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00:06<Ryan52>isai: dpkg-reconfigure locates
00:06<Ryan52>isai: (I think...)
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00:12<isai>ryan52: seems to work, thanks
00:13<fischer>hey my bash-completion doesn't work with apt-get install o(tab)(tab). and i cant see what packages are there. how do i fix it?
00:13<newsense>fischer: unless you set it up to work with apt-get it wont
00:14<newsense>write a script or such ?
00:14<fischer>i ve just installed linux. dont know much
00:14<newsense>or google bash completion apt
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00:15<newsense>see if ya find something
00:16<fischer>and also how to install tar.gz files? my ./configure is always unhappy about something
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00:19<newsense>install tar.gz ?
00:19<newsense>uncompress them
00:19<Ryan52>fischer: why are you installing from source?
00:19<newsense>what are these files for ?
00:19<Ryan52>fischer: are you *sure* there isn't a package for it
00:19<Ryan52>fischer: you need to install the thing it says isn't there
00:20<Ryan52>fischer: so if it says -lGL failed, aptitude search gl
00:20<fischer>ya there is but i cant see packages bcoz of this bash problem
00:20<Ryan52>fischer: install the -dev pacakge
00:20<Ryan52>fischer: then type it out!
00:20<Ryan52>fischer: or 'apt-cache search blah'
00:21<Ryan52>fischer: then once you install the -dev, try again. you'll go through this cycle about 10 times, probably.
00:21<Ryan52>(this is why they invented packages and dependancies and build dependancies!)
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00:24<newsense>fischer: you dont need bash completion to use apt or aptitude or dpkg etc
00:25<qq>ficher: [23:15:41] <KnuckOne> if you want completion on root add to /etc/bash.bashrc
00:25<newsense>fischer: i think ubuntu has bash completion for apt if i remember , seen it in some article dont quote me
00:26<qq>or just uncommet that
00:27<qq>part in /etc/bash.bashrc
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00:29<Ryan52>newsense: for some reason my debian system does...and I didn't put it there...
00:29<KnuckOne>Ryan52, probably because you have it in /etc/profile ;)
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00:30<Ryan52>I didn't put it there.
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00:33<jammy_>checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
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00:34<jammy_>what do i do to fix this?
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00:34<qq>install perl module ?
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00:36<qq>jammy_: ^^^
00:37<jammy_>ya qq
00:37<KnuckOne>jammy_, use apt-get cache search XML::Parser and you will get : libxml-parser-perl
00:37<KnuckOne>so install it ;)
00:37<jammy_>okok kneet
00:37<jammy_>okok KnuckOne
00:37<KnuckOne>apt-cache search XML::Parser
00:37<KnuckOne>it's better like this
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01:03<qq>KnuckOne: btw, i have see systems where are even so calling a "second" bash completion , like in "apt-cache se<TAB> name" , but i dunno where the changes are made
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01:04<jammy_>qq, how do i install flash
01:04<jammy_>cant see youtube videos
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01:06<qq>!tell jammy_ about flash
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01:06<KnuckOne> :)
01:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch>
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01:06<Ryan52>does it actually work yet? I'm still using the icky nonfree one.
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01:09<qq>jammy_: or/and install swfdec
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01:31<infotron>but I dun wanna!
01:32<mano>spanish problems?
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01:33<infotron>nawe, just free will. :)
01:34<akep>can somebody help me???
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01:34<Ryan52>akep: no.
01:34<dpkg>You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>.. See
01:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
01:34<mano>akep, whats the problem
01:35<akep>it's bout wine program
01:35<mano>what are u tryin to run?
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01:36<akep>i create a program that work in windows, but it's doesn't work with my os now, i'm using ubuntu now
01:37<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
01:37<Ryan52>akep: ask in #ubuntu
01:37<mano>it works in windows and it doesnt in wine... if it is a c++ program u should install in wine the libraries
01:38<Ryan52>akep: ubtuntu is not the same as debian
01:38<Ryan52>err, ubuntu
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01:38<clint1986>long night?
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01:46<oPen_syLar>proxy irc..??
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01:48<Zoup>how can i extract a debian packages to restore packages debian directory ?
01:49<clint1986>sorry, could you rephrase that?
01:49<Ryan52>Zoup: you can't. you have to get the source package.
01:49<Ryan52>Zoup: apt-get source package
01:49<Zoup>Ryan52: thanks :)
01:50<Ryan52>Zoup: or: dget http://mirror/blah/blah/package.dsc
01:50<clint1986>heh, nevermind :)
01:51<Ryan52>anybody know how to turn on syntax highlighting in vim? I really don't want to learn vim, but I don't want to be useless on a computer without emacs...
01:51<Ryan52>nevermind :P
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01:52<clint1986>:syntax enable
01:53<clint1986>this goes into more detail:
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01:53<Ryan52>I figured that out. the first time I had a typo that I didn't notice.
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01:53<clint1986>oh, sorry
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02:19<Ninuiitti>wtf, minne mä nyt jouduin?
02:19<Ninuiitti>Mä oooon eksynyyyyt, auttakaaa. Tahtoo IRCnettiin !
02:19<fischer>hey i cant make compiz work. i have ati. where do i find literature for that?
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02:27<meandtheshell>hi folks, I running sid but then I wanted to check the vesion number/info for a package in say stable or testing i.e. something like apt-cache show <package_name> but for another release that is currently installed on my local machine. I know, ssh into another machine running the exact release or altering /etc/apt/sources.list from e.g. sid to testing then running apt-get update and then check with apt-cache show <packga_name> wou
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02:28<Ryan52>meandtheshell: add all three into your sources.list, then 'apt-cache show package' or 'apt-cache policy package'
02:28<meandtheshell>Well, I could also debootstrap something into OpenVZ, enter the VE and check but that's also way to much effort ...
02:29<Ryan52>or just a regular chroot...
02:29<Ryan52>if you were gonna gothat route
02:29<meandtheshell>Ryan52: hm ... ic, well I was thinking on maybe specifying the release version on the command line ^^
02:30<Ryan52>aptitude show apache2/etch
02:31<Ryan52>(but you need etch in your sources.list too)
02:31<clint1986>meandtheshell: can you not look it up on
02:31<Ryan52> is *slow*
02:31<clint1986>but a lot less work in the end
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02:32<gsimmons>Ryan52: isn't. You can use rmadison from the 'devscripts' package to display the package versions.
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02:33<gsimmons>Uh, meandtheshell. ^^^
02:34<Ryan52> toy!
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02:35<meandtheshell>ah, fancy ... let me check :)
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02:43<MadHag>any known problems with etch and ruby?
02:44<MadHag>before I install
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02:44<rati>MadHag: not probably. It works fine
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02:46<Ryan52>MadHag: I deploy many apps with etch's ruby
02:46<Ryan52>MadHag: though rails in etch is extremely outdated :(
02:47<MadHag>cool, I just want rediant cms installed
02:47<MadHag>does ruby auto configure with apache2
02:48<MadHag>guess I will find out
02:48<Ryan52>MadHag: no, you need to setup mod_cgi or something.
02:48<Ryan52>MadHag: ruby works without apache2...
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02:48<MadHag> is an article I am going through
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02:49<Ryan52>you said it wasn't rails :|
02:49<MadHag>who did
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02:49<Ryan52>oh, you made it seem like it...
02:50<MadHag>if it was that easy it wouln'nt be any fun
02:50<Ryan52>what version of rails does that thing need?
02:51<Ryan52>the rails community is a little evil...
02:51<Ryan52>and it probably just won't work on etch.
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02:55<MadHag>getting some errors now
02:56<Ryan52>what are they?
02:56<Ryan52>pastebin them please.
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02:57<MadHag>it seemed to install fine but when I ran a simple test I got this...
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02:58<s3a>Ryan52, r u there? i just have a quick question for dist-upgrading
02:58<Ryan52>s3a: yes, I am almost always here :)
02:59<Ryan52>well, here on oftc, not always here on #debian...
02:59<s3a>Ryan52, lol well
02:59<s3a>Ryan52, u brought me so close to my first succesful upgrade
02:59<fischer>how do i chaeck if my 3d drivers are working
03:01<Ryan52>just change the to
03:01<Ryan52>fischer: glxgears?
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03:05<Ryan52>s3a: sudo sed -i s/ /etc/apt/sources.list
03:05<s3a>Ryan52, is it rely necessary for me to do that command? or can i just change the thing
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03:06<Ryan52>just change everything that says to
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03:06<Ryan52>seams easier to use sed than do it manually.
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03:06<Ryan52>but if you really wanna go through the extra effort, then go for it :)
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03:07<fischer>Ryan52, glxgears is showing me some wheel animation. does that mean 3d drivers are working?
03:08<Ryan52>I guess...I dunno...
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03:08<fischer>but how to make beryl work?
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03:10<s3a>Ryan52, its not this comp so it would be less effort actually
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03:10<s3a>Ryan52, im here cuz im on msn with my dad
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03:11<s3a>Ryan52, what's *shrugs*? lol
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03:12<rati>fischer: try #compiz . Beryl is outdated now latest is Compiz
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03:14<kvenkys>join #fedora-dev
03:14<jammy_>there is no compiz
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03:17<MadHag>debain does not seem to like ruby rails or ruby gems, aborting
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03:18<Ryan52>MadHag: it does
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03:18<s3a>Ryan52, are u a network specialist too?
03:18<Ryan52>MadHag: Most of what I do is develop ruby on rails applications on debian
03:18<MadHag>I am getting too many errors and I am taking that as a sign, maybe when I have more skills and admin knowledge
03:18<Ryan52>s3a: ?
03:18<s3a>Ryan52, cuz i need to make my wireless usb adapter work with my network in debian
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03:18<mattmattmatt_>I am running debian lenny. I just installed it recently I was wondering if it is possible to set up file sharing or somthing like it between lenny and a windows xp computer on the same netwok
03:19<s3a>Ryan52, like it doesnt detect as easily as ubuntu
03:19<Ryan52>mattmattmatt_: look at the samba package
03:19<Ryan52>s3a: it probably needs a module/firmware installed.
03:19<Ryan52>s3a: what's the chip?
03:19<mattmattmatt_>would that be in synaptic
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03:19<Ryan52>mattmattmatt_: what?
03:19<mattmattmatt_>synaptic package manager?
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03:19<Ryan52>MadHag: etch is really outdated
03:20<Ryan52>MadHag: and the ruby on rails community doesn't know the meaning of backwards compatibility
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03:20<MadHag>when is lenny being put out into the wild :)
03:20<mattmattmatt_>sry I am ultra noob
03:20<Ryan52>MadHag: you can use it now...
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03:21<Ryan52>mattmattmatt_: aptitude/apt-get is better imho. I am a command line bigot :)
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03:21<MadHag>I will wait for an officila release , my server is kinda official
03:21<mattmattmatt_>Thank you
03:21<Ryan52>mattmattmatt_: but ya, it's in synaptic
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03:21<s3a>Ryan52, i have a thread on it wait
03:21<s3a>Ryan52, and ya sumtin like that
03:21<Ryan52>MadHag: well, it's better than it not working...
03:21<MadHag>not if I screw up :)
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03:22<MadHag>which I do often
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03:23<s3a>MadHag, lenny=stable in september
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03:23<MadHag>thanks, not long then
03:23<Ryan52>s3a: no.
03:24<s3a>Ryan52, ya alot of places say it
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03:24<Ryan52>s3a: there's no set schedule
03:24<s3a>Ryan52, its aiming for such a date
03:24<MadHag>will etch want to upgrade automatically once it's official?
03:24<Ryan52>but it's not like ubuntu
03:24<s3a>Ryan52, its not set but they're trying for september
03:24<Ryan52>MadHag: if you have stable in your sources.list
03:24<Ryan52>MadHag: if you have etch, then no.
03:24<MadHag>etch here
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03:25<Ryan52>MadHag: change it to stable if you want it to be automatically updated
03:25<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
03:25<dpkg>somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
03:25<dpkg>siyh is probably Sooner If You Help. How?
03:25<Ryan52>s3a: ^^
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03:27<Ryan52>s3a: oh, I was looking at your thread, wasn't I. I completely forgot :P
03:27<s3a>Ryan52, im just repeating what I read from the guy who made the freeze or wtv
03:27<s3a>Ryan52, ya ive been trying to get this to work
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03:28<Ryan52>most you have to install a driver/firmware
03:28<Ryan52>the proprietary driver won't work. it's for windows.
03:28<s3a>Ryan52, if u can get wireless to work on etchnhalf and lenny for me then i can put router closer to the fone jack and my internet will be 10x faster
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03:29<Ryan52>ugh. I don't wanna read that much.
03:29<rati>s3a: do you have lenny with working dekstop xerver?
03:30<mattmattmatt_>thanyou bye
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03:30*Ryan52 wonders why rati asked s3a
03:30<Ryan52>s3a: pastebin the output of iwconfig
03:30<rati>Ryan52: because he mentioned in above message. :)
03:31<Ryan52>rati: because he mentioned using lenny?
03:31<s3a>Ryan52, rati o wait im an idiot im gonna make them both lenny wait a couple min until my desktop is lenny so i can start working on that
03:31<rati>Ryan52: ya
03:31<Ryan52>rati: a lot of people use lenny :|
03:32<s3a>Ryan52, dist-upgrade dint work again with that new mirror!
03:32<s3a>Ryan52, that same error on that 1 package!
03:32<Ryan52>s3a: what happens? pastebinit is your friend.
03:32<s3a>:'( its another comp
03:33<s3a>Ryan52, and i have no xchat there
03:33<Ryan52>s3a: does it have internet?
03:33<s3a>Ryan52, ya
03:33<Ryan52>s3a: why can't you install xchat?
03:33<Ryan52>(or irssi :))
03:33<s3a>Ryan52, well im in an upgrade? i can interrupt to install xchat?
03:33<rati>Ryan52: Why I am asking is, that after upgrading from etch---> lenny My desktop wont work . I have blank screen
03:34<Ryan52>rati: well, xserver isn't broken in lenny.
03:34<rati>I have done apt-get dist-upgrade
03:34<Ryan52>rati: it may be for you. look at the log.
03:34<Ryan52>rati: /var/log/X<TAB><TAB>
03:34<Ryan52>rati: pastebin it, and I'll look at it...
03:34<rati>In log there is no error
03:35<rati>Ryan52: hey Just pasting it. few minutes, I have just remove xserver. let me reinstall it again. give me some minutes
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03:37<s3a>Ryan52, wat do i do now that other mirror gave me a problem? i keep trying different mirrors?
03:38<Ryan52>what is the problem?
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03:38<Ryan52>a problem is not a good explaination...
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03:41<gsimmons>s3a: (re DWL-G122) If you have hardware revision A2 as described in the forum thread, it uses an Intersil ISL38xx SoftMAC chipset. The "islsm" driver from the Prism54 project can be used for support of this device.
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03:42<s3a>gsimmons, ya but i dont no how to install a driver and btw i have a little problem on upgrading etch to lenny whenever i solve it i need to download 58.4MB then ill have a lenny system
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03:43<dpkg>The Prism54 project ( provides the reverse-engineered "islsm" driver for Intersil ISL38xx SoftMAC chipsets. See for supported devices. See for download and installation instructions. #prism54 @
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03:43<s3a>Ryan52, o i didnt see what you wrote because you didnt type s3a
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03:43<gsimmons>s3a: Refer to the above once you're on lenny.
03:43<s3a>Ryan52, it's the same error
03:44<s3a>gsimmons, ok i will thanks but the problem is i just dont no how to install any driver :(
03:44<Ryan52>I wish I new what this error was...
03:44<s3a>Ryan52, o lol
03:44<s3a>Ryan52, ok ill email the pastebin here and send it to u
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03:50<Ryan52>maybe you've got some networking issues...
03:50<Ryan52>that one always works for me
03:52<fischer>Ryan52, hi. glxgears shows that wheel animation.
03:52<Ryan52>s3a: ^^
03:52<s3a>sed -i s/ /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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03:52<s3a>Ryan52, sed -i s/ /etc/apt/sources.list ?
03:53<Ryan52>s3a: other way around
03:53<s3a>Ryan52, o ya sry
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03:54<fischer>how do i check ? pls help
03:54<Ryan52>fischer: I have no clue...
03:54<maxb_>Hi. Should a package which provides cgi scripts *Depend* or *Recommend* httpd ?
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03:55<s3a>Ryan52, ok so ill put sed -i s/ /etc/apt/sources.list and see if that helps
03:55<Ryan52>s3a: uhuh
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03:55<Ryan52>maxb_: aptitude show wordpress mediawiki request-tracker3.6 | grep -E 'Dep|Rec'
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03:59<Shadowdancer>maxb_: I'd say recommend, since CGI scripts can be used without httpd if you're masochistic (or use your own server solution)
04:00<Shadowdancer>but of course depend on the runtime environment... if that pulls in httpd, it's not your fault :-P
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04:01<maxb_>Hmm, "Depends: apache2 | httpd" seems to be a common idiom.
04:01<maxb_>Not so ideal if you want to run a from-source build of apache :-)
04:02*maxb_ sticks with a httpd-dummy package
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04:02<Ryan52>maxb_: are you packaging something?
04:03<Ryan52>maxb_: you should ask in #debian-mentors if you are.
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04:03<mib_hvja8eoc>heyas, i have debian sarge 2.0. currently installed with a version of kde. im trying to install xfce4.. but it seems neither aptitude or package manager in kde manages to find it...
04:03<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: sarge isn't supported
04:03<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: if you care at all about security you should upgrade
04:03<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: if you care about getting help, then you should probably upgrade
04:04<mib_hvja8eoc>well, how do i do that? i had to install sarge becouse of my raid card.. newer versions wouldnt install
04:05<maxb_>Ryan52: No, I'm trying to understand whether it would be legitimate to file a bug on mailman saying "this only requires an arbitrary web server of some sort, possibly one installed outside of dpkg control - consider Recommending not Depending on httpd" - and I'm thinking the answer is "no" :-) Ah well, I can keep using a dummy package.
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04:05<Golfgeo>Hi all
04:06<Golfgeo>I'm dist-upgrading my system and am wondering how to deselect the install of a new package I do not want to get installed?
04:06<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: xfce4 is in sarge...
04:06<Ryan52>Golfgeo: aptitude dist-upgrade packge-
04:06<maxb_>mib_hvja8eoc: What do you mean "debian sarge 2.0"? sarge is the codename for 3.1. 2.0 was named hamm
04:06<Golfgeo>Ryan52: Thanks mate, will try :-)
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04:09<Golfgeo>Ryan52: Does the same work for apt-get? As in: apt-get dist-upgrade x11-common-
04:10<Ryan52>Golfgeo: no
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04:11<Golfgeo>Ryan52: Just noticed I also have aptitude installed. But how can one do this with apt-get?
04:11<mib_hvja8eoc>debian-edu-sarge-i386-2.0r0.iso was the version installed Ryan52
04:11<Ryan52>Golfgeo: I don't think you can...
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04:12<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: okay, whatever. but xfce4 really isn't there?
04:12<Ryan52>^^that webpage says otherwise...
04:12<Shadowdancer>Golfgeo: if the new package is a dependency of something that gets upgraded, it wouldn't be too wise...
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04:12<Golfgeo>Ryan52: hmm, well then no dist-upgrade for me atm... Well, atleast I upgraded most that was needed :-) Thanks mate :-)
04:13<Shadowdancer>apt-get dist-upgrade shouldn't really install new packages unless they're required
04:13<Shadowdancer>and there's always pinning
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04:14<Golfgeo>Shadowdancer: I know. But since I'm upgrading a Linksys Slug (NAS storage device) I don't need Xorg installed on it... Thats why I wanted to exclude it...
04:14<Ryan52>why is it being installed?
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04:15<Shadowdancer>huh... what Ryan52 asked.
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04:16<Shadowdancer>OK, some packages might require X libraries. As long as it's not trying to install an xserver package, it's nothing unusual.
04:16<Golfgeo>I have no idea why it is being installed, although I guess at this time since aptitude is being dist-upgraded...
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04:17<Shadowdancer>perhaps look through "apt-cache rdepends x11-common" to see if you can find the culprit
04:17<Golfgeo>Nope, aint the aptitude upgrade... I guess the X libraries would be posible...
04:17<mib_hvja8eoc>Ryan52 when issuing aptituse dist-uppgrade ..i get : this aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers :P
04:17<Golfgeo>Shadowdancer: doing that rdepends now
04:18<maxb_>I wonder if perhaps putting the package on hold would stop it being brought in by dist-upgrade?
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04:18<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: aptitude dist-upgrade
04:19<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: you typo-ed or something...
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04:19<Shadowdancer>anyway, I really wouldn't bother unless it's starting to install xserver packages. x11-common is more of a meta package.
04:21<Golfgeo>Shadowdancer: ic, going to leave it for now... There is also a non upgradable package in the dist-upgrade and I'm wondering what might be wrong with the archives...
04:21<Golfgeo>But: Thanks mate :-)
04:21<Golfgeo>*Thanks mates :-)
04:21<s3a>Ryan52, again even with the different mirror at 99% of the last thing, it failed with the same error
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04:22<Ryan52>s3a: you must have some hardware issues or something...
04:23<s3a>Ryan52, is it possible to continue without that last thing bcuz that app is to check email and i use web browser to check email anyway
04:23<Ryan52>aptitude dist-upgrade package-
04:24<s3a>Ryan52, k, thx ill try that
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04:25<s3a>Ryan52, do i just do evolution-common- or do i have to include the version number?
04:25<Ryan52>that's enough
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04:26<rati>s3a: does your lenny start working? do you have any file under /etc/X11/app-defaults
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04:26<knoppix_>how are u
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04:28<s3a>rati, im still trying to upgrade bcuz evolution-common is holding my whole installation back
04:29<matt__>i forgot what package you said to look into for sharing files between windows lenny pc's
04:30<slush>matt__: you mean, samba ?
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04:30<s3a>Ryan52, would getting evolution-common as a .deb and installing it like that then doling dist-upgrade work?
04:30<s3a>Ryan52, doing*
04:30<mib_hvja8eoc>Ryan52 i have tried many times to run dist-uppgrade now... wont work same error
04:31<Ryan52>matt__: samba
04:31<Ryan52>s3a: maybe
04:31<Ryan52>s3a: aptitude install evolution-common
04:31<Ryan52>s3a: aptitude dist-upgrade
04:31<matt__>i want to share files between 2 pcs one using windowsXP and one on Lenny
04:31<Ryan52>s3a: (that will uprgade it first. you can remove it first if you want to)
04:31<slush>matt__: samba
04:31<Ryan52>matt__: samba
04:31<s3a>Ryan52, o ya thats even better i was gonna actually go get the .deb manually
04:32<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: which error?
04:32<Ryan52>s3a: I hope you were gonna check the md5sum. (I actually had to do that once. It wasn't fun :()
04:33<s3a>Ryan52, omg lol i dont even no how and im tired
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04:33<mib_hvja8eoc>this aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers
04:34<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: you spelt it wrong.
04:34<slush>s3a: does aptitude install evolution-common work?
04:34<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: dist-upgrade
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04:34<s3a>slush, im doing my first attempt of apt-get install evolution-common to see if it works but im waiting cuz its a download of 58.4MB at ~50kb/s
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04:35<mib_hvja8eoc>Ryan52 , sorry, ok i managed to spell it correct now... but the output states there are no packages to be downloaded/uppgraded
04:36<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: and what were you trying to do again?
04:36<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: (sorry, I am helping a lot of people, and have bad memory, and am working)
04:36<mib_hvja8eoc>uppgrade the distro..
04:36<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: and you edited /etc/apt/sources.list?
04:37<mib_hvja8eoc>er no
04:37<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: you need to do that first
04:37<mib_hvja8eoc>im too used with ubuntu :P
04:37<Ryan52>mib_hvja8eoc: edit it. it will be clear what you need to do.
04:38<s3a>Ryan52, LOL ur at work?!
04:38<slush>Ryan52: working, right. :)
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04:38<slush>that's what I'm supposed to do, too ;)
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04:38<Ryan52>no, not at work. by working, I mean I'm working on my project :)
04:39<slush>oh :)
04:39<Ryan52>slush: just make sure your boss isn't in here too :)
04:39<slush>he isn't, I'm sure :)
04:40<s3a>Ryan52, slush, lol imagine
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04:40<superme1>hi everyone. I search to extend the number of my tty terminals. man tty and info tty don't say nothing about it. Any idea ?
04:41<Ryan52>superme1: /etc/inittab
04:41<Ryan52>superme1: man inittab
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04:41<slush>or, try screen
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04:42<superme1>Ryan52: i check inittab. Thanks.
04:42<superme1>slush: i already use screen, It's usefull indeed.
04:42<superme1>but i want to use every single Fx keys !
04:43<hachi>what package provides manpages for c functions like... fscanf and the like?
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04:43<Ryan52>hachi: manpages-dev
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04:48<superme1>slush & Ryan52: man inittab and /etc/inittab says tty7 have to be kept on the X if i run it. No way to put it in F12 ? (i know : what for ?! :D)
04:49<amphi>superme1: eh?
04:49<amphi>superme1: X runs on the first available unused VT
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04:51<superme1>amphi: the man don't say it, but if i check the lines, tty7 don't appear as assign. What you say could be. I try it (after a copy of /etc/inittab !)
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04:52<s3a>Ryan52, OMG apt-get install evolution-common then apt-get dist-upgrade worked!
04:52<s3a>Ryan52, right now it is installing the stuff!!!
04:52<amphi>superme1: it is as I say; if you have gettys run on ttys 1-8, the first X session will appear on tty9
04:52<s3a>Ryan52, like the shutdown icon is alredy 'sexier' so i can tell things are going good even without looking at terminal ;)
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04:53<slush>lol s3a
04:54<superme1>amphi: it does work ! nice ! thanks !
04:54<amphi>superme1: of course it works ;)
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04:55<s3a>slush, :$
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05:03<baraka>hello I trying to find solution with the smartmontools the message it gives is el mensaje es: not starting SMART daemon smartd disabled via /etc/default/smartmontools (warning)
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05:04<gsimmons>baraka: See /usr/share/doc/smartmontools/README.Debian
05:05<baraka>and then??
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05:05<Ryan52>baraka: it will tell you what to do
05:05<baraka>ok thanks ;)
05:06<Ryan52>baraka: or just look at the comments in /etc/default/smartmontools
05:06<_NiC>How can I tell apt that I don't want to install a certain package, because I've already installed it by other means?
05:06<aptituz>you can create a dummy package with equivs and install that
05:07<_NiC>aptituz: isn't there a config-setting for doing it too?
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05:07<Ryan52>_NiC: no, you need to install a package with that name.
05:08<Ryan52>_NiC: whether it's the real package, or a fake one, it doesn't matter.
05:10<_NiC>If I use the same name, I would have to make sure it has a version always higher than the real one though?
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05:11<Ryan52>_NiC: yes
05:11<Ryan52>_NiC: so make it version 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
05:11<Spekktram>Hi there, I want to install Debian from a USB flash drive, but unfortunatly I can't prepare one due to running Windows here.
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05:11<Spekktram>Is there any way to prepare a Debian INSTALLATION on a USB disk using Windows?
05:12<maxb_>Ryan52: Why couldn't _NiC just set that package to be in the "hold" state?
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05:12<Ryan52>maxb_: because having a package with version 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 is cooler :)
05:13<Ryan52>I dunno.
05:13<kmaity>hello I can't install debian 4 in my system but I install ubuntu successfully
05:13<kmaity>can any body help?
05:13<Ryan52>kmaity: what happens?
05:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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05:14<kmaity>Ryan52: when I am going to install debian my system get stuck
05:14<slush>how is it stuck?
05:14<Ryan52>kmaity: what happens.
05:14<slush>remove ducktape
05:15<Ryan52>kmaity: hundreds of things could have gone wrong. I can't help you if I don't know which.
05:15<kmaity>when i insert cd in cdrom to install to just become stop working.
05:15<slush>so, it doesnt boot?
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05:16<Ryan52>how do I get the time of a different timezone?
05:16<kmaity>boot screen may come after 30 min
05:16<Ryan52>(without changing my timezone)
05:16<kmaity>but i install ubuntu
05:17<slush>what image did you use for the debian cd?
05:17<kmaity>I traied debian based BOSS it also get stuck
05:17<maxb_>Ryan52: TZ=somethingelse date
05:17<Ryan52>maxb_: thanks!
05:18<kmaity>use etch
05:18<Spekktram>I burned a Debian 4.0r4 buisnesscard image, and when I try booting the installer, it starts repeating "Cannot initialize debconf configuration database" followed by one segfault.
05:18<Spekktram>What am I doing wrong?
05:19<Ryan52>Spekktram: did the burn work okay? can you verify the disk?
05:19<Spekktram>I burned the same image atleast 5 times, I believe the disk is okay.
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05:19<Ryan52>Spekktram: choose the verify option...
05:20<Ryan52>Spekktram: if it's fine, then you did everything right. and it's a bug.
05:20<Ryan52>Spekktram: but you need to verify the burn, first.
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05:20<Spekktram>Ryan52: It starts in the "press enter to boot" mode, and instantly goes to the probing/whatever stage and dies there.
05:21<Spekktram>Ryan52: Is there some boot option I'm missing in order to verify?
05:21<Ryan52>I don't think so...
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05:21<Ryan52>I meant in your burner.
05:21<Spekktram>Sigh.. I believe it's time to get some actually reliable burninig software.
05:21<kmaity>Ryan52: will i give my machine information
05:21<Spekktram>Even though this one never failed me.
05:22<Ryan52>Spekktram: but it has no verify option?
05:22<Spekktram>All it has is burn.
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05:22<Ryan52>Spekktram: can you maybe just md5sum /dev/hdc and md5sum file.iso? (I'm not sure if that will work...)
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05:23<Spekktram>Well, I'm going to try MD5ing it now, thanks for the advice.
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05:23<Ryan52>kmaity: does it just ignore the CD and try to boot from something else?
05:23<Ryan52>kmaity: I still don't understand what's actually happening...
05:24<baraka>ryan52: I tryed but doesn't work
05:24<baraka>the order for smartmontools
05:24<Ryan52>baraka: the order? what?
05:24<Spekktram>Ryan52: the MD5 for the image is infact correct
05:25<Ryan52>baraka: you need to uncomment '#start_smartd=yes'
05:25<Ryan52>Spekktram: is your hardware good? have you ran memtest on it?
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05:25<kmaity>when I insert cd I take very very long time to wake up...I install BOSS in my pc at the cost of 5 hr after that when I in going to boot from HDD it stop at populating root file system such
05:26<baraka>i had a porblem with smartmontools the message you told me was /usr/share/doc/smartmontools/README.Debia but the message is something like it is not allow
05:26<Spekktram>Ryan52: Does the Debian buisnesscard image contain memtest? This is actually an experimental machine running from hardware combined from 4 different PCs
05:26<Ryan52>baraka: in /etc/default/smartmontools, uncomment that line.
05:26<Spekktram>Ryan52: Didn't get to test it too much yet
05:27<Ryan52>Spekktram: I dunno if it does. if not, you can download a floppy image.
05:27<rati>Ryan52: Hey I have my lenny start working. problem is that I have to add 2 lines in xorg.conf to run it perfectly, although its not giving any error in log
05:27<rati>Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
05:27<rati> Option "EXANoComposite"
05:27<baraka>ryan52 I tryiend also this one but doesn't work
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05:27<rati>in xorg.conf thanks
05:28<Ryan52>kmaity: are you trying to instal ldebian or something else. I have no clue what BOSS is...
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05:28<Ryan52>nor does wikipedia...
05:29<Ryan52>Spekktram: if you need to know how to burn a floppy image to a CD, I can tell you how...
05:29<Ryan52>baraka: what happens?
05:29<Ryan52>rati: so you have it working?
05:29<kmaity>Ryan52: I tried with debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD but fail to install it get stuck after inserting CD
05:30<baraka>ryan52 with the order you told me didn't work
05:30<Ryan52>kmaity: get stuck...what does it say?
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05:30<kmaity>my pc stop responding
05:30<Ryan52>baraka: pastebin your /etc/default/smartmontools
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05:30<Ryan52>kmaity: but what does it *say*. what do you *see* on your *screen*.
05:31<kmaity>I can't see any message only blank screen
05:31<slush>is it on?
05:31<Spekktram>Nice one, slush.
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05:32<slush>wouldnt be the first time ;)
05:33<slush>kmaity: tell us, in steps, what happens when you turn on your pc and insert the cd
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05:33*Spekktram facepalms
05:33<Spekktram>Oh well, this sucks.
05:34<baraka>Ryan52: translated "the directory doesn't exist
05:34<Spekktram>Where am I going to get 128MB of NVRAM now..
05:34<Spekktram>15360 errors on memtest, and it's not even done.
05:34<Ryan52>baraka: which one?
05:34<Ryan52>Spekktram: ouch!
05:34<Spekktram>Oh well, Was still fun getting it to boot.
05:34<kmaity>yaa after that screen becomes blank only cursur is blinking
05:34<Spekktram>It's made out of parts from up to 2001
05:35<kmaity>cd rom stop rotating
05:35<Ryan52>baraka: I dunno then...
05:35<Spekktram>kmaity: How much RAM does that PC have?
05:35<kmaity>1 GB
05:36<baraka>Ryan52: Is there any possibility to obtain the documents before start to format
05:36<slush>baraka: cd /etc/default;cat smartmontools
05:36<Ryan52>baraka: I can't parse that sentance
05:36<s3a>Ryan52, im running lenny :D
05:37<s3a>Ryan52, and now i have to sleep lol
05:37<Ryan52>s3a: congratulations!
05:37<slush>haha, congrats s3a
05:37<slush>sleep well :)
05:37<s3a>slush, lol thx i will :D
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05:45<rati>Ryan52: sorry I was not at desk. Yes its working fine
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05:47<Ryan52>that's good
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06:30<Steven>hi all
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06:35<baraka>hello ryan52
06:36<baraka>I tryed cd /etc/default/;cat smarmontools
06:37<baraka># Defaults for smartmontools initscript (/etc/init.d/smartmontools)
06:37<baraka># This is a POSIX shell fragment
06:37<baraka># List of devices you want to explicitly enable S.M.A.R.T. for
06:37<baraka># Not needed (and not recommended) if the device is monitored by smartd
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06:40<Steven>bye all
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06:41<liuk94>ciaoa tuttti
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06:41<liuk94>mi potete inviare il votro sources list
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06:42<liuk94>io uso knoppix e il mio fa letteralmnte schifo in quano non è completo e non trova i server
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07:01<neo505>salut tout le monde
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07:16<Sprutnik>Jow someone here for man talk and for a little help here and there
07:17<Sprutnik>msn noot man talk imm 23
07:18<noflash>Sprutnik, this is a debian support channel not a chat channel
07:18<Sprutnik>noflash im asking for hellp for debian ???
07:19<Sprutnik>its debian i want help for
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07:19<noflash>just ask your question and if anyone can help they will
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07:20<Sprutnik>im having 2 apaches2 on 2 machines how do i make direct to
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07:29<darsie>Hi! How can I configure iceweasel 3.0.1 to open pdfs in an external acroread window, not inline?
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07:31<rati>after upgrade to lenny. to open menu I have to press left mouse button. if I release it. menu goes away?
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07:32<baraka>hello ryan52 are you there??
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07:33<baraka> I received the answer of # Defaults for smartmontools initscript (/etc/init.d/smartmontools)
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08:27<MyDebian>hai all
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08:27<MyDebian>anybody here i need help about my debian ?
08:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:28<EmleyMoor>Having patched a package, what do I type to build my patched version?
08:28<MyDebian>!ask my apt-get error because my avast4server have problem .. can i repair back my apt-get and remove the avast4server??
08:28<jMCg>I wonder, there's -debian-live-lenny-arch-({gnome,kde,xfce}-desktop|standard).img -- what's the difference between the desktop and the standard edition?
08:29<EmleyMoor>jMCg: Is it "standard" on its own? If so, it means no desktop environment
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08:29<panthera>jMCg: look at the release announcement,
08:30<jMCg>I might've been able to read that from the fact that it's only 100~ MiB in size.
08:30<panthera>jMCg: or at
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08:33<EmleyMoor>What command do I use to build .debs from my own patched source of an existing package?
08:34<jMCg>EmleyMoor: $EDITOR Changelog && fakeroot debian/rules binary
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08:36<jackyf>jMCg: you mean debian/changelog?
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08:38<jMCg>jackyf: probably.
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08:38<EmleyMoor>I'd already done the changelog as it happens
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08:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:44<MyDebian>my apt-get error because my avast4server have problem .. can i repair back my apt-get and remove the avast4server??
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08:44<jackyf>MyDebian: what error?
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08:49<EmleyMoor>Is there a good guide anywhere on how to run 32-bit-only programs on amd64?
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08:50<jackyf>EmleyMoor: google(32-bit chroot debian)
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08:53<Mp3la>sorry . disconnect ..
08:54<Mp3la>jackyf: i get this msg : server:~# apt-get install perl
08:54<Mp3la>Reading package lists... Done
08:54<Mp3la>Building dependency tree... Done
08:54<Mp3la>E: The package avast4server needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
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08:54<Mp3la>opss sorry i dont cant paste here!!!
08:54<EmleyMoor>MP3la: Do you need the avast4server?
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08:54<Mp3la>avast4server i just to test it .. it ok or not
08:55<Mp3la>now avast forum also cant solve my problem here
08:55<EmleyMoor>Mp3la: If you don't need it, you could remove it
08:55<jackyf>Mp3la: paste you /etc/apt/sources.list to some paste-site
08:55<MadHag>I was looking at that yesterday
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08:55<Mp3la>i also use many command to remove it but it cant work
08:56<Oti>hello everybody
08:56<Mp3la>deb etch/updates main contrib
08:56<Mp3la>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
08:56<Mp3la>deb etch main contrib non-free
08:56<Mp3la>this my source.list
08:56<MadHag>careful you will flood
08:57<jackyf>Oti: hello
08:57<MadHag>I am surprised would not have an uninstall
08:57<MadHag>avast that is
08:57<MadHag>their quite clever chaps
08:57<Oti>I have install debian etch, but i can't found a driver for my WLAN Adapter :/
08:57<Oti>can anyone help me to do this?
08:57<dpkg>i guess google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at
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08:58<Mp3la>can anyone of me help me how to solve this problem ....
08:58<gsimmons>Oti: What wireless device do you have?
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08:58<slush>my guess is that avast4server is a package that is not in the etch repository and downloaded from the avast site and now apt-get wants to reinstall it for some reason, but can't.
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08:58<MadHag>Mp3la, first thing I would do is install it again if you have been trying to get rid of it
08:58<EmleyMoor>Mp3la: Can aptitude or apt-get remove it?
08:59<Mp3la>yes i use dpkg -i avast4server.deb to install .. and now i want to remove it cant also cant purge or force
08:59<EmleyMoor>What does it do when it fails?
08:59<Mp3la>wait i paste one by one
09:00<MadHag>try apt-get remove avast4server
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09:00<Mp3la>erver:~# dpkg -P avast4server
09:00<Mp3la>dpkg: error processing avast4server (--purge):
09:00<Mp3la>Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
09:00<Mp3la>reinstall it before attempting a removal.
09:00<Mp3la>Errors were encountered while processing:
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09:00<dpkg>mp3la: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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09:00<Mp3la>opss .. sorry again
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09:00<Mp3la>server:~# dpkg -r avast4server
09:00<Mp3la>dpkg: error processing avast4server (--remove):
09:00<Mp3la>Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
09:00<dpkg>mp3la: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
09:00<Mp3la> reinstall it before attempting a removal.
09:00<Mp3la>Errors were encountered while processing:
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09:01<MadHag>Mp3la, what does apt_get remove avast4server do?
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09:01<MadHag>apt-get I mean
09:01<Mp3la>server:~# dpkg -P --force-all avast4server
09:01<Mp3la>dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
09:01<Mp3la>Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
09:01<Mp3la>reinstall it before attempting a removal.
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09:01<dpkg>Mp3la: i don't know
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09:01<Mp3la>so many command i do .. still cant remove the avast4server
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09:02<Mp3la>what suppose i do now .. ??
09:02<MadHag>Mp3la, can you please tell me what happens when you type apt-get remove avast4serve in a ssh session please
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09:03<Mp3la>server:~# apt-get remove avast4server
09:03<Mp3la>Reading package lists... Done
09:03<Mp3la>Building dependency tree... Done
09:03<Mp3la>E: The package avast4server needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
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09:03<Mp3la>that what happen ..
09:03<MadHag>reinstall it
09:03<MadHag>you have been fannying about with it
09:03<MadHag>then run the command again
09:03<Mp3la>ya i already install it .. installation are ok
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09:04<Mp3la>but when u run it it seem come out of error .. so i decide to remove it .. but cant remove or purge
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09:04<MadHag>find the main folder and rm it, then reinstall
09:04<MadHag>then remove via apt-get
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09:04<Mp3la>yes i already do like that many time .. still cant . that why i already tension about this error ..
09:04<MadHag>thats what I would do anyway
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09:06<Mp3la>so now i cant use apt-get because of this avast4server ..
09:06<MadHag>why is that
09:07<slush>Mp3la: when you try to re-install it, use the debug
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09:08<Mp3la>what command i use for it.. tell me .. use this debug command
09:08<baraka>hello anybody can help me with a problem of smartmontools??
09:09<baraka>the message that the computer shows is: not starting SMART daemon smartd disabled via /etc/default/smartmontools (warning)
09:09<jackyf>baraka: and?
09:10<slush>Mp3la: dpkg -i -D
09:10<baraka>I trayed with cd /etc/default/;cat smartmontools
09:10<slush>Mp3la: dpkg --help
09:10<baraka>jackyf: I cannot do anything in the desktop
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09:11<jackyf>baraka: how desktop related with smartmontools
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09:11<baraka>jackyf: I really don't know the thing is that i cannot do anything, appear the desktop but I cannot work
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09:12<jackyf>why you cannot work? what is the stopper?
09:12<baraka>I don know but when i start the computer the message it shows is: not starting SMART daemon smartd disabled via /etc/default/smartmontools (warning)
09:13<jackyf>and the computer stops then?"
09:13<Mp3la>cant use that it seem come out dpkg help ..
09:14<baraka>boh I don't i can do??
09:14<Mp3la>MadHag: i already post at debian forum it seem nobody comment on that .. the all error i post it.. :(
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09:15<slush>I believe it's time for a break for me on this channel
09:15<jackyf>baraka: I don't yet understand you
09:15<jackyf>what's the exact problem?
09:15<gsimmons>baraka: As previously advised to you, you need to _edit_ /etc/default/smartmontools and uncomment the start_smartd line (line 9) to enable smartd on system startup. This explained within the file's comments itself and also within /usr/share/doc/smartmontools/README.Debian.
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09:16<baraka>gsimmons when i write edit/etc/default/smarmontools the message is: warning: unknown nine-type for "/etc/default/smartmontools"-using "application/octet-strean"
09:16<baraka>Error no"edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/octet-stream"
09:17<jackyf>baraka: use you favourite console editor
09:17<baraka>I can do that from consola??
09:18<jackyf>of course
09:18<baraka>when I write /usr/share/doc/smartmontools/README.Debian.
09:18<baraka>the message is: # Defaults for smartmontools initscript (/etc/init.d/smartmontools)
09:18<baraka># This is a POSIX shell fragment
09:18<baraka># List of devices you want to explicitly enable S.M.A.R.T. for
09:18<baraka># Not needed (and not recommended) if the device is monitored by smartd
09:18<baraka>enable_smart="/dev/hdea /dev/hdb"
09:19<baraka># uncomment to start smartd on system startup
09:19<baraka>#uncomment to pass additional options to smartd on startup
09:19<gsimmons>baraka: No, don't uncomment both enable_smart= and start_smartd=. Did you read the comments? Use one or the other.
09:21<baraka>this was the message from the computer
09:21<slush>gsimmons, jackyf: good luck
09:21<baraka>I didn't do anything
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09:21<jackyf>slush: and you
09:22<jackyf>baraka: what's you goal? what's your exact problem? problem is not starting smartd?
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09:23<baraka>jackyf: I think so. My problem is that when you arrive to the desktop anything work, even the icons normaly there don't appear
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09:24<jackyf>baraka: then, smartd is not a problem
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09:24<jackyf>baraka: console works?
09:24<baraka>I don't know I thought that because of the message when you start. Yes it works
09:25<EmleyMoor>How is the version number in a package set? I seem to be confusing my system
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09:26<jackyf>what did you do before desktop stopped to working? any upgrades?
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09:26<baraka>yes and when I reboot started the problem
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09:26<jackyf>EmleyMoor: what, for example?
09:27<jackyf>"yes" mean updates? what packages were updated? what system (etch, testing, sid) are you using?
09:28<EmleyMoor>jackyf: How does it decide to put a - instead of a ~ in the version number? Because it hasn't this time, it thinks it is downgrading
09:28<baraka>ok it is debian leny and the updates are the ones it makes automatics... i don't have much idea
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09:28<jackyf>baraka: ack
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09:28<baraka>jackyf: ehh?
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09:29<jackyf>EmleyMoor: "it"? what number?
09:29<jackyf>baraka: acknowledged, I mean
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09:29<jackyf>baraka: what you see at desktop?
09:30<jackyf>what is working yet?
09:30<EmleyMoor>The package building routine. A package has a version number - like 1:
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09:30<EmleyMoor>The problem I have in this case is that it's used a ~ instead of a - before the dfsg
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09:32<baraka>jackyf: nothing just the background
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09:36<jackyf>baraka: what desktop enviroment do you use? kde, gnome, xfce?
09:37<rati>baraka: you cant see your desktop and fonts ?
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09:38<carlettas>ciao a tutti
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09:38<dpkg>one warez list being sent to carlettas
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09:39<rati>jackyf: I think he was left, not on desk :D
09:39<dpkg>one warez list being sent to carlettas
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09:40<jackyf>rati: :)
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09:42<Mp3la>hem.. it seem not help at forum since how to solve the apt-get error with avast .. anyone have comment about it .. how to repair back my apt-get???
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09:44<baraka>jackyf: I use gnome
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09:44<baraka>rati:no i cannot see desktop and fonts just the background
09:45<rati>baraka: ok Just open up your xorg.conf file
09:45<jackyf>baraka: do you see any errors in ~/.xerrors ?
09:45<baraka>no i don't see errors
09:45<rati>Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
09:45<rati> Option "EXANoComposite"
09:45<rati>add this 2 lines in Device Section
09:45<baraka>and how i do that sorry?
09:45<rati>and restart your xserver
09:46<baraka>yo mean to restart the computer?
09:46<rati>baraka: press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and you get console. do login and edit it
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09:46<rati>baraka: no. First edit xorg.conf
09:47<baraka>so I have to go to console editor??
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09:47<rati>jackyf: That problem in lenny when you upgrade from etch-->lenny. I have same problem. I have 2days workaround and solved problem
09:47<rati>baraka: have you on console?
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09:47<rati>try vi or nano editor
09:48<jackyf>rati: ack... i don't use gnome
09:48<jackyf>JoR: hi
09:48<rati>jackyf: but, same problem in kde also, because problem is of xorg. so it will cause in all Desktop Manager,:D
09:48<JoR>is there a german Channel too?
09:49<baraka>sorry rati what you mean??
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09:49<jackyf>rati: ack...
09:49<jackyf>nevertheless I didn't felt into this problem
09:49<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
09:49<rati>baraka: Have you press Ctrl+Alt+F1
09:49<rati>jackyf: thats good. Heheh
09:49<baraka>i tryed this before and didn't work
09:50<jackyf>i have ati, and using exa
09:50<baraka>but i can enter in the options before start the sesion
09:50<rati>baraka: what you have tried? have you added it in to xorg.conf?
09:50<rati>baraka: That wont help
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09:54<jackyf>good luck, bye
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09:54<baraka>ok i will try this and i will let you know
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09:55<rati>baraka: Just add that 2 lines in xorg.conf and check that. Because you are newbe so you dont know more
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09:56<rati>baraka: I have same problem 2 days ago and I have solved that today. thing is to add 2 lines
09:56<rati>baraka: so try that out. Other wise you end up with uninstall and install things and then messup the things what I done :(
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10:10<user01>help! i want to see why i need to see why i need to switch to windows vista at the mojave experiment page, but my browser doesnt support ms silverlight! lol
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10:11<EmleyMoor>user01: I presume you're having us on
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10:11<user01>EmleyMoor, i happy with debian :)
10:11<EmleyMoor>I am too - even when I do discover an unexpected foible
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10:12<user01>EmleyMoor, like it cant support silverlight?
10:12<EmleyMoor>That's hardly unexpected
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10:13<user01>ah ok there is moonlight
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10:16<user01>will lenny feature upstart?
10:17<user01>or init?
10:18<user01>Maulkin, any plans of changing down the road?
10:18<Maulkin>user01: none yet
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10:25<EmleyMoor>What would cause these errors on starting OpenOffice Writer: Error loading BASIC of document file:///usr/lib/openoffice/share/basic/WebWizard/script.xlb/: General Error. General input output error (and likewise for dialog.xlb)
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10:45<Shadowdancer>look it up on Google, it's a rather easy fix
10:45<jthomas>When i install with Aptitude it often gives me some unmet dependencies or something, and then a "score" -- what does this mean? One was a score of 58, another of 98... is low good? higher good?
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10:48<rati>Shadowdancer: Hi
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10:48<rati>I have solved that problem,. Now I can see my desktop and fonts
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10:50<Shadowdancer>rati: cool, what was the problem?
10:51<rati>Shadowdancer: Actually you have to add 2 lines in xorg.conf to make it working
10:51<jthomas>thank you slush... but i have no idea what that is, does aptitude have a gui? i am just running 'sudo aptitude install xyz'
10:51<rati>Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
10:51<rati> Option "EXANoComposite"
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10:52<rati>Shadowdancer: Just for simple thing I worked on 2 days :( and I have removed and installed xserver many times hehe
10:52<erKURITA>jthomas synaptic
10:53<amphi>rati: that makes no sense; if you're use XAA, you don't need an EXA option
10:53<jthomas>erKURITA i am not using synaptic, no. I want to know what Aptitude means when it tells me a score for resolving dependencies.
10:53<rati>amphi: ya It will work with only XAA. true but I havent that line in xorg.conf after upgrading to lenny
10:54<amphi>rati: what card do you have?
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10:54<erKURITA>google it?
10:54<jthomas>yes i have.
10:55<erKURITA>also, having unmet dependencies is a very uncommon thing, unless you forced the install of a package
10:55<rati>amphi: I have Intel Corporation 82946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics Controller
10:56<amphi>rati: what is that? i915?
10:56<amphi>EXA works fine here, on i965
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10:57<jthomas>erKURITA I'm not new to this all, but I've used Apt in the past and everyone says to use aptitude... so now I am and no one seems to know about it :)
10:57<rati>amphi: Hey I dont have any option in xorg.conf neither EAX nor XAA. so I cant see my desktop and fonts are working
10:57<compaq>why is aptitude better?
10:57<erKURITA>I've been using Debian for around 3 years
10:57<erKURITA>and I still use apt
10:58<rati>amphi: now I have its working
10:58<erKURITA>never had a reason to switch over to aptitude
10:58<rati>I am just explaning solution to Shadowdancer
10:58<amphi>rati: if you have accelmethod xaa, no exa option has any effect
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10:58<compaq>I used to use aptitude, now I use apt
10:59<Shadowdancer>must be a cool intel bug
10:59<erKURITA>Shadowdancer one too many
10:59<amphi>!tell compaq -about why aptitude
10:59<Shadowdancer>good thing I have an nvidia card
10:59*Shadowdancer starts crying
10:59<amphi>nassty blobssess
11:00<jthomas>compaq I've been on Debian for five years now, and I have no idea why it is better. No one seems to really tell me, except its dependency handeling is better somehow
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11:00<angasule_>!tell angasule -about why aptitude
11:01<compaq>jthomas, sometimes I use aptitude fpr browsing
11:01<dpkg>Your Personal Self-Government Score is 70%, Your Economic Self-Government Score is 70%.
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11:02<Shadowdancer>when I last tried aptitude, it regularly screwed up the whole installation
11:02<Shadowdancer>but that was a few years ago
11:02<angasule_>aptitude is better at resolving conflicts, and uninstalls programs nicely, unlike apt (though I haven't used apt in a while, maybe it has improved :) )
11:03<rati>in aptitude you have regular expression to install or remove package, like aptitude remove '~ngnome' will remove all package contains gnome in package name
11:03<angasule_>aptitude is slow as heck, though, you don't notice it much on new computers, but trying any non-recent PC and you have enough time for a coffee or two
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11:04<compaq>man...white people sure made life miserable for the rest of us, from freedom and democracy to communism
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11:05<amphi>compaq: heh
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11:06<compaq>pretty much if all the asians and africans died, the white people would kill themselves, cause they would have no one to leach from
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11:07<compaq>abusive race
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11:09<amphi>historically, they've generally been good at slaughtering themselves
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11:10<petemc> why dont you two go find a corner to sit a stir up race hate together
11:10<compaq>so greedy
11:11<compaq>decendent of pig
11:11<paggas>hello people, i have a question, is there a way to upgrade a system without logging to it directly? e.g., on a desktop system that cannot boot, to upgrade disk drivers from a livecd
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11:11<compaq>paggas, I think you should get it booting first
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11:13<adelgado>hi everyone...need help i update my webserver today and i cant start apache anymore when i run apache2 -k restart apache complains syntax error 133 on apache2. conf
11:13<rati>paggas: try . chroot from livecd and start upgrading your system
11:13<paggas>compaq: i recently changed my mobo, and it seems i need to upgrade my sata drivers.... so the system cannot boot until i do that :/
11:13<EmleyMoor>adelgado: "syntax error 133"? Does it give a line number?
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11:14<adelgado>sorry its line 133
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11:14<compaq>paggas, whats mobo?
11:14<adelgado>invalid command 'order'
11:14<paggas>compaq: motherboard :)
11:14<EmleyMoor>adelgado: Have you checked that line, or other lines before it
11:14<adelgado>now it also gave errors for every mod-enabled that i have
11:15<adelgado>no yeah that line its ok... it kept it from my previous config
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11:15<EmleyMoor>It could be that there is an error in the ordering of the file... perhaps pastebin it and ask someone who knows apache to have a look?
11:15<adelgado>whats interesting is that when i run apache2 -l
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11:15<adelgado>it shows no mod_access
11:16<compaq>paggas, hmm, thats a tough one, wait around maybe someone smarter can advise, me...I would re-install, did ypu back up? where did you buy mobo, I need one or two too
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11:16<rati>paggas: boot from live cd. mount proc and /dev to your harddisk's proc and dev and chroot to harddisk. and start updating your system. It will upgrade it
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11:16<paggas>compaq: hehe, from greece actually :D
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11:16<lucas2>Good evening from Amstelveen, The Netherlands
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11:16<rati>compaq: from chroot you can upgrade your ssystem
11:17<paggas>rati: so i guess i'll have to mess with chrooting...
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11:18<adelgado>apache2 -l shows core.c; mod_log_config.c; mod_logio.c;; http_core.c; and mod_so.c...
11:18<rati>paggas: yes without it, you have to manually build latest kernel and copy modules and vmlinuz and initrd and then iit will boot
11:18<paggas>rati: you mean to mount so that it hides the normal contents of /proc and /dev?
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11:18<lucas2>Which window manager would be the best source on a resource-challenged machine?
11:19<cahoot>lucas2: awesome seems to be the flavour this month
11:19<erKURITA>lucas2 as in
11:19<lucas2>aha. This month?
11:19<amphi>lucas2: openbox is fairly light
11:19<erKURITA>to test-stress a machine ?
11:19<rati>paggas: no. live cd has proc and dev, your harddisk doesnt have that so you have to mount to harddisk
11:20<paggas>rati: aha, i think i'm getting it
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11:20<lucas2>erKURITA: no, as in to use an old machine at its maximum potential for desktop purposes
11:20<rati>paggas: for more how to do that try gentoo wiki. they have good document how to mount and chroot
11:20<adelgado>is it possible to enable mod_access ...
11:20<erKURITA>lucas2 either fluxbox or xfce
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11:20<lucas2>I hear xfce has problems?
11:20<erKURITA>I don't know
11:20<lucas2>With memory leaks or something?
11:20<adelgado>some how i think my update took that module out of apache2
11:20<cahoot>adelgado: see if a2enmod gives you the option
11:20<rati>Bye, Gud Night
11:21<erKURITA>ever since it randomly changed my configuration, I stopped using it
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11:21<paggas>rati: thanks!
11:21<erKURITA>but it's very lightweight
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11:21<adelgado>:( its not listed in there.. ...
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11:22<adelgado>i guess mod_access was a precompiled module... :(
11:22<KnuckOne>i use xfce on lenny and i have no problems ;)
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11:22<lucas2>xfce is more lightweight then fluxbox?
11:23<saimonn>lucas2: no, fluxbox is lighter
11:23<amphi>lucas2: no
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11:23<adelgado>i will hate having to re-install apache2... i dont want to loose my current config
11:23<KnuckOne>fluxbox is more lightweight
11:23<lucas2>I don't care for fancy features. So I will choose fluxbox. Thanks for the advice everyone :)
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11:24<saimonn>lucas2: if you want a *really* *really* light wm and you are not afraid of using keyboard instead of mouse, try awesome or wmii
11:24<amphi>or ion or ratpoison or ...
11:25<saimonn>or these ones, yeah :>
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11:25<lucas2>saimonn well... I kind of like my mouse...
11:25<saimonn>so don't try them :)
11:25<lucas2>Thanks! bye
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11:27<adelgado>yeah when i try to restart apache it gave me errors for every mod-enabled... so i disable most of them php5 and others but now it still doesnt want to start
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11:28<slush>adelgado: What directive are you missing? mod_access is compiled in Apache2 by default
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11:29<adelgado>im missing the mod_access one
11:30<erKURITA>install it?
11:30<george_hn>Hi guys. After I reboot my computer the screen resolution don't go higher than 600 x 480 even is in the xorg.conf have more resolutions. May someone help me with this
11:30<slush>that's not a directive, that's a module and that one is compiled with apache2 by default.
11:31<adelgado>also if i uncomment the line 129 which has the /icons/ "/usr/share/apache2/icons/"
11:31<cahoot>george_hn: ~/.xsession-errors and/or /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be worth a look
11:32<adelgado>it says invalid command Alias...perhaps missing module...
11:33<slush>adelgado: &
11:33<slush>and also
11:34<george_hn>cahoot, (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x1024" (no mode of this name) and it goes on and only accept 600*480
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11:35<adelgado>correct i am trying to use both mod_access and mod_alias... but for somereason my system thinks that neitherone of them is install... i know they were ...until i did the update...i guess my only option is to reconfigure apache from scratch...
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11:36<slush>sure, reinstall your whole system, while you're at it
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11:36<slush>bye all, going home *afk*
11:38<adelgado>:( sorry i just want to figure out if its possible to get this modules back...
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11:39<dpkg>i guess chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
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11:59<Pame>hay alguien??
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12:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:03<mm>a'm in dont i?
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12:04<mm>how can i install mysql on command line
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12:05<Aitor>hola q todos
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12:05<Aitor>alguien con quien hablar un rato
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12:07<Shadowdancer>mm: mysql-client package
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12:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:07<Shadowdancer>oh, left already... sorry, separate join/leave message window and all :-/
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12:13<infotron>humm.. I wonder why this font corruption appears on this debian laptop running ppc(g4). time to check bts... :)
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12:18<monfis>jesteście tutaj
12:18<fxiny>perl perl
12:18<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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12:23<Aitor>ay alguien
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12:42<mika_>Hi! Do you know the Christian Marillat's multimedia library? Includes libavformat and libavcodec etc. but: if you install it "as is", expect for example kaffeine, vlc, and several other multimedia-related applications to stop working properly...
12:42<jramirez696>FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. Please set 'visible_hostname'
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12:43<compaq>mika_, I never had any problems except for the warnings. But I don't know what "as is" you mean by
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12:44<fxiny>jramirez696: postfix ?
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12:45<chealer>mika_: tes
12:45<mika_>my question: how big ajob for someone who has done app development in C/C++ for linux, to make amodified version of Marillat's library AND integrate all of it in one file per type, like: and libmultimedia.h, so that you could then install that library without breaking any existing apps, and then do your own development by dynamically linking to nad, if you are using C/C??, then include libmultimedia.h into your app sou
12:45<mika_>rce, otherwise translate libmultimedia.h to the preferred programming language of your choice.
12:46<jramirez696>squid server..
12:46<mika_>"as is" = first run ./configure then make and install it as root
12:46<compaq>mika_, too big for someone who can't install it even
12:46<fxiny>well set the fqdn
12:48<mika_>I mean if I can get some C/C++ developer to make the and libmultimedia.h files using Marillat's library, I could then take those 2 and do the app development myself.
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12:49<mika_>compaq, I thought you just wrote that you have installed it and got some warnings but did not break anything ?
12:49<compaq>mika_, yeah, it was ok, I just apt-get install
12:50<mika_>after adding Marillat's deb to your sources.list ?
12:50<compaq>mika_, you should go to the site, and then they have non official sources, and then debian, and then just add that source to your /etc/apt/sources.list, and then apt-get update and then install
12:50<fxiny>nerim is old
12:51<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
12:51<mika_>that nerib is from a book ""Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 bible"
12:51<fxiny>he moved
12:51<compaq>mika_, go the the website for mplayer
12:52<compaq> I think
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12:53<mika_>ok, but I am afraid to install it as root, since it may break kaffeine, vlc etc... that's why I'd like to create a version with different filename, so already existing apps would continue to work with whatever libraries that come with the distro...
12:53<MadHag>is there a command to see which version of webalizer I have on my server?
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12:53<compaq>mika_, it won't break it if you go to the site and use those sources, cause I did it, and everyone else, so we can confirm for you
12:53<compaq>mika_, try it
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12:54<compaq>mika_, kaffiene is cool cause you can save streams, and forward
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12:55<compaq>MadHag, which
12:55<MadHag>I have it, just type webalizer :)
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12:55<mika_>And, I'm currently running KUbuntu 7.04. However, after reading that ubuntu 8.04 is very unstable, I am not sure what to do next. I have debian etch on my other PC, but well, ubuntu can automatically recognize some things that debian cannot. That raises a good question: why a separate distro? Why no an add-on package to debian instead ? (adding those things that are in [ĸ]Ubuntu but not in debian)
12:56<jramirez696>any person help me..
12:56<fxiny>haha is kubu breaking :))
12:56<jramirez696>i have a problem with my squid configuration... FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. Please set 'visible_hostname'
12:57<compaq>mika_, what can ubunto recognize that debian can't?
12:57<mika_>I did not try to install Marillat's packages to KUbuntu. But, I wonder, why cannot linux apps / libraries made in a distro-independent way ?
12:57<fxiny>jramirez696: type : hostname --fqdn
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12:58<mika_>compaq: sorry, cannot remember answer to that right now. Maybe I should download the latest debian into a DVD and install that (after using cfdisk to re-arrange my hard disk....)
12:58<cahoot>the livecd?
12:58<mika_>debian livecd ???
12:58<fxiny>compaq: ubuntu recognize it's inferiority :P
12:59<fxiny>debian can't :P
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12:59<jramirez696>debian:/etc/squid# hostname --fqdn
12:59<compaq>fxiny, hehe
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13:00<fxiny>jramirez696: localhost is not ok : you want something like , jramirez696,my.flat and so on
13:00<fxiny>compaq: ;)
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13:01<jramirez696>then as I change it?
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13:02<fxiny>it will certainly work
13:02<mika_>I don' t know about etch, but with debian sarge the ONLY way I could get xwindow working properly, was to boot with knoppix-CD, copy the xwindow configuration file made by knoppix to a USB memory stick, then copy from there to my debian installation
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13:03<cahoot>mika_: so you're referring to rather old experiences
13:03<compaq>mika_, yeah I've done that. But you can also use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or Xconfigurator
13:03<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
13:03<mika_>yes, but i'd like to use only stable release ...
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13:04<cahoot>and still using ubunut?
13:04<jramirez696>fxiny: I have no idea how to change it?
13:04<jramirez696>tell me where, or to make it look like?
13:04<compaq>mika_, I copied from net though, some custom configs
13:04<fxiny>jramirez696: read above
13:04<jramirez696>??? any web?
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13:05<fxiny>jramirez696: use <something> or <something>.my.flat
13:06<jramirez696>y have a domain name in my company...
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13:06<fxiny>it's up to you then , whatever suits you
13:06<jramirez696>I like to change it?
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13:09<compaq>mika_, I always thought Ubunto was a good distro too
13:10<jthomas>GRUB issues... I installed KDE4.1 onto my laptop and now i cannot boot :( GRUB is telling me that there are no files for the kernels (Error 15: file not found)... I can boot into the default EeePC install on /dev/sda1 but not the full Debian on /dev/sdb1 even though the GRUB looks like its pointing correctly... Any helpers?
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13:12<compaq>jthomas, yo, you are awesome, I wanna try one of those too. There is a special distro for install on those, google it, something like
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13:13<compaq>jthomas, do you use an external harddrive for storage?
13:13<jthomas>it is awesome... but i was just using the default install and it worked before until this upgrade :( other kernel upgrades hadn't messed with grub so i am not sure the issue
13:14<jthomas>compaq no, the Eee Xandros is on /dev/sda1 and my Debian is /dev/sdb1 and its all there...
13:14<qq_>witch kernel ?
13:14<compaq>jthomas, it was just a normal debian installl you did and it worked fine, cause I wanna buy one too
13:14<jthomas>yes, with Lenny
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13:14<jthomas>but i would agree that the custom ones would be better since the wifi and camera took some work
13:15<compaq>jthomas, but then why did you have to do a kernel install?
13:15<compaq>jthomas, stable didn't work either?
13:15<compaq>jthomas, Xandros sucks?
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13:16<jthomas>compaq: the kernel install just happened with my dist-upgrade; yes xandros sucks, the easy mode is nice for noobs but there were no packages that I wanted; stable mighta worked but i like my KDE new... but what I am asking is, how can I fix my GRUB???
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13:17<compaq>jthomas, which packages did you want?
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13:18<compaq>jthomas, its been a pain for me with testing, that it is always doing kernel upgrade, why didn't stable work, why did you have to use Lenny?
13:18<jthomas>that made me pick lenny over etch? kde 3.5.9 i think... and it mighta been needed for wifi, i forget. i just run testying always pretty much. but i want my GRUB fixed.
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13:20<qq_>jthomas: but boot on old kernel is ok ?
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13:20<compaq>GRUB should be easy, it probably messed up, and you should at least be able to edit it to boot into you old kernel and try again, doesn't it come up at boot, GRUB showing the three kernels, Xandros, old kernel, and new kernel
13:21<jthomas>yes it is; xandros repos don't have chroot tho to try for a grub reinstall...
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13:21<compaq>jthomas, Lenny has new KDE, is it much nicer?
13:21<compaq>jthomas, I am gonna do a dist-upgrade too, what do you do apt-get ?
13:21<dpkg>dist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade>
13:21<jthomas>grub should be easy, and i have the three or whatever debian kernels listed, but none will bootup
13:22<qq_>jthomas:[19:14:09] <qq_> which kernel ?
13:23<Tchou>Como foi seu dia??
13:23<jthomas>2.6.18, 2.6.22, 2.6.26... if i edit grub, filename-completion works with [tab]... it seems it dislikes the root=/dev/sdb1 perhaps??
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13:23<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
13:23<compaq>jthomas, but there kernels are there, so you just gotta edit the grub file and make sure it is correct, and the do grub install or something. Where are all the experts usually here
13:24<jthomas>i know; it seems to me the grub file is fine; but i cannot seem to do grub-install from the chroot environment since xandros doesn't have chroot, and i don't wanna do it from the main os
13:25<compaq>jthomas, I hate using testing cause if this annoyances
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13:25<jthomas>well, this is the first issue since i got the machine, so i guess its acceptable to me...
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13:25<compaq>jthomas, I never heard of this chroot so well. If you got debian installed, then why do you care about having Xandros there too. I guess cause you paid for it eh. But I never dual boot anymore, it like pick one
13:26<jthomas>eventualy yes i'd like to wipe the xandros, but its a nice demo
13:27<anote>anybody know a FREE file transfer site which does NOT support files larger than 5-10 mbs? (i.e. that is not bullshit but actually works)
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13:27<compaq>anote, HUH, I use ftp
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13:28<anote>compaq: i use ftp too but sometimes i need something like this
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13:28<jthomas>figured it out, it was the stupid GRUB root (hd0,0) thing
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13:29<jthomas>it was set to (hd1,0)
13:29<jthomas>booting into KDE4 now, woot!
13:29<compaq>jthomas, I think you just have to edit grub, cause it is pointing to a file that isn't there, so maybe a file name changed, and you are using the old name or something
13:29<compaq>jthomas, how did you fix it?
13:29<jlj>hi I'm wondering about the 2: in front of the version number of packets. ie Xorg X server - core server
13:29<jlj>could someone tell me what it means?
13:29<compaq>jthomas, so now your webcam, mic, wifi all working?
13:29<jthomas>compaq: edited grub and just changed the (hd1,0) to everything else till it worked, like (hd2,0) or (hd2,1) and it worked on (hd0,0)
13:30<compaq>jthomas, you the man
13:30<compaq>webcam works with debian?
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13:30<jthomas>compaq: not yet sure about webcam or wifi, will let you know once i am in... webcam worked before tho
13:31<compaq>jthomas, man...I bought a dell, it was pain for installing. I had to edit scripts for turning the screen on when I open the lid, it would shut off when I closed it, but not reopen. If someone didn't already do it and post, I would never have guessed
13:32<compaq>jthomas, wifi is pretty easy though, for years I couldn't do, but all you have to do is install some intel firmware
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13:33<MadHag>would setting up an irc server on my server be a difficult task?
13:33<compaq>man I wish I had a job, then I would get out of my room, and stop chain smoking, and buy a EeePC
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13:33<anote>compaq: get a job
13:33<lucas2>Hello, I am installing lenny from my HD, everything works fine and (almost) fully automatic, but what was the trick again to make the installer give me an expert install?
13:34<compaq>You have to be politically correct to live in Canada. Its my religion and personal belief that gays are evil. They hate that in my town
13:34<anote>lucas2: double-f6 :)
13:34<compaq>anote, I spent four years in University, and worked my ass off, and lived like a begger for so long, and I have so much debt, and all I can get is $10 labour job
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13:35<compaq>I'd rather go to hell than work for free
13:35<anote>compaq: life sucks
13:35<compaq>I'd be fine if I was white, jew or Christian though. They gonna burn in hell. We are gonna say, look at you now, you used to be so spoiled, now burn in hell
13:35<lucas2>anote: where? In the installer itself as soon as it boots? The first screen I get is the language choice
13:36<compaq>FOR ETERNITY. Life is awesome
13:36<anote>compaq: you chinese? :)
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13:36<chealer>compaq: use #debian-offtopic for offtopic talk
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13:37<anote>compaq: well, i don't consider pakistanis non-white. they're indo-european after all.
13:38<compaq>I'm not white, some pakistanis are white, not me though, I am the indian kind
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13:38<anote>compaq: i see
13:38<Ryan52>My system doesn't have usb_storage loaded by default. Will it be automagically loaded if I plug in a usb hard drive?
13:38<compaq>Ryan52, yep
13:39<Ryan52>even if this is a minimal command line system?
13:39<Ryan52>(so, it's not some stupid gui tool doing that, right?)
13:39<compaq>Ryan52, you can open file manager
13:39<compaq>Ryan52, kernel has usb
13:39<compaq>is it like a usb plug in stick?
13:40<Ryan52>external usb hard drive
13:40<Ryan52>I wish I had access to the system my app is deployed on...
13:40<compaq>yeah, should just show up
13:40<compaq>plug it in and open home, it doesn't show up there?
13:40<compaq>Ryan52, maybe you have to manually mount it then
13:40<WayneSallee>I'm reinstalling Debian on my usb hard drive. My motherboard on one of my computers did not like the previous install. The bios would hang when trying to detect the drive. If the bootable flag is off on the primary Ext3 partiton, it won't boot, right?
13:41<Ryan52>compaq: hard drives never auto mount themselves...
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13:41<cahoot>WayneSallee: linux doesn't care about boot flag
13:41<Ryan52>unless you've got some gui tool...
13:41<compaq>Ryan52, oh, well you can edit the file, I think it is /etc/fstab
13:41<Ryan52>compaq: yes, I know.
13:42<compaq>Ryan52, hehe, of course
13:42<Ryan52>compaq: I am a system administrator...I aint no dummy.
13:42<Ryan52>grr. the module does automatically get loaded when a usb hard drive is plugged in.
13:42<WayneSallee>cahoot: ok thanks, so I can still have the computer boot strait to usb hard drive without setting the boot flag?
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13:43<compaq>Ryan52, I never thought you were a dummy. Hey I wanna be an administrator too
13:43<compaq>Ryan52, I think maybe I am the dummy, hehe
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13:44<Ryan52>I have this disk tester program that I (well, somebodty else wrote it, I am just the maintainer now) wrote. and I don't have access to the system it's deployed on for another two weeks. and I can't reproduce the problem (not detecting usb hard drives) on my laptop. Then, I realized that LTSP chroots don't have usb_storage loaded by default, and my laptop does, so I thought that might be the problem. but I guess not.
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13:46<mikek>hello everybody! Need help!
13:46<Ryan52>!tell mikek about ask
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13:46<mikek>Gnome hangs when windiw manager stats ... how can I reset settings ?
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13:47<Ryan52>mikek: mv .gconf .gconf.bak
13:47<Ryan52>(the settings for your user)
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13:47<hingwah>hi, is there any way to override the ata driver used instead of ata_piix? my system cannot detect PATA cdrom as my motherboard is using marvel controller, i tried 'blacklist=ata_pixx" but then it won't able to mount root filesystem, i would like to override ata_piix with sata_mv or pata_marvell
13:48<hingwah>that's bugs #495271 which have the same situation as me by the way.
13:48<Ryan52>you used the bts! you get a cookie!
13:49*Ryan52 hands hingwah a cookie
13:49<mikek>i have delete all dirs *gnome* but it still don`t start
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13:49<hingwah>Ryan52, the bug is not filed by me by the way
13:50<mikek>after it start - window don`t have window manager bar ((
13:50<mikek>if i login from another user - all starts ok !
13:51<Ryan52>mikek: did you move .gconf aside?
13:51<Ryan52>hingwah: the fact that the kernel maintainers haven't responded after 13 days scares me...
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13:52<mikek>yes i did. I remover all directories contained g**conf etc.
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13:52<mikek>i think there is such file, that i did`nt deleted ...
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13:54<hingwah>Ryan52, maybe busy for lenny release
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13:55<mika_>Ryan52: you seem to do C/C++ programming on linux ?
13:57<mika_>How big a job would be to copy everything from Christian Marillat's multimedia site, and combine it all to produce just 2 files including all of it: and libmultimedia.h, so these could be installed on any linux distro without breaking existing apps ?
13:58<Ryan52>mika_: what's 'everything'
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13:58<Ryan52>mika_: I do C. though most of what I do is ruby (because I'm forced to, not by choice).
13:58<mika_>at least libavcodec, libavformat, and possibly ffmpeg, h.264 and 3gp codecs etc ...
13:59<Ryan52>oh, that stuff.
13:59<Ryan52>(I didn't know it as Christian Marillat's)
13:59<mika_>I haven't looked at the source code, but I guess it is etither C or C++ or some combination of those 2
13:59<Ryan52>you can't just combine a bunch of libraries by smooshing them into one .so. It doesn't work like that.
13:59<Ryan52>why would you want nto do that?
13:59<mikek>i think Metacity nas broked
14:00<mika_>there's another version of that stuff in many distro's (at least [K]Ubuntu has it, I am not sure about debian, for intellectual property reasons)
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14:00<mika_>But [K)]Ubuntu's version does not include H.264 codecs
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14:00<mika_>what's to stop doing that?
14:01<Ryan52>mika_: that still doesn't explain why you want it to be in 1 .so
14:01<Ryan52>I see no reason why having multiple .so's is bad. it's probably a good thing.
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14:02<cahoot>he wants it portable to any linux distro
14:02<mika_>for several reasons: 1. if "as is" it includes a version of, say,, then installing it into an existing system (and so overwriting the distro's own version) that may break existing apps (like kaffeine, vlc player etc)
14:02<mika_>cahoot: yes, that is 1 of the reasons
14:02<mika_>and 2. make it easy to use from any programming language, not just C/C++
14:02<Ryan52>cahoot: that makes no sense. you can have all of the .so's on any distro.
14:03<cahoot>in that case my guess is you need make it compiled staic
14:03<mika_>well, then you must rename the .so ?
14:03<cahoot>Ryan52: I know that
14:03<mika_>no. compiling it static makes it impossible to use from languages other than C/C++
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14:04<mika_>and, I find it confusing: why is the .so named but the headers both libavformat.h and libavcodec.h ?
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14:05<Ryan52>mika_: dynamic linking doesn't make it usable in other languages
14:05<mika_>I think it would be more logical if it always went like this: = headers in libsomething.h
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14:05<Ryan52>mika_: ruby bindings for a library can be staticly linked.
14:05<Ryan52>mika_: well, then there should be lib.c instead of stdio.h and stdlib.h and unistd.h and blah blah blah blah blah
14:05<mika_>yes, it does. At least both kylix and freepascal can use .so dynamic libraries programmed in "C"
14:06<mika_>The same goes for C++ too, but then all exported stuff must be plain old functions, not classes, and ...
14:06<Ryan52>mika_: yes. they do. those are special C bindings, that were made to extend kylix or freepascal
14:06<mika_>also, all exported functions must be enclosed in: extern "C" { ... put the exported function headers here ..... }
14:09<jthomas>I have upgraded my EeePC Debian Lenny and now my mouse doesn't work, anyone have ideas?
14:09<mika_>well, your staement about lib.c instead of all those .h's is true... unless there is a text file (or html) somewhere explaining what all .h files correspond to what .so file. I am not aware of such documentation. Is there one, and if there is, how to find it, and especially, how to find a version applicable to any particular distro ???
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14:10<Ryan52>mika_: I can make my own .so and .h. So there will be no ultimate list...
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14:10<Ryan52>mika_: dpkg -L `dpkg -S /path/to/so`
14:11<Ryan52>mika_: will list all of the files in the same package. though you probably the -dev package for the .h...
14:11<mika_>is there some command-line tool that can tell me what .h files correspond to a given .so file? and also, given one .h file, tell what .so file has the actual machine code implementing those functions mentioned in that .h file ?
14:12<compaq>mika_, I think you need to take you genius ass to a C channel, but I don't mind
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14:14<Ryan52>people in C channels are mean. (at least on freenode...)
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14:15<compaq>Ryan52, I love C and C++
14:15<WayneSallee>Actually I think that the bootable flag did need to be on, and that is what caused me to just now get a bootstrap error.
14:16<compaq>In my humble opinion, if one would like to pursue interst in C/C++ development, they should try Q
14:16<compaq>The KDE library, Q something
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14:17<Ryan52>compaq: I've done Gtk in C. I've done Qt in in ruby, heavily relying on the C++ docs. Haven't actually done Qt in C++, though...
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14:17<Ryan52>compaq: what kind of programs do you write?
14:18<mika_>I tried dpkg -L `/usr/lib/` ... but got bash: /usr/lib/ Permission denied .... do I really need to do that as root, and if so, why? (since I am not trying to modify anything, just take a look)
14:18<compaq>Ryan52, you mean to tell me Gtk is all C no C++, it doesn't use classes?
14:18<compaq>Ryan52, I did just the tutorials
14:18<Ryan52>compaq: nope. I think there's a version of gtk with classes, but gtk itself isn't object oriented.
14:18<compaq>I went up to the canon game but never finished it, and I tried to read the text editor, but it went over my head
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14:19<mika_>I like to do new development in Freepascal + lazarus. But in Linux, since most of the needed libraries are written in C/C++, it is necessary to understand at least something about the C/C++ ways to do things...
14:20<compaq>Ryan52, but gnome using classes eh?
14:20<Ryan52>I dunno
14:21<Ryan52>I know that glib doesnt...
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14:23<compaq>Lets all three of us do some Qt apps online
14:23<compaq>lets start an open source project
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14:24<mika_>well, lazarus is the easiest way to do basic apps. But if you want to add advanced features to the app, linke palying/editing video, then you need libraries developed by others, typically in C or C++ .,..
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14:25<mika_>and yes, you can use C/C++ libraries from a lazarus (freepascal) app, but there are some rules how to proceed, I already wrote about some rules, one more: declare C lang functions as Cdecl; in freepascal.
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14:25<compaq>lets start an easy but useful app that maybe will be used someday, come to #debian-offtopic and lets brainstorm and get to work and then get rich. What, lets say 30days, and we can move out of parents house
14:25<compaq>well for me at least
14:25<compaq>I don't know what is lazarus to be honest
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14:25<Ryan52>get rich from an open source project...ya...right...
14:26<bruna>oie genti
14:26<mika_>Actually, if I get some help how to modify Marillat's libraries into a useable format , I'd like to develop the best video editor for linux...
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14:26<Ryan52>mika_: they *are* in a usable format
14:26<m_101>good luck
14:26<bruna>belexa genti
14:26<mika_>well, are the ffmpeg, libavcodec and libavformat GPL or LGPL licensed ?
14:27<Ryan52>well, if they aren't then you can't fix that. you'd have to rewrite it.
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14:27<bruna>my name is rafaela
14:27<m_101>I've got a problem with Gnome ... at the start the icons on the Desktop respond, but when I try to click on a folder, it freeze the Desktop and I'm unable to access my file with Gnome ... only by terminal
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14:27<bruna>wats your name?
14:27<mika_>no, they currently are not. If I install then in a KUbuntu 7.10 system, isn't there a danger that kaffeine, vlc and others stop working ?
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14:27<bruna>your name?
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14:29<mika_>ryan52, are you really telling me, that it is impossible to take several C/C++ source files, and combine all of them to produce a single .so file ?
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14:30<Ryan52>:|. no, I'm not. I'm not telling you anything. (*hides*)
14:30<mika_>lazarus is like Delphi, but it is open source and for several platforms, including both linux and ms-windows
14:30<robotook>what's the best/commonly used C++ IDE? Anything similar to Visual Studio?
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14:31<mika_>I tried KDevelop. Otherwise ok, but it does not have the nice feature of Borland's C++ builder: hold down ctrl and click on any identifier - it will open the file where that identifier is declared and jump to the definition/declaration
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14:31<m_101>Anjuta, Kdevelop, Code::Blocks, Eclipse, ..... there are many good IDE ;)
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14:32<mika_>lazarus has that same ctrl-click feature as well, so does delphi
14:32<Lethalman>i've upgraded to kernel 2.6.26
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14:32<compaq>Ryan52, the open source developers make money, they get famous and contracts and jobs
14:32<fxiny>apt-cache show ecb
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14:33<Lethalman>and i can't ifconfig wlan0 up
14:33<Lethalman>it gives me an error
14:33<Lethalman>but the driver seems to work correctly, i can see wlan0 from iwconfig
14:33<Lethalman>now i switched to .25-2 back
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14:33<mika_>the biggest problem of linux is constantly changing API's and poor documentation.
14:34<fxiny>mika_: ecb
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14:35<mika_>for example: what if I make a very good debugger using GDB's machine interface (MI). They specifically say that thay can replace the MI api with a new version any time, and immediately stop supporting the old one.
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14:35<mika_>ecb ????
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14:35<Ryan52>mika_: aptitude show ecb
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14:37<compaq>I think Qt is a good bet, it will be around for while
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14:37<m_101>mika_, .... it becauses they correct, fix, and add a lot of thing in less time that it would be necessary for proprietary software
14:37<Ryan52>compaq: I think command line is better. It has been around for a while.
14:38<Ryan52>compaq: and standard's won't change.
14:38<m_101>and Linux has good documentation
14:38<Ryan52>and posix too, for that matter
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14:38<m_101>I've got a problem with Gnome ... at the start the icons on the Desktop respond, but when I try to click on a folder, it freeze the Desktop and I'm unable to access my file with Gnome ... only by terminal
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14:39<Ryan52>m_101: run nautilus in a terminal. wait for the error.
14:39<compaq>Ryan52, sure, but Qt is cross platform, and you gonna wanna make gui apps, what kind of apps were you thinking?
14:39<mika_>so that means, than my new shiny debugger stops working properly as soon as the GDB development team decides to release a new (incompatible) version which has a new MI api, and does not support the old one. And once distro's start including that new GDB, my nice debugger is turned into a nonworking app?
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14:40<Ryan52>compaq: I never said GUI.
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14:40<compaq>Ryan52, what kind of app then
14:40<m_101>mmm Ryan52 ... can you tell me more details about it?
14:40<Ryan52>m_101: open a terminal. type nautilus. press enter.
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14:41<m_101>nothing, it keeps waiting
14:42<Ryan52>m_101: are you using etch?
14:42<m_101>I'm using testing
14:42<mika_>is the linux kernel support for debuggers as constantly changing as GDB MI ?
14:42<m_101>(it's because of the iwl4965 drivers)
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14:43<m_101>mika_, .... if you're unhappy with GDB MI ... just code your own debugger stuff ;)
14:43<Ryan52>m_101: I know that with the libxml2 security update it broke a lot of things, and then they released a new one that doesn't break a lot of things...
14:43<m_101>'cause it'll keep changing until they can't make it better
14:43<Ryan52>m_101: which is why I asked...
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14:44<m_101>gonna try to update then I'll see if my gnome come back to normal
14:44<mika_>GDB MI would be fine, if it were guaranteed, that an app coded using it today would continue to work properly without time limit, also in new distros
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14:44<m_101>you can't promise that ...
14:44<m_101>in the same branch ... ok ... but not inter versions
14:45<Ryan52>m_101: AFAIK that was only for etch, though...
14:45<EmleyMoor>What's the best way to make a copy of a row in a mysql table, with just one field different (so as to act as a backup of the original)?
14:45<m_101>Ryan52, it might be possible that an update broke my gnome
14:45<m_101>(I've remove the .gnome2, .... config folders ... so not coming from my config)
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14:48<mika_>I wonder why IBM, Red Hat, Canonical, Novell and some other major linux companies do not join their power to publish "frozen linux API", a commercial, but cheap an add-on to any linux distro. I'd guess most linux users would be happy to pay, say $50 to get a frozen api, that guarantees that any app coded using only that frozen API will continue to work at least 25 years of distros to come, without recompiling. That money would the buy the development t
14:48<mika_>ime needed to get a new version of the binary code implementing that API everytime a new distro is published.
14:48<m_101>you dream man ....
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14:49<Ryan52>mika_: because they don't make it...
14:49<m_101>they are commercial companu and have their market share to get ... they won't share their part of the cake
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14:49<m_101>and moreover ... I'm not going to pay for some bullshit coming from commercial company which only goal would be to get our money and nothing else ......
14:49<mika_>doing that would benefit all companies that do business with linux. It would increase linux's market share (and decrease market share of MS-windows)
14:50<m_101>'cause yeah it might be frozen ... but what about fixes? .... will they be as fast as they are actually ? .... I don't think so .... 'caus it'll cost them so much money that they'll limit it
14:51<mika_>Well, if not commercial company, what about a nonprofit pro-linux organization ? (that still has to paty salary tho those developers who would then constalntly update the implementation of that API, as new distros come up) ?
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14:51<m_101>and finally, usually, API are compatible in the same branch .... if you compare 3.x.x and 4.x.x .... for sure it has chance it won't be compatible
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14:52<m_101>because if they don't change anything between branches ..... there is no meaning branching ... and software will never evolve
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14:53<m_101>if Debian never updated their packages and stayed frozen on 1993 Linux .... do you think it would be better? .... certainly not ...
14:53<mika_>think abou ms-windows. A 16-bit delphi 1.0 app will run without problems on all of these: windows 3.11, windows NT (3.51, 4.0), win 95/98/98SE/ME/2000/XP/server 2003/XP media edition
14:53<ghostlines>hi all
14:53<m_101>with no problem ..... yeah they coded an emulation layer
14:53<mika_>and a delphi 2.0 app runs on all of the above except windows 3.11, but it runs on vista too
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14:53<ghostlines>file permissions can't be set on ntfs file systems right ?
14:53<ghostlines>cuz i'm having problems doing that
14:53<m_101>the shell prompt all people call DOS in Windows ... is not DOS .... but an emulation layer of it
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14:54<m_101>and between Windows 3.11 and Windows XP ... the API and the internals have changed dramatically ....
14:55<m_101>you always need to code some compatibility or emulation layers to make some old apps to work on news API ...
14:55<dcb>if udev wanted to load a module but it couldn't, does it log that anywhere?
14:55<mika_>for example: MS originally defined a function called GetDiskFreeSpace (appeared in Windows 95). But the design was somewhat flawed: as soon as people started having disks over 4 gigabytes, it could not r4port correctly the amount of total/free disk space
14:55<dcb>i.e. if you missed a driver or something
14:55<m_101>so they had to change it ....
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14:56<m_101>damn ... I've got a slow internet connection .... 15 minutes to go till the update is finished ><
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14:56<m_101>(then I'll tell you if my problem is resolved or not)
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14:56<mika_>the MS solution: the (now old) GetDiskFreeSpace returns 3,99 GB total on big disks and 3,99 GB available when the correct amount is >= 4 GB. And thay made a NEW function: GetDiskFreeSpaceEx, which understands big disks correctly.
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14:57<m_101>we're not Microsoft ...
14:57<mika_>So they got the best of both old and new: old apps using the old function still work, but cannot report more than 3,99 GB total/free. And new apps can use the new functuion, and get correct results
14:58<m_101>or they could modify the existing function to be compatible with old and new
14:58<EmleyMoor>I'm really finding this mysql job difficult - and all I am trying to do is prevent a breakage causing me to lose my settings
14:58<mika_>What is to stop to do something similar in linux, both the kernel and in several libraries?
14:58<m_101>that's what free software always try to do 'cause you don't have to use 2 functions ... but 1 for the same stuff
14:59<mika_>The old function could not be modified so, that it could at the same time both be compatible with old apps not aware of any modification and new apps ...
14:59<m_101>mika_, just don't use Linux and go Windows ... so you'll have your frozen stuff (and redundants functions)
14:59<m_101>if it's in dynamic library ... yes it'll take the new stuff without even be aware ....
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15:00<m_101>(that's what it means compatibility and emulation layer)
15:00<mika_>believe me: once someone offers a frozen APi on linux, we well all see more and better apps for linux
15:00<alien>Someone have tested Debian lenny beta 1 kde iso image i 386? To me do not start from cd, failed boot and get error.
15:01<m_101>standards won't change ... POSIX, .... it won't change, it'll evolve
15:01<mika_>about dynamic libs: yes, you can fix bugs that way. And sometimes offer new functionality, as long as the APi does not change in an incompatible way.
15:01<m_101>so you already have a frozen base ....
15:01<m_101>I'll repeat myself : compatible and emulation layer are there to prevent incompatibilities
15:02<dcb>I upgraded my workstation (processor/motherboard/memory) and now the usb mouse doesn't work and I checked that hid and usbhid are loading okay and I'm not sure what else to do
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15:02<mika_>but how do you install, for example, Marillat's library in an existing system, and at the same time guarantee, that kaffeine, vlc palyer etc, do NOT get broken findong an incompatible library ?
15:02<dcb>it works inside the ubuntu livecd rescue thingy
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15:03<dcb>so I'm obviously missing something but I can't tell what
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15:03<m_101>mika_, like I said ... you're dreaming ... cause freezing the developpement of thousands of library .... is not possible
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15:04<m_101>like I said : libraries have to changed or else software will never evolve
15:04<mika_>if the often-had linux attitude is that any library can change in whatever way at any time, the only way I can see a different version of a library be installed in whatever linux distro, is to use a name that does not overwrite any existing library, and so avoids breaking existing apps
15:05<m_101>it's like saying : we'll continue to drive huge cars which use a lot of gas ... even if gas runout and is fucking expensive
15:05<m_101>... it has no meaning in staying frozen like that .... but not go forward ....
15:06<m_101>and if you use Debian Stable, .... that's what it means to have a stable : thoroughly tested and frozen system
15:06<mika_>m_101: I mean that developers can change what they want. But there would be a compatibility layer between apps and libraries. So apps would not need any change even if a library changes. However, the compatibility layer *does* need to be changed every time a library (or the kernel) changes in an incompatible way
15:06<m_101>if you use testing or unstable ... you must know that it can change anytime
15:07<m_101>the compatibility layer is a big headache for devs ....
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15:07<mika_>Well, if I have debian stable: how can I install a program that either: a) is not part of debian distro or b) is part of the debian distro, but I want a newer version of the app than is part of debian stable ?
15:08<m_101>if you install a newer version ... you must know that it can changes anytime ....
15:09<mika_>well, to compare with my windows example: in new windows versions: the old GetDiskFreeSpace function is now just a stub calling the new GetDiskFreeSpaceEx function, and doing the necessary parameter and function result-massaging between ...
15:09<m_101>if you wanna be sure you(re thing works : static compilation is the key
15:09<m_101>Linux is not Windows so there is no point in comparing these 2 systems which are completely differents
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15:10<mika_>And if I want to develop my app using freepascal, then I guess "static compilation" means: to compile one big .so dynamic library, that does not link to other libraries, but includes them using static compilation ?
15:11<m_101>like I said : if you're unhappy with the library you use ... just code your own one ....
15:11<mika_>Linux is not Windows, that's true. But nothing should stop using the same ideas that provide compatibility between windows95 and windows vista, to provide compatibility between, say debian woody and KUbuntu 8.04
15:11<m_101>so you won't complain again about a library changing ....
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15:13<m_101>mika_, you're talking nonsense .... 'cause the ABI is differents, that's completely normal : a librart compiled with VC 6 and VC 8 won't be compiled with the same ABI and thus won't be compatible between them
15:13<stevecotton>mika_> GetDiskFreeSpaceEx, which understands big disks correctly >> is that like making a new set of functions called fstat64, lstat64 etc?
15:13<m_101>and the distributors are differents people
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15:13<m_101>it's like telling Nortel and Alcaltel to merge their telephony systems ......
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15:15<m_101>or telling Alcaltel to merge their old systems in their new ones .... non sense
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15:15<mika_>stevecotton: exactly. Instead of breaking all old apps using fstat by suddenly replacing fstat (32-bit) parameters with 64-bit ones, it was thought wiser to levae fstat alone and provide new fstat64 instead. That's a good example, that sometimes in linux things are done the smart way as well.
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15:17<m_101>when you have something which changes ... it's cause it had to
15:17<mika_>m_101: no. situation now: a library developer decides to change a library in a way that breaks compatibility. Hundreds of apps may need to be changed to keep them working properly (what amount of work in total). If the apps were using a compatibility layer instead of the library directly, then just ONE module would need changing: the compatibility layer, the apps would need no change at all.
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15:17<m_101>when you have something which changes ... it's cause it had to
15:18<mika_>cahoot: isn't there a lot of examples that a library is changes and many apps need changing to keep on working properly ?
15:18<m_101>I'm talking big changes between branches
15:18<m_101>and yeah ... they musn't change the compatibility in a branch itself
15:19<m_101>if you use lib 1.x for example ... you don't just go with lib 2.x without changing anything in your code .....
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15:19<m_101>but if you have lib 1.x and go for lib 1.x.1 .... yeah the compatibility must be the same
15:20<mika_>but still no answer: if I just go and recompile and install the multimedia stuff from Christian Marillat's site: can I expect my kaffeine and VLC continue to work properly or wil they break ?
15:20<m_101>like kernel devs said : 2.6 is the main branch, but inside it can change dramatically : between 2.26.2 and 2.26.3 there might be BIG changes
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15:20<valdyn>m_101: no
15:20<m_101>between 2.26.2 and their might me only minor changes
15:21<valdyn>m_101: youre confused
15:21<m_101>it's the politics of the API, library coders which you should follow ... not your own feeling
15:21<m_101>valdyn, tell me ... I'll listen
15:22<mika_>so it seems that nobody really knows whether kaffeine and/or vlc will break if I install the Marillat's libraries "as is"
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15:22<valdyn>mika_: why would they break?
15:22<compaq>mika_, still?
15:22<valdyn>mika_: theres no 2.26 version
15:22<m_101>no ... like I said, it's impossible to garantee you that ... see with the Marillat's developpers to see what has changed dramatically
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15:23<m_101>whoops valdyn .... typos
15:23<mika_>And that exactly is the reason why I asked, how big job is it to combine everythng in marillat's site into a single .so library and rename that so that it will not break anything, but enables development of new apps
15:23<valdyn>mika_: that would be fucked up
15:23<m_101>2.6 I wanted to means .... well doesn't matter ... you get the idea I think
15:24<valdyn>mika_: marillat stuff does not break anything
15:24<valdyn>mika_: and if it does, thats a bug, bugs happen
15:24<compaq>mika_, it didn't break nothing over here. Forget the source you got from the text book which is an old source, and go to the website for mplayer and get the recent soure
15:24<mika_>valdyn: the Marillat's library is not the kernel. Did you check the version numbers of it ?
15:24<valdyn>mika_: hows that relevant?
15:25<mika_>"valdyn> mika_: why would they break?" - "valdyn> mika_: theres no 2.26 version" - I thought thes e two are somehow connected ?
15:25<valdyn>mika_: he was talking about kernel versions
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15:26<mika_>How do I download all of Marillat's multimedia library but not using apt-get or aptitude - so that I can rename the libraries so that I can be 100% sure they will not overwrite anything ?
15:26<valdyn>mika_: marillat ships just codecs for all i know. Those are not really linked like libraries, they should never break an app
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15:27<mika_>I plan to use the self -downloaded version in a new app only, and want that vlc, kaffeine etc will continue to use the versions that come with my distro
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15:28<mika_>codecs? does that mean code that implements what is "sort of" documented in libavcodec.h ?
15:28<mika_>waht about libavformat.h ?
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15:28<valdyn>mika_: it means that its loaded like a plugin
15:28<valdyn>mika_: plugins breaking an app mean a severe security hole
15:29<mika_>what app or library loads the codecs ?
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15:29<valdyn>mika_: the movie player
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15:29<mika_>I am seraching for libraries and documentation for them that would enable me to write my own video editor
15:29<compaq>my net goes slow sometimes, I think I have a virus or something, maybe a flash vulnerability, or maybe its the fukers at my internet service providers
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15:30<m_101>have you check about noise on your line?
15:30<anote>anybody know a FREE file transfer site which does NOT support files larger than 5-10 mbs? (i.e. that is not bullshit but actually works)
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15:31<mika_>but I feel a little confused about all this multimedia stuff. Searching the net I found references to: libavcodec.h, libavformat.h and ffmpeg
15:31<Lethalman>anote, youfile
15:31<anote>Lethalman: thanks lemme check
15:32<erKURITA>anote uhm... filefront ?
15:32<mika_>but since and xxx.h seem NOT to have a 1 to 1 corresponding mapping, it's difficult to figure out, what .h -files are implemented in what .so -files !
15:32<qq_>mika_: here is a debian chanal , read the topic , not a multimedia-debian ons, so use a apropriate chanal
15:32<mika_>qq: what is one ?
15:32<qq_>i dunno
15:32<Lethalman>qq_, channel
15:32<erKURITA>qq_ what's the channel then ?
15:33<compaq>m_101, what do you mean, was that for me? irc is still working but net get slows for mozilla
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15:33<m_101>what I mean? check for noise on your phone line
15:33<m_101>check the plug if it's clean, ....
15:34<erKURITA>compaq is it wi-fi ?
15:34<compaq>m_101, internet line you, I don't know how to do that, never heard of it before, I think it was my ISP, or the specific site I was looking at, cause its fine now
15:34<m_101>cause noise, dirty plug will decrease the connection quality ....
15:34<erKURITA>or do you have an access point/router with wi-fi ?
15:34<compaq>erKURITA, no cable
15:35<wired>server side of the website
15:35<mika_>heh... cable connection outperforms ADSL ones... using cable, it is possible to have 110 Mbps in, 5 Mbps out. And this costs 54,90 EUR/month
15:35<compaq>I have a isp modem, for the tv cable converter, then a route which has cable and wifi, and I am connecting the router with a cable to a hum, and from hub to my computer
15:35<m_101>I'll get this for 30 €/month in some weeks :D
15:35<erKURITA>is the wi-fi encrypted?
15:36<erKURITA>or disabled
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15:37<compaq>I often downloads at over 500mb/s over here, its awesome, maybe the irc server is near by. Even if I ftp between two computer here using the hum it can only go up to 1000mb/s and I can almost download off the net on irc at that rate, it is amazing. criten network
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15:37<mika_>35,90 EUR/month would give you 5/1 Mbps here ...
15:37<compaq>it must be someone on my street maybe lol
15:37<compaq>erKURITA, the wifi is encrypted
15:37<compaq>erKURITA, but I dont use it anyway
15:37<erKURITA>wep ? (please, say no)
15:38<compaq>I think so, not sure can't remember, but I don't use it anyway, no one here is
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15:38<compaq>its just on, but we don't use it
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15:38<erKURITA>chances are it's being stolen
15:39<erKURITA>noflash IPV6 ?
15:39<compaq>whos gonna steal it?
15:39<compaq>my neighbors, they can all afford their own
15:39<erKURITA>anyone with a laptop, a few hours and the tools for that
15:39<erKURITA>they don't have to be your neighbors
15:39<compaq>one of my neighbors has it too, cause it come up here
15:39<compaq>the range isn't that far
15:40<erKURITA>it could be a car parked close to you
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15:40<compaq>what they gonna drive over here everytime they wanna use the net?
15:40<compaq>I am in west, in suburbs, people buy their own net here
15:40<m_101>I'll restart my gdm it finished to update the thing :)
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15:40<compaq>erKURITA, you are funny
15:41<erKURITA>compaq it's happened
15:41<compaq>erKURITA, can you crack the encription?
15:41<erKURITA>of course you can
15:41<compaq>but you need the key
15:41<erKURITA>if it was WPA, I wouldn't be worried
15:41<compaq>unless you can guess the key
15:42<erKURITA>that's what cracking a WEP encryption key is all about
15:43<compaq>I doubt it is happening in my neighboorhood though, but if someone want to drive over here and sit in their car to steal net, they are welcome, I would even disable the key if I had it
15:43<Gathond>compaq: well for WEP you don't need the key as such, as you can calculate the key after capturing a few packages
15:43<compaq>I would love it, I would come out to their windows and sell cold pop, hot tea, tuna sandwichs
15:44<Gathond>for WPA /WPA2 the only currently known method is to guess the key used
15:44<compaq>Thanks guys, I will keep it in mind when I am gonna use wifi one day, good to know, WPA is the way to go for security
15:45<erKURITA>WEP should be banished already
15:45<erKURITA>I wonder what's taking them so long
15:45<Gathond>erKURITA: backwards compatability, its not likely to NOT be supported by new devices to allow legacy stuff to work
15:46<erKURITA>yeah I know
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15:52<mgun>what's the best Debian release for MSI WIND?
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15:56<qq_>weasel: 42 ... is what ?
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15:57<compaq>I love these new laptops coming with Linux, I wish debian could come pre-installed though
15:57<saimonn>qq_: the answer to every questions
15:58*qq_ tho is a gun calibre , aha saimonn
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15:58<qq_>salut pierre
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15:59<anote>saimonn: this is not what weasel meant
15:59<saimonn>qq_: ah bah en fait,,_l'Univers_et_le_Reste finalement :)
15:59<saimonn>anote: ah ?
15:59<anote>erKURITA: oh, didn't see your answer, filefront.. thank you too ;)
16:00<Guest4095>does anyone know how to get a list of network interface which are up as a normal user please ?
16:00<anote>saimonn: weasel meant something else by 42
16:00<qq_>saimonn: merci !
16:00<weasel>42 obviously is the best Debian release for MSI WIND.
16:00<weasel>don't you guys know anything
16:00<saimonn>anote: but... but... what did he mean ?
16:00<anote>saiam: he just explained
16:01<anote>saimonn: he just explained
16:01<anote>saimonn: it's a debian release
16:01<saimonn>sorry guy, I don't know this film so much
16:01<anote>weasel: it may be a film too
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16:01<anote>weasel: and whatnot
16:02<saimonn>I've only seen the film, not read the book
16:02<Guest4095>anyone may help me please ?
16:02<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
16:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
16:02<anote>Guest4095: that's not very unlikely
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16:03<Guest4095>anote: why please ?
16:04<Guest4095>Torsten_W: how should I ask then ?
16:04<Torsten_W>ask your question or leave
16:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
16:04<Torsten_W>but, don't ask to ask
16:04<cahoot>Guest4095: try /sbin/ifconfig -a
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16:05<anote>Guest4095: i think you misread my answer. i used "not".
16:05<anote>Guest4095: so ask your question
16:05<cahoot>he already did
16:06<anote>cahoot: oops heh
16:06<Guest4095>Well I already have
16:06<anote>Guest4095: oops heh
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16:07<pierre_>so : does anyone know how to get a list of network interface which are up as a normal user please ? :-)
16:07<cahoot>Guest4095: try /sbin/ifconfig -a
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16:08<saimonn>pierre_: just try /sbin/ifconfig , also if you see 'RUNNING' this means your cable is plugged in (at least for RJ45 ethernet plugs)
16:09<pierre_>thanks ($PATH from root is ≠ from user :-)
16:11<qq_>pierre_: on kde install kmeno
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16:12<qq_>er knemo
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16:16<compaq>anyone play chess on debian, there is an engine called fruit, I can't work
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16:21<anote>erKURITA: it seems filefront is just a game downloads site, nothing about file transfer
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16:43<jthomas>After an upgrade my EeePC's network jack doesn't work, anyone know what to modprobe for? 2.6.26-1 Lenny
16:44<Lounge>How is the EeePC with debian if you don't mind me asking?
16:44<jthomas>i love it, used KDE3 before and today upgraded to KDE4.1. Better than the Xandros since I have access to useful packages
16:44<Lounge>is it good at conserving battery life?
16:45<jthomas>yeah, about the same (this is EeePC 700 or 701, whatever the original was). 4hrs or so if i keep the screen not-too-bright and shut off sume servces
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16:47<jthomas>just tried to sleep it for the first time, worked fine
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16:50<Lounge>i wonder if you have tried the new debian live to see if it can detect your network on the EeePC if it does, then it might be that lenny is bugging out
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16:52<panthera>it doesn't by default, since atl2 isn't installed by default.
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16:52<Lounge>aw ok
16:53<Lounge>well anyhoo Debian Live 5.0 beta is out
16:53<Lounge>beta 1 that is
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16:55<wired>Thanks Lounge.
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16:57<jthomas>panthera so atl2 is the driver I want?
16:57<NooBi3>hello. i had to reinstall windows in my computer (my sister still uses it) and now grub doesn't appear at the boot screen, it loads windows straightly. how can i make it load grub at the boot again?
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16:58<dpkg>rumour has it, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>
16:59<abrotman>NooBi3: use the debian installer in rescue mode and reinstall grub
16:59<jthomas>NooBi3 yeah you'll have to reinstall GRUB which is nice enough to allow other OSs to be listed
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17:00<Lounge>love how mswindows does that sh*t
17:00<panthera>jthomas: as far as i know, yes.
17:00<jthomas>in general, how do I know which hardware I would have to modprobe for, or "m-a a-i xxx" with?
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17:01<jthomas>and which would i need for my wifi?
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17:02<NooBi3>abrotman: already tried and didn't work. it says some other operations need to be done like format the hd and reinstall debian <lol>
17:04<TIBS01>how do i install
17:04<TIBS01>a rpm files
17:04<jthomas>look into 'alien' for converting it to RPM, which doesn't always work
17:04<jthomas>rather from RPM into a DEB
17:05<jthomas>look into 'alien' to convert the RPM into a DEB and install that. there we go.
17:06<NooBi3>TIBS01: apt-get update, apt-get install alien, alien -d "file.rpm"
17:06<Lounge>i just want to say - its a bummer that alien arena doesn't support xpad.ko :(
17:06<TIBS01>so what program do i need for ya
17:06<Lounge>that's my issues for the day
17:06<zackatack>can I get some newbie help with setting up the X server on my new laptop here?
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17:06<jthomas>TIBS01: apt-get update, apt-get install alien, alien -d "file.rpm"
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17:06<jthomas>zackatack whats the issue
17:07<Txt-file>zackatack:any problems?
17:07<NooBi3>zackatack: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:07<jthomas>(as root) ^ ^
17:07<NooBi3>oh yea, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :P
17:07<TIBS01>shell:~# alien -d camfrogserver-4.0-48.noarch.rpm;
17:07<TIBS01>-bash: alien: command not found
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17:08<Lounge>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is your GOD
17:08<NooBi3>TIBS01: you have alien installed already?
17:09<NooBi3>TIBS01: try alien --help or alien -h
17:09<NooBi3>TIBS01: oh, alright
17:09<zackatack>a dell latitude 530 with onboard intel GMA X3100. I tried already dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. says "no X server known for your video hardware"
17:10<TIBS01>ive just installed the pile of shit
17:10<TIBS01>it still aint working
17:10<TIBS01>A package failed to install. Trying to recover:
17:10<TIBS01>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libgtk2.0-0:
17:10<TIBS01> libgtk2.0-0 depends on libgtk2.0-common; however:
17:10<TIBS01> Package libgtk2.0-common is not installed.
17:10<TIBS01>dpkg: error processing libgtk2.0-0 (--configure):
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17:10<dpkg>TIBS01: I don't know, could you explain it?
17:10<dpkg>tibs01: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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17:11<NooBi3>TIBS01: try aptitude update, aptitude install alien
17:11<blarson>!tell TIBS01 about pastebin
17:12<Lounge>fast-scroll posting = bad
17:12<TIBS01>wot was it
17:12<TIBS01>alien -d blabla.rpm/
17:12<NooBi3>-d is the command to convert to .deb
17:13<NooBi3>if it was -r it'd convert to .rpm
17:13<zackatack>after startx, I get lots of errors, including "i810: no matching device sectoion for instance bus id pci 0 2 1 found
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17:13<TIBS01>hell:~# alien -d camfrogserver-4.0-48.noarch.rpm
17:13<TIBS01>-bash: alien: command not found
17:13<TIBS01>shell:~# alien -d camfrogserver-4.0-48.noarch.rpm;
17:13<TIBS01>-bash: alien: command not found
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17:13<TIBS01>any other way than alien ?
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17:14<avu>TIBS01, just install alien. and stop pasting stuff in the channel, use a pastebin.
17:14<TIBS01>i have
17:14<TIBS01>just installed alien
17:14<TIBS01>it aint working
17:14<avu>how did you do that?
17:15<TIBS01>ive just seached for it
17:15<TIBS01>and flags its got pi
17:15<TIBS01>in it
17:15<Lounge>& yes using sudo in debian never hurt [ducks for cover]
17:15<avu>TIBS01, well, see where the binary was installed using dpkg -L alien and adjust your PATH accordingly.
17:16<TIBS01>shell:~# dpkg -L alien
17:16<TIBS01>Package `alien' is not installed.
17:16<avu>so install it.
17:16<TIBS01>so why does apatitude say it is
17:16<avu>aptitude install alien
17:16<avu>execute that. as root.
17:16<avu>and read the ouput to make sure it does what you want.
17:17<TIBS01>paste bin addy
17:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
17:17<NooBi3>TIBS01: sudo aptitude install alien
17:18<avu>NooBi3, you assume sudo is being used, which is not default on debian.
17:18<qq_>TIBS01: fix your apt first , paste your sources list
17:18<Lounge>should make sure sudo is installed 1st :|
17:18<NooBi3>avu: hum... my mistake
17:19<NooBi3>TIBS01: then do, su, type your password and then aptitude install alien
17:19<compaq>I have irc here, yahoo chess using flash in mozilla, and a chess game open, and my cpu is maxed out. Its 2ghz, it should be able to handle it but looks like I got ripped off
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17:19<TIBS01>gthere u go
17:20<TIBS01>yes im superuser
17:20<NooBi3>TIBS01: this is the output from aptitude?
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17:20<filosof>narod privet
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17:20<qq_>[23:18:26] <qq_> TIBS01: fix your apt first , paste your source
17:21<TIBS01>all i seem tobe getting is
17:21<filosof>pomogite pogaluista u menja debian ne widit zwukowoi plati
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17:21<TIBS01>errors from this os
17:21<TIBS01>when ever i compile stuff
17:21<qq_>[23:18:26] <qq_> TIBS01: fix your apt first , paste your source
17:22<TIBS01>how can i fix it
17:22<NooBi3>TIBS01: yea, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
17:22<TIBS01>when ive installed it
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17:24<stevecotton>TIBS01: corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
17:25<stevecotton>TIBS01: try deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtk2.0-common_2.12.11-3_all.deb and redownloading it?
17:25<stevecotton>Or give us the md5sum
17:26<stevecotton>(should be c0228ea355ccbe0f4e2b5a5db79cd448 )
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17:27<TIBS-laptop>debian isnt for me
17:27<TIBS-laptop>all its got is errors
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17:29<NooBi3>trying an apt-get dist-upgrade could solve his problem?
17:29<qq_>No, he has a bad memory or hard disc
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17:31<NooBi3>TIBS-laptop: try installing it manually -
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17:37<lucasvv>Good evening! When I boot Debian Installer from my hard drive, using Grub, how do I make it run in expert mode?
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17:38<weasel>.oO( become an expert )
17:38<qq_>[21:43:12] <qq_> boot:expert ? on #debian-boot ...
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17:39<lucasvv>qq_: I tried it..
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17:40<lucasvv>qq_: I edited the 'kernel' line in Grub, added 'boot=expert' and 'boot:expert' and 'expert'
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17:40<lucasvv>nothing happened...
17:40<Txt-file>lucasvv: etch or lenny?
17:41<compaq>kde apps max out the cpu
17:41<compaq>all the cpu registers or whatever all filled when I open a KDE app
17:42<stevecotton>compaq - a specific app, or any KDE app maxes out the CPU?
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17:43<Txt-file>lucasvv: when I start from debian-installer-cd -> Advanced options -> Expert install
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17:44<Txt-file>lucasvv: or press F1 and then enter expert
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17:44<compaq>stephen, sorry for delay, it is knights
17:44<lucasvv>Txt-file: yes from the CD that works, but I use a HD install - download the HD installer files on a partition and configure Grub (in an existing system) to boot from those files
17:45<compaq>stephen, I have a 2ghz cpu, but they people I bought from don't really like my kind, and they switched the cpu when I bought it
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17:45<lucasvv>Txt-file: This does not give me an installer menu, just the standard Grub boot menu
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17:45<compaq>stephen, its slow to even change desktop background app
17:46<lucasvv>Txt-file: and it boots directly in the default installer mode
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17:48<stevecotton>compaq - what does "cat /proc/cpuinfo" say it is?
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17:48<compaq>lucasvv, that is cool
17:48<Txt-file>lucasvv: I know nothing about HD-install ... only that this is a option
17:48<lucasvv>compaq: yeah, cool isn't it?
17:48<compaq>stevecotton, it says 2.0ghz, but I have another computer it has a 1.7 and its much faster, only problem with that one is the motherboard is intel, it takes forever to boot up
17:48<compaq>lucasvv, I wish I knew how to do it too
17:48<compaq>I am too depressed today, otherwise that sounds like fun
17:49<compaq>lucasvv, how do you get the files onto the harddrive in the first place?
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17:49<lucasvv>compaq: There already is an installed system, and a working boot loader.
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17:50<compaq>lucasvv, oh so it that now big deal then
17:50<compaq>if its installed why you installing some more
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17:50<compaq>I think I came into the conversation too late, sorry for interruption
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17:51<lucasvv>compaq: etch is installed, and I want to install lenny on an other partition
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17:51<lucasvv>compaq: and I don't want to burn a CD
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17:51<rickbot>hi @ll
17:52<rickbot>strange problem with opera but i think its debian related
17:52<compaq>lucasvv, you know what you should try, this thing called vmware, you can run lots of OS's at same time. I never dual boot, cause I just end up booting one or other, I now I know which one, so I deleted the other one
17:52<rickbot>keeps losing its plugins
17:52<Txt-file>rickbot: restart opera
17:52<compaq>lucasvv, you can get a cd for $1, and it takes only a few mins
17:53<rickbot>Txt-file: doesn't work
17:53<compaq>I have a pack of CD's, I think I aughta do a back up maybe
17:53<Txt-file>rickbot: I have this problem if opera is autostarted after boot
17:53<lucasvv>compaq: yes but I don't want it :)
17:53<compaq>lucasvv, I know what you mean, been there
17:53<rickbot>Txt-file: its seems to be a problem with MIME types
17:53<compaq>lucasvv, I wish I could hand you one of mine though. I bought a pack and never even openned it yet since a month
17:54<Txt-file>rickbot: then I don't know
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17:54<compaq>I dont have anything to back, just movies and resumes that don't work
17:54<rickbot>when this happens, i go to the opera menu and look at plugins and it says none
17:54<compaq>rickbot, opera is funny, I go to this one website, and it doesn't show the side menu
17:55<rickbot>there's another memu item that list mime types and it says none
17:55<rickbot>rebooting seems to be the only cure
17:55<compaq>oh actaully thats with konqueror, pitty too cause konqueror looks sweet and mozilla has the old cheap gui in kde
17:55<compaq>mozilla looks better in gnome, but I like kde these days
17:56<rickbot>been using opera for years and never had a problem like this
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17:56<rickbot>had a problem with flash for awhile but the new flash is fixed
17:56<compaq>You know a bug I noticed with my system. If the power goes out, and my computer doesn't do proper shutdown, When I bootup, X is blank, and I have to reboot twice before it works, that a total, count it, three boots
17:56<compaq>triple boot is required
17:57<compaq>I used debian stable
17:57<rickbot>etch here
17:57<streuner>rickbot: hm, and why are you asking here?
17:57<compaq>etch is stavle I guess
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17:57<rickbot>streuner: cuz of the mime thing...
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17:58<rickbot>thought it might be something to do with debian
17:58<streuner>well, opera isnt in Debian
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17:58<compaq>I'm glad Debian is all working out of the box these days, I used to spend so many hours before for just installing
17:58<compaq>hey Streuner, you think you could get me a job?
17:58<compaq>What is your position?
17:58<rickbot>streuner: thx anyway.. thought it was worth a try
17:59<streuner>we support software which is in Debian
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18:00<rickbot>sorry it i offended :/
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18:22<g---->i have some problems with apt-get/aptitude
18:22<g---->when i try to update it says
18:23<g---->E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
18:23<g---->E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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18:23<g---->but no other process is using dpkg
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18:23<Txt-file>g----: sure?
18:23<g---->what could it be?
18:23<g---->Txt-file, sure..
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18:30<Golfgeo>Hi all
18:30<clint6891>hello :)
18:32<Golfgeo>Got another question: I'm reorganizing my disks and am wondering if I can combine two reiserfs partitions into one?
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18:40<Golfgeo>Better asked: Is there a way to merge two reiserfs partitions?
18:42<Nemoder>better off copying all the data elsewhere and deleting and recreating the partition
18:42<Lethalman>Golfgeo, i know partition magic does it
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18:44<ghostlines>does anyone know any rdp brute-forcing tools for linux
18:45<Golfgeo>Nemoder: I know, but I don't have the space anywhere...
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18:45<Golfgeo>Lethalman, That will create partition boudry issues... I however do know that app :-)
18:45<Nemoder>then it probably isn't worth the risk to lose the data
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18:46<Golfgeo>Nemoder: Well, currently I have 8 partitions on one 120 gb disk and would like just two for a change...
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18:50<enouf>time to buy another HDD
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18:51<Golfgeo>lol, poor student here! Just read the resize_reiserfs man and indeed there is a risk... Better start saving those pennies....
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18:52<Golfgeo>Or I could shuffle data around and recreate a few less partitions from the onces I currently have...
18:53<Golfgeo>Did that alrady for 3 other onces... (Into just one)
18:53<Golfgeo>Oke, thanks mates :-)
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18:57<compaq>does linux work easily for pc projectors, cause when/if I get a job for a year at least, I wanna buy one
18:57<allos_nerelin>./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open share d object file: No such file or directory
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18:58<enouf>compaq: you prolly want ##linux and #v4l on for those questions
18:59<compaq>enouf, aight, you never had one?
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18:59<les>allos_nerelin: apt-get install tcl8.5
18:59<enouf>likely not, not sure what you mean by projector though
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19:00<compaq>enouf, huh, like they have at schools, the teach put laptop connect and then the projector shines picture of a screen. Like a movie theatre
19:00<allos_nerelin>les Reading package lists... Done
19:00<allos_nerelin>Building dependency tree... Done
19:00<allos_nerelin>E: Couldn't find package tcl8.5
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19:00<enouf>i haven't been in a school in over 20 years
19:01<les>allos_nerelin: apt-get update
19:01<compaq>been seven for me, what do you do, they have them in businesses too, for giving presentations
19:01<allos_nerelin>in home page
19:01<allos_nerelin>in seach
19:01<allos_nerelin>in serach
19:01<allos_nerelin>Sorry, your search gave no results
19:01<Lethalman>why i don't see any gnome splash screen in debian testing?
19:01<les>allos_nerelin: apt-get update
19:01<compaq>allos_nerelin, you not allowed to do that, you are flooding
19:01<enouf>apt-file, apt-cache search
19:02<enouf>compaq: i've seen projector tvs, if that's what you mean - i think they suck
19:02<Lethalman>oh yes gnome has lost its splash
19:02<allos_nerelin>www:~# apt-cache search tcl8.5 www:~#
19:03<enouf>!tell allos_nerelin -about search
19:03<les>which version of debian are You currently running?
19:03<enouf>allos_nerelin: try apt-cache search ^tcl
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19:03<enouf>likely a lib pkg anyway
19:04<compaq>enouf, lol, what do you mean they suck, haha
19:04<enouf>allos_nerelin: try apt-cache search ^libtcl
19:04<enouf>compaq: meaning, they suck ;-)
19:04<compaq>But you can watch a movie like you are in a movie theatre, huge picture on the wall
19:04<enouf>as in picture quality - but this isn't debian related
19:04<enouf>so let's stop
19:05<compaq>enouf, aight
19:06<blarson>compaq: Desktops the answer is the same as any other vga device.
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19:07<blarson>compaq: for laptops, it depends on the driver for the chipset used if the vga out works. For intel chipsets, it's usually fine.
19:07<blarson>xrandr is the command used to select displays.
19:07<enouf>blarson: please /join -offtopic
19:08<enouf>he's not talking about xrandr, afaict
19:08<compaq>blarson, yeah, i never tried that before on linux
19:09<enouf>allos_nerelin: not nice to post in many channels simultaneously
19:10<enouf>actually - i don't give a crap - about movies/projectors, On/Off topic, nor simultaneous posting - es no my yob
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19:22<ja>Does anyone know how I would go about getting my laptop to recognize the RAM I put into it?
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19:23<compaq>wow, that is wierd
19:23<compaq>ja, if you computer boots, it should be fine
19:23<compaq>wait, if you have more than 2gigs, you need 64bit cpu
19:23<ja>compaq: It boots, but I think it's the 64MB onboard.
19:24<ja>I put 256 in, and I don't think it's recognized.
19:24<mano>guys, i have 2gb ram... do i need a swap partition? if i disable it will applications start faster?
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19:24<compaq>ja, no it is, apt-get install lshw, and then do lshw, and you will see 328 or whatever mb
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19:25<Txt-file>mano: ists better to have swap ... I have actually 4GB RAM and a swap with 1GB
19:26<kop>What can I use to mail an attachement from the command line?
19:26<mano>kop, sendmail
19:26<compaq>mano, if you have 2gig ram, I doubt your swap is even being used, how man apps do you have open, use the system monitor utility, I will guarantee it will show swap at 0
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19:27<kop>mano : And then what would I use from the command line to generate mime formatted text to feed to sendmail?
19:27<compaq>kop, can I ask why you wanna do that out of curiosity
19:27<mano>compaq, thats why i ask... i dont even use swap....
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19:27<mano>kop, im not sure ive never used that... but sendmail its what ur looking for
19:27<compaq>mano, get ridding of it isn't gonna make a difference in speed, and if it was being used, then you need it, and getting rid of it is just gonna slow things down
19:28<kop>compaq : It comes up in various scripts. Last time I wanted to send a photo to a whole bunch of people and didn't want to bother with bcc from my mail client.
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19:28<kop>mano : Nope. Sendmail will send, but not construct the message. I need to be able to construct the message. metasend works, but is kludgy.
19:28<mano>compaq, k... my question is because ive seen some eeepcs running and i dont know why they run faster than my intel centrino duo...
19:29<compaq>but if you need the harddrive space, then maybe I see
19:29<compaq>kop, cool
19:29<compaq>kop, did you ever try emacs, I bet they could do it
19:29<compaq>mano, you are kidding, what was installed on each
19:29<kop>compaq : Emacs can do everything, but would be wierd to script from the command line. And awfully heavy.
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19:30<mano>compaq, mmm regular apps...
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19:32<compaq>mano, os's?
19:32<mano>compaq, ubuntu
19:32<compaq>mano, both
19:33<mano>im using ubuntu and asus were too
19:33<compaq>kop, I saw from 'apt-cache search mail' symba
19:33<compaq>mano, ok ok, what are the specs of each machine
19:33<compaq>eeepc has harddrive problem, it is so small
19:34<compaq>solid state harddrive
19:34<kop>compaq : Not in etch, at least not in non-free.
19:34<compaq>which is cool
19:34<mano>well... 80 gb for desktop usage its ok i think...
19:35<compaq>mano, yeah right, I saw them, they had 5gig
19:35<enouf>64GB SSD ~220$ USD
19:35<mano>plus a full installation of linux for desktop usage its only 3.2 gb
19:35<compaq>80gig must have been the expensive one
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19:36<mano>they are growing :)
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19:36<compaq>I have a virus or something, my internet or so slow
19:36<compaq>maybe it the extra ram card I put it, its old, and maybe its cheap
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19:38<compaq>you think, it is only with mozilla, not with irc
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19:39<compaq>man...I have to go to the store and buy some more water, the mason did something to my tap water, and they got to my bottle of water I had here, so I have to go buy more. Food is such a major expense in this mason pig country
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19:45<Dewente>flash for firefox 3 ....
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19:46<Dewente>flash for firefox 3
19:47<Dewente>any idea ?
19:47<Jflesch>I think you should be a little bit more specific
19:47<Txt-file>Dewente: swfdec
19:48<Dewente>common problem.. howto for install flash player to firefox 3
19:49<Jflesch>Dewente: hm, I would say : go on a website using flash like youtube, firefox/iceweasel should display an option to automatically install flash (the version from Adobe)
19:49<Dewente>sound too easy brother
19:49<Jflesch>(if you go on youtube, you may have to further than the front page)
19:49<Dewente>i did that
19:50<Jflesch>didn't work ?
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19:50<Dewente>i got 64 bit 7.10 ubuntu
19:51<Jflesch>Dewente: hmm, I'm not sure if the Adobe flash player has already been ported to 64bits machines ?
19:51<Dewente>they haven't
19:52<Jflesch>ok, then good luck
19:52<amphi>Dewente: for youtube, you can use the youtube script
19:52<Jflesch>I had an amd64
19:52<Jflesch>and a 64bits ubuntu, and I remember it was a pain
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19:52<Dewente>the same stuff is with java
19:52<dpkg>somebody said swfdec was another free flash implementation which can play youtube videos and integrates with GNOME
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19:52<stevecotton>If we're talking about Ubuntu, I'd expect Adobe Flash to be in the distro (if Adobe has ported it)
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19:54<Dewente>ok no one has had the same experience ... ok
19:54<Dewente>i have other question
19:54<Jflesch>stevecotton: last time I tried it hasn't been ported, but with some weird netscape wrapper, I was able to make it work
19:54<deniz>i added my hard drives to /etc/pmount.allow and did a quick restart and my drives still can't be mounted (in lenny)...what am I doing wrong?
19:54<Dewente>can i have a command line that show me every packet i've already installed in my pc
19:55<Dewente>yes it is package
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19:55<Jflesch>deniz: removable hard drive or fixed hard drive ?
19:56<Dewente>i want to remove some package from my hard driver
19:56<erKURITA>dpkg --list should show you
19:56<dpkg>erKURITA: wish i knew
19:56<erKURITA>yeah dpkg , whatev
19:56<Jflesch>Dewente: aptitude
19:56<Jflesch>Dewente: without any argument
19:56<deniz>Jflesch, i didn't phrase it right; partitions /dev/hda1 to /dev/hda6
19:57<Jflesch>deniz: so IDE drives ? hm, I would modify /etc/fstab if I were you
19:57<Dewente>dpkg ? that'it ?
19:57<dpkg>Dewente: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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19:58<stevecotton>dpkg package managemer
19:58<dpkg>stevecotton: I give up, what is it?
19:58<stevecotton>dpkg package manager
19:58<dpkg>You can use several package managers in Debian. From the console, aptitude and apt-get are popular tools. In X, synaptic seems to be popular. Whatever you use, be consistent and try to avoid mixing package managers. dpkg, which is not a package manager, gets told what to install/remove/etc by the package manager. See also <aptitude> <apt-get> <dselect> <synaptic>
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20:00<Ryan52>hrm. your not supposed to mix them? why?
20:00<Dewente>: ~(
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20:01<deniz>Jflesch, i tried adding to fstab and it dint work, ill make a real restart and then see if that helps if not ill be bak
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20:02<stevecotton>Ryan52: They all use dpkg as the basic package manager, but some store state on top. Aptitude (for example) remembers which packages you asked for, and which were installed automatically for dependencies.
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20:03<Ryan52>apt-get remembers that too. do they store it in separate databases?
20:04<Ryan52>I guess I can figure that out myself :P. *goes to make fake packages to test with*
20:04<stevecotton>I'm not sure - it might be stored at the apt layer (which apt-get and aptitude are on top of). Please tell me when you find out.
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20:05<Ryan52>will do.
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20:09<s3a>Jflesch, i was user deniz b4 and i restarted my comp and it still can't see the drives, ill pastebin wat i did in pmount.allow then if thats not good tell me wat to do in fstab, k?
20:09<compaq>my net is slow
20:10<s3a>compaq, i dont have any help to offer but if it's wireless change your password, it could have been brocken into?
20:10<Jflesch>s3a: I've never played with pmount.allow
20:10<Jflesch>s3a: but I can help you with fstab if you want
20:11<Jflesch>(but not too long because I'm at work right now)
20:11<s3a>Jflesch, would it make my hard drive partitions work in the end?
20:11<compaq>yeah looks like there is surveilence or something, cause its with both mozilla and konqueror
20:11<Jflesch>"it should"
20:11<s3a>Jflesch, LOL OMG y is every1 at work when they help me?
20:11<Jflesch>s3a: btw, have you formatted each partition ? </stupid question>
20:11<s3a>Jflesch, obviously lol
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20:14<Ryan52>stevecotton: they do use the same. is my proof.
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20:15<s3a>Jflesch, r u waiting for me to pastebin you pmout.allow? im asking cuz im not doing it since u said u dint no pmount.allow
20:16<stevecotton>thanks Ryan
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20:32<compaq>yeah there is something fishy going on on my computer, the net is so slow
20:32<compaq>irc is fine, just http is slow
20:32<s3a>Ryan52, can you help me gain access to my hard drive partitios? for some reason pmount.allow isn't working
20:33<compaq>I think I got a virus from flash maybe
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20:35<Ryan52>s3a: I have no clue what that is...
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20:35<Jflesch>s3a: no, I was waiting for your fstab :)
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20:36<s3a>Jflesch, o i thot u disappared
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20:36<s3a>Jflesch, lol well my modified one or the way it was b4 i touched it?
20:36<Jflesch>the modified one
20:37<allos_nerelin>www:~/tcl8.5.4# make
20:37<allos_nerelin>make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
20:38<s3a>Jflesch, honestly i dont think i can change fstab lol it looks complicated so ill send u fdisk -l and unmodified fstab, k?
20:39<Ryan52>allos_nerelin: ./configure
20:39<Ryan52>allos_nerelin: then make
20:40<allos_nerelin>www:~/tcl8.5.4# ./configure
20:40<allos_nerelin>-bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
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20:40<Ryan52>allos_nerelin: why aren't you using the debian package?
20:41<allos_nerelin>not found this package on the site!
20:41<allos_nerelin>download of tar.gz
20:41<Ryan52>why not use the *debian* package
20:42<allos_nerelin><Ryan52> why not use the *debian* package
20:42<Ryan52>yes, you want to use the debian package?
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20:42<Ryan52>search for it in aptitude
20:42<Ryan52>or in synaptic
20:44<Jflesch>s3a: modifying fstab is not really hard, just follow the example provided by the lines above to make yours
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20:46<s3a>Jflesch, and
20:46<allos_nerelin>./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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20:48<Jflesch>s3a: , good luck. :)
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20:48<Jflesch>s3a: if you don't feel at ease with fstab, just show me your file once you have modified it
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20:49<Jflesch>(but do it fast because I'm leaving in 20 min and won't be back before at least 2h)
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20:52<s3a>Jflesch, ill go eat then wen im bak ill check it out thx
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21:00*egns pira a dormir, mananoche.
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21:13<allos_nerelin> tcl8.5: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 is to be installed
21:13<allos_nerelin>E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
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21:18<superme>hi everyone. I checked the /etc/inittab to add f7 - f11 as tty. normally, as said howtos and here, x on f7 spend naturally on the last f (here f12). When a rebooted, the keyboard did not answer and i had to comment the f7 line to be able to boot. Now, i can use tty1 - 12, but tty7 = x. I try to put the x on f12 ... some ideas ?
21:18<superme>ex of lines added :
21:18<superme>#7:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty7
21:18<superme>8:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty8
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21:19<deelazy>hello, i have a problem internet is very slow on debian but on windows and ubuntu it work good , the problem is from here /etc/resolv.conf [ ]?
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21:21<clint6891>have you tried to make any changes?
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21:21<deelazy>i can't
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21:21<deelazy>because of the network manager
21:21<clint6891>can you alter dns settings with network manager instead?
21:22<clint6891>that is what is stored in resolv.conf
21:22<deelazy>alter ?
21:22<clint6891>edit, revise, replace
21:22<deelazy>i dunno how to change config of netword manager
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21:25<deelazy>no idea ?
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21:25<clint6891>am i thinking of the right thing? it should have gui somewhere
21:25<clint6891>have a*
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21:26<clint6891>have you looked in your applications menu?
21:26<deelazy>non gui for this application
21:26<clint6891>ok sorry
21:26<clint6891>what does networkmanager return in console?
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21:26<deelazy>can you alter dns settings with network manager instead?
21:27<deelazy>sorry =]
21:27<clint6891>i thought your problem was that you couldn't
21:27<clint6891>but sure, you could try
21:27<deelazy>bash: networkmanager: command not found
21:28<superme>deelazy: reinstall it and check the /etc/network/interfaces
21:29<superme>hi folks. I added f7 - f11 as tty in /etc/inittab. normally, x on f7 spend on the last f (f12). When i rebooted, the keyboard did not answer so i had to # the f7 line to can boot. Now, i can use tty1 - 12, but tty7 = x. how to put the x on f12 ?
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21:39<KnuckOne>superme, you use gdm, kdm or stuff ?
21:39<superme>KnuckOne: gdm it is
21:40<KnuckOne>okay. so check gdm config
21:40<KnuckOne>and change the vt value
21:41<superme>vt ? ok
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21:43<superme>KuckOne, i don't find gdm files - should be in the ~.gdm ?
21:44<KnuckOne>nope it's /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
21:44<KnuckOne>check this page and search FirstVT in it :)
21:44<superme>for that cat /etc/gdm said nothing ^
21:45<superme>Okay, thanks. i check the page
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21:50<tami>whee you from?
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21:52<deelazy>hello, my internet connection is very slow with debian can you help me ?
21:53<astronut>deelazy: can you provide more details?
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21:54<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see
21:54<astronut>what kind of internet connection is it, did anything change recently, etc, etc..
21:54<astronut>wait, i'm on freenode?
21:55<astronut>abrotman: you know thebot better than i am, fix that?
21:55<deelazy>When i start downloading html page it take 15seconds before loading
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21:55<astronut>what kind of internet do you have?
21:55<deelazy>on windows or ubuntu it works perfect
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21:55<deelazy>ADSL connection
21:55<abrotman>fix it ?
21:55<abrotman>astronut: what's wron gwith it ?
21:55<astronut>abrotman: we're on oftc not freenode
21:56<astronut>see (2)
21:56<abrotman>oh .. the bot doesn't know the difference
21:56<astronut>stupid bot
21:56<abrotman>2/3 could probalby just go away completely
21:56<deelazy>i just install debian today
21:57*abrotman can't recall if oftc staff have special hostmasks
21:57<astronut>i think so
21:57<astronut>* i think
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21:58<astronut>G*nneff is *
21:59<abrotman>yeah .. but Peter has a different one yet
21:59<astronut>still *.ofct
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22:00<abrotman>astronut: but i don't think only staff have those
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22:01<abrotman>astronut: such as stew
22:01<superme>KnuckOne: is all a world gdm ! i take time to chek and find the good point. Thanks
22:02<KnuckOne>it works ?
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22:03<superme>KnuckOne: not yet, i don't yet what to modifie and how
22:05<ck_>Hello i need help
22:06<ck_>error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
22:06<ck_>i've this error when i want install amsn
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22:08<astronut>ck_: are you installing the debian package?
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22:10<ck_>well, i 've dl the source and after ./configure i've that
22:10<astronut>ck_: there is a prebuilt package for debian
22:10<astronut>"apt-get install amsn"
22:10<abrotman>!b-e ck_
22:10<dpkg>ck_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
22:10<abrotman>uh .. but yeah .. install the package
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22:19<MotoHoss>deelazy: u using PPPOE, like in a bridged connection? or just letting the router do it's thing? I found adjusting the MTU helped especially in the bridged setup...
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22:21<deelazy>MotoHoss ?
22:22<engkeboy>im using debian-etch. and im using software raid and lvm and my system failed to start-up. i have 4hdds with 1tb each. and i found out that my 2nd hdd was dead. so i request for replacement. my problem is when i --detail my md device.. the 2nd hdd was being removed in both md0 and md1. also i've noticed that my 4th hdd was automatically got removed also. how can i insert my new hdd in the place of my dead hdd?
22:24<astronut>deelazy: try running "iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --set-mss 1412
22:24<astronut>" as root
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22:26<superme>KnuckOne: perfect now ! Just, there is a command to login once in all tty in one shot !?
22:28<deelazy>astronut it's not better should i restart networkmanager ?
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22:30<s3a>Jflesch, wen u put the HDs in fstab do u still have to mount using terminal after?
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22:31<astronut>s3a: depends if you set them to auto or not
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22:31<astronut>if you do they'll mount on boot
22:32<astronut>deelazy: i guess... i don't use network manager
22:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>.
22:32<astronut>!network manager
22:32<dpkg>it has been said that network manager is a good way of managing your network settings if you use dhcp or compatible wireless cards. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <wireless connection managers>. Supported/unsupported device list: , #networkmanager @
22:32<s3a>astronut, noauto means it's NOT auto?
22:32<deelazy>astronu: so what i should do ?
22:32<astronut>deelazy: not sure
22:32<astronut>i've never heard of this problem before
22:32<astronut>my internet connections are always fastest in debian
22:33<deelazy>i must switch of network manager ?
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22:34<abrotman>is it a wired connection ?
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22:35<deelazy>yes ethernet
22:35<abrotman>and yu've checked to make sure it's full duplex etc ?
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22:35<deelazy>what is full duplex ?
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22:36<deelazy>The connection take time to be etablished but when it's done the flow is the same
22:37<abrotman>dns problem?
22:37<deelazy>it's possible
22:37<deelazy>but i can't change /etc/resolv
22:37<abrotman>you can't ?
22:37<deelazy>because of network manager
22:38<astronut>sooo obnoxious
22:38*astronut hates NM
22:38<s3a>astronut, can u help me gain access to other partitions (one being a fat32 partition and the other an ext3 partition with ubuntu 8.04 in it)
22:38<astronut>s3a: just once or always?
22:38<astronut>do they appear in /dev?
22:39<s3a>astronut, always
22:39<astronut>s3a: put them in fstab
22:39<astronut>you have to create the mount points
22:39<astronut>then sudo mount -a
22:39<s3a>astronut, would it be the same if i added the partitions to pmount.allow?
22:41<kop>How can I generate an openssl rsa key with no passphrase for use with Apache?
22:42<astronut>not sure what that is
22:42<astronut>kop: man openssl
22:42<astronut>or google
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22:42<kop>openssl genrsa seems insistent that I supply a passphrase of at least 4 characters
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22:43<astronut>is what i used last time i generated one
22:43<deelazy>ok guys thank you for your help but i still have my bug I will be here tomorrow if you have more solutions
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22:43<deelazy>good night good day
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22:43<deelazy>depend of you country =]
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22:47<kop>astronut : Ah, the trick is to remove the pass phrase after generation: openssl rsa -in server.key -out server.pem
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22:52<astronut>kop: there's probably also some kind of force option too
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22:54<kop>astronut : Not that I can tell.
22:54<kop>Debian have any sort of utility for warning of SSL certificate expiration?
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23:03<astronut>kop: your web browser will bitch
23:03<astronut>(i don't know, probably)
23:03<kop>astronut : Seems simple (for some value of simple) to wack a cron job together, but surely somebody's done it.
23:04<astronut>kop: the thing is, the file path isn't steady
23:04<astronut>i'd guess google it
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23:08<s3a>astronut, im still having trouble with accessing my partitions plz help :(
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