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00:04<superme>enouf: i'm not sure to understand how works dpkg. i launched the message as well
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00:05<enouf>superme: you just type in "/msg dpkg <something>" without the quotes into your IRC client
00:05<enouf>superme: and no <>
00:06<enouf>wow, your client SUCKS RIVE! :-P into the b0z0 box you go ;-)
00:07<superme>enouf: i did it, ok
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00:09<superme>enouf: i am moron now ...
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00:10<dpkg>moron is probably someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more
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00:11<superme>dpkg: ok
00:11<dpkg>superme: i don't know
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00:17<enouf>superme: you fixed it?
00:18<superme>not at all
00:18<superme>i dont now what to check anymore
00:18<dmoerner>superme, which version of the eee is this?
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00:19<enouf>i don't either - perhaps look into those lists someone mentioned - also madwifi forums?
00:19<superme>yeah i allready check.
00:20<superme>i will find : have no choice
00:22<superme>WARNING: Today [2008-08-28] new kernel version 2.6.26 has hit Lenny what causes some problems on the Eee PC. The developer team is working on the issue. You are better off holding off your installation and software updates until the issue is solved.
00:23<superme>going to wait longer before to update
00:23<dmoerner>superme, have you considered using ath5k?
00:23<RIVE>Thnaks supreme, i will old the actulization in my eee.
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00:25<superme>dmoerner: not yet, i used madwifi for the moment and it was ok
00:26<superme>RIVE: yes ! on #eeepc-debian one have a warming pb on eeepc
00:26<superme>by booting, the system crounched and warming dangerously
00:27<superme>and before to think about ath5k, i have to restore the madwifi trouble
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00:29<RIVE>Thanks superme, will check that.
00:29<superme>i'm gone. thanks for help, i will back for feed back if t's ok
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00:31<Killen>Is someone here alive?
00:31<RIVE>Killen, i think i'm alive.
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00:32<Killen>Can you help me with sounds in GNOME?
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00:33<RIVE>Killen, if I know how to solveit, willm try.
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00:37<Killen>I download all sounds for gnome, but they aren't playing. In help I found that in sound options must be tab named "Common" (or General, or something like) with "run sound server with login" parameter, which maybe can solve, but i haven't this tab.
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00:37<Killen>I've lenny installed
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00:41<Killen>Maybe this parameter can be changed in some file? Where does GNOME store his options?
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00:43<Killen>Do you know?
00:46<qq>Killen: ar root have sound ?
00:47<Killen>I don't know.
00:47<enouf>!alsa checklist
00:47<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
00:47<dpkg>Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working.
00:47<Killen>Everything other playing sounds.
00:48<enouf>try System > Preferences > Audio ?
00:48<Killen>I try.
00:48<enouf>try harder and run throught the checklist and tell us when it fails
00:49<Killen>Sounds aren't playing in check.
00:51<qq>wait , it seem if you enable gnome sound , you'll loose the sound , so up to you to decide what you want
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00:55<Killen>cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp make sound. But gnome is not)
00:55<qq>hm [21:16:58] <weasel> qq_: don't tell users to edit etc/group. tell them to adduser $user $group
00:55<qq>instead of "2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again"
00:55<vook>Killen: what are the permissions on /dev/dsp ? ls -lah /dev/dsp
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00:57<Killen>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Авг 30 07:51 /dev/dsp
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00:59<qq>Killen: cat /etc/group |grep audio
00:59<vook>Killen: you can confirm if you are a member of the audio group by typing 'groups'. If not, indeed, logout, and in again.
01:00<vook>boring boring, exterminate exterminate.
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01:02<Killen>Yeah, it's working) Thanks) Is my trouble was in audio group?
01:03<qq>[06:59:10] <qq> Killen: cat /etc/group |grep audio
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01:04<bighornram>Is there a log of the screen when shutting down?
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01:05<qq>do the command to see
01:05<vook>bighornram: dmesg I believe.
01:05<vook>bighornram: /var/log/dmesg...
01:06<vook>I may be incorrect though.
01:06<vook>ls -l
01:07<Killen>qq: wait... There is still no sound. Only login sound was played.
01:08<enouf>bighornram: if you mean what you see when the system goes down to halt or reboot - no
01:08<enouf>bighornram: you can use a serial console conn if you want to capture those - aer you having shutdown issues?
01:08<enouf>or even ssh
01:10<bighornram>enouf: doesn't seem to be messing up but I get a full screen of what is many numbers and a file location mostly lib files.
01:11<qq>bighornram: is normal in lasts kernel
01:11<qq> many numbers are times [44455.11111]
01:13<bighornram>so is not a problem in my set then? cool.
01:13<bighornram>is lenny amd64
01:14<enouf>boot with printk.time=0 ?
01:14<putra>thanks all :)
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01:15<enouf>printk.time= Show timing data prefixed to each printk message line Format: <bool> (1/Y/y=enable, 0/N/n=disable)
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01:23<bighornram>qq: Mr. Google found an image similar to what I see on my shutdown.
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01:25<Killen>qq: there is still no sounds...
01:25<qq>bighornram: if so , do a photo of yours
01:25<qq>Killen: [06:51:08] <qq> wait , it seem if you enable gnome sound , you'll loose the sound , so up to you to decide what you want
01:26<qq>Why not ?
01:26<bighornram>qq: how would I capture with ssh or serial console?
01:26<Killen>In etch everything working properly.
01:27<qq>bighornram: do a /picture/photo
01:28<qq>Killen: do a bug rapport , than
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01:44<Killen>dd: There was no libesd-alsa0 installed while i'm using alsa.
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02:13<g---->can someone tell me how can i retrieve the original /etc/fonts/fonts.conf file?
02:13<bighornram>qq: you still here?
02:13<g---->i messed with it..
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02:17<dmoerner>dpkg, tell g---- -about confmiss
02:17<dmoerner>g----, you need to reinstall fontconfig-config
02:19<g---->didnt now about confmiss
02:19<g---->thanks man ;)
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02:23<bighornram>here is part of my shutdown screen. Can someone tell me if this is bad or if I need to address this issue? Is there a way to capture a log of the shutdown screen
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02:25<Damian-27-CBA>Alguien Sabe como Armar mi propio repositoria apartir de las imagenes ISO de dvd's DEBIAN???
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02:26<Damian-27-CBA>thanks vook
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02:42<postgres>is the process to load and unload alsa modules different for etch and lenny?
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02:46<blubberdiblub>do you mean manually? you can use modprobe in both cases
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02:53<postgres>blubberdiblub: that part I knew... but I seem to recall a way, something like /etc/init.d/alsamods stop which (instead of stopping something) would remove the modules; start would insert them again
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02:55<fxiny>postgres: maybe this ? : /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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02:56<blubberdiblub>postgres, i think that used to be /etc/init.d/alsa or /etc/init.d/alsa-base, but that initscript is gone, at least as of lenny. but i don't know if etch had that, too. the usual way now is to have them automatically loaded at bootup, and if they don't (in case of isa cards or some onboard cards for example), to put the module name into /etc/module. otherwise just use modprobe to remove and insert them. /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
02:56<blubberdiblub>is just for setting/saving/restoring volume levels
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02:57<blubberdiblub>/etc/modules even
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03:03<postgres>so there is not a way to load/unload sets of modules any longer (at least lenny) and lenny doesn't have ardour anymore either...
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03:04<postgres>I suppose I could write a script... on the other hand, is there a way to enumerate the modules that would be inserted?
03:04<postgres>I have a sneaking suspicion I should downgrade
03:04<blubberdiblub>downgrading isn't supported
03:05<blubberdiblub>postgres, what's your actual problem?
03:05<blubberdiblub>i.e., what do you want to do?
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03:16<postgres>I'd like to be able to efficiently load and unload the alsa modules in order to determine and solve problems I run into. presently, I want to learn how alsa determines the number of hardware inputs and outputs available
03:16<postgres>blubberdiblub: it'
03:17<postgres>blubberdiblub: it's ok that downgrading isn't supported... I haven 't done much more than install debian on the machine in question
03:18<postgres>I have pro sound hardware that has > 16 ins and > 16 outs
03:19<blubberdiblub>oh, i see
03:19<postgres>it's weird because alsamixer doesnt' actually function to mix those directly; rather, a separate mixer program was created
03:20<postgres>in the land of good things, I've seen and heard an input routed to an output
03:20<postgres>so I'm pretty sure things are working, but there
03:22<postgres>is also a high quality router (audio, not IP) that is supposed to be very flexible, so I'm interested in learning how to get routing accomplished using (say) an existing tool or else soemthign I would build
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03:33<kmonk>postgress, doesnt pulse audio have routing capabilities?
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03:34<postgres>it might, and I have to use jack anyway if I'm going to use ardour... but the hardware has internal routing as well
03:35<kmonk>i'm pretty sure it does have routing capabilities
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03:36<postgres>the thing is I'm also trying to learn about the hardware, and the manual makes a lot of mention of win and macos, but doesn't say anything about linux
03:37<kmonk>well, no great suprise there, you're into audio production?
03:40<postgres>I want to be :)
03:40<postgres>I'll probably take a few classes to help
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04:01<ssamoon>hey yall.. i'd like to switch over from ubuntu but I'm wondering where I can find some good repos to use a lot of the non-free software I am used to... i like this distro better but I'm not too partial to the dogmatic adherence to free software... can you direct me to some good repos? the main reason I want to use this instead of ubuntu is to use testing/unstable for newer software, and ubuntu is kinda bloated...
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04:01<ssamoon>i switched over to arch, package management is amazing but it's annoying how *everything* installs completely unconfigured
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04:04<Lethalman>ssamoon, there's the non-free component, add it after the "main" component in your sources.list
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04:05<ssamoon>still feel like there's stuff in the ubuntu repos that I dont find even using non-free, or am I imaginging things?
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04:06<avu>ssamoon, well, can you be a bit more specific?
04:06<avu>ssamoon, what exactly is it that you want and don't get?
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04:08<ssamoon>hmm.. i'll try to remember something other than firefox. but you feel like everything should pretty much be there? maybe i'll give deb another shot...
04:09<avu>firefox is called iceweasel in debian
04:09<avu>no idea what you mean by 'everything' though, so I can't answer that question.
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04:09<ssamoon>yeah, i know it's vague..
04:09<avu>there are third party repositories that people use, one popular one would be debian-multimedia for example.
04:10<avu>but without knowing what applications you're actually talking about, I can't say if you'd want that or not..
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04:13<ssamoon>if i create a free partition on my drive, can I use a debian auto-partitioner just on that partition or can i only select the whole drive? think i'll add a deb distro to my machine..
04:14<avu>the automatic partitioning is for drives, obviously. partitions can't be partitioned
04:15<avu>but I wouldn't suggest automatic partitioning to anyone in any case, I personally don't think the automatic partitioner makes very good choices.
04:15<ssamoon>ah, thanks, so i'll need to size and assign them myself i am assuming..
04:16<avu>if you already have another linux (ie ubuntu) installed, all you really need is one new partition anyway (or two if you want to keep /home seperate which is often a good idea)
04:16<avu>the swap partition can be shared among the two distributions
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04:17<ssamoon>oh yes... i think i can probably share a /home, in fact it will probably make my life simpler, and i'll use them both for relatively similar purposes..
04:18<avu>well, sharing /home might be fine, it might also make things quite messy
04:18<ssamoon>hmm, would different users help?
04:18<avu>remember that /home is where all the configuration for your user lives
04:18<avu>of course
04:18<ssamoon>sharing a /home with different users shouldn't cause too many problems right?
04:19<avu>none in fact
04:19<avu>the only problems that arrise from sharing /home are the configurations
04:19<ssamoon>cool.. thanks for answering my poorly formed questions
04:20<ssamoon>another quick thing: can you recommend a good X text editor a la 'gedit' from gnome, but not a gnome program?
04:21<avu>I use emacs.
04:21<avu>That's not really "a text editor a la gedit" though
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04:22<ssamoon>hmm.. i've really only not looked at that since im a vi guy, but maybe that'll solve my problems actually..
04:23<ssamoon>gparted the partitioner of choice these days?
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04:26<postgres>ssamoon, debian is well known for how stable its compilers are... I would think you could build anything out there
04:26<postgres>maybe 90%
04:26*postgres builds myself all the time....
04:26<ssamoon>yeah.. i've only run into trouble with very bleeding edge stuff...
04:27<ssamoon>what version do you use?
04:27<ssamoon>i was using lenny, and will be installing that again, but i've been thinking of going unstable
04:27<postgres>etch with a custom kernel usually
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04:28<ssamoon>hmm.. aint the etch stuff pretty old these days?
04:28<postgres>yeah, but old doesn't mean doesn't work
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04:29<postgres>and released means -really- well tested and doesn't move much, for some machines I don't like problems
04:29<ssamoon>no, i'm sure it's rock stable.. i guess all my years of windows i just like it when things break sometimes
04:31<postgres>we're just different... that's not bad in any way
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04:32<postgres>the thing is even as you get to the more unstable versions of debian, the compilers are where the packages come from
04:33<postgres>so pretty much, those get fixed first
04:33<postgres>or get changed last
04:34<postgres>if you were to build your own gcc, it would be linked to the libs you have... change those libs, and you might have to rebuild gcc again
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04:38<ssamoon>man if arch wasn't such a pain... i'd have deb installed by now :P
04:38<postgres>s preventing you from installing?
04:38<Ryan52>ssamoon: arch?
04:39<ssamoon>it's a linux distro that... while very fun is a little over my head
04:39<ssamoon>postgres.. having trouble getting gparted running, first i needed to reinstall and restart dbus, now i'm having HAL issues..
04:40*Ryan52 gets confused how arch being a pain is prevent you from installing debian
04:40<postgres>you don't need any particular partitioner
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04:40<Scurz>I've a problem with a server, if I boot the server, all services are not up, only the mail/ftp servers are up, but the ssh and http servers are down, here is the ls of /etc/rc2.d/ : : would you have any ideas?
04:40<ssamoon>thats just the only one i've used.. whats another?
04:40<postgres>in fact, if you intend to wipe-and-restart (this is an extreme action!), the installer has the partitioner
04:41<postgres>fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk
04:41<ssamoon>nah, i wanna keep my arch for playtime
04:41<postgres>oic, so you'
04:41<postgres>oic, so you're looking for additional space
04:41<ssamoon>yep yep..
04:42<ssamoon>guess i can just fdisk it..
04:42<Ryan52>ssamoon: you should've used lvm.
04:42<postgres>maybe you still can
04:42<Scurz>please, does someone have any ideas for my problem?
04:42<Ryan52>Scurz: it looks fine...anything in the logs.
04:42<Ryan52>Scurz: and be patient
04:42<Ryan52>Scurz: some people only look at the channel every 10 or even 30 minutes.
04:43<Ryan52>Scurz: we are, of course volunteers, and we do other things.
04:43<Scurz>Ryan52: Yes, I'm patient, but it's *very* urgent
04:43<Scurz>Ryan52: I know how this channel works...
04:43<Scurz>Ryan52: you won't learn me how it works ;)
04:44<Ryan52>what's the dpkg command to tell him we don't care about his problems :)
04:44<Ryan52>Scurz: anything in syslog?
04:44<Ryan52>Scurz: anything on the console during boot?
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04:44<Ryan52>Scurz: does it show that it's at least trying to start said services.
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04:45<postgres>what he's trying to say I think, is your urgent is not our urgent
04:45<Scurz>Ryan52: the problem happens on a dedicated server, so, I can't see what's happening during boot
04:45<postgres>then you need to look at the logs
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04:45<Ryan52>Scurz: then how are you connecting if ssh doesn't start? :|
04:45<Scurz>already done, I've seen nothing of strange :/
04:45<postgres>oh, good point...
04:45<Scurz>Ryan52: there is a rescue mode
04:46<Ryan52>Scurz: huh? what do you mean rescue mode?
04:46<Scurz>Ryan52: where I can't mount the partitions of the server
04:46<Ryan52>Scurz: so it's a virtual server.
04:46<postgres>did you try to start the services involved while watching the log go by?
04:46<Ryan52>Scurz: not a dedicated server.
04:46<Scurz>Ryan52: yes, it's a dedicated server
04:46<Scurz>Ryan52: I explain you
04:47<postgres>I explain you too! you have a name and a number!
04:47<Ryan52>Scurz: your VPS provider can see what's happening on the console. ask them for help.
04:47<Scurz>Ryan52: when the problem has problems, I can boot it with the rescue mode, this is like a live cd
04:47<Ryan52>Scurz: so some console monkey is putting in a live cd for you?
04:47<Scurz>Ryan52: already done... they don't help for software problems
04:47<Scurz>Ryan52: non, I said "like"
04:48<postgres>did you try to start the services involved while watching the log go by?
04:48<Ryan52>postgres: he can't. he's in" rescue" mode.
04:48<Ryan52>unless he chroots
04:48<Ryan52>which may change the behavier
04:48<Scurz>Ryan52: I meant, the rescue mode works *like* a live cd, you boot on a live OS and you can chmod the partitions for example... to see logs, etc
04:49<Ryan52>Scurz: ya. so it's a virtual server.
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04:49<postgres>oh ok
04:49<Scurz>Ryan52: yes, the rescue mode is virtual, of course :D
04:49<Ryan52>Scurz: try chroot-ing, and starting the services
04:49<Scurz>and I can also chroot the partitions
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04:49<Ryan52>Scurz: see what happens when you try to start them.
04:49<postgres>can he get to a serial console if he boots into normal mode?
04:50<Ryan52>Scurz: you need a better VPS provider that does give you serial console, if not.
04:50<Ryan52>Scurz: I recommend slicehost...they have an IRC channel and everything :)
04:50<Ryan52>but that's another problem :)
04:50<Scurz>Ryan52: there is a vkvm mode (virtual kvm) but it has bugs :(
04:50<Ryan52>once again, slicehost.
04:51<Ryan52>and all they do is sit around helping people with software problems all day.
04:51<Scurz>ok, but that's not the problem
04:51<Ryan52>but anyway. what happens when you try to start it in the chroot?
04:51<Scurz>the server has to work
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04:51<postgres>Scurz: you said before you looked at the logs and you said they're "normal"...
04:51<Scurz>Ryan52: wait :) the server is rebooting in the mode rescue
04:52<Scurz>and that take 4-5 min
04:53<Scurz>postgres: Yes, I think
04:53<Scurz>postgres: but maybe, I didn't see the problem if there is one
04:53<postgres>so, given they're normal, you should see evidence in the logs of the services starting
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04:54<Scurz>I'm going to see again the log
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04:54<postgres>which logs have you looked at?
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04:54<Scurz>/var/log/syslog and dmesg
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04:54<postgres>and which logs are you goign to look at now
04:54<postgres>I'd also look at daemon.log
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04:55<postgres>and maybe also auth.log (but that would show attempts)
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04:56*Ryan52 calls himself stupid
04:57<Ryan52>how do I find the history of a page on w.d.o?
04:57<Scurz>Ryan52: the chroot-ing command doesn't exist
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04:57<Ryan52>Scurz: chroot
04:57<postgres>the history? I'd go to the wayback machine
04:58<Ryan52>postgres: no. it tracks changes. like any good wiki does.
04:58<Ryan52>postgres: and I want to see who changed it when.
04:58<postgres>oh, the wiki part
04:58<Ryan52>at the bottom it says who last changed it and when
04:58<postgres>I thought you meant
04:58<Ryan52>wiki.d.o :)
04:58<Scurz>postgres: for the daemong.log
04:59<postgres>or World.Dreadlock.organization
05:00<Ryan52>heh. ya.
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05:01<Ryan52>oh. the info link means history.
05:01<Ryan52>I wonder why they dont call it history...
05:01<postgres>Scurz: take a look at the bottom of that posting
05:02<Ryan52>postgres: all I see is named stuff...which shouldnt matter...
05:02<Ryan52>and mysql, which is completely unrelated...
05:03<postgres>I see the named stuff, but I also see a coupla tables that need repair
05:03<Ryan52>but that's unrelated to http and ssh not starting...
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05:04<Scurz>postgres: what is there at the bottom ?
05:04<postgres>right, but it's going to be relevent when he goes to repair the server
05:04<postgres>you posted it...
05:04<Scurz>postgres: do you think that mysql can be the problem ?
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05:04<Ryan52>Scurz: no. it's a separate issue.
05:05<postgres>no, but you'd have to repair those tables for your db-driven website to work properly
05:05<Scurz>so, this is not the cause
05:05<postgres>but it is separate
05:05<Scurz>postgres: yes, sure
05:05<Scurz>I agree
05:06<Ryan52>that reminds me. I've been getting corrupt table errors emailed to me for months...I should go fix those.
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05:06<postgres>notice what I did... I immediately went to the bottom of the file to look at the last few things that happened
05:06<Scurz>how ?
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05:06<Scurz>+to fix the mysql tables
05:06<postgres>no idea
05:07*postgres doesn't use mysql
05:07<postgres>can you guess what I use? :)
05:07<Scurz>postgres :P
05:07<postgres>you called?
05:07<Scurz>postgresql ?
05:07<Ryan52>postgres ftw!
05:07<Scurz>11:05 < postgres> can you guess what I use? :)
05:08<postgres>oh, I mean, yeah! you're right!
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05:16<postgres>anyways... I'm out
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05:16<postgres>final note, I didn't see anything in daemon.log about ssh starting
05:17<Scurz>postgres: ok
05:17<Scurz>I've to go away
05:17<Scurz>see you and thanks
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05:32<tom-bbl>i downloaded debian version 4.0r0 and i assumed the dvds have the source code... but it seems they don't! does anyone have the bittorrent link for debian v4.0r0?
05:32<tom-bbl>i could get v4.0r4a easily enough i guess...
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05:38<Ryan52>tom-bbl: what do you want? you talk about source code, then you ask about bittorrent for a cd you've already downloaded...
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05:51<tom-bbl>i meant the source code dvd sorry, is there a bittorrent link for v4.0r0?
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05:52<Ryan52>tom-bbl: I don't think they make a source dvd...
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05:52<tom-bbl>there is one on the debian web site for the current version
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05:52<tom-bbl>but it looks like they don't have older versions
05:52<Ryan52>so there is
05:53<pumpkin0>tom-bbl: have fun:
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05:55<pumpkin0>tom-bbl: i still wonder why you want the old sources...
05:55<tom-bbl>just to match the binary version i have
05:56<tom-bbl>i guess there wouldn't be that many differences with r4
05:57<pumpkin0>tom-bbl: well then get the current binary and source. It has less bugs and is available form lots of fast servers (and not just snapshots)
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06:00<tom-bbl>yes but i have download limits on my internet
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06:01<tom-bbl>i will wait until there's a version of debian that has an open source java runtime, and kde 4.1
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06:02<pumpkin0>tom-bbl: debian lenny has the opensoucre sun-jvm. It does not get more opensoucre then that ...
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06:04<nomad_cz>Hi. Is it possible to install linux-source - recompile mudules and use one of them in installed kernel image ?
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06:08<tom-bbl>well i installed debian and when i go to a java web page it says plug in required
06:09<tom-bbl>which version is "lenny"?
06:09<tom-bbl>i prefer numbers :P
06:09<defrysk>tom-bbl, did you install icedtea-gcjwebplugin
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06:09<dpkg>rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
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06:10<pumpkin0>tom-bbl: and debian does not install everything with the stock install. you have to install the stuff you want. Sp if you want java, then install java.
06:11<tom-bbl>ok whats the name of the package... apt get ????
06:11<pumpkin0>tom-bbl: like defrysk said: icedtea-gcjwebplugin
06:11<tom-bbl>thanks heaps i will try it
06:12<tom-bbl>sorry i didn't see defrysk's comment
06:12<tom-bbl>i'll try it out
06:12<pumpkin0>tom-bbl: alternative is "java-package" in contrib.
06:13<tom-bbl>can you install both?
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06:13<pumpkin0>tom-bbl: you can but you should not.
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06:16<nomad_cz>Hi. Is it possible to install linux-source - recompile modules and use one of them in installed kernel ? I am getting invalid module format :/
06:21<tom-bbl>i went to the packages web site and icedtea-gcjwebplugin is only available for "lenny" and "sid".... "sid" is version 4 debian right?
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06:27<techbee>hi all
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06:31<slush>tom-bbl: sid is unstable, etch is debian 4.0
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06:35<tom-bbl>can you apt get sid packages and install them onto etch?
06:36<enouf>i mean, some odd ones might work - but for etch do /msg dpkg
06:37<fxiny>where's amphi ?
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06:39<enouf>wrong channel :-P
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06:40<fxiny>enouf: i tought it was NSA chan , that's why i asked about a "where's" :P
06:40<fxiny>enouf: ;))))))))
06:40<enouf>no porbs! :-)
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06:44<tom-bbl>i will wait until the open source java is in the stable distribution
06:44<tom-bbl>and redownload
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06:53*egns saluda a todo dios
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06:54*diluvium test
06:55<diluvium>this is almost outstandingly ugly
06:55<diluvium>intresting though
06:55<diluvium><-- daemon
06:55<diluvium>i decided to reinstall the linux on my EE it came wwith
06:55<diluvium>after several attempts to break through the shell
06:55<diluvium>it seems to be debian?
06:56<jurg>EEE ships with Xandros.
06:56<diluvium>thats what I thought
06:56<diluvium>but it has apt/aptitude and all the other tools and i got debian as a version response
06:57<diluvium>i also got xandros in diffrent places
06:57<jurg>Xandros is based on debian.
06:57<diluvium>where do you guys put rc.conf
06:58<jurg>I don't have one.
06:58<diluvium>i meant generally
06:58<diluvium>im trying to stop fastinit loading kde
06:58<jurg>/etc i guess
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07:05<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'virtualbox-ose-modules' returned no results.
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07:08<fxiny>enouf: ^^^^ must be saturday ;)
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07:13<Tuplad>Hey! I'm using Lenny, I accidently shut down my computer (clicking on a button on my electricity switch) and when I booted up again, my sound doesn't work. I use a "Bus 001 Device 004: ID 041e:3040 Creative Technology, Ltd SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit External SB0490". How can I get my sound back ?
07:14<Tuplad>I get some weird sounds through my pc speaker if I try to play music :\
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07:17<Tuplad>Anyone ? :}
07:18<Tuplad>I'm also not getting any errors or messages, alsamixer doesn't help either.
07:18<tom-bbl>lenny is only beta (testing) software right? unfortunately you might have found a bug?
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07:20<Tuplad>aha I see
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07:20<Tuplad>the computer is recognizing the pc speaker as the default sound system
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07:21<tom-bbl>sorry i can't help...
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07:21<tom-bbl>if you have time maybe download "etch" version of debian and install that
07:21<tom-bbl>that is the "stable" version, and it shouldn't have any problems
07:23<Tuplad>I never had problems with lenny
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07:24<slush>Tuplad: try alsaconf
07:25<kcynice>hi, how to play encrypted dvd on my debian? i tried to install lindvd, but failed
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07:26<kcynice>any other software can?
07:26<Tuplad>slush: I tried "sudo asoundconf list" and "sudo asoundconf set-default-card External" after that. now music players dont give errors, but I still dont hear any sound... it's like my soundcard is broken but that can't be.
07:26<slush>the installation went wrong or the software faild?
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07:27<slush>Tuplad: see if your music player has the correct output device
07:27<kcynice>lindvd installation failed
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07:28<Tuplad>slush: amarok says: xine failed to identify drivers
07:28<Tuplad>I'll try a reboot
07:29<slush>kcynice: as an alternative you could try vlc, or if you want to try to complete the installation of lindvd, tell us what went wrong
07:29<slush>Tuplad: it aint windows ;)
07:29<Tuplad>slush: I know, but it helps :}
07:31<kcynice>slush:someone told me vlc couldn't play encrypted dvd, when i was installing lindvd, it told me libc6 version shouldn't less than 2.4.1
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07:32<slush>kcynice: see if you can upgrade libc6, then
07:33<abrotman>uh .. no
07:34<kcynice>i used apt-cache search libc6 and found the version was like mine
07:34<kcynice>my debian version is stable
07:34<abrotman>do not upgrade your libc6
07:34<abrotman>kcynice: did you try getting packages from debian-multimedia?
07:35<kcynice>i installed lindvd using a deb file. i can't find it on the source server
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07:35<abrotman>you likely don't need it
07:36<dpkg>somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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07:39<kcynice>i have it in my source.list
07:40<abrotman>did you get the w32codecs and libdecss or whatever it is ?
07:42<kcynice>have w32codecs but no libdecss
07:43<abrotman>i don't know what the actual package is .. apt-cache search decss
07:43<kcynice>should be libdvdcss?
07:43<abrotman>i don't use it
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07:45<kcynice>apt-cache search decss found nothing
07:46<kcynice>maybe i should update my debian to testing?
07:46<abrotman>libdvdcss2 i'd guess
07:47<kcynice>yes, i have it installed
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07:52<kcynice>i will try to update my debian to testing
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07:58<Woet>how to remove 'c' from a files permission again?
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08:00<abrotman>uhm .. why?
08:00<abrotman>not you
08:02<kcynice>i updated my system to unstable and installed lindvd successfully
08:02<kcynice>and i can play my encrypted dvd well now. thanks, all
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08:04<fxiny>news news : i successfully upgraded to lenny the very first etch base install image i had , installed immediately at etch release . it seems ok . i accepted aptitude suggestions and wov ! 2.6.26 boots in a gif !
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08:04<fxiny>now i'll try a decent gui env
08:05<Woet>okay, wtf.. I just installed apache2, and it says 'apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory
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08:05<Woet>isnt it supposed to install that for me..?
08:05<Woet>using apt-get installa pache2
08:06<fxiny>upgrading from etch . aptitude kept some etch packages . then at reboot installed lenny versions . seems ok
08:06<fxiny>of course i'm talking base install
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08:08<abrotman>Woet: touch /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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08:12<KillerX>Hello :)
08:13<KillerX>I have compiz activated on a user start up. Compiz is broken and i cant make anything in that user. Can anyone tell me where is the instruction for it to start at the start up??
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08:13<KillerX>i think my prob is that but im not sure
08:14<KillerX>when i make su to that user and open some gui prog (like iceweasel) i get: No protocol specified
08:14<KillerX>Error: cannot open display: :0.0
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08:26<fxiny>hmmm : installing fluxbox won't pull xorg
08:26<abrotman>it shouldn't
08:27<fxiny>yes ?
08:27<fxiny>but xmonad will
08:27<abrotman>fluxbox could be run remotely .. no reason to automatically pull xorg
08:27<abrotman>same with any X apps
08:27<fxiny>abrotman: brilliant !
08:27<abrotman>or should be i'd think
08:28<fxiny>abrotman: i like your explanation
08:28<abrotman>now if only fxiny would file all my email
08:28<fxiny>abrotman: i have an app for it
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08:29<fxiny>abrotman: so easy done and , wow ! gpl : rm abrotman*mail
08:31<fxiny>right . i have an image and saved all debs for another try . can't miss the chanche to be leet^32 isntalling xmonad , over base :)))
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08:32<overflow>fxiny: xmonad + gnome kick ass
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08:33<fxiny>overflow: yes ? good news
08:33<fxiny>installing xorg and xmonad
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08:37<fxiny>overflow: how do you start xmonad ?
08:37<fxiny>save me the google search
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08:39<overflow>fxiny: using gnome-session
08:40<overflow>fxiny: but you need to do some xmonad configuration to work correctly with gnome. I think it will be better if you check xmonad webpage
08:40<askara>I have a small problem with my HDA Intel ICH8 Family sound card from my Medion laptop. So, i search somebody who can help me
08:40<fxiny>hey " someone is unsing xmonad on a mobile :
08:41<fxiny>overflow: i alredy run xmonad from backports on kde/etch , but this is a new install . no kde
08:41<overflow>askara: first try to compile alsa. You can use module-assistant
08:42<overflow>fxiny: I can't access to
08:43<overflow>fxiny: which version is that?
08:43<askara>but alsa is already compiled... I should re-compiled ?
08:43<fxiny>overflow: iirc jps debs
08:43<overflow>askara: which version is that?
08:43<fxiny>overflow: i should have saved 'em somewhere
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08:44<fxiny>but now i want to start xmonad without kdm/gdm
08:44<askara>alsa-base : v1.0.16-2 (synaptic informations)
08:45<overflow>fxiny: using .xinitrc maybe?
08:46<fxiny>overflow: i'm on xmonad home : .xsession
08:46<fxiny>trying it
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08:48<askara>overflow, is not the lastest version ?
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08:49<fxiny>overflow: oh : .xinitrc as well
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08:49<askara>when I shell : "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart", it tell me "No sound card found" but "lspci | grep -i audio" send me a sound card :)
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08:51<overflow>m-a auto-install alsa
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08:53<askara>I read : "use mknod for creating /dev/dsp peripherics dsp, dsp0, dsp1"... because when I shell : ls -l /dev/dsp*" I have : "No such directory"
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08:54<fxiny>hahahah .someone use xmonad in a mobile ... he's the mantainer ;)
08:55<fxiny>man xmonad says all
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08:57<fxiny>overflow: done it :)
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09:03<enouf>fxiny: then there's awesome too ;-)
09:04<fxiny>enouf: yes ! i forgot ! i'll install it
09:05<enouf>fxiny: if i didn't have to go clean out someone's XPoop machine, i'd be here with ya celebrating :-p
09:06<enouf>askara: mknod? no - use /sbin/MAKEDEV
09:06<enouf>askara: and /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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09:06<enouf>askara: and cat /proc/asound/cards
09:06<askara>hum... ok ^^
09:06<fxiny>enouf: xppppppoop users are welcome in BofhLand ;)
09:06<enouf>askara: install alsa-oss
09:07<enouf>fxiny: they smell! :-p
09:07<fxiny>installed dmenu !
09:07<fxiny>ahahahahah amazing this lenny !
09:07<enouf>yesssss </morpheus>
09:08<fxiny>till now everything is fine : excellent !
09:08<askara>enouf, whiteflag:/home/albin# cat /proc/asound/cards || --- no soundcards ---
09:08<fxiny>where are the dd ? f* damn good job !
09:08<enouf>fxiny: "fly like a butterfly ; sting like a bee"
09:08<fxiny>enouf: is really flying
09:09<enouf>askara: so go through the checklist - but i see you did some compiling - oh well
09:09<fxiny>now i'm using dmenu with xmonad : a dream !
09:09<fxiny>but i don't have nothing to run : hahahaahh
09:09<johnny_one>hello, I,m new to this, i just installed lenny on an Acer Aspire One and I'm looking for some basic help, is there a channel for newbies?
09:09<fxiny>this is old etch base , from the very first etch installer
09:09<enouf>fxiny: mplayer? audacious? xine?
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09:10<fxiny>upgraded to lenny : without problems
09:10<fxiny>so happy
09:10<fxiny>enouf: mplayer : i use Saint Marillat debs , don't want more
09:11<enouf>johnny_one: well you can ask new questions, we'll point you to docs many times though ;-) also, "/msg dpkg laptop" and "/msg dpkg grounding"
09:11<enouf>fxiny: aye
09:11<fxiny>enouf: classic :)
09:12<askara>1) alsaconf : already run one time !! // 2) adduser albin audio : user is already in audio group // 3) alsamixer : i can't start alsamixer. // 4) no arts, no esounds // 5) OSS modules : i just installed them... // 6) speaker on : ... on a laptop ! and the problem is not it ! // 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss : ok !! snd-hda-intel too !! // 8) aplay : no sound cards found ^^
09:12<fxiny>this xmonad is fantastic : need to learn a bit of haskell
09:13<enouf>askara: without your card appearing in /proc/asound/cards , reboot
09:13<askara>ok :)
09:13<johnny_one>as my Aspire One only has a ssd harddrive, is swap needed ?
09:13<enouf>askara: i mean - if alsaconf as root does nothing
09:13<fxiny>plan : xmonad . awesome and when drunk : flux . gnome and kde "via" xmonad , and only when very drunk :P
09:13<askara>enouf, alsaconf start, run and found my sound card ...
09:14<enouf>johnny_one: hrm, .. you ccan always make a small swapfile
09:14<fxiny>i might even give up drinking :P
09:14<askara>but nothing work
09:14<enouf>askara: reboot, then come back
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09:14<johnny_one>ah ty
09:15<fxiny>enouf: lemme get a wide screen : icewilly and emacs side by side in a *glamour* A4
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09:16<fxiny>ops : xmms2 ? Dr.Lecter version ? YES ! leaviong dammed etch/gonzo !
09:17<fxiny>enouf: i think i'll have good fun with lenny :)
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09:19<enouf>johnny_one: it would be something like "dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=4M count=50" (create a blank file of 200MB), then "mkswap /swapfile" (generate the swapfile signature) , then "swapon /swapfile" - then you "free" output and "cat /proc/swaps" should show it .. and it's ready to use when the system needs it - now, add an entry to /etc/fstab like this--> /swapfile none swap sw 0 0
09:19<askara>enouf, no soundcard with cat /proc/asound/cards again...
09:20<enouf>askara: ok, well - where did you install alsa too ? and why on earth did you compile it?
09:20<enouf>askara: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base , choose alsa
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09:21<dpkg>hmm... speaker-test is do speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2 to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck>
09:21<Woet>how to remove 'c' off the file permissions?
09:21<enouf>askara: ^^^^^^
09:21<enouf>never seen c
09:22<askara>enouf, i didn't compile alsa :/
09:22<askara>dmesg said : hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS.. and HDA Intel: probe of 0000:00:1b.0 failed with error -16
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09:26<johnny_one>ty enouf - i will try that later
09:27<askara>and, enouf, speaker-test say : ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
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09:27<anonissi1us>wondering, on a headless box, how do I specify the kernel to boot into?
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09:28<petemc>anonissi1us: /boot/grub/menu.lst
09:30<anonissi1us>no grub
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09:30<under>viva il metallo
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09:31<johnny_one>thanx 4 the info's - i will look in later visitors are stopping my computing :(
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09:33<frans13>askara, Unknown model for ALC883 might mean you chose an invalid model= option for snd-hda-intel
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09:36<askara>ok... but in /etc/modprobe.d/sound no option is writted :( so i'll write one, but I don't find the list of available options ;)
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09:39<enouf>askara: i'm not sure what's wrong, but options would be found from a "modinfo snd-hda-intel"
09:39<enouf>askara: try to locate info about your module
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09:39<askara>i find on source of alsa-driver :)
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09:42<enouf>askara: in your BIOS , do you have your onboard audio enabled?
09:43<askara>my soundcard work on windows and worked on ubuntu :)
09:43<askara>so, I think yes
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09:44<enouf>askara: can you show me output of lspci -nn | grep -i audio ?
09:44<enouf>askara: and can you show me output of lspci -nn | grep -i multimedia as well?
09:44<askara>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03)
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09:45<frans13>askara, in ubuntu the model= options for snd-hda-intel are in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz
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09:45<askara>yes I know frans13 ;) thank you ;)
09:46<askara>but I don't know if I am ALC883 or other... and I can't know it ?
09:46<askara>and where my codec is configured ?
09:46<enouf>askara: cat /proc/asound/pcm
09:46<askara>[ 0.672303] PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource #6:20000@e0000000 for 0000:01:00.0 and [ 9.925517] HDA Intel: probe of 0000:00:1b.0 failed with error -16
09:47<askara>enouf, no answer :/
09:47<frans13>askara, you said: dmesg said : hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883
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09:48<askara>frans13, yes and just after : [ 9.856153] hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC268, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
09:49<enouf>not sure how useful, nor how dated this info is ;
09:49<enouf>i have to go though
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09:49<anonissi1us>erm ..
09:49<anonissi1us>never mind that
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09:52<Student>Greetings Every1
09:52<Student>i am looking for a gui based version of PPPD
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09:53<Student>or help solve my problem using the Scripts manualy
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09:53<frans13>askara, if ubuntu live CD works, alsamixer will show you what codec you have
09:54<askara>i'll try
09:54<askara>frans13, humpf... It works but after some configurations too...
09:54<askara>thanks to my laptop chipset :p
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09:55<Student>umm ummm
09:56<Student>any1 plz
09:58<qq>kppp :modem dialer and ppp frontend for KDE
10:00<Student>i am using Gnmoe :(
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10:00<Student>should i install kde now? :(
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10:00<qq>pppconfig - A text menu based utility for configuring ppp
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10:01<infotron>you can install kde apps w/o installing all of kde
10:03<qq>Student: look at Depends: >>> apt-cache show kppp
10:04<Student>umm well
10:04<Student>where can i find pppconfig?
10:04<Student>i am using gnome version
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10:06<qq>apt-get install pppconfig
10:09<abrotman>!why aptitude
10:09<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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10:16<Student>well i don't have pppconfig package available in my system
10:17<qq>how you know that ?
10:19<Student>well using synaptic package manager
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10:21<Student>how is life after reboot?
10:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 338] by debhelper
10:22<askara>cat /proc/asound/cards send me a result now
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10:25<fxiny>Student: you rebooting before or after midninght ? :P
10:25<fxiny>so . my lenny install goes very well : xmms2 runs fine , icewilly is ok . time for a break
10:26<Student>i have no idea
10:26<Student>but no 1 is helping me :(
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10:27<Student>how can i find where is the GUI based tool installed on my system?
10:28<petemc>dpkg -L package
10:28<dpkg>ii package 1.4-4.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
10:28<fxiny>Student: using gnome ? install gnome graphical login manager >> gdm
10:28*petemc reads back
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10:28<Student>i am using Gnome , using synaptic package manager it says Network manager is installed on my system
10:29<Student>but when i don't know where to find the Network Manager
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10:30<erKURITA>what do you need the Network Manager for?
10:30<Student>:)) well that will open a new pandora box
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10:33<kingsley_>Which variant of the 3D game "quake" has the best support for centralized servers and multiple players?
10:33<c4_t>FAT: codepage cp850 not found
10:33<erKURITA>Open Arena ?
10:33<c4_t>that`s a kernel thing?
10:33<erKURITA>not to you
10:34<c4_t>how do i mount that codepage 850 file system?
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10:35<c4_t>i've made #mkfs.vfat /dev/usbpendrive and when i mount it, it complains with that: ...FAT: codepage cp850 not found
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10:37<c4_t>mmhh... the correct way to say it is i've done it
10:38<erKURITA><c4_t> i've made #mkfs.vfat /dev/usbpendrive and when i mount it, it complains with that: ...FAT: codepage cp850 not found <= chances are it's corrupt ?
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10:41<petemc>that doesnt seem like anything to do with corruption
10:41<askara>good bye
10:41<askara>thanks for your help
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10:42<c4_t>petemc, erKURITA: I've run dd /dev/zero /dev/... NO!
10:42<c4_t>i've set that in kernel config
10:42<petemc>c4_t: you can specify charsets at mount time
10:43<petemc>try utf8
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10:43<c4_t>oh! okok
10:43<c4_t>let's see
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10:48<c4_t>mkpartfs 1 vfat <-- GRRR how is the name of fat32?
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10:48<c4_t> is fat32!! damn standars!
10:49<c4_t>File system type? [ext2]?
10:50<c4_t>may between "
10:50<c4_t>it worked! mazie
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10:52<c4_t>what should i put in START for parted? 0 or 1, and the end? i don`t know in BLOCKS is a pendrive 4GB
10:52<c4_t>what shoul be the last block?
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11:03<c4_t>petemc erKURITA: i have no fat16 support!!!
11:03<erKURITA>are you serious?
11:04<erKURITA>c4_t fdisk <device> then hit l
11:04<erKURITA>as root
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11:11<fxiny>c4_t: apt-cache policy dosfstools
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11:13<erKURITA>fxiny I don't have that
11:13<fxiny>erKURITA: you want that for fat support in parted
11:14<erKURITA>oh ok
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11:17<buffoon>hi, i just got a kernel panic but don't know why... in which logs should i look for? Already tried syslog and messages but there was nothing logged about that kernel panic
11:17<fxiny>at boot ?
11:18<buffoon>no, while playing around with google earth
11:18<buffoon>system was up for ~5h
11:19<buffoon>i'm on sid btw
11:20<buffoon>well, I'm upgrading the kernel now, maybe that helps...
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11:23<c4_t>erKURITA: i can see the device and the partition in /dev/sdc with fdisk; but i cant mount it because: mount /dev/sdc /mnt/a/dev/sdc1 1 1018 3913161 e W95 FAT16 (LBA)
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11:24<erKURITA>read what fxiny wrote
11:24<c4_t>erKURITA: what should be the "t" of fdisk options listed with the "l"?
11:24<erKURITA>changing the partition's id ?
11:25<c4_t>yes, what should i use for a bootable pendrive?
11:25<erKURITA>those are way too different concepts
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11:25<c4_t>cause it has FAT16 FAT16 < 32 FAT... lots of them
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11:29<c4_t>erKURITA: i have an idea... ill get a bootable image and then listed with the "p" option of fdisk, so ill get the correct code for a bootable partition
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11:31<chowderandeggs>can anyone help me set up vpn server?
11:34<qq>!tell chowderandeggs about ask
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11:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:36<RudyValencia>How do Linux tty consoles work on computers that don't have a native textmode (that is, nothing like 80x25 VGA text mode)?
11:37<abrotman>why wouldn't they have a text mode?
11:37<weasel>and even if not, why would that be a problem?
11:37<weasel>framebuffer isn't exactly using textmode either AIUI
11:37<RudyValencia>I see.
11:38<RudyValencia>Instead of a hardware textmode like on VGA, the framebuffer is used.
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11:38<RudyValencia>That was what I wasn't sure of.
11:39<RudyValencia>I was thinking of modes where each byte in the video memory represents a character, not a pixel.
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11:40<RudyValencia>I was wondering what happened if hardware support for such a mode was not supported.
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11:44<c4_t>erKURITA: i have codepage 850 in kernel, what else is needed, some files? if i don`t use 850 it doesn`t shou me the correct "latinamerican" chars
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11:46<Gekz>you want UTF-8.
11:46<c4_t>you mean recompile the kernel with utf8?
11:47<Gekz>which it already has.
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11:48<c4_t>ok, so in the option: where is 437 (default) replace for utf8 instead of 850 and thats all?
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12:02<Chewy>I'm missing DirectoryIndex in my apache2.conf, anyone know where I can add it? :X
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12:05<SSE|Pliqui>good morning all
12:06<sniggels>good morning
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12:07<sniggels>which irc client has more options/gui in debian oter than xchat ?
12:07<dmoerner>sniggels, xchat is very nice. you could try konversation if you use kde
12:07<SSE|Pliqui>guys, if its possible to install lenny amd64 with a SATA cd/dvd rom?
12:07<sniggels>nah gnome
12:08<sniggels>probably possible
12:08<Chewy>i added DirectoryIndex index.php
12:08<Chewy>didnt work
12:08<dmoerner>SSE|Pliqui, yes, why wouldn't it be?
12:08<Chewy>any ideas?
12:09<SSE|Pliqui>the installation cannot mount the dvd
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12:09<sniggels>does it boot ?
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12:10<dmoerner>sniggels, xchat is the canonical gnome irc client. you are out of luck if you insist on a gnome irc client, non-cli, qwith more features
12:10<SSE|Pliqui>i had this issue last year when i tried it, i thought could be solve, but its have to be with libata.atapi_enabled=0 and should be 1
12:10<SSE|Pliqui>yes its boot
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12:11<dmoerner>SSE|Pliqui, you can pass those parameters to the installer on the boot commandline
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12:11<padski>Chewy, man a2enmod
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12:11<SSE|Pliqui>yup, but nothing
12:11<sniggels>ok, I guess i'll stick with it
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12:12<sniggels>I don't want to be annoying with questions, but is there a network traffic analyzer that be used as a gadged on my desktop, kind of like ram/cpu monitor but with ip addresses, dns requests, etc...
12:13<SSE|Pliqui>says " unknown boot opion libata.atapi_enabled=1"
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12:15<dmoerner>SSE|Pliqui, that certainly is the correct way to do it though
12:15<dmoerner>is this etch or lenny?
12:17<s3a>does any1 no how to make clicking windows not open a new window but change the window like for example wen i go in computer then filesystem, i want all that to be done on 1 window
12:18<dpkg>*** any1: No such nick/channel
12:18*abrotman isn't going to bother with the rest of that .. it's a mess
12:18<sniggels>s3a: desktop, preferences, file management, behaviour
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12:20<s3a>sniggels, thanks for answering but the always open in browser windows is not checked, do i have to check that?
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12:22<SSE|Pliqui>i guess is something about the nv_sil and the amd64 kernel, but i manage to install it the last year with a cd rom from my dads pc and couldn't use the sata drive, but debian recognize it
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12:25<s3a>i had a problem apt-get dist-upgrading that didn't work until I manually installed the package evolution-common then did the apt-get dist-upgrade command again, my question is: do I file the bug report as package "evolution-common" or as "base"?
12:27<stevecotton>why do you think that evolution-common is the package that broke it?
12:28<s3a>stevecotton, bcuz its the only package that after multiple apt-get dist-upgrades on 2 different comps on two different architectures didn'
12:29<s3a>download correctly and got stuck at 99%
12:29<Chewy>what can i use to unrar via ssh? unrar-free fails for me..
12:29<s3a>and then said error and sometimes even sum hash stuff
12:30<stevecotton>where was apt trying to download it from, and which site did you use to download it successfully?
12:30<s3a>stevecotton, i tried 3 different mirrors, each had a problem
12:30<s3a>stevecotton, unless i manually apt-get installed evolution-common
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12:37<SSE|Pliqui>thanks everyone for the help, i found a solution, i have to install it with and IDE drive, then load the libata atapi_enabled=1 parameter into modprobe.d
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12:40<s3a>stevecotton, so is it evolution-common, base, or apt?
12:42<stevecotton>s3a: write the complete bug report, with enough information for someone to replicate it. Then post the most important sentence to the channel and ask; or pastebin the complete report and ask.
12:42<stevecotton>I'd have to ask for a lot more information, and it's easier for you to work out what's relevant than for me to keep asking (so, which mirrors etc).
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12:48<sgt105>nån som vet hur jag får bort debian? det blev lite klantigt när jag skulle installera för första gången
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12:49<dpkg>from memory, se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (
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12:56<trash45>Hi, I'm trying to include an init script into a Debian Live CD. The section about boot scripts in the official manual seems to bo uncomplete about that, any piece of advice to that cleanly ?
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12:57<panthera>trash45: just put it into config/chroot_local-includes/etc/init.d/
12:57<panthera>trash45: there's nothing special about it..
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13:02<trash45>panthera: OK that's I'va done, I put a "INIT INFO" header into my init script, but what about rc symlinks to start it automatically ?
13:02<Chewy>how do you load apache modules?
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13:03<padski>Chewy, man a2enmod
13:03<dario>hi all
13:04<panthera>trash45: if you want them, just put them as includes too.
13:04<padski>Chewy, maybe apache2ctl configtest && /etc/init.d/apache2 reload after that.
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13:05<trash45>panthera: ok thank you for your answer !
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13:09<Ryan52>Chewy: what are you doing?
13:09<Ryan52>Chewy: *Please* do not ask the same question in multiplt channels
13:09<Ryan52>Chewy: if you dont get a response after 20 minutes in one, move on to another, maybe.
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13:21<SkinWaLKeR>alguien puede decirme un sitio para actualizar el repo de debian?
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13:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:26<SkinWaLKeR>ok, thanks
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14:22<Oti>hello everybody
14:23<Oti>I install ndiswrapper to let my WLAN work, but iwlist scan don't show wlan0
14:24<Oti>the ndiswrapper -m show that the driver is installed and is present
14:24<simonrvn>gotta set it up too
14:25<Oti>how can i do this?
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14:26<simonrvn>either use network-manager or add it manually to /e/n/interfaces
14:27<Oti>the network manager don't show me the wlan adapter
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14:29<Oti>simonrvn: in the interfaces file can I not found wlan0 !?!
14:30<Oti>or do you mean, I have to write this down
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14:32<simonrvn>you add it, like i said.
14:32<simonrvn>simonrvn> either use network-manager or add it manually to /e/n/interfaces
14:32<Oti>I try it ...
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14:38<Oti>hey, can you say me what I have to write into interfaces :'(
14:38<Oti>I can't find a howto to do this
14:39<newsense>Oti: man interfaces
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14:44<Dma>Hello. Is there any bash command to read something from stdin (like read) but that doesn't show the input on the screen. I want to read a password into a variable, actually
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14:51<Oti>simonrvn: can you make a cat please
14:51<Oti>I'm a newbie and its a little bit difficult for me
14:51<simonrvn>man interfaces dude
14:52<Oti>is not better than man interfaces
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14:58<Oti>can everybody tellme how to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file to let start my Wlan, Please!
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14:58<chowderandeggs>nano /etc/network/interfaces
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15:00<chowderandeggs> check that out
15:01<snakeacid>hi al i am a new debian user i have a geforce 7900 gs nvidiacard can anyone help me what driver i need and how to install?
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15:13<Oti>hm...the description was fine, but thats not work by me
15:15<erKURITA>snakeacid go to the nvidia site, download the driver. Then download your current kernel headers, symlink them to /usr/src/linux, then run the package you got from nVidia
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15:22<compaq>erKURITA, I wouldn't do it that way
15:23<compaq>well, I mean, can he just dpkg-reconfigure?
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15:25<erKURITA>compaq nope
15:25<erKURITA>if he wants DRI, that is
15:25<abrotman>he shouldn't do that
15:25<abrotman>!tell snakeacid about nvidia one-liner
15:27<compaq>erKURITA, but, the driver, he can apt-get it either, he has to get it from their site, and build a kernel, there isn't a package already?
15:27<erKURITA>that's messy...
15:27<erKURITA>there's xserver-video-nvidia, I think
15:27<erKURITA>but it doesn't support DRI
15:27<erKURITA>at least not as good as the propietary
15:27<compaq>oh, what is that btw?
15:27*erKURITA gets 82 FPS in sauer
15:28<erKURITA>Direct Rendering
15:28<abrotman>erKURITA: it's the correct way .. if he does it your way .. every time the kernel/xorg changes .. his X will die a horrible death
15:28<erKURITA>3D, in layman terms
15:28<compaq>so, nvidia writes linux drivers for us eh, thats cool
15:28<erKURITA>abrotman much like it does mine
15:28<erKURITA>but that's if you change your kernel everytime a new one is avaliable
15:29<abrotman>erKURITA: uhm .. that's why not to use it
15:29<abrotman>compaq: yes .. but they're a royal pain in the ass
15:29<snakeacid>i try this 1 time already start in bash but somthink goes wrong at reeboot grub boot loader says error 17 and can not boot
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15:29<erKURITA>that's why to use it if you don't want to change your kernel so often
15:29<compaq>ati is best?
15:29<erKURITA>compaq you wish
15:29<abrotman>yay intel!
15:30<abrotman>erKURITA: that's a really dumb way to look at it
15:30<compaq>why, my dad isn't ati hehe, I was just getting an idea?
15:30<erKURITA>I spent 2 and a half year trying to get an ATI Radeon 9250 to get DRI
15:30<erKURITA>and no way to get it to work
15:30<abrotman>uhm .. it works fine .. no drivers from needed
15:30<abrotman>the radeon driver in xorg gives you DRI
15:30<abrotman>and has for years
15:30<erKURITA>it has not
15:31<abrotman>it does too
15:31<erKURITA>now it does
15:31<abrotman>has for years
15:31<erKURITA>but it didn't use to
15:31<erKURITA>get yourself an ATI 9250
15:31<erKURITA>and try it
15:31<abrotman>i don't have to
15:31<compaq>yeah they a cheapos, I bought one and then they said its only our chip and not their card. But it lasting long, but was very great for graphics, I mean it was good but not $100 good
15:31<abrotman>erKURITA: man radeon .. read for yourself
15:31<erKURITA>then don't tell me it hasn't been supported for ages since you've never had one
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15:32<abrotman>wait .. because i can read .. it makes my information wrong?
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15:33<erKURITA>there's a difference between trying and experiment
15:33<erKURITA>a very fundamental one
15:33<snakeacid>how to link the headers ?
15:33<abrotman>the 9250 is a hopped up 7xxx IIRC .. which has had 3d support in linux "forever"
15:33<erKURITA>snakeacid ln -s
15:34<erKURITA>75 if I recall correctly
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15:34<NotoriuStyle>hy guyz ... need some help with azureus: "StartServer ERROR: unable to bind to for passed torrent info"
15:34<compaq>I had radeon 7000
15:35<abrotman>too bad the xorg website is utterly impossible to find anything useful
15:36<erKURITA>NotoriuStyle check port 6880 is not being used or it's not a service port
15:36<NotoriuStyle>haw can i do this ?
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15:37<erKURITA>the first: nestat | grep 6680
15:37<erKURITA>the second, grep 6680 /etc/services
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15:38<NotoriuStyle>ok ... done both steps
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15:44<compaq>NotoriuStyle, so was it being used or was it a service port?
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15:45<NotoriuStyle>it didn't get anything ...
15:45<NotoriuStyle>*I didn't get anything
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15:45<jeflui>hi all, error: linux/module.h: No such file or directory ? module.h is in the headers
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15:46<compaq>NotoriuStyle, hey, irc is the fastest way to download I found. I go to criten and I get over 500mb/s, even if I ftp between two computer beside each other I can only go a bit faster
15:46<NotoriuStyle>yeah i know ...
15:46<NotoriuStyle>but i have access to private trackers so i can get the same speed
15:46<compaq>NotoriuStyle, can you tell me then, some other fast nets on irc, cause criten is the only one I know about these days
15:47<compaq>whats private trackers?
15:47<NotoriuStyle>uhm private trackers are private torrent sites
15:47<compaq>what about some other fast irc nets
15:47<compaq>besides criten
15:48<NotoriuStyle>i think i can't help u coz i look only for italian filez :)
15:49<compaq>ooooh, man...I used to love italian movies when I was a kid, heheh
15:49<NotoriuStyle>oh LoL :9
15:49<compaq>horny kid that is...I think it is in the water in canada
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15:50<NotoriuStyle>double removal org.gudy.azureus2.core3.util.StringInterner$WeakStringEntry h=-1;s=138 null
15:50<NotoriuStyle>i hate azureus LoL
15:50<erKURITA>NotoriuStyle, hey, irc is the fastest way to download I found. I go to criten and I get over 500mb/s <= 500 mb/s ? What have you got, fiber'
15:50<compaq>I like the spring water from Italy. I had some bad heart burn for days, from being feed some poison of poo or pee or God knows what, and I bought an Italian spring water bottle, and took one sip...instant relief
15:51<NotoriuStyle>Cable bro erKurita :)
15:51<NotoriuStyle>only 10 mb/sec
15:51<compaq>erKURITA, I know..I couldn't believe it either, but it is true. I am there right now, I bet its still like that. I guess maybe my neighbor is serving, or maybe the net is run from my isp
15:51<erKURITA>it has to be a LAN connection
15:51<compaq>erKURITA, Those guys at my ISP are some bad motherfukers
15:52<compaq>Yeah, Canada has a very good internet
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15:52<compaq>Its is cable, over the tv cable
15:52<NotoriuStyle>same here
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15:52<erKURITA>You're talking about megabits per second, right?
15:52<NotoriuStyle>but i'm not using italy providers
15:52<compaq>It is lan. Like, my IP is dynamically allocated, but it is always same address for last five years
15:52<NotoriuStyle>*italian providers
15:53<NotoriuStyle>nope ... it's 10 MB/sec
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15:53<compaq>erKURITA, yeah exactly. Like I can download a 700mb movie, ie size of a cd, in like 10mins
15:53<erKURITA>okay then
15:53<compaq>Incredible eh
15:53<erKURITA>I can do that too, with my 3 Mbps DSL line
15:53<NotoriuStyle>i usually download one in about 202 seconds :)
15:54<NotoriuStyle>not kidding XD
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15:54<compaq>gigairc used to be fast for indian movies, but then they started asking for money and then they disappeared. I mean they wanted to $15/mo, but you can rent indian dvd's from the indian store for just $2. It still is saving, but, I am downloading and watching on my computer cause I can't afford to rent
15:55<compaq>man...some crazy fishy business in Canada. You can't live here peacefully if you are not gay. They did so much disgusting stuff to, all around town, so many people, everywhere I go.
15:55<compaq>I ate so much nasty shit in my life
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15:56<compaq>I am glad about Koran though, cause God gonna burn the gays
15:56<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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15:57<NotoriuStyle>LoL ok ... i haven't fixed the error yet : StartServer ERROR: unable to bind to for passed torrent info
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16:01<erKURITA>compaq overkill, dude
16:01<compaq>erKURITA, not if you went through what I do, we are on #debian-offtopic, they are grilling me over there
16:03<erKURITA>then keep it there then, try to stay as much on topic as possible here
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16:03<compaq>yeah, I was already told idiot
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16:20<panagos>hello people. i've noticed that gtk apps (e.g. iceweasel) have a different look when started from a gnome session than from a kde one. how can i have the gnome look in a kde session?
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16:22<erKURITA>panagos it all depends on the desktop manager
16:23<panagos>erKURITA: what do you mean by desktop manager? could you point me to some relevant URL? :)
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16:24<erKURITA>the desktop manager is the application that manages all those windows you see. That's Gnome or KDE, for example
16:25<panagos>erKURITA: you mean the window manager?
16:25<erKURITA>it's the same thing, different words
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16:25<erKURITA>anyway, it's saturday in the night
16:26<erKURITA>off I go
16:26<panagos>if i run metacity --replace inside a KDE session, i still don't get the gnome look on iceweasel... :S
16:26<snakeacid>how can i test nvidia driver wörks ?
16:27<compaq>In linux world there is desktop environments, that Gnome and KDE, and there are less featured, desktop managers, that fluxbox, xfce and others, and then there is the basic Display manager, that is the main thing that control basic X, and then the desktop manager or environment runs too
16:27<panagos>snakeacid: glxinfo|grep dir
16:27<jughead>has anyone successfully built the m560x module?
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16:27<panagos>snakeacid: will give a hint :)
16:28<compaq>panagos, In gnome iceweasel looks nicer than in KDE, but KDE's konqueror is nice, but not full featured for like hotmail, of gmail
16:28<snakeacid>thx panagos
16:28<dmoerner>compaq, no. fluxbox is not a desktop manager. it is a window manager. you could call rox a desktop manager
16:28<compaq>dmoerner, your kidding...there is a third distinction too
16:29<panagos>so a desktop manager is, like, a process? some set of env. variables?
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16:29<snakeacid>glxinfo|grep dir the bash says command not found?
16:29<jughead>a whole collection of applications that make the computer nice to use
16:29<panagos>snakeacid: do you have glxgears?
16:29<mahesh>in a slower system with low memory what may be done to make debian run faster?
16:30<panagos>snakeacid: install mesa-utils
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16:30<compaq>yeah, thats what I meant, there is Desktop environment-KDE/GNOME, window managers-fluxbox/xfce, and then the basic display managers, which bother desktops and windows use, like gdm/xdm/kdm...
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16:30<jughead>xfce is a desktop enviro.
16:30<compaq>mahesh, not much
16:30<panagos>so how can i make iceweasel look like in gnome?
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16:31<compaq>jughead, are you sure, ok, replace xfce with enlightenment in the above statement I made
16:31<compaq>panagos, it looks a bit nicer in gnome than in KDE, a new interface
16:32<compaq>newer, I think at least, let me check again
16:32<newsense>pango maybe try to find a gtk theme that looks like gnomes at
16:32<mahesh>compaq: nothing like stoping some not so important services?
16:32<jughead>anytime that I've installed xfce it's come with a file-manager and panel and all the good stuff that you expect with a desktop env.
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16:33<jughead>I might be wrong though
16:33<panagos>newsense: can't i use gnome's themes inside kde?
16:33<newsense>i dont think so
16:33<newsense>if its gtk i guess ya could
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16:34<panagos>newsense: i thought that the contents of a window (not the border etc) are entirely controlled by the app, what does the desktop manager have to do with it?
16:35<jughead>compaq What do you know about the m560x module?
16:35<dmoerner>panagos, you can set the gtk2 themes, if you are using kde then i'd recommend using gtk-qt-engine as a frontend\
16:35<newsense>panagos: many use systems gtk theme
16:35<newsense>many apps
16:36<compaq>actually, I was mistaken, it looks same in both, it just looks less nice in KDE, cause KDE is more nicer looking
16:36<compaq>jughead, no idea
16:37<snakeacid>i have installed already nvidia stuff i think i have to conf. the xorg think
16:37<compaq>mahesh, maybe, dunno, I used to try the light weight window managers, but then even mozilla used some heavy packages, and so I was running text internet, which isn't fun. But this was ages ago, you can pick up decent machines that can run all the new stuff for $40 even
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16:38<nvz>How do I setup so that my NTFS partition shows up on the desktop in GNOME?
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16:38<mahesh>snakeacid: are u using lenny?
16:38<compaq>jughead, but you can't put things on the desktop in xfce or do drag and drop, can you? I think that is when it becomes a desktop environment
16:39<snakeacid>no etch
16:39<nvz>I have it all setup with fuse and fstab so I can mount/unmount it as my user
16:39<compaq>jughead what is the hurdle you are facing. Driver?
16:39<compaq>mahesh, you can you make a shortcut, just like in Windows
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16:39<snakeacid>my packed manager says i have installed NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-amd64
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16:40<snakeacid>so what i have to do now
16:40<mahesh>cmopaq: shortcut to what?
16:40<nvz>yeah I know that. but I was trying to integrate it with gnome properly
16:40<nvz>cause they have a disk mounter applet and it shows in there, but doesn't mount/unmount properly, and it also shows up in "computer" but doesn't bring up the files when you click on it
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16:41<nvz>doing it with a link works, but it makes a bunch of things in gnome that seem like teh more obvious way to access it not work
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16:41<compaq>mahesh, to your ntfs drive, c'mon
16:42<compaq>mahesh, oh, it was someone else asking
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16:43<panagos>seems gtk-qt-engine does the trick, thanks!
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16:43<nvz>oh well I'll just create a link on the desktop as root so that it can't be removed by accident
16:44<snakeacid>how can i see what a graphik driver i use in moment?
16:44<nvz>once its mounted auto by fstab it shows it owned as the user cause of the uid option in fstab, but the link will not be removable as the user
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16:44<compaq>mahesh, so what kind of computer you have?
16:46<mahesh>compaq: Its not for me. my college is having p3 256mb systems, i installed lenny, removing redhat 5, and they are now working slow! :(
16:46<compaq>mahesh, you should install stabe then
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16:46<mahesh>i guessed
16:47<compaq>p3 800mhz is fast enough, its the minimum though, well you can get away with 128mb, but you need at least 800mhz
16:48<mahesh>dont remeber the speed
16:48<upsilon>you could use something more lightweight than gnome or kde if you use one of those
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16:49<compaq>Hey, anyone wanna know the secret to success to life in democratic societies, come to #debian-offtopic
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16:50<compaq>upsilon, but what about mozilla, you need kde or gnome to run it, no? or some libraries
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16:50<petemc>compaq: you're still spouting that same bullshit i see
16:50<linfan>hm, i thought i'd be in dreamlinux
16:50<upsilon>mozilla isn't related to either afaik
16:51<compaq>petemc, yes
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16:52<compaq>petemc, what do you mean? Its not bull, its the truth, 100%
16:52<compaq>I bear withness
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16:53<insigne>someone ?
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16:54<insigne>w r u ?
16:54<compaq>i m c
16:55<compaq>u r w?
16:55<compaq>u r i i g
16:55<insigne>montreal ?: im são paulo
16:55<mahesh>has anyone tried installing gtk+ 2.12, glib 2.16 in etch?
16:55<compaq>Toronto, town of the gay
16:56<insigne>r u ? im not
16:56<weasel>this is #debian. and the language is english.
16:56<compaq>i no gay
16:57<insigne>i think weasel is
16:57<compaq>heheheh, gross
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16:57<mahesh>thanks weasel
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16:59<mahesh>has anyone tried installing gtk+ 2.12, glib 2.16 in etch?
16:59<weasel>that's probably a stupid idea.
17:00<weasel>so not many are likely to live to tell
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17:02<mahesh>jughead: try this for m560x,
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17:03<mahesh>also this:
17:04<mahesh>weasel: ya.. i too couldn. may i know why.
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17:16<oscar>como actualizo el mozilla
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17:29<vadim>hi everyone. Need help with my rhythmbox - it hangs while i'm trying to scroll the list of artists. Why can it be so?
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17:32<snakeacid>hi al back again i think i get my geforce working when i boot and i see nvidia logo right so i think the card works fine
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17:38<snakeacid>a question is firefox and iceweasel same just divrent name or what is a good suprtet webbrowser
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17:40<NooBi3>snakeacid: that's what i hear people saying iceweasel and firefox is the same.
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17:41<snakeacid>ok i just try to install the plugins flash player and such stuff
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17:41<tlmiller>I am very happy with the debian product today. I've successfully installed on a 4 disk raid1 /boot and raid10 / ! (hopefully kudos to the debian support people are not off topic and worthless banter)
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17:42<NooBi3>snakeacid: you tried and didn't succeed?
17:42<snakeacid>i just read in moment becaus ei have to do manual install
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17:45<snakeacid>is ther eno mulrimedia package for debian etch? what i just can eas yinstall?
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17:45<NooBi3>i was wondering: is there any site i can download nice online games for linux?
17:47<snakeacid>under google are alot games :) its up what you looking for
17:47<NooBi3>great! :)
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17:54<panagos>can anyone help me with my onboard sound card?
17:56<NooBi3>panagos: did u try the alsaconf command already?
17:56<panagos>NooBi3: yeah...
17:57<NooBi3>panagos: hum... what debian are you using?
17:57<panagos>NooBi3: testing amd64
17:58<panagos>the only one that work with my sata controller
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17:59<panagos>i generally have the feeling that autodetection does not work, e.g. i had to manually load psmouse!
18:00<NooBi3>i'm using a 32 bit processor and also debian etch
18:01<NooBi3>i'm afraid i can't help too much. did you "google" about it already?
18:01<panagos>NooBi3: i did, didn't find anything useful
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18:02<panagos>NooBi3: i'm also on dualboot, and it's working with winxp
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18:03<NooBi3>panagos: oh... it had to be working
18:03<NooBi3>panagos: you did alsaconf as root?
18:03<panagos>NooBi3: yes
18:04<NooBi3>panagos: and what was it's return? found any sound card?
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18:05<panagos>NooBi3: it found it, it showed up in the menu, it all seemed to go on perfectly, but then amixer failed
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18:06<NooBi3>panagos: "amixer" is the same of "alsamixer"?
18:06<NooBi3>try "sudo alsamixer"
18:07<panagos>NooBi3: no
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18:07<panagos>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
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18:07<NooBi3>panagos: damn =/
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18:09<panagos>oops, sorry, i disconnected :|
18:09<NooBi3>panagos: don't worry :)
18:09<panagos>seems also that the alsa-utils initscript tries to run amixer about 20 times, and it prints the help message about 20 times...
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18:10<NooBi3>panagos: did u reset the computer after configuring the sound card with alsaconf?
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18:11<panagos>NooBi3: i did the last time
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18:15<panagos>NooBi3: amixer says: invalid card number, when run from the initscript
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18:18<NooBi3>panagos: i don't know what could be. i'd recommend you try to creating a topic about it in the debian lenny forum
18:19<panagos>NooBi3: emm, didn't know about that forum! what is its URL? :)
18:20<NooBi3>panagos: it's a debian-general-versions forum, hehe :P
18:20<snakeacid>i want install flashplayer but get error message : Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Adobe Flash Player installer. what can i do?
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18:21<NooBi3>snakeacid: did you google about it already? i have a feeling if i search for it i'll found tons of tutorials
18:23<NooBi3>snakeacid: didn't i say? ->
18:23<snakeacid>thx NooBi3
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18:23<NooBi3>snakeacid: :)
18:24<Jubarte>eae galera h4k3r
18:24<snakeacid>i google alot today to get my nvidia card going :)
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18:24<Jubarte>google is the best
18:24<NooBi3>certainly :D
18:25<Jubarte>any thing in seconds man
18:25<Jubarte>its incredible !!
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18:25<NooBi3>everybody loves google :)
18:26<snakeacid>i dont love it but its a good helping think i know
18:27<Jubarte>whereś the channel of brazilian linux users
18:27<NooBi3>Jubarte: debian-br
18:28<NooBi3>Jubarte: not brazilian linux users but brazilian debian users :P
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18:29<Jubarte>i use big linux
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18:29<Jubarte>very smart
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18:31<Jubarte>debian is to réquers
18:31<NooBi3>Jubarte: haha
18:32<NooBi3>Jubarte: so in the future you'll be one 'cuz as far as i know Big Linux is a debian-based
18:32<NooBi3>or ubuntu-based, don't remember
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18:33<Jubarte>big linux is debian-based .. itś true
18:33<panagos>NooBi3: err, where is the lenny thread in the forum? :|
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18:34<snakeacid>ok easy going much mor ei use debian much mor i like it lol
18:34<Jubarte>big recogneize all of my hardware and net connection in two times !! great
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18:35<NooBi3>Jubarte: yea! i found the channel for ya. the server is and the channel is #linux-br
18:35<Jubarte>freenode ???? whatś network
18:36<NooBi3>panagos: i told ya it's a debian-general-versions forum. just post your problem in the Hardware section
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18:45<NooBi3>cya ;)
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18:48<vadim>hi everyone. Just installed amule and have a problem - it refuses to retrieve server list. What can i do about it?
18:48<petemc>rent a dvd, listen to the radio
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19:37<NotoriuStyle>hy guyz ... i have still the same problem with azureus: "StartServer ERROR: unable to bind to for passed torrent info"
19:37<NotoriuStyle>who can help me plz ?
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19:38<Ryan52>NotoriuStyle: I have no clue. but googling it looks promising...
19:39<NotoriuStyle>i googled :) otherwise i wouldn't ask here :)
19:39<Ryan52>did you look at
19:39<Ryan52>it explains it
19:39<tlmiller>NotoriuStyle, well is the port listening in your netstat output?
19:39<NotoriuStyle>i used netstat command
19:39<NotoriuStyle>but i didn't get any info
19:40<tlmiller>netstat -a didn't produce /any/ info?
19:40<tlmiller> err.. -an rather
19:40<NotoriuStyle>nope ... someone else suggested me to write something different
19:40<tlmiller>Hi Ryan52, I pestered you the other night about RAID. I got it going today
19:41<NotoriuStyle>it gives me a list
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19:41<Ryan52>tlmiller: sweet!
19:41<tlmiller>NotoriuStyle, look for 6880
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19:41<NotoriuStyle>it isn't listed
19:42<tlmiller>Ryan52, mdadm shows healthy devices. I was about to pump some data on the arrays but I launched gparted and he shows weirdness.
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19:42<tlmiller>I've been poking google to see if gparted is just ignorant to md devices, thus far.
19:43<Ryan52>tlmiller: did you use the installers raid?
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19:44<tlmiller>Ryan52, yes, downloaded a daily build from Aug., 29th and did everything in there. Set up 3 partitions per each of my 4 disks. Set them all to RAID Volumes then created the MD's in the installer too.
19:44<Ryan52>and you used raid10?
19:44<Ryan52>from the installer?
19:45<Ryan52>did you make an installation report? I haven't seen one...
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19:45<Ryan52>though I dont pay much attention...
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19:45<tlmiller>I used RAID1 for /boot at ~300MB on each of the 4 volumes. Then Raid10 for /swap and /
19:45<tlmiller>four drives, each with 3 partitions each
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19:46<tlmiller>I didn't make an installation report. Don't even know what that is. I'm in xchat on the system right now so... it works.
19:48<NotoriuStyle>nothing .... 6880 is not listed :(
19:48<Ryan52>netstat -an
19:48<Ryan52>that will give you numbers
19:48<Ryan52>oh, nevermind, you said that. :P
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19:49<NotoriuStyle>i get IPs
19:49<tlmiller>You should get IP's and ports
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19:49<NotoriuStyle>but there isn't 6880
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19:50*alphad is away: Screenshot of Elive:
19:51<weasel>alphad: turn that off.
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19:51<alphad>excuse me first run on test
19:52<postgres>Hi, I'm setting up grub on a laptop with an external drive, and I need to know how to point things like update-grub to a custom location
19:52<postgres>since my grub dir isn't and will not be in /boot
19:52<tlmiller>NotoriuStyle, per a google hit: IPV6 support can be disabled by adding "" to the command line
19:53<Ryan52>postgres: umm...why not?
19:53<postgres>long story... can we get to that after I've accomplished getting this thing to boot properly?
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19:54<weasel>don't use update-grub then
19:54<NotoriuStyle>@tlmiller ... have I to use it as a command or to add it into a file ?
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19:54<postgres>weasel: not a convenient option :P
19:55<postgres>I know it's possible, support me rather than interrogate me
19:55<tlmiller>NotoriuStyle, I'd assume you use it as an arg to the command, in a terminal window.
19:55*alphad is back (gone 00:05:42)
19:55<postgres>I just need to know how to repoint it
19:56*alphad is away: far from computer, BBL
19:56<Ryan52>alphad: please stop.
19:56<alphad>is that right weasel ?
19:56<NotoriuStyle>-bash: command not found
19:57<tlmiller>NotoriuStyle, put your azwhatyacalllit ahead of that mess
19:57<Ryan52>NotoriuStyle: I think he meant onto some other command...
19:58<tlmiller>Ryan52, aren't installation reports only for problems?
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19:59<Ryan52>tlmiller: no. report successful installs too.
19:59<NotoriuStyle>i found what i have to modify i think
19:59<Ryan52>!installation report
19:59<dpkg>from memory, installation report is
20:00<tlmiller>Yeah I'm on that URL already, it starts off 'If you still have problems...'
20:00<Ryan52>ya, I noticed...
20:00<Ryan52>I dunno that...
20:00<tlmiller>but i"m still stupid. second sentence. Reading is a lost art!
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20:20<snakeacid>hi all
20:20<snakeacid>i try to get java installed but have some error message
20:20<snakeacid>Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) any one a idea
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20:22<NotoriuStyle>have u upgraded your Debian ?
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20:23<snakeacid>i think yes with apt-get update right
20:24*postgres wiped and reinstalled etch
20:24<NotoriuStyle>which pack exactly doesn't get installed ?
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20:25<postgres>does debian have kernels with the full rt/preempt/lowlat patches?
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20:27<postgres>snakeacid: apt-get update reads a coupla data files which tell it where to find packages and which packages they are on the mirror(s)
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20:28<postgres>to actually get packages/upgrade them, you have to do more
20:32<Ryan52>postgres: I doubt it...why not just compile your own (based on debian's)?
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20:32<tlmiller>How do you show "the raw partition table" ? Is that just fdisk -l ?
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20:33<Ryan52>tlmiller: that should work...
20:33<Ryan52>should be enough, I mean.
20:33<tlmiller>ok, thanks
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20:43<panagos>isn't the virtualbox module supposed to create a device under /dev/? i loaded vboxdrv, but the file didn't appear!
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20:45<panagos>Ryan52: any idea why this file didn't appear?
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20:46<Ryan52>are you sure it's loaded?
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20:46<Ryan52>do you see it in lsmod?
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20:47<panagos>Ryan52: yes, it's there
20:48<panagos>Ryan52: only the device file does not appear
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20:48<Ryan52>are you using something older than me?
20:48*Ryan52 is using sid
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20:53<postgres>there, it boots properly now
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20:54*Ryan52 growls at RT
20:55<tlmiller>This is kind of OT but do I have to use NVIDIA drivers to enable the TV out port on an 8800GT or is xorg capable of this? When I used the nvidia driver before it sets the tv out port up like a 2nd display with plain ole resolutions. Except their driver was way slower resizing windows,etc.
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20:56<Ryan52>tlmiller: tias?
20:56<tlmiller>what is tias?
20:56<tlmiller>google = restaurant
20:57<postgres>tree it and sigh
20:57<Ryan52>try it and see
20:57<vook>taste insect asses seperately
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20:59<Ryan52>anybody know how to comment on a RT ticket using rt(1)?
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20:59<postgres>Ryan52: you doing a rt kernel?
20:59<Ryan52>wow. I'm dumb.
21:00<Ryan52>it's "rt comment". I could swear a tried that. :|
21:00<Ryan52>postgres: what?
21:00<postgres>what's rt in the context you're using it? not real-time as applied to a kernel patch?
21:00<tlmiller>request tracker?
21:02<Ryan52>request tracker
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21:02<tlmiller>there's only like 10 hundred of them out there...
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21:03<tlmiller>1000. I knew you weren't *that* good @ math. :)~
21:04<postgres>I integrated a rate-of-change vector function, just last week!
21:04<qq>tlmiller: we said that few K , than
21:05<postgres>that's gonna be my new word... fewk...
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21:05<postgres>what are my options to get a real-time patched kernel? I build it?
21:06<postgres>get a kernel package from like demudi or something?
21:07<qq>kernel package doesn't count , configure yes
21:08<postgres>nice... my original boot scheme works again
21:08<postgres>qq: not sure I understand
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21:09<tlmiller>hmm... gparted still shows some of my md's as 'unknown' even after sync is complete.
21:10<postgres>so I was running lenny on the laptop, lenny doesn't have ardour right now, so I just now wiped and reinstalled etch
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21:12<qq>postgres: or take it from sid ...
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21:13<postgres>I suppose I could have done that
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21:14<postgres>it's not necessarily too late, but I have etch installed at this moment
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21:15<postgres>what are my choices for desktop envs?
21:15<postgres>kde, gnome, anything else?
21:16<tlmiller>what's fluxbox use?
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21:16<qq>xfce , icewm , wm
21:16<Ryan52>postgres: tritium :)
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21:16<postgres>what's that? never heard of it
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21:17<Ryan52>postgres: its an ion replacement
21:17<Ryan52>(written by a sane person this time)
21:17<postgres>what's ion? :)
21:17<Ryan52>a tilling window manage
21:17<qq>a wm
21:17<tlmiller>is xfce4 a window manager or a desktop env?
21:18<qq>a wm
21:18<postgres>does xfce use X to display on or does it somehoe do its own thing?
21:18<tlmiller>uses X
21:18<Ryan52>they all use X
21:18<qq>all use X
21:19<postgres>I heard something about, xfce is really different, I must have been mistaken to think it didn't use x, totally different thing, etc
21:19<postgres>any truth to any of that?
21:19<tlmiller>why I asked: I ripped a bunch of gnome stuff out earlier and put on xfce4. I've never quite grasped the separation of wm from desktop env fully.
21:19<tlmiller>It's very snappy
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21:23<qq>well... Xfce is a lightweight *desktop environment* for unix-like operating systems
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21:26<tlmiller>that just adds to my confusion on the subject. I'll just leave it as - it makes pretty windows on my screen.
21:27<qq>twm - Tab window manager
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21:29<qq>xdm - X display manager
21:29<qq>kdm - X display manager for KDE
21:29<qq>gdm - GNOME Display Manager
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21:31<postgres>I might as well give xfce a shot, which one is in etch?
21:31<postgres>would I just use xdm with it, or does it have its own dm
21:32<qq>apt-cache search xfce
21:32<tlmiller>when I removed gnome, it took gdm off with it. Now I just "startx".
21:33<postgres>ok, how would I go about installing a moreorless complete version of it
21:34<tlmiller>I did apt-get install xfce4 ... seemed to grab all that was needed.
21:34<postgres>what's your /etc/debian_version?
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21:37<postgres>does xfce use underlying libs, either gtk or qt/kde?
21:38<astronut>does anyone know how to escape ^ in moin?
21:38<postgres>what is most of it written in, c? c++?
21:38<adamm>I've installed lenny/sid with X.Org 7.3+15, but there doesn't seem to be any way to get X configuration through debconf. `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` with debconf level=low gets me keyboard detection and then it just writes to xorg.conf. Doesn't even ask about video or anything... anyone know what is going on?? [amd64 port]
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21:41<qq>adamm: what's the problem ?
21:41<adamm>`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` does not configure video. Doesn't ask questions about it.
21:41<qq>xorg now do things almost automatically
21:42<Ryan52>tlmiller: was that you?
21:42<adamm>Then why is it loading nv driver instead of nvidia? And if I remove nv, it tries to load VESA!!
21:42<tlmiller>was what me?
21:42<Ryan52>that installation report?
21:42<tlmiller>I did one
21:43<Ryan52>are you "Van Reuther"
21:43<tlmiller>I are
21:43<kop>I'm trying to pxeboot an install with a serial console and pxelinux seems to be sending \r\n every 15 characters. What's up with that?
21:43<tlmiller>Are the feds coming for me now?
21:43<Ryan52>md devices are supposed to contain valid partition tables.
21:43<postgres>they're comng to take you away ha haaaaaa
21:44<Ryan52>are not
21:44<tlmiller>Ryan52, does fdisk truly know about them? You see my mdadm --detail is clean right?
21:44<tlmiller>Ryan52, are you on the bug team or something? How'd you get that so quick?
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21:45<Ryan52>tlmiller: I'm subscribed to the debian installer developement list
21:45<adamm>essentially, no Files in xorg.conf, no modules, no monitor, no screen... Only input devices...
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21:45<tlmiller>Ryan52, I only just got the acknowledge
21:45<Ryan52>I only just got it in my inbox :)
21:46<tlmiller>Ryan52, I thought I subscribed to the installer list yesterday. Must not have went through.
21:46<Ryan52>you would've gotten lots of emails by now
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21:46<tlmiller>Must be spam and getting black holed. :)
21:46<Ryan52>about 10 today so far. I guess not lots...
21:47<tlmiller>I'd better tweak my postfix to allow them through
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21:47<Ryan52>you run your own mailserver? scary.
21:47<Ryan52>emails so important to me that if mine doesn't work, I want to have somebody to complain to other than myself :)
21:48<Ryan52>tlmiller: I don't know how you do your postfix, but all messages from that list have this header: List-Id: <>
21:48<Ryan52>if it matters.
21:49<tlmiller>Ryan52, I used to let other people manage my mail. But they do it when they get around to it. I'd rather rely on myself.
21:49<adamm>This is a *disastster*
21:49<Ryan52>tlmiller: If I could afford a colo I would, but I dont trust a VPS provider enough.
21:50<Ryan52>adamm: you dont need a monitor :)
21:50*tlmiller hopes that bug isn't my report.
21:50<adamm>How the heck is the user going to configure X? `man xorg.conf` and hack files? That's like back to potato!
21:50<tlmiller>Ryan52, who needs colo? It's in my basement on a static dsl.
21:50<Ryan52>I cant afford that either :)
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21:52<adamm>nvidia-glx driver basically fails to load because it is not defined and there is no possibility of getting it defined. Ugghhhh...
21:52<tlmiller>I'm not missing mails. I see I subscribed to debian-cd
21:52<Ryan52>oh. nevermind. I'm talking about debian-boot.
21:52<adamm>And people are not bitching too much about it because they haven't installed clean, just `aptitude upgrade` and done.
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21:53<tlmiller>Ryan52, any words of wisdom to get 'clean' md devices?
21:53<Ryan52>what's not clean?
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21:53<tlmiller>did you skim my installation report?
21:54<Ryan52>it all looks fine
21:54<Ryan52>except the part about "Not 100% confident these arrays are safe for data" :)
21:54<tlmiller>What about the Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
21:54<tlmiller>and md2
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21:54<Ryan52>tlmiller: md devices do not contain partition tables
21:54<Ryan52>tlmiller: that's normal
21:55<Ryan52>tlmiller: they are 1 partition
21:55<Ryan52>tlmiller: if you want more, use LVM
21:55<tlmiller>Well good. now a dev can tell me I'm a dumbass. I'm tough I can take it. :)
21:56<adamm> - apparenly nvidia-glx issue..... oh boy.....
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21:56<Ryan52>nvidia-glx? /me starts paying attention.
21:57<tlmiller>Does it make sense that gparted would list /dev/sda3 as "unknown" ?
21:57<Ryan52>tlmiller: it doesnt have a filesystem on it. it's raid partition. you would expect gparted to be able to know that, but it might not...
21:58<tlmiller>and /dev/sda2, /dev/sdb2 as swap but /dev/sdc2 and /dev/sdd2 are also "unknown" (even though I selected 4 devices for raid1)
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22:01<Ryan52>why would you use gparted?
22:02<Ryan52>anyway, I can't test atm, since I have no comptuer with both raid and a gui...
22:02<tlmiller>why wouldn't I use it? Just to view what's there.
22:02<Ryan52>but I think that's normal...
22:02<tlmiller>It was for a 2nd opinion
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22:02<tlmiller>then I found mdadm --detail
22:02<Ryan52>fine, /me installs it on his server
22:03<Ryan52>not too many dependancies..nice.
22:03<tlmiller>I just didn't want to get 1 TB of data on there and have the volume go poof and have to start over, ya know? that copying takes a while.
22:03<Ryan52>tlmiller: yup. it's unknown in mine too.
22:04<Ryan52>tlmiller: I'm an array made by the debian installer on a production database server.
22:04<Ryan52>tlmiller: works fine. bonnie-ed it and all.
22:04<tlmiller>Ryan52, great. I'll start migrating some stuff on and see how it goes.
22:04*Ryan52 thinks tlmiller needs to stop doubting my code
22:04<tlmiller>You wrote it?
22:04<Ryan52>I added raid 6 and 10 support
22:05<Ryan52>and I tested a lot.
22:05<tlmiller>Well why didn't ya say so in the beginning?
22:05<Ryan52>I dunno...
22:05<tlmiller>I'd have run around installing it on as many machines as I have access too. I like testing code.
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22:06<tlmiller>I got a 14 disk shelf in the basement right now that could experience raid10
22:06<tlmiller>I work in the development group at my company. (real scary huh?)
22:07<snogglethorpe>tlmiller: most things are scary if you look too closely :-)
22:08<tlmiller>true true
22:08<astronut>does anyone know how to escape ^ in moin?
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22:12<astronut>found it
22:14<astronut>you have to backtick the whole thing
22:14<astronut>i tried \ to start
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22:24<postgres>tlmiller: it's called command substitution, it's a feature of most shells, what it does is takes the text that a command sends to its stdout and substitutes it in for a parameter of another command
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22:25<Ryan52>postgres: that was completely irrelavant and directed at the wrong person.
22:26*tlmiller stares at the ceiling wondering how that fell on him
22:26<astronut>Gekz: that would have been so much more useful 30 minutes prior, but thanks :-P
22:26<postgres>oh, sorry...
22:27<astronut>postgres: and we're talking about a particular software that uses ` for escaping, not for subshell use
22:28<postgres>it's not precisely a subshell, but ok
22:28<Ryan52>and you should use $(blah) instead :)
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22:28<postgres>a good idea, the advantage being nestability
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22:32<astronut>Ryan52: `` is more readable
22:33<postgres>not if you're trying to nest
22:33<postgres>it's not only unreadable in that case, it's also unworkable and unmaintainable
22:33<Ryan52>ya, I know. I usually use it for simple things like cd `dirname $0` and such...
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22:36<postgres>even if you're using them adjacently and not nested, it's pretty hard to read
22:40<postgres>what are the alsa APIs that are available in etch? c, c++? interpreted languages?
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22:45<postgres>is etch-n-a-half out? or is it still proposed-updates?
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22:47<qq>is up
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22:49<Ryan52>qq: dumb do you get it?
22:49<qq>i dunoo
22:49<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
22:50<Ryan52>then I click the kernel button, and get: Sorry, your search gave no results :|
22:50<postgres>!factinfo etchnahalf
22:50<dpkg>etchnahalf -- created by azeem <> at Mon Apr 28 21:20:33 2008 (124 days); last modified at Tue Apr 29 18:47:21 2008 by themill!~stuart@; it has been requested 10 times, last by Ryan52, 44s ago.
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22:50<postgres>that's pretty recent
22:51<Ryan52>it says nowhere how to get it though.
22:51<Ryan52>it says you can install etch and later upgrade.
22:54<Ryan52>those are cd images. it said I could upgrade my etch system. unless debian is becomming fedora...
22:54<Ryan52>or unless I am missing something obvious...
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22:56<Ryan52>nevermind :|. I could swear that wasn't there before. linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
22:56<kop>What's the channel for boot/install problems, #debian-boot?
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22:56<franz>hi all
22:56<Ryan52>kop: thats the installer development
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22:57<Ryan52>okay then...
22:57<Ryan52>kop: you can ask here.
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22:57<s3a>how do i make compiz work in debian lenny gnome?
22:57<Ryan52>s3a: doesn't compiz --replace work? or is that not how you do it?
22:57<dpkg>from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
22:58<Ryan52>s3a: anyway, what have you tried?
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22:58<s3a>Ryan52, apt-get install compiz-gnome
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22:59<Ryan52>s3a: look in /usr/share/doc/compiz-gnome?
22:59<Ryan52>man compiz?
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23:04<s3a>Ryan52, ill read the wiki
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23:05<postgres>hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... I just came out of a maze of twisty packages, 99% all alike, but 45% all different...
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23:14<Ryan52>postgres: what? :)
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23:14<postgres>oh, yeah, so I just tried to find out how to install etchnahalf by reading the docs...
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23:15<postgres>circular references everywhere leading to all of the useful information except how to upgrade to it
23:16<Ryan52>heh. exactly :)
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23:18<enouf>do you even know what etchnhalf is?
23:18<postgres>1.5 * etch...
23:18<postgres>isnt' it support for 2.6.24 in etch?
23:19<enouf>only the kernel is optionally new - why?
23:19<enouf>read the docs
23:19<postgres>I JUST DID
23:19<postgres>see above.
23:19<enouf>read then harder ;-)
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23:19<postgres>write them harder
23:19<enouf>do you know what kmuto is?
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23:20<enouf>the kernel is optionally new, TO SUPPORT NEW HARDWARE DURING INSTALLATION
23:20<postgres>ok, so I want the new kernel not for the purpose of installation
23:20<enouf>i writed that harder, mk?
23:21<Ryan52>postgres: you upgrade by running: 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686'
23:21<enouf>so install it
23:21<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
23:21<kop>I'm trying to install etch on a soekris net5501-70. The box has no video, so a serial console is required. The bios apparently has bug (see "Aside:" at the bottom of, but that's not the real problem. It just makes it harder to see what's going on. After getting the loader's "boot:" prompt I get a bit of "Loading..." sort of output and then nothing, and then minicom tells me the seria
23:21<enouf>but you can grab the etchnhalf kernel yourself as well
23:22<postgres>ok, that's progress... good. but: do I need things like newer modutils?
23:22<enouf>they are different - however etch-backports has/had .24 - think transitional phase
23:22<Ryan52>kop: you got cut off at 'tells me the seria'
23:22<enouf>the linux-image comes with everthing you need
23:23<kop>I've tried adding my own LABEL lines to the pxelinux config file so as to pass the kernel the "earlyboot" option, but the boot prompt tells me the label is not found.
23:23<enouf>no, because the kernel is "backported" specifically to work with etch software
23:23<enouf>it's basically, whatever it took to add support for certain newer hardware
23:23<kop>Ryan52 : minicom tells me the serial port is "offline". (Meaning it's dropped one of the RTS/CTS pins or something, I forget.)
23:23<postgres>that would seem to imply the version of the module utilities that come with etch are applicable to 2.6.24... any truth to that?
23:24<postgres>I don't want to just install if it's going to screw my box up
23:24<Ryan52>kop: you need to tell the kernel to use the serial console, then?
23:24<enouf>i'm not familiar offhand with modutils, but as i said, if it needed a newer version , that would be a dependency
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23:24<kop>Ryan52: No, the pxelinux.cofig files supplied by the installer team already do that. (when you choose the right one.)
23:24<enouf>you boot to a new kernel - of it doesn't work, you boot your old one
23:25<postgres>so you're saying the kernel image would depend on whatever
23:25<enouf>as always, yes
23:25<s3a>Ryan52, is compiz --replace supposed to make effects work (I did everything before, my card is ati radeon x600 pro)
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23:25<kop>Ryan52: It seems that something's gone wrong, perhaps related to the bios bug on the soekris, and there's no serial console happening.\
23:25<enouf>just like a newer Xorg requires a newer libc6 - hence no newer Xorg versions backported to Etch
23:25<postgres>!depends linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 etch
23:26<Ryan52>s3a: it makes compiz take over as the wm...I dunno, I dont use GUIs.
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23:26<dpkg>linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686: pre-depends on debconf (>= 0.2.17) | debconf-2.0
23:26<s3a>Ryan52, so ur talking to me with a text only screen?
23:26<Ryan52>s3a: there is a wm that keeps my two terminals, and firefox.
23:26<Ryan52>s3a: but I don't have any fancy GUI-ness
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23:27<Ryan52>s3a: and I only use firefox because I write web apps, and need to test them in the browser that will be used.
23:27<kop>s3a: Likewise, guis always change. The console is forever. Learn to use it in 1972, the same stuff still works today.
23:28<s3a>Ryan52, wait do you use a gui or not? if not, just do what i do, make the right windows key a shortcut for a terminal so you benefit the beautiful "GUI-ness" and still can use your terminal
23:28<postgres>I can't learn to use it in 1972!
23:28<Ryan52>s3a: terminal is F2
23:28<kop>postgres : You'll just have to be a little behind then. ;-)
23:28<Ryan52>s3a: I have no "menu" per say
23:29<postgres>I do recall reading a lisp manual that year...
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23:29<postgres>and going "where can I use this?"
23:29<kop>Ryan52: So, why isn't the pxelinux config supplied by di getting me a serial console?
23:30<Ryan52>kop: have you tried setting the console yourself. I haven't tried myself, so I dont trust the di serial console stuff...
23:30<Ryan52>oh, other things will break though...I dunno.
23:31<kop>Ryan52: How? I tried passing additional parameters to the kernel by modifying the pxelinux.cfg file, and it didn't work. I don't know why. I tried adding another label (w. kernel etc.) as noted above, and couldn't get that to work. Maybe the di pxelinux is hacked?
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23:32<enouf>kop: do you know C at all?
23:32<kop>enouf : Yup.
23:34<enouf>kop: maybe you can do some bitbanging or something
23:34<kop>Hacked in the sense that it's not paying attention to the config file, in some special way.
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23:34<Ryan52>kop: I've personnally changed the config file...
23:35<Ryan52>kop: oh, your netbooting. I know I have changed that.
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23:35<Golfgeo>Hi all
23:35<Golfgeo>What kind of time value does the offset value of ntpq stand for?
23:35<Golfgeo>(sec, milliseconds or ???)
23:36<kop>Golfgeo : Milliseconds
23:37<Golfgeo>kop: And the fudge value of ntp.conf?
23:37<Ryan52>Golfgeo: thats the stratum
23:37<kop>Golfgeo : I don't recall.
23:37<Ryan52>Golfgeo: it's a way to set it and "this server is this stratum. I dont care what it really is. pretend it is this."
23:38<postgres>strata-1 are servers connected to independent time source
23:38<kop>Ryan52 : When you changed it were you using the pxelinux image from the di? I'm thinking they've done something special.
23:38<Golfgeo>I used the time1 0.420 set as per gpsd docs sugestion
23:38<Ryan52>postgres: and ones getting stuff from those are 2 :)
23:39<postgres>strata-2 are servers connected to strata-1, and strata-(n+1) connect to strata-(n)
23:39<Golfgeo>but am getting a 8.something on the offset output in ntpq
23:39<Golfgeo>I know about stratums guys
23:39<postgres>and ntp does weird stuff in the protocol to sync the time
23:39<Ryan52>really? I guess I should read it's source or RFC...
23:39<Golfgeo>So I'm wondering how much I need to ajust that .42 value to get it in sync
23:40<Ryan52>Golfgeo: you dont need to do anything.
23:40<postgres>yeah, one thign it does is measure net latency
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23:41<Golfgeo>Ryan52: Well, if I would like my gps to be the prefered time source it does need to be more in sync...
23:41<enouf>kop: you could send a mail to as well i guess
23:42<Golfgeo>But thanks guys :-) The millisecond does mean I am getting there :-)
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23:46<kop>enouf : I'm going to go talk with #debian-boot because I see stuff on the net that says the stock di pxelinux does not work for the install.
23:46<enouf>sure ..
23:47<enouf>just try to not post a mail, and then pester in channel for a response ;-)
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23:49<enouf>i've many times just asked in channel - but they were mild questions .. anything that will be drawn out should be documented, imo ;-) especially to be of any use for future users O_o
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23:52<s3a>Ryan52, im a bit confused on what this means: "If everything is correct you will be able to use all compiz resources. " --> does that mean it should automatically work now, must I restart my GUI or what?
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23:52<Ryan52>compiz --replace, I tihnk
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23:53<enouf>s3a: why not try compiz --<tab><tab> , or compiz-<tab><tab> .. or check /usr/share/docs/
23:54<s3a>enouf, /usr/share/docs/ is blank
23:55<Ryan52>s3a: :O
23:55<Ryan52>s3a: /usr/share/doc
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23:55<Ryan52>(might be part of your problem :))
23:55<Ryan52>s3a: find /usr/share/doc/ | grep compiz
23:56<Ryan52>I get 62 matches, and I dont even *use* compiz.
23:56<Ryan52>so with all of your stuff installed you must have at least that many
23:57<enouf>whoops .. my bad
23:57<tlmiller>to "see" compiz's enhancements you have to select it's theme (emerald or something like that) after you've done all the installation
23:58<enouf>there's also a #compiz-fusion channel on, iirc
23:58<dpkg>rumour has it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
23:58<Ryan52>It's called #compiz :)
23:59<enouf>[23:57:24] -ALIS- #compiz-fusion 130 : | Stable: 0.6.0, Development: 0.7.6 | Git status: | Development is in #compiz-fusion-dev (no user support please) | Ubuntu users: #ubuntu for general help; this channel is only for Compiz-specific help | IRC is all about idle chatter (not idle chatters):
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