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---Logopened Sun Aug 31 00:00:08 2008
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00:00<Ryan52>ah. 20:59 [freenode] -!- #compiz #compiz-fusion Forwarding to another channel
00:00<enouf>:-P
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00:04<s3a>Ryan52, enouf, http://pastebin.com/m37aed22a
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00:05<Ryan52>s3a: so...umm...look at them?
00:05<Ryan52>probably all of the readmes will have useful information...
00:06<enouf>s3a: i never tried compiz yet - and i don;t use gnome
00:06<tlmiller>I tried it a couple times and setting it up under debian was pretty straight forward.
00:07*Ryan52 is the same as enouf
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00:07<tlmiller>the only part that wasn't mentioned was selecting the right theme at the end. That's where the worble and jelly window drags get enabled.
00:08<s3a>tlmiller, the last thing i did was compiz --replace
00:08<s3a>tlmiller, from http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
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00:08<tlmiller>poke around on your program menu for the compiz related items.
00:09<tlmiller>I can't remember what it was called but it was clearly labeled.
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00:10<tlmiller>For me, emerald did more than the other one.
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00:27<enouf>s3a: is tab completion even enabled in your shell? bash? edit your ~/.bashrc, and remove the comments from the 3 lines that start with -> if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then
00:27<enouf>s3a: then run "source .bashrc"
00:27<enouf>or logout/login .. whatever
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00:31<s3a>enouf, i dont no wat tab completion is
00:31<s3a>enouf, wait im reading the rest of wat u said
00:32<s3a>enouf, im mentally slow cuz im feeling tired
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00:32<enouf>no worries .. take your time
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00:38<Guest4516>why in hecks name did xchat just redirect me to this? i was trying to connect to wyldryde
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00:45<kop>Allright... My problem was a bad symlink. Shouldn't "ln -sf foo bar" replace bar even if it already exists?
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00:47<Ryan52>dunno...did you read the man page?
00:47<Ryan52>did you *try* it?
00:47<tlmiller>perhaps it didn't like -sf and wanted -s -f
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00:48<Ryan52>that would be dumb.
00:48<tlmiller>it's happened to me with other commands.
00:48<Ryan52>(oh, wait, my apps do that :P)
00:48<tlmiller>toss on a -i and let it prompt you for good measure.
00:49<superme>hi everyone ! Still my wifi+kernel pb on eeepc (2.6.25 vs 2.6.26 / dependencies). The 2.6.26 did updated with atl2, madwifi did not follow. With aptitude, i search to downgrade back the atl2 to the 2.6.25 ... i don't find the command in help/man/?
00:49<kop>Ryan52 : Sure I tried it. It was the cause of my problems. I was softlinking a directory though. Maybe there's posix wierdness with trailing slashes aka cp and --strip-trailing-slash
00:50<Ryan52>mmk
00:50<kop>(Or whatever that posix wierdness with trailing slashes is for mv and cp and the like.)
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00:50<kop>Ryan52 : mmk?
00:50<Ryan52>kop: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mmk
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00:55<s3a>enouf, http://pastebin.com/m7057281e
00:57<enouf>s3a: that's not a default debian .bashrc
00:58<Ryan52>s3a: add this: . /etc/bash_completion
00:58<Ryan52>s3a: and make sure you have /etc/bash_completion
00:58<Ryan52>s3a: if not, install bash-completion
00:59<superme>on aptitude, how can i ungrade a version of a package ?
01:00<Ryan52>superme: ungrade? you mean downgrade? or upgrade?
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01:00<superme>Ryan52: downgrade. upgrade is +, remove is -
01:00<superme>but do't find downgrade in help or man
01:00<Ryan52>no. + is install.
01:01<Ryan52>superme: apt-get install package/etch
01:01<Ryan52>aerr
01:01<Ryan52>superme: aptitude install package/etch
01:01<Ryan52>superme: aptitude install package=0.1.2
01:01<superme>Ryan52: i am on lenny
01:02<Ryan52>so your trying to install the version from etch?
01:02<Ryan52>or from what?
01:03<Ryan52>this isn't gentoo. you cant pick an arbitrary version to install.
01:04<superme>Ryan52: i allready on lenny. I have troubles with wifi conf between the 2.6.25 and the 2.6.26. Because of bugs on the last version (for eeepc) i want to downgrade the atl2 modules
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01:04<Ryan52>superme: oh. thats not downgrading a package.
01:04<superme>from the ? : "+" Install or upgrade a package
01:04<Ryan52>the kernel versions are separate versions.
01:04<Ryan52>err, separate packages
01:05<Ryan52>so remove linux-image-2.6-686
01:05<superme>Ryan52: but the atl2 are allready upgraded
01:05<Ryan52>!snapshot
01:05<dpkg>rumour has it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
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01:06<Ryan52>superme: ^^
01:06<superme>(for the "downgrade" i just did not find the good word in english ^^)
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01:06<Ryan52>you cant downgrade to a version that's no longer in debian
01:06<Ryan52>you can get it from snapshots though
01:06<Ryan52>(assuming snapshots got more disk space...)
01:07<superme>Ryan52: so if i remove linux-image-2.6-686, i come back to the 2.26.25 for all packages ?
01:07<Ryan52>you also must remove .26
01:07<Ryan52>so linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
01:07<Ryan52>too
01:08<Ryan52>and then you'll have to find that atl or whatever from snapshots, if its available
01:08<Ryan52>(brb)
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01:09<sniggels>where does Debian mount a USB HDD drive ? I can't find it
01:09<sniggels>debian etch
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01:09<tlmiller>look under /media
01:09<superme>Ryan52: pb is i am connected now with the 2.6-26, wich use the atl2 2.6-26 (by wired), if i spend back to the 2.6-25 i can't connect it
01:10<sniggels>got it, thanks
01:10<Ryan52>sniggels: it doesn't automatically...
01:10<sniggels>It did, I didnt edit fstab or used mount command
01:11<sniggels>its under /media, locate didn't find the files on the drive even after updatedb
01:11<superme>sniggels: sudo mkdir /media/toto && sudo mount /dev/hd[your hd] /media/toto
01:11<Ryan52>toto?
01:11<tlmiller>probably because mounted file systems are omitted from updatedb by default
01:11<sniggels>aaaah ok
01:12<sniggels>that make sence
01:12<superme>Ryan52: or "me" or whatever ^^
01:12<sniggels>sense*
01:12<tlmiller>You can change that behavior by updating the config
01:12<sniggels>filename ?
01:12<superme>Ryan52: for english speakers i should say /media/bob
01:13<Ryan52>superme: okay. makes more sense. what language do you speak?
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01:13<superme>sniggels: once is mount, ls /media/bob (what you put in mkdir)
01:13<tlmiller>sniggels, man updatedb.conf
01:13<superme>Ryan52: French
01:14<Ryan52>ah. cool.
01:14<sniggels>updatedb.conf ok, thanks
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01:17<superme>Ryan52: aptitude find linux-image-2.6.26-1-686, one linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 also, linux-image-686, but no linux-image-2.6-686
01:18<Ryan52>ya, right.
01:18<Ryan52>whatever, just remove it whatever you have thats not linux-image-2.6.25-1-686
01:19<superme>Ryan52: ... i want to be sure to be able to connect it back after ! ^^
01:19<Ryan52>err linux-image-2.6.25-2-686
01:19<Ryan52>make sure you leave a kernel there...
01:20<superme>the atl2 will still in 2.6-26 version, so i can't connect after
01:20<Ryan52>you need to get the atl2 for the old version
01:21<superme>i can't find it there's only the latest one
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01:23<Ryan52>superme: in snaptshots?
01:24<Ryan52>superme: debian only keeps the version that's in a distro.
01:24<Ryan52>superme: snapshots keeps older versions
01:24<superme>Ryan52: no, i don't know use snapshot. aptitude only ...
01:24<superme>i launch snapshot
01:25<Ryan52>aptitude only has 1 version
01:25<Ryan52>you can get the versions from other debian versions
01:25<Ryan52>but other wise you have to use snapshot
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01:26<sniggels>is there a way to add a progress bar to cp command withought making a different sh script ?
01:26<superme>i don't find it (aptitude install or either)
01:26<Ryan52>superme: find what?
01:26<Ryan52>!snapshot
01:26<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
01:26<Ryan52>sniggels: use rsync
01:26<superme>snapshot
01:27<Ryan52>superme: http://snapshot.debian.net/
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01:27<superme>dpkg don't advice to use it ...
01:27<dpkg>superme: wish i knew
01:28<Ryan52>superme: why?
01:28<superme>i get msg from it
01:29<Ryan52>pastebin it
01:29<superme>snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy
01:29<superme>, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
01:29<Ryan52>yes.
01:30<Ryan52>every version thats ever been in debian
01:30<superme>(i don't realise dpkg is a robot ?)
01:30<Ryan52>so if version 1 didnt work, you can install it from there and it wont work
01:30<superme>ok
01:30<Ryan52>but if version 2 did work you can install it from there and it will owrk
01:30<superme>ok
01:30<Ryan52>but you claim that you know a certain version worked, so you can install it from there.
01:31<superme>ok. For one specific version, snapshot is a solution
01:31<s3a>Ryan52, enouf, I am still lost on what to do, can we restart plz
01:32<Ryan52>s3a: did you read the documentation?
01:32<superme>i check the atl2 version and ? when i find it, how i get / install it ?
01:32<Ryan52>superme: you download it. you 'sudo dpkg -i file.deb' it
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01:33<superme>ow, that's all... ok
01:33<s3a>Ryan52, i read the wiki
01:33<superme>well, i'm cooking my debian and come back, i hope for the feedback
01:34<Ryan52>s3a: well, I dont use it. so all I can do is read it and tell you what it says :)
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01:35<s3a>Ryan52, well what exactly does this mean: Restart your X.org server --> does restarting comp restart x.org?
01:35<Ryan52>uhuh
01:35<enouf>s3a: are you running debian? which release
01:35<s3a>enouf, lenny testing
01:35<enouf>s3a: restart your DM
01:36<s3a>enouf, i did a full reboot after compiz --replace
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01:36<enouf>s3a: /etc/init.d/*dm restart (where * is a g, or a k , or x)
01:36<Ryan52>s3a: compiz --replace only affects the current window manager.
01:36<enouf>...
01:36<Ryan52>enouf: or a l. dont leave out ltsp :)
01:36<tlmiller>compiz --replace does an in-place replace doesn't it? I didn't think it held through a restart/boot
01:36<Ryan52>tlmiller: ya.
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01:37<tlmiller>I'm still thinking it's his theme
01:37<Ryan52>im still thinking he didnt read the docs...
01:37<tlmiller>well yeah, that's a given.
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01:38<enouf>s3a add this to your ~/.bashrc http://pastebin.ca/raw/1189322
01:38<tlmiller>I'm liking the dynamics of xrandr. I'm reading those docs trying to figure out how to manage external displays without restarting X. :)
01:39<Ryan52>I could swear I already told him to...
01:39<tlmiller>You did
01:39<enouf>s3a: run update-alternatives --config x-session manger (and x-window-manager)
01:40<enouf>typo
01:40<s3a>enouf, do i put the brackets stuff as a command?
01:40<enouf>yes
01:40<enouf>everything., exactly as shown
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01:41<enouf>what i don't understand is why your .bashrc sucks
01:41<Ryan52>maybe he switched linux distros?
01:41<enouf>unless you're root user now
01:41<s3a>Ryan52, enouf, im new to debian
01:42<Ryan52>s3a: but its not the default
01:42<s3a>enouf, is the word "run" part of the command?
01:42<tlmiller>maybe he pasted a chsh somewhere along the way
01:42<enouf>s3a: what you pasted is not any debian file, as i've ever seen
01:42<enouf>i should say a .bashrc i mean
01:42<s3a>enouf, well im using a debian lenny system, dualbooting with ubuntu but im planning to remove ubuntu as soon as lenny is stable
01:43<enouf>s3a: ls -l /bin/sh
01:45<s3a>Ryan52, enouf, i have to sleep now, thx for the help, ill continue this tomorow
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01:45<enouf>ok
01:45<enouf>!customer
01:45<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
01:47<tlmiller>the question of the day; can we just start over?
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03:43<superme>Ryan52: back ! there's no linux-modules or others 2.6.25 in snapshot !
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03:43<Ryan52>that's too bad
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03:44<superme>Ryan52: i find until 2.6.24 OR 2.6.26, not .25 ...
03:44<Ryan52>so, basically, your screwed. unless you can make the current one work. or if you have the versions in your apt cache still, which you probably dont...
03:45<superme>i try to upgrade the madwifi to 2.6.26, but it seems complicated to. I get the .deb, dpkg -i don't want install it, i guess because of the madwifi 2.6.25 is still there ( ? )
03:46<Ryan52>so your real problem is that you dont know how to install a package, not that you need the old one...
03:46<Ryan52>well, if you have a real error message I can help.
03:47<superme>Ryan52: no the main pb is the 2.6.26 have some bugs for the eeepc.
03:48<Ryan52>oh
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03:49<superme>Ryan52: one on #debian-eeepc had a crash system after too much warming after the 2.6.26.
03:50<superme>after, i ok to admet i don't know to do averything. But i'm not afraid to read man and forum and do things.
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03:59<superme>Ryan52: i get the package manualy to packages.debian.org, but the version for sid (there's no for lenny). I'm going to dpkg -i on it and wi'll see
03:59<Ryan52>superme: you should probably rebuild it
04:01<superme>that i'm not sure of the command : ./configure && make && sudo make install ?
04:02<superme>cause when i do ./configure, it say me ./configure command not found
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04:08<cahoot>and pwd returns what?
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04:10<Ryan52>superme: not rebuild like that!
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04:10<Ryan52>rebuild the package
04:10<Ryan52>debuild
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04:19<Golfgeo>Hi all
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04:21<Golfgeo>Was pondering the following: A video wall (say 6 monitors in a 3x2 setup) and if one can have have an extra monitor that replicates the view on the wall (All in Xorg on Debian)
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04:25<Golfgeo>I would guess the duplicate image of two monitors can be done. Yet is it possible too replicate one screen onto an other if the view is larger?
04:27<Golfgeo>Oh yea, I'm talking about all done on one PC... So a motherboard with lets say one onboard videocard and 3 dual head pci-express videocards interted into slots...
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04:33<Golfgeo>*inserted
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04:35<crazyb0y>hello there i have few questions about wireless settings, can someone help me ?
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04:35<Ryan52>crazyb0y: ask away. I can try.
04:36<crazyb0y>Ryan52: ok i configured anything and everything is working, but i have a client card, and i want to be a HUB, to connect a different pc to my card, and to use this card as router
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04:36<crazyb0y>but i cant find information how to configure an ad-hoc i thing thats called
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04:37<Ryan52>ad-hoc -- dunno
04:37<Ryan52>but I think you want your system to act as a WAP, right?
04:37<crazyb0y>is it called ad-hoc? when i want to use my card as router ?
04:37<Ryan52>your card cannot be a router...
04:37<crazyb0y>yes
04:37<crazyb0y>Ryan52: on windows it can be..
04:37<Ryan52>okay, I get what your trying to do
04:38<Ryan52>it's not a router
04:38<crazyb0y>i want to use this card as AP
04:38<Ryan52>ya, theres a big difference
04:38<Ryan52>anyway
04:38<crazyb0y>and other computer to connect trough this card
04:39<crazyb0y>Ryan52: is it possible ?
04:39<Ryan52>yup
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04:40<crazyb0y>can you give me a howto, or some docs to read please
04:40<Ryan52>are you on a network with DHCP and all of the stuff you need? or is this system connected directly to the internet?
04:40<crazyb0y>directly connected to internet
04:40<crazyb0y>without dhcp
04:40<Ryan52>you don't need DHCP. but you need to setup your system as a gateway, I guess the word is...
04:40<crazyb0y>Ryan52: already done
04:41<crazyb0y>the card is installed on a Linux router that manages 3 networks with LAN
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04:41<Ryan52>okay. so then you do have DHCP and everything you need :)
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04:41<crazyb0y>i dont want to use dhcp, i want static ips
04:41*Ryan52 does not describe these things well
04:41<crazyb0y>but i dont know the settings for the wireless
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04:42<crazyb0y>how can i set it to be WAP?
04:42<Ryan52>you need to put it into master mode.
04:42<Ryan52>and then bridge it with your regular network.
04:42<crazyb0y>i have two ifaces wlan0 and wmaster0
04:42<enouf>that's typical
04:42<Ryan52>wlan0 is what you want to use
04:42<crazyb0y>when i configured wlan0 it works
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04:43<crazyb0y>but as a client
04:43<crazyb0y>i want to use it as wap
04:43<enouf>crazyb0y: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/mac80211
04:44<crazyb0y>thanks i will take a look at this
04:45<Ryan52>crazyb0y: this looks like an okay howto: http://www.linux.com/articles/55617
04:45<Ryan52>except youd use wlan0 instead of ath0, of course
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04:46<Ryan52>if you dont need all that fancy stuff, then at least the interfaces file is useful
04:46<crazyb0y>yes thanks i will not use bridge
04:47<crazyb0y>i will use NAT =)
04:48<Ryan52>this is if it's just a regular old WAP
04:48<Ryan52>where it's on a NATed network.
04:48<Ryan52>but wouldnt you want to bridge the wireless with the wired network?
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04:49<crazyb0y>nop
04:49<crazyb0y>just using for internet
04:49<crazyb0y>with nat
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04:59<crazyb0y>Ryan52: there is something strange
04:59<Ryan52>?
05:00<crazyb0y>there is a command called "wlanconfig" that i dont have
05:00<Ryan52>weird.
05:00<crazyb0y>is it equals to iwconfig ?
05:00<Ryan52>I doubt it.
05:01<Ryan52>they probably do the same thing
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05:33<TIBS01>hey ya
05:33<TIBS01>im getting errors
05:33<TIBS01>shell1:~# apt-get autoclean
05:33<TIBS01>Segmentation faultsts... 86%
05:33<TIBS01>shell1:~#
05:34<TIBS01>shell1:~#
05:34<TIBS01>how do i fix this
05:34<TIBS01>shell1:~# aptitude
05:34<TIBS01>Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying..
05:34<TIBS01>Segmentation fault
05:34<TIBS01>shell1:~#
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05:34<TIBS01>huh
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05:36<TIBS01>Reading package lists... Error!
05:36<TIBS01>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
05:36<TIBS01>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
05:36<TIBS01>how i fix that
05:37<askara>try to copy/past these errors on google
05:39<les>TIBS01: how many sources.list entries has You?
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05:40<TIBS01>up the APT::Cache-Limit more and try again
05:40<TIBS01>i got quite abit
05:40<TIBS01>ang on
05:41<TIBS01>where is it located
05:41<TIBS01>erm /usr/sources.list
05:41<TIBS01>?
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05:41<les>/etc/apt/sources.list
05:42<TIBS01>deleted some
05:43<les>TIBS01: You can also increase Cache-Limit: echo 'APT::Cache-Limit "33554432";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local
05:43<TIBS01>ok
05:44<TIBS01>just doing package upgrade
05:44<TIBS01>then im gonna dist upgrade
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05:46<TIBS01>done
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05:53<TIBS01>upgrading
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05:56<TIBS01>rebooting
05:56<TIBS01>wooo
05:56<TIBS01>new version of debian
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06:43<grummund>what's a good way to log (locally) all terminal output while ssh'ing to another machine?
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06:45<petemc>script
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06:47<petemc>tho if you mean you want the logs to stay on the host you're sshing from, thats a different matter
06:47<grummund>yes i do, why wouldn't that work with script?
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06:50<petemc>grummund: it seems it does
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07:02<grummund>petemc: ty
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07:02<postgres>!find hdsploader etch
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07:03<dpkg>Debian Search of 'hdsploader' (1): (/usr/bin/hdsploader) in contrib/sound/alsa-firmware-loaders.
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07:04<postgres>oh, contrib...
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07:05<postgres>cool :) it worked :)
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07:24<zepard>hi people
07:26<postgres>I want to be able to run a command after a particular module loads... specifically, after snd_hdsp is loaded, I want to run hdsploader
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07:47<Tuplad>Hey! I'd like to recover my sound. I'm using Lenny and a "Creative Technology, Ltd SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit External" sound card. I accidently turned off the power of my computer and my sound didn't work since then, the settings were f'd up. I managed to change the default audio device but my music player still crashes(amarok) saying xine couldn't find the right audio driver and music on webpages wont play at all.
07:47-!-snorky [~snorky@AMarseille-253-1-5-116.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
07:47<Tuplad>Is there anyone willing to help me recover it ?
07:48<superme>check alsamixer
07:48<Tuplad>"alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
07:48<Tuplad>tried alsaconf, cant even a driver.
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07:49<Tuplad>and "sudo asoundconf list" gives nothing.
07:50<fxiny>dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
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07:51<Tuplad>sudo asoundconf set-default-card now returns the sound card
07:51<Tuplad>I do "sudo asoundconf set-default-card External" now
07:51<fxiny>installed lenny yesterday without any problems , it can even run an old wine version
07:52<fxiny>it boots and shutdown very fast !
07:52<Tuplad>lenny is dope :}
07:52<fxiny>need to check io perfromances
07:53<fxiny>yes ! lenny seems pretty speedy :P
07:53<fxiny>lenny/google ;)
07:54<fxiny>certainly not that "goog magog" ;)
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07:55<fxiny>and then i've seen ; vserver , virtualbox . some vmwre debs : wt4x ! too much ;)
07:55<fxiny>i need a life ...
07:55<Tuplad>lol
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07:58<fxiny>i'll check io performances later . but hell ! if lenny io is > then etch io , i'm doomed ...
07:59<Tuplad>what's io?
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08:00<putra>#irc.theoneserve.net
08:00<fxiny>input output , the reason why i'm moving stuff from this old box via ftp and not scp
08:00<Tuplad>aha
08:00<putra>@theoneserv.net
08:00<fxiny>vsftp
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08:01<fxiny>i have a vsftp in a vserver too
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08:02<fxiny>dunno if a 2.6.26 will do well on this PII
08:02<fxiny>enouf: is 2.4.26 "deshutes friendly" ?
08:02<fxiny>wt4x !
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08:53<TIBS01>ello
08:53<TIBS01>ppl
08:53<TIBS01>how do i scan for usb devices
08:54<avu>lsusb
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08:55<TIBS01>shell:~# lsusb
08:55<TIBS01>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
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08:56<TIBS01>USB Devices - Creative Technology, Ltd
08:56<TIBS01>found it
08:56<TIBS01>now wot webcam server would u use
08:56<TIBS01>to stream over the web ?
08:57<cahoot>motion
08:59<TIBS01>ok ang on
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09:05<TIBS01>ok
09:05<TIBS01>installed
09:05<TIBS01>wot do i type to get it working on the net
09:05<cahoot>what you really need is read the excellent documentation
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09:06<cahoot>(if we're referring to 'motion' )
09:06<TIBS01>yip
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09:12<TIBS01>[1] Thread 1 started
09:12<TIBS01>[1] Failed to open video device /dev/video0: No such file or directory
09:12<TIBS01>[1] Capture error calling vid_start
09:12<TIBS01>how can that be
09:13<TIBS01>the webcams installed
09:13<cahoot>this doesn't look good: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
09:14<cahoot>seems the cam isn't fully recognized
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09:15<TIBS01>mmmm
09:15<TIBS01>shall i reboot it ?
09:15<cahoot>reboot what?
09:15<TIBS01>server
09:15<cahoot>no
09:16<TIBS01>http://www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:81/phpsysinfo
09:16<TIBS01>its named on there
09:16<TIBS01>under usb
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09:16<TIBS01>SB Devices
09:16<TIBS01>- Creative Technology, Ltd
09:18<cahoot>what does dmesg report if you dis-/reconnect the cam?
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09:19<TIBS01>dunno aint got a moniter on it
09:19<cahoot>you owuldn't need a monitor
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09:20<TIBS01>no i mean to look at kernel boot
09:20<TIBS01>ive just plugged n unplugged the camera
09:21<cahoot>and what does dmesg report ?
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09:22<cahoot>(you do have ssh connection?
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09:22<Danger>Hello Debian people, just a quick question, currently installing Lenney, does it support KWorld DVB PCI cards?
09:22<abrotman>do you have a PCIID ?
09:23<Danger>erm not sure what that is
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09:23<abrotman>lspci -vv .. find it
09:23<TIBS01>yer
09:23<TIBS01>i have ssh
09:24<cahoot>so run dmesg and see if the camera is recognized
09:24<cahoot>i e make and model
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09:25<TIBS01>let me unplug it n plug it back in
09:25<TIBS01>then look
09:25<abrotman>tail -f /var/log/dmesg
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09:26<TIBS01>!pastebin
09:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:27<TIBS01>http://rafb.net/p/8HZSsk32.html
09:28<Danger>I can't do lspci -vv at the moment as it's still installing. During the install proceedure I selected "web server" does that mean Apache will be installed by default
09:28<cahoot>paste the output from dmesg | tail -30 instead
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09:29<abrotman>Danger: actually .. you can do i during the install .. hit alt-f3 and activate the console (might be alt-f2)
09:29<Danger>thanks
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09:30<TIBS01>grrrrrr
09:31<TIBS01>might help if i was sshed in the right box
09:31<Danger>lspic -vv | more
09:31<Danger>ops sorry wrong keyboard and spelling
09:32<azz>i noob help me install linux-latest-modules-2.6.25-2-686 package pls
09:32<TIBS01>http://rafb.net/p/v54Etm79.html
09:32<TIBS01>there u go
09:33<cahoot>TIBS01: lsusb still reports it as lacking ID ?
09:34<TIBS01>shell1:~# lsusb
09:34<TIBS01>Bus 002 Device 003: ID 041e:4028 Creative Technology, Ltd
09:34<TIBS01>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
09:34<TIBS01>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
09:34-!-TIBS01 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
09:34<Danger>sry another question, I understand Debian comes with a modified version of firefox (so its pure open source) but do the standard FireFox addons still work this it?
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09:34<TIBS01>there u go
09:34<avu>Danger, yes they do
09:34<Danger>thank you
09:35<abrotman>Danger: get that pciid?
09:35<cahoot>Creative Webcam Vista Plus?
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09:35<cahoot>seems to be supported by gspca
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09:35<TIBS01>great
09:35<TIBS01>getting errors installing it now
09:36<Danger>My KWorld card isn't plugged in :s I will get it when I restart after the installation. Looking at the release notes for Linux kernel 2.6.16 support was added for my card if that helps
09:36<c4_t>someone knows how to drop a postgres user role and all his (her) databases? some kind of cascade drop?
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09:36<TIBS01>http://rafb.net/p/dO742z92.html
09:37<abrotman>Danger: ah ok
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09:38<Danger>94% so shouldn't be too long abrotman
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09:39<abrotman>94% of eternity!
09:39<Danger>lol
09:39<TIBS01>now wot :/
09:40<Danger>Well at least it's installing more than can be said for FC9 :0
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09:41<papat>can an ubuntu realtime kernel be installed on a debian system? is there any precompiled relatime kernel for debian?
09:41<TIBS01>http://rafb.net/p/dO742z92.html
09:41<TIBS01>woops
09:42<Danger>woot! installed time to put the Kworld card in
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09:42<TIBS01>http://www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:81/webcam
09:42<TIBS01>does it work ?
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09:44<Danger>wow it boots pretty quick :)
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09:45<Danger>ok I did lspcc no sign of the kworld card :(
09:46<TIBS01>cahoot
09:46<TIBS01>now wot lol
09:47<abrotman>Danger: lspci ?
09:47<Danger>yep sorry lspci I can't see the kworld card
09:48<TIBS01>my webcam wont work
09:48<TIBS01>boohooo
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09:48<Danger>I did some PCI error on startup though
09:49<papat>can an ubuntu realtime kernel be installed on a debian system? is there any precompiled relatime kernel for debian?
09:49<abrotman>papat: try it, but don't expect us to help you if it dies
09:50<abrotman>Danger: anything in dmesg?
09:50<papat>abrotman, then the answer to the second question is "no"...
09:50<Danger>PCI error cannot allocated to region 5 I got on startup - what is dmseg
09:50<abrotman>papat: AFAIK .. no
09:50<papat>ok
09:51<Danger>oh hang on its in lspci now
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09:52<sushi>hi
09:52<kcynice>how to configure lindvd to play a dvd's all chapters one by one automately?
09:52<sushi>wath???
09:52<Danger>what am I looking at to see if it's supported it it says 02:16.0 Multimedia Video Controoler: Conexant CX32880.1.2.3 PCI video and Audio Decoder
09:52<sushi>yes
09:53<sushi>how are you
09:53<sushi>???
09:53<sushi>alguém brasileiro ai???
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09:54<Danger>oh shit the entire system has frozen :(
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09:57<TIBS01>wot shall i do
09:57<TIBS01>about my webcam then
09:57<TIBS01>i got this error
09:57<TIBS01>when trying to run motion
09:58<TIBS01>http://rafb.net/p/dO742z92.html
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10:03<Maulkin>You get that error when trying to run motion?
10:04<Danger>Synaptic has changed a bit
10:04<fxiny>before i forget : lenny installs++ on etch very first installer base image ...
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10:05<fxiny>some etch packages (like bash ) are kept then installed at reboot
10:06<fxiny>so i think i'll remove all x stuff from this box before upgrading
10:06<Maulkin>fxiny: file a bug/installation report please :)
10:06<fxiny>Maulkin: no bugs
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10:07<fxiny>Maulkin: perfect : i accepted aptitude suggestions . booted into 2.6.26 and upgraded
10:07<Danger>Hey another problem guys I'm trying to install r-base and I get "the following packages have unresolvable package dependancies" in synaptic any clues how to fix that?
10:08<TIBS01>oh man
10:08<TIBS01>can someone help me
10:08<TIBS01>im getting errors left right n center
10:08<abrotman>Danger: paste the full output
10:08<abrotman>!pastebin
10:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:08<TIBS01> phpgroupware-phpsysinfo
10:08<TIBS01>W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
10:08<abrotman>wtf
10:09<TIBS01>apt-get install ffmpeg
10:09<abrotman>TIBS01: comment that line out in your /etc/apt/sources.list
10:09<TIBS01>thats the only site
10:09<TIBS01>that does ffmpeg
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10:09<TIBS01>i goto get it for motion
10:09<TIBS01>cos it aint loading piccys
10:09<abrotman>not for sarge
10:10<abrotman>are you using sarge?
10:10<TIBS01>shell1:~# uname -a
10:10<TIBS01>Linux shell1.gibbs-hosting.co.uk 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
10:10<TIBS01>shell1:~#
10:10<abrotman>that's etch
10:10<abrotman>!tell TIBS01 about dmm
10:10<TIBS01>so
10:10<TIBS01>it aint debian ?
10:11<TIBS01>how do i change to sarge then ?
10:11<TIBS01>or...
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10:11<TIBS01>the new version
10:11<TIBS01>?
10:11<danger2>The following packages have unmet dependencies.
10:11<danger2> r-base: Depends: r-base-core (>= 2.7.1-1+lenny1) but it is not going to be installed
10:11<danger2> Depends: r-recommended (= 2.7.1-1+lenny1) but it is not going to be installed
10:11<TIBS01>lenny
10:12<Danger>sry had to log install chatzilla on lenney danger2 is me too
10:12<abrotman>danger2: paste the full error in a pastebin .. and your /etc/apt/sources.list
10:12<zolek>hey, is there any way to mount a playstation 2 formatted disk to linux? cannot find anythiing on google so i give a try here, or to transfer files to the drive via the network?
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10:13<TIBS01>how do i change from etsh
10:13<TIBS01>to sarge then
10:13<danger2>LINUX-P4D:/etc/apt# cat sources.list
10:13<danger2># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Beta i386 DVD Binary-1 20080707-10:14]/ lenny contrib main
10:13<danger2># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Beta i386 DVD Binary-1 20080707-10:14]/ lenny contrib main
10:13<danger2>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib
10:13<danger2>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib
10:13<abrotman>TIBS01: you don't!
10:13<abrotman>danger2: PASTEBIN
10:14<TIBS01>mmmmm
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10:14<abrotman>danger2: you need a regular source
10:14<abrotman>!tell TIBS01 about dmm
10:14<abrotman>danger2: /msg dpkg sources.list
10:14<Danger>sry I dont know what the paste bin is
10:14<abrotman>Danger: /msg dpkg mirrors
10:14<abrotman>!paste
10:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:14<TIBS01>so dmm
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10:16<TIBS01>u know them easy
10:16<TIBS01>apt-get sites that give u the download sites
10:16<TIBS01>wots the website for it
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10:16<abrotman>!dmm
10:16<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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10:17<weasel>!u
10:17<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
10:17<Danger>is the a "main" repo for lenney
10:17<Danger>I've only my install DVD listed and "secutiry" mirror or something
10:17<abrotman>Danger: which country are you in?
10:17<Danger>UK
10:18<TIBS01>now im lost
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10:18<abrotman>Danger: add "deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ lenny main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
10:18<TIBS01>i dunno how to get webcam working
10:18<TIBS01>www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:81/webcam
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10:20<Danger>sweet that awesome thanks for your help abrotman
10:20<Danger>R's downloading like a bitch on heat now
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10:25<Danger>FYI: on the KWorld DVB - T100 - in case it pops up in the future - it was in lspci - but after 4 minutes (for no reason) whenever the card was plugged in lenny just froze completely
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10:26<fxiny>Maulkin: right . shall i do it again to get a list of packages not installed ?
10:26<fxiny>can't find any note
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10:29<fxiny>Maulkin: i have aptitiude log :)
10:29<Danger>okay last question and I'll leave you all be and play with my new OS. Is it possible to install Flash 9 on lenny
10:29<Danger>for iceweasel that is
10:29<TIBS01>tell
10:30<TIBS01>me how i fix these errors
10:30<TIBS01>!pastebin
10:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:30<TIBS01>http://rafb.net/p/aQnt5q91.html
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10:31<fxiny>bash , doc-debian ,libsasl2-2 , libuuid1 , openssh-client
10:31<fxiny>on hold
10:31<TIBS01>huh
10:31<TIBS01>how i fix that
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10:32<TIBS01>?
10:33<abrotman>Danger: yes-ish .. there are free alternatives .. you can use the ones from debian-multimedia.org ... or you can get it yourself from adobe.com (and learn the alternatives system)
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10:34<Danger>thanks again
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10:34<abrotman>if you want the free ones .. use gnash or swfdev
10:34<abrotman>erm .. swfdec
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10:35<TIBS01>someone help me
10:35<TIBS01>pls
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10:36<MrNaz`>where should you put your desired path additions? in .bashrc ?
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10:38<fxiny>here it is
10:38<fxiny>Maulkin: http://paste.debian.net/16078/
10:38<fxiny>and anyone interested
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10:38<fxiny>Apr 15 2007 is the old one , then Sat, Aug 30 2008 13:48:07 +0200 is the upgrade
10:39<Danger>thanks abrotman I've gone with the Adobe version at the moment and I'll see if the free versions work on the sites I use later
10:39<fxiny>#
10:39<fxiny>[REMOVE, DEPENDENCIES] libsasl2
10:39<fxiny>iirc that was the aptitude suggestion
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10:40<sysop2>ne1 here got a sprint u720 working in lenny?
10:40<fxiny>i'll try removing anything x related on this box before upgrading to lenny , it ,ight work
10:41<andax>xorg starts using 98 dpi by default, so i have to start x with like startx -- -dpi 96 to get 'normal' visuals. How do I keep this setting when using gdm? ( lenny, xorg 1.4.2)
10:41<egypcio>errr... what about vmwareServer1.0.7 & lenny? anyone?
10:43<andax>egypcio, do you get the library missing errors?
10:43<abrotman>!ne1
10:43<dpkg>There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s)
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10:44<egypcio>andax; will try it now... just made safe-upgrade couple days ago
10:45<egypcio>1min..
10:45<sysop2>ok has anyone got a u720 working in lenny.
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11:09<egypcio>andax; http://pastebin.com/d3d770432
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11:10<egypcio>hes gone. nice. x.x
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11:25<snakeacid>hi all i try get java in in iceweasel going i try some tutorials but dosent wörk
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11:26<abrotman>snakeacid: which architecture ?
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11:26<snakeacid>i have a 64 bit java 5.0
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11:27<snakeacid>java is installed already netbeans and eclipse works fine
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11:27<abrotman>that wasn't what i asked
11:27<snakeacid>i dont know then what you want to know
11:28<snakeacid>i ma new sorry
11:28<snakeacid>debian etch?
11:28<abrotman>amd64?
11:28<snakeacid>yes
11:28<abrotman>there is no browser plugin for sun java for amd64
11:29<abrotman>you can try the free alternatives
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11:29<snakeacid>hmm
11:30<snakeacid>how can i get free alternatives?
11:30<snakeacid>or were?
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11:40<egypcio>vmware-any-any-update117d solved lenny_2.6.26-1-amd64 + vmwareserver1.0.7 issue. just a note.
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11:41<norfen>hi, hola buen dia....
11:41<norfen>alguien de habla español
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11:43<fxiny>breaking news : so , i'm playing with lenny . fresh install . it boots like a rocket and we know it. i was wondering what io performances lenny can offer to a user box , so i did the lamest of all test : time cp 996Mb_real.file . lenny 2.6.26 does it in 0m32.086s . same file etch gives me 1m17.620s . any better test i can try ?
11:43<norfen>hola....
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11:50<styx>hi, is there a way to clean up /var/lib/dpkg/status? my file is >2MB and it feels slow when apt-ing
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11:51<octoserver>when I try to sonfigure the screen saver, my desktop turns black and my right click menu disapears. Any ideas why?
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11:53<octoserver>i am in KDE, do i need xscreensaver ?
11:54<yogahnee>hi what would be the minimum packages I would need to install X on a dedicated server to tunnel a browser through ssh
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11:57<ansgar>yogahnee: If you just install the browser the dependecies should pull everything else required in.
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11:57<yogahnee>i thought so too but iceweasle didn't pull any x-server
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11:58<abrotman>you can run it remotely .. it doesn't require X
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11:58<ansgar>yogahnee: The X server is running on your machine, no need to install one on the server.
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11:58<abrotman>!sshx
11:58<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
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11:59<yogahnee>thanks a lot I will test this
12:00<MrNaz`>how hard is it to replace exim4 with postfix in a debian install ?
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12:01<yogahnee>apt-get install postfix should make it default
12:01<fxiny>to replace it is pretty easy , then you have to read decent postfix docs
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12:02<MrNaz`>nice
12:02<MrNaz`>ugh
12:02<fxiny>use aptitude
12:02*MrNaz` hates reading docs
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12:02<MrNaz`>fxiny yes i dont use apt-get any more
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12:02<MrNaz`>but i hate not being able to make packages do what i want more
12:02<yogahnee>is there any real difference if you use the install remove etc. syntax?
12:03<MrNaz`>yogahnee doesnt look like it... aptitude just notified me that its removing exim4 and related packages for me and i only did the install
12:03<octoserver>anyone know what would cause control center to crash when clicking on the screensaver icon ?
12:03<fxiny>MrNaz`: are you upgrading to lenny ?
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12:07<MrNaz``>fxiny no
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12:07<MrNaz``>fxiny i'm installing a mail server using archiveopteryx which doesnt yet support exim4
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12:22<mimilici18>salutare
12:22<mimilici18>am instalat si eu debian
12:23<mimilici18>si cind imi buteaza dupa instalare
12:23<weasel>english?
12:23<mimilici18>imi da error 2
12:23<mimilici18>no speach englsh
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12:28<blarson>!es
12:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:28<blarson>!pt
12:28<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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12:29<dmoerner>!it
12:29<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:30<fxiny>he's romanian
12:30<dmoerner>we lose
12:30<mimilici18>eu sunt roman
12:31<weasel>romanus eunt domus
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12:39<mimilici18>vreun roman pe aici?
12:40<qq>eu
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12:54<rodrigo>list
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13:19<Tchou>Oii!!
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13:34<enouf>fxiny: 2.4.26 wha?! O_o
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13:34<enouf>fxiny: Deschutes likes 2.6.26 i see ;-) ==> 264. [UPGRADE] linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6 -> 2.6.26+15
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13:35<enouf>!ro
13:36<enouf>she's dead jim </bones>
13:38<fxiny>enouf: eh . good news . i'm upgrading my fat box to lenny .i'll do this one next month
13:38<dargol>hi, how do you add "hiddenmenu" functionality in grub-pc, saw http://grub.enbug.org/Hiddenmenu but where do you use it?
13:39<fxiny>enouf: i've crashed my psion ,f* !
13:39<enouf>fxiny: gah@
13:39<fxiny>need an eye transplant to open it up
13:40<fxiny>enouf: oh , btw . i see a huge io improvement , it's just me or what ?
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13:40<fxiny>more then double spped cping files
13:40<fxiny>speed*
13:41<enouf>fxiny: sweetness - fine tuned kernel-land :-)
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13:41<fxiny>enouf: impressive
13:41<enouf>O_o
13:41<fxiny>enouf: i'm on xmonad awesome and flux , testing
13:41<enouf>fxiny: oolala
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13:42<fxiny>i'll check them two old ladies krapfenware and doughnutsware next year :P
13:42<engkeboy>i have multiple hdds and i want to setup debian etch. i thought of using lvm to combine my hdds in one large drive. i've done setting it up and i got stuck in installing lilo boot loader.. i can't find a place to put the bootloader..
13:42<enouf>fxiny: you are too much ... lmao
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13:42<fxiny>why ?
13:43<enouf>fxiny: the terminology ;-p
13:43<fxiny>they are both seet :=)
13:43<fxiny>i use sweet irony :)
13:44<fxiny>enouf: i'll install 'em yes . nyt not now .
13:44<fxiny>but*
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13:46<engkeboy>bootloaders cannot be installed in lvm?
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13:53<pliqui>good afternoon all
13:54<pliqui>i'm having an issue when i'm trying to purge some gnome packages on debian lenny amd64
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13:54<pliqui>for example, i want to remove epiphany browser or the bluetooth applet and want to remove all the gnome
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13:55<pliqui>i tried aptitude keep-all but nothing happened
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13:56<mano>can someone help me with a configuration of my kicker?
13:57<mano>i want the kicker to show windows of only current desktop
13:57<screenn>pliqui do you want keep all packages except which you want to remove?
13:57<pliqui>yes
13:58<pliqui>i just want to clean my system a lil bit
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13:59<pliqui>if i tried to purge ekiga, will try to remove the gnome-desktop-environment, and its a meta package but actually remove all my gnome
14:00<screenn>pliqui you can do that
14:00<pliqui># aptitude purge ekiga Reading package lists... Done ... gnome gnome-desktop-environment
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14:01<pliqui>Remove the following packages: gnome gnome-desktop-environment
14:01<pliqui>i did that, and uninstall all the gnome
14:02<screenn>when you'll select package for delete, you can keep as installed all dependencies packages
14:02<screenn>did you try use aptitude?
14:02<dargol>hi, how do you add "hiddenmenu" functionality in grub-pc, saw http://grub.enbug.org/Hiddenmenu but where do you use it?
14:02<screenn>I mean just aptitude with menu
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14:03<screenn>pliqui you can keep any packages in aptitude before remove all
14:04<pliqui>i'm using aptitude, i did that like a year ago when i reinstalled debian, but i dont remember if its a command set in the apt.conf
14:04<pliqui>not with the menu
14:04<pliqui>console
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14:05<screenn>just try use aptitude without any parameters
14:05<qq>pliqui: install gnome-core is enough , instead of all gnome
14:06<pliqui>uninstall the one i have now and then the gnome-core?
14:06<screenn>it's all because aptitude delete all installed dependencies in default
14:07<qq>no, if it is already done
14:08<screenn>but when you'll use aptitude with menu, you have a chance to keep any packages before removing
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14:09<pliqui>k, let me check
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14:09<screenn>you can install some package with dependencies for example
14:09<screenn>and trying that
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14:10<pliqui>says that gnome depends on bluez-gnome the bluetooth applet
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14:10<screenn>try to remove only that package and keep his dependencies as installed
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14:11<screenn>seems synaptic do that
14:12<screenn>keeps dependencies in default
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14:12<Tuplad>I have a problem with sound! My media players play music, but when I try to view a flash on a site I dont have any sound...
14:12<Tuplad>Anyone had this maybe ?
14:13<screenn>maybe somebody knows how to remove package with all installed dependencies in synaptic?
14:13<screenn>Tuplad sure,
14:13<Tuplad>screenn: use aptitude ?
14:13<screenn>I'm using both system
14:13<Tuplad>screenn: know what to do about it ?
14:13<pliqui>i prefer apitude purge name_of_package
14:13<screenn>aptitude and synaptic
14:14<Tuplad>screenn: then just click enter on the selected package, go to dependencies and press - on all of them
14:14<pliqui>with synaptic right click the name of the package and select mark for complete removal
14:14<screenn>synaptic has good options for search
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14:15<screenn>Tuplad I'll try help you with your sound problem
14:16<Tuplad>screenn: oh please do :) I already had problems with sound today. I accidentally shut down my computer with the power off button and then I had to reconfigure it all over again and set the default sound card.
14:17<screenn>Tuplad do you use a gnome?
14:17<Tuplad>scorche|sh: yes
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14:17<Tuplad>screenn: yes
14:18<screenn>so, gnome use esound system
14:18<Tuplad>I use alsa actually
14:18<screenn>ok
14:18<screenn>you can use both
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14:19<screenn>I mean use alsa and esound together without any problems
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14:19<Tuplad>yeah :)
14:19<screenn>so, you need libesd-alsa0
14:19<snakeacid>is there any linux game hackn slay like diablo style?
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14:20<screenn>Tuplad for first install that
14:21<Tuplad>screenn: done, it removed libesd and installed libesd-alsa0
14:21<screenn>it's ok
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14:21<screenn>did you install that?
14:21<xaniel>Hello
14:21<bighornram>does the current lenny kernel amd64 have hfsplus capability in it?
14:21<pliqui>not even with aptitude cant keep the dependencies
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14:22<Tuplad>scorche|sh: yes
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14:22<screenn>have you a gnome-alsamixer?
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14:23<Tuplad>no, installing it now
14:23<screenn>good
14:23<Tuplad>installed
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14:24<screenn>have you esound?
14:24<screenn>install that also
14:24<Tuplad>yes have that
14:25<screenn>ok
14:26<screenn>now you need some changes in configuration files
14:26<Tuplad>tell me :)
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14:27<screenn>http://paste.debian.net/16092/
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14:28<screenn>it's a first step
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14:28<Tuplad>asound.conf is empty, right ?
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14:30<screenn>sure
14:30<screenn>second step http://paste.debian.net/16093
14:31<Tuplad>hmm, the first step
14:32<Tuplad>ah, nevermind :p
14:32<screenn>did you it?
14:32<Tuplad>done
14:33<screenn>good
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14:33<screenn>and now open your gnome-control-center
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14:34<Tuplad>yes
14:34<screenn>and open sound
14:34<Tuplad>yes
14:34<screenn>what system you use for gnome now?
14:34<pliqui>brb going to remove the metapacakge and then just install the core
14:34<Tuplad>screenn: what you mean ?
14:34<Tuplad>screenn: debian lenny
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14:35<screenn>I men alsa, oss or esd?
14:35<screenn>I mean
14:35<Tuplad>ah
14:35<Tuplad>I use ALSA normally
14:35<screenn>I think alsa right?
14:35<screenn>good
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14:35<screenn>trying now
14:35<Tuplad>but in there it says "auto detect"
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14:36<screenn>try alsa
14:36<screenn>not autodetect
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14:36<Tuplad>done
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14:36<Tuplad>lets see :)
14:37<screenn>you can enable system sounds
14:37<Basilio>hello everyone. a simple question about shell scripting: how to check the existance of a file?
14:37<Basilio>#
14:37<Basilio>if "file foo exists"
14:37<Basilio>then
14:37<Basilio> do_something
14:37<Basilio>fi
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14:37<Basilio>ops
14:37<Tuplad>nope, still no sound in flash files
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14:38<Tuplad>tried youtube
14:38<pliqui>ja ! didnt have to purge all
14:38<pliqui>thanks for your help guys
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14:38<screenn>open gnome-control-center -> sound again
14:38<Jubart>iaew galera do mal
14:39<Jubart>brazukas rulam !!!
14:39<Tuplad>screenn: Im there
14:39<Tuplad>screenn: musicplayer doesnt play either now
14:40<screenn>have you an alsa choice in options?
14:40<screenn>are you sure?
14:40<Tuplad>yes
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14:40<screenn>in all options
14:40<Tuplad>I can choose between: USB Audio, ALSA, ESD and OSS
14:40<Tuplad>I have an external usb sound card btw
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14:40<screenn>use alsa
14:40<screenn>everywhere
14:41<screenn>and try to enable system sounds
14:41<Tuplad>yes
14:41<Tuplad>did
14:41<Tuplad>they wont play
14:41<screenn>in another window
14:41<screenn>ok, open that gstreamer-properties
14:42<Tuplad>if I use autodetect it plays well
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14:42<screenn>did you open gstreamer-properties ?
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14:42<Tuplad>yes
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14:42<screenn>what you have there?
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14:43<screenn>what options for default output and input I mean
14:43<Tuplad>module: alsa, device: default
14:43<Tuplad>channel: alsasink
14:43<Tuplad>next to channel there is a button "test", if I click it I get: "ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture: Could not open audio device for playback."
14:44<screenn>plugin alsa, device default, in audio options, right?
14:44<Tuplad>yes
14:44<screenn>good
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14:46<screenn>try to restart system
14:46<Tuplad>ok
14:48<Tuplad>brb
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14:57<Tuplad>back :}
14:57<bighornram>can I format an external drive HPF with my lenny box?
14:58<screenn>Tuplad nice to see you again ;)
14:58<Ryan52>bighornram: what?
14:58<screenn>Tuplad so, have you a sound now?
14:59<Ryan52>bighornram: I have no clue what HPF means...
14:59<Ryan52>other than fortran, but that makes no sense :)
14:59<bighornram>I am looking at reformatting my ipod, hpf plus is a mac format.
14:59<Ryan52>ah
14:59<Tuplad>screenn: lets test
15:00<bighornram>i dunno if the kernel has the capability compiled in it.
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15:00<Tuplad>screenn: nope
15:01<screenn>very interesting, wait a minute
15:01<bighornram>I'm guessing it is NOT compliled in it so my question would be how would I add this.
15:01<qq>cat /boot/config-2.6.26-1-486 | grep HPF
15:01<qq>CONFIG_HPFS_FS=m
15:01<screenn>are you sure what you use alsa for gnome?
15:02<Tuplad>screenn: well, I think I am. I always use alsamixer in console to manage my volume
15:02<Ryan52>I thought it was called hfs...
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15:10<bighornram>qq: ahh thanks just found your post. The cat command would add capability or check if it already can?
15:12<qq>cat is just telling what is in kernel config
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15:24<AllertGen>Hellow, everyone. Can anyone help me with trouble on russian language?
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15:27<upsilon>!ask
15:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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15:39<bighornram>I've been reading about the hfsplus package in debian, it states this package will "allow access to HFS+ volumes. Would this enable read/write access or simply read access?
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15:42<AllertGen>Hmm.. Ok, try on english: I want to install Debian on 3 logical part of primary master HDD (IDE-ATA format). But when run cheking HDD on logical parts happing trubl: http://i38.tinypic.com/2hmlevt.jpg What this mean? (I'm very sorry for my bad english)
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15:42<upsilon>oh, I thought you meant help with russian fonts or something, not IN russion :p
15:43<upsilon>russian*
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15:43<upsilon>!ru
15:43<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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15:44<AllertGen>dpkg »» Wery thanks for help
15:44<dpkg>AllertGen: i don't know
15:44<Nemoder>"Highly experimental" means it might not work.
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15:47<simonrvn>AllertGen: dpkg is a bot...
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15:51<AllertGen>simonrvn »» maybe, but he help me :)
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16:11<k6>hi, i'm looking for my hard drive disk age. Is it possible to retrieve this information ?
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16:21<Ryan52>k6: smartctl
16:21<Ryan52>(install smartmontools first)
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16:43<spector>hello
16:43<spector>does anyone use lenny?
16:44<spector>i'm haviing problem with the nvidia driver after the last update
16:44<spector>*having
16:44<stevecotton>!popcon
16:44<dpkg>from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
16:44<stevecotton>!ask
16:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
16:44<stevecotton>bah, I fail at getting the right tip out of dpkg
16:44<spector>haha
16:46<Ryan52>spector: you need to redo the m-a stuff
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16:46<Ryan52>assuming you mean after kernel upgrade...you never said what you actually upgraded.
16:46<spector>Ryan52, i followed the insturction here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free
16:47<spector>and i have the nvidia module compiled and installed
16:47<Ryan52>okay.
16:47<spector>i can load it with modprobe
16:47<Ryan52>after a kernel upgrade, you need to redo the m-a stuff
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16:47<spector>done
16:47<stevecotton>how is it failing?
16:47<spector>it is working
16:47<stevecotton>(what error do you see)
16:47<Ryan52>so you have no problem then?
16:47<spector>no
16:47<spector>when i start x
16:48<spector>i have this
16:48<spector>(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
16:48<Ryan52>and it worked at one point?
16:49<Ryan52>and you didn't remove any packages since then?
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16:49<spector>it was working before i update the kernel
16:49<Ryan52>and your sure you *redid* the m-a stuff?
16:49<spector>i've finished now =)
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16:49<Ryan52>after a kernel upgrade you have to *redo* all of the stuff. I think that that's your problem...
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16:50<spector>if this wa the proble i should not load it with modprobe
16:50<spector>*was
16:50<spector>but i can
16:50<spector>debian:/home/spector# lsmod | grep nvidia
16:50<spector>nvidia 7086148 0
16:50<spector>i2c_core 19828 2 nvidia,i2c_i801
16:50<spector>agpgart 28776 2 nvidia,intel_agp
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16:50<Ryan52>!pastebin
16:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
16:50<spector>sorry
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16:51<spector>http://paste.debian.net/16107/
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16:52<stevecotton>Does /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so exist? It might be referring to that module instead.
16:53<spector>no such file or directory
16:53<Ryan52>spector: I have it...
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16:54<spector>Ryan52, i was talking about the kernel module
16:54<Ryan52>install nvidia-glx
16:54<Ryan52>spector: stevecotton was talking about the xorg driver
16:55<spector>i do not have the xorg driver
16:55<stevecotton>I'm thinking that the error message might be referring to either of the two thingies called "nvidia"
16:55<Ryan52>spector: you need it
16:55<Ryan52>spector: apt-get install nvidia-glx
16:55<k6>Ryan52, i did a smartctl -a and it showed :
16:55<k6>Error 160 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 16969 hours (707 days + 1 hours)
16:55<k6> When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was in an unknown state.
16:56<k6>plus some other errors
16:56<spector>on the howto from http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free is it written to wget them and install the with dpkg
16:56<spector>than do a apt-get -f install to fix some dependencies
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16:57<stevecotton>well, reinstall them that way then
16:57<spector>but it did not reinstall the nvidia-glx package...
16:57<Ryan52>spector: then do it that way. doesn't matter.
16:57<Ryan52>what happened when you tried?
16:57<spector>now i've reinstalled them
16:58<Ryan52>now try to start x again.
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16:58<spector>back soon
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16:58<tlmiller>What's diff about his nvidia setup that he can't use the driver supplied @nvidia.com?
16:59<cwood>Question: how does audtool connect to a running audacious instance? When I ssh into a machine and run audtool, it reports nothing for the current song. In an xterm in the same session on the machine, it reports the correct song.
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17:00<spector>ok, it was quite simple, but i did not noticed nvidia-glx was not installed
17:00<spector>thanks guys
17:00<spector>\o/
17:00<stevecotton>tlmiller: well, the Debian Way is to use the debian package for it. Although I'm using the non-packaged way, it is annoying (have to reinstall the nvidia stuff whenever the kernel or xorg is updated).
17:00<Ryan52>tlmiller: it's not the debian way...
17:00<Ryan52>I like the packaged. it works, and I trust it more.
17:01<Ryan52>spector: yw
17:01<tlmiller>does the packaged edition support everything the nvidia.com includes? (e.g. tv out support)
17:01<Ryan52>tlmiller: it's the same thing
17:02<qq>tlmiller: packaged edition means ?
17:02<qq>...ubuntu
17:02<tlmiller>qq, the one available via apt-get
17:03<qq>hmm, never view this ...
17:03*tlmiller installed nvidia.com driver earlier today, was thinking of re-doing after seeing there might be a better way
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17:06<tremor_>is it possible, to define additional parameters to m-a? e.g. for wpa_supplicant to also support use of the madwifi driver instead of only supporting wext, atmel and wired?
17:06<gustav>Hello
17:06<Ryan52>hi
17:07<Ryan52>tremor_: did you read the man page / wiki page / /usr/share/doc/?
17:07<Ryan52>tremor_: if you did, then no, there isn't a way
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17:07<k6>could someone tell me if I should worry about this hdd report ? => http://pastebin.com/m4270fb01
17:08<k6>Actually I wonder where I can get info on smartctl error codes
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17:08<Ryan52>k6: smartctl blah blah blah 2>&1 >/dev/null; echo $?
17:09<tremor_>in the manpages was only an information, to build wpa_supplicant manually and enable the desired drivers
17:09<stevecotton>cwood - it appears to be using both X11 and DBus, according to strace. Probably better to look at the source to work out what it's doing.
17:09<stevecotton>!strace
17:09<dpkg>methinks strace is a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems
17:10<cwood>stevecotton: aha, thank you. I wonder off the bat if ssh'ing in will let me connect to an already running dbus. Hm.
17:10<k6>Ryan52, no it is smartctl internal error codes
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17:10<Ryan52>k6: I know. I am asking you for the return code. the return code is actually useful from smartctl.
17:11<k6>64?
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17:11<k6>(this is the error code)
17:12<Ryan52>k6: maybe you should run a quick smart test through your bios and see if it complains...if it does, then you know theres something wrong. if not, then blame linux.
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17:14<panagos>can i change the bit depth of xorg on the fly? or, how can i run a bare xorg with a changed bit depth? i tried Xorg :10 -depth 16 & xterm -display :10 & but xterm fails! (tried various display numbers)
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17:14<k6>Ryan52, i'll do it for sure. Do you know where I can get some info about smartctl error code?
17:15<Ryan52>that's not an error code...
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17:15<Ryan52>that's the processor registers...
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17:15<k6>Ryan52, "Error 160 occurred at disk power-on lifetime"
17:16<Ryan52>ah.
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17:16<cwood>panagos: Don't you have to start the xterm when you have $DISPLAY and other things set from starting the X server?
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17:16<Ryan52>k6: look at the source? :)
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17:16<commmmodo>can anyone tell me, when I do ls -la to look at files' permissions, what an "@" means?
17:16<k6>Ryan52, good idea :) thanks for all Ryan52 you helped me a lot :)
17:16<panagos>cwood: if i run Xorg :foo -depth 16 &, a new X starts up with nothing but a mosaic background
17:16<k6>see ya
17:17<stevecotton>panagos: not sure what else is wrong, but your xterm will try to connect to the X server while the Xserver is still setting up.
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17:17<cwood>panagos: sounds reasonable, as you've started X but not started any clients.
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17:17<Ryan52>commmmodo: an @ where?
17:18<Ryan52>commmmodo: did you read the man page?
17:18<commmmodo>-rwxr-xr-x@ 1 _www _www 106 Aug 31 15:52 spin
17:18<panagos>stevecotton: i also tried waiting till it starts up
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17:18<commmmodo>ryan52, yes, its in the man, my bad... can't believe i missed that...
17:18<panagos>cwood: so how shoud i do it?
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17:19<Trollinator>does the current Sid Kernel contain ext4 support?
17:19<panagos>i'm getting this message from xterm: "Xorg: client 1 rejected from local host"
17:19<Ryan52>commmmodo: what is it?
17:19<cwood>panagos: maybe add a sleep statement, or find out what the right $DISPLAY is and use that, or just go through xinit and use your .xinitrc.
17:19<commmmodo>symbolic link, which doesn't make sense because this isn't a symbolic link...
17:20<Ryan52>my symbolic links dont look like that...
17:20<stevecotton>panagos: IIRC, that means that the xterm is connecting to the xserver, but the server's security settings reject it.
17:20<commmmodo>ryan52: man ls | grep @
17:21<Ryan52>do as I say, not as I do :)
17:21<Ryan52>that's a different thing anywayt
17:21<commmmodo>oh really?
17:21<Ryan52>it's saying at the end of the filename, not at the end of the permissions
17:21<commmmodo>ah, hmmm
17:22<commmmodo>i thought it might be something put in there by svn, because i seem to remember that from a while ago, but i don't know for sure
17:22<cwood>man ls | grep @
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17:22<panagos>stevecotton: i guess it has to do with XSECURITY(7)?
17:22<commmmodo>what's up cwood?
17:22*cwood is sleeepy.
17:22<stevecotton>Trollinator: hang around for the answer dammit! the linux-kernel-source packages has the code for it, but I wouldn't expect it to be enabled in a precompiled kernel.
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17:25<stevecotton>panagos: not my strong point there
17:25<AzaTht>if I have trouble with tcp checksum offloading with an freescale processor, where you think I should start looking?
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17:38<panagos>what is the debian way to make munin stop sending me email?
17:39<Ryan52>panagos: edit it's config file...
17:39<Ryan52>panagos: read the man page for how to do that...
17:41<panagos>Ryan52: i can't find it anywhere... :|
17:41*Ryan52 shrugs
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17:42<panagos>i'm getting an email every 5 minutes!
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17:55<seeker>i have two problems both of which are driving me nuts. first i have a chromatic research mpact2 video on motherboard and can not find specific debian drivers for it. i am useing vesa now but if left alone for an hour or more the screen does not come back as it was
17:56<aslag>I used an etch install cd to set up lvm + encryption on a n box and I'd like to compile a patched kernel. What do I need to do get device mapper support, lvm support, and dm_crypt support so that I can boot a custom kernel?
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17:59<Ryan52>aslag: base it off of debian's kernel with the configuration already there to do that. or ask somewhere else. custom compiled kernels aren't part of debian...
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18:00<aslag>Ryan52 "custom compiled kernels aren't part of debian" <- are you joking or retarded?
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18:01<aslag>Ryan52 why do you supposed make-kpkg exists and is in deb repositories?
18:01<seeker>Ryan52: do you have an answer to my chromatic research video driver problem?
18:01<aslag>*suppose
18:01<Ryan52>aslag: if you use that, then of course it's debian. but if your using all kernel.org stuff, then no...
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18:02<Ganneff>its not debian. its an own kernel build with on modifications. it is just a .deb so your package management knows it.
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18:03<aslag>of course a custom kernel wouldn't be "debian" in the sense that it wouldn't be distributed by debian (duh, it's my own kernel). But that's different than ryan's assertion, namely that asking about making custom kernels is silly (or whatever) because making them is unsupported or "not a part of debian"
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18:04<aslag>this can't be all THAT hard, I'm just looking for a few tips; I suppose t neither of you brain-drains know how to do it, eh?
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18:05<Ganneff>i just patch and then build with it. you want to read the man page/docs for it if you want more.
18:06<aslag>do you use make-kpkg to help you with the initrd or do you build that cowboy-style? I tried to use make-kpkg but it barfed on my kernel config. That is the reason I came here and asked about it; perhaps I'm misusing the tool or something
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18:06<binary>hey all
18:06<binary>Anybody here having problems with iceweasel in lenny?
18:06<Ganneff>i tryo to avid initrd foo.
18:07<aslag>well that "foo" is necessary for things like encrypted root partitions and such. I suppose you don't use such advanced features then, do you?
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18:08<seeker>anyone: is my text getting through it shows on my screen but don't know if others are seeing it
18:08<aslag>seeker: yes
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18:08*binary thinks "aslag" really is A SLAG :-P
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18:09<seeker>aslag: thanks
18:09<seeker>is there an answer to my video driver issue?
18:09<binary>aslag: just kidding :-)
18:09<aslag>seeker: I read it but don't have any input, sorry
18:10<aslag>binary: no offense taken; I'm battling the usual linux-irc nitwit comments but I'm not getting very far
18:10<seeker>aslag: thank you does anyone else have any experience with this video driver problem
18:10<binary>aslag: :-(
18:10<binary>seeker: what video driver problem?
18:11<aslag>I love the "what you're trying to do isn't supported" answer in when the person answering just doesn't know what the hell you're asking about
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18:11<weasel>"I see stupid people everywhere" -- the 6th sense.
18:11<weasel>now more true than ever.
18:11<seeker>binary: i have a chromatic research mpact2 on my motherboard and am using vesa but would like to find a debian driver specific to that video
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18:14<binary>seeker: good luck ;-)
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18:15<dmoerner>seeker, there isn't one
18:15<dmoerner>oh he left
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18:16<dmoerner>we had a discussion about this last week actually
18:16<binary>dmoerner: :-D
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18:26<binary>so.. nobody having problems with iceweasel in lenny?
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18:26<Ryan52>binary: no. what are your problems?
18:26<Ryan52>!ask
18:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
18:26<Ryan52>(problems is a little vague)
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19:03<styx>hi, is there a way to clean up /var/lib/dpkg/status? my file is >2MB and it feels slow when apt-ing. Version: all
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19:04<abrotman>styx: dpkg --forget-old-unavail .. maybe?
19:04<styx>rtyin
19:04<abrotman>mine is just a hair under 2MB
19:04<styx>after i find out what's eatin my CPU
19:05<abrotman>top ?
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19:28<enouf>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1489237 2008-08-28 17:44 /var/lib/dpkg/status
19:28<enouf>!win me
19:28<dpkg>Congratulations, enouf! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island!
19:28<weasel>what did you do?
19:28<enouf>lost some weight?
19:29<weasel>you don't look it
19:29<enouf> .. i'm wearing baggy clothes :-p
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19:30<Villarroel>Hi!
19:31<abrotman>weasel: do you know if don sent a vacation-ish email?
19:31<abrotman>some guy on fn keeps coming and looking for him
19:31<Villarroel>Is out there a howto on using Jack, with the mozilla plugins?
19:32<weasel>abrotman: check ldap?
19:32<enouf>abrotman: ewww
19:32<abrotman>weasel: i can't?
19:32<weasel>why not?
19:32<Ryan52>abrotman: db.debian.org
19:32<abrotman>i can?
19:32<abrotman>yeah .. that .. but that won't tell me if he said he'd be MIA for a week or so
19:32<enouf>abrotman: do a /who on him
19:33<weasel>I wonder what the on-vacation checkbox on that search form actually does
19:33<abrotman>i meant more like to -private :)
19:33<enouf>abrotman: stevedondley H n=dondelel@c-71-232-180-65.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (New Now Know How)
19:33<abrotman>enouf: i'm aware of that
19:34<weasel>abrotman: if he did to private I couldn't tell you
19:34<enouf>well, don was down in arg for dc08
19:34<abrotman>weasel: damn this privacy thing :)
19:34<weasel>ask me again in three years :)
19:35<abrotman>yeah yeah
19:35<abrotman>oh well
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19:35<abrotman>the guy will just have to wait
19:35*enouf encrypts abrotman 's ultrabay
19:35<abrotman>don't have one
19:35*abrotman goes
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19:36<topher>Does anyone know how to get DWL-650 (rev M) working in Debian Etch?
19:36<topher>I got one light blinking on the network but I can't get it to find my access point.
19:37<topher>I'm thinking that since I have wep key set up to an ascii code that that might be part of the problem..?
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19:40<askara>hey
19:40<askara>HDA Intel: probe of 0000:00:1b.0 failed with error -16 <- big problem !! nothing to do, my soundcard didn't work...
19:41<askara>Alsa is compiled by me...
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20:40<upsilon>hello, I changed a pam config file for login and now I can't log in as any user, including root
20:40<upsilon>what are my options for changing that config file back?
20:40<Ryan52>upsilon: get a live cd and boot from that. then change it back.
20:41*Ryan52 hopes you made backups
20:41<upsilon>nope :p
20:41<upsilon>but am I likely to need them?
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20:42<djtamse>hi i wonder if some one could help me out with squid 3
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20:42<Ryan52>upsilon: unless you remember what you changed and what it used to be
20:42<upsilon>yeah I can remember it, since it was only one line
20:43<Ryan52>!tell djtamse about ask
20:43<upsilon>but the livecd, does it matter what it's for?
20:43<djtamse>Ryan52 i tryed to config it my self but didtn go well so i hope for some one who could help me remoteley i installed ssh
20:43<Ryan52>upsilon: no. as long as it has an editor and can read ext3...
20:43<upsilon>ok, great
20:44<djtamse>i have webmin installed and dante-server for socks
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20:44<Ryan52>djtamse: webmin is part of your problem...
20:44<Ryan52>!webmin
20:44<dpkg>methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
20:44<amphi>djtamse: or boot with init=/bin/bash & fix it up
20:44<djtamse>should i try install debian from the beggining ?
20:45<Ryan52>djtamse: no. why would you. you only messed up squid, right?
20:45<djtamse>Ryan52 yes
20:45<Ryan52>you can put squid back to how it originally was
20:45<Ryan52>aptitude purge package; aptitude install package
20:45<djtamse>Ryan52 okay i try that
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20:49<djtamse>Ryan52 okay thanks now its from the start ;)
20:51<Ryan52>djtamse: use revision control this time :)
20:52<djtamse>Ryan52 ??
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20:53<Ryan52>git, subversion, cvs, bzr, etc...google it!
20:53<djtamse>kk
20:53<Ryan52>it keeps track of changes (you commit when you accomplish something good), then you can go back to older commits.
20:53<djtamse>nice
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20:58<djtamse>Ryan52 well have a nice day now i will try to see if i could get it to work ;)
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21:03<metrix>I am getting an error trying to use the 2.6.27 kernel when I upgrade to testing. something about "dom0 requires an unsupported hypervisor feature". where can I find information on bugs that could cause this?
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21:06<Ryan52>metrix: your trying to use this as a xen host?
21:06<metrix>yes
21:06<Ryan52>metrix: because the 2.6.27 kernel does not yet support xen dom0.
21:06<Ryan52>maybe .28 will...
21:06<Ryan52>so you'll have to use the kernel from etch
21:06<Ryan52>2.6.27 does work as a domU, though.
21:07<metrix>REALLY.. because there is actually a debian xen package for 2.6.27
21:07<Ryan52>2.6.27 does work as a domU
21:07<metrix>I see
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21:07<Ryan52>and the xen packages from lenny can be used with etch kernel
21:08<metrix>cool.
21:08<metrix>Thank you :)
21:08<Ryan52>no problem
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21:23<diego>hi there
21:23<diego>I wish to ban IP address that try to login incorrectly 3 times via ssh
21:23<diego>is it possible ?
21:23<Ryan52>apt-get install fail2ban
21:23<Ryan52>(that's all you have to do)
21:24<Ryan52>though that takes the ban away after 10 minutes
21:24<Ryan52>it's probably a setting...
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21:26<diego>Ryan52: thx
21:26<diego>I will check that
21:27<Ryan52>np
21:28<diego>also, i changed /etc/motd and it changes back
21:29<diego>I think it might be me updating ... but its really disturbing
21:29<Ryan52>diego: /etc/motd.tail
21:30<diego>thx again :-)
21:31<diego>and the last one for today lol ... is there a way to show a message before the password prompt in ssh
21:31<diego>to show 3 tries and you are banned message
21:31<diego>:)
21:31<enouf>diego: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187
21:32<enouf>diego: http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html
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22:20<gpl>There is a 3 letter command that I can use to figure out how to adjust my monitor
22:21<gpl>it's like gtf 1024 768 85
22:21<gpl>or gtf h-res v-res refresh rate
22:21<gpl>what was that command?
22:22<Ryan52>man gtf
22:22<gpl>gtf says invalid command
22:22<gpl>it's not gtf I don't htink
22:22<gpl>think
22:22<Ryan52>oh, *shrugs*
22:23<gpl>no manual entry for gtf
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22:24<Hideo>gpl: do you have xserver-xorg-core installed?
22:24<Hideo>gpl: gtf is packaged in xserver-xorg-core
22:24<qq>xrandr --help
22:24<gpl>it says it's already the newest version
22:25<gpl>uhm... the command is gtf
22:25<gpl>weird
22:25<gpl>no man file for gtf
22:25<gpl>gtf command not found
22:25<Hideo>gpl: I use sid and I have it
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22:25<gpl>oh, it's bash command not found
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22:27<diego>hi, how can I clean /var/log/auth.log safely
22:27<Ryan52>diego: install logrotate, and it will rotate it for you.
22:27<gpl>well, I tried typing in apt-get install xserver-xorg-core and it says I have the newest one
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22:28<Hideo>gpl: type "echo $PATH" and give us the output
22:29<gpl>/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
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22:29<Hideo>gpl: ok, how about "which gtf"
22:29<gpl>nothing happens
22:31<Hideo>gpl: I think, if you're using stable, gtf is not in there yet
22:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 329] by debhelper
22:32<Hideo>as far as I can see, gtf is only in testing and sid
22:32<enouf>does read-edid/get-edid help?
22:32<enouf>how about xrandr
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22:34<gpl>uhm... well, how do I fix my monitor resolution and refresh rate then
22:34<Ryan52>gpl: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
22:34<Ryan52>?
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22:35<enouf>also hwinfo --monitor
22:35<enouf>is there a backport for gtf? .. i guess not if it's part of xserver-xorg-core
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22:36<qq>xrandr
22:36<Hideo>yeah, install xbase-clients for xrandr
22:36<Hideo>it's in stable too
22:37<enouf>"sudo hwinfo --monitor"
22:37<enouf>Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1190090
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22:38<enouf>heh, the "refresh rate" factoid has the gtf info
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22:39<gpl>Ryan52, I tried that
22:39<gpl>I still can't get my monitor resolution to be 1024 by 768 (it keeps getting the one higher)
22:39<gpl>and the refresh rate is stuck at 61
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22:40<enouf>which driver gpl ?
22:40-!-Flexa [~gusto@189.81.97.192] has joined #debian
22:40<gpl>an onboard ATI
22:40<enouf>do grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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22:40<gpl>the monitor is the delta Dc-770
22:40<enouf>show us your video driver
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22:41<gpl>motherboard is a GA-MA74GM-S2
22:41<gpl>the graphics card is built in
22:41<enouf>wait - i remember that one .. O_o
22:41<enouf>gigabyte?
22:41<gpl>yeah
22:41<gpl>I had ubuntu
22:41<gpl>switched to debian
22:42<gpl>someone else had problems too?
22:42<enouf>is delta dc a lcd?
22:42<wired>does any one know where i can find about installing live lenny beta?
22:42<gpl>CRT
22:42<enouf>you mean 61 over 60 ?
22:43<enouf>why not use 85? O_o
22:43<enouf>wired: /msg dpkg debian-live
22:43<gpl>it's 61 now
22:43<gpl>but yeah, I want it 85
22:43<gpl>or 100
22:43<gpl>In WinXP it can get upt 100
22:44<gpl>though in ubuntu the max I can get it is 85
22:44<wired>thanks
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22:44<qq>wired: it may not yet do an installation
22:44<gpl>hold up I re configured my monitor, I'll be back
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22:44<enouf>wait - backup - the mobo issue was totally unrelated to any Monitor/Video - twas a Drive Controller issue or something
22:44<wired>well live boot is handy enough
22:44<enouf>weenie ;-)
22:45<enouf>wired: apt-cache show bootcd though i haven't tried it
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22:45<enouf>!info bootcd
22:45<wired>from boot enouf?
22:45<gpl>ok, I got the refresh rate to 85
22:45<gpl>but I just can't get the resolution to 1024 by 768
22:45<enouf>your monitor sucks?
22:46<dpkg>bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.11 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 280 kB
22:46<gpl>it kepes resorting to 1280 by 1024
22:46<gpl>yes, my monitor sux
22:46<enouf>that's an LCD resolution
22:46<gpl>well, it's fine in WInXP
22:46<enouf>:4
22:46<gpl>it's actually nice
22:46<enouf>5:4
22:46<gpl>I can get nice resolutions and ncie refresh rates (up to 100 refresh rate)
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22:47<enouf>Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "640x480" "320x240"
22:47<gpl>how about this
22:47-!-das_maze [~mathias@e178223119.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:47<gpl>someone type this into thier computer if they support gtf
22:47-!-parecen [~pascal@p549DC9EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
22:47<gpl>give me the output
22:47<gpl>gtf 1024 768 100
22:47<parecen>hello. could somebody hint me how to remove the device icons from my gnome desktop?
22:48<wired>ha
22:48<enouf>no need, xrandr and hwinfo --monitor tells me mine doesn't do 100
22:48<enouf>parecen: try gnome-volume-settings?
22:48<enouf>!gnome-volume-settings
22:49<enouf>crap
22:49<gpl>Okay, maybe I can just download gtf from somewhere
22:49<enouf>!gnome-volume-manager
22:49<dpkg>rumour has it, gnome-volume-manager is a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works
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22:49<enouf>or System > Preferences > something .... .... ...
22:49*parecen ponders
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22:49<enouf>parecen: ahh gnome-control-center ?
22:50<enouf>parecen: if i'm totally off my rocker - try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ?
22:50<parecen>haha
22:50<Hideo>gpl: http://pastebin.ca/1190097
22:50<parecen>thanks for trying tho
22:50<enouf>parecen: i don't use gnome, never have
22:51<gpl>thanks
22:51<parecen>you should. or are you a KDE nut?
22:51<enouf>nope
22:51<parecen>pure WM?
22:51<parecen>not even X?
22:51<enouf>i'm a bloated DE dissident aggressor :-0
22:51<parecen>haha!
22:51*parecen buys enouf
22:51<enouf>no, well m X is ok - links2 -g babay ;-)
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22:53<snogglethorpe>hmm never used links2 -g before... works pretty well
22:54<enouf>snogglethorpe: runs in Console as GUI too ;-)
22:54<parecen>thats a bit too hardcore for my taste, but as it floats your boat :)
22:55<enouf>hit up /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian for info though
22:55<enouf>!links2 settings
22:55<dpkg>i guess links2 settings is You can allocate more RAM + resources to links2, see File > Resource Info (and Memory Info) -- and then Settings > Cache (to set sizes). Then remember to do Settings > Save Options (once you like them) config file is in ~/.links2/links.cfg. Press [ESC] Help > keys to see some key bindings, and links.twibright.com and http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html for more - use [ESC] to toggle menu bar (or just click that area)
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22:59<enouf>hrm .. why would xlinks2 need to use the 'exec' wrapper ?
23:00<enouf>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428639
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23:00<enouf>maybe i should ask tralala is it?
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23:01<gango>please advise, i have 3 hdds with 320 capacity. i want to use debian etch and i want to mix the 3 hdds in one large drive. how to?
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23:02<grendelson>I unsuccessfully tried to dist-upgrade to lenny.
23:02<grendelson>I'm now stuck in some catch 22 upgrade ...
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23:03<grendelson>libldap2 is required but libldap-2.4-2 is required and I can't uninstall libldap2 since dirmngr fails to uninstall...
23:03<grendelson>anything I can try to force? I've tried --auto-configure and force but thes cript of dirmngr fails itself...
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23:03<Hideo>!tell gango about lvm
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23:04<parecen>oh my gosh, thats well hidden. configuration editor: apps / nautilus / desktop
23:04<parecen>there you can turn off these icons on the desktop
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23:05<grendelson>aptitude fails due to large # of errors and many of them seem to be due to libldap - but due to dirmngr I can't resolve this manuall....
23:06<parecen>and irc.gnome.org seems kind of dead btw
23:08<grendelson>I do feel I may have bought myslef a reinstall - but I would really like to try to finish this upgrade even with errors to give me more time to prepare for a reinstall...
23:09<grendelson>If there a way to force an install of libldap-2.4-2 even though I can't uninstall libldap2?
23:11<grendelson>aptitude is failing now and I can make more sense of the errors - almost all the files that are reporting unmet dependencies are reporting libldap but since libldap requires libldap2 to be removed nad libldap2 requires dirmngr to be removed and it is failing to remove I am stuck...
23:13<enouf>hrm, doesn't mdadm have JBOD mode?
23:13-!-ecomog [~ecomog@fl-67-76-0-27.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #debian
23:13<ecomog>anyone still uses these chat programs?
23:13<enouf>grendelson: aptitude install libldap=version
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23:14<enouf>grendelson: i'm not great with aptitude, i like apt-get :-0
23:14<enouf>parecen: what's "configuration editor" ?
23:15<grendelson>enouf - I tried apt-get as well adn it keeps failing at same place...
23:15<grendelson>the dirmngr is failing to uninstall adn setting off the catach 22
23:15<enouf>grendelson: well, are you upgraded mostly to lenny now?
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23:16<grendelson>enouf I had to switch between upgrade and dist-upgrade nad it upgraded a LARGE # of filees. Now I think I'm stuck on the nitty gritty but they are having far reaching effects..
23:16<enouf>aptitude and apt are newer versions now - aptitude now has a safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
23:16<parecen>enouf: the application "gconf-editor" in the menu Applications / System Tools
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23:17<enouf>have you removed all your pinning nonsense grendelson ? what about packages on Hold?
23:17<grendelson>enouf I got rid of whole preferences file to be sure... How can I check what is already on hold?
23:17<enouf>parecen: i see - thanks, i'll try to remember that ... but i won't
23:17<grendelson>soemthign in dpkg --set-selections I'm sure just not of syntax...
23:17<parecen>haha
23:18<enouf>!hold
23:18<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
23:18<grendelson>Ahh so by running aptitude in curses inetrface I should be able to see all files currently on hold....
23:19<enouf>i never used hold .. one of those things i never did , i'm sure there's a flag for it
23:19<enouf>yep
23:19<enouf>!aptitude-doc
23:19<grendelson>WOW I tried aptitude full-upgrade and it is getting a LOT of files....
23:19<enouf>!aptitude-doc-<cc>
23:19<enouf>something
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23:19<enouf>i hope you have no sid repos anymore :-P
23:20<grendelson>enouf NO - just the testing repos and security testing...
23:20<enouf>you really should read how the pkg manager you like and use works
23:20<enouf>changelogs, etc
23:20<grendelson>I switched from apt-get to aptitude a while back but can't recall why I did (the instructions all referred to it I guess)
23:21<grendelson>THe trouble is I work really hard on the box get ti teh way I want then don't touch anything again for 4-6 months then cant' remember why I chose what I did or setup how I did :-(
23:21<enouf>sure - aptitude is recommended (for whatever reason)
23:21<enouf>so learn it ;-)
23:22<grendelson>I've run into this problem before however - the actual init script to uninstall dirmngr (the failing app) is failing and the package manager cant handle that....
23:22<enouf>grendelson: if you have enough RAM or another machine, you should make a snapshot (load onto other machine or in a VM), and test upgrade the snapshot
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23:23<enouf>grendelson: there are tricks ;-)
23:23<grendelson>enouf- I do things like taht at work but never try that hard with my home PC...
23:23<grendelson>SO I spend an inordinate amount of time - fixing things
23:24<enouf>bad habits :-P
23:24<enouf>do you use Linux all the time though
23:24<enouf>?
23:25<grendelson>I use Windows in my work and Linux at home...
23:25<enouf>ugh
23:25<massmc>how do I update all my apps in apt-get?
23:25<grendelson>so I spend more time actually figuring out windows issues..
23:25<enouf>upgrade?
23:25<massmc>enouf, how
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23:26<enouf>!grounding
23:26<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
23:26<Hideo>that is a good factoid
23:26<enouf>!debian mantra
23:26<dpkg>[debian mantra] "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"
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23:26<enouf>Hideo: indeed
23:27<piper>dpkg -l | egrep '^h' should show whats on hold
23:27<dpkg>No packages found matching | egrep '^h' should show whats on hold
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23:27<Hideo>enouf: lots of time I was telling something to that extent and was told that I was being mean to the newbies :(
23:27<enouf>piper: what's the half-installed flag then?
23:27<Hideo>now that that factoid is there, no more excuse for them
23:27<enouf>bingo
23:27<piper>enouf: been a long time, don't remmeber
23:27<massmc>thanks for yer help enouf
23:28<enouf>aye
23:28<grendelson>I ahve no idea what changed but I was failing removing dirmngr, then I ran it piping output to txt file, the txt file however shows it removing and aptitude full-upgrade is actually running and grabbing MBs of packages... we'll see if it installs ANY of them when it finishes downloading (I really dont' want to have to fresh reinstall this week :-)
23:28<upsilon2>shouldn't that be 'aptitude safe-upgrade'? ;o
23:28<enouf>depends which Release
23:29<grendelson>upsilon2 safe-upgrade was failing... I started erroring from etch-lenny dist-upgrade so I tried full-upgrade... not much to lose now...
23:29<enouf>but yeah, i guess that mantra factoid should be edited and it explained
23:29<upsilon2>I know, I meant the factoid :)
23:29<parecen>grendelson: i think its not very wise to upgrade from etch to lenny during a freeze
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23:30<enouf>i don't know aptitude that well - safe-upgrade might be the default when one uses just upgrade
23:30<upsilon2>I thought that was the best time
23:30<grendelson>parecen - I never know what's going on ....
23:30<parecen>upsilon2: the best time is when stable is actually released
23:30<grendelson>I gotta read more...
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23:31<enouf>parecen: it'll be stable soon enough :-O not to mention, he had sid repos prior
23:31<upsilon2>other than that, I mean
23:31<parecen>and even then you should read the release notes first
23:31<upsilon2>since it's more or less the same thing
23:31<grendelson>piper THANKS for the cmd fragment - it shows me what is on hold as you stated and it is JUST one package as I thougt.
23:31<grendelson>(pan)
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23:31<parecen>no its not the same thing
23:31<piper>grendelson: no problem
23:31<upsilon2>you'll be upgrading to it anyway, why not in freeze rather than later?
23:32<superlinux>guys hi
23:32<parecen>upsilon2: please try to understand what the freeze process actually is
23:33<superlinux>any one what the https_port in squid really do? i could not understand it in the manual.
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23:33<enouf>grendelson: funny, i gave you that | grep ^.h hours ago, before you even upgraded - but i thought it showd half-installed :-P
23:33<grendelson>superlinux : A guess - the https_port is the ilstenign port for ssl requests?
23:33<superlinux>grendelson yep
23:34<superlinux>but i dont feel it's that nessery
23:34<grendelson>enouf It looked very familiar but it showed nothing earlier - once I put pan on hold it now shows somethign (pan)
23:34<enouf>righto
23:34<grendelson>superlinux It's necessary if you want to accept ssl encrypted traffic
23:34<grendelson>superlinux If not then you are correct...
23:34<enouf>all times i tried it, never shows anything here either - nothing was ever on hold :-p
23:35<grendelson>enouf One of life's mysteries solved ;-)
23:35<grendelson>enouf That raises the question though- what is the trigger to find all half-installed applications?
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23:36<grendelson>or applications that are not fully configured?
23:36<enouf>grendelson: it seems h in first column == Half-installed .. but as 2 letter, means hold
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23:36<enouf>Status == 1st Column
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23:37<grendelson>enouf That makes sense I always forget when I see pU or ip what I'm looking at....
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23:37<enouf>Error == 2nd column , ... er not really columns, but character
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23:38<grendelson>enouf Now I thought the second column was the status at next run ( eg marked for uninstall)
23:38<grendelson>Now I gotta reread all that again...
23:38<grendelson>eesk starting to extract now we'll see if anything happens.... (crossing fingers)
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23:39<enouf>grendelson: wait, i suck
23:39<grendelson>WOW - too many errors, dpkg tries to run and fails terribly erroring on tons of packages... Man I'm so fubar
23:39<enouf>grendelson: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold <== first letter in output of a say "pU"
23:40<enouf>| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed <-- 2nd characters
23:40<grendelson>that is good info - unfortunately I thikn I'm so far gone nothing will bring this box back...
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23:40<enouf>the only time the Err is used is for when you see a Capital letter, like in "pU"
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23:41<superlinux>grendelson i am doing fine without it..
23:41<superlinux>cos i am using the same http_port of squid
23:41<enouf>grendelson: what kind of errors?
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23:42<grendelson>enouf - when I try apt-get dist-upgrade the most common error is that libldap is required - when I try to install it I get an error that libldap2 must be uninstalled but dirmngr fails... when I run aptitude I get so many package dependency errors it craps out....
23:43<grendelson>I am trying to post the output of aptitude remove dirmngr
23:44<gnomefreak>hi my OS keeps loading on a very ugly resolution 640x480 how do I fix this?
23:44<grendelson>some small progress - when I tried to run aptitude remove dirmngr it failed as ususal but actually posted 27 broken at end of cmd execution...
23:44<gnomefreak>hi my OS keeps loading on a very ugly resolution 640x480 how do I fix this?
23:46<grendelson>http://paste.debian.net/16114
23:46<grendelson>enouf there is my dirmngr trying to uninstall (with dpkg manually)
23:46<grendelson>with that unable to uninstall I can't remove libldap2 and can't install libldap-2.4-2
23:46<grendelson>seems to be the lynchpin so to speak....
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23:48<piper>apt-cache depends libldap2 <libldap2> hmm
23:48<enouf>grendelson: ok, looking
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23:48<grendelson>thanks so much - I hate script errors I don't know enough about the scripting install and uninstall to know what to attack....
23:48<enouf>piper: i know - i;m thinking a cyclic depends
23:49<piper>lol ;)
23:49<enouf>but i can't do rdepends because libldap2 is not in testing/unstable
23:49<gnomefreak>can someone help with my problem?
23:49<grendelson>aptitude offers to replace libldap2 to fix dependency errors but then dirmngr fails to uninstall to let libldap2 uninstall....
23:49<gnomefreak>I have no options to change my resolution
23:50<gnomefreak>its stuck at 640
23:50<enouf>the headers (-dev) are though
23:50<gnomefreak>is there some sort of way to reboot it?
23:50<grendelson>gnomefreak -Are you running debian linux?
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23:50<gnomefreak>of course
23:50<gnomefreak>=P
23:50<gnomefreak>in the preferences
23:51<gnomefreak>I goto resolution
23:51<gnomefreak>all I see is 640x480
23:51<gnomefreak>nothing more =S
23:51<enouf>!depends dirmngr etch
23:51<gnomefreak>http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/46759-debian-resolution-woes.html
23:51<gnomefreak>you think this will help me?
23:52<gnomefreak>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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23:52<grendelson>That's what I was trying to think of - but you will need to make sure you select the resolutions you are sure your monitor supports
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23:52<gnomefreak>1024x678
23:53<gnomefreak>this is what it has always been
23:53<gnomefreak>I never shutdown the system but today I had to
23:53<gnomefreak>when I rebooted..I got this =S
23:53<enouf>grendelson: apt-cache --purge remove dirmngr ?
23:53<gnomefreak>so what do you think?
23:53<enouf>gah
23:53<grendelson>WHen you upgraded you probably allowed the Xorg.conf to get rewritten
23:53<enouf>grendelson: apt-get --purge remove dirmngr ?
23:53<grendelson>enouf Let me try....
23:53<enouf>grendelson: pastebin any errors
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23:54<enouf>grendelson: have you stopped all these nonsensical services? "/etc/init.d/<filename> stop" ?
23:55<piper>gnomefreak: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf under Section "Screen"
23:55<eald>hi, I'm using debian unstable and from one month or so my ipod (nano) is being automonted just as an usb storage device, any lead to which package could be the problem? I'm not sure to understand how hal and dbus works and interacts with the rest.
23:55<enouf>i mean, i always drop to runlevel 1 prior to any major upgrade ;-)
23:56<enouf>eald what;s the problem?
23:56<enouf>!automounter
23:56<dpkg>automounter is probably a program that automatically mounts filesystems on demand. Useful for networked or removeable media (floppies, USB sticks, CDs, DVDs, NFS, CIFS, etc.). See <autofs>, <amd>. <automount>
23:56<enouf>!automount
23:56<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
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23:57<grendelson>enouf I was getting errors from first command and I tried some of the corrective steps (apt-get -f) (apt-get -f auto-remove) it removed the unneeded packages but again choked on dirmngr uninstall.
23:57<eald>enouf: usually the ipod is detected as an IPod and that means that the icon has a menu entry "Eject" which teels to the ipod that it could be disconected
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23:58<enouf>grendelson: try dpkg -P dirmngr
23:58<eald>and now that is only mounted as an usb storage it doesn't do that
23:58<enouf>gango: try deborphan and debfoster at this point
23:58<enouf>grendelson: ^^^
23:58<enouf>grendelson: i need to see the errors
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23:58<gnomefreak>piper
23:58<gnomefreak>what in it do I edit?
23:59<enouf>all of them ... well - on the commands i tell you
23:59<grendelson>enouf - Right - I''m using cmd line so I'm trying to pipe out erros and work in paster in Lynx... not used to it - sorry....
23:59<enouf>eald: i'm pretty sure, you can just run eject /dev/sdaX or whatever it's named as
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