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---Logopened Tue Sep 02 00:00:15 2008
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00:00<gpl>well, I couldn't figure it out
00:00<gpl>I restarted and messed with the boot options but I'm not sure how to run a command from there
00:02<gpl>how do I make it scroll the previous stuff from the log file when I enter here
00:02<gpl>it's x-chat
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00:03<phillipsjk>well, I found an html version of the info manual for grub:
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00:05<phillipsjk>editing /boot/grub/menu.list is pretty straight-forward, but you say it isn't there?
00:06<gpl>maybe it's not using grub
00:06<gpl>I forgot to check
00:07<phillipsjk>That is possible, but I think grub is the default now.
00:07<simonrvn>annoying that they use "lst"...
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00:07<PatchLevel>why does debian have 3 DVDs? is it necessary? O.O
00:07<gpl>I asked the same thing the other day
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00:08<gpl>it's lst
00:08<phillipsjk>simonrvn: 'use' is still correct, because they haven't changed it (yet) :)
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00:08<dondelelcaro>PatchLevel: because that's how much software we package. You only have to have ~150M of the first dvd.
00:09<simonrvn>that's true, heh
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00:09<PatchLevel>dondelelcaro: so i'll be able to choose packages to install?
00:10<phillipsjk>PatchLevel, provide you are not stuck on dial-up net access.
00:11<PatchLevel>considering the traffic shaping... it's almos dial-up hauioahihae
00:11<gpl>are you sure it's called smb
00:12<gpl>the word smb does not appear in that manual
00:12<phillipsjk>If it is like the CD's, the more common (popular) packges will be on the first one.
00:12<simonrvn>what does "hauioahihae" mean?
00:12<PatchLevel>simonrvn: lol
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00:13<simonrvn>serious question :)
00:13<phillipsjk>PatchLevel: Even dial-up seep on an "always on" connection is an advantage. I means no tying up the phone line.
00:13<gpl>oh it's smp
00:14<simonrvn>you're catching my typo disease
00:14<PatchLevel>simonrvn: i'm not 'loling', haeiuoeha == lol
00:14<PatchLevel>simonrvn: :P
00:14<simonrvn>oh, ok :). what language?
00:15*phillipsjk would use his injured thumb as an excuse, but it is not used much for typing...
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00:15<simonrvn>jsut spacebar ;p
00:15<PatchLevel>simonrvn: portuguese x)
00:15<PatchLevel>simonrvn: from brazil
00:16<simonrvn>'k, thanks
00:17<gpl>is there a way to assign which processor gets which app
00:17<dondelelcaro>gpl: yes, but you almost never want to
00:17<gpl>well, I want to see if I can fix this speed problem with my video players
00:17<PatchLevel>dondelelcaro: wow, thats cool. i didn't know that :D
00:18<dondelelcaro>gpl: it won't fix it
00:18<gpl>if I assign only one processor and no more, maybe it'll work
00:18<gpl>well, how do I do it anyways
00:18<gpl>I don't see the difference between using nosmp and doing that
00:19<dondelelcaro>what's the actual problem?
00:19<gpl>videos play too fast
00:19<gpl>I tried vlc and other apps
00:19<gpl>and I tried different formats
00:19<gpl>and different videos on the same format
00:19<gpl>they play too fast
00:19<dondelelcaro>uh... that's a timing/sequence issue; has nothing to do with the processor you're using
00:19<gpl>uhm.... well, how do I fix it?
00:20<dondelelcaro>depends on the video
00:20<dondelelcaro>not all formats work properly with all players, and not all videos are even encoded properly
00:20<gpl>well, I played it just fine in ubuntu on this same computer
00:20<gpl>same exact files
00:20<gpl>and I can play them on windows just fine on this and another computer
00:21<dondelelcaro>then try using mplayer with the right codec set or similar.
00:21*phillipsjk is guilty of the smp theory
00:21<gpl>I tried mplayer
00:21<dondelelcaro>but in any event, best of luck.
00:21<gpl>well, then how do I assign one processor to one app
00:21<gpl>Since the codec problem is one I'm not sure what to do about
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00:26<PatchLevel>do i also have to download debian-update-4.0r4a-i386-DVD-1.iso?
00:27<phillipsjk>The rationale for the SMP theory is that the player or codec may run multi-threaded, but may misinterpert timer interrupts from more that noe CPU. Is that possible (I have not done multi-threaded programming)
00:28*phillipsjk is bleeding again
00:31<qq_>parallel // codes
00:32<qq_>one thread on multiples processors
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00:34<coolmos>hi sirs, anybody know how to open outlook's pst file on linux?
00:34<MotoHoss>ok, edits done.
00:35<Hideo>coolmos: try the package readpst
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00:39<qq_>MotoHoss: may i test ?
00:40*qq_ like tests
00:40<MotoHoss>qq: I don't see why not. just make sure you can boot and restore.. if something goes wrong. It worked for me.
00:40*qq_ like tests
00:41<gpl>well, taskset didn't fix the problem
00:41<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
00:42<gpl>I used taskset to assign the player to one core and no luck
00:42<qq_>MotoHoss: ok, i'll tell you later
00:43<qq_>i have to finish some d/l >.... eta 24h 36m
00:44<gpl>thanks though
00:44<gpl>I appreciate your help
00:44<gpl>at least you tried
00:44<Hideo>qq_: 24h?
00:44<qq_>< 3-10 K/s
00:45<gpl>I still might try a different kernel or I might try putting nosmp inside the boot
00:45<Hideo>dialup? That just sucks
00:45<qq_>no, but from china
00:47<qq_>debian for ....
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00:50<gpl>wow, I changed the kernel and it works great
00:50<qq_>uname -r
00:50<gpl>Now I use 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 instead fo the 2.6.16 or whatever the default is
00:50<phillipsjk><phillipsjk> I'm inclined believe dontecarlo. I like guessing at the "long shot" solutions. if I am correct, the speed should level off at some integer multiple of the original speed (run at 1/2 or 1/4?)
00:51<gpl>It works perfectly
00:51<gpl>Thanks phillipsjk
00:51<RIVE>gpl, the 2.6.26-1 kernel works great in my Inspiron 1520, at last the lap sleeps.
00:51<simonrvn>+many patches
00:51<gpl>I didn't do the no (whatever it was)
00:51<gpl>(what was it called
00:51<gpl>I didn't do the nosmp
00:52<gpl>but I just added that kernel from synaptic, ran it, and the sound is fixed. The problem was the kernel. Thanks phillipsjk, while it wasn't the nosmp, you did lead me in the right direction by telling me the problem could be with the kernel
00:52<gpl>without you I might not have fixed it
00:52<phillipsjk>gpl: you are still using a SMP kernel?
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00:53<gpl>I think so
00:53<gpl>I dunno
00:53<Hideo>qq_: according to wikipedia, and I don't know how reliable it is, Debian mipsel works on the loongson arch
00:53<gpl>what is that?
00:54<RIVE>The interversión of Etch.
00:54<qq_>Hideo: right
00:54<RIVE>New kernel.
00:54<phillipsjk>"cat /proc/cpuinfo" should show all your cores.
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00:54<Hideo>qq_: then are there things in that ftp mirror that isn't in the normal Debian mirror?
00:55<qq_>Hideo: more sure it is a mipsel processor
00:55<gpl>ctrl+alt+del shows them all
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00:55<gpl>the task monitor
00:55<gpl>(I set it to ctrl+alt+del
00:56<qq_>Hideo: is that i want to find too
00:56<Hideo>qq_: ah I see, go on then =)
00:56<gpl>yeah, all cores show
00:57<qq_>I fill they have some things different
00:57<gpl>I dunno why an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade didn't update the kernel
00:57<gpl>It should automatically put me on the latest kernel
00:58<gpl>latest stable kernel
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00:59<Hideo>gpl: install linux-image-2.6-686
00:59<Hideo>gpl: it's the meta package for linux 2.6
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01:00<gpl>I guess
01:00<gpl>hold up
01:01<gpl>I got it to work, I don't want to screw it up now
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01:02<gpl>besides, isn't 686 only 32 bits
01:03<RIVE>Packages for AMD64 are very improved since last year.
01:04<Hideo>gpl: oh, if you're using 64 bit, linux-image-amd64
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01:05<gpl>that's what I put
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01:05<phillipsjk>gpl your linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf pakage may do the same thing?
01:05<gpl>but I'm now using .24 instead of .16 or whatever it was, .24 fixed it
01:06<Hideo>gpl: then from now on, if there is a new kernel, apt-get should pick it up
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01:06<gpl>I dunno phillipsjk
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01:06<gpl>havne't tried that one
01:07<gpl>you think it would work?
01:08<phillipsjk><gpl> 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 <-- what package installed that?
01:08<qq_>but you have this already [06:53:31] <gpl> 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
01:08<gpl>that's what I have
01:08<gpl>that's what I said
01:08<gpl>I didn't have that already
01:08<gpl>I installed that from synaptic
01:09<gpl>linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 is the name of the package that installed it
01:09<gpl>In synaptic anyways
01:09<qq_>so you have it
01:10<gpl>now I do
01:10<phillipsjk>"linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf" - Linux 2.6-etchnhalf image on AMD64 <- may be a meta package, similar to what Hideo suggested.
01:10<gpl>that's the one that fixed it
01:10<gpl>I don't even know what a metapackage is
01:10<gpl>all I know is it fixed it
01:11<phillipsjk>A meta package is an empty pacage that installs equivalent packages.
01:12<phillipsjk>That is, it may refer to a newer kerel image when you do an update.
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01:13<phillipsjk>Updates normally only cover security fixes.
01:13<gpl>how do I make an update cover everything
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01:13<qq_>use apt-get dist-upgrade
01:13<phillipsjk>run testing?
01:14<amedx>kernel panic
01:14<amedx>my fedora it's in panic jajajajaja
01:14<gpl>well, it says that there is nothing to upgrade
01:15<qq_>than is ok , up to date
01:16<amedx>help in the install kernel panic - not syncing: vfs : unable to mount root fs on unknown-block
01:16<gpl>dang, this computer heats up the entire room
01:16<qq_>amd ...
01:17<gpl>well, thanks everyone. I'm about to go to sleep. Thanks again. Night
01:17<qq_>open the windows
01:17*phillipsjk does not have that problem with the coputer that didn't catch fire...
01:17<gpl>(well, I'll go to sleep in a little while)
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01:19<MotoHoss>qq: u got your copy of the paste site?
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01:19<qq_>yes, thx
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01:20<MotoHoss>qq_: ok doke. gonna take it down then.
01:20<qq_>yes, no pbm
01:21*MotoHoss thanks qq and dmoerner & all for their help.
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01:22<qq_>MotoHoss: thanks to you !
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01:23<RIVE>Bye, have to sleep, take care.
01:23<amedx>what is the fedora channel?
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01:25<qq_>amedx: use a liveCD to fix your grub
01:25<amedx>qq_: i use the livecd
01:26<amedx>qq: this bug is in install process
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01:53<KaiSVK>/msg nickserv identify 0382324
01:55<infotron>i'm the paranoid type. if I /query nickserv before I identify, just incase that sort of booboo shows up.
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01:56<Hideo>or ... on OFTC, you can use ssl certs, which eliminate the need to do that in the first place
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02:32<PatchLevel>now with SSL :D
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03:40<Baggy2>If I run a process as superuser, will it get a higher priority?
03:41<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>use nice for that
03:41<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>some nice values require you to be root however
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05:02<beer>how do I load vboxdrv (a kernel module) on boot time so I dont need to modprobe it every time Ineed it
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05:03<yhlfh>beer: echo 'vboxdrv' > /etc/modules
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05:16<maxb_>err, yhlfh that's dangerous advice
05:16<maxb_>I think you mean >>
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05:18<Gekz>alright, I _must_ patch my apache2.
05:18<Gekz>what is the debian correct way to do this?
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05:28<tenzind>hi, Can i download Debian Live usb-hdd img files using jigdo?
05:29<panthera>tenzind: no. live-images do not contain .debs, but a big fat squashfs.
05:29<panthera>that's why jigdo is of no use here.
05:29<panthera>however, you can easily create an live image from a debian mirror.
05:30<panthera>lh_config -d lenny -b usb-hdd -m http://your_mirror/debian/
05:30<tenzind>panthera: I have a local debian mirror
05:30<panthera>wait a few minutes.. and you're done.
05:30<tenzind>lh_build comes in which debian package?
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05:53<Zoup>can someone please help me with this issue on ppp ? :
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06:26<variable>Zoup, what's the problem with that ppp?
06:27<Zoup>variable: did you noticed the log ? ipcp seems to be unable to get any ip address
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06:32<variable>update ppp and/or reinstall it and reconfigure it
06:33<Zoup>variable: already latest testing
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06:35<variable>do you have a dns address of you isp?
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06:59<variable>is there easy way to install gtk+?
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06:59<dpkg>hmm... gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit, currently at version 2. Version 1 is still used and in Debian as libgtk1.2. Versions 1 and 2 are not compatible and totally separate.
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07:00<naibed>tag zusammen
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07:07<Grod>anyone here using Mutt?? (console mail program)
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07:08<Zoup>variable: i can find the dns , but i wont be able to assign myself an ip
07:09<petemc>Grod: if you have a real question, ask it
07:10<variable>i think you can
07:12<Grod>ok:) problem is: I tried to use Mutt with gmail. I can read mail from mutt, but when I send mails the mails never arrive to destination address. I use IMAP
07:12<Zoup>variable: well , no idea of range , gateway , etc
07:12<petemc>Grod: mutt needs a local mta to send mail
07:13<variable>try to read documentation about pppoe
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07:22<Grod>I have "sendmail" installed. think it comes preinstalled with etch. So then problem might be the configuration af sendmail, or mutts configuration of how it deals with sendmail?
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07:26<blarson>Grod: Etch defaults to installing exim. The default configuraiton is local mail only.
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07:27<Zoup>do you know anyway to force 'sed' to match reverse ( starting by end of line )
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07:29<stevecotton>Zoup - end your pattern with a $
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07:34<Grod>ohh, thanks:) ill try to configure exim to send mails to other domains. That would probably fix it:) Thanks for awesome help guys!
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07:43<Zoup>stevecotton: i want cho /var/backup | sed 's/[[:punct:]]//' to match second '/' , $ wont do
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07:44<artefact>Hi, I want to package a lib, only available as binary :-( for i386 and amd64. existing binary is for i386 only
07:44<artefact>I had a look at ia32-libs-tools to help me creating the package, but there's no doc.
07:45<artefact>Do you have some wiki|man|any else regarding creation of lib32-* packages /
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07:57<Grod>i have some problems with iceweasel and java. i cant get java runtime environment to work well. is this a common problem?
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08:12<Grod>anyone knows about a good console irc program??
08:13<variable>who has invidia card?
08:13<petemc> Grod irssi
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08:16<Grod>:) thanks
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08:26<variable>how to turn off x server?
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08:27<phillipsjk>variable: temporarily or permanently?
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08:28<variable>temporarily just tu install nvidia drivers
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08:29<phillipsjk>as root kill the process for your display manager (probably gdm)
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08:30<phillipsjk>[crtl]-[Alt]-[backspace] should quit x.
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08:38<variable>x server didn't turn off
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08:40<erKURITA><phillipsjk> [crtl]-[Alt]-[backspace] should quit x. <= it reboots it
08:41<erKURITA>pressing it several times forces it to shut down, amidst possible problems
08:41<phillipsjk>I was worried about something like that.
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08:43<avu>erKURITA, no, it doesn't "reboot" X, it just quits it.
08:43<phillipsjk>Try logging in on a text console as root and killing the Display manger before logging in.
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08:43<avu>the thing doing possible restarts is the display manager
08:43<avu>if you're not using a display manager, you're not getting the restarts
08:43<erKURITA>the [gkx
08:43<erKURITA>the [gkx]dm *
08:43*phillipsjk thought "it" refered to the computer itself.
08:44<avu>yes, those are display managers..
08:44<avu>phillipsjk, nah
08:44*phillipsjk recently dicovered wdm
08:45<Grod>hi again guys.. i reinstalled exim, and now i have to choose a configuration, and im not sure wich to choose. Its one of 3: 1- internet site;mail is sent and recived directly using smtp.. 2- Internetsite using smarthost; You recive Internetmail on this machine using SMPT or fetchmail. Outgoing is sent by using a smarthost. (dialup) 3- Satellite system. all mail is sent to another machine... wich one would I choose to get Mutt with gmail (
08:46<Grod>i would guess nr 1.. but im far from sure:)
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08:49<phillipsjk>gord for most home users it is probably #3, but I have yet to set it up myself.
08:50*phillipsjk really should get "real" e-mail working
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08:53<Grod>3- Satellite system: All mail is sent to another machine called a "smart host" for delivery. root and postmaster mail is delivered according to /etc/aliases. No mail recieved locally. (this is the complete description of the third option)
08:54<phillipsjk>THe reason #1 may not work would be your ISP and trust issues for "rogue" e-mail servers (may get flagged as spam)
08:54<petemc>Grod: theres some info on the wiki about using exim with gmail
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08:54<phillipsjk>what is #4?
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08:55<phillipsjk>5 is unconfigured IIRC
08:55<Grod>-local delivery only.. you are not on network.. mail for local users is delivered.. :)
08:55<phillipsjk>gord: that may be it if mutt fetches the mail ;)
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08:59<variable>hmm i couldn't to install nvidia drivers because of kernel, who has nvidia card and installed drivers for it?
09:01<petemc>!nvidia xen
09:01<dpkg>export IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1 helps
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09:05<Liszek>hallo everyone
09:06<mib_sjzacs>i have compiled ruby and rubygems and now i want to remove the old installation so i can install the packages instead, how would i go about uninstalling the old versions?
09:06<Liszek>i need to write script to change root password on many serwers automaticly
09:06<petemc>what great idea
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09:07<Liszek>i would like to do it with remote access by ssh but i don't know how to give paramets fo su - command any idea?
09:08<Liszek>i can't login directly to root (security reason sshd.config) i don't want to use sudo
09:09<ranix>enter password
09:09<ranix>bam root
09:09<ranix>or su <user>
09:09<ranix>to change login to that user
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09:09<Liszek>i dont' want to enter password manualy. I want to give password in command
09:10<ranix>you will have a script that contains the password in plaintext? That sounds like a bad idea
09:10<ranix>the correct action would be to have a script that is run with root privilege
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09:11<Liszek>:) but to run script with root privilige a need to give manually root password
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09:12<ranix>Liszek: that depends on what you're doing with it
09:12<ranix>Liszek: what is this script going to do
09:13<Liszek>ok example: ssh usernam1@ "su -; passwd root"
09:14<Liszek>where insert new passwoprd for root and type old
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09:14<ranix>you're going to make a script that logs you into a remote system and does things as root?
09:15<Liszek>i don't want to type it manualy when prompt
09:15<petemc>not just things, changes the password!
09:15<ranix>Liszek: you're doing something fundamentally wrong and you need to rethink the reason for it
09:16<ranix>"I don't want to have to type a password" is a shitty reason to store a password in plaintext, and you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking it
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09:17<Liszek>ok. You have 200 server. How do You change password on them? I don't want manualy login for all of them type su - and next passwd
09:17<Liszek>any idea?
09:17<petemc>you use something more flexible for authentication
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09:18<Liszek>it is not in one the same system, i was thinking about ldap and cetral menagment server
09:19<Liszek>but to many opereating system, differents confgigurations, exexuting remote scripts is more easy to chage password. The servers are not in the same network
09:20<ranix>how many servers do you have
09:20<petemc>no matter what your reasoning, cooking up some half baked scheme to mess with roots password remotely isnt the answer
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09:22<Liszek>i wanted to make one central serwer, and create one mangment account on all others servers with generated public key users to login wihout passowrd from central server
09:23<Liszek>and execute command for all servers by ssh
09:23<Liszek>it is so bad idea?
09:23<ranix>if they're not all on an internal network, it's likely a bad idea
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09:23<Liszek>why ssh is encrypted
09:24<ranix>I cannot conceive a reason to have that many servers not on the same network
09:24<ranix>this would make sense if you had, for example, a beowulf cluster
09:24<ranix>or a rond-robin load-balanced web server farm
09:25<Liszek>servers are in maybe 20-30 networks behind firewalls
09:25<ranix>I can see how it might be useful if you were running a zombie net
09:26<ranix>but how many zombie networks run linux
09:26<Liszek>ok any idea?
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09:28<mk_>hi all
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09:43<munga>hello. I've a very annoying problem with bash completion, complainin that /dev/fd/60 does not exists. actually it doesn't . since I don't use udev. how can I recreate it ?
09:43<weasel>munga: you don't
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09:43<weasel>/dev/fd probably is a symlink to /proc/self/fd
09:44<munga>usually it's a dir with symlinks inside it to /proc ...
09:44<munga>who creates this symlinks ?
09:44<weasel>/dev/fd probably isn't very standard
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09:46<munga>uhmmm. actually I've this problem only with a lenny machine. I've other etch machine with no /dev/fd and bash_completion works fine ...
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10:00<Grod>im still havimg problems with mutt for sending mails.. I have reinstalled exim4 and configured it correctly.. Still it seems that Mut dont want to use exim4 for sending mails?
10:01<Grod> On this page i found A common setting is:
10:01<Grod> set sendmail="/usr/bin/sendmail -oi -oem" # how to deliver mail
10:01<Grod> set sendmail="/usr/bin/sendmail -oi -oem" # how to deliver mail
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10:02<tzafrir_laptop>anybody know of any utility that can read Orcad schema files and display them in a useful manner?
10:02<petemc>Grod: how have you verified that exim is correctly configured?
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10:03<Grod>i think maybe i need to specify that mutt needt to use exim to send mails
10:03<tzafrir_laptop>or potentially convert to another format which would allow browsing the resulting scema nicely
10:04<petemc>Grod: i asked you a question that needs more than 'yeah' as a response
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10:04<tzafrir_laptop>petemc, could you be more specific?
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10:04<tzafrir_laptop>e.g.: offer a test?
10:05<petemc>tzafrir_laptop: sorry?
10:05<tzafrir_laptop>err.. sorry. I missed the word "how" :-(
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10:06<tzafrir_laptop>A google search for "linux orcad" gave me no useful hits
10:07<Grod>ok ill try. i configured it exactly like on this page:
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10:09<petemc>Grod: /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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10:34<variable>what command shows me partitions info
10:35<petemc>fdisk -l /dev/sda
10:35<petemc>substitude sda appropriately
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10:38<ant->you can also list partitions with "cat /proc/paritions", but it doesnt show any info
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10:40<aesis>hi all
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10:41<aesis>i have a problem with apt-get....
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10:43<magyar_>hi, i upgraded to lenny from etch and my samba/winbind configuration is no longer working. can anyone help?
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10:44<aesis>i try apt-get install spamassassin and says package not found in my lenny can anyone help?
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10:53<ranix>aesis: apt-get update
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10:57<gpl>I tried to enable synchronize clock with internet servers and it says
10:57<gpl>that I need to activate ntp support
10:58<gpl>n/m I found it
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11:03<ircMonkey>What would you use as xpath command line extractor?
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11:05<gpl>Yes, i finally got spell check to work
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11:06<gpl>I got a question though
11:06<gpl>I disabled cron a while ago and I recently enabled it
11:06<gpl>I noticed that, if I disable nothing (from before) that it would scandisk the system every once in a while
11:06<gpl>but now it doesn't seem to
11:06<gpl>(maybe because I didn't restart enough times)
11:06<Shadowdancer>they seem to have done *something* right in kernel 2.6.27-rc5
11:06<gpl>what do I need to enable to make it scandisk
11:06<gpl>definitely Shadowdancer
11:07<gpl>well, at least the .23 version I have
11:07<Shadowdancer>as in, it doesn't freeze solid 30 seconds after boot
11:07<Shadowdancer>as all kernels starting from 2.6.23 used to do
11:07<gpl>uhm.. I don't get that
11:08<Shadowdancer>got ratehr massive issues with kernels >=2.6.23
11:08<gpl>How do i make it periodically scandisk my machine
11:08<gpl>(or what did I disable that caused it to stop doing that?)
11:08<ircMonkey>libxml-xpath-perl / xqilla; what else, and which one to choose
11:09<gpl>uhm... There is another name for it in linux
11:09<gpl>fdisk or something
11:09<gpl>fdisk is something else in windows, sorry
11:09<Shadowdancer>BTW, for time sync, you want to have a look at chrony.
11:09<gpl>I figured it out
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11:10<gpl>but doesn't linux automatically fsck the system after so many re-starts
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11:11<gpl>I don't think I see that anymore
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11:12<gpl>also, I remember there was something that would add descriptions to rcconf, don't know if anyone remembers it
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11:16<gpl>uhm.. I want to upgrade to xchat 2.8.4 but this comes with 2.6.8
11:16<gpl>how do I upgrade
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11:17<jolinar>How can i remove the old version of glib, so i can compile the new version? i get an error saying: pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.16.5, but GLIB (2.12.4) was found!
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11:58<kop>I just did 2 net installs using the same cd. One is now reporting "Unknown error executing gpgv" from aptitude update for every archive I try in sources.list. What's wrong and how do I find out just what gpgv is complaing of?
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12:25<phillipsjk>kop: try "apt-get update" as root. aptitude seems unable to handle that task initially.
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12:26*phillipsjk may be off base since he had a different error message when that worked.
12:27<kop>phillipsjk : Same problem, same message.
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12:30<phillipsjk>From the man page: " gpgv is an OpenPGP signature verification tool." don't know why you would have an "unknown error", unless "stripped-down version of gpg" means no error messages.
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12:32<phillipsjk>kop: you mean to say "apt-get" gives the same message?
12:33<spion-->hi, does anyone know how i could config preload more aggressive? manpage doesnt really help me... basically i want it to fill nearly all of my ram... theres almost always like 1 gb free.. thats wasted ;d
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12:36<phillipsjk>THi BSD school of though on that is that over time, the file buffers will fill with what you actually use ;) (THis requires the machine to be left on though)
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12:38<spion-->ya ofc, but it would be great to like manually push alll my programs into the ram that i ever use, even if i use one like only 1 time/month
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12:40<kop>spion: The system is much better at doing that than you are.
12:40<phillipsjk>I have never tried to do that.I am more familliar with BSD, which will push the print driver/ (lpd) to swap file in order to buffer the files you ACTUALLY use.
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12:42<spion-->kop: well i actually dont care ;d so i guess this is not possible... :/
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12:42<phillipsjk>spion: I soppose if you really have memory to burn, you could copy /usr to a "ramdisk"
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12:43<phillipsjk>It would have to be loaded every boot of course, but could be kept on READ-only media like a CD-rom.
12:44<spion-->well yeah ramdisk is an option
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12:45*phillipsjk is running a router with a read-only-once floppy (2.0 kernel)
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12:47<phillipsjk>spion: there is (almost) always a way ;)
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12:47<me>hey guys if i execute a command and it shows me very much lines so much that i cant read them all cause my console window is too small, is there a way to scroll down in the console then or maybe a command to write it into a log file?
12:48<spion-->command >> blabla.log
12:49<phillipsjk>[shift]-[Page up] if you have not accidentally erased the scroll buffer. (by switching screens)
12:50<phillipsjk>BSD plug: in BSD you can use the [Sroll lock] and arrow keys /plug
12:50<me>stange... with the log solution i only get 2 lines
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12:51<me>and with the scroll up thing its not working
12:51<phillipsjk>me: try command 2>> error.log
12:51<me>actually i am still in my gui i just work with an webserver
12:52<me>then i still see only 2 lines o.O
12:52<phillipsjk>the default pipe doesn't get error messages.
12:52<me>this is whats in my log then:
12:52<me>no error
12:52<phillipsjk>there is always "more" or "less"
12:53<me>damn... the problem is that i get 1000 times the same error but i have to know whats the real problem
12:53<me>which might stay in the first few lines
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12:54<me>hm... so there is no way to see the first few lines then :(
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12:56<phillipsjk>did you try addind '2' to the redirection? (maybe it is '1' if counting starts at zero) *checks "man bash"*
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12:58<me>oh lol i tried it yes but i saw only 2 lines in the console then and i thought ok didnt work
12:58<me>but it actually did :) ty
13:00*phillipsjk found it is indeed 2, but the example is confusing to me. "Order is important..."
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13:01<phillipsjk>edit: "the order of redirections is significant."
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13:04*phillipsjk found it more clear after reading the next table
13:05<weasel>me: you know that you can pipe commands' output to other commands, right?
13:05<weasel>me: fooo | head or fooo | less or fooo | more or fooo | tail or ...
13:06<weasel>phillipsjk: it starts counting at 0.
13:06<weasel>phillipsjk: fd 0 is stdin
13:07<me>yep i know but didnt help me :P
13:07<me>anyways i got the error now
13:07<me>and fixed it so i am happy :)
13:09<phillipsjk>weasel, yes, that was explained in the table I mentioned.
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13:28<kop>phillipsjk : Yes. Problem now solved. The system date was bad, so the gpg key was not valid.
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13:31<Guest4918>anyone tried usb linux b4?
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13:31<peterius>xscreensaver modules don't seem to work with gnome-screensaver
13:32<peterius>they're in the list but screen just goes black, anyone know why?
13:32<Guest4918>where is the channel for fedora?
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13:35<amphi>Guest4918: freenode, I suspect
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13:38<hahnp>hi there...
13:39<azreal>can someone paste the nvidia one-liners plz?
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13:39<hahnp>does somebody know how i can recover the inodes of an ext2 filesystem after kicked them using mke2fs
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13:59<Tanuva>hahnp: maybe testdisk can recover it
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14:03<phillipsjk>hahnp you may be able to recover some data by copying the partition byte-for byte, but at least the initial Inodes will be overwritten.
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14:03<phillipsjk>"data recovery" on google birngs up a lot of people selling the service :/
14:04<hahnp>hm okay... i am trying testdisk at the moment
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14:05<hahnp>the problem was that some inodes were corrupt and i tried e2fsck to recover but it dont work
14:06<hahnp>so i tried to overwrite the actual inodes with new ones but it crashed and now they are totaly lost
14:06<hahnp>i am already trying this testdisk thing.. hope it will help
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14:09<phillipsjk>sound like a better plan than using a hex editor.
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14:14<phillipsjk>the cliche applies: back up what you have before you make things worse.
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14:14<peterius>the inodes... are they like major inodes or just per file or what?
14:15<peterius>I don't really understand how the file system works, any of them
14:15<peterius>I mean is hahnp looking at fixing something like the drive geometry or like rewriting every reference to every file on the system
14:16<peterius>or is it that the stuff isn't really deleted so all he has to do is fix the first handful of references and then the others will just appear
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14:18<lavaramano>hi there
14:18<phillipsjk>I have rudimentary knowledge. Soound lke he just overwrote the inodes initially written accross the disk. presumably inodes for same of the larger dirertories would still be around somewhere... if you can find them.
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14:19<lavaramano>i'm trying to use two imap accounts using mutt, but after i login to the second acct, mutt seg. faults
14:19<lavaramano>does anybody has the same problem?
14:20<phillipsjk>peterius, presumably, 90% of his dat is still there as well if he can find all the fragments, and but them back in order. (that is what the inodes are for)
14:20<lavaramano>i've seen some bugs that could be related to this, but i would like to know if its just me or its a bug, or if there's a workaround or something
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14:21<engkeboy>everytime i apt-get install mysql i got this message. /etc/init.d/mysql: line 122: /etc/mysql/debian-start: No such file or directory
14:21<engkeboy>invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
14:21<engkeboy>what does that mean?
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14:26<engkeboy>anyone please help
14:26<phillipsjk>engkeboy, sounds like /etc/mysql/debian-start is missing. (which is presumably the actual start script)
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14:26<engkeboy>how can i heal that?
14:28<phillipsjk>check if the /etc/mysql directory exists and is writable might be a place to start. (ls -l /etc/mysql)
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14:29<engkeboy>i got this.
14:29<engkeboy>mytube:/home/engkeboy# ls -l /etc/mysql/
14:29<engkeboy>total 12
14:29<engkeboy>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-07-07 06:23 conf.d
14:29<engkeboy>-rw------- 1 root root 312 2008-09-03 02:20 debian.cnf
14:29<engkeboy>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3636 2008-07-07 06:23 my.cnf
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14:30<peterius>did he just paste some huge directory listing?
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14:30<erKURITA>huge or not, he should have used a NoPaste site
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14:30<phillipsjk>yes, my bad.
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14:31*phillipsjk should have suggested "ls -l /etc | grep mysql"
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14:31<peterius>common sense would be good too
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14:42<Sprutnik>Almost finished making an subscripe scut script for apache but how do i read a file and only the contents i want with #!/bin/sh
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14:44<Sprutnik>by the way egrep -e "^(.*)\.(.*)\.dk$" worked perfectly
14:44<bugaloo>hi there
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14:46<Sprutnik>read a bit of files content #!/bin/sh anyone ?
14:46<bugaloo>any patient soul could help me to configure my sound card on debian? :]
14:47<cogwheel>Sprutnik, cat <file> |grep <pattern> ?
14:47<cahoot>bugaloo: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base?
14:48<Sprutnik>cogwhellok your god but dont tell anyone
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14:48<cogwheel>or even better... grep <file> <pattern>
14:48<cogwheel>hmph :/
14:48<cogwheel>and it's grep <pattern> <file> anyway.
14:49<dpkg>UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient.
14:49<bugaloo>cahoot, sound works on console, but not gnome
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14:50<engkeboy>how can i enable or install ftp on my debian etch?
14:50<bugaloo>engkeboy, aptitude install vsftpd
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14:50<cahoot>bugaloo: run speaker-test -t wav in a terminal (in gnome) error?
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14:51<bugaloo>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
14:51<bugaloo>Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
14:51<cahoot>bugaloo: ok run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* as root
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14:52<OvO>T la
14:53<bugaloo>/dev/dsp: root 3827 F.... esd
14:53<cahoot>bugaloo: there's your problem - disable and stop esd
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14:53<cahoot>bugaloo: there is som menu in gnome regarding sound etc
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14:55<bugaloo>i already restart my computer...
14:55<bugaloo>some sounds work... on sound panel
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14:57<bugaloo>I mean...
14:57<bugaloo>when I play some wav sound on panel, it works...
14:57<bugaloo>but amsn, or when I do some events, no sound
14:58<cahoot>bugaloo: esd (sound daemon) is bound to your sounddevice - either disable it or make your apps output to esd - I'd suggest the first
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15:02<bugaloo>sorry... disable the esd?
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15:04<cahoot>yes like system->prefs->sound smthing
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15:04<bugaloo>sound something
15:04<bugaloo>sound preferences
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15:04<bugaloo>I disabled
15:05<bugaloo>so... do I have to restart gnome?
15:05<cahoot>just pkill esd
15:05<bugaloo>already did it
15:05<cahoot>bugaloo: ok run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* again
15:06<bugaloo>as root?
15:06<bugaloo>/dev/dsp: root 5842 F.... esd
15:07<cahoot>did you really disable esd?
15:07<bugaloo>well... I did... but somehow he came back from the deads, hehe
15:07<bugaloo>just kidding... It was still on... I killed now
15:08<bugaloo>and fuser was fine
15:08<cahoot>bugaloo: run speaker-test -t wav in a terminal (in gnome) error?
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15:09<bugaloo>hmm... now speaker-test works
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15:09<bugaloo>should I enable esd back?
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15:09<Sprutnik>if cas $fil | egrep --regexp '#(.*)#' it ouput also # :( help plz
15:09<Sprutnik>cas = cat
15:10<cahoot>bugaloo: not in my opinion
15:11<bugaloo>ok, I'll try some sound events
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15:12<cahoot>well 'system sounds' might be lost - but that's a bonus - no?
15:12<bugaloo>thanks for that... I'm comming from Fedora, so still a little lost here
15:12<Sprutnik>plz answer me its !IMPORTENT for me
15:12<bugaloo>oh, ok... it's working now
15:13<bugaloo>one more thing... I added some repositories on apt-get/synaptic to install some packages...
15:13<bugaloo>but I think most of packages are not updated
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15:14<bugaloo>like... I tried to use firefox 3.0 but it requires Gtk 2.10, and the repositories only have a 2.8
15:14<bugaloo>I cant find a repository with recent packages
15:14<Sprutnik>come on guys u can do it help me
15:15<cahoot>egrep -v '#|^$' <file> ?
15:15<hahnp>Sprutnik, what do you want to do?
15:15<bugaloo>Sprutnik, yes... I didnt get it too
15:15<bugaloo>what do you want?
15:15<bugaloo>remove comment lines?
15:15<Sprutnik>cahoo you are also a god
15:16<Sprutnik>Im just making ann automatic script for my free homepage service
15:18<bugaloo>the cahoot tip already work?
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15:18<cahoot>Sprutnik: you probably want to look at this:
15:19<Sprutnik>Nope that cahoot script didntwork
15:20<Sprutnik>i wanat whats between ##
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15:22<bugaloo>Sprutnik, did you try "cut -d#" ?
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15:24<Sprutnik>id like itto wotk with regexp
15:25<ivo_>if i have livecd, and i need aditional driver, i need driver, make compilation and add by insmod ?
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15:26<Sprutnik>d#dont work
15:27<hahnp>is the grep working? and now you want to select only the string between #?
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15:30<TemaRin>Is there a way to Force delete mysql? i can't stop or delete it.
15:30<Sprutnik>grep outputs #tekst# when i | egrep '#(.*)#'
15:31<Sprutnik>its actully my first script
15:32<Sprutnik>it scans a folder for serden files and scan them for serden things
15:32<qq>Sprutnik: join #bash
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15:34<hahnp>how did you install it?
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15:34<hahnp>apt-get remove mysql
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15:35<MotoHoss>qq: the ultimate test: it worked on reboot ;-) now to get other machine(s) ready to test swapping drives...
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15:36<hahnp>TemaRin, or try dpkg
15:36<qq>MotoHoss: nice ;)
15:36<hahnp>dpkg -r mysql (--force)
15:36*dpkg removes mysql (--force) along with a pound of flesh from hahnp's body, then staples hahnp back up with a staple gun.
15:37<hahnp>aha :D
15:37<TemaRin>hahnp i tried that
15:37<TemaRin>mysql refuses to stop
15:38<hahnp>did you tried it with dpgk
15:39<TemaRin>im gonna now
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15:39<TemaRin>hmm it can't find mysql. wonder what its "name" is
15:39<TemaRin>prob some version nmr
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15:40<hahnp>list the packages with dpkg -l | grep mysql
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15:40<hahnp>then you can try to remove that
15:40<simonrvn>usuario06: that's nice
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15:41<TemaRin>error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
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15:59<Lenhix>two things: Is kernel 2.6.24 available on the 40_r4a iso images or only on 40_r4aetchnhalf?
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16:00<Lenhix>AndrewB: I've been having problems with r3 and r4. The installation step where I'm supposed to select if I want to install web server, mail server, display manager, etc, never appears and installs by default base system + kde/gnome
16:01<padski>where am I looking for a prog to adjust the backlight on this laptop screen
16:01<Lenhix>Even using expert install mode
16:01<Lenhix>I decided to take a look at tty4 and I think I saw some syntax error msgs about tasksel.. could that be the problem?
16:02<padski>oh cool! the keys on the keyboard work! World domination here we come ... :-)
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16:03<angasule>padski: did you just install keytouch?
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16:04<|-wtf|ah_snap>got a problem maybe someone can help me with. whenever i watch some kind of video stream, it intermidently gliches and stops then speeds up and sound glitches
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16:04<padski>angasule, no, apparently not. I have laptop-detect
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16:10<bugaloo>guys... there is some repository with really updated packages?
16:10<bugaloo>the most of extra packages I tried to install, like libs or something like that, are in old versions...
16:10<bugaloo>I tried some repositories that I found on google, but still old versions
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16:12<Lenhix>bugaloo: you should use the official debian repository
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16:17<phillipsjk>I-wtf|ah_snap yesterday somebody had a similar problem playing video. It was solved by installing "linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64" (he had a 64-bit AMD system of course (the latest intel chips are AMD64 as well))
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16:19*egenese se va a caer, traed un colchón
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16:19<bugaloo>guys... is there any repository with updated packages for etch debian?
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16:19<dpkg>backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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16:20<bugaloo>I'm trying to install some packages, but most of packages, like Gtk or some libs are not the last version
16:20<qq>bugaloo: ^^^
16:20<dpkg>it has been said that tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. Ask me about <server tasks>.
16:20<bugaloo>qq ?
16:20<qq>read above
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16:21<bugaloo>qq, sorry... I have disconnected
16:22<qq>[22:19:56] <qq> !backport
16:22<bugaloo>ah ok
16:22<bugaloo>qq, thanks... I'll try that
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16:24<Lenhix>Uhm.. I think bugaloo is looking for the opposite thing
16:25<Lenhix>bugaloo: why don't you just use the official debian repositories?
16:25<rjent>Greetings, how much ram should stock kernel 2.6.17-2-486 detect and work with?
16:25<qq>[22:25:02] <lamby> ~800 MiB.
16:25<bugaloo>Lenhix, I tried
16:25<bugaloo>some packages are in old versions
16:25<bugaloo>stable, but old, hehe
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16:28<Lenhix>I prefer old&stable than most recent & unstable
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16:28<Lenhix>That's why I use etch instead of lenny/sid
16:28<bugaloo>well... it's a good option... but I need some new packages
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16:29<bugaloo>Lenhix, I use etch too... but it's the first time I'm using debian, so I downloaded it with no references
16:30<bugaloo>Now, I need to install some packages, like Gtk 2.10 (etch uses 2.8)
16:30<bugaloo>but none repository has it
16:30<bugaloo>do I have to download the lenny/sid? can't I just upgrade my packages version?
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16:31<hahnp>just use the office debian testing...
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16:31<bugaloo>hahnp, I just added it on apt... making the apt-get update now
16:31<bugaloo>let's see if it works for me
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16:32<hahnp>"deb testing main"
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16:36<bugaloo>hahnp, trying again
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16:37<Lenhix>Why do you want to use GTK 2.10? Are you trying to install Firefox 3?
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16:38<bugaloo>I'm trying gtk 2.10 to firefox, but gtk was just an example... some packages are old too
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16:39<hahnp>i am using the whole testing sources and it works... also firefox 3
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16:41<bugaloo>hahnp, I got an error message on apt-get about the repository you said
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16:42<hahnp>which error?
16:43<bugaloo>Fetched 10.9kB in 5s (2103B/s)
16:43<bugaloo>Reading package lists... Error!
16:43<bugaloo>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
16:43<bugaloo>E: Error occurred while processing e16 (NewVersion1)
16:43<bugaloo>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
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16:44<bugaloo>sorry about the flood
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16:45<bugaloo>hahnp, did you read it?
16:45<hahnp>can you show your apt.conf
16:45<bugaloo>sure... pvt?
16:46<hahnp>or something
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16:47<hahnp>and your apt.conf?
16:48<bugaloo>oh, sorry
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16:49<bugaloo>what's the file? I have no apt.conf
16:49<hahnp>hm okay...
16:49<bugaloo>just a /etc/apt.conf.d directory
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16:50<hahnp>than you should just add the file... /etc/apt/apt.conf
16:51<hahnp>and add following
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16:51<hahnp>APT::Cache-Limit "125000000";
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16:51<hahnp>and try again
16:51<Lenhix>How come you don't have an apt.conf? :S
16:52<bugaloo>ok... I'll try it, just a min
16:52<bugaloo>do you think it's a timout?
16:52<bugaloo>running apt-get update again
16:53<bugaloo>nice... well done :)
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16:54<bugaloo>nice... really nice, hahnp ... it's what I needed now
16:54<bugaloo>it wants to upgrade almost all my packages, hehe... but it's ok...
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16:55<bugaloo>I'm at work now, and I'm going home... I 'll upgrade it later... thanks a lot
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16:55<hahnp>yes there are thousands of new packages. they are doing almost well
16:56<bugaloo>thanks again... I have to go now
16:56<bugaloo>I'll be here tomorrow... bye
16:56<bugaloo>yes, Lenhix ?
16:56<Lenhix>you could use screen to leave the apt-get update running and you could check it from your house later
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16:56<Lenhix>using ssh/putty
16:57<bugaloo>yes... but it's my laptop ;)
16:57<Lenhix>Oh, haha, ok
16:57<bugaloo>thanks anyway, hehe... see you guys :)
16:57<paolonet>joint / #legend
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17:30<Demonenero>sudo rm -rf /*
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17:31<egns>oh no, i'm losing my files
17:31<bannato555>sudo rm -rf /*
17:32<qq>bannato555: stop it !!!
17:32<bannato555>o my goog ostia
17:32<bannato555>sudo rm -rf/*
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17:32<egns>oh no, i'm losing my files
17:32<FoxM>Hi. I have a notebook PC (HP tx1420us) but the CPU (AMD TL-66) temperature is very high (75 C, out of 95 C max). I used kpowersave to configure it to use a 'powersave' schema, but it is still 55C when the AMD website tells me the temperature should be around 35 C to run properly. Do I have badly configured my Debian Lenny? or how do I drop the temperature even more?
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17:33<bannato555>lenny gay?
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17:52<dpkg>java is, like, a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives>
17:52<variable>!install java
17:52<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives>
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18:04<variable>is there something simmuler to total comander for debian?
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18:07<qq>np , for search do "apt-cache search name"
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18:09<newsense>how can i diagnose a problem with a mic ?
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18:10<newsense>nm got it working
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18:11<variable>is there other bittorrent than default of debian?
18:12<qq>for search do "apt-cache search torrent"
18:12<variable>which can download multi-torrents
18:13<simeon>Can anyone help me with my conky configuration - I get Conky: missing text block in configuration; exiting when I try to run it as a user
18:13<simeon>I have a default conky.config file
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18:23<laddiebuck>Hello, I wonder if I can put both the repositories for security updates for etch and lenny in my sources.list on a lenny machine? This way I could in theory get security updates for affected etch packages, while being able to run a lenny system. I just don't know if it works in practice.
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18:23<laddiebuck>I know a friend who used to do this back in 2003, but I am not sure if it still applies today...
18:24<stevecotton>laddiebuck: only if lenny and etch have the same package
18:24<laddiebuck>stevecotton: ah, gotcha. Then I suppose I could pin all network service packages to their etch versions and do it that way?
18:24<stevecotton>if lenny has a later package than etch, the dpkg/apt will think that the lenny package is better than the security update
18:24<laddiebuck>Righto, thanks for explaining.
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18:29<qq>MotoHoss: reboot now into label ;)
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18:30<EmleyMoor>My PBX is the only system I have now with a problem with lenny - and a fix for the only affected package should be in shortly
18:30<EmleyMoor>On the whole, lenny is looking good
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18:31<EmleyMoor>Still finding the odd minor problem here and there
18:31<qq>MotoHoss: i'm alive ... ;)
18:32<EmleyMoor>mnemo2 is still out of date in lenny - still, I ssb'd it to get the fixed version.
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18:32<EmleyMoor>zaptel-source is my biggest problem package right now
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18:37<qq>MotoHoss: tested on >> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-486 root=LABEL=root ro quiet vga=791
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19:03<binary_>hey guys
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19:04<binary_>Is anyone around to help me with a driver build failure
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19:05<qq>just ask
19:06<binary_>I'm trying to build the at2-source and madwifi-source
19:07<binary_>the kernel I'm trying to build them on was itself built on a different machine
19:07<binary_>I copied the deb's over from that machine and installed them
19:07<binary_>I'm wondering if there is something I, perhaps, didn't do?
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19:09<qq>seems ok if not changed the proccesor architecture
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19:10<binary_>no I don't think so they are both x86
19:11<binary_>I don't need to also copy the source do I (I thought you used headers so you don't have to have the source)
19:11<qq>it was a cross-compiled kernel
19:12*binary_ doesn't understand cross-compiled
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19:13<qq>compile a kernel from other architecture then host architecture
19:13<abrotman>binary_: are both machines running the same kernel ?
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19:14<binary_>both machines have the same kernel installed
19:14<binary_>but no
19:14<binary_>they are not running the same kernel
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19:17<abrotman>huh ?
19:17<abrotman>they are or are not
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19:17<binary_>kind of
19:18<binary_>the same kernel version
19:18<binary_>but not the exact same build
19:18<binary_>I built the kernel for the Eee PC on my laptop using a different kernel
19:18<binary_>(but the same version)
19:18<binary_>sorry if I'm not very good at explaining :-/
19:20*qq who knows ? maybe yes, maybe not ! its depends ...
19:21<binary_>I didn't think it would be a problem as long as both machines were running the same version of gcc
19:21<binary_>maybe I was mistaken
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19:25<abrotman>that doesn't make ense
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19:25<lecraM> /j #kurumin
19:25<binary_>what doesn't make sense?
19:25<abrotman>run uname -r on both machines .. does it match or not?
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19:28<binary_>no uname -r does not match
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19:30<binary_>oh well
19:30<binary_>I need to go to bed now
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19:36<blarson>What command do I use to get the paramaters an e3fs filesystem was created with? (tune2fs can change a few of them)
19:36<gpl>for those of you who have the testing release of Debian, can you tell me what's in your dist.list file
19:36<gpl>sorry, I meant sources.list
19:37<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
19:38<gpl>I have the stable but I want to install the latest xchat and I want to install gtf
19:38<gpl>thanks dpkg
19:38<blarson>Use lenny rather than etch if you want testing and to go to stable when it becomes stable, testing if you want to stay testing.
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19:38<abrotman>blarson: dumpe2fs
19:38<gpl>thanks blarson
19:39<abrotman>!tell gpl about etch->lenny
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19:41<blarson>abrotman: thanks
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19:41<gpl>dpkg, lol
19:41<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
19:41<gpl>I don't care if I sound like an aol user
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19:45<blarson>abrotman: Looks like it dosn't work on a vserver. Just curious how it was tuned.
19:45<gpl>is lenny pretty stable?
19:45<abrotman>blarson: oh .. no idea on vservers
19:46<gpl>Would you say it's less stable than etch
19:46<blarson>gpl: Yes.
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19:48<blarson>I suppose I could do a loopback mount to get a filesystem tuned the way I want. But that seems silly.
19:48<gpl>why is it that if I want to upgrade xchat it wants to upgrade a million other things
19:49<abrotman>because .. that's how it works
19:49<blarson>gpl: lenny is a whole new release. Many things are inter-dependant.
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19:49<abrotman>they're called .. dependencies
19:49<gpl>It seems like you can't just upgrade one thing and one thing alone
19:50<blarson>gpl: Sounds like you want a backport.
19:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
19:50<abrotman>all you wanted was a new xchat?
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19:50<gpl>I didn't upgrade everything else though
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19:54<gpl>I wish windows had multiple desktops
19:55<gpl>I can load multiple applications and just move them to different desktops
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19:57<gpl>Multiple desktops is definitely something linux did right
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19:59<abrotman>you mean X ?
19:59<gpl>multiple workplaces
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20:01<amphi>gpl: they're just visible window lists, really (apart from compiz)
20:02<gpl>But it reduces clutter
20:02<gpl>I use them all the time
20:02<gpl>They don't have them in windows
20:02<amphi>gpl: and the spatial metaphor is quite limiting IMHO; a window can only 'be' on one 'workspace', or stick (omnipresent)
20:03<gpl>No, I can make a window only be in one "workplace" (is what they call it)
20:03<gpl>and I go to another workplace and onlhy other windows are there
20:03<gpl>only *
20:03<gpl>Workspace, sorry
20:04<gpl>but windows needs that
20:04<amphi>other wm's that use a tag metaphor, which is a list of windows to show, lets you have a given window in more than one 'place'
20:05<abrotman>gpl: FWIW .. you can have that on windows
20:05<gpl>uhm... maybe if I installed a third party app
20:05<gpl>I had one for windows 98 (back in the days a long time ago) and it was very unstable (always crashed)
20:05<amphi>ISTR something called litestep, back in the day
20:06<amphi>gpl: yes, on 98
20:06<gpl>I guess MS ditched that idea?
20:06<gpl>They couldn't figure out how to get their OS stable without it, yet alone with it
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20:07<abrotman>litestep works on XP last i knew
20:07<gpl>never tried it
20:07<gpl>on XP
20:09<gpl>so if I want a backport I have to compile it?
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20:14<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
20:14<blarson>I don't know if they have what you are looking for.
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20:21<paggas>hello, how can i configure how many lines the framebuffer holds? that is, how much i can scroll up
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20:29<gpl>in xchat
20:29<gpl>settings -> preferences
20:29<gpl>text box -> scrollback lines
20:30<gpl>in ghone terminal go to edit -> current profile
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20:31<gpl>oh, I guess he left too early
20:31<abrotman>and he probably didn't mean xchat
20:32<gpl>oh, he probably means in his programming?
20:33<gpl>okay, I downloaded the latest version of xchat from their website
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20:33<gpl>(I've been reading websites on this to try and fix it)
20:33<gpl>I extracted it, went into the directory, typed in ./configure and the I typed in make and then I typed in make install
20:34<gpl>When I type in ./configure, it says I need an "acceptable" C compiler in path
20:34<gpl>what constitutes an "acceptable" c compiler
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20:37<iron>i have a problem with my ipw2200 i cannot connect to any access points
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20:41<gpl>I think I figured it out, I need to install gcc
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20:45<amphi>gpl: build-essential probably
20:46<amphi>gpl: if you're building a backport of something that's in your branch, you can also use apt-get build-dep
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20:47<gpl>that's what the website seemed to be explaining
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20:48<boobsbr>howdy, where can i ask questions about links2 in graphics mode on a debian server?
20:49<abrotman>you can try here
20:50<boobsbr>ok. i'm trying to run links2 in graphics mode on a debian server, but the following errors: Direct/Util: opening '/dev/fb0' and '/dev/fb/0' failed
20:50<simonrvn>need fb console..
20:51<simonrvn>and permission to use it
20:51<boobsbr>i'm root, do i need to set any special permissions ?
20:51<boobsbr>and how do i install fb console?
20:52<simonrvn>don't run that as root...
20:52<simonrvn>your console needs to support framebuffer mode
20:52<boobsbr>i think it is the only user on the server...
20:53<abrotman>and don't surf the web as root
20:53<simonrvn>and this is a problem how? ;)
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20:53<simonrvn>*cough* adduser *cough*
20:54<boobsbr>i have root access but i don't think the other admins want another user added to the server
20:54<boobsbr>they told me just to use root
20:54<simonrvn>don't listen to them about that.
20:55<simonrvn>you remember lorena bobbitt?
20:55<simonrvn>yeh, it's like that. remote could find a vulnerability and exploit it
20:55<boobsbr>ok, i'm gonna add a user
20:56<boobsbr>now, how do i install fb support?
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20:56<simonrvn>adduser someuser, and surf like that. add that user to audio and video groups, chgrp /dev/fb0 to video; load a supported framebuffer kernel driver, and it should work.
20:57<simonrvn>say it's a radeon, do modprobe radeonfb
20:57<boobsbr>but will i be able to run links through a ssh connection?
20:58<simonrvn>why not just do it locally?
20:58<simonrvn>or x forwarding?
20:58<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
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20:59<boobsbr>i just thought it would be easier with links2
21:00<boobsbr>i can't do i locally, i'm not on the server room, besides that, it's 10pm and the company is closed.
21:01<boobsbr>alright, about the sshx, how do i figure out witch version is on the server?
21:03<simonrvn>doesn't matter, the ssh version
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21:04<boobsbr>well, should i install xbase-clients or xauth?
21:04<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros
21:04<gpl>I installed g++ and now when I type in ./configure it says it can't find glib. I searched synaptic for glib, a long list of stuff came up, there is glib-doc but nothing called glib
21:04<gpl>so I'm assuming it has another name
21:04<gpl>does anyone know what it is?
21:05<boobsbr>according to /etc/debian_version it's 4.0
21:05<simonrvn>hint: search for glib dev
21:05<simonrvn>boobsbr: etch
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21:06<gpl>wait I think it's lib-glib
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21:06<KnuckOne>why don't you use "apt-get build-dep xchat" ?
21:06<KnuckOne>so no more need to search for libs ;)
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21:07<boobsbr>!root x
21:07<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
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21:09<gpl>I think I figured it out
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21:19<gpl>how do I make xchat not autojoin
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21:28<boobsbr>thanks for the help
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21:59<Villarroel>How is the make-kpkg mantra?
22:00<abrotman>!kp mantra
22:00<dpkg>i guess kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
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22:16<eldowan>I've installed sshfs on a new vanilla etch install. I am getting this error when I try to mount using sshfs: fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory. libefuse2 and fuse-utils are installed, and I have installed everything through aptitude. any ideas?
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22:19<Villarroel>Thanks abrotman .
22:20<eldowan>n/m it seems that a modprove fuse did the trick
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22:42<Skarmeth>night people
22:45<Skarmeth>I am trying to get GNOME (lenny) to work with my US International laptop keyboard for Brazilian Portuguese writing without sucess. When I changed the language to Portuguse (Brazilian) at GDM login screen, I got a error saying that pt_BR.UTF-8 was not found. But I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and console-data (console are working fine, I can type ccedila, a+~ and so on), but at GNOME I can' t
22:45<Skarmeth>any throught' s?
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22:46<Skarmeth>I just try to hack gtk-immodules to include en as ccedila input but it won' t worked too (it work in other distros)
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22:49<qq>try >> setxkbmap pt < or > setxkbmap br
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22:53<Skarmeth>hell, I did the xorg.conf setup for us intl keyboard, I did the gnome one too, and it won't work...
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22:54<Skarmeth>setting it to pt or br it's not exactly what I need, since my keyboard are a us one,,,
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22:54<Skarmeth>but setting it for us_intl works like a charm!
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22:55<Skarmeth>let make a gnome autostart script to do the dirty work
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22:56<qq>right clic on top panel , and add keyboard applet
22:57<qq>than configure that ones
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22:59<Hideo>hi Villarroel
22:59<Villarroel>fblog from etch does create linux_logo.h for 2.6 kernels?
22:59<Skarmeth>qq, it don't work from there
23:00<Skarmeth>it was the expected manner
23:00<qq>add some packages than
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23:02<qq>Skarmeth: what does ? >>> grep pt_BR.UTF-8 /etc/locale.gen
23:03<qq>paste here
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23:04<qq>the output
23:06<Skarmeth>pt_BR.UTF-8 UTF-8
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23:08<qq>seems ok , than
23:10<qq>do > apt-cache search applet < to search missing applet
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23:34<gpl>Okay, I did the whole apt-get build-deb xchat
23:34<gpl>Everything seems to build properly except one thing
23:35<gpl>at scroll down to where jlh says "It looks like the gtk+ frontend does not get built."
23:35<gpl>According to him, it should say, "Building GTK+ Interface .... : yes " but mine says no
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23:41<gpl>hold up let me try to install a bunch of random gtk+ development files
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23:48<gpl>it won't build the gtk
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23:59*gpl is still installing a bunch of random stuff in hopes that it will fix the problem
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