraffe>alright then, wireless works. now how do i get the GNOME CPU frequency applet to let me change the settings?
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00:43<Mr_Giraffe>gsimmons, any ideas?
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00:46<gsimmons>Mr_Giraffe: Sorry, I'm not familiar with that.
00:47<Mr_Giraffe>it seems to be built differently on here than the help file says it should be...
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00:52<Mr_Giraffe>ahh, well i found the issue.
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01:06<keidori>quick question i am trying to install pidgin and it says i dont have glib2.0 but i do
01:06<keidori>any ideaS
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01:08<enouf>use irssi
01:11<keidori>umm irc client?
01:11<enouf>keidori: where are you getting pidgin from? i know nothing about it, except it's an im that tries to be an irc client, or something
01:12<keidori>lol, id like to use it for my yahoo and msn account
01:12<Guest2742>keidori, what is the error when you try to install pidgin
01:12<enouf>how are you installing?
01:12<keidori>i downloaded the tar ball
01:12<enouf>... it's not in debian?
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01:13<keidori>and i used ./configure
01:13<enouf>keidori: it's in Etch-backports
01:13<dmoerner>keidori, it is called "gaim" in etch
01:14<keidori>pidgin is the next rev of gaim btw
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01:14<dmoerner>keidori, yes. i am aware of that.
01:14<enouf>!tell keidori -about etch-backports
01:15<dmoerner>if you "want yahoo and msn" you don't need any sort of "extra" functionality present in pidgin v gaim
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01:15<keidori>its the same thing, it looks and acts different
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01:16<keidori>id like to use pidgin because gaim wont send files to pidgin
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01:18<keidori>or am i fucktarded
01:19<EmleyMoor>File transfer is hit and miss on messengers - so you could be right but you could be wrong
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01:23<dmoerner>keidori, that's not a problem. just use backports
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01:26<dmoerner>keidori, enouf sent you the factoid before
01:26<dmoerner>dpkg, tell keidori -about backports
01:26<dmoerner>dpkg, tell keidori -about
01:27<enouf>!tell keidori -about etch-backports
01:27<keidori>so i added the pidgin backport
01:27<keidori>how do i update the key ring
01:29<enouf>ahh .. ok, etch-bakcports is a link to factoid
01:30<keidori>i have no clue
01:30<keidori>as you can tell im a total noob
01:31<keidori>i thought you where saying to replace the backport url with the pidgin url that you listed
01:32<keidori>sry about that
01:33<keidori>jumped the gun
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01:34<keidori>so what are backports?
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01:46<EmleyMoor>Backports are recompiles of software for the next release, to run on the current one
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01:49<keidori>odd, so they make backports so they dont issue unstable software
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02:00<EmleyMoor>keidori: The purpose of backports is to make available for the stable system some updated software if there's an identified need for it
02:01<EmleyMoor>... partly so that people don't feel the need to go to testing or unstable when really they're not ready for it, and don't feel the need to, or can't, locally maintain the software
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02:02<Mr_Giraffe>uhh...whenever i reboot now, my system kernel panics on shutdown and i have to hold the power button down for it to turn off.
02:02<keidori>well thanks a bunch for putting up with my noobness and all your help
02:02<keidori>good night
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02:02<Mr_Giraffe>it says it's a machine check error at CPU 0 (i have a dual-core machine), and this definitely didn't happen until i installed debian.
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02:03<Mr_Giraffe>the system says it's not a software error, and that it's a hardware error, but given that it didn't happen until my first reboot on debian i'm not sure what to think.
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02:15<Mr_Giraffe>grr, it's still doing it...
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02:36<Glanzmann>Hello; I tried to install Lenny via netboot and get the message "The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror." In the proxy log file I see that it accesses the Release file.
02:37<Glanzmann>I also double checked that I have the most recent netboot.tar.gz
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02:56<mihau>which packages i need to have to compile?
02:56<mihau>got gcc but it shows error
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02:57<mihau>configure:2645: error: C compiler cannot create executables
02:57<dpkg>[build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
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02:58<mihau>thanks, gonna check it now
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03:00<mihau>well, it helped with ./configure
03:00<mihau>but still got some error with make
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03:01<mihau>I810XvMC.h:90: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'drm_handle_t'
03:01<mihau>and many others
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03:19<Mr_Giraffe>i'm having a problem with a MCE happening on reboot, hibernate, or suspend. shutting down isn't a problem, but whenever i do anything else i get a machine check exception with this text:
03:19<Mr_Giraffe>4 bank 4: b200000000070f0f
03:19<Mr_Giraffe>TSC(hex string that changes every time)
03:20<Mr_Giraffe>what could be the problem?
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03:35<hwsw>Hi everybody. I've just installed the most up-to-date lenny and it seems that MC uses nano instead of mcedit. Is it normal ?
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03:39<tarzeau>hwsw: no
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03:40<hwsw>I was too lazy and didn't do an expert install, just a normal standard. It might be the reason I think.. (maybe)..
03:40<tarzeau>hwsw: x] use internal edIt in configure options
03:40<tarzeau>hwsw: no that's not the reason
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03:40<tarzeau>hwsw: it's just that it got configured to use $EDITOR (if set)
03:41<hwsw>yepp some kind of sensible-editor is configured (script) which then calls actually nano.
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03:43<hwsw>Thanks for the tip.. it works! ;) I've overseen this option an hour ago. Thx.
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04:02<mihau>Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 which drivers would fit best that graphic card?
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04:03<jm_>which chipset is that?
04:04<jm_>well in any case, it would be intel driver, the only question is if your version supports it
04:04<mihau>intel 950
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04:05<mihau>is it possible to install it by apt?
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04:06<amphi>mihau: x3100 is 965, no?
04:06<amphi>mihau: in either case you should use intel
04:07<mihau>according to this siter its 950
04:07<mihau>but dunno
04:07<mihau>amphi: is it possible to get those drivers through apt?
04:08<mihau>my bad, its 965
04:08<mihau>\as you've written ;p
04:08<mihau>i'm blind ;d
04:09<jm_>yes install xorg package
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04:10<mihau>you mean dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
04:10<mihau>when i've dont it and choosen intel driver x wouln't start
04:11<nihil>anyone knows if openssh-server 5.* will make into lenny release?
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04:11<Pedro>Quero falar em portugues sou angolano
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04:13<jm_>then check X server log
04:13<mihau>where can i find it?\sry, im newbie ;p
04:14<gsimmons>nihil: Uh, it already has.
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04:15<nihil>gsimmons, thx ;)
04:15<nihil>i checked a few days ago and it was still 4.7
04:16<mihau>and what i am swearvhing for, in that log?
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04:17<jm_>!troubleshooting x
04:17<dpkg>To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to fix it. Ask me about <xmd5sum>
04:20<mihau>cannot find any ee lines
04:20<mihau>when reconfiguring it works fine only with vesa driver ;/
04:20<mihau>i think intel driver isn't even installed
04:21<mihau>may i be right?
04:21<jm_>trivial to check
04:22<mihau>how to check if it's been installed?
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04:22<jm_>dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel
04:22<dpkg>ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 3.4-15.1 jm_'s private porn collection
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04:24<mihau>ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
04:24<jm_>upload logfile to a paste site
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04:30<toclock>i compiled my own kernel in etch with "make menuconfig" and "make".....
04:31<jm_>you need to generate the lgofile with intel driver
04:31<amphi>!prize toclock
04:31*dpkg gives toclock a yogi pin.
04:33<mihau>brb, gonna reboot x
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04:33<toclock>but now i read in some forum that i should do a make all and a make dep first or at least a make all but the kernel has compiled without a failure with just the "make" command.
04:33<toclock>is it lacking something now?
04:34<toclock>@jm_: u answered me?
04:34<jm_>toclock: yeah
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04:34<toclock>next just link it .. ok?
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04:35<jm_>link it where?
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04:38<prem>On upgrading to sid..gnome-appearance-properties., throws an error "gnome-appearance-properties: symbol lookup error: gnome-appearance-properties: undefined symbol: gnome_bg_new" ..any ideawhich package im missing..
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04:40<mihau>i think it was made eith intel driver
04:41<jm_>mihau: load AGP module
04:41<mihau>how do i do that? xd
04:43<jm_>with modprobe
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04:45<mihau>how do i do that? xd
04:45<mihau>im a total newbie, lol\
04:45<jm_>man modprobe
04:46<mihau>what should i write in shell?
04:46<mihau>modprobe agp?
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04:47<mihau>bash: modprobe: command not found
04:47<jm_>as root
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04:48<Baggy2>when trying to compile with the -r option I get an annoying error from ld, telling me that it cannot find -lgcc_s. The library named is in the library directory so why can't ld find it? Any suggestions?
04:49<jm_>driver name should be intel-agp or somesuch
04:49<jm_>Baggy2: is it looking in that dir?
04:50<Baggy2>jm_: yes, it should. I've also tried to copy it to the same dir as ld and some various other destinations.. didn't help..
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04:51<defrysk>intel_agp is the proper name
04:51<jm_>intel-agp is the same as intel_agp for modprobe
04:51<defrysk>jm_, didnt know that
04:51<jm_>Baggy2: verify it, don't trust "should"
04:52<jm_>defrysk: it's pretty perverse if you ask me
04:52<mihau>when typed modeprob -l -t intel-agp
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04:55<mihau>so, is that module correct?
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04:56<defrysk>modprobe intel_agp
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04:56<davi>Why aptitude is removing all my packages? I just asked for update and installation!
04:57<davi> Debian lenny
04:57<mihau>ok, done
04:57<mihau>whats next?;p
04:57<defrysk>davi, aptitude asked and you answerd yes without reading probably
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04:58<davi>debhelper, "OK" was the only option.
04:59<defrysk>davi, next time use apt-get , probably safer for you
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05:00<davi>defrysk, I will try again aptitude to check if it is possible do an update on my current context: "lenny upgraded from etch"
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05:00<defrysk>davi, should be no problem
05:01<toclock>hello again
05:01<defrysk>but lenny is not stable yet so there might be some quirks
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05:02<toclock>well i compiled a kernel with just "make" now i have a file vmlinux and vmlinux.o in this directory....
05:02<defrysk>toclock, why did you compile a kernel ?
05:03<jm_>toclock: you need to use the one in arch/.../...
05:03<toclock>all i have to do to get the kernel to work is to ignore that vmlinux.o file and link it with the vmlinuz file??
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05:03<Baggy2>jm_: when I run gcc with the -v option, I can clearly see that -L/lpath/to/lib is added. Then why is the lib not found? Any ideas?
05:03<davi>defrysk, I will report to you in 30 minutes
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05:04<jm_>Baggy2: I would use strace to heck if it's trying to open that file at all
05:04<toclock>why in arch?? what would that help?
05:04<toclock>i just compiled it for my architecture..
05:04<mihau>jm_: i've loaded agp module, whats nextr?
05:05<jm_>mihau: start X server again
05:05<defrysk>toclock, is a good howto ,
05:05<jm_>Baggy2: libgcc must be special so the path is probably hardcoded
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05:08<mihau>system freezed
05:08<mihau>had black screen
05:08<mihau>had to force reboot
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05:11<mihau>jm_: any solution?
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05:16<padski>mihau, you say "system freezed", did caps lock light still work ?
05:16<davi>defrysk, aptitude in lenny is definitively broken
05:16<mihau>padski: didnt check
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05:17<padski>mihau, just a thought really: is the whole system locked up or can you simply not see anything on the display.
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05:17<mihau>black screen
05:18<mihau>but after forced reboot it works as it was working before
05:19<jm_>mihau: for?
05:19<mihau>after modprobe intel-agp and restarting x
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05:22<house>hello to all
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05:23<lkh>I have this warning in my Xorg.log: "(WW) intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found" does this mean I should add a new device to my xorg.conf?
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05:23<davi>defrysk, aptitude in lenny is definitively broken. I even get messages as this:
05:23<davi>dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
05:23<davi> This is an essential package - it should not be removed.
05:23<dpkg>davi: I don't know, could you explain it?
05:24<padski>davi, define "definitively" ;-)
05:25<padski>davi, suggest you paste an example
05:28<jm_>mihau: try upgrading your kernel
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05:28<mihau>ive dont apt-cache for that
05:29<mihau>and ive got the latest ;/
05:29<mihau>accodring to apt get
05:29<jm_>which version?
05:29<mihau>i knwo there is newer version\
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05:29<toclock>who do i build the initramdisk for my new kernel?
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05:30<padski>toclock, have you considered using kernel-package ?
05:31<davi>padski, Steps to reproduce the bug in my PC: (1) excute aptitude, (2) Click the Update the package listing menu, (3) Click the Install menu
05:32<toclock>No i do not know what you mean by that. I just compiled my own kernel just by a simple "make" and it took the whole night.
05:32<davi>padski, Such operation has even removed my cyrus installation!
05:32<toclock>now i would like to know where i should take the right initramdisk for it
05:33<padski>davi, I try to avoid "Click" :-) you get no further prompts before packages removals ? at all !?
05:34<jm_>mihau: 2.6.24 is latest for etch
05:34<gsimmons>mihau: You would have 2.6.24 kernel images available (new since 4.0r4), check apt's package cache. Install the 'linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf' package to provide the necessary image for your processor.
05:34<mihau>but apt dont want to update
05:35<davi>padski, Yes, I get some one, with OK as the only option to choose. Note I just wanted to update my lenny system using aptitude, nothing more.
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05:37<toclock>how do i use kernel package
05:37<padski>is "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" the right incantation on lenny ?
05:37<padski>!tell toclock about kernel-package
05:37<mitra>you shouldnt try and use unstable if you dont understand basic debian administration
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05:38<mihau>ok, i've installed 'linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf'
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05:39<lkh>so anyone knows how to get rid of this warning by xorg? "(WW) intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found"
05:39<padski>mihau, that would be the obvious next step, yes :-)
05:39<mihau>wanted tgo be 100% sure ;d
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05:39<jm_>lkh: majority of systems don't need busid set, leave it empty (unless it's not a PC)
05:40<toclock>why does the graphical server show another resolution on login then in gnome workspace?
05:41<lkh>jm_, I haven't put that in my xorg. conf. I have "BusID PCI:0:2:0" though (with 0 at the end)
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05:41<jm_>lkh: try removing that too
05:42<toclock>thx ...
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05:43<lkh>jm_, ok I will try , but it is in about any thinkpad xorg.cong I found on the web
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05:44<padski>davi, please try "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" in a shell and paste the results along with your sources.list. obviously you should cancel out of any threatened system destruction.
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05:45<padski>jm_, should that be safe-upgrade ?
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05:46<mihau>i wont boot
05:46<mihau>the lates kernel
05:46<mihau>it hangs
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05:49<defrysk>mihau, read
05:49<jm_>padski: I think aptitude says they are the same
05:50<padski>jm_, thanks
05:50<jm_>or it says somethin galong "consider using safe-upgrade instead"
05:50<defrysk>mihau, sorry wrong post
05:52<padski>yeah, I remember seeing that. google says 'Results 1 - 10 of about 33,400 for "aptitude upgrade". (0.27 seconds)' :-) the top hits are about exactly this question.
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05:55<MadHag>guys, how do I get my server to send mail on port 26 my isp have 25 blocked for reasons of spam
05:55<mihau>so, what should i do to upgrade kernel?
05:56<padski>MadHag, who is receiving on port 26 ?
05:56<padski>MadHag, consider using port 587
05:56<MadHag>I have used and they use 26
05:56<MadHag>my isp will not let me send on 25
05:57<padski>MadHag, which MTA
05:57<MadHag>spam problem I think
05:57<padski>MadHag, and suggest to bluehost that they might want to use 587.
05:57<MadHag>openpanel is not quite developed yet to handle it
05:57<MadHag>their not happy with me at the moment because I am leaving them
05:58<MadHag>so ther
05:59<petemc>MadHag: what do you mean "send mail on port 26" ?
05:59<petemc>send mail to who?
05:59<jm_>you can't
05:59<petemc>you want everyone in the world to change to port 26 to accomodate you?
05:59<MadHag>tells me it cannot connect to my smtp on the server
06:00<MadHag>just my isp
06:00<MadHag>its blocking anything from 25
06:00<petemc>which isnt a bad idea
06:00<MadHag>france telecom
06:00<petemc>no, they're right
06:00<petemc>its you that is wrong
06:00<padski>MadHag, from 25 or to 25 ?
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06:00<MadHag>trying to get through to a human on the phone is a waste of time
06:01<petemc>you'll find that even if they didnt block port 25, other people simply wouldnt accept mail from you anyway
06:01<MadHag>I thought its always been 25
06:01<petemc>it has been
06:01<MadHag>anyway, I need my server to send on 26 or something else
06:02<petemc>you miss the point, most connections from ips like yours are from infected windows machines sending spam
06:02<MadHag>but openpanel can just configure 25
06:02<padski>MadHag, consider sending through your isp or another email service provider.
06:02<Nemoder>why not just use your ISP's mail server?
06:02<MadHag>what do I need to do to send email?
06:03<asc>Debian on mac for win.
06:03<asc>(just needed to say that)
06:03<MadHag>monty python comes to mind
06:04<padski>MadHag, huh ?
06:04<MadHag>2 ounce bird cannot carry a 1lb weight
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06:04<MadHag>it could if...
06:04<MadHag>I just want an answer :)
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06:05<Nemoder>you can configure exim4 to use smarthost so that it logs into your ISP's mail server to send messages rather than sending them directly
06:05<MadHag>exim has been sidlined by postfix I believe
06:05<padski>MadHag, good answers result from good questions
06:06<MadHag>I know
06:06<padski>MadHag, and emacs has been sidelined by vi
06:06*MadHag feels picked on :)
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06:07<MadHag>if I could just get postfix to use port 26 for sending email all will be fine I think
06:07<Nemoder>you think wrong :)
06:07<petemc>MadHag: try listening to what people are telling you
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06:09<padski>MadHag, your isp will be blocking (something like) outbound traffic with a destination port of 25. port 25 is where people listen, you can't talk to it. they don't listen on 26.
06:10<padski>with the possible exception of bluehost.
06:10<mitra>postfix also allows one to use an upstream smtp server via relayhost
06:10<MadHag>ok, what do I need to do, whats your suggestion
06:10<MadHag>I need to send on 26 then
06:11<mitra>no. you need to use an appropriate SMTP server, like one at your ISP
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06:11<mitra>they *do not* letyou send directly to other smtp servers, because it would allow for too much spam
06:11<MadHag>whats the point of having a dedicated server if you have to rely on other people?
06:11<Nemoder>or ask your isp if you can upgrade to a business account if they have that option
06:12<MadHag>sod that :)
06:12<padski>MadHag, if you want to send to a box that listens on 26 then there will be a way to do that, but I don't don't know postfix.
06:12<mitra>mostly dedicated servers arent encumbured by such restrictions..
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06:13<MadHag>I have a dedicated so I should be able to sort it out I would have thought
06:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
06:13<padski>MadHag, I have done this once for a client that switched isp and the isp was blocking inbound traffic to port 26.
06:13<mitra>your server will be fine, but by contract you allow your ISP to block certain, possibly malicious, traffic
06:13<padski>sorry, inbound to 25
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06:14<MadHag>I could use my yahoo account :)
06:14<MadHag>put the dedicated in the bin
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06:14<mitra>sounds like a plan
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06:16<davi>padski, That is the current state, after the previous aptitude commands
06:16<Baggy2>jm_: I did as you suggested.. tried monitoring file access with nmon, and it turns out that gcc links static libraries when the -r option is used.. thus I need to make a static version of gcc_s.. err.. how should I proceed?
06:17<Baggy2>./configure only makes a dynamic version of gcc_s by default..
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06:19<padski>I'm not all that familiar with aptitude. does that "{u}" mean that the package has been marked for removal, like say in dselect ?
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06:25<jm_>padski: for state flag?
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06:30<eliteforce>hey, I want to execute a script to modify files from a different user. I already tried the setuid bit, without success :|
06:30<petemc>yeah, you cant make a script suid
06:31<themill>you could use sudo
06:33<eliteforce>themill: sudo -u different_user commmand; ? then I need some magic NOPASSWD line in the sudoers file ;)
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06:34<mitra>you need some sort of magic to modify files not authorised to you :)
06:34<mitra>you can set sudoers to only allow one command to be exected without a password, too
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06:36<eliteforce>so if I set up sudoers to allow that command to be executed with the given user (and without a password) the script won't be able to modify files of that user?
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06:37<mitra>depends how secure you write the script :)
06:37<mitra>rbash might be a start
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06:39<eliteforce>actually, a imho ugly workaround would be to set up a 1 min cronjob which reads a shared file :s
06:41<mitra>sounds horribly insecure D:
06:43<eliteforce>user_a ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/sudo -u user_b /home/user_b/test_script
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06:43<eliteforce>it's still prompting for a password :/
06:44<jm_>why did you add sudo to sudoers file?
06:44<mitra>that would require the user to type in exactly whats after the :
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06:45<mitra>you could put that line in another script again to make it easier, if its in your PATH you'd just have to type the name of the script
06:45<mitra>jm_, eliteforce wants it to run as a non-root user, spawned from another non-root user
06:45<eliteforce>oh just a sec..
06:46<weasel>that's quite a broken sudoers line.
06:47<weasel>why not simply user_a ALL=(user_b) NOPASSWD: /home/user_b/test_script ""
06:47<mitra>there is also a Runas_User directive, but ive never used it
06:47<mitra>oh weasel wins
06:49<eliteforce>yes that's it
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06:55<eliteforce>themill, weasel: thanks
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06:56<padski>davi, you're a bit beyond where I can comfortably help you further, but hopefully someone else here will be able to.
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06:59<telmich>after I aptitude purge cups cupsys and aptitude install cups cupsys I have a broken cupsd.conf: Require user @OWNER @SYSTEM
06:59<telmich>it looks like those values should have been replaced by the install script, shouldn't they?
06:59<weasel>sure looks like it
07:00<weasel>well, or maybe during package build
07:00<weasel>which version are you installing?
07:00<weasel>ah no. I have the same here
07:00<weasel>so that's probably ok
07:00<telmich>hmm, strange
07:01<telmich>when I load localhost:631 it works; when I selected printers or similar I get this in the error_log:E [21/Aug/2008:13:01:29 +0200] PID 3682 (/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi) stopped with status 22!
07:02<telmich>when executing the cgi on the commandline it prints much debug but seems to run
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07:03<telmich>the reason why I am reinstalling cups is that the install scripts from samsung clx-2160 installed broken programs (unresolved library dependencies) and I wanted to use foo2zjs
07:03<telmich>weasel: do you have a cups user?
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07:04<telmich>hmm, I've the lpadmin group
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07:12<Baggy2>jm_: I just wanted to tell you that I found a solution. First, I tried rebuilding gcc with --enable-static, but that did not produce libgcc_s.a. Then I read an article, prompting that static libs often are denoted by _s in the end. This made me think that perhaps I could just rename libgcc.a to libgcc_s.a. Now, I get no errors =)
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07:14<jm_>Baggy2: but .a is already a static lib - now you can only hope it/s the right one
07:14<telmich>hmm, there is more broken
07:14<Baggy2>jm_: if it was the wrong one, I would get undefined refrences, right?
07:14<telmich>sudo says sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
07:15<Baggy2>I know that .a is static, that is why I tried renaming it
07:15<telmich>maybe the update some minutes ago did something problematic with pam
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07:15<Baggy2>I don't think that the -r option is used that often..
07:16<Baggy2>jm_: or multiple defines..
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07:30<telmich>does anyone see the reason for the sudo error, when installing / removing those packages:
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07:42<telmich>the samsung-install-script has fucked up permissions on /etc/ on /usr
07:43<telmich>is there a debian-fix-permissions-script available to set all permissions as installed by the packages?
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07:46<p1ngp0ng>Hi. what is the command to configure xorg? i've treid xorg -configure but it tells me it cant find the mouse so it aborts.
07:47<jm_>!drxx p1ngp0ng
07:47<dpkg>p1ngp0ng: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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07:50<telmich>is it safe to apt-get install --reinstall all packages that are installed?
07:50<p1ngp0ng>ah thanks
07:50<p1ngp0ng>hehe, gotta love them bots :P
07:51<jm_>telmich: that won't help you
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07:51<padski>telmich, define safe
07:53<telmich>padski: I can do it without breaking the running system
07:53<telmich>jm_: why not?
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07:56<padski>telmich, a bit off the beaten track I would guess
07:56<davi>What package to transform video formats from mpg4 to something more usual.
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07:58<defrysk>ffmpeg or transcode
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07:58<defrysk>use the debian multimedia repo for this
07:58*telmich does getfacl on another debian + setfacl currently
07:58<davi>thanks defrysk
07:59<davi>Is it in main?
07:59<defrysk>google debian multimedia
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08:01<telmich>getfacl seems to ignore the suid bit
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08:02<jm_>davi: or mencoder
08:02<defrysk>or mencoder indeed
08:02<jm_>telmich: I think you'll have to install it manually with dpkg
08:03<davi>thanks, I will try transcode and mencoder, due to ffmpeg options are complex
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08:04<ogy>hello, i have put 2 drives on my debian on the second drive i used fdisk to create 2 partitions and use mkfs.ext3 on them no errors where reported, however when i try to mount the it says that the device is busy i used the -f option and it seemd to have mounted /dev/hda3 and not /dev/hdd2 now i cant seem to unmount if from my mnt.....
08:04<ogy>jm_ you may want to try hyper converter
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08:06<jm_>ogy: I didn't ask for that :) but hopefully davi is reading this
08:07<ogy>just wantid to help
08:07<jm_>lsof or fuser will help you find ou ta process that's keeping your mount point busy
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08:08<davi>jm_, ogy, Yes, thanks
08:08<eisregen>i have a new installed debian..
08:08<ogy>davi use the version for the 1.2 commander
08:08<eisregen>and a few probs with my apt
08:08<ogy>hyper-0.97.11 for Kommander 1.2
08:09<davi>thanks ogy, let me read
08:09<ogy>jm_ how do i get rid of the mount ?
08:09<eisregen>everytime i wana install some packages that requires libper5.8, he syas he could not install because libperl10.. is installed
08:09<jm_>ogy: stop the processes the above commands will show
08:09<eisregen>and which entrys are the bes for sources.list?
08:10<davi>ogy, I have installed this package: kommander 4:3.5.9-3
08:10<davi>Is it right?
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08:10<ogy>? is that form apt ?
08:11<davi>form lenny
08:11<ogy>if you have a newer version use the one for the newest version
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08:12<ogy>jm_ no proccess is using it
08:14<eisregen>can someone pls post his sources.list?
08:14<eisregen>i need good repositorys..
08:15<weasel>you already have them.
08:16<jm_>ogy: then it can't be busy unless you're dealing with hardware errors
08:16<ogy>if i try to unmount it it says its not mounted :(
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08:16<jm_>so it isn't then
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08:17<ogy>then wy do i se it in df ?
08:17<jm_>check /proc/mounts
08:18<ogy>nop not in there
08:18<jm_>but df shows it? are you sure?
08:19<ogy>if i use df
08:19<ogy>i can se it
08:19<jm_>is it in /etc/mtab?
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08:19<jm_>try to strace df then
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08:20<ogy>oke jm_ it is out of the list and no longer mounted im sure thanks for the help
08:20<jm_>ogy: that was weird
08:20<ogy>now how can i best start form here
08:20<davi>ogy, How I execute hyper?
08:21<davi>I have already installed it
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08:21<ogy>there is a shortcut in the dir
08:21<ogy>copy it to where you want to have it
08:22<ogy>yes jm_ it is verry strange
08:22<ogy>and before i come here be sure i have turned google upsidedown
08:23<mihau>jm_: i'm uploading screen with an error im getting while settings graphic driver to intel
08:23<mihau>gonna show you it
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08:25<ogy>jm_ when i try to mount it it says mount: /dev/hdd2 already mounted or donderdag busy and when i fdisk -l i get this Disk /dev/dm-1 doesn't contain a valid partition table i cant make anything out of this
08:27<ogy>mihau: are you using the correct driver ? check lspci in an other console
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08:28<ogy>imu ?
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08:28<mihau>i choose intel drver while reconfiguring xorg
08:28<ogy>jm_ stile here ?
08:29<mihau>gonna take shower
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08:29<ogy>mihau try looking @ lspci to be sure u have the correct diver in mind
08:30<jm_>mihau: you're missing agp module again
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08:30<jMCg>Hello happy people.
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08:31<jMCg>I was wondering how I could compile a debian package with Debug symbols, the Debian-packaging-way.
08:31<eisregen>hi there..
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08:31<eisregen>i have a problem with the package perl-base..
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08:32<jm_>jMCg: don't call dh_strip?
08:32<eisregen>it seems to be a version conflict
08:32<ifvoid>jMCg: there isn't an automatic way
08:32<jm_>jMCg: and make sure -g is used for building
08:32<ifvoid>jMCg: basically, apt-get source package, edit debian/rules, fakeroot ./debian/rules binary
08:32<ogy>jm_ you think it may be a good id to delete de partitons and start from scratch on the disk, baring in mind i cant reboot the system
08:33<eisregen>the installed version is 10 and in need 5.8, but cannot downgrade..
08:33<jm_>ogy: why do you think that should help?
08:33<ogy>it hasend been used
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08:33<jMCg>Where's DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS defined?
08:33<ogy>i created the parts on it with the old kernel installed a new one and geve it a reboot
08:33<themill>eisregen: are you running etch or lenny? what have you been doing? what's the history of this machine?
08:34<eisregen>themill: hmm, i have a naked installation
08:34<eisregen>its the stable version..
08:34<jm_>so mkfs the partitions and mount them
08:34<jm_>eisregen: then stop whatever it is you're doing
08:34<martinwm>naked installations are the most fun
08:35<themill>eisregen: etch doesn't have perl 5.10 and no packages in etch will want that version, so you've done something strange. more details...
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08:35<eisregen>themill: hmm, i did a few experiments with sources.list ;)
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08:36<ogy>jm_ oke try this and it says dev/hdd2 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!, and it seems like /dev/hdd3 actualy pionts to /dev/hda3
08:37<jm_>ogy: ok better stop then - check /proc/partitions
08:37<ogy>eisregen it is never a good id do mess with the sources of apt
08:38<ogy>jm its open but strange, can i paste it or something ?
08:38<jm_>ogy: use paste sites
08:38<_void_>does anyone know how to get smartdimmer for debian? (i am a newbie) plz
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08:38<mihau>jm_: i did install agp module
08:38<jm_>mihau: you need to modprobe it
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08:39<ogy>try lsmod of modprobe -l |grep agp
08:40<mihau>jm_: i did
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08:41<ogy>mihau will it show on lsmod | grep agp ?
08:41<jm_>mihau: check dmesg output after loading the module
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08:42<jm_>ogy: looks like you're using DM - notice how hd* have the same size as md* devices
08:43<ogy>i have seen this and i have seen the errors however i dont know md at all, do i need t mount /dev/dm-0 ?
08:43<mihau>intel_agp 22204 0
08:43<mihau>agpgart 29896 1 intel_agp
08:44<jm_>i'm affraid I am not familiar with DM at all
08:44<mihau>sry guys, g2g
08:44<mihau>ill be later
08:44<mihau>thanks for help anyway
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08:44<ogy>its so strange he is using this
08:45<jm_>why? it's a laptop with intel chipset and built-in graphics
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08:48<ogy>jm_ whas that a question for me ?
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08:50<ogy>oke jm_ i found it :p dm needs to be used as the device, where it came form i have no id, but i can mount it /dev/dm-0 /mnt/disk thanks for your help dude
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08:51<ogy>if there is someting i can do for you that gives you credit for your help let me know
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08:54<jMCg>Wonderfull. Done building. Installing. Dumping.. now...
08:54<jMCg> wonder where I can submit this to...
08:55<jm_>BTS? might be helpful if you use valgrind
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08:59<ogy>there is a known memmory coruption in vsftp
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09:00<zett>hi i need help with installing nViDIA drivers for Lenny
09:01<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
09:01<zett>jm i know
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09:01<zett>wget -c http://ftp.<country_code><version>_<arch>.deb
09:01<zett>what i must paste to version and arch ?
09:01<zett>arch x86
09:01<zett>but what version ?
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09:02<jm_>go to - you get a download link there
09:02<jm_>why don't you install it using apt?
09:02<sepski>zett, ask dpkg about nvidia_post_etch for your own good
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09:03<zett>i have change in source list and i downloaded module-assistant but dont know what now
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09:04<jm_>you need to install nvidia-kernel-source package
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09:06<zett>wget -c
09:06<zett>its good now ?
09:06<zett>good link ?
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09:07<zett>what 's bad ?
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09:11<zett>what is bad ?
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09:15<benjamin>What is ssh moduli file? Can I replace/update it safely from a dist-upgrade?
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09:18<jm_>benjamin: man moduli
09:19<benjamin>i did
09:19<benjamin>"The /etc/ssh/moduli file contains the system-wide Diffie-Hellman prime moduli for sshd(8)."
09:19<p1ngp0ng>i'm having a little problem here. i've been trying to configure xorg (dpkg-reconfigure) but i just cant get it to work. any sugestions? i've tried to install the nvidia driver, but the installer cant find the kernel source.
09:19<benjamin>this doesn't help me at all
09:20<jm_>p1ngp0ng: you need linux-headers package for your kernel
09:20<jm_>then take the default anwser
09:20<p1ngp0ng>can i get that from aptitude?
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09:20<jm_>can you?
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09:21<p1ngp0ng>hehe, im asking you :P
09:21<p1ngp0ng>ok, im gonna try and find it
09:21<jm_>are you using etch or lenny?
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09:21<jm_>follow the docs here
09:22<loopde>anyone good artist can desing me a car window decal ? kinda thinking having a BSd devil with and apple logo stuck on his pitch fork wit htux taking a bite crapping out a windows logo...
09:22<prathibha>While debugging using gdb I get the following error- You can't do that without a process to debug.How to debug???
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09:24<zett>can i install adept manager on Debian ? or Synaptic ?
09:24<prathibha>While debugging using gdb I get the following error- You can't do that without a process to debug.How to debug???
09:25<jm_>info gdb ; read
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09:30<prathibha>While using gdb I got this error - Program exited with code 0176.You can't do that without a process to debug.
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09:36<zett>OMG it suxx i cant install nvidia drivers
09:37<benjamin>Can I safely replace/update the ssh moduli file from a dist-upgrade?
09:38<padski>Failed to fetch MD5Sum mismatch
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09:42<massmc>hi all, how do I change my hostname?
09:42<gsimmons>!tell massmc -about hostname
09:43<davi>How to install the "msmpeg4" codec library?
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09:48<themill>dpkg: tell davi about w32codecs
09:48<zett>i cant installl nvidia drivers
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09:53<padski>zett, on etch ?
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09:54<p1ngp0ng>how do i check a file for download in aptitude?
09:54<p1ngp0ng>download/install that is.
09:55<p1ngp0ng>i have found one way, but it want to download over 600MB that way, so i guess im doing it wrong
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09:57<padski>p1ngp0ng, not necessarily. I'm sure there are single packages which if you install them on a basic system would pull in that much in dependencies
09:59<p1ngp0ng>i see. but tell me is the "?" the correct way to sellect a package?
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10:04<p1ngp0ng>what i mean is, when i hit the "?" key, alot of packages gets highlighted in green
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10:06<p1ngp0ng>oh well, trial and error here i come
10:06<padski>p1ngp0ng, no idea, I don't use aptitude at all in that way.
10:06<p1ngp0ng>why not?
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10:08<padski>p1ngp0ng, because if I want to install foo I general type 'apt-get install foo' or 'aptitude install foo' and for the odd occasion I want such an interface I confess to still using dselect (not recommended)
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10:09<p1ngp0ng>oh. i see. using the aptitude gui is the "im a noob and dont really know what im looking for" method huh? :P
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10:11<zett>if i want install nvidia say me i some error that i need change in source.list to contrib nonfree blabla but i changed this OMG
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10:11<padski>p1ngp0ng, such an interface is useful, and I do keep meaning to learn it, but everytime I go in there ... I dunno ...
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10:14<themill>p1ngp0ng: the curses interface for aptitude is a good way of being able to unbreak a seriously broken box because you can do a lot of things easily which would be a pain to do through the cli mode.
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10:16<p1ngp0ng>well im doing something strange now.
10:16<p1ngp0ng>i just had to answear alot of question that where greek to me.
10:16<p1ngp0ng>so, i guess it can also be used to mess up a box aswell :P
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10:16<AzaTht>why do I hate dbconfig-common?
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10:17<p1ngp0ng>all i want is to install the nvidia driver hehe
10:17<p1ngp0ng>i think im updating the kerneli i dunno
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10:18<p1ngp0ng>its a good way to learn i supose tho. beeing in console feels like im in a deep dark cave and i only have a match to illuminate my way ;)
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10:25<davi>Is ffmpeg from debian package able to encode for the msmpeg4 codec?
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10:26<p1ngp0ng_>i made it. im in gnome now :)
10:26<amphi>ugh ;)
10:27<p1ngp0ng_>i was expecting my system to get all messed up, but it acutally worked
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10:27<p1ngp0ng_>so dependensies is the same as requierments right?
10:28<amphi>p1ngp0ng_: yes
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10:28<p1ngp0ng_>and the kernel header is what is needed to build a module for the kernel. like you cant create fire if you dont have a lighter
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10:29<p1ngp0ng_>that was a question btw :P
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10:31<amphi>p1ngp0ng_: yes, you need the kernel headers package for your kernel to build a module for that kernel
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10:32<p1ngp0ng_>so is header just another name for the source?
10:32<padski>p1ngp0ng, yes, you will want kernel headers to build kernel modules
10:33<padski>p1ngp0ng, it is a description of the interface, only part of the source
10:33<p1ngp0ng_>like a email header, it contains all the information relative the mail-server beeing used etc?
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10:34<padski>not the metaphor I would choose :-)
10:34<p1ngp0ng_>hehe, but im on to something atleast :)
10:35<amphi>p1ngp0ng_: no, like a c header file ;)
10:35<p1ngp0ng_>so the header is the contains the information on how a spesific kernel is configured
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10:36<p1ngp0ng_>so a installer, say the nvidia installer knows how to create and implement the module for said kernel
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10:36<p1ngp0ng_>well amphi, i guess you are awesome in that way :P
10:36<amphi>it defines interfaces and data types and so on that the module source needs in order to compile
10:37<amphi>p1ngp0ng_: eh?
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10:37<p1ngp0ng_>hehe, nah nothing. im just joking
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10:37<p1ngp0ng_>i think im starting to understand what it is. basicly, if you dont have it, you cant do shit
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10:39<p1ngp0ng_>thanks for taking the time to enlightning me :) im sure i will have alot more of my annoying questions in the near future
10:39<amphi>p1ngp0ng_: without the headers, the module won't build
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10:40<p1ngp0ng_>yeh. i understand that now :) is it only for building modules tho?
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11:14<rachel>anyone here?
11:14<rachel>are you spanish?
11:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:15<artefact>Not, pero hablo Castellano
11:15<rachel>you speak english?
11:16<rachel>habla ingles?
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11:16<rachel>anyone here speak english?
11:17<themill>rachel: most people here do -- this is an english-speaking channel
11:17<rachel>ok then..
11:17<rachel>oh.. er.. really?
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11:18<rachel>ive never been on this before
11:18<rachel>so yea... lol
11:18<rachel>thats embarassing
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11:18<rachel>Im gonna go then.. byee
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12:08<Rul>Hello. I know that this is not the right channel, but this is crucial and I don't receive answers in the others one. I've tried to build a CD ISO with debian-cd. I successfully complete the operation, but when I wanna try the ISO, this error come to me: "Could not find kernel image: vesamenu.c32". Is this error familiar to anyone of you? Thanks in advance
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12:10<padski>Rul, seems like a reasonable question to ask here, but I have not seen this. you could look in the BTS, you could post on debian-user mailing list or perhaps a more specific list. is that file on the disk ?
12:15<Rul>padski, thanks for answering. The file is not in the ISO. In a specific list this question is already made it, but nobody answer. I'll look in the BTS now, but I must hurry up because the next release of the distro is for the first week of september...
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12:16<padski>there does appear to be also a #debian-cd here
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12:21<GnuGustavo>Mornin' everyone, someone could tell how many remote connections does a debian server admits... simulteanusly throw 3389 port? Excuse my bad english....
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12:22<padski>GnuGustavo, 3389 would be rdp. is there an rdp server in Debian ?
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12:26<GnuGustavo>padski, thanks for an answer, I have some users that have to login in a win server to audit an erp, actually they login throw winxp to win3k, I want 'em to log throw winxp to debian server, again, excuse my english
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12:26<GnuGustavo>i just wanted to know if they will could to that
12:26<GnuGustavo>do that***
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12:28<padski>GnuGustavo, I don't understand. perhaps ...
12:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:29<padski>or try to explain again
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12:34<GnuGustavo>padski, u have a debian server and a lan with 30 win users, can they login at the very same time throw one port? my last one... if I don't make myself clear... then my english sucks very hard... ^_^
12:34<deavid>GnuGustavo: one port can recieve more than one connection at same time
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12:36<deavid>you don't need one port for each connected user
12:37<padski>GnuGustavo, if you are doing NAT then there are tunables as to how many connections you track and how long and so on.
12:39<GnuGustavo>deavid, padski, mmmm thanks a lot.! i guess i'll try to do my best building up that server, thanks.!
12:39<deavid>GnuGustavo: do you speak spanish?
12:39<deavid>or, where are you from?
12:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:41<GnuGustavo>deavid, I'm from Venezuela
12:41<GnuGustavo>dpkg, ok thanks
12:41<dpkg>gnugustavo: no problem d00d
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12:42<GnuGustavo>dpkg, bot?
12:42<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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12:43<masterfreek64>Heya - I use debian stable ( rather debian-edu , but this is a debian related issue) and on m-a a-i it gets errors with cpad-kernel-sources and wacom-kernel-sources
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12:45<masterfreek64>And now I cannot install ANYTHING with apt-get install as it wishes to fix the problem up
12:45<masterfreek64>any help?
12:45<padski>masterfreek64, can you paste the errors ?
12:46<masterfreek64>one secod
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12:47<masterfreek64>[: 79: 13262: unexpected operator
12:47<masterfreek64>Warning: kernel headers don't match running Linux version.
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12:49<masterfreek64>but I am using the kernel from debian-stable and the sources from the same repository
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12:50<padski>masterfreek64, try m-a -t prepare
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12:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:50<masterfreek64>ah wait
12:51<masterfreek64>I "Might" have a problem that my GRUB boots an old kernel
12:52<masterfreek64>no sorry it is kernel 2.6.18-6-686 which it fails to retrieve and which I run
12:53<masterfreek64>still the same error+
12:54<masterfreek64>But german locale
12:56<padski>masterfreek64, sorry, you need to unjam apt-get before anything else.
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12:57<masterfreek64>ok how?
12:57<padski>masterfreek64, I occasionally have to do that, but I'm not sure how :-( perhaps try apt-get remove cpad-kernel-source
12:58<masterfreek64>ok I will run apt-get clean and then the remove
12:58<masterfreek64>now m-a prepare?
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12:59<padski>masterfreek64, I suppose. I like the -t option :-)
12:59<masterfreek64>now that I re-run m-a a-i it creares the same errors
12:59<masterfreek64>Yeah xD
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13:01<padski>masterfreek64, I see the same error here.
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13:02<masterfreek64>I cleaned it and it does not work ...
13:02<fxiny>hey : there is a new kernel fix . could it be that ?
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13:03<masterfreek64>any other way to get atheros wifi to work
13:04<padski>there is perhaps a similar bug at #451579
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13:05<jhf>hello! what command is suitable for deleting only the 2nd word of every line ?
13:05<jhf>of a text..
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13:06<anonissimus>jhf: take a look at nltk
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13:08<padski>masterfreek64, looks like the code in the postinst which reads: head -n 1 $ksrc/include/linux/version.h | cut -c 22- | rev | cut -c 2- | rev
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13:09<padski>is broken. better might be something like head -n 1 /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h | sed 's/#define LINUX_VERSION_CODE \([0-9][0-9]*\).*/\1/'
13:10<padski>although it is hard to divine the intentions of the original author.
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13:12<padski>no, its worse than that, the next line doesn't work either. but this must surely be pretty standard problem ...
13:12<jhf>anonissimus: hey, thx, but whats nltk ?
13:13<jhf>oh i see..
13:13<jhf>natural lanuage toolkit..
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13:14<anonissimus>yeah it's a group of python modules designed to be used on language
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13:14<cTATUK>Is there any way I can get an entire listing of default system ownership permissions? (`chown -R bind:bind /*` has accidentally been executed on my system)
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13:15<enouf>sure, restore from backup
13:17<jhf>fxiny: you know the sed command ? nltk too heavy ;)
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13:17<fxiny>jhf: try : sed 's/\([a-zA-Z]*\) \([a-zA-Z]*\) /\1 /' file , add global for deleting all second words
13:17<cTATUK>well can anyone at least give me potential problems to look out for in result of me chowning everything to root:root ?
13:17<path>any iptables expert? can't find the right syntaxis
13:18<path>iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 --dport 38090 -j DROP
13:18<path>iptables v1.4.1.1: Unknown arg `--dport'
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13:18<path>used to be --dport :/
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13:18<Trunch0>any ideas how to install build-essential without internet connection ?
13:19<path>getting all the debs
13:19<jhf>fxiny: will try it..thank you!
13:19<deavid>path: specify the protocol tcp or udp
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13:20<path>thanks deavid :)
13:20<path>I'm reading the manual right now
13:20<deavid>path: i'm not sure, but anyway
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13:21<path>uhm didn't work
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13:21<Trunch0>path what command to use to install the debs ? if you answered to my question
13:21<deavid>dpkg -i
13:21<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, deavid
13:21<path>thanks deavid now its works
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13:21<fxiny>jhf: np , >>> /\1 /g'
13:21<Trunch0>k thanks i`ll try
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13:22<path>haha Steve uses a thinkpad
13:22<padski>masterfreek64, and what does that have to do with atheros wifi :-)
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13:23<Trunch0>guys why there is no make command in the debian net install ?
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13:24<ja>help pls -- I want to go from a wired to a wireless Debian network, what do I have to do?
13:25<jhf>fxiny: ?? installed global, but dont understand.. how can i specify 2 words only ? is there a whole sed-command ?
13:25<Trunch0>ja get madwifi at google and`re done
13:26<benjamin>how comes that a dist-upgrade operation replaced php4-mysql by php5-mysql?
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13:27<fxiny>jhf: you want to delete the second word of every line ? sed 's/\([a-zA-Z]*\) \([a-zA-Z]*\) /\1 /g' file_old > file_new . g is the gloabal
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13:29<fxiny>jhf: or use alpha : sed 's/\([[:alpha:]]*\) \([[:alpha:]]*\) /\1 /g'
13:30<ja>trunch0: tks. Is this a google info site?
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13:30<Trunch0>no it`s a wireless drivers program
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13:31<ja>Trunch0: will it tell me how to install it in debian?
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13:32<Flinx>is anyone here using debian on thier Freerunner?
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13:32<johns>Flinx: Yes
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13:33<jhf>fxiny: doesnt work..outputfile same like input..
13:33<Trunch0>ja: yes
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13:33<benjamin>how comes that a dist-upgrade operation replaced php4-mysql by php5-mysql?
13:33<ja>Trunch0: tks, I'll give it a try
13:33<Flinx>johns, I just ran the on the SD (per the instructions. When I try booting to it, I get the error "could not find kernel"
13:34<johns>Flinx: That's most likely because your boot partition is not vfat
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13:34<fxiny>jhf: you said word : is it a alphanumeric ? in this case use alnum instead of alpha
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13:35<johns>Flinx: The instructions have the environment variable to set for that
13:35<johns>Flinx: I'm sure it's correctable without rerunning the whole script, but I just ran it again instead of taking the time to figure that out
13:35<Flinx>johns, right
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13:35<fxiny>jhf: it works
13:35<Flinx>I thought that the script would have taken care of the format, but i guess not
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13:36<zxxd>i specified netboot in initramfs.conf , i see my nic module in initrd but i dont think it is being loaded during bootup
13:36<zxxd>how can i fix this
13:36<johns>Flinx: Yeah, it does not default to vfat.. Because you could modify your uboot instead to have it boot ext2
13:36<jhf>fxiny: its alpha..mhh..
13:36<johns>Flinx: but modifying uboot did not work for me
13:36<fxiny>jhf: you have to redirect to a new file se ... file > new_file
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13:38<jhf>fxiny: yes i do, but its same..also diff file1 file2 doesnt show changes..
13:38<jhf> # Substitute "foo" with "bar" on each line
13:38<jhf> sed 's/foo/bar/' file # replaces only 1st instance in a line
13:38<jhf> sed 's/foo/bar/4' file # replaces only 4th instance in a line
13:38<jhf> sed 's/foo/bar/g' file # replaces ALL instances within a line
13:38<jhf> # Substitute "foo" with "bar" ONLY for lines which contain "baz"
13:39<jhf> sed '/baz/s/foo/bar/g' file
13:39<fxiny>jhf: don't do that
13:40<NotoriuStyle>hy guyz ... need some help :)
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13:40<fxiny>jhf: echo "a b c" > file then run my sed line on file
13:41<Flinx>NotoriuStyle, usually people just ask questions ;)
13:41<Flinx>johns, are you using the script for hotplugging the usb>?
13:41<fxiny>jhf: you obviously get "a c"
13:41<NotoriuStyle>ok sorry for that :) ... i can' install Azureus on my debian :(
13:41<Flinx>NotoriuStyle, what errors are you getting?
13:42<johns>Flinx: I don't think I'm familiar with that script
13:42<NotoriuStyle>"com.aelitis.azureus.core.AzureusCoreException: Azureus core already instantiated"
13:43<johns>Flinx: ah, no. I don't have the setup settled enough to be scripted yet.. But it only takes 5 seconds to paste the iptables commands anyway :)
13:44<johns>and because of the wifi, I don't necessarily want it to do networking over USB everytime it is connected
13:44<Flinx>I don't have wifi >.<
13:44<Flinx>at least not on the phone
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13:45<Flinx>something isn't sticking >.<
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13:48<NotoriuStyle>flinx, it says me "Azureus core already instantiated"
13:48<Flinx>NotoriuStyle, I saw that ;)
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13:48<NotoriuStyle>ok sorry ... just reminded u ^^
13:49<Flinx>NotoriuStyle, have you see this?
13:49<NotoriuStyle>let me check
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13:51<NotoriuStyle>nope ... i haven't seen this, btw it doesn't say how to fix the problem :(
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13:51<Flinx>read the wiki
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13:59<johns>Flinx: Were you asking because you were having trouble with the script, or just asking about whether usb networking in general works on debian?
13:59<Flinx>I'm having problems with the script
13:59<Flinx>its not setting the gateway properly
14:00<Flinx>and apparently.. mkfs isn't on my FR >.>
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14:00<johns>Flinx: Yeah, the script goes and fetches the dos fs tools...
14:00<Flinx>oh der.. i see it now
14:01<tshack>Hello everybody.
14:01<johns>Flinx: I have problems on my work network because it has the same address range
14:01<Flinx>The solution for me was to just use "ifconfig usb0 netmask"
14:01<Flinx>then it works with the script
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14:02<Flinx>at home i have a 192.168.3.x so its not an issue
14:04<Flinx>johns, how did you install the dostools?
14:04<Flinx>I just did a wget for it
14:04<Flinx>but from there i dunno what I need to do >.<
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14:05<cmos>can some one help me with a price of code i got
14:05<cmos>echo "${a:+2}
14:06<johns>Flinx: I'm not sure how you would do that.. I reran the install script, because that setting matters for a later stage as well, not just the partitioning stage
14:06<cmos>the output is 2
14:06<cmos>how does this work
14:07<cmos>hi johns can i ask what u problem is
14:07<tshack>Is it unreasonable to think that DMA can be enabled for a USB pen drive?
14:08<Flinx>johns, did you not install dostools then?
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14:08<johns>Flinx: the script automatically installs dostools
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14:08<Flinx>then I'm really confused about why I can't format the device >.<
14:08<johns>Flinx: What are you trying to do at this point?
14:09<Flinx>format the SD card
14:09<cmos>well did u try cfdisk
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14:09<cmos>or try fdisk with the device name
14:09<Flinx>cmos, this is for the openmoko Freerunner (FYI)
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14:10<johns>Flinx: But why are you trying to format it by hand?
14:10<Flinx>so that i can make it vfat
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14:10<johns>Flinx: you don't want to just run the install script again?
14:10<Flinx>I could...
14:11<Flinx>but why would it work the second time?
14:11<johns>Flinx: because just formatting it won't fix the problem
14:11<johns>Flinx: because you didn't do it with the vfat setting the first time, did you?
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14:11<Flinx>see.. that wasn't in the instructions :p
14:11<Flinx>at least not the ones for default installs
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14:12<Flinx>crap.. where did I put the
14:15<Flinx>SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./ all ??
14:15<johns>Flinx: That looks correct
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14:16<Flinx>now we wait.
14:16<johns>it would be nice to have the actual installer ported
14:16<johns>I had to run the script a few times for it to work properly, but it did work in the end
14:17<Flinx>well yeah
14:17<Flinx>I might move the NAND to Qtopia for a little while
14:17<Flinx>not sure if I'm ready for two changes tho ;)
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14:20<johns>Flinx: Yeah, I have 2008.8 on the NAND but I'm focusing on the debian install right now..
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14:23<Flinx>I'll prolly do that, my next goal is to hang out at the AT&T store until i get a working SIM ;)
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14:34<anto>What do i have to add to menu.lst if i want to add Windows XP x64 to it, its located on /dev/sdb2
14:35<Flinx>anto gimmie a second I know where to look
14:35<widrone>Flinx: Stalker! ;) I wish you all the luck, hope they cave sooner then later.
14:35<anto>first time i add a windows produkt to my computer in 4years
14:35<Flinx>widrone, how am I a Stalker? :p
14:36<Flinx>title Windows
14:36<Flinx>rootnoverify (hd0,1)
14:36<Flinx>chainloader +1
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14:36<anto>Flinx you sure about that?
14:36<Flinx>anto I think you will need (hd1,1)
14:36<anto>that is what i tried
14:37<Flinx>should work...
14:37<anto>not i had root (hd1,1)
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14:37<anto>whats the difference in rootnoverify and root ?
14:37<widrone>Flinx: Camping out the poor at&t stores, maybe bringing them coffe will help? Ill just liten in now, as Im using that install script myself over the weekend.
14:38<Flinx>anto, I'm reading this
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14:38<widrone>anto: for grub the (0,1) is hda1 if I dont remember wrong.
14:38<Flinx>widrone, #openmok is a really good place to go ;)
14:39<Flinx>widrone, and no you are not wrong
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14:39<anto>attempt nr 8 to fix my dual boot
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14:41<widrone>Flinx: #openmoko , you lost an "o" I think ;)
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14:41<Flinx>widrone, damn... you caught my ebul plan-making...
14:41<Flinx>widrone, ;)
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14:43<Flinx>btw widrone if your going to install debian on your FR you better have some patience, cause the install takes ages
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14:44<widrone>Flinx: Im used to doing debian installs on the nslu, do i expect worse? But thanks for the warning.
14:44<Flinx>widrone, I dunno? The FR is my first development toy :D
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14:45<widrone>Antos grubline didnt work, but he sort of fell into the debian channel on another network comming back =)
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14:56<avtobiff>hi, i need help compiling a kernel (vanilla or debian) on powerpc. i know my way around kernel compiling but i get some weird assembly error during make-kpkg that I have never seen before.
14:56<avtobiff>just a minute and i'll post the output
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15:00<Warp4>hi all
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15:00<Warp4>quick question - trying to get my windows workstations to connect to my samba powered domain controller. however when i go to join the domain it says that the domain controller for the domain cannot be found
15:00<Warp4>or contacted, rather
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15:11<Flinx>warp4, are they on the same domain?
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15:11<Shadowdancer>it's quiz time! A system (Lenovo Thinkpad) works perfectly with kernel 2.6.21.something, but freezes hard with a stock Debian 2.6.25-486-2 build, as well as with a custom, even when all non-essential drivers are stripped from the latter.
15:12<Shadowdancer>SysRq doesn't work, there is no output to the console, no kernel debugging option does anything.
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15:13<Shadowdancer>I had similar issues with anything past 2.6.22 on a Dell system (C2D CPU).
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15:14<cahoot>my TP (T61) runs just fine on debian kernels
15:14<Shadowdancer>Z61m here
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15:16<blarson>Shadowdancer: No problems with 2.6.25-2 on my z61m
15:16<cahoot>the 'freeze' occurs at what stage? no error?
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15:16<Shadowdancer>it freezes after a more or less random time, mostly within 10 minutes after boot, but I had it run for an hour.
15:16<Shadowdancer>nothing. It just stops dead.
15:17<cahoot>nothing in syslog?
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15:17<Shadowdancer>let me check that, but I can't remember seeing anything
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15:18<blarson>Shadowdancer: Why are you running the 486 kernel rather than the 686 one?
15:18<cahoot>not using nvidia drivers?
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15:20<EmleyMoor>The wireless on my laptop keeps associating with a network I haven't given it permission to in wpa_supplicant.conf - why?
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15:21<Shadowdancer>cahoot: DRI/DRM, sound, and network drivers are all not guilty, I tried a kernel without all those.
15:21<Shadowdancer>and the syslog just stops.
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15:22<EmleyMoor>cahoot: How do I stop it doing it?
15:22<dondelelcaro>Shadowdancer: does it happen faster or slower if the machine is loaded?
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15:22<Shadowdancer>dondelelcaro: not that I'm aware of.
15:23<dondelelcaro>Shadowdancer: well, that'd be something to check; random freezes are often indicative of hardware problems
15:23<Shadowdancer>dondelelcaro: the machine works perfectly under 2.6.21, as well as Windows (as far as it goes...)
15:23<dondelelcaro>Shadowdancer: ah, ok.
15:23<Shadowdancer>I built several kernels ;-)
15:24<Shadowdancer>to be fair, I built one under, and the machine only crashed a while after that.
15:25<widrone>avtobiff: did you ever post that link to the errors? Is your ppc a gamecube? ;)
15:25<EmleyMoor>This is a massive problem - associating with a wireless network I just don't want!
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15:28<avtobiff>widrone, sorry. i had some problems with the cat5 here :)
15:29<avtobiff>they're solved now
15:29<avtobiff>widrone, it's a gamecube, why?!
15:29<avtobiff>widrone, JOKE, it's a mac mini ppc g4
15:29<Shadowdancer>so it's a no-game cube ;-)
15:30<widrone>avtobiff: Hehe, no reason... just my favorite PPC these days so I had to guess.
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15:31<avtobiff>Shadowdancer, hehe correct :)
15:31<avtobiff>i'll just do a make-kpkg on it and pastebin somewhere
15:31<avtobiff>btw... i'll pastebin the .config first
15:33<EmleyMoor>It looks like wpa-supplicant just isn't doing it's job
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15:35<EmleyMoor>It worked great last night
15:35<Flinx>sweeeeeeeet I have Debian on my FR now
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15:36<johns>Flinx: Nice, isn't it? :)
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15:37<Shadowdancer>I feel tempted to try kgdb
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15:38<Flinx>johns, its really unresponsive >.<
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15:42<cahoot>EmleyMoor: you run wpa-supplicant 'manually?
15:42<Flinx>I love the default contacts
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15:43<EmleyMoor>cahoot: I just did, to test - I have found the problem
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15:44<EmleyMoor>id_strs need quotes, it seems, and anything with no psk needs key_mgmt=NONE
15:45<cahoot>so since it could 'do its job' you got connected to a wpa-less network?
15:46<cahoot>add a not
15:46<Flinx>johns, have you run the ??
15:46<johns>Flinx: Yeah
15:47<johns>Flinx: I don't think it worked for me -- I still boot by manually selecting Boot from MicroSD
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15:47<EmleyMoor>It's still being very strange
15:47<Flinx>was it faster?
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15:52<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to tell wpa_supplicant "never connect" to a particular network?
15:52<avtobiff>EmleyMoor, yes, check man wpa_supplicant.conf
15:52<avtobiff>EmleyMoor, afaik
15:54<EmleyMoor>I can't see anything in that manpage about telling it "ignore this"
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15:56<cahoot>try restrict
15:57<Flinx>where is the dfu-util package?
15:57<Flinx>better yet... if i just add the executable to /usr/bin it'll be in $PATH yes?
15:58<themill>!info dfu-util
15:58<Flinx>thanks themill :D
15:58<Flinx>but i just added it to /usr/bin
15:58<dpkg>dfu-util: (Device firmware update (DFU) USB programmer), section electronics, is extra. Version: 0.0+r4067-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 68 kB
15:58<themill>dpkg: you're slow
15:58<dpkg>No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1!
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15:59<themill>Flinx: that package installs /usr/bin/dfu-util.
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16:00<EmleyMoor>It now seems to be exhibiting the right kind of behaviour
16:00<EmleyMoor>I have it set to set an invalid address if it roams onto a wrong network anyway
16:01<Flinx>themill, I already had it downloaded
16:01<Flinx>so realyl it was just a matter of putting it in the right place ;)
16:01*EmleyMoor wonders what he might be able to do to find out where the open wireless networks round here actually are and alert the owners
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16:03<widrone>EmleyMoor: I noticed walking in a spesific part of the room above me every time I overloaded one of the open networks here. Turned out it was the owner resetting the wireless, ssid names is also a good pointer sometimes.
16:04<EmleyMoor>widrone: Yes - unfortunately I don't know anyone whose name implies this one
16:04<EmleyMoor>I might go and check the electoral roll to see if anyone nearby has the right first name
16:04<widrone>EmleyMoor: A directional antenna can help with pinpointing and triangulation. There may be some charting apps that use gps/nema, but Im guessing that will cost. Like "site setup manager sw"
16:05<EmleyMoor>I actually suspect it may be across the road - or possibly in a flat on the floor above
16:06<widrone>EmleyMoor: Get somewhere you can observ/stalk the suspects then overload their upsteam. If you see movement and then disconnects, paydirt!
16:06<widrone>Repeat until police commes or you are satisfied its them.
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16:07<widrone>If there is default names in ssid, go for someone not computer savy. The social angle may be better then the tecnical.
16:08<widrone>EmleyMoor: You hit one of my strange hobbies, mapping random essids to accual homes. ;)
16:08<EmleyMoor>There is a "Belkin54g" sometimes on and near enough... but the real problem one has a person's name in it
16:08<EmleyMoor>I know the name of the wireless network next door - fortunately that one is secure
16:08<widrone>Go look at mailboxes in the desired direction, signal strength should tell you abit if you can move abouts.
16:09<widrone>the default page on their wireless thingy also sometimes contain personal info or userids provided by the isp too. *cough* (You may already be breaking local law here so Ill stop now)
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16:11<widrone>lists of other machines that got dhcp, people give their laptops personal names you know. And macs often use the first name of the person who registred it as hostname (transmitted in the dhcp request too) :)
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16:16<widrone>EmleyMoor: Have another possible solution if you want to just warn them, insert/rewrite all their http requests and insert a picture with link to information (contact / fixing page etc)
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16:44<ike>what was the file that controlled which alsa device came fist ?
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16:50<Shadowdancer>ike: you create a file in /etc/modprobe.d with the proper module options
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16:51<Shadowdancer>ike: mine is just calles "sound". contents:
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16:51<ike>ok, i could swear there was a file in there that just had alias=snd_emu10k1 and card=blah and the other one
16:52<ike>ah yes
16:52<Shadowdancer>there may be another solution, but that one works
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16:53<dpkg>Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of dmseg)
16:53<ike>thats the one that i used previously thanks :>
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16:55<avtobiff>this is what i get when i try to compile linux-source-2.6.24 with linux-patch-openvz ... with config file . can someone please help me? :)
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16:57<F0XDIE>I've instaled this afternoon a Debian Lenny
16:57<ike>avtobiff, try
16:57<F0XDIE>I've configured it in spanish, and when I press "CAPS LOCK"
16:57<avtobiff>ike, there is no linux-patch-openvz for 2.6.26
16:58<F0XDIE>all the keys are capitalized, but "E" and "C" no
16:58<F0XDIE>what can I do?
16:58<ike>avtobiff, try adding ENDR where it seems logical?
16:59<avtobiff>ike, i have tried to compile linux-2.6.26 from openvz git but it gives some other asm error
17:00<ike>might want to check if its configuring for the right ppc chip
17:00<avtobiff>ike, there is no logic. i think it is expanded with macros in that particular file
17:00<avtobiff>ike, i think i am. at least it has the same settings as the /boot/config-* i am using now
17:01<ike>what machine is it btw?
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17:03<avtobiff>ike, g4
17:03<ike>so 7447 or something
17:03<avtobiff>afaik it is a 6xx or a 7xx or similar
17:04<avtobiff>or maybe 74xx yes :)
17:04<avtobiff>at least that is selected
17:04<ike>CONFIG_ALTIVEC=y do you have that chip?
17:04<avtobiff>i don't know what it is
17:04<avtobiff>but does not have | | any affect on a non-altivec cpu
17:05<avtobiff>so there should be no problem in enabling it
17:05<ike>i suggest playing with the cpu stuff, strange that it doesnt have 7xxx only 6xxx tho
17:07<avtobiff>ike, there is nothing to play with. either i select 5xx/6xx/7xx/74xx/.../etc or some FreeScale or AMCC (I don't recognize either of them)
17:07<avtobiff> 52xx/6xx/7xx/74xx/82xx/83xx/86xx
17:07<ike>try 74xx
17:07<avtobiff>ike, it is the same
17:07<avtobiff>from proc/cpuinfo i get cpu: 7447A, altivec supported
17:08<avtobiff>but it doesn't work compiling it :(
17:08<ike>try amigaos4 ^^
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17:08<ike>nvm , i guess its not a mac mini
17:08<avtobiff>it is a mac mini
17:08<ike>1.5 ghz?
17:08<avtobiff>1.4 GHz
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17:09<ike>cant remember which it was but either the 1.4 or 1.5 can almost run AmigaOs 4 trough some hack
17:10<avtobiff>ike, ok... but i want debian and openvz working on it :)
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17:10<avtobiff>not amigaos4 or osx or someotheros :)
17:10<ike>no you dont you just think you do ^^
17:10<ike>try replacing the files that break with newer oens and pray
17:10<ike>ones *
17:10<avtobiff>so, you don't know anything more that can help me? :)
17:10<avtobiff>ike, not even vanilla git compiles
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17:12<Mr_Giraffe>bah, despite my best efforts i can't get this machine to boot properly using debian
17:12<ike>what happens
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17:13<Mr_Giraffe>whenever i try to reboot (and sometimes when i'm simply booting) i get a machine check exception
17:13<Mr_Giraffe>this doesn't happen in ubuntu x64 or windows vista
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17:13<widrone>avtobiff: There may be more hints over at if there is some strangeness with your spesific hardware or other things.
17:13<FOXDIE>Hi, I've some troubles in a new instalation of Debian Lenny
17:13<Mr_Giraffe>on booting i'd say about half of attempts to boot end in the system rebooting itself
17:13<ike>Mr_Giraffe, try a debian testing image or nightly buidld or weekly
17:14<Mr_Giraffe>ike, i'm using debian testing
17:14<ike>should be good then
17:14<Mr_Giraffe>but it's not.
17:14<FOXDIE>when I press "Caps Lock" in a tty, all the keys are capitalized minus the "e" and "c" keys
17:14<FOXDIE>what can I do?
17:14<FOXDIE>I've the locales to spanish, with UTF-8
17:14<FOXDIE>I've also tried En_US.UTF-8, and the results are the same
17:17<Mr_Giraffe>ike, you there?
17:18<ike>if your using a usb stick to install try replacing the kernel
17:18<ike>or any which way, stuff a different kernel in there
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17:19<ike>the day for cryptic strange errors it seems
17:19<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: something is really odd . . which bootloader? and amd64 arch? or i386? ..
17:19<Mr_Giraffe>enouf, i'm using amd64 and grub
17:19<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: any LVM or disk encryption or RAID at all?
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17:20<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: can you tell us about when it wants to reboot? how far does it get? the initrd loads once you select Debian from grub men?
17:20<ike>Mr_Giraffe, laptop?
17:20<Mr_Giraffe>yeah, it's a laptop
17:20<enouf>make/model ?
17:20<ike>you could try adding single or rather using the recovery
17:20<Mr_Giraffe>hp tx2000
17:21<enouf>hrm ... and recent Debian testing with .25 kernel?
17:21<Mr_Giraffe>but anyway when it's booting the screen will just go back and it will reboot, seemingly at random times
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17:21<Mr_Giraffe>when i want it to reboot, it gets to "Saving system clock..." then throws the MCE
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17:22<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: try booting with ..wait a minute .. hold on
17:22<ike>yes try that =)
17:23<Mr_Giraffe>there's the result from parsemce
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17:23<ike>ok, thats scary
17:23<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: mce=off
17:23<Mr_Giraffe>mce=off seems like a bad idea though
17:24<Mr_Giraffe>if this is a hardware and not a software error, i don't want to ignore it
17:24<Mr_Giraffe> only happened on debian
17:24<Shadowdancer>since it works on other systems, why bother...
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17:24<Mr_Giraffe>because i like debian :P
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17:25<buffoon>hi! i have some messages like "system 00:00: iomem range 0x0-0x9ffff could not be reserved" in dmesg (in the beginning). Should I worry about that?
17:25<Shadowdancer>is there a way to determine what compiler a kernel was built with?
17:25<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: that's the spirit - also checking BTS and reporting bugs if needed is good ;-)
17:25<Mr_Giraffe>well i dunno if this is a bug, that's the issue
17:25<ike>Shadowdancer, the nvidia installer does it
17:25<enouf>Shadowdancer: cat /proc/version ?
17:25<avtobiff>widrone, thanks. i'll check that out
17:26<Shadowdancer>damn, that's not it :-(
17:26<Shadowdancer>or... wait.
17:26<Mr_Giraffe>it COULD be a hardware issue...
17:26<Mr_Giraffe>but i still don't know
17:27<ike>yes that does it
17:27<ike>Mr_Giraffe, i suspect the kernel for some reason
17:27<Shadowdancer>any way to do it on just the vmlinuz file?
17:27<Mr_Giraffe>ike, so do i
17:28<Mr_Giraffe>but i'm wondering if there's some curious way it's built in debian vs. other distros
17:29<Mr_Giraffe>the BIOS memory test came up 100% clean, and i don't think there are any disk errors
17:29<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: some testing, and logs, and such should help home in on it - there's debain-amd64 channel and mailing list, but not sure if it's a kernel (version) issue or just an amd64 arch one, or what .. can you test some other kernels? Make sure the correct initrd is in your Stanzas meant for that kernel, etc
17:29<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: /msg dpkg laptop ..and poke about there, look for your make/model
17:29<Mr_Giraffe>good idea
17:30<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: that's why i always keep some older kernels around - i know they work ;-)
17:30<Mr_Giraffe>well, my model hasn't been tested on linux-laptop
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17:32<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: i don't see ANY tx . nor any 2000 for either HP nor Compaq
17:32<Mr_Giraffe>oh, pavilion tx2000
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17:35<Mr_Giraffe>enouf, that doesn't really help much
17:35<mihau>so, i get that error while changing graphic driver to intel
17:36<Mr_Giraffe>hahaha it's fine :P
17:36<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: i know, it's the HP site, just confirming such a beast exists ;-)
17:37<Mr_Giraffe>oh, i saw the section regarding the tx2000 and it didn't help
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17:38<Mr_Giraffe>bleh, this isn't good for me at all :(
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17:38<enouf> and it appears that guys running ubuntu 8.04 using 2.6.24-21-generic , so likely i386 ?
17:38<enouf>i don't know ubuntu
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17:39<Mr_Giraffe>that's odd, there's actually an amd64 version of ubuntu out there
17:39<enouf>well, the other avenues i mentioned might offer more hope ;-)
17:39<ike>enouf, you almost made worlds longest link ^^
17:39<Mr_Giraffe>one would hope...
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17:40<enouf>ike: haha .. that's a typical youtube full url length ;-P
17:40<Mr_Giraffe>i don't necessarily want to downgrade my kernel since i have to use ndiswrapper for wi-fi
17:40<Mr_Giraffe>and that has to be compiled for the kernel...
17:40<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: i'm hoping it's a kernel regression only - test older ones
17:40<ike>i managed to find one that did all that and one and a half line into the next line once
17:40*Shadowdancer starts the infamous "playing No Milk Today on loop" torture test
17:40<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: you know how Buggy those craptop BIOSes manu are
17:41<enouf>mihau: why a jpg?
17:41<enouf>mihau: no pastebin handy?
17:41<Mr_Giraffe>yeah, like the one article saying that apparently windows "intermittently stops working" after a bios update :P
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17:42<mihau>enouf: cannot find that log
17:42<mihau>its different to the photol
17:42<ike>what a great bios update =)
17:42<Mr_Giraffe>on top of this, i dunno what i can do if this IS a hardware problem
17:42*Shadowdancer finds the kernel config option "KERNEL_STOP_MACHINE=y" slightly irritating
17:42<Mr_Giraffe>because i'm using 32-bit vista (well, "using", more like keeping it in case wine doesn't work)
17:42<Mr_Giraffe>and it's not throwing any errors that it should be throwing if this is a hardware issue
17:43<Mr_Giraffe>plus, it seems odd that it'd throw an MCE if it's trying to save the system clock, don't you think?
17:43<ike>oh no tell me he didnt say the V word?!
17:44<Mr_Giraffe>please, i threw linux on here the second i had a blank DVD :P
17:44<ike>ok then i'll forgive you
17:44<ike>do you have usb stick?
17:44<Mr_Giraffe>yes, why?
17:45<ike>try using that to install, tho im not familiar with using that method on a 64 bit system
17:45<ike>thats alot more flexible
17:45<Mr_Giraffe>well i used netinst...are there any known problems there?
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17:45<ike>shouldnt be
17:45<enouf>mihau: ok
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17:46<mihau>i did modprobe intel-agp
17:46<mihau>and still the same\
17:46<enouf>mihau: that's your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:46<enouf>mihau: it says it right there :-P
17:46<mihau>i checkad that
17:46<mihau>and its different ;p
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17:47<Mr_Giraffe>well, i guess i'll try different kernels
17:47<Mr_Giraffe>enouf, where should i get them?
17:47<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: p.d.o
17:47<ike>mihau, do a lspci and see if the device is reall 0:2:1
17:48<Shadowdancer>Mr_Giraffe: may I suggest 2.6.21... :-(
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17:48<enouf>Mr_Giraffe:, or
17:48<Mr_Giraffe>ah, ok
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17:48<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: you could even grab a sid one and try it
17:48<Mr_Giraffe>Shadowdancer, i'll give it a shot
17:48<Mr_Giraffe>that might work, upgrading instead of downgrading
17:49<Mr_Giraffe>but then the issue is that i'd need to get the sid linux headers too to compile kernel modules...
17:49<Shadowdancer>Mr_Giraffe: that was more out of frustration, since that seems to be the latest kernel that doesn't freeze solid on two of my systems.
17:49<Mr_Giraffe>oh, eesh, the problems with the latest releases are that bad?
17:49<Shadowdancer>build from stock source
17:49<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: it's not ndiswrapper or anything that's causing the MCE errors, AFAICT
17:49<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: worry about that much later
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17:50<enouf>it's the rebooting crap you want to fix - also, pass teh kernel the options as listed in that URL i posted (mce=off)
17:50<Mr_Giraffe>well, i'll try...
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17:51<ike>i had a laptop come trough here which refused to do wiered networks, it was amd64 too , tried a 3com pcmcia card nah, the built in realtek standard thing nah, installed xp flashed the bios downloaded the drivers from the laptop manu. nada.... so i suggest chucking the whole thing in the ocean and forget about it
17:51<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: for testing, you only want to grab linux-image-VERSIONs, and dpkg -i to install them
17:51<enouf>ike: heh .. at that point sure ;-)(
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17:52<Mr_Giraffe>hahaha well yeah, if it gets that bad i'm just going to send this thing back to HP and get a new one
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17:53<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: one more thing, with the kernel you're using now, run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
17:53<enouf>(just as a side guess)
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17:54<Mr_Giraffe>why would that help?
17:54<enouf>it might not, but it won't hurt
17:54<enouf>it updates the initrd
17:54<Mr_Giraffe>well, why not
17:54<mihau>ike: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
17:54<mihau>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
17:55<enouf>wow, no version of chipset, haha
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17:55<ike>hm, shouldnt there be a intel-gma driver?
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17:56<enouf>nah, for xorg, it's intel or i810
17:56<mihau>dont ask me ;p
17:56<enouf>and they are one and the same now, IINM
17:56<enouf>mihau: is that Etch?
17:56<ike>well try changing the device in /etc/X11/xorg to 0:02:0 or whatever
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17:56<Mr_Giraffe>well, i'm going to reboot now
17:56<enouf>mihau: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg an see if i810 is listed - select it if it is
17:57<mihau>i will
17:57<enouf>ok Mr_Giraffe
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17:58<enouf>ike: actually, the (WW) you see in that screenshot is typical when no external monitor is present, IINM - but we need to see the whole log
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17:58<mihau>wich bus identifier should i write?
17:58<ike>true, but i had this problem trying to configure a 3dfx voodoo2 card once , i failed but
17:58<enouf>show us your Xorg.0.log in a pastebin
17:58<mihau>or 021
17:59<ike>0:2:0 its tried 021
17:59<enouf>and try what i said
17:59<enouf>dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-* | grep ^.i says?
17:59<dpkg>No packages found matching xserver-xorg-video-* | grep ^.i says
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18:02<mihau>enouf: ii xserver-xorg-video-all 7.1.0-19 the X.Org X server -- output driver metapack
18:02<mihau>ii xserver-xorg-video-apm 1.1.1-3 X.Org X server -- APM display driver
18:02<mihau>ii xserver-xorg-video-ark 0.6.0-3 X.Org X server -- ark display driver
18:02<mihau>ii xserver-xorg-video-ati 6.6.3-2 X.Org X server -- ATI display driver
18:02<mihau>ii xserver-xorg-video-chips 1.1.1-4 X.Org X server -- Chips display driver
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18:03<ike>gee that was smart
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18:03<mihau>didnt copy the link ;/
18:03<enouf>i forget to narrow the field further too
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18:04<Mr_Giraffe>well, the dpkg-reconfigure thing actually got rid of the MCE
18:04<Mr_Giraffe>so it reboots now! ...i think.
18:04<Mr_Giraffe>but i can't suspend or hibernate
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18:06<Mr_Giraffe>ike, enouf, any ideas?
18:06<Mr_Giraffe>suspend and hibernate just seem to reboot the system :o
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18:06<ike>apt-get dist-upgrade
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18:07<Mr_Giraffe>i did a netinst, so all the packages should be the most recent
18:07<Mr_Giraffe>and i just tried that and nothing was upgarded :P
18:07<Mr_Giraffe>upgraded, even
18:07<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: ok, wow .. so halfway there almost?
18:07<ike>do you have testing and unstable in tour /etc/apt/source.list
18:08<Mr_Giraffe>i'm using testing, but i don't have unstable in there
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18:09<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: i'm not too good with suspend/hibernate issues save to say, make sure acpi-support-* is installed - not sure which s2ram/s2disk thing you want to use. .. etc
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18:09<Mr_Giraffe>i'd prefer suspend to disk
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18:09<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: do you have any boot parameters? (such as mce=off ?) cat /proc/cmdline will show us
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18:10<Mr_Giraffe>root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet
18:10<enouf>well, ACPI is usually a function of Buggy BIOSes :-P
18:10<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: that's fine - how about any errors in dmesg?
18:11<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: hehe, even MPoop's Blista had issues
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18:11<Mr_Giraffe>oh great D:
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18:12<Mr_Giraffe>well (not) coincidentally, this thing uses the nforce chipset
18:12<Mr_Giraffe>right while nvidia is dealing with the possibility that some chips that they released might have a 100% failure rate.
18:12<enouf>oh dear ..
18:12<mihau>gonna reboot x
18:13<enouf>mihau: how's it going?
18:13<mihau>hope i810 driver will work
18:13<mihau>i reconfigured xorg
18:13<enouf>mihau: please, if using a DM, do /etc/init.d/gdm restart
18:13<mihau>hopefully ;p
18:14<enouf>mihau: rather than ctrl-alt-backspace
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18:20<enouf>erm, doesn't Mr_Giraffe need a resume=/dev/xxx in his cmdline option for s2disk?
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18:20<weasel>enouf: the initrd should take care of that
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18:20<enouf>weasel: ahh .. ok, but he posted his cmdline above, wouldn't that show it if it existed? [18:09:37] <Mr_Giraffe> root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet
18:21<enouf>oh .. hrm .. my bad then
18:21<weasel>the initrd doesn't need a kernel parameter to resume
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18:21<mihau>still wont work
18:22<enouf>weasel: ok, thanks for that info - i have some more research to do about all that then
18:23<enouf>mihau: please pastebin output of dmesg | grep -i gart and your Xorg.0.log, and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:23<enouf>mihau: oh, and cat /proc/cmdline and lscpi -nn please
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18:26<enouf>weasel: so, if i understand you correctly, if everything is setup correctly, at most, and last resort - doing a "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-VERSION" should take care of all that then? (i mean, an update-initramfs -u command isn't needed, is it? - i guess unless something isn't setup correctly, missing modules, and such .. hrm)
18:26<weasel>no idea
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18:27<enouf>ok, fair enough ;-)
18:27<mihau>dmesg | grep -i gart gave nothing
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18:28<enouf>mihau: try egrep -i 'gart|agp' /var/log/dmesg
18:28<Mr_Giraffe>uhh, apparently i was wrong
18:28<Mr_Giraffe>and the MCE is still there D:
18:29<mihau>the same
18:29<Mr_Giraffe>time to downgrade the kernel, i guess
18:29<enouf>mihau: ok, continue on with the others
18:29<enouf>mihau: other files i mentioned
18:29<Mr_Giraffe>or perhaps i should upgrade it...
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18:29<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: why/how were you fooled?
18:29<mihau>everything is in that file
18:29<mihau>all other things
18:30<Mr_Giraffe>enouf, it just didn't do it once, but then it did it again the next time i rebooted
18:30<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: are you sure your Grub stanzas are correct? including the #kopts=root= and #groot= lines ?
18:30<enouf>(not that i can see a direct correlation, but still)
18:31<Mr_Giraffe>they should be, i didn't modify them at all
18:31<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: and if you have 2 or more grub installs on various HDDs ensure that your looking at the correct menu.lst :-P
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18:32<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: also, see if the issue still occurs when cold booting (not rebooting)
18:32<Mr_Giraffe>enouf, it reboots itself sometimes when cold booting
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18:33<Mr_Giraffe>but again, it seems to happen randomly
18:33<enouf>righto - from earlier you mentioned that - but still?
18:33<enouf>what a PITA
18:34<enouf>mihau: use a pastebin site
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18:34<mihau>give me a link ;p
18:34<enouf>mihau: all i see is dpkg -l output that you posted much earlier - oh wait! i refreshed now ;-)
18:34<enouf>mihau: nm ;-)
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18:37<Mr_Giraffe>enouf, if i download and install the memtest86+ package, how do i run it?
18:38<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: what's this say; grep '8086\ .*2a02' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap
18:38<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: you boot into it - there's a grub option - see menu.lst
18:38<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: the installation cd also has it on it - you could boot into that
18:39<enouf>mihau: what's this say; grep '8086\ .*2a02' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap
18:39<enouf>Mr_Giraffe: , mihau bad tab ^^^
18:39<mihau>ok ;p
18:40<enouf>an ICH8 chipset should have no issues
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18:41<enouf>how odd --> (--) PCI:*(0:2:0) Intel Corporation unknown chipset (0x2a02) rev 3, Mem @ 0x52100000/20, 0x40000000/28, I/O @ 0x5110/3 (--) PCI: (0:2:1) Intel Corporation unknown chipset (0x2a03) rev 3, Mem @ 0x52200000/20
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18:42<mihau>enouf: any ideas in my case?
18:42<enouf>mihau: run as root; or sudo update-pciids - you might have some BIOS issues you need ot fix or just settings you need to adjust ..
18:42<enouf>mihau: what's this say; grep '8086\ .*2a02' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap <-- what's the output?
18:43<enouf>mihau: the 1st one to Mr_G was the bad tab .. dammit :-P
18:44*enouf is perplexed
18:44<mihau>is there any chance to change screen resolution without changing the driver? '[
18:44<mihau>i want 1280x1024
18:44<mihau>1024x768 kills my eyesw ;p
18:44<enouf>mihau: yeah, i know, i'm using 1280x1024 here
18:45<mihau>damn notebooks ;p
18:45<enouf>VESA should be able to do up to 1600x1200 iinm .. not sure about the Xorg driver though
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18:45<enouf>mihau: dmesg | grep -i vesa
18:46<enouf>mihau: append vga=791 to your kernel line in menu.lst
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18:46<enouf>mihau: this only affects Console Framebuffer, but it's much nicer, and will force load the vesafb kernel module
18:47<enouf>mihau: here's my /proc/cmdline root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 <-- note 791 == 1024x768x16bit, but that's console , so it's not bad ;-)
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18:48<mihau>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/sda5 ro vga=791
18:48<mihau>something liek that?
18:49<enouf>mihau: exactly
18:49<mihau>can i force 1280.x768?
18:49<enouf>you can play with other values for that later .. see "Linux video mode numbers"
18:49<enouf>791 works on almost all machines
18:49<enouf>that's why i say try that 1st
18:50<enouf>many Craptops have odd resolutions like 1440x9xx or something
18:50<mihau>gonna reboot
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18:56<mihau>when i saw those small letters
18:56<enouf>mihau: ?
18:56<mihau>i though it will also work for x 'd
18:56<enouf>mihau: nope ;-)
18:56<enouf>mihau: oh, and not sure this is relevant, but certainly a good thing - do this; COLUMNS=175 dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-* | grep ^.i <--show me output
18:57<mihau>ii libgl1-mesa-dri 6.5.1-0.6 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- DRI modules
18:57<mihau>ii libgl1-mesa-glx 6.5.1-0.6 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- GLX runtime
18:57<enouf>heh, ok ,that's good
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18:58<mihau>so, can i forget about 1280x1024? :(
18:58<mihau>should i*
18:59<enouf>mihau: please check your BIOS and enable Onboard Video or whatever - check all Video settings, and even PCIe ones - i have no idea whether you should or shouldn't have AGP, or any GART modules loading, since that's a PCIe Chipset, unless i'm mistaken, but worse - pcimap isn;t returning anything for your 8086:2a02 .. ugh
18:59<enouf>mihau: no, if you dmesg | grep -i vesa now, you;ll see
19:00<mihau>vesafb: framebuffer at 0x40000000, mapped to 0xf8880000, using 3072k, total 7616k
19:00<mihau>vesafb: mode is 1024x768x16, linelength=2048, pages=3
19:00<mihau>vesafb: protected mode interface info at 00ff:44f0
19:00<mihau>vesafb: scrolling: redraw
19:00<mihau>vesafb: Truecolor: size=0:5:6:5, shift=0:11:5:0
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19:00<enouf>mihau: no, something is wrong somewhere - does your laptop support 1280x1024? that's a 5:4 ratio usually used by 15/17/19" External LCDs
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19:00<Woet>mv: cannot move `samp.ban' to `/home/agentlopez/server1046/samp.ban': Device or resource busy
19:00<Woet>mv: cannot move `server_log.txt' to `/home/agentlopez/server1046/server_log.txt': Device or resource busy
19:00<Woet>the files seem to have some kind of symlink
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19:01<Woet>someone has any idea what it might be?
19:01<mihau>i forgot ;p
19:01<Woet>the files act like a symlink, but they give those errors when I try moving them
19:01<enouf>mihau: i thought you knew better - do NOT paste into the channel like that please
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19:01<mihau>its quite late
19:01<enouf>mihau: no, something is wrong somewhere - does your laptop support 1280x1024? that's a 5:4 ratio usually used by 15/17/19" External LCDs
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19:01<mihau>well, i think it should
19:02<mihau>its toshiba l300-11g
19:02<Woet>nobody has any idea at all..?
19:03<enouf>mihau: what is that thing? tell me about it? make/model, ok ... "/msg dpkg laptop" follow URLs and find your make/model and hopefully debian etch installations
19:03<enouf>mihau: think it should? the Specifications will tell you
19:03<mihau>toshiba satellite l300-11g
19:03<enouf>mihau: and they all have a "native" resolution
19:04<mihau>it says it is 1280x800
19:04<enouf>mihau: what does?
19:04<widrone>Woet: 2 min from pasting some error to "noone", chill. You say act like symlink? And are these both on the same device/filesystem? (for starters)
19:04<Woet>they are both in /home on the same hdd/filesystem
19:04<enouf>mihau: if it says max resolution is 1280x800 how do you expect to use 1280x1024 ?
19:04<widrone>Woet: Is it a symlink?
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19:05<mihau>15.4? Toshiba TruBrite? WXGA TFT High Brightness display, resolution 1,280 x 800, 200 cd/m
19:05<Woet>widrone: no, it acts like one
19:05<Woet>but it isnt
19:05<mihau>so, its max resolution, right?
19:05<enouf>mihau: gee thanks ... sigh
19:05<mihau>anyway, i cant even get that resolution
19:05<enouf>well, you should be able to get that - and atleast a working Xorg
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19:06<enouf>mihau: your Chipset info is munged, as i mentioned
19:06<enouf>mihau: Xorg has no idea what it is ... AFAICT
19:06<enouf>no does the kernel
19:06<mihau>so, nothing to do about it?
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19:07<widrone>Woet: ls -l the file in question, not sure I understand what you mean at all. Wery strange.
19:07<enouf>mihau: i mentioned possible things - some BIOS related - last resort, upgrade to lenny - however, this should be figured out
19:07<Woet>[root@svr12 agentlopez]# ls -l server_log.txt
19:07<Woet>-rwxrwxrwx 1 gtahost12 gtahost12 83600743 Aug 22 00:55 server_log.txt
19:07<Woet>but when I try moving it, it wont move
19:07<Woet>with the error 'Device or resource busy'
19:07<mihau>so, ill try with bios
19:07<Woet>there is no process that reads/rights it
19:07<Woet>read/writes **
19:08<widrone>Woet: You sure there is nothing hanging on to it? System says its busy.
19:08<Woet>widrone: any kind of check on that?
19:08<Woet>ps faux shows nothing related to it
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19:08<enouf>mihau: it's not a big mission-critical server, and lenny has newer software, but it breaks, sometimes a lot, sometimes a little, but nobody forces you to upgrade it either (though security updates, while not backed are recommended)
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19:09<Woet>newsense: nothing there
19:09<newsense>nothing from ps or lsof and still in use heh
19:09<widrone>Woet: fuser -c maybe if my memory serves me today.
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19:11<Woet>widrone: what is that supposed to do?
19:11<Woet>mm, it isnt -c
19:11<Woet>nothing when using 'fuser server_log.txt'
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19:12<Woet>though I still cant move it
19:12<enouf>Woet: try cp, see what happens
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19:13<enouf>well - rm'ing the orig will be the issue now ;-)
19:13<enouf>Woet: did you use cp -a?
19:13<Woet>enkrypt: no, just cp
19:14<Woet>and I still cant rm it
19:14<Woet>it seems to be mounted
19:14<enouf>Woet: do it again, and use -a
19:14<widrone>well I think fuser also have some kill functionality on file access if you are intending to go brutal on it.
19:14<enouf>lsof should report something - just you need to get the params and grep correct
19:15<enouf>like lsof | grep /mnt/point or something or lsof +D /dir | grep
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19:20<Painiac>greetings and salutations
19:21<Painiac>i have a question regarding the syntax of the 'ln' command to create either a hardlink or a symlink.
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19:22<mihau>screw it ;d
19:22<mihau>back on my pc ;p
19:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
19:22<mihau>im exhauted ;p
19:23<Painiac>short version: current debian box has a small, 80 gig drive in it. very soon (tomorrow), I'll be getting a nice big 320 gig puppy to add. It is going to be expansion space for just one user, who would like to keep his home directory also on the old 80 gig drve
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19:24<Painiac>so, can I symlink the new drive as a part of his home directory? if so, what's the proper syntax?
19:24<Painiac>bear in mind, they are two separate physical drives.
19:24<petemc>you can mount partitions anywhere you like
19:24<weasel>you will have to mount the new drive somewhere in the tree
19:25<weasel>like on /media/newdisk, or on /home/user
19:25<Painiac>i'm a little new with this
19:25<Painiac>speak to me like i'm a 4 year old please :)
19:25<weasel>and depending on how you set the permissions on the new drive people can write to it or not
19:25<weasel>Painiac: go find a grown up :)
19:26<Painiac>okay, I'm a 37 year old 4 year old :P
19:26<enouf>mihau: did you run update-pciids yet?
19:26<petemc>learn how to use a search engine
19:26<enouf>mihau: i'm asking in the -dev channel for you
19:26<Painiac>patemc: search engines just don't have enough personality for me.
19:27<Painiac>so I'll mount the drive as /dev/hdb0 or whatever
19:27<enouf>mihau: once you do pciids, show me output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
19:27<weasel>that's not the mount point. /dev/* is the device node.
19:28<weasel>you'll have to mount that somewhere in your tree, like in /mnt/foobar
19:28<weasel>or /mnt/newdisk or something. don't do it under /dev.
19:28<Painiac>ok, see why I jumped on IRC now? my skill is pretty limited
19:29<Painiac>weasel: if you were to do this yourself, how would you go about the actions I'm looking to commit?
19:29<weasel>I'ld mount it under /mnt/newdisk
19:29<weasel>and then maybe create a directory on the new filesystem and give my user access to it
19:30<weasel>they can then decide what to store in the new place and what on /home/$user/
19:30<weasel>(and they can symlink between those places themselves however much they want)
19:30<kp>Painiac, Do you know about fstab?
19:30<Painiac>kp: no not really
19:30<mihau>enouf: sry, was afk
19:30<mihau>enouf: already on my pc ;p
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19:31<mihau>let me turn on notbook;p
19:31<kp>You'll want to make an entry in your fstab for the new drive
19:31<Painiac>worst case scenario: i back up all his data (60 gigs thereabouts), physically remove the old drive, reinstall debian and all the packages, ugh
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19:33<Painiac>kp: thank you for that link; i'm reading now
19:33<Painiac>he gets the entire 320 gigs, one single partition.
19:33<Painiac>is it important to use the same filesystem on both drives?
19:34<Painiac>i'm using murderfs (reiserfs) journaled on the current drive
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19:36<enouf>Painiac: you can use whatever you like, i moved my entire usr/share over onto a reiserfs partition on another HDD from it's ext3 original, and am using a symlink
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19:37<enouf>(though kde seems to upchuck a bit about it sometimes) :-P
19:37<mihau>enouf: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 03)
19:37<Painiac>enouf: what was the syntax of the symlink you created?
19:37<enouf>(still have to sort that out)
19:37<enouf>mihau: AHA!
19:37<mihau>was that good aha
19:37<mihau>or the bad one?
19:38<enouf>Painiac: i always like to cd into /dir and do it
19:38<enouf>mihau: good ;-)
19:38<enouf>mihau: see the difference?
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19:38<mihau>i think now its recognised by systen, ain't it?
19:38<enouf>mihau: that - vs the older 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 03)
19:39<user01>is there a lenny release date set?
19:39<enouf>mihau: NOW it knows it's a GM965/GL960 Chipset
19:39<enouf>and so do wwe ;-)
19:39<enouf>mihau: no, do your drxx
19:39<mihau>do what? ;p
19:39<Painiac>i thought the intel 8086 was an OLD cpu...not a gpu ;)
19:40<mihau>have you meant reconfigure xorg?;p
19:40<enouf>mihau: yes
19:41<enouf>mihau: select the intel driver
19:41<mihau>so i will
19:41<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
19:42<mihau>need to reboot x
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19:45<mihau>errors again ;/
19:48<enouf>mihau: how about you show us ;-) pastebin ;-)
19:48<mihau>i took a photo ;p
19:48<enouf>stp that
19:49<enouf>dmesg | egrep 'agp|gart' ... wait, still the kernel doesn't seem to have a miodule for it? wtf?
19:49<enouf>mihau: dmesg | egrep -i 'agp|gart'
19:49<enouf>mihau: do "grep '8086\ .*2a02' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap"
19:50<mihau>Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones
19:50<mihau>the first one
19:50<enouf>pastebin all i asked for - you're makuing me tired
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19:52<mihau>heres the error
19:52<enouf>mihau: 2a02 Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
19:52<mihau>it wasnt included in the log file ;/
19:52<enouf>2a03 Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
19:53<enouf>that's from .. wait ..
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19:56<enouf>mihau: son of a bitch - even .25 has no listing for that oddball 2a02 AFAICT
19:56<enouf>mihau: is that thing brand new?
19:57<enouf>mihau: very recent model?
19:57<mihau>you mean laptop? yea
19:57<mihau>not very recent
19:57<enouf>crap - well ...
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19:59<mihau>so i can do shit about it, am i right?
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20:00<enouf>mihau: hang in there
20:00<mihau>going to take some food, brb
20:02<mihau>ok, im back
20:05<enouf>mihau: ok
20:05<enouf>mihau: 411 {0x8086, 0x2a02, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0}, \
20:05<mihau>enouf: ?;>
20:05<enouf>we got a bite - i want you to install the etch-backports kernel
20:05<mihau>could you give me the link to backports?;p
20:06<enouf>!tell mihau about
20:06<mihau>dont heave itr in my repo
20:06<mihau>ok, thanks ;p
20:06<enouf>mihau: you better only habe etch / stable and
20:06<mihau>yea ;p
20:07<enouf>mihau: you can tell yourself via; "/msg dpkg"
20:07<enouf>!tell mihau about msg the bot
20:07<Guinea_pig>hi folks !
20:07<Guinea_pig>I get a FATAL: Error inserting g_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_serial.ko): Device or resource busy
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20:07<user01>eh . . . does anyone know where i can fix 2010 ibm thinkpad bios error?
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20:09<widrone>user01: Never even heard of the 2010, is that its only name?
20:10<mihau>enouf: ok, backports added
20:10<widrone>user01: Oh, maybe you ment "error 2010"? Silly me.
20:10<user01>widrone, yep
20:11<enouf>mihau: ok, i see just a bit of it added in .21, then by .22 they added support
20:11<enouf>mihau: are you booted into it?
20:11<mihau>into what?
20:11<enouf>mihau: the new kernel
20:12<widrone>user01: Ref this,
20:12<mihau>well, actually i've only added backports to my repo ;p
20:12<enouf>mihau: oh, apt-get update
20:12<enouf>mihau: or do you use aptitude?
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20:12<user01>widrone, but the instructions dont make any sense
20:12<mihau>normally i use apt-get
20:12<enouf>mihau: ok, apt-get update
20:13<enouf>mihau: ok, then apt-get -s install linux-image-2.6-686
20:13<enouf>see if it shows it's going to add the newer kernel
20:13<enouf>mihau: likely .24, iirc
20:13<widrone>user01: Instructions seem to be to update some or all bios/disk firmware. Seems to be the gizt from the thinkwiki page too
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20:14<mihau>it says it's up to date
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20:14<widrone>user01: Glad I never ran into that on my 5 thinkpads. Didnt even know that was a problem, sillyness it seems.
20:15<user01>widrone, yes lucky me
20:16<widrone>user01: go upgrade your firmware, it seems to be covered by your vendor. Least you got a possible fix.
20:16<enouf>mihau: apt-cache search linux-image-* | egrep '22|23|24'
20:16<widrone>user01: Good luck anyways on getting that replacement drive to work for ya.
20:17<mihau>this one?
20:17<widrone>user01: I had clickety-clikky of death on some drives, you may take comfort in that. :)
20:17<enouf>mihau: did you also do the apt-get install debian-backports-keyring && apt-get update as the factoid mentioned?
20:17<enouf>mihau: yes
20:17<user01>widrone, i had that too
20:17<mihau>yes, i did
20:17<enouf>mihau: ok, then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
20:17<user01>widrone, back in 2002 2003
20:18<mihau>in progress
20:18<user01>widrone, that sucked
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20:18<user01>widrone, any it sucked more that i was out of the country and missed the class action suit settlement
20:18<mihau>enouf: now reboot, right?
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20:19<enouf>mihau: ok, did you say updating grub and all the mkinitramfs-kpkg good stuff?
20:19<enouf>mihau: did it
20:19<enouf> then reboot into it
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20:19<user01>widrone, next time it is a mac i think
20:19<user01>widrone, but i have so many t4x chargers now
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20:21<user01>widrone, i still have my clickity disk in a box in the hopes that one day it will be cheaper to rebuild hard drives
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20:22<mihau>enouf: it hangs ;/
20:22<mihau>cannot boot on it
20:22<enouf>mihau: awe crap
20:23<enouf>mihau: give me a minute
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20:26<enouf>ok, had a phone call
20:26<enouf>mihau: now, check your /boot/grub/menu.lst entries and tell me how and where it hangs
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20:27<mihau>well it hangs while loading usb ports
20:27<mihau>it just freezes
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20:28<mihau>there's something like usb 3-1
20:28<enouf>mihau: so, you select .24 entry from the brub menu, and it starts to load ,., right?
20:28<enouf>mihau: NOW is a good time for a picture ;-)
20:28<mihau>ok ;p\
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20:29<enouf>wow - 3 hours - i suck
20:30<widrone>enouf: If you suck, then you hero-suck atleast. (its a compliment really)
20:31<enouf>widrone: gracias ;-)
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20:32<enouf>widrone: but atleast now i've taught myself some new skills when dealing with these issues
20:32<enouf>widrone: finally found out that support wasn't added, even for AGP for that chip till upstream ~.21
20:33<enouf>then the DRM/DRI stuff followed in .22 and such
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20:34<enouf>i didn't realize .. how much even video cards of the ICH8 class can be new - it's so many times on;l a disk controller issue that requires newer than Etch kernel
20:35<enouf>mihau: phone ...
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20:38<widrone>/sbin/modprobe abnormal exit, ouch.
20:39<enouf>mihau: the real error is before that
20:40<mihau>well, it hangs in that place
20:40<enouf>mihau: see all the lines startying with like [<c0002c000>] ?
20:40<mihau>enouf: yea
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20:41<enouf>mihau: you can hit the Scroll Lock key and stop the boot process when you see those start .. or anythyng abvormal
20:41<enouf>mihau: you can also then Shift+PageUp/Down and scroll through the buffer
20:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 332] by debhelper
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20:42<enouf>mihau: so let it get to just about that point then hit ScrollLock
20:42<enouf>mihau: then scroll up a bit
20:42<mihau>i dont have scroll button xd
20:43<mihau>ok, gonna pageup it
20:43<enouf>mihau: boot into your regular working kernel and run as root dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
20:43<mihau>i am at regular working kernel right now ;p
20:44<enouf>mihau: did other pkgs also install? check /var/log/dpkg.log
20:44<enouf>ok then
20:44<mihau>ok i did dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
20:45<enouf>mihau: do this; ls /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/
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20:45<enouf>mihau: it will be a few things
20:45<enouf>well, don't paste here though
20:46<mihau>3 lines
20:46<enouf>mihau: do one at a time here
20:46<mihau>kernel modules.dep modules.isapnpmap modules.seriomap
20:46<mihau>modules.alias modules.ieee1394map modules.ofmap modules.symbols
20:47<mihau>modules.ccwmap modules.inputmap modules.pcimap modules.usbmap
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20:47<enouf>now .. hrm can you pastebin the contents of /boot/grubmenu.lst for me
20:47<enouf>now .. hrm can you pastebin the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst for me
20:48<enouf>(i guess the -headers pkg adds that /build symlink i'm used ot seeing)
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20:50<enouf>mihau: after we're done, i want you to send a bill to Toshiba, and send me half the proceeds ;-)
20:50<mihau>hehe ;p
20:50<qq>enouf: mihau is on etch ? if so why not installing linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686_2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.4_i386.deb
20:51<qq>i mean , instead of linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
20:52<enouf>qq: i had him add backports and install the .24
20:52<enouf>i dunno
20:52<enouf>mihau: listen - that all looks in good order
20:53<enouf>mihau: i thought maybe you were loading the wrong initrd .. perhaps
20:53<enouf>mihau: oh
20:53<qq>enouf: ok, but maybe tring -etchnhalf.1-686 will boot
20:53<enouf>and alter the "default 0" in there to something nice like 10 or 20
20:54<enouf>qq: indeed
20:54<mihau>qq: i tried it before
20:54<mihau>same as here
20:54<enouf>qq: let's do it
20:54<mihau>same reaction as that one
20:54<mihau>hanged in that moment
20:54<enouf>mihau: post your sources.list .. now!
20:54<mihau>dunno wtf is going on
20:55<enouf>mihau: you've beeen mixing releases?
20:55<mihau>ive installed it from a cd, which i downloaded month ago
20:55<mihau>i think its rc02
20:56<mihau>and the latest is 04, am i right?
20:56<enouf>mihau: did you ever apt-get dist-upgrade? but ONLY with Etch sources?
20:56<mihau>sry ;d
20:56<enouf>mihau: i sensed your install was fucked up ,, how .. i couldn't tell
20:56<enouf>way too many odd errors
20:57<enouf>mihau: it pays to be forthcoming when seeking out help
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20:58<enouf>that way - we know what we;re dealing with - otherwise i'd have to ask everyone 1000 questions
20:58<enouf>and have them post 500 logs ...etc
20:59<enouf>mihau: you must be a female - only females can hurt me the way you seem to be doing ..
20:59<mihau>sry, im not ;d
20:59<mihau>im just... its 3 am and ive slept like 9 hours in 3 days
20:59<enouf>(that's in no way shape or form concerning intelligence - all about emotion)
20:59<mihau>haha ;d
21:00<enouf>mihau: i'm hiding under your bed - waiting .. just waiting for you to pass out
21:00<mihau>nah, im fine, wont go sleep ;d
21:00<mihau>have to get up in 4 h ;p
21:00<enouf>!penixstrike mihau
21:00<dpkg>A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking mihau to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
21:00<mihau>rotfl ;d
21:01<mihau>so, what should i do now, dl the latest etch version and then try it again?
21:01<qq>mihau: delete all kadu in sources list
21:01<enouf>mihau: what the hell did you paste?
21:01<mihau>qq: why?
21:01<qq>are to old
21:01<mihau>its jsut like polish msn '[
21:02<qq> 06-Jan-2007 20:00
21:02<enouf>mihau: that's still only Xorg.0.log + lspci -nn
21:02<mihau>are you sure?\
21:02<enouf>no 202 here
21:03<enouf>mihau: WTF IS THIS! eb testing main
21:03<mihau>its like msn, but polsih ;p
21:03<enouf>!fix mihau
21:03*dpkg takes mihau to the vet for a "special" visit.
21:04*enouf smacks mihau around a bit with his polish sausage
21:04<qq>[03:01:20] <qq> mihau: delete all kadu in sources list
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21:04<mihau>qq: it wont do shit
21:04<enouf>qq: you are too fresh - i'm drained
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21:04<enouf>mihau: where's the screenshot i asked for?
21:05<qq>mihau: he did !!!
21:05<enouf>mihau: oh, you can't ScrollLOck?
21:05<enouf>mihau: dammit .. smash it!
21:05<mihau>nope ;p
21:05<mihau>hehe ;d
21:06<enouf>mihau: i'm on a friggin p2 .. i can boot a debian 2.6.8 through a 2.6.24
21:06<enouf>mihau: you better sue Toshiba
21:06<mihau>hehe ;d
21:07<mihau>yea ;
21:07<mihau>when i am blind cause of 1024x768, i will ;d
21:07<enouf>i can probably boot .25 , .26 etc .. just haven't tried
21:07<enouf>mihau: DUDE - you BOUGHT a 1280x800 resolution!
21:08<mihau>yea, i know ;p
21:08<enouf>mihau: so why were you trying 1280x1024 ?
21:08<mihau>now ill try the correct one
21:08<mihau>but it doesnt matter
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21:08<mihau>none shall work
21:08<enouf>!pal mihau
21:08*dpkg points at mihau and laughs
21:09<enouf>hehe; "dude , you're getting a Dell" lmao
21:10<enouf>mihau: something is wrong - horribly - not sure what - i'm done though
21:10<qq>mihau: and fix sources list ...
21:10<mihau>im done as well ;p
21:10<qq>paste the new ones
21:10<enouf>mihau: note though, it's PEBKAC that caused most of this
21:10<dpkg>pebkac is probably Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or
21:11<enouf>mihau: your pebkac
21:11<mihau>yea, i've understood ;p
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21:11<enouf>mihau: once we found the real issue - it's a simple fix
21:11<qq>hehe>>> binary-i386/ >>>> 06-Jan-2007 20:00
21:11<mihau>get drunk? xd
21:11<enouf>i'm already on my way
21:12<enouf>qq: O_O
21:12<mihau>im going to tommorow night
21:12<mihau>actually today ;d
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21:12<mihau>friday already
21:12<enouf>3.5 hours .. flushed
21:13<enouf>good job actually
21:13<mihau>not flushed at all ;p
21:13<mihau>ive learned some thing ;d
21:13<enouf>i needed a nice one like you to take advantage of me - makes me remember how not to get too involved
21:13<mihau>like how to piss people off xd
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21:14<enouf>this is what happens when i "coddle" and "spoon feed"
21:15<mihau>ok, gonna rest ;p
21:15<mihau>watch some movie or whatever ;p
21:15<mihau>thanks for an effort ;p
21:15<enouf>mihau: ome more thing
21:16<enouf>i should've asked from the start
21:16<mihau>what is it?
21:16<enouf>dpkg -l libc6
21:16<dpkg>ii libc6 3.9-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
21:16<enouf>mihau: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
21:17<mihau>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
21:17<enouf>hrm .. ok .. thanks
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21:17<mihau>what was it for?
21:17<mihau>if can ask ;p
21:17<enouf>mihau: to see if you have a etch or lenny libc6
21:17<mihau>oh ;p
21:18<enouf>libc6 is like the underlying support for almost everything
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21:18<enouf>mihau: so maybe not everything is your fault .. though ,, your install seems whack a bit
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21:19<enouf>!blame toshiba
21:19*dpkg blames Otter and toshiba for the end of life as we know it
21:19<enouf>ok .. i'm out
21:19<mihau>bb, and thanks aGAIN ;P
21:20<qq>gin dobre
21:20<EagleScreen>Ares does not connect to the server, what can I do? some time ago it used to connect well
21:20<enouf>mihau: but .. know, you need atleast a .22 kernel to get full support for your video - it MIGHT also require a newer Xorg - don't know, but you have to get the kernel booting
21:20<mihau>ill do it tommorow
21:20<mihau>cannot think at all right now ;p
21:21<enouf>mihau: send me a PM with the info
21:21<mihau>if ti worked?
21:21<enouf>mihau: i want to hear good news only :-P
21:21<mihau>ok ;d
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21:22<mihau>than see you, with good news, hopefully ;p
21:22<mihau>good night ;p
21:23<enouf>sleep well </evil grin>
21:23<mihau>hehe ;.d
21:23<widrone>Does removing the "standard" task in tasksel in d-i break stuff? It was preselected, but will I accualy shoot myself in the leg if I remove it?
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21:23<enouf>widrone: you will end up with base-install only
21:23<qq>widrone: no
21:24<enouf>and no, as qq said
21:24<widrone>ah thanks, it was accualy the next step that broke somehow I see now.
21:24<enouf>to answer doirectyly
21:24<qq> tasksel is for begginers ///
21:25<enouf>widrone: if you want more control press F1-F10 at the boot prompt
21:25<widrone>im running a lowmem d-i lenny installer on a slug without a screen, nothanks ;)
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21:25*enouf will never get over how many people do not even use, nor know about f1-f10 ...sigh
21:26<enouf>lowmem is auto
21:26<widrone>enouf: Im one of the people that press f-buttons if I got them, but thanks for the tip.
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21:26<enouf>widrone: as i mentioned to the otjher 3.5 consumer - it helps to be forthcoming
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21:28<widrone>I realse that my rambeling about d-i alone in the dark with a storm outside was in another channel, indeed.
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21:28<widrone>Forcing it didnt really help, the "write bootloader info to flash" killed it it seems. Playing with a nslu2 here.
21:30<qq>mips processor ?
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21:30<widrone>arm, and silly me didnt see what the minimum root fs size should be either. Its grown since etch!
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21:32<widrone>qq: I know that one in my sleep, but thanks. =)
21:33<widrone>qq: Using for the installer atm.
21:36<widrone>Just me filling up the 360mb I thougth was enough for a base install, so noone to blame either.
21:37<qq>for base install is enough
21:39<h2-gw>!doesn't work
21:39<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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21:40<widrone>qq: Indeed, this same usb stick partitioned the same way worked for etch.
21:40<h2-gw>that's an outstanding factoid
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21:46<qq>widrone: for light systems i use localepurge , debconf (no l10 extensions) , frequevents "apt-get clean" , install few or only one package (if possibile) at time
21:47<widrone>qq: 1 package and apt-get clean is like a habit, but thanks for the other pointers too, ill look into them.
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21:48<widrone>qq: I just removed some docs, it was not alot needed. Im gutting it very close here, its just a test install to see.
21:49<widrone>how qute, it remindds me to remove install media. its a box with 2x usb and a networkport hehe.
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21:50<qq>just ignore , rm /usr/share/doc
21:51<widrone>3x beeps and Im done, and that excactly what I did qq.
21:51<qq>no. wait
21:51<widrone>No wait, I know 3x beep is from the installer I flashed.
21:52<qq>entre in " chroot target " to do things
21:52<qq>or , nevermind ... heh
21:53<widrone>qq: I was in target dir yes, didnt even see you left it out.
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21:54<qq>so ok
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21:54<widrone>Im almost inclined to say I like the debootstrap method better than the d-i, then again Im not into menues.
21:55<qq>if we know what we "want" , debootstrap is ok
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21:59<dondelelcaro>widrone: you can always ditch the menus by using pre-seeding
22:00<dondelelcaro>(really depends on what you're doing)
22:00<dondelelcaro>(and running debootstrap from the d-i console is also always an option)
22:00<qq>widrone: which bootloader use armel ?
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22:06<widrone>dondelelcaro: Some options are preseeded already yes, but I think only the ones that needs to be. Like setting up network login/console for the installer menu.
22:06<dondelelcaro>widrone: every single question can be preseeded
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22:06<widrone>qq: uhm, apex I think. Really unsure about that.
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22:06*dondelelcaro has automatic installers which ask *no* questions at all
22:07<dondelelcaro>(they're great fun in conjunction with network booting)
22:08<widrone>Seems to be only fallback network parameters and the login info. Looked abit at the preseed stuff, its funky to say the least. And powerfull indeed.
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22:18<widrone>If you ever run debian off a usb flash memorystick, have a look at
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22:19<widrone>He got some nice tips there to reduce writing too it, even thu most manufacturers do wear leveling in their hw now (i think)
22:19<user01>hmmm any idea to get ipw2200 to work for my wireless?
22:19<user01>i got people telling me to use ndiswrapper instead
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22:21<widrone>user01: Hm, source is in contrib and you need to get the firmware yourself seems to be the internets take on it.
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22:25<user01>widrone, what is the command to unload kernel modules again?
22:25<user01>user01, i remember learning that a long time ago
22:26<widrone>user01: rmmod?
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22:26<user01>widrone, it was like a debian-installer menu where you checked and unchecked modules to load
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22:27<stevecotton>you mean at modules loaded at boottime?
22:28<stevecotton>Not sure what the GUI is, but the config file behind it is /etc/modules
22:30<luks>guys i have a problem with xfce4 when i login it says xfce4 cannot access to /home/user/Desktop it says its not a folder...
22:30<widrone>user01: no idea really.
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22:30<qq>luks: mkdir /home/user/Desktop
22:31<luks>ill try it
22:31<qq>may help
22:31<luks>but i have a /home/user/Escritorio i tried to create it using nautilus... didint work... ill try with terminal
22:32<luks>mkdir: no se puede crear el directorio «Desktop»: El fichero ya existe
22:32<widrone>Oh dear, usb flashsticks are so bad quality. Was noticing disconnects and wiggeling it the whole usb connector just came off.
22:32<luks>now what? hehe ;(
22:32<widrone>Guess its telling me its time for a new one. ;)
22:33<luks>qq, any ideas?
22:34<luks>where can i find help about this?
22:34<qq>or verify the permissions
22:34<widrone>luks: It said it exsisted when you tried to create it yes?
22:35<qq>luks: do >> ls /home/
22:36<luks>qq, k
22:36<widrone>luks: Spanish rusty, just chechink. Then Id look into permissions yes.
22:36<qq>and paste here
22:36<eigentone>Hello all. I’m wondering if it is safe to remove the default 'admin' user?
22:36<luks>amsn_received Documentos Escritorio Imágenes Plantillas TransGaming_Drive
22:36<luks>Desktop dwhelper Examples Música Público Videos
22:37<qq>not good
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22:37<luks>it is there! haha why xfce4 doesnt read it?
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22:37<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
22:37<qq>luks: where is "user " ?
22:37<qq>dir ...
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22:39<luks>when i do a cd Desktop it says it doesnt exist...
22:40<qq>[04:35:55] <qq> luks: do >> ls /home/
22:40<luks>thing is that xface gives me an error...
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22:40<RIVE>Does xfce have a /home/user/Desktop directory?
22:40<luks>qq, what with that it gives me all users home folder
22:41<luks>xfce cant access to my Desktop folder... it says its not a folder...
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22:42<qq>luks: install "mc" and look with
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22:43<luks>but how do i solve the problem anyway?
22:44<luks>i mean if it is there... why xfce doesnt see it
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22:44<luks>and gives me every time i login an error sayin that it couldnt access to the folder because its not a folder
22:45<qq>are you loged as "user" ?
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22:46<qq>RIVE: i think you right
22:47<luks>yes i am
22:47<luks>it doesnt appear with mc
22:47<RIVE>Joust maybe qq i had use xfce only one or two days, i don't remenber if it has a Desktop directory.
22:49<Nemoder>luks: try: mv /home/user/Desktop /home/user/Desktop.backup && mkdir /home/user/Desktop
22:50<luks> mv /home/user/Desktop /home/user/Desktop.backup
22:50<luks>mv: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre «/home/user/Desktop»: No existe el fichero ó directorio
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22:50<qq>so create it
22:51<luks>k... ill login again an see what happen
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22:52<Nemoder>luks: you replaced 'user' with your actual username right?
22:53<luks>hehe didint do that the first time lol
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22:55<mooms>hi hi
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22:56<mooms>anyone ever installer openXchange on a debian etch?
22:56<martinwm>mooms: whats the matter actually?
22:57<mooms>i wanna replace echange server 2003 by openXchange
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22:58<martinwm>mooms: have a look here:
22:59<mooms>martinwm, sure thank you for the link but i was expecting some reports about the performances of this product.
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22:59<martinwm>mooms: these kind of opinion polls are very rarely working
23:00<mooms>martinwm, what you mean by opinion polls?
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23:00<martinwm>"has anyone every done this or that" - "i was expecting some reports"
23:00<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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23:10<HelpAttacked>guys, how can I find out what is using and how much RAM?
23:10<HelpAttacked>top only shows % and a little bit of it
23:11<RIVE>HelpAttacked, if your usin gnome... gnome-system-monitor
23:11<HelpAttacked>no, I'm SSHed in
23:12<qq>are you sure not looking at swap instead at ram ?
23:12<HelpAttacked>which oen is ram in TOP ? %MEM right?
23:13<vaderr>you want it in MB instead of %?
23:13<HelpAttacked>and I am unable to sort it with < >
23:14<HelpAttacked>sorting changes but cant tell which one really, cant get it to the one I need
23:14<qq>Mem: 514676k total, 507884k used, 6792k free, 24900k buffers
23:14<qq>from top
23:15<qq>after stoped it with "q"
23:15<HelpAttacked>qq, yes, but I dont know which process uses how much?
23:16<qq>column %MEM right say which process , from up to down
23:16<tcsetattr>doesn't anybody know how to use ps anymore?
23:16<qq>here : 1.0 4.2 4:35.37 Xorg , max
23:16<qq>man ps
23:18<HelpAttacked>is RES in top the memory in kilobytes?
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23:18<HelpAttacked>ok, I guess that's what I wanted
23:18<luks>it worked! thank you guys
23:19<HelpAttacked>I am still unable to sort it using < > though
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23:19<qq>luks: np
23:19<luks>bye bye!
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23:20<talonIX>anyone else using kde4 from experimental?
23:21<kazagistar>i am a bit of a beginner; when I tried to upgrade my system from etch to lenny, my eth0 stopped working
23:22<qq>HelpAttacked: in top, used processes are sorted , from max (up) to down
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23:22<HelpAttacked>why are so many processes repeated? like there is apache2 10 processes, sshd 3 processes, ncsa_auth 5 etc?
23:23<qq>kind of treads ?
23:23<tcsetattr>some daemons use multiple processes to serve multiple clients
23:23<qq>or so
23:23<HelpAttacked>well I'm the only client SSHing in
23:24<rjbase89>Has anyone had any experience with kppp and Debian Lenny?
23:24<kazagistar>lspci shows the ethernet controller, but ifconfig only has a loopback. any ideas on how I should debug this, please?
23:24<tcsetattr>aside from the ssh worms you're being [Help] Attacked by, you mean?
23:25<qq>but apache2 & co are started
23:25<vaderr>kaza, is eth0 a primary network in /etc/network/interfaces ?
23:25<tcsetattr>kazagistar, first, ifconfig -a to see if it's just not up. if it's still not there, you need to load a driver
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23:26<kazagistar>it is there, under -a
23:26<HelpAttacked>I dont know what I'm attacked by, how can I tell if I'm attacked by ssh worms
23:27<rjbase89>I have been trying to open kppp on a newly installed Debian Lenny from the command line. It returns the message that it cannot connect to the X server...
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23:28<kazagistar>yes, eth0 is primary... how do I turn it on?
23:28<rjbase89>Any ideas?
23:28<qq>rjbase89: done kppp as root ?
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23:28<rjbase89>yes,,, I am trying to open it as the root user...
23:28*tcsetattr wonders what they mean by "primary"
23:29<RIVE>Hi Mosoli.
23:29<vaderr>kaza, try 'ifconfig eth0 up'
23:30<tcsetattr>HelpAttacked: if you look in /var/log/auth.log and see a bunch of failed logins for usernames "admin", "root", ... that's probably a worm doing its password list on you
23:30<HelpAttacked>tcsetattr, thanks man! I'll go check right away
23:30<tcsetattr>although 3 sshd processes could easily be explained as one listening for new connections, and 2 serving your connection (because of privsep)
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23:31<Mosoli>RIVE, I bad ingles
23:31<Mosoli>RIVE, I lost
23:32<rjbase89>Has anyone else had any trouble opening kppp under Debian Lenny?
23:32<HelpAttacked>omg, it's full
23:32<qq>rjbase89: try as user , kppp
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23:32<kazagistar>erm, eth0 is up, but I can't connect to anything... how do I configure it to do dhcp (I think)?
23:33<Mosoli>RIVE, I demand of ubuntu-in but not register me to join the channel
23:34<rjbase89>It returned permission denied...
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23:34<rjbase89>I wonder if this is some kind of bug?
23:34<tcsetattr>you just put "iface eth0 inet dhcp" into /etc/network/interfaces, and remove whatever's there for eth0 already, except for the "auto eth0"
23:35<qq>rjbase89: add you to ppp group
23:36<qq> cat /etc/group
23:36<rjbase89>Okay... I will try that ... but I should be able to open the app with root shouldn't I ?
23:37<rjbase89>qq> I am able to open kppp as root under Debian Etch... I think there may be a problem with this app under Lenny...
23:37<qq>not for ppp , i thought , or missed some packages
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23:39<talonIX>anybody up to helping me figure out a C issue? will go off-channel for it
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23:39<tcsetattr>go ahead man. I hope the answer isn't apt-get install build-essential
23:39<rjbase89>I am out of here ... thanks qq...
23:40<qq>apt-cache policy ppp | grep Ins
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23:41<talonIX>this isn't for packaging, just getting back into an old hobby and wow I'm rusty!
23:41<kazagistar>right, I set it upjust like that, with "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and "auto eth0", and the eth0 still fails to load on startup
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23:41<kazagistar>or at all
23:41<kazagistar>or rather, it still does not work
23:42<qq>lspcigrep Ethernet
23:42<tcsetattr>grep -i dhcp /var/log/daemon.log
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23:43<HelpAttacked>is there a good utility to read logs? like something that would take date parameter, or sort by ip, etc?
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23:44<qq>kazagistar: make sure power up the router/modem , or/and check cables
23:44<kazagistar>pp: 00:12.1 Ethernet controller: Accton Technoogy Corporation SMC2-1211TX (rev 10)
23:46<tcsetattr>ifdown eth0;ifup eth0;sleep 5;grep -i dhcp /var/log/daemon.log
23:46<tcsetattr>if the dhcp client isn't working, you should look at what it wants to tell you
23:48<qq>! does not work
23:48<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
23:48<qq>kazagistar: ^^^
23:48<Mr_Giraffe>welp, i guess it WAS a hardware problem
23:49<HelpAttacked>lol @ dpkg
23:50<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
23:51<dpkg>it has been said that aol is America OnLine, a large ISP, beloved of people who don't know much about the Internet.
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23:51<dreiko>disculpen la pregunta
23:51<dreiko>alguien me puede orientar en como instalar el virtual box en debian
23:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:52<qq>apt-get install virtualbox
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23:53<dreiko>thanks men
23:54<qq>apt-cache search virtualbox
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23:54<qq>apt-cache search virtualbox-ose
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23:55<kazagistar>sorry, restarted my router for good measure
23:56<kazagistar>cables are working fine, and the daemon.log grep returned 4 statements: a DHCPDISCOVER, a DHCPOFFER, a DHCPPREQUEST, and a DHCPACK
23:56<kazagistar>but I still can't ping google
23:57<vaderr>do you get a correct ip?
23:58<kazagistar>nope, I see only the hardware address
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23:59<qq>verify >>> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent-net.rules
23:59<qq>kazagistar: ^^^
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