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---Logopened Wed Aug 27 00:00:13 2008
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00:00<MadHag>geez, tired
00:00<Ryan52>MadHag: lsb_release -cs
00:00<Ryan52>MadHag: that is distro independant
00:01<MadHag> lsb_release -cs does not work, the cat command came up with 4.0
00:03<Ryan52>define does not work.
00:03<MadHag>actually, its probably me with space
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00:03<MadHag>nah, not work for me
00:03<Ryan52>does it say command not found?
00:03<Ryan52>cause if so, then you need to install it.
00:03<MadHag>-bash yes
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00:04<MadHag>install what?
00:04<Ryan52>apt-get install lsb-release
00:04<MadHag>is it important
00:04<Ryan52>if you wanna be able to run lsb_release -cs
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00:04<Ganneff>lsb foo is pretty useless
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00:04<MadHag>will leave it for now I know I have etch 4.0
00:04<Ryan52>Ganneff: ?
00:04<MadHag>just installed DirectAdmin it's well cool :)
00:05<robotook>is the firewire_ohci/core modules for sata hard drives or firewire cards?
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00:06<dmoerner>robotook: sata drives do not use the firewire modules
00:07<robotook>dmoerner, what does then if anything? powertop says those modules are causing a lot of power drain, so i'm curious if i can remove them since my laptop has no firewire card
00:09<dmoerner>that's odd. you should try removing them and see if anything locks up.
00:10<blarson>Isn't ohci one of the usb controlers?
00:10<dmoerner>uhci and ehci are usb 2.0 and usb 1.0, ohci is firewire
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00:11<robotook>so far so good lol
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00:18*egns pira a dormir, buenas noches/good nite
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00:22<dpkg>warez is, like, what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. or
00:23<dpkg>one warez list being sent to guest3760
00:23<ia2k>anyone know how i get the software for the "emerge"
00:24<Ryan52>ia2k: switch to gentoo? I'm not sure I get your question...
00:24<newsense>ask in #gentoo
00:25<ia2k>yeah, sounded weird the way i ask it, thanks though
00:25<Guest3760>where the fedora channel?//
00:25<Ryan52>Guest3760: #fedora
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00:30<jimisrvrox>what is the command to do like msconfig but for debian? for some reason rcconf is not working.
00:32<ia2k>-a app-emulation/wine" but it sais emerge command not found
00:33<superjet_busy>!tell jimisrvrox about sysv-rc-conf
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00:33<twb>After adding "broadcast" to /etc/ntp.conf, do I need to pkill -HUP ntpd or /etc/init.d/ntp restart or something?
00:34<twb>I'm trying "/etc/init.d/ntp restart" (the reload rule fails), and it hangs.
00:37<twb>HMm, it seems that it only hangs when run from within postinst.
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00:46<twb>FFS, if I remove ". /usr/share/debconf/confmodule", then it doesn't hang
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00:52<twb>ARGH, lsb is at fault again
00:52<twb>Looks like it's redirecting stuff to /dev/console
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01:05<clint1986>morning :)
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01:13<xorl>that's better
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01:44<rick>Ryan52, hey, just wanted to let you know that my nautilus started working again after another update
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01:45<rick>Ryan52, it included libxml2, so probably you were right before when you said that that was the package that caused it
01:46<Ryan52>rick: ya. they realized they broke stuff.
01:46<Ryan52>rick: so they released a new security update that fixed the security problem without breaking stuff.
01:47<clint1986>what was this in? etch?
01:47<Ryan52>clint1986: yup
01:47<rick>Ryan52, it seems like it... I am happy at least now that it works again :)
01:47<clint1986>not often they break it :o
01:47<rick>clint1986, yes, it etch
01:47<clint1986>groovy that it's working again though :)
01:48<Ryan52>you should subscribe to debian-security-announce
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01:49<clint1986>i probably should but i'm not very good at checking things like that
01:50<clint1986>i usually just pull a funny face when something breaks :p
01:50<rick>Ryan52, they tell you about things they break there?
01:50<clint1986>watch telly, try another upgrade
01:50<clint1986>not that i've ever had many, i tend to stick to stable :)
01:50<Ryan52>The previous security update of the libxml2 package introduced
01:50<Ryan52>some problems with other packages, most notably with librsvg.
01:51<Ryan52>This update corrects these problems whilst still fixing the
01:51<Ryan52>reported scurity problem.
01:51*Ryan52 shouldn't have done that
01:51<clint1986>is it safe to upgrade do you know?
01:51<Ryan52>sorry for the paste
01:51<clint1986>i'm seeing those upgrades right now in aptitude
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01:51<Ryan52>clint1986: do you have the security repository in your sources?
01:51<Ryan52>oh, I thought you weren't...
01:52<clint1986>if so, yes
01:52<Ryan52>then ya.
01:52<clint1986>ah groovy
01:52<rick>clint1986, I upgraded just now. nautilus works again, and I haven't noticed anyting else that broke
01:52<clint1986>i only had two packages needing an upgrade
01:53<clint1986>one was the libxml2 thing
01:53<Ryan52>tiff and libxml
01:53<clint1986>yeah, that's it
01:53<clint1986>although i'm not sure how thise breakage would have affected me
01:53<clint1986>i use kde
01:53<Ryan52>it works now...
01:53<rick>libxml is a gnome package, right?
01:54<clint1986>so i have konqueror, not nautilus
01:54<rick>clint1986, konqueror wokred for me before too, so I guess it was not affected
01:54<Ryan52>clint1986: apt-cache rdepends libxml2
01:54<Ryan52>clint1986: I'm sure you use one of those packages :)
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01:54<clint1986>heh, that sounds pretty sensitive :o
01:55<clint1986>wouldn't want a broken apt now
01:55<clint1986>my upgrade pattern is so irregular i would probably miss any early problems
01:56<clint1986>i usually only check when someone brings up apt-get or aptitude here
01:56<clint1986>i'm a bad debian user really :(
01:56<Ryan52>I upgrade within a few minutes of recieving the email :)
01:57<clint1986>i did think about scheduling it for each week once
01:57<clint1986>but got as far as thinking
01:58<clint1986>i probably went to bed
01:59<clint1986>i suppose a desktop widget tuned to debian-security-announce would be best for someone like me
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02:00<clint1986>or plasmoids or whatever
02:00<clint1986>or is that kde4?
02:00<Ryan52>clint1986: you can have apt-cron or apticron automatically check and email you.
02:01<clint1986>that was it!
02:01<clint1986>i remember now :)
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02:02<clint1986>i remember it was a "cron" of some sort - but wasn't entirely crontab
02:03<clint1986>thanks :)
02:05<clint1986>crontab or cron, can't remember which one i was thinking of now
02:05<clint1986>meh, i'm dizzy tonight
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02:07<clint1986>sorry, just feeling talkative
02:07<Ryan52>I must just piss other developers off. I either commit every time I change three lines, or I do one mass commit that fixes five things and completely rewrites three major components of the app. They really should just let me use git. I don't do well without a local branch.
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02:08<robotook>is Sunbird package rebranded for Debian?
02:09<clint1986>i think
02:09<clint1986>think it's only in lenny and sid so far
02:09<robotook>i'm running lenny, iceowl does not come up
02:09<robotook>only the opensync plugins
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02:09<clint1986>might only be in sid then
02:09<evsey>installation Screenlets for Debian 4 Etch
02:10<clint1986>in etch-backports, but not much use to you
02:11<robotook>ah ok, thanks
02:11<clint1986>the tar.gz from mozilla might just work outright though
02:11<clint1986>just extract and run the binary
02:11<twb>Ryan52: apt itself supports that now
02:11<twb>Ryan52: see /etc/cron.daily/apt
02:12<Ryan52>clint1986: that's the source
02:12<clint1986>they distribute as a binary too
02:12<Ryan52>well, that's new.
02:12<robotook>it does work
02:12<robotook>just checking, would rather use the "official" debian version
02:12<Ryan52>twb: oh, I knew it could automatically update. I didn't know it could email.
02:13<Ryan52>clint1986: oh, from mozilla, I didn't read :P
02:13<twb>Ryan52: email sending is done by cron itself
02:14<clint1986>Ryan52: in the sunbird-0.8.en-US.linux-i686.tar.gz there is a "sunbird" executable
02:14<clint1986>Ryan52: just need to run it - might work, might not
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02:14<Ryan52>twb: ya, but I didn't know it had an option to output something so that cron would send the email.
02:14<twb>Ryan52: OK.
02:14<clint1986>bit like the firefox one
02:15<Ryan52>twb: do you know what the option is? It's not in /etc/cron.daily/apt
02:15<twb>Ryan52: sorry, no.
02:15<Ryan52>or at least it's not documented at the top :P
02:16<clint1986>robotook: yeah, sometimes it's nice to stay in debian
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02:16<clint1986>robotook: but you can keep that sunbird in your $home and just rm -rf to get rid of it entirely when the time comes :)
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02:17<robotook>clint1986, yeah that's what i'm doing
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02:17<clint1986>i did it a couple of years ago to get ktorrent in sarge
02:18<clint1986>had build that one though :(
02:18<clint1986>had to*
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02:18<clint1986>there was probably some .deb around somewhere if i looked hard enough though
02:18<clint1986>but alas, i was young, and keen
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02:54<s3a>were do i go to suggest a package be added to backports in debian?
02:54<s3a>for etch
02:55<twb>s3a: lenny will be stable Real Soon Now
02:56<s3a>twb, i cant upgrade this laptop bcuz i tried to upgrade it to lenny alredy and it broke on 2 comps each time i tried maybe it will be different in lenny but running windows in a VM is too slow on this comp and wine doesnt do well with this program i rely need for skool
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02:56<twb>s3a: please use punctuation between clauses.
02:57<s3a>twb, k, sry, would it be possible to get the source code and make it work in etch? the application is called anki and it supposedly works in lenny and sid only.
02:58<Ryan52>s3a: yes, that's how people backport stuff.
02:58<Ryan52>s3a: you might be able to just rebuild it against etch, and it might just work.
02:58<s3a>Ryan52, so not everything can be made to run on etch?
02:59<Ryan52>not without changing the code...
02:59<Ryan52>but some things will just work
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02:59<Ryan52>hold on, I'll help you if ever responds...
02:59<s3a>Ryan52, what exactly are we talking about? ./configure make makeinstall and thats it?
02:59<Ryan52>no, the debian package
03:00<Ryan52>cd anki<TAB><TAB>
03:00<Ryan52>debuild -us -uc
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03:00<Ryan52>dpkg -i ../anki*.deb
03:00*dpkg removes a liver from ryan52 and replaces it with ../anki*.deb
03:00<s3a>Ryan52, wouldnt that be the same as getting the .deb for lenny?
03:01<Ryan52>s3a: no. that is rebuilding the source.
03:01<Ryan52>s3a: it probably needs to be rebuilt
03:01<Ryan52>s3a: you can try the deb from lenny if it's written in a scripted language
03:01<Ryan52>(I didn't actually look)
03:01<s3a>Ryan52, ok so the first lkine was wget and not dget right?
03:01<Ryan52>but if it's compiled, then you need to dget and debuild
03:01<s3a>Ryan52, i had trouble with the lenny .deb
03:01<Ryan52>s3a: dget
03:02<Ryan52>s3a: it downloads the source package
03:02<Ryan52>s3a: (which includes multiple files, so you just dget the .dsc)
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03:02<Ryan52>and dget handles the rest
03:02<Ryan52>oh, you should install devscripts and build-essential first
03:03<s3a>Ryan52, dget gave error
03:04<Ryan52>there's a newer version than knows about apparently
03:04<s3a>Ryan52, so wat do i do?
03:04<Ryan52>dget that
03:04<Ryan52>that being the URL I just posted twice
03:06<s3a>Ryan52, dget
03:06<Ryan52>yes, that would be what I meant
03:06<superjet_busy> what's dget?
03:06<s3a>Ryan52, no lol i actually wanted to send result it dint send wait
03:06<s3a>Ryan52, debian:/home/deniz# dget
03:06<s3a>bash: dget: command not found
03:07<Ryan52>s3a: did you install devscripts and build-essential like I told you to?
03:07<s3a>Ryan52, o i dint c that
03:07<Ryan52>superjet_busy: you give it the URL to the .dsc file and it downloads all the files
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03:07<superjet_busy>Ryan52: why not apt-get source?
03:07<Ryan52>superjet_busy: because he is downloading a lenny package on a etch system
03:08<Ryan52>superjet_busy: so it isn't in his sources.list
03:08<superjet_busy>Ryan52: got it :)
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03:09<Ryan52>arg. what is the factiod to tell people to spell their words outs? (re: o i dint c that)
03:09<s3a>Ryan52, wat do i do wen its done?
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03:09<s3a>Ryan52, its done
03:09<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
03:09<Ryan52>you start spelling your words
03:09<Ryan52>blarson: thanks!
03:09<s3a>Ryan52, lol ok so what do i do?
03:09<Ryan52>s3a: cd package_name_here<TAB>
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03:10<s3a>Ryan52, wat is the package name..just anki?
03:10<Ryan52>s3a: debuild -us -uc
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03:10<Ryan52>it will say "you need these dependancies"
03:10<Ryan52>'apt-get install' them
03:10<Ryan52>then 'debuild -us -uc' again, hopefully suceeding this time.
03:11<superjet_busy>Ryan52: you add the language factiods
03:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
03:11<s3a>Ryan52, debian:/home/deniz# cd anki
03:11<s3a>anki_0.9.6-1.diff.gz anki_0.9.6.orig.tar.gz anki-update.exe
03:11<s3a>anki_0.9.6-1.dsc anki-
03:11<s3a>debian:/home/deniz# debuild -us -uc
03:11<s3a>debuild: fatal error at line 600:
03:11-!-s3a was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
03:11<blarson>I just ignore people who purpousefully make themselfs dificult to understand.
03:11<twb>FFS, he was gonna paste a whole debuild log?
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03:12<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
03:12<twb>Ryan52: if you add a deb-src for lenny (on an etch system), you can use apt-get build-dep and apt-get --build source
03:12<Ryan52>twb: that's a PITA though
03:12<s3a>Ryan52, can i send u results in personal irc chat while talking to u here?
03:12<Ryan52>s3a: no
03:13<Ryan52>s3a: please don't private message me, and please don't ever paste something big into irc
03:13<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
03:13<s3a>Ryan52, o, how long are you going to be here for?
03:13<Ryan52>s3a: read that ^^
03:14<Ryan52>a few hours
03:14<s3a>Ryan52, how long will u be here for though because i have to do something then ill be back
03:14<Ryan52>at least 1 and a half
03:14<s3a>Ryan52, o ok so ill be bak in 1 hour or less
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03:14<s3a>Ryan52, k :) brb in ~1 hour
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03:18<Ryan52>cron hates me
03:19<rootbeer>cron hates everyone... can you imagine being a kid named cron?
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03:21<rootbeer>what's your cron issue?
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03:22<sturek_>Iceweasel freeze after my upgrade from etch to lenny -- is that common behavior?
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03:23<rootbeer>"common behavior" for lenny doesn't have a definition
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03:27<Ryan52>rootbeer: today it was file ownership. yesterday it was not knowing that it ignores files with . in it. (which I figured out by reading the source, which was the dumb way to figure it out)
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03:28<rootbeer>well maybe since it's frozen there might be... but if you get devel email you see hundreds of requests for freeze exceptions that it's just too hard to call what's common behavior, what's a bug and what will be leaving shortly due to being replaced
03:28<Ryan52>and my scripts only work before midnight. they are sent out 5 minutes before midnight. I decided to run it manually once I see cron didn't do it. and it sends out incorrect information.
03:28<Ryan52>and I've done it like 5 times now...
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03:29<rootbeer>Ryan52: send a doc patch!!
03:29<Ryan52>rootbeer: I never said it isn't documented :P
03:29<rootbeer>but you said you had to read the source to figure it out
03:29<Ryan52>-l Enable LSB compliant names for /etc/cron.d files
03:30<Ryan52>I didn't read the man page :P
03:30<rootbeer>OK, I guess that doesnt' say anything about whether it's also documented...
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03:31<rootbeer>does it ignore . files because run-parts is the actual ign9orer
03:32<Ryan52>cron.d files
03:32<Ryan52>Files must conform to the same naming convention as used by run-parts(8): they must consist solely of upper- and lower-case letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens.
03:32<Ryan52>so it's the same as run-parts...
03:32<rootbeer>aha, so the answer is yes
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03:33<Ryan52>no. it's not run-parts that's ignoring. it's cron using the same set of rules as run-parts.
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03:34<rootbeer>so that woudn't be because it uses run-parts?
03:34<Ryan52>no, it doesn't use run-parts.
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03:34<rootbeer>maybe it did at one time
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03:38<rootbeer>what's the actual semantics when it runs one of the files in cron.d and it has output
03:39<rootbeer>is that emailed to someone?
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03:39<apoxl>I need some help please.,if someone has the time
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03:40<rootbeer>can't help yet.
03:40<rootbeer>it's impossible... helping...
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03:40<Ryan52>apoxl: I do have time. though I can't read your mind, so I can't help you.
03:40<rootbeer>why is it I can't help now...
03:40<rootbeer>it's because
03:40<rootbeer>you haven't said what you want!
03:40<apoxl>debian installed in USB, X Config failed [could keep my eyes open and sleep] ,and need help to configure it
03:41<Ryan52>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
03:41<apoxl>ryan52 tyvm i ll try this
03:41<apoxl>one question
03:41<apoxl>using a laptop, what screen should i specify ?
03:42<Ryan52>what do you mean what screen?
03:42<apoxl>8400GS Nvidia gpu
03:42<rootbeer>go thru the reconfigure... it should be obvious or it should be the default
03:42<apoxl>monitor type
03:42<rootbeer>"8400GS Nvidia gpu" that's not a screen
03:43<apoxl>rootbeer i was telling that the GPU graphics processor of my laptop is Nvidia
03:43<rootbeer>use nv as the driver for the moment
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03:45<apoxl>okay ill try these steps and be back
03:45<apoxl>tyvm all
03:46<rootbeer>btw, did you know debian is useful without any X at all
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03:46<Ryan52>too late :(
03:46<rootbeer>technically not... got it in before he quit :)
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03:47<rootbeer>nontechnically, he may have even seen it :)
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03:51<jlj>Is 3d support availible for GMA 3100 integrated graphics in etch?
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03:51<rootbeer>who is gma?
03:51<rootbeer>or who makes it
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03:52<rootbeer>I dunno for intel graphics
03:52<jlj>Yeah, Intel. I tried the "intel" driver in, and 2D works but there seems to be no 3D.
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03:53<rootbeer>is it supposed to do 3d?
03:53<rootbeer>the intel driver thta is
03:53<clint1986>jlj: had a peak at that?
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03:53<s3a>Ryan52, im back -->
03:55<Ryan52>ls debian
03:55<jlj>clint1986: Yeah, but those are not official Debian packages. But I guess that's the next step
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03:55<clint1986>well, you can lookup the version number
03:55<clint1986>in etch
03:55<clint1986>see if it applies to you
04:03<clint1986>i had a gma 3000 in etch
04:03<clint1986>think 3d is through dri
04:03<s3a>Ryan52, is there anything more you can do for me?
04:03<clint1986>i didn't have the board long though
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04:03<Ryan52>s3a: ls debian
04:03<Ryan52>s3a: pastebin the output
04:03<Ryan52>I see the problem
04:03<jlj>clint1986: Yeah, it seems the driver in Etch is too old
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04:03<Ryan52>s3a: you never ran the cd
04:03<Ryan52>s3a: oh, it didn't unpack it for you...
04:03<Ryan52>s3a: tar xzvf anki_0.9.6.orig.tar.gz
04:03<Ryan52>s3a: cd anki<TAB>
04:03<Ryan52>s3a: (cd to the only directory there)
04:03<Ryan52>s3a: zcat ../anki_0.9.6-1.diff.gz | patch -p 0
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04:03<Ryan52>s3a: debuild -us -uc
04:03<s3a>Ryan52, what's the directory? (
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04:03<Ryan52>the one with the slash...
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04:04<apoxl>hey again
04:04<s3a>Ryan52, which file do i patch?
04:04<Ryan52>apoxl: hello...
04:04<Ryan52>s3a: what does it say. I must've given you incorrect -p option...
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04:04<apoxl>dpkg -reconfigure xserver_xorg produces some error
04:04<dpkg>apoxl: I don't know, could you explain it?
04:04<Ryan52>apoxl: will you fix that error first by figuring out what it is
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04:04<Ryan52>apoxl: then you google it
04:04<clint1986>jlj: you might be able to bring in a newer driver yourself
04:05<Ryan52>apoxl: then, you figure out how to pastebin it, and you send us the URL.
04:05<Ryan52>ya, use -p 1 instead of -p 0
04:05<apoxl>the line dpkg -reconfigure xserver_xorg doesnt starts the x config script....
04:05<Ryan52>so CTRL-C that
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04:05<Ryan52>apoxl: what does it do?
04:05<apoxl>produces some error
04:05<Ryan52>apoxl: what does it say.
04:05<Ryan52>some error
04:06<Ryan52>I have never heard that error before
04:06<apoxl>sorry cant recall what its error discription is
04:06<apoxl>i think x config should start with this command
04:06<Ryan52>I can't parse that sentance.
04:07<apoxl>do i have to do cd / some path before i use this command?
04:07<Ryan52>apoxl: I don't really care. if you can't give me the most basic details of your problem, then I'm done trying to help you.
04:07<mikus>must be
04:07<mikus>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
04:07<mikus>pay attantion for the syntax
04:08<apoxl>Ryan52 tyvm anyway
04:08<Ryan52>s3a: what did I tell you to do?
04:08<apoxl>mikus this is EXACTLY what i typed as su
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04:09<Ryan52>00:10 < Ryan52> it will say "you need these dependancies"
04:09<Ryan52>00:10 < Ryan52> 'apt-get install' them
04:09<Ryan52>00:10 < Ryan52> then 'debuild -us -uc' again, hopefully suceeding this time.
04:09<Ryan52>s3a: ^^
04:09<apoxl>mikus do i have to cd to some directory 1st ?
04:09<Ryan52>apoxl: no.
04:09<Ryan52>apoxl: dpkg-reconfigure is in your $PATH
04:10<apoxl>yes it is
04:10<s3a>Ryan52, ok i will do that but i just need to know is it possible to make it get the dependencies for me or do i have to copy paste each one because that is what i normally do
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04:10<apoxl>it shows me various things when i type dpkg
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04:10<apoxl>so its executed
04:11<Ryan52>apoxl: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
04:11<Ryan52>apoxl: no space
04:11<Ryan52>apoxl: what are these 'various things'?
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04:11<apoxl>know my error now
04:11<rootbeer>can you see that you hAve to pay atTention to detaIls?
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04:12<apoxl>tyvm ryan52 [typed _ instead of-]
04:12<apoxl>try it and be back here ,ty again
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04:13<rootbeer>that time he didn't acknowledge hearing it...
04:14<Ryan52>s3a: sorry, I didn't notice you said something. you can 'apt-get build-dep package' if it's in your sources.list, but it isn't for you...
04:15<Ryan52>s3a: there's probably a fancy way to do it...
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04:18<s3a>Ryan52, ok so ill copy paste for this situation
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04:25<sturek_>I am running Lenny. And I want to have flash working with both iceape and iceweasel. With iceape it works when I put in /usr/lib/iceape/plugin directory - but since iceweasel doesn't have a plugin directory on my computer and don't know where to put it!@ /usr/lib/mozilla doesn't either exist...
04:26<Ryan52>s3a: now you cry
04:27<s3a>Ryan52, lol :'(
04:27<sturek_>(also: I mkdir plugins in the iceweasel directory and put the file manually there -- but it didn't work)
04:28<s3a>Ryan52, thank you for trying to help though
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04:28<Ryan52>s3a: the changes might be extremely small or there could be more, and I usually don't help people go farther than basic rebuilding...
04:29<sturek_>where could I go with these iceweasel questions? there's no iceweasel channel....
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04:29<s3a>Ryan52, i could try lenny testing in a vm that could be faster than xp in a vm couldnt it?
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04:32<Ryan52>s3a: why not just use lenny?
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04:32<Ryan52>sturek_: it's called firefox on the rest of the there maybe a firefox channel?
04:33<s3a>Ryan52, its a hassle to install OSes here cuz there is no optical drive and upgrading broke my install on both of my comps on two different architectures each time i tried! :(
04:34<Ryan52>define broke.
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04:34<s3a>well i have a thread for my amd64 attempt
04:34<s3a>Ryan52, well i have a thread for my amd64 attempt
04:34<Ryan52>s3a: url?
04:34<s3a>Ryan52, do you want me to look it up and give it to you?
04:35<Ryan52>ya, sure, I'll see if I can help...
04:35<Ryan52>(I'm not on the debian-user list...)
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04:37<Ryan52>oh, that kind of thread, yuck
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04:39<s3a>Ryan52, o sorry lol :(
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04:39<s3a>Ryan52, but it would help to get a straight answer about: is it me doing something wrong or is it debian's fault because it is not stable yet?
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04:40<Ryan52>stable could in theory do that too
04:40<Ryan52>it's not debian's fault, it's perls
04:41<Ryan52>I think there might be a bug report for that.
04:41<Ryan52>if not, there should be.
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04:41<Ryan52>oh right
04:41<Ryan52>s3a: you have to upgrade perl *before* you upgrade everything else
04:42<Ryan52>s3a: this *IS* documented.
04:42<s3a>Ryan52, o so that's my problem??
04:42<Ryan52>apt-get install perl-base
04:42<Ryan52>aptitude dist-upgrade
04:42<s3a>Ryan52, OMG! IF THIS WORKS YOU SAVED ME!!! :d
04:43<s3a>Ryan52, i still have to change the sources.list right?
04:43<Ryan52>the problem is that it tried to upgrade certain things before it upgraded perl
04:43<Ryan52>but perl needs to be upgraded first
04:44<Ryan52>because of some change in some random tool...
04:44<s3a>Ryan52, ya sorry im new to debian, i came from ubuntu and also dial-up so I haven't been a dist-upgrader
04:45<Ryan52>you've never installed updates :|
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04:45<s3a>Ryan52, updates ya not UPGRADES
04:45<Ryan52>what do you mean by updates
04:45<s3a>Ryan52, i use to reinstall every 6 months with ubuntu
04:46<s3a>Ryan52, like bug fixes for current version
04:46<Ryan52>'apt-get update' only updates the list of packages and version
04:46<Ryan52>that 'apt-get dist-upgrade'...
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04:46<Ryan52>like to install security updates you do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or any update for that matter...
04:46<s3a>Ryan52, ya i no like u no wen u get a popup to install new version of ur software like for example instead of going from a version 2.01 to 3, going from 2.01 to 2.02
04:47<s3a>Ryan52, liek bug fixes
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04:47<Ryan52>im sorry, but are you trying to drive me insane?
04:47<Ryan52>I can't read that
04:47<s3a>Ryan52, lol like when lenny is stable etch will receive 1 year of updates
04:48<s3a>Ryan52, ya so i do UPDATES
04:48<s3a>Ryan52, well did im talking bout the past
04:48<Ryan52>what exactly do you do?
04:48<Ryan52>the update manager is dist-upgrade
04:48<Ryan52>so is synaptic
04:49<Ryan52>if your doing 'aptitude upgrade' or 'apt-get upgrade' that's wrong
04:49<Ryan52>it wont install upgrades that have unmet dependancies
04:49<s3a>Ryan52, right now as soon as i get dist-upgrades to work that's what i will do but back in my dial-up times i did those minor upgrades
04:49<Ryan52>and you want those too.
04:49<s3a>Ryan52, omg lol, that little notification thing in the tray that says ur software can be updated
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04:50<Ryan52>that's dist-upgrade
04:50<Ryan52>they all dist-upgrade
04:50<s3a>Ryan52, well thats confusing because it just fixes bugs and not upgrading to a new version with new features
04:50<Ryan52>yes, so your dist-upgrade-ing
04:51<Ryan52>dist-upgrade does not mean a new version of debian/ubuntu/whatever
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04:51<Ryan52>I've already explained it.
04:51<s3a>Ryan52, well it was gui so i dint no terminal wise what i was doing
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04:52<Ryan52>s3a: so did you try upgrading perl-base first? and did it work?
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04:52<s3a>Ryan52, so when i upgrade from etch to lenny, and have the sources.list say lenny everywhere i can just update using those notification boxes and then it will give me the stable lenny?
04:52<Ryan52>it might not update right away, though.
04:53<Ryan52>so you can do that through it
04:53<s3a>Ryan52, well actually im install debian etch on my desktop which has ubuntu and i will do it there first because this laptop is for my school and ruining the OS would cause me big problems
04:53<s3a>Ryan52, wait what might not update right away and i can do wat through what?
04:53<s3a>Ryan52, lol im so confused :(
04:54<Ryan52>it only checks for new package versions every once in a while
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04:54<Ryan52>so it won't tell you until it decides it's time to check, or you manually press the update button
04:54<Ryan52>(or run 'apt-get update' in a terminal)
04:54<s3a>Ryan52, o well it cheks daily by default right?
04:54<Ryan52>I don't use GUIs
04:54<Ryan52>expcet for a terminal and firefox
04:55<Ryan52>(forced to use firefox, I write web applications, and I have to test with what they will be using...)
04:55<s3a>Ryan52, lol i dont no wat to say now except i love Debian GNU/Linux :D
04:55<s3a>and why? do you hate GUIs??
04:56<Ryan52>why not? do you hate command line??
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04:56<s3a>Ryan52, no i absolutely do not lol in fact it's what never changes between different releases
04:57<s3a>Ryan52, it's just for entertainment purposes i love GUI like I cant browse web sites with lynx it just is depressing lol
04:58<s3a>Ryan52, o ya while im here, i forgot how to recheck or whatever like to reset dhcp with a terminal command would you happen to know what it is or am I explaining myself in a bad way?
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04:59<Ryan52>s3a: you want to get a new dhcp lease?
04:59<Ryan52>s3a: dhclient interface
04:59<Ryan52>s3a: where interface is eth0 or eth1 or wlan0 or such
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05:00<Ryan52>s3a: or, if you have interfaces setup, /etc/init.d/networking restart
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05:00<Vi^3PP>does anyone here use jailer?
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05:01<s3a>Ryan52, ok it wasnt that command because I use to use it but I forgot it and i am just asking for the sake of knowledge
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05:01<s3a>Ryan52, it had dhcp in the command probably
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05:02<Ryan52>I have no clue what your trying to do
05:02<s3a>Ryan52, its ok lol ill ask my friend he taught me the command a long time ago
05:02<Ryan52>the only thing I could get from that is you want a new lease, which is what dhclient does
05:03<Ryan52>or, not necessarily a new lease, just a lease
05:03<s3a>Ryan52, o ya it is dhclient lol
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05:03<s3a>Ryan52, thanks alot
05:03<Ryan52>your welcome
05:03<s3a>Ryan52, im soooooooo excited to upgrade to lenny lol
05:03<Ryan52>s3a: did that perl thing work?
05:04<s3a>well its rebooting into freshly installed etch amd64
05:04*Ryan52 goes to sleep now
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05:04<s3a>Ryan52, good night
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05:21<Zoup>is latest daily DI running kernel 2.6.26 running ?
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05:25<Shadowdancer>there is fun to be had with kernels >=2.6.23 in my experience :-(
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05:43<foxdie>I'm using Lenny, and I want to install a package from the stable. How can I do that?
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05:45<Shadowdancer>"apt-get -tstable install packagename", or if you don't have it in your sources.list, download the .deb and use dpkg
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05:45<Shadowdancer>and you'll probably need to pin it too
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05:51<alvarez>anyone have any experience using tvcard on lenny?
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05:57<RaZa>TIBS01: have you tried /etc/init.d/proftpd start
05:57<RaZa>^^wrong channel
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06:00<ghostlines>Package libapache2-mod-auth-mysql has no installation candidate
06:00<ghostlines>how can i solve this
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06:04<alvarez>i cant found any channel with kdetv nor tvtime
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06:05<alvarez>by using kdetv or tvtime
06:05<alvarez>sory for my poor english
06:05<rootbeer>!info kdetv
06:05<rootbeer>do you use debian yourself? or which?
06:06<alvarez>debian lenny
06:06<dpkg>kdetv: (TV viewer for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1384 kB, Installed size: 5376 kB
06:06<mikus>ghostlines: try to upgrade to lenny ?
06:06<rootbeer>!info kdetv lenny
06:06<dpkg>kdetv: (TV viewer for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1384 kB, Installed size: 5376 kB
06:06<rootbeer>so, it exists.
06:07<alvarez>the problem is... i get no channel
06:07<rootbeer>antenna connected?
06:07<alvarez>yeah... the tv card work flawlessly on windows xp
06:08<rootbeer>that part I have no idea for... what if anything have you found out aboutr your specific card and how compatible it is to linux? what about driver support? does the driver support it properly? what urls can you supply that support all of these answers?
06:09<alvarez>02:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
06:09<alvarez>02:0c.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
06:09<alvarez>i guess using bttv driver or something
06:10<rootbeer>just because a card works well in one operation system, this says nothing about how well it will work if at all under any other
06:10<alvarez>defenately supported by the kernel
06:11<alvarez>i get ur point... i have tested 2 different tv card with the same chipset (bt878) but still cant find any channel
06:12<rootbeer>is this cable or regular broadcast
06:12<alvarez>regular one
06:14<rootbeer>on many of the tvs I've had that claim themselves "cable-ready" they had a setting for the regular tv versus cable; I guessed at the time that this setting changed where the channels were in the band
06:14<rootbeer>in at least one case, there was one regular-tv setting and two cable settings
06:15<alvarez>i think i see those setting... for safe... i try 1 by 1 & scan but still cant find any channel
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06:16<rootbeer>then, I wonder if there is an rf sensitivity control
06:16<alvarez>do u mean on da card? i think it just a plain cheap card
06:16<rootbeer>it seems like you're getting the same result as if there would be no antenna attached
06:17<alvarez>yeah... it seems so...
06:18<rootbeer>are there more than one antenna inputs?
06:18<alvarez>but theres some different... if i off my antena booster... kdetv wont lemme do the scan
06:18<alvarez>theres only 1 coxial input
06:18<alvarez>once i on the booster... i can continue scan using the wizard
06:18<rootbeer>coaxial, that's 75 ohm impedance
06:19<rootbeer>what kind of antenna feedline is it?
06:19<rootbeer>is it coax all the way to the antenna? where is the antenna located?
06:19<alvarez>somewhere around me... :D
06:20<rootbeer>you're using yourself as the antenna?
06:20<alvarez>yeah... coax into booster... and boster all the way to the outdoor antena
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06:20<alvarez>neh... dis is a shop lot... i just put it where i can...
06:20<rootbeer>when you're under xp, do you need the booster?
06:21<alvarez>defenately need booster... this area got weak antena signal
06:21<rootbeer>hmm... just recall that such boosters will also amplify noise... but if it works, it works
06:22<alvarez>tv card shut be good... a fren of mind have no problem using his tv card on debian few months ago
06:22<rootbeer>what about for normal tv, no bt card?
06:22<alvarez>bt card?
06:22<rootbeer>bt878 card
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06:23<alvarez>wat u mean wit normal tv?
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06:23<alvarez>i dun have any normal tv at da moment
06:23<rootbeer>ahh, so no comparison with one is possible
06:24<rootbeer>the question I wanted to ask is: do you need booster with a normal tv
06:24<alvarez>1 is kwolrd .. another 1 is pixelview
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06:24<alvarez>this area singal kinda sux
06:24<alvarez>well... most people using those satelite tv... im kinda broke
06:25<Czesiu>Hello. I have a set of packages on box A. I would like to install the same set on box B. So, I run dpkg --get-selections on A, then dpkg --set-selections on B. What I shall run on B to physically install those packages?
06:25<alvarez>so normal tv shud be enuff
06:25<rootbeer>I'm guessing the card has an agc for video
06:25<alvarez>wat is agc?
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06:26<rootbeer>automatic gain control
06:26<alvarez>ohh.. i dint kno..
06:26<rootbeer>I'm pretty sure it's a circuit that tries to get the proper rf level from the antenna
06:26<alvarez>it got anythin to do wit linux or the card itself?
06:27<Nemoder>Czesiu: you should be able to just apt-get install one of the packages and everything that is tagged will go through (i think)
06:27<rootbeer>well it could also be buried in the chipset and have no controls for it
06:27<alvarez>using booster is standard around here..
06:27<gsimmons>Czesiu: Just "apt-get install" will suffice.
06:28<Czesiu>Nemoder,gsimmons: thanks
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06:29<alvarez>well.. i need to buy somethin from electronic store... thanks rootbeer for tryin.. ;) chow..
06:29<rootbeer>alvarez: I'm totally out of ideas, but that doesmt' mean someone else can't help better
06:29<rati>I cant see anything in my desktop. see
06:29<rootbeer>you need something that's eye opening!
06:30<rootbeer>then maybe you can see your desktop\
06:30<rati>rootbeer: ?? after upgrade from etch-->lenny I come across this problem
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06:33<rootbeer>the thing is... you upgraded... how come? did you have a specific reason like: I need FooApplication-1.4.4 and what's in etch is 1.4.3
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06:34<rati>rootbeer: I have many packages dont have in etch. splashy, pidgin. so I upgrade it.
06:34<rootbeer>do you have backups? can you get to your old system if you had to?
06:35<rootbeer>maybe the upgrade caused some packages to not be installed, or to be removed
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06:35<rati>rootbeer: no I dont have backup :(
06:36<Nemoder>rati: perhaps old user configurations did not load properly, try logging in as a new user
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06:38<rati>Nemoder: when i type username and password in gdm login. I cant see what is typing. just a cursor I can see
06:39<rati>Nemoder: so Should I make new user and loing to that user?
06:39<Nemoder>oh if there are problems before logging in then it's something else
06:40<rati>Nemoder: ya and Thing is that I can see complete fonts in xterm terminal while in xserver
06:40<rati>so I couldnt get what thing is causing problem
06:40<Nemoder>check your /var/logs/Xorg* files for errors
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06:46<rati>Nemoder: Hey in my xorg.conf file I dont have module section, File Section. also it dont have resolutions in Screen section. Does that cause problem?
06:46<Nemoder>Xorg in lenny has an autoconfiguration
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06:50<rati>Nemoder: ok. let me paste xorg.conf. I cant see any error over there
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06:52<rati>Nemoder: see
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06:54<MadHag>is it worth installing clamav?
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06:54<MadHag>on a server
06:55<petemc>depends on your needs
06:55<petemc>does that server do things like mail or file serving for windows clients
06:55<MadHag>just tried to install it and 3 files would not install is that normal?
06:55<MadHag>not for windows no
06:56<petemc>then i would say you dont need it
06:56<MadHag>servers just for hosting
06:57<rati>petemc: Can you help me out. I cant see anything on my desktop. I have upgraded to lenny and I have gnome installed
06:58<Shadowdancer>rati: what does xfontsel come up with?
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06:58<petemc>other than saying i think other people have experienced similar issues, check the bts
06:58<rati>petemc: ok
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06:59<rati>Shadowdancer: Error: Can't open Display:
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07:01<Shadowdancer>rati: that screenshot looks like you can read stuff in an xterm... run it from there.
07:02<rati>Shadowdancer: ya I can read in xterm. ok
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07:04<rati>Shadowdancer: I get one window which has quick button and many other buttons
07:04<rati>it also tells me warning?\: app-defaults file not properly installed
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07:06<Shadowdancer>you should have a string "-fndry-fmly-..." where the text is clickable. Check if useful fonts are coming up
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07:07<rati>Shadowdancer: no I have field0-13 and dash 13 times. nothing new
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07:11<Shadowdancer>install those packages, maybe there are fonts missing:
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07:13<Shadowdancer>and make sure libfreetype6 is installed and up to date
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07:15<rati>Shadowdancer: its installed and I have some other fonts also installed. let me install other
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07:16<Shadowdancer>are you sure the update ran to completion? run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and see if that comes up with eror messages.
07:18<candido>Hola, debo de estar desconectado porque no leo los mensajes
07:19<cA>hello, got strange behavior on a freshly installed 4.0r4 netinst, 2 NIC's, onboard works fine, pci card works but with high latency, arp & icmp take >1000ms on 100mbit full duplex, can anyone give me a hint?
07:19<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
07:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:20<candido>Hi, thanks
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07:26<rati>Shadowdancer: One of my friend has stop it by Ctrl+c and then run that from console. then it shows some error so dont apt-get -f install and then dont apt-get dist-update
07:27<Shadowdancer>the usual course of action is to run dist-upgrade and -f install until it finishes
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07:27<cA>for all i know its nor a hardware issue, tried different NIC's and different pc's of the same kind (compaq deskpro 6350), when booting a live cd everything works just fine
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07:28<rati>Shadowdancer: but after interupting in between it cant tell to proceed further so done -f install :(
07:29<Shadowdancer>once that finishes, run dist-upgrade again
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07:29<Shadowdancer>just switch between the two until it's done
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07:30<rati>Shadowdancer: Yes I have done same thing . after it completed installation I get this screen in which I cant see.
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07:32<Shadowdancer>did you try a fresh user account to see if it may be your preferences?
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07:33<rati>Shadowdancer: no. but how can i add it from aomman line to make it login?
07:33<MadHag>try a different desktop evironment
07:35<Shadowdancer>just run "adduser testuser" or something
07:35<RaZa>cA: lookup (using google) precisely what kernel modules are required for you're NIC(s). Then rebuild the kernel with what's required set to built in. remove the modules for any other NIC's in the kernel. reboot & keep you're fingers crossed. For more detailed info on rebuilding the kernel etc, use google :)
07:35<rati>MadHag: I installed kde, I start kdm but after that it start gnome session.
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07:35<MadHag>serve you right
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07:36<MadHag>keep at it
07:36<cogwheel>rati, there should be a sessions button somewhere.
07:37<rati>cogwheel: but in kdm I cant see it. whole screen is not visible
07:38<cogwheel>rati, try another theme then, or use the auto-resolution button in your monitor if you have one
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07:39<rati>cogwheel: see this image .
07:39<RaZa>rati: run (as root) cat < /etc/X11/default-display-manager what does that say
07:39<rati>RaZa: its kdm
07:40<rati>If I change it to gdm then it start gdm but problem is
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07:40<RaZa>change it to gdm, that'll give you a drop down menu to select the desktop environment you want to load
07:40<rati>I cant see any fonts on my desktop and login screen
07:40<RaZa>ahh, ok
07:41<RaZa>is that when you switch it to gdm or just as kdm?
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07:41<rati>Thats problem I am trying to solve. Its from gnome Display manager.
07:41<rati>I have isntalled kde but I cant see any menu so I cant change display manager
07:42<rati>I can change kdm and gdm but didn'd help
07:42<RaZa>hang on, so you installed kde & kdm, only then did the problem occur?
07:43<RaZa>and youve switched to gdm from kdm since then to check if it still works?
07:43<rati>RaZa: no I have upgraded from etch ---> lenny and then problem starts
07:44<RaZa>so in etch you had kde & gnome installed without any probs?
07:44<rati>RaZa: Earlier i have gdm. then I switch to kdm. but Desktop manager remains same
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07:44<rati>RaZa: only gnome installed, not kde
07:44<rati>but due to this problem I tried kde also
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07:44<RaZa>no kde, but you have kdm installed? I assume you did that manually?
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07:44<RaZa>so then you installed kde
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07:45<RaZa>I'm still confused :p. Did this problem start before or after you installed kdm?
07:45<rati>RaZa: no I dont have kde installed
07:45<rati>this problem starts after upgrade from etch--->lenny
07:46<rati>apt-get dist-upgrade
07:46<RaZa>and you were using kdm at the time
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07:46<rati>RaZa: no. gdm. at that time I dont hav kde installed or kdm
07:46<RaZa>have you tried using a non-dist specific one like xdm
07:47<rati>RaZa: no
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07:47<RaZa>or switching back to gdm
07:47<RaZa>(as root) run nano -w /etc/X11/default-display-manager
07:47<rati>RaZa: Now I switch back to gdm
07:47<cA>RaZa: thanks, modules are e100 for the onboard device and 8139too or 3c59x depending with wich NIC i try, the difference between the two NICs is that the one not working properly is a pci card, are there any pci related things worth looking into ?
07:47<rati>RaZa: done. its now gdm
07:48<RaZa>rati: power cycle it and see if it works :)
07:48<RaZa>or are you saying it still doesnt work
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07:49<RaZa>cA: not on the software front. A hardware problem could cause it. But the chances of a software issue on the PCI front other than the NIC's drivers is highly unlikely
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07:51<rati>RaZa: yes
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07:52<RaZa>rati: ok do an apt-get -y install xdm & then change /etc/X11/default-display-manager so it starts xdm
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07:53<RaZa>doing so should make xdm install all the fonts & other dependencies it needs, hopefully solving you're problem :)
07:54<cA>RaZa: ok thank you, i'll give it a try then, *fingers crossed*
07:54<rati>RaZa: same problem :(
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07:56<RaZa>hmm perhaps fixing the broken packages, maybe a fonts package is broken/ damaged
07:56<rati>RaZa: have any idea which one? I tried all packages but couldnt help
07:57<RaZa>rati: you could also try startx gnome just to see if it will start gnome directly
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07:58<rati>RaZa: it start gnome directly, but I cant see anything on desktop. Have you checked that image?
07:58<RaZa>which image
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07:59<RaZa>you'll have to give me a minute to look, internets a bit slow atm :)
08:00<rati>RaZa: no problem take your time
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08:02<RaZa>oh, one thing i fogot to ask, whilst i'm waiting on the image, have you looked on tty1 for any error messages after you see the font, or rather not see it
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08:02<rati>RaZa: no. I cant see anything.
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08:03<RaZa>looking at that it could be a xorg problem
08:04<RaZa>you could try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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08:05<rati>RaZa: yes not help. I tried that.
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08:05<RaZa>well, i'm running out of ideas, fast
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08:06<rati>RaZa: ok. But there is something from where it takes to load that fonts. I cant find that
08:06<RaZa>its certainly an odd situation, what with the text of the terminal & the fonts all displaying correctly but the images failing to be rendered
08:07<RaZa>what do you mean takes to load the fonts
08:07<RaZa>have you chucked a livecd in the box to check it isn't a hardware issue
08:09<rati>RaZa: I have earlier system running fine. so no hardware issue. also I have SuSe which runs fine
08:10<RaZa>hmm, well. at this point i'd do a re-install. But you may want to try asking here again tonight to see if someone else can;t help you
08:10<rati>while starting xserver it takes configuration or fonts from some file. if that may be missing or its currupted but I dont know which one it is
08:10<rati>RaZa: ok
08:10<RaZa>~/.xinit.rc is the config file for the per-user
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08:12<rati>RaZa: I dont have that file.
08:12<RaZa>ok then /etc/X11/xinit is thge system-wide config file
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08:13<rati>RaZa: I dont have that file also. I have just xinit folder
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08:13<RaZa>yes sorry i meant /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
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08:14<rati>RaZa: ya but I dont have file.
08:14<MadHag>what graphics have you got
08:15<rati>MadHag: ? graphics card?
08:15<RaZa>MadHag: He's already re-configured xserver-xorg, so I assume he's already been over the gfx drivers etc...
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08:16<MadHag>might be trying too big a resolution
08:16<rati>MadHag: Intel Corporation 82946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics controller
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08:17<MadHag>ça va
08:17<chr>oui merci
08:17<chr>j'ai un petit probleme
08:18<dpkg>fr is probably Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
08:18<chr>je cherche les source de lille en debian tesing
08:18<MadHag>parles anglais?
08:18<MadHag>ici c'est juste anglais pardon
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08:18<chr>sorry I didn't know
08:18<chr>It's the fisrt time that I use IRC
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08:19<EmleyMoor>Is there a Debian way to install a pear class/module that is not in Debian by default?
08:19<chr>I wanted the source from lille to download the testing updates
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08:21<dpkg>it has been said that testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <lenny>. See for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target>.
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08:23<MadHag>ma français c'est merde
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08:24<chr>it's better than my english :d
08:24<MadHag>your english is perfect so far
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08:24<chr>it's the first time someone tells me that
08:25<MadHag>actually the french people I know can write english well but not speak it
08:25<chr>I've just been looking the sites you gave me but there is no adresse for servers
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08:26<chr>because I am in brest an I download my updates in Nancy
08:26<MadHag>should be on the main site somewhere, I am new to Debian
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08:26<MadHag>Pyrenees here
08:26<chr>welcome to the club
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08:27<chr>i have already look in the main site but i didn't find it
08:27<MadHag>you want the source for lenny
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08:28<chr>yes it can match with testing
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08:33<MadHag>I can't find it either
08:33<chr>It doesn't matter I will keep the nancy's server for now
08:34<bylzz>Hello, no faq/google seems to know this; how do I fix: "debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" ?
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08:35<chr>does the file exist?
08:36<MadHag>I am suprised no one has answered you actually
08:36<bylzz>No.. I dont have a directory called /var/cache/debconf/
08:37<MadHag>bylzz, well find the file first maybe
08:37<chr>it's were the alsa source is installed
08:37<bylzz>MadHag: well, Ive had the file before.. its a system thats been up running for a long time with no problems before.. was surprised when I tried running apt-get install today and tons of errors came up.
08:38<chr>like what
08:38<bylzz>MadHag: No idea what could have happend to the system.. bad thing is that backups only cover last 7 days and the directory is missing on there to.
08:39<MadHag>you need someone a bit more experienced than me thats for sure
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08:39<chr>what does the "apt-get -f install" does?
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08:39<petemc>its bad form to correct grammar
08:39<bylzz>wait ill paste it somewhere
08:40<randymyr>heeey peopleses
08:40<lieven>can someone help me to install my Wireless USB Network Adapter..?
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08:40<randymyr>I have one, and i did it, but have no idea how the hell i did it... sorry
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08:41<Txt-file>lieven: more details? (debian version, wlan-chip etc)
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08:41<randymyr>took me 4 hours... and i apparently installed it twice, but i got it, lol
08:41<chr>i've just finished the install wiresless usb
08:42<chr>it's a windows driver or not?
08:42<lieven>usb adapter: Belkin F5D7050
08:42<lieven>yes it is...
08:42<MadHag>question: is the performance in linux with wifi the same as windows?
08:43<gsimmons>lieven: You'll need to be more specific.
08:43<dpkg>The F5D7050 is a USB wireless LAN adapter manufactured by Belkin. Depending on the device's version/revision, it may have either a RT2500 (v1000/v2000), RT2570 (v3000) or ZD1211 (v4000) chipset within. Ask me about <what's my wireless>, then ask about <ralink> or <zydas>.
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08:43<chr>install wireless-tools
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08:45<chr>bylzz you have an aptitude working that's why you can't do the apt-get -f install
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08:45<bylzz>chr: how can you see that?
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08:46<chr>bylzz create the file config.bat it's a bit brutakl but It maybe work
08:46<bylzz>chr: ps aux|grep aptitude yielded nothing
08:47<bylzz>chr: heh, ok.. ill try it that way..
08:47<chr>sorry I haven't read it corectely
08:47<chr>after the error messaeE)
08:47<chr>message (E: error (1))
08:47<chr>I thought that it was because you couldn't lock ehte /var/dpkg
08:48<chr>the /var/dpkg
08:48<bylzz>chr: been looking for the problem with apt on that machine for a few hours now.. tried everything i know of
08:48<lieven>version of the adapter: v3000
08:48<bylzz>seems to me like all the errors are coming from the missing config.dat
08:49<chr>bylzz:you have created the fileconfig.bat or not?
08:49<chr>lieven: have you got wireless-tools installed?
08:50<lieven>not that i know
08:50<bylzz>chr: i did now.. created the dir to..
08:50<chr>levien ndiswrapper -i <your driver>
08:50<bylzz>chr: seems like something has wiped my /var/cache/* on this system..
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08:50<bylzz>chr: running locate yields "
08:51<bylzz>an error to.
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08:51<chr>apt-get install give you an error?
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08:52<chr>I can't help you much further I think
08:52<bylzz>chr: seems to be working now, amazing that it was that easy! thanks! :D
08:52<chr>no probs
08:53<bylzz>looking at the config.dat on all the other systems had me thinking that i couldnt just recreate it..
08:53<lieven>invalid driver...
08:54<chr>I didn't though about it before because I was searhing on the net
08:54<chr>lieven you must download your driver
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08:54<gsimmons>lieven: What version of Debian are you using?
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08:57<chr>lieven you must have the file .inf to install it by ndiswrapper
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08:58<lieven>i have it on cd
08:58<gsimmons>lieven: There are native drivers available for the RT2500USB/RT2570 chipset. For the stock 2.6.18 kernel, you can compile the legacy rt2570 out-of-tree module using module-assistant. Alternatively, the rt2500usb module from the rt2x00 project is included within etchnhalf (2.6.24) kernels.
08:59<lieven>and how do i do this..? :s
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09:02<gsimmons>lieven: For rt2570: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a update && m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2570 && modprobe rt2570". For rt2500usb: Install an etchnhalf kernel using a package manager, then reboot your system into the 2.6.26 (etchnhalf) kernel.
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09:04<lieven>aptitude module-assistant && m-a update && m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2570 && modprob rt2570
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09:13<lieven>modprobe : command not found...
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09:14<gsimmons>lieven: As root. Make sure you spell it with an "e", too.
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09:18<engkeboy>my debian-etch is using software-raid and lvm.. my problem is suddenly my pc fail to startup.. i just found out that my /dev/hdb1 is dead. so i have my hdd replaced. now i don't know how to replace it.. i've already attached my new hdd..
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09:33<Baggy2>Hi all!
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09:33<Baggy2>Where is gcc located on a fresh debian install?
09:34<Baggy2>If this is the case, does that mean that that an old version of gcc will get replaced if I compile and install a new version?
09:35<Baggy2>I mean without changing the default prefix
09:37<s3p4n>i think so
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09:38<engkeboy>my debian-etch is using software-raid and lvm.. my problem is suddenly my pc fail to startup.. i just found out that my /dev/hdb1 is dead. so i have my hdd replaced. now i don't know how to replace it.. i've already attached my new hdd..
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09:43<nubie>mmm mne nikto ne mojet pomoch so smeshnoi problemoi?
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09:54<Baggy2>What's the simplest way to unpack a rpm file in linux?
09:54<panthera>rpm2cpio $rpm | cpio -id
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09:56<Zathraz>hi. Is SimpleXML disabled by default in the Debian PHP5 package ?
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09:56<Baggy2>panthera: where can I find rpm2cpio? Couldn't find it in the repository
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09:57<panthera>Baggy2: install rpm
09:59<Baggy2>panthera: thanks
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10:06<Flinx>has anyone here used the debian uboot to reconfigure thier open moko?
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10:13<stevecotton>FFS - so many "free" games are turning out to have copyright violations :(
10:13<Flinx>that sucks
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10:17*stevecotton just joined a Fedora mailing list to reply. "This game has copyvio's, so we're going to replace its sound effects with ones from these games" > "erm... might want to check those games too"
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10:22<stephen>Hi guys.. how come debian 4 doesnt have raidtools2 in its repo?
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10:24<gsimmons>stephen: Because it has been replaced by mdadm.
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10:25<stephen>gsimmons thanks.. how do i do a mkraid /dev/md0 then?
10:25<stephen>gsimmons doh sorry.. reread the howto .. thanks
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10:27<Flinx>silly question..
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10:27<Flinx>if i did -- svn co (url) -- to check out something.. I don't have to check it in unless I make a change right?
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10:30<Flinx>yeah.. ignore me :p
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10:32<Flinx>how come "make" is not a default package?
10:32<stevecotton>Flinx: I don't think so. Certainly not if you didn't need to log in to check it out.
10:33<Flinx>stevecotton, Thanks... I'm really noob to subversion >.<
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10:33<marc_>Hello everybody
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10:33<marc_>I have a kernel rebuild question
10:34<stevecotton>Flinx: the gcc compilers aren't default either. Not everyone develops.
10:34<wilram2>i need the kernel
10:34<Flinx>stevecotton, fair enough....
10:34<marc_>I'm in the process of xconfig right now and am wondering if I need IDE/SCSI support at all? My comp runs on SATA only according to the bios
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10:35<marc_>Will my dvd drive work without ATAPI support?
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10:35<wilram2>i don't think so
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10:35<Flinx>what am i missing here?
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10:36<Flinx>looks like the gcc compiler..
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10:41<massmc>test test *blows in the mic*
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10:43<les>Flinx, Yes, it is the gcc, what is missing
10:44<Flinx>les, got it :D
10:44<les>ok :)
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10:46<stephen>nautilus:~# mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=linear --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
10:46<stephen>mdadm: chunk size defaults to 64K
10:46<stephen>mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy
10:46<stephen>mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy
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10:47<stephen>Doh.. sorry ..
10:47<stephen>Im trying to create a software raid..
10:47<stephen>its telling me /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 are in use.. but nothing is using them. .
10:48<stephen>here is my command mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=linear --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
10:48<stephen>mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy
10:48<stephen>mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy
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10:53<Flinx>horray.. I think I unborked my FreeRunner!
10:54<reneger>FreeRunner? horrible software meets old hardware?
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10:54<Flinx>my Neo Freerunner
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10:55<stephen>dmsetup ls
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11:15<marc_>Neo Freerunner?
11:16<marc_>You have one of the dev kits?
11:16<Flinx>marc_, yeah
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11:17<marc_>I wanted one pretty bad, but decided to wait
11:17<Flinx>I got it from koolu cause the main store was always out of stock
11:17<marc_>The community is still pretty weak as well
11:17<marc_>The forums have very little talk and almost no history
11:17<Flinx>I duno
11:17<marc_>which worried me
11:17<Flinx>The IRC is always pretty busy
11:17<marc_>simply because I'm not a guru so I need the community knowledge lol
11:18<marc_>is it?
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11:18<marc_>I got a Blackberry curve for now
11:18<marc_>its pretty money, but the whole linux thing is almost a point of pride now
11:19<Flinx>marc_, #openmoko ;D
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11:19<trueno>Hi! I can't mount/umount big (>1GB) usb drives in konqueror, they don't even show up under media! However, I can mount them manually and smaller drives have no problems, any hint? could it be any strange hal/dbus/udev config?
11:19<Flinx>but yeah I've got Debian installed on the SD card
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11:20<Flinx>marc_, I know that they are plotting out the GTA03 hardware tho
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11:20<marc_>Yeah, the new hardware looks a bit more enticing
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11:23<JRHartley>trueno: try looking in menu -> settings -> look & feel -> desktop -> behaviour -> and check that all 3 tabs have appropriate boxes ticked. i'm assuming kde, since you mentioned konqueror earlier
11:23<Flinx>marc_, where did you see it listed?
11:23<Flinx>marc_, I've only heard about it in the newsletter
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11:25<JRHartley>trueno: also check to see what filesystems are available to you. cat /proc/filesystems only works for loaded modules, so if your kernel is modular, a search of /lib/modules/`uname -r` is where you need to look. it may be a funny filesystem like hfs+ or something. file -s, or blkid might be instructive also
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11:29<trueno>JRHartley: this just happens with two usb flash drives. Both are 2GB and both work...
11:29<JRHartley>trueno: so what filesystem is on them ?
11:30<trueno>JRHartley: vfat
11:31<JRHartley>JRHartley: and what about lsusb/dmesg ? are the devices being seen by usb system ?
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11:31<JRHartley>oops trueno that was for you :)
11:32<trueno>JRHartley: yes, they show up and in fact I can manually mount them... Must be a udev problem
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11:33<JRHartley>trueno: sorta sounds reasonable. but it could be a kde/pmount problem
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11:34<JRHartley>trueno: udev is only responsible for loading modules and creating device special files iirc. so it prolly a higher-level thing to blame
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11:37<trueno>JRHartley: lsusb : Bus 005 Device 004: ID 0951:1603 Kingston Technology Data Traveler 1GB/2GB Pen Drive
11:39<trueno>JRHartley: pmount works manually:
11:39<trueno>pmount /dev/sdb1
11:39<trueno>rna:~$ ls /media/
11:39<trueno>cdrom cdrom0 sdb1
11:41<JRHartley>trueno: hmmm. not sure what to suggest. udev is ok. maybe a hal thing. and if it is, i'm not the guy to answer :)
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11:44<trueno>JRHartley: thanks :-))
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12:00<enouf>wrong channel fxiny ? :-p
12:00<fxiny>enouf: damn !
12:01<enouf>fxiny: no porb! ;-)
12:01<fxiny>enouf: evil BGP hijacked my action and redirected it here ? we are doomed :P
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12:14<elmafioso90>hola alguien sabe de aircrack en ubuntu
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12:16<elmafioso90>aireplay ayuuuuda
12:16<fxiny>ubu here ? must be a BGP redirect :P
12:16<overflow>elmafioso90: la pregunta es muy ambigua me parece
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12:17<elmafioso90>lo siento necesito inyeccion de info pa las redes wifi necesito ayuda con los comandos en ubuntu
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12:19<fxiny>elmafioso90: wrong chan join #ubuntu on freenode
12:21<elmafioso90>thanks fxiny
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12:21<fxiny>elmafioso90: baciamo le mani :P
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12:36<neo>I have a special need on NFS and I don't find any solution in the man page
12:37<neo>is it possible to deny the export of a subdirectory of a directory that is exported by nfs ?
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12:54<ckt1g3r>hello ppl
12:55<Villarroel>I'm on amd64, how can I install a 32-bit package usgin apt? Is there a command-line, editing the repository or I need to browse ?
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12:56<Villarroel>Can I have a 32-bit kernel on a amd64 system?
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12:58<SamuraiDio>i'm having problem with aptitude full-upgrade. After tried upgrade i had errors with most packages, like this:
12:58<SamuraiDio>how can i resolve this problems?
12:58<Villarroel>I have done some research and the only way to make my wireless work is with ndiswrapper, sadly the windows driver supplied is not 64-bit compatible.
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12:59<Villarroel>I think i will migrate to i386.
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13:00<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, what is your problem? i use ndiswrapper with amd64
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13:00<SamuraiDio>with atheros
13:00<abb4d0n>hey - sorry if it's the wrong place, i've installed debian 2 days ago and i'm having some problem w/ my login screen - was wandering if somone here could help.... since i've tried to install an NVIDIA driver or since ive installed kdm (can't tell which) the login screen theme has changed a bit, but what's really bothering me is that now i can't change the settings - not on the login screen and not when logged in - and also i can't logi
13:00<abb4d0n>some1 here knows what caused it and what can i do w/ it?
13:00<fxiny>SamuraiDio: are you upgrading to lenny from etch ?
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13:01<SamuraiDio>abb4d0n, "changed a bit" is not enough info to help, restart X (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace) and check you logs
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13:02<SamuraiDio>fxiny, no, i was upgrading from lenny to lenny
13:02<abb4d0n>what should i search for?
13:02<SamuraiDio>fxiny, almost one year old installation
13:02<SamuraiDio>abb4d0n, errors
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13:03<SamuraiDio>with this patience he will not get help anywhere
13:03<SamuraiDio>fxiny, seens that a missing script, that should run on install/remove, is making all the worse
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13:04<fxiny>SamuraiDio: does aptitude -s upgrade outputs the same as installing dirmngr or is it just dirmngr ?
13:04<fxiny>i mean , is your system updated ?
13:04<abb4d0n>(alt+ctrl+bksp) returned me to the login screen
13:04<Villarroel>SamuraiDio: I have compiled the last version of ndiswrapper. ndiswrapper (check_nt_hdr:150): kernel is 64-bit, but Windows driver is not 64-bit;bad magic: 010B
13:05<SamuraiDio>i was trying to update and had errors on many packages, and cound't update at all
13:06<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, i think that is don't mind, the driver i'm using is 32 bit, i think
13:06<fxiny>SamuraiDio: what about aptitude -s dist-upgrade ?
13:06<abb4d0n>it looks like the default 1 just has both usrname and pw fields on the same time and nowhere to configure the settings
13:06<fxiny>SamuraiDio: and check apt-get -s dist-upgrade as well
13:06<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, and if you have only a 64 bit kernel you'll have no problem by that
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13:07<SamuraiDio>fxiny, aptitude is not trunting any packages at the moment.. :(
13:08<abb4d0n>any1 here has any idea what caused my problem?
13:08<SamuraiDio>fxiny, everything show like this: Inst kregexpeditor [4:3.5.7-3] (4:3.5.9-2 Debian:testing) [dirmngr ]
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13:09<SamuraiDio>abb4d0n, yeah restart X should have got you to login screen
13:09<SamuraiDio>seens i'm talking to a wall :@
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13:10<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, did you compilled niswrapper with module-assistant?
13:11<Villarroel>SamuraiDio: Nop.
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13:11<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, then, remove and redo it with m-a
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13:11<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, aptitude install module-assistant
13:11<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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13:12<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, i think your problem is with ndiswrapper compilation
13:12<Villarroel>SamuraiDio: I have compiled from the source (, 1.53 is not on etch. I don't know how to that the debian way.
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13:13<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, i'm telling you how to ;)
13:13<dpkg>hello, samuraidio
13:13<dpkg>well, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
13:14<SamuraiDio>!tell Villarroel about backports
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13:15<dpkg>Beryl was a compositing window manager for the X Window System, previously a fork of <Compiz>. The Beryl Project was merged with Compiz Extras in 2007 to form Compiz Fusion., #compiz-fusion @
13:15<SamuraiDio>!tell jammy_ about msg
13:15<Villarroel>Humm, SamuraiDio, in backports is not the last version.
13:16<SamuraiDio>ohhh :(
13:16<jammy_>ive installed beryl now how do i use it?
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13:16<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, you can use m-a to install a source not from debian also, but i dont know exaclty how to do that
13:16<jammy_>soryy .. compix not beryl
13:17<Villarroel>SamuraiDio: me neither.
13:17<Villarroel>Ok, thanks. Now I need to reboot.
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13:17<jammy_>and my apt-get doesn't show install
13:17<SamuraiDio>jammy_, compiz --replace
13:19<SamuraiDio>fxiny, dirmngr: Depende: libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1) mas não está instalável
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13:20<SamuraiDio>fxiny, sorry, i'll paste in english
13:21<fxiny>SamuraiDio: apt-get -s install libldap2 ?
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13:24<Villarroel>32-bit kernel does not boot on 64-bit system, binary format error.
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13:24<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, ???
13:24<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, uname -a
13:25<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, cat /pro/cpuinfo
13:25<Villarroel>Linux loltop 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 21 10:36:02 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
13:25<SamuraiDio>pastebin thtat all please
13:25<SamuraiDio>no, don't need the second
13:25<Villarroel>I know.
13:26<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, what is the package name of ndiswrapper you downloaded?
13:26<fxiny>SamuraiDio: check the BTS
13:27<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, ndiswrapper -v
13:27<SamuraiDio>fxiny, BTS??
13:27<fxiny>SamuraiDio: >> ERROR Package not available in this suite.
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13:27<Villarroel>SamuraiDio: 1.53 from sourceforge.
13:27<fxiny>SamuraiDio: bug tracking system
13:27<SamuraiDio>fxiny, checking
13:27<Villarroel>I have uninstalled it.
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13:29<SamuraiDio>fxiny, any idea on how to reolve this problem?
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13:29<Villarroel>I'm going to migrate to i386.
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13:30<SamuraiDio>Villarroel, you may not need that
13:30<fxiny>SamuraiDio: i have the simplest idea of all : wait :)
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13:31<jammy_>and my apt-get doesn't show install and cant use tab... what do i do?
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13:31<SamuraiDio>fxiny, so, resuming... the package is really broken, and i can't do any upgrade util it become fixed, and my system is fine at all. is that right?
13:31<fxiny>jammy_: what do you mean by that ?
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13:31<fxiny>SamuraiDio: or the packages will be replaced by another
13:32<jammy_>meaning when i type apt-get and press tab it doesn't show "install" and so i cant see any packages (autocomplete)
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13:33<qq>jammy_: apt-get --help
13:33<SamuraiDio>fxiny, i may try a dummy package to libldap-2.4-2, right?
13:34<fxiny>SamuraiDio: it sounds not right
13:34<Villarroel>How can I list all packages instaled manually?
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13:35<fxiny>SamuraiDio: just give ppl sorting bugs for lenny release , a little time . i bet they are under pressure
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13:37<SamuraiDio>i know, i just want to fix it temporary for now, to make it work fine later...
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13:37<SamuraiDio>as the release of dbian lenny comes near, we can't wait much of new packages on debian until there...
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13:39<dpkg>one warez list being sent to michele
13:40<fxiny>SamuraiDio: i'm still on etch . it works fine for my hardware . i'm still happy with etch . i'll try an upgrade over the weekend : i found the very first etch base intall image . but i've been told "it possibly work" , soon or later it will .
13:40<Villarroel>Ok, thanks, bye.
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13:41<SamuraiDio>how do i unmark pending action on aptitude by command line?
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13:41<Michele>sorry, but how i can find channel to download?
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13:44<SamuraiDio>Michele, what do you want?
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13:44<SamuraiDio>Michele, this is a help channel, you will not find fservs or anything downloadable here
13:45<Michele>ok thx XD
13:45<SamuraiDio>Michele, what are you looking for?
13:45<Michele>you speak italian?
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13:53<m_101>I've got this message : eth0: TX MAC xmit underrun
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13:55<m_101>when I connected in SSH and I try to locate a file, the link die and when I go see on the Sun Blade 1000, there is this message :
13:55<m_101>eth0: TX MAC xmit underrun
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14:04<WayneSallee>I need a boot floppy, or boot cd that will boot, and then wait for my choice of boot so that I can plug in my usb drive, and then choose to boot from it.
14:04<WayneSallee>For some reason one of my motherboards does not like my usb drive now that it has been set to be bootable, and the moptherboard freazes weather it is set to boot from usb or not.
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14:10<SamuraiDio>does someone knows those funny apt-get commands?
14:10<noflash>WayneSallee, you might look at sysrescuecd
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14:10<noflash>SamuraiDio, man apt-get might
14:11<lewis2>I ran a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny. Upgrade process completed well. Rebooted. Machine didn't come back up. Most likely issue?
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14:11<noflash>WayneSallee, maybe...if that's what google says ;)
14:12<WayneSallee>Yea that's what google says :-)
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14:12<noflash>that's it
14:13<SamuraiDio>noflash, ???
14:14<SamuraiDio>noflash, what did you tell me that?
14:14<m_101> when I connected in SSH and I try to locate a file, the link die and when I go see on the Sun Blade 1000, there is this message :
14:14<m_101>eth0: TX MAC xmit underrun
14:14<noflash>SamuraiDio, if I was looking for apt-get commands...that's where I'd look
14:14<SamuraiDio>noflash, no common commands, i want the funny ones, the jokes :P
14:15<fxiny>i run out at it :P
14:15<noflash>heh...don't know those
14:16<SamuraiDio>noflash, apt-get moo
14:16<SamuraiDio>noflash, there are others
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14:16<noflash>wtf does that have to do with debian?
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14:22<WayneSallee>Thanks noflahs, It looks like it will do what I need. I'm downloading it now.
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14:31<mib_ggvmv3>i have a problem with my Lenny
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14:32<mib_ggvmv3>i cannot use ext3, ntfs or anyother for a normal user
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14:33<m_101>be more specific ...
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14:34<mib_ggvmv3>i had installed lenny testing on a laptop with 4 ext3 drives
14:35<mib_ggvmv3>though they were accessible to root user i couldn access it when i login as a normal user
14:35<mib_ggvmv3>same problem i got with the NTFS partion on another system
14:35<mib_ggvmv3>i changed the access rights f the mount point
14:35<mib_ggvmv3>yet no change
14:36<mib_ggvmv3>i edited the fstab
14:36<mib_ggvmv3>no change
14:36<blarson>mib_ggvmv3: Did you set the "user" option in fstab?
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14:37<m_101>ok nice, I've resolved my problem ... ^^
14:37<m_101>if you get this : "eth0: TX MAC xmit underrun"
14:38<m_101>type this : "ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
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14:40<Hades2>Im looking at the architectures for Debain, and im not finding an non AMD64, since 64 bit has issues with flash
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14:41<m_101>take i386
14:41<Hades2>i thought i386 was intel...
14:41<mib_ggvmv3>any idea about my problem?? anybody??
14:42<SamuraiDio>Hades2, yes, it is, and that is what you need
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14:43<mib_ggvmv3>i have been installing systems in my college with lenny and there are a lot of people who is having same problem
14:44<mib_ggvmv3>it would be good if anyone can hep
14:44<m_101>Hades2, .... AMD are Intel compatible
14:44<m_101>AMD and Intel are arch x86
14:44<m_101>i386 is x86-32
14:44<m_101>and no x86-64
14:45<SamuraiDio>x86_64 = amd64
14:45<SamuraiDio>i386 = x86 = ia32
14:45<m_101>they are both x86 arch though ....
14:46<m_101>(AMD and Intel has their own 64 bits instructions sets though ....)
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14:47<Hades2>i have a 64bit AMD but since there is not flash for 64bit yet i guess i will have to suffice with 32
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14:49<massmc>how do i remove repositries from shell and add them?
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14:50<Txt-file>Hades2: flash is availible for 64bit OS ... but not the adobe flash ... I run amd64 sid and use swfdec
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14:50<dpkg>swfdec is probably another free flash implementation which can play youtube videos and integrates with GNOME
14:51<blarson>And there is a iceweasel plugin to run the 32-bit flash on amd64 iceweasel.
14:51<Txt-file>or so
14:51<Hades2>bah FF ftw
14:51<Txt-file>iceweasel = ff
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14:51<newsense>im thinking about setting up a fileserver for my lan, whats the debian preferred protocol ?
14:52<Hades2>im guessing
14:52<newsense>i was thinking that
14:52<Txt-file>newsense: what about NFS?
14:52<mahesh>is there a channel exclusive for Lenny :) ??
14:52<newsense>nfs is insecure aint it
14:52<newsense>i wouldnt think that would be the debian way
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14:53<fugit>massmc: /msg dpkg sources.list
14:54<newsense>yeah nfs must be insecure i have harden-servers installed and if i install nfs-servewr its going to be uninstaled
14:54<massmc>thanks fugit
14:56<Hades2>i hate ubuntu, and gentoo is a hassle to install
14:56<mahesh>i had asked about a partition problem. Ext3 not getting mounted for a normal user
14:56<Hades2>so i might as well go with debian
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14:56<mahesh>i meant cant
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14:57<mahesh>They say "for security reasons"
14:57<mahesh>any way to change it??
14:58<newsense>mahesh: might be helpful to include the command you ran and the output
14:58<mahesh>The GUI says it.
14:59<newsense>also output of fdisk -l
14:59<newsense>oh gui sorry
14:59<newsense>what gui ?
14:59<mahesh>its the nautilus saying so
14:59<newsense>too much information is never enough:)
15:00<mahesh>ok here is the full story
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15:00<mahesh>I was too much excitedwith LENNY getting freezed.
15:00<mahesh>I asked many of my friend to install Lenny
15:00<newsense>sorry i dont use gui to mount drives but i think you gave enough info for others to help
15:00<mahesh>I got trapped by that
15:01<mahesh>many had such small problems
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15:01<mahesh>Cant mount ext3 drives for normal user, root cant mount external drives etc
15:02<mahesh>I tried editing the fstab, added "user" first and then tried "users"
15:02<mahesh>still nothing
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15:02<mahesh>i changed the access rights of mount point
15:03<mahesh>This was not so with Etch
15:03<mahesh>It was runnig smooth
15:03<mahesh>now what is this in Lenny
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15:04<mahesh>Even if its via terminal, access is still not being granted
15:04<mahesh>another issue i faced was again related to fstab.
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15:04<Txt-file>!tell mahesh about flood
15:05<Txt-file>np ... but for next time
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15:06<Txt-file>mahesh: why did you upgrade from etch to lenny if a few friends of you have some problems with lenny
15:06<mahesh>it was all done in a single day and problems were different
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15:09<SamuraiDio>i can't install, upgrade or even remove a package, can someone help me?
15:09<mahesh>there was no device called "hda*" in /dev and yet the entries in fstab were all "hda*"
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15:10<newsense>during initia8.7G seems a little big for a fairly newly installed system doesnt it ?
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15:13<mahesh>the grub also did the same mistake during the first run and had to be corrected manually. hda instead of sda. somewhere in root=...
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15:16<mahesh>cds and dvds were not mounted onto /media/cdrom or /cdrom. instead it was mounted onto /media/<name of the cd/dvd>. This created problem with synaptic.
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15:18<mahesh>atleast tell me where i should report all these? I thought they were release critical stuff.
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15:20<KnuckOne>tell mahesh about bug report
15:21<KnuckOne>i don't remember :p
15:21<KnuckOne>mahesh, read this
15:22<mahesh>i have read that a million times but i stiil dont know which section this belongs to
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15:22<massmc>how do i add diff users to open-ssh so can log in with diff ccounts?
15:22<mahesh>it aint part of package as such right
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15:22<massmc>says i can only add 1 or 2 users when i adduser in root
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15:26<mahesh>thanks guys..
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15:30<giano>hi! I'm new to debian and I'd like to install keepass and other programs. I looked in the repositories and there aren't a lot of new versions, like firefox3 (I'm running iceweasel but it is version 2), pidgin (but there is the older gaim) and so on. The big problem is that I can't install keepass deb package because dependencies available in repositories are OLD! How can I do? thank you very...
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15:31<Txt-file>giano: do you run etch?
15:31<giano>I do
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15:35<Txt-file>!tell giano about backports
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15:35<Txt-file>giano: the backports could solve your problem
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15:38<giano>I'm trying to understand..
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15:46<magyar_>anyone knows what ".rnd" file is?
15:47<giano>and what about if backports can't solve?
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15:48<Txt-file>giano: self-compile
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15:49<giano>I tried
15:49<giano>but it comes out with some errors
15:50<Txt-file>magyar_: under windows this are "PGP random seed"-files
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15:50<Txt-file>giano: ff3?
15:50<giano>no keepassx
15:52<magyar_>Txt-file, what about debian ?
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15:53<Txt-file>magyar_: I think the same .. but I am not sure .. from where is the file?
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15:59<Txt-file>giano: for what do you need keepassx? I use brain (version 2.0).
16:00<giano>I have keepassx installed on other pcs
16:01<giano>and I use it to store passwords
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16:02<path>hello out there
16:02<path>is there any debian's bug day? can't find any information
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16:07<giano>I'm trying to self-compile using instructions and source from keepass's website but there is an error
16:07<giano>in source I think
16:07<SamuraiDio>i can't install, upgrade or even remove a package, can someone help me?
16:08<Txt-file>giano: can you pastebin it?
16:08<giano>of course just a second
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16:09<compaq>maybe try to stop the service then do it
16:10<compaq>it isn't trying to install, it is trying to uninstall
16:10<giano>here it is
16:10<giano>last 4 lines I think
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16:12<Txt-file>giano: looks like error in the source ... has it a configure-script and run this without any error
16:13<giano>I don't understand... If there is an error in source, what can I do?
16:14<Txt-file>giano: if there is a error you have two ways you can go ... 1. correct it .. 2. contact the keepassx-team and ask they
16:15<giano>I'll try the second way
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16:19<giano>but *why* so old software?
16:21<compaq>what is it you are tying to install anyway?
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16:22<giano>keepassx, a password manager
16:22<compaq>when I used to compile Q packages, it was a three step process
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16:22<compaq>did you try fpm?
16:23<compaq>its a good password manager
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16:23<compaq>There is the gnome one too, gpass
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16:24<compaq>also pwsafe and zsafe
16:24<giano>the fact is: I have two other pcs, on which keepass is working very well. I can't install another pm
16:24<Txt-file>giano: the old versions cause they are long tested and marked as very stable ... and in stable (actual etch) are only packages wich are very stable
16:25<compaq>maybe download another copy, dunno then, how did you install on the two other computers?
16:25<giano>other two pcs have winxp and linux mint
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16:25<giano>Txt-file: ahhhh!! now I understand!
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16:26<Txt-file>by the way: since today I realy hate winshit vista ... but I need the shit for a LAN-party at the weekend
16:26<compaq>try another file, maybe a tar file or an rpm and convert to deb, thats the best thing
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16:26<compaq>LAN-party, whats thats, and why can't you do it with linux
16:27<giano>I hate win too... but I have to use it
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16:27<compaq>I don't have to use Windows, unless you put a gun to my head, and even then, maybe I will resist
16:28<compaq>Screw windows to hell
16:28<compaq>Those pigs
16:28<Txt-file>compaq: try to play counter-strike or BF2 on a linux-pc ... I didn't get it worked
16:28<giano>I have to use it for my dad's job
16:28<Txt-file>I loved windows I used it for download linux.
16:29<compaq>oh, what about the joystick? or do you use keyboard, or mouse?
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16:29<compaq>I always do netinstall
16:29<Txt-file>compaq: I use the netinst-CDs
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16:31<compaq>man...whats a good country to get away from the MS conspiracy
16:31<compaq>cause they gonna lock me up soon or kill me
16:31<compaq>They are very cruel and sadistic
16:31<compaq>And horny
16:32<compaq>Pakistan isn't it, it is MS country
16:32<qq>compaq: suisse ...
16:32<compaq>qq whats that mean?
16:32<qq>or butan
16:33<qq>"whats a good country to get away from the MS conspiracy"
16:33<compaq>seriously? I think I am just gonna go for pakistan
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16:33<qq>butan has debain as official OS
16:33<compaq>Probably I get killed though, but maybe I get lucky
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16:34<Txt-file>but cause the windows-sh** ... I wanted to reinstall my game-pc with a 64Bit-windoze ... XP can't install itself on a SATA-hdd and under vista my eth0 don't work ... and somebody means that M$ create good systems
16:34<compaq>man...the MS gang killed my family and stole me when I was a baby
16:35<compaq>I installed XP on sata before
16:35<compaq>They use me for sex baby toy
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16:37<giano>great idea
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16:38<giano>opening Keepass portable version with wine
16:38<compaq>Nope Butan isn't a good place to get away from MS conspiracy
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16:39<giano>IT IS WORKING !!
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16:40<Txt-file>giano: congratulaitons
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16:51<giano>ok now I go.. thank you and see you soon (for other problems :P)
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16:55<zboy417>are there any free shoutcast broadcasting software for debian?
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16:56<Txt-file>listen or send?
16:57<Matt>you could try icecast
16:57<Matt>that's what I used to use, way back
16:58<zboy417>how does it work :)
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16:58<zboy417>(and can it broadcast using shoutcast)
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16:58<devman>just a quick question...where can I find the debian source repository?
16:59<qq>on debian mirrors?
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17:01<qq> or in >>> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
17:01<fischer>how to upgrade kernel?
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17:02<Txt-file>fischer: do you have hardware wich don't work?
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17:03<fischer>not needed then? Txt-file
17:03<Txt-file>fischer: yeah ...
17:04<fischer>Txt-file, whats that autocomplete thing called ? in the terminal when we press tab?
17:04<Txt-file>fischer: you can install a new kernel but its not recommended
17:05<fischer>i mean apt-get it doesn't let me use tab for [ackages
17:05<Txt-file>fischer: bash-completion
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17:06<Txt-file>root hasn't the completion
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17:08<fischer>ur asking or telling?
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17:10<zboy417>i can't figure out icecast2 (is there any software that is all together, kinda like Sam Broadcaster for windows)
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17:12<qdii>i'm looking for the name of a package to help me draw mathematic things (triangles and such on) .
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17:13<Txt-file>fischer: I know it cause this is one reason why I use sudo
17:13<Txt-file>qdii: OOo Draw?? :)
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17:14<qdii>it's like "plot" something
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17:14<amphi>qdii: inkscape?
17:14<fischer>also i installed wine but its not showing in the menu. Txt-file
17:14<qdii>nah wasn't that :x
17:15<qq>apt-cache search math
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17:15<KnuckOne>if you want completion on root add to /etc/bash.bashrc
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17:16<Txt-file>fischer: its under applications -> system tools ... at my desk
17:17<chahibi>qdii, apt-get install kig
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17:17<qdii>oh yea KIG that's it
17:17<qdii>great :)
17:17<qdii>thansk a lot
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17:28*egns saluda a todo dios
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17:32<n08l3J>anyone with the information on ("hardware abstraction layer: hald ) on the debian 4
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17:34<n08l3J>no one here ?
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17:35<tmg1|reimann>what could cause gdb not to see debugging symbols when the development library of a package is installed?
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17:43<Battousai>is there a channel staffer available?
17:44<Villarroel>Por fin, at last, My Wireless is working (!)
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17:47<Villarroel>How do I disable the alsa modules built in the kernel modules, to install newer ones from source?
17:47<Villarroel>Or they are replaced?
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17:49<tuxsarge>alguien que hable en español? XD
17:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:49<tmg1|reimann>Villarroel: like delmod?
17:49<Villarroel>tuxsarge: entra a #debian-es
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17:49<tmg1|reimann>or modconf?
17:49<tmg1|reimann>installing new ones from source is a little more compmlex
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17:49<Villarroel>tmg1|reimann: I don't know that let me read the manuals.
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17:54<tmg1|reimann>i think it's delmod. delmod or rmmod or something
17:54<tmg1|reimann>but modconf is probably what you want
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17:55<Villarroel>What does modconf exactly do, it removes the .ko files from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/...
17:55<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead
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17:57<tmg1|reimann>oh that's handy
17:57<Villarroel>Or, it is just for module unloading?
17:57<newsense>!ops confrey is spamming
17:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: newsense complains about: confrey is spamming
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17:57<confrey>excuse me
17:58<jpds>newsense: May have just missed out the "/" ?
17:58<confrey>I miss the /
17:58<jpds>newsense: You should assume good faith.
17:58<azeem>newsense: please don't spam !ops, thx
17:58<newsense>im not that type a person, i live in a shitty neighborhood in chicago
17:58<azeem>newsense: please keep it on topic
17:58<tmg1|reimann>newsense: move?
17:59<newsense>seen him join and say join *
17:59<newsense>sorry dam
17:59<azeem>eh, s/*/#debian-foo"
17:59<azeem>anyway, next
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17:59<confrey>I need a help : I made a pastisse with dreamlinux and lenny beta2; now the system on boot generates xorg.conf every times
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17:59<Villarroel>Question: Every module that is sound related is from alsa?
17:59<azeem>Villarroel: no
18:00<amphi>'mess', I would think ;)
18:00<confrey>azeem, I don't know the english word, I sum dreamlinux + lenny beta2
18:00<azeem>what is dreamlinux?
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18:01<newsense>a distro i'd assume
18:01<confrey>azeem, dreamlinux is a distro made on lenny
18:01<newsense>live distro
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18:02<confrey>I tried it for browser well configured, codecs already installed and so on
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18:03<confrey>then I made an apt-cdrom add with five dvd of lenny beta2 (I haven't adsl and I can't use internet for packages)
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18:04<confrey>so I have us keyboard in console, but I have already fixed it, and xorg.conf is generated every boot
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18:04<confrey>and for that I don't know how to fix
18:04<azeem>confrey: sounds like a dreamlinux issue
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18:05<confrey>and I haven't the messages file in log
18:06<confrey>azeem, I hope there is a fast way to solve it
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18:10<superme>hi everyone. I use tty with gpm to copy text or lines. I try to find how to do that only with keyboard. Any idea ?
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18:11<amphi>superme: screen
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18:13<superme>amphi: screen as the screen -x to do tutorials learning ?
18:13<amphi>superme: gnu screen
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18:19<mib_1x43iav0>SOmebody knows, whats the diference between DVD version of debian and CD version?
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18:19<compaq>dvd got more stuff
18:20<mib_1x43iav0>and its better?
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18:21<superme1>in the case of the fetch, cd contains the install and some package, dvd contains "everything". The cd is enough. In fact it is the same cause since your connected on the net, you do your update and upgrade
18:22<compaq>if you got highspeed internet, and you gonna install just one machine, nope, but if you net is slow, or you gonna install on lots of machines, better get the dvd
18:23<mib_1x43iav0>thank you so much
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18:35<baraka>hola alguien me puede ayudar??
18:35<baraka>tengo instalado debian leni y me acaba de dejar de funcionar
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18:35<baraka>me dice: warning: not starting smart daemon smart/disabled via/ etc/ default / smartmoontools o algo asi
18:35<baraka>sera que puedo hacer algo??
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18:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:38<baraka>ok i can try in english
18:39<baraka>i have in my computer debian leny and sudely it stops working
18:39<baraka>when i reboot it says warning: not starting smart daemon smart/disabled via/ etc/ default / smartmoontools or something like that
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18:41<tcsetattr>so? edit /etc/default/smartmontools
18:41<alien>I try to use debian lenny beta 1 live, bat the image on cd dont' run well.
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18:42<qq>baraka: if you want smartmontools automated enable at boot
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18:42<musis>nick hatoon
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18:44<baraka>so i write edit /etc/default/smartmontools and will work
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18:46<qq>yes, automated enable at boot , or activate with /etc/init.d/smartmontools start when you need
18:46<qq>activate it*
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18:47<baraka>Ok thanks i will try it
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18:54<miksuh>forget that :)
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18:54<miksuh>wrong keyboard :)
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19:09<lucas_amorim>hello! My lenny installation freezes, sometimes, at boot time when during the "Setting the system clock" line
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19:09<lucas_amorim>it does not print any error message, just freezes
19:10<lucas_amorim>does anyone know what may be causing this?
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19:11<Nemoder>if it's using a time server to set the clock perhaps there is a network problem
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19:13<tmg1|reimann>lucas_amorim: that doesn't sound good. any kind of special hardware/motherboard?
19:13<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: Do you mean ntp? no, it is not installed (I have already tried to solve this problem by installing ntp and ntp-date in a previous installation) and it is before this part of the boot
19:14<tmg1|reimann>I wonder if it's possible to muddle around with the /etc/init.d rc.d to make it not check the system clock to make sure that it's that and not the next thing that the freeze occurs on
19:14<tmg1|reimann>what is the next thing, anyway
19:14<zev>are you using a laptop or desktop pc?
19:14<tmg1|reimann>I guess I could find out
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19:16<lucas_amorim>tmg1|reimann: this is a asus eeepc 900
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19:17<lucas_amorim>it has an intel motheroard
19:17<tmg1|reimann>oh weird
19:17<lucas_amorim> Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to DRAM Controller (rev 04)
19:17<tmg1|reimann>good on you for trying to get debian to work on that thing though lol
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19:18<lucas_amorim>do you want to see the entire lspci output?
19:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:19<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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19:20<zev>lucas what kernel you have installed?
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19:34<superme1>how i lock sessions as for X on TTY but let them work (commands lauched) ?
19:36<abrotman>vlock ?
19:36*abrotman doesn't get the question ?
19:37<superme1>abroman: i check vlock
19:40<superme1>yep, it seems vlock do that with vlock -a
19:40<superme1>i try it
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19:42<superme1>ah ... vlock on 1 tty6 sessions work as well, unlock too
19:42<superme1>. vlock -a (for all) send me the error msg : this terminal is not a virtual console
19:43<amphi>superme1: you need to run that in a vt
19:44<amphi>superme1: if you want a simple lock for X, try xtrlock
19:45<superme1>amphi & abroman : tryed on tty1 with vlock1, perfect.. Thanks.
19:45<superme1>amphi: i noticed xtrlock and check it. What is the diff with vlock ?
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19:47<cjaymes>hello folks
19:48<cjaymes>I have my debian box set up as a router/dns/dhcp server for my internal network
19:48<amphi>superme1: xtrlock is a lock for X
19:48<cjaymes>the external world is on eth0 and connected to DSL feeding a public IP
19:49<cjaymes>eth1 is the internal network and has a wap+switch attached
19:49<superme1>amphi: ok i'm installing it and compare them
19:49<cjaymes>if I connect wirelessly, the laptop will only connect to anything about half the time; I think it's got something to do with my iptables setup, but I'm lost
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19:50<qq>superme1: is nothing to compare
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19:52<cjaymes>the script is pasted if someone wants to take a look
19:53<qq>cjaymes: where ?
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19:54<superme1>qq & amphi : xtrlock, as it name says lock only the X... vlock lock (can) all tty and the tty7 (the X by default). That's it. xtrlock change the mouse as a locker cursor ^^
19:54<qq>cjaymes: and what script ?
19:54<kolla>does "hdparm -i /dev/<something>" work for anyone?
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19:54<kolla>I just get "HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument" on all my debian systems
19:55<cjaymes>it's my firewall script
19:55<amphi>superme1: yes; this is known to me ;)
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19:56<qq>kolla: here is ok
19:57<superme1>so let continue to code ! after a good cofee, not w/o have locked my terminal :D Thanks 6|_|`/5 !
19:57<qq>kolla: on 2.6.26-1-486
19:58<qq>cjaymes: I dunno
19:58<POCKETS>NEWBIE ISSUE:LOCKED OUT OF DEB-SYSTEM I WANTO TO PUT LILO BACK ON THE MBR BUT I do not know how to boot back into the system, it is probobly hda3
19:58<cjaymes>qq, me either...I know it's something really stupid or...I dunno, hardware bug or something
19:58<cjaymes>but I'm betting something really stupid
19:58<cjaymes>it isn't blocking traffic like I want either
19:59<POCKETS>Also I wonder how I can contribute to the comunity to...
20:00<POCKETS>errr, it seems realy simple,lol, gracias
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20:01<kolla>qq: well, this is only "stable" systems, that is.. etch
20:01<cjaymes>wait, I think I misunderstood
20:01<cjaymes>did windows (or soemthing else) overwrite the mbr?
20:01<qq>kolla: sid here ...
20:02<qq>cjaymes: allways
20:02<kolla>qq: ok, so you dont have anything running etch.. like most people here I assume
20:03<qq>kolla: you right .
20:03<qq>only sid even on 68k ...
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20:04<cjaymes>pockets, if you can't get into linux, you'll have to use the rescue disk/disc to boot back into it and THEN run lilo again
20:04<kolla>running debian stable is a rather tedious affair :|
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20:04<kolla>but... company policy
20:04<cjaymes>kolla, it's intended to be
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20:05<cjaymes>stable means you can run your company on it and not worry (too much)
20:05<kolla>wrong, stable means lots of stuff doesnt work, ancient software and no support whatsoever
20:05<kolla>since all the supporters all run sid
20:06<cjaymes>kolla, stable stuff should work with all other stable stuff
20:06<kolla>ok, that is putting it on the edge, but that is how I experience it
20:06<cjaymes>support is...well, it's free software :)
20:06<POCKETS>that seems like a good idea, I should have done some more homework
20:08<kolla>cjaymes: yes, on old hardware perhaps :)
20:08<kolla>and with users from 3-4 years ago
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20:09<cjaymes>kolla, soo, why aren't you using sid/lenny?
20:09<kolla>sadly my company keeps buying new hardware and the users are expecting somewhat fresh software
20:10<POCKETS>I have been off the computer for 2y and I just feel lame
20:10<cjaymes>or contributing money/hardware/development time...
20:10<kolla>and even more sadly, we have standardized on debian stable
20:11<kolla>cjaymes: indeed, why arent we :)
20:11<cjaymes>there are also lots of backports out there
20:11<POCKETS>once, my step dad had a guy ask him to fix an answering machine, If acomplished he can keep it!
20:12<kolla>and before you know it your are halfway to sid
20:12<POCKETS>I have a pcmcia wireless card not compatable yet...
20:13<POCKETS>but, all he had to do was find the switch, snooganz...
20:13<kolla>cjaymes: I just wonder why "hdparm -i/-I" doesnt work on etch, if it is kernel, hdparm or what
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20:13<kolla>ancient hdparm and ancient kernel should play along, right? :)
20:13<POCKETS>I beleive I should try
20:14<kolla>the reason why I need hdparm to work, is to identify different fibrechannel devices
20:15<cjaymes>isn't -i for IDE drives?
20:16<qq>-i display drive identification
20:16<kolla>the different lunes are given names on the FC host controller, but on debian machines we cant see these
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20:16<cjaymes>"This is a feature of modern IDE drives, and may not be supported by older devices."
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20:16<kolla>there we have to remember which lun number is what, and that is.. very much tedious
20:17<kolla>cjaymes: it works when not running debian
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20:17<kolla>works with ubuntu and various
20:18<keith>hello i am trying to get help with debian lenny i have amd 64 and i cant get flash player to work would any of you know how to get this working
20:18<kolla>there is no 64bit player
20:19<keith>is there a work around that you know of
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20:20<kolla>no idea
20:20<dpkg>flash is probably frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
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20:21<kolla>I really dont get it why adobe dont do a 64bit version
20:21<kolla>same for powerpc
20:22<keith>i did install gnash and it would not work with all web sites
20:22<dpkg>methinks nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <> for etch packages.
20:22<amphi>ugh, flash
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20:23<keith>i tried wrapper but i belive i was doing something wrong i just could not get the terminal to accept the commands
20:24<Nemoder>your options are either gnash, nspluginwrapper, or running a 32bit browser
20:24<abrotman>swfdec for some stuff i guess
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20:25<keith>well i guess i just have to keep searching thanks for the help anyway
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20:26<qq>keith: or install a full 32 bit
20:26<EagleScreen>firefox does not close well in my user account, and i cannot find why
20:26<qq>"not close well" means ?
20:27<qq>and firefox is iceweasel on debian ...
20:28<EagleScreen>it appearently closes, but it keep in memory, and later, when i try to open it again it show me message: Another forefox is running, close it firts and try again
20:28<qq>on etch ?
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20:28<EagleScreen>if i run it inside a console, when i close it, it close the window, but it do not free the console command line
20:28<EagleScreen>this is in Debian lenny
20:29<EagleScreen>using KDE 4.1
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20:29<kolla>I doubt it really gives that message :)
20:29<EagleScreen>it is a similar message
20:29<kolla>with less typos :)
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20:29<qq>aha KDE 4.1 is in experimental .so no lenny
20:30<EagleScreen>yeah, but I created another user account only for testing this, and at thee other acoount it closes well
20:30<kolla>shouldnt matter anyways
20:31<EagleScreen>i tried removing .mozilla folder in my home and it continues equal
20:31<qq>if so use "killall -e firefox-bin" before restart a new ones
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20:32<EagleScreen>i have downloaded the original firefox from mozilla website (binary for Linux) and it does the same, do not close well
20:32<kolla>silly question perhaps.. why not use konqueror?
20:32<kolla>I mean, I use konqueror for just about everything
20:32<EagleScreen>becouse konqueror does not work with gmail
20:33<qq>fill a bug against original firefox ...
20:33<EagleScreen>in addiction, firefox show well more pages than Konqueror
20:33<kolla>in addiction? :)
20:34<kolla>ok, I see what you mean :)
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20:35<EagleScreen>and i love the option to reeplace a wrong word by drop menu, do u understand?
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20:35<kolla>I cant say I have noticed that many pages that dont work with konqueror, and those few who do tend to magically work when I tell konqueror to spoof as some other browser
20:35<EagleScreen>really i am not sure that i should to fill a bug against firefox
20:36<qq>anyway that seems in not a debian issue
20:36<EagleScreen>i think it must be a problem of my user account
20:36<qq>s/in /is
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20:36<EagleScreen>because it works well in other user account
20:37<clint1986>hello :)
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20:37<kolla>well, I can imagine what firefox devs would say... rm -rf ~/.mozilla :)
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20:38<EagleScreen>i have done rm -rf .mozilla multiple times
20:38<EagleScreen>but that do not fix the problem
20:38<qq>and don't mix the release
20:39<qq>lenny + experimental
20:39<abrotman>experimental isn't a release
20:39<qq>well ... don't mix the sources
20:39<abrotman>why not?
20:40<EagleScreen>you can mix the sources but with much caution
20:40<abrotman>you have to .. you can't run experimental .. however .. the packages in experimental are of questionable quality at best .. so you better know exactly what you're doing
20:41<EagleScreen>you have to try dot update packages to the experimental version
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20:43<qq>for real tests, use different partitions with different distributions , i thought
20:44<qq>and multiboot ...
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20:45<qq>or use different machines , and/or virtualbox
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20:47<EagleScreen>it seems an Ubuntu user has the same problem as me woth Firefox
20:47<hachi>anyone know if there's a real difference that I, a user, care about between arm and armel arch?
20:48<hachi>it looks like one of them is the old ABI
20:48<hachi>the newer one is faster, but I don't know which one is newer
20:49<hachi>can I ask how you learned that, or is it just intuition over the years? :)
20:50<qq>arm in no more supported , ...
20:50<hachi>then I guess I was just reading the wrong thing
20:52<kolla>the world finally woke up and realized that arm can be both little and big endian :)
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20:53<kolla>openssl once assumed arm to be little endian no matter, resulting in openssh that only worked between "wrong endian" machines :)
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20:54<kolla>I could ssh between armeb-machines, but not between armeb and the rest of the world :)
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20:59<hachi>yeah, I knew that it was either or
21:00*hachi installs debian on a tiny little computer
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21:04<adm003_sERVer6>does anyone know if LegKnoppix
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21:09<hachi>qq: that's cool, but as a human being I would love to see a picture of it before buying one :)
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21:11<hachi>the deuce... how did you... I don't see any links
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21:15<abrotman>#debian-offtopic ?
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22:22<Villarroel>Is there a "compile new alsa modules, the debian way" documentation?
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22:23<abrotman>m-a a-i alsa
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22:24<Villarroel>abrotman: what about sources not included in the debian repository yet?
22:24<abrotman>such as ?
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22:25<Villarroel>abrotman: etch has alsa-source 1.0.13, the last is 1.0.17.
22:26<abrotman>right ..
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22:28<abrotman>i would have thought bpo would have had a newer alsa
22:28<Villarroel>abrotman: nope.
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22:31<gsimmons>Villarroel: Provided you can get away with using ALSA 1.0.16, you can install the 'alsa-source' package from testing, then 'debhelper' from etch-backports and compile an 'alsa-modules-*' package for your current kernel via module-assistant. Or you can just use an etchnhalf kernel to provide a slightly older ALSA release.
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22:34<Villarroel>gsimmons: I'm too happy with my kernel now that I don't want to upgrade it. I will try the testing packages, thanks.
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22:58<EagleScreen>i discovered why iceweasel/firefox does not close well
22:58<EagleScreen>it is caused by gtk-qt-engine kde4
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23:03<ia2k>how would i find the PID of something so i could kill it?
23:03<abrotman>ps aux ?
23:03<abrotman>pidof ?
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23:04<ia2k>how do you use the pidof one?
23:05<abrotman>pidof inittab
23:05<abrotman>bad example
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23:05<abrotman>pidof init
23:05<EagleScreen>ps aux | grep name_of_binary
23:05<ia2k>im trying to kill mplayer
23:05<abrotman>pidof mplayer ?
23:05<ia2k>yeah didnt return anything
23:05<abrotman>pgrep mplayer ?
23:06<EagleScreen>ps aux | grep mplayer
23:06<ia2k>that works
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23:17<Villarroel>I'm now off to see the wizzard.
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23:21<mrnice`>hi, got a problem rebooting, bind9 doesnt shut down, bind stop works, some clues?
23:25*Ryan52 doesn't understand what mrnice` is talking about
23:25<mrnice`>Ryan52, hi, when i reboot the maschine, bind9 takes 5 minutes or more to shutdown
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23:27<Ryan52>does it say anything in the logs or anything?
23:29<msi>como cambio a ubuntu-es
23:29<msi>who change to #ubuntu-es
23:31<mrnice`>Ryan52, Aug 28 05:11:51 gateway kernel: [ 1200.978472] rpcbind: RPC call returned error 1
23:31<mrnice`>Aug 28 05:11:51 gateway kernel: [ 1200.978490] RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 1).
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23:56<isai>finished installing lenny in english, how do I change everything (console + gui) to a different language?
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