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---Logopened Mon Aug 25 00:00:56 2008
00:01<qq>oh , so sadly for missing live-installer
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00:27<Villarroel>Hi!
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00:46<Villarroel>Hi!
00:46<Villarroel>What is the configuration file for QT applications (the equivalent to .gtkrc-2.0)
00:46<Villarroel>?
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00:53<Villarroel>Mmm, I have found qt[34]-config. Maybe this will help.
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00:59<deb>I got some problem with grub, I've managed to install it on a fakeraid jbod, so grub starts when I boot, and then I can find both the kernel and initrd when I'm in consol mode but when I boot the kernel i get "decompressing linux...\n crc error" and I don't think there is a problem with corruption...=/
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01:01<deb>anyone?
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01:14<twb>I do a lot of netinstalls and chroots, so it makes sense for me to make a local debmirror my ISP's (unmetered) Debian archive.
01:15<twb>They have FTP, HTTP *and* rsync. Should I be mirroring via the rsync protocol? If not, why not?
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01:18<superjet_busy>!tell twb about debmirror
01:18<twb>superjet_busy: I'm using debmirror already, as I said.
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01:18<twb>superjet_busy: what I want to know is: which protocol is the "best" to have debmirror use?
01:19<jon_> /nick jon_idlelazybumnotbusynotdoinnuthin
01:19<jon_>oh wait, I -am- busy!
01:19<superjet_busy>twb: rsync is better
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02:16<toclock>hello!
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02:18<toclock>tell me please, where do i find a file where every software installation is logged package manager and make install.....?
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02:21<twb>toclock: /var/log/*/dpkg, IIRC
02:21<toclock>IIRC?? what is thazt
02:21<toclock>that
02:21<toclock>?
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02:21<twb>toclock: however, packages installed by running "make install" in their source tree will NOT be listed there.
02:21<twb>!tell toclock -about IIRC
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02:22<toclock>u know a logfile where make install installations are logged?
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02:31<twb>toclock: there is no such thing
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02:32<twb>toclock: what you should learn from this is: do not use "make install" if there is an alternative.
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02:33<abli>Hi! how can I get a list of packages that are placed on hold in aptitude (i.e. aptitude won't automatically upgrade them)? I found nothing helpful in the aptitude users manual
02:33<twb>aptitude search ~ahold?
02:34<twb>That seems to also list forbidden packages, here.
02:34<abli>twb, ok, thanks. Now where was that in the users manual? :)
02:34<twb>"pattern" ?
02:35<twb>There's two sections that are useful; one is the appendix on command line stuff, and the other is the pattern section
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02:36<abli>oh. ok. Thanks
02:36<abli>It is a bit misleading that this is a "Matches packages upon which the given action is going to be performed" but hold is not an "action", more like a state.
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02:42<twb>Hold *is* an action.
02:42<twb>If you do "aptitude install", which performs all outstanding actions, then held packages will be held.
02:42<twb>It's counter-intuitive, I admit.
02:42<toclock>Could you make an alias syntax for make to log everything?
02:42<twb>abli: the other thing to try would be grep-status from the grep-dctrl package.
02:43<twb>toclock: I would discourage such behaviours.
02:43<twb>toclock: the reason there's a package management system is precisely so that it can tell you what got installed, where, and generally not fuck up your system.
02:44<twb>toclock: doing ANYTHING via "make install" will ignore this infrastructure, meaning that you're operating without a safety net. Trying to make your own safety net out of pocket fluff and wishful thinking is not going to be anywhere near as effective as using the existing infrastructure.
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02:47<toclock>yarp!
02:48<toclock>somebody in here could come handy and tell me if he/she has a tip for logging make installs!..?
02:50<toclock>is there a linux from scratch channel?
02:50<twb>toclock: if you choose to ignore my advice and persist in this stupid approach, a good start would be the "script" utility.
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02:50<twb>toclock: it is provided by the bsdutils package.
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02:51<twb>toclock: http://lfs.sourceforge.net/misc/irc.shtml
02:51<toclock>is there some nice doc for it ?... or tell me how to build packages from source tar balls that would also be an option...
02:52<twb>toclock: this is not an appropriate channel to discuss LFS.
02:52<toclock>so i Asked for the right channel...
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02:53<toclock>ok i got it not enough beer ey?
02:53<toclock>i ll go and get some .. i am done here..
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02:54<lentmoor>has anyone actually heard anything from AbsintheSyringe?
02:54<AbsintheSyringe>lentmoor, what?
02:54<AbsintheSyringe>what do you mean?
02:55<lentmoor>nothing. never heard anything out of you is all
02:55<lentmoor>thought maybe you copped a nod or something on your couch
02:56<lentmoor>...
02:56<lentmoor>or not
02:56<AbsintheSyringe>nah
02:56<AbsintheSyringe>trying to make space in debian-devel world since debconf7, however I think I'm not doing well
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02:57<lentmoor>thought i remembered being able to boot into single-user mode without a password.
02:57<lentmoor>doesn't seem to work now
02:57<lentmoor>i'm securing my GRUB
02:58<AbsintheSyringe>telinit1?
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02:59<lentmoor>? lost me
02:59<morgan`>hi
03:00<AbsintheSyringe>that's how you physically root the machine, go under run init 1, passwd, and there you when it comes to logging in without password
03:00<AbsintheSyringe>morgan`, sup :)
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03:21<AbsintheSyringe>I wanna set up encryption, what encryption can I use so there's need to format my drive?
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03:48<palecoeu>l
03:48<palecoeu>hello
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03:55<palecoeu>hello
03:56<palecoeu>can someone help me with ipset ?
03:56<palecoeu>I have some trouble to install it
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03:56<Ryan52>what happens?
03:57<ricli85>hi, I just applied the last update in debian etch
03:57<palecoeu>Here is the error message I have
03:57<ricli85>now I have some problems with nautilus haning
03:57<palecoeu>Kernel module is not loaded in, cannot verify kernel version.
03:57<Ryan52>ricli85: what all did you update?
03:57<ricli85>any one sle experiencing the same thing?
03:57<palecoeu>when I did ipset -V
03:57<ricli85>Ryan52, is there a way I can check the last updates I applied?
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03:58<ricli85>I just installed whatever was suggested
03:58<Ryan52>ricli85: /var/log/dpkg.log
03:58<Ryan52>ricli85: usually it's a good thing to pay attention to what your doing...
03:58<palecoeu>and when I did ipset -N test iphash, I have "FATAL: Module ip_set not found.
03:58<palecoeu>ipset v2.3.3: Error from kernel: Protocol not available"
03:59<gsimmons>palecoeu: Sounds like you didn't patch your kernel as required. See /usr/share/doc/ipset/README.Debian.
03:59<ricli85>Ryan52, but etch should be stable right and only provide security updates?
03:59<Ryan52>ricli85: it could also be etch and a half
03:59<Ryan52>ricli85: depending on when it was you last updated
03:59<ricli85>Ryan52, and a half?
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04:00<palecoeu>I will have a look on it
04:01<ricli85>Ryan52, the update included a new linux image, libxml, linux headers, python-libxml,
04:01<Ryan52>libxml is probably the culprit...
04:02<Ryan52>but are you sure that that's what caused it?
04:02<Ryan52>by probably the culprit, I mean out of those choices...
04:02<ricli85>i am not sure, but nautilus stopped working after the update I made
04:03<gsimmons>palecoeu: No private messages, please.
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04:03<Braindecay>should i install vtun to get a virtual ethernet device for pptp?
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04:03<palecoeu>sorry, it's the first time I am using irc client
04:03<palecoeu>;)
04:04<Ryan52>ricli85: well, nautilus works for me...and I really doubt that the security team would put in an update that breaks nautilus...
04:04<Ryan52>ricli85: if you run it from the command line do you get the errors?
04:05<ricli85>Ryan52, hold on, I will check
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04:05<ricli85>Ryan52, nothing, it just hangs, no messages
04:06<ricli85>Ryan52, but is it correct that if you run etch, only security updates will come?
04:06<Ryan52>yes, except for etch and a half
04:06<ricli85>what is etch and a half?
04:07<Ryan52>and stable point point releases for that matter
04:07<palecoeu>gsimmons: just to confirm, I have to do runme, then make and make install in the linux source directory ?
04:07<Ryan52>http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf
04:08<ricli85>Ryan52, thanks
04:08<Ryan52>ricli85: http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1
04:08<ricli85>any other tips for troubleshooting?
04:08<Ryan52>ricli85: gives an example of a point release
04:08<Ryan52>ricli85: no idea at all. try strace-ing it
04:08<Ryan52>ricli85: and pastebin the output
04:08<ricli85>Ryan52, how do I trace?
04:08<Ryan52>strace
04:09<ricli85>thanks
04:09<Ryan52>the s is not a type
04:09<Ryan52>apt-get install strace
04:09<Ryan52>strace nautilus
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04:09<Ryan52>err, typo. (for some reason I always typo the word typo)
04:09<Ryan52>:P
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04:11<Ryan52>now, back to reading people complain about the symlink mbf...
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04:11<palecoeu>I still have the problem
04:11<ricli85>Ryan52, seems like I can run nautilus from root but not from my user
04:12<MadHag>Hi I just installed phpmyadmin on my server, how do I access it via the web?
04:12<ricli85>Ryan52, any ideas what might be wrong?
04:12<palecoeu>maybe I made a mistake with applying the patchomatic ?
04:12<Ryan52>ricli85: strace it as your user
04:12<Ryan52>ricli85: and pastebin the output
04:12<MadHag>!phpmyadmin
04:12<dpkg>somebody said phpmyadmin was a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq
04:12<Ryan52>MadHag: setup apache?
04:12<MadHag>sure
04:12<Ryan52>MadHag: check in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin
04:12<MadHag>for what?
04:12<Ryan52>MadHag: it might have some helpful hints
04:12<MadHag>ok
04:13<Ryan52>MadHag: might even be an examples dir with an apache config file in it...
04:13<MadHag>ok, thanks
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04:14<palecoeu>can someone guide me with my ipset problem ?
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04:17<ricli85>Ryan52, http://pastebin.com/d24f6111e
04:18<ricli85>Ryan52, it hangs after that
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04:29<palecoeu>can someone guide me with my ipset problem ?
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04:30<morgan`>!someone
04:30<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
04:31<Ryan52>morgan`: he asked a question somewhere above the netsplit...
04:31<Ryan52>s/a question/a real question/
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04:34<palecoeu>my question is regardinf ipset which is not working on my debian
04:35<Ryan52>palecoeu: that comment provided nothing useful.
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04:35<Ryan52>regarding ipset. got that from the first one. on debian. got that from the fact your talking on #debian.
04:37<Ryan52>palecoeu: did you follow that file in /usr/share/doc that that person told you to look at?
04:37<palecoeu>yes
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04:37<morgan`>Ryan52, ok. Sorry, palecoeu
04:37<palecoeu>I did a runme
04:38<palecoeu>and make, make install on /usr/src/linux
04:38<palecoeu>reboot
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04:38<palecoeu>but the problem still persist
04:38<palecoeu>s
04:38<Ryan52>and your sure that your actually using the built kernel?
04:39<palecoeu>I guess ;)
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04:39<les>!uname
04:39<dpkg>from memory, uname is a cool way to "print system information" (man uname for more info), for basic use, try: uname -a
04:40<palecoeu>after the make install, the system asks me to reboot to use the new kernel
04:40<Ryan52>palecoeu: that doesn't mean that's the one that got used.
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04:41<palecoeu>Ryan52: ok, so how can I be sure to use the new kernel ?
04:41<palecoeu>Ryan52: there is no new entry in grub
04:41<Ryan52>read what les made dpkg say
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04:44<les>palecoeu, are You using initrd?
04:45<palecoeu>I just found 2 entry in menu.lst
04:45<les>!update-grub
04:45<dpkg>from memory, update-grub is a magical Debian system for maintaining the grub menu automatically whenever kernel images are installed and removed (assuming they are built using make-kpkg as they should be). Also might want to man kernel-img.conf, and have a look at the docs in /usr/share/doc/grub , do 'zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz'
04:45<palecoeu>one with 2.6.24, and one with 2.6.24-etchanhalf
04:46<les>when You use initramfs, You need also: update-initramfs -c -k <kernelversion>
04:46<les>but then, You must first create the initrd
04:46<les>and then update grub
04:47<les>or is this a kernel-version, which actually exists?
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04:48<palecoeu>it seems I have several kernel version, and I am booting on the wrong one
04:49<palecoeu>I did update-grub and here is the result
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04:49<palecoeu>Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
04:49<palecoeu>Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default
04:49<palecoeu>Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
04:49<palecoeu>Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
04:49<palecoeu>Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz
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04:49<palecoeu>hello again
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04:51<palecoeu>i did a update-grub, and i have several entry now
04:51<les>!paste
04:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
04:51<palecoeu>i think i was booting on a old version
04:51<palecoeu>sorry :))
04:52<les>yes, but when You have the debian-kernel-config, You need to create a initramfs!
04:53<les>otherwise Your new kernel wouldn't boot
04:53<palecoeu>i didn't know that
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04:54<palecoeu>so i have to do update-grub and initramfs ?
04:55<les>first: update-initramfs -c -k <kernelversion>
04:55<les>second: update-grub
04:55<palecoeu>ok
04:55<palecoeu>i will try ;)
04:56<ihsan>hi
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04:56<palecoeu>the kernel version is found with uname -a ?
04:56<palecoeu>2.6.24 for instance ?
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04:57<les>the current running kernel version
04:58<les>You need the kernel-version, You unpacked in /usr/src/linux
04:58<palecoeu>ok
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05:04<les>to make it clear: with uname You can find out, which is Your current running kernel version (and some more informations)
05:04<palecoeu>ok
05:05<palecoeu>many thanks
05:05<palecoeu>it seems working fine now
05:05<palecoeu>so I was booting on the wrong kernel version
05:06<les>np
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05:08<palecoeu>many thanks to all people
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05:24<artefact>Hi all
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05:25<AzaTht>Does an docbook editor exists?
05:25<artefact>emacs ?
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05:25<AzaTht>for n00bs
05:26<artefact>:-) emacs + nxml-mode is working pretty well. It can complete tags.
05:26<AzaTht>haha
05:27<AzaTht>lets say we are trying to look outside the vim/emacs sphere
05:27<twb>It's not a sphere
05:27<artefact>I am building a package with git-buildpackage. dh_testroot fail in the install-indep part, whereas it works elsewhere, any idea ?
05:27<twb>It's more of a dumpling shape
05:27<AzaTht>hehe
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05:27<twb>artefact: are you using fakeroot?
05:27<artefact>git-buildpackage uses fakeroot, by default
05:28<twb>artefact: please pastebin the typescript.
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05:29<artefact>I had this kind of issue one ago and don't remember the trick. Something with Make magics ;-)
05:29<artefact>http://pastebin.fr/2413
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05:32<artefact>twb: in fact, it fails in the build-arch-stamp, oops
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05:33<twb>artefact: um, that's the rules file, not the typescript.
05:34<twb>I mean run "script -c git-buildpackage" and then pastebin the file "typescript".
05:34<artefact>Hum, ok
05:35<artefact>http://pastebin.fr/2414
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06:08<MadHag>whats the command to see mysql version installed?
06:10<artefact>apt-cache policy mysql-server
06:10<MadHag>ty
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06:11<MadHag>mysql-server:
06:11<MadHag> Installed: 5.0.32-7etch6
06:11<MadHag> thanks
06:11<artefact>you're welcome
06:11<MadHag>cant get phpmyadmin to come up at my domain?
06:12<MadHag>its real simple according to this http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/phpmyadmin.htm and all went well
06:13<MadHag>apache restart maybe?
06:13<MadHag>nah
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07:18<MadHag>what is meant by domain base directory?
07:19<MadHag>where all my sites are stored?
07:19<MadHag>http://ideas.tc/index.php/how-to-install-phpmyadmin-on-debian-etch/ can someone take a look at that and explain it to me , I think I am almost there
07:20<MadHag>looks like the file phpmyadmin has been place in the wrong folder
07:20<MadHag>var/www is empty apart from apache2.conf
07:21<MadHag>and even that file is 0byte
07:22<petemc>that guide is awful, look in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/
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07:22<Guest3444>Hallo
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07:23<Guest3444>Hallo Südtirol
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07:25<ichbins>hallo here we speak german or english ?
07:25<superme>hi everyone. I am on scp transferts. I seach the option that allow to continue the transfert if there are some connection cut of while, as the wget -c.
07:25<superme>The man scp and man cp don't give similare options ... Some ideas ?
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07:25<superme>ichbin: in english, me
07:26<noflash>ichbins, english
07:26<petemc>yse rsync
07:26<petemc>use
07:26<ichbins>can you tell me the chan-name for german users?
07:26<petemc>!de
07:26<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
07:26<ichbins>thx bye
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07:27<superme>petemc: rsync ?
07:27<petemc>yeah, with --partial
07:28<superme>i notice, look the man and come back for the feedback.
07:28<superme>thanx
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07:34<deb>I get crc error when I try to boot.. "Decompressing linux.. \n crc error \n -- system halt". I'm using a copy of the kernel I boot from when using a cd, but the cd uses differen stage files, could this have something to do with it? When I'm in the system booted from the cd the checksum is the same for the kernels on cd and fakeraid disk I'd like to boot from..
07:35<Maulkin>Err...
07:35<Maulkin>How did you install your system?
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07:36*Maulkin is looking confused
07:37<deb>Maulkin: debian netinst
07:38<Maulkin>deb: So... you're not just using d-i because?
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07:41<deb>I love the system I've had, and grub used to be located on a boot partition that isn't around any more, so I had to migrate to another disk..
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07:42<MadHag>sorted my phpmyadmin with this http://munkymorgy.blogspot.com/2008/06/installing-phpmyadmin.html :) thanks
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07:49<Guest3446>hello
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08:38<AzaTht>when you need packages.d.o, it's down :(
08:38<philsf>bug #471670 is closed in bzip2 1.0.5-0.1, which is what I have now. There is 1.0.5-1 available, which should also include the cve fix, but apt-listbugs disagree that this version is greater. what's going on? is this a mistake in how apt-listbugs decides on versions?
08:39<philsf>(btw, I'm using lenny)
08:39<AzaTht>apt-listbugs usually have lots of bugs, though the maintainer argues that it's always debbugs fault
08:42<chealer>philsf: how does apt-listbugs disagree that this version is greater?
08:44<philsf>chealer: by telling me the bug exists in the version to be installed, when the bug is closed in the version I already have (and the one to be installed is greater)
08:45<philsf>it says: grave bugs of bzip2 (1.0.5-0.1 -> 1.0.5-1) <done>
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08:45<philsf>and also: #471670 - bzip2: CVE-2008-1372 buffer over-read via crafted archive file (Fixed: 1.0.5-0.1)
08:46<chealer>philsf: that doesn't mean it's a bug in the bzip2 version to be installed
08:46<philsf>note the fixed message
08:46<philsf>it acks that it's fixed in the present version
08:47<philsf>chealer: well, then I don't know what it means exactly, ok. But it *shouldn't* warn me of a bug already corrected, right?
08:47<philsf>I mean, even if the bug is still open, I'm not affected by it
08:48<philsf>am I missing something here?
08:48<chealer>philsf: it *should* (ideally) not warn you of a bug which isn't a regression, indeed
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08:57<philsf>chealer: I believe this is reflected in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496449, do you agree?
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08:57<philsf>(where is dpkg, and why is it not dumping bug descriptions?)
08:57<philsf>dpkg: wake up
08:57<dpkg>philsf: I'm already awake! :)
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09:05<chealer>philsf: it's very similar, yes. your issue is specifically that prompting about a bug seems to imply that the bug is present in the version to be installed.
09:07<philsf>chealer: thanks, I already included the information in that report. Even if it's just related in effect, it's probably caused by the same issue
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09:21<mohkohn>I have a critical problem on my eeepc
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09:22<Lethalman>i've a problem upgrading perl
09:22<mohkohn>Planet Penguin Racer does not work http://paste.debian.net/15549/
09:22<Lethalman>http://paste.debian.net/15550/
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09:25<Lethalman>could somebody do dpkg-divert --list|grep perl
09:25<Lethalman>?
09:25<Lethalman>it's a read-only operation, no changes will be made :)
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09:29<chealer>Lethalman: no output
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09:29<Shadowdancer>same here
09:29<Lethalman>ok
09:29<Lethalman>which version of perl do you have?
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09:30<Shadowdancer>5.10.0-13
09:30<Lethalman>a!
09:30<Lethalman>apt-file find /usr/bin/perldoc
09:30<Lethalman>?
09:30<Lethalman>it shows me both perl and perl-doc
09:30<Lethalman>and this lead to a problem while upgrading perl
09:31<Shadowdancer>are you upgrading stable?
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09:31<Lethalman>no i'm already on testing
09:31<Shadowdancer>when in trouble or in doubt, install the packages with --force-overwrite
09:32<Lethalman>Shadowdancer, what is shown to you by apt-file?
09:32<Shadowdancer>don't have apt-file installed. dpkg -S: perl, perl-doc: /usr/bin/perldoc
09:32<Lethalman>ah
09:32<philsf>Lethalman: diversion of /usr/bin/perldoc to /usr/bin/perldoc.stub by perl-doc
09:32<Lethalman>philsf, thanks
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09:34<Shadowdancer>"dpkg-divert --list *perldoc" is a better candidate to check that :-P
09:35<Lethalman>ok i've created that diversion manually
09:36<Pepper>is there a upgrade descriptions etch->lenny (I know it's not released)? want to test. any bigger problems?
09:36<Lethalman>Pepper, do you want to upgrade to lenny?
09:36<Lethalman>i've heard there are lots of troubles in this period
09:36<Pepper>Lethalman: yes. so it's consensus to wait?
09:37<Lethalman>Pepper, i've heard that in a blog post, let me check that
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09:37<Shadowdancer>OK, that's a subtle way to show nv the finger. http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~127707,00.html
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09:37<Lethalman>Shadowdancer, upgraded perl without any enforcement ;)
09:37<Shadowdancer>I'm running on testing+unstable all the time
09:38<Pepper>Lethalman: I just wanted to test my systems upgrade. But if there are well known show-stoppers...
09:38<Shadowdancer>just because I find the notion of fixed releases pretty braindead for somethign as dynamic as Linux distros.
09:39<Lethalman>Pepper, http://blog.workaround.org/?p=28
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09:41<Pepper>Lethalman: thx. Is there a upgrade-doc like there was for etch?
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09:41<Pepper>could not find one.
09:41<Lethalman>Pepper, lenny is not out
09:41<Lethalman>it's still testing, it's not stable
09:42<Pepper>Lethalman: I know, but is there none in the process of being written? Just to test...
09:42<Lethalman>i don't know
09:42<Lethalman>there are several docs to upgrade to testing though
09:43<Pepper>Lethalman, thx.
09:43<Lethalman>just add testing and remove stable to sources.list then dist-upgrade
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09:45<Shadowdancer>perl may break, which is a showstopper
09:46<Shadowdancer>#495359 - perl is in an unusable state during etch->lenny dist-upgrade and breaks the upgrade process
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10:01<ja>hello -- does anyone know what a HOP is? tks.
10:01<Shadowdancer>context?
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10:02<ja>in the context of this group. I am supposed to have zero hops. What does that mean?
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10:05<jurek>anyone speak in polish language?
10:05<Gekz>!p
10:05<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
10:05<Gekz>!pl
10:05<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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10:07<ja>Shadowdancer: are you still there? You are supposed to have 3 hops, according to the info
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10:07<benjamin>ja : what info are you talking about?
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10:09<ja>benjamin: I use KVIrc and they show a list of users on the rhs. Point your arrow on top of any name and they show a bit of info about you.
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10:10<benjamin>ja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hop_(telecommunications)
10:10<benjamin>ja : With routing a distance in terms of topology and of a length that may be not specified topographically, i.e. one hop is the step from one router to the next, on the path of a packet on any communications network (on the Internet often discovered with pings or traceroutes). The hop count then is the number of subsequent steps along the path from source to sink.
10:11<benjamin>ja : man traceroute could help too
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10:11<ja>benjamin: tks a lot. So, it's distance rather than number of posts (which is what I had thought).
10:12<benjamin>ja : yes
10:12<benjamin>ja : you re welcme
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10:14<MadHag>how is roundcube coming along with Debian?
10:16<MadHag>!horde
10:16<dpkg>rumour has it, horde is The Horde Project is about creating high quality Open Source applications, based on PHP and the Horde Framework.
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10:34<Shadowdancer>the mention of both "PHP" and "high quality" in a positive combination makes me laugh
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10:37<Shadowdancer>something that's been bugging me for some time: Why the hell do PDF readers like evince and kpdf access and block audio devices?!?
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10:39<Shadowdancer>like http://debian.pastebin.com/d6972998f
10:39<tomas>Buenas, Tengo una pregunta y no se donde preguntar, asi q intento aqui..En el metodo frances(amortizacion de prestamo) el tipo de interes anual, lo convierte en mensual haciendo : i/12. No lo entiendo porque creo q siendo capitalazicion compuesta, el interes mensual lo deberia sacar asi : 1+i=(i+x)^12, donde x seria el tipo de interes mensual.
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10:41<Shadowdancer>!es
10:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:41<lkh>I have an ext3 partition, how can I access the journal file?
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10:43<E0x>lkh: what exactly are you trying do ?
10:44<stevecotton>Shadowdancer: probably so that they can play system beeps, like the Windows critical error beep. Shouldn't be blocking other sound though.
10:45<Shadowdancer>stevecotton: apparently it's a bug between Firefox and Flash
10:45<Shadowdancer>and for some reason, I'm not surprised.
10:45<Shadowdancer>I'm kinda in favor of removing the Flash plugin from non-free
10:45<lkh>E0x, I have a external hard disk formatted as ext3, I want to switch its file system to ext2.
10:46<Shadowdancer>lkh: you can mount a consistent ext3 as ext2
10:46<Shadowdancer>a correctly unmounted ext3 FS doesn't have a journal.
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10:47<astronut>Shadowdancer: that's weird... did you file a bug?
10:47<Shadowdancer>astronut: there are some
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10:47<Shadowdancer>KDE can't fix it, and Mozilla and Adobe generally give a fuck.
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11:02<ForgeAus>how exactly are debian and ubuntu different?
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11:02<ForgeAus>I know they're based on the same package management, and have different release schedules...
11:03<lkh>now I mounted my external disk as ext2, but size=459G while available=436G and the disk is supposed to be empty! why cant I sue thw whoel space?
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11:03<iandeb>ForgeAus, Your question is too complex to be just answered here
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11:04<iandeb>ForgeAus, for short: Ubuntu takes a SID source snapshot, makes a selection of needed pkgs, applies their own patches and recompiles them to their own release repos
11:05<ForgeAus>then essentially ubuntu = sidux?
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11:06<iandeb>ForgeAus, Nope, sidux is pure SID with some small fixes, ubuntu on the other hand just makes a snapshot a freezes packages in their own repos, so that they are not changes until the next release (only updates). Sidux is just a bootable Debian SID LiveCD you can install with custom artwork
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11:07<slush>lkh: probably it's the 5% of reserved blocks for the superuser (man mke2fs)
11:07<iandeb>ForgeAus, As I said, your question is really complex but ubuntu and debian are quite different thing, you can think of ubuntu to be a "child" of debian with lots of modifications in favor of making an easy-to-use OS
11:08<ForgeAus>yeah well I use Kubuntu (and andlinux which is essentially kubuntu embedded using colinux from within windowsXP - kinda analogous to installing kubuntu in vmware)... ... and I do find it easy...
11:10<ForgeAus>even slackware packages that are simple binary ones can be manually extracted pretty much directly into it... not sure about gentoo or rpm stuff...
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11:10<iandeb>ForgeAus, Nice to hear, but I would recommend to install it on a normal Linux partition instead of using it out of windwos
11:10<ForgeAus>iandeb I have both
11:11<ForgeAus>goina get intrepid since my last livecd was feisty...
11:11<ForgeAus>but its still alpha so going to wait some
11:11<iandeb>ForgeAus, I would not recommend to use neither slackware nor rpm, though they work but dpkg does not notice anything if you install your pkgs using e.g. pure binaries
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11:11<ForgeAus>yeah iandeb, scary uh?...
11:11<ForgeAus>you'd think with lsb and all there'd be some kinda package unity in LInux these days
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11:12<ForgeAus>just that some things don't come as .debs unfortunately
11:12<iandeb>ForgeAus, what for example
11:13<iandeb>ForgeAus, Debian is the biggest Linux dist with most packages; if somethings not there, take the source and package it yourself or I will do it, I am making debs
11:13<ForgeAus>uh... nots ure about vmware server now, but there wasn't when I installed it... (may have changed since then)... mostly miscellaneous things... awn-plugins will have a .deb next release (they missed the previous deadline)...
11:14<lkh>slush, thanx that should be it, because originally I formatted it using mkfs.ext3. Do you know what happens if I set it to 0?
11:14<ForgeAus>I don't know of metisse .deb's either
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11:15<iandeb>ForgeAus, don't forget kubuntu does not have all deb debian has
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11:16<ForgeAus>also do .deb's have OR's for dependancies? lotsa stuff if you have KDE installs unnecessay gnome packages :(... like qt-firefox (coming soon) wouldn't fulfill firefox dependancy :(...
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11:16<ForgeAus>mostly I had that trouble with AWN (lotsa gnome dependancies but I use KDE)...
11:17<slush>lkh, depends on what you gonna use it for, if you use it just for data you can set it to 0, but there is more change of fragmentation. The manpage explains what it generally is used for
11:17<ForgeAus>I can understand something like gimp installing half of gnome
11:17<slush>*chance
11:18<iandeb>ForgeAus, gimp does not install half of gnome but rather all gtk libs and the gnome-icons
11:19<ForgeAus>lol I was just using it as an example and since Gnome is based on GTK it would make sense if gimp did install gnome dependancies, that was what I meant to say...
11:19<ForgeAus>but awn should be more wm-agnostic...
11:19<ForgeAus>but I find more and more, gnome dependancies on agnostic programs...
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11:20<stevecotton>ForgeAus: .debs have ORs for dependency, but if none of the options are installed it will always install the first one, rather than working out which will need the least other packages installed.
11:20<lkh>slush, yes it is to be used for data (thats also why I chose ext2 over ext2). I don't understand how it might prevent fragmentation, but I dont know much about filesystems anyway.
11:20<lkh>*ext2 over ext3
11:21<ForgeAus>kewl steve... brb
11:21<iandeb>ForgeAus, and awn seems to be associated with gnome hence it offers gnome-applets; dont bother using other distros like Fedora or openSUSE will give u more probs; APT is stronger than yum or zypper; to make APT searching for the best option with least dependencies you need to configure it manually
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11:24<ForgeAus>iandeb I know rpms are somehow dangerous for .deb-based distros, pkg-src could coexist peacefully but again adept or whatever package manager (ie APT) doesn't know about them like you said
11:24<iandeb>ForgeAus, apt does, adept doesnt and synaptic has also such problems
11:25<ForgeAus>kynaptic is abandoned right?
11:25<ForgeAus>Adept is kewl anyway, no need for it
11:25<iandeb>ForgeAus, APT itself is such a big c++ lib - it can do anything you want in comparison to rpm's yum or zypper
11:26<ForgeAus>Kpackage is kewl too
11:26<ForgeAus>of course finding a .deb is the best solution, but do you recommend alien for .rpms? sofar I havn't installed any... I just extract stuff from them and try to compile it (sofar havn't been sucessful)...
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11:27<iandeb>ForgeAus, yes alien is a good solution if there is no deb
11:27<ForgeAus>anything from mirosoft or novell, etc. don't tend to have .deb's :(
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11:28<ForgeAus>but then they're not likely to be FOSS stuff anyway...
11:28<ForgeAus>at least you can get ati drivers as .debs now :).. thats kewl...
11:28<iandeb>ForgeAus, OK I agree; they will not build anything for free distros but rather for commercial ones like the farmer RedHat, but all you get are just low-quality rpms I also do not recommend to use
11:29<iandeb>ForgeAus, just try to compile a deb yourself if you are able to do so
11:29<ForgeAus>how about yahoo messenger? there was one for linux, (not sure if there is anymore, kopete is about the closest thing, and that doesn't work with multiple Yahoo Identities)
11:29<ForgeAus>iandeb I don't know how
11:30<ForgeAus>I don't think the Yahoo Messenger for Unix is viable anymore anyway since it was roughly equiv to windows v5.x one or so and that isn't functional anymore...
11:31<iandeb>ForgeAus, if there is a source, the easiest way is to use checkinstall (but you will not get a distributable high-quality deb, they will be something like all those rpms)
11:31<ForgeAus>Yahoo doesn't even recognise Konqueror as a browser! lol
11:31<iandeb>ForgeAus, well repot it as a bug
11:31<ForgeAus>(although you can use a user agent in it to get yahoo to work)
11:31<iandeb>;-)
11:32<iandeb>bye @ all
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11:33<ForgeAus>hehe I sent yahoo an email about it :)
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12:02<lkh>how can I mount ext2 external hard disk so that user foo has write permission? right now only root can write and mount -o users doesn't solve it
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12:02<TIBS01>ello
12:02<TIBS01>ive done a bootup disc with min install
12:03<TIBS01>and its stuck on booting kernel
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12:03<cetko>TIB, in what way stuck?
12:03<TIBS01>wot causes this
12:03<cetko>any errors?
12:04<TIBS01>its goin uncompressing linux , ok booting the kernel
12:04<TIBS01>thats as far as it gets
12:04<TIBS01>it did have freebsd on it
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12:05<TIBS01>trying it again
12:05<TIBS01>and wiped cd
12:05<cetko>hm, last time that happened i tried to turn off 90% of kernel modules
12:05<cetko>and compile it
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12:07<TIBS01>graphical
12:07<TIBS01>install is that mean its installing kde
12:07<TIBS01>ahh
12:07<TIBS01>kernel booting now
12:07<cetko>what was the problem?
12:08<TIBS01>no
12:08<TIBS01>its froze again ow
12:08<TIBS01>now
12:08<TIBS01>checking if image is initramfs
12:09<MadHag>TIBS01, why you choose Debian?
12:09<TIBS01>cos freebsd is poo
12:09<MadHag>:)
12:09<MadHag>not tried that one
12:09<TIBS01>i got debian on me other server
12:09<MadHag>ah
12:09<MadHag>Ubuntu is sweet
12:09<TIBS01>and it works fine just aving problems with this
12:09<TIBS01>i hate unbuntu
12:09<MadHag>why
12:09<disgrntld>how do I mount an .img file?
12:10<TIBS01>thats crap aswell
12:10<cetko>maybe the cd was
12:10<cetko>corrupted
12:10<MadHag>geez, no pleasing you is there ;)
12:10<TIBS01>lol nup
12:10<cahoot>MadHag: trying to promote ubuntu here? dream on
12:10<MadHag>I have Deb etch on my server
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12:12<cetko>MadHag, why not upgrading to lenny?
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12:15<MadHag>cuz I dont want to break it, I been setting up for nearly a week :)
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12:16<MadHag>not sysadmin to its tough going for me
12:16<MadHag>server was raw as anything
12:16<cetko>I never had problems just changing the repositories to lenny and updating
12:17<MadHag>when i am a bit more confident I will do it, I like to be uptodate
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12:17<cahoot>cetko: so you've been lucky
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12:17<MadHag>exactly
12:17<cetko>hey, does etch apt-get have autoremove?
12:17<MadHag>yes
12:18<MadHag>apt-get remove if you mean that
12:18<MadHag>apt-get is well cool
12:19<MadHag>although phpmyadmin got dumped into the wrong dir this morning for sum reason
12:19<MadHag>*some
12:19<cetko>no, i mean autoremove, it removes packages left over from a package install and uninstall
12:19<MadHag>not sure about that one
12:19<MadHag>anyone?
12:20<sasha>hi when i plug an usb drive it is automatically mounted but i don t have a desktop icon anymore, in gconf the right icon is checked, further more once i click on the drive in nautilus the desktop icon appear , could you help please
12:20<MadHag>probably a 'show icon' setting somewhere
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12:21<TIBS01>birning
12:21<TIBS01>burning bootup again
12:21<fxiny>cetko: you mean libs ? check deborphan
12:21<fxiny>and use aptitude next
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12:23<cetko>fxiny what's the difference?
12:23<TIBS01>see if this works
12:23<TIBS01>if it dont bugger it
12:23<cetko>between deborphan and autoremove
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12:24<cetko>TIB, try pxe boot
12:24<TIBS01>im still burning
12:24<TIBS01>another bootup cd
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12:25<TIBS01>good job i got 5 machines aint it
12:26<TIBS01>ive been on this for 6 hours
12:26<TIBS01>trying to sort it
12:26<TIBS01>pissing me off
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12:26<cetko>maybe a corrupted iso downloaded, did you try checksum
12:27<TIBS01>nah
12:27<TIBS01>downloaded another iso tho
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12:27<cetko>i also never did it but just on the safe side
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12:28<TIBS01>lol
12:28<TIBS01>just com eup system log deamon
12:28<cetko>what?
12:28<TIBS01>on the old install
12:28<TIBS01>burn complete
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12:28<TIBS01>lets try this
12:29<TIBS01>uncompressing linux
12:30<TIBS01>booting
12:30<TIBS01>shit hot
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12:31<TIBS01>mmmmm
12:31<TIBS01>froze
12:31<cetko>wtf?
12:31<MadHag>maybe you just have to wait a bit
12:32<TIBS01>mmm
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12:32<MadHag>go make a coffee
12:32<TIBS01>checking if image is initramfs come up it is
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12:32<MadHag>apt-get make coffee :)
12:32<TIBS01>lol
12:32<haldoor>what file/configuration detirmines what devices are mounted at boot?
12:33<haldoor>is it fstab?
12:33<TIBS01>theres no hard drive or cd rom lights showing up
12:33<cetko>mount
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12:34<cetko>mtab
12:34<emil>hi
12:34<cahoot>mtab is after the fact - no?
12:34<cetko>fstab is for filesystems
12:34<haldoor>well a partiton
12:34<haldoor>ext2
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12:35<cahoot>haldoor: most probably fstab
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12:36<cetko>fstab lists the ones you want to mount at startup and mtab the ones that are mounted
12:36<cetko>right?
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12:37<TIBS01>mmm this is taking forever to boot
12:37<TIBS01>starting system log deamon
12:37<cahoot>no real need logging the event here
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12:39<TIBS01>if it dont hurrt up
12:39<Thunderbolt>!boot | Thunderbolt
12:39<TIBS01>hurry up im gonna go back to freebsd
12:39<cetko>nooooooooooooooo!
12:39-!-ak_ [~ak@61.245.51.175.er.eaccess.ne.jp] has joined #debian
12:39<Thunderbolt>............
12:39<TIBS01>kernel aint doing shit
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12:40*MadHag gets his book on patience out
12:40<TIBS01>ive sat ere for 10 mins now
12:40<MadHag>I spend more time on the toilet
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12:41<cetko>lol
12:41<TIBS01>omg its doing something the screens gone blank
12:41<Thunderbolt>I love freebsd
12:41<TIBS01>with a curser flashing
12:41<MadHag>its called installing :)
12:41<MaGaO>I'm trying to change a root filesystem from reiserfs to ext3. I made a backup, reformatted the root partition with mkfs.ext3 and dumped the tar backup on it. I changed /etc/fstab so the partition's expected filesystem is ext3. Unfortunately, the kernel insists in looking for a reiserfs partition. Since grub doesn't seem to be telling the kernel anything, does anybody know what I can do to succeed?
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12:42<TIBS01>trying to enable frame buffer
12:42<TIBS01>mmmmm
12:42<MadHag>maybe it doessnt like you looking at it all the time
12:42<cetko>yes, maybe it's shy
12:42*MadHag makes a coffee
12:42<Nemoder>MaGaO: did you rerun grub/lilo?
12:43<MaGaO>Nemoder, I haven't been able to, since the kernel croaks before I'm able to get a shell.
12:43<Nemoder>MaGaO: use a rescue disc
12:43<TIBS01>how longs it take to install
12:44<MaGaO>ok, I'll try it.
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12:44<TIBS01>fineally
12:45<cetko>what, what?
12:45<TIBS01>come up with some menus
12:45<TIBS01>now back to blue screen
12:45<cetko>uh, i got gbumps
12:45<TIBS01>lol
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12:46<cetko>maybe your monitor cable is loose :P
12:46<Nemoder>!tell MaGaO -about fixmbr
12:46<TIBS01>nah
12:47<TIBS01>comming up with menus
12:47<TIBS01>asking wot country im from
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12:48<cahoot>TIBS01: you realize most people here have encountered the diebian installer already?
12:48<TIBS01>hope it aint gonna be this slow on bootup
12:48<TIBS01>its a 1ghz machine
12:48<cetko>lol
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12:49<MadHag>is there a torrent for lenny?
12:49<TIBS01>ahh i know why
12:49<TIBS01>poxy cpu wasnt clocked propper
12:49<TIBS01>ly
12:49<TIBS01>thats better
12:49<TIBS01>woo
12:49<MadHag>!lenny
12:49<dpkg>i heard lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
12:49<TIBS01>quick as fuck now
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12:50<cetko>Hag, there is
12:51<MadHag>have you an url
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12:51*Trenggono Wê£CoMè BåÇk ... åsã£ãmúà£åíkùm Wãrãhmãtù££ãh Wãßãrãkãtùh ࣣ
12:51-!-Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #debian
12:51<cetko>from the official debian page
12:51<cetko>what arch
12:51<MadHag>ok thanks
12:51<Trenggono>huy
12:51<MadHag>i386
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12:52<MadHag>although my machine is amd64
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12:54<lvdebian>.
12:55<TIBS01>mmmm
12:55<TIBS01>errored on some packages
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12:55<TIBS01>installing base system
12:55<MadHag>ok, downloading the first cd of lenny will try it later
12:56<MadHag>not on my server though
12:56-!-Trenggono is now known as mbahe
12:56<cetko>where's your adventure spirit :)
12:56<TIBS01>ok
12:56<TIBS01>now im getting errors
12:56<mbahe>ok
12:57<mbahe>hui
12:57<TIBS01>when im installing packages
12:57<mbahe>zzzzzzzzzzzz
12:57<TIBS01>saying its not on the cd
12:57<mbahe>yes
12:59<cetko>comment the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list
12:59*massmc is downloading freebsd.. to hell with debian! my skype keeps crashing when im wanging my girl on skype
12:59<cetko>you mean banging
12:59<massmc>that too
12:59-!-mbahe is now known as jessika
12:59<MadHag>I cant even start a new skype on ubuntu I have to use 1.4
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13:00<massmc>libs maybe?
13:00<jessika>hey
13:00<TIBS01>ive had so many fucking errors
13:00<TIBS01>with this debian install
13:01<massmc>god knows.. i'm just trying to sound like I know what the deally is
13:01<avu>massmc, if you're using ubuntu, you're in the wrong channel
13:01<avu>erm
13:01<jessika>heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
13:01<TIBS01>its comming up errors when installing base system
13:01<avu>MadHag, ^^^
13:01<jessika>:P~
13:01<massmc>avu, did I say I was using ubuntu?
13:01<cetko>TIB, try commenting the CD-rom line
13:01<avu>massmc, I corrected myself, I meant MadHag
13:01<TIBS01>wot
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13:01<TIBS01>download the whole cd roms
13:01<massmc>kk, your fotgiven my friend
13:01<massmc>forgiven*
13:01<avu>yayness.
13:01<TIBS01>nah
13:01*massmc nods
13:01<TIBS01>too much
13:01<massmc>heh.
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13:02<TIBS01>how i do a netinstall
13:02<MadHag>avu, ubuntu desktop, deb etch on my server
13:02-!-Cyorxamp [~Cyorxamp@212.57.229.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
13:02<cetko>TIB how is inserting # too much
13:02<TIBS01>?
13:02<TIBS01>saying its currupt now
13:02-!-famelix [~famelix@200.223.187.51] has joined #debian
13:02<TIBS01>the package
13:02*jessika slaps debhelper
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13:03<cetko>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
13:03<jessika>zzzzzzzzzzzz
13:03<jessika>KwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKw
13:03<MadHag>ubuntu desktop because it likes my ati card, etch too but a bit of work
13:03<jessika> -Élite-Hacke®-TeaM-
13:03<massmc>tired jessika ?
13:03<avu>MadHag, just keep in mind that ubuntu is offtopic here :)
13:03<jessika>ohh
13:03<jessika>????
13:03<MadHag>sure
13:03<jessika>noo
13:04<jessika>yes
13:04<jessika>i am sure
13:04-!-AzaTht [~azatoth@kr-lun-254-145-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #debian
13:04<jessika>Wä`Älïküm-ܧ-§ääläm
13:04*massmc pulls jessika into his lap and feeds her beer coasters while carressing her head gently
13:04<jessika>Wã`ã£ãíkùmsã£ãm Wãrãhmãtù££ãh Wãßãrãkãtùh
13:04<avu>jessika, stop that
13:04<MadHag>you missed the force in the word jessika :)
13:04<jessika>ok
13:04<MadHag>suurrree
13:04<jessika>plzz
13:04<cetko>lol
13:04<jessika>give me psy
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13:04<jessika>ok
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13:05<jessika>hui
13:05<jessika>give me psyBNC
13:05<avu>jessika, this is not the channel to ask for that.
13:05<TIBS01>6 hours ive been on this now
13:05-!-bricktop [~micha@xdsl-87-78-208-5.netcologne.de] has joined #debian
13:05<jessika>KwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKwKw
13:05<massmc>TIBS01, welcome to debian
13:05<TIBS01>lol
13:05<cogwheel>!ops
13:05<dpkg>[ops] Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
13:05<newsense>jessika: stop that
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13:06<cogwheel>!ops jessika spamming
13:06<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cogwheel complains about: jessika spamming
13:06<cetko>yeah, but most of us gets the installation right
13:06<jessika>give me psyBNC
13:06<jessika>ok
13:06<jessika>oeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
13:06<jessika>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
13:07<jessika>lol
13:07<TIBS01>mmm
13:07<jessika> -Élite-Hacke®-TeaM-
13:07<TIBS01>this is better
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13:07<kloeri>jessika: don't flood
13:07<jessika>not flood
13:07<cetko>yes flood
13:07<jessika>its scrip
13:07<lvdebian>crazy
13:07<jessika>cetko
13:07<jessika>wew
13:07<bricktop>hey there. does anyone know this problem: if you change from XServer to a console and back again the screen is flickering and i have to restart the Xserver? System: debian etch (KDE); graphics card: ATI X700 mobility (3D with fglrx is working),
13:08<Shadowdancer>my usual Linux experience is: (1) get frustrated about a bunch of problems that didn't get fixed in over 5 years, (2) take a look at Windows, (3) browse the Apple webstore :-D
13:08<jessika>yuo crazi
13:08<jessika>yuo crazy
13:08<jessika>you crazy
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13:08-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
13:08<TIBS01>ffs
13:08-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*admin@125.163.214.*] by weasel
13:08-!-jessika was kicked from #debian by weasel [jessika]
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13:08<TIBS01>wont install the base system
13:08<stevecotton>thanks weasel
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13:08<cetko>thanks
13:09<stevecotton>thanks cogwheel too
13:09<Shadowdancer>oooh, the Kernel bug I filed has been marked as a regression, and has one CC. Screw Facebook friends, bug CCs are the new cool thing!
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13:11<TIBS01>apt-get
13:11<TIBS01>aint it the install packages
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13:13<TIBS01>ok
13:13<TIBS01>lets see if the fucker boots
13:13<TIBS01>installed but with limited packages
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13:15<TIBS01>right
13:15<TIBS01>how do i install packages
13:15<TIBS01>from the net
13:16<MadHag>install magic wand
13:16<cetko>lol
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13:16<slush>Tibs, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/
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13:17<TIBS01>mmm
13:17<TIBS01>ssh aint even installed
13:18<TIBS01>apt-get ssh
13:18<TIBS01>aint working
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13:18<avu>TIBS01, read at least *some* documentation :(
13:18<MadHag>I think its why etc is a good server
13:18<MadHag>*etch
13:19<cetko>apt-get install openssh-server
13:19<TIBS01>its trying to install
13:19<TIBS01>from my cd rom drive
13:19<cetko>COMMENT THE FUCKING LINES MENTIONING CDROM IN /etc/apt/sources.list
13:19<disgrntld>lol
13:20<cogwheel>heh
13:20<disgrntld>count to 10..
13:20<MadHag>I guess swearing not a problem here heh!
13:20<TIBS01>n add wot
13:20<TIBS01>sites to download from
13:20<cogwheel>TIBS01, you were given http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ ..
13:20<TIBS01>it sshit
13:20<MadHag>I saw that as well
13:21<TIBS01>dont tell u nothing
13:21<cogwheel>sure it does
13:21<cogwheel>you just have to *read*
13:21<slush>good luck with linux then, if you don't have the courtesy to read :)
13:21<cetko>RTFM
13:21<MadHag>TIBS01, I would think apt-get update and apt-get upgrade first though
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13:21<chealer>cetko: please watch your language
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13:22<cetko>told hit four times to comment the line...
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13:22<Ryan52>He's right. the index doesn't tell him anything. he also has to learn how to click the links.
13:22<cetko>*him
13:22<TIBS01>says 0 upgraded 0 newly installed
13:22<cetko>ok
13:22<disgrntld>well no one said click the links!
13:22<TIBS01>now wot..
13:22<cogwheel>Ryan52, oh yes forgot that.
13:23<cetko>sudo apt-cache search openssh-server
13:23<cogwheel>TIBS01, read the manual and you'll know what to do..
13:23<cogwheel>cetko, you don't need sudo to search
13:23<MadHag>TIBS01, what programs do you want
13:23<TIBS01>i know wot todo i just dont know the urls to put in
13:23<cetko>whoops
13:23<cetko>he probably doesn't even have sudo
13:23<cogwheel>heh
13:23<TIBS01>hnup
13:23<TIBS01>nup sudo aint in
13:23<slush>disgrntld: lol :)
13:24<cetko>ok, ok switch to root
13:24<slush>tibs, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
13:24<MadHag>TIBS01, http://packages.debian.org/
13:24<TIBS01>deb packages.debian.org
13:24<TIBS01>see if that works
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13:24<cetko>htt://ftp.hr.debian.org
13:24<painiac>j #linhelp
13:25<WayneSallee>I set up debian on a usb hard drive, and have the computer set to boot from the floppy. How do I read and edit the boot code on the floppy?
13:26<TIBS01>malformed line 3
13:26<TIBS01>in sources
13:26<Ryan52>TIBS01: deb http://ftp.hr.debian.org etch main
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13:26<Ryan52>TIBS01: oops, looks like it's this: deb http://ftp.hr.debian.org/debian etch main
13:27<TIBS01>ok and the other two urls
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13:27<TIBS01>sources aint they
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13:27<cetko>those are alright
13:27<cetko>probably
13:27<TIBS01>ok
13:27<TIBS01>same thing
13:27<cetko>now apt-get update while root
13:28<TIBS01>e: malformed line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
13:28<cetko>what does it look like
13:28<Ryan52>TIBS01: what do you have on line 3?
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13:29<TIBS01>deb http://packages.debian.org
13:29<lkh>I have reformateed my external harddisk as ext2 (it came with NTFS) now when I do fdisk -l under Syetem it still says HPFS/NTFS, why is that so?
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13:29<slush>TIBS01: $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
13:29<slush>deb ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib
13:29<slush>deb-src ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib
13:29<slush>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
13:29<slush>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
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13:29<avu>lkh, because fdisk queries the partition type in the partition table not the actual file system used on the partition
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13:30<avu>lkh, and you probably didn't change that
13:30<Ryan52>TIBS01: that's not what I told you to put in
13:30<avu>lkh, shouldn't matter though
13:30<lkh>avu, no i didnt. how can i change that?
13:30<Ryan52>TIBS01: that's not what any body else told you to put in
13:30<avu>lkh, in fdisk :)
13:30<fxiny>hmmm : security non-free ? hmm^32
13:30<avu>lkh, as I said, shouldn't matter though.
13:30<WayneSallee>How can I set up the usb drive to boot without the need of the flopy since I already have debian installed?
13:30<lkh>avu, ok thanx
13:31<erKURITA>WayneSallee your motherboard must support USB Booting
13:31<Ryan52>TIBS01: deb http://ftp.hr.debian.org etch main
13:31<WayneSallee>It does support usb booting.
13:31<Ryan52>TIBS01: deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main
13:31<fxiny>lkh: what id fdisk -l reports ?
13:31<WayneSallee>I've been using the usb debian on different computers too.
13:32<lkh>fxiny, 7
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13:32<slush>fxiny: hmm, now you mention it
13:32<WayneSallee>I was having truble getting it to boot after install, so I reinstalled with boot set for floppy. But I'd like to edit things to that it will boot without the floppy.
13:33-!-mode/#debian [-bo *!*admin@125.163.214.* weasel] by weasel
13:34<TIBS01>working
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13:34<TIBS01>apt-get update
13:35<TIBS01>instaling sudo
13:35<Ryan52>why?
13:35<fxiny>lkh: sure you formatted it right ? you can run fdisk > x e(x)pert mode to fix it
13:35<Ryan52>I thought you were trying to install something else...
13:35<TIBS01>yer
13:36<TIBS01>might aswell get sudo
13:36<Ryan52>ya
13:36<Ryan52>I guess...
13:36<fxiny>slush: ;)
13:37<slush>fxiny: the website says nonfree too, tho ;p
13:37<WayneSallee>How can I view the boot code that is on the floppy?
13:37<enouf>fxiny: no porbs!
13:37<enouf>;-)
13:37<TIBS01>mmmm
13:37<fxiny>enouf: hey !
13:37<lkh>fxiny, I formatted using mkfs.ext2
13:37<fxiny>enouf: no prbs :)
13:37<TIBS01>now got sudo installed
13:37<TIBS01>how i use it
13:37<enouf>WayneSallee: use a hexviewer
13:37<enouf>WayneSallee: xxd, hexdump, od, etc
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13:38<WayneSallee>so go to the command line and type xxd, hexdump, od, etc
13:38<WayneSallee>?
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13:38<enouf>WayneSallee: xxd /dev/fd0 | less
13:38<enouf>WayneSallee: hexdump -C /dev/fd0 | less
13:38<fxiny>slush: which website ?
13:39<WayneSallee>ok thanks.
13:39<fxiny>enouf: ohh that sweet :)
13:39<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How do you see what version of Debian you have via the console?
13:40<slush>fxiny: http://www.debian.org/security/
13:40<enouf>fxiny: ;-) try this; strings /dev/mem | grep 'Server:' O_o
13:40<fxiny>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: cat /etc/debian_version
13:40<enouf>fxiny: ;-) try this; strings /dev/mem | grep 'Server:' | less even
13:40<fxiny>enouf: strings ! so sweet :)
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13:41<enouf>fxiny: music to my orchestral ears ;-)
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13:42<fxiny>enouf: 15-Symphony No.40 in G minor KV550 :)))
13:42<fxiny>slush: right
13:42<enouf>hahaha
13:42<slush>;)
13:43<fxiny>why on earth is this line on http://www.debian.org/security/ ?
13:43<lkh>fxiny, how do I get to fdisk expert mode?
13:43<fxiny>i knew free and contrib were not supported by the sec team
13:43<enouf>lkh: expert mode?
13:44<enouf>lkh: you type just fdisk as root
13:44<lkh>enouf, oh ok so not with sudo
13:44<enouf>well, sudo should work as well
13:44<fxiny>lkh: fdisk /dev/hdxxx . it will print "Command (m for help):"
13:44<enouf>right, sorry - yep
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13:45<enouf>lkh: what's the issue? want to try cfdisk? sfdisk?
13:45<enouf>how about parted ? ;-)
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13:45<fxiny>lkh: my bad > t > t change a partition's system id
13:46<enouf>that's real easy in cfdisk too
13:46<lkh>enouf, just want to change System type of an ext2 partition from HP/NTFS to linux
13:47<fxiny>enouf: look uo in the loft corner
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13:48<Otixa>Heya
13:48<fxiny>enouf: ot
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13:49<enouf>fxiny: you have parted installed? try this "parted /dev/hdaX" ,then type "unit" <enter> , then "B" <enter>, then "print" ;-) then "quit"
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13:49<fxiny>enouf: ok . but you still not reading my ot
13:49<fxiny>enouf: :)
13:50<lkh>fxiny, I did fdisk /dev/sdb1 > t it says: No partition is defined yet!
13:50<fxiny>kanru: seen ?
13:50<fxiny>ops
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13:50<fxiny>lkh: seen ? you did not partiton it properly , fdisk -l is right. see what enouf is writing
13:51<fxiny>enouf: is parted krapfenware of doughnutsware ?
13:51<enouf>haha
13:52<fxiny>enouf: :)
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13:54<lkh>fxiny, so how should have I format/partitioned properly it in the first place? mkfs.ext2 is no good?
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13:55<fxiny>lkh: dunno what happened. try : mkfs -t ext2 /dev/
13:56<enouf>lkh: cfdisk /dev/name ; then move cursor over to [type], then enter 83, then [write]
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13:58<slush>fxiny: it even exists on the ftp
13:58<lkh>enouf, there is no [type] button. there are [help] [new] [print] [quit] [units] [write]
13:58<enouf>lkh: in between [quit] and [units]
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13:59<fxiny>slush: i'm still puzzled
13:59<enouf>otherwise your cfdisk is not a real one
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13:59<enouf> [Bootable] [ Delete ] [ Help ] [Maximize] [ Print ] [ Quit ] [ Type ] [ Units ]
13:59<enouf> [ Write ]
13:59<lkh>no i dont have [bootable] [maximize] [type]
14:00<lkh>cfdisk (util-linux-ng 2.13.1.1)
14:01<enouf>just use fdisk then or something - how about gparted livecd?
14:01<lkh>is there another cfdisk? can i do the same in parted?
14:01<enouf>~$ cfdisk -v
14:01<enouf>cfdisk (util-linux-ng 2.13.1)
14:01<slush>fxiny: they don't support it, but if there are fixes then they process it, given someone provide a correct updated package
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14:01<fxiny>lkh: is it external ?
14:02<TIBS01>ok
14:02<TIBS01>im aving problems
14:02<TIBS01>im trying to install apache
14:02<TIBS01>and it aint finding it on apt-get
14:02<lkh>fxiny, what the hard disk? yet it is an external USB hard disk
14:02<enouf>lkh: wait
14:02<fxiny>slush: ahhh , i remember that , nothing new :)
14:02<enouf>lkh: do cfdisk /dev/hda .. not hda1
14:02<slush>hehe :)
14:03<TIBS01>can't find mysql either
14:03<enouf>lkh: or whatever your drive name is, exclude any/all partition numbers
14:04<lkh>enouf, yes! yes! now I see the [type] button :)
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14:04<enouf>bingo ;-)
14:04<fxiny>!beer enouf
14:04*dpkg pours a quart of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for enouf
14:04*enouf chuggalugs :-)
14:05<enouf>TIBS01: which version of debian?
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14:06<fxiny>enouf: yes ! you broke the spell :)
14:06<enouf>weird .. lmao
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14:07<fxiny>it's all right , all right :P
14:07<slush>lol
14:07<lkh>enouf, fxiny, thanx a lot. it worked and now fdisk -l says Linux as it should
14:08<enouf>lkh: np - double check using file -s /dev/sda1 or whatever
14:08<enouf>(i mean, as far as seeing, showing the FStype)
14:08<enouf>this time, you do add the partition number
14:09<lkh>/dev/sdb1: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data (mounted or unclean)
14:09<enouf>bingo
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14:13<MartinVW>I've broken my apt... tried to install linux-image-2.6-686, but when debconf came up with that horrible editor interface, I quit the editor to change it to dialog. Now it won't install the kernel anymore:
14:13<MartinVW>E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)
14:13<MartinVW>E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?
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14:15<MartinVW>Tried everything, aptitude clean, rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*, rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*, tried to remove, reinstall, install the package, it's dependencies...
14:15<enouf>MartinVW:
14:15<enouf>try dpkg-reconfigure debconf
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14:15<Deepy>I've installed apache and suexec/suphp, then I updated it and suexec/suphp stopped working
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14:16<enouf>and why on earth would you do all those other things?
14:16<MartinVW>desperate? :)
14:16<Deepy>[Mon Aug 25 20:10:41 2008] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec)
14:16<MaGaO>Does anybody know why Linux 2.6.24 will freeze on an AMD64 after a bit of having Internet connectivity?
14:17<MaGaO>(oh, I'm using the stock kernel on testing, just in case you are interested).
14:17<enouf>is stock kernel now .25-2 ?
14:17<Deepy>a php script owned by user deepy and group deepy gives this on a passthru("whoami");
14:17<Deepy>www-data
14:18<MartinVW>I did 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' again now, chose dialog/medium, but the issue persists.
14:18<enouf>Deepy: something with PAM breakage?
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14:18<Deepy>PAM breakage?
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14:18<enouf>MartinVW: choose something that works
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14:18<enouf>MartinVW: not dialog
14:19<enouf>for whatever reason, yours is broken
14:19<enouf>and wtf is ' ?
14:19<MaGaO>enouf: true, right now it is already .25, but last time I checked .25 it froze too. 2.6.18 works with no problems, though (it's what I'm using right now)
14:19<Deepy>[Mon Aug 25 20:13:00 2008] [error] [client (my IP were in here)] script '/var/www/whoami.php' not found or unable to stat
14:19<Deepy>:o
14:19<deafpanda>can anyone help me - i'm trying to install debian and i get the error: "bad archive mirror: the specified debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it"
14:19<deafpanda>that happens whatever mirror i pick
14:20<MadHag>maybe the mirrors are down?
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14:20<MaGaO>MadHag, at least ftp.fi.debian.org isn't, I'm upgrading right now.
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14:20<MadHag>:)
14:20<slush>which mirrors, deafpanda
14:21<MartinVW>I don't think dialog is the problem here...
14:21<deafpanda>all of the uk mirrors
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14:21<enouf>ok, then you fix it ;-)
14:21<deafpanda>that are listed in the graphical installer, anyway
14:21<MaGaO>deafpanda, try ftp.fi.debian.org,
14:21<MartinVW>It looks like it tries to install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686, but the deb file isn't there and it won't download it.
14:21<deafpanda>ok
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14:21<TIBS01>right
14:21<TIBS01>i got it installed
14:21<TIBS01>i can ssh it
14:21<Deepy>enouf, how would I solve PAM breakage?
14:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 367] by debhelper
14:22<MaGaO>MartinVW, 2.6.18 is at security.debian.org updates, IIRC
14:22<TIBS01>it wont auth me
14:22<enouf>MaGaO: there could be many issues - sometimes certain boot params will overcome it .. what do the logs tell you - and what kind of NIC?
14:22<MadHag>anybody got a copy of directadmin I can have :)
14:22<enouf>Deepy: not sure - check your a2enmod settings?
14:22<slush>haha, MadHag
14:22<Deepy>a2enmod?
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14:22<enouf>man a2enmod
14:23<Deepy>ah
14:23<enouf>Deepy: i don't know much about apache at all, sorry
14:23<MaGaO>enouf, it is a Realtek 8139 (the 8139cp module drops it on 8139too's lap at startup)
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14:23<MaGaO>I though it was a problem related to some package, but it happened again when I ran from the Debian Testing AMD64 DVDs too, so...
14:23<enouf>MaGaO: so does lsmod show both are loaded?
14:24<enouf>ran from?
14:24<deafpanda>ftp.fi.debian.org doesn't work for me either :(
14:24<TIBS01>erm
14:24<slush>deafpanda: can you resolve anything?
14:24<TIBS01>why wont it let me log into ssh
14:24<TIBS01>i know my password
14:24<deafpanda>i'm not sure how to try from the graphical installer?
14:24<deafpanda>sorry, i'm quite new to lionux
14:24<Deepy>enkrypt, www-data :-)
14:24<Deepy>Still not solved
14:24<MaGaO>enouf: I started the system from Debian DVD in order to rescue it (see previous conversation about converting reiserfs to ext3)
14:25<MartinVW>I think I got it...
14:25<slush>deafpanda: open browser, type any url
14:25<MaGaO>and it managed to download linux 2.6.18 before freezing.
14:25<enouf>MaGaO: oh .. i missed all that
14:25<enouf>MartinVW: the winner is?
14:25<deafpanda>slush, i'm in the debian graphical installer
14:25<MartinVW>wait a second, I'm not quite there
14:25<deafpanda>ie to set up the OS
14:25<enouf>haha
14:25<slush>oh, this graphical installer :)
14:25<deafpanda>:)
14:25<slush>s/this/that/
14:26<enouf>MaGaO: listen, if your only issue is NIC modules, /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs
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14:26<MaGaO>oh
14:26<enouf>MaGaO: if one is interfering with the other - both those shouldn't be loaded, afaik
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14:27<MaGaO>enouf, ok. I'll try and remove 8139cp from the 2.6.24 module tree (it doesn't make a fuss on 2.6.18, though)
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14:27<slush>deafpanda: did the network detection work?
14:27<fxiny>TIBS01: connection refused ?
14:27<MartinVW>aah, friggin' finally. I did aptitude download linux-image-2.6.18-6-686, installed the file with dpkg --install, and then ran aptitude install.
14:27<MartinVW>that fixed it.
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14:27<enouf>MaGaO: you just need to blacklist it in the initrd
14:27<enouf>not remove it from any module tree
14:27<deafpanda>i'm using static ip
14:27<linux>debian.de ?
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14:27<enouf>MaGaO: run aptitude install -f
14:27<deafpanda>network is fine on windows
14:27<enouf>erm
14:27<deafpanda>with same settings
14:27<enouf>MartinVW: run aptitude install -f
14:28<enouf>to clean up
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14:28<MaGaO>ok, trying..
14:28<MaGaO>I'll be back in a bit.
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14:28<MartinVW>that did nothing more.
14:28<MartinVW>looks fine now
14:28<slush>deafpanda: hit alt+f2, type 'ping www.debian.org', hit alt+f1 to get back at the installer
14:29<enouf>ok - well now go see what -f does ;-) MartinVW
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14:29<MartinVW>fix-broken. I - in fact - read the manpage before executing that.
14:29<slush>if the ping doesn't work, you don't have networking on the machine you are installing
14:29-!-shivraj [~shivraj@cpe-74-66-94-205.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
14:29<slush>(or it cant resolve) :p
14:30<shivraj>I ordered and Nvidia 8500 gt card to replace an ati radeon x1900 .. will I noticed a big difference in xorg ?
14:30<enouf>MartinVW: it was a 'just in case' .. to tidy up any loose ends
14:30<MartinVW>ah, ok.
14:30<enouf>MartinVW: now, update to try and undo whatever you did to ytour /lists, etc
14:30<MartinVW>But still, I was right. dialog wasn't the culprit :p
14:30<deafpanda>i get /bin/sh: ping not found
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14:31<MartinVW>did that already, looks fine too.
14:31<enouf>MartinVW: well, after all those other things you did .. haha .. anyway, what do you think was the culprit?
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14:31<slush>hmm, *trying to remember installer screens*
14:32<enouf>doing a workaround via direct d/l doesn't fix anything that might be broken
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14:32<MartinVW>When exiting the editor, debconf assumed I answered yes to the Configuring linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 - I repeat, You need to configure your boot loader - Do you want to abort now? question. For whatever reason, maybe a CTRL+C, it left the kernel (meta)packages broken.
14:33<MadHag>slush, http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=Debian%20Etch%204.0
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14:33<MadHag>slush, actually, not much there
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14:33<enouf>MaGaO: also, /msg dpkg bootlogd and enable it, so you can review the resultant /var/log/boot file later
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14:34<MaGaO>enouf, it seems to work now. As far as I see, there seems to be something wrong about the 8139cp.ko on the module tree. Even more interesting, I renamed it and it still shows as loaded
14:34<MadHag>http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=Debian%20Installer%20etch%20RC2
14:34<MaGaO>anyway, it apparently works, so I'll try installing 2.6.25
14:34<MaGaO>enouf, what were you telling me about blacklists?
14:34<enouf>MaGaO: i told you NOT to try and remove it from the tree, nor rename it
14:35<MaGaO>enouf, I know. But it loaded from somewhere else, apparently. And it works, for the time being.
14:35<enouf>the factoids are 'blacklist-initramfs' and 'blacklist'
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14:35<MaGaO>ok, thanks. I'll read about them.
14:35<deafpanda>hmm
14:35<MaGaO>back to do more testing.
14:35<deafpanda>just tried reconfiguring the network settings
14:35<MaGaO>thanks for all the help.
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14:36<deafpanda>it says
14:36<deafpanda>interface = eth0
14:36<deafpanda>i'm using wireless
14:36<deafpanda>is that wrong?
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14:37<TIBS01>erm
14:37<TIBS01>how do i change the root pass
14:37<TIBS01>done itr
14:38<MadHag>deafpanda, I think there is your problem buddy
14:38<MartinVW>TIBS01: as root, passwd
14:38<MadHag>got a cable handy :)
14:38<slush>deafpanda: try good old-fashioned a utp cable :)
14:38<slush>-a
14:38<deafpanda>is there a way to get it to recognise my wireless adaptor?
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14:39<MadHag>deafpanda, just wire it up
14:39<deafpanda>okay
14:39<deafpanda>back in 10
14:39<deafpanda>thanks for your help
14:40<MadHag>its amazing what one snippet of info can do
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14:41<slush>reminds me of customers... "My mail is 'stuck' and I didnt change anything"
14:42<slush>one day later they tell that they reinstalled outlook
14:43<MadHag>or they give loads info about their pc and after a few hours you find out they are not on their pc
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14:49<foxdie>Hi, I've done a fresh install of debian lenny beta 2, and, oh, surprise, I have some troubles
14:49<foxdie>first of all, if I press Caps Lock, "c" and "e" keys aren't capitalized
14:49<foxdie>all the other keys work fine
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14:50<foxdie>and the second thing, is that if I put symbols on my password, I cannot get root privileges with su in kde
14:50<foxdie>but in a tty all works fine
14:51<E0x>look like problem with the encode
14:51<foxdie>the locales are in spanish-spain
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14:52<foxdie>E0x, I've done an "aptitude search encode" and I've nothing installed with *encode*
14:52<E0x>try change ( u can use the same password ) from a terminal in KDE and then try su in kde again
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14:52<E0x>foxdie: i mean unicode not encode
14:52<E0x>sorry
14:53<foxdie>ah, ok
14:53<foxdie>well, I've done that
14:53<foxdie>and now I can do su in kde :)
14:53<Otixa>ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
14:53*Otixa implodes
14:54<Otixa>:/
14:54<E0x>foxdie: cool , the C and E problem i don't known sorry
14:54<foxdie>but, of course, I cannot login on a tty now :S
14:54<E0x>you can CAP it with shift ?
14:54<foxdie>yes, with shift all is ok
14:54<E0x>foxdie: change the tty unicode with the same used in KDE
14:54<Otixa>I can't get the intel drivers to work, no matter what I do. Been trying for about 7 hours now :/
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14:55<Otixa>Any help would be greatly appreciated :|
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14:55<foxdie>E0x, can you explain it more, please? I come from a Gentoo (3 years using it), and I am a bit lost in debian
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14:56<E0x>foxdie: in kde do echo $LANG
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14:56<E0x>in the tty do echo $LANG
14:56<E0x>are dif?
14:56<foxdie>nope
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14:57<Otixa>Anyone? :<
14:57<foxdie>sorry Otixa, Nvidia here
14:58<Otixa>Oh well, thanks anyways :/
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15:00<MadHag>Otixa, whats your problem?
15:01<Otixa>Well, I can't get xorg to run with intel/i810 drivers
15:01<Otixa>Only vesa works :<
15:02<Otixa>And I'm losing hair at a dangerous rate
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15:02<MadHag>http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=intel%2Fi810+drivers+%2Bdebian&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
15:03<MadHag>try that for starters
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15:04<Otixa>Already read most of that stuff
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15:05<MadHag>getting my ati card to work was not that easy in etch but I kept at it and sorted it in the end
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15:07<TIBS-laptop>ello
15:07<TIBS-laptop>what other package managers debian got
15:08<slush>Otixa: nothing in logs, 'Xorg -configure' doesnt produce a working config?
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15:08<mastroquet>hi everyone here
15:09<Otixa>slush, I'll pastebin the log in a sec. And no, no working config from it, except one that uses vesa :C
15:09<slush>TIBS-laptop: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html
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15:11<MadHag>Otixa, you on a laptop, if so what make and model
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15:11<Otixa>Acer Aspire One - Just got it 3 days ago ;/
15:11<MadHag>model?
15:11<Otixa>ZG5
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15:12<ppman>hello all
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15:13<MadHag>Otixa, http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/user.html browse through that a bit
15:13<ppman>I am (now) the maintainer for read-edid, and I just released a new version. What's the best way to communicate this to the debian devs?
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15:16<MadHag>Debian Works with X driver i810, 1280x1024x24bpp
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15:16<micaelmello>coração
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15:16<TIBS-laptop>ello
15:17<TIBS-laptop>wots the button to install
15:17<TIBS-laptop>software
15:17<TIBS-laptop>using aptitude
15:18<MadHag>:)
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15:23<MadHag>Otixa, your laptop is Linux compatable mate so keep at it
15:24<Otixa>I know, that's what makes it even worse :/
15:24<Otixa>I know for a fact that it CAN work, but it just doesn't
15:24<Otixa>But yeah, I'm not giving up
15:24<MadHag>http://bigblog.com/open_source/acer-aspire-one-zg5-linux--1533705943.html
15:24<MadHag>should be a doddle
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15:32<cetko>okay, I'ma back, just obliterated my roomate in starcraft :D
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15:42<TIBS-laptop>u know in aptitude
15:42<TIBS-laptop>how do i search
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15:47<TIBS-laptop>mmmm0r
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15:49<astronut>can someone point me to a fat32 undelete utility? my brother decided to delete his homework (me, i think it was that he hadn't done it and is using the excuse but ya)
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15:52<TIBS-laptop>right
15:53<TIBS-laptop>how do i search for a package in aptitude
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15:53<les>\/
15:53<les>slash
15:53<Nemoder>TIBS-laptop: forward slash
15:54<slush>TIBS-laptop: ctrl+t, search
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15:54<Nemoder>astronut: there is a CLI program called magicrescue that might work
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15:54<slush>TIBS-laptop: or on command line, aptitude search whatyouwanttosearch
15:55*Otixa stabs xorg
15:55<Otixa>I give up >=[
15:55<Otixa>...For today
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15:56<Nemoder>astronut: or perhaps sleuthkit would be better suited to taht
15:56<TIBS-laptop>got ya
15:56<TIBS-laptop>ok thanks
15:56<TIBS-laptop>;D
15:57<astronut>Nemoder: is it in debian?
15:57<Nemoder>yes
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16:04<rapsys>-sh: <( eval compgen -f -X '*.@(o|so|so.!(conf)|a|rpm|gif|GIF|jp?(e)g|JP?(E)G|mp3|MP3|mp?(e)g|MPG|avi|AVI|asf|ASF|ogg|OGG|class|CLASS)' -- $(quote_readline $cur) ): No such file or directory
16:04<rapsys>bash complesion is working with such error ?
16:05<massmc>at boot my laptop hangs at "ppdev: user-space parralel port driver" Anyone know what that is?
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16:08<jMCg>massmc: maybe conflicting IRQs. If you don't need the parallel port, blacklist the module, try again.
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16:08<massmc>jMCg, any docs on how to do this?
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16:09<jMCg>massmc: man modules, man modprobe.conf
16:09<massmc>jMCg, cheers for your help, will check those
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16:10<jMCg>Those are, when I see this right, Debian specific man pages.
16:10<jMCg>Hmmm... nope...
16:10<jMCg>Just modules(5), modprobe.conf(5) is not.
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16:21<t_>lo
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16:21<t_>so apt suggests i install mjpegtools with kino, yet mjpegtools is not in the debian repo
16:22<Kagee>How can i redefine what the keys on my keyboard does in X, console, etc? Is is these keymaps and loadkeys i keep reading about, or do i have to do more?
16:22<t_>why?
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16:22<t_>why is mjpegtools even suggested by apt if it doesnt exist
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16:23<t_>thats pretty nonsensical
16:23*t_ files a bug report
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16:24<enouf>dope
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16:26<Lesfar>Hello
16:26<Lesfar>I need help with my dell
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16:28<Lesfar>someone?
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16:34<Kagee>Lesfar, i probably can't help you, but if you don't say whats wrong, nobody can.
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16:35<deavid>dpkg: dpkg
16:35<dpkg>i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
16:35<Lesfar>ah, ok, thanks. Here. I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 and Hava a problem with network.
16:35<Lesfar>http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Inspiron1525?highlight=(1525)
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16:36<clint1986>hello :)
16:37<Lesfar>I click in icon and he show this message: None network device found.
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16:39<jMCg>Lesfar: lspci -v ; ip link; etc... you know the drill.. or maybe you don't. Then you should get to know it.
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16:40<francy200112>salve
16:40<francy200112>list
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16:41<jMCg>http://wiki.debian.org/SunSparc <<<< WTF?
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16:45<Lesfar>jMCg: I get this list. But, now, whats I do?
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16:46<jMCg>Lesfar: interpret it correctly, or failing that, share it with us.
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16:51<TIBS-laptop>hey ya
16:51<TIBS-laptop>how do i install a deb file
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16:51<Kagee>First you check if the program is in apt.
16:51<TIBS-laptop>no
16:51<TIBS-laptop>im gonna download it
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16:52<Kagee>dpkg -i
16:52<dpkg>Kagee: no idea
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16:52<Kagee>TIBS-laptop, dpkg -i
16:53<jMCg>dpkg dpkg -i?
16:53<dpkg>jMCg: bugger all, i dunno
16:53<jMCg>bleh.
16:53<Lesfar>jMCG:Here -> http://www.ianitsky.com/files/linux/ip%20link.txt
16:53<jMCg>--help should give you a headstart.
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16:53<Lesfar>jMCg: And here -> http://www.ianitsky.com/files/linux/lspci%20-v.txt
16:54<TIBS-laptop>oh no
16:54<TIBS-laptop>its rpm
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16:54<TIBS-laptop>file
16:54<TIBS-laptop>how i sort that
16:54<cogwheel>TIBS-laptop, use alien
16:55<jMCg>Lesfar: modprobe sky2
16:55<TIBS-laptop>camfrogserver-4.0-48.noarch.rpm;
16:55<TIBS-laptop>its called
16:57<TIBS-laptop>ftp aint working
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16:57<Lesfar>jMCg: In console? I typed it in and nothing happened
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16:58<jMCg>Lesfar: welcome to Unix.
16:58<Lesfar>uahuahua. Thanks.[
16:58<TIBS-laptop>shell:~# apt-get -i camfrogserver-4.0-48.noarch.rpm;
16:58<TIBS-laptop>E: Command line option âiâ [from -i] is not known.
16:59<jMCg>TIBS-laptop: dpkg -i.
16:59<jMCg>TIBS-laptop: or rather dpkg --help.
16:59<jMCg>unix philosophy
16:59<jMCg>!unix philosophy
16:59<dpkg>[unix philosophy] http://www.scarynetworkguy.net
16:59<jMCg>bleh.
17:00<jMCg>http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s06.html
17:00<les>TIBS-laptop, cogwheel has already said, that You need alien to install rpm's
17:00<jMCg>Which reminds me, I wanted to fix ab and other apache binaries.
17:01<TIBS-laptop>mmmmm
17:01<les>so: apt-get install alien
17:01<les>man alien
17:01<TIBS-laptop>eading package lists... Done
17:01<TIBS-laptop>Building dependency tree... Done
17:01<TIBS-laptop>You might want to run âapt-get -f installâ to correct these:
17:01<TIBS-laptop>The following packages have unmet dependencies.
17:01<TIBS-laptop> alien: Depends: debhelper (>= 3) but it is not going to be installed
17:01-!-TIBS-laptop was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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17:02<Lesfar>jMCg: You have a solution?
17:02<TIBS-laptop>huh
17:02<cogwheel>TIBS-laptop, sudo apt-get update .
17:02<cogwheel>(without the dot, that's just me)
17:02<TIBS-laptop>yer
17:02<TIBS-laptop>i know
17:02<TIBS-laptop>ftp.nl.debian.com
17:02<TIBS-laptop>is down
17:02<TIBS-laptop>.org even
17:04<Ryan52>TIBS-laptop: so use a different mirror...
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17:06<Lesfar>Oh, please
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17:10<Lesfar>jMCg: help-me?
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17:14<b52deb>anybody running enomalism ?
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17:16<cardboard>clear
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17:26<jthomas>Does any one know of an application which will send constant 'pulses' of data over a network to help identify that jack on a network switch?
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17:28<cardboard>pulsemon-3.3-beta
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17:35<kazaella>hello, I've got a quick question; is there a way to use some sorta variable or something to get the linux headers pertaining to your image?
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17:36<dmoerner>kazaella: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
17:36<kazaella>awesome, thanks
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17:41<kazaella_>sorry had to quit out... forgot to run screen. anyway, I'm having an issue. I h ave a program and when I try to compile it I'm getting the following error. I just reinstalled the headers: test.cpp:2:46: error: linux/include/asm-i386/processor.h: No such file or directory
17:42<Ryan52>kazaella_: does it exist?
17:43<Ryan52>kazaella_: if not, go to packages.debian.org and figure out which (if any) packages provide it.
17:43<kazaella_>usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386/processor.h does. yes
17:43<Ryan52>oh, your trying to build a kernel?
17:44<Ryan52>AFAIK that's not in the normal path for regular programs to #include from...
17:44<kazaella_>no... I guess this program uses files in the linux headers. /usr/src/linux is a symlink pointing to my headers
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17:44<Ryan52>and where are you real headers?
17:44<kazaella_>linux-headers-2.6.18-6
17:45<Ryan52>/usr/include/linux/include/asm-i386/processor.h should exist.
17:45<Ryan52>that's what your trying to include
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17:45<kazaella_>I've seen programs #include things in <linux/blablabla> not sure why this isn't working.
17:45<Ryan52>because it doesn't exist
17:46<kazaella_>I don't want to use the full path though... trying to make it so that it can run on other systems.
17:46<kazaella_>um... it does... one of those programs just compiled.
17:47<Ryan52>yes, people do linux/blah
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17:47<Ryan52>but blah normally exists
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17:48<kazaella_>...
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17:50<kazaella_>processor.h doesn't exist in the /usr/include/linux. was looking at the kernel headers which linux points to
17:50<kazaella_>in /usr/src
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17:51<kazaella_>found it. asm/processor.h
17:51<kazaella_>guess that includes the right files.
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17:52<kazaella_>thanks Ryan52.
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18:05<chip>Amazon's styles don't detext iceweasel. Any workarounds? Pages don't format right
18:05<chip>Firefox is fine, but Iceweasel, not so much
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18:06<pierre_>hi
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18:11<pierre_>I'm on a laptop (debian without gnome/kde only xorg/wmii) and when I don't type on keyboard for some minutes, the screen becomes black (screensaver ?). Do you know what it is and how to modify timing please ?
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18:16<stevecotton>pierre_: the "xset" command allows the screen-saver settings to be altered for the current session (see "dpms" in xset's manpage).
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18:17<stevecotton>where to set it permanently: probably somewhere in Gnome / KDE / Xfce / Whatever's settings menu.
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18:24<Painiac>ok i need help :)
18:25<Painiac>user just bought hard drive for himself alone to use in my server
18:25<Painiac>drive is installed, formatted and partitioned
18:25<Painiac>i need to make a 'symlink' i think
18:26<Painiac>from his /home/username/extradrive to /dev/hdd
18:26<Painiac>what is the proper syntax to create this link? ive never used ln before
18:26<clint1986>Painiac: /dev/hdd isn't a folder
18:27<Painiac>okay so i need to create a folder first on /dev/hdd ?
18:27<clint1986>yeah, on the partition
18:27<clint1986>then just link to the path
18:27<Painiac>okay i know how to use mkdir, but not ln
18:28<pierre_>stevecotton: thanks :-)
18:28<clint1986>ln -s /path/to/source /path/to/target
18:28<clint1986>you might want to cp the contents first
18:28<Painiac>thanks a lot clint1986
18:28<kp>Painiac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive
18:28<Painiac>there are no contents yet
18:28<Painiac>brand new drive
18:29<clint1986>from the old directory
18:29<clint1986>to the new one
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18:39<Painiac>ahh perfect
18:39<Painiac>working like i knew what i was doing or something ;)
18:39<Painiac>i appreciate you guys
18:39<Painiac>have a nice day/night/diurnal anomaly
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18:40<fabio>hi there
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18:40<fabio>after upgrading the kernel i get this error: "error creating the child process for this terminal" with gnome-terminal
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18:41<fabio>it's due to the /dev/pts
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18:55<leleobhz>where can i discuss about debian packaging?
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18:57<deb_user>hi
18:58<deb_user>I would like some help with soft RAID 1 if that's possible
18:58<deb_user>let's say my / partition is on /dev/sda2
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18:58<deb>if I want to copy a system, is there any apt-get file that got all installed packages so I just need to copy /etc ??
18:58<deb_user>and /dev/sdb2 is my partition for RAID 1
18:59<deb_user>so here is the creation of the RAID 1 array : mdadm --create /dev/md2 --level=raid1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/sdb2
18:59<deb_user>mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda
18:59<deb_user>mkfs /dev/md2
18:59<deb_user>mount /dev/md2 /mnt/md2
18:59<deb>deb_user: why not use dmriad?
18:59<deb_user>rsync -a /mnt/sda/ /mnt/md2/
18:59<deb_user>umount /dev/sda
18:59<deb_user>mdadm --add /dev/md2 /dev/sda2
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19:00<deb_user>here are all the commande I try to type, it's goes well until the last command
19:00<deb_user>the last commande say to me that /dev/sda2 is busy ... so I try to unmount it, impossible ...
19:00<deb_user>so I boot it via TFTP in rescue mode
19:00<les>deb, dpkg -l gives You all Your packages, You have installed
19:00<deb_user>but I've got the same problem ><
19:01<deb_user>and by the way I'm trying to do soft RAID 1 on SPARC machine
19:01<deb_user>Sun Blade 1000 to be precise ;)
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19:06<Ryan52>how do I unbind Ctrl-d? I don't want to accidently log out of one of my shells. I tried bind -r C-d and it didn't work.
19:08<slush>deb_user: anything that keeps /dev/sda2 occupied? smth like 'lsof|grep sda2' should reveal that
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19:13<b52deb>anybody running virtual box ?
19:14<b52deb>i can not get it runnin g under lenny
19:14<Ryan52>b52deb: I am.
19:14<Ryan52>b52deb: what's happening?
19:15<b52deb>Ryan52, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose-modules/+bug/153989 ha just found this
19:15<b52deb>i got the same problem !
19:15<b52deb>will try to apply his solution
19:15<b52deb>but basicly
19:15<b52deb>wheni try to start a vm
19:15<b52deb>it say execute '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv start' as root.
19:16<Ryan52>hrm. I don't have that...
19:16<b52deb>ok
19:16<Ryan52>but ya, try to 'modprobe vboxdrb'
19:16<b52deb>Ryan52, running sarge ?
19:16<Ryan52>err, vboxdrv
19:16<b52deb>Ryan52, modprob didn\'t found the module
19:16<Ryan52>b52deb: I'm on sid
19:16<b52deb>Ryan52, ok
19:16<deb_user>thx slush but I dunno how to interpret it ...
19:16<deb_user>lsof: WARNING: can't stat() rootfs file system /
19:16<deb_user> Output information may be incomplete.
19:17<Ryan52>b52deb: modprobe vboxdrv
19:17<b52deb> modprobe vboxdrv
19:17<b52deb>FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
19:17<b52deb>Ryan52,
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19:17<Ryan52>b52deb: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-modules-$(uname -r)
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19:20<b52deb>Ryan52, one last step :D http://pastebin.com/m55eee2eb
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19:21<Ryan52>adduser your_user vboxusers
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19:23<b52deb>Ryan52, thanks a lot
19:23<Ryan52>your welcome
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19:43<foxdie>Hi
19:43<foxdie>I'm trying to compile KoolDock-0.4.7 on Debian Lenny, but in the configure
19:44<foxdie>appears this:
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19:44<foxdie>checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
19:44<Ryan52>maybe install xorg-dev
19:45<foxdie>yeah, I've tried that
19:45<foxdie>but apt says that dependencies are broken
19:45<Ryan52>?
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19:46<Ryan52>foxdie: can you pastebin the output?
19:46<Ryan52>foxdie: maybe try installing with aptitude
19:46<foxdie>pt-get install xorg-dev
19:46<foxdie>Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
19:46<foxdie>Creando árbol de dependencias
19:46<foxdie>Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
19:46<foxdie>No se pudieron instalar algunos paquetes. Esto puede significar que
19:46-!-foxdie was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
19:46<enouf>heh
19:46<Ryan52>I said pastebin...
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19:46<foxdie> Depende: libxft-dev pero no va a instalarse
19:46<foxdie>E: Paquetes rotos
19:46<foxdie>sorry, flood :(
19:46<enouf>tell him LANG=C too ;-)
19:47<dmoerner>foxdie: aptitude install --without-recommends xorg-dev
19:47<les>!pastbin
19:47<enouf>+e ?
19:47<foxdie>!pastbin
19:47<enouf>...
19:47<foxdie>xDDD
19:47<foxdie>I'm a noob, sorry
19:47<enouf>!pastebin
19:47<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
19:48<les>correct spelling is sometimes difficult, sorry :)
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19:49<foxdie>http://paste.lisp.org/display/65847
19:49<Ryan52>in us international mode, how do you do a normal single tick?
19:49<Ryan52>s/tick/quote/
19:50<Ryan52>foxdie: LANG=C aptitude install --without-recommends xorg-dev
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19:50<foxdie>The following packages are BROKEN:
19:50<foxdie> libfreetype6-dev
19:50<foxdie>they come from unstable
19:51<Ryan52>and why are they BROKEN?
19:51<Ryan52>I can install xorg-dev in unstable...
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19:51<foxdie>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
19:51<foxdie> libfreetype6-dev: Depends: libfreetype6 (= 2.3.7-1) but 2.3.7-2 is installed.
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19:52<Ryan52>foxdie: apt-get update
19:52<Ryan52>I see this: Depends: libfreetype6 (= 2.3.7-2)
19:52<foxdie>hey Ryan52, thanks
19:52<foxdie>apt is more inteligent than me
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19:53<foxdie>I only had to downgrade a package that I've installed from unstable
19:53<foxdie>(nvidia-drivers fault :P)
19:53<Ryan52>oh, your not running unstable?
19:53<foxdie>no, lenny
19:53<foxdie>but I had to install nvidia-drivers from sid
19:53<Ryan52>ah.
19:53<foxdie>still lost with apt
19:55<abrotman>You're
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19:55<foxdie>some tip to see what packages are from unstable and what from testing?
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19:58<Ryan52>ah. right alt + single tick.
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20:03<ptr>Howdy, folks
20:03<ptr>Question: what do I need to do to move /etc to a separate filesystem, given that it contains things like inittab and fstab that are needed on boot?
20:04<foxdie>Ryan52, thanks for all I'm already in the make :)
20:04<ptr>or is it even possible
20:04<simonrvn>ptr: not the sort of thing sane people do
20:05<Ryan52>foxdie: good!
20:05<simonrvn>(not calling you that, just not a wise thing to do)
20:05<enouf>where's fxiny and the movies anyways? :-p
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20:05<abrotman>ptr: really not a good plan
20:06<foxdie>another question... I've found a link that explains how to install packages from unstable, and, if that packet is in testing, use the testing package
20:06<foxdie>I've already packages from unstable that are in testing
20:07<chealer>foxdie: apt-show-versions
20:07<foxdie>when I do an "aptitude upgrade", will downgrade that unstable packages?
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20:07<Ryan52>foxdie: no
20:07<foxdie>how can I do that?
20:07<Ryan52>foxdie: it does't downgrade packages...thats why it's called upgrade.
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20:09<ptr>abrotman: I'm getting that impression. Trying to figure out a way to get around a too-small / partition that's boxed in by a giant lvm vg
20:09<ptr>But it may just not be worth it
20:09<abrotman>ptr: what else is under / ?
20:10<ptr>/boot, which also can't be a separate fs, since grub doesn't understand lvm
20:10<foxdie>Ryan52, and how can I do that?
20:10<foxdie>in gentoo, when you try to upgrade, if there's something to downgrade, does it
20:10<abrotman>ptr: you could switch to lilo :)
20:10<Ryan52>foxdie: probably with pinning...
20:11<Ryan52>!pinning
20:11<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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20:12<foxdie>thanks, really. You have been very helpfull
20:12<foxdie>:)
20:12<abrotman>ptr: you could do symlinks out of /etc/ .. but that could get dicey
20:12<ptr>yeah
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20:13<ptr>it's a shame it's set up this way
20:13<Ryan52>foxdie: or you can get a list of packages from sid with: apt-show-versions | awk '{print $1}' | awk -F / '/sid/{print $1}'
20:13<Ryan52>foxdie: downgrade them with: apt-get install -f lenny `apt-show-versions | awk '{print $1}' | awk -F / '/sid/{print $1}'`
20:14<Ryan52>err, -t, not -f
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20:14<abrotman>ptr: who set it up?
20:14<abrotman>ptr: wait .. if it's LVM .. why not just grow it?
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20:14<foxdie>thanks :)
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20:15<ptr>abrotman: the person who came before me set it up... and / isn't on lvm, it's
20:15<ptr>hmm...
20:15<ptr>but it could be, couldn't it
20:15<abrotman>if you use lilo? maybe?
20:15<ptr>/ is a separate partition at the beginning of the drive. But I could move /boot/* into the root dir of that partition, then move / into lvm
20:16<ptr>And lilo is another option
20:17*abrotman thinks this is a lot of work .. just use fewer kernels :)
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20:18<ptr>heh
20:18<ptr>sadly, / is only 100M, and etc is using more than half
20:18<ptr>it's kind of silly
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20:20<abrotman>what is in /etc/? sounds like something is there that shouldn't be
20:21<ptr>puppet conf, for one
20:21<abrotman>my /etc/ has been around awhile and is only 16MB
20:21<ptr>what do I need to do to make sure lvm devices are available from the initrd?
20:21<ptr>or should they be by default
20:22<abrotman>i thought they were by default
20:22<ptr>cool.
20:24<abrotman>just make sure you have a way to boot the system to 'fix' if needed
20:26<nontoxic>hey. is the broadcast address the same as the gateway address in networking?
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20:27<nontoxic>abrotman: you around?
20:27<abrotman>no!
20:27<nontoxic>nm
20:27<abrotman>how do you guys find me :)
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20:27<abrotman>nontoxic: and no they are not
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20:27<Ryan52>foxdie: oh, I lied. this will downgrade them: sudo aptitude install -t lenny `apt-show-versions | awk '{print $1}' | awk -F / '/sid/{print $1}' | sed 's*$*/testing*g'`
20:28<foxdie>yes, this had worked
20:29<zmk>hi. what should I use for mkinitrd in lenny with 2.6.25-2-vserver-686? it complains there's no suitable tool
20:29<ptr>abrotman: init=/bin/bash is my friend
20:29<ptr>abrotman: and thanks :) All is well
20:29<abrotman>ew
20:29<ptr>heh
20:29<zmk>initramfs-tools is installed and yaird isn't installable :(
20:29<ptr>but effective
20:29*abrotman would use /bin/sh .. just in case!
20:30<foxdie>I hadn't say something because I was afraid to be too dummy :P
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20:32<nontoxic>should two computers that are being networked have the same netmask
20:32<nontoxic>?
20:33<Ryan52>nontoxic: yes
20:34<Ryan52>nontoxic: you should use 255.255.255.0
20:35<nontoxic>and broadcast?
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20:38<foxdie>One more thing... I've installed lenny beta2
20:38<foxdie>when It comes stable, what should I do?
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20:40<Ryan52>foxdie: you should say 'yay! I'm using debian stable now' :)
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20:40<Ryan52>foxdie: you should change your /etc/apt/sources.list
20:40<Ryan52>foxdie: and change testing to stable
20:40<Ryan52>foxdie: but if you are using lenny in your /etc/apt/sources.list you dont need to do anything
20:41<foxdie>ok, that's what I wanted to know
20:41<foxdie>thanks
20:41<nontoxic>so ryan52
20:41<Ryan52>foxdie: and lenny isnt beta 2
20:41<Ryan52>foxdie: the lenny debian installer is
20:41<nontoxic>what should broadcast be set to
20:41<foxdie>ah, ok
20:41<nontoxic>does it even need to be set?
20:41<foxdie>lenny is frozen and that's all, or is it in RC*?
20:41<Ryan52>nontoxic: 192.168.1.0 (I think). depends on what your ip is
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20:42<nontoxic>192.168.0.10
20:42<Ryan52>foxdie: i dont think rc happens, though i havent been around long enough to know
20:42<Ryan52>foxdie: but no, it's just frozen
20:43<foxdie>I think I've fallen in love with apt
20:43<foxdie>people, don't use gentoo ;)
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20:50<foxdie>well, thanks a lot Ryan52, I'm going to sleep
20:50<foxdie>bye to all
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20:54<T_X>hi there, now, after a few months I tri
20:54<T_X>I tried to compile one of my c++ progs
20:55<Ryan52>T_X: pastebin the error.
20:55<T_X>but, got an error, g++ doesn't know the exit-function anymore, although I haven't change anything according the includes
20:55<T_X>kk, gimme a second
20:56<Ryan52>and you are including stdlib.h, right?
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21:00<T_X>http://pastebin.com/m14649ae9
21:00<T_X>eh, stdio.h
21:00<T_X>and iostream
21:00<Ryan52>add: #include <stdlib.h>
21:00<T_X>wasn't the stdlib in iostream?
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21:01<Ryan52>things might have changed. I dunno. I'm not a C++ person...
21:01<T_X>ah, thx, yeah, now it works
21:01<Ryan52>your welcome :)
21:02<T_X>cheers
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21:19<nontoxic>if i'm connecting a debian system to the net through a windows machine using a static ip do i need to configure DNS as well?
21:19<abrotman>no
21:21<nontoxic>ping www.google.com
21:21<nontoxic>:/
21:21<nontoxic>ignore that
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21:23<nontoxic>abrotman: ping: unknown host www.google.com
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21:23<abrotman>oh .. you want to set your /etc/resolv.conf
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21:23<abrotman>i misunderstoodified your question
21:23<nontoxic>i don't think i asked one
21:23<nontoxic>yeah. i remember seeing a message about /etc/resolv.conf
21:24<nontoxic>i must need to set it like you said
21:24<abrotman>!resolv.conf
21:24<dpkg>resolv.conf is probably /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, use eg. "supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. You can also "prepend" or "append" instead of "supersede".
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21:27<tcsetattr>we've completely discounted the possibility that anoyone might actually edit resov.conf as if it was a config file (which it _is_) and it must universally be tampered with by DHCP?
21:29<nontoxic>well, dhcp doesn't seem to have provided anything. the file is empty
21:30<nontoxic>that must be why i have no connectivity
21:30<Ryan52>nontoxic: your not using dhcp if you set a static ip...
21:30<nontoxic>right. forgot about that
21:30<nontoxic>so i use the supersede method, eh?
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21:31<Ryan52>nontoxic: why would you think that?
21:31<Ryan52>dhcp vs static ip have different uses...
21:32<abrotman>tcsetattr: say what?
21:32<tcsetattr>the dpkg factoid. it completely ignores the possibility that you might not be using DHCP!
21:32<abrotman>why?
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21:32<abrotman>it does cover that
21:33<tcsetattr>no it doesn't. read it again
21:33<abrotman>To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, use eg. "supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf.
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21:33<nontoxic>yeah. i just noticed that...
21:33<Ryan52>It doesn't say what to do if your not using dhcp...
21:33<nontoxic>so where do i set my nameservers?
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21:33<abrotman>then you just read the man page and voila?
21:33<Ryan52>ryan52@bruce:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
21:33<nontoxic>lol
21:33<tcsetattr>abrotman, if you don't HAVE dhcp installed, there IS NO dhclient.conf, and that's the wrong thing to tell people. It should say "you may edit /etc/resolv.conf with your favorite editor, see the resolv.conf(5) man page for syntax"
21:33<Ryan52>nameserver 10.0.0.1
21:33<Ryan52>search home
21:33<abrotman>man resolv.conf is pretty straightfoward
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21:34<isai>trying to install debian, partition fails. Is using '# mkfs.ext3 -FF' a bad idea?
21:34<tcsetattr>it looks like we've degenerated to the level that we forgot how to do static addressing. which is just sad because it's really not difficult. can't live without DHCP?
21:35<Ryan52>isai: why dont you just let d-i do all of that? if d-i isn't working, what's happening?
21:35<Ryan52>(d-i == debian installer)
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21:35<isai>ryan32, d-i keeps failing when partitioning the disk (I am doing a netinst from USB stick)
21:35<abrotman>tcsetattr: which is better or worse than the fact that we can't read man pages anymore ?
21:35<Ryan52>isai: you'll have to tell debian installer what to use as the root device
21:36<Ryan52>isai: so you have to do at least that through d-i
21:36<tcsetattr>the whole "resolv.conf" factoid DOES NOT MENTION THE CORRECT MAN PAGE. that was my entire point.
21:36<Ryan52>isai: can you elaborate from 'failing'?
21:36<nontoxic>so change it
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21:38<abrotman>tcsetattr: uhm .. it's not hard to find the correct one
21:38<tcsetattr>it's a pile of disinformation. asserting without qualification that resolv.conf is "written by the DHCP client". As if a sysadmin doing his job and putting the nameservers in there without DHCP is so remote a possibility that it's not even worth mentioning
21:38<isai>ryan32: in step 'partion disk', guided partition recommends ext3 for /, click continue, installer says: Failed to create a file system (partiion #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed)
21:38*abrotman gives up
21:38<isai>52
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21:39<Ryan52>isai: Ctrl+alt+4
21:40<Ryan52>isai: see what it says.
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21:40<Ryan52>isai: btw, which installer are you using?
21:40<abrotman>tcsetattr: it also doesn't mention that you can set them in the interfaces file ..
21:40<abrotman>or the resolvconf package
21:40<isai>Ryan52: debian gui installer; partman: /dev/sda1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!
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21:41<astronut>it's not your install device (cd, usb, etc) is it?
21:41<Ryan52>isai: by which installer, I mean't etch, lenny beta 2, daily, or weekly.
21:41<isai>lenny
21:41<Ryan52>which lenny?
21:42*astronut needs to try the lenny installer, haven't had a chance yet
21:42<tcsetattr>proposal: !resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, DNS client-side configuration file. This file should contain a line of the form "nameserver A.B.C.D" for each nameserver you want to use. DHCP client, if you use one, might screw with this file so watch out
21:43<isai>not sure what you mean (I usually just stick to etch). uname -a says: 2.6.26-1-486 i686
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21:43<Ryan52>isai: what did you download?
21:44<astronut>tcsetattr: maybe say something about the line "search"?
21:44<astronut>i always get "search" with no data in it... messes w/ dns resolving on that box
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21:44<Ryan52>isai: anyway, that doesn't matter much.
21:44<isai>bought an acer aspire one, read wiki here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne, followed directions. Got boot.img.gz and ISO
21:44<astronut>i filed a bug on that ages ago, sent a patch, never got fixed
21:44<Mara_gatosa>oi
21:44<astronut>really should have just NMUd that
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21:44<Ryan52>isai: go to ctrl+alt+1, and run mount
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21:45<Ryan52>that would be the daily image...
21:45<isai>ok, it looks like /dev/sda1 on /hd-media type vfat
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21:46<Ryan52>isai: are you trying to install to the same drive that you put the installer on?
21:47<isai>?, looks like it.
21:47<astronut>what drives are in your computer?
21:48<isai>rebooting and changing the boot param should fix that right?
21:48<Ryan52>isai: do you see multiple drives in partman?
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21:48<Ryan52>isai: the boot param? there are hundreds, if not thousands...
21:48<isai>yes, 2: sda (120GB hdd) and sdb (2GB my usb)
21:49<astronut>Ryan52: i'm not too familiar w/ d-i internals, but i odn't think /hd-media is the installer source
21:50<nontoxic>ok. so i edited my /etc/resolv.conf by hand and then restarted my networking
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21:51<Ryan52>astronut: well, it's not where stuff's gonna be installed to.
21:51<nontoxic>did any of that go through?
21:52<astronut>that's /target IIRC
21:52<Ryan52>astronut: so unless he did that himself, then d-i did it for some reason...
21:52<Ryan52>ya
21:52<astronut>sounds almost like an auto-mounter
21:52<astronut>nontoxic: you said stuff
21:52<astronut>isai: this is the graphical installer?
21:52<isai>yes
21:52<tcsetattr><nontoxic> ok. so i edited my /etc/resolv.conf by hand and then restarted my networking
21:53*astronut hasn't used that since pre-etch beta 1 and hasn't used the lenny installer at all
21:53<astronut>isai: i'd say, reboot and try again
21:53<astronut>in case something funky was hit
21:53<astronut>are you setting up a new system or?
21:53<isai>new sys
21:53<astronut>ok, so it's not like you're risking anything so ya
21:54<nontoxic>then i looked at the file again and it had been changed by the system.
21:54<nontoxic><nontoxic> http://pastebin.com/m59c2bfb5
21:54<astronut>(i've decided i'd rather address my boredom by helping out in here than by fixing bugs in my packages)
21:54<tcsetattr>but you don't use DHCP? PPP?
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21:54<nontoxic>that's what my /etc/resolv.conf looks like now
21:54<astronut>nontoxic: ok
21:54<nontoxic>i now. i set a static ip
21:54<astronut>nontoxic: sorry.. i wasn't here when you started talking... what's the porblem?
21:54<nontoxic>*know
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21:55<astronut>you should set DNS in network manager
21:55<astronut>(this is why i don't use NM)
21:55*isai tries installing again
21:55<tcsetattr># generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! <-- at least it admitted its own guilt
21:55<astronut>tcsetattr: yep
21:56<nontoxic>just a sec
21:56<astronut>i still change my wireless network by editing /e/n/i
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21:56<tcsetattr>if your cool new idea requires taking a file that has been edited by hand for 15 or 20 years and sticking a "DO NOT EDIT" comment at the top, you fail.
21:57<nontoxic>brb
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21:58<astronut>tcsetattr: to be fair, dhclient overwrites /e/r.c
21:58<astronut>sadly, not very well
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22:00<tcsetattr>yes, and I've complained about that evil behavior before so I won't repeat
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22:01<allos_nerelin>http://pastebin.com/db76dac9
22:01<allos_nerelin>help-me please
22:02<astronut>which version are you running?
22:02*isai cheers as installer works
22:02<astronut>isai: congrats
22:02<astronut>isai: do anything differently?
22:03<allos_nerelin>debian 3
22:03<abrotman>allos_nerelin: aptitude -f install
22:03<astronut>woody?
22:03<isai>used regular installer instead of graphical installer. Also did it in english only instead of spanish.
22:03<astronut>isai: i'd mention your issue to the guys in #d-boot
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22:04<allos_nerelin>abrotman http://pastebin.com/d7a5fb55f
22:04<astronut>they might have an idea or might what to know
22:04<isai>alright
22:04<abrotman>allos_nerelin: aptitude install sun-java5-jre
22:04<astronut>allos_nerelin: cat /etc/debian_version
22:04<abrotman>allos_nerelin: and also `aptitude install openssh-server openssh-client`
22:04<astronut>allos_nerelin: if you really are running debian 3, support for that version ended years and years ago
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22:05<abrotman>astronut: he's not
22:05<astronut>abrotman: oh ya, ssh split in sarge, didn't it?
22:05<abrotman>astronut: in etch you mean?
22:05<astronut>it was a while ago is all i remember
22:06<astronut>it was post-woody is all i know
22:06<abrotman>it's hard to put "stable" things on a timeline when you don't run stable :)
22:06<allos_nerelin>pl
22:06<astronut>i run stable on a bunch of computers
22:06<allos_nerelin>ok*
22:06<astronut>though they were all installed post-etch release except my personal server (etch)
22:06<astronut>then i have laptop (lenny)
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22:06<astronut>and desktop (sid)
22:06<abrotman>astronut: i do too .. but i pay less attention to package names changing etc
22:07<astronut>abrotman: i know the split happened between installing my old desktop and new desktop :-P
22:07<abrotman>astronut: i guess because on testing/unstable, i've already done it once or twice,etc by the time it gets to stable :)
22:07<astronut>heh, yep
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22:07<astronut>oh, i remember the C++ ABI change...that was "fun"
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22:10<isai>erm, while installing the base system, I get the debian installer menu everytime I hit 79%. Can I just go to the next step?
22:10<astronut>huh
22:10<astronut>weird
22:10<astronut>i dunno
22:11<astronut>which installer is this again??
22:11<astronut>s/\?\?/\?/
22:11<abrotman>/msg dpkg ep
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22:12<allos_nerelin>can not install sun-java5-jre =\
22:12<isai>lenny installer
22:12<astronut>which one exactly
22:12<astronut>?
22:13<isai>daily, 2.6.26-1-486
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22:13<abrotman>allos_nerelin: it's not going to help if you keep asking on two networks
22:14<allos_nerelin>huhhihiihh
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22:14<astronut>isai: i'd ask in #debian-boot, it sounds like there may be issues
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22:34<citalim>hey, can anyone tell me why apt-get installing sun-java6-bin wants me to build a bunch of X11 stuff, including x11-common?
22:34<astronut>swing?
22:34<citalim>this is on a headless box with not a single x11-related package installed.
22:35<astronut>(java has a bunch of x-related stuff in it, that x-related stuff requires x-related libraries, hence there's a dependency)
22:35<citalim>right... but what about..
22:35<citalim>openjdk-6-jre-headless
22:35<citalim>that wants me to grab x11-common and x11 related stuff too.
22:35<astronut>really?
22:35<citalim>yes.
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22:35<astronut>openjdk-6-headless
22:35<astronut>W: Unable to locate package openjdk-6-headless
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22:35<citalim>openjdk-6-jre-headless
22:35<astronut>found it
22:36<astronut>uhmm... apt's dependency resolver is first up i think?
22:36<astronut>or now alphabetical
22:37<citalim>trying to apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-headless gives this:
22:37<citalim>The following extra packages will be installed: avahi-daemon dbus dbus-x11 defoma file gsfonts gsfonts-x11 java-common libasound2 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-core5 libdaemon0 libdbus-1-3 libfontenc1 libfreetype6 libltdl3 libnss-mdns
22:37<citalim> libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcb-xib0 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfont1 libxi6 libxp6 libxtst6 odbcinst1debian1 sun-java6-jre unixodbc x11-com-mon xfonts-encodings xfonts-utils
22:37<citalim>1 upgraded, 85 newly installed, 0 to remove and 39 not upgraded.
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22:38<astronut>hmmm
22:38<abrotman>citalim: and?
22:38<citalim>and 85 newly installed.
22:38<astronut>it should be headless, why is it installing x stuff
22:38<citalim>why would a headless jre require x11 libs?
22:38<abrotman>those are libraries .. not any actual X programs
22:38<citalim>x11-common is a library?
22:38<citalim>a library required by a jre?
22:38<abrotman>!depends x11-common lenny
22:39<haldoor>hi. i have a problem here. i want to take a debian installation from one computer and put it into another computer. i've heard stories about monitors being fried by the wrong xserver configurations so i is there anything i need to do before i do this?
22:39<dpkg>x11-common: pre-depends on debconf | debconf-2.0
22:39<abrotman>citalim: not much of a program ...
22:39<astronut>haldoor: that's a really really old problem
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22:40<astronut>haldoor: but hardware driver and configuration issues might pop up
22:40<abrotman>haldoor: that realistically shouldn't happen anymore
22:40<kop>haldoor : Yeah, almost anything that'll run X won't fry.
22:40<abrotman>especially with lenny/sid
22:41<citalim>abrotman: so you're saying my only option is to install 85 new packages?
22:41<haldoor>so i'm good? can i just pull the drive and put it on the new machine? i'm using etch, btw
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22:41<abrotman>citalim: i don't make the dependencies
22:41<abrotman>!depends openjdk-6-jre-headless lenny
22:41<kop>haldoor : You'll want to dpkg-reconfigure your kernel to rebuild your initramdisk (or use update-initramfs)
22:41<dpkg>openjdk-6-jre-headless: pre-depends on dpkg (>= 1.10.24)
22:41<abrotman>citalim: seems like something else is hte culprit
22:41<abrotman>!depends openjdk-6-jre-headless sid
22:42<astronut>where are the rest of the dpends?
22:42<citalim>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openjdk-6-jre-headless
22:42<astronut>that's just the pre-depends
22:42<abrotman>astronut: dpkg is an X app now!
22:42<kop>haldoor : (Likely it'll need other hardware. So boot from an install disk, mount and chroot and then rebuild the initramfs.)
22:42<citalim>probably libaccess-bridge-java
22:42<dpkg>openjdk-6-jre-headless: pre-depends on dpkg (>= 1.10.24)
22:42<astronut>but why would it depend on dpkg?
22:42<haldoor>kop: why is that? will the system still be functional without doing this?
22:42<citalim>described as a "java access bridge for GNOME"
22:42<citalim>win 2
22:42<abrotman>wtf
22:42<citalim>oops
22:42<kop>haldoor : You'll also want to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but that can be done from the termial after booting.
22:42<abrotman>citalim: that would explain the dbus crap i suppose
22:43<haldoor>i won't really need the hardware. i'm just transferring some files to another machine then i'm wiping the drive
22:43<kop>haldoor : The initramfs has the kernel modules needed to mount the root fs. So if the old box is ide and the new sata, you won't have the sata drivers at boot without rebuilding the initramfs.
22:43*abrotman wonders if he's the only one that really thinks pdo has been dog-slowlately
22:43<citalim>abrotman: well thanks for the help dude, appreciate your time
22:43<citalim>guess I was hoping i could export X11_OPTS=none and be done with that :p
22:43<citalim>oh well.
22:44<abrotman>citalim: but like i said .. it's not *really* X ..
22:44<astronut>abrotman: was a discussion about that on #d-d this morning
22:44<kop>haldoor : Then just mount the file systems on the old drive and copy what you want, don't try to boot from it.
22:44<abrotman>citalim: in that i mean .. it won't run an X server on the box
22:44<citalim>i know that
22:44<abrotman>astronut: about the bot not doing right .. or that package ?
22:44<citalim>but it is *really* more X than I want :p
22:45<abrotman>citalim: better than it used to be with older X/java packages
22:45<astronut>abrotman: p.d.o being really slow
22:45<citalim>astronut: you're telling me.
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22:46<abrotman>citalim: i've still got a sarge box with java from java-package .. that's got a ton of X packages (though maybe i missed some option when installing)
22:46<citalim>weak.
22:47<MotoHoss>abrotman: saw someone on other channel saying same thing. [10:15] <AzaTht> don't know if this is where it's right to ask, but packages.d.o seems really slow
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22:47<astronut>MotoHoss: just said that
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22:49<MotoHoss>astronut: yep, u did. i saw his /me earlier saw your confirm... and confirmed your confirm... &<)
22:51*abrotman confirms the confirmation of said confirmation
22:51*astronut confirms abrotman's confirmation of the confirmation of my confirmation
22:51*abrotman gets dizzy and falls down
22:52*MotoHoss ain't goin there. &<)
22:53<astronut>people need to ask more questions or i might have to actually do real work
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22:55<astronut>uh-oh
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22:59<MotoHoss>ok doke... here's one. does this look like a reasonable and sane way of changing the devices in fstab from /dev ot labels? http://paste.debian.net/15596/
22:59<MotoHoss>s/ot/to
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23:00<xygg>I've got a quick question, if someone can help. I'm trying out nessus, and am supplying the following command: nessus -n ~/targets output I don't see an arg flag to specify the targets file... but can skip the user and password as I'm not going remote. any ideas on how to fix it?
23:00<astronut>line 23 and 24-5 seem to be duplicated
23:01<astronut>and it only talks about ext2/3 partitions rather than using GUIDs
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23:04<haldoor><kop> haldoor : (Likely it'll need other hardware. So boot from an install disk, mount and chroot and then rebuild the initramfs.)
23:04<haldoor>mount and chroot?
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23:05<astronut>huh
23:05<MotoHoss>astronut: 21-26 are pasted right out of the console to show the results of the commands "in full" rather than just the snippet. e2label will show the blank line (22) if no label is set...
23:05<astronut>haldoor: what was the context?
23:05<astronut>oh, i think kop was wrong
23:06<astronut>IIRC, the initramfs by default should handle most hardware stuff fine
23:06<haldoor>moving a debian installation to a different computer
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23:06<astronut>you may have issues booting because your kernel won't load the proper hardware drivers
23:06<astronut>if so, that's a recovery procedure
23:06<haldoor>hold on...
23:06<haldoor>lemme just do it now.
23:07<MotoHoss>astronut: I kinda was thinking that when I pasted those lines in... maybe it's too much info...
23:07<xygg>any ideas on the nessus?
23:08<astronut>MotoHoss: you should clarify
23:08<astronut>xygg: never used it
23:08<MotoHoss>astronut: I agree. and I will.
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23:11<MotoHoss>astronut: I will do a little more thinking about the GUIDs before I decide to include them.... <btw> thanks for the input.
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23:14<qq>Guest3554: join >> /j #debian-zh
23:17<qq>MotoHoss: so useing grub by levels , we may (again) moving a debian installation to a different computer ?
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23:20<MotoHoss>qq: I would think that is possible... and easier using "LABEL=" rather than /dev or GUID. again I haven't actually done it (yet) so caveat emptor.
23:20<qq>a grub with root=UUID= ... prevent doing that
23:21<kop>astronut : (There really is no "default" initramfs. Apt builds a custom one for each kernel upon install. If you use common hardware, well, it'll probably work -- unless you're moving the drive to uncommon hardware.)
23:21<MotoHoss>qq: yes.
23:23<dmoerner>win 2
23:23<smaug9>I just installed debian on a nslu2. every time I add a user I get a pam error:
23:23<astronut>kop: the default initramfs generator
23:23<smaug9>You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)
23:23<smaug9>chfn: PAM authentication failed
23:23<smaug9>I've not seen this before
23:23<astronut>it includes all the neccessary drivers rather than just as needed (or it used to)
23:23<smaug9>any hints?
23:24<kop>astronut : Ok. But what uses this, the installer?
23:24<qq>MotoHoss: sadly in my case with installing on a fast machine , and don't being capable to boot a pure 486 (DX4 @100 MHz)
23:25<astronut>kop: the default one for update-initramfs
23:27<MotoHoss>qq: LABEL should work for you nicely.
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23:28<qq>MotoHoss: tested on grub and lilo . ok thanks
23:29<MotoHoss>I am writing the document so that when I do test, the chances of failure are minimized. and then I can share the document....
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23:30<qq>MotoHoss: I'll appreciate that :)
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23:36<qq>MotoHoss: i'll use this label nameing 1. boot (for boot partition) 2. data (for home) 3. extra_n (for n extras partitions)...
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23:41<MotoHoss>qq: man e2label states the limitations on the actual name_length so those are fine.
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