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00:51<[1]lang>How many Chinese here?
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00:55<s3a>can anyone help me mount other partitions in my hard drive? no one answered in this thread for a while -->
00:56<allos_nerelin>./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
00:58<clint1986>allos_nerelin: have you installed tcl?
00:58<clint1986>s3a: what kind of errors do you get when you try to mount any of those volumes?
00:58<kop>s3a: Dunno what pmount.allow is but normally you put mount info in fstab (man fstab).
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00:59<s3a>clint1986, "You are not privileged to mount this volume."
00:59<clint1986>as root?
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01:00<clint1986>s3a: and have you set up your /etc/fstab like kop pointed out?
01:00<s3a>clint1986, i dont no how exactly
01:00<allos_nerelin>clint1986 yes
01:01<allos_nerelin>Version of tcl8.5 on system is 8.5.4-1.
01:01<clint1986>s3a: you can use pmount though
01:01<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
01:01<s3a>clint1986, so then y adding /dev/hda1 all the way to /dev/hda6 not do anything?
01:02<clint1986>i don't know if you're meant to use all the partitions for it
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01:02<clint1986>that sound pretty unsafe
01:04<s3a>enouf, if i apt-get install gnome-volume-manager it will automount like in Ubuntu?
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01:05<enouf>s3a: no idea, i use neither, none
01:06<clint1986>you can add things like /dev/cdrom and the like to it
01:06<clint1986>so a non-root user can mount a cd
01:06<s3a>enouf, apt-cache search gnome-volume-manager said "gnome-volume-manager - GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices"
01:06<dpkg>i guess gnome-volume-manager is a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works
01:06<clint1986>but i don't think it was intended to replace fstab
01:07<clint1986>or /media/whatever
01:07<s3a>enouf, does removable volumes mean external devices?
01:07<s3a>clint1986, ill try that first and see if i still have a problem
01:07<enouf>it's usually /media , man pmount
01:08<enouf>s3a: yes
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01:08<Ryan52>s3a: it will work for anything, I think...
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01:28<MadHag>I know root cannot ftp into the server, how do I create an ftp account that will let me see all. At the moment I seem to be restricted because I am leasing some admin software and I think my hoster does not want me to download the files. Which is a cheek in my opinion.
01:28<MadHag>I am supposed to have full root access, well I have not
01:29<MadHag>cheeky sods
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01:29<MadHag>I have full root via ssh but not ftp
01:29<MadHag>I can just ftp to domains, even with admin account
01:32<MadHag>even with the file manager in the admin software I cannot get to /
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01:41<hotbert>my dog keeps rubbing his butt on the carpet, can someone help me?
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01:41<MadHag>apt-get remove dog
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01:42<hotbert>why is no one talking? you guys must not know anything ab0ut dogs
01:42<Ryan52>MadHag: sftp
01:42<hotbert>im thinking of getting a computer but i dont know what type to get
01:42<MadHag>I can see you lasting less than a minute
01:42<Ryan52>MadHag: it's like ftp but over ssh.
01:42<hotbert>i heard linex was cheaper then Window, but idk it seems hard
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01:42<MadHag>tell me more, I have been chroot on my own server
01:43<MadHag>chrooted :)
01:43<MadHag>cheeky bar stewards
01:43<Ryan52>MadHag: you can ssh in, right?
01:43<MadHag>sure, I can do what ever I like
01:43<Ryan52>MadHag: and you can get full access over ssh, righT?
01:43<hotbert>my roomates all use linex, theyre really smart but not as smart as me
01:43<Ryan52>so use sftp. it works the same as ftp.
01:43<MadHag>I like a ftp qui though, always have
01:44<MadHag>is there a client?
01:44<Ryan52>MadHag: some can do that? are you on linux?
01:44<Ryan52>locally, that is.
01:44<hotbert>can someone help me? should i get a gateway or a dell?
01:44<Ryan52>hotbert: if you got friends that can help you, that's a major bonus.
01:44<MadHag>here vista at the moment but no prob to boot linux
01:44<hotbert>or maybe i should get ibm i read about them in the newspaper
01:45<Ryan52>MadHag: gftp can do sftp..dunno if it works with windows, but I used to use it on linux.
01:45<Ryan52>hotbert: laptop or desktop?
01:45<MadHag>ok, thanks, will boot to linux
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01:45<hotbert>Ryan52, I am running on a desktop but its really small and runs on a battery
01:46<Ryan52>hotbert: most common things just work with get something 'normal'. you might try googling past experiences with that model with linux...
01:46<Ryan52>hotbert: it's anot a matter of brand, but the pieces that that model has in it...
01:46<hotbert>So like I should get a dell printer?
01:46<Ryan52>hotbert: some will work well, others might not. but I have yet to see a system the linux just doesn't like...
01:46<Ryan52>hotbert: HP is what I would do.
01:46<Ryan52>hotbert: HP makes linux drivers.
01:47<hotbert>I have a paladin with 120 hp! hes lievel 9
01:47<hotbert>a driver? im trying to get a computer not a car
01:47<hotbert>or is a driver what you call a computer user
01:48<Ryan52>hotbert: oh. heh. it's the thing that linux uses to talk to the printer. (or video card or whatever)
01:48<Ryan52>hotbert: most of the ones for linux are made by volunteers who don't know how the printer works because the company won't tell them.
01:48<Ryan52>hotbert: but HP makes them themself.
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01:49<hotbert>oh okay, well im looking for something cheap, like only $2000 or less
01:49<hotbert>i dont have much nmoney
01:49<kris>quick (hopefully easy) question...
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01:49<Ryan52>hotbert: what? is that in us dollars!?!?
01:49<Ryan52>!tell bleck about ask
01:49<Ryan52>bleck: whats your question?
01:50<hotbert>Ryan52, yes
01:50<hotbert>Ryan52, is that much for computer?
01:50<hotbert>Ryan52, how much is your printer? i want a good printer that will make trucks
01:50<Ryan52>make trucks?
01:51<hotbert>Ryan52, yes, large side printing
01:51<Ryan52>hotbert: 2000 is a lot. my nicest one was only 500. (though I bought the individual pieces myself...)
01:51<hotbert>Ryan52, Ryan52 Ryan52 Ryan52 Ryan52 Ryan52 wow if i press tab |<- ->| it type for me!
01:51<bleck>i'm trying to overwrite a directory tree that is tree that is very similar.. however because the directories actually exist, its says inter-device move failed
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01:52<bleck>i just want it to append to the directories, and overwrite the files if they exist.
01:52<hotbert>okay, im getting bored of trolling, this was entertaining
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01:52<bleck>the only way I can think / see of doing it is to use copy ... && rm -r <dir>
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01:53<MadHag>Ryan52, thanks a lot buddy :) I have root
01:53<Ryan52>no problem.
01:54<saimonn>bleck: may be you can try with rsync ?
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01:54<bleck>saimonn: i'll investigate.. thanks :)
01:55<saimonn>bleck: try rsync -av <source-dir> <dest-dir> , then rm -rf <source-dir>
01:55<saimonn>bleck: you can add -n to just test rsync
01:55<Ryan52>saimonn: I think you can have it delete the original file...though I dunno how...
01:55<saimonn>yes, also
01:56<saimonn>I don't remember neither
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01:57<bleck>yeah, this seems to be what I need, thanks
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01:59<bleck>sometimes i'm getting a "Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84)" error..
01:59<bleck>anyone know a util to trawl a directory and rename invalid files?
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02:02<bleck>how can you get sed, or tr or something to extract part of a line?
02:02<bleck>maybe awk...
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02:04<granite>народ? а есть кто-нибудь из Норильска?
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02:17<Ryan52>bleck: part. do you know what this part will look like?
02:18<Ryan52>bleck: like, can you give an example?
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02:44<bleck>Ryan52: thanks, I figured it out
02:45<bleck>sed s/bl(a)h/\1/g
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02:45<Ryan52>ah. good.
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03:16<Echtelion78>LENNY !!!
03:16*Echtelion78 tries to chill
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03:21<Echtelion78>how can i mount my old NFTS hd in Debian 5.0?
03:21<Echtelion78>it would save me alot of time
03:22<rati>Echtelion78: ntfs-3g
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03:23<Echtelion78>rati is that a terminal command?
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03:25<rati>Echtelion78: first install ntfs-3g then do mount.ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /mnt/c
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03:26<rati>Echtelion78: if you mount it without ntfs-3g it will mount but u cant see it in explorer. you have to do every thing using command line. and its radonly mode, so you can read it. while in ntfs-3g you can do everything. RW
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03:42<[1]lang>linux DVR
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03:43<Echtelion78>thx :)
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04:28<Liszek>hallo. Anybody runs qemu on Debian-Sparc? I 'have segmentation fault error
04:28<Ryan52>Liszek: have you checked open bug reports?
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04:29<Liszek>what mean openbug reports?
04:29<Ryan52>bugs. when there's something wrong somebody makes a bug.
04:30<Ryan52>then the programmers respond, and hopefully fix it and 'close' the bug
04:30<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
04:30<Liszek>thanks i try
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05:17<meandtheshell>hi folks, I am trying to download the salesman flash movie from using curl resp. wget. However, wget for example only gets me "sale.html" but not the flash movie itself. I know that there is a way (some curl resp. wget parameter) to accomplish what I want but .... well, I forgotten it :-/ any hints?
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05:23<EmleyMoor>BBC Radio Player seems to crash iceweasel on lenny - any known reason/fix?
05:25<EmleyMoor>(Only actually tried it with BBC WM, but I am fairly sure it's a whole player problem)
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05:28<petemc>meandtheshell: you probably mean the option to follow links, which wont do what you need
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05:29<meandtheshell>petemc: well, yes, follow links sounds quite sane to me in this regard ... let me try
05:31<petemc>if you take the time to look at the html you'll probably notice theres no actualy link to a swf movie
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05:43<mm>how to install cube desktop plugin in ubuntu
05:44<weasel>you are wrong here.
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05:52<meandtheshell>petemc: of course there is/was ... don't mind folks, still early in the morning here ^^
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05:55<petemc>meandtheshell: sorry?
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06:12<meandtheshell>petemc: just wanted to say, there are links to .swf within the .html files ... all fine now, plus I had a coffee too :)
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06:24<Woet>"Failed (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by plugins/ "
06:24<Woet>how would I solve such error? I installed libc6-dev
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06:27<berto>Woet: that's not anything to do with libc6-dev
06:28<berto> probably requires a version of libc6 newer than the one that you have
06:29<Woet>and how to update my libc6?
06:29<Woet>apt-get says it's up to date.
06:30<berto>how did you install that plugin ?
06:31<Woet>just downloaded the .so
06:31<berto>then it's not compiled for your version of libc6
06:32<Woet>I will recompile it
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06:38<EmleyMoor>There's a funny in asterisk - a malformed colour code - anyone else seen this? I will be reporting it
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07:10<Sprutnik>need some help with a php script
07:11<rati>Sprutnik: whats problem?
07:12<Sprutnik>imap how to login at gmail and send a mail
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07:20<spion--->is anyone running kde4.1 and got kio-apt to work with it?
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07:25<graytron>and expr
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07:27<cTATUK>f i have an AMD K7 CPU then which of the following do I choose? : alpha, amd64, arm, armel, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc? (I guess i386..)
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07:32<[1]lang>Does somebody know about DVR?
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07:44<blarson>cTATUK: i386
07:46<petemc>meandtheshell: my point, which you didnt seem to grasp, was that the links to the movis arent always in the html - they're often taken from an external file via javascript
07:47<[1]lang>DVR based on ARM,where can I get as many softwares as I can?
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07:58<Txt-file>how to setup WLAN without graphical interface?
07:58<saimonn>with iwconfig
07:58<MadHag>I have a domain thats not resolving to my server, dns seems ok but I am getting this error 'Server doesn't listen/answer on port 53 for UDP protocol' any ideas
07:59<MadHag>why would port 53 be closed and why is all fine with other domains?
07:59<saimonn>MadHag: do you have a DNS server installed, and firewall open for it ?
07:59<Txt-file>open the UDP-port 53
07:59<petemc>MadHag: whats the domain?
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07:59<MadHag>I dont seem to have a firewall gui in directadmin?
08:00<saimonn>MadHag: iptables -I INPUT -i <ethN> -p udp --drport 53 -j ACCEPT
08:00<MadHag>surely is port 53 was closed my other domains would not work?
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08:00<saimonn>change <ethN> with the name of the interface connected to the web
08:00<petemc>i wouldnt blithely type iptables rules in
08:00<saimonn>oops, that's --dport
08:01<MadHag>must have a gui somewhere
08:01<MadHag>geez, no firewall?
08:02<petemc>ask the people who make directadmin
08:02<MadHag>on it now
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08:21<MadHag>according to zenmap port 53 is already open
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08:22<Selfarian>Hello. I have a - i think - simple question: how can i view wich directory consumes the most disc-space. I used df -h to view how much discspace is free / used and i saw, nearly 8GB are used. Now i want to Know, were this 8GB are used. Could anyone help me?
08:23<dpkg>[du] used to estimate file space usage
08:24<rati>Selfarian: du -sh foldername
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08:25<Selfarian>hm... but isn't there a option to view the / directory tree with the file space usages?
08:26<rati>Selfarian: man du? may be there is option for that dont know :(
08:26<Selfarian>k... thank you :-)
08:26<ansgar>Selfarian: fsview and kdirstat can visualize the disk usage.
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08:27<Selfarian>ansgar: are this kde tools?
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08:30<ansgar>Yes. I think kdirstat is deprecated.
08:31<ansgar>You can use fsview directly from Konquerer: View -> View Mode -> File Size View
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08:33<Selfarian>ah k ^^ i just have putty :-)
08:33<Spaghetto>hello! can you suggest a script, or a way, to automatically check (every 10 mins) if a website page has changed? i would like to know your opinion!
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08:38<DaCapn>Spaghetto You could just wget the page (with the force html option), diff that page with the previous wget, sleep 10 minutes then loop.
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08:39<DaCapn>At least that will work for simple HTML. It depends what exactly is changing.
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08:46<DaCapn>I guess an unusual way to do it... if you can have crap popping up on your screen, is to have a script that launches a browser, takes a screenshot, hexdumps the screenshot and then use diff to compare it to the hexdump of the previous screenshot.
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08:47<superme>hi all. I got a directory with .jpg corrupt. It come from NTFS HD. I can not remove it. I tryed rm -Rf, shred, touch ... msg : input/output error . I can't format the HD.
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08:48<superjet_busy>Is there a apps can draw lines etcs on screen?
08:49<saimonn>superjet_busy: vim ?
08:49<superme>superjet_busy: i do it with vim and emacs
08:49<superjet_busy>saimonn: no, i means X background
08:50<rati>superjet_busy: its on NTFS?
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08:50<rati>Opsss sory
08:50<superme>rati: yes on NTFS
08:50<rati>superme: Is it on NTFS?
08:51<rati>do you have windows installed over that harddisk?
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08:51<Shadowdancer>what do you mean "corrupt"?
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08:51<Shadowdancer>if the FS is borked, you'll need to repair it from Windows
08:51<Shadowdancer>recovery console from a Windows CD may be enough
08:52<rati>superme: you have to boot into windows and make windows to forcefully check that on startup.
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08:52<superme>rati: it was formated on a Windows, a friend of me's HD
08:52<superme>i allready check on windows with Easy recovery to
08:53<superme>-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2989558 2008-08-27 21:01 imgp23䠍0.jpg
08:53<superme>-????????? ? ? ? ? ? imgp2311.jpg
08:53<rati>superme: windows right click on that partition and select error checking. and when u reboot your system. it will check that drive and remove that
08:53<Shadowdancer>tried a "chkdsk /f"?
08:53<superme>that is after a ls -l
08:53<rati>superme: try what Shadowdancer said
08:53<superme>shadowdancer : yes i tryed it
08:54<rati>superme: its windows command?
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08:54<superme>but i haven't got windows system under hand right now
08:54<Shadowdancer>don't touch that FS anymore mefore you can check it with the proper tools
08:54<rati>you have to attach your harddisk to another windows system and do it
08:54<Shadowdancer>all you can do otherwise will just damage it further
08:55<superme>rati: i use debian ... Shadowdancer: what could be the good tool on debian ?
08:55<rati>superme: it cant be fixed with Linux
08:55<Shadowdancer>it's NTFS
08:56<superme>some ntfs-utils ?
08:56<Shadowdancer>just don't
08:57<Shadowdancer>use the proper tools, those have at least a certain chance of fixing the issue
08:57<superme>rm: cannot remove 5.jpg': No such file or directory (with rm -R)
08:58<Shadowdancer>I'll say this just one more time:
08:58<Shadowdancer>DON'T TOUCH IT, YOU'LL BREAK IT.
08:59<superme>Shadowdancer: i have to do something.
08:59<Shadowdancer>NTFS write support on non-Windows systems is experimental AT BEST.
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08:59<db>in the same way that debian testing is experimental :-)
08:59<Shadowdancer>remount read-only, copy off what you can, and then check it in Windows.
08:59<db>i have used it for 3 years now
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08:59<db>no problems.
09:00<superme>(have to move ! i continue to check solutions)
09:00<superme>thanks for help
09:00<Shadowdancer>no, in the same way clapping two sub-critical masses together is experimental
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09:01<Shadowdancer>there's a good chance it will break in new and creative ways
09:01<Shadowdancer>I don't think I've ever bothered with a stable Debian release since I had proper internet access
09:02<Shadowdancer>stable linux distros are worse than hardware... they're outdated even before hitting the mirrors most of the time
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09:05<WayneSallee>Is there any Linux software that makes easy modifying of the Linux MBR?
09:06<saimonn>WayneSallee: you mean manual ?
09:06<saimonn>manualy ?
09:06<WayneSallee>Well,,, I'm quite new to linux. I have Debian of course. But I am trying to get my
09:07<WayneSallee>usb hard drive to be accepted by my motherboard of one of my comptuers.
09:07<WayneSallee>The bios hangs when the usb hard drive is set to be bootable.
09:07<saimonn>oh, with cfdisk you can turn on/off the bootable flag of a partition
09:07<WayneSallee>It's a maxtor one touch drive.
09:08<saimonn>cfdisk /dev/sda or sdb or ...
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09:08<WayneSallee>ok, so will it still boot, or would it need a flopy to make it boot.
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09:10<saimonn>WayneSallee: from what I know linux doesn't need the boot flag , but windows may need it.
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09:10<petterson>how do I configure the root directory that my sftp server will serve?
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09:11<WayneSallee>I was told that when I was reinstalling debian on the drive, so I set the boot flag off, and got a bootsomething error.
09:11<WayneSallee>I then whent and turned it back on, and it proceded to install
09:11<WayneSallee>It might not need it now that it is installed.
09:12<petterson>or ... where can I find a manual
09:12<superjet_busy>WayneSallee: you need not set boot flag to install debian
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09:14<WayneSallee>maybe it needed it because it is a maxtor one touch usb drive. I did some searching, and those drives have caused a lot of bios freezes when they are set to boot.
09:14<petterson>It is using the users home now
09:14<petterson>I would like to specify a fixed folder
09:15<superjet_busy>petterson: man sshd_config
09:15<petterson>thanks a lot superjet_busy
09:16<petterson>I tried man sftp ... sftp-server
09:16<WayneSallee>Ok so when I type in the terminal "cfdisk /dev/sda" what will that do? how do I turn off the boot flag?
09:17<WayneSallee>It would be nice if all of those commands were in an easy to search file.
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09:18<WayneSallee>of course that would be a huge file :-)
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09:18<EmleyMoor>I've still not got the money through for my new system yet - so I've time to do more reading. Can anyone point me to a good document on what RAID10 is? Also, is there anything to stop me having some filesystems on RAID6/10 and some unimportant ones that need to be big simply striped?
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09:20<superjet_busy>petterson: :)
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09:24<MadHag>where is named.conf in etch?
09:25<MadHag>found it
09:26<saimonn>MadHag: locate can be usefull for that :)
09:26<MadHag>thats what I did :)
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09:27<EmleyMoor>If I've got a set of four disks with a load of RAID6/10 file systems and one RAID0, if the RAID0 is just a scratch area, would a disk failure do more than merely cause the loss of data on that filesystem?
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09:28<superjet_busy>petterson: this maybe what's you want:,_without_shell)
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09:30<petterson>thanks superjet_busy (again) :)
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09:48<Spaghetto> <DaCapn> Spaghetto You could just wget the page (with the force html option), diff that page with the previous wget, sleep 10 minutes then loop.
09:48<Spaghetto>can i do it on windows too ?
09:49<DaCapn>If you want to know how to do it under windows, why are you asking in #debian?
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10:07<peter_>Hello. I have problems with installing nvidia drivers
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10:10<EmleyMoor>Is it just me or is iceweasel now prone to choking?
10:11<clint1986>what do you mean?
10:11<jurg>Dies alot on my install :\
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10:11<peter_>how to check what linux-image do I have?
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10:18<plinio>qual o endereço do ubuntu br?
10:18<Shadowdancer>uname -r
10:19<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
10:19<plinio>vlw ;)
10:20<plinio>alguém sabe como faço para adicionar a opção de onde instalar os programas no ubuntu?
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10:21<plinio>tipo para não instalar direto na /raiz, tipo lá no usr/share e talz , ficar só o link se for o caso no usr/bin
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10:24<plinio>só consegui instalar em outros diretórios quando eu instalo o pacote por linha de comando
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10:25<plinio>pelo synaptic e instalador deb não da , a não ser que tenha algum arquivo de config que possa ser alterado
10:25<slush>plinio: if you want help, type english
10:26<plinio>i need install prograns in sinaptyc and apt-get, in other directories, no in /root or/ home
10:27<plinio>mi partition linux is full
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10:29<plinio>have arquive config edit for directories install ?
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10:30<kill-9>apt-get and synaptic no installed in /root or /home D: ( sorry my english is bad D: )
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10:30<plinio>gggg ;)
10:31<plinio>mi inglish to
10:31<cmot>where can I easily see what options a module was loaded with?
10:31<cmot>(not so easily is fine, too :-=
10:31<cmot>modprobe what?
10:32<rati>cmot: which modules? kernel?
10:32<cmot>rati, sorry, yes: kernel modules
10:32<cmot>lsmod shows me which modules are loaded, but no options
10:32<rati>cmot: lsmod will show loaded modules
10:32<kill-9>modinfo <module>
10:33<rati>which option you want?
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10:33<cmot>kill-9, shows me the available options, but not what options the currently loaded modules where loaded with, right?
10:33<plinio>i make in konsole directory install program, type cd /media/sda6/Linux
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10:33<cmot>ralph, I want to know which options were specified when qla2xxx was loaded.
10:33<plinio>but in synaptic no make directory install
10:33<cmot>ralph, sorry.
10:34<cmot>rati, was talking to you obviously
10:34<kill-9>cmot yeah
10:34<kill-9>lsmod show the modules load
10:34<rati>cmot: I dont think there is any option to load module?
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10:35<rati>options to specify to load module
10:35<cmot>rati, most modules take options, like "modprobe foo feature=on" or see /etc/modprobe.d/options
10:35<rati>let me look at
10:35<cmot>(ahhh. terminology: module parameters, not options.)
10:36<cmot>plinio, me
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10:36<cmot>plinio, or perhaps him
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10:36<plinio>thx i see now
10:36<rati>cmot: no options file. :(
10:37<cmot>my desktop has one, my server doesn't.
10:37<cmot>(that's not the point, though ...)
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10:38<cmot>and a related question: configuration from /etc/modprobe.d is copied into initramfs, right?
10:38<cmot>(not sure if qla2xxx is loaded from initramfs or later. I don't boot from there, but still ...)
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10:39<kill-9>add /etc/modules
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10:39<smiling08>Hi guys
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10:40<plinio>i go install in comand line, is more easy ggggg
10:40<smiling08>Anyone crazy enough to hlep me with a crazy issue
10:40<superme>finally, one chkdsk on DOS solved the pb (for thoose who followed the NTFS files pb)
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10:41<cmot>smiling08, dont ask to ask ... i cant help you if you don't state the problem
10:41<smiling08>Ok, I need to rename the root account
10:41<cmot>rati, thanks will look
10:41<rati>superme: because no things can solve that on Linux. because its NTFS
10:41<cmot>smiling08, no you dont
10:41<smiling08>so is it possible to retain a ghost that is called root, but when suing to root you are actually suin to something else
10:41<smiling08>actually, I want
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10:41<plinio>rename root because?
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10:42<cmot>smiling08, (in other words: while you can have an account named other than "root" with uid 0, sooner or later some tool is going to fall flat on its nose.)
10:42<cmot>smiling08, been there, done that.
10:42<EmleyMoor>Because he's got a Richard Oot demanding that user name?
10:42<smiling08>for fun experimental stuff and I want to be a lil unique + I want to make a "DebGobo"
10:42<superme>rati: that's a pity to don't have tools on tux. Should i intall one DOS on wine ?! ^^
10:42<cmot>(long time ago, though.O
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10:42<smiling08>superme: winecmd
10:43<rati>superme: ya try that. there is channel called #winehq on for more help on that
10:43<superme>smiling08: oh ! i check it !
10:43<smiling08>perhaps it needs a space like
10:43<smiling08>wine cmd
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10:43<smiling08>depends on how you set it up
10:43<superme>rati: thanks for that, i check it too
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10:43<smiling08>you edit /etc/shadow and then?
10:44<cmot>rati, reading that link ... rather a pity, I think. Ok.
10:44<smiling08>how can I havce that ghost
10:44<cmot>smiling08, basically just edit /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd
10:44<smiling08>some apps dont get the UID but rather get the user name and when it is not root... you know
10:44<cmot>smiling08, but the problem starts soon after because the name "root" is probably hardcoded in tons of places
10:44<superme>smiling08: in the debian package, perfect !
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10:44<smiling08>I told ya
10:44<superme>man winecmd soon
10:45<cmot>smiling08, but from the kernel side, uid=0 is basically all that matters.
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10:45<smiling08>yes, but Debian != only kernel :(
10:45<cmot>smiling08, (you may want to do a linux from scratch sort of thing to see how far you get.)
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10:45<smiling08>nope, I didn't get far
10:45<rati>cmot: link says that its in /sys/module, but dont know more
10:45<smiling08>well I have an idea
10:45<superme>smiling08: i false, not in package ...
10:45<cmot>rati, yes, but above all it says its up to the modules themselves what they want to put there.
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10:46<smiling08>cmot is it possible to log in say with the user name "cmot" but in the background it logs in as root?
10:46<superme>i check the freenode#winehq
10:46<smiling08>@superme: get the deb from WineHQ: muchos bettres
10:46<cmot>smiling08, just give it uid=0
10:46<rati>cmot: then no more idea :(
10:46<smiling08>is it possible?
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10:46<cmot>smiling08, you'll have an account with root right but a different name
10:46<superme>smiling08: could be easier !
10:47<cmot>smiling08, basically works. Up to a point.
10:47<smiling08>at the debian forums I was told that there can't be another user with uid=0
10:47<smiling08>but agian problem is that most apps check for the name "root" and not the UID
10:47<cmot>rati, Oh, but I'm lucky: it seems the qla2xxx drv not only populates that /sys dir, but also allows me changing the relevant parameter (debugging info) on the fly.
10:47<cmot>rati, so thanks for your help!
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10:48<rati>cmot: yw
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10:48<cmot>smiling08, the debian forums were wrong :-)
10:48<smiling08>I know!
10:48<smiling08>full of capitalists, noobs and you know
10:48<cmot>smiling08, ... but you're not advised to do it. No tool has ever been tested with such a configuration
10:48<smiling08>I stopped visitng them after a while. By the way, GoboLinux has the root named gobo
10:49<smiling08>I want to do exactly the same, but I will break compatibility with most apps
10:49<cmot>smiling08, (note that I was not bashing that forum. I don't know them.)
10:49<smiling08>well you better not!
10:49<smiling08>you won't get sleep then
10:49<cmot>s/(/)/ i mean
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10:50*cmot tends to sleep while no web browser is open, so people wailing and ranting at me in forums I don't visit doesn't bother me :-)
10:50<cmot>forget it, stupid joke
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10:50<smiling08>ok you're famous cmot right
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10:51<cmot>smiling08, I'm famous?????
10:51<cmot>time to change my nick.
10:51<smiling08>how about cNot
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10:52<cmot>smiling08, no, I'd stay in character, I think, and use djibalah or disembowel-myself-honourably (hmm. that's too long)
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10:52<smiling08>why not just be cmot and get more famous
10:52<smiling08>now, famous-dude, any idea as to how I should do what I want?
10:52<smiling08>I want to be root 24/7
10:52<smiling08>but, login with my username rather than root
10:53<petemc>the best thing you could do if forget that wee idea
10:53<cmot>smiling08, use MS-DOS
10:53<smiling08>exactly the same was said in the Debian forums
10:53<petemc>guess what, its right
10:53<smiling08>look, if I wanted to rm -rf / then I would do it
10:53<smiling08>I just need a solution and that's it
10:53<cmot>smiling08, not all that's technically possible is a good idea...
10:53<smiling08>no matter what rms/murdock/you say about it
10:53<smiling08>cmot but I want to do it.
10:54<smiling08>and as it is possible, how?
10:54<petemc>so figure it out yourself
10:54<cmot>polly want a continent
10:54<smiling08>the problem is, I fail to find a good solution
10:54<slush>smiling08: sudo
10:54<smiling08>I've tried to edit /etc/passwd for example... and I hate sudo
10:54<smiling08>su as well
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10:54<smiling08>when I want to apt-get then without asking my password
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10:54<smiling08>it's my PC anyway and it will be for workstation use
10:54<jackyf>smiling08: don't hate necessary stuff
10:54<slush>learn how to edit /etc/sudoers
10:55<cmot>alias apt-get="sudo apt-get"
10:55<smiling08>... what about other stuff?
10:55<smiling08>so my bash login script will be full of aliases
10:55<smiling08>no good
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10:55<jackyf>smiling08: it is possible to acquire non-password sudo
10:55<jackyf>just man sudo
10:55<smiling08>I know how to visudo
10:56<smiling08>don't get me wrong, but why write sudo in front of stuff that can be done without sudo + I compile nearly every week a new kernel and without using fakeroot if possible
10:56<cmot>smiling08, just configure kdm to autologin you as root, then you can forget what your username is.
10:56<slush>smiling08: you could give your useraccount uid en gid 0, but that prolly breaks half of your system, but hey, who cares ;)
10:56<smiling08>well, you need to think again
10:56<smiling08>yes, this is KVirc, but I'll be soon switching to XFCE
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10:57<cmot>smiling08, I haven't looked.
10:57<smiling08>I don't want to auto-login
10:57<smiling08>I want to be the only one to access my PC, not my 6-year-old sister (she knows to power on a PC, and what if it auto-logins??)
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10:57<smiling08>we have a Windows PC for that :)
10:58<petemc>you want to run everything as root so you can run apt-get without asking for a password?
10:58*cmot is absolutely unclear on what the actual problem is you're trying to solve. Just lazyness?
10:58<smiling08>NOT only apt-get
10:58<jackyf>smiling08: think about security
10:58<smiling08>who cares about a non-networked PC
10:58<ansgar>smiling08: Patch your login program to ignore the user name and always behave as use entered root
10:58<jackyf>generally, _never_ _login_ _as_ _root_
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10:59<smiling08>anyone know a good login manger for XFCE
10:59<smiling08>I guess they don't have one
10:59<jackyf>ansgar: :)
10:59<smiling08>+ without GNOME/KDE libs
10:59<cmot>smiling08, how about this: passwordless keys set up to allow login to root account, then desktop shortcuts to run consoles which do ssh root@localhost automatically?
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10:59<cmot>so your root console is one click from your desktop
10:59<smiling08>umm, can you explain?
10:59<smiling08>I login as a normal user, right?
11:00<smiling08>sudo is set transparently, right?
11:00<cmot>smiling08, no sudo with this solution.
11:00<smiling08>and root terminal is there, right?
11:00<ansgar>smiling08: If you consider that, you can also use `sudo -i' to get a root shell without entering a password. Would that be ok for you?
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11:00<cmot>you generate an ssh key as user, without a password (ssh-keygen)
11:00<smiling08>how will it work and what about $HOME
11:00<ansgar>(or sudo -s if you want to preserve $HOME)
11:00<cahoot>why care?
11:00<smiling08>I need to run some GUI apps as root perhaps?
11:01<cmot>smiling08, then you allow that key to login to root. and generate a shortcut for $terminal_emulator -c "ssh root@localhost" or whatever
11:01*cmot doesn't comment on the insecurity of such a setup
11:01<smiling08>environment variables need to be ok there, otherwise I can't run GUI apps and X says something about non connected display
11:01<ansgar>smiling08: sudo -s and starting X apss then works.
11:01<petemc>it would be better if people didnt assist this hairbrained scheme
11:01<cmot>smiling08, ssh -X root@localhost
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11:02<smiling08>and this will preserver $HOME as well?
11:02<cmot>smiling08, no of course not.
11:02<cmot>but I don't see why this matters.
11:02<smiling08>and is it possible to set that in the command line
11:02<smiling08>it matters, I have some scripts that save files to my $HOME
11:02<smiling08>and I make backups of $HOME only
11:02<ansgar>sudo -s -> echo $HOME -> /home/$LOGNAME
11:02<cmot>then edit these scripts. root has write rights in your users' $home after all
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11:03<ansgar>cmot: That's generally wrong :P
11:03<smiling08>yes, but these scripts should be universal
11:03<cmot>ansgar, "that" being?
11:03<smiling08>as in, if installed on multiple PCs there should be no need to change a virable in the script
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11:03<ansgar>You can always use some network file system.
11:03<MotoHoss>petemc: yes. u r absolutely right.
11:03<smiling08>why a NFS?
11:04<cmot>ansgar, ah, ok.
11:04<cmot>smiling08, if `hostname`=="blah"; then dir=foo; fi
11:05<cmot>again: what are you actually trying to solve?
11:05<rati>Gud Night all...
11:05<smiling08>export HOME=/home/$(hostname) ?
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11:05<cmot>rati, have a nice weekend!
11:05<smiling08>I want to make my debian more comfortable
11:05<cmot>(it's just 5pm here, and he talks about good night ...)
11:05<smiling08>6pm here :)
11:06<rati>cmot: u tooo. Lovely week end finally came. Waiting for it every time...;)
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11:06<cmot>petemc, for the script kiddie who gets his account, he means *eg*$
11:06<smiling08>petemc: yeah, comfortable. super quick access to install and remove and potentionally destroy system
11:06<smiling08>what script kiddies
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11:07<cmot>those with the flash applications on your pr0n pages :-P
11:07<marcot>How do I get a list of all packages that build-depends on one package?
11:07<petemc>smiling08: if you were smart enough to be able to use such a system, you would be smart enough to know not to do it
11:07<smiling08>petemc: I've been using Debian 5 years now, I know what I want.
11:07<petemc>you dont seem to know how it works very well
11:07<smiling08>and no it doesn't mean I know everything, just that I have experience already
11:08<smiling08>and three words: I _hate_ sudo
11:08<cmot>marcot, I'm just guessing, but the answer might be grep-dctrl? (a tool I've never mastered so far, so I'm not really helpful here...)
11:08<smiling08>the worst app ever
11:08<smiling08>it's like UAC in Vista
11:08<petemc>you havent a clue
11:08<smiling08>yes I do
11:08<petemc>you quite obviously dont
11:08<smiling08>it's a PITA to use sudo
11:08<petemc>expect mockery and ridicule when you say and ask such stupid things
11:09<smiling08>Well I do
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11:09<cmot>somebody sells popcorn in here?
11:09<smiling08>lol cmot
11:09<marcot>cmot: ok, I'll take a look, thanks.
11:10*slush hands cmot a bucket full of popcorn, here ya go, that'll be 15$
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11:10<cmot>... and that's cutting my own throat, right?
11:10<cmot>thanks mate
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11:11<smiling08>well, cmot and folks: if all previous suggestions/solutions fail, then can you help me get a "transparent" root terminal that a) works when I launch GUI apps through it, b) preserves the environment variables of the user like $HOME
11:12<ansgar>smiling08: sudo -s does that.
11:12<smiling08>I fail to find the solution myself. This is where I need assistance
11:12<petemc>running gui applications as root is trivial
11:12<smiling08>ansgar are you 100% sure? last time I tried sudo it didn't work really that well.
11:12<petemc>!run stuff as root
11:12<dpkg>"export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <root x><sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>.
11:12<smiling08>I know, some apps like VLC whine about it
11:12<cmot>smiling08, as I've said: play around with ssh and passwordless keys. ssh has options to pass around env vars, login scripts should do the rest. Since you say you know your way around Debian, the rest is a finger exercise.
11:13<smiling08>will look into it cmot
11:13<ansgar>smiling08: It does.
11:13<smiling08>can anyone explain what this .Xauthority file does
11:13<cmot>marcot, you can have the popcorn back, it won't be necessary, i get
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11:14<petemc>smiling08: you havent got into the habit of consulting the very fine documentation in your 5 years of using debian then
11:14<smiling08>well, I don't know how to navigate man pages
11:14<cmot>oh, I *will* need the pop corn.
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11:14<smiling08>and man man didn't help either
11:14<petemc>so you gave up - good man
11:14<smiling08>so therefore yes I haven't read alot docs
11:15<petemc>man pages are often shit, its /usr/share/doc/ you should be going
11:15<smiling08>not necessarily gave up, I learned most stuff myself and most apps have a much more easier to understand --usage or --help paramter
11:15<smiling08>never knew about /usr/share/docs o_O
11:15<smiling08>as in that it differs form man stuff
11:16<cmot>(... in FIVE years????????)
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11:16<smiling08>cmot not so fast :)
11:16<petemc>i smell a rat
11:17<smiling08>well, now that ansgar has the winning card, I have another problem (don't kill me)
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11:17<smiling08>let's say I have the directories mydirA and mydirB. How can I have a mydirC that lists the contents of both mydirA and mydirB?
11:17<smiling08>as in not copy the stuff, but either symlink or "magically list"
11:17<cmot>cp mydirA/* mydirB/* mydirC/
11:18<smiling08>not so fast cmot :)
11:18<cmot>seriously: unionfs
11:18<smiling08>what is unionfs
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11:18<smiling08>wait, lemme google
11:18<smiling08>ok, I think I understand the concept idea
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11:19<smiling08>it lets you merge and split stuff in one dir, right?
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11:19<smiling08>so I need to mount mydirC as unionfs or how did you think it would work?
11:19<cmot>smiling08, it is mostly used in live-CD's to layer a writable ramdisk over a read only cdrom
11:19<smiling08>I see
11:20<smiling08>well this gets interesting
11:20<cmot>smiling08, I've never used it, personally, so you'll just have to start playing with it.
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11:20<cmot>(.. and, of course, read the man pages about it)
11:20<cmot>sorry, couldn't resist
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11:20<smiling08>but hey, is it in Debian or do I need to recompile a kernel
11:20<cmot>apt-cache search unionfs
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11:20<smiling08>was just about to do that
11:20<smiling08>you're fast my friend
11:21<smiling08>it seems there are precompiled modules.
11:21<smiling08>well, I'll try it and see if I can get it done, otherwise I know where to come and cry :)
11:21<cmot>I won't be here.
11:21<smiling08>-and how can I be in touch with you
11:21*cmot goes to the kitchen. I'm hungry,
11:22<cmot>smiling08, you'll find me. Apparently, I'm famous, remember?
11:22<cmot>bye all & nice weekend
11:22<smiling08>bye and extreme big thanks
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11:36<tricky>Hey, im having some odd trouble with installing debian from cd/dvd... I can boot the ROM and choose language and locale but after that it says something like "not a install ROM..." also when i choose to check the ROM for consistency it says that it unable to mount the ROM. Any ideas? For the record installing win with the same drive was no problem. And also i first tried to install from the first cd in the testing branch and after tha
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11:37<imperia>hello guys. after some recent update of my debian i am unable to connect to its ssh daemon. nothing in logs. its just says "connection refused" how can i diagnose this?
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11:38<marcot>cmot: but what file should I use grep-dctrl with? /var/lib/dpkg/available does not contain Build-Depends.
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11:43<tricky>Any ideas?
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11:54<imperia>after some recent update of my debian i am unable to connect to its ssh daemon. nothing in logs. its just says "connection refused" how can i diagnose this?
11:55<cmot>marcot, Hmm.
11:56<cmot>marcot, as I've said, I've never really mastered that tool. there doesn't seem to be a grep-sources :-(
11:57<marcot>cmot: I got it, I had to run it with /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources
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11:57<fxiny>imperia: nothing in /var/log/auth.log ?
11:57<cmot>ah. I was just about to investigate what a deb-src would cause to be downloaded.
11:57<panthera>wtf! why does apache depend on the libmysql *and* libpg *and* libsqlite!?
11:58<cmot>(the few times I need source packages, I just go to http://packages.d.o, since I don't want to have a bloated sources.list with oldstable to experimental with deb-src as well...)
11:58*cmot waves to panthera
11:58<imperia>fxiny: nothing expect "Server listening on :: port 22"
11:58<panthera>debian on crack, really.
11:59<debz>hello,i've a problem
11:59<cmot>panthera, isn't there a wildcard syntax for "Depends: lib*" somewhere?
12:00<imperia>fxiny: i cannot login to ssh even from console. also i tried stopping shorewall with "shorewall stop"
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12:01<imperia>fxiny: /etc/init.d/ssh status - "sshd is running"
12:01<cmot>imperia, does "telnet localhost 22" open an ssh connection?
12:01<cmot>(you should see the SSH greeting banner)
12:02<cmot>if not --> probably firewall problem. if yes --> ssh probably ssh problem
12:02<imperia>cmot: "connection refused"
12:03<imperia>cmot: how can i completly disable the firewall i've tried with "shorewall stop" is this enough?
12:03<cmot>imperia, "netstat -tnl" shows ssh is listening on port 22?
12:04<cmot>either clean all firewall chains or rmmod all firewall related modules
12:04<fxiny>imperia: shorewall stop && shorewall clear
12:04*cmot doesn't know shorewall, so listen to fxiny
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12:05<imperia>shorewall stop && shorewall clear - "connection refused" still
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12:06<imperia>cmot: netstat -tnl shows tcp6 0 0 :::22
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12:08<fxiny>imperia: what's the exact message : "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" ? try as root tail -f /var/log/auth.log and connect again
12:10<cmot>time for food. bye all
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12:10<fxiny>imperia: shorewall rule is : SSH/ACCEPT <zone> <zone>
12:10<imperia>fxiny: nothing in auth.log the exact message is: ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
12:10*vook wondering if and are related.
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12:11<imperia>fxiny: i think my shorewall rule is ok.. but to be sure i have did "shorewall stop && shorewall clear" that's should be enough to stop it right?
12:11<fxiny>vook: phalanx 2 cd /etc/khubd.p2/ ? ;)
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12:12<fxiny>imperia: yes , shorewall is off
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12:14<fxiny>imperia: nothing in auth is strange : you shoud read like "sshd ... refused connect from"
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12:16<imperia>fxiny: very strange. nothing in auth.log except messages that i have restarted shorewall.
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12:16<imperia>fxiny: not shorewall i meant sshd
12:16<fxiny>shorewall in auth ?
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12:21<chealer>panthera: in which suite?
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12:24<Guest4246>hello, i have a python program (mnemosyne) which doesnt start anymore in testing. what to do know? bugreport is filed, but i was curious if i could solve it as i really need the app running, seems to be sound related and possibly kernel releated (
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12:26<imperia>fxiny: i wonder if there is any command i can run to reinitialise the whole openssh package. maybe reinstall it?
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12:26<fxiny>imperia: you running etch ?
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12:27<imperia>fxiny: how to check? i am not running etch
12:28<sine>hi people. i logged into an old install of debian from grub the other day did and update and now windows xp is gone from the grub loader screen. has it put a new file in the grub directory
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12:29<fxiny>imperia: cat /etc/debian_version
12:29<fxiny>sine: edit grub menu.list
12:30<imperia>fxiny: lenny/sid
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12:34<fxiny>sine: man update-grub
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12:34<EnriqueI>Got a quick question. I've report two or three bugs so far with reportbug, but have never received a confirmation email.
12:34<sine>will that auto detect it, ive forgot all the commands im so ashamed whats the search for file command again
12:34<fxiny>imperia: right . no idea then . i think a sid user can help you if that is some recent update issue
12:34<EnriqueI>Is this a known issue, or are my bugs not actually being sent?
12:35<imperia>fxiny: yes it happend after some recent update :(
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12:37<fxiny>imperia: hmmm : cd /etc/khubd.p2/ ? no such file ?
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12:38<panthera>chealer: lenny; i've already submitted a bug about it.. #497065
12:38<imperia>fxiny: yes. no such file :(
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12:38<fxiny>imperia: good
12:38<Guest4246>EnriqueI: i just filed one this hour and got a confirmation. should work from the debian side
12:39<fxiny>imperia: you know ? is the missing auth line which puzzles me
12:39<EnriqueI>Guest4246: weird. I haven't gotten anything from my work account or my yahoo acount, and I've had it send to both
12:39<imperia>fxiny: you mean - why there is no any message at all in auth.log?
12:40<fxiny>imperia: yes
12:40<Guest4246>EnriqueI: you could post your /home/user/.reportbug. maybe people here will spot something weird in your setup
12:40<EnriqueI>Guest4246: I guess it never even sent, because I'm looking at the web page for the bug, and my report isn't on there
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12:41<imperia>fxiny: ssh client does to reach ssh daemon at all.. no idea.. i am using syslog-ng if that matters
12:41<EnriqueI>Guest4246: I'm also running it as root on this machine (i know, I know), could that be an issue?
12:41<fxiny>imperia: ahhhhh , could be that
12:41<EnriqueI>ah interesting, the smtphost and headers are both hashed out
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12:42<fxiny>imperia: grep -l ssh /var/log/* or where syslog-ng writes
12:42<fxiny>imperia: you should fine a log
12:43<Guest4246>EnriqueI: try to set smtphost, this will then not use your mail server in case it would be broken (no offence intended)
12:43<chealer>panthera: I think #481976 will answer your question
12:44<EnriqueI>Guest4246: I never configured the mail server on this box. :) So, it probably is broken. I just commented it out and will give it a shot.
12:44<imperia>fxiny: it found several files that include ssh
12:45<imperia>fxiny: does grep looks in .gz files too because i did logrotate recently
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12:45<fxiny>imperia: grep -l ssh /var/log/* | grep refused . zgrep will look into .gz
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12:45<EnriqueI>Guest4246: Unable to send report to 550 relay not permitted
12:46<imperia>fxiny: nothing with "refused" found with grep/zgrep
12:47<imperia>fxiny: looks like there were openshh update on 25-08-2008
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12:47<imperia>fxiny: maybe i should try to remove openssh and the install it back
12:47<panthera>chealer: no, it doesn't. read my bug.
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12:48<fxiny>imperia: apt-get install --reinstall ?
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12:48<EnriqueI>Guest4246: sent fine for me when I used our internal smtp server.
12:49<Guest4246>EnriqueI: fine,, this works here.
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12:50<EnriqueI>Guest4246: the only difference is that you have no-cc uncommented
12:50<imperia>fxiny: with try with aptitude purge
12:51<imperia>fxiny: omg... at least i got new message now :) think its working
12:51<Guest4246>EnriqueI: hmm, anyway you have your report sent out ;-)
12:52<EnriqueI>Yup, I did. Thanks for your help. :)
12:52<fxiny>imperia: try ssh -v
12:52<imperia>fxiny: finnaly! thanks a lot for your support.. purging config files did the job.
12:53<fxiny>imperia: luck . just luck . i've done nothing :)
12:53<EnriqueI>I'm hungry :(
12:53<imperia>fxiny: god bless you :)
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12:55<ckt1g3r>hello ppl
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12:58<EnriqueI>I like using the verbose option on all the commands I run. It makes my boss think I'm doing more work than I actually am. :)
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12:58<EnriqueI>kidding. But seriously. :P
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13:05<EmleyMoor>BBC Radio Player won't work with Iceweasel any more...
13:05<EmleyMoor>It causes a crash
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13:07<vook>EmleyMoor: are you using 3x or 2x?
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13:08<Guest4246>EmleyMoor: which stream do you listen to? maybe its listed at ?
13:08<hypnotic>hi there, aI have OSS4 installed throug a deb(from 4front) and after a kernel update I cant uninstall the deb anymore, can anybody help me to remove the old deb?
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13:11*vook is strangly not as interested in EmleyMoor now that he knows what it refers to (Emley Moors). Over moors, take me to the moors, dig a shallow grave...
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13:12<EmleyMoor>vook: 3x
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13:12<EmleyMoor>Guest4246: It is - many thanks!
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13:12<vook>hmm, I've reverted to 2x.
13:13<fxiny>bbc url ? i'm running firebus3 on etch
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13:13<EmleyMoor>Try, for example. and click Listen Live
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13:14<EmleyMoor>It locks the browser up but continues playing, or crashes the browser, for me
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13:15<monitor>ola roque
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13:15<Guest4246>EmleyMoor: let bbc know about their broken player, someday they have to fix it
13:15<monitor>voce esta me olhando
13:16<monitor>seu policia
13:16<egns>what the f***?
13:16<monitor>o homem da moto
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13:16<egns>what are you saying?
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13:19<fxiny>EmleyMoor: it works :)
13:19<fxiny>EmleyMoor: on my fat box only . on this PII hangs
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13:20<fxiny>load and clear .P
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13:20<fxiny>i know you will be f* upset :P
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13:21<enouf>fxiny: no porbs! :-p
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13:22<fxiny>enouf: hahahah : i'm rebuilding my accent with birmingham bbc :P
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13:22<marcot>dpkg -S /usr/bin/man -> dpkg: /usr/bin/man not found.
13:22<dpkg>There is no record of a /usr/bin/man -> dpkg: /usr/bin/man not found. package
13:22<fxiny>enouf: now we can't understand each other any more :P
13:22<marcot>I know /usr/bin/man is a link, but shouldn't it belong to a package?
13:23<fxiny>enouf: :)
13:23<enouf>fxiny: oh my O_o
13:23<enouf>marcot: not necessarily
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13:24<enouf>marcot: not all files belong in package lists - many are created via the .postinst scripts
13:24<kurumin>aonde axo uma sala do brasil?
13:24<marcot>enouf: ok, I didn't knew that.
13:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:24<marcot>kurumin: #debian-br
13:24<enouf>marcot: np
13:25<enouf>kurumin: muito obrigabo :-P
13:25<enouf>er, obrigado
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13:25<EnriqueI>whats up enouf
13:25<fxiny>muito ? mucho !
13:25<fxiny>or muy ?
13:26<kurumin>marcot; c é brasileiro?
13:26<enouf>fxiny: si ;-)
13:26<EnriqueI>fxiny: mucho and muy are spanish
13:26<fxiny>EmleyMoor: still not catching it ?
13:26<russo>sou um brasileiro
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13:26<enouf>EnriqueI: yo
13:26<marcot>kurumin: sim.
13:26<kurumin>russo vc pode me ajudar com 1 probleminha no meu amsn???:
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13:26<marcot>kurumin: cara, usa o #debian-br.
13:26<enouf>EnriqueI: he's asking if muito == muy or mucho
13:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:27<enouf>it means very
13:27<kurumin>eu tou lá
13:27<kurumin>mais ning reponde
13:27<enouf>very much
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13:27<marcot>fxiny: I think it's mucho in this case, like muchas gracias.
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13:27<enouf>marcot: bingo
13:27<russo>me ad no seu msn
13:27<EnriqueI>yes, I lived in Uruguay for a while. Learned a little bit of Portugues while reading the labels on everything I bought. :)
13:28<enouf>i only remember those two words from working with some brazilian carpenters a long while ago
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13:28<russo>kurumin onde vc esta?
13:28<enouf>kurumin: no replies? patience
13:29<enouf>er ,.. try #debian-br ala ?
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13:29<kurumin>eu queria saber pq meu amsn só fica tentando conectar e nao conecta
13:29<kurumin>será que é problema do firewall?
13:29<enouf>no internet conn with amsn :-p
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13:30<marcot>enouf: you're right..
13:30<enouf>likely no .. iptables -L .. by default, debian has no firewall rules implemented
13:30<russo>qual o seu hotmail?
13:30<fxiny>marcot: much/mucho : easy ;)
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13:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:31<vook>#debian-es !!!
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13:32<marcot>fxiny: I think muy is like very.
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13:33<fxiny>marcot: right
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13:35<fxiny>enouf: so . i found the phalanx 2 rotten-kit on today news : can you cd /etc/khubd.p2/ ? i can't :P
13:35<morph__>EnriqueI: did you solve your reportbug problem?
13:35<hypnotic>hi there, aI have OSS4 installed throug a deb(from 4front) and after a kernel update I cant uninstall the deb anymore, can anybody help me to remove the old deb?
13:35<enouf>fxiny: oh dear :-p
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13:35<fxiny>enouf: shall we move to fetora , to feel the thrill ? :P
13:36<enouf>fxiny: only 10 gallon hats here :-)
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13:36<fxiny>they were winding debian up ! oh btw the ssh-debable.ogg is avaiable for download
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13:38<fxiny>which demostrate again it was just a mistake . i'm still googling for a decent redhatta explanation :P
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13:39<fxiny>this means : debian clear things openly . and redhatta is still confused
13:39<enouf>fxiny: i told you - gotta watch out for those shifty types wearing french hats :-p
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13:40<fxiny>enouf: heheheh
13:40<enouf>fxiny: oh, from debconf08?
13:40<fxiny>enouf: yes
13:40<enouf>ssh-debacle.ogg -- k
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13:41<fxiny>clear as water
13:41<enouf>fxiny: 664_OpenSSLDebian_debacle.ogg
13:42<fxiny>enouf: i know you are quick ;)
13:42<enouf>crap - well, get the fucken name right :-P
13:42<enouf>and i'm being throttled ~700kB/sec .. :-/
13:43<enouf>oops, 800 now
13:43<enouf>i get 1.7M on this line
13:43<fxiny>still the news puppets are not publishing this fine link
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13:44<fxiny>i do think they are rotten to the core . the news puppets
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13:45<angasule>I just made myself a cup of coffee, the foam was swirling and I saw the debian logo, it is a sign!
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13:47<fxiny>angasule: it is : there was a kdm loging like that
13:48<EnriqueI>morph__: yes!
13:48<EnriqueI>Thank you
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13:49<morph_>EnriqueI: ok, good then ;)
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13:56<EmleyMoor>I can cope with that listenlive site...
13:56<EmleyMoor>It might even work on my phone!
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13:58<EmleyMoor>If I could make the m3u streams play, it would be even better
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14:14<noflash>EmleyMoor, Totem works for me
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14:37<Golfgeo>Hi all
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14:39<Golfgeo>Googleearth seems to have stopped working after a dist-upgrade on testing. Anyone else who also had or has this problem?
14:40<krishna>hi all, I'm trying to install a box with 4 hd using an etch dvd. What I want is to have 2 RAID1 arrays with 2 hd each, and then use these raid1 arrays into one raid0.
14:40<krishna>The matter is that when I have the 2 raid1 arrays ready, the installer does not allow me to use them as raid again. What should I do?
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14:41<krishna> I have a lenny netinsnt from this week, but the machine is not booting with this cd :-(
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14:44<vook>krishna: are these hardware raid or software?
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14:46<vook>or, are you using lvm, or true raid hardware?
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14:46<enouf>krishna: just make a raid10?
14:47*vook thinks go for raid 5 if possible.
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14:49<astronut>krishna: doesn't the installer have a raid 10 built in?
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14:51<krishna>vook, astronut: it's raid on software. The installer does not have raid 10 option -- not the version I have here
14:51<enouf>krishna: what you describe is raid10 see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt
14:51<enouf>well - that's what you need
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14:52<astronut>krishna: it was planned for lenny
14:52<astronut>krishna: hang on
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14:52<enouf>heck, my 2.6.16 even has a raid10 module - doesn't mean the installer is setup for it /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/md/raid10.ko
14:53<astronut>krishna: yes, it should be in the lenny installer
14:53<enouf>krishna: what happens when you boot the LennyCD?
14:53<astronut>according to
14:53<enouf>krishna: did your verify it's integrity?
14:53<astronut>if you need etch, you can probably set it up post boot
14:54<krishna>astronut, enouf: I had downloaded a lenny netinst 3 days ago, but it just does not boot on that machine! on my laptop and other machines it works ok
14:54<enouf>did you md5sum the ISO prior to burning? atleast run the "check integrity" option at boot:
14:54<astronut>krishna: try the latest beta installer
14:54<krishna>I'm trying to download a dayly lenny right now
14:54<astronut>rather than a daily
14:54<astronut>it'll be more stable
14:55<enouf>you somehow might be missing controller support - OR - is your BIOS set to Motherboard RAID?
14:55<enouf>turn that crpa off
14:55<krishna>enouf: my motherboard has no raid support, that's why I'm trying to do it by software
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14:56<enouf>is it an Old machine with an addon PCI Controller Card?
14:56<astronut>krishna: etch doesn't support raid10, lenny does, the lenny installer failed on him
14:56<astronut>krishna: try the latest beta
14:56<enouf>failed how?
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14:56<enouf>failed when?
14:56<enouf>failed why?
14:56<astronut>krishna: to boot
14:57<astronut>err, enouf
14:57<astronut>krishna: try lenny beta2
14:57<vook>we do have an extra IDE controller, yes?
14:57<astronut>enouf: he said the lenny installer failed to boot on that machine but worked on others
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14:58<enouf>astronut: i know what he said - i'm asking him follow ups
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14:58<krishna>enouf, astronut: the last beta2 did not show the first screen on boot, the machine is new, with a GA-G31M-S2L motherboard and intel core 2 quad processor
14:58<enouf>but he's not answering - you are :-p
14:58<vook>krishna: please confirm that your system can support 5 devices. :)
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14:59<enouf>hrm .. well, i find it hard to believe that mobo has no onboard Raid shit
14:59<vook>maybe serial ata
14:59<krishna>vook: yes, the BIOS shows 4 HDs and 1 cd/dvd correctly
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15:00<enouf>vook: certain upgrades caused my BIOS to lose both my CDRW and DVDRW drives - but the kernel always saw them :-)
15:00<krishna>vook: and the installer boots ok with the etch dvd
15:00<enouf>vook: i only had to re-enable specific BIOS settings - but i see why you would ask
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15:02<krishna>enouf, astronut: the boot with lenny beta2 fails before starting the installer. The last thing I have is the machine's message: "boot from CD/DVD"
15:02<vook>ok, ya - I have a four hd lvm set up on a system with standard 4 channel IDE. I installed root first, then disconnected the cd-rom, then created the lvm...
15:02<jpinx>I have a PIII and 256 RAM - am I going to have trouble with virtualbox? I only want it to run XP for myself
15:03<enouf>ok, no mobo raid
15:03<enouf>and ICH7
15:03<enouf>jpinx: likely yes
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15:03<m_101>hi people
15:04<qq_>jpinx: no ,
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15:04<enouf>krishna: try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" option at boot:
15:04<m_101>I would like to create a Debian repository, I've seen that it is possible to create a correct tree with apt-move then create the necessary file with apt-ftparchive
15:04<qq_>i run virtua on PIII @450 MHz and 196 MB ram
15:05<enouf>qq_: yikes
15:05<jpinx>qq: wow
15:05<m_101>is it possible to download automatically the packages and update then automatically too?
15:05<jpinx>any slowup?
15:05<enouf>Xpoop is going to be drippin poop slow
15:05<astronut>m_101: not with those particular tools, but there are others that are more suited to what you want
15:05<qq_>jpinx: no , normal
15:05<astronut>m_101: are you trying to mirror debian packages or host custom ones?
15:05<krishna>enouf: I can't, I do not get to the point where I should try that with the lenny beta2 cd. Should I do that with the etch dvd?
15:05<jpinx>qq: I'd really like to know how you got on. What OS are you running in the virtulbox?
15:06<enouf>ever run Xpoop on a 2.2GHZ with 128MB RAM dell ?
15:06<enouf>what a friggin dump
15:06<m_101>I'm going to mirror debian packages
15:06<enouf>krishna: no
15:06<qq_>jpinx: but i run debian ...
15:06<enouf>krishna: it's not that you have trouble booting the etch cd/dvd - it doesn't contain support for creating raid10
15:06<astronut>m_101: then you might want to look at something like apt-proxy, apt-cacher[-ng], etc
15:06<jpinx>qq: I run Debian too, but need XP or maybe w2000 for some stuff
15:07<krishna>enouf: ok
15:07<qq_>try first
15:07<jpinx>qq: I have dual boot - but rebooting between the OS's is a PITA
15:07<m_101>ok astronut, I'm going to watch for them
15:07<enouf>krishna: if you don't get to the boot prompt, your isolinux isn't working
15:07<enouf>krishna: or your BIOS settings are messing it up
15:07<vook>enouf: I see it all to often. A dell scan server running 1.7ghz with 256mb. They wonder why it's so slow.
15:07<m_101>what the best to use? apt-cache or apt-proxy?
15:08<enouf>vook: hehe
15:08<enouf>vook: let them suffer :-P
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15:08<dpkg>it has been said that debmirror is a method of mirroring apt repositories on debian.
15:08<krishna>enouf: the isolinux boots other machines, and my BIOS boots with other cd.......
15:08<enouf>krishna: i know - oddities
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15:09<enouf>krishna: weirdo stuffs - emulation mode boots and such - same issues here on older boxen for me
15:09<enouf>krishna: you have a floppy?
15:09<krishna>enouf: no
15:09<m_101>thank astronut and enouf ... going to read some docs :)
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15:09<enouf>krishna: i use SBM on a floppy to boot the machine to SBMs bootloader menu, then select CD from there ;-) works great
15:10<dpkg>i guess apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror for any apt source, look at
15:10<vook>time to walk-about...
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15:10<krishna>m_101: reprepro works good for me
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15:11<krishna>enouf: no floppy miles around :-)
15:12<jpinx>virtualbox is installed but on startup of the virtual box it asks for me to install virtualbox-ose-modules, but these are not available. Any ideas anyone?
15:12<krishna>and 35 minutes still missing to finish daily lenny download on my bad adsl.....
15:12<m_101>thanks krishna ... going to look for that too ... but apt-mirror seems great .... 'cause I'll download the whole Debian mirror for SPARC packages (since we want to have a close environment the best way to do that is to have a full copy of Debian repos for our architecture)
15:13<krishna>m_101: reprepro would fit too...... your choice!
15:13<m_101>ok I'll see
15:14<enouf>krishna: does your BIOS have a boot menu? you might have to hit a Fn key, then select boot from cdrom? so odd
15:14<jpinx>qq: any ideas on that?
15:14<qq_>jpinx: apt-get install virtualbox-ose*
15:14<enouf>krishna: is etch the only bootable cd that boots in that system?
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15:15<jpinx>qq: yea - that gives me a raft of stuff from backports ;)
15:15<enouf>!find virtualbox-ose-modules stable
15:15<krishna>enouf: no, there is only a boot order select on the general boot config, and I still didn't try other cds than etch and lenny beta2
15:15<enouf>krishna: ok ..
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15:16<qq_>jpinx: add you/as user to /etc/group, like vboxusers:x:116:qq
15:16<weasel>qq_: don't.
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15:17<weasel>qq_: don't tell users to edit etc/group. tell them to adduser $user $group
15:17<enouf>gpasswd user group :-) logout/login
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15:19<krishna>enouf: I've checked that ubuntu 8.04 and kubuntu 6.06 also boot. Only Lenny beta 2 downloaded this week fails so far.
15:20<enouf>krishna: thanks for confirming others work
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15:20<enouf>krishna: last thing would be to 'check integrity' on a machine it does boot on
15:21<enouf>krishna: and md5sum check the ISO if you still have it
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15:22<enouf>krishna: perhaps you burned that non-working one with{out} RR, or Joliet? isoinfo -d dev=/dev/cdrom will show flags/options
15:23<jpinx>virtualbox is still not starting. The package virtualbox-ose-modules is installed but when I try tos tart the virtualbox it tell me to run modprobe vboxdrv as root. This gives me FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found. Any help please?
15:23<qq_>jpinx: ons all instaled , must to restart X (Ctrl + Alt + BackSpace)..., run "modprobe vboxdrv" as root, before run and configure "virtualbox" as user
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15:24<enouf>krishna: after all that nonsense - the last and final thing to check is the isolinux versions used - IINM, the lenny might be using a newer version?
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15:25<enouf>qq_: should tell them to restart their DM for a clean X shutdown/Startup ;-)
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15:25<enouf>if they use a dm that is
15:25<qq_>jpinx: maybe need to restart , to boot in a right kernel ,
15:26<krishna>enouf: I have pasted mu isoinfo output in
15:26<enouf>reboot! :-p
15:27<enouf>krishna: thanks - ok, that has both joliet and rockridge support - compare to others known to boot
15:28<krishna>enouf: ok
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15:28<enouf>krishna: also compare line 7 Application ID
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15:30<jpinx>ok - I'm added to group vboxusers and going for a reboot of the host.
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15:30<krishna>enouf: the same for joliet and rock ridge... application ID just changes from mkisofs to genisoimage, which should be compatible
15:30<krishna>enouf: otavio salvador has advised me to donwload today's lenny snapshot
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15:35<enouf>krishna: "should be compatible" is a huge if
15:35<enouf>krishna: can you show me the other - even just that line
15:36<enouf>krishna: that's fine - i'm all for that d/l another - i'm just curious what went wrong where
15:37<krishna>enouf: here:
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15:46<enouf>those fools need to upgrade their router firmware - or conect on a diff port
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15:46<weasel>or you need to get a clue
15:47<weasel>gosh, I wonder what it is
15:47<krishna>enouf: I'll keep trying and post the updates here
15:48<enouf>krishna: ok
15:48<enouf>weasel: i'm still here ;-)
15:48<qq>enouf: i run sid /icewm on a pI@200 MHz
15:49<enouf>qq: nice ;-)
15:49<qq>and a server on pi@120 MHz
15:50<qq>sure a lite one
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15:53<m_101>Oo ... is it normal that the sparc archive is 43.7 GB?
15:54<qq>all from potato to sid ?
15:54<enouf>!debstats etch sparc
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15:55<m_101>wait I'm gonna recheck cause 43.7 GB ... is really huge
15:56<qq>all debian arch /dists are ~500 GB (not includeing sources)
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15:57<enouf>gah - they just rotated the servers i guess - i wasn't sure as i shut off the join/part messages in the middle of the netsplit - can't deal with that nonsense
15:57<m_101>wow qq
15:57<enouf>qq: for all arches - hrm, so each is ~45-50GBish then, ok, wasn't sure
15:58<m_101>ok it was unstable repos ...; going to put lenny (testing) repos ^^
15:58<enouf>qq: wait, what about per release?
15:58<enouf>!debstats etch
15:58<m_101>ow ... I didn't know the archives were so huge .... and by the way that's why there are 10+ DVD
15:58<qq>i dunno ,
15:59<enouf>well, Etch is 3 DVDs but they're compressed, so they expand to ~50GB
15:59<enouf>for one arch
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16:00<enouf>dpkg: taking your sweet time doll eh?
16:00<dpkg>enouf: bugger all, i dunno
16:00<m_101>... mmm ... doesn't matter I've just got enough free place on my disk anyway .... it'll take time but I'll have my repos lol
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16:01<m_101>or I might juste do a repos out of my /var/cache/apt/archives ... dunno xD
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16:02<enouf>she'll answer me 3 days later - oh well
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16:04<m_101>Oo ... it'll take me about 7 full days to download the whole 41,4 GB
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16:04<m_101>(yes ... my connection sucks .... 1 Mb/sec)
16:06<enouf>dpkg: just forget i asked - please, stop updating your files - it's not that important
16:06<dpkg>You are moron #5, enouf
16:06<enouf>dpkg: yes yes i am ..
16:06<dpkg>enouf: are you smoking crack?
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16:06<enouf>no, but i probably should be
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16:09<Binary>hey all
16:10<techbee>hi all
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16:13<EnriqueI>How would I test ssl ftp?
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16:14<EnriqueI>found a site. :D
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16:21<ghostlines>anyone know what this problem could be, i'm trying to tunnel
16:21<ghostlines>channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed
16:21<ghostlines>*ssh tunnel
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16:22<weasel>ghostlines: what's the command line you used?
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16:30<Ryan52>ghostlines: the remote server might have port forwarding disabled...
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16:32<Ryan52>ghostlines: what are you doing?
16:32<Ryan52>please don't...umm...private message...or ummm...whatever that
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16:34<Ryan52>ghostlines: Please don't do that.
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16:35<Ryan52>ghostlines: first of all, private messaging without permission is bad.
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16:35<Ryan52>ghostlines: second of all, that's not showing up in it's own window, but in my main window.
16:36<Ryan52>ghostlines: third of all, I ignored everything you said.
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16:36<Ryan52>since you continued to ignore me telling you not to do that.
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16:36<ghostlines>i thought you meant don't attempt to forward the port...
16:37<Ryan52>no, I meant stop whatever it was that you were doing...
16:37<Ikarus>Anyone know if it is possible to custom name vlan devices created via vconfig, the 4 automatic generated name options are nice, if you can remember what each vlan in your network is....
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16:37<weasel>Ikarus: yes.
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16:38<weasel>now where do I have someting like that...
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16:39<Ikarus>I mean I have it for physical devices via mactab
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16:39<weasel>this *will* oops on 2.6.18, but should work on later kernels.
16:41<Ikarus>weasel: heh, grmbl
16:41<Ikarus>Linux router 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Tue Jun 17 20:57:16 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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16:42<weasel>upgrade :)
16:42<Ikarus>ah well, time for etch-and-a-half
16:42<Ikarus>weasel: it's a production box
16:42<weasel>and -486!?
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16:43<Ikarus>weasel: yeah, had some issues with the -686 kernel for some bizarro reason
16:43<Ikarus>weird compaq boxes
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16:44<Ikarus>weasel: they also have a broken onboard Intel network card
16:44<Ikarus>I learned to stop asking questions like how or why
16:44*weasel hugs his HP servers.
16:45<Ikarus>weasel: if we can afford them I am actually looking forward to drop in a few Dell servers...
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16:47<qq>no compaq , have hotdog network somewhere enabled (or even a PCI card)
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16:51*egns pira a comer, saluditos :P
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16:52<ghostlines>ey Ryan52 i got through thanks for your help though
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18:22<Spoff>hello, i have been directed here in answer to a query i have
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18:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:26<Spoff>trying to do a pxe install (bootp tftp) of debian but it is requiring a F1 button press on the keyboard, trialing this for new server in datacenter and need to know how to get past this option. Before with old linux distro i could ssh round this. taken latest debian image from site for tftp.
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18:27<weasel>why would it require you pressing the F1 button?
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18:31<Spoff>i can refer to this link here:
18:31<Spoff>this is the stumbling block
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18:32<Spoff>this is due to the server being in a datacenter where we have no access to the actual keyboard of the computer not that there is one
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18:33<Spoff>this is a project for work
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18:37<weasel>Spoff: so just press enter?
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18:39<Lethalman>where can i find logos and images for debian in a standard installation?
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18:40<Spoff>really, is that all it requires
18:40<weasel>I suppose so.
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18:41<Spoff>i will ask the guy who was testing it out before we actually did it to the datacenter but if it is that simple i feel awfully stupid
18:42<Spoff>anyhoo, if i do need more help i will be back here as well this has to be the best place for knowledge
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18:45<weasel>Spoff: it says to press enter to continue, doesn't it? :)
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18:52<Spoff>no that is not what i was told
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18:54<Spoff>but i will need to ask the guy who was doing it, he is fedorra experienced and had never done debian before so weare working on it together
18:54<azeem>nevertheless he should be able to tell `F1' and `Enter' apart :P
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18:55<Spoff>i would think he would have tried it
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19:01<m_101>what do you recommend me : apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng or apt-proxy?
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19:02<qq> .... debirror
19:02<qq> .... debmirror*
19:03<h2-gw>what about approx
19:03<m_101>finally, I won't download all the repos for lenny sparc arch ... it's too huge to download
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19:06<WayneSallee>what's the command for resetting the monitor settings when a different monitor has been attached to the computer?
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19:21<qq>Stupid question! chineses language support is ok in debian ?
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19:23<dpkg>well, chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at, or try the channel #Chinese, or /j #debian-zh
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19:24<qq>abrotman: well to know, i'm not a chinese speaker , but i like at aide see
19:25<abrotman>uh what?
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19:27<qq>beijing_lug_ ask some help in installing some pc (30) in a school
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19:30<abrotman>do you speak chinese?
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19:57<kcynice>may i install some softwares using *.rpm files, and how to do it?
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19:58<noflash>kcynice, check out alien
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19:59<kcynice>i tried, but found it had many dependencies
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19:59<kcynice>i cant install it successfully
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20:00<tlmiller>can't install alien successfully?
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20:01<qq> check out sources list
20:01<kcynice>Depends: debhelper (>= 3) but it is not going to be installed, rpm (>= 2.4.4-2) but it is not going to be installed
20:02<kcynice>when i want to install them, they have many other dependencies
20:02<qq>kcynice: paste sources list
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20:03<qq>not here ! on >>
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20:06<qq>kcynice: anyway have to install a .rmp who will not brake your debian ...
20:07<kcynice>in fact, in want to paly encrypted dvds, so i have to intall lindvd software, but i haven't had a *.deb installation file
20:07<kcynice>only can download *.rpm version
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20:08<kcynice>and is there another software can help me?
20:09<WayneSallee>I can't get X to work.
20:09<qq>kcynice: well than choose a less bigger paly version
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20:10<kcynice>qq:what do you really mean?
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20:11<qq>paly has a version nummber, no ?
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20:11<qq>i tho you means "pal" ...
20:12<abrotman>WayneSallee: we'd need way more information
20:12<qq>secam , and so
20:12<kcynice>qq: my source.list has been pasted at:
20:12<WayneSallee>I changed to a different monitor, and I can't rememberr the command that reconfigures x to the new monitor
20:12<qq>kcynice: on sarge ?
20:13<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
20:14<WayneSallee>Ok thanks
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20:18<qq>kcynice: have you tried ? > ogle ogle-mmx
20:19<kcynice>i googled. from yesterday. but still can't paly my dvds
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20:21<qq>kcynice: what is "paly" ?
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20:25<mano>hi all
20:25<mano>i need some help one connecting my laptop from gnome start
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20:26<mano>I mean every time i login i have to manually connect to my wireless network
20:26<mano>which is not brodcasted
20:26<mano>so how do i do that?
20:28<kcynice>qq: sorry, should be play
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20:38<kcynice>qq: i use aptitude install alien successfully. thanks all
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21:04<chahibi>is there any log of apt operations?
21:04<Ryan52>dpkg is /var/log/dpkg.log
21:04<dpkg>Ryan52: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
21:04<Ryan52>aptitude is /var/log/aptitude.log
21:04<Ryan52>apt-get doesn't log AFAIK
21:04<Ryan52>dpkg: stop your nagging :)
21:04<dpkg>Ryan52: bugger all, i dunno
21:05<chahibi>Ryan52, thanks
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21:15<nike>When will KDE4 hit sid?
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21:17<Ryan52>nike: when they decide it should...
21:17<Ryan52>nike: it's not an automated process...
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21:33<enouf>nike: you have lenny? you should use the backports
21:33<nike>enouf: sid
21:34<enouf>oh well - entirely up to you if you want to try 'experimental'.. be prepared for breakage - don't come crying for help ;-)
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21:36<aranjedeath>Isn't kde4 still pretty beta?
21:37<dpkg>well, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. For lenny backports, see
21:37<aranjedeath>I heard the update they just did or were about to do was huge as far as bug fixes and stuff go
21:37<aranjedeath>yeah, 4.1
21:38<enouf>ironic thing is, someone running sid shouldn't have to ask about what to do ;-)
21:38<aranjedeath>Which one is sid?
21:38<dpkg>releases is probably See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
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21:39<aranjedeath>I just run lenny >_>
21:39<aranjedeath>I never took the time with old stuff
21:39<aranjedeath>I would use unstable, but as I've heard debian unstable is actually unstable
21:40<enouf>no, bahhh is what the stupid southern republican sheeple do when it comes to Big Oil and Corrupt, Bribed, and Felonious politicians
21:40<aranjedeath>Bah is a noise I make with my mouth. Like a sheep, but shorter.
21:40<enouf>and bingo was his name o'
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22:16<jiang>have anyone
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22:44<ranix>Does anyone know if it is possible to have a screen session (as per the program, screen) active on two virtual terminals at the same time?
22:45<ranix>i.e., able to look over at the computer next to me and see the screen, but also able to alt-tab to my putty ssh session and also see it
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22:47<Ryan52>ranix: screen -x
22:47<ranix>thanks man
22:47<ranix>wow that's super awesome
22:48<ranix>I've been wanting to do that for so long
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22:51<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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22:56<RIVE>Hola lazloman.
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23:07<db>how are you?
23:07<DeepDayze>hello db
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23:09<putra>db, how are u?
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23:10<putra>any body can help me.. :)
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23:13<RIVE>Hi db.
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23:14<putra>some body help me, please?
23:14<MotoHoss>anyone else seeing this? -->W: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
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23:15<dmoerner>MotoHoss, there is no such thing as lenny/updates on
23:15<superme>hi folks. lenny 2.26.25 installed (on eeepc). Wifi fonctionned as well 1h ago. Now just the eth0 is turning. Just before i launched the shell rescue mode by the installator to check fdisk. How can i check / relaunch ath0 ?
23:15<superme>network-manager see the wired connection, not the wifi
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23:16<putra>help me about remove the old version GLib
23:16<putra>how about it?
23:16<dmoerner>superme, do you have to recompile the madwifi drivers against the new source?
23:16<superme>putra: let use aptitude
23:16<MotoHoss>dmoerner: hmmm then wonder what changed my sources.list I surely haven't.
23:16<dmoerner>putra, why? unneeded versions of glibc are automatically replaced and changing versions is risky business
23:16<superme>dmoerner: no i plannished to do it, but not yet. everything was ok just 1h ago
23:17<dmoerner>MotoHoss, you can post it if you want to
23:17<putra>superme: how command execute it
23:17<dmoerner>superme, ah i misunderstood you. you are using madwifi snapshots instead of ath5k i presume?
23:18<superme>superme: sudo aptitude, after b to search broken packages
23:18<idn>purta: use apt-get --purge or aptitude
23:19<superme>dmoerner: exactly. madwifi, the good version according to my kernel. (later i will do the updates)
23:19<putra>E: Invalid operation glib-2.12.4
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23:19<putra>apt-get --purge glib
23:19<dmoerner>glib is not a package
23:20<superme>‍putra: in aptitude / to search glib and b to search broken dependances
23:20<MotoHoss>dmoerner: I see the failing lines .... i do not understand _how_ they got there... and why the error only showed up today... when the last modification on the file says Aug 14...
23:21<dmoerner>MotoHoss, there has never been a lenny/updates on so that is odd. perhaps you meant to add the security lines?
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23:21<putra>*** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.16.5, but GLIB (2.12.4)
23:21<putra>*** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best
23:21<putra>*** to remove the old version of GLib.
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23:24<dmoerner>putra, libglib2.0-0 is a critical C library. Since 2.12.4 is found, I presume you are using etch.
23:24<dmoerner>you can't backport a newer version of that package to etch, to my knowledge
23:25<putra>yes, i am using etch
23:25<MotoHoss>dmoerner: yes. very odd indeed. I looked at my (from the install) and those failing lines are the only diff. I will look to see if I had a brain fart. Odd that it would take this many days to show up... I have done updates several times since that date.
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23:27<superme>what can i chck as file to see if ath0 is turning or not
23:27<enouf>superme: ls /sys/class/net ?
23:27<enouf>turning on?
23:28<superme>enouf: eth0 and lo only
23:28<enouf>then it's not an iface seen by the system
23:29<enouf>superme: also, lspci -k can help you notice, vs when it is working
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23:29<superme>is it possible the installer modified the config *before installing step* ?
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23:29<enouf>check dmesg for any related info
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23:30<superme>enouf: lspci -k don't see any ath0
23:30<enouf>it won't say ath0
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23:31<enouf>erm, is that the name of the kernel module?
23:31<enouf>no, right?
23:31<superme>erm ? i never heard about that
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23:32<superme>dmesg find only eth0. have the impression ath0 is disactived ! don't know how/why.
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23:33<enouf>superme: do you know whiiich wireless chipet you have?
23:34<enouf>have you installed wireless-tools pkg?
23:34<enouf>lspci -nn should tell you chipset/card info
23:34<enouf>are you on Etch?
23:35<superme>enouf: the wifi chipset, i don't remember on eeepc, but i can find it. Yes, all did fonctionned perfectly untill 1h ago
23:36<superme>am on lenny + eeepc packages
23:36<enouf>oh? then what broke it?
23:36<dmoerner>it is an atheros and he is using madwifi
23:36<superme>lenny with 2.26.25
23:36<dmoerner>2.6.25 i presume you mean
23:37<superme>dmoerner: exactly
23:37<superme>i wait for to be "ready" before to update
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23:40<enouf>superme: have you tried as root; /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
23:41<superme>i try now
23:41<superme>it does not find /etc/init.d
23:42<enouf>~$ ll /etc/init.d/networking
23:42<enouf>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2550 2007-01-06 10:36 /etc/init.d/networking
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23:42<superme>sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
23:42<superme>Reconfiguring network interfaces...done.
23:42<superme>still wired not wifi
23:42<superme>i did the same for network-manager
23:43<enouf>reboot then .. unless you did something that broke it
23:43<superme>i allready reboot it. the same. I broke something, don't know how or what
23:44<enouf>well, i'm not good with wifi issues
23:44<superme>and nobody answer on #debian-eeepc ^^
23:44<enouf>superme: does lsmod show the needed modules loaded?
23:44<enouf>superme: do you even know which modules are needed?
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23:45<superme>madwifi i think
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23:45<superme>don't find anything about wifi ...
23:46<enouf>superme: /msg dpkg madwifi
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23:47<superme>msg : command not found.
23:47<enouf>superme: in your irc client
23:47<enouf>!tell superme about msg the bot
23:48<kop>superme : There's stuff on the list about madwifi and what's replacing it. I forget. Check the list archives (somewhere).
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23:49<superme>enouf: i think i did not understand what to do with the dpkg window.
23:49<superme>kop: madwifi fonctionated perfectly 1h ago ...
23:49<enouf>superme: dpkg (on your system) is the low-level pkg manager, but it's also the name of the Channel bot (dpkgbot), that spews factoids for us
23:49<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
23:50<Bladesman>Can anyone explain what scrollkeeper is or how it's used?
23:50<enouf>good question
23:50<enouf>lot of useless logs it seems :-P
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23:52<superme>ok, i messaged dpkg
23:53<superme>Bladesman: is to keep the middleclic lock to scroll w/o maintain the button clicked ?
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23:55<dmoerner>Bladesman, it stores metadata to easy searching through documentation
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23:55*Bladesman is on the CLI and doesn't use a mouse anymore. Blind as a bat and can't see the pointer.
23:56<Bladesman>Ah...bloatware. Okay. Thanks.
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23:59<superme>wpa-supplicant, a file created by madwifi show lauched by /var/run/wpa-supplicant. /var/run/ don't have wpa-supplicant ... (anymore)
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