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00:12<thecondor>the lastest lenny doesn't work, someone have same problem?
00:12<Ryan52>lastest lenny doesn't work
00:12<Ryan52>could you be a little more vague?
00:14<Ryan52>and there's only 1 lenny.
00:14<Ryan52>if you mean the installer, there are many latest lenny installers.
00:15<Ryan52>theres beta 2, the weekly images, and the daily images.
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00:16<Ryan52>thecondor: what doesn't work?
00:16<Ryan52>thecondor: there are a _lot_ of things that might not be working.
00:16<Ryan52>thecondor: and all you said was 'lastest lenny'.
00:16<thecondor>bad instalation
00:16<Ryan52>which image did you use?
00:17<thecondor>this image
00:17<Ryan52>AFAIK there isn't anything wrong with it.
00:17<thecondor>do you installed?
00:17<Ryan52>I don't think I've tested it, though...
00:18<Ryan52>thecondor: what happened?
00:18<Ryan52>lots of things could be broken.
00:18<Ryan52>and you should do an installation report
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00:19<qq>thecondor: "this image " means 33 images
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00:21<thecondor>iso cd
00:21<qq> means 33 images
00:21<thecondor>for 2 times!
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00:24<qq>try this , is only 150 MB
00:24<thecondor>debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso 18-Aug-2008 12:37 4.4G, a try download 2 times and 2 time wrong!!
00:25<Ryan52>thecondor: so what happens?
00:25<Ryan52>note that "doesn't work" does not accurately describe the problem.
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00:25<Ryan52>nor does "bad instalation"
00:25<qq>may be a wrong dvd ,too
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00:26<thecondor>i dont think so
00:27<qq>have you tested the dvd ?
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00:37<nick>what package contains all of the gnu autostuff like autoconf automake autoheader and m4 and anything else that would be useful for building packages?
00:37<Ryan52>nick: autotools-dev, I think
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00:38<Ryan52>you should install build-essential too (it is a metapackage for the main things you need to build stuff)
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00:39<Ryan52>nick: oh, looks like that only has config.* . You need to install autoconf and automake and such.
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00:39<nick>I have that package already installed but it does not include the other stuff.
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00:40<keith>Etch4.0, AMD64. How do I get a minimised application to appear on the bottom panel?
00:40<nick>autotools-dev does not include autoconf or anything else I think it is libraries or something. Is there a way to make apt download and install the suggested and recamanded packages automatically when you install software?
00:41<Ryan52>keith: just a button to open it?
00:41<Ryan52>nick: aptitude does recommended automatically. suggested isn't a good idea.
00:41<justin>what package do I install to install macromedia into lenny?
00:42<Ryan52>justin: never heard of macromedia...other than the company which was bought by adobe.
00:42<Ryan52>but you can't install a company :P
00:42<Ryan52>justin: flashplugin-nonfree
00:43<justin>thanx ;)
00:43<Ryan52>justin: if you search for flash you'll find that...
00:43<keith>No. When I minimise a program(application) it does not appear on the bottom panel.(Or anywhere else) How do I get it to do that?
00:43<justin>i did but always find previous backports etc.
00:43<nick>I was using apt-get
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00:43<Ryan52>keith: oh.
00:44<Ryan52>nick: it has an option. look at the man page...
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00:45<Ryan52>keith: weird.
00:46<keith>Yes. That happened after somebody was fiddling with it. I was OK after installation.
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00:47<justin>all I find is flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
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00:48<justin>ah not for lenny/ got it
00:49<Ryan52>justin: you can get it from unstable
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00:49<justin>yea remembered that now.
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01:01<arudemanic>I have a quick question on apt-get
01:02<Ryan52>arudemanic: shoot
01:02<arudemanic>I have something, opsview-core that will not remove.
01:02<Ryan52>what's happening?
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01:03<Ryan52>can you pastebin the output at somewhere like ?
01:04<arudemanic>Basically I get the E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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01:06<Ryan52>there's a hackish way to fix it.
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01:06<arudemanic>I tried that way, and still no luck.
01:06<Ryan52>what way?
01:06<Ryan52>edit /etc/init.d/opsview and add exit 0 after the '#!/bin/bash'
01:06<Ryan52>then try 'aptitude purge opsview-core opsview-reports'
01:07<arudemanic>dpkg -L opsview-core
01:07<dpkg>No packages found matching opsview-core
01:08<arudemanic>Then remove the files manually. Then remove the *.postrm
01:08<Ryan52>oh, where did you get this package? I don't see it in any of the debians...
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01:08<arudemanic>Will try that now...hold on
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01:09<Ryan52>you should never remove the .postrm files...they might have something important in them.
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01:10<arudemanic>I was trying to get opsview, part of Nagios
01:10<Ryan52>but since this package isn't a debian package, I'm done helping you now...
01:11<arudemanic>That worked, Ryan52, Thanks!
01:11<Ryan52>your welcome.
01:12<arudemanic>And there are Debian packages for it.
01:12<Ryan52>really? where?
01:13<Ryan52>note that if you had to add something to your sources.list, it's not a Debian package.
01:13<Ryan52>by Debian package, I mean part of debian.
01:13<arudemanic>OK, my bad. Not part of Debian
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01:19<razorbeak>could anyone help me with connecting to a windows ad-hoc network? KNetworkManager can see it but I can't seem to connect.
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02:36<desrt>is there a plan for a docbook-xsl-ns package?
02:37<clint1986>what do you mean by "plan"?
02:37<desrt>or, can someone explain to me how to use update-xmlcatalog to install it for myself?
02:37<desrt>clint1986; docbook 5.0 came out a few days ago... i was wondering if debian would have the namespaced stylesheets soon...
02:39<clint1986>as a package?
02:39<clint1986>well, a few days is very new
02:39<clint1986>certainly wouldn't be in stable or testing
02:39<desrt>i'm not surprised that it doesn't exist yet
02:40<clint1986>the dockbook-xml package in sid (unstable) is at 4.5
02:41<desrt>the -xml package contains the schemas
02:41<desrt>which are easy enough to download and use directly
02:41<desrt>(in fact, with 5.0 they changed from DTD to RELAX NG schemas anyway...)
02:41<desrt>the problem is the XSL stylesheets... which are huge
02:41<desrt>that's the docbook-xsl package
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02:42<clint1986>it will hit debian eventually
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02:43<desrt>i wonder if anyone could explain to me how to use update-xmlcatalog to install my own in the meantime...
02:43<clint1986>depending on who maintains the package
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02:44<clint1986>it might be in experimental
02:44<desrt>how do i find out?
02:44<clint1986>but usually it is reserved for developers and the like
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02:44<clint1986>not really practical
02:44<desrt>probably i could get away with just manually installing the .deb as a one-off
02:44<desrt>it's fairly self-contained
02:45<clint1986>well, your libs might be very incompatible
02:45<desrt>it doesn't use libraries
02:45<desrt>it's a bunch of xml files
02:45<clint1986>then why do you even need the package?
02:45<clint1986>just grab them as they are
02:45<desrt>because in order to use it with xsltproc you need to install them into the system catalog
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02:45<desrt>and debian has its own special way of doing that
02:46<clint1986>i wouldn't go mixing repositories myself
02:46<clint1986>especially not with experimental packages
02:46<desrt>i think i have another idea for how to solve this problem
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02:52<dpkg>update is, like, apt-get update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgradeor before looking for stuff with apt-cache search
02:54<dpkg>from memory, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first
02:54<dpkg>Put "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>.
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02:55<enouf>mihau: hola
02:56<mihau>enouf: hiho;p
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02:56<blarson>!tell MadHag about selftell
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03:07<MadHag>anybody else had evolution break since recent updates?
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03:10<clint1986>desrt: how are you doing with your problem?
03:10<clint1986>not heard anything in a while
03:11<desrt>clint1986; pretty good. i worked around it with an evil hack
03:11<clint1986>evil sounds good :)
03:11<desrt>i'm building my thesis with a makefile...
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03:12<clint1986>might be worth posting your method on a forum or such
03:12<desrt>so i just wrote a makefile rule to download/extract the xsl-ns package and use it from the local directory
03:12<clint1986>might help others out
03:12<desrt>and 'make distclean' gets rid of it again :p
03:12<clint1986>was 4.5 not enough?
03:12<desrt>well. this method would be self-evident to anyone who might want to do it... it's just nasty :p
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03:13<desrt>the difference is that the docbook 5.0 format is namespaced. the 4.x isn't.
03:13<desrt>that's what the -ns is for
03:13<desrt>having the xmlns attributes present in the .xml buggers up the old stylesheets
03:13<MadHag>since upgrading this morning, if I go to the menu and then to the Debian folder my system freezes up and I have to reboot?
03:14<clint1986>upgrading to what?
03:14<clint1986>and what from?
03:15<MadHag>kernel upgraded with few ther files
03:15<MadHag>etch here
03:15<clint1986>when you go back to your old kernel, does it work?
03:15<MadHag>will try
03:16<clint1986>is it a custom kernel?
03:16<MadHag>standard as far as I know
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03:17<clint1986>i'm seeing a new kernel update for my etch system too
03:17<clint1986>must be pretty recent
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03:17<clint1986>when you say menu, what do you mean?
03:18<clint1986>the debian menu in gnome, kde or whatever?
03:18<tremor>etch was unstable?
03:18<clint1986>might just be a security update
03:18<MadHag>gnome yeah, move the cursor to the debian folders and it just locks up
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03:19<MadHag>whats the best way to revert to an older kernel?
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03:20<clint1986>that might not be the issue
03:20<clint1986>the "other" files might have broken the debian menu
03:20<clint1986>the kernel boots, you get into gnome
03:20<MadHag>is there a command to show the last 10 files installed?
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03:21<tremor>after the last update (kernel i think) last night login into the system was impossible (doesn't accept keybord input). some kind of incompatibility between 2.6.26-1 and acerhk-source, which worked before the update
03:21<cahoot>MadHag: can alsways look at /var/log/dpkg.log (and possibly others)
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03:22<clint1986>well, /var/log/dpkg.log might help
03:23<clint1986>yeah, like cahoot said :p
03:23<cahoot> /var/log/aptitude might be present too
03:23<clint1986>does everything else work?
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03:24<MadHag>yes all else seems ok
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03:37<MadHag>going to the debian folder, if you dont hear back from me its locked up again
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03:39<MadHag>locked up
03:39<MadHag>stay away from there for a while
03:40<MadHag>some programs are not starting either
03:40<MadHag>evolution, file browser etc
03:41<MadHag>linux's first virus :)
03:41<Ryan52>MadHag: first?
03:42*Ryan52 hates the 'linux has no viruses! If you use linux your safe!' rumor that everybody seems to believe
03:42<MadHag>I never get a virus in windows, just common sense
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03:43<MadHag>is there a recent update log?
03:43<cahoot>didn't you get a couple of answers on that alrready?
03:44*EmleyMoor intends to try to upgrade this machine to lenny today
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03:49*EmleyMoor is still not quite used to recent changes to tar
03:49<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: ?
03:50<EmleyMoor>You used to be able to do tar cvjlf - now it has to be tar --one-file-system -cvjf
03:51*Ryan52 only uses xzvf, xvf, xjvf, czvf, cvf, cjvf, tzvf, tvf, and tjvf
03:52<cahoot>isn't newer tar able to do its job regardless of j and z ?
03:53<EmleyMoor>cahoot: What do you consider to be "its job" in that case?
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03:55<cahoot>like tar cvf my.tar.bz2 dir/
03:56<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Haven't heard of that
03:57*EmleyMoor suspects it might not be beyond the bounds of possibility, but presumably it would still need --use-compress-program to use another compliant compression program on the fly
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04:09<compaq>Linux doesn't have virus', I have been running for five years and I have removed not a single virus, however, u have removed billions in just a single year on Windows. It is not a rumor, there are no virus problems on Linux systems
04:09<compaq>This virus business is a scam on Windows, like the shady automotive business, where you go for one repair and end up with a thousand
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04:11*vook ponders the pharmaceutical industry? "Let's create a new disorder, and then cure it!"
04:11<compaq>Ryan52, Not a single virus in five years of running Linux over here
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04:12<Ryan52>compaq: if you'd read the article:
04:12<Ryan52>The Linux operating system, Unix and other Unix-like computer operating systems are generally regarded as well-protected against computer viruses.[1] There have been successful attacks, however, on both Linux and Unix systems, the most notable perhaps being the Cuckoo's Egg attacks on Unix systems in the 1980s.
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04:12<Ryan52>not article...ummm....I cant' think right now.
04:12<compaq>They made friggin neosporin a prescription drug in Canada
04:12<cahoot>vook: that's not unheard of
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04:13<compaq>Linux vs Microsoft with respect to security, 0 viruses vs infinity viruses
04:13<Ryan52>compaq: that's great for you that you haven't got a virus. I have used windows for that long without getting a virus by being a smart user. It's harder to aviod viruses with windows, yes, but they both have viruses
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04:13<compaq>Ryan52, get outta here, go to windows channel
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04:13<cahoot>vook: in the sense that you manage to change criteria for what is cinsidered a state of disease that is supposed to motivate pharmaceutical intervention
04:14<Ryan52>compaq: that makes _no_ sense whatsoever
04:14<compaq>I use my Linux system free nilly, I go on all those virus sites and have no problems ever
04:14<Ryan52>that's because they are targetted at windows
04:14<compaq>I never worried, oh, better be smart now, everything I need is already in Linux user protocol
04:15<vook>cahoot: true indeed.
04:15<compaq>Nope, those viruses crash my system, but Linux shuts them down itself, all I have to do is restart firefox
04:15<compaq>And those viruses never install
04:15<Ryan52>compaq: ^^
04:16<compaq>Every single internet computer in the world running microsoft has viruses, MS installs them by default, thats the main reason they refuse to go open source
04:16<cahoot>Ryan52: for practical purposes there is a vast difference - no?
04:17<compaq>Linux is awesome, and there a million reason people run it, by the main reason I completely stopped running windows is SECURITY
04:17*Ryan52 stops participating in conversation
04:17<compaq>I've never run a MS System that didn't go unstable, I've never run a Linux system that went unstable
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04:18<Ryan52>compaq: I don't think that's *all* viruses though...
04:18<compaq>If I ran windows, it would be only for a device driver, like a printer or something
04:18*Ryan52 bought a new printer for that purpose
04:19<compaq>Ryan52, by default, what you think they are Saints, they code it into the OS, it is always running, they leave themselves tons of security holes, and when people figure them out, then they fix em, and include a few more
04:19*vook is happy to finally discover blackbox for windows - eases the pain of corporate laptop interface.
04:20<compaq>They are greedy company, very evil, and have no ones but their own interest in mind, if you wanna join their camp, and you are loyal, you are safe, otherwise you a in trouble
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04:20<Ryan52>"what you think they are Saints"?
04:20<vook>folks - we should all talk to the wall (that being #debian-offtopic)
04:21<vook>myself included
04:21<compaq>Anyway, the OS is so great, they offer nothing more than Linux does for FREE
04:21<EmleyMoor>Windows has one dubious advantage
04:22<compaq>I could spend $10,000 using proprietary to have the same software I have here
04:22<Ryan52>EmleyMoor: they charge money?
04:22<compaq>I got a very power chess engine
04:22<compaq>]MS company is crooked
04:22<Ryan52>I've had people tell me that didn't want to switch to linux because they didn't take it seriously because it was free :|
04:23<cahoot>they do breathe though?
04:23<compaq>It has always been free, Mac kernel is free too
04:23<EmleyMoor>The thing is, if you do find something wrong, and you have, or can find someone with, the knowhow, there is nothing to stop you fixing it yourself and contributing your fix back
04:24<EmleyMoor>I'm glad I took the plunge back in June 1999
04:24<compaq>MS bought Linux distro too, they own one
04:25*Ryan52 heard they used to use linux for their servers, when windows was too bad for them to use...apparently they think it got better :)
04:25<vook>opendarwin is dead. Am I missing something?
04:25<compaq>In big business, the infrastructure is primarily Linux servers, everywhere
04:26<compaq>MS software is all a copy of opensource anyway, they spend most of their time reading free code
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04:26<EmleyMoor>compaq: The trouble is, nobody knows which bits of code they used
04:26<compaq>IBM quit their hardware business, and now they just do Linux mostly
04:27<vook>compaq: much of that which you spew is inaccurate.
04:27<EmleyMoor>Even David, my partner who has a Windows box, sometimes sits at topdeck doing stuff on Debian
04:27<compaq>All their code is copied, they used every bit from start to finish, all they did themselves, was their logo, and theme music, and the packaging
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04:28<compaq>They ripped everyone off, they charges $800 for office, and lets face it, it sucks
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04:29<compaq>I used word, imported some charts, did some math symbols in their, and it was unstable
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04:30<compaq>My bro is MS loyalist, when I was working on school project I needed to graduate, all of a sudden, on my last day, after working for 1 year, my system would boot, and then he came to the rescue
04:30<Ryan52>why would you do something like that? (re: I used word) :)
04:30<compaq>would not boot***
04:31<compaq>My bro lights candles to Bill Gates and Bush
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04:32<compaq>He goes to the club, takes orders, serves his masters, give bjs. If you wanna live like that, use MS Windows, if you wanna be free, use Linux
04:33<EmleyMoor>I carry a torch for Microsoft...
04:33<EmleyMoor>... a blowtorch!
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04:34<compaq>everyone know how they do business, they were in court and bribed their way out, they are about domination, not about computer science
04:34<compaq>They are about hoarding the industry
04:34<Ryan52>well ya, bill gates is more of a bussiness man than a programmer.
04:35<EmleyMoor>He sounds a bit like the namesake of probably his best program
04:35<compaq>he's no business man, he a a gangser, a warlord, Jaba the Hut
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04:35<compaq>My friends works their in Seatle, I asked what he does, he does nothing, its all a big secret there, like working for CIA
04:36<compaq>For the job interview preparation, he was studying riddles, ok so you are in a room, there is 1 light switch, and a lamp, you must take the lamp, the switch, the ...
04:37<compaq>He had to turn in himself into a Jerbal
04:37<compaq>I don't like the Linux' idea too much better, the penquin, c'mon, but it is fine OS and I must pay respects
04:38<vook>what do you like compaq?
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04:47<compaq>we all going to be muslim one day anyway
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04:48<vook>compaq: this must go to an off-topic channel.
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04:49<vook>compaq: seriously - #debian-offtopic
04:49<compaq>vook, I didn't say anything
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04:50<vook>compaq: no :) I'm trying to encourage the conversation!
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05:13<srikar>how to rename my pendrive, the rename option when i right click never works!
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05:14<cahoot>IIRC it gets the volume label if there is one
05:16<cahoot>or make an fstab entry linking its uuid with a specified mountpoint?
05:17<srikar>no my point is , a rename option is given when i right click, But it doesnt work.So there might be a way to make that reme(in gui) to work. Any idea.
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05:17<Chewy>can anyone help me out? :X
05:17<Chewy>[Sat Aug 23 05:05:23 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch11 configured -- resuming normal operations
05:18<Chewy>[Sat Aug 23 05:12:41 2008] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
05:18<Chewy>idk why I get this.
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05:18<weasel>because somebody sent your apache a SIGTERM?
05:18<Chewy>disregard that
05:18<Chewy>i did
05:18<Chewy>i get the first part every startup
05:18<Chewy>and i cant access my site.
05:18<Chewy>but the httpd is up
05:20<Chewy>any ideas?
05:20<Chewy>I've been at it for hours
05:20<Chewy>it randomly died
05:22<Chewy>..guess not
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05:26<Chewy>how can I check the open ports on my PC?
05:26<Chewy>to make sure port 80 IS open
05:27<amphi>!open ports
05:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber>
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05:28<Chewy>tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 2488/apache2
05:28<Chewy>it says :::80
05:28<Chewy>not sure what that means
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05:32*EmleyMoor hasn't tested that he can still use his mobile phone to put his laptop online since upgrading to lenny
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05:35<EmleyMoor>I can - and without the kernel OOPS that used to occur
05:35<amphi>EmleyMoor: over bt?
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05:37<EmleyMoor>amphi: Over USB
05:38<amphi>EmleyMoor: I had it working over bt on my ancient phone a while back (only gprs), but I didn't try it for a good while
05:38<EmleyMoor>It's a feature I use - when I'm round at David's, or if I'm on a train without WiFi
05:38<EmleyMoor>(or at a campsite without WiFi)
05:39<amphi>yeah, I used it on trains a couple of times
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05:44*EmleyMoor has just fixed the "spoof Firefox" mode on his prefbar on the laptop, to spoof Firefox 3 rather than 2
05:44<EmleyMoor>My bank won't allow Iceweasel
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05:50<etio>does someone have the problem with iceweasel 3.0 on lenny?
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05:51<EmleyMoor>"The" problem, etio?
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05:51*EmleyMoor is not aware of any problems with it
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05:53<etio>is it so common, EmleyMoor?
05:54<EmleyMoor>etio: What do you mean?
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05:54<EmleyMoor>(Are you having a problem or are you referring to mine?)
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05:55<etio>i have a problem
05:55<EmleyMoor>etio: Which is?
05:55<etio>iceweasel or firefox 3.0 on lenny give me some problems
05:55<EmleyMoor>(Ms. Voyant does not appear to be on the channel)
05:55<EmleyMoor>What problems?
05:55<etio>for example i cannot search by the google box in top right
05:55<EmleyMoor>etio: It works for me
05:55<EmleyMoor>What happens when you try?
05:55<etio>sometimes some pages realods forever
05:56<EmleyMoor>What, it just sits there and noths?
05:56<etio>searching on forums other people have these problems
05:56<etio>maybe it depends from some plugins
05:56<etio>i have a lot installed
05:56<etio>quicktime, windows media player, vlc, and many others
05:57<etio>another problem is that i cannot go back to the older pages
05:57<EmleyMoor>As I say, I haven't seen any such problem
05:57<etio>how can i remove those plugins?
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06:00<les>You can disable them in firefox 3.0: Tools->Add-ons->Plugins
06:00<etio>it doesn't work
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06:01<robertD>I'm new to Debian and I still use windows. and now I had some problems with windows and can't boot in windows and I want to try to start in Safe mode, and pressing F8 doen't work. How to get windows boot menu?
06:01<etio>i disable them, but at reboot they are again active
06:02<EmleyMoor>etio: What about before reboot? Does it make any difference?
06:02<cahoot>robertD: you mean you used to be abled to choose win or debian bott and now soemthing has changed?
06:03<cahoot>disregard the spelling
06:03<les>You can also remove (or better move to another place) the plugins from /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
06:03<etio>now i'll try
06:03<robertD>cahoot: no, I still have grub boot loader, can chose windows. but my windows don't work and I want to start in Safe mode. How?
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06:04<cahoot>robertD: is this a new problem - i e you have been able to boot windows from grub before?
06:05<robertD>yes, like usual, after working fine in windows, yesterday morning it just comes to that intro screen and stops.
06:05<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... found an extension that does something slightly different to that expected in Iceweasel but still just as useful
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06:05<etio>nothing...the problem still alive
06:06<etio>plugins still appear in iceweasel
06:06<etio>despite i deleted them from directory
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06:06<cahoot>robertD: then I'd suspect some corruption on the windows side - no idea on how to figure out or remedy the underlying problem
06:07<etio>a thing i forgot to say is that in root mode it is perfect
06:07<EmleyMoor>etio: I would try putting them back in place, noting them down then removing them. If still no fix, you have a definite Iceweasel problem
06:07<robertD>cahoot: ok, but do you know how can I get that windows boot menu, that you get when pressing F8?
06:07<les>etio: have You tried "iceweasel -safe-mode"?
06:07<EmleyMoor>I'd also try removing the directory it gets your preferences from - oh, and try safe mode :-)
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06:08<EmleyMoor>Has a name been decided for lenny+1 yet?
06:08<etio>in safe mode some problems persist
06:08<EmleyMoor>"some" - which?
06:09<etio>i cannot go back trough pages for example
06:09<etio>why in root mode it works fine???
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06:09<EmleyMoor>It sounds like you have corrupt preferences
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06:10<cahoot>robertD: google turns up this (among others)
06:10<EmleyMoor>I'd move your .mozilla directory out of the way
06:10<les>etio, create a new profile: iceweasel -ProfileManager
06:10<les>or move the folder :)
06:10<EmleyMoor>Yes, les' idea will likely work
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06:11<dwr>I just want to try debian, is it safe to install system from lenny snapshot cd? or it's better to install etch, then update with lenny repos (I've heard lenny depends on many stuff from etch..)
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06:11<etio> seems working!
06:11<EmleyMoor>dwr: You can go straight to lenny
06:12<robertD>cahoot: thanks, it's seems that it can't be done.
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06:12<EmleyMoor>lenny is the testing vertsion at present
06:12<dwr>hm.. and if I gonna use sid then, I should just add sid to lenny repos list, or I could remove lenny repos entirely?
06:12<EmleyMoor>I have never actually done much with sid
06:13<etio>all perfect now
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06:13<etio>thanks a lor
06:13<EmleyMoor>I know lenny pretty well - one of my servers has been on it for a while but will be going to lenny+1
06:14<dwr>I'm running server on lenny, but for today I've had a problem with mercurial, not actual enough in lenny ;p
06:14<dwr>currenly deciding what to install at home on amd64 machine
06:15<EmleyMoor>I'm going amd64 for my brand new machine
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06:16<etio>guys, what about wicd on lenny?
06:16<dwr>but actually I think I'll try x86 version with bigmem kernel ;p
06:16<compaq>I hate to nit pick, but I would say I run Lenny on my server
06:16<etio>1.4 or 1.5, which do you suggest to me?
06:17<compaq>hehe, I thought they were all big mem kernels now, since ages ago
06:17<dwr>I have 4 gbs of ram
06:17<dwr>normal kernel see only 3250 mbs
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06:17<compaq>Yeah, and so if you wanna go past big mem and over 2gigs, then you gotta use 64 bit cpu
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06:34<fxiny>si si , :)
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06:37<etio>do you know an e-shop where to buy debian gadget
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07:04<compaq>what kind of debian gadget you looking for?
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07:08<compaq>hmmm, let me check their site, they must have links
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07:14<EmleyMoor>After an aptitude update, if aptitude dist-upgrade seems to be taking ages counting up before offering any dependency resolutions, is going into aptitude and fixing broken packages a good way forward?
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07:17<norbert_>hi all
07:18<norbert_>I saw a webcam for sale just now, a Trust webcam WB-5600R MPIX
07:18<norbert_>in the ad it doesn't say what chipset it has or things like that
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07:18<norbert_>I tried looking for info via Google and other websites, but I can't really tell whether Linux (Debian; the kernel) would support it
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07:19<superjet_busy>!tell norbert_ about gspca
07:20<norbert_>German Shorthaired Pointer Club of America? :)
07:21<norbert_>well, the cam isn't listed on their chart
07:21<EmleyMoor>No - another gspca
07:21<norbert_>my guess is that it's not supported
07:21<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it would be a guess that it might or might not be, then
07:21<norbert_>well, Linux has sub-optimal driver support for webcams
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07:22<norbert_>and I bought another webcam a couple of months ago that still doesn't work properly
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07:22<norbert_>so, I'm guessing it won't work and I won't buy it and hope I'm lucky ;-)
07:22<superjet_busy>norbert_: take a livecd to test it before buy it
07:23<superjet_busy>like sidux, which based on sid
07:23<dpkg>from memory, sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>).
07:23<norbert_>if I had a laptop I may be able to do that; it's a store without pc's
07:23<norbert_>never mind, I'm just not going to do it
07:24<norbert_>I'll look for another cam that's clearly on the list
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07:24<norbert_>that's the way to do it anyways, to look what's supported for the OS you want to use and then pick the hardware ;-)
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07:25<compaq>norbert_, are you gonna do online sex?
07:25<norbert_>is that relevant?
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07:26<mikele>Someone can help me?
07:26<norbert_>don't ask to ask, just ask
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07:27<mikele>ok xD
07:28<mikele>I would install Ubuntu on external Hard Disk, but i have a problem when i use this command "mount -tproc proc /target/proc"
07:28<norbert_>this is not #ubuntu
07:28<norbert_>I suggest you connect to and join #ubuntu
07:30<superjet_busy>mikele: mount -t proc proc /target/proc
07:30<superjet_busy>mikele: or mount -t proc /proc /target/proc
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07:31<norbert_>I liked my answer better
07:31<compaq>he just did a typo
07:31<mikele>ok superjet_busy....Wiki are wrong
07:32<abrotman>superjet_busy: he should ask #ubuntu
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07:33<compaq>hi abrotman how are you today?
07:33<compaq>good to hear, I am glad
07:33<superjet_busy>abrotman: :)
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07:34<cahoot>ok as in no more than bearable pain?
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07:34<compaq>abrotman helped me so many times
07:34<mikele>sorry i have a problem with IRC (is the first time i use it)... if I write #Ubuntu in the server's list, and connect, appear an error "hostname wrong"
07:34<compaq>he is a kind man
07:34<abrotman>mikele: you would use `/server` and then `/join #ubuntu`
07:37<mikele>ok thanks :-)
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07:38*EmleyMoor wonders if today's attempt to upgrade to lenny will work
07:38<cahoot>EmleyMoor: the foreplay certainly has been extended ;)
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07:45*fxiny found an old etch base install image . that will upgrade to lenny for sure
07:46<Maulkin>Err. Possibly :)
07:47<fxiny>i'll try it tomorrow
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07:48<fxiny>today i'm busy re-indexing my dvd collection the fxiny way : lazyness in a "tree -f /media/cdrom > index0001.txt" . grep rulez . gui sucks :)))
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07:50<tom_ppc>Newbie question: What is the easiest way to download a program? I tried aptitude but it has a text mode interface. Is there something with a proper gui?
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07:51<abrotman>tom_ppc: which program?
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07:51<tom_ppc>something that writes dvds
07:52<tom_ppc>i am looking at dvd+rw-tools (7.0-4)
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07:52<abrotman>tom_ppc: are you running X already? a lot of 'newbies' use synaptic .. but you can just `aptitude install dvd+rw-tools`
07:54<tom_ppc>ok i will type that in the root terminal
07:54<dpkg>A graphical user interface to add, remove and reinstall packages. It has dependency handling just like apt-get and integrates well with apt-get (and if you are using lenny then it behaves well with aptitude too). It can be found in the package `synaptic` and is not to be confused with the synaptics touchpad driver (ask me about <synaptics>).
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07:57<tom_ppc>it looks like i already have dvd+rw-tools
08:00<qinnuo>hi all, can anybody tell me what's the different between ubuntu and debian?
08:01<fxiny>and what you'll do after ?
08:02<fxiny>seen ? some questions are just impossible to answer :P
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08:04*egns piro a comer
08:04<tom_ppc>i found gnomebaker in the "start" (whats it called) menu, trying it out now, thanks
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08:08<Tuplad>I've installed a game, openarena, after I've started it my screen went black and then a couple of seconds later I got some errors in console, I rebooted the computer and now when I login I get some error and gnome wont load normally<
08:09<Tuplad>can I do something about it ?
08:10<Tuplad>I tried xkill but I cant get it to work
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08:17<Nemoder>Tuplad: what is the error?
08:18<Tuplad>Nemoder: oh crap... I already clicked 'ok' will have to reboot to get it
08:18<Tuplad>or can I get it back somehow without rebooting ?
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08:20<Nemoder>you can check your logfiles for errors but they might not be the same ones
08:20<Tuplad>Nemoder: how do I check the log files ?
08:20<haxi>Hello, I have a little problem, I'm using mp4ize who worked well before (on .flv videos), but now I get " [libxvid @ 0xb7be05b0]Invalid pixel aspect ratio 0/1 Video encoding failed"
08:20<Nemoder>Tuplad: browse to /var/log/
08:20<Tuplad>forgot to mention, I'm a newbie.
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08:21<cahoot>what defines newbie state?
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08:22<abrotman>cahoot: when they can't find google? :)
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08:23<Nemoder>cahoot: and not saving error messages and then asking why 'something went wrong'
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08:23<Tuplad>I'm pretty much clueless when it comes to linux
08:23<cahoot>just wondering since I seem to recognise people (at least nicks) since several months still claiming the newbie amendment
08:23<Tuplad>I can kill processes. that's pretty much it
08:24<Tuplad>the rest is just GUI stuff
08:24<Tuplad>Nemoder: I cant find anything special that I can help you with from the logs.
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08:25<Tuplad>Nemoder: shall I just reboot ?
08:25<Tuplad>or is there a way to restart X ?
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08:25<Nemoder>you can simply logout of x
08:26<Nemoder>but I don't even know what is giving you the error
08:26<Nemoder>if it was a console error on init you can run dmesg to see most of those
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08:27<Tuplad>Nemoder: it's like this: when I boot up, get I a gray screen with my cursos on it and a window with the error, I clicked it away by clicking 'OK'.
08:27<Tuplad>Nemoder: usually I get gdm, but this time it didnt even get that far
08:28<Tuplad>how do I logout from x ?
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08:28<Nemoder>system/logout or you can insta-kill X with ctrl-alt-backspace
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08:29<Tuplad>Nemoder: ctrl alt backspace did it :) now the error... have to translate it from Russian though
08:30<Tuplad>"Seems that the greeting program failed, will try to start other program"
08:30<Tuplad>maybe repair GDM somehow ?
08:30<Nemoder>not sure what the 'greeting' program is
08:30<Tuplad>welcoming program ? I think GDM
08:31<Tuplad>maybe change system language ?
08:31<Nemoder>language itself shouldn't be a problem unless it's not what you want
08:31<abrotman>Tuplad: did you install gdm ?
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08:32<Tuplad>abrotman: ofcourse
08:32<Tuplad>abrotman: I'm working with this installation for a couple of months now< I
08:32<Nemoder>if you have been shutting down your system without logging out properly it's possible your filesystem is corrupt
08:33<Tuplad>I installed a game and this is what happened
08:33<abrotman>then there should be a log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/gdm.log
08:33<abrotman>oh .. a game did it!
08:33<Tuplad>Nemoder: I did that for a couple of weeks
08:33<Tuplad>abrotman: yes. I started a game, screen turned black, then tty popped up with some errors. I rebooted and now I dont even get gdm
08:33<Nemoder>a game might crash X but it shouldn't mess up anything with X
08:34<Nemoder>er on restartr
08:34<abrotman>Tuplad: so look in the Xorg.0.log
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08:34<Tuplad>abrotman: I get a bunch of things... cant do anything with it
08:35<Tuplad>and it seems that it's nothing from what the game caused, just normal mouse and keyboard messages
08:35<Nemoder>what is the problem right now, gnome wont start at all?
08:35<abrotman>Tuplad: if you want help, you'll have to give us information .. like the contents of the Xorg.0.log for starters
08:35<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
08:35<Tuplad>abrotman: I'm working out of console at this moment, will try :)
08:36<abrotman>!pastebin pipe
08:36<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid.
08:37<Nemoder>Tuplad: what version of debian are you running?
08:37<Tuplad>Nemoder: lenny
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08:38<Nemoder>what videocard do you have?
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08:38<abrotman>Tuplad: nothing there
08:39<Tuplad>Nemoder: some thrash... default video card that came with the motherboard, computer is a bit old. my ati 9250 wouldn't work.
08:39<Nemoder>openarena is based on the quake3 engine, it probably needs a better video card to run
08:39<Tuplad>abrotman: oh excuse me, forgot -i
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08:39<Tuplad>Nemoder: indeed... but I thought I might try
08:40<abrotman>still nothing there
08:40<abrotman>no idea why yours didn't work .. that one does
08:40<Tuplad>oh :)
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08:42<Nemoder>Tuplad: besides the game what is not working correctly?
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08:44<Nemoder>does gnome fail to start?
08:45<Tuplad>Nemoder: I cant even get to gnome
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08:45<Tuplad>Nemoder: Im using irssi through tty now
08:45<Nemoder>oh ok
08:45<Tuplad>Nemoder: cant get to gdm either
08:46<abrotman>gdm is failing to start
08:46<Tuplad>Nemoder: and the error that I'm getting ... if I click 'ok' the screen just goes black and I get the same error again
08:46<Tuplad>abrotman: looks like it
08:46<Nemoder>Tuplad: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
08:46<abrotman>Tuplad: anything suspicious in /var/log/gdm/:0.log ?
08:47<spector>I'm having issue using a bcm4310 USB wireless card, can someone help me?
08:47<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed in 2.6.26.
08:48<spector>bcm43xx do not work with USB card
08:48<spector>as you can read =)
08:52<Nemoder>Tuplad: you could try reinstalling gdm, might not help but shouldn't hurt: apt-get install gdm --reinstall
08:53<Tuplad>roger that
08:53<Tuplad>now the F7 tty doesnt work, the graphical one
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08:56<Nemoder>if it is indeed a graphics hardware problem you might try turning the machine off completely
08:56<Nemoder>then restarting
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09:33<Tuplad>I'll try turning it off
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09:35<angasule>uh, why do I have KPowerSave start up when I didn't choose to install laptop junk? :/
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09:38<Tuplad>nope, no luch
09:38<Tuplad>I get a slight view of GDM starting and then the screen turns grey with black dots and I get the same error.
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09:41<Tuplad>I dont think it's a hardware error though.
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09:43<stevecotton>Tuplad - grey with black dots as in a regular background pattern, or with the dots randomly placed?
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09:45<Tuplad>stevecotton: regular bg pattern
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09:45<Tuplad>stevecotton: Im in X, but it looks like a fail safe X
09:46<Tuplad>stevecotton: the error is something like: "the greeting program failed to start, will try to start an other one" if I click ok, screen goes black and then returns with the same error.
09:46<Tuplad>stevecotton: if you wasnt following the issue from the start: I installed a game, Open Arena, started it, it crashed and led me to tty console, I rebooted and now this happens.
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09:51<MadHag>is there a command to change the hostname?
09:51<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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09:56<stevecotton>Tuplad - no idea if it's relevant, but if you've updated recently someone's just logged a bug about GTK-based stuff segfaulting on startup.
09:57<Tuplad>stevecotton: mmm... I did update today yes, right before I installed the game
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10:01<Tuplad>stevecotton: doesnt look like something I'm experiencing
10:01<Tuplad>stevecotton: I cant even login into gnome at all because I get an error before GDM is loaded...
10:01<Tuplad>stevecotton: working through irssi at this moment from console
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10:06<stevecotton>Tuplad: I think it could be that error. "the greeting program failed to start" vs "The greeting window is written using the GNOME libraries and hence looks like a GNOME application- even to the extent of supporting themes!"
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10:07<interbird>maybe rename /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to gdm.conf.bad and then dpkg --purge gdm and then apt-get install gdm ?
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10:19<Nemoder>Tuplad: see if you can run X with the startx command
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10:20<yogesh>how can we setup buildd for non-free packges
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10:34<interbird>Tuplad: and if Nemoder's suggestion works you could try the command gnome-session, if gnome starts the problem is likely to be in gdm
10:34<EmleyMoor>I've got some packages which have failed to configure properly - how do I put them right? (upgrade from etch to lenny, 14 packages need attention)
10:35<Nemoder>generally you can try dpkg-reconfigure <package>
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10:36<EmleyMoor>broken or not fully installed (in the case of the first one I tried)
10:36<Nemoder>what are the errors you get when updating?
10:37<interbird>EmleyMoor: maybe apt-get -f works, do a man apt-get to see the options
10:37<EmleyMoor>They zing by too fast - sorry
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10:38<Nemoder>you can save them to a file by adding &>file.txt to the end
10:38<yogesh>how can we setup buildd for non-free packges
10:38<EmleyMoor>interbird: And maybe it doesn't... in fact it doesn't
10:38<fxiny>EmleyMoor: dpkg --configure -a
10:41<EmleyMoor>Ah - this is a bit better - I can try fixing stuff at my own pace now
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10:44<justin>is there a package for ipw2100 wireless module for lenny?
10:45<gsimmons>justin: No. The packages were removed as there's no longer a requirement for out-of-tree ipw2100 modules. Just use the ipw2100 module as supplied within the kernel image.
10:46<Tuplad>Nemoder: cant startx
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10:46<Nemoder>Tuplad: what happens?
10:46<Tuplad>Nemoder: says it cannot open display because one is busy
10:47<Tuplad>Nemoder: the one where I get an error is busy
10:47<Nemoder>hmm so it never closed properly
10:47<Tuplad>might be
10:47<Nemoder>Tuplad: try /etc/init.d/gdm stop
10:48<Nemoder>then startx
10:48<EmleyMoor>All down to exim config it seems
10:48<EmleyMoor>Anyway, time for me to go from here
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10:48<Tuplad>fatal server error: server is already active for 0
10:49<Nemoder>killall Xorg -9
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10:51<Tuplad>now THAT's gangsta!
10:51<Guest3181>In one of my old computer I used to use this font : -windows-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* . However I'm switching to a new coöputer and I forgot where/how to install this font... anyone can help please ? :-)
10:51<Tuplad>I'm in gnome
10:52<Nemoder>aha, so the problem really is in gdm then
10:52<Tuplad>Nemoder: seems like it
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10:52<Nemoder>Tuplad: I would try what interbird said and purge and reinstall gdm
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10:53<Tuplad>Nemoder: cant run gnome-session - Gtk-WARNING ***: Cannot open display:
10:54<pierreN>anyone may help me please ? :-)
10:55<interbird>Tuplad: do xinit and then gnome-session
10:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:55<pierreN>Nemoder: I already asked :-) : In one of my old computer I used to use this font : -windows-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* . However I'm switching to a new coöputer and I forgot where/how to install this font... anyone can help please ? :-)
10:57<Nemoder>I don't know about system fonts, but many X apps will read .ttf files if they are placed in your ~/.fonts/ directory
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10:58<Tuplad>Nemoder: right, that works
10:59<interbird>Tuplad: or try xinit -- :2 and enter gnome-session in the white command-promt; if it runs gnome seems to be ok and gdm may be the problem
10:59<Tuplad>Nemoder: but if I purge gdm, it takes gnome-desktop-environment with it... how can I purge it the right way?
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10:59<interbird>Tuplad: ctrl-alt-backspace hard-kills the session
11:00<interbird>--force ?
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11:00<dynasource>any eaccelator experts?
11:01<interbird>Tuplad: dpkg --force-help
11:01<pierreN>Nemoder: hum i'm trying
11:01<dynasource>who is a putty expert?
11:01<Nemoder>Tuplad: I believe gnome-desktop-environment is a meta package that depends on other packages, I don't think removing it will hurt
11:02<Nemoder>but you can always reinstall it afterwards
11:02<Tuplad>forgot the purge command :$
11:03<dynasource>can anybody help me with installing eaccelerator on my fresh debian 4 install, I am new to putty...and my msdos knowledge is nice...but not enough
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11:03<Nemoder>Tuplad: apt-get purge gdm
11:04<interbird>Tuplad: and be sure /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is gone otherwise the new install will not touch it
11:04<cahoot>dynasource: aptitude search eaccelerator retruns anything?
11:05<Tuplad>interbird: purged it, /etc/gdm folder is gone :)
11:05<cahoot>dynasource: keep it in channel please
11:06<dynasource>ehm ok.
11:06<dynasource>I am trying to install the thing, and I thought I was far
11:06<interbird>ok, now try an apt-get install gdm -- you can run it from the command-promt to see if gdm works, you don't have to reboot for that
11:06<cahoot>dynasource: how do you install?
11:06<dynasource>but I get error with the the version is not compiled for my version of DEBIAN 2.6.2
11:06<dynasource>putty, ssh
11:07<cahoot>dynasource: you use aptitude or apt-get or what method?
11:07<dynasource>This build of "eAccelerator" was compiled for PHP version 5.2.0-8+etch11. Rebuild it for your PHP version (5.2.6) or download precompiled binaries.
11:07<dynasource>I did it manually
11:07<cahoot>dynasource: aptitude search eaccelerator returns no deb?
11:08<dynasource>i used this manual
11:08<dynasource>i have to put into putty this : aptitude search eaccelerator
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11:08<cahoot>dynasource: the point I'm trying to get to is: use debian packages
11:08<gsimmons>cahoot: There are ITPs lodged for it. Seems to be encumbered by licensing issues.
11:08<cahoot>I see
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11:09<dynasource>i have to find a debian package of eAccelerator?
11:09<cahoot>dynasource: if possible, else you'll have to resort to ',manual install'
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11:10<dynasource>ok..but does phpize say anything to you?
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11:11<cahoot>dynasource: I've installed eaccelerator on other debian systems, the instructions in the src have always turned out fine
11:11<dynasource>ok...I respect you haha, but...that doesnt help me further ;)
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11:12<dynasource>maybe you can pull the trick for me ?
11:12<cahoot>dynasource: the intended msg was - follow the instructions in the eaccelerator src pck you download
11:13<dynasource>ok...I will do that than.
11:13<dynasource>thanx anyways
11:13<cahoot>those instructions are surely more relevant than whatever an ircchat can offer
11:14<dynasource>lets see what i am capable of ... )
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11:15<dynasource>if i already installed the thing, but not correctly...should i deinstall it ?
11:16<cahoot>if at all possible
11:16<dynasource>i have a map like this: /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs
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11:20<cahoot>looks exactly like it does here
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11:28<emc>anyone knnow where to get broadcom 1394 driver for debian ?????
11:29<dmoerner>emc, please pastebin lspci -nn
11:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:33<emc>ok ile have to reboot and stuff back in a bit
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11:40<dynasource>i did everything the readme told me
11:40<dynasource>i untarred a new version
11:40<dynasource>i did a make clean before phpize
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11:41<dynasource>still same problem
11:41<cahoot>no complaints during the buildprocess?
11:43<dynasource>compiling seems to work ok
11:43<dynasource>lets do it again
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11:44<cahoot>dynasource: do you have any clue where the downloaded precompiled version did get installed?
11:45<dynasource>ok...lets do it step by step again....I deleted all the dirs
11:45<dynasource>I unpacked the tar.bz2 to ea/eaccelerator-
11:45<dynasource>i go to ea/eaccelerator-
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11:46<dynasource>readme says...step1: compiling
11:46<dynasource>do this :export PHP_PREFIX="/usr"
11:47<dynasource> faq says if erros like mine, do before phpize a ' make clean'
11:47<dynasource>I get this: find . -name \*.lo -o -name \*.o | xargs rm -f
11:47<dynasource>find . -name \*.la -o -name \*.a | xargs rm -f
11:47<dynasource>find . -name \*.so | xargs rm -f
11:47<dynasource>find . -name .libs -a -type d|xargs rm -rf
11:47<dynasource>rm -f modules/* libs/*
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11:48<dynasource>i get this rm -f modules/* libs/*
11:48<dynasource>no I do this: $PHP_PREFIX/bin/phpize
11:49<dmoerner>dynasource, do you want to just pastebin the entire process as it showed in a terminal?
11:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:50<dynasource>ok good idea
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11:52<emc>i unable to past my lspci because its on a diffent os on a partition and i cannot mount my windows os partition
11:52<emc>but what info do you need outta the lspci
11:53<emc>i took a good look to try and remember what i saw
11:53<dmoerner>emc, i want the line from the broadcom device controller so i know what to search for wrt to drivers
11:53<dmoerner>s/wrt/with regard to/ sorry it's early
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11:54<emc>is there and way i can get the iinfo from windows that you need
11:55<interbird>emc: you could boot this box with knoppix live-cd, lspci to an usb-stick and paste that on #flood here
11:55<dmoerner>emc, "broadcom 1394" is very very very vague. i have no idea how to use windows. i just need more information. what does it even handle?
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11:55<emc>ok i got a live boot cd and it lets me access my hdd
11:56<emc>i could past to a tex and the in here
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11:56<dynasource>hi back again
11:56<emc>its wirless card
11:56<interbird>1394 is firewire
11:56<emc>a mini pci wifi card
11:57<dynasource>the log is over here
11:57<nadav>Hi, how do I know what is my current colorcheme in VIM ?
11:57<emc>come stock in dell inspiron laptops
11:57<interbird>true, not firewire
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11:58<dynasource>@cahoot: do you see the log
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11:59<dmoerner>emc, that would be a 4306 probably, but the rev # is important.
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12:00<emc>i dunno it says is a broadcom 1395 pci mini card
12:00<interbird>emc: broadcom wifi might require dirty-tricks like ndis-wrapper, maybe this site is of some help for you:
12:00<emc>dam i was unable to get ndis working for it
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12:00<emc>im a lynux NEWB
12:01<interbird>lynux ? is that a new variant ? :-)
12:02<dmoerner>emc, ndiswrapper should work.
12:02<dynasource>hello, can anybody help me with my eAccelerator installation?
12:02<dynasource>i have the installation log ready :|
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12:04<dmoerner>dynasource, hm strange error can't help you there sorry
12:04<interbird>dynasource: This build of "eAccelerator" was compiled for PHP version 5.2.0-8+etch11. Rebuild it for your PHP version (5.2.6) -- is your php-dev up2date ?
12:04<dynasource>I do not know interbird..
12:05<emc>would be easyer if i could get online and read as i do it lol
12:05<dynasource>how do i do that?
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12:06<interbird>dynasource: dpkg --list | grep php | grep dev will list your php-dev files; if they are 5.2.x and the source you are compiling is for 5.2.6 then you maybe have to get the 5.2.6 dev stuff...
12:06<dynasource>sorry for my stupid question
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12:07<dynasource>ii php5-dev 5.2.0-8+etch11 Files for PHP5 module development
12:08<emc>ok well ile try that out that fo the help guyz
12:09<interbird>dynasource: as the build-error states it needs the 5.2.6 php-dev stuff...
12:09<dynasource>ok...thus? what should I do...
12:09<dynasource>how do I update php-dev
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12:10<dynasource>this is the latest eaccelerator package... :|
12:11<interbird>dynasource: with due respect, but if you are compiling a program from source you should know how to get the required development environment; it is not and easy thing to guide you through it
12:11<dynasource>ok, I respect that..yesterday I got a dedicated server preinstalled.
12:12<interbird>dynasource: what source are you using? from the internet or an apt-get source ?
12:12<dynasource>and the only thing i need for my new mediawiki installation is eaccelerator
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12:13<interbird>the only thing i need is a women that loves me for who i am; we all have our wishes :-)
12:14<dynasource>i think i deserve eaccelerator...i want matter how ;) they tell me it is fast..i want to go fast
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12:16*fxiny loves Rachael , pretty bot
12:16<fxiny>interbird: get your own Rachael :P
12:17<interbird>if you are able to grab and compile the source for eacc.. then you are also able to grab the sources of php-dev 5.2.6 and compile them and use them to compile this thingy you deserve
12:17<dynasource>sounds nice..
12:18<dynasource>how do i grab the sources of php-dev 5.2.6
12:18<interbird>fxiny: you mean the poster or the real 3D version :P
12:18<fxiny>interbird: the blade runner one ;)
12:18<interbird>poster thus... :-)
12:19<dynasource>interbird...I respect your knowledge and your love for rachael
12:19<dynasource>please help me with my chick eAccelerator
12:20<dynasource>i need the command for getting the source of php-dev 5.2.6
12:20<interbird>dynasource: same way you fond the sources of eacc... ?
12:20<dynasource>there is no commmand in putty?
12:21<interbird>putty is a remote-login/connection program -- google php 5.2.6 ??
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12:22<interbird>dynasource: fxiny likes rachael, i like Connie 3D :-)
12:22<dynasource>show me
12:22<fxiny>us :)
12:23<interbird>connie or the source ?
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12:24<dynasource>i have the source
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12:25<dynasource>i have the source unpacked
12:25<dynasource>how can i get my baby updated?
12:25<interbird>what source did you unpack ?
12:26<dynasource>~/bou/php-5.2.6# dir
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12:27<interbird>ok, do a ./configure --help > configure.options to get it so you can read the options any time you want
12:28<dynasource>i did: ./configure --help > configure.options
12:29<dynasource>whatever that is ;)
12:29<interbird>now make an /opt2 as root; and use --prefix for the build of php-dev 5.2.6 so it will install in /opt2
12:30<interbird>dynasource: if you don't know how to configure or compile i'm wasting time...
12:30<dynasource>i am sorry interbird.
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12:31<interbird>no offence meant, but if your question is "how can i tune my engine" without knowing what drives it, then i have to type a lot...
12:32<interbird>and connie is waiting :-)
12:32<dynasource>i do not know how easy it is to update
12:32<dynasource>it is the first time for me with linux and SSH...
12:32<dynasource>if you say it is difficult, I should leave it...
12:33<interbird>first time and then compiling already is the same as having sex at too young an age
12:33<dynasource>i hoped the update to be easy, such as downloading with wget and unzipping with -tar
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12:34<dynasource>well, I am a little kid who want a big addon for his train
12:35<interbird>only one solution: grow up :-)
12:35<dynasource>if that means sex in return (with no relative) I am willing to grow up immediately
12:36<dynasource> isnt there a command like update?
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12:37<interbird>you mean a command like halt ?
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12:38<interbird>what are you running? sarge? lenny? sid?
12:38<dynasource>i really do not know what you are telling
12:39<dynasource>sarge? lenny? it is new for me
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12:40<interbird>so you download sources from the internet and try to compile it on a system you don't know what it's name is ?
12:40<dynasource>thats his name
12:40<interbird>but she comes in versions; like rachael and connie
12:41<dynasource>but if she is not listening to me...I will give her my own name
12:41<interbird>she won't listen :-)
12:41<dynasource>like 'evilthing'
12:42<interbird>why not "lovelything" ?
12:42<dynasource>no...she is a pain in the ass
12:42<dynasource>she is not compiling...the bitch
12:43<interbird>why not dump her then?
12:44<dynasource>that would be too easy, I bought her yesterday ;)
12:44<interbird>how much did you pay ?
12:44<dynasource>how much time would it cost you to give her something nice.
12:45<dynasource>well...200 euro every 3 months
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12:45<interbird>time is free
12:45<dynasource>take you
12:45<dynasource>forgive me my english
12:46<interbird>we are poluting this channel now -- wonder i have not been kicked yet...
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12:48<keehun>What is the best combination of IRC & Services to be set up on Debian (etch)? Opinions and insights are welcome
12:49<interbird>some like xchat, others like chatzilla; it's mostly a matter of taste i guess...
12:50<keehun>Well, server
12:50<fxiny>dancer ?
12:50<interbird>sorry; for irc-services i don't know...
12:50<keehun>IRC Server & Services (Nickserv, oper, chan, etc)
12:50<keehun>fxiny: Dancer?
12:51<fxiny>keehun: yes : apt-cache search dancer
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12:52<dynasource>he interbird
12:52<keehun>Ok, I will give it a look, thanks fxiny
12:52<dynasource>i tried a version below...
12:52<dynasource>any now it worked!
12:52<fxiny>keehun: np
12:52<interbird>sure, i thought you wanted this specific version...
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12:53<dynasource> ;) no...i want a version that works
12:53<dynasource>nothing more
12:53<keehun>fxiny: Does dancer have services built in? if so that'd be awesome
12:53<keehun>fxiny: It somewhat looks like it
12:53<fxiny>keehun: apt-cache show dancer-services
12:54<keehun>ah thanks.
12:55<keehun>and I'm wondering
12:55<keehun>I had UnrealIRCd installed in /home/ircd/unreal/
12:55<keehun>Can I delete that and expect it to be removed fully from the system?
12:55<keehun>Or is there a apt-uninstall or something like that
12:55<interbird>dynasource: well, then check-out the apt-get source command; it pulls the source ready-made for your version (lenny or connie :-) and you can compile and install it. Also take a look at the --prefix flag for configure; that will tell her where to install herself...
12:56*keehun is not a super Linux person, but willing to learn
12:56<dynasource>ok thanx
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12:59<fxiny>keehun: /home/keehun/ircd/unreal ?
13:00<keehun>fxiny: Sorry, I'll be back, Thanks!
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13:29<keehun>fxiny: Hello
13:29<keehun>Yes it's installed at /home/ircd/unreal (not in keehun
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13:31<fxiny>keehun: if you don't want it anymore just delete it . everything from source shoud be installed in /usr/local or /opt
13:32<keehun>fxiny: Ah, awesome. Just delete.
13:32<fxiny>keehun: stick with official debian
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13:32<keehun>fxiny: ?
13:33<keehun>fxiny: Oh, Ok
13:33<fxiny>keehun: if you are not expert . jsut let apt or aptitude installing
13:33<keehun>fxiny: Gotcha
13:33<keehun>fxiny: Though the package wasn't really available
13:33<fxiny>keehun: and . if you are runnit etch be prepared for upgrading to the next stable which is codenamed lenny and will be released as stable soon
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13:34<keehun>Wondering, will the update take out everything I have?
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13:35<keehun>fxiny: Will that take out everything like apache setup that I have?
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13:36<fxiny>keehun: it depends . it will upgrade many things , you can backup your setup
13:37<keehun>fxiny: I have a lot to learn :)
13:37<fxiny>keehun: and anyway you'll be asked to keep your old conf or install new ones
13:37<keehun>fxiny: Ahh, ok
13:37<fxiny>when possible
13:37<fxiny>it depends
13:38<keehun>fxiny: That will be my first kernel update
13:38<keehun>fxiny: Lots of new exciting things in Lenny? Or just security/internal updates
13:38<keehun>fxiny: This is just a server setup, no gui, etc, nothing but apache and other web services really
13:38<fxiny>keehun: from a user point of view installing a new kernel is like installing any other package , just a reboot
13:39<keehun>fxiny: Ahh, ok
13:39<fxiny>keehun: whan last did you update your runnig kernel ?
13:39<keehun>fxiny: This install is fairly new
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13:40<fxiny>keehun: is added to your sources.list ?
13:41<keehun>Hold on
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13:41<keehun>deb [url you wrote] etc/updates main contrib
13:41<keehun>and also deb-src
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13:42<martinwm>you only need deb-src when you plan to get source packages
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13:45<justin>how do I go about installing the driver / module for ipw2100 wireless? module-assistant?
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13:50<blal>sup, #debian
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13:54<KnomeDE>YAY compiz
13:54<bernhard>make-kpkg failed because fakeroot was missing. How do I use it so it won't compile the kernel again, but make the package only?
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14:04<justin>I'm having difficulties installing my wireless driver can someone help out? thanks
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14:09<keehun>fxiny: Do you know if there has to be a subdomain for every single part of irc? (sorry for bad wording, I meant for things like locop, ircop, coadmin, admin, csops, netadmin, etc)
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14:19<tom_ppc>hello i have a Windows Media Player 9 Video file, but it won't play. Where can I get the codec?
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14:22<nomad_cz>Hi. What is the preferred package for suspend/hibernation ? hibernate or pm-utils or uswsusp ? And is it supposed to work ?
14:22<cahoot>not even mplayer can handle it?
14:23<nsadmin>isn't there some automated way to find out why a package is not in lenny?
14:24<dmoerner>nomad_cz, hal now uses pm-utils. hibernate is pretty much a frontend for other mechanisms
14:24<dmoerner>acpid still uses acpi-support by default though
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14:24<cahoot>nsadmin: try /msg dpkg why is <pkg> not in testing
14:25<nsadmin>great, thanks
14:25<nomad_cz>dmoerner: I see. Thanks.
14:25<nsadmin>I'll try both!!
14:25<dmoerner>nomad_cz, just use what works for you. pm-utils works for me in ubuntu but uswsusp works best in debian
14:26<nomad_cz>dmoerner: Ok. I have tried hibernate and Debian did not resume ;)
14:26<simonrvn>tom_ppc: mplayer. SOL if your nick says which arch you're trying to run it from
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14:26<dmoerner>dpkg, tell tom_ppc -about dmm
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14:27<dmoerner>tom_ppc, you should try vlc and w32codecs
14:27<tom_ppc>yes i am ppc... what does SOL mean?
14:27<d3f3nd3r>anybody using the asus p5q mainboard?
14:27<dpkg>[sol] Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer
14:27<simonrvn>#1 there
14:27<tom_ppc>i guess its the first one :(
14:27<tom_ppc>ok thanks
14:27<dmoerner>tom_ppc, on ppc you are definitely sol
14:28<nsadmin>#446405 [S| | ] [ardour] ardour: Embeds too many libs (why is this a problem?)
14:28<tom_ppc>thanks for your help
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14:29<tom_ppc>if i ever win the lottery i will pay someone to reverse engineer wmv9
14:29<nsadmin>#458660 [S|R| ] [ardour] ardour: FTBFS: build times out (oh, ok, this one is obviously bad)
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14:29<keehun>tom_ppc: Or just get Microsoft to not use so proprietary stuff. But I guess reverse engineering will be "easier" :P
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14:30<keehun>Actually, getting MS to not use proprietary stuff can be done for free. Just need manpower.
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14:30<tom_ppc>even if M$ stopped today there is already about a million videos already encoded
14:30<keehun>Eh, that is true.
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14:30<dmoerner>nsadmin, it's explained in the bug report for 446405: security warnings are made against the libs within ardour. if ardour is packaged with those libs, then automated ways to notice if there is a security violation won't show up because those libs aren't independent packagves
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14:33<cahoot>are debain kernels optimal for work with ardour anyway?
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14:37<automi>hi all
14:37<automi>i have got a problem with fetchmail
14:38<automi>sombody can I help to me?
14:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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14:43<automi>I have a problem with fetchmail; I'm running Debian etch. When I try to download mails from mail server. I wrote the keep paramerer to .fetchmailrc. This paramerer don't delete the mails from a server. It's ok. But the fetchmail run again, it download the mail again and again. This is my little problem.
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14:51<nsadmin>automi: not trying to answer your question (I don't know) but curiously, isn't that what you're telling the server to do?
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14:53<automi>nothing, just download again and again the mail from the server.
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15:08<Woet>how do I exit a 'screen' without killing the process in it or the screen itself?
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15:09<dmoerner>Woet, Ctrl+a d
15:09<Woet>cool, thanks
15:10<Woet>dmoerner: I started the screen with 'screen -t cod4 ./cod4-lnxbin'
15:10<Woet>but screen -r cod4 returns 'There is no screen matching cod4'
15:11<dmoerner>Woet, that is the title of the terminal running that program INSIDE of the screen multiplexed session
15:11<Woet>okay, how would I give it a name so I can -r it?
15:11<dmoerner>to reattach the actual screen you should use just screen -r, if there are no other screens running
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15:12<Woet>okay, that works
15:12<Woet>and what if I got multiple screens?
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15:13<dmoerner>Woet, screen -r accepts the following options: []
15:13<dmoerner>Woet, create the screen with screen -S sessionname and then screen -r sessionname
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15:27<howard>namechange >P
15:28<howard>could somebody please help me with sharing an iternet connection with a debian box?
15:28<howard>or rather, through a debian box with a debian box :D
15:28<howard>i've messed with it for like a week and haven't firgured it out
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15:31<howard>thanks, i'm not doing it through usb though
15:31<howard>should i just substitute usb0 with the network card the modem is connected to_
15:31<howard>that would be eht0
15:31<widrone>The network commands should be of use, try swapping in your local enviroment or give more info.
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15:32<widrone>howard: But yeah, eth0 could be. How is your frerunner linked into a network?
15:32<howard>i've tried the command-line iptables things (just about all I could google)
15:32<howard>i've tried firestarter
15:32<howard>and it works on the server side
15:32<howard>at least seems to
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15:33<howard>but the other computer still doesn't have internet
15:33<widrone>if you got firewall rules mixed into this Id sort of suggest turning it off while troubleshooting. If that is safe ofc.
15:33<howard>should be safe
15:33<howard>so turn off firestarter?
15:34<widrone>howard: freerunner - (some link) - debian box - wired - adsl ? Is your setup something like this?
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15:35<howard>adsl --> debian server --> debian client
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15:35<howard>the server has 2 network cards
15:35<howard>in through eth0, out through eth2
15:36<howard>i'll try the link given
15:36<howard>see what that does
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15:38<howard> -- ist usb0 the card that has direct connection to the internet (eth0 in my case)?
15:38<widrone>howard: subsitute eth2 for usb0 on the debian server side should work in theory
15:38<howard>will do!
15:39<widrone>howard: usb0 is the usb link you are not using. How are you running this on the frerunner side ?
15:39<widrone>howard: wireless?
15:39<howard>all wired
15:39<howard>how should i configure the client?
15:40<widrone>howard: Im too tired I understand, was sure you were on a frerunner. MY bad =)
15:40<howard>wasn't, sorry :P
15:40<howard>will this thing still work?
15:41<guillaume>i need truecrypt6.0a under unstable does anybody know how or where can I found information about that (I already search with google). I'm looking for some information in order to compile it under sid
15:42<interbird>are you running sid ?
15:42<widrone>howard: as the info is for letting traffic thru somewhat similar, but alot of the info would be confsing to you .
15:43<howard>so what should i do?
15:44<guillaume>interbird: is it a question for me ?
15:44<howard>in theory though, it seems that firestarter with it's fancy gui should make things work
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15:45<howard>but even with having it use the dhcp server, the client has no connection
15:45*b52deb want to ask a question , an off topic one :d
15:45<howard>it's a fresh install of debian with nothing else modified (reinstalled just in case I messed something up in the previous install)
15:45<widrone>howard: As a jumping off point, . It also links to more network info at the bottom of page. I dont know firestarter myself.
15:46<qq_>guillaume: apt-cache search wxwidgets
15:46<interbird>guillaume: it was but then i saw you were on sid already, my fault; packages on do not give a response on truecrypt, dunno, sorry...
15:46<widrone>howard: You need something to forward traficc between the two interfaces atleast.
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15:47<widrone>howard: Is the link to last machine defined static or are you feeding dhcpd on eth2?
15:47<howard>but it doesn't seem to have anything on nat or sharing
15:47<guillaume>interbird: yes, the only way is to compile it as it's not a gpl software
15:47<howard>i tried both
15:48<widrone>howard: Short version, how that last machine getting its network info
15:48<howard>eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:DA:C6:1E:E7
15:48<howard> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
15:48<howard> inet6 addr: fe80::250:daff:fec6:1ee7/64 Scope:Link
15:48<howard> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
15:48<widrone>howard: Pastealeart!
15:48<howard> RX packets:68 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
15:48<howard> TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
15:48<howard> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
15:48<howard> RX bytes:5663 (5.5 KiB) TX bytes:468 (468.0 b)
15:48<howard> Interrupt:145 Base address:0xcf80
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15:48<nsadmin>first time on irc?
15:49<interbird>guillaume: compile non-gpl software ?
15:49<howard>i'll try to learn :D
15:49<howard>what was the question before?
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15:49<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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15:50<nsadmin>that pastebin pipe thing is pretty good
15:50<nsadmin>check that out
15:50<widrone>howard: ifconfig , route -n and whatever else you got on the networksetup is helpfull
15:50<luks>hi guys... i get an error while im trying to compile an usplash... i get pngtousplash not found... what package should i install for this to work?
15:51<howard> is the ifconfig info for eth2
15:51<dmoerner>dpkg, tell luks about search
15:51<dmoerner>luks, libusplash-dev
15:51<widrone>howard: Really hard to see inside your setup, but alot of people read thru here. So the more info you can give the easyer it is for the 1000 eyes in here to spot the easy way out.
15:52<luks>ok thank you, i dont know how to use dpkg
15:52<nsadmin>I guess they want to know the shape of your net
15:52<howard>i have eth0 connect to the internet via a DSL modem and get the IP via DHCP
15:52<howard>then I have eth2 which is connected to another box running debian via a crossover cable
15:52<howard>i would like to share my connection with the other debian box
15:53<nsadmin>hook eth2 to a hub
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15:53<widrone>nsadmin: He is using a crossover cable, should work with that too.
15:54<nsadmin>then pick a net (howbout
15:54<howard>yeah, crossover should do fine
15:54<howard>this is my ifconfig info on all the interfaces
15:54<nsadmin>oh, I thought he meant he had an additional machine other than those two
15:55<widrone>howard: Then setup last machine to use a 192.168.0. adress with .1 as gw. Try to ping it.
15:55<nsadmin>have the machine on eth2 set up its interface for that net, and use address
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15:56<nsadmin>then install ipmasq
15:56<widrone>howard: get that ip link up first then sort out who to accualy forward traffic
15:56<howard>so this setup would work for the client? -- ip: mask: gateway:
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15:56<nsadmin>ipmasq will then look at the interfaces, figure everything out (not dns) and get you up
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15:57<howard>which address should i ping
15:57<widrone>howard: Yes, then look into ipmasq for NATting. That part Ill leave myself out of.
15:57<howard>my public ip?
15:57<widrone>howard: ping the gw ip from the last box.
15:57<widrone>see if it can reach its gefault gw
15:57<howard>would that be then?
15:57<nsadmin>first try pinging the from
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15:58<howard>ok (Y)
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15:58<nsadmin>I would recommend installing a caching-only name server (any will do) on
15:59<luks>didnt have luck, i get this error while trying to compile... can some on tell me what im missing?
15:59<nsadmin>bind9 would work out of the box for that purpose
16:00<nsadmin>luks: did you install the package from before?
16:00<howard>ok, ping works fine
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16:00<howard>nsadmin, how do i do that? :D
16:00<luks>nsadmin, nope... ive download it from gnome-look
16:00<howard>which software to use?
16:00<luks>nsadmin, ii dont know why i cant compile it
16:01<nsadmin>howard: try apt-get install bind9 (on
16:01<justin>I'm having great difficulty getting ipw2100 wireless module to work. How do I add this driver to lenny?
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16:02<howard>now what? :D
16:02<nsadmin>there will be one somewhat annoying thing though, if gets its dns from the dhcp from the dsl, resolv.conf on will be in contention and I forgot how to resolve that
16:03<nsadmin>now edit /etc/resolv.conf on to say "nameserver"
16:03<howard> does get int's nameservers from the DSL DHCP
16:03<dmoerner>luks, do you have libc6-dev installed?
16:04<luks>ill check that out
16:04<howard>ok, i added that
16:04<howard>try my client machine now?
16:05<howard>i only have one monitor/keyboard/mouse, so i want to make sure :D :D
16:05<nsadmin>there's a somewhat elegant way to get the dhcp to feed the forwarders stanza on the bind9 but you should be alright
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16:05<nsadmin>did you install ipmasq on
16:05<howard>do i need to restart any services on the server?
16:05<widrone>howard: you could ssh into the last debian box and try commands from a terminal maybe?
16:05<howard>but the irc won't work
16:05<widrone>who needs more then one keyboad? ;)
16:06<howard>i did that back when i had a router
16:06<howard>but that got in the way of my ftp server
16:06<nsadmin>your server is now also a router
16:06<howard>anyway :P
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16:06<howard>ipmasq is not installed
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16:06<howard>install it?
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16:07<howard>ho do i specify which interface to install it on?
16:07<nsadmin>it figures all that out
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16:07<howard>i just did apt-get install ipmasq
16:07<nsadmin>and it's done?
16:08<howard>that it is :)
16:08<nsadmin>ok, ping from
16:08<howard>ok (Y)
16:08<howard>no need to restart any services beforehand?
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16:08<nsadmin>shouldn't be :)
16:09<nsadmin>so does the ping work?
16:10<howard>doesn't ping
16:10<howard>unknown host:
16:10<howard>is there still hope? :D
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16:10<nsadmin>did you edit resolv.conf on
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16:11<nsadmin>let's see if your physical net is up
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16:11<howard>somehow i didn't
16:11<howard>thought i did
16:11<howard>i added now
16:11<howard>check again?
16:11<nsadmin>hold on
16:12<nsadmin>you edited /etc/resolv.conf just now on which machine?
16:12<wfamy>I am looking for xn vserver kernel. There is no xen-vserver debian kernel uper 2.6.18 and lot of new hardware do not work :-(.
16:12<howard>on the server
16:12<nsadmin>which ip is that
16:12<wfamy>Is there an URL to find xen patch.
16:12<nsadmin>I dunno which is your server :)
16:12<howard>well eth0 is the public ip :D
16:12<wfamy>I am looking for xn vserver kernel. There is no xen-vserver debian kernel uper 2.6.18 and lot of new hardware do not work :-(.
16:12<howard>and eth2 is
16:13<howard>which is the gateway for (the client)
16:13<nsadmin>so this machine that has eth0 and eth2 is your server?
16:13<widrone>howard: .1 is serving stuff so its th server
16:13<howard>sorry, i was unclear
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16:13<nsadmin>ok, so is the server
16:13<widrone>howard: I see frerunner everywhere, its just ward :)
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16:13<nsadmin>and the outer
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16:14<howard>the client is using for the ip and for the gateway
16:14<howard>and the public ip is**
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16:14<nsadmin>(just to let you know that might not be a good idea to combine like that for security reasons, but let's ignore that for now, but not forever)
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16:15<howard>but i'll try to get it running first
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16:15<howard>and then mess with security :)
16:15<howard>it's pretty secure now :D
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16:15<nsadmin>so, the server needs its resolv.conf pointing at either itself or your net provider dns
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16:16<nsadmin>and the client (.2) resolv.conf points at the server
16:16<howard>that's strange
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16:16<justin>could someone help troubleshoot a new lenny install / ipw2100 wireless card?
16:16<howard> keeps being deleted from resolv.conf
16:16<howard>i'm sure i put it there and now it's gone
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16:17<howard>the other two ip's are and
16:17<nsadmin>ok, apt-get install resolvconf on both client and server
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16:17<nsadmin>that's probably ok for the server
16:18<howard>i'll just have to do it with gdebi for the client then
16:18<howard>or is it ok to skip the client?
16:18<nsadmin>you -don't- want the server's resolv.conf pointing at the client
16:18<howard>done for the server
16:18<howard>so i just have the 2 ip's mentioned above in resolv.conf
16:18<nsadmin>you -do- want the client's resolv.conf pointing at the server
16:19<nsadmin>that's fine for now and maybe forever
16:19<nsadmin>on the server tho, right?
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16:19<howard>so edit the client's resolv.conf to include or ...0.2?
16:19<howard>it's, right?
16:20<nsadmin>if you put .2 in the resolv.conf of the client, it will just point to itself, and that won't work because the client doesn't have a dns server installed
16:20<howard>makes sense
16:20<nsadmin>but the server does, so you can point the client at the server
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16:20<howard>i'll go edit
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16:21<nsadmin>while you're at it, try ping on the client
16:22<justin>when loading I get ipw2100: eth1: Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed. What does this mean? I think is supposed to be in the kernel??
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16:22<dmoerner>justin, you need to install the ipw2100 firmware
16:22<dpkg>methinks ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.14. Firmware is required, download from (v1.3 for Etch and later Debian versions) and unextract to /lib/firmware. #ipw2100 @
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16:23<nsadmin>unextract should be extract or unpack in that dpkg message
16:24<nsadmin>try ping on the client
16:24<howard>you're ip pinged fine (Y)
16:24<howard> did not :P
16:24<nsadmin>so ipmasq is working
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16:24<nsadmin>and your dns still is not
16:24<nsadmin>I actually have to go
16:24<howard>so how do i get the dns to work?
16:25<howard>thanks for the help :)
16:25<nsadmin>don't worry, you're in good hands here
16:25<howard>i'm much better off now :D
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16:25<howard>i just go an idea
16:25<howard>have a great day!
16:25<nsadmin>btw, one final comment
16:26<nsadmin>you can now replace that crossover cable with a hub and get more machines on
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16:26<howard>i probably will
16:26<howard>have plans for some wifi eventually :)
16:27<nsadmin>you have to assign ips manually, it's just like the setup for the client except you would use different ips that start with 192.168.0.
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16:27<nsadmin>can't use 1 or 2, they're taken
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16:27<nsadmin>also can't use 0 or 255, they're special
16:27<howard>seems easy
16:28<nsadmin>also can't use greater than 255
16:28<howard>i'll have under 200 clients :D
16:28<nsadmin>sounds good
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16:28<howard>thanks again! :)
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16:29<nsadmin>one thing you could try is to use the same dns IPs listed in the server
16:29<howard>that's the idea i got
16:29<howard>writing them down now
16:29<nsadmin>if you decide to do that, you can remove bind9
16:30<howard>switching to client....
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16:31<nsadmin>btw, you got that idea because you have an independent understanding of how the nameserver line in resolv.conf works
16:31<nsadmin>and if your idea works, that understanding will be validated
16:31<nsadmin>just like parking :)
16:31<howard>it works :D
16:31<howard>thanks so much
16:32<howard>i have internet on the client
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16:32<nsadmin>welcome... and now BREAKFAST
16:32<howard>can't thank you enough, nsadmin :)
16:32<howard>all the best then! :D
16:32<howard>enjoy your meal!
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16:42<booxter_>hello! I have a problem with my Debian Etch laptop connected to the internet through ASUS WL-500G which is a Linux box with pptp and pppd in it. The problem is that ~ 1/3 of my HTTP requests end with "Unable to connect" message in Iceweazel and "Could not connect to remote server" in Opera. The thing is that Windows XP computer connected to the same router works flawlessly, with no network problems.
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16:42<booxter_>I tried to decrease "mtu" setting for ppp0 on router and eth0 on laptop - with no success
16:43<booxter_>what can you guys suggest?
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17:10<widrone>booxter_: thats 2 different machines? One works the other not? Or dual boot on same hw
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17:13<booxter_>widrone: different
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17:17<interbird>booxter: hmm strange problem; check your dns-server ? maybe there is a loop...
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17:18<booxter_>if I will leave only one dns server will this help me to investigate the problem properly?
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17:19<interbird>booxter_: try traceroute to see where communication is going
17:20<booxter_>btw if I do "ping -M do -s 57" then the following is on my console:
17:20<booxter_>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 (truncated)
17:20<booxter_>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=2 ttl=238 (truncated)
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17:20<booxter_>is this "truncated" smth bad?
17:20<interbird>booxter_: try traceroute to see where communication is going
17:21<booxter_>interbird: ok, I need some manual reading for this...
17:21<interbird>man traceroute ?
17:21<booxter_>interbird: I'm reading it:-)
17:21<interbird>traceroute --help ?
17:22<booxter_>interbird: how can this info help me?
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17:24<angasule_>apt-file update gives me
17:24<angasule_>Can't get
17:24<interbird>traceroute could indentify where your traffic is going; and where it gets blocked...
17:24<angasule_>(the file is indeed not there)
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17:25<interbird>traceroute: fot instance what dns-servers your request visits...
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17:25<booxter_>interbird: em... how long should traceroute generally work?
17:26<booxter_>hm: traceroute: Warning: has multiple addresses; using
17:26<interbird>about 2 or 3 seconds, depending on the target
17:26<booxter_>what does it mean?
17:27<interbird>it means that there are more ways to reach that address; like there are more ways to reach your front-door
17:28<booxter_>traceroute: Warning: has multiple addresses; using
17:28<booxter_>traceroute to (, 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
17:28<booxter_> 1 my.router ( 0.842 ms 0.586 ms 0.578 ms
17:28<booxter_> 2 ( 21.831 ms 22.104 ms 22.450 ms
17:28<booxter_> 3 * * *
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17:29<interbird>main issue is: what ways are taken... and traceroute may be able to point that out and the DNS is like a broadcaster with a yellow-pages book
17:30<booxter_>traceroute just stalled after: 2 ( 22.170 ms 43.430 ms 23.157 ms
17:30<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
17:30<interbird>and what was the last address ?
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17:31<interbird>dpkg: sleep
17:31<dpkg>i guess sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk*
17:31<booxter_>it's a ppp0 end point on my router
17:31<interbird>so the end-ip from traceroute is a local one ?
17:31<widrone>it may just be discarding icmp thu
17:32<booxter_>no, it's a default gw for ppp0
17:32<jcesar>howto install your-freedon in debian lenny
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17:33<booxter_>interbird: ADSL, PPTP
17:33<booxter_>router sets mtu = 1400. Pretty good for PPTP I think
17:34<interbird>booxter_: does route -n show the correct way ?
17:34<widrone>jcesar: your-freedom?
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17:34<jcesar>widrone, yes
17:34<booxter_>interbird: UG 0 0 0 ppp0
17:34<booxter_>I think it is
17:35<booxter_>the thing is that web works
17:35<booxter_>though not always
17:35<booxter_>some requests goes through, some not
17:35<widrone>jcesar: That look very java from their website, you need a java vm to run it it seems. This is not packaged in debian is it?
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17:35<newsense>you got ipv6 module loaded widrone ?
17:36<newsense>err s/windrone/booxter_
17:36<widrone>newsense: Wha? Dont get confused now =P
17:36<booxter_>where? on Debian or on router?
17:36<newsense>booxter_: do all requests work by ip ?
17:36<booxter_>"ipv6" is there
17:37<newsense>ipv6 and dns lookups dont work with some reouters
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17:37<interbird>booxter_: so your box is directly connected to the internet and not connected through a router ? (otherwise you would see the router-address as the gateway: 192.x.y.z)
17:37<newsense>tr5y blacklisting that module and see if that helps
17:37<booxter_>newsense: but I connect with ipv4 address
17:37<newsense>booxter_: i understand that
17:37<widrone>jcesar: Look abit like tor that thingy, you may look into that depending on your intended use too.
17:37<booxter_>interbird: I showed you router route
17:37<newsense> he said
17:38<EmleyMoor>After my upgrade to lenny, X no longer starts. I was using nvidia drivers. What do I need to do?
17:38<booxter_>ok, I
17:38<booxter_>I'll try to blacklist it and see if it helps
17:38<widrone>EmleyMoor: Pastebin your error logs and config for starters.
17:38<newsense>let me know if it work
17:39<EmleyMoor>That's going to be hard but will work on it. Meantime, suggestions welcome
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17:39<interbird>booxter_: sorry, i cannot solve if you dont know the difference between 192.x.y.z and glopbal ip's
17:39<jcesar>widrone, looks my message
17:40<interbird>booxter_: your route -n output would sugest that you have no router in between...
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17:41<interbird>booxter_: my first guess is that you have some wires wrongly connected...
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17:42<EmleyMoor>What's our recommended pastebin these days?
17:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
17:43<qq_>EmleyMoor: ^^^
17:44<interbird>if never used nvidia at all go ati cause the specs will be opened
17:45<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>.
17:45<EmleyMoor>qq_: Diolch yn fawr. Will do as recommended
17:45<interbird>must be updated...
17:45<EmleyMoor>(waiting on update-pciids now)
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17:47<EmleyMoor>nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate
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17:47<dpkg>methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
17:47<widrone>jcesar: Dont msg me with alot of java stuff, I really dont know any java atall. And you are missing out of possible helpsources by doing that.
17:47<EmleyMoor>(do I need an additional repo? I have non-free)
17:47<interbird>EmleyMoor: installed the kernel-headers ?
17:48<simonrvn>updated? i assume you did.
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17:48<booxter>newsense: didn't help
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17:48<widrone>jcesar: So you started it and it spit out a bunch of errors it seems. Either the vm is not able to run the code or its some versioning thing.
17:48<newsense>lets see youre route -n
17:49<EmleyMoor>Yes, got those - but no relevance to this impasse
17:49<simonrvn>apt-cache search nvidia kernel ;)
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17:50<booxter>newsense: debian or router's?
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17:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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17:50<EmleyMoor>nvidia-kernel-common is there but surely not what I want
17:50<interbird>EmleyMoor: install the kernel-headers for your kernel; the nvidia package in Debian is bogus, like the Eclipse package. It is an efford to "pack" software that can be installed and used as is. Better download the nvidia-drivers from their site. No offence to the maintainers of these packges...
17:51<qq_>interbird: linux-headers .... instead kernel-headers
17:52<widrone>jcesar: Id say use the help from vondors pages first, then try back here if it seems to be debian java related. ( )
17:52<EmleyMoor>Do I need to backport nvidia-kernel-source from sid?
17:53<qq_>!non-free sources
17:53<dpkg>non-free sources is probably edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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17:53<EmleyMoor>I've got non-free, it isn't in there
17:53<newsense>booxter: what about routers ? and are you using the right mtu ?
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17:54<interbird>qq_: depends on your linux kernel version, after 2.6.8 or so kernel*** was renamed to linux***, or am i mistaken? linux-headers** ?/
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17:55<booxter>newsense, here is my router's route -n and ifconfig:
17:55<qq_>interbird: our EmleyMoor use lenny , so ...
17:55<booxter>I use mtu = 1400 for ppp0
17:56<interbird>qq_: so, lenny uses kernel above 2.6.8 not?
17:56<booxter>even if I lower it the same errors occur
17:56<interbird>qq_: so, lenny uses kernel above 2.6.8 not?
17:56<EmleyMoor>interbird: Well above
17:57*EmleyMoor reverts to his dialect
17:57<qq_>EmleyMoor: uname -r
17:57<interbird>qq_: if you can find a kernel*headers* in the repository of lenny i grant you victory
17:57<EmleyMoor>T'int in t'tin
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17:58<newsense>booxter: is this router connected to another router ?
17:58<EmleyMoor>qq_: uname -r isn't going to help much at this stage but will do it as soon as I can
17:58<booxter>newsense: it is connected to ADSL modem which just passes VPN connections through
17:58<booxter>modem is
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17:59<newsense>so is this modem a nat router
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18:00<interbird>EmleyMoor: like i said, nvidia stuff is not "open"; all packaged versions in non-free will lag-behind; better is to install from the nvidia-site if you want the most recent...
18:00<booxter>newsense: I don't know. For me it's a blackbox. I don't have administrative credentials for it.
18:00<qq_>EmleyMoor: uname -r is your key , in having nvidia driver ....
18:00<EmleyMoor>interbird: I am more troubled by how than what
18:01<EmleyMoor>qq_: 2.6.25-2-686
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18:01<newsense>booxter: looks to me like you might be using 2 layers of nat, who makes the modem ?
18:01<interbird>to package non-free software like some do for nvidia is a waste of time; but heck... if one likes to do that...
18:01<booxter>newsense: makes? what d'you mean? producer?
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18:02<EmleyMoor>I care not but need help with how. I need this to work and the dpkg factoid is not correct
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18:02<booxter>some "Billion Electric inc." peace of sh...t
18:02<interbird>EmleyMoor: why don't you download the driver from the nvidia-site ?
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18:03<jimisrvrox>I am trying to get this foxmarks xpi but I tried to do reverse DNS to get the IP but I cannot seem to get it
18:03<EmleyMoor>I don't don't, I just haven't so achieved yet
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18:04<jimisrvrox>every time I try to download any extensions I get error -228 what has been suggested is to paste the IP in the hosts file to get it but idk why the hell linux users would have to do something like that
18:04<qq_>EmleyMoor: install linux-headers-2.6.25-2-686
18:04<interbird>EmleyMoor: It installs a BLOB and then it works; why bother with this "packaged" nvidia stuff from a debian repository that is packaged for a specific kernel version ?
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18:05<booxter>newsense: any suggestions?
18:05<qq_>EmleyMoor: before download the driver from the nvidia-site
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18:05<jimisrvrox>im also considering a diff distro as my machine is only a P3 700 with 196mb of that the machine will run a bit faster..
18:05<EmleyMoor>You're talking about an it I haven't yet got. Packaged or unpackaged, I don't mind. It just has to work.
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18:05<newsense>booxter: maybe try disabling nat on your router if your modem is using nat already
18:05<EmleyMoor>qq_: Already got
18:06<newsense>booxter: unfortunately i have to run and grab dinner, ill be back shortly
18:06<booxter>I think I can try to connect directly with pptp-linux on my Debian Etch laptop, with no router in networking configuration, but not now...
18:06<booxter>newsense: thanks for help anyway. see you later
18:06<interbird>dinner is fortunate to me
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18:06<newsense>booxter: you modem connects to your pppoe server rdoesnt it ?
18:07<booxter>it's just a pass-through shit
18:07<newsense>booxter: i like dinner too but hate driving haha
18:07<booxter>the actual connection is on router
18:07<booxter>it starts pppd, pptp etc. and make all the VPN stuff
18:07<interbird>booxter: have you downloaded the nvidia-drivers from their site ?
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18:08<booxter>interbird: em?.. :)
18:08<newsense>booxter: ok so if you connect right to the modem you have to run pppd on your computer than right
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18:09<interbird>booxter: sorry, I was addresing EmleyMoor but the keyboard did not listen :-)
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18:09<booxter>newsense: for now this is a router's peace of work
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18:10<newsense>booxter: ill be back, gotta get off the computer or i wont be getting any dessert haha
18:10<interbird>EmleyMoor: have you downloaded the nvidia-drivers from their site ?
18:10<qq_>EmleyMoor: run invidia script for your graphic card , and be happy !
18:10<booxter>newsense: bon appetit
18:11<EmleyMoor>interbird: I have now...
18:11<EmleyMoor>qq_: Run what, sorry?
18:11<EmleyMoor>Running the thing I downloaded from nvidia has now got me to this error:
18:11<EmleyMoor>ERROR: The kernel you are installing for is a Xen kernel!
18:11<interbird>EmleyMoor: open a root terminal and go to the dir there the downloaded driver is
18:13<EmleyMoor>The NVIDIA driver does not currently work on Xen kernels. If you are using a stock distribution kernel (which I am), please install a variant of this kernel without Xen support; (meaning I need to build my own? Best way of keeping it sane please.) if this is a custom kernel, please install a standard Linux kernel. Then try installing the NVIDIA kernel module again.
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18:14<interbird>EmleyMoor: what does uname -a say on your system ?
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18:15<EmleyMoor>Same as it said 10 minutes ago - 2.6.25-2-686
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18:16<enouf>there was a xen compilation error in certain versions
18:17<qq_>cat /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 |grep XEN
18:17<enouf>something about a worng version or the xen options being set accidentakky
18:17<enouf>righto qq_
18:17<interbird>EmleyMoor: And did you check the nvidia-site for with what kernel-versions the driver you downloaded is compatible ?
18:17<enouf>qq_: uuoc award ;-)
18:18<interbird>EmleyMoor: can it handle 2.6.26 ?
18:18<enouf>grep XEN /boot/config-`uname -r`
18:18<EmleyMoor>qq_: Wrong kernel version. 2.6.25-2-686
18:18<enouf>EmleyMoor: grep XEN /boot/config-`uname -r`
18:18<EmleyMoor>XEN y, HVC_XEN y, other three m
18:18<enouf>whoops :-P
18:19<enouf>better untick those
18:19<EmleyMoor>Whoever compiled this kernel obviously failed to account for this
18:19<interbird>EmleyMoor: if you are running a XEN-kernel... are we talking about nvidia for dom0 or the other doms?
18:19<enouf>EmleyMoor: i said it was an error, a bug, whatever for certain versions .. quickly fixed
18:20<EmleyMoor>interbird: What are doms?
18:20<EmleyMoor>enouf: Not fixed in testing
18:20<enouf>there might even be some workaround for nvidia binary blob crap - but i don't know about that
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18:21<enouf>!find linux-image-2.6-686 testing
18:21<interbird>EmleyMoor: You talk about XEN and don't know what a dom is ?
18:21<enouf>interbird: i'm pretty sure he;s NOT using xen, but it's a kernel miscompile that includes xen options
18:21<EmleyMoor>interbird: XEN is in the stock kernel. It's the NVIDIA driver install that gave that message I typed
18:21<enouf>EmleyMoor: stock is not Debian
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18:22<EmleyMoor>enouf: In this case I mean stock as in what's in the default package in testing
18:22<enouf>then say debian kernel
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18:22<interbird>enouf: i don't know what he is on because even i can get nvidia working, and i am a nono
18:23<EmleyMoor>interbird: Running lenny?
18:23<interbird>no, Connie
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18:23<EmleyMoor>What is that?
18:24<interbird>like Lenny but then in 3D
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18:25<EmleyMoor>I think you have the wrong meaning of lenny
18:25<KillerZzZ>Hello ppl
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18:26<barnes>interbird cat /etc/debian_version
18:26<KillerZzZ>can someone tell me which and where is the configuration file where is the instruction to initiate compiz??
18:26<KillerZzZ>bc when i do metacity --replace I get the error Segmentation fault
18:26<dpkg>rumour has it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
18:27<EmleyMoor>OK, what's the right way to recompile the standard Debian kernel with XEN removed?
18:27<interbird>barnes: it says "connie 0.95"
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18:27<barnes>whats that ?=)
18:27<interbird>barnes: it says "connie 0.95"
18:27<barnes>got any url?
18:28<interbird>yes, wait a moment...
18:28<KillerZzZ>qq_, that didnt help me >(
18:28<nsadmin>what are my options under etch to run newly opened ati/radeon drivers?
18:28<EmleyMoor>interbird: How about an URL outside your machine which refers to this?
18:29<nsadmin>oh, is howard still here?
18:29<interbird>EmleyMoor: you got your nvidia working already ?
18:29<EmleyMoor>interbird: It worked under etch. It does not work under lenny
18:29<qq_>KillerZzZ: try bts!
18:30<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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18:30<nsadmin>KillerZzZ: the compiz factoid didn't help you? what will, if not information?
18:30<enouf>EmleyMoor: pretty sure lenny needs some sid stuff for nvidia to work
18:31<EmleyMoor>enouf: I need definitives here
18:31<enouf>like nvidia-driver-source or something
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18:31<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
18:31<dpkg>well, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:31<interbird>EmleyMoor: yeah, that's one of the things that's so good about Debian; it keeps you thinking and trying and when it works she is like a women :-)
18:31<KillerZzZ>nsadmin, i just need to know where is the file that sets my window decorators etc is...
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18:31<enouf>nvidia-KERNEL-source as the factoid says
18:31<EmleyMoor>nvidia_post_etch is incorrect for lenny. There is no nvidia-kernel-source
18:31<enouf>sure there is
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18:32<nsadmin>KillerZzZ: so you're saying your nvidia driver is working and you don't need help with that
18:32<interbird>KillerZzZ: what window manager?
18:32<enouf>~$ apt-cache showsrc nvidia-kernel-source
18:32<EmleyMoor>In lenny? Certain there isn't. In sid, yes, but what's the right thing to do to get it?
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18:32<nsadmin>what are my options under etch to run newly opened ati/radeon drivers?
18:32<barnes>interbird got any url that is avalible from the "internet"?
18:32<enouf>Package: nvidia-graphics-drivers
18:32<enouf>Binary: nvidia-glx-ia32, nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, nvidia-kernel-source
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18:33<enouf>EmleyMoor: as the factoid mentions - but /msg dpkg ssb
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18:33<EmleyMoor>I've read ssb
18:33<interbird>barnes: you are sure you want that? (beware what you wish for)
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18:34<EmleyMoor>What exactly do I do? I have tried following ssb on the matter to the letter and it hasn't helped
18:34<enouf>you add one line to your sources.list, and that is a "deb-src" one only
18:34<dpkg>i guess deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC> stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed.
18:34<barnes>interbird if i dident want it why should i ask for it twice?
18:34<EmleyMoor>Yes, done. What next?#
18:34<KillerZzZ>nsadmin, yes, my nvidia driver is working
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18:35<KillerZzZ>interbird, metacity, but im not sure if its a window manager or decorator
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18:35<enouf>EmleyMoor: pastebin your sources.list
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18:35<EmleyMoor>enouf: No - it's not my sources.list
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18:35<nsadmin>EmleyMoor: we'll probably need more details about what parts of the ssb you did worked and didn't work
18:35<enouf>EmleyMoor: then why did you say it was?
18:35<interbird>barnes: dunno.. maybe you want a picture of conny, but I explaned three times that she is 3D. How can I point a url to a 3D thingy ?
18:35<EmleyMoor>I never did
18:36<enouf>18:33:27] <enouf> you add one line to your sources.list, and that is a "deb-src" one only 18:33:42] <EmleyMoor> Yes, done. What next?#
18:36<nsadmin>and in the case of didn't work, need to know more details about that, how didn't it work, what did it do, what's expected
18:36<EmleyMoor>I said I'd done the sources.list - it was beyond that point I was stuck
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18:36<enouf>stop being a fucken idiot or i'll stop helping
18:37<enouf>[18:34:20] <enouf> EmleyMoor: pastebin your sources.list
18:37<qq_>enouf: i agree with you
18:38<enouf>qq_: ;-)
18:38<nsadmin>"being a fucken idiot" is about as informative as "doesn't work"
18:39<nsadmin>having said that, he knows what to do next
18:40<nsadmin>I did try to give him a short overview, evidently that didn't work
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18:40<enouf>sometimes, muppets appear just to see how long it'll take for me to start swearing and cursing .. so i figure, might as well get it out the way, nice and ezrly ;-)
18:40<nsadmin>you mean muppets like fozzy ozbear?
18:41<enouf>somewhat, yup ;-)
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18:41<interbird>KillerZzZ: metacity is a gnome-based window-manager, it is not a decoration-manager like Emerald for Compiz or Beryl
18:42<nsadmin>what's a decorator?
18:42<diego>hi there, how does uptime knows the time my system was started ? where is the timestamp ?
18:42<nsadmin>in the kernel?
18:42<EmleyMoor>I am reworking the part that went wrong so that I can give definitive information as to what doesn't work.
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18:43<interbird>a decorator is a "split-off" part of what we used to know of a window-manager; it handles the "eye-candy".
18:43<nsadmin>EmleyMoor: cool... that will produce a separate case, but it might be related
18:44<nsadmin>so decorators were factored out of (some?) wms?
18:44<EmleyMoor>At the moment I have a problem preventing me from advancing at all - but I am working on that
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18:45<nsadmin>ok, while you're at that, we still need more details about what happened in the ssb
18:45<nsadmin>is that what you were working on? or something else?
18:47<EmleyMoor>I can't repeat the problem in the ssb because of the other problem on which I am now working - and it turns out the problem on which I am now working could have broken the ssb
18:48<interbird>EmleyMoor: there are 1024 "hurdles" to Rome; some know all about them... It's the info how to get there without falling that is of interest actually...
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18:51<nsadmin>EmleyMoor: no problem... you're saying you want to try to figure this part out. I like it!
18:52<interbird>me too !
18:52<nsadmin>if the process of doing an ssb successfully is part of the problem, try ssbing an unrelated package
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18:52<EmleyMoor>ssb did not break this time...
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18:53<interbird>step by step
18:54<EmleyMoor>Now it broke at m-a a-i nvidia - a not very informative box has appeared - Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. (which I have)
18:54<nsadmin>if efnet experience told me anything, it's that I -never- want to be dependent on an asshole
18:55<interbird>EmleyMoor: you have the linux-headers installed for your uname -a kernel version ?
18:55<nsadmin>what happens when you try apt-get build-dep nvidia-kernel
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18:56<EmleyMoor>nsadmin: Past that stage successfully - hold on, I think I may have missed something
18:56<EmleyMoor>Ah, now it's proceeding
18:56<interbird>don't try to use the repository and downloaded nvidia-stuff at the same time -- libraries will be inconsistant
18:56<EmleyMoor>interbird: Not trying to
18:57<qq_>EmleyMoor: please do think silently, we are not your garbage box
18:58<nsadmin>actually it's helpful to see what he's doing
18:58<qq_>yes ... actually
18:59<interbird>qq_: EmelyMoor is not silent
18:59<nsadmin>the noisy/garbagy part is he's not saying quite enough ("something's wrong, fixing" instead of "the bla wasn't installed")
18:59<EmleyMoor>Well, X is running now :-)
19:00<EmleyMoor>I tried the ssb in a directory with too little space - that was the actual problem
19:00<interbird>did the nvidia logo display ?
19:00<nsadmin>ohh, hello :)
19:00<nsadmin>what are my options under etch to run newly opened ati/radeon drivers?
19:00<EmleyMoor>Probably, based on past experience, but too brieflyt
19:01<nsadmin>glxgears will tell you if it's running ok
19:01<nsadmin>or playing doom3
19:01<nsadmin>if you don't get killed before it displays the first frame, it'
19:02<nsadmin>s probably working :)
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19:02<interbird>games will always belong to doze unless hardware gets more open; did amd/ati open that door ?
19:03<nsadmin>the games would still have to be ported
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19:03<interbird>nah, only the graphics-part (a library)
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19:08<EmleyMoor>glxgears says: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
19:08<EmleyMoor>Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
19:08<nsadmin>ok, we punt on that, need glxinfo output
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19:09<nsadmin>did you say you need 3d accel?
19:09<nsadmin>if no, you could stop here
19:10<EmleyMoor>nsadmin: I actually mainly need enough to run google-earth - I will try that to see what happens soon
19:10<aFlag>Today I updated my etch packages and I noticed a new kernel image. Where can I see what has changed? Its version seems to be the same as what I had installed, that is linux-image-2.6.18-6-686.
19:10<nsadmin>did you see where it came from?
19:11<nsadmin>when it was downloading
19:11<EmleyMoor>Google Earth is unable to jde tjf
19:11<EmleyMoor>identify my graphics card
19:11<EmleyMoor>As a result, it's no-go at present.
19:11<EmleyMoor>Will pastebin glxinfo
19:12<nsadmin>aFlag: dunno what changed, but maybe a good thing to try
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19:12<aFlag>I wanted to know what changed :-(
19:12<interbird>EmleyMoor: what is your graphics-card? (g-earth)
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19:13<EmleyMoor>It's a GeForce 8500 IIRC
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19:13<nsadmin>no need to get tense... look at the bug tracking system (try /msg dpkg bts)
19:15<nsadmin>also the front page ( usually has security alerts, you can search those
19:15<interbird>looks like GLX is missing; G-earth needs that. Is it an "older" card? or no glx-driver ?
19:15<EmleyMoor>It worked in etch - so I suspect it's just plain missing
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19:17<nsadmin>if that's the case you might have more backporting to do
19:17<aFlag>nsadmin: I have search those, but the new kernel image is not there
19:17<EmleyMoor>nsadmin: OK - I will look further into this tomorrow
19:18<aFlag>also, bts seems to have the open bugs, but not a changelog
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19:18<gnittor>EmleyMoor, do you have package nvidia-glx installed?
19:18<nsadmin>the changelog would be in the package, and installed in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
19:18<qq_>EmleyMoor: gave output of "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Driver"
19:18<aFlag>following the changelog link in ( seemed promissing, but the link seems broken
19:19<aFlag>nsadmin: can't I see it before installing?
19:19<qq_>install apt-listbugs
19:19<nsadmin>sure, do apt-get -d install <thatpackage>
19:19<interbird>EmleyMoor: wipe all traces of the previous driver, then reinstall it from scratch; also checkout your /etc/X11/xorg--config-file.
19:20<nsadmin>then crack the package open (make a dir that you can just blow away after)
19:20<qq_>aFlag: ^^^^
19:21<nsadmin>I'd also suggest man apt-get to see meaning of -d
19:21<EmleyMoor>gnittor: Yes. qq_: Driver "kbd" and Driver "mouse" only
19:21<qq_>aFlag: btw , why not installing >>>linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf
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19:21<aFlag>why should I install it?
19:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 335] by debhelper
19:22<nsadmin>I'd also suggest man apt-get to see meaning of -d
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19:22<qq_>EmleyMoor: where is nvidia driver ?
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19:23<EmleyMoor>qq_: Well, not listed in there, it seems
19:23<qq_>aFlag: it is the newer kernel
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19:24<EmleyMoor>It's in my old one - perhaps I should merge then
19:24<qq_>EmleyMoor: so you are missed the nvidia install ...
19:24<qq_>what a lamer
19:24<aFlag>qq_: why would I need a newer kernel?
19:24<nsadmin>what a blamer :P
19:25<qq_>aFlag: why not ?
19:25<nsadmin>one answer to that would be: all his hardware works
19:25<aFlag>because my system is already working with the kernel I have :)
19:26<interbird>installing a blob may be needed some times; but installing a "packaged" blob is nonsense... the package will alway be out-of-date. packaging "blobs" is a waste of time me thinks.
19:26<nsadmin>but that answer is not considering where the kernel came from, security.debian.orgh
19:26<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... is it just me or has xorg.conf been trimmed still further from what it was in etch?
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19:27<nsadmin>aFlag: have you figured out what -d means yet?
19:27<qq_> /ignore EmleyMoor
19:27<qq_>for ever !
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19:27<nsadmin>qq_, sheesh, what a grouch :P
19:28<nsadmin>not that I don't understand how that can come to be
19:28<interbird>dunno, compare it with the older versions you kept in /etc/X11
19:28<EmleyMoor>It's not got much in it any more - so unless my reconfigure wiped a lot of it out, it's been shrunk
19:29<nsadmin>there's more autodetecting, x can see specs reported by the monitor, etc
19:29<EmleyMoor>nsadmin: It seems to have missed the nvidia driver though
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19:30<nsadmin>so you were running nv?
19:30<EmleyMoor>No, nvidia
19:30<aFlag>nsadmin: yeah, I knew it already. I did not know about the changelog inside the package, but I thought there might have been some program that would show me the changelogs without me having to download the package and uncompress it
19:30<gnittor>aFlag, i think synaptic does that
19:31<luks> can some one help me with this?
19:31<nsadmin>aFlag: not saying that's the only way, but it's a reasonable way since you might want to install it once you see what changed
19:32<nsadmin>luks: what part are you having trouble with?
19:33<luks>nsadmin, i cant run frostwire when i try to run it this happens
19:34<nsadmin>so what you're having problems with is understanding what that message is saying?
19:34<newsense>insall java-jre4 or whatever its called
19:34<luks>i got installed java 5 and 6
19:35<newsense>what package name ?
19:36<luks>sun-java5 and 6 and jre packages
19:36<EmleyMoor>I don't think there's anything constructive I could do tonight to this - so I will resume tomorrow
19:36<newsense>luks: got java bin too ?
19:37<luks>i guess...
19:37<luks>apt-get install java-bin?
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19:38<newsense>luks: that should work
19:38<luks>i have it installed
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19:40<newsense>did you check the folders frostwire is looking in for the bin ?
19:40<luks>sorry i did they dont exist
19:41<luks>am i supposed to create some links or something like that?
19:41<luks>how do i do that?
19:41<newsense>ln -s
19:42<nsadmin>man ln for the details of how it works
19:42<luks>but i dont know that to do
19:42<newsense>hold on i got frostwire on my brothers box let me ssh in and see where his java resides
19:42<nsadmin>man ln for the details of how it works
19:42<newsense>yeah do that too
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19:42<luks>newsense, are u trying to install it?
19:42<newsense>no i dont warez
19:43<newsense>my brother has i though on his lenny box
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19:43<newsense>i can help ya locate the bin
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19:43<luks>help me :D
19:43<newsense>im logging in now hold on
19:44<luks>k man thanks
19:47<newsense>sorry slow computer, updating indexes
19:47<nsadmin>learn to help yourself too :P (not wanting to makes you lazy script kiddy)
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19:48<nsadmin>that's not a bad thing... but it changes who wants to help you, and more importantly, who does not
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19:49<luks>sorry i have to go.... but if u find a solution ill come back later and ask u how u did it
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19:49<NotoriuStyle>hy guyz ... i want to know if it is possible to stream videos i have on my debian :)
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19:53<Paladin>ola ?
19:53<Paladin>alguien me lee ?
19:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:54<Paladin>this its for american people ?
19:54<dpkg>en is, like, english
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19:54<chahibi>English speakers
19:54<nsadmin>Paladin: english speaking, not necessarily just (north) american
19:55<Paladin>ok sorry im nex here
19:55<nsadmin>what are you interested in?
19:56<Paladin>im only tested a chat program for my ubuntu
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19:56<nsadmin>works fine :)
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19:57<Paladin>ok i go for debian-es bye guys
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20:01<nsadmin>you can be here if you want to speak english...
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20:09<luks>newsense, im back! did u got frostwire to work?
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20:09<newsense>i found where java was installed to
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20:10<luks>then... do i hav to create a folder and link the files to the folder or something like that?
20:11<newsense>i would assume if frostwire isnt finding java where it expects it to be
20:11<luks>so where is java installed?
20:12<newsense>look in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/
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20:14<luks>yeah it is there
20:14<newsense>luks update-alternatives --config java
20:14<luks>so... mkdir /lib/java and ln -s /lib/java /usr... is that correct?
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20:15<newsense>try that as root and choose java6
20:15<newsense>choose /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
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20:16<luks>great man it worked
20:16<luks>thank you again
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20:17<newsense>np i was afk earlier when ii said i was loking into it and when i got back you were gone, sorry
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20:17<newsense>hi matt
20:17<mattmattmatt>I was wondering if someone could help me out
20:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
20:18<luks>no problem man, thank you again
20:19<mattmattmatt>I am new to linux. I am trying to install the video drivers for my integrated graphics card and I am not sure how to go about it.
20:19<mattmattmatt>I have downloaded the drivers
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20:19<mattmattmatt>But, need help on the procedure
20:20<mattmattmatt>xf86-video-intel-2.4.1 is the driver i downloaded
20:21<luks>if it is an intel chip you shouldnt have problems... nor u should download nothing
20:21<newsense>what card is it mattmattmatt
20:21<newsense>yeah get xorg-xserver-video-intel via aptitude
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20:22<mattmattmatt>it is the i815 i believe
20:22<luks>apt-get install xorg...
20:22<newsense>i have that chip myself
20:22<newsense>yeah get xorg-xserver-video-intel via aptitude
20:22<mattmattmatt>how do I do that
20:22<newsense>man aptitude
20:23<luks>aptitude install and the name of the package
20:23<luks>as root
20:23<mattmattmatt>do I need to open the root terminal
20:23<mattmattmatt>oh k
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20:24<newsense>mattmattmatt: than run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root
20:28<qq>mattmattmatt: but you have the gui / X , isn't it ? , where is the problem ? <<<< do I need to open the root terminal
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20:35<jimisrvrox>hey im trying to put xfce on my machine here and I downloaded the packages and such but when I right click and go to window managers I do not see it there do I have to restart my pc to find where the hell to enable it as my window manager?
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20:39<mattmattmatt>I typed in "aptitude install xorg-xserver-video-intel" and when that was done I typed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it said "xserver-xorg is not installed"
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20:41<qq>than run tasksel and choose what you want
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20:43<mattmattmatt>when I do that it brings up one of the screen i saw when I was installing debian
20:43<mattmattmatt>do I go to manually choose
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20:45<mrtech2122>does anyone know to install a game in wine?
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20:45<mrtech2122>i have the game in the drive already
20:45<mrtech2122>and wine installed
20:46<qq>do wine name_game.exe
20:46<mrtech2122>what is that
20:46<qq>a command ?
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20:49<mrtech2122>ok im kinda dumb at this ..can u be more specific
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20:50<qq>a game must have a file named setup.exe , find it and run wine setup.exe
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20:56<mattmattmatt>i don't know what I did but I had to restart my computer
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20:57<mrtech2122>ok i found the exe..
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20:57<mrtech2122>and u said run it in wine would i about doing that..sorry i just switched over from windows
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20:58<mrtech2122>i dont know what im doing
20:58<mattmattmatt>me neither
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20:59<qq>open a terminal and run " wine /path/to/setup.exe
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21:02<WayneSallee>How do you change directory in terminal mode?
21:03<qq>cd /
21:03<qq>cd ../../../
21:03<WayneSallee>ok so it would be like cd/desktop
21:03<WayneSallee>and then to list directory contents?
21:04<WayneSallee>ok thanks!
21:04<qq>ls -a
21:04<qq>ls -l
21:04<qq>but install and use "mc"
21:05<qq>it's easyer
21:05<qq>sometimes ...
21:06<newsense>midnight-commander f
21:08<qq>apt-get install mc , than run "mc" in a terminal
21:08<WayneSallee>midnight commander?
21:09<WayneSallee>I'm going back and forth between this windows computer and the lynix in the other end of the house :-)
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21:11<WayneSallee>I'm verry new to Lynux. I've installed it on a 300gb usb drive. Trying to set it up so that it will go smoothly from one computer to another.
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21:24<mattmattmatt>I;m still having trouble installing video drivers
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21:24<newsense>mattmattmatt: what the debian intel one isnt working
21:25<mattmattmatt>can anyone tell me again how to install the intel drivers
21:25<newsense>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
21:25<mattmattmatt>and I type that into terminal?
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21:25<newsense>yes as root
21:25<qq>+ xserver-xorg
21:26<mattmattmatt>+ xserver-xorg?
21:26<qq>at least
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21:26<mattmattmatt>where do I put that
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21:26<qq>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg
21:26<qq>do you want gnome ?
21:27<mattmattmatt>it said couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-intel
21:28<qq>than add gnome-core at the end of install line
21:28<newsense>might be xorg-xserver-video-intel
21:28<qq>do first "apt-get update"
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21:28<newsense>no it is xserver-xorg-video-intel
21:30<mattmattmatt>I tryed apt-get update then apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel and got the same reply
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21:30<qq>paste your sources.list
21:30<mattmattmatt>do I put a space between xserver-xorg-video-intel and gnome-core
21:30<newsense>do an apt-cache search video | grep intel
21:31<qq>sure with space
21:32<qq> apt-cache search xserver-xorg
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21:33<newsense>apt-cache search xserver-xorg|grep intel
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21:34<WayneSallee>I'm trying to install ndiswrapper, but I'm stuck at the instruction of ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build I get an error when I enter that in.
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21:36<qq>WayneSallee: install linux-headers `uname -r`
21:36<WayneSallee>How do I do that?
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21:36<qq>apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
21:37<WayneSallee>Ok, I'll type that in.
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21:38<gsimmons>WayneSallee: You really should be using module-assistant to build and install an 'ndiswrapper-modules-*' package for your system.
21:39<gsimmons>!tell WayneSallee -about ndiswrapper one-liner
21:41<WayneSallee>How do I do that?
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21:41<WayneSallee>I'm installing the ndiswrapper to try to get a usb wireless to work.
21:42<newsense>WayneSallee: who makes the adapter ?
21:42<newsense>what model ?
21:43<newsense>there Ralink rt73
21:43<newsense>use that module
21:44<newsense>that one uses ralink chipset doesnt it ?
21:44<WayneSallee>I don't know
21:45<newsense>check that url out
21:45<newsense>use a module if ya can and forget the wrapper
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21:46<newsense>i keep that site bookmarked
21:49<WayneSallee>I just checked that site, and it's suposed to be good. After typing in the command that you recomended, it asked for me to put the netinstall disk in. What's the best way to cancel that out, or close that procedure out?
21:50<mattmattmatt>is installing the drivers manually a really complex process?
21:50<qq>comment the line with cdrom netinstall disk in /etc/apt/sources.list
21:50<qq>WayneSallee: ^^^
21:51<qq>>>>, it asked for me to put the netinstall disk in.
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21:52<newsense>WayneSallee: in your sources.list
21:52<newsense>oh nm qq said that
21:53<WayneSallee>Ok, so ^^^ comments it out?
21:53<qq>WayneSallee: put "#" in front of the line
21:53<WayneSallee>Ok :-)
21:54<qq>and run "apt-get update"
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21:54<jimisrvrox>I forgot the hotkey to switch workspaces
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21:55<jimisrvrox>ok cool thanks
21:55<qq>Ctrl+ Alt + F1 to F6
21:55<qq> back to X > Ctrl+ Alt + F7
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21:57<WayneSallee>run apt-get update before or after installing the driver
21:58<WayneSallee>ok thanks.
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22:00<font-hater>KDE or Gnome - which sucks less on Debian Lenny? I'm trying Gnome, and I'm very disappointed - still can't find a way to turn off timed screen locking; WiFi management is totally unintuitive to put it mildly (still figuring it out). All this useless goodness took 700MB of EXTRA disk space. Is KDE worth giving a try (another 800MB) or does it suck too?
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22:01<gnittor>font-hater, i have both lately i'm using gnome
22:01<gnittor>maybe you should try xfce it's more lightweight
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22:02<Xenguy>font-hater: just try gnome/kde and decide - xfce, and others, are available if you are super picky
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22:03<Xenguy>font-hater: power management I think for the screen locking
22:03<Xenguy>or screensaver
22:03<font-hater>IceVM was OK 2 years ago, but I was looking for something with intuitive WiFi interface, willing to through HD space away, but with Gnome it seems like it only succeeded in eating up the megabytes.
22:04<qq>font-hater: I hate how are you tolking about that free system , made by mans for you for freed you
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22:04<Xenguy>font-hater: try KDE then, that's the next logical step
22:05<font-hater>qq my time is not free
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22:05<mrtech2122>hey people ...i got a transfer error while trying to install sup com can u help me figure out what to do.
22:05<gnittor>kde kas kwifimanager but from what i can remember it's not very good
22:06<tcsetattr>learning to hate Gnome is the first step; learning to hate KDE is the next step; in step three, you will learn that decent system management tools are not graphical interfaces at all.
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22:06<newsense>i never liked it or any network manager
22:06<Xenguy>tcsetattr: hah
22:07<newsense>use iw tools or just use vim and edit /etc/network/interfaces
22:07<font-hater>tcsetattr: I knew that already (not in general, but as far as Linux goes - IRIX had OK management interfaces IIRC)
22:07<gnittor>a friend of mine was using something written py-gtk in ubuntu but i can't remember what it was called
22:07<font-hater>tcsetattr: XP has a decent WiFi GUI too
22:08<gnittor>newsense, when you move around networks, editing /etc/...... is a pain
22:09<font-hater>Here's an example: I try `iwlist eth1` but with Gnome's GUI: how on earth can I do that? I click the "wireless connection" thingie (I think it's netapplet, but it's not easy to tell) - nothing there. wtf?
22:09<font-hater>... I mean iwlist eth1 scanning
22:09<qq>font-hater: the qui is not a problem, the drivers yes
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22:10<qq>in linux, i mean
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22:10<font-hater>qq My WiFi works (I had to install binary Intel drivers with no help from Debian), but the GUI SUCKS!!!
22:10<qq>font-hater: ask the vendor to make linux driver too
22:11<font-hater>huh? Did you read what I said?
22:11<gnittor>font-hater, maybe this will be of help
22:11<font-hater>... and by drivers I mean firmware
22:11<font-hater>the actual drivers are in the kernel
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22:12<qq> had to install binary Intel drivers ...
22:12<qq>why , because are not free !
22:13<qq>so in not a gui problem
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22:14<qq>why in windows works , because vendors do drivers only for it
22:14<font-hater>qq: PITA, but it's been done; the firmware/drivers are no longer the issue
22:15<guillaume>font-hater: use wpa_gui
22:17<guillaume>font-hater: I use it with intel wifi driver in roaming mode without any problem
22:17<mattmattmatt>hey newsense, could it be xf86-video-intel?
22:18<qq>mattmattmatt: not needed
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22:18<mattmattmatt>why isn't it needed?
22:18<font-hater>guillaume: I happen to use WEP (not my choice)
22:19<qq>mattmattmatt: because intel linux driver is ok
22:19<newsense>i think thats the same thing mattmattmatt
22:19<guillaume>font-hater: wpasupplicant manage all type of wifi connection without problem, you can even get many networks on the same place and range them by priority
22:20<mattmattmatt>when i typed apt-get install xf86-video-intel
22:20<mattmattmatt>i get
22:20<mattmattmatt>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
22:20<mattmattmatt>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
22:20<newsense>why is thew xserver-xorg-video-intel not working ?
22:21<mattmattmatt>it doesn't work
22:21<newsense>gotta be root
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22:21<guillaume>mattmattmatt: you must have more than one package manager open maybe
22:21<mattmattmatt>oh yes
22:21<mattmattmatt>i do
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22:22<mattmattmatt>I still get could not find package
22:22<font-hater>guillaume: are you sure `apt-cache show wpasupplicant` talks only about WPA and WPA2
22:22<qq>mattmattmatt: btw there in any xf86-video-intel in debian
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22:22<guillaume>font-hater: Yes I'm :)
22:22<mattmattmatt>that was the name of the driver i downloaded from
22:22<qq>mattmattmatt: paste your sources.list
22:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
22:23<mattmattmatt>what is a sources list?
22:23<font-hater>guillaume: is it text-only? I see that KDE seems to have an interface for it, but apparently no other desktops in Debian.
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22:24<qq>mattmattmatt: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
22:24<guillaume>font-hater: you can manage plaintext or static WEP / IEE802.1X/all wpa and wpa2
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22:28<WayneSallee>Every instruction gives me an error. 2. Compile the driver sources: $ make 3. Install the driver (as root): # make install Do these instructions not work in terminal?
22:28<guillaume>font-hater: I don't know, I open the gui under gnome desktop on sid
22:29<qq>mattmattmatt: what is that sources.list ?
22:29<mattmattmatt>is it right?
22:29<qq> cat /etc/debian_version
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22:30<qq>why ?
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22:31<mattmattmatt>is that not the current version?
22:31<qq>install etch
22:31<qq>sarge is too old man !
22:32<mattmattmatt>what are etch and sarge? (verry newb)
22:32<font-hater>isn't lenny about to become 'stable' in 3 weeks?
22:33<WayneSallee>$ modprobe rt73 [ifname=<name>] [debug=<mask>] [firmName=<file>]
22:34<Xenguy>mattmattmatt: different versions/releases of debian
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22:38<qq>Xenguy: do you belive that mattmattmatt, who use sarge, don't know about that ? i don't !!!
22:38<WayneSallee>$ cd ./rt73-cvs-YYYYMMDDHH/Module
22:39<mattmattmatt>i installed off of floppy disks that then connected to something and downloaded the rest
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22:39<mattmattmatt>is 3.1 old?
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22:40<freddy>hello.. i need some help.. i'm installing debian lenny, but the installation process won't detect my sata lite-on dvd-rom!! what can i do to sucessfuly install debian???
22:40<qq>mattmattmatt: use that to install lenny aka 5.0 >>>
22:42<mattmattmatt>is it an entirely new install?
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22:42<Xenguy>qq: it doesn't really matter
22:42<qq>sure ...
22:43<Xenguy>are you...
22:43<freddy>hello.. i need some help.. i'm installing debian lenny, but the installation process won't detect my sata lite-on dvd-rom!! what can i do to sucessfuly install debian???
22:43<mattmattmatt>i only have a floppy drive on this pc though
22:43<Xenguy>freddy: try something else :-)
22:44<tcsetattr>3.1 is sarge. it was released June 6, 2005 and is unsupported as of April of this year. Debian 4.0 (etch) was released April 8 of last year (503 days ago). now you have the dates, you define "old" however you want
22:45<Xenguy>lenny will be released sooner I'm told
22:45<freddy>xenguy: what else? i can't even install ubuntu!!
22:45<freddy>xenguy: nor opensuse.. don't know what to do here
22:45<Xenguy>freddy: if you do that you'll just end up with debian in the end =)
22:46<Xenguy>freddy: what about a net-install
22:46<Xenguy>freddy: apologies, trying to pay attention but distracted
22:47<freddy>that's the cd i have...
22:47<mattmattmatt>I tried to install ubuntu and xubuntu off some discs a friend gave me and I got errors during some part of the install process
22:47<mattmattmatt>i gave up on it
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22:48<font-hater>freddy: some kernel versions don't support SATA I've heard.
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22:48<Xenguy>mattmattmatt: it's doable on floppy (done it before, but awhile ago now)
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22:49<krt_vzla>xenguy: it's freddy... what should i do to install debian?
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22:50<thecondor>hello my friend, do you know something better that wifi-radar??
22:50<Xenguy>krt_vzla: apologies in advanced, I am whipped! Did you need a floppy install, or ...?
22:50<qq>mattmattmatt: what pc do you have ?
22:51<krt_vzla>xenguy: i have netinstall cd...
22:51<thecondor>hello my friend, do you know something better that wifi-radar??
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22:52<Xenguy>krt_vzla: oh good, that should be straightforward I think
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22:56<krt_vzla>xenguy: yes.. but the weird thing is that when starting the install process, after choosing my language, it says it doesn't detect my cd-rom!1
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22:57<mattmattmatt>i have a 5000 series Compaq
22:58<qq>mattmattmatt: processor , + ram +
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22:58<mattmattmatt>850 mhz p3
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22:58<qq>so add a cdrom
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22:59<Xenguy>krt_vzla: bloody hell
22:59<mattmattmatt>i have a usb stick memory thing. would using that be above my skill level as I am a total noob
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23:00<troppix>hey tengo problema
23:00<troppix>quien me puede ayudar
23:00<qq>troppix: stop that
23:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:01<troppix>tengo problema con el sonido
23:01<font-hater>krt_vzla: this kind of thing happened to me with earlier Redhat/CentOS installers (I have a USB CDROM). Debian seemed fine with it.
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23:02<krt_vzla>font-hater: i have a sata dvd-rom =S
23:04<font-hater>krt_vzla: like I said, some earlier kernels are not OK with SATA; Give Lenny a try, methinks, especially since it's going to be blessed as "Stable Debian" soon anyway.
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23:06<krt_vzla>font-hater: yeah, that's why i downloaded lenny, but it won't work! =S
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23:08<WayneSallee>Looks like they are not done getting all the bugs out of that wireless driver.
23:08<font-hater>krt_vzla: so it's Lenny installer that doesn't reconize your DVD-ROM?
23:09<thecondor>hello my friend, do you know something better that wifi-radar?
23:09<krt_vzla>font-hater: yes. its lenny.. it boots fine, i get into the installer, choose my language, and after that it says it doesn't find any dvd/cd rom drive
23:10<font-hater>krt_vzla: do you have USB and ethernet (for netinstall)?
23:11<qq>krt_vzla: try boot: expert mode , and install from the net
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23:11<font-hater>krt_vzla: and a USB storage thingie?
23:11<krt_vzla>font-hater: yes.. usb flash drive
23:13<font-hater>krt_vzla: I think there should be a way to boot and install from USB flash - I'd search the net or for details (never done that myself)
23:15<krt_vzla>font-hater: i haven't done that either..
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23:16<font-hater>I gotta go, but for all noobs on the channel, read this first: :-)
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23:21<goro>rickbot, you there?
23:21<rickbot>yeah, what?
23:21<goro>i really need some more money, send it asap, k, thnaks
23:21<goro>what the fuck is a rick bot?!
23:21<rickbot>The mecano-erotic configuration has been deleted. A false pretext for existence will follow. Continue [Y/n]?
23:22<goro>yes yes, please!!!!!!
23:22<rickbot>whats a goro?
23:22<goro>i mean: no erotic!?
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23:25<mattmattmatt>Thanks for the help everyone
23:25<mattmattmatt>peace out
23:25<goro>who the fizzy are you?
23:25<goro>you knwo i am the best
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23:41<mattmattmatt>hey. I'm back with another question. When I go to to download a newer debian, what are all the links for next to the different install options. alpha, amd, arm etc....
23:41<rickbot>cpu type
23:41<rickbot>what kind of machine you got?
23:41<mattmattmatt>which cpu type would p3 be?
23:42<rickbot>or i386
23:43<qq>mattmattmatt: use >>> i386
23:43<qq>i mean for lenny
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