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---Logopened Mon Sep 01 00:00:01 2008
00:00<eald>enouf: yeah, in the menu that is umount, and that option is enabled, but the ipod dosen't recognize that
00:00<enouf>eald: i don't use automounters - try the BTS and ask dpkg more about those mentioned - and read the docs /ust/share/doc/
00:00<enouf>eald: i don't use automounters - try the BTS and ask dpkg more about those mentioned - and read the docs /usr/share/doc/
00:00<gnomefreak>piper can you take a look at this
00:00<gnomefreak>this is what mine looks like
00:00<gnomefreak>what in it do I edit?
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00:01<grendelson> <-- here is the error from trying to apt-get -f
00:01<enouf>grendelson: if you're in an xterm, copy and paste
00:01<eald>ok, thanks for trying
00:01<enouf>i didn't ask for that!
00:01<piper>gnomefreak: under the section --> Section "Screen" edit that to look something like this;lines=0
00:02<gnomefreak>got it! let me try that now
00:02<piper>gnomefreak: sorry looking at it now, on a couple channels
00:02<enouf>eald: if anything, suspect udev rules and incorrect /dev/disk/* entries(symlinks) .. or broken hal and dbuscrap
00:03<eald>yeah, I'll look that packages, thanks
00:03<grendelson> <-- here is the output of dpkg -P dirmngr
00:04<enouf>grendelson: listen - fuck this, find and edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/libldap2.postrm file and add 'exit 0' on a new line just beneath #!/bin/sh
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00:05<grendelson>You know a year or less ago I KNOW i was doing this exact same thing - I can almsot guarantee it was when I went to etch :-( I'm on it - I'll give it a try...
00:05<enouf>grendelson: do the same with the dirmngr variant if needed
00:06<grendelson>enouf- just for interest - I tried to do apt-get -f install and it tells me now it will UPgrade dirmngr but of course that faile din teh removal script...
00:06<enouf>then make sure those versions and files are removed (once you upgrade to the correct shit) - you don't want those modified ones laying about
00:06<grendelson>BUT I'm searchign for scripts now - thanks...
00:06<piper>grendelson: why not just use sid
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00:08<gnomefreak>do I make it look like what you showed me?
00:08<gnomefreak>I am going to replace the enitre screen section as yours?
00:08<grendelson>enouf OK I've added 'exit 0' to both libldap2 and dirmngr postrm scripts....
00:09<gnomefreak> Device "Intel Corporation 82G965 Integrated Graphics Controller"
00:09<gnomefreak> Monitor "DELL M782"
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00:09<grendelson>Just run apt-get install -f or dpkg --purge remove dirmngr?
00:09<piper>gnomefreak: you can add other resolutions also -> "1600x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" is my basics
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00:09<gnomefreak>ouch sorry back
00:09<piper>[00:09] <piper> gnomefreak: you can add other resolutions also -> "1600x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" is my basics
00:09<gnomefreak>piper under Device and Mnitor
00:09<enouf>grendelson: same as before --purge remove
00:09<gnomefreak>do I change it to 0
00:09<gnomefreak>or leave as mine says
00:10<gnomefreak>you can see what mine shows
00:10<enouf>grendelson: you don't need those libldap config files, right? :-P
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00:10<enouf>grendelson: do you even know what dirmngr does?
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00:11<gnomefreak>do I leave it at monitor 0?
00:12<piper>gnomefreak: leave the monitor the way it is
00:12<grendelson>enouf - honestly no...
00:12<gnomefreak>and Device?
00:12<gnomefreak>also Im guessing?
00:12<grendelson>enouf I got almost the exact same error when I ran dpkg -P dirmngr this time...
00:12<gnomefreak>Device "Intel Corporation 82G965 Integrated Graphics Controller" or leave it to 0?
00:13<piper>gnomefreak: yes, leave that, i don't own a intel card or have a machine that has a Integrated one in it yet
00:14<enouf>grendelson: try aptitude
00:14<grendelson> <-- now I get the same error with a slightly different line mentioned...
00:14<enouf>and then try full-upgrade
00:14<grendelson>enouf OK
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00:14<piper>gnomefreak: i have to step out for about 5 - 10 minutes
00:15<grendelson>enouf OK I still got scritp error as above but now the rest are trying to install....
00:15<enouf>grendelson: crap .. find the prerm scripts if any .. and add exit 0
00:17<grendelson>enouf prerm scripts for both dirmngr and libldap2?
00:17<enouf>grendelson: the errors are coming from tje .prerm scripts not the postrm ones
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00:18<grendelson>will do as soon as the current aptitude task finishes - it's upgrading a LOT....
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00:20<grendelson>enouf OK dirmngr has a prerm but libldap2 does not - I'll give it a whirl after edited file....
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00:22<grendelson>enouf Wow I ran aptitude full-upgrade and there is a large # of unresolved dependencies - it tries to find a solutions....
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00:23<enouf>grendelson: you're starting to sound like a broken record
00:23<grendelson>enouf I know!
00:23<grendelson>I'm assuming that aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade are 'upgrade' vs dist-upgrade
00:24<enouf>i don;t know - i told you, i don't use aptitude
00:24<grendelson>enouf ah that's right...
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00:26<qq>grendelson, show us your sources
00:26<s3a>does any1 no wat to apt-get install to make virtualbox-ose work for first time in lenny? a long time ago on an etch comp, someone told me to apt-get stuff then the modprobe thing and it worked for this --> Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root.
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00:27<enouf>s3a: IINM, Etch requires backports for virtualbox stuff
00:27<s3a>enouf, im on lenny now
00:27<grendelson>qq - one moment...
00:27<enouf>s3a: s/any1 no wat/anyone know what
00:28<s3a>enouf, sorry i try to type normal because you debian people seem to hate msn talk no offense but sometimes it comes out accidently
00:28<enouf>yes, we hate aolisms
00:28<enouf>!aolsmite s3a
00:29<enouf>can you say "I'm part of propogating the Dumbing down of America"
00:30<s3a>enouf, actually spelling is one of my strong points
00:30<s3a>enouf, like at school, but on msn, i just destroy the words lol
00:30<enouf>mine too - but i make tons of typos
00:30<s3a>enouf, and im canadian btw lol
00:30<s3a>enouf, by the way*
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00:31<grendelson> <-m ycurrent sources (everythign but lenny remmed out)
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00:33<enouf>Gustav is going to cause some damage it seems
00:34<grendelson>enouf It has to! If not then no one will move the next time a storm of cat 4 or lower htis!
00:34<piper>hi qq
00:34<qq>hi piper
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00:35<grendelson>enouf I'm in TX so we are getting up the moment alerts on tv as to it's location.. If it hits as far south as Houston I expect a lot of family coming to stay!
00:36<qq>grendelson, well seems ok , but you may comment all deb-src , i don't think you use that
00:36<enouf>grendelson: righto - are in near houston?
00:36<grendelson>enouf Austin
00:36<enouf>are you*
00:37<enouf>oh , i see
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00:37<grendelson>qq Yes that sources has seen a lot of changes due to this or that experiment - I was pinning 2 releases so most of this trouble is my own doing I ralize...this one box though is both test for new apps and my working desktop so I get into too much trouble on it!
00:38<enouf>grendelson: anything to report about the editing of the .prerm script and trying?
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00:38<grendelson>enouf - Yes the aptitude full-upgrade is STILL running....I was able to manually remove dirmngr and libldap2 and run dist-upgrade....
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00:39<grendelson>now it's running and running - I had to accept the suggested fix due to the sheer volume of unmet dependecies but it's still working....
00:39<enouf>so .. we got past this dirmngr + libldap2 hurdle?
00:39<grendelson>enouf I do believe so --- it din't squawk about dirmngr this time....
00:40<grendelson>just unmet dependencies which are fine as long as the packages keep installing I reckon
00:40<enouf>well .. i guess that was the tip of the iceburg only
00:40<enouf>Welcome to your Titanic
00:41<Hideo>welcome to your Gustav
00:41<grendelson>hahah I''m the band leader still playing my violin :-)
00:41<Hideo>actually I'm scared Hanna will make land fall too
00:41<grendelson>I've been talking about reinstall from scratch this machine for a year or so - never get around to it....I have SO much on it I wouldn't know what was immportant until it was gone....
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00:42<grendelson>Hideo Of yeah HAnnah and 2 more depression behind it !
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00:42<Hideo>yep, we're being pommeled to death
00:42<grendelson>& my wife wanted to live in Houston - I talked her out of it by reminding her how many times our cousins got flooded !
00:44<grendelson>I loved Mardi Gras and New AHHleeens whenI was there but you couldn't pay me to live there! THe ocean is reclaiming it! (ok no science to back that up but it sounds pretty end of the worldish :-)
00:45<grendelson>Here is central TX the storms are signs from GAWD - (until they hit here they they are natural disasters)
00:45<kop>I'm running minicom in a terminal window in kde and I want to press a function key in minicom. (I'm doing an install on a serial console and want to get to another console window on the install box.) How do I keep kde from intercepting the function key?
00:46<Hideo>thank you :P I knew there was something weird about it
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00:47<grendelson>aww heck - I am now getting script errors again and my USB devices started throwing erros. I see there are erros while it was trying to upgrade LVM (which I have installed and am using)
00:48<grendelson>Must be getting close to end 'dependency proeblems prevent configuring of XXXX' errors are startign to pile up.....
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00:48<kop>(I could use a console window, but it occurs to me that I don't know how to keep the console from intercepting the function key either. How do you send a function key through a terminal emulator?)
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00:48<Hideo>grendelson: why don't you back up what you can and just reinstall?
00:49<grendelson>Hideo right - that is the thing I've been thiknig of doing for a long time - I have all home nad /opt/vault (my data dir) on backup but there ar so many things I think I may lose....
00:49<Hideo>grendelson: you mean like things in /etc/ ?
00:50<s3a>i submitted a bug report for this program called anki and was just wondering would the author make the debian frozen version more stable or will people have to upgrade to a newer version in order to get bugs fixed? (which is against the debian way/hence its freeze)
00:50<Prathibha> I am using debian lenny. While creating archive I get the following error message "An error occured while adding files to the archive". How to solve this problem?
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00:51<grendelson>Hideo - that's the thing - I've set up so much over the years I can't even recall what I do anymore - "backup" dvds, music library photos of family - gish it's everywhere. I have a movie database I totally can't recall how I setup :-)
00:51<grendelson>that's why I fight so hard when I do runinto upgrade erros. I may HAVE TO though - I' think I'm running same machein I upgraded from sarge to etch and nwo to lenny - pretty sure it was clean install at sarge but may no have been...
00:52<Hideo>grendelson: install debsums ; and check only the configs, if it says failed, those are the files that have been modified and those are the ones you want to back up
00:52<qq>Prathibha, paste command and all errors
00:52<grendelson>Hideo OK that is a good idea....
00:52<superjet_busy>grendelson: unless youre hard disk broken down, there is no need to reinstall
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00:53<Prathibha>qq, tar: This does not look like a tar archive tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
00:53<superjet_busy>grendelson: sure, you must do it if you've wipe out /var
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00:54<grendelson>superjet_busy I haven't wiped out anything but my upgrade from etch to lenny is fubar... not sure I can recover it....
00:54<grendelson>I had some old and forgotten sources and ran an dist-upgrade that fixed some problems but introduced more....
00:55<superjet_busy>grendelson: fix them one by one, be patient
00:56<grendelson>Now I'm really stuck - I can't run apt-get or aptitude "you must run dpkg --configure -a to fix" but when I run that I bomb out die to too many errors ( the large @ of unresolved dependencies....
00:56<grendelson>the cache seems to unable to be written to...
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00:56<Prathibha>qq, any solution
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00:57<superjet_busy>grendelson: you may backup /var/lib/dpkg/status then to modify by hand, if all the things out of control
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01:00<qq>Prathibha, try to find what it is , what's his name ?
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01:01<grendelson>superjet_busy I honestly don't knwo how to edit it by hand. I'm trying to paste the erros but in cmd lynx I have no browse so can't post a file - trying to copy in term from window to windoe :-P
01:01<Prathibha>qq, what???
01:01<qq>your archive
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01:03<qq>grendelson, but what about the end of hard disc live ...
01:03<grendelson>HA you know what I just noticed - each time I run dpkg --configure -a it bombs out due to too many errors but by capturing output I see EVERY time I run it it installs a FEW more packages... so it is installing but the packages with dependency errors are causing it to I'll keep letting it install until it can...
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01:05<grendelson>qq ?
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01:06<qq>the disc may die , soon or later ,i thought
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01:07<grendelson>oh no - not a problem yet...
01:07<grendelson>superjet_busy Now I seem to be getting cyclical error - packages cant configure since dependent package is not configured....
01:07<qq>more 2-3 hours , than ...
01:09<superjet_busy>grendelson: which package? maybe you edit not the proper position
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01:10<grendelson>superjet_busy It is a LOT of packages - not just one!
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01:11<qq>grendelson, i'll do that : apt-get update , and than apt-get install --reinstall libc6
01:12<grendelson>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct
01:12<grendelson>I get that everytime I run apt-get
01:12<grendelson>it won't complete.
01:12<grendelson>adn dpkg --configure -a won't finish due to too many errors from unconfigured packages....
01:13<grendelson>and now I can't paste since lynx now seems to be gone from /usr/bin !
01:14<qq>rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock + rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock + apt-get update
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01:15<grendelson>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct
01:15<grendelson>the problem.
01:15<grendelson>Still got that as last line after running apt-get update
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01:19<grendelson>Ok one last thing to try I reckon - update suorces to sid and try a dst-upgrade.
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01:19<qq>grendelson, rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock + rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock + apt-get update
01:20<grendelson>qq - I tried that - or do you mean do that AFTER changing the sources to sid?
01:20<qq>no before
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01:21<grendelson>Right I saw your post above and tried it but Still get the dpkg --configure error at the end of the apt-get update task...
01:21<grendelson>Hit testing/updates/non-free Sources
01:22<grendelson>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct
01:22<grendelson>the problem.
01:22<piper>did you run it
01:22<grendelson>yes and that bombs out with too many errors (many errors about unresolved dependencies so configuration can't complete
01:23<grendelson>dpkg: too many errors, stopping
01:23<dpkg>grendelson: I don't know, could you explain it?
01:23<grendelson>dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:265: process_queue: Assertion `!queue.length' failed.
01:23<dpkg>grendelson: You are moron #9
01:23<grendelson>dpkg doens't like me talking about it it seems.....
01:23<dpkg>grendelson: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
01:24<piper>should have never went for the "upgrade" should have flat out went for the dist-upgrade ;)
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01:25<grendelson>piper - I wasn't thinking at the time. I did a dist-upgrade while I was still on etch to try to fix my faulty linux kernel and module mismatch (at least that started working after I did it) then a lot of apps failed to start s I figured I had to upgrade to lenny since I had accidfentlly pullyed somesources from test and dev in....
01:25<grendelson>so that is why I'm thinking going to SID might work but I may be too far gone with dpkg and apt-get to even get the update to succeed after changing sources to unstable....
01:26<piper>i think so too, but, worth a try, sid is great
01:28<enouf>grendelson: i'm scared to say to you reboot - we may never see you again
01:28<enouf>or for atleast a few weeks :-P
01:28<enouf>grendelson: why are you using lynx anyway?
01:29<enouf>nothing wrong with it, but you don't seem to know how to use it to it's full .. whatever
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01:29<enouf>grendelson: you have no x? how about links2 -g in console - it's GUI , allows you to use your mouse for copy/paste
01:30<enouf>heck install gpm
01:30<s3a>is compiz-fusion better than compiz?
01:30<tlmiller>Can you force all audio traffic out an optical port?
01:31<grendelson>enouf - I have no X ever since gnome failed to update... I jsut dropped to cmd line since X was failing all over....
01:32<grendelson>enouf I have gpm and am using 4 terminals to do what I'm doing now (bitchx in term 2)
01:32<piper>grendelson: install kde fvwm-crysta, or xfce4
01:33<grendelson>enouf I was thinkig same thing - if I reboot I may be totally offline with this machine for a long time (until I complete a reinstall... and of course then this probelm won't be an issue :-)
01:33<enouf>grendelson: can you even install anything?
01:33<enouf>!pastebin pipe
01:33<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid.
01:33<grendelson>enouf - I appear to be totally stuck now... I tried changing sources to unstable and runnign apt-get update, fails still with must run dpkg --configure -a
01:34<enouf>install pastebinit
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01:34<enouf>grendelson: apt-get install -f
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01:34<grendelson>elrey:/etc/apt# apt-get install -f
01:34<grendelson>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct
01:34<grendelson>the problem.
01:34<enouf>grendelson: pkill dpkg
01:34<enouf>grendelson: pkill apt
01:34<enouf>grendelson: pkill aptitude
01:34<grendelson>If I post that last line slwo enoug I don't seem to get kicked....
01:35<grendelson>enouf OK did all three.
01:35<enouf>and wtf is PAN?
01:35<enouf>grendelson: apt-get install -f
01:35<dpkg>somebody said pan was Pimp Ass Newsreader, based on Agent for Windows gui in gtk+ or the Porn Auto Nabber, or recommended by the admins at Little Debbie Snack Cakes, or an evil trickster
01:35<grendelson>enouf - x newsgroup reader....
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01:36<enouf>oh, i knew that - that's old time, was thinking of pine
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01:36*tlmiller still uses pine
01:36<grendelson>Exact same error about dpkg...
01:36<grendelson>as above
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01:37<enouf>grendelson: wait, did a new kernel ever get installed?
01:37<enouf>did you ever reboot into it?
01:37<grendelson>enouf - I think I did see one fly by ..... I never ahve rebooted since starting this exercise....
01:38<enouf>grendelson: run the dpkg --configure -a command = show us all errors
01:38<enouf>grendelson: can you /join #flood ?
01:38<grendelson>crap I used to be pretty hot in BitchX wiht multiwindows but I've forgettogn taht liek 2 years ago!
01:39<grendelson>One minute - I still have another laptop I can at least look up BitchX docs ....
01:39<enouf>grendelson: what happens is, see without yuo reading the docs, you're digging your ditch deeper - did you know that aptituide defaults to installing ALL Recommends now?
01:40*enouf places 50 Grand on that bet, that he didn
01:40<enouf> didn't
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01:41<grendelson>you'd win a whole lotta cash....
01:41<grendelson>I never had a problem with long as aptitude took care of the dependecies...
01:41<piper>never liked or recommends aptitude ......
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01:42<grendelson>OK I tried to join #flood in another window adn was told it was invite only....
01:43<qq> /j #flood
01:43<grendelson>[#flood] Invite only channel
01:43<tlmiller>I see the same.
01:44<qq>not for us
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01:48<grendelson>Hey it looks liek i may have gotten enoug Gnome stuff to install I can get back into Xwin... I'll try to get back on this channel in X and hopefully be able to paste again....
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01:52<grendelson>enouf - can you see me on freenode?
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01:53<grendelson>sorry I see you there now...
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01:55<enouf>All through the town ....
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01:57<enouf>grendelson: not that is one mess i can't deal with - ldconfig issues? lmao
01:57<enouf>grendelson: is your LVM out of room?
01:57<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
01:58<enouf>grendelson: df -hT
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02:00<grendelson>right my / is at 0% free but it had space before I started this , opt var home boot tmp usr are all on separate partitions....
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02:00<grendelson>nwo to figure out what to remove from /!
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02:01<qq->apt-get clean
02:02<grendelson>qq- That woudl remove packages from var no?
02:02<grendelson>I only have a 225 M root (this machien was built a long time ago! var is on a separate LVM partition and has Lots of room....
02:02<enouf>Your search - dpkg ldconfig Writing of cache data failed No space left on device - did not match any documents.
02:02<grendelson>I think only etc may be taking space and I can probably kill soem files in /root....
02:03<enouf>it's TIME for FSCKING!
02:03<db>hur mår du?
02:03<enouf>oh. so you ARE out of space?
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02:04<enouf>grendelson: remove logs, docs and locales (/var/log/*.gz -- /usr/share/doc/ -- localpurge pkg)
02:04<enouf>or move your CRAP off to somewhere else :-P
02:04<grendelson>enouf usr and var are all on separate partitions (LVM)
02:04<enouf>well you figure it out
02:05<grendelson>opt var home usr tmp - all are on seperate volumes....
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02:05<enouf>liking all those "Recommends" about now?
02:06<grendelson>anyone recall the exact syntax to get du -sh? * to stay on the current volume? I thought it was x but can't seem to get it to show me ONLY those things on / partition.....
02:06<enouf>but it's not aptitude's fault, it's yours for not reading and knowing
02:06<grendelson>enouf I get that....
02:07<enouf>use your lvm tools then, or is / not on lvm?
02:07<grendelson>enouf No back when I built this the BIG recommedation was / not on LVM so its on it's own partition....
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02:08<grendelson>enouf yeah it seems the libs has gotten a wee bit too fat!
02:09<grendelson>didn't think to put libs in lvm al that time ago!
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02:10<grendelson>is there a simple way to auto-magically remove all unneeded libs?
02:11<grendelson>or a tutorial on moving libs to a new partition while running?
02:11<phillipsjk>grendelson, would a live CD help?
02:12<grendelson>phillipsjk It very well might! I woudl have to reboot to do that and I may never get started again :-)
02:12<grendelson>it may be only answer though since I need to move libs or remove at least 50 MBS worth of libs....
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02:13<phillipsjk>remve software you don't need?
02:13<kevin>Does anyone know the earliest version of Rhythmbox to support MTP devices?
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02:28<grendelson>I was able to free up a few K of files (in fact df still shows / at 100%) and the packages are configuring now! so hopefully I can run apt-get again and remove an old linux-kernel that has a 50 MB modules folder.... then reboot with cd and move libs to larger partition!
02:29<grendelson>after completing the dist-upgrade of course...
02:29<grendelson>just surviving a reboot will be such a tremendous coup! Thanks so much for all the help adn patience ! (especially the patience :-)
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02:41<grendelson_sleepy>I finally got to the point where dist-upgrade returns no Erros and NO packages required!
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02:41<grendelson_sleepy>dpkg --configre -a ran and any packages that had weird errors that I didn't need I was able to remove (gxine pychess)
02:41<dpkg>You are moron #10, grendelson_sleepy
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02:52<grendelson>Well I survived a reboot but not 100% successfully -- I cannot boot into the 2.6.26 kernel in testing but the 2.6.18 still boots fine.
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02:57<tlmiller>Is alsa the "right" audio engine to use? Should I be using oss or something else?
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02:58<tlmiller>and by "right" I mean; the debian way . . .
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03:00<clint1986>tlmiller: oss is depracated
03:00<clint1986>tlmiller: alsa is the default linux sound system now
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03:01<clint1986>tlmiller: you can always emulate oss anyway
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03:01<tlmiller>Do you know if you have to emulate oss to get 2-ch stereo out of an optical audio port?
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03:02<clint1986>tlmiller: the emulation is for the api
03:02<clint1986>tlmiller: to make apps that depend on oss work
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03:03<clint1986>tlmiller: the best you can do is look up your card
03:03<clint1986>tlmiller: what is it?
03:03<tlmiller>Intel, STAC92xx
03:03<clint1986>intel high definition audio?
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03:03<tlmiller>onboard of a DX38BT board
03:04<tlmiller>It works, I can play AC3 out the optical port, just nothing else with route out that optical connection it seems.
03:05<tlmiller>I've heard audio from movies playing in videolan
03:05<tlmiller>and the analog ports work
03:06<clint1986>using oss wouldn't help i don't think
03:06<clint1986>i doubt it has the support for the chipset
03:07<clint1986>you're right to be using alsa, but i don't know what to suggest for the digital out - i've never used or had one
03:07<tlmiller>Probably not. I'm at a loss for ideas to force audio down the optical path.
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03:11<clint1986>tlmiller: best thing i can suggest is try #alsa on freenode, wait here, or perhaps even give the fourms on a go
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03:11<clint1986>forums are good because you don't have to be there to get the reply and can come back
03:12<tlmiller>Odd... isn't snd_pcm_oss an OSS module?
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03:14<NooBi3>hey anyone knows what the error "External exception 80000100" from wine means ?
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03:15<infotron>NooBi3: professor google may
03:15<infotron>looks like an ordinary windoze error code.
03:16<clint1986>tlmiller: it's alsa oss api emulation module
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03:16<NooBi3>infotron: yea it seems so
03:16<clint1986>tlmiller: lets apps that depend on the oss api for sound to output to alsa
03:17<clint1986>tlmiller: handy module :)
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03:22<NooBi3>crap haven't found nothing :(
03:22<NooBi3>i think it's a dll problem, idk \=
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03:29<NooBi3>could anyone suggest me a good dock for xfce 4? :D
03:29<tlmiller>xfce4-panel ?
03:29<NooBi3>the panel is good but not as good as a dock
03:30<NooBi3>the only problem is that the panel overput itself over all the other windows
03:30<tlmiller>Sorry, guess I don't know the diff.
03:31<NooBi3>now you do :P
03:31<NooBi3>'cuz my screen isn't that big
03:31<tlmiller>Isn't that what auto-hide is for?
03:32<NooBi3>auto-hide? never heard about it. would ya tell me more? :D
03:32*tlmiller looks for the bait on the hook . . .
03:32<NooBi3>oh forget it. i know about auto-hide. no, it doesn't work that way
03:33<NooBi3>i misunderstood :/
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03:33<tlmiller>I thought you were messing with me. :)
03:33<NooBi3>but don't u know a good dock?
03:34<tlmiller>I position my panel in the middle right and it acts like a dock to me . . .
03:35<NooBi3>i use the panel as a dock too but it makes my screen smaller haha ;p
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03:36<NooBi3>I'm gonna look in google 'bout a nice dock :) but thx for you attention
03:37<tlmiller>there's a mac clone one
03:37<NooBi3>i found here Avant-Window-Navigator looks like MAC OS X dock
03:39<tlmiller>There's alltray
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03:41<NooBi3>gonna look for it :P
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03:46<tlmiller>Cairo-dock is said to be less memory intensive
03:46<NooBi3>but it runs right in debian etch?
03:47<tlmiller>maybe no. I don't see it in my apt-cache
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03:48<NooBi3>there are some that only runs in testing/lenny
03:49<tlmiller>Looks like it's avail for ubuntu
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03:53<NooBi3>well I'm leaving bro it is 4:55 in the morning here in brazil
03:53<tlmiller>It's pretty
03:54<karthik>hey any one can help me in making a debian live distro
03:54<tlmiller>There's already a debian live distro
03:54<karthik>i want to create a own distro
03:54<tlmiller>You want to build your own from scratch? Or remaster the debian live one?
03:55<karthik>i know the procedure
03:55<karthik>but i want how to add our own wallpaper, theme boot menu etc
03:55<karthik>using live helper
03:56<NooBi3>tlmiller: cya
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03:57<tlmiller>karthik, the work I did with live cd's was following the knoppix remastering documentation. Those docs suggest copying in what you need when you have the 'project' mounted under a chroot.
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04:03<panthera>tlmiller: yeah, but hat is insane.
04:03<panthera>karthik: start reading
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04:04<tlmiller>panthera, in my defense, it was a few years ago. :)
04:05<tlmiller>and actually it wasn't all that bad.
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04:37<ThibG>A debian package (teeworlds) in main seems to be not DFSG Free, "4. Neither this software nor any of its individual components, in original or modified versions, may be sold by itself."
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04:42<panthera>ThibG: this is, unfortunately, not against DFSG.
04:42<panthera>ThibG: dfsg says, that debian as a distribution needs to fulfil DFSG,
04:42<panthera>not each an every component seen for itself.
04:42<panthera>we have the same fuckup with the SIL open free font license.
04:43<ThibG>so, if you sell a debian copy with teeworlds, you don't sell teeworlds "by itself"?
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04:44<panthera>correct. you sell debian, with teeworlds.
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04:45<ThibG>hm ok
04:45<panthera>i'm sorry that debian doesn't distiguish properly yet. maybe one day, we can fix that *dreaming*
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04:48<Baggy2>Where can I find older versions (preferably source) for cvsnt?
04:50<petemc> !sdn
04:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information.
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04:50<petemc>not sure if it does source or not
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04:57<wfer1>Hi! Where can I find the tentative release notes for Lenny?
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05:04<mimilici18>i install mysqladmin
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05:05<mimilici18>not password from mysql
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05:14<EmleyMoor>A package on which I reported a bug has been fixed but it hasn't made it to testing yet. It's in php - is backporting it from sid the same as it would be for any other package?
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05:17<EmleyMoor>How do I download a sid source package when there is also one for lenny?
05:17<something2412>apt-get -t unstable
05:18<something2412>and put the right source in the source file
05:18<EmleyMoor>Can I have deb-src lines for both?
05:19<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... well, I only get the lenny
05:20<something2412>did you set the option -t (target)?
05:21<EmleyMoor>Yes... however, it seems the corrected package hasn't made it to sid yet either!
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05:37<DTE>hi all
05:37<DTE>to compile correctly a program i need to use the kernel headers from a selfmade kernel
05:38<DTE>i already complied and installed but how can use it instead of the old one?
05:39<EmleyMoor>DTE: How do you propose to compile the program?
05:41<DTE>i just do the normale ./configure and make
05:44<EmleyMoor>DTE: At the configure stage, you probably have to point it at your kernel source. Read its instructions or possibly even the configure script
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05:46<DTE>configure is already ponting at the right i guest it's a software problem if don't compile
05:47<EmleyMoor>What happens?
05:47<EmleyMoor>Point it at the source, not the kernel itself
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05:51<DTE>EmleyMoor: i was meaning the rigth kernel source
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05:55<seanius>EmleyMoor: what bug/version? afaict php5 sid and lenny have the same version now (5.2.6-3)
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06:04<karthik_>hi, can any one tell me about how to customize the debian live distro
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06:09<karthik_>hi can any one tell me about how to customize debian live distro while building
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06:11<karthik>hi can any one tell me how to customize the debian live distro while building
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06:13<panthera>karthik: have you read the wiki?
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06:15<panthera>you probably should start doing that then..
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06:18<EmleyMoor>Is there a good diagram representing Linux RAID10 and explaining its features and limitations?
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06:19<karthik>panthera: customizing means i want to change the wallpaper, themes, bootmenu etc
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06:19<EmleyMoor>I am still unsure whether to go for 10 or 6
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06:21<DTE>EmleyMoor: from my little experience i prefer more raid 10 than 6
06:21<karthik>panthera: customizing means i want to change the wallpaper, themes, boot menu, grub etc
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06:23<Koheleth>whats new?
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06:30<EmleyMoor>DTE: I am told it's like standard 1+0 but a bit different - it's how and what practical difference it makes.
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06:30<EmleyMoor>(also, presumably, I could have some partitions on raid10/6 and one (less critical) simple RAID0 on the same set of disks?)
06:31<DTE>EmleyMoor: raid 10 and raid 1+0 is the same thing
06:31<DTE>raid 10 differs from raid 01
06:32<DTE>the organization of the disks in the array is up to can do whatever you want
06:32<DTE>just you must have enought disks
06:32<Koheleth>I seem to have a dozen or so sessions of dovecot running, is that normal?
06:32<EmleyMoor>DTE: But Linux RAID10 is not the same as standard though - Linux can use odd numbers of disks
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06:33<DTE>EmleyMoor: actually i always used a hw raid...but normel raid 10 should you even disks
06:34<EmleyMoor>DTE: Yes - was aware of that
06:35<DTE>here doesn't say anything about odd disks
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06:35<EmleyMoor>6 is more attractive in some ways
06:37<DTE>here actually says it can use even odd disks
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06:37<DTE>EmleyMoor: 6 is 5 plus one more parity
06:37<EmleyMoor>I've read everything I can find. I can find nothing comparing standard RAID10 and Linux RAID 10 comprehensively
06:37<DTE>actually raid 5 in degraded mode has really terrible performance
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06:39<DTE>EmleyMoor: Classic RAID-10 requires an even number of devices (e.g. 4, 6, 8, ...). Some hardware RAID vendors do support proprietary versions of RAID-10 that can cope with an odd number of devices — IBM has RAID-1E for example. Linux MD supports an odd number of devices for RAID-10.
06:39<DTE>i found
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06:40<EmleyMoor>DTE: That's brief - it doesn't really explain how, and the potential benefits if any
06:40<DTE>but as far as i can understand...with odd number is like to have a mirror degraded
06:40<DTE>i don't see any utility actualy
06:40<EmleyMoor>I have a free choice what to do anyway
06:41<DTE>i have always did raid 5...more space and some kind of data protection
06:41<DTE>but since i made raid 10...i stick with it
06:41<EmleyMoor>6 has good protection too
06:41<DTE>anyway disk are pretty inexpensive right now
06:42<DTE>EmleyMoor: yes...but i still have to try it in degraded mode
06:42<DTE>we have here one raid 6
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06:46<EmleyMoor>If I'm going for a much better processor, I shouldn't really notice a performance hit, should I?
06:47<EmleyMoor>Going to a 4-disk RAID... as a "straight away" on the new hardware
06:48<DTE>which raid?
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06:49<petemc>straight away? you've been talking about it for weeks!
06:49<EmleyMoor>petemc: I haven't received the money to buy it yet
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06:49<EmleyMoor>DTE: 10 or 6
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06:50<DTE>EmleyMoor: if you da a hw raid than processor doesn't matter
06:50<EmleyMoor>DTE: I'm not going to be made of money, sadly
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06:52<DTE>raid 6 is the most heavy for the processor
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06:52<DTE>it need to calculate all the parity
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06:52<DTE>so a bigger processor is better
06:52<EmleyMoor>Yes. I am going from 32-bit single core approx 2GHz to a triple core 64-bit, something over 3GHz
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07:22<Loraine>ci sei?
07:25<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:26<DTE>who translated that in italian?
07:26<DTE>it sounds pretty funny
07:26<Loraine>DaViDe87 Ti Amo
07:26<DTE>who matters
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07:28<amphi>DTE: yeah, it looks a bit odd to me too; still, if it's comprehensible, that's enough, perhaps
07:29<DTE>if you want (or the operators want) i caould give a better made sentence
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07:56<RalfG>good afternoon, I am having some nasty problem with apt/dpkg:
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07:56<RalfG>(a) dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
07:56<RalfG>(b) dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
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07:56<RalfG>(b) is thrown by dpkg --configure -a
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07:57<parecen>RalfG: please have a look of this bug applies to your situation:
07:57<RalfG>background: I tried to remove fam in order to replace it by gamin. But there were depencies of KDE apps to FAM
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07:58<RalfG>parecen: ta, looking
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08:00<RalfG>most likely this is the same issue
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08:00<Prathi>How to submit a new project to debian community?
08:00<RalfG>workaround: dpkg -r --force-depends $PACKAGENAME -- one by one
08:01<parecen>RalfG: good to know there is a workaround
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08:02<Lethalman>Prathi, debian project or a package?
08:02<Lethalman>for debian project, i'd say create a project page on alioth
08:02<Prathi>Lethalman, a new debian package
08:03<Lethalman>then use
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08:03<Lethalman>for first, you have to mail WNPP
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08:03<Lethalman>and tag it ITP (Intend To Package)
08:03<parecen>Lethalman: new packages that never been in the archive start via WNPP also?
08:03<Lethalman>parecen, wnpp is used to RFP or ITP
08:04<RalfG>fixed, thanks
08:04<Lethalman>so that's the start
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08:04<Lethalman>then, which asks you the wnpp bug
08:04<Prathi>Lethalman, what is WNPP?
08:04<parecen>so i could do that also when i dont plan to package something myself?
08:04<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
08:04<RalfG>Prathi: Hi & welcome, what is your state of knowledge?
08:05<mib_x2pb1e>hello, i am new to debian and i'm trying to install ruby with "apt-get install ruby" but it's installing 1.8.5 when i want to use 1.8.6, how do i solve this?
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08:05<Lethalman>Prathi, do it with reportbug
08:05<RalfG>Prathi: I recommend, if you want to create new software, create it anyway in some open SVN/CVS. As soon as it gets interesting, try to find some sponsor for it
08:05<Lethalman>RalfG, he said it's only a package not a new software :)
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08:06<RalfG>Prathi: you will be regarded the "Upstream", but only Debian Developers or sim. are able to put it into Debian
08:07<RalfG>Lethalman: so, it's some patch? Or a package made from binaries, Java sources?
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08:07<RalfG>Please, Prathi, be less abstract
08:07<RalfG>what purpose is it for?
08:07<Lethalman>RalfG, it's so simple, it's a package that's it
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08:08<RalfG>alright, there are dozens of package types: binaries, sources, docs, ...
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08:08<Lethalman>RalfG, those dozens of package types come all with a single package
08:08<RalfG>anyway, keep going. And don't give up too fast Prathi
08:09<Prathi>RalfG, Actually I have create a front end for keyjnote- a presentation application. I want my application to be included in debian
08:09<RalfG>Lethalman: doyou know dpkg-repack BTW?
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08:09<Lethalman>RalfG, no never used it
08:09<Lethalman>what's the problem in that?
08:10<RalfG>Prathi: very nice, I do know keyjnote. Doesn't it use PDF files? Is your GUI written in Java?
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08:10<RalfG>Prathi: is your frontend already available online?
08:10<RalfG>is it coded in Java?
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08:11<Prathi>RalfG, My GUI is written using GTK+/C.
08:11<Prathi>RalfG, Already some person has developed using Qt, Which is for KDE and mine is for GNOME
08:12<RalfG>Prathi: I recommend: publish your tarball + source code + license, and file a bug report "RFP" to debian. I will post a URL that tells you more.
08:12<RalfG>Prathi: very well.
08:12<Prathi>RalfG, ok
08:13<RalfG>this howto was originally written to teach teachers how to get relevant educational software into debian
08:13<Lethalman>RalfG, we already said that, and it's better he follows
08:14<RalfG>Prathi: this is just one example:
08:14<Lethalman>and why debian-ude?
08:15<RalfG>it's a custom debian distro (CDD)
08:15<RalfG>aka Skolelinux
08:15<Lethalman>mah ok
08:15<RalfG>deployed in several 100s of schools
08:15<RalfG>Lethalman: thanks for that URL mate
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08:16<RalfG>cya & good luck
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08:26<tom-bbl>hi is anyone here familiar with alpha?
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08:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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08:40<tom-bbl>i have one dec alpha workstation that works flawlessly. i got a second one.... for some reason aboot shows a menu on the second one, but it never does on the first one... this is using exactly the same dvd.... any suggestions?
08:42<parecen>tom-bbl: if nobody has an answer on this channel, you could give it a try on #debian-alpha
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08:43<skiter>hi all
08:43<skiter>I have problems when I connect my gps gtop usb
08:44<skiter>show this message: device not accepting address 2, error -62
08:44<skiter>I'm using debian lenny
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08:48<parecen>skiter: which kernel do you use?
08:49<skiter>the last, 2.6.26-1-486
08:49<skiter>but I try with 2.6.25-2 and show this message too
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08:51<parecen>i am not absolutely sure, but i think that bug was fixed upstream in a newer version. could you please check for that kernel package whether a bug has been submitted, and if not then do so with reportbug?
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08:52<Danny>i need a little bit of help with my mail commnd on my syste,
08:53<Danny>its says Message accepted for delivery but i dont get the email ?????
08:53<petemc>what mta are you using?
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08:53<Danny>not sure how do i check.
08:54<Danny>before when i set up mail i just added the app then sent an email...
08:54<petemc>if you dont know its probably exim
08:54<petemc>added what app?
08:54<Danny>the mail app
08:54<petemc>which mail app?
08:54<Danny>just the mail command...
08:54<Danny>via yum on fedora...
08:54<petemc>the mail command just submits a message to sendmail
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08:55<petemc>readlink -f $(which sendmail)
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08:55<petemc>that command show you what provides sendmail on your system
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08:56<petemc>Danny: are you using fedora now?
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08:56<Danny>nope ubuntu
08:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:57<Danny>so can you not help petemc
08:57<petemc>correct, i cannot
08:57<Danny>how come
08:57<petemc>i know debian
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08:58<Danny>oh .. :-(
08:58<parecen>Danny: have a nice day :)
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08:59<test27>how to create ntfs partition?
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09:31<DTE>setting up a iscsi initiator on debian, do i always need to give a username and passwd?
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09:36<Spoff>I have a problem with doing a pxe Debian install. the computer we are installing is in a datacenter where we have no physical access. We come to a point where it asks us to press F1 or press enter. This can be found here . There is no keyboard on the machine to do this
09:36<petemc>the pxe install shouldnt ask you to do that
09:36<Bricklayer>Hi - I'm working with Spoff on this
09:37<petemc>Spoff: how do you intent to do the rest of the install with no keyboard?
09:37<Bricklayer>What incantations do I need to pass the kernel to listen on telnet instead?
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09:37<Spoff>remotley using ssh i was hoping
09:37<petemc>you need to have that set up prior to starting the install
09:37<petemc>netconsole its called
09:37<Bricklayer>petemc: Any remote access protocol - telnet, VNC etc
09:38<Bricklayer>Any pointers to how to do so?
09:38<petemc>theres stuff on the wiki
09:38<Spoff>thanks petemc
09:39<Bricklayer>Ta petemc
09:39<petemc>its not exactly trivial
09:40<Bricklayer>So I see :-(
09:40<petemc>a live cd and debootstrap would be easier probably
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09:41<Bricklayer>Just a suggestion - I'm not wanting to spark off any wars here, but in, e.g., CentOS simply passing 'telnet' (or VNC) as a kernel argument in the PXE /cfg script does what's wanted.
09:42<Bricklayer>Be nice if Debian had an equivalent
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09:42<petemc>you can pass options to the pxe config
09:44<Bricklayer>I tried passing telnet; no good. I scoured the docs and couldn't find any relevant options - do you happen to know any? Again - any pointers would be welcome
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09:45<petemc>might be of interest
09:46<Bricklayer>Thanks again - plenty to read :-)
09:47<DTE>so no one had problems with iscsi?
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09:55<Villarroel>It's possible to determine wich ours at day a command can be executed with sudo, or is there another program to do that?
09:56<abrotman>at or cron ?
09:57<Villarroel>abrotman: Not automatic execution.
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09:58<Villarroel>Like a rule for sudoers that between 10:00 and 15:00 someone can execute /sbin/foo as root.
09:59<ghostlines>how does someone turn on tab completion for root?
09:59<ghostlines>or is this a simple google?
09:59<Koheleth>is setting up your own nameservers a nightmare or straightforward on etch?
09:59<petemc>ghostlines: it should be there already, which shell is root using?
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10:04<ghostlines>root doesn't auto tab complete when installing packages on debian or ubuntu
10:04<grendelson>Good day to everyone. I upgraded to Lenny and now have an issue with versions - when I try to run 3rd party module installers they state that the gcc installed 4.3 does not match the gcc the kernel was compiled with (4.1) is it possible to just change the CC environment variable or install akernel that was compiled with 4.3 (I'd prefer not to compile my own kernel...)
10:05<petemc>ghostlines: thats more than 'normal' tab completion, you want to source /etc/bash_completion
10:05<grendelson>I notice that 4.1 and 4.1 gcc are installed but not sure what env variable points to the version I want run
10:06<petemc>grendelson: /usr/bin/gcc is just a symlink, change it to whatever you need
10:06<abrotman>or call your compiler version explicitly
10:06<petemc>grendelson: you can use the alternatives system to manage that, if you so desired
10:06<grendelson>petemc Thanks - I couldnt rememeber what the link was - I thought it was a env variable...
10:06<DTE>why with iscsi i always get "iscsid: could not verify connection 1:0"??
10:07<petemc>grendelson: there should be that too
10:07<grendelson>petemc 'update-alternatives gcc' right?
10:07<petemc>i think it might be --config cc
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10:08<petemc>i dont really use the alternatives system myself
10:10<grendelson>petemc Whe I try to u-a --configure cc it tells me there is only one program that provides cc and it is /usr/bin/gcc nothign to configure
10:10<grendelson>reckon I have to manually change symlink....
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10:17<grendelson>that did it - thanks all - I'll try to remember to change to 4.3 if it becomes important (how do we track if a new kernel in distro has been compiled with 4.3 since that is the most recent gcc installing with lenny?
10:18<petemc>cat /proc/version tells you what the kernel was compiled with
10:19<grendelson>petemc OK I was wondering how to tell in the cache or packages what fversion a new kernel will be compiled with ( before installing it)
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10:24<ninuuz>hi, can anyone help me getting my wireless network working?
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10:25<mib_1295ak>can i only install mysql server with the debian packages? where can i find the source for it so i can compile it myself?
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10:26<kmap>mib_1295ak: apt-get source mysql-dfsg-5.0
10:26<gsimmons>ninuuz: What wireless device do you have?
10:26<munga>I had a fs problem and I've a corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/available ... can I restore it somehow ?
10:26<mib_1295ak>thank you, but if id like to use the package anyways, there is not a problem with having compiled the rest (aka not installing packages)..?
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10:27<kmap>mib_1295ak: As long as you don't install them such that they conflict...
10:27<gsimmons>!tell munga -about available
10:27<kmap>mib_1295ak: I am not sure about that; it is advisable to retain one of them at a time, I'd say.
10:28<ninuuz>gsimmons, intel 3945
10:28<gsimmons>!tell ninuuz -about ipw3945
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10:28<kmap>mib_1295ak: Oh, got it. There is no problem compiling it
10:28<Nemoder>mib_1295ak: you can easily build a .deb from it you can use to replace the installed version without causing conflicts
10:28<munga>gsimmons: thanks !!!
10:28<kmap>mib_1295ak: As long as you don't install it.
10:29<mib_1295ak>ok thank you all, i'm new to this so i didn't know if i had to either go the all-package way or the all-compile way :p
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10:30<seanius>mib_1295ak: beware though: the next time there's a new package upgrade it will probably want to upgrade the binary package over your installed ones
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10:30<ninuuz>!tell ninuuz -about ipw3945-fu
10:30<munga>is there a way to verify the integrity of all installed packages ?
10:30<seanius>munga: debsums
10:31<seanius>or tripwire
10:31<ninuuz>!tell ninuuz -about wireless connection managers
10:31<gsimmons>!tell ninuuz -about selftell
10:32<Nemoder>mib_1295ak: also, you can quickly get everything needed to compile it with: apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep mysql-dfsg-5.0
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11:05<antgel>am thinking of installing VHCS2 to manage virtual hosts and their users. is it the best option for an ISP control panel in terms of not mangling the system like webmin was rumoured to do?
11:05*abrotman looks at antgel
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11:06<antgel>abrotman: have i lost the plot?
11:06*abrotman makes a line chart
11:06<antgel>abrotman: have you lost the plot?
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11:07<abrotman>yeah .. probably ..
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11:07<antgel>it would be so nice if i didn't have to manage my virtual host users, that's all. i can't exactly give them shell access and tell them to get on with it
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11:08<abrotman>you can ...
11:09<abrotman>i'd say you'd do better to ask the vhcs people if their app mangles configs
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11:16<antgel>abrotman: indeed. i was wondering if there was a #debian-isp as there is a debian-isp mailing list, but apparently not. i'll search around. i don't even know why it's not in debian.
11:16<abrotman>antgel: doesn't it have an rfp ?
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11:19<antgel>abrotman: has lots of useful info actually. maybe i need ispcp. i'll look into it
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11:20<antgel>so, does ispcp mangle config files? :-D
11:20<abrotman>no idea
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11:22<KaiSVK>hi all
11:23<ninuuz>stupid intel w3945 just wont work..
11:23<cahoot>wrong firmware?
11:24<abrotman>using lenny/sid?
11:24<ninuuz>using etch.
11:24<dpkg>If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>.
11:24<abrotman>done all that?
11:24<KaiSVK>I have a small problem, I am a gnome user, and I like "native" gnome apps, so I use epiphany, and instead of loading flash videos there is allways a big PLAY logo and it starts playing after and only after I click on it :) in iceweasel it is normal, I also found out, that the situation was exactly opposite, firefox(weasel) seeing only play logo, and epiphany playing flash videos automatically :) anybody have a clue ?
11:25<ninuuz>abrotman, wont work.
11:25<KaiSVK>ninuuz, 3945 is one of the easiest installing wifi card I have ever seen
11:25<abrotman>KaiSVK: that's swfdec .. you can either remove the .so it creates .. or configure alternatives directly
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11:25<abrotman>ninuuz: won't work .. doesn't help .. why doesn't it work?
11:25<KaiSVK>abrotman, so I do remove it with apt ?
11:26<abrotman>KaiSVK: it will remove the gnome metapackage
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11:26<abrotman>KaiSVK: i solved it by altering the altnative for
11:26<ninuuz>abrotman, how do i write a log of the command(s) ?
11:26<KaiSVK>abrotman, I see :D
11:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:26<KaiSVK>abrotman, how did you do it ?
11:27<abrotman>update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ 10
11:27<abrotman>you may have to change for your own system
11:27<KaiSVK>abrotman, change what ? :D
11:27<abrotman>and then you run update-alternatives --config
11:28<abrotman>the last argument which is the path to the real flashplugin
11:28<KaiSVK>abrotman, you know funny thing is epiphany shows the right plugin with about:plugins :)
11:28<ninuuz>FATAL: Module ipw3945 not found.
11:28<ninuuz>FATAL: Error running install command for ipw3945
11:28<abrotman>KaiSVK: it probably shows multiple
11:28<abrotman>ninuuz: then you didn't read what the bot said
11:28<KaiSVK>ninuuz, m-a a-i ipw3945 :)
11:28<abrotman>he doesn't have to
11:28<dpkg>If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>.
11:28<abrotman>there is no m-a involved
11:28<ninuuz>i just copy/pasted what the bot said into the terminal as root.
11:29<abrotman>did you add contrib/non-free sources ?
11:29<ninuuz>ye to sources.list
11:29<KaiSVK>abrotman, aaah ... I know ... I just remembered how I did it on etch, happilly using lenny :) the driver is in kernel am I right ? :)
11:29<KaiSVK>abrotman, so I only needed to install firmware :)
11:29<abrotman>etch doesn't need m-a either
11:29<abrotman>and now lenny has iwlwifi
11:30<ninuuz>what do I need to do then?
11:30<abrotman>ninuuz: /msg dpkg contrib
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11:31<abrotman>ninuuz: /msg dpkg non-free
11:32<KaiSVK>abrotman, I still have wrong flash player :(
11:32<abrotman>KaiSVK: did you reconfig the link?
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11:32<abrotman>update-alternatives --config .. it should give you a choice of two plguins
11:33<abrotman>thne you have to close all browser instances
11:34<ninuuz>abrotman, still getting: FATAL: Module ipw3945 not found.
11:34<ninuuz>FATAL: Error running install command for ipw3945
11:34<KaiSVK>abrotman, I wrote No alternatives for
11:34<abrotman>ninuuz: did you install the ipw3945 modules?
11:34<abrotman>KaiSVK: you're on lenny?
11:34<KaiSVK>abrotman, yop, right :)
11:35<abrotman>KaiSVK: mine was setup by swfdec-mozilla .. i think
11:35<ninuuz>abrotman, could'nt find the modules.
11:35<abrotman>ninuuz: uname -a .. which kernel
11:35<abrotman>oh .. that might be why
11:36<abrotman>ninuuz: is iwlwifi available?
11:36<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @
11:36<KaiSVK>abrotman, the stupid thingy it can not be remove :(
11:36<abrotman>ninuuz: is firmware-iwlwifi available to you ?
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11:36<abrotman>KaiSVK: which cannot?
11:37<KaiSVK>grrr :(
11:37<abrotman>which is why i changed the alternatives system
11:37*abrotman will be back in a few
11:38<ninuuz>abrotman, yes iwlwifi was available :)
11:39<ninuuz>but when I use modprobe it just jumps a line..
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11:40<KaiSVK>abrotman, ok, solved it with the bastard way :) rm /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
11:40<cahoot>ninuuz: i e no error
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11:41<ninuuz>huh cahoot ?
11:41<cahoot>ninuuz: success is silent
11:41<ninuuz>wt.. ? i dont get what u mean?!
11:42<cahoot><ninuuz> but when I use modprobe it just jumps a line..
11:42<ninuuz>ninuuz:/etc/apt# modprobe iwl3945
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11:42<ninuuz>oh, you mean it worked out just fine?
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11:43<ninuuz>but how do i activated the wireless network then?
11:43<cahoot>read the last 20 or so lines of dmesg
11:43<cahoot>no complaints wrt to iwlwifi?
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11:45<cahoot>ok - just try iwlist scan
11:45<cahoot>dose wlan0 show up?
11:46<cahoot>check dmesg and see if there are complaints regarding iwlwifi
11:46<ninuuz>dmesg iwlist scan?
11:47<cahoot>no just dmesg in a terminal
11:47<ninuuz>iwl3945: probe of 0000:04:00.0 failed with error -2
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11:49<ninuuz>now i get: iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, 1.1.17ks
11:49<ninuuz>iwl3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2007 Intel Corporation
11:49<abrotman>KaiSVK: uhm .. that'll work i suppose .. til the next time it gets replaced
11:50<KaiSVK>abrotman, :/ hmm .. at least I know what I should do then, isn't it broken dependency ??? it want to remove whole gnome cause one silly package :/
11:50<abrotman>nope .. the way the package management works .. it's correct
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11:50<KaiSVK>abrotman, anyway, I am a gnome user, but I didn't find a way to choose a default program to open certain filles, do you know ?
11:50<abrotman>KaiSVK: you could make the swfdec as manually installed .. which would change that
11:51<ninuuz>what to do now cahoot
11:51<abrotman>configure your wifi ?
11:52<ninuuz>.. well, I ask 'cos i dont know.
11:52<cahoot>ninuuz: paste the output from dmesg on / in a pastebin
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11:54<cahoot>ninuuz: and - what does ls -la /lib/firmware/iwlwifi* return?
11:55<ninuuz>philip@ninuuz:~$ ls -la /lib/firmware/iwlwifi*
11:55<ninuuz>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 149652 2008-06-04 09:57 /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode
11:55<ninuuz>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 185764 2008-06-04 09:57 /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode
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11:55<abrotman>that's a lot of broken keys
11:55<cahoot>ninuuz: nothing wrong there AFAICT
11:56<cahoot>(referring to firmware)
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11:56<ninuuz>perhaps another kernel instead of 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 would do the trick? just nooby guessing?
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11:57<cahoot>ninuuz: what does /sbin/ifconfig -a return ?
11:58<ninuuz>do you want pastebin or is telling you that no wlan0 appears enough?
11:58<cahoot>that's enough
11:59<cahoot>and sad
11:59<cahoot>you don't happen to have ipw3945 loaded?
11:59<ninuuz>could be, how do i unload?
12:00<cahoot>check with lsmod
12:00<ninuuz>its not loaded.
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12:03<abrotman>guess that means he thinks a reboot will fix it
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12:04<ninuuz> cahoot, xchat suddently shuttet down :s
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12:05<parecen>thats for sure the automatic safety exit
12:05*parecen grins
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12:07<cahoot>ninuuz: iwlwifi has worked fine for me on this tp61 with iwl3945 since kernels 2.6.23 and later - so I doubt it's a kernel issue
12:09<cahoot>ninuuz: OTOH I've no fruitful idea as to why things doesn't turn out well for you
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12:09<ninuuz>I guess it's back to ubuntu then :/
12:09<abrotman>dmesg should give a hint
12:09<abrotman>ninuuz: that's not a good solution
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12:10<ninuuz>it worked in ubuntu and I need my laptop ready for taking notes in school tomorrow abrotman !
12:10<abrotman>ninuuz: you haven't been ttrying more than what .. 30 minutes?
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12:11<cahoot>ninuuz: hang on - did you modprobe iwl3945 or iwl4965?
12:11<ninuuz>both actualy.
12:11<abrotman>i thought it was iwlwifi ?
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12:12<ninuuz>i guess cahoot means ipw3945 and ipw4965?
12:12<cahoot> Kernel modules: iwl3945
12:12<KaiSVK>hi all again
12:12<cahoot>ninuuz: check lspci to see what device you actually have
12:13<ninuuz>Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
12:13<abrotman>ninuuz: lsmod | grep iwl .. how many are there?
12:14<ninuuz>iwl4965 98600 0
12:14<ninuuz>iwl3945 84968 0
12:14<ninuuz>firmware_class 9472 3 iwl4965,pcmcia,iwl3945
12:14<ninuuz>mac80211 115052 2 iwl4965,iwl3945
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12:14<abrotman>too many modules!
12:14<cahoot>remove both and modprobe the one you need
12:15<avu>and if you're not actually sure which one you need
12:15<avu>!which driver
12:15<dpkg>driver locator is probably To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into
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12:15<abrotman>i'd guess the uh .. "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG" uses iwl3945
12:16<ninuuz>how do i remove the bad ones?
12:16<cahoot>modprobe -r
12:16<abrotman>modprobe -r
12:16<abrotman>Someone said that 1 second ago!
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12:16<cahoot>speaking to me?
12:17<ninuuz>philip@ninuuz:~$ mobprobe -r
12:17<ninuuz>bash: mobprobe: command not found
12:17<abrotman>it was a joke .. nevermind
12:17<abrotman>ninuuz: as root
12:17<cahoot>(Taxi driver)
12:17<avu>also, modprobe, not mobprobe :)
12:18<ninuuz>i know that.
12:18<avu>also also, you have to actually tell it *which* module to unload
12:18<ninuuz>oh i have ?
12:18<ninuuz>cant i just use * ?
12:18<ninuuz>modprobe -r *
12:18<avu>no. also you surely do not want to unload all loaded kernel modules
12:19<cahoot>interesting concept though
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12:19<EmleyMoor>modprobe -r * <BANG!>
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12:20<EmleyMoor>No, just remove the particular unwanted one
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12:20<abrotman>or he could eww ... restart
12:20<EmleyMoor>He could use the Microsoft answer, you mean
12:21<cahoot>ninuuz: no iwl* loaded?
12:21<ninuuz>iwl3945 84968 0
12:21<cahoot>ninuuz: did you first remove it then reload it?
12:22<ninuuz>what i did was: modprobe -r "wrong one" and the modprobe "right one"
12:22<abrotman>not quite
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12:23<EmleyMoor>ninuuz: modprobe -r right one and then modprobe right one
12:23<cahoot>ninuuz: I'd suggest removing and reloading iwl3945
12:23<EmleyMoor>(to be sure you're loading it "clean")
12:23<abrotman>MS solution it is!
12:23<abrotman>it'd have been over/done with by now :)
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12:23<ninuuz>should i reboot :P ?
12:24<cahoot>don't spoil this group therapy session
12:24<fxiny>you call me ? :P
12:24<abrotman>yeah .. but we've been trying to get him to do the right module magic for 10 minutes :)
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12:24<ninuuz>MS solution it is! brb :P
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12:25<abrotman>cahoot: sorry to ruin your fun
12:25<cahoot>I'll live
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12:28<abrotman>cahoot: if you're bored in the meantime .. you could fix epiphany :)
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12:29<ninuuz>hello @ wlan <3
12:29<ninuuz>thx guys MS solution is the newbie way to go.
12:30<abrotman>we could have gotten you there the long way
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12:31<abrotman>ninuuz: aren't you glad you didn't go back to ubuntu .. all your friends would have laughed at you!
12:31<ninuuz>it's fine with me with MS solution to day, because i have to go @ soccer pratice.
12:31<ninuuz>abrotman, got no friends ^^
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12:31<DTE> why wiyh iscsi i always get "iscsid: could not verify connection 1:0"?
12:31<abrotman>okay then
12:33<ninuuz>now I can tell my friends @ school that they are vista/ubuntu noobs (and not telling the about this channel) :D
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12:35<ninuuz>well, once again thank you guys who helped me. I got to get @ soccer practice now :)
12:35<ninuuz>hf lads.
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12:38<Guest4750>test test test
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12:39<egns>Guest4422, /quit
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12:40<KaiSVK>Hi again :)
12:40<KaiSVK>I am testing this empathy thingy :)
12:40<noflash>!tell ninuuz-soccer -about away
12:40<KaiSVK>quite nice minimalistic soft
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12:41<lord_rob>hi ! how do I mount a mac formated cdrom into my debian box ?
12:42<abrotman>noflash: not really needed
12:43<weasel>lord_rob: wouldn't that also be an isowhatever filesystem?
12:44<abrotman>9660 ?
12:44<weasel>that's the one
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12:45<De_Ghosty>Hello ppl
12:46<enouf>lord_rob: you mean dmg?
12:46<lord_rob>enouf: it's an hfs+ fs
12:46<lord_rob>well I suppose
12:47<enouf>mount -t hfs -o loop myImage.dmg /macdisk ?
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12:47<enouf>run file on that proprietary crap
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12:48<enouf>there's an hfsutils pkg in debian, iinm too
12:49<lord_rob>enouf: couldn't debian directly see Mac formated CDs ?
12:49<lord_rob>I thought so
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12:50<lord_rob>(sorry if I did not express clearly)
12:51<enouf>lord_rob: i have no idea - might want to reply to others' inquiries
12:52<enouf>lord_rob: but a CD is a CD, and should contain ISO-9660 FS, (module name is 'isofs' , then there's 'udf' as well) but you mentioned HFS crap
12:52<lord_rob>weasel: it doesn't seem to also be an ISO fs because it isn't readable on a PC
12:52<enouf>file -s /dev/cdrom
12:53<enouf>isoinfo -d dev=/dev/cdrom
12:53<lord_rob>ah yes
12:53<lord_rob>thanks for that :)
12:53<lord_rob>useful info
12:53<enouf>i gotta shower - i smell like abrotman O_o
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12:54<lord_rob>thinkpad:/home/robert# isoinfo -d dev=/dev/cdrom
12:54<lord_rob>CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format
12:55<stevecotton>what did "file" say?
12:55<lord_rob> /dev/cdrom: symbolic link to `scd0'
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12:57<lord_rob>isn't there a module to handle hfs+ fs ?
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12:58<fxiny>lord_rob: apt-cache show hfsutils
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13:00<lord_rob>thanks fxiny
13:01<lord_rob>and there is a kernel module, which is loaded in my kernel
13:01<fxiny>lord_rob: np
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13:05<lord_rob>well that doesn't seem to work :/ thanks anyway
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13:06<lord_rob>It is not important for me anyway
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13:13<Reemo>Hey guys, is there a list of packages for each category of setup's software installation? ("Desktop", etc)?
13:14<panthera>Reemo: look at the sources of tasksel
13:14<parecen>Reemo: you can list packages by category with dpkg
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13:15<parecen>you can also list packages by tags
13:15<dmoerner>Reemo, aptitude search ~ttask
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13:19<Reemo>can't find anything...
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13:20<Reemo>whats so necessary about the "standard system"?
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13:20<abrotman>Reemo: tasksel --task-packages destkop
13:20<abrotman>Reemo: tasksel --task-packages desktop
13:20<panthera>dmoerner: aptitude doesn't use the same source for task as tasksel does;
13:20<panthera>dmoerner: and tasksel is what is used in d-i. so they can differ.
13:21<panthera>therefore, it's probably better to only look at tasksel.
13:21<parecen>usually you should be fine with debootstrap + kernel + xserver-xorg + gnome
13:21<abrotman>as for "Standard" .. i believe aptitude search "~pstandard" ?
13:21<parecen>given that you prefer gnome as desktop
13:21<Reemo>"standard" isnt an option at all-.-
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13:22<Reemo>ahh got it...
13:22<dmoerner>panthera, thank you for the clarification i wasn't aware of that
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13:28<enouf>lord_rob: when you get the "/dev/cdrom: symbolic link to `scd0'" output from a 'file -s' command, you then do; "file -s /dev/scd0" (file -s needs to work on the block device name/path)
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13:31<enouf>lord_rob: many times sr0 and scd0 are the block device names for cd/dvd drives in newer kernels especially - "udevinfo -q all -n /dev/scd0" will show you a "/block/name" - that's the /sys/block/name entry - the lines starting with 'S:' are symlinks
13:32<daemon>hey all how can i get a usb drive to mount in the same posistion all the time (fstab)
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13:33<enouf>daemon: better off with a udev rule, or maybe usbmount? or tweak your DE's automounter settings? apologies if i'm not clear/certain
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13:35<enouf>the udev rule might want an accompanying fstab entry - hrm, or look at pmount, gah
13:35<enouf>anyway - time for BBQ ;-)
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13:37<Justiceiro_df>alguem conhece algum canal de postfix em portugues???
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13:38<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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13:39<daemon>sorry about that
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13:39<daemon>previous question not sure if anyone answered
13:40<cahoot>daemon: not using gnome?
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13:40<daemon>cahoot, I am using gnome
13:40<daemon>cahoot, the issue is im using /var /usr and swap on an external disk
13:40<cahoot>daemon: gnome-volume-manager installed?
13:40<daemon>which are mounted at boott
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13:40<daemon>when I plug my usb hub in to plug mice and other crap in
13:40<daemon>it decided to remap /usr /var and alsorts of random stuff happens
13:41<daemon>cahoot, i think gvm is installed yes
13:41<cahoot>daemon: if those essental dirs are on a removable I suppose you need them in fstab using f ex /dev/disk/by-uuid
13:42<daemon>cahoot, ah ha uuid, at present they are simply defined
13:42<daemon> /dev/sdc[1-3]
13:42<daemon>where do i locate the uuid and can i just define the mount point by uuid and no dev path?
13:42<daemon>as to make allowances for if i make them part of a hub at some point
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13:43<lord_rob>I can do cat /dev/scd0 to see the content of the CDROM
13:43<cahoot>daemon: mount by hand and figure them out by looking in /dev/disk/by-uuid (I know there is a more elegant way - don't remember it atm)
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13:46<cahoot>daemon: you can use lines like this in fstab: UUID=5cbc6cad-ab0a-4721-ba27-b4a3deff85e9 /home ext3 defaults
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13:47<maxb_>"blkid" shows identity information about block devices (needs to be root)
13:47<cahoot>daemon: ^
13:47<daemon>cahoot, cool
13:48<daemon>cahoot, how can I retrieve the uuid from each partition
13:48<daemon>ah perfect
13:49<daemon>vi /etc/fstab
13:49<daemon>brb ;)
13:50<Reemo>wha where's my /proc/acpi/asus/* ?
13:50<Reemo>fresh install, 2.6.26-1-686 kernel
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13:51<Reemo>and again, the wrong channel. sorry guys.
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13:54<daemon>what exactly was you looking for
13:54<daemon>i dont have that directory too
13:54<Reemo>I lost the point at some time...
13:54<daemon>but am running on an Eee
13:54<Reemo>When i was setting up my EeePc (looooong time ago) with Debian
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13:54<daemon>you checked the bug list for .26
13:54<daemon>a few things are messed up -_-
13:55<daemon>acpi wise
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13:55<Reemo>yea, but, did they kick the whole proc triggers?
13:55<Reemo>I mean...
13:55<Reemo>and where the hell is my battery gone? Miss it since .25
13:55<daemon>battery monitor works in gnome
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13:55<daemon>you sohuld have got these
13:55<daemon>you sohuld have got these;
13:55<daemon>for a work around
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13:56<Reemo>lovely. just lovely
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13:56<daemon>laptop1:/etc/acpi/events# cd /etc/acpi/actions/; ls
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13:56<Reemo> /sys/devices/platform/eeepc/
13:57<Reemo>there u hiding!
13:57<daemon>Reemo, what eee are you running on just out of intrest
13:57<Reemo>the 701 4G Linux
13:57<Reemo>(probably european/german model)
13:57<daemon>coolio your a little luckier than me i have the 1000
13:57<daemon>running beta wireless and wired drivers :D
13:58<Reemo>I'm laughing my ass up for this poor guy in my class
13:58<Reemo>Has bought the eeepc with the bigger display
13:58<Reemo>(and lower bat)
13:59<Guest4756>i would like to use debian with the text mode only
13:59<daemon>Reemo, im not 100% sure your model suffers from this bug but keep na eye out all the Fn-fX keys especially 6/7 if tapped to quickly or held in will make the machine slow ass as the 'fix' for it is to run
13:59<daemon>Reemo, cruel that was the 900 i think
13:59<Reemo>he's the real geek.
13:59<Reemo>Runnin Xp on it
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14:00<daemon>he would love mine triple booted between 3 Extremly modified os's
14:00<daemon>freebsd/8-current debian and windows
14:00<Reemo>how did you manage your disk space?
14:00<daemon>i have 40G of ssd on the 1000
14:00<daemon>but i bought one of those slimline low profile external bus powered disks
14:01<daemon>I have / (linux), / (bsd) and c:\ (windows) on the first bit (takes about 4G)
14:01<daemon>all d:\ which i have fo rwindows and its system files and what not and all the rest of linux are on the first 60G of the external
14:02<daemon>the remaining 30G+ of the ssg is BSD
14:02<daemon>with ports and tmp etc on the usb ext
14:02<Reemo>40G SSD, that isnt a cheap netbook anylonger, is it?
14:02<daemon>let me ge tyou a link ;(
14:02<panagos>is there a way to group cron mails and have them sent all in one shot? like once a day or so, instead of once each execution
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14:04<daemon>Reemo, ^ im actually a bsd geek, but an online company i started is getting bought by a bigger one which is debian obsessed so I figure I best learn about it
14:04<daemon>the windows is just for ... im not sure something to play games on when i should be working i guess
14:04<daemon>just wanted to know how small i could actually get it ;)
14:05<Reemo>Ah :D kay
14:05<daemon>Reemo, oh a slight note too. I bent the truth for ease of speech even though it says 40G ssd its not, it sinfact a 30G ssd and an 9ish G ssd
14:05<daemon>after formatting++
14:05<Reemo>WHAT THE HELL
14:05<Reemo>Thats... fuckin cheap
14:05<Reemo>I want this!
14:05<daemon>go get extended cover on your 701 and blow it up accidentally
14:06<daemon>take it in for replacement and ge ta 1000 ;p
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14:06<daemon>Reemo, the nicest thing ever is the keyboard
14:06<Reemo>i actually removed this little sticker
14:06<daemon>95% realisitic
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14:06<Reemo>telling me... like.. "voids if removed"
14:06<daemon>err real sized
14:06<daemon>Reemo, no one ever checks that
14:06<daemon>in england at least
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14:07<daemon>Reemo, ooh i know what you can help me with.. does the video camera actually work its the only peice of hardware i have not examined yet
14:07<Reemo>Mine does
14:07<Reemo>I dont use it that much
14:07<Reemo>but i tried
14:08<daemon>do i need anything special, being a BSD geek im using to making pictures in vi using funny extended-ascii and pasting really quickly for movement
14:08<daemon>s/using/used to/
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14:09<Reemo>uvc drivers did it for me
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14:09<daemon>apt-get install uvc?
14:09<Reemo>i think you should use module-assistant
14:09<Reemo>usually its like.. linux uvc or something like that
14:09<daemon>got it
14:09<squee>Is it possible to mount an http directory listing?
14:09<Guest4756>Torsten : hi
14:09<Guest4756>TOrsten : are you still there
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14:10<daemon>squee, you me mount say /home/paul/public_html on your local system
14:10<daemon>for easy editing?
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14:11<squee>daemon: It's for a media server that my roomates will be connecting to, so it's not local
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14:11<daemon>squee, personally id go samba encapsulated in openvpn
14:11<daemon>or nfs
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14:12<OvO>TORSTEN !
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14:12<squee>daemon, I've had issues using samba, i'll give nfs a try. thanks
14:12<daemon>squee, for 'one offs' sshfs
14:12<daemon>does nicely
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15:07<oc>i'm downloading a file in mozilla to another partition that my root addiction, strangely the download is increasingly occupying space on the target partition and the root partition as df indicates
15:07<oc>i couldn't find anything in /tmp, does anyone have an idea how to fix this ?
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15:09<ninuuz>hmm Amsn just stays at "Signing in", why?
15:10<oc>restart amsn
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15:10<ninuuz>have tried that serveral times.
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15:10<oc>check in preferences if you use login via http
15:11<ninuuz>it is as http and ports is forwarded.
15:12<ninuuz>ports are*
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15:12<oc>disable that
15:12<oc>the http method
15:12<stevecotton>oc - check which process is mozilla, then look in /proc/<id>/fd to find out what it's writing
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15:17<ninuuz>oc does not work.
15:17<oc>is this the first time you use amsn
15:18<ninuuz>on this install of debian, yes.
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15:18<oc>are you behind a router
15:18<weasel>almost everyone is
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15:18<ninuuz>ye, but thats not the problem.
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15:19<oc>so you're sure it's not a port issue
15:20<ninuuz>gaim connects right away.
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15:21<fenix>alguem alem de mim e brasileiro aqui ?
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15:21<ninuuz>fenix un poco español :)
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15:22<Jefferson>tava como FENIX
15:22<ninuuz>he quitted.
15:22<Jefferson>mas hein, nenhum Brasileiro aqui nao ?
15:23<qq_>no, he's the same Jefferson (
15:23<panagos>hey, does anyone else have problems with ktorrent 3.1? mine (3.1.1) is taking up too much cpu... (i have a lot of stopped torrents, version 2.2 ran fine though)
15:23<Jefferson>i'm sorry man....i not espeak english ....
15:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:24<qq_>Jefferson: ^^^
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15:25<Jefferson>(/j#debia-br) isso ?
15:26<Jefferson>(/j3debian-br) isso ***
15:26<qq_>so /j j#debia-br
15:26<qq_>err , so /j #debia-br
15:26<qq_>err , so /j #debian-br
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15:26<Jefferson>e isso oq faz ?
15:27<AzaTht>gah, the time I need latex help, the #latex on freenode is more silent than a church on mondays
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15:27<AzaTht>you don't speak english, and your nick is Jefferson ?
15:28<AzaTht>1 + 1 = 3
15:28<Jefferson>yah, My name is Jefferson, a name very pop in Brazil....
15:28<qq_>... and felix ?
15:29<AzaTht>anyone here fluent in latex?
15:29<dondelelcaro>AzaTht: best to just ask your question, or ask #latex
15:30<dondelelcaro>(#latex is on freenode)
15:30<AzaTht>dondelelcaro: as I said, #latex is more silent than a church
15:30<AzaTht>(on freenode)
15:30<dondelelcaro>AzaTht: so ask, and wait
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15:31<dondelelcaro>(it is a US holiday, and it's the end of summer too)
15:31<TheLastMohican>i have problem. is anyone willing to help me?
15:31<abrotman>TheLastMohican: just ask
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15:32<Jefferson>a question, what the purpose of this chat?
15:32<Jefferson>I found here in my pc, but I do not get it serves
15:32<screenn>when we don't know what kind of problem you have, what we can help you? :)
15:32<TheLastMohican>i upgraded hdd from 80GB to 250GB on my PIII 800MHZ :)
15:33<screenn>I have same hdd on same pc :)
15:33<TheLastMohican>since then i face problems in apache/php
15:33<TheLastMohican>in local it execute php but from network it tries to download php scrip???
15:35<TheLastMohican>did anyone faced this problem/have solution?
15:35<abrotman>TheLastMohican: clear the browser cache and restart your browser
15:35<stevecotton>can you see the files on both hard drives at the same time?
15:36<TheLastMohican>i will try that right away
15:36<stevecotton>is the executable flag set on the php files on the old drive, but not the new one?
15:36<stevecotton>put another way, did you copy the files with "cp" or "cp -a"?
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15:36*stevecotton isn't skilled with Apache, not sure if the executable flag is needed.
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15:37<screenn>don't you think it's from for new hdd drive
15:37<TheLastMohican>thanks abrotman
15:37<TheLastMohican>it is working now!
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15:37<TheLastMohican>jeez i didn't sleep last night just becouse that simple stupid thing
15:37<TheLastMohican>browser cache
15:38<screenn>TheLastMohican so, did you bios recognize 250 GB hdd?
15:38<TheLastMohican>it does not
15:38<screenn>mine too
15:38<TheLastMohican>it sees just 137GB
15:38<screenn>but, we haven't a problems in system with that, because we are using debian :)
15:39<abrotman>you can try updating your bios
15:39<screenn>for what
15:39<screenn>it's all works good without
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15:41<screenn>I have ide to sata connector for my pIII, so I'm happy debian user with old hardware today
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15:42<screenn>though, PIII isn't old in real
15:42<jnjb>hello all
15:43<screenn>jnjb hi
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15:45<sander_m>Hello. I just hooked a scanner to my Debian Etch box and installed xsane, but I can't make the scanner work. Xsane says there's no supported device found, but the scanner shoiuld be supported (CanonScan FB630P)
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15:46<nolochemical>hello :D
15:46<infotron>*burp* hi nolochemical
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15:47<nolochemical>I am a developer and I am new to debian. I have just completed the install and ran around a bit yay!! but.. I have having troublewith my video card setup ..
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15:48<nolochemical>firstly is this the right place to ask for help ?
15:48<ninuuz>gui app for burning cds ?
15:48<Lenhix>or gnome-baker
15:48<Lenhix>Both have worked well for me
15:49<jnjb>Lenhix, brasero
15:50<Lenhix>I've heard of it but never used it
15:51<Lenhix>I fell in love with k3b for burning CDs/DVDs
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15:52<Lethalman>there's also serpentine
15:52<jnjb>Lenhix in past k3b have big bugs at home
15:52<infotron>xterm! ;)
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15:52<jnjb>and brasero work very whell
15:52<Lenhix>Well, I came here because I'm getting an error with aRts. The aRts control tool displays a window which says "arts should run with realtime scheduling but it does not" and sometimes I get an error when trying to enable the realtime in the KDE control center
15:53<jnjb>and excuse me but kde is not for me
15:55<sander_m>Hello. Can anyone please help me with my scanner?
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15:55<dpkg>well, sane is Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or and #sane at
15:55<stephen_>Hello everyone.. does anyone know how to get lilo to boot into another partition without modifying the lilo.conf.. I want to be able to do it at the lilo command line level just before boot
15:55<stephen_>many thanks
15:55<infotron>check their website for compatibility
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15:56<dooglus>ijn: can you "iwlist wlan0 scan" and see your access point?
15:56<sander_m>infotron: I know about Sane, but it appears that /dev/scanner isn't created
15:57<dooglus>ijn: sorry, wrong channel
15:57<infotron>sander_m: is it usb or scsi?
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15:57<sander_m>infotron: parport
15:57<sander_m>infotron: It's a CanonScan FB630P which should be supported
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15:58<infotron>sander_m: that's a tricky one. poke around in /usr/share/doc/sane* I've never used anything but scsi or usb scanners with sane
15:58<infotron>iirc, /dev/scanner is related to scsi - but I'm not completely sure.
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15:58<sander_m>infotron: Okay. I'll have a look. I do see /dev/parport0 so maybe I can convince Sane to use that
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16:01<infotron>sander_m: sane (and most "non insane" software) should ignore parallel port probing unless asked to do so. parallel ports aren't exactly a clean way to talk to a device, so it's usually avoided. (whereas usb, scsi, pci etc have device ids that are eaisly requested)
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16:02<sander_m>infotron: Well, `sane-find-scanner -p` should look at the parallel port, but no succes
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16:06<sander_m>infotron: I give up. I'll try with Lenny.
16:06<sander_m>tweety:~# scanimage -d canon_pp:/dev/parport0 > scan.pnm
16:06<sander_m>scanimage: open of device canon_pp:/dev/parport0 failed: Error during device I/O
16:07<infotron>sander_m: too bad you're overseas, or I'd dispense with an idle usb scanner I have for shipping cost alone.
16:08<sander_m>infotron: With shipping cost to Europe it's probably cheaper to buy one :-)
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16:54<stevecotton>Is there a music-player app that manages multiple playlists like this: a main playlist, with next to each song a set of checkboxes. Then you select sub-playlists by choosing "play only songs with a tick in this tickbox column"?
16:55<stevecotton>(does that make sense? I could draw what I'm thinking of)
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17:03<c4_t_>does someone knows how to accept frames to one mac in the router that has destination (ip) from any 192.168.10.*?
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17:04<c4_t_>some kind of proxy arp i guess
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17:07<Mahalo>What are you guys adding to your sources.list for etchnahalf? I just did a clean install and I'm looking for some packages I can't find.
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17:09<c4_t_>Mahalo: May be a contrib or nonus package
17:09<c4_t_>Mahalo: Let me see
17:09<Mahalo>Nice install, the only thing etchnahalf didn't find and set up was my sound and that just took an alsaconfig
17:10<Mahalo>10-4. I'll do some searching. Thanks for the update.
17:10<Mahalo>I'm looking for the multimedia source too
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17:11<c4_t_>Mahalo: Try adding this to your sources list and then apt-get update: deb etch main contrib non-us
17:11<Mahalo>Ah, thanks
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17:11<c4_t_>contrib, non-us i guess it was something like that
17:12<Mahalo>trying it out now
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17:12<c4_t_>Mahalo: but do some googling, cause i cant remember if it was "non-us" the correct chain
17:13<c4_t_>Mahalo: or may be is a non standar repository
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17:14<c4_t_>like the one for karrigged or carigged or something like that, a cluster kernel
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17:14<c4_t_>is in it`s own repository
17:14<Lethalman> using Microsoft-IIS/6.0
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17:14<Lethalman>and vsftpd
17:15<Lethalman>i don't believe it
17:16<Mahalo>to do it failed...hold.
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17:18<c4_t_>someone knows how to do: 192.168.10.* <-> <-> But is who has the antena to get to 192.168.0.*, so has to send ip 192.168.0.* into mac of
17:18<zlx>Hey quick question, how do I set up sudo for my user.. I tried editing /etc/sudoer and adding "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" but this did nothing?
17:18<c4_t_>and is windows!
17:19<c4_t_>zlx: su ?
17:19<c4_t_>zlx type $> su
17:19<c4_t_>what an ugly propt
17:20<zlx>c4_t_, I did it under su but i'd like to use sudo for some things
17:20<tonak>hello, how to print on a shared printer at an xp pc?
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17:51<souza>hi what you name?
17:51<souza>oi qual se nome? name
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17:56<daemon>hey all
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17:56<daemon>i just installed java so i can login to my switch
17:56<daemon>but non of my browsers seem to tell me i have java installed?
17:56<daemon>except opera which says it is installed but its not working correctly
17:57<Mahalo>no dice on the sources.list for etchanahalf
17:57<Lethalman>daemon, if you have amd64 no java working there
17:57<daemon>Lethalman, IntelAtom i386
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17:59<dpkg>methinks java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives>
18:00<Mahalo>The .ar repo is too far away and soo slow...
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18:00<daemon>Hideo, i dont care what the hell it is as long as i can loginn to my switch
18:00<daemon>prefferable epiphany
18:00<qq_>Mahalo: add this >> deb http://ftp.<ID_yourCountry> etch main contrib non-freeton
18:01<qq_> non-free*
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18:01<Hideo>daemon: then ask dpkg about <install java> then
18:01<Lethalman>a dpkg help for sources.list would be appreciated
18:01<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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18:02<Hideo>dpkg is omnipotent
18:02<dpkg>Hideo: are you smoking crack?
18:02<Hideo>dpkg: why yes, yes I am
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18:02<dpkg>Hideo: bugger all, i dunno
18:03<oholiab>this is probably a really dense question and my google-fu may have failed me entirely
18:03<oholiab>but I'm having some issues setting up a debian server
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18:04<Hideo>such as ...
18:04<oholiab>and I was wondering if I should be able to ssh to the box immediately after setting sshd running, or if there is some config I need to be messing around with first
18:05<Hideo>why don't you try ssh then
18:05<Hideo>don't log in as root though
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18:05<oholiab>I have tried it
18:05<oholiab>it doesn't work
18:06<Hideo>is this a remote server?
18:06<oholiab>I can ssh out and connect to the internet from the "server" itself
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18:06<oholiab>no, I have it in front of me :P
18:06<Hideo>also what errors did it give you? "Doesn't work" doesn't give alot to go on
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18:07<oholiab>when I ssh in it gives no feedback, i.e. is trying to connect but hangs
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18:07<qq_>ping works ?
18:07<Hideo>is sshd running on that server? If it is, sounds like it is firewalled
18:07<oholiab>I assume it's found what it's looking for but the server itself isn't scanning on the correct ports
18:07<oholiab>that's a good idea
18:08<oholiab>no, 100% packet loss
18:08<oholiab>shouldn't be I don't think
18:09<oholiab>I might be being a complete douche and using the wrong IP
18:09<oholiab>I used a "what is my IP address" site
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18:09<Hideo>I thought the server is on the same LAN and in front of you?
18:10<Ichiban>I'm having some trouble installing a package and apt-get is giving me an error message I've never seen before. Perhaps someone could help me shed some light on this issue: running the command "sudo apt-get install build-essential" returns an error that various packages have unmet dependencies. This is the first time I've come here, so if there's a specific place that anyone would like me to upload the full text of the error or any related
18:10<oholiab>should I get the correct IP from ifconfig?
18:10<Hideo>try that
18:10<Hideo>!tell Ichiban about paste
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18:11<oholiab>Hideo: okay, we've managed to get in using the local IP address
18:11<oholiab>like, the 192.168.etc
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18:12<Hideo>oholiab: ok, check your router/gateway settings then
18:12<Hideo>if you want to be able to connect to the server from the outside
18:12<oholiab>Hideo: thank you very much
18:12<oholiab>that's identified the problem for us
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18:12<oholiab>that's fantastic
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18:13<Ichiban>Alright, here's the fulltext starting at the command "apt-get install build-essential":
18:13<qq_>Ichiban: add to paste , sources.list
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18:14<suzana>boa noite
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18:14<Ichiban>It's a little messy, and a lot is currently commented out, but here's my current sources.list:
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18:17<maxb_>Ichiban: just to be sure... do you have any additional files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
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18:18<qq_>Ichiban: ? ?
18:19<Mahalo>Thanks guys, see ya later.
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18:20<Ichiban>I just added that one when I was trying to figure out this problem on my own. I thought that perhaps the files were in a repository that was common that I was unaware of. I found that one recommended in a forum. It didn't fix the problem, obviously xD
18:20<maxb_>meh, never add repositories unless you understand why you're adding them
18:21<qq_>Ichiban: on 18 remove contrib non-free
18:21<maxb_>qq_: why?
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18:22<qq_>maxb: dpkg said so
18:23<qq_>Ichiban: comment 30 31
18:23<Ichiban>already did after the dubious way you regarded that repository
18:24<maxb_>I can't see how it can possibly make sense to remove contrib and non-free from the security line but not the normal line
18:24<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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18:25<maxb_>That is a boilerplate factoid and does not answer my doubt
18:26<Hideo>!etch security
18:26<dpkg>Put "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch
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18:27<Hideo>I'm confused
18:27<maxb_>why are you confused? :-)
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18:28<Hideo>b/c contrib and non-free should be there, shouldn't they?
18:28<Hideo>I don't use etch/stable so I can't really say
18:28<maxb_>the presence or absence of those two is mostly personal preference, IMO
18:29<Hideo>Ichiban: can you try without "contrib non-free" to see if it works?
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18:30<maxb_>I would be amazingly shocked if it did
18:30<Ichiban>Already tried with those changes, no difference. Same error.
18:30<maxb_>Ichiban: try it, just to settle the channel's curiosity, but after you do, put contrib and non-free back
18:32<maxb_>to recap: you should now have just two "deb ..." lines uncommented, one for, the other for, both ending "main contrib non-free"
18:32<Hideo>Ichiban: what versions of libc6-dev, libc-dev and g++ do you have installed?
18:33<Hideo>Ichiban: also did you "apt-get update" after you removed the "contrib non-free"?
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18:33<Ichiban>yes, I updated after every change. It made no difference.
18:33<maxb_>Ichiban: please then run "apt-get update", and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" - but say no at the prompt to actually do anything - just paste us the output
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18:34<Ichiban>Do you want the output from the update on paste, or just the dist-upgrade?
18:34<maxb_>just the dist-upgrade
18:34<CraiZE>i have a server and the provider just added usb harddisks, they claim they are enabled in the bios, and the OS recognizes them.. however, dont see them in /dev at all
18:35<maxb_>hmm, how odd
18:35<CraiZE>lsusb does show them...
18:35<Hideo>CraiZE: what does it show?
18:35<CraiZE>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 059b:0277 Iomega Corp.
18:35<CraiZE>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 059b:0277 Iomega Corp.
18:35<qq_>hmmm g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) on etch ?
18:36<maxb_>Ichiban: perhaps if you try an "apt-get install g++" to see how it responds? (since that was one of the packages mentioned in the previous error)
18:37<CraiZE>maxb, any idea? :)
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18:37<Hideo>CraiZE: see anything with "fdisk -l" ?
18:37<maxb_>qq_: I have 4.1.1-15 on my etch box, so that seems reasonable
18:37<CraiZE>i dont :(
18:37<CraiZE>only my existing SDA :)
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18:38<qq_>Ichiban: apt-cache policy g++ | grep Ins
18:38<maxb_>hmm, I wonder why "it is not going to be installed"
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18:39<Hideo>CraiZE: dmesg doesn't say anything about them either?
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18:40<CraiZE>well not much
18:40<CraiZE>let me pastebin it
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18:40<maxb_>Ichiban: run "dpkg -l g++" and what are the status letters at the beginning of the line?
18:41<Hideo>Ichiban: maybe try "apt-get -f install"
18:43<maxb_>huh, this is getting confusing
18:43<Hideo>CraiZE: see anything about sd[a-z] ?
18:44<CraiZE>only sda
18:44<CraiZE>sdb and sdc dont appear as expected
18:44<Hideo>CraiZE: lsmod | grep -i usb
18:45<CraiZE>4 line paste ok here?
18:45<maxb_>Ichiban: apt-show-versions is a program to report for each of the packages on your system whether the version matches the one in the debian archive. So, if you "apt-get install apt-show-versions" and then "apt-show-versions | fgrep -v uptodate" and paste the result, maybe that will show something odd?
18:45<CraiZE>or shall i use the paste bin?
18:45<Hideo>CraiZE: use paste bin
18:46<Hideo>CraiZE: hmm... I don't know then, sorry :(
18:47<CraiZE>np :)
18:47<maxb_>aha, *now* we're getting somewhere :-)
18:47<maxb_>You seem to have some newer-than-stable packages installed, which are fouling up the dependencie
18:47<Hideo>Ichiban: cat /etc/debian_version
18:48<Hideo>hi pppoe_dude
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18:49<maxb_>ouch, some of those versions seem to come from sid/unstable
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18:49<Hideo>yeah I don't know what is up with that
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18:50<Ichiban>I did some messing with my sources trying to figure out how to get this installed, but to my knowledge I never added unstable / sid repos.
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18:51<maxb_>do you know where that nspluginwrapper package came from? or the flashplayer-mozilla? Those seem like fairly manually installed things
18:52<Ichiban>Those *were* manually installed. I was looking for a flashplayer plugin that performed well.
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18:52<maxb_>Precisely how did you do it, because I think you might have pulled in more than you wanted in doing so
18:53<Ichiban>Hmm, I downloaded the .deb and installed using whatever tool is associated with those files. I'm not going to have to get rid of it, will I? I was actually very pleased with its performance.
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18:54<Hideo>I don't know, can he "apt-get install libc6/stable" et al without completely fubar his stable box?
18:54<abrotman>depends how much he installed from unstable
18:54<Hideo>abrotman: looks like these are the only ones not from stable:
18:55<hachi>is there an automated way of installing 32bit x86 packages on 64bit debian?
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18:55<hachi>I see a lot of packages compiled as 32bit, and then put in a 64bit arch package... but it seems like there's a gap in coverage
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18:55<hachi>for example, I need libopenal0 in 32bit form on my 64bit machine
18:56<abrotman>he'd have to get all and try to force the downgrade .. which is not supported
18:57<qq_>hmm seems base-system is sid >>> libc6 2.7-13 gcc-4.3-base 4.3.1-9 locales 2.7-13 libncurses5 5.6+20080804-1 ...
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18:57<maxb_>yeah, I'm reluctant to recommend forcing a downgrade.... it might work.... or it might screw up the installation completely
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18:58<Ichiban>Well, what other options occur to you?
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18:59<Ichiban>Well, if those are my two options, I guess I can try the downgrade, and if that fails my other option was a reinstall anyway, right?
19:00<qq_>Ichiban: or assume to menage a sid system
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19:00<Ichiban>What are the drawbacks to that?
19:00<maxb_>unstable is.... unstable
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19:00<Ichiban>How unstable is unstable?
19:00<Ichiban>Like, would it cause more aggravation than a reinstall do you think?
19:00<maxb_>besides, if you were going to upgrade, you'd be far better off going for lenny
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19:01<Nemoder>hachi: if the lib isn't in ia32-libs then all you can do is download the 32bit package and manually extract the .so file to /emul/ia32-linux/lib/
19:01<Ichiban>Well, it sounds like some of my packages were garnered from sid. Could I upgrade to lenny and downgrade the sid packages to lenny more easily than I could downgrade them to etch?
19:02<hachi>Nemoder: actually, I found ia32-apt-get
19:02<hachi>now I'm trying to figure out what happened to debian-multimedia
19:02<maxb_>Ichiban: most of your packages match versions in lenny. I don't know why qq_ is suggesting sid
19:02<Ichiban>I see. How unstable is lenny?
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19:04<maxb_>I've been using lenny on a console-only server for a long while, with minimal problems. I've no experience with GUI stuff on it
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19:06<Hideo>Ichiban: lenny is ok, it will probably become stable in the next few months
19:06<Ichiban>Okay. It sounds like the most sane method of handling this problem is upgrading to a lenny system, then. How would I go about doing that?
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19:08<Ichiban>change the stable entries in /etc/apt/sources.list to lenny and sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
19:08<qq_>Ichiban: uname -a get what ?
19:09<maxb_>hmm, I think I remember seeing something in the release notes about it being necessary to "apt-get install" selected packages before going ahead with the full dist-upgrade
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19:09<Hideo>Ichiban: I think I found your problem, at some point in time, you had line 2-4 in your sources.list uncommented, which explains the mix of testing and stable
19:10<Hideo>as seen in ""
19:10<Hideo>line 2-4 have BOTH lenny and stable in them
19:10<Hideo>or testing and stable, same diff
19:11<Ichiban>Yeah, I blame my blind stumbling with that and sources listed on forums. I've trimmed it back to entries I understand. That command you gave me returns: Linux debian-baux 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Aug 19 04:30:56 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:12<Ichiban>current /etc/apt/sources.list:
19:12<Hideo>Ichiban: erase lines 2-4 they are false anyway
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19:13<qq_>comment line 30 31 too
19:13<Hideo>ok, with the current sources.list, now to upgrade to lenny, change stable --> lenny, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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19:15<Ichiban>Alright, it's running.
19:15<maxb_>gah, dont!
19:15<Hideo>cross your fingers
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19:16<maxb_>I'm sure I saw instructions that it's vital to apt-get install a few specific packages first
19:16<maxb_>as I said
19:16<Ichiban>It's still downloading, should I ctrl-c it first?
19:16<Hideo>woops, did I give out bad advice?
19:16<maxb_>I would
19:16<maxb_>ctrl-c it, that is
19:16<Ichiban>alright, done. What packages are vital that I must get first?
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19:17<maxb_> is one of the emails I was thinking of
19:18<Hideo>dpkg: etch->lenny
19:18<dpkg>i guess etch->lenny is First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, `aptitude update` and `aptitude dist-upgrade`. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.
19:19<maxb_>where *are* the lenny release notes?
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19:21<qq_>well for debian-installer
19:21<Ichiban>Okay, so which packages do I need to apt-get install? *Can* I apt-get intall them, or will I need to compile them? I won't be able to compile them I don't believe, since compiling something from source was the reason I tried to install build-essential and discovered this issue to begin with.
19:22<Hideo>Ichiban: looks like you should do: apt-get update && apt-get install dpkg apt aptitude && apt-get dist-upgrade
19:22<soniker89>Does Someone have Dreamlinux?
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19:23<maxb_>the only one I've been able to find mention of is dpkg. Doing apt as well seems sensible. Unless you're using aptitude to do the upgrade there's no point in preupgrading it, I'd say. So I mostly agree with Hideo
19:24<abrotman>soniker89: wrong channel
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19:24<abrotman>soniker89: try #dreamlinux on
19:25<Hideo>Ichiban: let this be a lesson to never mix different releases =P
19:26<soniker89>Dremlinux still be Debian Am I wrong?
19:26<Ichiban>I'm starting to wonder how the guys on the forums suggesting these source.lists got away with it. Of course I will be much more discriminating in accepting advice on editing such integral files in the future. xD
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19:27<Hideo>soniker89: if it was Debian, it would be called Debian then, no?
19:28<abrotman>soniker89: you are wrong .. #dreamlinux on
19:29<soniker89>Oh u right but is noonen there! so I thouth I can ask some ? if u dont mind!
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19:32<Ichiban>Alright, well, that preliminary upgrade is complete and apt-get dist-upgrade is running. After it's complete, do I have to just restart my box and that's it? (for the upgrade)
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19:33<abrotman>soniker89: then ask ##linux on freenode
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19:33<Hideo>Ichiban: if it upgrades a kernel too, then yes you're recommended to reboot
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19:34<Hideo>everything else should be work out too, hopefully
19:34<Ichiban>Great. I hope it does.
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20:01<Sprutnik>Im a PHP programmerbut i just made my firsh .sh script i in REALLY need for helt with remove the first 17 chars of a string
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20:02<c4_>how do i know the refresh rate that is set in xorg now
20:03<Sprutnik>substring() strstr() substr() dont work
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20:03<dmoerner>Sprutnik, use cut
20:03<Sprutnik>dont know how
20:04<Hideo>man cut
20:04<Sprutnik>tried cut -d "-" -f 2 but i didnt come up with the text after -.
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20:07<dmoerner>Sprutnik, cut -c 17- or something like that
20:08<Sprutnik>ill try thanx
20:08<abrotman>!bash programming
20:08<dpkg>rumour has it, bash programming is fairly easy; a good intro may be found at
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20:20<lmac>i am using a thinkpad t30 wth a prism 2.5 based wireless card (senao 2511CD plus EXT2)
20:20<lmac>i think debian is using the orinoco drivers..
20:21<lmac>whenever i start downloading anything big or bandwith intensive, i start getting a lot of "Information Frame Lost" messages, any ideas?
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20:22<lmac>should i just try the hostap drivers?
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20:23<andre>Alguem pora?
20:23<andre>alguem porai????
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20:23<dmoerner>dpkg, tell andre -about debian-pt
20:24<dmoerner>dpkg, tell andre -about debian-br
20:24<andre>dmoerner, Obrigado!
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20:25<abrotman>dmoerner: i think he wants to put ketchup on you
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20:30<abb4d0n>hey ppl, i'm having some problem with synaptic, thought maybe some1 here could help me... whenever i try to add sid to the riposotories it crashes and sais somemthing about the fact there's not enough space when i run it again... i've identified the problem as there being not enough max cache, and googled it, just to find out i need to edit a /etc/apt/apt.conf which does not exist in my system... what should i do?
20:32<abrotman>!sid upgrade
20:32<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
20:32<abb4d0n>yeah but i really need gnash
20:32<abrotman>uhm .. gnash is in lenny
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20:33<abrotman>and available at for etch
20:33<Nemoder>if you need a newer version of gnash than is in testing just download the .deb and install it with dpkg
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20:33<abb4d0n>k thanks very much
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20:36<abb4d0n>but y can't i find gnash through synaptic if it's in lenny?
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20:37<Nemoder>make sure your sources are pointing to lenny and then update
20:37<abb4d0n>did it
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20:40<abrotman>!info gnash lenny
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20:40<dpkg>gnash: (free Flash movie player), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.3-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 326 kB, Installed size: 1076 kB
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20:43<Aleric>Does anyone know of an application that uses GTK+ (or gtkmm, even better) that actually draws something to a Pixbuf ?
20:43<ismael_>tengo un problema
20:44<Aleric>I've been looking for example for four hours and can't find anything :/
20:44<ismael_>si alguien por ahi me puede ayudar
20:44<ismael_>speak spanish
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20:45<gpl>I removed the menu bar on x-chat
20:45<gpl>how do I restore it?
20:45<gpl>I figured it out
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20:47<gpl>How do I add an address bar to my folders
20:47<gpl>where in configuration editor is it
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20:48<abrotman>you need to give us more info
20:48<abrotman>like .. at least the UI you're using
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20:52<gpl>GDM ?
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20:57<gpl>ctrl+L works
20:57<gpl>it's nautilus
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21:00<gpl>Always User browser works
21:01<gpl>exactly what I want
21:01<gpl>Why did they change it?
21:01<gpl>This is WAY better
21:02<gpl>Debian is WAY more stable than ubuntu
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21:11<gpl>how do I adjust the shortcuts in debian using the configuration editor
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21:15<gpl>I want to make ctrl+alt+del run system monitor
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21:19<gpl>n/m, I figured it out
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21:25<kp>whats the best way to kill a socket? I.E I run a server that hosts a shoutcast server, and there are times I would like to kill an individual connection...
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21:31<k0rn>can someone help me with a problem in PM
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21:34<abrotman>k0rn: ask here
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21:36<k0rn>i fixed it
21:36<infotron>!fix it
21:36*dpkg takes it to the vet for a "special" visit.
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22:01<Crinos>whats up
22:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 330] by debhelper
22:02<Crinos>dae pessoas
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22:27<Crinos>oi ninho
22:27<ninho>oi Caesar
22:27<ninho>oi Crinos
22:27<Crinos>here we just speak in english
22:28<Crinos>puta merda meu contato caiu
22:28<Crinos>tava tirando informações dele
22:28<ninho>q q tu já tá sugando ae
22:28<ninho>é tudo bot
22:28<Crinos>looking for some adventure
22:28<Crinos>nem tudo
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22:31<gpl>When i try to play a video with VLC it plays way too fast
22:32<gpl>I tried to slow it down but then the sound doesn't play
22:32<gpl>when I first play it, at first it plays at the right speed (for the first less than half second), then it play super fast
22:32<gpl>how do I fix this?
22:32<Crinos>hauhhea poem o cabo do but instalado no rabo do gato
22:33<Crinos>depois q o gato miar
22:33<Crinos>tu pega e infia no rabo do elefante
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22:34<Crinos>e dae
22:34<Crinos>tu pega o bagulho
22:34<Crinos>e limpa os ranhos com ele
22:34<gpl>basically, how do I slow it down such that the sound works?
22:34<Crinos>viu gpl
22:34<Crinos>mas tu não me entende diabo?:
22:34<Crinos>vo te q esplicar de novo
22:35<Crinos>o PatchLevel
22:35<Crinos>esplica pra ele
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22:35<Crinos>q se ele pega ocabo do hub
22:35<Crinos>e infiar no rabo do gato
22:35<Crinos>vai funcionar tudo
22:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:35<Crinos>n rabo do gatooooooooooo
22:35-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
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22:36<abrotman>Crinos: try a spanish channel .. this channel is english
22:36<abrotman>Crinos: #debian-es
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22:44<Crinos>oie :d
22:44-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
22:44<Crinos>me deram voz de novo :D
22:44<gpl>actually, it's not just with VLC
22:44<gpl>even with other video players, the sound plays too fast
22:44<gpl>and the video
22:45<gpl>It didn't do that with ubuntu
22:45<gpl>how do I fix it?
22:45<gpl>can someone help?
22:45<abrotman>try another movie
22:45<Crinos>gpl já te disse, pega o rabo do gato e poem na tomada
22:45<gpl>I don't speak spanish
22:45<abrotman>Crinos: seriously .. you're going to be banned again .. english or leave
22:45<PatchLevel>gpl: tryed another output device?
22:45<gpl>How do I try another output device?
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22:46<Crinos>i'm not afraid, i can survive with out air... oh my god.. i cant breaff
22:46<gpl>oh I think I figured it out
22:46<Crinos>i believe i can fly
22:46<PatchLevel>gpl: i'm not on linux now, so I can't help you 'cos i don't remember where to go... :/
22:46-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
22:46<gpl>It's still a bit fast though
22:46<Crinos>i believe i can toutch the sky
22:46-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by abrotman
22:46<gpl>now it's fast again
22:46-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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22:47<PatchLevel>gpl: I had problems with some outputs on ubuntu this week. the video simply didn't appear
22:47<gpl>actually debian seems much more stable than ubuntu
22:47<gpl>but now I'm having this audo/video problem where everything plays too fast
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22:48<PatchLevel>gpl: i gonna try debian... i'm curious about it :)
22:48<gpl>it starts at a normal speed
22:48<gpl>then it increases
22:48<gpl>and increases
22:48<PatchLevel>wow... crazy haeha
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22:49<gpl>how do I change output devices?
22:49<phillipsjk>I took ~ 40 years for them to synchronise stuff in the analog world....
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22:51<gpl>so does anyone have a clue?
22:51<gpl>This is weird
22:52<abrotman>did you try another movie yet?
22:52<gpl>well, yeah
22:52<gpl>of the same format
22:52<gpl>but not a different format
22:53<gpl>The video worked fine under ubuntu and windows though
22:53<phillipsjk>gpl:<abrotman> try another movie (I add) is it intentional on the part of the director?
22:53<gpl>I'm trying one now
22:53<gpl>I tried a different movie player
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22:53<gpl>with different movies of the same format
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22:54<gpl>hold up I'm gonna try a different movie format
22:54<PatchLevel>gpl: with another format u cant check if the problem is with the codec
22:54<infotron>my router can ping 2001:470:1f04:38b::1, and when stations attempt to ping it, the ping request comes back on the tunnel, but the router isn't forwarding it to the lan. What's causing that?
22:54<gpl>yeah, even with a differnet movie format, it's fast
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22:55*phillipsjk thinks clock drift
22:55<PatchLevel>i don't know about this things but... i think it may be the output... don't know...
22:55<gpl>I guess that person has the same problem
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22:57<phillipsjk>Are you using a win32 compiled codec?
22:58<gpl>I have no idea
22:58<gpl>I'm using whatever it comes with
22:58<phillipsjk>Maybe Microsoft stared using the differences in the timmer interrupt rate to cause problems /conspiracy
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22:58<gpl>well, it works in ubuntu
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23:00<gpl>ok, just tried -speed 1 but I noticed that it only changes the volume speed not the video. I'd like both video and sound to sync well simultaneously, like it should be. Any other options?
23:00<gpl>(on that website)
23:00<gpl>what does that mean?
23:00<gpl>(I copied and pasted that from that link)
23:00<gpl>how do you try -speed 1
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23:02<phillipsjk>Instead of using a menu to run the program you use a terminal window, and follow the command line with an '&' sign (to background the job)
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23:04<phillipsjk>from the link: "Holy Crap! I've become to attached to the command line that I forgot about the gui frontend installed! gmplayer works! no more speedy divx"
23:05<gpl>I read that
23:05<gpl>too bad I can't figure out what he did
23:05<gpl>I'm still reading through it and messing with it
23:05<phillipsjk>sounds like he just used gmplayer :)
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23:05<gpl>I tried vlc -speed 1 ocw-8.01-lec8.mp4
23:06<gpl>I tried vlc ocw-8.01-lec8.mp4 -speed 1
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23:06<gpl>can't find package
23:06<gpl>do I have to add all those repositories
23:06<gpl>will they work on my linux stable
23:07<gpl>Linux version 2.6.18-6-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2) ( (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Tue Aug 19 04:30:56 UTC 2008
23:08<gpl>I remember when I used to use sarge and etch was in beta
23:08<gpl>dang, that was a long time ago
23:08*phillipsjk is having a hard time following the conversation
23:08<infotron> it's over here. ;)
23:09<gpl>phillipsjk said sounds like he just used gmplayer :)
23:09<gpl>I already tried typing in apt-get install gmplayer
23:09<gpl>it can't find it
23:10<gpl>I was wondering if I should add the repositories mentioned on the site
23:10<gpl>will they work with the etch2 stable
23:11<phillipsjk>Well, if it's over there, I started with potato :) (the mpeg player I used did no syncronization)
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23:11<gpl>potato isn't found either
23:11<gpl>uhm.. maybe I should add more repositories
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23:12<dpkg>i guess potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at
23:12<phillipsjk>look like sarth was running 'testing'
23:13<gpl>I'm running the stable
23:13<gpl>I think
23:13<gpl>isn't etch2 stable?
23:13<gpl>I don't mess with testing much
23:14<phillipsjk>me neither.
23:14<gpl>unless you think that testing is better
23:14<gpl>but I guess I'm stuck with this problem
23:14<gpl>uhm... guess I'll have to take off debian then
23:14<gpl>dang, 64 bit operating systems still have issues
23:16<gpl>gmplayer won't play it
23:16<phillipsjk>Your idle threats won't work on me! :) (I find debian frustrating as well... I like the reliability. It is easier to reliably do nothing.)
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23:17<gpl>It's not a threat
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23:18<gpl>yeah, debian is stable
23:18<gpl>it's better than ubuntu
23:18<gpl>In fact, this seems to be the only problem so far
23:18<gpl>that I can't solve
23:19<gpl>This sux
23:19<blarson>If you like debian and instability, run sid. But it's not as unstable as many other linux distros.
23:19<gpl>I might go to sarge
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23:20<phillipsjk>I just don't get why shutting down the computer is not something normal users can do by default :/ ( the power cord is RIGHT THERE!)
23:20<phillipsjk>er can't
23:20<gpl>I think the 32 bit operating systems are way more stable at the moment
23:20<gpl>fewer bugs
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23:20<gpl>less problems
23:21<sam1314>DCC SEND HITLERISMYGOD 0 0 0
23:21<PatchLevel>gpl: i'm afraid of 64bit OS hehe
23:21<sam1314>damn I thought that would work
23:22<gpl>be afraid, be very afraid
23:22*phillipsjk heard about the errata's for the 64 bit chips. *shudder*
23:22<gpl>64 bit operating systems will take over the world
23:22<gpl>then 128 bits
23:22<gpl>then 256
23:22<gpl>and there will always be problems
23:23<gpl>by the time 16 bit operating systems didn't have problems, 32 bits came out and then we had problems. They were solved, 64 bits came out and more problems happened
23:23<phillipsjk>gpl 128bits is huge.... I once saw a joke that with just a few more bits IPv6 could address every particle in the universe.
23:23<PatchLevel>gpl: after the "lib hell" i had with 64bit OSs... i decided to give it a 2 years break
23:23<gpl>By the time they get sovled, 128 bits and more problems
23:24<De_Ghosty>lol 64 bit gonna take a while
23:24<sam1314>hello white power sieg heil I am a racist spammer
23:24<sam1314>and need help
23:24<sam1314>what do i type
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23:24<gpl>Maybe if I can slow the computer down or something
23:24<gpl>or if I can slow down the process
23:25<sam1314>DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0
23:25<PatchLevel>code some complicated algorithms and run with the video haeiouaeh
23:25<phillipsjk>sam1314: Why should we believe you? Or even pay attention for that matter?
23:25<PatchLevel>one O(n!) maybe... hehe
23:25<gpl>wow, if I lower the priority of the application, it helps a bit
23:25<gpl>but it's still using 0 percent of the processor
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23:26<gpl>and way too fast
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23:27<phillipsjk>gpl: do you have a multi-processor system? maybe the program assumes one CPU, but gets spread across more than one for some reason.
23:27<gpl>more than one core
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23:27<gpl>don't know how to fix it though
23:28<gpl>I'm messing with the system monitor
23:28<gpl>maybe I can slow it down
23:28<phillipsjk>To test my theory you would almost have to disable SMP.
23:28<gpl>but it's using 0 percent cpu, don't know how to slow it down anymore
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23:30<gpl>how do I turn off SMP
23:30<sam1314>DC SEND "hitlerIsTheGod" 0 0 0
23:30<sam1314>gpl: boot with nosmp
23:31<phillipsjk>It may be a boot option, or you may need to (temporarily) install a non-smp kernel
23:31<gpl>uhm... maybe the problem is the kernel
23:31<gpl>maybe if I changed it
23:31<phillipsjk>sam1314 may be correct.
23:32<gpl>is there another way to massively restrict the resources of a specific app
23:32<sam1314>I"m trying to crash peoples netgear routers with th edcc exploit. What am I doing wrong?
23:32<gpl>don't do that
23:32<gpl>that's mean
23:32<Hideo>!ops sam1314 is being an idiot
23:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hideo complains about: sam1314 is being an idiot
23:32<sam1314>I know but noone left and I did it here
23:33<phillipsjk>sam maybe everybody uses "freesco" like me :)
23:33<sam1314>unless oftc blocks it
23:33<gpl>maybe something I can install that would restrict the resources of an app
23:34<sam1314>ah that's how
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23:35<Hideo>wow, stop being a jackass sam1314
23:35<phillipsjk>gpl - do a kernel compile, or even better: recompile bloat like Open Office.
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23:35<Hideo>!ops sam1314 is DOSing people with the dcc exploit
23:35<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hideo complains about: sam1314 is DOSing people with the dcc exploit
23:35<gpl>I'm gonna install a differnet kernel
23:36<phillipsjk>no smb may be a boot option
23:36<gpl>uhm... let me figure out how to add it
23:37<phillipsjk>man grub ... I think.
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23:38<gpl>why did it say Reformatting grub(8), please wait...
23:38<gpl>when I clicked on ctrl+z to exit
23:38<gpl>I don't want it to format anything
23:39<gpl>uhm... it says /boot/grub/menu.list under man grub
23:39<gpl>but, it's not there
23:39<phillipsjk>the man pages are formatted for your terminal width. It is one of those "look at the info page" man pages anyway.
23:40<gpl>now I search for it and there is one under /var/lib/dpkg/info but I doubt it's the right one
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23:41<gpl>I'll restart and see if there is anything obvious
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23:44<MotoHoss>comments appreciated.. just a few changes from the other night... :
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23:48<dmoerner>MotoHoss, what made you decide on the complex explanation in #2? wouldn't it be easier to just use a sed substitution?
23:49<dmoerner>also in #3 you should make it clear that you just change the kopt line and then update-grub does the rest for you
23:50<dmoerner>it's sort of weird for that statement to be in #4, at least to my eye
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23:52<MotoHoss>dmoerner: #2 is because I don't know sed. I figured there are others like me who don't know sed either.
23:53<dmoerner>alright it just seems strange that manipulation with directories that are presumed to already exist and diff
23:53<MotoHoss>dmoerner: yep #3 should be changed.
23:53<dmoerner>is any less complicated than sed -i 's/\/dev\/hda1/LABEL=lenny/g' but that is cryptic as well i guess haha
23:54<MotoHoss>I understand sed. I just don't know it... well enough.
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23:55<MotoHoss>The article does need a lil spit and polish so I will fix #4 as well.
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