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---Logopened Wed Sep 03 00:00:20 2008
00:01<qq>what problem ? i forget
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00:01<qq>i forgot * it
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00:13<gpl>it still says, "Building GTK+ Interface .... : no"
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00:15<snogglethorpe>gpl: look at the autoconf output
00:15<snogglethorpe>gpl: there's probably some library it wants and didn't find
00:15<snogglethorpe>so look for "...: no"
00:15<snogglethorpe>in the library checks
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00:16<gpl>how do I look at the autoconf output
00:16<gpl>kedit autoconf ?
00:17<gpl>oh, config.log
00:18<snogglethorpe>gpl: it should output it to stdout...
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00:21<gpl> is the output
00:21<gpl>thanks btw
00:22<snogglethorpe>gpl: it looks like you don't have gtk installed
00:22<snogglethorpe>gpl: are you on debian or something?
00:22<gpl>but I do
00:22<gpl>debian etch
00:22<snogglethorpe>you need to isntall the proper -dev packages, not just the runtiem packages
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00:22<gpl>I installed every gtk library I can think of
00:22<snogglethorpe>gpl: did you install the -dev library packages?
00:22<gpl>i tried installing a bunch of random -dev packages
00:23<gpl>Not sure
00:23<gpl>if I did the right ones
00:23<dmoerner>those are the ones that count
00:23<snogglethorpe>gpl: config.log should show you more degtail about what it didn't fine
00:24<gpl>I was scrolling through that
00:24<gpl>uhm... well, what gtk dev files should I install
00:24<gpl>How do I find gtk-dev files specifically
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00:24<gpl>I tried searching for gtk dev in synaptic and installing a bunch of stuff that came up
00:25<snogglethorpe>gpl: well at least you need libgtk2.0-dev obviously
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00:26<gpl>I have that one
00:26<gpl>let me try installing more
00:26<snogglethorpe>hard to say more without seeing config.log
00:28<gpl>well I'm going to install almost everything that shows up under libgtk
00:28<gpl>figure might as well
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00:33<foxes> gpl
00:33<gpl>I think the version of gtk is too old
00:33<snogglethorpe>gpl: sounds like it
00:33<snogglethorpe>gpl: what version of libgtk2.0-dev do you have isntalled?
00:33<gpl>that's what the config file seems to be saying
00:34<snogglethorpe>well it's a little ahrd to say
00:34<snogglethorpe>gpl: wow that is old
00:34<gpl>that's what comes with stable
00:34<gpl>that's what etch comes with
00:35<gpl>maybe I should just put the lenny repositories and install xchat from apt-get install xchat
00:35<gpl>and let it upgrade whatever it needs to
00:35<snogglethorpe>gpl: in general it seems like a good idea to run at least "testing"
00:36<snogglethorpe>gpl: unless it's a central server machine or something where extreme conservatism is called for
00:36<gpl>I will upgrade to testing
00:36<gpl>so should I replace etch or stable with testing
00:36<snogglethorpe>welcome :-)
00:36<gpl>under sources.list
00:37<snogglethorpe>gpl: yeah
00:37<snogglethorpe>gpl: you can actually have both simultaneously if you want
00:37<gpl>maybe that's what I'll do then
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00:38<snogglethorpe>then you can install wahtever you want from testing, and expect the dependencies to only upgrade what's necessary
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00:39<gpl>sorry, do I replace main with testing
00:39<gpl>or contrib
00:39<gpl>I think contrib
00:40<gpl>Or I just add testing to it
00:40<gpl>I think I'll do that
00:41<Tom__>aren't there additional instructions required for mixed distribution sources.list files?
00:41<Tom__>like a pin in /etc/apt/apt_preferences or something...
00:41<snogglethorpe>gpl: no, contrib is something else
00:41<snogglethorpe>it's orthogonal to testing vs. stable (etc)
00:42<snogglethorpe>Tom__: you can just add everything and it will work fine
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00:43<snogglethorpe>Tom__: tho if you want to not have it default to eh latest version available, you gotta pin i guess
00:43<Tom__>that's what I was thinking
00:44<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider reading the APT HOWTO, as this exposes to unstable packages. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
00:45<gpl>it seems like the stable version has very old software on it
00:46<snogglethorpe>gpl: yes
00:46<snogglethorpe>gpl: i don't think there's much reason to use stable for most people
00:46*Tom__ looks up from Debian sarge
00:47<Tom__>well, sometimes people like older software :-)
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00:51<gpl>uhm... for some reason it says that it can't find it in synaptic
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00:53<gpl>hold up, I might have messed something up
00:53<gpl>n/m I fixed it
00:53<gpl>(it's late, I keep making silly mistakes
00:56<gpl>It seems like I am unable to run both etch and main at the same time
00:57<gpl>I can't have them both at the same time, they somehow conflict
00:57<gpl>(or rather, etch and testing)
00:57<Tom__>Want to paste your sources.list to #flood?
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00:57<Tom__>as soon as I figure out how to get there
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00:58<Tom__>well anyway it's kindof tricky and maybe you shouldn't attempt it if you're in the same time zone I am
01:00<gpl>I'm in #flood
01:00<gpl>like I said, if I comment out either of them, it works fine
01:00<gpl>but when both are in, it doesn't work
01:00<Tom__>It says #flood is invite only for me
01:00<Tom__>I have no idea why that might be
01:00<gpl>I dunno
01:00<gpl>hold up
01:00<gpl>it's #flood?
01:01<gpl>You had a question mark when you said it
01:01<Tom__>that's what the topic says. I just kindof assumed it was accurate
01:01<gpl>it's flood with a question mark
01:01<Tom__>okay, let's do it in #flood?
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01:02<Tom__>okay, your sources.list file looks fine to me
01:03<Tom__>you are using synaptic? did you follow the synaptic-specific instructions that dpkg gave?
01:03<gpl>synaptic specific instructions?
01:04<Tom__>okay, did you follow any of the instructions dpkg gave a little bit above, when someone said "!tum"?
01:05<gpl>let me try that
01:05<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider reading the APT HOWTO, as this exposes to unstable packages. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
01:05<gpl>I don't want testing to be the default release though
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01:06<Tom__>oh, right. just use "etch" instead of "testing" and "testing" instead of "sid"
01:08<gpl>what is foo
01:08<gpl>foo is just any application
01:08<Tom__>foo is a word used in place of any other word
01:08<Tom__>in place of something
01:10<gpl>lets join #flood? again
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01:11<chealer>gpl: these are instructions for testing/unstable mixes. the instructions for stable/testing mixes would be similar, but at this time stable/testing mixes must be rare. The large difference must make mixing difficult, when possible. my trigger didn't mean I agree you want to mix.
01:12<Tom__>he says he's getting "dynamic mmap ran out of room" for apt-get update
01:12<Tom__>which he is
01:12<Tom__>which I thought was fixed since woody
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01:13<Tom__>I don't think we should be doing this anyway
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01:14<gpl>maybe I should just upgrade the kernel?
01:15<gpl>or just switch over to testing
01:15<Tom__>I wasn't here when you originally described the problem
01:15<gpl>and ditch stable
01:15<Tom__>what is it?
01:15<gpl>I want to update xchat to 2.8.6
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01:15<gpl>turns out, I can't because the gtk package on this is too old
01:16<Tom__>xchat won't compile?
01:16<gpl>it did
01:16<gpl>but not the gtk
01:16<gpl>and it turns out to be too old
01:16<gpl>when we went through the logs
01:17<gpl>that's what it seems to be
01:17<gpl>an ancient gtk+ version
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01:17<Tom__>it's not that ancient
01:17<gpl>that's what they said when I posted the ... logs or whatever
01:17<Liszek>aby idea how to manage more than 100 servers in differents network?
01:18<Liszek>I need to add / remove account change passwords delete accounts
01:18<Liszek>change root password too.
01:18<Tom__>gpl: so how did gtk's version come up?
01:18<gpl>well I think I'm just going to put testing on there
01:18<gpl>want me to send you my xchat log
01:18<Tom__>I don't advise that actually, but opinions differ
01:18<gpl>hold up
01:18<Liszek>i dont' want to use ldap or nis
01:18<Tom__>go ahead
01:18<gpl>let me just tell you
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01:19<Liszek>i was thinking about scripts runing by ssh
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01:22<Tom__>You can a) build a private copy of GTK 2.10 or later, or b) run a hybrid stable/testing system, or c) run testing, or d) use some other distribution :-)
01:22<gpl>I think we ruled out the hybrid stable/testing system
01:22<gpl>because when i tried that, I got that error
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01:24<gpl>I was thinking of building my own gtk
01:24<gpl>but I figure, it's not worth it
01:24<gpl>just upgrade to testing
01:25<Tom__>well, I don't know what to advise
01:25<gpl>I'll try testing
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01:27<Tom__>well I have a stopgap idea
01:28<Tom__>comment out etch, install xchat, then uncomment etch and comment out testing
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01:28<gpl>thanks tom and everyone else for being so awsome
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01:29<gpl>if I install xchat with testing, it installs and upgrades and changes a gang of other stuff
01:29<gpl>It's practically an upgrade
01:29<gpl>just for that one app
01:30<Tom__>that's Debian's strict dependencies for you
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01:33<dondelelcaro>gpl: if you only want to upgrade one thing, and you're running stable, use a backport.
01:34<dondelelcaro>gpl: otherwise, you're going to end up running testing instead, and you might as well just use testing.
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01:37<gpl>that's what I think I'm going to do
01:37<gpl>just use testing
01:37<gpl>snogglethorpe seems to think testing is fine
01:38<snogglethorpe>testing is fine
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01:41*gpl 's computer crashes after upgrade
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01:51<PatchLevel>does somebody already tested Google Chrome on linux? hehe
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01:52<eightyeight>PatchLevel: nope. can't get it installed in wine and when compiling from source, it doesn't do anything useful
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01:56<PatchLevel>eightyeight: have u used it?
01:57<eightyeight>not yet
01:57<PatchLevel>eightyeight: i'm using now... it's "light"... takes about 40MB against 120+MB from firefox
01:59*Tom__ coughs
01:59<Tom__>I have Dillo using 4.4MiB now
02:00<PatchLevel>eightyeight: also sometimes ir freezes for a while...
02:00<PatchLevel>Tom__: don't know this one :)
02:00<eightyeight>i'm in no rush to use it. looks and sounds cool, but right now, i'm happy
02:00<Tom__>Well, it's an "in development" lightweight Web browser, written in C and GTK for X
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02:02<PatchLevel>eightyeight: yeah, it's not something i would use as my main browser... but i liked it's low use of ram...
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02:02<Tom__>I can't understand how browsers use so much RAM... is it the CSS?
02:03<PatchLevel>21MB now...
02:03<Tom__>Even when I turn off Javascript Firefox still uses a tonne of RAM
02:03<PatchLevel>Tom__: no idea... maybe they load a lot of objects for eatch HTML element...
02:04<PatchLevel>Tom__: firefox has an abusive ram consumption...
02:04<PatchLevel>Tom__: and i don't know how they made FF3 worse than FF2 lol
02:05<gpl>well, I'm going to close xchat for now for the installation of the new one
02:05<gpl>thanks everyone
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02:05<PatchLevel>my FF3 is using 172MB righ now...
02:06<PatchLevel>and there is nothing heavy like flash videos or whatever...
02:06<Tom__>I used to use the Internets on a machine with 6 MiB of RAM
02:06<Tom__>I think they were 486 DX 1s or maybe even 386s in 1995, running Windows 3.1 and Netscape 1.1N
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02:07<Tom__>Netscape "Communicator" was more bloated than Netscape Navigator 3.x, but Firefox wasn't much better
02:07<Tom__>I'd use Netscape 3 if it was open sores
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02:08<Tom__>those were the bad old days :-)
02:08<PatchLevel>i had an 386 when child... have no idea about its config... i just know that after a mobo damage it became a 586 o_Ô
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02:11<PatchLevel>Tom__: oh! another reason for using a lot of ram: firefox lets you restore tabs... so it shall keep some closed tabs in memory... don't know...
02:12<Tom__>I think it's the whole thing... including the XUL bit
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02:16<dondelelcaro>the more ram the better; you can almost never have too much ram
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02:40<PatchLevel>20min to finish debian DVD1 (last one downloading) \o/
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03:05<PatchLevel>hi :)
03:05<PatchLevel>debian downloaded! i see a long night tomorrow :P
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03:21<simonrvn>*chirp* *chirp* ... *chirp* *chirp*
03:21<henkmetselaar>hello simonrvn
03:22<henkmetselaar>I was wondering whether it's a good idea to install kernel 2.6.26 (I have etch now)
03:22<simonrvn>sure. it's recommended to have 2.6
03:23<henkmetselaar>just ketchup 2.6?
03:23<simonrvn>i'd use debian source, those patches are nice ;).
03:23<simonrvn>ketchup? sure, but be careful if you need something stable.
03:23<henkmetselaar>it gives an error though
03:24<henkmetselaar>can't find kernel version for non-empty directory
03:24<henkmetselaar>I'm at work and want something stable
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03:24<simonrvn>did you set it up? it won't run well without basic configuration.
03:24<simonrvn>ketchup i mean
03:25<henkmetselaar>I did ketchup --help, but I didn't see an obvious way to set it up, sorry
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03:25<henkmetselaar>does it use the command kernelversion? Cause that one isn't recognized either
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03:26<simonrvn>~/.ketchuprc default_tree = '2.6'
03:27<maxb_>If you're at work and want something stable, what's wrong with Debian's prepackaged kernels/
03:27<maxb_>* ?
03:27<simonrvn>directory = '/some/dir'\narchive = '/some/dir/to/store/ketchup/downloaded/kernelstuff'
03:27<henkmetselaar>nothing wrong with them
03:27<henkmetselaar>I thought ketchup was just a utility to fetch them
03:27<simonrvn>it's not
03:28<simonrvn>it fetches vanilla kernel tarballs
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03:28<henkmetselaar>better use apt then?
03:29<simonrvn>of course
03:29<henkmetselaar>2.6.18-6-686 ---> 2.26.24-6-686. It will choose all the dependencies?
03:29<simonrvn>apt-cache show ketchup *cough*
03:30<parecen>ketchup says: MOO
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03:34<riham>hi all, have a question about how to terminate connections in FIN_WAIT1 state ?
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03:36<simonrvn>they should just terminate by themselves
03:36<riham>is there a way to reduce the time taken before they terminate ?
03:38<simonrvn>you know there's various states, right?
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03:38<riham>yeah ... I can reduce the fin_timeout if I am in FIN_WAIT2 ..
03:39<riham>the problem is how to reduce the time out for FIN_WAIT1
03:39<parecen>riham: are you familiar with the ndd command already? cause i am not really...
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03:43<riham>parecen, not really I googled it & found it is for solaris , I am most familiar with debian
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03:44<parecen>uhm, oops
03:45<parecen>hm. maybe you can use /sbin/iptables to change the TTL
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03:45<parecen>-j TTL --ttl-set xxx
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04:10<henkmetselaar>hi, me again
04:10<henkmetselaar>the windows partition on my disk will sometimes mount and sometimes won't
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04:18<henkmetselaar>Is this a known problem trying to mount a windows partition:
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04:19<henkmetselaar>applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application
04:20<henkmetselaar>libhal-storage.c 1401 :info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set
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04:22<parecen>henkmetselaar: check yourself
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04:26<riham> hi all, have a question about how to minimize timeout for connections in FIN_WAIT1 state ?
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04:31<henkmetselaar>parecen: seems to be a mising /etc/fstab entry, I'll look further tomorrow. Thanks so far
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05:07<Shadowdancer>artefact: weren't you the one having issues with random freezes on more recent kernels?
05:07<artefact>Excatly, and I was just trying to recontact you :-)
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05:08<artefact>Shadowdancer: ^
05:08<Shadowdancer>try 2.6.27-rc5
05:08<artefact>You got it working ?
05:08<Shadowdancer>I had that run overnight, which never happened before
05:09<Shadowdancer>up to -rc4, I had the freezes, but they changed a lot on that codepath
05:09<Shadowdancer>so if you get around to it, you might want to try
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05:10<artefact>And you just know that this version is ok, but don't know why, isn't it ?
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05:11<artefact>... which is already a good thing, of course ;-)
05:11<Shadowdancer>I'm not quite sure yet, sadly. All I know is that it's running for a bit over 20 hours now with a configuration that would freeze in under an hour on <=-rc4
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05:12<Shadowdancer>including the Radeon DRM, the new 802.11 stack, suspend to RAM works...
05:12<Shadowdancer>so as I said, if you can find the time, you might want to give it a try :-)
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05:12<artefact>These last days, my machine ran the whole day and in the morning, was freezed
05:13<artefact>I'm downloading it
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05:15<Zoup>Im trying to rescue an XFS machine with debian installer rescue mode , fsck.xfs seems missing , any idea ?
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05:15<Shadowdancer>Knoppix ;-)
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05:16<Zoup>Shadowdancer: or maybe submiting a bug ? :)
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05:16<Shadowdancer>or maybe that, yes
05:16<Shadowdancer>add in ZFS tools as well when you're filing one anyway
05:18<Zoup>Shadowdancer: hum, sure!
05:18<Shadowdancer>last time I needed a rescue disc, I used the KDE 4.0 beta live :-/
05:20<Zoup>Shadowdancer: damn!
05:21<Shadowdancer>indeed... nothing else had a recent enough kernel
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05:54<Shadowdancer>they are definitely still fighting with the issue;a=commit;h=9d3593574702ae1899e23a1535da1ac71f928042
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06:53<dpkg>one warez list being sent to zoup
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06:57<dpkg>one warez list being sent to ranix
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07:03<Shadowdancer>what the hell...
07:03<dpkg>one warez list being sent to shadowdancer
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07:10<artefact>Shadowdancer: I
07:11<artefact>-Shadowdancer: currently running with a 2.6.27-rc5
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07:11<Shadowdancer>I'm currently stresstesting by doing a kernel build in an endless loop
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07:11<Shadowdancer>so far it really looks like .27 might do some good
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07:12<Shadowdancer>it definitely breaks proprietary nvidia drivers again :-)
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07:41<dpkg>kiss is, like, Keep It Simple Stupid!!!
07:41<MadHag>anyone running kiss on etch
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08:04<MadHag>lol, I just installed kiss :) I take it its not the firewall then :)
08:04<MadHag>it's a shell interpreter
08:05*MadHag needs some rest
08:06<MadHag>can anyone tell me if there is a basic firewall with a std install of etch?
08:06<petemc>iptables works
08:07<petemc>you need to set the rules up yourself, or install a front end to help you
08:07<MadHag>thanks, I am probably ok but its just nice to know
08:07<MadHag>can you recomend a front end, I have been thinking of something called kiss
08:08<MadHag>just apt-get installed kiss but not what I thought :)
08:08<petemc>i use my own script, shorewall is popular tho
08:09<Shadowdancer>I still use the save/restore init script that was kicked out of the packages a long time ago :-(
08:09<Shadowdancer>quite a good solution actually
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08:12<MadHag>I am just looking for a simple config and easy to setup for now
08:12<MadHag>I can fanny about with it later
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08:14<petemc>if you're going to set something up and not understand exactly what its doing, might as well not bother
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08:17<MadHag>not quite as lazy as that :)
08:17<petemc>what is it you think this firewall will do?
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08:18<MadHag>basically keep unwanted intrusions out I guess
08:18<petemc>how will it know whats unwanted?
08:18<MadHag>I am probably ok, but it helps to check some stuff out
08:19<MadHag>thats why I want a basic config, I am sure it knows more about these things than me
08:20<petemc>it wouldnt know what services you plan to run
08:20<gego>Hi, I'm having trouble booting a self compiled kernel in root=/dev/md1 (which is raid 1).
08:20<MadHag>if we dont need firewalls on servers why do they exist anyway
08:20<MadHag>just a basic webserver
08:20<petemc>there are plenty of situations that require firewalls
08:20<petemc>thats a stupid statement
08:20<MadHag>thats why I asked about etch basdic install, how does it come
08:21<gego>mdadm says: no devices listed in conf file found. could anyone help me there?
08:21<Shadowdancer>it's not that difficult to just create a basic "reject everything on the privileged ports unless I say otherwise" setup with iptables
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08:22<petemc>thats not very useful if you want to run a webserver
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08:22<Shadowdancer>if you run a webserver, you're SOL anyway ;-)
08:23<petemc>just dont run services you dont need
08:23<petemc>then theres nothing to reject
08:23<MadHag>hangon, I will see whats running
08:23<jeid>has anyone been able to get ATI firemv 2400 (quad head) working. I get to the gnome login window and all is fine. I log in and everything freezes any idea. lspci does recognize the video card by name.
08:25<MadHag>lol, you kinky :)
08:25<Shadowdancer>petemc: I'm using it because at some point samba acted weird and started to listen on all interfaces
08:25<Shadowdancer>which was definitely not fun
08:26<MadHag>cooking with gas
08:26<Shadowdancer>so I just installed a basic ruleset that REJECTs all incoming connections from the outside world, except for SSH and HTTP(S)
08:26<Shadowdancer>at least on ports <1024
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08:27<Lethalman>they released a driver for linux, but i don't know further
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08:29<MadHag>my ati hd2400 is fine on Debian
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08:29<MadHag>even better in Vista :)
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08:33<jeid>Lethalman: thanks will check them out
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08:36<gpl>I upgraded to testing, so far so good
08:37<gpl>though I should probably restart my computer
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08:42<MadHag>funny lot on the directadmin forum
08:43<MadHag>money mad
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08:43<MadHag>I think they get ideas for answers from around the net and then post as if they thought of it
08:45<petemc>nothing new there
08:48<MadHag>one guy was writing a script for configuring squirrelmail, the thread was huge till I showed them there was already a per script included
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08:50<Shadowdancer>could someone with IE7 please try top open ?
08:50<Shadowdancer>try to*
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08:50<Shadowdancer>completely wrong chat
08:50<MadHag>ok here
08:50<MadHag>good game that
08:51<MadHag>Googles Chrome is rather nice btw
08:51<Shadowdancer>did you read their EULA?
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08:51<Shadowdancer>they use the service EULA for Chrome
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08:52<Shadowdancer>so they have the standard "all your stuff are belong to us" clause in it:
08:52<MadHag>I am in windows, anything goes
08:52<MadHag>if I was in Linux, that might be different :)
08:52<pumpkin0>What are you two doing in #debian ??
08:52<MadHag>my server is Deb 4.0
08:53<Shadowdancer>pumpkin0: meant to post that on AfterNET x-)
08:53<stevecotton>pumpkin0: they probably got thrown out of #ubuntu
08:53<Shadowdancer>stevecotton: I wish
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08:53<pumpkin0>stevecotton: i'm in ubuntu too and nope...
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08:54<munga>can I do some sort of SSH virtual hosting ?
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09:00<variable>where should I install java JDK in pc? Is there any locations where it be the best?
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09:10<variable>where is the file of installed applications and libs list of dpkg?
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09:13<Shadowdancer>are you aware of java-package?
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09:15<maxb>It's simply apt-gettable, isn't it?
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09:15<maxb>(the jdk itself, rather than having to use java-package)
09:15<Shadowdancer>hmmm... the JDK as well I guess
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09:15<maxb>variable: etch or lenny?
09:16<Shadowdancer>java-package tends to have issues, like missing alternatives
09:16<variable>hmm etch
09:16<variable>I have bin from sun
09:16<Shadowdancer>whatever you do, make sure to install gcj as completely as possible
09:16<variable>it is said that i need just run it in the location where i want to install it
09:16<maxb>variable: are you wanting java 5 or 6? i386 or amd64?
09:16<Shadowdancer>to remove gcj*
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09:17<variable>what is gcj?
09:17<dpkg>it has been said that gcj is the GNU/Cygnus java source and bytecode compiler, part of egcs
09:17<Shadowdancer>it also sucks
09:17<maxb>yikes that's an out-of-date factoid. When did egcs go away?
09:18<variable>i have jdk-6u7-linux-i586.bin
09:18<maxb>well, either you do it the sun way
09:18<maxb>or you apt-get it from
09:18<variable>what does backports?
09:18<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
09:19<Shadowdancer>apt-get install fakeroot java-package; fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-6u7-linux-i586.bin
09:19<macko>does apt-get uninstall apt-get work? :>
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09:19<macko>i don't wanna check it myself
09:19<variable>try it ;]]
09:19<Shadowdancer>granted, it's possible that java-package can't handle 6u7, at least if Sun changed details again
09:20<macko>little bit afraid :)
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09:20<maxb>the thing I dislike about java-package is that it doesn't seem to follow the same style as the newer actually-in-distro packages
09:20<maxb>or at least it didn't last time I looked
09:21<Shadowdancer>sudo apt-get -u remove apt
09:21<Shadowdancer>it will ask
09:21<Shadowdancer>unless you disabled the confirmations
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09:24<variable>well I'll try to do sun's way - but where should i install it, what location it should be?
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09:26<variable>I still don't understand that fhs
09:26<Shadowdancer>/usr/local tree would be the way to go
09:27<variable>if i do remember so its for local machine
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09:30<maxb>/usr/local tree is for things that install into a vaguely FHS-like structure
09:30<maxb>/opt is more appropriate for single-package-per-directory things like the JDK
09:30<variable>"Large software packages must not use a direct subdirectory under the /usr hierarchy."
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09:31<maxb>Not strange
09:31<variable>i thing so that /opt is good dir
09:32<variable>i think that fhs in some cases contradicts by it self ;/
09:32<parecen>variable: chapter 9.1.2 of
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09:34<parecen>debian is not 100% FHS compliant
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09:39<variable>I set xmms volume at 0 but sound is the same ;/
09:40<variable>what could be the problem?
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09:47<Lethalman>variable, in other words /usr/local is for users and /opt for other system stuff that might compromise the system
09:48<Lethalman>s/users/manual installations/
09:48<Shadowdancer>variable: it may be unable to access the mixer
09:49<Shadowdancer>try setting the output plugin to software volume control. (also, consider another player. xmms is unmaintained)
09:50<Lethalman>(audacious is really similar)
09:50<Shadowdancer>(amarok actually works though :-P)
09:50<variable>i need somthing like winamp ;]
09:51<variable>with global hotkeys
09:51<Shadowdancer>try amarok for a few days, if you still want something like Winamp then you're really hardcore.
09:51<Lethalman>variable, audacious, don't know about hotkeys
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09:52<Lethalman>Shadowdancer, why is it unmaintained? isn't there xmms2?
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09:52<Shadowdancer>Lethalman: xmms has been unmaintained for some years now AFAIK. There was a fork that tried to evolve into something different, but for all I know the xmms1-like branch is dead.
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09:53<Shadowdancer>xmms2 is quite involved
09:53<Lethalman>well debian has no xmms, only xmms2 as i can see
09:53<Shadowdancer>client/server architecture and all. I've been using it for a while
09:53<Lethalman>and i guess variable is using xmms2
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09:53<Corvette>It's me, gpl again
09:53<Shadowdancer>xmms2 is purely backend. You have to get some kind of frontend like gtkxmms2
09:54<Corvette>(on a different computer)
09:54<variable>xmms 1.2.10
09:54<Shadowdancer>that's from November '07
09:54<Corvette>When I restarted the computer, the internet stopped working. I looked for the network config that was there before, and it's not there anymore. I typed in ip addr and noticed that the broadcast was set wrong (it was set to
09:54<Corvette>So I fixed it and the internet still doesn't work
09:55<Shadowdancer>ah yeah, audacious was the fork
09:55<Lethalman>ah rotfl
09:55<Corvette>(I removed the old ip address and typed in ip addr add brd dev eth0 )
09:55<Shadowdancer>last I tried it, it was "interesting". Most of all, it's a GTK2 port of xmms
09:56<Lethalman>i'm just using with library and their recommendations with vagalume :P
09:56<variable>Shadowdancer, what player you are using?
09:56<Lethalman>i've been using mpd for a long time instead
09:56<Shadowdancer>variable: amarok
09:56<Lethalman>it uses the less memory around the players
09:56<variable>ok, i'll try it ;]
09:57<Shadowdancer>I've been searching for an XMMS replacement for some time, and amarok was the least annoying one
09:57<Shadowdancer>one big issue is that due to libxine being a bit retarded, it can't seek in FLAC files.
09:57<Shadowdancer>ALAC works flawless though
09:58<Corvette>(that is, after upgrading to testing, when I restarted the computer the internet stopped working)
09:58<Lethalman>variable, if you have gnome it will bring you a lot of depends you know :)
09:58<variable>yes i do have gnome :)
09:59<Lethalman>Corvette, how do you connect?
09:59<Lethalman>variable, i wouldn't install it :)
09:59<variable>it is few days i have debian on my machine ;]
09:59<Corvette>sorry, the first should be
09:59<Corvette>via dsl
10:00<Lethalman>Corvette, do you have network-manager installed? why are you doing it manually?
10:00<artefact>dpkg-shlibsdeps fail with "couldn't find library..." error, while the library is in a package of the same source package.
10:00<Corvette>I looked for the network manager and couldn't find the icon
10:00<Corvette>let me try to type it
10:00<variable>Lethalman, so what you offer me to do? ;]
10:01<artefact>I could add LD_LIBRARY_PATH somewhere but, the library is already there. Any idea ?
10:01<Corvette>nope, "network-manager" is not there (or I would have used it)
10:01*parecen just subscribed to Google's info service regarding a linux version of their new browser - Chrome :)
10:02<Lethalman>Corvette, no clue are you using some special drivers for your net card?
10:02<themill>Corvette: it's called nm-applet from the command line
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10:02<Corvette>I figured it out
10:02<Corvette>I need to add the gateway
10:03<Corvette>and the DNS
10:03<Lethalman>variable, and
10:03<Lethalman>variable, just search the page for "player"
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10:04<Corvette>nm-applet gives me some error
10:04<Corvette>uhm.. not sure how to add gateway from command line
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10:05<Lethalman>Corvette, man route
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10:06<Corvette>(then I gotta figure out how to make it stick on restart)
10:06<Shadowdancer>did they fix the bug in network-manager that would make it diusable interfaces randomly because it didn't notice successful DHCP configuration?
10:06<petemc>route is deprecated now, if you're going to learn anything might as well be ip
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10:08<artefact>Does anyone know a package which uses tricky features of dh_shlibdeps ?
10:09<variable>hmm think for this time i will try tu install that jdk in /usr/local i hope there will be no problems ;]
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10:09<parecen>and if Chrome is not 30% better than firefox, mozialla, epiphany and opera, then i am going to sue Google
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10:18<magoni>so i'm installing etch in low memory mode on a really old gateway
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10:18<sugarmice>Does anyone know how to configure GNOME mandatory defaults in /etc/gconf? I've tried to set some configuration items to disable fast user switching, but even though gconftool-2 reports the correct settings, I can still happily switch users back and forth
10:18<magoni>and the installer decides to install the base system twice
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10:24<snoofkoo>anyone from finland ?
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10:25<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
10:25<parecen>snoofkoo: people on maybe
10:25<parecen>the channel could be empty and be located on Freenode
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10:28<dpkg>rumour has it, fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abreviation for in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi
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10:29*parecen patpats dpkg
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10:31<Corvette>I would use ifconfig but it's not there :(
10:32<Corvette>(that's the one I'm more familiar with)
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10:34<Shadowdancer>it's in net-tools
10:34<dpkg>ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. use the -a option to view all of them, or man ifconfig for more. see also <ifup>, <ifdown>, <man interfaces>, or <interfaces>
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10:34<Shadowdancer>hmmm. Could use package info
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10:34<petemc>why? everyone has it
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10:35<variable>how to find path where is installed some app for example mozilla firefox
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10:35<petemc>variable: dpkg -L package
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10:37<dpkg>wheris which, or in
10:37<Shadowdancer>anyway, try "which somecommand"
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10:42<Corvette>ok, I got it to work
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10:48<variable>how is that, that i run firefox from console but dpkg said `firefox' is not installed.
10:49<themill>variable: /usr/bin/firefox is in the package iceweasel and is just there to let you type "firefox" instead of "iceweasel".
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10:52<gpl>where is the network manager on the menu
10:53<gpl>synaptic shows network manager gnome to be installed but when I type in network-manager-gnome , it doesn't show up
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10:53<gpl>I typed in what you said last time and it gave me an error
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10:53<stevecotton>gpl: dpkg -L network-manager-gnome
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10:54<stevecotton>(shows all files in that package)
10:54<blitz\away>quick question, just doing the debian install, is there a page which tells me exactly what is included in each of the "predefined collections"?
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10:57<Kiga>anyone real in here?
10:57<gpl>uhm... the manual says I need to be in the user group netdev
10:57<gpl>but kgsu doesn't show a netdev
10:57<gpl>gksu *
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10:58<techbee>!dpkg tell Kiga about ask
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10:59<themill>gpl: the thing you execute is not called network-manger-gnome, it's called nm-applet. To add yourself to the group, adduser username netdev
10:59<pigah>hi, I'm running sid and having problems with both xdm and gdm. Both start at the command line, but won't start when I run them as services (/etc/init.d/gdm start)
10:59<themill>gpl: You'll need to log out and then log back in again to actually join the group.
10:59<gpl>I'm already a member of netdev
10:59<gpl>hold up
11:00<gpl>ok, nm-applet (I tried it last time) gives an error
11:00<gpl>let me paste it in pastebin or something
11:00<themill>please do
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11:01<gpl>thanks for your help
11:01<gpl>I also tried it as su
11:01<techbee>Hi, i m using etch and trying to purge one package ; it thorws an error msg E: I wasn't able to locate file for the fail2ban package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
11:01<themill>gpl: Run nm-applet as your normal user, not as root
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11:01<gpl>I tried both
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11:02<gpl>if I type in nm-applet nothing happens
11:02<gpl>it just goes to the next line and does nothing
11:02<gpl>(though I have to break out of it)
11:02<themill>gpl: the little network applet should appear in your system tray area
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11:03<gpl>I don't see it
11:04<gpl>I think I need to add a panel for the system tray
11:05<Shadowdancer>artefact: that laptop is now running for over 25 hours, with the last few hours building kernels nonstop at an average load >2
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11:11<artefact>Shadowdancer: my computer is running fine since few hours, seems ok
11:12<artefact>But my laptop which had the same issue could not even boot with this kernel...
11:12<Shadowdancer>missing ACPI goodies?
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11:16<techbee>on running apt-get -f install , it gives error msg available here , any help on this
11:16<gpl>ok, in the system tray there is a computer with an x on the bottom right
11:16<gpl>if I put my mouse over it, it says no network device has been found
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11:17<gpl>btw, I can't figure out how to make ctrl+alt+del load system monitor
11:18<gpl>I loaded configuration editor and checked metacity and the settings are correct
11:18<gpl>it worked fine under stable but here it loads the power down thing
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11:19<gpl>run_command_9 says ctrl+alt+del
11:19<gpl>command_9 says gnome-system-monitor
11:20<gpl>(under apps -> metacity)
11:20<gpl>but when I press ctrl+alt+del the log out screen pops up
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11:21<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to do the typing parts of partitioning four disks more quickly in the installer?
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11:22<EmleyMoor>i.e. not have it constantly recomputing
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11:24<EmleyMoor>I have only a slow method of trying out what I want to do at the moment, which makes it all the more tedious
11:24<Shadowdancer>tehre are supposedly recipes for partitioning that can be preloaded, but frankly, that finctionality sucks donkey balls.
11:24<Shadowdancer>so many typos :-(
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11:26<magoni>i'm installing in lowmem on an old gateway laptop.. how can i free memory between the install steps?
11:26<magoni>(it only has like 32mb)
11:26<EmleyMoor>This would be quicker on the real thing, of course, but I haven't got it yet
11:26<magoni>(and i'm using textmode)
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11:27<vileam>рш пшыу
11:27<vileam>hi gise
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11:29<vileam>There is who?)
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11:29<variable>who has ff3 installed?
11:29<vileam>And who is Russian?)
11:30<qq->!tell vileam about !ru
11:30<variable>i think just you
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11:30<vileam>i no install ^(
11:30<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
11:30<vileam>senks :)
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11:30<gpl>uhm... nothing appears in the system tray area at the bottom right
11:30<gpl>what applet should I use to show the system tray
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11:31<gpl>well, i loaded some applet and that network thing appeared
11:31<EmleyMoor>gpl: System tray is window manager specific and may not necessarily be at that corner. More detail please.
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11:32<gpl>I installed a program called trayer
11:33<gpl>Trayer shows the system tray at the bottom right and I can access it provided I move the normal desktop to the top
11:33<gpl>I remember there being a better app to do this but I can't find it right now
11:33<vileam>How you think it is necessary to put kde or not? Simply I sit on the gnome I think to try or not)
11:33<gpl>synce-trayicon seems to have loaded (when i tried it) and doesn't do anything. It's just stuck in memory, I can't remove it
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11:33<magoni>i'm using the text based install and it's saying my mirror for apt isn't available ("bad archive mirror, enter to continue") but when i press enter it keeps giving me the prompt and i can't continue.. ctrl-c doesn't seem to be working..
11:34<magoni>any suggestions?
11:34<gpl>when I run nm-applet an icon appears at the bottom right of trayer
11:34<gpl>when I hover my mouse over it, it says no network device has been found
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11:34<clint1986>magoni: use another mirror - go back and go to the mirror selection stage again
11:35<gpl>(or when I double click it it says the previous). When I hover my mouse over it, it says no network connection (but I'm connected and talking to you)
11:35<magoni>thanks, but how do i go back
11:35<clint1986>there should be a "go back" button to choose
11:35<magoni>i'm using text-based though
11:35<gpl>if I right click it, I can "edit wireless connections" (which don't exist) and that's it
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11:36<magoni>and thus it just says "enter to continue"
11:36<vileam>It is necessary awakes as нибудь to recollect English:) and that has forgotten partially:)
11:36<EmleyMoor>gpl: Its purpose is for wireless connections, obviously
11:36<clint1986>magoni: you still get the colourful menus and the like right?
11:36<vileam>*It is necessary awakes as be to recollect English:) and that has forgotten partially:)
11:36<cahoot>gpl: your'e aware that everything but 'lo' should be commented out in interfaces for nm to work?
11:36<magoni>naw, i'm installing in console mode
11:36<magoni>just text
11:36<clint1986>magoni: oh right, the full text method
11:37<magoni>because i was under the impression that might save memory
11:37<clint1986>magoni: not sure - what does "help" return?
11:37<clint1986>magoni: anything about moving back?
11:37<magoni>naw, just the same prompt
11:37<magoni>any input seems to bring up the prompt again
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11:38<variable>how to list package names and version of it with apt-cache search if it is possible?
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11:39<clint1986>magoni: i've never tried a full text install, i can't really help, sorry
11:39<magoni>haha thanks anyways
11:39<gpl>that's new
11:39<gpl>to me anyways
11:39<vileam>Yes at us in irc ubuntu only on the remote themes from computers speak.... xD
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11:42<gpl>actually, interfaces looks like it's set properly
11:42<gpl>will that setting retain when I restart
11:43<gpl>I'm gonna try it
11:43<gpl>hopefully that file won't change
11:43<cahoot>it won't by itself
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11:45<variable>after installing JDK sun's way and writing java -version it shows me old version of java
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11:45<EmleyMoor>variable: Either install it the Debian way or remove Debian packages of it (difficult if you have dependencies on it)
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11:47<MrDigimon>can someone help me with this black screen of death? i cant get the fglrx driver to run properly so i must use vesa...
11:47<MrDigimon>i have a ati radeon x1550
11:47<MrDigimon>anyone got any ideas to where to start
11:48<qq->google ?
11:48<Shadowdancer>MrDigimon: if you don't need 3D acceleration, the radeon driver from may be enough
11:48<MrDigimon>i need 3d acc
11:48<MrDigimon>thats why i bought the card xD
11:48<MrDigimon>ive tried googling around for 2 weeks now
11:49<MrDigimon>no solution...
11:49<qq-> bought linux 3D driver too ?
11:50<MrDigimon>isnt all linux drivers free to this card???
11:50<MrDigimon>i only got a cd with win drivers
11:50<qq->ask vendor for
11:50<MrDigimon>fat chance i get some
11:50<MrDigimon>isnt there a program to linux so you can use windows drivers?
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11:51<magoni>yesssssssss, solution is typing < to go back
11:52<clint1986>simple enough
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11:52<magoni>but not obvious
11:52<magoni>(to me)
11:52<qq->MrDigimon: or don't buy cards not supported by linux
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11:53<qq->magoni: opening new consoles may help : alt + F2 ; alt + F3 ; alt+ F4
11:53<MrDigimon>it is supported
11:53<qq->3D ?
11:53<MrDigimon>at least ati got drivers for its chipset
11:53<magoni>yeah, thx.. i tried killing the process but init kept respawning it
11:53<magoni>i figured it out though
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11:54<MrDigimon>damn, i feel kinda stupid now....
11:54<pumpkin0>MrDigimon: depends on your definition of "supported". Googles gives you this: to enable 3D on that card. You will need to build most of radeonHD yourself.
11:54<MrDigimon>that program i tought of only works for network cards -.-
11:55<Shadowdancer>search for fglrx packages
11:55<MrDigimon>"2d and 3d rendering dont work at the same time" -.-
11:56<MrDigimon>already did
11:56<MrDigimon>none work
11:56<MrDigimon>even tried atis binary pack
11:56<MrDigimon>still the same idiotic black screen
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11:57<gpl>it looks like I have to setup my network every time I boot my computer
11:57<gpl>or maybe I can just run a script
11:57<EmleyMoor>gpl: Are your requirements always the same?
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11:58<EmleyMoor>That's what /etc/network/interfaces is for
11:58<gpl>I know, but that file deleted
11:58<gpl>it deletes itself
11:59<EmleyMoor>It shouldn't
11:59<themill>gpl: are you booting off a live cd?
11:59<gpl>wait, the file doesn't delete itself
11:59<gpl>but it has the settings but they're not commands
11:59<gpl>maybe if I just put the commands in there
11:59<gpl>(but it'll need root)
11:59<EmleyMoor>gpl: No
11:59*themill still doesn't understand why gpl isn't using network-manager for this
12:00<gpl>I don't know how
12:00<gpl>I run network-manager, it doesn't run
12:00<EmleyMoor>You need to set up the stanzas as indicated in its manual - or use network-manager if you can (not that I, old hand, ever have)
12:00<magoni>oops.. do i need a /boot partition in order to install a boot loader or can i put it on the root filesystem or something
12:00<gpl>I tried running what you told me, it gives that error
12:00<gpl>the system tray that pops up is for wireless stuff
12:00<EmleyMoor>magoni: The bootloader generally goes on the MBR
12:00<murasame>MrDigimon: get this script and you will be lucky.
12:00<EmleyMoor>A /boot partition is not essential but can sometimes be helpful
12:00<themill>gpl: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/network/interfaces for us?
12:01<gpl>it looks right, hold up
12:01<magoni>k thanks
12:01<gpl>everything is correct in that
12:02<gpl>but when I restart, the broadcast / netmask / mac address changes to and the gateway I must set manually
12:02<EmleyMoor>There is a difference between "using it" correct and "using network-manager" correct
12:02<MrDigimon>ill try it murasane
12:02<gpl>and the resolv.conf (like it says in its own comment) erases
12:03<themill>gpl: are the lines for address netmask and gateway indented in your file? (they aren't in the pastebin)
12:03<gpl>maybe I can write a script to do it (though the script will need the root password) and boot it in init.d
12:03<EmleyMoor>If they are not indented, each is treated as a stanza in its own right, IIRC
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12:04<magoni>shoot, can i install the bootloader AFTER the base system is already installed?
12:04<magoni>it seems to not let me do that
12:04<gpl>and netmask is there
12:04<gpl>it's in the pastebin
12:05<themill>gpl: yes, but are those lines indented? that is, do they have spaces or a tab at the start of the line?
12:05<EmleyMoor>They need to be
12:05<gpl>didn't know that
12:05<EmleyMoor>(to show that they are part of the stanza begun above)
12:05<gpl>dang, always learning stuff
12:05<themill>gpl: see in man 5 interfaces how they are all indented to make up stanzas?
12:06<gpl>hold up let me see
12:06<gpl>I didn't put those there
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12:06<gpl>they were just there on their own
12:06<themill>they would have had spaces (or a tab) in front of them when they were created by the installer
12:06<gpl>I didn't put them there though
12:06<gpl>I didn't even know about that file until recently
12:06<gpl>(yet alone how to type all that stuff)
12:07<gpl>no, the installer did that
12:09<gpl>what the heck does, "allow-hotplug eth0", that's not something I would know how to put
12:09<gpl>all that stuff was already there, I didn't touch it
12:10<EmleyMoor>It sounds illogical that the installer did any of it wrong - the allow-hotplug line is right though
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12:10<gpl>Like I said, it's not something i did
12:10<gpl>I had no idea about that file until you told me about it, yet alone what the contents should be
12:11<EmleyMoor>What installer did you use that put the two lines in incorrectly
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12:11<gpl>but when I saw it, it looked right
12:11<gpl>(I mean, the addresses looked right)
12:11<gpl>I had the stable
12:11<gpl>I did an apt-get update
12:11<panagos>is there a way to see which files are in the linux disk cache?
12:11<themill>gpl: there's a chance that you used an editor to look at the file and it reformatted it for you.
12:12<gpl>Then I updated xchat, which updated a bunch of other stuff. then when I restarted, the taskbard didn't appear. So I pressed alt+ctrl+f1 and typed in apt-get dist-upgrade and it installed.
12:12<gpl>the taskbar appeared after that and the internet worked, but when I restarted, it didn't work
12:13<gpl>maybe the editor re-formated it for me, that's a possibility
12:13<gpl>like when you told me about it
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12:14<gpl>I usually use kedit
12:16<gpl>ok, now how do I make the dns static
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12:17<gpl>btw, thanks for your help
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12:18<gpl>hold up let me restart and see if I at least fixed the gateway and hostmask problem
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12:23<MrDigimon>it didnt work, still the same black screen
12:23<MrDigimon>changed back to vesa
12:26<MrDigimon>thx for the script anyway, but i need to find omething else :(
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12:27<gpl>I put spaces there, and it still doesn't change it by default
12:27<variable>error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH so i need to install some c compiler or what?
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12:29<gpl>variable, try installing gcc, that's a good compiler
12:29<variable>ok i'll try
12:29<gpl>what are you compiling?
12:29<variable>i am trying to install GTK+ 2.12
12:29<gpl>just go to synaptic& and install it
12:29<gpl>or synaptic
12:29<themill>!b-e variable
12:29<dpkg>variable: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
12:30<variable>what it will give me?
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12:31<themill>variable: tools that are, err, essential for building things....
12:31<MrDigimon>anyone got anything else i can try to get x1550 to work?
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12:31<gpl>g++ and gcc are two things you probably need
12:32<gpl>I'm assuming that allow-hotplug eth0 and iface eth0 inet static don't need to be indented?
12:33<themill>gpl: correct. Just the address, netmask and network lines
12:34<gpl>maybe I just need to map them
12:34<themill>gpl: all you need is this:
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12:35<gpl>that's what I already have
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12:38<gpl>do I need dhcdbd enabled
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12:42<srikar>I wrote debian leeny live kde version to a cd at 2x, when i boot it i get this error Disk error 32,AX=4280,Drive 9F what may be da fix??? plzz help me
12:43<srikar>help me
12:44<MrDigimon>ill come back tomorrow and ask for more help xD
12:44<MrDigimon>see ya ppl
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12:44<srikar>^^^^ help me plzz
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12:45<srikar>k,hope 342 ppl on this channel seem to be busy bye.ThnQ.
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12:46<variable>rewrite it
12:46<parecen>!reminder 17 pizza
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12:48<Pryon>srikar: burn it again. make sure you're doing it correctly. Verify that your burner isn't broken.
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12:50<srikar>i wrote it again at very slow speed (2x) , even i did md5, still same prob again, what may be da fix???
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12:50<cTATUK>Where can I get modern nvidia drivers for Debian Etch? (binary .deb packages, i mean)
12:50<Pryon>srikar: where did you get the image?
12:51<themill>!check iso image
12:51<dpkg>Test that an iso image was burned correctly by comparing the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum
12:51<srikar>Pyron :
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12:52<Pryon>srikar: Which architechture? Which date?
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12:54<srikar>Pyron:amd 64,kde Date>> Aug
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12:56<panthera>srikar: we do have some pretty bad regressions in syslinux that is used on the prebuild images.
12:57<panthera>srikar: however, it seems that the upload of syslinux from this morning fixes the boot problems on a large bunch of systems.
12:57<srikar>so is it like i should download a new immage file ???
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12:57<panthera>srikar: you can test if your system is affected by that syslinux bug,
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12:57<panthera>srikar: see
12:58<panthera>srikar: note that these are just syslinux test images, with only a very minimal (50MB) live system,
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12:58<panthera>srikar: so they are of no real use except testing syslinux.
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13:00<srikar>panthera : so is the problem with the image or the testing distro itself??
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13:02<panthera>srikar: as i said. it can be that your machine is affected by the syslinux regression,
13:03<panthera>and you can check if this is the case by using the syslinux test image i refered to.
13:03<chealer>cTATUK: what do you mean by modern?
13:03<srikar>ohk ., ThnQ panthera.I will do that.
13:03<cTATUK>chealer: newer than 87.76
13:03<panthera>srikar: please let me know if it worked, or not.
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13:04<gpl>enabling dhcdbd didn't help (and it has a question mark by it anyways)
13:04<cTATUK>and more specifically... once which allows my video card (nvida go 7800 gtx) texture_from_pixmap support
13:04<cTATUK>so that I can run compiz-fusion on debian etch..
13:05<simonrvn>nvidia? you're stuck with the non-free crap
13:05<cTATUK>but i want newer non-free crap >.>
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13:05<simonrvn>/msg dpkg simple sid backport if you're on etch
13:06<ssn>how's nouveau coming along?
13:06<hypnotic>hi there, can somebody help me with uninstalling oss (compiled from source)
13:06<cTATUK>simonrvn: interesting i'll try that
13:07<simonrvn>get the nvidia stuff from sid, and backport that
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13:10<variable>hmm to run ff3 you need gtk 2.12, to configure you need glib,... and other lib but there is not such lib, but threre is some of them in other lib instal them and so on an so on ;/
13:11<variable>please is there easy way to install that gtk+?
13:11<fxiny>on etch ?
13:11<fxiny>install 2.10 in opt
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13:12<variable>i have 2.12
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13:12<variable>and i'm trying to install
13:12<fxiny>i'm running firebus3 on etch but i'm also moving to lenny : impressive
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13:13<fxiny>variable: gtk+-2.10.14.tar.bz2 , but lenny++
13:13<variable>why that lenny is so good?
13:13<fxiny>is super fast
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13:13<hypnotic>hi there, can somebody help me with uninstalling oss (compiled from source)?
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13:14<fxiny>variable: you must install dependencies : 25 packages
13:14<imperia>fxiny: god bless you :)~
13:14<fxiny>imperia: hey
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13:15<variable>which 25?
13:15<fxiny>variable: dev-libs
13:16<fxiny>imperia: everything ok ?
13:16*fxiny sports the halo like RMS
13:18<variable>ok i'm lost, where can i get tham and which, what ... o my god i'm going insane aaaa!
13:18<themill>!firefox 3 etch
13:18<dpkg>Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see and at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...)
13:19*themill takes a wild stab in the dark
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13:35<paco>hi all
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13:35<paco>i'm trying to install condor on my debian sid
13:35<paco>but i cannot find libssp
13:35<paco>i've also searched on google
13:35<paco>but with no result
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13:36<cTATUK>sorry no idea
13:37<cTATUK>hmm anyone know how to specify which dist to use when aptitute install'ing a package? i want specifically to use the etch-backports version (which i have in my sources.list)
13:37<themill>cTATUK: aptitude -t etch-backports install packagename
13:37<simonrvn>only libssp i could find (yes sid), was apt-cache search result for gcc-4.1, in its Conflicts: "Conflicts: libssp0-dev (<< 4.1.1-6)"
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13:38<paco>i think that the ssp tecnology in build in gcc-4.1
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13:39<cTATUK>themill: thanks
13:39<paco>but building condor with gcc-4.1 does not work
13:40<paco>i've added the etch repository cause
13:40<paco>libssp0 is in there
13:40<paco>but i can't install it
13:40<paco>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:40<paco> libssp0: Depends: gcc-4.1-base (= 4.1.1-21) but 4.1.2-23 is to be installed
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13:43<themill>paco: you might want to email the debian-science mailing list (and check the archives!) to see if anyone there has successfully used condor. (I've not used it since sarge)
13:44<paco>ok i'm trying it...thank u
13:45<cmn>what's up with it's refusing connections
13:45<themill>cmn: apparently a known problem and being worked on
13:45<cmn>ok, thanks
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13:50<hypnotic>anybody know how to uninstall OSS4 compiled from source?
13:51<cahoot>instructions in the src you downloaded? no?
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13:51<fxiny>to unistall ? should be in /usr/local
13:51<hypnotic>not in the text files, there is a script called uninstall-oss but it doesnt work
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13:52<hypnotic>tried make uninstall but no luck
13:52<hypnotic>the oss is compiled from source by a script btw
13:52<fxiny>so read it
13:52<hypnotic>i did
13:53<fxiny>what about checking /usr/local ?
13:53<stevecotton>strace the makefile, grep out calls to fopen(... O_CREATE) ?
13:53<hypnotic>noting there
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13:54<hypnotic>working dir for compiling is /usr/src
13:54<stevecotton>does it have commands you can run, if so use "which" to find them
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13:55<hypnotic>which? where/how do I suse that cmd?
13:55<stevecotton>"which dpkg"
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13:58<hypnotic>what kind of cmds am i looking for?
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14:22<EmleyMoor>Not sure it will function when I've done it, but it will prove it's possible
14:25<EmleyMoor>I am hoping I can order the new machine sometime next week (at last!)
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14:33<other_jon>where can i get info on whether is down? i've been unable to access it for the past fifteen minutes or so.
14:34<dondelelcaro>other_jon: we've nmothing to do with
14:34<chattr>other_jon: in #ubuntu ?
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14:35<other_jon>apologies, sincerely, i was reading the topic while typing. i promise that i've actually been trying to access and have been unable to the past fifteen minutes.
14:36<stevecotton>other_jon: it's down, as is the bug tracker (both #debian)
14:36<dondelelcaro>yeah, it's a known problem, and the proper people are working on it
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14:38<jla>yeah. ty
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14:39<other_jon>thanks. again, apologies for the typo, i was just laughing at the topic originally, and it slipped into my question. thanks again.
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14:40<jla> appears to be the old version of the form, still ponting at b.d.o for the data. Is that correct?
14:40<dondelelcaro>jla: you don't need to use the form, use the short urls, like b.d.c/foo b.d.c/nnn
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14:41<jla>dondelelcaro: ty that worked for me
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15:09<variable>Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.13.5' but version of GLib is 2.12.4 Requested 'pango >= 1.17.3' but version of Pango is 1.14.8
15:09<variable>so where can i find it?
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15:25<stevecotton>dondelelcaro: please set the topic back
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15:40<bugaloo>hi bdg4
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15:49<tomv_w>hi, does anyone here have an ipod nano and is able to provide a partition table (to debug debian bug #491797)?
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16:04<rafal>hello everybody
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16:22<lenin>my debian
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16:23<egns>lenin, please, use KDE
16:23<Lethalman>egns, do you want to flame?
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16:24<Lethalman>kde flamers
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16:24<stevecotton>lenin - what do you need help with?
16:25<lenin>I neeed not
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16:25<lenin>I want to show you my Desktop
16:25<lenin>Gnome and Debian the best
16:25<Lethalman>lenin, nice theme, also try blue-joy
16:26<lenin>Debian - one configured working ever!!!
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16:27<gnufan>lenin: desktop looks pretty - except it is all in some foreign language ;)
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16:39<Kemi>trying to do a lenny netinstall from a usb-stick and get stuck at formating my hard drives. I cant use ext3, just errors out. When I try manually with mkfs.ext3, it complains that is missing.
16:41<Kemi>got the install files from
16:41<Kemi>initrd.gz and linux should be enough?
16:41<Kemi>or am i missing something?
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17:07<variable>I don't know why but time to time I need to make alsaconf because sound is gone, what could it be?
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17:20<teamnoir>In debian packaging... How do I declare that after loading this package, a reboot will be required?
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17:22<parecen>make it windows-alike?
17:22<stevecotton>in debconf
17:22<stevecotton>what is the package?
17:22<teamnoir>er... if that's what's necessary, then I'll try debconf.
17:22<teamnoir>local package
17:24<stevecotton>the kernel package generated from linux-source-2.6 does this, if it installs a kernel's modules over those for the currently running module
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17:25<teamnoir>Right. That's what I want. My local package resets network settings. I can't just restart network. Rather, I'd like to flag politely that a restart is required.
17:26<stevecotton>correction - the one built if you build the kernel with make-kpkg does. not sure what a "normal" build does
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17:27<stevecotton>it doesn't actually reboot, just points out that you need to
17:28<teamnoir>Exactly what I'm looking for.
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17:30<EmleyMoor>Is it better to have each partition as an individual RAID6 array or one partitioned RAID6 array holding them all?
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17:31<teamnoir>If you're going to split them, you may as well split them all the way. If you use one raid with multiple partitions, then any error that breaks your raid breaks all partitions.
17:31<teamnoir>Done separately, the errors are all isolated.
17:31<EmleyMoor>Yes, that's what I figured
17:31<EmleyMoor>Just wanted to confirm it
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17:33*EmleyMoor has had a tinker tonight and knows what to do when the new machine is built now
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17:42<eightyeight>dpkg-query -l # listing just installed packages on the system?
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17:43<eightyeight>i guess the more appropriate question would be: is the dpkg database keeping track of packages not currently installed? that would seem odd to me
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17:45<eightyeight>dpkg-query -l | egrep '^[^i]' # does not show 'n' in the first column... so i'll assume not?
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17:58<eightyeight>apt-get is hanging on upgrading base-files. any ideas?
17:59<dmoerner>is it hanging or producing an error message as well?
17:59<eightyeight>Unpacking replacement base-files ...
17:59<eightyeight>just sits
18:00<dmoerner>for how long?
18:00<eightyeight>well, i ran the command probably 6 hours ago. :)
18:00<eightyeight>forgot about it, then just noticed it
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18:01<eightyeight>i also noticed that updatedb was hanging as well.
18:01<eightyeight>last night, that is
18:02<eightyeight>i can't ^c either, it appears
18:03<eightyeight>ps -ef | grep dpkg shows: root 6642 6631 0 15:58 pts/11 00:00:00 [dpkg-deb] <defunct>
18:04<eightyeight>as well as: root 6631 5956 0 15:58 pts/11 00:00:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 10 --unpack --auto-deconfigure /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_4.0.5_sparc.deb
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18:05<eightyeight>i guess i could try a reboot, but that doesn't tell me what's causing the hang
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18:06<eightyeight>df -h is also hanging. something is horribly wrong
18:07<abrotman>eightyeight: drive gone bad?
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18:07<eightyeight>abrotman: ugh. i hope not.
18:08<eightyeight>i guess it's showing the right symptoms though
18:08<abrotman>or the kernel dumped?
18:08<eightyeight>hmm. had a hung nfs mount...
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18:09<variable>do any of you use antiviruses in etch? ;]
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18:11<eightyeight>let's try this again after unmounting the nfs mount
18:11<eightyeight>and we're moving right along. *phew*
18:11<eightyeight>abrotman: thx for the tip. got me pointed in the right direction
18:12<abrotman>that's goofy
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18:12<eightyeight>everything is running smooth now
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18:18<eightyeight>it's amazing how a hung nfs mount can do that
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18:33<Kemi><Kemi> trying to do a lenny netinstall from a usb-stick and get stuck at formating my hard drives. I cant use ext3, just errors out. When I try manually with mkfs.ext3, it complains that is missing.
18:33<Kemi><Kemi> got the install files from
18:33<Kemi><Kemi> initrd.gz and linux should be enough?
18:33<Kemi><Kemi> or am i missing something?
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18:33<Kemi>ops :)
18:36<stevecotton>There's a package called libblkid1, the name fits with your problem.
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18:37<stevecotton>Why are you using something in a /daily/ directory BTW?
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18:39<Kemi>i need a driver(atheros l1e) and its only included in the latest kernel
18:40<amphi>Kemi: then you must build it yourself
18:40<Kemi>can i fetch pkgs even before format?
18:40<Kemi>its included in the latest debian kernel so i dont need to anymore
18:40<amphi>Kemi: if you're lazy, you can just use the debian kernel config, and make-kpkg
18:41<Kemi>thats why im using the daily snapshot
18:41<amphi>you should probably do the install over a wired interface
18:41<Kemi>just that formating ext3 seems bothced
18:41<Kemi>im :)
18:42<Kemi>l1e is a wired interface
18:42<amphi>I assumed wireless, sorry
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18:43<kandrex>hi, does somebody know how to install gnome on debian?
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18:44<dmoerner>kandrex: aptitude install gnome
18:44<kandrex>i mean, i just made a clean install of debian, so i want to install gnome, but not the entire gnome
18:44<Kemi>but do only need linux and initram.gz
18:44<Kemi>err, initrd.gz
18:45<Kemi>cause it seems strange that such a bug is present. someone should have noticed
18:45<kandrex>just a clean gnome like ubuntu, not with the entire programs
18:45<qq->kandrex: aptitude install gnome-core
18:45<dmoerner>kandrex: "clean gnome" and ubuntu do not belong in the same sentence. in that case follow what qq- said
18:46<abrotman>!install gnome
18:46<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
18:46<abrotman>kandrex: so for example .. aptitude install gnome-core xorg gdm
18:47<abrotman>assuming you want gdm
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18:48<kandrex>but if i make the instalation with "gnome-core" then i'll have to install the metapackages that i want one by one?
18:49<abrotman>the above are metapackages
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18:51<kandrex>can i just install "gnome-desktop" like ubuntu instead of the entire "gnome"?
18:51<Kemi>ah, found a bug report for my problem:
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18:52<Kemi>my usual luck i guess
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18:54<kandrex>i really want to change to debian, but when i install gnome there a lot of programs that come with it that i don't want
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18:55<rickbot>kandrex: if you want to go to the trouble you can choose 'base system' and uncheck 'desktop environment' during install and apt-get what you want
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18:55<rickbot>you will have a minimal system and setup xorg etc. after
18:56<kandrex>rickbot: thanks, i already did that
18:57<rickbot>k, so whats with extra packages you don't want?
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19:18<kandrex>can i install "ubuntu-desktop" on a clean instalation of Debian?
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19:20<abrotman>kandrex: you can try .. but no one will help you when it blows up
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19:23<kandrex>ok, thanks all guys
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19:27<flypiper> /me recieved his new HP tabletPC today and is washing XP off of it with a new Debian Brush :-)
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19:30<bighornram>sweep sweep sweep! ;)
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19:31<flypiper>duhs.. gone ....... retrieving files :-)
19:32<bighornram>I made the mistake and bought an iPod classic. Does anyone know of a readme that will help format it hfs without plugging it into a mac? I don't really want the fat32 fs on it.
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19:33<bighornram>I'm afraid I might put the ipod classic on the same pile as my RIMM BBErry. (POS)
19:35<flypiper>bighornram, my kids plug thier ipods into my linux server to charge em up. they show up as just a folder. The kids use a mac for their music. I havn't ever tried to play with one cause I didn't wanna make em cry. Google linux ipod and see what you find..lemme know
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19:45<bighornram>flypiper: oHHHH I have googled it..... LOL. I've reformatted it a handful of times. After getting past the block that mac added to the "classic" to limit use to a mac or pc/win, there is gtkipod and rhythmbox both work with it. well, I haven't figured out how to just sync if I add another music album to my local library. I've wound up losing some music on either the ipod or my local repository. I've read where the ipod comes with hfs+ and when pl
19:45<bighornram>ugged into a pc, reformats itself to fat32 which fragments. I have seen some documentation of keeping the HFS+ format with linux. I'd like to do that but don't have the luxury or misfortune to access an itunes install on a mac to restore to HFS+
19:47<bighornram>I'd love to find a way to put mac's unix based itunes on my linux box but fear that is really impossible via emulator of some kind.
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19:50<qq->mt-daapd - iTunes-compatible DAAP server
19:51<flypiper>bighornram, Im with you.. I just don't have time to mess with it
19:51<qq->hfsprogs - mkfs and fsck for HFS and HFS+ file systems
19:51<qq-> apt-cache search hfsplus
19:53<flypiper>my tablet is showing a debian login screen... excuse me while I configure the ts digitizer and install a keyboard to the desktop :-)
19:54<bighornram>qq: ;) yup, have that but the issue seems to be at this point that when you "restore" the ipod with a mac, it creates 3 partitions, haven't found a way to manually do that. There is an issue that you have to disable journaling as the ipod configures itself read only.
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20:00<variable>how to make those classpath and etc. it for java, to run javac and other from terminal
20:00<bighornram>flypiper/qq: thanks for the ideas, gonna head out to the shop to finish some chores.
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20:00<variable>!set path
20:00<dpkg>PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells.
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20:03<variable>if I edit /etc/profile by adding /usr/local/*/bin so all users could see it or just root?
20:03<qq->use fdisk to see/modify partitions , and use mkfs.hfsplus to format
20:03<r0tu>variable just to let you know, I'm learning Java right now... CBT for java is really good.
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20:04<cody>how do you install and set up sshd
20:04<r0tu>cody apt-get install openssh
20:04<r0tu>configs are in /etc/ssh
20:04<variable>after some learning java you will know that java is not one of the best programing language ;/
20:04<cody>sweet thank you
20:04<r0tu>variable Then why are you learning it.
20:05<r0tu>cody np dude
20:05<r0tu>cody the server is the /etc/ssh/sshd_config, the client is ssh_config
20:05<variable>because i like programming ;]
20:06<cody>1st time useing debian im more of a gen person lol
20:06<r0tu>variable would you recommend something else for crossplatform networking?
20:06<variable>cpp ;]
20:06<r0tu>lol yeah
20:07<variable>or asm
20:07<r0tu>I'll stick to java for now
20:08<r0tu>it seems simple enough
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20:09<cody>hey when i do apt-get install openssh it tells me couldn't find package openssh
20:09<variable>well for now ;] but if you programmed good and that app does some err so it was not your falt, it's java BUG
20:10<r0tu>sorry apt-get install
20:10<jla>cody: openssh-client ?
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20:10<r0tu>or client
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20:10<r0tu>cody.... to learn to fish: apt-cache search ssh
20:11<variable>java is still in development, so good luck
20:12<qq->variable: do >> echo $PATH
20:13<variable>oh, yes, forgot, try to add 0.1d + 0.2d and tell me the result ;]
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20:14<variable>qq-, this is for bash ?
20:14<variable>because it doesn't mach with /etc/profile
20:15<qq->variable: but here it is #debian not #bash
20:16<r0tu>but where would Debian be w/o bash?!
20:16<r0tu>lol, seen that comming.
20:16<r0tu>my statement was retorical though
20:17<variable>I guess my english is not so good ;/
20:17<r0tu>lol, everyone's a critic
20:17<r0tu>where's the spell check in bitchx?
20:17<abrotman>uhm .. your client is deprecated
20:17<r0tu>dry humour around here
20:18<qq->r0tu: is sleeping
20:18*r0tu looks around for the clowns
20:24<variable>i want to ask, that " echo $PATH" shows result of bash paths or some other?
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20:50<PatchLevel_>how do I fix my screen resolution? there is no 1440x900 option here... :/
20:50<dondelelcaro>PatchLevel_: xrandr
20:52<PatchLevel_>no 1440x900 option too
20:52<PatchLevel_>all options have wrong refresh rates also
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20:53<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <install x> if you are using etch or newer, or <get xorg> if you are using sarge, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
20:53<chealer>PatchLevel_: which Debian suite do you use?
20:53<PatchLevel_>i just installed the latest Debian 4 from debian site
20:54<chealer>PatchLevel_: which X video driver do you use?
20:54<PatchLevel_>no idea... :S
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20:55<chealer>PatchLevel_: please provide your X configuration file and log
20:55<PatchLevel_>wow, there is a kernel update...
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20:59<PatchLevel_>chealer: xorg.conf, right?
21:00<chealer>PatchLevel_: yes
21:02<kop>I wasted time yesterday because aptitude & apt-get said: "Unknown error exeucting gpgv" and aptitude compliained about installing untusted packages. The real problem was it was a fresh install and the clock was off. aptitude needs a better error message when gpg keys fail due to expiration or, especially, when the current time is before the key comes into effect. What package should I file the bug for?
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21:04<dmoerner>kop: if both apt-get and aptitude fail then probably file against apt
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21:06<kop>dmoerner: ok. Thanks.
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21:09<Quill0>man ehci_hcd is giving me problems like no other
21:09<Quill0>is there anyway to prevent the kernel and udev from loading it?
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21:14<Student>Greetings every one
21:14<Student>kinldy inform me about one thing
21:14<Student>any1 in here connect to their isp via LAN card?
21:15<qq-> isp ?
21:15<Student>Internet Service Provider
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21:15<Quill0>tried blacklisting ehci_hcd, still loads upon bootup
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21:16<MotoHoss>Quill0: need to check and see which other module is calling it... lsmod
21:16<Quill0>alright, just rebooted the system to give it another try
21:16<kop>FYI, Looks like somebody already filed that bug against apt.
21:17<MotoHoss>Student: Need a little more info... DSL?
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21:17<Student>dear when i connect via LAn or ether net card why i need DSL? MotoHoss?
21:18<Quill0>how is your computer connected to the modem?
21:18<Quill0>like mine is: ISP <-> Modem <-> Router <-> Computer
21:18<Student>well there is no modem required when i am connected via LAn card :P
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21:19<Quill0>is it connected to a phone jack?
21:19<Student>do you know LAn card? :)
21:19<Student>or ether net card?
21:19<MotoHoss>Student: every machine I have is connected via a LAN card to an ISP......Some through routers... some through bridged routers, some not.. ssome are direct connect PPPOE and PPPOA and some straight DHCP...
21:19<Quill0>is it RJ11 or RJ45?
21:20<Student>well MotoHoss if you can kindly help me , can you inform me about the procedure to connect via LAN card using ID or password
21:20<Student>Quill0: i don't know much about RJ11 and RJ45 standards
21:21<Quill0>RJ11 is phone jack, RJ45 is ethernet CAT 5 cable
21:21<Quill0>either case, you have to contact your ISP
21:21<Student>Quill0: as i already mentioned i am not using a phone jack or modem
21:22<Student>well it is wired , via ether net card , may be the cable is Rj45 i am not sure but it is ordinary networking cable
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21:23<Student>the reason i don't need to contact my isp about the issue because i don't a proper way to connect to my isp via Debian
21:23<MotoHoss>Student: OK... you you have a plug in the wall and your ISP says plug in here and go...?
21:23<Quill0>ehci_hcd 28136 0
21:23<Quill0>DAC960 62248 0
21:23<Quill0>ohci_hcd 18276 0
21:23<Quill0>usbcore 112644 3 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
21:23<Quill0>generic 4868 0 [permanent]
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21:23<Quill0>good to know
21:23<MotoHoss>Quillo: pls use a paste site.
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21:24<Student>MotoHoss: i need to plug in the wall and authorize my self using ID / password
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21:24<Student>i need to use this ID/PAssword with some sort of VPN connection
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21:25<Student>or establish a virtual VPN connection
21:25<Quill0>so you have the ID and password?
21:25<Student>oh YES i have the ID and password :)
21:25<kop>Student : Sounds like pppoe
21:25<MotoHoss>Student: ok... u need to do a little research... most likely is PPPOE ...
21:25<Student>i need to do that? :)
21:25<Student>i thought may be some1 gone through this already
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21:26<MotoHoss>I have...
21:26<Student>so why not pass the info MotoHoss? :)
21:26<MotoHoss>Do you have access information the ISP supplies to win-weans...
21:26<kop>Student : Last I tried IIRC I installed pppoe, read the man page, or /usr/share/doc/pppoe*/README*, did what it said and it just worked.
21:27<MotoHoss>Student: cuz it's not as simple as it sounds... though it is easy with the right details...
21:27<MotoHoss>Student: kop is right on target...
21:27<Student>well i have the access information
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21:27<Student>actually i was looking for a GUI based utility that will save me the time MotoHoss
21:28<Student>time to edit the scripts and many other things after connection
21:29<Student>the network manager connects me to my isp network beautifully
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21:29<Student>i am getting the network based Website without any problem
21:29<Student>but to use the internet services i need to authenticate my self
21:29<MotoHoss>ahh shortcuts are not always best but there was a PPPOE gui at one time...
21:29<kop>Student : People here tend to avoid the gui. It constantly changes. If you learn the config files/commands you're knowledge will never go out of date.
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21:30<Student>ok come back to the Long Cut
21:30<Student>i configured a VPN connection Using PPPT
21:30<Quill0>nope blacklisting ehci_hcd did not work
21:31<Student>now i got authenticated by that
21:31<Quill0>I blacklisted it under /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist fyi
21:31<Student>but got disconnect after 2.5 minutes
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21:31<Student>the only reason i think of is i am unable to update by default gateway after getting the ip address
21:32<Student>i am not good at using the "route command"
21:32<Student>so that is my dilema uptil now
21:33<Student>also i don't know what class of network is my isp i.e. A , B, C
21:33<MotoHoss>Quillo: see the wiki page I referred to... it says not to do that... also you need to run depmod -ae after blacklisting...
21:34<Quill0>damn, got me there
21:34<MotoHoss>Quill0: warnings and HowTo section ;-)
21:36<MotoHoss>Student: it may be because you end up with 2_ default routes...
21:37<Student>it is very much possible
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21:38<MotoHoss>Student: "ip route ls" tells me...
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21:39<MotoHoss>Student: or "netstat -r"
21:40<Quill0>thanks MotoHoss that did it
21:40<Student>yes i need to understand these commands and the "route" command in order to solve this problem
21:42<qq->Student: useing debian ?
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21:42<MotoHoss>Quill0: n e time those folks who did the work behind that page deserve the credit.
21:43<Student>yes i am using Debian
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21:52<MotoHoss>Student: it's hard for anyone to give the answer you need when the question isn't the right question... ;-)
21:52<qq->he's gone
21:53<MotoHoss>oh well..
21:54<Quill0>did we ever find out how he was connected to the internet?
21:55<qq->by windows ...
21:56<qq->web ID + passwd
21:56*MotoHoss smells proxy...
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22:05<qq->MotoHoss: i tested your grub by label, worked great , thanks
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22:09<MotoHoss>qq: I am glad you found it useful, and very glad it works. ;-)
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22:16<sanassar>Can anyone tell me how to create a archive with a .deb file format
22:17<dondelelcaro>sanassar: use dpkg-deb
22:17<dondelelcaro>sanassar: though it sounds like you really want to read the nm guide
22:17<dondelelcaro>!tell sanassar -about nm guide
22:17<sanassar>I already have the files I need
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22:17<sanassar>I saw a .deb archive
22:18<sanassar>I need to create a .deb so I can package them now
22:18<dondelelcaro>what exactly are you doing?
22:18<kop>Uh, should I be configuring the BIOS to say that I'm running a "plug and play" OS? (stupid pc hardware)
22:18<dondelelcaro>kop: yes
22:19<kop>dondelelcaro : Ok. Thanks.
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22:20<sanassar>Is there something like sudo in Ubuntu in Debian?
22:20<sanassar>Like if you want to run a command as root without going into a root terminal,You type sudo <command here> in Ubuntu
22:21<almondbrot>hi guys, i have a serious problem. i tried to install debian via netinst on a dell inspiron with vista. first didn't work at all, finally worked after i changed SATA mode from IDE to RAID. now things went fine until the grub install. grub somehow failed to install, now neither windows nor linux boots.
22:21<almondbrot>how can i boot manually, btw? i know that vmlinuz is on /dev/sda5
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22:22<almondbrot>and i can boot debian from the CD
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22:31<Quill0>whats your partition look like?
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22:31<almondbrot>partition map, you mean?
22:32<dondelelcaro>sysop: it's called sudo
22:32<kop>dondelelcaro : This bios seems to have the option to clear plug and play info at every boot. (Otherwise it stores stuff, who knows what.) Should I clear at every boot?
22:32<dondelelcaro>shoudln't matter
22:32<almondbrot> /dev/sda6 is swap
22:32<dondelelcaro>I really wouldn't worry about those settings unless something isn't working. (nowadays the defaults on most things should work just fine)
22:33<almondbrot>and /dev/sda4 i don't know, it is listed as type 5 (extended)
22:33<almondbrot>i chose the option of using all available free space
22:34<almondbrot>then /dev/sda5 is type 83 (Linux)
22:34<kop>dondelelcaro : I've a LNE100tx (Linksys) nic. It wasn't working, although I just did the install. When I rebooted after update/upgrade & 2.6.18-6 kernel the nic didn't work. I changed the bios to PNP OS and it now works. Go figure. I just hope that that was the problem and something else isn't flakey.
22:35<kop>dondelelcaro : it was a net install.
22:35<Quill0>well you can restore the mbr windows shoved there through the windows recovery console.
22:35<Quill0>but I can't tell you for sure because I don't know how you've physically laid out your parititon
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22:35<almondbrot>physically laid out? the windows partitions are the first blocks
22:35<almondbrot>why would it matter?
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22:36<almondbrot>of course, i'd prefer if i could install grub somehow
22:37<Quill0>so you have no boot manager what so ever?
22:37<Quill0>not even ntldr?
22:38<almondbrot>i have the windows and linux CDs from which i can boot
22:38<Quill0>did grub spit out an error when you tried to install it?
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22:39<almondbrot>i didn't see an error, i tried to find it in the syslog, but without good tools it is hard to navigate that huge file
22:41<dpkg>i guess grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>
22:41<dpkg>To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
22:42<almondbrot>ok, i'll try this manually then
22:44<qq->i hope you installed boot partition outside raid
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22:45<almondbrot>qq-: what do you mean?
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22:47<qq->it seems is better so, but not for sure
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22:48<almondbrot>i don't really have RAID
22:49<almondbrot>it is this weird SATA stuff that i don't fully understand
22:49<qq->never tried
22:50<qq->oh, i misunderstud that part
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22:51<qq->... "finally worked after i changed SATA mode from IDE to RAID."
22:51<almondbrot>yeah, that's a BIOS setting
22:52<almondbrot>what that exactly does is totally unclear to me
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22:52<qq->ah , not the installation
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22:57<almondbrot>hmm, now i am reinstalling the base system, stupid me
22:57<qq->hm , some dell inspiron are wired
22:58<almondbrot>i have used macs for so long, i am not used to all these problems :)
22:59<qq->they don't boot sames livecd , or such
22:59<almondbrot>with the IDE mode for the SATA drive the debian installer died immediately when it loaded the kernel
23:00<qq->yes that is
23:00<qq->brocken bios/hardware
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23:02<almondbrot>i thought it was more like new hardware without open specs
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23:02<almondbrot>but i don't really know what SATA is
23:03<almondbrot>sounds suspiciously like satan
23:03<qq->Serial ATA
23:04<dpkg>Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See . For a netinst w/libata, see to make one with a custom kernel, or for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work
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23:06<almondbrot>hey, now grub installed fine!
23:06<almondbrot>i didn't change anything really
23:06<almondbrot>maybe it failed to download it the first time?
23:07<qq->who knows ? hehe
23:07<almondbrot>alright, reboot...
23:08<almondbrot>now let's see if i can get my wireless card to work
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23:08<qq->it is booting fine ?
23:09<almondbrot>i only installed the standard system, so now it is aptitude time
23:10<qq->lenny ?
23:10<qq->wand gnome ?
23:10<qq->want *
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23:10<almondbrot>i think i'll install both gnome and kde
23:11<almondbrot>haven't used either one in years
23:11<qq->to long ...
23:11<qq->to install
23:11<almondbrot>well, i just selected the "desktop" task
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23:13<almondbrot>then i need emacs, latex, nethack
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23:42<henkmetselaar>hi naisho
23:42<naisho>can someone tell me whats the difference in the cd and dvd images of debian?
23:43<kop>I've saved a bug report (with n) with reportbug rather than mailing it. Now I've got it on a system that has an MTA. What's the "right" way to mailit. (I usually just fire up emacs in mail mode, but there must be a "standard" way.)
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23:43<kop>naisho : One comes on a cd, or multiple cds, one on a dvd (or maybe multiple dvds.)
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23:45<naisho>actually i've never tried debian, so wanted to try it out. got confused on which one to download,.
23:45<almondbrot>naisho: i'd recommend a minimal CD and then install over the net
23:45<kop>naisho : It's a matter of how much stuff is on the media. I always do the network install, which is a fast download and puts a minimal amount of stuff on cd and then gets everything from the network after that.
23:45<almondbrot>naisho: if you have ethernet or some such
23:46<naisho>i've just 2mbps connection :(
23:46<kop>almondbrot : Try mg if you're an emacs sorta guy.
23:46<almondbrot>what's mg?
23:46<kop>almondbrot : A tiny emacs.
23:46<almondbrot>oh well, emacs and tiny sounds like matter and antimatter
23:46<almondbrot>it will explode
23:46<kop>naisho : 2Mbps is fast for most people.
23:47<henkmetselaar>at home I've 512 kbps ...
23:47<almondbrot>why did i just configure a samba server? i don't want samba
23:47<almondbrot>stupid desktop task
23:48<kop>almondbrot : I think it thinks you want to print or use a file share.
23:48<naisho>thnx all
23:48<qq->use netinst (generally 135-175 MB) CD images
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23:48<almondbrot>i used the business card thing, works, too
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