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---Logopened Fri Aug 22 00:00:25 2008
---Daychanged Fri Aug 22 2008
00:00<vaderr>try manually setting up your ip, dns server, and such
00:00<qq>kazagistar: how many ethernet card do you have ?
00:00<qq> ethernet cards*
00:01<kazagistar>only 1
00:01<qq>ok
00:02<qq>I'll reboot , ...
00:03-!-swo [~swo@p54AE65E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
00:03<qq>kazagistar: which kernel ?
00:03<qq>and on etch ?
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00:03<overflow>cool
00:03<overflow>wrong win
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00:04<kazagistar>I only have a "70-persistent-net.rules, and it contains 'DRIVERS=="?*"', which looks wrong
00:05<qq>no
00:05<qq># PCI device 0x10b7:0x9050 (3c59x)
00:06<qq>look at >>> # PCI device ....
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00:06<kazagistar>erm '# PCI device 0x11130x1211 (8139too)'
00:07<qq>hmmm
00:07<kazagistar>I am using the most recent lenny kernel that I got through apt
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00:07<kazagistar>downloaded yesterday
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00:07<qq>you said you have an accton , but maybe the chip is (8139too)'
00:07<qq>[06:07:00] <qq> hmmm
00:07<qq>grr
00:08<qq>so add "8139" to /etc/modules
00:09<qq>but 8139 work great here (all kernels)
00:10<kazagistar>currently, the only thing in /etc/modules is 'loop'
00:10<qq>[06:08:34] <
00:11<qq>do you have your one dhcp ?
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00:12<kazagistar>?
00:12<qq>do you have a router/modem ?
00:12<serena>no
00:12<kazagistar>yeah, and it is working fine
00:13<serena>:P
00:13<qq>not sure me ...
00:13<serena>where u from?
00:13<qq>serena: ssssst !
00:13<qq>!u
00:13<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
00:14<kazagistar>I have a wireless router with 4 ethernet jacks, and I have tested the cables and am hooked up with one now
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00:14<kazagistar>and that is a very angry u bot
00:14<tcsetattr>you must have some kind of IP address if there was a DHCPACK in your log
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00:16<kazagistar>where would I see it? the only address in ifconfig is the one for loopback
00:17<qq>try eth1
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00:18<kazagistar>erm... where all should I make changes?
00:18<tcsetattr>try grep dhclient /var/log/daemon.log
00:19<scrouaf>Hello, I''ve got a problem. I can't access the virtual consoles (ctrl+alt+Fn). I'm on testing, with latest nvidia drivers. My /etc/inittab appears to be pretty much the same as the one on my ubuntu, where it works fine. I'm using gnome. I can restart X (ctrl + alt + backspace). I can also access virtual consoles before X has started. Also, the problem is the same with or without compiz fusion running.
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00:20<scrouaf>Any help would be much appreciated :)
00:20<kazagistar>hey, crazy, it says 'bound to 192.168.2.6 -- renewal in 928229126 seconds'
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00:21<tcsetattr>scrouaf, first check if there's a process running on tty1 (fuser -v /dev/tty1) - you can't switch to it if there's nothing there. (what should be there if you haven't logged in on it is a getty as specified by inittab)
00:22<scrouaf>tcsetattr, nope nothing there
00:22<scrouaf>probably the problem then :)
00:23<tcsetattr>in the inittab should be something like 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
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00:23<kazagistar>but ifconfig continues to not have an ip
00:23<tcsetattr>oh you will need to be root for the fuser to be able to search all processes
00:23<scrouaf>oh, retrying then
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00:23<qq>Kalessin: crazy, is that >>> 928229126 seconds !!!! to much time
00:24<scrouaf>yeah, getty is running
00:24<tcsetattr>30-year lease :)
00:24<kazagistar>oh, dang, I see, the logs are from yesterday
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00:24<RIVE>Bye, i will read you tomorrow.
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00:24<qq>
00:24<kazagistar>wow, silly me, I guess then that no dhcp has worked at all
00:25<tcsetattr>scrouaf, next thing to try: run "chvt 1" as root. that should have the same effect as pressing ctrl-alt-F1 : a switch to the first VC
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00:25<scrouaf>this works
00:25<scrouaf>and i can come back to X
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00:26<tcsetattr>so it's just a keybinding problem... the switching functionality is there but the X server isn't doing it for you. it's possible to disable the ctrl-alt-F* keybindings in xorg.conf but I don't know why you'd have done that and then forgotten about it
00:27<tcsetattr>keyboard layout problem maybe? the F-keys work OK for other purposes?
00:27<scrouaf>F1 opens the help on gnome terminal so yes
00:27<scrouaf>it's something done explicitly right, not something i wouldn't see when reading my xorg.conf ?
00:28<tcsetattr>the option is called "DontVTSwitch"
00:29<scrouaf>nope, no such thing
00:32<kazagistar>right, I just finished testing something... I tried to use a lenny netinstall disk, and it also could not configure the network connection
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00:34<tcsetattr>well I'm stumped on the VT switching; back to the DHCP
00:35<qq>kazagistar: restart all ( dhcp/router ) and reboot
00:35<scrouaf>thanks anyway :/
00:35<tcsetattr>kazagistar, you have the "iface eth0 inet dhcp" line in /etc/network/interfaces, right?
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00:35<kazagistar>yes, I have the iface eth0 inet dhcp line, will return soon
00:36<tcsetattr>and you recently ran ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0, right?
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00:40<scrouaf>tcsetattr, fixed it \o/
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00:41<scrouaf>Commented the line "option xkbvariant pc105" out
00:41<scrouaf>and now it works
00:41<dmoerner>just goes to show, less is more in newer xorg...
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00:42<scrouaf>oh well, thanks for your help, and thanks for the chvt trick, didn't know it ;)
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00:42<kazagistar_>rebooting...
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00:44<kazagistar_>I just tried the old etch netinstall disk I have, and it configured just fine
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00:45<kazagistar_>now I am finishing full rebooting everything (router, gateway, comp)
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00:46<kazagistar>nope, still failed
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00:46<qq>kazagistar: than fil a bug repport
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00:48<kazagistar>alright, I will file a bug report... thanks for your help
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00:49<syntax>why does it take so long for the password prompt to show when initiating an ssh connection?
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00:49<syntax>oh crap, I forgot to troll first
00:50<syntax>I installed the Win 95 boot loader in place of lilo, and now I can only boot to windows. how do I fix it?
00:50<qq>syntax: it depends of processor target too
00:50<syntax>qq: amd64
00:50<qq>aha
00:50<syntax>is this a known issue?
00:50<qq>i dunno
00:51<syntax>one master node is a suse box and it doesn't have a problem like this
00:51<syntax>seems indigenous to the Debian boxes I've been using
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00:51<dmoerner>syntax, re-run lilo from a rescue cd
00:51<syntax>dmoerner, I was kidding :-)
00:51<syntax>thanks though :-)
00:51<widrone>syntax: And their sshd config files / startup parameters are the same?
00:52<syntax>widrone, I have not checked that
00:52<syntax>I'll take a look now
00:52<LivingSouL>how do I change SSH port?
00:52<syntax>why would you want to?
00:52<widrone>syntax: Id feed that troll of yours a good grub.
00:52<dmoerner>so it's outside normal scanning ranges?
00:52<syntax>windrone: I hate grub
00:53<LivingSouL>syntax, to prevent scans...
00:53<dmoerner>LivingSouL, it's the fifth line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
00:53<LivingSouL>ahh
00:53<LivingSouL>hmm
00:53<LivingSouL>didn't see any "port 22" there.. wait
00:53<syntax>LivingSouL, if a cracker is so determined, they'll scan all ports and get a login prompt at some point
00:53<widrone>LivingSouL: Its commented out, but should be there. And you can change it.
00:54<LivingSouL>i see
00:54<LivingSouL>but yea, just to prevent kiddies to scan on default port.. better that way :)
00:54<LivingSouL>widrone, thanks :)
00:55<LivingSouL>i thought it's ssh_config. never saw sshd_config :)
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00:55<qq> ssh_config is for client
00:55<dmoerner>LivingSouL, ssh_config is provided by openssh-client
00:56<LivingSouL>i see.. thanks guys
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00:57<LivingSouL>so no restart needed for this one?
00:57<tcsetattr>/etc/init.d/ssh restart
00:58<qq>but change attribute for /etc/password is more sure
00:58<qq>haw i forget ...
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01:01<LivingSouL>i can use any port numer right?
01:02<qq>make sure it is not used for other things
01:02<LivingSouL>cool :)
01:03<qq> cat /etc/services
01:03<qq> cat /etc/services |grep ssh
01:03<kazagistar>I have one more question... can I upgrade everything except kernel to lenny, and keep it etch?
01:03<qq>is a non sence
01:04<dmoerner>kazagistar, yes. upgrading to lenny will not actually remove your etch kernel, and it's easy to change the default back to 2.6.18 in /boot/grub/menu.lst
01:06<widrone>LivingSouL: netstat -l will show you what active serving ports you have atm too.
01:06<syntax>there are differences in the sshd_config. I'm looking them over now
01:08<widrone>syntax: Im thinking reverse dns too, but I think that usually shows after the login prompt. I had some machines use way too much time there before giving proper login prompt.
01:08<widrone>syntax: proper shell prompt I mean.
01:09<syntax>hmm
01:09<syntax>I'll check reverse dns now
01:10<qq>reverse dns ?
01:10<syntax>translating the IP to host
01:10<qq>thanks
01:10<syntax>IRC servers do it on connect
01:10<syntax>er, when a client connects
01:11<HelpAttacked>where are all the commands typed in shell saved?
01:11<HelpAttacked>I need to save the file
01:11<syntax>I'm pretty sure that may be it. I don't have DNS records for these hosts
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01:11<syntax>HelpAttacked, history
01:11<HelpAttacked>syntax, where's that?
01:12<qq>.bash_ history
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01:13<qq>cat .bash_history
01:13<syntax>you can get it just by typing history
01:13<HelpAttacked>oh, ok
01:13<HelpAttacked>is there a way to direct the cat content to a text edotor?
01:13<HelpAttacked>liek cat history | nano
01:13<HelpAttacked>does not really work, but you get the idea
01:14<qq>cat .bash_history > history
01:14<qq>nano/cat history
01:15<syntax>or dcp .bash_history history
01:15<syntax>er, cp
01:15<syntax>s/dcp/cp
01:15<HelpAttacked>ls
01:15<syntax>you won't see anything that begins with a . unless you ls -la
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01:15<syntax>actually, ls -a
01:16<LivingSouL>shocked when connection refused came up... forgot about the iptables.. heh.. it's ok now. changed the port and it worked great. thank you dmoerner, widrone, tcsetattr, qq, syntax and everone :)
01:16<HelpAttacked>so nano / history then?
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01:16<HelpAttacked>just need to place it in another file
01:16<syntax>either way works
01:17<syntax>np LivingSouL
01:17<HelpAttacked>nano / history does not palce history content in anno
01:17<qq>np LivingSouL
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01:17<syntax>HelpAttacked, I hate to sound like an arrogant fool, but I'd suggest you learn the basics of the VI editor
01:17<syntax>I'll be happy to help with that
01:17<HelpAttacked>:) yes please
01:18<syntax>the reason behind it is you'll always find the VI editor in almost any UNIX flavor
01:18<syntax>join me in #vi
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01:21<HelpAttacked>crap, how do I get out of vi?
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01:21<dmoerner>HelpAttacked, :q
01:21<dmoerner>:q! if there are unsaved changex
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01:22<HelpAttacked>I think I prefer nano
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01:23<deboodle>nfs: I've ALL:ALL in /etc/hosts.deny and nothing in /etc/hosts.allow yet clients can still mount an exported directory. Ideas?
01:23<LivingSouL>HelpAttacked, i prefer nano too, but you need to atleast know the basics of vi. It's available almost on all UNIX/Linux systems.
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01:23<dmoerner>HelpAttacked, vim is 1000x times better once you get used to it, but it might not be worth the learning curve
01:24<HelpAttacked>is there a simple way to direct output in terminal to nano?
01:24<EmleyMoor>I use vim - did use elvis but found it a bit of a pig
01:24<HelpAttacked>seems like a simple task
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01:25<LivingSouL>didn't know... all i know to exit vi is :x to exit and save and :q to quit or :q! to force quit without saving.
01:25<LivingSouL>better join #vi
01:26<dmoerner>ZZ, :wq, :x all write and exit
01:26<EmleyMoor>:q! is the origin of calling the ! "dammit"
01:26<LivingSouL>seriously, he has to learn the basics.. :D
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01:56<EmleyMoor>Time for a reboot before I go to work - so back later on
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02:25<cantik1>haiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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02:26<cantik1>haiiiiii
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02:48<snogglethorpe>HelpAttacked: typing "killall -9 vi" (or vim, etc) from a shell works nicely too
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02:53<nsadmin>I'm trying to figure out generally how the /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modules work together... specifically right now I want to load sound card modules in a particular order and at a particular index
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02:53<jm_>you should only need module options to specify which index sound card will get
02:54<nsadmin>on that machine I don't have a hda-intel, so I indeed would not need to set model=
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02:55<nsadmin>ideally, where should I put module options?
02:55<jm_>modprobe.d/foo
02:56<nsadmin>I noticed a file has "install <somemod> " then a command (modprobe in every case)
02:56<nsadmin>is that right?
02:56<jm_>depends on what you want to achieve
02:58<nsadmin>initially learn... then, knowing enough to understand what I'm doing, load a particular sound card driver early but with index 1, and then the card I want for index 0
02:59<jm_>yeah that's easily doable
03:00<nsadmin>nice...
03:00<jm_>let me remember how it's done
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03:01<nsadmin>since I want to have a basic understanding of how it works...
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03:01<nsadmin>I'd like to understand the format of the lines... first, they are different from lines in /etc/modules?
03:01<jm_>yes, modules is debian specific -- man modules
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03:02<nsadmin>what is the file that's dist-independent?
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03:03<nsadmin>so according to that one-paragraph modules man page, I could put it there, and say snd-foo index=1
03:03<nsadmin>then snd-bar index=0
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03:04<jm_>yes
03:04<nsadmin>the /etc/modprobe.d/somefile is a different format and mechanism?
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03:05<jm_>indeed, man modprobe for that
03:06<nsadmin>and so the format of lines in a file in that dir, would be: install foo <command with args>?
03:06<morgan`>hi
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03:09<jm_>naah it's nough to say options module index=bla
03:10<nsadmin>ok, so "install" is for something else
03:10<nsadmin>and "options" is what I want for this
03:11<jm_>install is typically used to prevent a module from loading or to run some commands afte rthe module is loaded
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03:22<nsadmin>is doing options lines in a particular order the way to specify the order they'd be loaded? or how would I do that?
03:23<jm_>nope, order shouldn't matter if you specify index for all sound modules you will load
03:24<nsadmin>but the index is not the same as the load order... a sound module I want loaded first would actually be index 1, while a "more normal" sound card loads later but is at index 0
03:25<nsadmin>it does matter due to a memory allocation issue I'm just now reading about
03:25<mobil-7k>guys, can anybody help me with genius eye 312?
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03:29<jm_>yeah that's why they added the index option so people can use desired sound card as the default one without messing with loaad order of the modules
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03:30<mobil-7k>when i plug it in, there is no file "video0" in /dev (gspca-modules are installed)
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03:35<nsadmin>which happens first: alsa modules loaded, /etc/modules read
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03:41<jm_>hmm not sure since I am not using Debian kernels - try checking your boot log
03:42<nsadmin>the kernel influences that order? yeah, I'm looking at dmesg and lsmod now
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03:42<jm_>not kernel, but there's stuff like udev etc.
03:43<jm_>and initrd
03:43<nsadmin>ahh, I see
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03:44<nsadmin>but to focus on the initrd for a moment, that's just used to mount /, isnt' it?
03:44<nsadmin>so while that could contain and load sound modules, it's not normally used for that
03:44<jm_>and load some modules
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03:47<nsadmin>right, so it's definitely possible for an initrd to do that
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03:48<nsadmin>for my case, I am presently using an install kernel, so I'm guessing that particular initrd is only concerned with mounting /
03:50<nsadmin>but the other thing you said can influence whether /etc/modules is read before or after alsa modules are loaded is udev
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03:51<nsadmin>how does that influence work?
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03:54<jm_>it runs udevtrigger in its init script - it should be obvious from your boot log
03:55<jm_>or not, boot log starts after udev is started
03:55<jm_>so one has to read the screen or use net/serial console I suppose
03:56<nsadmin>net console? that and serial console would require specific hw?
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04:00<jm_>naah, just connect with regular null modem cable (i'd say this is too much just to be able to easily read entire boot related output)
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04:08<hachi>does anyone know how to debug 4gb seg fixup problems? or where I can go to get help? It's been bloody forever for me having this problem... only one process does it, it's dynamically linked, and the dynamic loader is loading from a nosegneg version of libc6
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04:18<Shadowdancer>OK, last step before LKML... :-D http://kerneltrap.org/node/16521
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04:22<artefact>Shadowdancer: great, I'm not the only one !
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04:23<Shadowdancer>oh, you too?
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04:23<artefact>Shadowdancer: For the moment, no time to investigate, I'm blocked on 2.6.24 for 2 of my machines
04:23<Shadowdancer>.24 already crashes for me
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04:23<artefact>(a Dell Latitude Centrino Duo and an Dell Optiplex with Core Duo)
04:24<Nemoder>similar hardware?
04:24<Shadowdancer>Centrino Duo -> yes, similar
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04:24<Nemoder>2.6.25.8 is fine on my AMD machine
04:24<artefact>Quite the same, but not exactly, not the same BIOS
04:24<Shadowdancer>and Dell Precision with a C2D
04:24<artefact>a laptop and a tower
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04:26<Shadowdancer>did you try nosmp?
04:26<artefact>No, I had no time to onvestigate, but sounds a good try
04:26*Shadowdancer checks
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04:51<Shadowdancer>nosmp keeps it up for a suspiciously long time :-(
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04:56<jm_>heh that remind me, my box locks up too, bu only if I use a dvd-rom, kernel complains about spurious irq, suggests to boot with irq=poll but that doesn't help
04:56<jm_>gotta love libata crap
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04:57<jm_>even better errors than IDE, who could have thought that's possible
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05:00<spiekey>Hello!
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05:00<spiekey>i am trying to use usblcd ( http://resources.mini-box.com/online/picoLCD%2020x2%20(OEM)/Documentation/usblcd-client-guide.txt )
05:00<spiekey>any idea where i can get the usblcd tool from?
05:01<spiekey>they have an example here: http://resources.mini-box.com/online/picoLCD%2020x2%20(OEM)/Software/Linux/Examples/bash/free-space.sh but i am missing this usblcd binary
05:05<jm_>never thought of google or reading kernel docs?
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05:12<Shadowdancer>it actually pisses me off a bit that it's not crashing with nosmp
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05:13<jm_>do you have a kernel that works?
05:15<spiekey>anyone? :)
05:16<Shadowdancer>I have an old kernel that works perfectly, and now apparently a new one that's running longer than usual with the nosmp option.
05:16<jm_>then you could bisect it
05:16<Shadowdancer>I could also just file a bug and let someone with a clue handle it :-/
05:17<jm_>if you're lucky
05:17<Shadowdancer>I'm tired of farking around with a few dozen kernel options that may or may not be relevant.
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05:20<artefact>lkml ?
05:20<Shadowdancer>kernel maillist
05:20<Shadowdancer>the place that produces all the funny Linus flamefests
05:21<Shadowdancer>but there's a bugzilla
05:21<artefact>Yep, I wanted to say maybe lkml is the right place to ask ?
05:21<Shadowdancer>(a.k.a. "OMG we have millions of bugs!")
05:22<Shadowdancer>YESSSS! It crashed!
05:22<Shadowdancer>:-/
05:22<Shadowdancer>it's official, nosmp doesn't really help
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05:42<Shadowdancer>woohoo! The NMI watchdog is talking to me! :-D
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05:44<iammyr>hi!
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05:44<iammyr>may I ask you for help?
05:44<jm_>!ask
05:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
05:45<iammyr>ok tks :p .... X stops just after receiving login data within the login view
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05:45<iammyr>failed to create file '/gconf-test-locking-file-VT1QFU': "Permission denied" (errno = 13)
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05:46<iammyr>then can visualize ~/.xsession-errors
05:46<iammyr>which contains:
05:46<iammyr>"/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
05:46<iammyr>Impossibile rimuovere il file (null): indirizzo non valido
05:46<iammyr>gconf-sanity-check-2 did not pass, logging back out"
05:47<iammyr>in fact it exit from X and then restart X displaying login GUI
05:47<iammyr>^exits
05:47<jm_>does startx work?
05:47<iammyr>and after I insert my login data, it does the same
05:47<iammyr>and so on
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05:48<MartinVW>hello, I've got a problem with a package I've created. The control file contains a Recommends line, originally saying for example "Recommends: vim". This package was put on a CD and delivered to customers, who now have vim next to my package on their servers - as expected. But when I now release a new version of this package that contains a "Recommends: vim, htop" line, then the servers will install my new package via apt - but they won't ins
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05:48<iammyr>and yesterday when I turn off my laptop everything worked well, I didn't update anything neither install anything
05:49<iammyr>neither change permissions to anything
05:49<jm_>MartinVW: your line was too long
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05:49<MartinVW>oh, sorry
05:49<MartinVW>I'll split :)
05:49<MartinVW>I've got a problem with a package I've created. The control file contains a Recommends line, originally saying for example "Recommends: vim". This package was put on a CD and delivered to customers, who now have vim next to my package on their servers - as expected.
05:49<Shadowdancer>start at "tall htop"
05:49<MartinVW>But when I now release a new version of this package that contains a "Recommends: vim, htop" line, then the servers will install my new package via apt - but they won't install htop.
05:49<MartinVW>Is this expected behaviour that Recommends only work when initially installing and not when updating?
05:50<weasel>recommends are recommends.
05:50<weasel>if you need the stuff then depend on it.
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05:50*weasel thinks installing recommends automatically was one of the worst ideas ever
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05:51<MartinVW>These packages are not exactly required for the servers to work, they are more of the kind of 'nice to have' when we log in remotely to fix issues.
05:51<MartinVW>So I thought it would be not nice to force these packages onto customers - if they really want to, they should be able to remove that stuff.
05:52<weasel>make a meta package called local-stuff-nice-to-have
05:52<weasel>that depends on everything you would like to have
05:52<jm_>MartinVW: that behavior seems logical to me yes
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05:54<markus2>Hey, i just wounder if it's possible to make a fake keyboard using STDIN, like "application < $some_sort_of_socket" and then i another shell do something like this to controll it,, "echo "key" > $some_sort_of_socket", if it is possible, could someone point me in the direction of doing this easy and effective?
05:54<weasel>are you looking for a named pipe?
05:54<MartinVW>yes, a nice-to-have meta package would be a solution, I guess. I will consider it if I really won't find a solution to fix the recommends :)
05:55<weasel>they aren't broken.
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05:56<markus2>weasel: yes i think that seems right :)
05:56<weasel>great.
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05:57<markus2>Thx..
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06:03<markus2>If i then want to simulate keyboard presses, like echo -n "n" > mypipe, that does'nt work, wich format should use so the main program use like a regular key press?
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06:04<weasel>chances are your application behaves different when reading from pipes than when reading from a terminal.
06:04<weasel>there's more buffering going on in that case usually.
06:04<weasel>and you don't really send "key presses" around anyway.
06:04<weasel>what do you want to do anyway
06:05<jm_>markus2: you can also use apps like expect
06:05<jm_>perl also has expect module
06:07<markus2>weasel: hmm, okey,, I have build a htpc, and now trying to make a remote controll work, the methods they use for sending keypresses from the remote i think is pretty bad, and does'nt work so god.
06:07<markus2>the methods lirc uses.
06:07<weasel>htpc?
06:07<weasel>ah
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06:08<markus2>Yes, using Dialog.. so the actual comman i was testing is Dialog hey 10 30 <mypipe
06:08<weasel>interesting problem.
06:09<MartinVW>OK, now I understand. If aptitude would always try to reinstall all recommends whenever my package got updated, customers would be able to remove recommended packages, but only until my package gets updated the next time. So the behaviour indeed makes sense.
06:10<jm_>no they could simply disable installation of recommends, no need to remove it after it's installed
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06:10<markus2>So, i don't think expect works.. But changing STDIN would be pretty good.. If it works will say
06:11<jm_>if it reads from stdin expect definitely works
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06:13<markus2>jm_: Yes,, but i mean that becuse it's not actually a interactive applicatin im trying to run. As i think expect is more suitable for?, i would like something more like echo "keypress" > mypipe.. but maybe thats impossible,, I will have a closer look att expect anyway
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06:14<jm_>markus2: what app is it?
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06:15<ravenbird>ROOOOOT has landed!
06:15<markus2>jm_: App im triyng to controll?, it's dialog
06:15<jm_>markus2: you're trying to control dialog with a remote control?
06:15<markus2>easy explained one could say that im trying to do a keyboard driver for a remote,,
06:15<jm_>what's the point?
06:16<markus2>jm_: The point its that i used in htpc, and im using dialog for choosing which channel i wanna se
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06:17<jm_>markus2: why not write an app using liblirc?
06:17<jm_>markus2: or use irexec?
06:17<markus2>i already got so far so i can get e command executed based on a keypress on the remote controll (lirc handles that)
06:18<markus2>Yes, its possible, but does'nt have support for arrow keys.
06:18<jm_>you can use irpty for that
06:19<markus2>its irpty that does'nt have support for arrow keys.. i have'nt managed to get it work
06:19<markus2>and irxevent i don't like at all, and it needs X
06:21<jm_>it should be able to send arbitrary sequences
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06:22<markus2>Yes it's possible one done something wrong also.. ive tried things like \40 and \xHEXCODE
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06:22<markus2>It's possible iv'e dine something wrong
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06:25<jm_>config \e[A
06:25<jm_>etc.
06:26<markus2>okey,, hmm,, that was something new
06:26<markus2>I will test that=)
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06:26<Administrator>hi all
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06:28<grig>trying to install debian 4.04a from usb stick
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06:29<grig>unfortunately the installer doesn't detect my CDROM
06:29<grig>"Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted"
06:29<grig>any idea?
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06:34<wnight>I used netselect-apt to find the fastest mirror. That worked, except that it reported it by IP not not and the virtual hosting at the ISP blocked access by IP...
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06:35<online>Hello, how many MB need for video card Debian's ?
06:36<jm_>online: try asking your question in a different way
06:36<online>sorry my English is not very well.
06:36<online>I don't know how to ask.
06:36<jm_>oh how much ram graphic card needs? that depends
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06:37<online>jm_, yeah
06:37<online>minimum
06:38<jm_>minum can be as low as 1M
06:38<online>i think 32MB right?
06:38<iammyr>anyone could help me? my problem is explained here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=171283#171283
06:38<iammyr>it regard X
06:38<iammyr>^regards
06:38<online>jm_, 1MB ?
06:39<Nemoder>online: for Xorg it may depend on what resolution and color depth you wish to run
06:39<online>i use it for server.
06:39<Nemoder>but of course you can install debian without Xorg
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06:39<online>it's not for Desktop Edition
06:39<jm_>iammyr: which shell is your /bin/sh?
06:39<jm_>then you don't need X
06:39<iammyr>the default one...I've never changed it
06:39<Nemoder>if it's just displaying text then any videocard will do
06:40<jm_>verify it
06:40<iammyr>Do I have to check out /bin/sh?
06:41<iammyr>...just a minute
06:41<markus2>jm_: Whats is \e[A ? is it Key up?. anyway,, it does'nt work,, or it exits the application, so if its esc or something like that it works,, where do i get a list on aviable arbitrary sequences?
06:41<online>Nemoder, 32MB is perfect right?
06:42<jm_>markus2: this was up for xterm -- try ctrl-v then press the key
06:42<Shadowdancer>how do I switch console fonts on the text console? I'd like to try the kernel built-in SUN font
06:42<Nemoder>online: that should be fine
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06:42<jm_>Shadowdancer: you can pass that on command line
06:42<online>Nemoder, Thanks.
06:43<Shadowdancer>jm_: any link to good documentation? My Google-fu fails for that
06:43<iammyr>jm_: how can I verify which shell I use?
06:44<iammyr>I'm googling but..
06:44<markus2>iammyr: ls -l /bin/ | grep sh
06:44<markus2>then you will se youre default shell
06:45<Shadowdancer>aaah, fbcon
06:45<iammyr>bash is cotained in /bin
06:45<iammyr>^n
06:45<jm_>Shadowdancer: fbconf=font:foo
06:46<markus2>jm_: so thats does'nt work,, Should i give up the STDIN and piping idé to?.. or is there a chance that i works?
06:46<markus2>iammyr: you wanna look wath /bin/sh points at..
06:46<markus2>iammyr: i have this in mine,, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-08-19 20:06 sh -> dash
06:46<jm_>markus2: did you try starting dialog via irpty?
06:46<iammyr>sh -> bash
06:47<iammyr>ok..sorry :p
06:47<iammyr>so my shell is bash
06:47<jm_>iammyr: what is in line 4 of /etc/profile?
06:48<iammyr>this is the profile file that I've substituted with mine: http://paste.debian.net/?show=15354;lines=0
06:48<iammyr>it's of a debian user and it works well for him
06:48<markus2>jm_: Yes, and the other entries work, like config 1, config 2, config \e.. so it is no wrong with the drivers, remote or something like that
06:48<jm_>change id to /usr/bin/id
06:49<jm_>markus2: well find the sequence you need to use and send that then
06:49<iammyr>jm_: so in line 4 there's: if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
06:49<jm_>iammyr: yes, see above
06:49<iammyr>ok I'm going to try..thanks so much
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06:50<wnight>Is there a way to use netselect from the installer? I always guess wrong.
06:50<jm_>i have a feeling that won't be enough though
06:51<markus2>jm_: When im checking in gnome terminal i get ^[[A for up key?..i guess its the same?
06:51<jm_>markus2: yup, you can send what irpty sends to the app
06:51<jm_>you can check
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06:52<markus2>jm_: How do i check that?
06:52<jm_>markus2: strace -f -o /tmp/str.txt strace irpty ....
06:52<jm_>blah remove 2nd strace string
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06:53<iammyr>jm_: now my ~/.xsession-errors has been modified but still contains errors which are:
06:53<markus2>jm_: okey,, i will check and see whats happening:)
06:53<iammyr>Failed to remove the file (null): invalid address.
06:53<iammyr>gconf-sanity-check-2 did not pass, logging back out
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06:54<jm_>iammyr: try renaming your ~/.gconf* files
06:54<iammyr>but it's not identifing errors in line 4 which is quite great
06:54<jm_>or dirs
06:54<iammyr>renaming from ~/.gconf* in what?
06:54<iammyr>whatever?
06:55<jm_>yeah .gconf_mybackup or whatever
06:55<jm_>also try to run /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2
06:55<jm_>and then do echo $?
06:56<Shadowdancer>jm_: are theveral fbcon options specified as "fbcon=font:foo fbcon=scrollback:bar", or something like "fbcon=font:foo,scrollback:bar"?
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06:59<markus2>jm_: That was to much chinese for me.. but Thanks anyway=)
07:00<iammyr>jm_:sorry for my ignorance...'mv .gconf* .gconf_mybackup' but I don'tr know how many are them ('cause they're hidden), so if I want to call them with different names 1,2,3...how can I do?
07:00<iammyr>.gconf_mybackup1,2,3...
07:01<jm_>Shadowdancer: comma separated
07:01<Shadowdancer>thanks
07:01<jm_>iammyr: ls -a|grep gconf
07:01<jm_>markus2: just check what happened after the write
07:02<Shadowdancer>on a slightly unrelated note, I now have a completely readable backtrace that I just need to type off the laptop screen :-)
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07:02<jm_>yeah that's why I got familiar with this - to be able to see a lof ot text with 4x6 font ;)
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07:04<iammyr>jm_: ok, tks...I've just renaimed them and the command you suggested me returns:
07:05<iammyr>Joined: 18 Jul 2007
07:05<iammyr>Posts: 965
07:05<iammyr>
07:05<iammyr>PostPosted: 2008-08-22 09:52 Post subject: Translation Reply with quote
07:05<iammyr>After typing the login credentials ( at the graphical interface, that is with X already started), the following error appears:
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07:05<iammyr>sorry...
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07:05<iammyr>it returns Impossible to open or create the file "(null)"; this indicates that there may be a problem with the configuration because many programs should be able to write to the directory home
07:06<markus2>jm_: write(1, "\33[?1000h", 8) = 8
07:06<iammyr>Error: "failed to create file '/gconf-test-locking-file-VT1QFU': "Permission denied" (errno = 13)"
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07:06<markus2>jm_: is that something that could be rigth?
07:06<iammyr>and in $? there's 1
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07:06<markus2>jm_: theres a long line to,, saying: "\10\10\33[30m\33[47m<\33[0;1m\33(B\33[30m\33[47m".
07:07<markus2>and some more line,, i will test to press down many times to see wich line is wich
07:10<markus2>jm_: there seems to be two line for wvery down keypress
07:10<markus2>first : write(1, "\10\10\33[30m\33[47m<\33[0;1m\33(B\33[30m\33[47m"..., 191) = 191
07:10<markus2>write(1, "\33[25;52H\33[0;1m\33(B\33[37m\33[44m<\33[33"..., 207) = 207
07:11<iammyr>(jm_: you suggested me to run '/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2' and then: 'echo $?'..I've posted results above..thanks so much however...)
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07:13<iammyr>I've been just suggested to do:
07:13<iammyr>chmod -R a+rwx /tmp
07:13<iammyr>lol
07:13<iammyr>what do you think?
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07:17<coco>Many debian packages include the GPL license text, which is copyrighted. Is this a violation of the DFSG?
07:17<weasel>wow
07:18<weasel>you are the first to ever have thought of that
07:18<weasel>it hasn't been discussed on debian-legal a gazillion times
07:18<coco>I come after reading debian-legal for a while
07:18<weasel>http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/
07:18<coco>sorry
07:18<coco>thanks
07:18<coco>:)
07:19<iammyr>...chmod -R a+rwx /tmp didn't works
07:19<weasel>iammyr: ls -ld /tmp
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07:21<Shadowdancer>artefact: I managed to get a stacktrace :-) http://kerneltrap.org/files/laptop_stacktrace.txt
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07:21<elmaru>ola
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07:22<Carlos_>hi
07:22<elmaru>ola carlos
07:22<elmaru>k tal
07:22<elmaru>???
07:22<Carlos_>hola :)
07:22<elmaru>de donde eres??
07:22<Carlos_>este canal es en ingles o en castellano?
07:22<noflash>!es
07:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:23<Carlos_>elmaru I'm from Barceloan
07:23<elmaru>yo creo k es ingles
07:23<Carlos_>si :)
07:23<iammyr>weasel: drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096
07:24<Carlos_>How can I change the inbox to the home directory with postfix and procmail?
07:24<elmaru>pero yo soy española
07:24<elmaru>jejejeje
07:24<iammyr>^followed by the actual date and hours+ /tmp
07:24<weasel>iammyr: looks good.
07:24<elmaru>y tu??
07:24<weasel>!es
07:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:24<elmaru>carlos
07:25<NotoriuStyle>let me try italian language ...
07:25<NotoriuStyle>!it
07:25<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:25<jm_>iammyr: is your home dir set properly? does getent return it?
07:25<Carlos_>elmaru me too
07:25<Carlos_>NotoriuStyle sorry
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07:25<Carlos_>NotoriuStyle it's spanish btw
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07:26<jm_>markus2: you want to check what happens after you press the relevant button on remote and lirc sends up key sequence to the dialog process
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07:28<iammyr>weasel: I still get the errors explained here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=30091
07:29<weasel>your system looks fucked
07:29<weasel>paste your /etc/profile somewhere online?
07:29<weasel>ah, you appear to have fixed your profile.
07:30<weasel>some other files still are broken tho.
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07:30<weasel>hard to tell which. start by setting "set -x" at the top of etc/gdm/Xsession?
07:30<iammyr>jm_: how can I use getent for that purpose?
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07:31<iammyr>weasel: just a minute
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07:32<markus2>jm_: Theres many writes,, where should i start? Theres a big differnce between when using keyboard and remote controll.. do diff would'nt work
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07:34<iammyr>weasel: I've inserted 'set X' in the first line of the file /etc/gdm/Xsession (this is what you meant above, isn't it?) and now in .xsession-errors I get
07:34<weasel>that's not what I told you to do tho.
07:35<iammyr>X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting
07:35<iammyr>weasel: oops.... what you meant?
07:36<iammyr>oopps ....just a minute :P:p
07:37<jm_>iammyr: getent passwd username
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07:37<jm_>markus2: ok, strace it, tail it in the other terminal, rememeber what's the last thing written (-t switch for trace will help)
07:37<jm_>then press the button on remote, and then check the file from there on
07:39<lothar>Hi, has anybody got compiled opencascade or is there anywhere a repository I can fetch it for Etch (PPC) ?
07:40<iammyr>weasel: now my xsession-errors contains this: http://paste.debian.net/15363/
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07:40<yang>Linux T-shirt statistics - http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/linux_shirt.jpg
07:40<Carlos_>Any idea on how to change inbox from /var/mail/<user> to /home/<user>/INBOX? with postfix+procmail?
07:41<iammyr>weasel: now I've insertes set -x at the top of that file...
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07:43<iammyr>jm_: it returns nothing but the prompter and echo $? return 2
07:43<iammyr>^returns
07:43<markus2>jm_: here is everything that happends after the buttom i pressed.. using config \e[A
07:43<markus2>http://pastebin.com/m4f207e39
07:44<markus2>you see on line 4 whats been written
07:44<jm_>iammyr: did you replace word username with the real user?
07:45<iammyr>weasel: the message at the line 159 translates as 'Impossible to remove the file (null): invalid address'
07:45<solid>Hi, which package do I need to install to get all the snd modules back? My are gone and I don't know why...
07:45<markus2>if you wait a moment i will post a strace of a keyboard press and pressing a working button on remote
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07:48<iammyr>jm_:(sorry but I tried substituting both passwd and username with the real username and password but it didn't work...)however now substituting only username I get: myr:x:1000:1000:iammyr,,,:/home/myr:/bin/bash
07:48<iammyr>so it seems to work fine, isn't it?
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07:49<jm_>markus2: you can clearly see it changing cursor position and generating mouse event
07:49<jm_>iammyr: no, "getent passwd iammyr" for example
07:49<jm_>iammyr: right, I wonder why it tries to write to / then
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07:51<iammyr>jm_:however inserting set -x in /etc/gdm/Xsession as suggested by weasel, I get this .xsession-errors: http://paste.debian.net/15363/
07:51<jm_>markus2: but then the dialog exits, hmm
07:52<MeFeS>q всем!здесь есть человек, который не будет посылать к гуглу в ответ на вопрос?
07:52<iammyr>so 'Failed to remove the file (null): invalid address.
07:52<iammyr>gconf-sanity-check-2 did not pass, logging back out"' remains
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07:52<jm_>iammyr: did you rename gconf dir?
07:52<jm_>!ru
07:52<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
07:53<markus2>jm_: REgular keypress up: http://pastebin.com/m791fb1c2 .... Pressing buttom 4 on remote, config 4: http://pastebin.com/m16cd46d9
07:55<iammyr>jm_: yeah I've found that in the home dir are contained only two files: gconf and gconfd and I've already renamed them both
07:55<iammyr>^ive forgotten the dots
07:55<markus2>as you se i have cut out the important part using the "tail method"
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07:55<iammyr>.gconf and .gconfd
07:56<iammyr>jm_:weasel: will you reinstall everything if you were me?
07:57<jm_>iammyr: no - did you rename .gconf dirs?
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07:57<jm_>markus2: is this on console?
07:58<markus2>jm_: hmm.. im using ssh
07:59<iammyr>jm_:I've just answered you, see above
07:59<jm_>markus2: what does the first strace show?
08:00<jm_>iammyr: ok, run /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 ; exit $?
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08:00<markus2>jm_: first strace? what do you mean?
08:01<jm_>markus2: ok I get it
08:01<iammyr>jm_:I've already run it and I got: "Impossible to open or create the file "(null)"; this indicates that there may be a problem with the configuration because many programs should be able to write to the directory home. Error: "failed to create file '/gconf-test-locking-file-VT1QFU': "Permission denied" (errno = 13)"
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08:02<Golfgeo>Hi all
08:02<iammyr>jm_:I've been suggested to run a dist-upgrade...what do you think?
08:03<Golfgeo>Anyone else haveing a problem with video not showing in vlc on kde in Testing?
08:03<iammyr>jm__: it says also impossible to remove the file (null): invalid address
08:04<jm_>iammyr: run ltrace -o /tmp/l.txt -S /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 -- then check what happens once it reads /etc/nsswitch.conf
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08:05<Golfgeo>Fixed it! :-) Dammed dpkg-reconfigure worked :-)
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08:07<iammyr>jm_:ltrace comand not found
08:07<jm_>iammyr: install it
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08:09<iammyr>lol..is there a similar program which I can use in substitution?..otherwise I have to log out because I have to attach the modem from here to my laptop...
08:09<jm_>yeah you can try using wdm or xdm
08:09<jm_>or simply use startx
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08:09<jm_>perhaps setting TMP/TEMP/TMPDIR might help too
08:10<jm_>iammyr: did you check permissions on /tmp?
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08:10<iammyr>I've changed them as suggested: chmod -R a+rwx /tmp
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08:10<schlurchz>I think for some reason glib tries to create a temporary file in /.
08:11<jm_>markus2: i'd say it reads a different sequence
08:11<iammyr>and now I get with ls -ld /tmp: drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096
08:11<jm_>yeah that's fine
08:12<iammyr>should I still install ltrace? or it's not necessary
08:12<markus2>jm_: im tested it on console only.. and the part direct after the keyboard up is pressed its reads like this read(0, "\33", 1) = 1
08:12<iammyr>(sorry jm_ I reaaaally appreciate your help)
08:12<markus2>i guess the \33 is the interesting part?.. or im wrong?
08:12<jm_>iammyr: naah if wdm works use that
08:12<jm_>markus2: \33 is escape aka \e
08:12<jm_>markus2: something else should follow it
08:13<iammyr>so: wdm -o /tmp/l.txt -S /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2
08:14<iammyr>?
08:14<jm_>no, wdm is a replacement for gdm ;)
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08:14<Golfgeo>Oh yea, anyone know a good dvd-ripping tool with recoding options?
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08:15<iammyr>are you joking?:° startx obviously doesn't work
08:15<Golfgeo>Editing options that is to say... And for kde?
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08:15<iammyr>:(
08:15<markus2>jm_: theres comming a long line like before near the end.. between that its showing a read(0, "[", 0) and after that a read(0, "A", 0).. if one add it togheter it read [A
08:15<markus2>i could post it to on pastebin
08:16<kurt>Русские есть?)))
08:16<iammyr>ok...so I'll be back in minutes I'm going to trying that command with ltrace
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08:16<iammyr>thanks however ;)
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08:17<kurt>I need to go for a walk with my beer
08:17<kurt>Kalinka-malinka!
08:17<jm_>Golfgeo: dvdrip is nice
08:17<Golfgeo>jm_: Thanks mate :-)
08:17<jm_>markus2: hmm that's the same then
08:18<kurt>ХУЙ!
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08:18<markus2>jm_: maybe,, anyway here is it.. http://pastebin.com/m590feb50
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08:20<markus2>jm_: I cant seems to find that it read \33 when using Remote Controll.. its seems missing, i only see that its writin http://pastebin.com/m4f207e39 (same as before)
08:21<markus2>jm_: or is it that read resumed thing?
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08:21<ali3n0>hi guys. I've to backup a few winxp desktop-laptops here in the lan and I'm trying to figure out which is the best product for a small business like this (less than 10 pc). any suggestion? I know only bacula
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08:22<jm_>markus2: yeah, just follow process 2736 and you'll notice it too reads \33 [ A
08:22<jm_>ali3n0: you can also try backuppc
08:23<ali3n0>jm_, I was giving a look but it doesn't look very straightforward
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08:24<Golfgeo>ali3n0: What do you need to backup off the machines?
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08:25<ali3n0>Golfgeo, just personal data
08:25<ali3n0>Golfgeo, let's say desktop and docs folders
08:25<Golfgeo>ali3n0: Do don't have a fileserver for that?
08:25<markus2>jm_: so in other word,, it seems like bug in irpty or something like that?
08:26<Shadowdancer>I might have found something on ym freeze issues...
08:26<Golfgeo>ali3n0: And what OS are the machines running?
08:26<Shadowdancer>http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/7/12/162
08:27<Shadowdancer>which is on the exact code path that apparently causes my issues.
08:27<jm_>markus2: hmm probably not - I'd need to have this locally to be able to figure out the details
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08:27<ali3n0>Golfgeo, desktops are xp home and pro. I'd like to keep data backups on a Lenny box of course ;)
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08:28<ali3n0>Golfgeo, was thinking about bacula but I'm wondering if there's something less complex
08:28<Golfgeo>ali3n0: Then convert the home versions to pro, setup a domain server and enable roaming profiles...
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08:29<Golfgeo>ali3n0: Simple and fast, although you do need an extra server. But you can keep the fileserver running Debian that way...
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08:29<ali3n0>Golfgeo, too much effort, just want to keep data redundancy
08:29<markus2>jm_: maybe not a bug,, but a limit in the application ?..Maybe a should download the sources for dialog and try to change the arrow keys to something like w a s d..
08:30<ali3n0>Golfgeo, maybe rsync
08:30<Golfgeo>ali3n0: As a System Administrator I would say that in the end this setup beats any other for the primary thing that matters, time spent on maintence...
08:30<Golfgeo>Crappy spelling again...
08:31<Golfgeo>ali3n0: Simple IT doesn't exist...
08:31<ali3n0>Golfgeo, rsync is :)
08:32<ali3n0>Golfgeo, not upgrading laptops to pro just for backing up
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08:32<Golfgeo>ali3n0: But the setup I just sugested is the best option to keep a small office running at mach speed... Simple user changes, PC additions and use standard images for client PC's.//
08:32<jm_>markus2: you can rebind dialog keys
08:33<Golfgeo>ali3n0: As you wish, but lookout for those all nighters when they need there data back...
08:33<ali3n0>Golfgeo, boss is not going to give me $ for licenses
08:34<ali3n0>Golfgeo, for unix boxes I'm using rdiff-backup and rsync and they are pretty easy to setup and maintain
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08:34<markus2>jm_: exactly that i was thinking of.. that would probably the easiest way to fix this..
08:34<Golfgeo>ali3n0: 10 seats and one w2k server isn't that expencive... I guess you're boss is just cheap...
08:34<markus2>then i have suffer from that arrow keys does'nt work when using a keyboard,, but that i can live with
08:35<petemc>you cant buy w2k any more
08:35<Golfgeo>ali3n0: But who am I to disagree...
08:35<petemc>Golfgeo: this isnt really the correct forum for advocating windows based solutions
08:35<ali3n0>Golfgeo, why to buy licenses in the end?
08:35<Golfgeo>petemc: Well, what ever version is currently the base...
08:36<ali3n0>I mean, there's plenty of good free software around, buy a win2k server is just the very last option
08:36<Golfgeo>petemc: I know this isn't that channel, but good advice none the less. And thats what counts...
08:36<petemc>its over £500 for windows small business server 2007
08:36<the-me>I've got the following big problem: We're using a 3,8 Tbyte parition and first grub and grub2 fails to install on it (guid partiton table) but lilo worked. now we upgraded to lenny and I wanted to replace lilo with grub{1,2} and have done a gptsync on this table. now grub{1,2} and lilo fail to install.. here are all needed informations: http://paste.debian.net/15368/
08:37<ali3n0>petemc, also if it is $50, I'd like to try everything else before ;)
08:37<Golfgeo>petemc: And the costs are a writeoff as it is an investment...
08:37<petemc>its an unneccesary expense
08:38<ali3n0>worse, it's spending money for low quality stuff
08:38<Golfgeo>ali3n0: I know there are other options out there, but fast and hasstle free is also something most corps like... But thats my advice for a windows oriantated setup like you have.
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08:38*Golfgeo is signing off
08:39<ali3n0>Golfgeo, I understand and maybe in some environment is ok
08:39<jm_>the-me: are you sure grub supports new partition table at all?
08:39<ali3n0>Golfgeo, but I'm not buying a new pc just to do regular backups of a few megs
08:39<the-me>jm_, as far as I know grub2 should
08:39<petemc>ali3n0: i use dirvish
08:39<the-me>but anyway now lilo fails, too :<
08:39<Golfgeo>ali3n0: Last tip: Most small corps so it that way... Even just having you're fileserver running Debian makes costs sence in this senario...
08:40<the-me>and this is realy bad
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08:40<petemc>ali3n0: works well, i use cifs to mount any windows machines and run dirvish on that
08:42<jm_>the-me: maybe try set debug=all
08:42<the-me>jm_, at lilo?
08:43<ali3n0>petemc, giving a look at homesite, thanks
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08:44<jm_>the-me: no that's for grub
08:47<kurt>Russian Bear, Vodka the best of the best!
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08:48<Golfgeo>ali3n0: Did you research running a PDC from Samba? Last time I checked this it was is the making and perhaps another and cheap option...
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08:50<petemc>Golfgeo: why are you so hung up on him impementing a windows domain, he asked about backups
08:50<Golfgeo>ali3n0: PDC with active-directory I mean...
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08:51<Golfgeo>petemc: I am looking at the whole picture of client support... To enable him to support the network with ease... Thats why I am recommending a total rethink...
08:51<petemc>why not limit your advice to the scope of the question asked
08:52<MartinVW>regarding debtags: are the tag databases that it downloads signed to protect them from unauthorized modifications?
08:52<Golfgeo>petemc: Since my advice is larger than the scope of the question... Stratagy often has implications on a higher level...
08:53<petemc>you sound like a windows consultant
08:53<n3wbi3>hi. is it possible put opened windows upon menus in xfce?
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08:53<petemc>anyway, do what you like, im going to the pub
08:54<Golfgeo>petemc: Have a nice time mate :-)
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08:54<Golfgeo>petemc: I'm not a consultant, just a pratical systems engeneer...
08:54<MartinVW>We consider to use debtags in our product; for example we could use debtags to tag packages that should get automatically installed. Therefore signing would be important for us.
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08:57<ali3n0>Golfgeo, nah, the plan here is to migrate everything to linux one day, so no windows is going to fit into a unix world here, and not viceversa as usual
08:57<ali3n0>btw, I'm installing cygwin with ssh and rsync on a windoze
08:59<ali3n0>I'll test this for a few days and if is not good enough maybe I'll consider to implement bacula or backuppc
09:00<ali3n0>Golfgeo, btw, thank you for your advice about total rethink and stuff
09:01<jm_>MartinVW: debtags uses tags provided by apt by default
09:02<Golfgeo>ali3n0: You're welcome mate :-)
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09:06<MartinVW>jm_: so these are signed because they are delivered via apt? I'm not quite sure how this works yet... are new tag databases delivered as a package?
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09:07<jm_>MartinVW: check the packages file
09:10<MartinVW>Ah, I see. So the tags usually come signed. Thanks.
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09:12<iammyr>jm_: I've tryed the command you suggested me, (the one starting with ltrace)
09:12<iammyr>but I get the same error
09:12<iammyr>Impossible to open or create the file "(null)"; this indicates that there may be a problem with the configuration because many programs should be able to write to the directory home.
09:13<iammyr>Error: "failed to create file '/gconf-test-locking-file-VT1QFU': "Permission denied" (errno = 13)"
09:13<jm_>iammyr: that's only to debug the problem, it doesn't solve anything
09:13<weasel>iammyr: I'd reinstall. you broke something and you have no idea how to find out what it is.
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09:13<iammyr>I've also tried ugrading and dist-upgrading but I've not solved
09:13<jm_>iammyr: try TEMP=/tmp /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2
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09:13<weasel>iammyr: did you try logging in as a different user?
09:14<jm_>also try TMP and TMPDIR
09:14<iammyr>weasel: no...I've not created another user..how can I do to create it now, from the commmand line?
09:14<weasel>adduser.
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09:20<iammyr>jm_: I've tried your command (substituting each time, TEMP with TMP and TMPDIR as this is what you meant, isn't it?)
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09:20<iammyr>but it didn't work
09:20<iammyr>weasel: I've reated another user
09:20<iammyr>but logging in as this other user. I still get the same problems
09:20<iammyr>^created
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09:21<jm_>iammyr: well for whatever reason glib thinks your temp dir is /
09:22<jm_>or ""
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09:24<jm_>I have to go now
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09:24<iammyr>jm_: I remember you told me to check the behaviour while reading nss* after running that command starting with ltrace...but it returns that message and nothing referred to nss*..so I also tried dmesg but didn't find anything
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10:22<Igloo>Hi all
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10:23<Igloo>I think my old Debian installation is failing to boot in my new PC because the kernel is too old to recognise the SATA controller. Can anyone tell me where I can get a liveCD using a very recent kernel please?
10:25<Igloo>Ah, maybe http://www.plop.at/en/ploplinux.html is the answer
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10:26<petemc>!etchnhalf
10:26<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts>
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10:30<Igloo>petemc: Ah, that might do too, thanks!
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10:30<TMcTrain>hallo zusammen!
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10:30<TMcTrain>ich hab nochmals ein Image problem
10:30<petemc>!de
10:30<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
10:31<TMcTrain>hello everybody
10:31<TMcTrain>sorry for the language mix
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10:32<TMcTrain>Again I've an hdd-image problem
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10:32<TMcTrain>2 identical Mainboards
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10:34<MartinVW>hmm... I've found out I can specifiy a tag by putting "XB-Tag: role::iserv::module" into the control file for dpkg-buildpackage. But as far as I understand, I also need to specifiy a tag description in a vocabulary file, like "Tag: role::iserv::module \n Description: my tag". Where in my apt repository should I put this?
10:34<alys>When running Gnome, if I 'minimize' an application it just 'disappears'. There is no trace of it in the task bar. Please can someone tell me how to get the minimized application 'back'? Thank you.
10:36<angasule>alys: is this with a specific application? Maybe it's going to the systray?
10:37<alys>No, it seems to be 'general' - I don't know why.
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10:38<alys>Of course, it isn't too much of a problem - I can always select another virtual screen for the next application....
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10:48<naoliv>Hi! Is it a BadThing(tm) to create usernames with a dot? (like foo.bar)
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10:48<Shadowdancer>probably
10:48<MartinVW>naoliv: I don't think so. We do this routinely; our product replaces spaces with dots, so "John Doe" becomes john.doe.
10:49<ansgar>naoliv: Some software might have problems with that (e.g. OpenAFS)
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10:49<jthomas>What is the 'best' VMware-like project for running n Debian? And, does it have a graphical frontend?
10:49<Golfgeo>anyone any idea if the Canon Pixma MP120 or alike printers can be run from Debian?
10:50<naoliv>MartinVW, ansgar I am asking this because adduser defaults to not allow this kind of username (and probably there is a reason for this)
10:50<Shadowdancer>naoliv: it would annoy the hell out of base tools like chown
10:51<Shadowdancer>because that uses user.group
10:51<naoliv>But then it can be used as user.name:group, right?
10:51<petemc>naoliv: what do you want the users to be able to do?
10:51<MartinVW>yes, it can. As I said, we exactly do that.
10:52<naoliv>petemc, we are trying to organize the usernames here. The best solution that "we" (we = other people) found is to use name.lastname
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10:53<MartinVW>we have about 300 servers running in schools, avering about 500 users per server. Services we are using are apache, samba, ftp, cyrus and exim - no problem with these.
10:53<naoliv>Right. Good to know.
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10:53<MartinVW>Can't talk about stuff like OpenAFS and other network filesystems, as we are only serving Windows computers atm.
10:54<EmleyMoor>Do SATA backplane systems work OK with Debian, and what is the effect as far as what drives I would see and how?
10:54<naoliv>Thank you all for the help!
10:54<EmleyMoor>(device has 1 SATA connector and takes 4 drives internally)
10:55<EmleyMoor>(it says RAID 0, 1, 5 - could it do 6 with Debian?)
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10:57<MartinVW>Oh, I see, adduser (which I never used before) indeed won't allow dots. But useradd will.
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10:58<Shadowdancer>EmleyMoor: probably not, if it's a real RAID device
10:58<Shadowdancer>I guess it's some external RAID box that's attached via eSATA?
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10:58<pitu>hi all
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11:01<Cellus_sp>ola
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11:02<huobo>I've installed OS X on my laptop for iphone dev, and sshing into my debian box, but my meta/alt key on the laptop sends something else. How do i capture what it's sending to bind it to the meta key
11:02<Cellus_sp>alguem vivo por aqui rs?
11:02<rlcarrera__>si
11:02<Cellus_sp>fala portugues
11:03<Shadowdancer>what was it...
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11:03<Shadowdancer>!pt
11:03<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
11:03<egns>Cellus_sp, go to #debian-br
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11:03<egns>!es
11:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:03<newsense>Hunger: xev
11:04<newsense>huobo: xev
11:04<newsense>damn nick completion
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11:04<Cellus_sp>obrigado
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11:05<TMcTrain>Sorry for the delay! I've 2 identical Mainboards and 2 hdds. I took one and installed Debian 2.6.18-6 with every neccessary modules and working ethernet connection. After that, I put the hdd in the other system and tried to reboot, everything works perfectly fine, except the network connection. the system tries to access the network hadware over the mac adress and thats the only difference of the 2 systems. Can someone give me a cl
11:05<huobo>newsense: lol is there a console version? the debian box is a dedicated server a thousand miles away hehe
11:05<diogo>!keyboard
11:05<dpkg>A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/. For help setting up your keyboard, ask me about <keymap>, <keyboard specialkeys>, <multimedia keys>, <key delay>
11:05<huobo>newsense: and thanks!
11:06<EmleyMoor>ShadowDancer: It's an internal box - fits 4 drives into 3 5.25 bays
11:06<diogo>!keymap
11:06<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
11:06<EmleyMoor>As it is, single hotswap slots are cheaper (for 4) than that is alone
11:06<newsense>huobo: nm and sorry i know of no console version :-)
11:06<EmleyMoor>It looks very much like I am about to spend £600
11:07<newsense>s/sm/np
11:07<newsense>thats it i give up on typing this morning
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11:10<Shadowdancer>EmleyMoor: some real hardware RAID device won't magically gain RAID levels with another host OS
11:11<EmleyMoor>Shadowdancer: Don't know how real it is in any case
11:11<Shadowdancer>if it's a simple port multiplier, it depends on the kernel.
11:11<Shadowdancer>link to the product website?
11:11<huobo>!keyboard specialkeys
11:11<dpkg>keyboard specialkeys are some special keys in your keyboard such Home, End, PgUp and PgDown or others. I think you should read "man setkeycodes" that involves "man showkey" too.
11:11<EmleyMoor>I should be able to do it all from Linux simply using the motherboard anyway - with cheaper single bays
11:12<EmleyMoor>http://www.jj-computer.com/backplanes_st-3141.htm
11:12<EmleyMoor>Think I've ruled it out anyway
11:12<Golfgeo>installing cups again since I'm in need of my printer. But I'm getting a 403 forbidden error on the web interfase???
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11:14<EmleyMoor>With four hard drives on SATA, I should be able to do RAID 6 on lenny, shouldn't I?
11:15<sasha>hi i don t know what hapen but since some days my usb keys and external drives are not automounted under gnome anymore
11:15<TMcTrain> Sorry for the delay! I've 2 identical Mainboards and 2 hdds. I took one and installed Debian 2.6.18-6 with every neccessary modules and working ethernet connection. After that, I put the hdd in the other system and tried to reboot, everything works perfectly fine, except the network connection. the system tries to access the network hadware over the mac adress and thats the only difference of the 2 systems. Can someone give me a c
11:16<EmleyMoor>(if I can't 6 I might consider 5 or 1+0)
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11:17<diogo>!multimedia keys
11:17<dpkg>hmm... multimedia keys is the special keys on your keyboard for doing such things as changing the volume or launching your web browser. Check to see if these keys generate a scan code using xev. and set the keyboard layout correctly or assign them to a shortcut with xmodmap, kcontrolcenter, gnome-control-panel etc. Also ask me about <keytouch>. see http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html
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11:18<sasha>!automount
11:18<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
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11:18<sasha>!autofs
11:18<dpkg>autofs is probably a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s
11:19<qq>TMcTrain: take a look at >>> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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11:20<Shadowdancer>EmleyMoor: RAID 5 and 6 are rather expensive in terms of CPU overhead. If you want that, proper hardware may be useful.
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11:21<EmleyMoor>Shadowdancer: Is there a good comparison of RAID levels in such terms?
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11:22<EmleyMoor>I know 6 is good for surviving failures - a high consideration in my book
11:22<Shadowdancer>0, 1: cheap. 2, 3, 4: not useful. 5, 6: expensive
11:22<EmleyMoor>1+0 carries a higher risk of total loss than 6, does it not?
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11:22<Shadowdancer>6 can survive two failing disks
11:22<TMcTrain>thanks qq and after a look ing there?
11:22<Shadowdancer>well, 6 *always* survives two disks
11:23<qq>TMcTrain: delete contents , and reboot ...
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11:23<EmleyMoor>I have the money to do something fancy this time
11:24<benjamin>Is aptitude better than dkg?
11:24<benjamin>I mean than apt-get?
11:24<Shadowdancer>0 survives none, and a RAID1 arran with n disks generally survives n-1 disk failures
11:24<EmleyMoor>aptitude is the recommended package handling tool these days
11:24<TMcTrain>@qq: only the mac adress listed there or the whole content or the whole file?
11:24<benjamin>aptitude has a better dependency managment?
11:24<benjamin>or is it strictly the same than apt-get?
11:25<Shadowdancer>if you have real money, invest in a proper controller or even external box that just exposes the array as a standard drive.
11:25<qq>TMcTrain: only IP related content
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11:25<Shadowdancer>especially for the higher RAID levels, you will get vastly better throughput from those solutions.
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11:27<EmleyMoor>I could do with throughput comparisons for each way of doing it
11:28<TMcTrain>there is no IP related content
11:28<qq>TMcTrain: those 2 lines >> 1. # PCI device 0x... 2. SUBSYSTEM=="net", ....
11:28<qq>sorry for above
11:28<sasha>hi please could somebody help me to resolve my automount problem
11:29<EmleyMoor>Shadowdancer: What sort of thing would you call a "proper controller"?
11:29<Shadowdancer>EmleyMoor: from what I read, LSI, Adaptec and 3Ware/AMCC make decent stuff.
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11:30<Shadowdancer>but I haven't really cared enough for the last few years to be a good market guide
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11:31<benjamin>Can someone explain me the difference between aptitude and apt-get in the way they handle dependencies?
11:31<Shadowdancer>I also really need to go
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11:32<qq>!aptitude vs apt-get
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11:33<EmleyMoor>Could they make better motherboards if they took the FDC off?
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11:35<EagleScreen>i cannot find HP Deskjet 710c in CUPS printers list, only 712c and other similars, i know that 710 is available with some package
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11:36<dario>hola
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11:36<EagleScreen>hola dario, para hablar en español pudes visitar #debian-es
11:37<dario>EagleScreen gracias
11:37<d0rt>benjamin, my understanding is that by default, aptitude will remove dependencies if they were installed as a result of you asking for a related package (and not directly)
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11:38<d0rt>that's after the original package is uninstalled
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11:38<d0rt>in that same scenario
11:38<EmleyMoor>True. If you explicitly installed any though, it stays
11:39<d0rt>apt-get will remove only the original package (and leave the dependencies installed)
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11:39<d0rt>also I think that aptitude's dependency resolution algorithm is a bit more evolved than apt-get
11:40<EmleyMoor>(as my system dates back to the dark days before aptitude, there's a lot of stuff on it that stays when it needn't)
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11:42<TMcTrain>ok, the system gets the new mac adress but calles the device eth1 after a second try the device is listed as eth2. how do i get the new mac corelated with eth0
11:42<TMcTrain>?
11:42<fxiny>!z25
11:42<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
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11:47<EmleyMoor>Is SATA -> AHCI an appropriate setting for hot-swappable disks?
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11:58<MartinVW>EmleyMoor: I believe AHCI is required for hot-swapping, yes.
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11:59<EmleyMoor>MartinVW: Great
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12:10<d34dk9>how do I identify which Nvidia graphics card I have? lspci tells me "nVidia Corporation Unknown device 03d0" the nv driver cannot run opengl in googleearth
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12:12<enouf>d34dk9: run update-pciids
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12:13<d34dk9>huzza! it now tells me "nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 430 (rev a2)"
12:13<kop>\quit
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12:13<enouf>EmleyMoor: linux-ata.org, see hardware driver status, however best to eventually check the kernel source
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12:15<enouf>EmleyMoor: as something like the nVidia MCP55 Chipset might do ahci, but not hotswap, whereas the MCP65 and higher will .. something like that, i might be thinking NCQ or something
12:16<enouf>EmleyMoor: here's another example of a 'Gotcha!' http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-ide@vger.kernel.org/msg06694.html the ATi sb600 can't do 64bit DMA
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12:18<enouf>d34dk9: might as well run update-usbids too, while you're at it
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12:34<odla>can someone update dpkg so that kde4 includes lenny backports at http://kde4.debian.net/
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12:36<enouf>odla: you mean the factoid "kde4"?
12:36<odla>enouf: yeah
12:37<enouf>ok .. hrm, one sec
12:37<lucas_amorim>hello! I am having an error when I get to gnome on my lenny machine, nautilus (i.e. the icons on desktop) does not start and then pops up a window saying: Nautilus can't be used now, due to an unexpected error from Bonobo when attempting to locate the factory. Killing bonobo-activation-server and restarting Nautilus may help fix the problem.
12:37<lucas_amorim>Why is that happening? is that a known bug?
12:37<enouf>dpkg: kde4 is also For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/
12:37<dpkg>enouf: okay
12:38<enouf>odla: ;-)
12:38<odla>thanks
12:38<enouf>odla: but see how easy that was? :-p
12:38<odla>yup
12:38*odla makes a note of it
12:38<enouf>aye
12:39<fxiny>enouf: you are behind the wheel , tonight ;)
12:39<fxiny>hehehe
12:39<enouf>fxiny: nah .. gotta go real soon .. Nobody driving now ... bwahahahaha :-P
12:39<enouf>buckle up children :-p
12:40<fxiny>enouf: old anthem ;)
12:40<fxiny>children ?
12:40<enouf>kids
12:40<enouf>"Honey, i shrunk the kids!" :-p
12:41<fxiny>hahahaah
12:41<enouf>lucas_amorim: i personally have no idea - check out irc.gnome.org maybe
12:41<enouf>lucas_amorim: also the BTS
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12:43<lucas_amorim>also, another strange thing is happening now... (my lucky day? :s) When
12:43<lucas_amorim>When i use the gnome panel
12:43<lucas_amorim>the menu applications works ok
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12:43<lucas_amorim>but when I try clicking the menu places or system it just disappear
12:43<lucas_amorim>the panel is restarted
12:44<lucas_amorim>is anyone using lenny having the same problem?
12:45<enouf>lucas_amorim: might that be a compiz error or something?
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12:47<lucas_amorim>I am back...
12:47<enouf>hi
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12:47<screenn>how to build software without root privilages?
12:48<enouf>screenn: fakeroot?
12:48<screenn>I have a situation with garnome
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12:48<screenn>enouf could you tell me more about that?
12:49<odla>screenn: why are you building gnome packages?
12:49<lucas_amorim>I don't know how to start... can anyone help me? I have disabled composite in metacity to see If that was related to the problem, but it does not seem to be...
12:50<enouf>screenn: nothing much, ~$ apt-cache search fakeroot , then apt-cache show <pkgname> .. i only use it for debian pkgs like make-kpkg
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12:50<screenn>because I have the 2.22.3 gnome version, but I want to try 2.23
12:50<enouf>screenn: oh yeah, and for most things you don't need root privs to build, only to install
12:51<Aleric>lucas_amorim: lenny/gnome/metacity works fine for me.
12:51<enouf>lucas_amorim: hrm ... i think you will have more luck on the irc.gnome.org for gnome issues? maybe try #debian on freenode.net too?
12:51<screenn>maybe, but I had this : /bin/sh: ./configure: Permission denied
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12:52<lucas_amorim>Aleric: It was working fine this morning! and I dod not upgrade anything
12:52<enouf>screenn: well, is the dir the source is in have the correct perms?
12:52<screenn>sure
12:52<enouf>screenn: did you read the README and INSTALLs and such?
12:52<screenn>yes
12:53<enouf>oh well, i never heard of that package .. but i'd be wary of compiling as root
12:53<screenn>I too
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12:54<screenn>developers of garnome also wary of compiling as root
12:54<screenn>ok,
12:54<enouf>well, fakeroot helps that :-P
12:55<screenn>what can you advice me with compiling without root privileges?
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12:55<screenn>is it without, are you sure?
12:55<screenn>ok, I'll try to do that
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12:57<screenn>I've tried did that with sudo, that was a bad idea
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12:57<amphi>screenn: if you did make with sudo, 'sudo make clean' should clean up the mess
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12:59<screenn>work with sudo like a work with root priviledges, just without password
13:00<enouf>screenn: why would the devs be worried? they made it that way, lmao
13:00<screenn>but I no need the root priviledges, ok, I'm trying with fakeroot
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13:00<enouf>who said doing anything with sudo?
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13:04<screenn>enouf fakeroot makes superuser privileges also :(
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13:05<screenn>anybody have an experience with build software from simple user?
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13:05<screenn>without any root priviledges I mean
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13:06<enouf>screenn: makes what?
13:07<enouf>!fakeroot
13:07<dpkg>i guess fakeroot is a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them.
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13:07<screenn>enouf now wait a minute
13:07<enouf>screenn: i gotta run - wish you well .. bbl
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13:08<screenn>enouf http://paste.debian.net/15386/
13:08<bernhard>hi! How do I set icedove my default mailer so when I click a mailto link in iceweasel it opens an icedove composer window instead of asking me to configure evolution?
13:11<screenn>and that without root priviledges http://paste.debian.net/15387/
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13:19<kurumin>çço
13:19<kurumin>oi
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13:20<upsilon>bernhard: try http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_mail_client#Setting_email_client_for_Firefox_in_Linux
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13:21<upsilon>oh whoops
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13:21<upsilon>I wondered why tab complete didn't work for his name :)
13:22<angasule>heh
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13:26<smilingbandit2>I am trying to install 64-bit Etch on a Dell2950, with a 2.75TB raid 10 array. Grub will not install. Does anyone know how to work around this?
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13:31<firstman> /join #debian-devel
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13:36<TMcTrain>@dpkg & qq: thanks a lot! last time this didn't work but now a delete of the file z25-persistant-net.... befor inserting into the new system worked perfecly fine. So ther speaks nothing for a bigger system duplication!
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13:37<Mr_Giraffe>so uh, enouf
13:37<Mr_Giraffe>turns out it wasn't a kernel problem
13:37<Mr_Giraffe>when i rebooted again the display didn't turn on :P
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13:37<amphi>displays are overrated
13:38<qq>TMcTrain: np
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13:38<debman231>hello you guys
13:39<debman231>what is up fellas
13:40<debman231>hey hey hey........question ok? ummmmmm.......debian............ummmmmmmmmmmm..............broadcom ok?
13:40<amphi>debman231: more of a kernel question than a debian-specific one
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13:41<debman231>so.............um...........you don't know jack about it is what your saying then
13:42*amphi sighs
13:42<debman231>so.......should i visit fucking kernel.org?
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13:43<amphi>!friday
13:43<dpkg>hmm... friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! !
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13:43<debman231>yes dpkg........thats why your here today
13:44<fxiny>on friday i'm in love with you , get the cure !
13:44<debman231>what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
13:45<amphi>fxiny: heh
13:46<debman231>look, you can hack into my server, steal my laptop, or give me a nasty virus.........just don't fuck with my Debian box
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13:46<fxiny>amphi: ;)
13:47<Hydroxide>debman231: speaking as a channel op here, asking questions here about using the Linux kernel on Debian systems is fine.
13:47<Hydroxide>debman231: I didn't see what the discussion was earlier.
13:47<debman231>ohhhhh...........no prob!
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13:49<Hydroxide>debman231: (that includes kernel-specific questions within the context of using it on a Debian system.)
13:49<debman231>please......dont mind me, i have been trying to get this broadcom 43xx card working on a couple of my linux distro's.......im just going to get my orinoco back......im tired of linksys
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13:50<amphi>debman231: now you specify the card, AFAIK that should work with the bcm43xx module
13:50<debman231>AFAIK?
13:50<Hydroxide>debman231: As Far As I Know
13:50<Hydroxide>debman231: which version of Debian and which version of Linux?
13:51<Hydroxide>(you can find out by doing cat /etc/debian_version; uname -r)
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13:52<Hydroxide>or he can do that :)
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14:00<compaq>hi, I am trying to use the fruit chess engine. It requires uci protocol, but when I started it, and it asked if I should let it configure itself, or manual, and I let it go itself. It found all the chess engines I have installed except fruit
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14:00<compaq>so I added fruit but it doesn't work
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14:30<EmleyMoor>Is there a way in aptitude to mark a package that is already installed as "keep installed only if required by another package"?
14:32<newsense>EmleyMoor: might want to look at deborphan
14:33<EmleyMoor>newsense: I've looked at it. The problem is, my system dates back to potato days - and many packages installed now would be better "automatically installed because of a dependency"
14:34<EmleyMoor>deborphan has helped a bit
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14:35<newsense>EmleyMoor: not sure of any apt option that would help, sorry
14:35<EmleyMoor>Indeed... I didn't think so
14:35<EmleyMoor>I am actually trying to build a list of packages I definitely want on my new system, excluding any that would be installed because of a dependency and are not necessarily wanted otherwise
14:36<ja>setup question about going from linksys wired to wireless debian -- hel pls
14:36<EmleyMoor>As it's a complete rebuild on a new architecture it's worth doing
14:37<fxiny> EmleyMoor check debfoster
14:38<fxiny>defoster can give you a list with all dependencies like "package is keeping 3 packager installed" and so on
14:38<fxiny>then you work the list out
14:39<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: that's the automatically installed option
14:39<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: so go aptitude markauto foopkg;
14:39<fxiny>EmleyMoor: you can use debfoster to remove unwanted packages
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14:40<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: Only possible from commandline?
14:40<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: for starters, you probably want to open up aptitude's curses interface, and hit M on the whole library section of installed packages (and possibly from the other sections)
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14:40<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: nope; you can do most anything from the aptitude curses interface
14:40<EmleyMoor>Ah, M
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14:41<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: use '?' if you ever forget
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14:41<ja>anybody out there who is familiar with linksys router setup pls?
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14:41<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: there's also the aptitude manual, which is worth reading (differs from the manpage, which is just for quick reference)
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14:42<newsense>ja: offtopic but what is your specific ?
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14:42<vaderr>if S.M.A.R.T. shows no damaged blocks, but the Hard drive keeps shutting off randomly, is it bad? -.-
14:42<EmleyMoor>If I mark stuff auto, will it be marked for removal if nothing depends on it?
14:42<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: yes
14:42<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: it also assumes that nothing recommends or suggests it either, though
14:43<dondelelcaro>(though that particular bit is configurable)
14:44<ja>newsense: why is it offtopic? Specif: I have a linksys router I am trying to connect to my debian using wireless. I have the router running fine when I use the back connection of the router (ie wired). How can I make the connection wirless pls?
14:46<newsense>ja: is your wireless adapter functioning, iwconfig shows it ?
14:47<ja>newsense: yes, I haven't tried iwconfig, but I can get to the Internet and debian homepage using this wired setup.
14:47<newsense>jok unplug
14:47<newsense>s/jok/ok
14:48<newsense>any encryption or mac filtering setup on the router ?
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14:49<ja>newsense: there is a high degree of encryption, yes. Don't know about mac filtering or how to test for it. But I have been able to get streaming live radio on my wired setup.
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14:50<newsense>ja: have you tried to connect wirelesly ?
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14:50<newsense>are you using wpa ? if so do you have wpa-supplicant installed ?
14:50<ja>newsense: yes, but not successfully. That is precisely my problem.
14:51<newsense>ok
14:51<vaderr>hmm
14:51<ja>newsense: I am using wpa2. What is wpa-supplicant.
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14:53<draft>hi
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14:54<draft>I have 2 comzuters on debian connected via an ethernet crossover cable. Does anyone know how to send data from 1 computer to the other please ?
14:54<newsense>ja if ya have any ?'s after reading that let me know
14:55<draft>you have ?
14:55<draft>maybe wrong encoding ?
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14:56<ja>newsense: did you just send me any info?
14:56<newsense>i told apt to
14:56<newsense>err dpkg
14:56<newsense>haha
14:56<newsense>!wpa
14:56<dpkg>somebody said wpa was Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
14:58<newsense>im using wpa on my wlan due to the fact i have people with psp's that dont support wpa2
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15:01<draft>anyone for my question please ?
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15:02<newsense>draft: set static ips on both
15:02<newsense>edit /etc/network/interfaces
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15:06<newsense>draft: might want to make sure they can see each other by pinging one from the other first than setup any filesharing
15:06<newsense>draft: makes ts easier
15:07<draft>ok
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15:07<draft>but in interface file which address Ênetmask should I put ?
15:07<draft>address / netmask*
15:08<newsense>are you using a non routable ip like 192. or 10.1
15:08<newsense>man interfaces should explain it well
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15:14<draft>hum
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15:16<newsense>draft:set ips to 192.168.1.1 and 192.18.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
15:17<newsense>s/192.18.1.2/192.168.1.2
15:18<ja>newsense: how can I keep a log of our chat in a file or for printing pls?
15:18<newsense>depends on your client really
15:18<ja>newsense: I am using Icechat
15:19<newsense>never used it
15:19<draft>I"m getting "connect : network is unreachable" with this config : http://pastie.org/258194
15:19<newsense>usually you setup logging first than chat i think, never done it
15:19<newsense>or you could copy and paste to a file
15:20<ja>newsense: can't seem to be able to do anything with it. Let me try to page grab.
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15:20<m_101>hi
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15:20<ja>newsense: by the way, which irc program do you recommend or use?
15:20<m_101>does someone know how to copy a partition table to another disk on SPARC machines?
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15:21<m_101>on other machine it's : sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb
15:21<m_101>but there isn't any sfdisk on SPARC machines ....
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15:21<newsense>ja you got no firewalls right and not disabling or blocking icmp echo
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15:21<fxh>hi
15:22<fxh>does anyone know what happen to package 3ddesktop?
15:23<ja>newsense: yes, I do have firewalls and popup stopping
15:23<newsense>disable firewalls
15:23<draft>anyone may help please ? ;-)
15:23<newsense>or allow icmp echo at least for testing
15:23<ja>newsense: what happens after I do that?
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15:24<newsense>man
15:25<newsense>i was talking to draft and somehow got confused
15:25<newsense>ja what did you want ?
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15:26<ja>newsense: OK, my firewall is off.
15:26<newsense>ja and thanks for just following me blindly as i really meant that for draft which helped the confusion hahaha
15:27<ja>newsense: should I put up the firewalls again?
15:27<newsense>ja yeah
15:27<draft>newsense, it works thanks :D
15:27<newsense>man ive never sen this before
15:27<newsense>draft: np
15:28<newsense>i feel like an idiot still though haha
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15:28<ja>newsense: OK, the firewalls are up gain.
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15:29<newsense>ja check your irc client for anything related to logging and enable it and tailor it to your needs if it has the option
15:30<draft>newsense, rofl
15:30<newsense>same here
15:30<newsense>i could have said su root pass && rm -rf / and poof
15:31<qq>m_101: try gpart ( Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions)
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15:31<m_101>gpart isn't available on SPARC
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15:31<qq> apt-cache search sfdisk
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15:32<m_101>nothing
15:32<m_101>already tried it ><
15:32<m_101>util-linux is installed ... but no sfdisk ^^#
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15:33<m_101>I wanna copy the first disk partition sheme to the second disk
15:33<m_101>(exactly the same disk)
15:33<m_101>then do some RAID ;)
15:33<m_101>(RAID 1 to be precise)
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15:33<clint1986>evening all :)
15:34<fxh>m_101: you tried 'aptitude search parted'?
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15:35<m_101>I've installed parted :D
15:35<qq>i see , try partition the second disc with sparc utils , maybe that aid , to put a sparc disc driver on that
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15:36<fantonio_br>I had this error to use dpkg-buildpackage to generate the debian package of apache2
15:36<fantonio_br> dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp
15:36<fantonio_br>cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/share/apache2/default-site/htdocs/manual': No such file or directory
15:36<fantonio_br>dh_install: command returned error code 256
15:36<fantonio_br>make: *** [install] Error 1
15:36-!-fantonio_br was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
15:36<fxh>any news on package '3ddesktop'?
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15:36<m_101>ok I've installed sparc-utils
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15:36<amphi>fxh: I haven't seen that in years
15:37<newsense>i use kvirc in x
15:37<newsense>nm
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15:37<ja>newsense: tks for your help -- bye for now. I may come back to bother you again.
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15:38<fxh>amphi: do you know anything equivalent?
15:38<newsense>ok cool
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15:38<amphi>fxh: compiz?
15:38*newsense eats a wendys spicy chicken
15:38<m_101>mmm no need for sparc-utils ....
15:38<m_101>><
15:38<fantonio_br>I had this error to use dpkg-buildpackage to generate the debian package of apache2
15:38<fantonio_br>dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp
15:38<fantonio_br>cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/share/apache2/default-site/htdocs/manual': No such file or directory
15:38<fantonio_br>dh_install: command returned error code 256
15:38<m_101>(the disk driver is already there .... I've putted it with the Debian Installer rescue mode
15:39<fantonio_br>make: *** [install] Error 1
15:39<fantonio_br>help me
15:39<qq>!paste
15:39<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
15:39<qq>fantonio_br: ^^^^
15:39<fxh>amphi: thanks. I will try.
15:40<amphi>fxh: it's a lot more than 3ddesktop, it's a compositing window manager
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15:41<m_101>.... going to do the stuff manually with fdisk finally ><
15:41<fantonio_br>ok
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15:41<fxh>amphi: yes, just read the description. I'll give it a try anyway to see the capabilities.
15:41<fantonio_br>sorry
15:42<beagle>someone can install mozilla firefox in debian etch?
15:42<m_101>it's already included
15:42<Aleric>iceweasel?
15:42<m_101>look for iceweasel
15:43<AzaTht>is there a way to automatically ignore a nic if I set up another nic with the sme network?
15:44<amphi>fxh: you might find wiki.compiz-fusion.org of use
15:44<beagle>sorry can i said firefox 3
15:44<qq>beagle: firefox it is called iceweasel in debian
15:44<beagle>qq, yep thanks
15:45<qq>np
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15:45<AzaTht>Say I have a LAN interface default to 192.168.0.1 and a WAN interface default to DHCP, but if that interface gets a 192.168.0.0 address, is there a good way to solve this in an automatic fasion
15:46<m_101>....
15:46<m_101>problem with dhcp client?
15:46<qq>first 192.168.0.0 is a network , not a interface
15:46<m_101>192.168.0.0 is the network
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15:46<AzaTht>qq: meant "an" ツ
15:46<AzaTht>i.e. an adress on the 192.168.0.0 network
15:47<Aleric>I thought was a class C... Ie, 192.168.1.0 would be a network.
15:47<qq>add a host in dhcp
15:47<AzaTht>Aleric: it's B
15:47<beagle>bye
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15:47<m_101>192.0.0.0 is A, then 192.168.0.0 is B and 192.168.1.0 is C
15:48<Oesermaatra0069>#flood
15:48<AzaTht>m_101: not in classfull
15:48<fxh>amphi: thanks. I'm missing 3ddesktop though... it is a nice visual effect
15:48<m_101>classfull? what do you mean?
15:48<AzaTht>qq: trying to find out a good default setting for a SOHO/NAS/Router
15:49<qq>AzaTht: add in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf >>> host pb {hardware ethernet 00:a0:40:64:27:e6; fixed-address 192.168.1.188;}
15:49<AzaTht>m_101: there is classfull and classless addressing
15:49<m_101>never heard about it ...
15:49<amphi>fxh: compiz's 'cube' is somewhat similar - it's not a cube at all, but a prism with as many sides as you choose to have workspaces
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15:50<m_101>can you explain it AzaTht or give a link?
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15:50<AzaTht>m_101: the internet was built upon classfull, but all americal universities had difficult finding out how many printers they would need to install to fill up all their addresses they got
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15:50<AzaTht>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classful_network
15:50<AzaTht>m_101: sorry, typo before, only one f
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15:51<AzaTht>hope you didn't barked on that
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15:53<m_101>no problem
15:53<m_101>anyway ... it doesn't seem to make such a difference apart it's more precise ....
15:53<m_101>the classful scheme can go into the classless scheme ...
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15:57<fxh>amphi: that's a nice feature.
15:57<fxh>amphi: trying to run compiz...
15:58<amphi>fxh: I actually prefer 'wall', as it lets you lay out your workspaces in two dimensions
15:59<fxh>amphi: I can't see the result right now. I get an error when running it: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work.
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15:59<amphi>fxh: what video card?
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16:00<amphi>fxh: you may just need to install libgl1-mesa-glx & libgl1-mesa-dri
16:00<amphi>fxh: the wiki I pointed you to has info on what you need to do on various cards
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16:01<fxh>amphi: yes, going through the wiki at the moment.
16:01<fxh>amphi: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller
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16:01<amphi>fxh: you need the 'intel' xorg driver, the i915 kernel drm module
16:02<amphi>fxh: what branch of debian are you on?
16:02<fxh>amphi: unstable
16:02<amphi>fxh: compiz should run ok on that
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16:03<fxh>amphi: lsmod shows 'agpgart 28776 3 drm,intel_agp'
16:03<fxh>amphi: and 'drm 65256 3 i915,i810'
16:04<amphi>so the requisite kernel stuff is there; are those mesa packages installed?
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16:07<fxh>amphi: I'll dig it out. later. got to run. thanks for the info. Nice chatting with you.
16:07<amphi>fxh: you're welcome
16:08<fxh>bye
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16:31<m_101>how do we write a RAID superblock?
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16:33<m_101>qq : how do we write a RAID superblock on a disk?
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16:33<qq>i dunno , sorry
16:33<m_101>by the way I've got another problem ... I've edited the partitions types on each disk : ext3 -> fd
16:33<m_101>ok
16:33<m_101>no way to revert it back ><
16:33<m_101>fdisk doesn't want to ><
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16:34<iamclueless>anyone here play with the kde4 lenny backport yet
16:34<qq>!kde4
16:34<dpkg>it has been said that kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/
16:36<m_101>!mdadm
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16:37<qq>!dmadm
16:38<loki_>hi, does anyone know how tu re-setup my monitor, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" doesn't work... (lenny 2.6.26)
16:39<peterS>qq: /msg dpkg mdadm
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16:40<qq>peterS: qq: m_101 : /msg dpkg mdadm ...
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16:46<m_101>ok
16:46<m_101>ok I've managed to RAID 1 partition /boot
16:46<m_101>sda1 : /boot
16:46<m_101>sda2 : /
16:47<m_101>but can't raid sda2 .... going to do it in TFTP debian installer rescue mode
16:47<qq>m_101: try too to join #debian-boot
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16:48<qq>m_101: i have seen there some sparc users
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16:48<m_101>ok
16:48<m_101>thank you
16:49<m_101>going to continue to dig and stay in IRC ;)
16:49<qq>!softraid
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17:04<shivraj>whats the best window manager ?
17:04<shivraj>anything better than gnome ?
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17:04<qq>!popcorn
17:04*dpkg pours a bag of popcorn into fugit's lap. (You probably mean popcon, ask me about "popcon")
17:05<qq>!popcon
17:05<dpkg>rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
17:05<amphi>!best
17:05<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
17:06<shivraj>does anyone want to buy an ati video card ?
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17:07<amphi>heh
17:07<EmleyMoor>This tidy-up I'm doing is certainly making me rethink
17:08<EmleyMoor>I'm taking lots of stuff off simply because I never use it
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17:09<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: one of the nice things is that you can easily stick that stuff back if you ever change your mind
17:09<EmleyMoor>Yes
17:09<EmleyMoor>A lot of it (games especially) I might put back one day
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17:11<rajesh>is there any debian package for google earth like rpm?
17:12<dondelelcaro>rajesh: googleearth-package
17:12<rajesh>ok..thanks
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17:34<knoppix_>hallo.........leute
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17:36<m_101>does someone know what missing is for in this command :
17:37<m_101>mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-disks=2 missing /dev sdb1
17:37<m_101>mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-disks=2 missing /dev/sdb1
17:37<Ryan52>that seems right
17:38<m_101>what does missing do?
17:38<Ryan52>oh
17:38<Ryan52>it adds a missing device
17:38<Ryan52>so it doesnt add a device
17:38<Ryan52>but it reserves a spot for the device
17:38<Ryan52>(I guess thats a way of putting it...)
17:39<m_101>ok ... ... so if I want to add all my disk in my array and make it work I write this then? :
17:39*Aleric creates a missing pot of gold next to him.
17:39<Aleric>Oh! I'm rich!
17:39*Ryan52 steals Alerics gold
17:39<m_101>mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level1 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
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17:39<Ryan52>m_101: to create a new on, yes. if you want to add it to the existing one you do it differently.
17:40<m_101>if I wanna add to the existing one :
17:40<m_101>(mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-disks=2 missing /dev sdb1)
17:40<m_101>mdadm --add /dev/md1 /dev/sda1
17:40<Ryan52>ya, that sounds right.
17:40<m_101>then the RAID 1 is rebuild on sdb1?
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17:40<Ryan52>no, it adds sda to the array and keeps the stuff on sdb
17:41<m_101>I'm asking this ... cause it's what I've done ... and I'm scared I fucked up my system lol
17:41<m_101>ow bad ><
17:41<m_101>so if the main partition was /dev/sda1 I should have done this ? :
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17:41<m_101>mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-disks=2 missing /dev sda1
17:41<m_101>mdadm --add /dev/md1 /dev/sdb1
17:41<m_101>?
17:41<Ryan52>that would clear everything out of sda1 first
17:42<Ryan52>you shouldve copied the stuff from sda to sdb.
17:42<Ryan52>make the array with only sda
17:42<m_101>how?
17:42<Ryan52>copy the stuff from sdb to md1
17:42<Ryan52>add sdb to md1
17:42<Ryan52>how for which part?
17:43<m_101>all the steps you're saying xD
17:44<Ryan52>so assuming that sda has your important stuff on it and sdb has nothing on it:
17:44<m_101>(by the way I still don't really get the thing about the difference between adding a missing device and adding a device ...)
17:44<Ryan52>rsync -a /mnt/sda/ /mnt/sdb/
17:45<Ryan52>mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-disks=2 missing /dev/sda1
17:45<Ryan52>mkfs /dev/md1
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17:45<Ryan52>rsync -a /mnt/sdb/ /mnt/md1/
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17:45<Ryan52>mdadm --add /dev/md1 /dev/sdb1
17:45<Ryan52>(I left out mounting and unmounting)
17:46<m_101>"mkfs /dev/md1" will copy the fs of sda1?
17:46<Ryan52>no
17:46<Ryan52>it will make a new filesystem on /dev/md1
17:47<Ryan52>rsync -a /mnt/sdb/ /mnt/md1
17:47<Ryan52>^copies everything from sdb to md1
17:47<Ryan52>oh, and there needs to be a trailing slash there
17:47<m_101>mmm ... isn't md1 the 2 disk in mirror?
17:47<m_101>xD
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17:47<Ryan52>no. it has 1.
17:47<Ryan52>1 real, 1 missing
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17:47<m_101>... I don't get it ... so it erase the real one?
17:47<Ryan52>then you add sdb after you rsync
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17:47<m_101>(don't get the diff between real and missing by the way ...)
17:48<Ryan52>real is a device
17:48<Ryan52>missing isnt a device
17:48<Ryan52>itś a way of saying Ill add this later
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17:48<m_101>ok, I'm starting to get it for missing ... you reserve a slot for sdb but don't actually add it
17:48<m_101>ok
17:48<Ryan52>ya.
17:48<m_101>and about mkfs /dev/md1 ... I don't get it
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17:48<Ryan52>that makes an emtpy filesystem
17:49<m_101>/dev/sda1 already has a filesystem no?
17:49<Ryan52>on md1
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17:49<Ryan52>it gets erased when sda1 is added to the array
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17:49<m_101>ok, so when you do mkfs /dev/md1 it erase everything on sda1 and make a new filesystem
17:49<m_101>then that's why you add sdb1 after ....
17:50<m_101>right?
17:50<Ryan52>no.
17:50<Ryan52>you copy everything from sdb1 to the array
17:50<Ryan52>using rsync
17:50<Ryan52>then you add sdb1
17:50<m_101>ok
17:50<Ryan52>if you dont then you'll lose all of your stuff
17:51<m_101>but mkfs /dev/md1 erase all the disk already in the array?
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17:51<Ryan52>yes.
17:51<Ryan52>here, let me make it simpler.
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17:52<m_101>ok I get it
17:52<plugwash>is grub-install /dev/hda correct syntax for installing grub to the MBR on hda?
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17:52<lontra>how do i set colours for vi? do i need to edit .bashrc?
17:53<m_101>even if you have many partitions, does "rsync -a /mnt/sda/ /mnt/sdb/" copy the partition table and all the data from sda to sdb?
17:53<Ryan52>m_101: http://slexy.org/view/s26BZ6MYeb
17:53<Ryan52>m_101: no /mnt/sda/ is where you mounted /dev/sda1
17:53<Ryan52>m_101: I didn't add the mounts and such
17:54<Ryan52>m_101: oops, http://slexy.org/view/s20daZFKWV
17:54<m_101>ok
17:54<Ryan52>m_101: then you'll have a raid array mounted at /mnt/md1 that has everything sda1 ysed to
17:54<Ryan52>err, used to
17:54<m_101>was just to make sure
17:55<m_101>ok now ... I really know I've fucked up my system lol
17:55<Ryan52>err, umount /dev/sda1 #note the 1
17:55<m_101>yeah ;)
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17:55<m_101>that's why it was strange ... sda is disk 1 and sdb is disk 2
17:55<m_101>xD
17:56<Ryan52>m_101: you did make backups, right?
17:56<m_101>Ryan52, it doesn't matter
17:56<m_101>it was a clean install
17:56<Ryan52>oh, good.
17:56<enouf>plugwash: basically , yes
17:56<m_101>so no data ;)
17:56<Ryan52>m_101: then why didn't you just re install with raid?
17:56<m_101>(I'm not foolish enough to test stuff I don't know on machines with data lol)
17:56<weasel>everybody can reinstall
17:57<m_101>I'm going to try to reinstall with soft raid
17:57<weasel>and a reinstall takes longer if you know what you're doing
17:57<m_101>it's activated, so the installer will get all the job done ^^
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17:58<enouf>no, rsync is at the FS level, no hidden sectors, nor boot sectors would be copied
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17:58<m_101>thanx for your help Ryan52 ;)
17:58<Ryan52>your welcome
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17:58<m_101>going to try the reinstallation with soft raid now
17:58<m_101>and I'll tell you guys about it ;)
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18:05<EmleyMoor>Big cleanup now actually in progress
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18:07<EmleyMoor>I'm partly hoping this will help me keep the machine "clean" and partly help me upgrade to lenny - this is my last etch box
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18:09*qq has all boxes on sid already
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18:14<EmleyMoor>I'd got lots of redundant libs
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18:16<zboy417>Hey, How do i set up samba on my debian?
18:16<zboy417>i've already ran apt-get install samba
18:18<Ryan52>zboy417: look at /etc/sam<TAB>
18:18<Ryan52>iirc, its pretty well commented.
18:18<Ryan52>ah, /etc/samba/smb.conf
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18:20<dasenjo>Hi, I'm trying to configure my laptop (thinkpad t61) wifi with the lenny beta netinst CD, I've installed wireless-tools and firmware-iwlwifi (non-free) and the module seems to be loaded ok .. the dhcp does not work ..can someone help me?
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18:21<Ryan52>dasenjo: I have a t61 too.
18:21<dasenjo>:)
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18:21*Ryan52 tries to remember what he had to do...
18:22<zboy417>Ryan52: i'm trying to set up a print server btw
18:22<dasenjo>and are you using the lenny kernel? or upgraded to 2.6.23?
18:22<Ryan52>dasenjo: Ive been using it between 2.6.23 and 2.6.26 (all of them)
18:22<Ryan52>maybe 2.6.22 too...
18:24<Ryan52>dasenjo: do you see a network from: iwlist wlan0 scan?
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18:24<dasenjo>yes ..
18:24<dasenjo>I see all the networks ..
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18:25<Ryan52>are you playing with an encrypted network?
18:26<dasenjo>nop ... free internet near to my home .. :p
18:26<zboy417>Ryan52: I'm confused on how to set up a username and password for it
18:26<Ryan52>what does this give you: iwconfig wlan0
18:27<Ryan52>zboy417: I've never done anything fancy with it (more than access a share on a windows computer), so I can't help you there...
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18:28<dasenjo>uhmmm ... I can't remember exactly ... wifi is my only way to connect to the Internet .. but ifconfig does not show received or transmited packages, neither an address ..
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18:29<Ryan52>iwconfig should show an ap. if it doesn't then you need to set it by gettting the mac (of the wireless access point) from the iwlist output and setting it with 'iwconfig wlan0 ap mac_addr_here'
18:29<Ryan52>that's the main problem that I've had with wireless...
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18:31<m_101>ow ... can't manage to install the stuff with RAID soft ... doesn't matter, going to do the normal install then do the RAID after ^^
18:31<Ryan52>why not?
18:31<Ryan52>what's it saying?
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18:32<EmleyMoor>Is software RAID 6 supported by lenny?
18:32<dasenjo>according to http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi it is supposed that 2.6.24 should works better, cause it's native .. but now I'm using an ubuntu with 2.6.22 and an bit older iwl4965 and the dhcp connection works ..
18:32<Ryan52>if your using the lenny installer and it's not working, you should do an installation report and report a bug.
18:32<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: yes.
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18:32<m_101>I don't remember ... I'm reinstalling normal procedure
18:32<m_101>if I do this after install (saying sda1 has my data) :
18:32<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: it was supported in etch too
18:32<m_101>mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-disks=2 missing /dev/sda1
18:32<dasenjo>Ryan: thanks for your hint, I'm gonna compare the ifconfig outputs ..
18:32<EmleyMoor>I understand it can hammer the processor - I am, fortunately getting a good one
18:32<m_101>mdadm --add /dev/md1 /dev/sdb1
18:32<m_101>isn't it good?
18:33<dasenjo>and I'll put an eye on the ap ..
18:33<m_101>it would mirror sda1 to sdb1 no?
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18:33<Ryan52>m_101: it would get rid of all of your info
18:33<dasenjo>see you in few minutes ... I must reboot ...
18:33<Ryan52>m_101: and make a new array with the two drives
18:33<Ryan52>m_101: that's empty
18:33<m_101>mmm
18:33<m_101>ok then need to rsync like you showed ;)
18:33<Ryan52>yes, that would be the point of the rsync.
18:34<Ryan52>once you run mdadm to add a drive, everything that was on it is gone.
18:34<zboy417>Ryan52: I can't figure out how to get it to let me login (on another computer)
18:34<zboy417>how do i set up a username and password
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18:35<Ryan52>zboy417: I'm not a windows person (anymore). stop asking me :)
18:35<zboy417>Ryan52: not in windows, in debian
18:35<zboy417>in the samba.conf file
18:35<m_101>ok Ryan52 ^^
18:36<Ryan52>zboy417: but there's no reason to use samba without a windows computer
18:36<Ryan52>zboy417: and I don't have any. so I don't play with samba.
18:36<zboy417>good point
18:36<zboy417>anybody here know how to set up Samba :-P
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18:37<m_101>ok good, the soft RAID has been configured with the Debian Installer ^^
18:38<m_101>yeah ... nothing to say ... but Debian rox ... I've broked some installs but way to learn ^^
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18:42<zboy417>hey, i just noticed, why doesn't debian use the newest gnome?
18:42<Ryan52>which debian?
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18:42<Ryan52>2.22 is the newest.
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18:42<Ryan52>gnome:
18:42<Ryan52> Candidate: 1:2.22.2~4
18:43<zboy417>where do i find out what version of debian i'm running?
18:43<Ryan52>debian has 2.22
18:43<Ryan52>zboy417: cat /etc/debian_version
18:43<Ryan52>zboy417: or 'lsb_release -cs' is a way that works on all distros, so is better for scripting
18:43<zboy417>4.0 (etch)
18:43<zboy417>but it says my gnome is 2.14.3
18:43<Ryan52>that's stable
18:44<EmleyMoor>zboy417: etch has been out quite a long time
18:44<Ryan52>stable doesn't get new versions in debian
18:44<Ryan52>but debian testing and unstable do. and they have the new versions.
18:44<EmleyMoor>That would have been the most thoroughly tested gnome at the time - that's what stable means
18:44<m_101>nautilus is 2.20 though ;)
18:44<Ryan52>(testing doesn't anymore, but that's not the point)
18:44<zboy417>oh...ok...so how do i do the testing stuff :-P
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18:45<m_101>testing has 2.22 but not for all Gnome stuff
18:45<interbird>check /etc/apt/sources.list -- you are on etch (stable), lenny (testing) or sid (unstable)
18:45<Ryan52>zboy417: change /etc/apt/sources.list and aptitude dist-upgrade
18:45<m_101>monitor is 2.22 and nautilus is 2.20 for example
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18:47<zboy417>how do i change it Ryan52 :) (btw...i'm n00b at debian)
18:47<zboy417>(if you couldn't tell)
18:47<EmleyMoor>zboy417: Edit the file
18:47<Ryan52>zboy417: you edit it.
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18:47<Ryan52>zboy417: and change etch to lenny (or sid, if you want even newer)
18:47<Ryan52>zboy417: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
18:47<interbird>zboy417: you can go forward but you cannot go back
18:47<Ryan52>zboy417: err, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
18:47<EmleyMoor>Make sure you know what you're getting into
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18:48<qq>!etch >lenny
18:48<zboy417>emleymoor: this is an axillary computer so its not that important
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18:52<interbird>first apt-get update to get up-to-date with whatever you use, then edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace stable or etch for sid, then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade -- BUT kernel will be upgraded too so it's good to have knowledge how to boot in case of failure; there's no "sweets" in doing this, you must know what you are doing...
18:52<zboy417>interbird...i'm doing lenny not sid
18:52<zboy417>i'm not that brave :D
18:53<upsilon>I thought stable>unstable wasn't possible anyway
18:53<upsilon>directly
18:53<interbird>"hey, i just noticed, why doesn't debian use the newest gnome?" -- because you are doing Lenny...
18:54<Ryan52>upsilon: it is.
18:54<Ryan52>upsilon: at times testing is exactly the same as unstable.
18:54<Ryan52>or, it could be.
18:54<Ryan52>I doubt it ever is.
18:55<Ryan52>upsilon: things go directly from unstable to testing after 10 days
18:55<Ryan52>except for now, because of the freeze, but that's not the point...
18:55<upsilon>hm.
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18:56<Ryan52>upsilon: make sense? or do I just sound like a babbling idiot?
18:56<upsilon>yeah
18:57<upsilon>makes sense
18:57<Ryan52>good :)
18:57<upsilon>I just thought I read when I was going from etch>lenny that you have to go stable>testing>unstable.
18:59<qq>and ons in unstable, after some weeks of not upgading , we may update to testing ...
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19:02<zboy417>i'm at 60%
19:02<zboy417>:)
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19:08<EmleyMoor>SATA is usually hotpluggable if set correctly, isn't it?
19:08<morenita>hi, im trying to view the contents of a partition and i get this error: hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000 error
19:08<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: ya...theres only 1 way to find out!
19:08*Ryan52 accidently found out that his is
19:08<EmleyMoor>I've not even got the money to do my new machine yet
19:09<morenita>what do i have to do to make it work?
19:09<EmleyMoor>(I am expecting enough to build it four times over soon!)
19:09<Ryan52>morenita: use mount :)
19:10<EmleyMoor>Is there any documentation on using RAID 6 with Debian?
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19:10<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: I can help you
19:10<morenita>i'm trying to avoid it, any other automated way?
19:10<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: if you want to use the debian installer for it, you'll have to use a daily/weekly image.
19:11<EmleyMoor>Well, that's not going to be a problem
19:11<EmleyMoor>It's going to be a totally fresh machine anyway, except the TV card. I can't be sure the internal sound will be OK but if it isn't, I will reuse my old second sound card
19:12<EmleyMoor>Other than that, it's going to be all new
19:12<EmleyMoor>(DVD writer won't be new either - I have several spares I will use up first)
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19:14<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: any reason why you choose raid 6 instead of raid 10?
19:14<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: they'll give you the same amount of space.
19:14<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: but raid 10 doesn't have to calculate the parity, because it just uses mirroring and striping
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19:15<EmleyMoor>Ryan52: Toying with the idea of 10 - but 6 has a lower likelihood of failure
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19:16<Ryan52>raid10 can lose 2 drives too. as long as they're the right ones :)
19:16<Ryan52>oh, wait, nevermind.
19:16<Ryan52>I'm not sure what it can lose.
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19:16*Ryan52 just recently learned how linux's raid10 actually works
19:16<EmleyMoor>RAID 10 will fail if it loses both mirrors of the same stripe
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19:16<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: no. that's not how linux's raid 10 works.
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19:17<EmleyMoor>RAID 6 will work with any two down
19:17<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: linux's raid 10 is...strange...
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19:17<morenita>so, none knows?
19:17<Ryan52>can you mount it with mount?
19:18<morenita>yes
19:18<morenita>but i don't want to use mount every time
19:18<Ryan52>ya.
19:18<EmleyMoor>Furthermore, although both need 4 disks minimum, RAID 6 would work with any greater number. 10 needs an even number
19:18*Ryan52 hates GUIs
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19:18<[gloom]>hi there
19:18<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: no. it needs 2 or more.
19:18<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: odd numbers work too.
19:18<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: linux's raid10 is quite different than normal raid10
19:19<EmleyMoor>Is it? Could do with seeing some details
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19:19<[gloom]>I am using vpnc from the kde-network-manager GUI. I can't find the logs. Anyone knows where does vpnc write the logfile?
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19:19<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: wikipedia actually has something useful about it...
19:20<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Linux_MD_RAID_10
19:20<EmleyMoor>I'm looking now
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19:21*Ryan52 learned lots about linux's RAID10 when he added support for it to the debian installer...
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19:22<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... RAID 5 over RAID 5 (!)
19:23<Ryan52>heh
19:23<Ryan52>where did you see that?
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19:23<EmleyMoor>linux-raid.osdl.org
19:24<the-me>raid 10 is often used.
19:24<weasel>why not.
19:24<the-me>(in business)
19:25<zboy417>uh oh Ryan52...its stuck at (btw....i rebooted) Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...
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19:26<Ryan52>zboy417: wait for the error message...
19:27<zboy417>nvm...its continuining
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19:29<Ryan52>patience is a good thing :)
19:30<zboy417>Ryan52: There was an error loading the theme debian-moreblue "Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr /lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
19:30<zboy417>whew...my fingers are tired
19:31<Ryan52>whats trying to load it?
19:33<zboy417>it just poped up when i booted it
19:33<Ryan52>zboy417: try this:
19:33<Ryan52>cd /usr/lib/gtk-2.0
19:34<Ryan52>ln -s 2.10.0/ 2.4.0
19:34<Ryan52>and try again. it is a hack. a very bad hack. but it might work.
19:34<Ryan52>or it might make other errors...
19:35<zboy417>ok
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19:40<zboy417>nope...now i see the loading circle...and every like 2 seconds the screen flashes
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19:41<Ryan52>ya, didn't think that would work :)
19:41<zboy417>so now what do i have to do :-\
19:42<Ryan52>when it said 'these packages will not be upgraded' did you ignore it?
19:42<zboy417>kinda
19:42<Ryan52>that would be the problem.
19:43<zboy417>so what do i do
19:43<zboy417>reboot and select the other option
19:43<zboy417>(in the bootloader)
19:44<Ryan52>no.
19:44<Ryan52>just log in
19:44<zboy417>it won't let me
19:44<Ryan52>CTRL-ALT-F1
19:44<zboy417>ya
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19:44<zboy417>i just thought of that :-P
19:45<zboy417>root or normal user?
19:45<Ryan52>root
19:46<Ryan52>unless you really like the word sudo
19:46<zboy417>nah
19:46<zboy417>ok i'm in
19:46<zboy417>i sound like a secret agent :-P
19:46<Ryan52>aptitude dist-upgrade
19:46<Ryan52>heh
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19:46<zboy417>now what
19:47<zboy417>"Accept this solution?"
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19:47<zboy417>"Score is 447"
19:47<Ryan52>if it sounds like a good solution...
19:47<Ryan52>what is it gonna do
19:47<Ryan52>score is unimportant...
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19:48<zboy417>its removing firefox, libldap2, libpt-1.10.0, libpt-plugins-alsa, libpt-plugins-v41, and libsas12
19:48<zboy417>and installing libsas12-modules
19:48<peterS>probably not libsas12-modules, but libsasl2-modules
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19:49<zboy417>oh yeah :D
19:49<zboy417>so is that ok?
19:49<Ryan52>I don't think that's gonna help...
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19:49<Ryan52>is there anything that's it's not upgrading?
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19:52<zboy417>not that i can see Ryan52
19:53<Ryan52>*shrugs*
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19:54<zboy417>i did y twice
19:54<zboy417>and then it says
19:54<zboy417>361 packages upgraded
19:54<zboy417>213 newly installed
19:54<zboy417>87 to remove
19:54<zboy417>0 not upgraded
19:54<zboy417>need to get 56.0 MB/511 MB, after unpacking 413MB will be used
19:54<Ryan52>removing 87 packages could be bad...
19:54<Ryan52>depending on what they are...
19:55<zboy417>since nothings working now should i just do it?
19:55<Ryan52>oh, you haven't done it?
19:55<Ryan52>what did you do before?
19:55<Ryan52>ya, just do it.
19:56<Ryan52>unless you care about any of those 87 packages...
19:56<zboy417>i don't know what they are
19:56<Ryan52>then you probably don't care about them
19:56<zboy417>if worst comes to worse i'll just reinstall debian
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19:56<zboy417>its just a computer i play with
19:56<zboy417>(to learn Linux)
19:57<Ryan52>ya, just upgrade those. it'll probably help.
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19:59<zboy417>ok...its done
19:59<zboy417>current status: 18 broken, 369 upgrades
20:00<Ryan52>and those 18 would be?
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20:01<Ryan52>anything important like gdm or gnome or such?
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20:02<zboy417>can't tell
20:02<zboy417>yes
20:02<zboy417>w00t
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20:02<Ryan52>?
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20:02<zboy417>i did control+alt+f7
20:03<zboy417>and my Welcome, Username:
20:03<zboy417>looks normal now
20:03<philsf>anybody know how to configure fwlogwatch in order to use all the information available in the notify script?
20:03<Ryan52>good.
20:03<zboy417>but the theme is still messed up
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20:04<zboy417>and it won't let me open up the updates
20:04<zboy417>oh
20:04<zboy417>nvm
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20:05<zboy417>still not running right though
20:06<qq>zboy417: apt-get install --reinstall gnome-themes gnome-core
20:07<zboy417>dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
20:07<dpkg>zboy417: You are moron #2
20:07<Ryan52>heh
20:07<zboy417>i did that and then it says "to many errors, stopping"
20:07<zboy417>that's kinda funny
20:07<zboy417>:-P
20:07<Ryan52>dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
20:07<dpkg>Ryan52: You are moron #3
20:07<Ryan52>it really keeps track :)
20:08<grummund>hi, i have several lines in my user crontab, similar to this. i expect it to kill skype at a random time, but it keeps running, am i just unlucky?
20:08<grummund>*/5 23 * * * random -e 5 && killall -q skype
20:09<Ryan52>grummund: what happens if you run that mnaually?
20:09<Ryan52>grummund: just the killall part
20:09<Ryan52>grummund: and where's the user?
20:09<grummund>it kills skype as expected
20:09<Ryan52>oh
20:10<qq> skype is not DEBIAN package ,,,
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20:10<zboy417>Ryan52: should i restart?
20:10<grummund>yeah, but cron is ;-p
20:10<Ryan52>qq: but his problem isn't with the debian package...
20:10<zboy417>dpkg I am moron #2
20:10<dpkg>zboy417: I give up, what is it?
20:10<avu>grummund, you know that only runs at every 5 minutes during the hour from 23:00 to 00:00, right?
20:10<Ryan52>and random is and so is killall
20:10<zboy417>dpkg am i a moron
20:10<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zboy417
20:11<grummund>avu: yep, that was the idea
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20:11<zboy417>dpkg What's my computers problem
20:11<dpkg>zboy417: I don't know, could you explain it?
20:11<zboy417>sounds like you Ryan :D
20:11<grummund>if i run the command part 'random -e 5 && killall -q skype
20:11<Ryan52>dpkg I use windows
20:11<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, Ryan52
20:11<grummund>in a shell, it works as expected
20:11*Ryan52 expected it to be mean
20:12<grummund>why is dpkg being so rude to people?
20:12<zboy417>dpkg I'm typing this on a mac :D
20:12<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zboy417
20:12<zboy417>dpkg you are a moron
20:12<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
20:12<dmoerner>zboy417, if you want to have fun with the bot, do it in a query
20:12<zboy417>?
20:12<zboy417>oh
20:12<Ryan52>zboy417: /msg dpkg blah
20:12<avu>grummund, and you also know that there is no garanty that it will ever run, right?
20:12<avu>grummund, since it's, well, random
20:13<Ryan52>it's not random. it's seemingly random.
20:13<zboy417>dpkg what do you run on?
20:13<dpkg>zboy417: I don't know, could you explain it?
20:13<grummund>avu: i think it should run on average once every 25 minutes
20:13<avu>well it's random enough that it might not happen :)
20:13<Ryan52>ya :)
20:13<zboy417>dpkg Do you run on debian?
20:13*dpkg wonders why they should do you run on debian
20:14<weasel>stop abusing the bot.
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20:14<zboy417>ok...that made no sense
20:14<avu>grummund, on average over a few thousand runs, perhaps
20:14<grummund>hmmm, why a few thousand?
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20:14<avu>grummund, maybe more, true
20:15<avu>grummund, if it would average out much sooner, it wouldn't be random :)
20:15<Ryan52>grummund: and why are you trying to randomly kill skype? :)
20:15<zboy417>Ryan52 now its saying "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...
20:15<Ryan52>zboy417: wait for the errors
20:15<grummund>avu: well yes that's true, but after several hours skype is still not killed
20:16<avu>grummund, it's only running during one hour of the day
20:16*zboy417 is waiting patiently
20:16<Ryan52>déjá vu
20:16<avu>grummund, so you mean after a few days?
20:16<grummund>avu: i only showed you one line
20:17<grummund>foe each hour i set a different probabilty
20:17<avu>grummund, remind me again why anyone would want to do such a thing? :)
20:17<grummund>however, now i set them all to 5 and still never see it killed
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20:18<zboy417>Ryan52 "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
20:18<grummund>just to take my client offline at a random time as it gets late
20:18<zboy417>(initramfs)
20:18<Ryan52>zboy417: that's normal
20:18<Ryan52>zboy417: what the actual error
20:18<avu>grummund, have you checked the logs to see the jobs are actually running as expected? and maybe set MAILTO in the crontab to make sure output (if any) is sent somehwere you can see it?
20:18<zboy417>uh oh "ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
20:18<zboy417>that's bad
20:18<Ryan52>zboy417: it's obviosly still there...
20:18<zboy417>ya
20:19<zboy417>i'll reboot again
20:19<Ryan52>no
20:19<zboy417>oops
20:19<zboy417>to late
20:19<Ryan52>it won't help
20:19<zboy417>ok
20:19<Ryan52>interrupt grub
20:19<zboy417>how?
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20:19<Ryan52>press any key
20:19<Ryan52>I think
20:19<avu>grummund, also I have seldom found it wise to use shell scripting in crontabs, I usually write a script if I want to execute more than one command. easier to debug for one.
20:19<dmoerner>zboy417, did you either (1) change the filesystem of your / partition, (2) switch from a pata to a sata drive, (3) install a kernel.org kernel?
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20:19<the-me>Ryan52, where is the "any" key? :)
20:20<zboy417>hey the-me
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20:20<Ryan52>heh
20:20<zboy417>i was going to say that
20:20<grummund>jeez, that's the first time i ever needed /ignore on irc ;(
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20:20<zboy417>dmoerner i was upgrading from stable to testing
20:20<the-me>zboy417, heh I'm the greater simpsonsfan *fg*
20:20<zboy417>Ryan52 i'm at the grub window
20:20<grummund>avu: yeah, maybe i should write a script
20:20<Ryan52>grummund: why?
20:20<Ryan52>zboy417: and edit the the kernel command line, change the hda to sda. that's probably what happened.
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20:21<Ryan52>zboy417: if you had stayed in the shell you could've figured it out for sure, but if this doesn't work you'll get a shell...
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20:22<zboy417>btw...the hard drive is hda
20:22<zboy417>i'm booting now
20:22<Ryan52>and it's working?
20:22<zboy417>at the same line
20:22<zboy417>Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...
20:23<Ryan52>this time stay in the shell
20:23<Ryan52>and run 'dmesg | less' if it's available, and look for what your hard drive is called...
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20:25<zboy417>"/bin/sh: less: not found"
20:25<dmoerner>zboy417, use more instead
20:27<zboy417>oops
20:27<zboy417>i put /bin/sh | more
20:27<zboy417>how do i cancel
20:27<adpa>i installed debian it's fine, i install dmraid it changes initrd and it won't boot
20:27<adpa>i realize part of the issue.. system was thinking it was part of raid so i just zeroed out the drive
20:27<adpa>but is this a common solution?
20:28*zboy417 thuds head
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20:29<adpa>having slight problems getting fakeRAID to work right
20:29<adpa>i did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdg
20:29<zboy417>ok Ryan52: i pulled that up
20:29<zboy417>what am i looking for
20:30<Ryan52>a hard drive.
20:30<adpa>is this how it';s normally done?
20:30<adpa>Anyone?
20:30<qq>!fakeraid
20:30<dpkg>methinks fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq>
20:30<zboy417>i don't see a hard drive just bios, dmi, and acpi
20:30<Ryan52>scroll
20:30<philsf>adpa: why did you zero the drive like this?
20:31<philsf>adpa: and what exactly did you expect to accomplish by this?
20:31<adpa>philsf: how should i then?
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20:31<zboy417>Ryan52: hda: Samsung SV3063H, ATA DISK drive
20:31<adpa>philsf: nothing so far
20:31<adpa>i'm thinking i'll have to reinstall debian
20:32<philsf>adpa: I'm not even convinced you needed to do this, yet. What did you want exactly?
20:32<Ryan52>zboy417: and it's saying theres no root device on hda?
20:32<Ryan52>zboy417: that's...strange.
20:32<adpa>fix my fakeraid issue which is basically my system assuming it is part of raid
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20:32<philsf>adpa: what kind of fakeraid is this? motherboard, external card?
20:32<zboy417>Ryan52: that is my hard drive
20:33<adpa>philsf: Just a second
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20:35<gnittor>zboy417: try fdisk -l /dev/hda
20:35<gnittor>zboy417: it will list the partitions
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20:36<zboy417>fdisk: not found
20:36<gnittor>ls -l /dev/hda*
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20:39<zboy417>ls: /dev/hda: No such file or directory
20:39<qq>ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/
20:40<zboy417>now what Ryan52
20:40<zboy417>should i reboot...fix grub
20:40<zboy417>and then go from there
20:40<zboy417>because you had me change it from hda to sda
20:40<Ryan52>zboy417: no
20:40<Ryan52>zboy417: that doesn't affect the disks it sees
20:40<Ryan52>zboy417: that affects the disk it tries to use
20:40<Ryan52>zboy417: but it doesn't see hda* apparently
20:41<Ryan52>zboy417: so do what qq told you to
20:41<zboy417>Ryan52: am i supposed to change the disk and by-path?
20:42<interbird>zboy417: did not follow your question, if you are connecting a sata-drive it may be /dev/sda
20:42<Ryan52>no
20:42<zboy417>ls: /dev/disk/by-path: No such file or directory
20:42<qq>zboy417: ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/
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20:44<zboy417>same error
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20:44<interbird>fdisk -l
20:44<interbird>?
20:44<chattr>Ryan52: did zboy417 get to the point in booting where udev runs ? it doesn't look like he did
20:45<Ryan52>17:22 < zboy417> Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...
20:45<zboy417>that was like um....23 minutes ago
20:45<zboy417>wow
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20:46<interbird>zboy417: i'm just reading... you have ata disk and cannot be accesses? does it show in fdisk -l as root ?
20:46<piper>try ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
20:46<piper>try ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
20:46<zboy417>interbird...i can't get into root
20:47<zboy417>i'm not booted yet
20:47<zboy417>its stuck
20:47<zboy417>piper...i'm getting the same error
20:47<zboy417>"No Such file or directory"
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20:47<interbird>zboy417: you can always become root if you have control of the boot-process
20:48<interbird>zboy417: are you on alocal or on a remote box ?
20:48<zboy417>local
20:48<qq>zboy417: why not boot with a old kernel ?
20:48<zboy417>i don't have an old kernal
20:48<chattr>zboy417: do you have the old kernel on that box ? it may be that the pata to sata changes didn't change your /etc/fstab, and if you can edit fstab to change all the hda entries to sda entries
20:49<zboy417>i just installed this today
20:49<qq>zboy417: how that ?
20:49<zboy417>and then tried updating from stable to testing
20:49<piper>zboy417: what does ls /dev|grep '[s|h]d[a-z]' show ?
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20:49<interbird>then you can become root; even on the "hard way" by passing init=/bin/bash at GRUB-prompt, ok ?
20:49<zboy417>pipier...nothing came up
20:49<piper>hmm
20:50<qq>[02:49:15] <qq> zboy417: how that ?
20:50<zboy417>oops....i installed the debian today
20:50<piper>that should* show all the ATA and SCSI devices detected by your kernel
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20:51<Golfgeo>Hi all
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20:51<Ryan52>Golfgeo: hi
20:51<zboy417>so now what
20:51<piper>zboy417: any output from dmesg|grep '[s|h]d[a-z]'
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20:52<zboy417>yep
20:52<qq>zboy417: you have installed 4.0 , than passed to lenny , so you must have the etch kernel
20:52<zboy417>Kernal command line: root=/dev/hda1 ro
20:52<zboy417>hda: Samsung SV3063H, ATA Disk Drive
20:53<zboy417>hdc: HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR8160B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
20:53<piper>zboy417: don't post the whole thing here
20:53<zboy417>hdd: SAMSUNG CDRW/DVD SM-352B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
20:53<zboy417>oops
20:53<zboy417>thats all :)
20:53<zboy417>so....whats that all mean
20:54<piper>zboy417: well, the harddrive, etc is detected
20:54<interbird>zboy417: maybe scsi-translation is activated on your system which makes the grub-entry f**-up; your /dev/hda may be /dev/sda on boot; maybe alter the /boot/grub/menu.list file and change the booting device from hda to sda
20:55<nsadmin>there was ardour-gtk in etch, but it's missing from lenny... howcome?
20:55<zboy417>how do i edit when i'm not booted
20:55<zboy417>nano doesn't work
20:55<Ryan52>interbird: I had him just edit it in the grub meny without that working.
20:56<Ryan52>err, menu
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20:57<zboy417>interbird...how do i edit when i'm not booted
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20:57<Ryan52>zboy417: you already did when I had you change hda to sda in the grub thing
20:57<interbird>Ryan52: ok, just tuned in; but is his harddrive visible at fdisk -l or via /proc ?
20:58<Ryan52>interbird: fdisk isn't there. didn't look at /proc
20:58*Ryan52 doesn't even know how to get that info from proc
20:58<interbird>zboy417: by having "handy" a cdrom bootable linux cd like knoppix ?
20:58<zboy417>btw... "/proc: Permission denied"
20:58<piper>zboy417: maybe a live cd/dvd if nano etc don't work, but why does nano not work
20:58<nick_>What script in the /etc/init.d runs fsck on the root filesystem?
20:58<interbird>as root
20:58<shivraj>I just installed enlightenment for gnome and its much faster
20:58<zboy417>right now its in /bin/sh
20:59<Ryan52>piper: because he's in the initramfs
20:59<shivraj>I think e16 is done in C, while gnome 2.0 is using python and ruby ...
20:59<shivraj>what exactly will e17 be ? anyone know ?
20:59<interbird>i just killed my desktop to go cli; much faster !!
21:00<zboy417>kinda agervating knowing i cause some of this right now
21:00<chattr>zboy417: on that machine, grub only shows one kernel available to boot ? or more than one ?
21:00<nsadmin>any automatic way to find out what's happening with ardour and lenny?
21:00<zboy417>by neglecting what it was saying
21:00<Ryan52>nsadmin: what do you mean?
21:01<zboy417>there are two chattr but they both have the same number
21:01<chattr>k
21:01<nsadmin>I mean that ardour is missing from lenny but it's in etch
21:01<interbird>best guess is it will be worse
21:01<nsadmin>how would I find out why
21:02<zboy417>so now what :)
21:02<Ryan52>nsadmin: it got removed. look at closed bugs against release.debian.org (I think)
21:02<nsadmin>that sucks... what's good replacement that works with jack?
21:03<nsadmin>I guess I could try muse or rosegarden...
21:03<zboy417>i rebooted and am going to try the other option in grub
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21:03<interbird>zboy417: see if hardware exists, then if partition exists, then if the partition can be mounted; is that a good road to follow ?
21:03<Ryan52>nsadmin: it's in sid
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21:03<nsadmin>oh, so it hasn't leaked into lenny and problably not going to?
21:04<Ryan52>nsadmin: oh, you mean it's new?
21:04<Ryan52>nsadmin: ya, it won't.
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21:04<nsadmin>lenny is just frozen? or was it released?
21:04<Ryan52>nsadmin: frozen
21:04<Ryan52>nsadmin: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/ardour/news/20070805T223911Z.html
21:05<Ryan52>nsadmin: it's still in unstable though. you can get it from there.
21:05<nsadmin>good chance it'll work in lenny?
21:05<Ryan52>no
21:06<Ryan52>unless the maintainer thinks it should be and asks the release team to put it back in...
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21:06<zboy417>waiting for "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..."
21:06<qq>zboy417: root=/dev/sda1
21:07<nsadmin>nono, that wasn't my question... is there a good chance the sid ardour will -work- under lenny?
21:07<Ryan52>nsadmin: ya, it will.
21:07<nsadmin>that was my earlier, now answered, question :)
21:07<interbird>zboy417: you have the hda / sda problem i guess; try making a new entry in /boot/grub/menu.list, copy the pervious one and change hda for sda...
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21:08<zboy417>interbird...how do i edit when nano doesn't work
21:08<Ryan52>nsadmin: I should rephrase. If it works in unstable, then it will work in testing :)
21:09<nsadmin>I finally figured out who was hiliting me when I changed my irssi color scheme to white on black :)
21:09<interbird>zboy417: but you cannot boot this system at all, true? then boot from a linux cd and mount the partition the brub-menu is on
21:09<nsadmin>Ryan52: but that will start diverging once lenny is released?
21:09<zboy417>?
21:09<qq>zboy417: you may edit grun , by passing "e" at boot in grub
21:10<eightyeight>brub and grun... :)
21:10<qq>zboy417: root=/dev/sda1
21:10<eightyeight>grub is having a hard time in this channel
21:10<Ryan52>nsadmin: it will probably still be easily backportable.
21:10<Ryan52>nsadmin: like dget it, debuild it, dpkg -i it.
21:10<zboy417>qq i did that
21:10<piper>zboy417: also take a look at # groot=(hd0,0) & gfxmenu (hd0,0)/boot/message make sure it matches the partition that debian* is installed to
21:10<zboy417>nothing popped up
21:10<qq>no
21:10<nsadmin>what are some of the changes in toolchain and build systems that will start diverging
21:11<interbird>zboy417: then edit the /boot/grub/menu.list with nano, pico or whatever; I guess your initrd is altered that makes your ide-drive being seen as a scsi-drive
21:11<nsadmin>that is, what's planned in that way for lenny+11
21:11<nsadmin>+1
21:12<zboy417>interbird: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
21:12<zboy417>for gfxmenu
21:12<nsadmin>dget??
21:12<nsadmin>wat dat?
21:12<Ryan52>nsadmin: man dget
21:12<Ryan52>nsadmin: downloads source package
21:12<Ryan52>nsadmin: by giving it the URL to the .dsc
21:12<Ryan52>nsadmin: and it unpacks it too
21:12<zboy417>btw...the iso i did this from is the mini iso that downloads from the internet
21:13<interbird>zboy417: you give no context; are you in DOS or in an editor? I would like to help you. If you want that, go to #help-x
21:13<nsadmin>ahh, that's the same as apt-get source apckage
21:13<zboy417>interbird...right now it says (initramfs)
21:13<Ryan52>nsadmin: sort of
21:13<piper>zboy417: my bad, i don't think (or can't remember) debian (etch or lenny) uses gfxmenu
21:13<Ryan52>nsadmin: it doesn't need to be in your sources.list for dget
21:13<interbird>zboy417: i am on #help-x
21:14<nsadmin>how would it get if it doesn't know the src?
21:14<nsadmin>nm, I'm curious but lacking on time
21:14<Ryan52>nsadmin: dget http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/blah/blah/blah.dsc
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21:14<nsadmin>ohh
21:14<nsadmin>gotcha
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21:15<nsadmin>so you tell it where it is :)
21:15<Ryan52>exactly!
21:15<angasule>ouch, I'm not liking KSirc :-P
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21:15<Ryan52>angasule: irssi ftw!
21:15<nsadmin>that's sorta equivalent to downloading the 3 files separately by something like ftp
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21:16<Ryan52>nsadmin: and unpacking the orig.tar.gz and applying the .diff.gz
21:16<Ryan52>nsadmin: which is too much effort imho
21:16<angasule>Ryan52: I like konversation while using kde, but yeah, irssi is decent
21:16<nsadmin>if they do it that way once, at least they'll have an inkling what it looks like
21:17<angasule>I'm also not liking the default kde sounds in lenny, too many of them, I feel like I'm zero cool in hackers :P
21:17<Ryan52>nsadmin: huh?
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21:17<nsadmin>they'll get a clearer picture in their mind of what a source package is
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21:20<nsadmin>hence "what it looks like"
21:20<Ryan52>nsadmin: by type 'tar xzvf' and 'patch -p 0' (or 1, I forget which way dpkg does it...)?
21:23<nsadmin>yeah, they'd see it's three files one of which is the tarball that came from upstream, a patch and a description file that tells dpkg-source what to do to extract
21:24<Ryan52>but anybody who knows what dget does should already know about that.
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21:25<Ryan52>or who knows how to find the URL to give to dget.
21:25<nsadmin>I'd say the reason for dget (and dpkg-source) is to hide that
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21:25<nsadmin>you'd need a complementary tool which, given a package and having the sources.list, supplies the url
21:26<Ryan52>ya
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21:27<nsadmin>so you'd do dget $(apt-url ardour-gtk)
21:27<Ryan52>so the same as apt-get source
21:27<Ryan52>:|
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21:28<nsadmin>correct :)
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21:28<nsadmin>so it's a factored form
21:29<nsadmin>it answers the question "where can I download the source or the bins"
21:30<dondelelcaro>nsadmin: the reason for dget is because you're often working with sources for which you don't have a sources.list entry
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21:30<interbird>well, where they've allways "bin" :-)
21:31<dondelelcaro>or at least, I am; I also like to check the signature of the .dsc against the orig.tar.gz, and it's always easier to not have to think about whether a package is native or not
21:32<nsadmin>the dsc tells you that
21:32<Ryan52>nsadmin: dget looks at the dsc...
21:32<nsadmin>so the dsc tells dget that too :)
21:33<Ryan52>ya. dget just automates that stuff that people are tired of doing manually.
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21:39<nsadmin>hmm, I guess there could already be an apt-somethign that supplies the (maybe partial) url
21:40<angasule>:? I don't see a package linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64
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21:41<Ryan52>nsadmin: ya, something that takes a config file like dput does would be useful
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21:41<font-hater>apt, fonts
21:41<font-hater>dpkg, fonts
21:41<dpkg>well, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>.
21:42<font-hater>I'm amazed by how bad the fonts look in Debian: gnome terminal and esp. IceWeasel. Was the maintainer blind or are decent fonts considered evil M$ evil?
21:42<Ryan52>looks fine to me...
21:43<nsadmin>mvEvilBurger?
21:43<Ryan52>iceweasel, at least. I don't use gnome-terminal.
21:43<font-hater>Ryan52: do you use lenny?
21:43<Ryan52>sid
21:44<Ryan52>should be teh same
21:44<Ryan52>and anything that's in lenny I would've used at some point...
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21:44<font-hater>open www.cnn.com for example, look at "After 60 years, ..."
21:44<nsadmin>wow... that;s a LOT to use
21:44<font-hater>... it looks like it's made of blocks
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21:45*Ryan52 agrees, I guess
21:45<nsadmin>the swami from miami used to say "and if you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own"
21:45*Ryan52 is not picky about appearance though
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21:46<font-hater>Ryan52: cnn was not the extreme example, I saw web pages that look fine on XP, but look like every other letter is bold in IceWeasel/Lenny
21:47<Ryan52>w/e
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21:48<nsadmin>keep talking like that, and they'll make you head of debian font selection :)
21:48<font-hater>for those who care: http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/catastrafont.html
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21:58<fishbulb>Would anyone mind me asking a couple questions about running somethings on Ubuntu?
21:58<fishbulb>specifically packages I need to have to properly run some PHP stuff?
21:58<dondelelcaro>fishbulb: you really want to talk to #ubuntu on freenode
21:59<dondelelcaro>fishbulb: we only support Debian here
21:59<fishbulb>I got ya
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22:00<dondelelcaro>fishbulb: /server irc.freenode.net; then /join #ubuntu; will do what you want
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22:00<fishbulb>thanks
22:00<dondelelcaro>fishbulb: (substitute enter for ';', of course)
22:01<fishbulb>thank you very much
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22:12<font-hater>Btw, what's the correct way to pronounce ubuntu? You-BOON-two?
22:14<font-hater>It looks like I got Flash working in Lenny. Me and Debian might still get along...
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22:16<angasule>font-hater: ooboontoo, I guess
22:16<angasule>font-hater: it's a word from some african language, only english has all that funninness in the spelling :)
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22:18<randymyr>HI
22:18<font-hater>I heard people call it you-BOON-too
22:18<randymyr>what?... lol
22:19<font-hater>wut?
22:19<randymyr>wut wut?...
22:19<randymyr>BOON?
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22:21<font-hater>wut r u tryin 2 say
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22:35<guillaume>hi, is it possible to build truecrypt under debian unstable ? (untill now it fail on wx compiling (i have 2.4 2.6 and 2.8 version)
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22:38<guillaume>I try with truecrypt 6.0a source
22:39<qq>guillaume: try to join #debian-devel
22:40<guillaume>qq: ok
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22:41<kop>I've got 4 boxes I want to do a minimal debian install on, and then add a few packages, do a bit of configuation like I like it, and then go on to differentiate each box. What's the best way to proceed? I'm tempted to install one box, tar it up and copy it, but I wonder whether I'd miss something like the ssh keys that serve to differentiate the installs.
22:42<Ryan52>kop: preseeding or FAI
22:42<Ryan52>!preseed
22:42<dpkg>methinks preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed
22:42<Ryan52>!fai
22:42<dpkg>an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
22:43<Ryan52>the point of preseeding is that once you do a normal install it gives you a preseed file from that install that you can use on the others.
22:43<Ryan52>fai/tweaking the preseed would be to much of a PITA for only 4 boxes probably...
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22:49<blarson>kop: For the list of packages, you can use dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections.
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22:51<gnittor>font-hater: ubuntu - an ancient african word meaning "can't install debian" (from some guy's signature)
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22:52<Ryan52>heh
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22:58<kop>Ryan52, blarson : Maybe I'll try fai, or at least look into it. Thanks!
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22:59<diny>halloooooooooooooooooooooo
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23:02<diny>halo.....................!
23:04<kop>Ryan52, blarson : I do have a check sheet I use on all the debian installs I do, to get the packages I want setup like I like them. Maybe it's worth setting up that with fai.
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23:04<Ryan52>you can do that with preseeding
23:05<Ryan52>any reason why you decided to not use preseeding?
23:06<kop>Ryan52 : Yah. I'm clueless, tired, and can't read. (Actually, I need to look at that. I missed that response.)
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23:09<kop>Ryan52: I mess with /etc/skel and .bashrc to do things like turn off ls colors (iirc), setup default editors, etc. Seems to me that preseeding won't help with that, right?
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23:17<enouf>kop: there's also systemimager
23:17<kop>I think I'll do it the stupid way, manually. It's easy enough to cut and paste from my checksheet to do the tweaking I need. (If only I had more installs to do....;)
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23:18<kop>enouf: In etch?
23:18<enouf>kop: and bootcd (but, iirc, meant more for a livecd copy of your installation)
23:18<enouf>kop: should be, iirc
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23:18<enouf>!find system-imager etch
23:18<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
23:19<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'system-imager' returned no results.
23:19<enouf>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=systemimager&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
23:19<enouf>see that URL, there's no hyphen in it
23:20<kop>enouf: Thanks found it.
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23:21<angasule>alright, I just need fonts and I'm back in business
23:22<kop>enouf : I think I'd go with fai instead of systemimager, becuase systemimager wants identical hardware and that's not always the case.
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23:22<enouf>kop: note, i haven't used it, so check for bugs on the BTS and such ... ah.. i didn't realize that, and that doesn't sound correct - but ok
23:23<Mr_Giraffe>hmm
23:23<Mr_Giraffe>did any recent changes in GNOME make it more efficient?
23:23<Mr_Giraffe>it seems like my computer is running faster with it re-enabled than it did when i disabled it due to GNOME being slow
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23:24<enouf>what disabled?
23:25<enouf>er, disabled what?
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23:30<kop>enouf : That's what it says it's geared to in the intro or overview or whatever in the docs.
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23:33<enouf>kop: i see, i might d/l it and look at the docs
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23:34<kop>enouf; aptitude install systemimager-doc ; links file:///usr/share/doc/systemimager-doc/html/x73.html
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23:54<justin>hi, I have a new lenny install on a dell laptop. I have the settings for the mouse as fast as it can go but it still moves very slowly. How do I speed it up?
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