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00:03<fxiny>etch clamav from volatile is borked . two upgrade lately : yesterday and the day before . clamscan hangs at "Downloading daily-8163.cdiff [100%]"
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02:05<p_quarles>could someone point me to what file controls the system beep, and how? I have a problem with my laptop occasionally shouting in crowded places :)
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02:07<dmoerner>p_quarles: blacklist pcspkr in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. on sid and maybe lenny you will have to blacklist snd-pcsp as well.
02:10<p_quarles>dmoerner, done, and thanks :) -- I won't know immediately if it works, tho, since this is only an issue after resume
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02:10<dmoerner>p_quarles: there are about 10 thousand ways to disable the beep. make sure it isn't beeping on resume in the bios
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02:11<p_quarles>dmoerner, the BIOS config options on this thing are dreadful, so there is no easy way to change that; is there a way to control it through Xorg?
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02:12<dmoerner>p_quarles: if its set to beep on resume in the bios linux can do nothing about it. if you just want to disable the beep in X then just run "xset b 0"
02:12<dmoerner>or at least thats true for my thinkpad
02:14<superme>hi again. Anybody to help me with JFS, about resize it. Actualy i try to manage the mount command : "mount -a -t jfs -o remount, resize /media/disk" ...
02:14<p_quarles>dmoerner, it doesn't just beep on resume; it beeps on certain keyboard events after resume -- if I can just silence it, that'll satisfy me; thanks for the options
02:15<dmoerner>superme: you cannot make jfs partitions smaller, to my knowledge. you can make them bigger using that mount command though
02:16<superme>dmoerner: i did read it, effectly, but i want to grown up this one (to make it full the disk)
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02:26<raycherng>原始碼
02:26<raycherng>打錯
02:26<raycherng>歹勢
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02:46<techbee>dpkg, raycherng is spamming
02:46<dpkg>techbee: okay
02:47<streuner>!forget raycherng
02:47<dpkg>i forgot raycherng, streuner
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03:18<soniker89>Hi!
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03:20<soniker89>I try installing MANDVD in debian but nothing happens
03:22<soniker89>help someone
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03:24<franklin>soniker89, where did you get it ?
03:24<soniker89>no i cant get it
03:26<franklin>soniker89, mandvd isn't packaged for Debian (apt-cache search mandvd). I don't do video editing, but there are probably alternatives.
03:26<techbee>dpkg, tell soniker89 about debian-mulitmedia
03:27<techbee>dpkg, tell soniker89 about debian-multimedia
03:27<soniker89>do u know some alternatives
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03:30<techbee>!dmm soniker89
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03:31<knoppix_>holy
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03:54<enouf>gah .. anyone got any hints on how i should use 'stow'? i'm going to compile my own mplayer and just want to see how well stow works, and to make sure i know what get's installed where
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03:55<enouf>i mean, i did briefly skim the manpage ...
03:56<enouf>soniker89: if you're going to be compiling and installing, you too should use stow
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03:59<enouf>heh - maybe i'll just generate my own bonifide debian pkg and install using that ;-)
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04:18<soniker89>what is that?
04:18<Supaplex>!that
04:18<Supaplex>apparently nothing.
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04:19<soniker89>he said something abaut to install
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04:21<MadHag>hi, I get a 403 error on trying to access a folder via the net, the permissions are set to 777? What could it be, there is no index page so I am guessing it's some sort of apache config, anyone help?
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04:28<soniker89>hey my cousing use vista and I want to get acess to their files?
04:28<franklin>MadHag, tail /var/log/apache2/access.log ?
04:29<soniker89>how do I do that?
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04:30<franklin>soniker89, in Gnome, something like Menu>Places>Network (Assuming they have shared their folder).
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04:31<franklin>MadHag, sorry, I meant "tail /var/log/apache2/error.log"
04:32<MadHag>:) could not find the other
04:32<MadHag>no apache2 folder?
04:33<soniker89>franklin I want in to make him a yoke :lol:
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04:34<MadHag>I have DirectAdmin it messes with dir layouts a bit, will check the logs in that
04:35<franklin>o
04:35<franklin>ok
04:35<MadHag>franklin, [Sun Sep 07 02:29:05 2008] [error] [client 90.60.91.23] Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /home/etc
04:35<MadHag>etc for etc etc etc :)
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04:36<MadHag>looks like a setting in DirectAdmin
04:36<MadHag>man this thing is taking over my OS
04:37<franklin>MadHag, the apache directive is "Options" (like "Options +Indexes").... in a nicer UI, it may say "allow listing files in directories".
04:37<MadHag>ok, so whats the answer again, I missed it :)
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04:39<franklin>MadHag, The directive "Options" defines if a visitor can browser the content of a folder. (if the folder don't have and index.html, index.php ...)
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04:39<MadHag>ok, but where is it altered
04:39<MadHag>in the main apache2 config?
04:40<franklin>MadHag, your admin thing probably have an option you can tick-in.
04:40<MadHag>ok
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04:40<MadHag>geez, not enough to have a gui :)
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04:41<franklin>MadHag, I'm on their demo site...
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04:41<MadHag>thanks
04:41<MadHag>it's not a bad tool
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04:42<MadHag>think I have it
04:42<brainbug>how do i get my gtk version ?
04:42<MadHag>httpd.conf
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04:43<MadHag>Custom HTTPD Configurations in extra features
04:44<franklin>MadHag, In a typical instalaltin,; it can be overridden in /etc/apache/site-available/*
04:44<MadHag>Options +Includes -Indexes
04:44<MadHag>I will remove -Indexes and see what happens
04:45<franklin>MadHag, change -Indexes to +Indexes
04:45<MadHag>ok, thats easier
04:45<franklin>MadHag, then reload apache.
04:46<MadHag>ah, I can only add not edit, I will nano the file if I can find it
04:46<MadHag>ok
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04:56<MadHag>nope the file seems to be different?
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04:58<franklin>MadHag, what do you mean.
04:58<MadHag>httpd.conf
04:59<MadHag>I openedd it in nano and it's content is different to what I see in DirectAdmin
04:59<MadHag>*opened
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05:01<franklin>MadHag, DA could use a different file. BTW, Debian usually uses apache.conf)
05:01<franklin>MadHag, ... or it concatenates files (/etc/apache2/*.conf ...)
05:02<MadHag>let me see
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05:03<franklin>MadHag, are you admin ?
05:03<MadHag>yes
05:03<MadHag>cant find the apach2 folder
05:04<franklin>MadHag, connect as admin > Extra Features > Custom HTTPD Configurations > "click on your domain"
05:04<MadHag>see a lot of apache2 handlers?
05:04<MadHag>ok, there now
05:04<franklin>MadHag, then add "Options +Includes"
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05:04<franklin>MadHag, (that's how the demo server is configured ;)
05:05<MadHag>thats right, you can just add and not edit the file you can see
05:06<MadHag> Modifying this file is not recommended as any changes you make will be
05:06<MadHag># overwritten when the user makes any changes to his/her website
05:07<MadHag>it might be wiser for me to allow anon ftp access and allow people to get stuff from there
05:08<franklin>MadHag, You probably have a similar option con configure the website's httpd.conf files (as user)... but I can't find it.
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05:09<franklin>MadHag, all that is very DA specific (and oftopic here). you should ask on a DA forum/irc channel.
05:09<MadHag>I will keep looking, thanks anyway
05:10<MadHag>I would ask on the forum but they might charge me for an answer there :)
05:10<MadHag>they are money mad
05:10<MadHag>opensource is a swear word there lol
05:11<franklin>MadHag, they seem to have a good product, though.
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05:11<bodhi2016>hi anybody here
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05:12<MadHag>its a great product
05:12<bodhi2016>can i get any help regarding knoppix
05:12<MadHag>http://www.directadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27577&highlight=403+error think thats the answer I need
05:13<bodhi2016>MadHag can you help me out
05:13<MadHag>in a mo, just sorting my problem
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05:16<MadHag>yep, that was it, sorted
05:16<MadHag>yes, DirectAdmin is a cool tool
05:16<fxiny>lenny : dpkg-reconfigure locales to get rid of utf8 reconfigure /etc/default/locale but not /etc/environment . is it ok ?
05:16<bodhi2016>to become a kernel hacker can i use a live cd
05:16<franklin>MadHag, You can create a .htaccess in the folder you want to browse, and copy the instructin in it.
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05:16<bodhi2016>franklin
05:17<franklin>!ask
05:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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05:18<bodhi2016>franklin i stay in a hostel.They are not letting me intall linux in their computer so can i use a knoppix cd to achieve my dream to become a kernel hackler
05:19<bodhi2016>franklin i stay in a hostel.They are not letting me intall linux in their computer so can i use a knoppix cd to achieve my dream to become a kernel hacker
05:19<MadHag>:)
05:19<MadHag>I had a dream
05:19<bodhi2016>what happened to it
05:20<danih>:D
05:20<MadHag>bodhi2016, maybe knoppix have a channel
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05:20<bodhi2016>nobody replies in it
05:20<franklin>!knoppix
05:20<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
05:20<MadHag>haha
05:21<MadHag>nobody replies :)
05:21<MadHag>dont you just love irc
05:22<MadHag>bodhi2016, get yourself a big flash key
05:22<bodhi2016> no i prefer forums andgoogle groups
05:22<franklin>bodhi2016, some CD can use USB keys as persistent storage. you can then use a virtual machine to test you kernel.
05:22<MadHag>I would'nt know where to start kernel hacking
05:23<franklin>MadHag, read the source, luke
05:23<bodhi2016>i have a slackware dvd but my laptop dosenot have a cd slot
05:23<bodhi2016>farnklin
05:23<bodhi2016>i have a slackware dvd but my laptop dosenot have a cd slot franklin
05:24<cogwheel>!repeat
05:24<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
05:24<franklin>bodhi2016, stop pinging people.
05:24<bodhi2016>i have a slackware dvd but my laptop dosenot have a dvd slot franklin
05:24<MadHag>bodhi2016, restricted ar'nt you :)
05:24<cogwheel>hrm.
05:24<bodhi2016>i did not ping you
05:24<bodhi2016>Sorry for repeating
05:25<franklin>bodhi2016, Try using usb key.
05:26<franklin>bodhi2016, ... booting usb key.
05:26<bodhi2016>can you
05:26<franklin>MadHag, does it work with a .htaccess ?
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05:26<MadHag>yes, its ok now thanks
05:26<MadHag>I said earlier
05:26<franklin>great.
05:27<bodhi2016>give any online article for this.I mean transfering a dvd image to a usb
05:27<MadHag>woohoohoo
05:27<bodhi2016>franklin
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05:27<franklin>!ask
05:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
05:27<MadHag>my server is using nealy all physical memory, how can I release some?
05:28<MadHag>66mb free out of 2gb, somethings up
05:28<bodhi2016>franklin
05:28<franklin>MadHag, why would you ! it's taking advantage of all the RAM for caching disk..
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05:29<franklin>MadHag, only some proprietary can's use all the RAM ;)
05:29<franklin>*proprietary OS
05:29<MadHag>:) , not seen it like this before
05:30<MadHag>must have a visitor on one of my sites lol
05:31<MadHag>must be about 15 dovecot sessions running
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05:31<solaristic>MadHag: "free -m" tells you how much RAM is actually used by processes and how much is used for file caching. the second line is the actual usage.
05:31<themill>!free ram
05:31<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
05:31<MadHag>yes it was that that got my attention
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05:32<MadHag>themill, thanks for that
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05:33<mrnice`>hingwah_, does someone knows how its possible to get a fast ping reply, but the overall time( between 2 pings are seconds)?
05:33<mrnice`>does someone knows how its possible to get a fast ping reply, but the overall time( between 2 pings are seconds)?
05:33<mrnice`>7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 30102ms
05:33<mrnice`>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 7.507/9.842/17.195/3.122 ms
05:34<franklin>bodhi2016, you probably can't convert an a boot DVD into a bootable USB key. but google might be your friend.
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05:35<mrnice`>!ping
05:35<dpkg>pong
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05:36<MadHag>themill, yes most of the mem taken up is cached
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05:38<franklin>mrnice`, do you use a regular ping command ? isn't your command an alias or diverted command ?
05:38<mrnice`>frank, yes i do
05:38<mrnice`>franklin, yes i do
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05:39<mrnice`>franklin, and the server had not been changed (iptables, /proc/sys/net settings)
05:40<franklin>mrnice`, "ping -i 1 foobar"
05:40<mrnice`>franklin, the server is mount.at
05:41<mrnice`>franklin, if u want to test for urself
05:41<KnuckOne>got normal pings, around 60 ms :)
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05:41<franklin>yes, but "3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 10279ms"
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05:42<mrnice`>KnuckOne, ping times are normal yes, but the slowdown is strange to me
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05:43<KnuckOne>it just means that ping is running since 10279ms afaik
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05:43<mrnice`>franklin, maybe an admin of the routers before that machine put a slowdown in there
05:43<franklin>pingin google.com does 3 ping in 2 seconds, not 10 !
05:44<KnuckOne>oh, isee what you mean...
05:44<franklin>mrnice`, If one had put a slowdown, wouldn't the ping time be increased ?
05:44<mrnice`>franklin, maybe, i am not an deep expert of tcp/ip
05:45<mrnice`>franklin, but the last hop replies normal
05:45<mrnice`>franklin, so its maybe server related
05:50<franklin>mrnice`, wireshark is your friend...
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05:50<franklin>mrnice`, it's because of reverse name resolution
05:51<franklin>mrnice`, try "ping -n"
05:51<mrnice`>franklin, thx, a lot
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06:02<MadHag>hey, are there any free installers like fantastico etc?
06:02<MadHag>http://installatron.com/ not expensive but not free
06:02<MadHag>for Debian that is
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06:19<romain_>salut
06:19<hahnp>hi
06:20<romain_>j'ai un probleme au lancement de firefox
06:20<romain_>ho sry
06:20<amphi>!fr
06:20<dpkg>somebody said fr was Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
06:20<romain_>thx
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06:31<MadHag>j'ai parles français!
06:31<hahnp>no
06:31<danih>is the sid kernel 2.6.26-1 still?
06:31<MadHag>actually I think its j'parles
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06:32<hahnp>danih, still what? :D
06:32<danih>let me rephrase that, is the sid kernel still 2.6.26-1
06:34<hahnp>i think the newest is linux-2.6.26.3
06:35<fxiny>enouf: hey ! good news
06:35<fxiny>ops
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06:43<fxiny>ok : lenny again : reconfiguring locales from utf-8 to en_US leaves utf in /etc/environment : is this file useless ?
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06:48*egns saluda a todo dios
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06:59<themill>MadHag: then there's nothing to stress about :)
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07:06<hachi>anyone know why apt-proxy would accept most connections, but always end up denying some?
07:06<hachi>maybe apt-proxy has been replaced, is there something better?
07:06<hachi>been trying to use it off-and-on for a year now and it's always glitchy in one way or another with the default config
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07:16<m4steR>Hi all!
07:18<m4steR>I want on my lenny a graphic system to control the usage of wpa_supplicant and other software about the wireless connection.
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07:20<m4steR>do you know and you can recommend me some of those systems?
07:20<m4steR>can you*
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07:22<hachi>m4steR: you might be looking for network-manager and things like it
07:25<franklin>m4steR, do you use gnome?
07:25<m4steR>franklin, yes i do
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07:25<hahnp>m4steR, then you can use gnome-network-admin
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07:26<franklin>m4steR, NetworkManager is accessible by clicking on the network icon, near the clock.
07:26<m4steR>there is not the icon near the clock
07:26<hahnp>m4steR, then you can use gnome-network-admin
07:27<m4steR>I have only gnome-network-preferences
07:28<hahnp>you have to install it
07:28<m4steR>gnome-network-admin results already installed
07:28<hahnp>maybe you have to get gnome-netstatus-applet also
07:29<m4steR>already installed also this
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07:29<hahnp>is it started?
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07:30<hahnp>go into the console and start network-admin
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07:30<m4steR>hahnp, ok now is started
07:30<m4steR>thank you
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07:33<m4steR>hahnp, but this interface is not regarding to wpa, is only wpe
07:33<m4steR>hahnp, so i can't use
07:34<hahnp>then you maybe need some libraries
07:34<hahnp>install wpasupplicant
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07:34<EmleyMoor>wpasupplicant is fine for wep, unsecured and wpa, before you ask
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07:35<hahnp>after that restart the network-admin and it should work
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07:36<EmleyMoor>I'd like to adjust the brightness and contrast of my xine window but I can't get control. I've installed it from the debian-multimedia repo
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07:38<franklin>m4steR, you needs network-manager-gnome (which should depend on all required stuffs).
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07:40<franklin>m4steR, If you don't a have a network icon, it might be because your network card isn't detect/handled.
07:40<mykhi>hello, i'm having problem with new compiled kernel. each time i boot, linux tells me "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." and here is stops. i tried all suggestion found on google (disabling acpi etc., switching from sdX to hdX) but nothing seemd work for me. i have compiled EXT3 to kernel (my root fs). any ideas?
07:41<franklin>mykhi, Do you have the driver for your disk (!).
07:41<mykhi>driver?
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07:41<franklin>module ;)
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07:42<mykhi>i have enabled modules for SATA
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07:43<mykhi>all but: "Support for SATA (deprecated; conflicts with libata SATA"
07:45<mykhi>after 10 mins on waiting for root file system, it drops me to BusyBox. i did there "ls /dev/sd*" and there was no devices
07:47<franklin>mykhi, dumb question... Why did you need to rebuild your kernel ? http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
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07:48<mykhi>cause i don't really like kernels from packages, and i think its needed to add ati drivers later on
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08:00<anderson>bom dia pessoal
08:01<anderson>alguem sabe como baixar videos do youtube:
08:01<franklin>!pt
08:01<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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08:10<haxi>Do anyone know how I can resolve this dependencies problem (mono) http://pastebin.ca/1196351 ? Thanks.
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08:12<hahnp>why dont you use the official debian repository
08:13<hahnp>and if you want to install lenny things use lenny instead of testing
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08:13<haxi>hahnp: I wish. How to ? :x
08:14<hahnp>user deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
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08:16<haxi>well I replace all "testing" by "lenny", right?
08:16<hahnp>yes
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08:19<haxi>hahnp: ok, it's done. But I still have the mono problem :/
08:20<hahnp>hm mine is working
08:20<hahnp>can you pase the whole error
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08:21<haxi>Yes. But my terminal is in french :P
08:21<haxi>http://pastebin.ca/1196359
08:22<hahnp>can you try apt-get install mono-common
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08:23<haxi>I did that, I installed mono-common and mono-jit. I tried aptitude install mono, and the score was 80 -> That looks cool, I hope it works.
08:24<abrotman>!tell haxi about why aptitude
08:24<haxi>thanks :]
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08:25<hahnp>!tell hahnp about why aptitude
08:26<abrotman>!tell hahnp about selftell
08:27<hahnp>k
08:27<abrotman>haxi: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade ?
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08:28<haxi>I just reinstalled my debian like one week ago. And I set up my old sources.list
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08:28<haxi>should I run it now?
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08:29<abrotman>that might ahve been part of the problem
08:30<haxi>well, running aptitude dist-upgrade, aptitude wants to remove mono because it causes dependencies problems
08:30<haxi>:P
08:31<abrotman>paste it
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08:32<haxi>http://pastebin.ca/1196367 still french ^^
08:33<abrotman>paste your sources.list again
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08:33<abrotman>haxi: and the output of `apt-cache policy mono`
08:34*egns pira a comer, saludos
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08:34<haxi>abrotman:
08:34<haxi>http://pastebin.ca/1196370
08:35<abrotman>you can comment out the etch-backports line .. useless
08:37<haxi>realy? don't remember what is this depot. huh
08:37<abrotman>haxi: just comment it out
08:38<abrotman>haxi: then run `aptitude update`
08:38<abrotman>haxi: then .. since 'mono' is a metapackage .. we'll install the components instead
08:38<haxi>well, i dist-upgrade?
08:38<abrotman>haxi: aptitude update && aptitude install mono-common mono-jit libgdiplus libmono-corlib1.0-cil
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08:39<haxi>aptitude wants to remove mono : http://pastebin.ca/1196374
08:39<abrotman>it's okay
08:40<abrotman>that's a metapackage
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08:41<haxi>err. aptitude wants to remove libgdiplus too.
08:41<haxi>it's ok?
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08:42<abrotman>it's possible
08:42<abrotman>the important ones are mono-common and mono-jit
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08:42<haxi>ok.
08:42<haxi>done.
08:43<abrotman>can you .. mono stuff?
08:43<abrotman>at some point .. you'll likely want to install that mono package again .. but not until it gets updated
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08:44<haxi>well, I want to use a program called "tursiops"
08:44<abrotman>well . you should have mono now
08:44<haxi>but I dunno howto use it yet.. I've a .so file. I guess I have to LD_PRELOAD it
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08:45<abrotman>oh
08:45<abrotman>well .. don't know anything about it .. have fun
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08:46<haxi>thanks for you help. :]
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09:14<damo>hey
09:14<damo>whats a better linux to start with then ubuntu
09:17<danih>debian
09:17<danih>:D
09:17<damo>for beginners?
09:17<tzafrir_laptop>damo, what's more tactful than asking about ubuntu here?
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09:18<damo>tzafrir_laptop> what do u mean
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09:20<franklin>damo, Even though I love Debian, If you are actually new Linux, I would advise you to test Ubuntu, which make efforts to make life beginners easier.
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09:20<damo>okies
09:20<damo>thanks
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09:21<franklin>damo, Once you get used to it, if you want more freedom, and you want "contribute back", you will be welcome to switch to Debian.
09:22<franklin>damo, (Actually, you could contribute anyway).
09:22<danih>franklin: with the installer debian is pretty doable too for beginners don't you think?
09:22<tzafrir_laptop>anyway, I have an Etch linux-vserver . I'd like to add a Lenny guest. What's the path of least resistance?
09:22<damo>is debian like ubuntu?
09:22<franklin>danih, definetly.
09:23<franklin>damo, Ubuntu is based on Debian.
09:23<danih>im quite new to linux myself but i've encountered no problems installing and configuring
09:23<damo>like does it have package manager ect and does it auto connect to the net?
09:23<danih>i ran ubuntu aswell but i'd choose debian anytime again :-)
09:23<franklin>Debian was meant, from the first day, to have"derivative" for specific purposes.
09:23<tzafrir_laptop>the installer is a bit different. The package manager is quite the same
09:24<damo>ok
09:24<damo>cheers
09:24<tzafrir_laptop>"a bit" may be an understatement
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09:24<danih>damo: if you are comfortable with an installer that is text-based instead of a pretty GUI you could try debian because it's pretty self-explaining aswell
09:25<danih>else you should start getting to know linux by installing ubuntu
09:25<franklin>danih, the installer is very good and easy to use (since Etch, I would say). but I think Ubuntu is making good job for beginner.
09:25<danih>franklin: i think they are too, but in my experience the best thing to do when you want to learn about using and configuring linux is to dive straight in
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09:26<franklin>danih, use "installgui" at boot prompt : http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingEtchStepByStep/LanguageAndKeyboard/ChooseLanguage
09:27<danih>^^ that's meant for damo i guess?
09:27<franklin>danih, I don't know how beginners he is.
09:27<tzafrir_laptop>actually at this stage it might be useful to look at Lenny
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09:27<franklin>danih, it's was actually for you... the nice Debian GUI installer.
09:28<danih>i'll have a look at it but my system is already up and running :p
09:29<danih>well i'm not the right person to give advice anyway, i've just started myself
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09:30<franklin>danih, we should all be modest... Debian is 22000+ packages. It would take many lives to know every thing ;)
09:31<danih>that's true
09:32<danih>i just thought that starting with a distro that doesn't make you do anything "difficult" does not make your ready for installing a more advanced distro so you could aswell dive straight in
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09:38<scifi>hi guys, how to i get debian to automatically mount partitions during bootup??
09:38<Gekz>lols
09:38<Gekz>man fstab
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09:49<scifi>how do i exit out of man??
09:49<hahnp>q
09:49<danih>q
09:50<scifi>ty
09:50<damo>can i get the direct link to download decian pleasre
09:50<damo>debian
09:50<damo>:P
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09:53<franklin>damo, on debian website > Network Install> Small CD> i386
09:54<scifi>so if i add the option auto to the appropraite line in ftsab it will automatically mount that partition at boot?
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09:54<franklin>scifi, right.
09:54<scifi>great
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09:54<danih>wrong button :(
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09:55<franklin>scifi, but it's the default (ie unless you add noauto). what's your line ?
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09:56<scifi>/dev/sda2 ntfs auto 0 0
09:56<fxiny>ahhhh libdb4.2-dev will do !
09:56<scifi>so i dont need auto then?
09:56<fxiny>ops
09:57<franklin>scifi, you need to specify the mount point.
09:57<franklin>like /dev/sda2 /mnt/win ntfs auto 0 0
09:57<scifi>franklin: yes i have, sorry forgot to type that part
09:58<franklin>scifi, but replace auto with defaults.
09:58<scifi>leave blank or actually type defaults?
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09:58<franklin>scifi, can't be blank.
09:59<scifi>franklin: also can i comment the line allow-hotplug eth0 from my network/interface file to stop it looking for an ethernet connection at bootup??
10:00<franklin>scifi, do you use network-manager ?
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10:01<scifi>franklin: no i use the interfaces file to point to my wpa_supplicant details as i only use wifi on this laptop
10:01<scifi>franklin: so no, no network-manager
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10:02<franklin>scifi, let me rephrase. do you have network-manager installed? (because it enables interfaces automatically).
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10:02<scifi>franklin: im pretty sure it is installed yes, shall i just uninstall it?
10:03<damo>franklin: after i install the small cd can i download the rest of it?
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10:03<franklin>scifi, I'm not sure you can... I think you have to make a bogus entry in network file, so NM don't try to manage it.... RTFM.
10:04<franklin>damo, it does it for you !
10:04<damo>sweet
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10:04<damo>i need a burner program for my cd write on ubuntu
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10:05<damo>can i get one from package manager?
10:05<franklin>damo, right click on the iso file ?
10:05<damo>what would it be underz?
10:05<damo>ohh ok
10:05<damo>it hasnt finished downliading yet
10:05<damo>2 minutes left
10:06<scifi>franklin: there doesnt seem to be a manual for it ^^
10:06<franklin>scifi, /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README and /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
10:06<scifi>k ty
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10:10<damo>when installing debain is there anything i need to know???
10:10<damo>installing over ubuntu
10:11<damo>!
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10:12<hahnp>why dont you install it using an installation cd?
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10:15<scifi>franklin: yeh if i just remove auto eth0 it shudnt be managed by nm, i only want to do this because is tries 4 or 5 times to find and ethernet connection and this delays the bootup time alot
10:15<franklin>scifi, makes sense.
10:17<scifi>gonna try it, brb
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10:22<damo>how do i install graphics in debian?
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10:22<franklin>damo, did't you select the "Desktop" thing ?
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10:23<franklin>damo, try running tasksel
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10:24<damo>i need to know my ip address
10:24<damo>to install debian
10:24<damo>hmm
10:24<damo>four numbers
10:24<franklin>damo, are you installing damo ?
10:24<damo>how will i find them
10:24<franklin>damo, are you installing debian ?
10:24<damo>debian
10:24<damo>yes
10:25<franklin>damo, is it asking for your ? (only only asks if no DHCP ansers)
10:25<franklin>**your ip
10:26<damo>its ok i willl restart and do it ethernet
10:26<franklin>damo, you might be able to press cancel to go back
10:26<damo>i cant
10:27<damo>thats why i restart:)
10:27<franklin>damo, it's quick anyway.
10:28<damo>it didnt work
10:28<damo>ok
10:28<damo>network autoconf fialed
10:28<damo>failed
10:29<damo>i have to configure netwrok manually
10:29<franklin>damo, try selecting the ethernet interface (as you mentioned).
10:29<damo>how do i get my ip
10:29<damo>i did
10:29<damo>still same error
10:30<franklin>damo, how is the computer conenctedd to the internet ?
10:30<damo>ethernet
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10:30<franklin>damo, and what kind of router / DSL box ?
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10:31<damo>dsl
10:31<damo>netgear
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10:31<damo>got it
10:31<damo>no worries
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10:33<damo>think itd working
10:33<damo>done
10:33<damo>:)))
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10:36<pierre_>hi !
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10:38<pierre_>I have an usb mouse which work well on ubuntu but not on debian : the mouse X and Y mouse axis correspond both to Y "screer" axis. Does anyone know how to debug this please ?
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10:39<pierre__>hi !
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10:47<franklin>pierre_, which mouse, then pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
10:47<franklin>!paste
10:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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10:49<damo>i have installed debain
10:49<damo>debian
10:49<damo>now its brought me to a terminal
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10:49<damo>what do i do
10:50<damo>what do i type to get to desktop interface?
10:50<Cyorxamp>try /etc/init.d/gdm start
10:50<Cyorxamp>you may not have installed a desktop interface however.
10:51<damo>nope
10:51<damo>yeah
10:51<Cyorxamp>which one? :D
10:51<damo>i only installed the clittle cd
10:51<damo>150mb
10:52<Cyorxamp>ok... apt-get update
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10:52<damo>could not open file locked
10:52<Cyorxamp>apt-get install gnome OR kde OR xfce
10:52<Cyorxamp>you need to be logged in as root
10:53<Cyorxamp>type logout to login again
10:53<damo>how do i do so
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10:53<damo>k
10:53<Cyorxamp>it'll be a hefty download, a few hundred mb
10:54<damo>couldnt find package gnome
10:54<damo>:(
10:55<damo>reading package lists...done
10:55<Cyorxamp>sounds like you only have security repo's in your sources.list
10:55<damo>building dependency tree.....done
10:55<Cyorxamp>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
10:55<Cyorxamp>tell me what you see (paraphrase it)
10:56<damo>a blank screen
10:56<damo>with GNU up the top
10:56<Cyorxamp>tell me what begins with deb :P
10:56<damo>what do u mean
10:56<damo>there is nothing there
10:57<damo>just a new file
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10:57<Cyorxamp>I think you may have typed the command wrong then
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10:57<Cyorxamp>press Ctl+X to exist
10:57<Cyorxamp>*exit
10:58<damo>still same
10:58<damo>nothing there
10:58<damo>btw i have only installed the asshort verasion
10:58<damo>that ias why
10:58<damo>is
10:59<damo>???
10:59<Cyorxamp>no you should still have that file
10:59<damo>ok nano /etc/apt/sources.list just brings up a blak sreen
10:59<Cyorxamp>look at http://rafb.net/p/BivNwG43.html
10:59<Cyorxamp>thats what should be in that file
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11:00<Cyorxamp>after entering it, try apt-get update again
11:00<damo>ok
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11:00<Cyorxamp>I've guessed from your whois your australian and put the australian mirror in there
11:00<damo>yes
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11:01<Cyorxamp>damo: this is Debian Etch yes?
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11:05<damo>how do i exit and save
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11:06<damo>its the latest debian
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11:06<damo>short version
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11:06<damo>Cyorxamp> u there
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11:07<Cyorxamp>yup
11:07<Cyorxamp>latest is etch (debiaN 4.0
11:07<Cyorxamp>you press Ctrl+O to save
11:07<Cyorxamp>it says at the bottom what the commands are
11:08<damo>error writing /ect/apt/sources.list: No suck file or dir
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11:08<qq->!sources.list
11:08<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
11:08<Cyorxamp>qq-: thats helping... how
11:09<damo>?
11:09<Cyorxamp>damo: try actually going into the directory... cd /etc/apt/
11:09<damo>hmm i wish i hd of installed the full version:(
11:09<Cyorxamp>yeah full version is best for those not great on a command line
11:09<Cyorxamp>just CD1 is needed really
11:09<damo>realy
11:09<Cyorxamp>yup
11:09<damo>why
11:10<Cyorxamp>it won't ask for CD2, CD1 gives you all you need for a desktop gnome environment
11:10<Cyorxamp>or you can try CD1 of xfce, or CD1 of kde
11:11<damo>will cd1 install the rest
11:11<damo>on download>?
11:11<qq->damo: no
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11:11<qq->download is net not cdrom
11:12<damo>will the os download fully
11:12<damo>after cd 1
11:12<damo> cd /etc/apt/
11:12<damo>is that the full line???
11:14<blitz\away>easiest thing might be to reinstall using the netinstall cd you have, and pick select the desktop when it asks you if you want to install predefined packages
11:14<blitz\away>-pick*
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11:17<damo>Cyorxamp
11:17<franklin>damo, Cyorxamp there is no need to download CD1 : debian installer fetch all the files, directly from the internet.
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11:17<damo>what do i do then
11:17<Cyorxamp>franklin: it's just simpler
11:17<franklin>NO
11:18<Cyorxamp>CD1 gives everything a desktop user will need
11:18<Cyorxamp>then just apt-get individual apps he needs
11:18<franklin>netinstall too.
11:18<Cyorxamp>look both will work, but you arn't argue netinstall is easier
11:18<damo>whats netinstall?
11:18<damo> how do i install from net
11:19<Mahalo>Hey now! Anyone have experience with Real Player on Etchnahalf? I have sound from everything except real, and I have to listen to a stream later...Got Real installed via debian-multimedia.org and it updated successfully after that, but no sound!
11:19<franklin>CD1 is only required when you want to install offline (actually offline ; installing on wifi only systems ; or network card not supported).
11:20<franklin>damo, netinst CD are the small Cd you have downloaded.
11:20<damo>ok
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11:20<damo>how do i install gnome
11:20<qq->damo: run "tasksel"
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11:21<damo>hoe do i run it
11:21<damo>tasksel
11:21<franklin>damo, if your /etc/apt/source.list was empty, then I assume there was a big problem during the installation.
11:21<Cyorxamp>good luck franklin, you asked for it
11:22<damo>fopps
11:22<damo>sorry
11:22<damo> franklin
11:22<damo>how can i fix this promlem
11:22<franklin>Cyorxamp, It just happens to be the recommended CD, by the DI team.
11:23<Cyorxamp>thats nice for them
11:23<franklin>damo, did your computer reboot after the installation ?
11:23<damo>not sure
11:23<damo>dont think so
11:23<franklin>can you type "cat /etc/debian_version" to see the version
11:24<franklin>damo, or press Ctrl-Alt-F1.
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11:25<damo>did work
11:25<damo>didnt
11:25<damo>**
11:26<franklin>damo, what didnt work?
11:26<Mahalo>No dice on the Real Player action eh?
11:26<damo>ctrl-alt-f1
11:26<Mahalo>Hmm...rats
11:26<damo>cat ***
11:27<franklin>damo, do you have a /target folder ?
11:28<franklin>damo, i.e "ls /"
11:28<damo>no
11:29<damo>no tarhet folder
11:29<damo>target
11:29<qq->damo: uname -r
11:29<damo>2.6.18-6-686
11:30<qq->installation is finnished ?
11:30<franklin>damo, can you ping something ? (i.e ping debian.org )
11:30<damo>unknowhost
11:30<damo>:(
11:31<franklin>damo, let's see what's your network card : " lspci -nn | grep -i net "
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11:33<damo>command did not work
11:33<qq->[17:30:15] <qq-> installation is finnished ?
11:34<franklin>damo, I think it's the network problem, you had during the installation. Did the DHCP worked at that time ?
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11:34<damo>nope
11:35<damo>did not work
11:35<damo>that is why
11:35<damo>i am installing cd1 now
11:35<damo>any usefull hints
11:35<damo>so i dont get stuck
11:35<damo>will DCCP work this time?
11:35<franklin>no
11:35<damo>DhCP
11:35<damo>why not
11:35<franklin>damo, you will still have your your network problem (but at least, gnome will be installed at that time).
11:36<damo>ok
11:36<franklin>damo, you already have downloaded hte CD ?
11:36<damo>yes
11:36<damo>burning now
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11:37<franklin>damo, you could have downloaded etch-n-half's netinst CD, which has an updated kernel (but it is still Debian-Stable).
11:38<damo>ok
11:38<franklin>damo, so after the installation, you will need to install the update kernel.
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11:39*franklin wonders whats the easiest way to install etch-n-half kernel on a machine that has no network.
11:39<damo>how do i do that?
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11:40<franklin>damo, I assume you can still install with CD1, meanwhile.
11:40<damo>i am
11:40<damo>:)
11:41<damo>network auto config failed
11:41<franklin>;)
11:41<franklin>contiinue
11:41<damo>configure sys netwrok..
11:42<damo>cofigure manaully?
11:42<franklin>damo, just skip that part...
11:42<damo>or with a DHCP host
11:42<damo>there no option to skip
11:42<franklin>damo, can you leave it blank ?
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11:43<damo>its asking me for my ip
11:43<franklin>damo, After the installation, you can just download the new kernel manually, on a usb key : http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
11:43<damo>will i give it
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11:43<damo>okies
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11:43<damo>configure the netwiork is asking for my ip
11:43<damo>will i give it to it
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11:44<franklin>damo, can't you just click on continue ?
11:44<damo>ok i have left blak
11:45<damo>yes
11:45<damo>:)))
11:45<damo>how will we fix this>
11:45<damo>?
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11:46<franklin>damo, was you able ton continue the installation ?
11:46<franklin>*to
11:47<Cyorxamp>*cough* http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en
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11:47<franklin>The ethernet is buggy (or it tries to configure your firewire card). after installation, you'll update the kernel which should fix the bug. ...
11:48<franklin>damo, so DHCP will "just work".
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11:49<franklin>Cyorxamp, what do you mean ?
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11:51<damo>yes i could continue
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11:54<Blacker47>are there allready any relase notes for lenny? I want to read how to update etch to lenny
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11:55<blarson>!tell Blacker47 about etch->lenny
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11:56<Blacker47>blarson, thx, but "First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes." I don't find lenny release notes :-(
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11:57<damo>i need to configure my opackage manager
11:58<damo>HTTP prxy info
11:58<damo>proxy
11:58<damo>blak for none:P
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11:58<qq->Blacker47: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2008/20080609
11:58<damo>i cannot access the debian archive!
12:00<qq->damo: put a net cable in pc
12:00<egns>_prueba_
12:01<damo>werror: the specified Debian archuve mmirror is either not available or does not hsve a valid release dile on it. pls try a different server.
12:01<damo>i have
12:01<damo>put a net cable in oc
12:01<qq->power on your router/ modem
12:01<damo>its on
12:02<damo>uim using it right now
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12:02<qq->verify net cable again
12:02<qq->or connection
12:03<damo>how???
12:03<damo>i have dsl
12:03<qq->change curent cable to debian pc
12:04<damo>i am in debian installer main menu now, what do i do
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12:04<qq->ha ?
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12:04<damo>i presses ESC and it returned
12:04<damo>i can configure a network
12:05<damo>select a keboard layout
12:05<damo>ect
12:05<damo>detect disk
12:05<damo>s
12:05<damo>set up users and passwords
12:05<damo>what do i do???
12:05<qq-> set up users and passwords !
12:06<damo>install the base system
12:06<damo>ok
12:06<damo>installing
12:07<damo>without network
12:07<franklin>qq-, damo's ethernet interface doesn't seems to be supported. he'll upgrde to etch-n-half later.
12:07<qq->ok
12:07<qq->franklin:
12:08<damo>i still have no gnome
12:08<damo>i am in root
12:08<damo>dos
12:08<damo>...
12:08<damo>black screen
12:08<damo>what do i do?
12:08<fxiny>the geek cage :P
12:09<qq->[17:30:15] <qq-> installation is finnished ?
12:09<damo>yes
12:09<damo>now
12:09<qq->reboot
12:09<damo>yes
12:09<qq->now
12:09<damo>then?
12:09<qq->grub in installed ?
12:10<damo>i am not familar with it man
12:10<damo>what do i type?
12:10<qq->installer said you about that , no ?
12:10<damo>no
12:10<damo>ohh yes
12:10<damo>it did
12:10<damo>i installed it
12:10<franklin>damo, Did you have a screen where it asks which components you want to install ?
12:11<damo>yes
12:11<damo>i just added users
12:11<franklin>damo, was "desktop" selected.
12:11<damo>then it installed:P
12:11<damo>no
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12:11<damo>can i change via terminal
12:12<franklin>damo, run aptitude
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12:12<damo>how?
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12:13<damo>what do i tyoe mate?
12:13<damo>type
12:13<franklin>damo, run "tasksel".
12:13<damo>ok
12:14<damo>command not found
12:14<damo>:)
12:14<damo>:(
12:14<damo>what do i type mate
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12:15<franklin>damo, make sure "Desktop Environnement" is selected.
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12:15<franklin>damo, then go to "ok".
12:15<damo>i have to go back\
12:15<damo>in instalation
12:15<damo>?
12:15<qq->no
12:15<damo>well tell me the coammdn
12:15<damo>command
12:15<qq->[18:13:36] <franklin> damo, run "tasksel".
12:15<damo>doesnt work
12:15<qq->why ?
12:16<damo>command not found!
12:16<qq->damn
12:16<damo>yeah:(
12:16<franklin>run : apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
12:16<damo>thanks
12:17*franklin wonders if "gnome" fits on the firs CD ;)
12:17<qq-> apt-get install gnome-core
12:17<franklin>damo, but I think "gnome-desktop-environment" does.
12:17<damo>command not found:(
12:18<qq->hehe
12:18<franklin>damo, is it installing stuffs.
12:18<franklin>damo, impossible.
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12:18<qq->but not on his pc ...
12:18<damo>couldnt find package
12:18<franklin>can you run "anna"
12:18<damo>it installed a little bit
12:18<damo>then error
12:18<damo>nope
12:19<qq->check you cdrom
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12:20<franklin>damo, and you RAM.
12:20<damo>i wil reinstall
12:20<damo>can someone guide me
12:20<damo>i have 512 ram
12:20<franklin>damo, You should test your CD and RAM first.
12:20<qq->or burn an other cdrom
12:20<damo>how do i test
12:20<damo>why
12:21<qq->way not
12:21<abrotman>what is the error he's getting?
12:21<abrotman>!enter
12:21<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
12:21<franklin>damo, Boot the cd, there an option to test the RAM IIRC
12:21<franklin>abrotman, after installation, he doesn't ahve apt-get ;)
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12:21<damo>only installing 1cd
12:21<damo>the first
12:22<abrotman>yes he does
12:22<abrotman>does he have dpkg ?
12:22<franklin>abrotman, and the installation went too fast (after selecting the tasks)
12:22<fxiny>no reboot ?
12:23<damo>i cant get a online connection either
12:23<abrotman>shouldn't have to
12:23<franklin>BTW he's ethernet int isn't supported by plain 2.6.18
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12:23<abrotman>he could try the etchnhalf
12:23<fxiny>2.6.18 ? why installing etch ?
12:23<abrotman>what is his wired lan ?
12:23<abrotman>fxiny: why not?
12:24<franklin>He have already downloaded netinst and CD1
12:24<damo>anyway reinstalling
12:24<qq-> anyway burn an other cdrom
12:24<damo>why?
12:24<qq->way not
12:24<damo>what woul;d be wrong i verifyed it
12:25<damo>!
12:25<fxiny>abrotman: because i prefere lenny :=)
12:25<abrotman>good for you
12:25<franklin>Lenny still has plenty of RC bugs.
12:25<abrotman>technically .. so does etch
12:26<fxiny>this is the first time i have no doubt moving from a saolid rock stable to the incoming stable
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12:26<abrotman>apparently you haven't been using debian long :)
12:27<franklin>damo, could you find the "test ram" option at the CD boot prompt ?
12:27<damo>what other linux can i try for a beginner>
12:27<fxiny>abrotman: since woody
12:27<damo>nope
12:27<abrotman>woody->sarge was pretty good
12:27<franklin>damo, what was running on that computer, before ?
12:27<fxiny>abrotman: i had no support installing potato and so i went the freebsd back then
12:27<franklin>did you have problems ?
12:27<damo>ubuntu
12:27<damo>nope
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12:28<damo>hat other linux can i try for a beginner?
12:29<abrotman>you didn't like ubuntu?
12:29<fxiny>abrotman: is not a transition issue i'm talking about : i have the feeling lenny is far better then etch .
12:29<damo>yea
12:29<abrotman>fxiny: we'll wait and see
12:29<damo>i have it on my desktop
12:29<abrotman>damo: this is for a server?
12:29<damo>nah my laptop
12:29<damo>to test fior my desktop
12:29<fxiny>is a feeling i never had when in sarge looking back to woody , and in etch looking back to sarge
12:30<fxiny>i always ask my self ; why should i upgrade ?
12:30<fxiny>this time i see why
12:30<franklin>damo, do you feel like downloading and burning http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-businesscard.iso ?
12:30<damo>do i install GRUB?
12:30<franklin>damo, yep.
12:31<abrotman>how would the bizcard help?
12:31<damo>what will this do?
12:32<franklin>oups ...
12:32<damo>stil botting with no GNOME
12:32<franklin>etchnhalf buisiness cd
12:32<franklin>can you run "apt-get"
12:32<damo>can u gimme full command
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12:32<franklin>just that
12:32<franklin>to test
12:33<damo>nopr
12:33<abrotman>is aptitude there?
12:33<abrotman>or dpkg?
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12:34<franklin>damo, you can't have debian, without apt-get ...
12:34<damo>no <franklin>
12:34<abrotman>is aptitude there?
12:34<abrotman>or dpkg?
12:34<damo>what command do i use with apt-get
12:34<franklin>did did you have to type your password to login ?
12:34<damo>yes
12:34<damo>as root
12:35<abrotman>damo: is aptitude there? or dpkg?
12:35<damo>abrotman how do i check
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12:35<abrotman>try to type it in?
12:36<damo>yes
12:36<damo>aptitude is
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12:36<abrotman>damo: aptitude install gnome-core
12:36<abrotman>what happens ?
12:37<damo>need to get 0B of archives
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12:37<damo>error
12:37<abrotman>damo: aptitude install xorg
12:37<abrotman>what is the error?
12:37<fxiny>aptitude update ?
12:38<damo>cousome installed but then errors
12:38<abrotman>what is the error?
12:38<damo>yes
12:38<abrotman>what is the error?
12:38<damo>aptitude update works
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12:39<fxiny>abrotman: why don't you ask him "what's the error" ? ;)
12:39<damo>couldnt find any packages containting xorg however the following packages conatin xorg....
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12:39<damo>errror...
12:39<fxiny>ohhhhh
12:39<fxiny>so ?
12:39<abrotman>sources bad
12:39<EmleyMoor>Since upgrading to lenny, I've been getting a few constant things in the logs from spamd - if I pastebin them can someone advise me?
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12:40<franklin>!ask
12:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:40*fxiny is a bogofilter adept
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12:40<EmleyMoor>Actually there's only three lines... is that OK to paste in here?
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12:41<franklin>damo : run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
12:42<damo>k
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12:43<Woet>is there any place I could download the source of 'passwd' from?
12:43<abrotman>Woet: of course
12:43<franklin>Woet, http://packages.debian.org/src:passwd
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12:43<Woet>thanks
12:43<Woet>I need it for http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=30583 basicly
12:43<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/16609/ - only two lines but getting same/similar repeatedly in logs from spamd
12:44<damo>command not found
12:45<abrotman>damo: type this in *exactly*
12:45<fxiny>EmleyMoor: not familiar with spamassassin but bayes filters must be trained
12:45<EmleyMoor>Has been happening ever since updating to lenny
12:45<fxiny>so you should have those db
12:45<abrotman>damo: echo "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
12:45<abrotman>EXACTLY
12:46<fxiny>EmleyMoor: different format ? i keep an old bogofilter version cause of db incompatibility
12:46<abrotman>Woet: if you have a deb-src line .. just apt-get source passwd
12:47<fxiny>just guessing
12:47<franklin>Woet, I don't understand what's wrong with passwd
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12:47<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Could well be - not sure what I need to do to sort it
12:47<Woet>franklin: It should be one-line, not a wizard.
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12:48<EmleyMoor>There are three files matching /var/mail/.spamassassin
12:48<fxiny>EmleyMoor: anything down /usr/share/doc ?
12:48<EmleyMoor>The auto-whitelist does exist, too
12:48<abrotman>Woet: but why do you care what the old passwd is ?
12:48<EmleyMoor>I will have a look at that
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12:49<franklin>Woet, chpasswd ?
12:49<Woet>franklin: thats root only
12:49<Woet>abrotman: I want it to be one-line, so I can use a script to change it.
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12:49<abrotman>oh .. you want "passwd" to accept input
12:50<Woet>yes
12:50<Woet>so I could use a script for it
12:50<franklin>Woet, sudo chpasswd ?
12:50<Woet>franklin: users dont have sudo.
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12:50<franklin>Woet, "users"... like plural ??
12:51<abrotman>Woet: why can't they just run passwd interactively?
12:51<Woet>abrotman: no, it needs to be a script
12:51<Woet>franklin: the users I want to run the script dont have sudo
12:51<franklin>Woet, which will be ran by a webserver, maybe ?
12:52<abrotman>ewww
12:52<Woet>no, by SSH.
12:52<damo>nothing happend when i typed it
12:53<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i started with a compiled Eric S. Raymond bogofilter version : debian was using a non-bayes spamassassin . in fact bogofilter started the bayes approach . then i build mu db and bogofilter was debianized but the incompatibility issue force me to rebuild my db . can0t do it : i don't have enough spam for rebuilding it :)
12:53<fxiny>so this afternoon i compiled again the old bogo filter in lenny ; works like a charm
12:54<abrotman>damo: nothing is supposed to happen
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12:54<abrotman>damo: now type `aptitude update && aptitude install xorg gnome-core gdm`
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12:55<franklin>Woet, [sorry for being currious], why do they need a password, if they can ssh ?
12:56<damo>somthing is missing
12:56<franklin>damo, run "aptitude"
12:56<franklin>then
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12:56<damo>nope
12:56<Woet>franklin: I want to change the user's password.
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12:57<abrotman>then do it as root ?
12:57<franklin>damo, what do you mean by nope ?
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12:59<Woet>abrotman: no, since I cant grant a script root access.
12:59<Woet>that would be very unsafe, having my root password in a script
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12:59<abrotman>you could make it sticky
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13:00<franklin>Woet, We don't really understand why you need to get your users to change their password, with a script.
13:00<Woet>Okay
13:00<damo>it didnt work franklin
13:00<franklin>Woet, ... over ssh
13:00<Woet>Website -> People enter a password they want to change to -> Script connects to SSH -> changes their password
13:00<kyle_>how can i use my hfs+ hard drive in Read-Write mode?
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13:01<franklin>damo, earlier on, abrotman asked you to run a command with aptitude, and you said it worked.
13:01<franklin>damo, what is the exact error message ?
13:01<abrotman>Woet: uhm .. there are things like that already done
13:01<Woet>abrotman: sorry?
13:01<abrotman>kyle_: i don't think you can
13:01<abrotman>Woet: web scripts to manage passwords
13:01<kyle_>seriously?
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13:01<kyle_>hmmm
13:01<Woet>abrotman: yes.. but I want to change their shell password.
13:01<abrotman>i understand that
13:01<Woet>I know their current password
13:01<Woet>but I want to change it.
13:01<franklin>Woet, so it's "you", not "they"
13:02<Woet>let me explain again then
13:02<Woet>People visit their control panel, and enter their old and new password. Then my PHP script connects to SSH, and wants to change their password.
13:02<franklin>Woet, If you have a distributed setup, you shoulmd consider ldap and/ kerberos.
13:03<franklin>Woet, definelty... go for ldap.
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13:03<Woet>franklin: I cant change to such protocols.
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13:03<franklin>Woet, why don't you run the script from the php script ?
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13:03<Woet>because it doesnt run on the same server?
13:04<franklin>Woet, so it's always goign to be your web server, that is going to connect over ssh, right ?
13:04<Woet>Yes.
13:05<franklin>so you can grant "sudo chpasswd" for that user.
13:05<Woet>Then I should grant that to a few thousand users.
13:05<Woet>The script connects to SSH as the shell user I want to change the password of.
13:06<franklin>Can you create an SSH account just for the webserver ?
13:07<abrotman>Woet: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/change-linux-or-unix-system-password-using-php-script.html
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13:07<abrotman>i will not certify it works .. or is safe
13:08<Woet>franklin: I could.
13:08<Woet>abrotman: thanks, let me look into it
13:08<abrotman>Woet: google "php change system password"
13:08<abrotman>*shudder*
13:09<Woet>I will only use the shell code though
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13:09<franklin>Woet, Noooo the password is passed are command argument !
13:10<Woet>franklin: sorry?
13:10<franklin>Woet, anybody running "ps" could get the new password.
13:10<Woet>yep
13:10<Woet>hence nobody has shell access
13:10<Woet>and they should time it very precisely too.
13:11<franklin>Woet, you can improve it to use a pipe.
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13:11<abrotman>ravenbird: hi
13:11<ravenbird>Many greetings, abrotman, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.
13:11<abrotman>simonrvn: did you ask about a cloak for ravenbird?
13:11<simonrvn>no
13:11<fxiny>ahhh ravenshankar is back ?
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13:17<Woet>abrotman:
13:17<Woet>exora@serverffs:/home$ ./passwd.sh
13:17<Woet>bash: ./passwd.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
13:17<Woet>using the shell script you gave a link off.
13:18<abrotman>Woet: uhm .. maybe you shouldn't use windows to copy/paste
13:18<Woet>abrotman: nano isnt really Windows
13:18<abrotman>Woet: dos2unix .. try it
13:18<Woet>nano isnt dos..?
13:19<fxiny>flip
13:20<m> /ignore -replies ravenbird
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13:23<abrotman>the bot is probably offended
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13:27<Woet>abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m2550d880
13:28<abrotman>Woet: you'll have to install those commands
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13:29<Woet>abrotman: apt-get install or something?
13:30<abrotman>!apt-file
13:30<dpkg>hmm... apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename.
13:30<abrotman>it will help you find the packages you need
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13:31<Woet>abrotman: nothing for 'expect'
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13:31<abrotman>apt-file search expect ? you got nothing ?
13:31<abrotman>!find bin/expect$ etch
13:32<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/expect' (1): (/usr/bin/expect) in interpreters/expect,interpreters/expect-tcl8.3.
13:33<abrotman>Woet: i told you i wouldn't verify it worked .. you may need to rework it a little
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13:35<abrotman>AbsintheSyringe2: yes .. that's me that you shouted at
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13:37<danih>gemiddelde.cpp:1:22: error: iostream.h: No such file or directory <---
13:37<danih>which package should i apt-get for these c++ / c libraries
13:37<danih>don't know how i lost them :O
13:38<hahnp>just install g++
13:38<danih>i did
13:38<hahnp>then you should reinstall it...
13:38<hahnp>or something like that
13:38<dmoerner>danih: what version of gcc do you have installed
13:38<dmoerner>this looks like a problem with the gcc-4.3 transition
13:38<danih>4.3.2
13:38<danih>and g++ 4.3.2
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13:39<dmoerner>well for cpp i don't think you want the .h on the headers, and you might have to add namespace std along with cstdlib
13:40<danih>i had #include <iostream> using namespace std;
13:40<danih>but it'll say .h in the error message anyway because that's what it's looking fo
13:40<danih>r
13:40<dmoerner>danih: see http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ipager/ipager/ipager-gcc43.patch for a sample patch you might need to apply
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13:41<hahnp>maybe you can install those library files g++-4.3-multilib
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13:43<dmoerner>danih: it's not looking for iostream.h: libstdc++6-4.3-dev: /usr/include/c++/4.3/iostream is what it's looking for
13:43<danih>that file doesn't exist though
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13:44<dmoerner>danih: dpkg -S iostream shows it for me
13:45<danih>oh wait a sec
13:45<c36pop>hi , i have a strange problem with nautilus, when i plug an usb key or drive, neither the autorun function nor the desktop icon appear , but in the explorer under computer:/// the volume name appear. When i click on it the first time i m redirected to the / folder and the second time a click on it i have access to the files and the desktop icon appear . Please could somebody help (Debian testing ))
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13:48<danih>dmoerner, it works now although i haven't changed anything :/
13:49<danih>thanks!
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13:57<danih>looks like debian just had to get used to my update before it would compile :p
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14:01<mick_home>hi everyone
14:01<mick_home>is there a channel specifically for mactel? :)
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14:02<izzy>hello, im trying to do some losetup stuff, is it broken in unstable? it always seem to just show the usage help screen.
14:02<izzy>its been a while since i last tried losetup
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14:03<izzy>im on amd64 sid btw
14:03<mick_home>slow day so far i guess :-/
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14:06<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, what are you talking about man?
14:06<abrotman>AbsintheSyringe: lastfm
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14:07<AbsintheSyringe>abach, ahh, yea, well I'll ask you if you wanna be my friend there
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14:07<abrotman>only if you can get my name right .. jeez
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14:08<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, I dont get it, what do you mean?
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14:10<abrotman>AbsintheSyringe: you nicked the wrong person ..
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14:10<abrotman>!beer abach
14:10*dpkg pours a litre of Delirium Tremens for abach
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14:11<mazze>I have now upgraded to kernel 2.6.26, but every time the kernel detects at boot the ACPI-Battery, it does hang forever. Also, the computer immediately hangs when using the (for me) otherwise stable kernel with the up-to-date acpid -- after starting the ACPI-utilities, the machine freezes. What kind of ACPI problem might I have?
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14:13<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, ah crap, now I see it
14:13<screenn>I want to create local user who will have control only for one ftp sercie and can't nothing anymore see/execute/write nothing, what the best security method to do that?
14:14<AbsintheSyringe>well, I had a rough night
14:14<laurie>could somebody direct me to a simple website on how to install a Wacom Intuos 3 tablet on Debian Etch 40r3, thank you...
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14:15<abrotman>i thought you just plugged in the wacom tablet and vola
14:15<tzafrir_laptop>to answer my question from a few hours ago:
14:15<abrotman>voila
14:15<abrotman>!wacom
14:15<dpkg>[wacom] 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html
14:15<abrotman>or that
14:16<tzafrir_laptop>I installed latest utils-vserver from etch-backports and installed a lenny system. Basically worked ok
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14:18<mazze>With which program/command can I finalize a non-finalized DVD-RW?
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14:21<mazze>With which program/command can I finalize a non-finalized DVD-RW?
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14:27<laurie>thank you dpkg for the lead
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14:28<abrotman>dpkg: you're a stud
14:28<dpkg>abrotman: bugger all, i dunno
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14:59<hachi>anyone know if linux-image-2.6.26-xen-686 supports being booted as a dom0 kernel?
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15:01<tzafrir_laptop>hachi, no
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15:02<tzafrir_laptop>it doesn't
15:02<hachi>bleh
15:03<hachi>update-grub switched like 6 months early... so it lists alll these kernels as dom0 bootable when they aren't yet
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15:08<angasule_>is there any policy regarding applications leaving dotfiles in directories to store preferences? I don't mean in $HOME, but in each directory
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15:29<lontra>is there a way to get a version of a package that was in sid a week ago?
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15:31<themill>!sdn
15:31<dpkg>methinks snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
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15:31<themill>lontra: ^^ which I don't think is currently working, so the answer is no (unless it is in lenny)
15:31<lontra>themill: ok that's what i thought cause snapshot didn't have the package i needed
15:31<abrotman>which package?
15:32<lontra>r-cran-lattice-0.17.13
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15:35<dmoerner>lontra: you might try checking to see if it has a public vcs-managed packaging system on *.debian.org...if it does you should be able to check out the source with that tag
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15:37<eruc>Hi. I'm currently trying to install nvidia drivers following the exemple on debian wiki. (http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers) Unfortunatly, after installation, I find myself in front of a blank screen. X11 doesnt want to display anything. I then went to the troubleshooting section and found out nvidia wasnt loaded into the kernel, so i fix that. Same problem still. Kept reading the troubleshooting and also found out that X does
15:37<eruc>"nvidia_drv.o". I then look at solution (which is running "gcc -shared nvidia_drv.o -o nvidia_drv.so" in the apropriate location) and execute it. Unfortunatly, i get this error:
15:37<eruc>./usr/bin/ld: nvidia_drv.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
15:37<eruc>Any idea?
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15:38<mykhi>anyone know where i can find drivers for ATI Radeon 4870? i looked all over the internet >>
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15:39<blal>azureus question; I tried to install a plugin "for all users". The plugin install was incomplete, and I can't uninstall the plugin. halp!
15:41<blal>Wow. I'd at least like to hear that nobody knows the answer to my question.
15:41<dmoerner>mykhi: you want fglrx
15:42<dmoerner>dpkg: tell mykhi -about fglrx
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15:42<dmoerner>blal: this is irc. wait more than 2 minutes for a reply.
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15:42<mykhi>thanks a lot dmoerner ;)
15:42<dmoerner>it also isn't #azureus
15:43<eruc>dmoerner, any idea about my issue? ^^
15:43<blal>dmoerner : the problem is debian-specific, smartass.
15:43<dmoerner>eruc: can you pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg after you run "modprobe nvidia"
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15:44<dmoerner>blal: i was just pointing out that installing external plugins in azureus is probably related to azureus proper, not the debian package
15:44<erKURITA>eruc I usually run the installer from nVidia
15:45*stuarta tries to work out why his sata controller driver isn't loaded with the 2.6.26-1 kernel
15:46<dmoerner>!nvidia
15:46<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
15:47<eruc>dmoerner, thats what i followed :P
15:47<eruc>and there is the link to pastebin
15:47<eruc>err sec
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15:47<eruc>http://pastebin.com/d1433d8ae
15:47<dmoerner>stuarta: do you need the sata_sis module? it was removed in favor of pata_sis. there is currently an open bug report about this
15:47<stuarta>that'll be it
15:47<stuarta>was just going through the changelog
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15:47<stuarta>found #485609
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15:48<dmoerner>eruc: i was partly pointing out that nvidia-installer is not officially supported here. the problem is that xorg is loading nv instead of nvidia. please try adding Driver "nvidia" to /etc/X11/xorg.conf's video device section
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15:48<dmoerner>if it's already there, then please type "modprobe -r nvidia && depmod && modprobe nvidia" and pastebin your dmesg
15:48<erKURITA>read: changing nv to nvidia
15:49<eruc>oh thats right, i reverted it to nv to get back here
15:49<blal>dmoerner : ya see, Azureus uses a (lame) Windows-style strategy for downloading and installing plugins (the user downloads and installs plugin .jar's). THis is at odds w/ the proper UNIX way of doing things (users can't just mess around w/ /usr ). The package maintainers prob'ly chose a method of dealing w/ the situation.
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15:49<blal>Looks like my 2 minutes are up.
15:49<dmoerner>blal: what version of azureus do you have installed right now?
15:50<dmoerner>plugins were only enabled in 3.1.1.0-1
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15:50<blal>dpkg says 2.5.0.0+0-1
15:50<dpkg>blal: I give up, what is it?
15:50<blal>luzl
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15:51<dmoerner>blal: yes you are running etch it looks like you have to be on lenny or unstable to get plugins with the debian azureus package. sorry.
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15:51<rbrito>Hi, I see that there are some people that periodically rebuild the whole of Debian with newer tools (like Martin Mylchmayr did with the transition to gcc 4.3).
15:52<rbrito>I would like to know which way one use to systematically build the whole archive...
15:52<dmoerner>rbrito: lucas nussbaum for instance handles rebuild tests of sid with an amd64 cluster, i think.
15:52<dmoerner>rbrito: i think julien danjou maintains a package related to that one second
15:52<rbrito>dmoerner: Which infrastructure does he use?
15:52<dmoerner>rebuildd
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15:53<rbrito>dmoerner: rebuildd... Ah...
15:53<rbrito>Thanks...
15:53<dmoerner>is what julien uses. i don't know about what other people use
15:53<rbrito>dmoerner: Of course, doing apt-get build foo wouldn't scale...
15:54<dmoerner>why do you want to rebuild the archive?
15:54<rbrito>dmoerner: I'd like to do that using a crosscompiler to some obscure powerpc machines.
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15:54<dmoerner>ah well good luck then. you might want to try asking in debian-devel
15:54<abrotman>!apt-build
15:54<dpkg>it has been said that apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful.
15:55<abrotman>there have been numerous articles on using apt-build to rebuild your entire system
15:55<rbrito>dmoerner: Find some ICE errors etc.
15:55<rbrito>abrotman: Thanks for the information...
15:56<abrotman>rbrito: how obscure is it? why doesn't hte regular ppc work on it?
15:56<rbrito>abrotman: http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html gives me a 404 error
15:56<abrotman>ah .. sorry
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15:57<rbrito>abrotman: it's not that it doesn't work with current releases... It's kurobox, an embedded powerpc box that uses an MPC8241 chip.
15:57<rbrito>For instance, it has only 200MHz of clock.
15:58<abrotman>sounds fine
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15:58<rbrito>Also, only 64MB...
15:58<abrotman>okay .. so why are you rebuilding packages at all?
15:58<dmoerner>you can run debian on arm machines with lower specs than that
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15:58<rbrito>abrotman: I care about the powerpc port of Debian...
15:58*abrotman still doesn't get it
15:59<abrotman>http://www.dragteam.info/forum/informacoes-dicas-e-tutoriais-geral/34113-apt-build-optimize-debian-packages-your-system.html
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16:02<rbrito>Bizhan Gholikhamseh from cisco.com told me that some tools from the archive don't work with his powerpc.
16:02<abrotman>http://polishlinux.org/linux/debian/apt-build-optimize-debian/
16:03<abrotman>rbrito: you know there's a powerpc channel right?
16:03<abrotman>and has he submitted any bugs?
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16:03<erKURITA>holy shit
16:03<erKURITA>I feel like recompiling the whole system
16:04<rbrito>abrotman: yes, I know...
16:04<abrotman>you're all crazy!
16:04<rbrito>abrotman: He is not experienced enough with Debian.
16:04<abrotman>to file bugs?
16:04<abrotman>apparently you've not read many bug reports :)
16:05<rbrito>abrotman: yes, in general tool.
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16:05<rbrito>abrotman: Well, having maintained my own packages, I have read some bug reports.
16:05<rbrito>:-)
16:07<rbrito>abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2008/08/msg00108.html might give you some background on my worries...
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16:08<abrotman>no one responded!
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16:09<rbrito>abrotman: Actually Sven Luther replied to me.
16:09<s3a>just out of curiosity, is it possible to fix bugs in other ppls programs if they are open source and GPL and then submit the bug fixes?
16:09<abrotman>rbrito: he should have just replied to the list! :)
16:10<abrotman>s3a: yes
16:10<rbrito>abrotman: he is banned from the lists.
16:10<abrotman>s3a: doesn't mean they have to apply the patches
16:10<abrotman>rbrito: i know .. hence the ":)"
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16:10<rbrito>abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495120 Is something that worries me.
16:10<s3a>abrotman, so if they dont want to apply patches then that means u have to make a new branch?
16:10<abrotman>if you really want it applied
16:11<rbrito>abrotman: Didn't know that you did know about Sven. :-)
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16:11<abrotman>rbrito: uhm .. i think anyone that has followed debian for the last few years does
16:11<s3a>abrotman, k, thx, ill be completing my knowledge of python next summer
16:11<abrotman>completing?
16:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 344] by debhelper
16:12<abrotman>rbrito: no one responded to the last bug part
16:12<s3a>abrotman, i started python and read slowly towards the end of this summer
16:12<abrotman>oh ok
16:12<rbrito>abrotman: Yes...
16:12<abrotman>rbrito: can you verify the bug on your hardware? all i have here is a MacMini
16:13<rbrito>abrotman: no, I don't get this problem.
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16:13*abrotman should go for a bike ride
16:14<rbrito>abrotman: I have an iBook G3 which currently doesn't have Debian on it (but which will have, as the last missing point was getting my wireless USB stick working and it finally seem that after about month of mails, it is working with kernels 2.6.27-rc*).
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16:15<rbrito>I only have experience with this Kurobox (standard), my iBook G3 and an OldWorld PowerMac 9500/180MP.
16:15<abrotman>the g3 wifi should have worked without issue IIRC
16:16<rbrito>abrotman: I'm not using an airport card.
16:16<abrotman>does this guy have an IBM PPC ?
16:16<abrotman>that was vague
16:16<abrotman>an IBM PowerPC box .. the pSeries machines
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16:17<rbrito>abrotman: I'm using the rt2500usb driver for my USB wifi and it seemed to have some endianness issues.
16:17<c36pop>hi my preferences are in testing without reference to etch or lenny , can i let it like this during the etch -> lenny migration ?
16:17<abrotman>oh ok
16:17<rbrito>abrotman: I don't know about the Cisco guy...
16:17<rbrito>It seems that he is using an embedded machine...
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16:18<Nemoder>c36pop: yes your sources can stay pointing to testing, although there wont be many new packages until the next testing cycle starts
16:18<epsilon>Hola alguien en español?
16:18<rbrito>But I only received one e-mail from him...
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16:18<Nemoder>!es
16:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:19<epsilon>gracias
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16:20<c36pop>Nemoder : when is it going to start , i have readed about some months of freezing , is it true ?
16:21<Nemoder>I believe a partial freeze has already begun, but I don't know the details
16:22<rbrito>Well, I guess that I will have some compilation to do right now... Thanks to both dmoerner and abrotman...
16:22<c36pop>Nemoder : thanks
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16:23<abrotman>!lenny status
16:23<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html
16:23<abrotman>Nemoder: ^^
16:23<Nemoder>ty
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16:29<AzaTht>if I have to manually sometimes do "touch /var/lib/apt/lists/" to get it read the files under etch, what do I di wrong?=
16:29<AzaTht>touch /var/lib/apt/lists/*
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16:33<Nemoder>AzaTht: what errors are you getting if you don't do that?
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16:50<_renatuh>Hi every body! :}
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16:50<hahnp>hey
16:51*_renatuh listening tenacious d - beelzeboss.
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16:53<_renatuh>good dammit!
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17:08<deco>amphi, do you use aircrack?
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17:09<hahnp>why
17:09<hahnp>:D
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17:24<Garp>Hi.
17:24<hahnp>hi
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17:25<mykhi>hi, im having problem installing fglrx (trying with module-assistant). do anyone have experiance in it?
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17:26<hahnp>where is the problem?
17:26<mykhi>it just wont compile
17:26<Garp>Question (not debian specific): I have a Pentax camera that can record sound in WAV format. But the format is hacked to contain some EXIF informations, and most of my linux players cant read it. I remember reading some fix operation (limely using mplayer) to convert back to regular wav. Any pointer to that? Thanks.
17:26<mykhi>"Build of the package fglrx-kernel-src failed!"
17:27<hahnp>what did you do?
17:27<mykhi>m-a a-i fglrx
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17:27<Garp>Answer: http://en.linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_Convert_audio_files
17:28<korre>anny one here thats good whit smb direktorys ?
17:28<themill>Garp: if you need it, mencoder is in the mencoder package on debian-multimedia.org (/msg dpkg dmm)
17:29<hahnp>korre, whats the problem
17:29<hahnp>mykhi, can you show me an error message or sth
17:29<Garp>themill: thanks; I just found the page I was looking to. The magic is just a basic mplayer command.
17:29<mykhi>sure 1 sec
17:29<hahnp>maybe the /var/log/syslog
17:29<korre>i hawe an bittorent client on my server configured to save files on a smb direktory and im getting som errors after 16 megs of download
17:30<mykhi>http://mykhi.org/fglrx.log
17:30<korre>request timeous
17:30<themill>Garp: mencoder is the recoder for mplayer... you might find you need/want it as well as/instead of just mplayer. See how you go.
17:30<korre>time outs
17:31<mykhi>http://mykhi.org/syslog
17:32<mykhi>na, there is nothing about it in syslog
17:32<hahnp>okay
17:33<Garp>themill: the conversion is just from (broken) WAV to fixed WAV, in fact a few octets from head are removed
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17:33<Garp>(have to go, see ya)
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17:33<themill>Garp: if mplayer is working for you then that's fine... no stress. For many conversions, you'll want the mencoder package though, so I was just offering you the extra info
17:34<hahnp>mykhi, which packages did you install
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17:35<hahnp>korre, do you have any error messages?
17:35<mykhi>fglrx-control fglrx-src fglrx
17:35<qq->!alsa
17:35<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
17:35<themill>mykhi: what version of fglrx and what kernel version?
17:36<mykhi>kernel is 2.6.26.3
17:36<korre>yea smb_add_request:request [c2723ee0, mid=13199] timed out!
17:36<korre>im getting them every 30 secs
17:37<mykhi>fglrx 8.28.8-4
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17:37<mykhi>fglrx-src is actualy called fglrx-kernel-src
17:38<mykhi>in deb res
17:38<themill>mykhi: you'll need a newer fglrx than that to compile against 2.6.26
17:38<mykhi>ow, i thought its the newset
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17:38<themill>mykhi: 8-7-1 or 8-7-2 is required, aiui
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17:38<hahnp>korre, there could be a rights problem
17:39<hahnp>do you have the access to the directory which you use in smb
17:39<korre>its sett to 777
17:39<hahnp>is the download starting and stops after 30secs or is it just waiting 30secs without downloading
17:39<themill>mykhi: see bug #485793
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17:40<grendelson>I was running debian stable for a long time - 2 problems I ran into - My NVIDIA drivers would work fine when installer run but couldn't survive reboot and lost ability to burn DL DVD's - upgraded to testing and both problems appeared to disappear. Somehow now on testing I'm back where I started... I can't burn DL DVD and my Nvidia drivers won't survive a reboot - they seem to install OK when I run installer- I'm looking for ideas on
17:40<grendelson>I'm assuming it's modules or kernel version or something along those lines.
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17:40<grendelson>currently running 2.6.26-4
17:41<korre>its starting ok if i sett it to a lower speed i kan gett it to go upp to a 150 megs butt eventualy the computers network whill lock upp and i cant acses it from ssh or annith
17:41<korre>annything
17:41<korre>and when i plugg in the monithor the screen is full whitt thimeout messeges
17:42<themill>grendelson: I'll take a guess that running the nvidia installer is where your problem lies. /msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks
17:42<mykhi>themill, do you know fglrx drivers other then deb reps?
17:42<mykhi>do you know where to get*
17:42<themill>mykhi: what's wrong with the ones in the repos?
17:42<mykhi>well its older
17:42<themill>!info fglrx-kernel-src
17:43<dpkg>fglrx-kernel-src: (kernel module source for the non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 1:8-7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
17:43<themill>dpkg: you're slow
17:43<dpkg>No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1!
17:43<mykhi>lol
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17:43<themill>mykhi: are you running etch?
17:44<mykhi>i installed debian yesterday from downloaded 2 days ago netinstal
17:44<mykhi>i dont really know the code names >>
17:44<mykhi>_Etch-and-a-half
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17:45<themill>mykhi: and yet you've managed to recompile your kernel and cause yourself problems by doing so in the process....
17:45<mykhi>thats all me
17:47<themill>mykhi: to get fglrx working with that kernel, you can try backporting the sid package. I know the 8.47 fglrx backports OK to etch as I made the backport myself, but I'm not sure if the latest package will compile against etch's xorg. (welcome to non-free software). /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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17:47<mykhi>ouch
17:48<hahnp>korre, maybe its not a smb problem?
17:48<themill>mykhi: it should work out, but you never know...
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17:48<korre>maybe not butt its smb who is giving me the error messeges
17:49<mykhi>so what i have to do is to download older fglrx package
17:49<mykhi>and to try to install it
17:49<korre>the programes running are apache2 bittornado and Torrentflux
17:50<themill>mykhi: no, you need to try to get the latest fglrx from debian unstable (aka sid) and recompile it for debian stable (etch)
17:50<hahnp>and where is the smb problem?
17:50<mykhi>ow
17:50<mykhi>that should be too hard
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17:50<hahnp>when bittornardo is trying to safe on the smb stuff?
17:50<variable>where can i get nice screensavers for etch
17:50<korre>yea
17:51<korre>butt itt do maneghe to save some
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17:52<grendelson>themill: I hadn't realized the Nvidia installer was SUCH a problem - I always used the debian nvidia drivers then forgot and grabbed Nvidia drivers when I wanted to play a game ---oooopps
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17:52<grendelson>-I'm trying to get Debian package on now!
17:52<grendelson>(I even have the old one-liner saved t omy home for upgrades :-)
17:52<themill>:)
17:52<mykhi>themill, 'apt-cache show fglrx-kernel-src' tells me it has Version: 8.28.8-4
17:52<mykhi>on sid
17:53<themill>err no. If you added a deb-src line for sid as dpkg instructed, it won't show you the package version in apt-cache policy
17:53<hahnp>korre, did you try to add some files to the smb manually not using the torrent
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17:54<mykhi>yea i did
17:54<mykhi>deb-src http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib
17:54<hahnp>that works?
17:54<mykhi>and did apt-get update
17:54<korre>yea i can mkdir
17:54<themill>mykhi: that looks fine. But that only gives you access to *source* packages for recompiling them, but apt-cache show tells you about *binary* packages. (try apt-cache showsrc though :)
17:54<grendelson>Drats - nvidia lernel source failed to build!
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17:55<grendelson>I have gcc pointing to 4.1 since hte kernel was built with 4. (but 4.3 is installled)
17:55<hahnp>yes and copy stuff there you said the timeout appears if the file is more than 15mb
17:55<hahnp>i would try that...
17:55<martinah>hi. can I somehow prevent apt from using those pdiff-files and instead do the update 'oldschool' style?
17:55<mykhi>Version: 1:8-7-2 :D
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17:56<hahnp>korre, thats a tricky problem without seeing something
17:57<hahnp>can you show me your smb.conf?
17:57<mykhi>k, doing m-a a-i fglrx-kernel-src, but it wants to download/upgrade like 50mb of packets
17:57<mykhi>should i go back to etch first?
17:57<mykhi>or let it
17:58<mykhi>it also wants to remove linux-kernel-headers
17:58<hahnp>no risk no fun :D
17:58<mykhi>i can have fun with no risk too ;P
17:58<themill>mykhi: ahh... you didn't compile the kernel using kernel-package did you. :(
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17:58<mykhi>nope i didnt
17:59<mykhi>i compiled using make menuconfig, make, make modules_install >>
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17:59<mykhi>it also wants to upgrade my gcc and g++ packets
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17:59<mykhi>so it will be different than what i used to compile kernel, i hope it wont matter? >>
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18:01<themill>it shouldn't be trying to upgrade gcc etc. But I can understand it being confused about the kernel headers.
18:01<mykhi>no i mean moudule-assistant is
18:01<mykhi>thru apt-get
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18:02<mykhi>ow my
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18:02<mykhi>it says
18:02<mykhi>actually it turned on libc6 (whatever this is) configurator
18:03<mykhi>and it says it has to stop proftpd and gdm before continuing
18:03<mykhi>I: Direct installation failed, trying to post-install the dependencies
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18:04<mykhi>im so gona regret it >>
18:05<grendelson>themill - I am using the post etch one-liner and the kernel-source compile keeps failing. I'm not really sure how to track down the erros (i see a lot of errors) but I'm nto sure where it starts....
18:06<mykhi>huh
18:06<mykhi>Setting up fglrx-kernel-2.6.26.3 (8-7-2) ...
18:06<mykhi>i think it worked o0
18:06<themill>grendelson: I know little about nvidia other than it's harder to set up in lenny than it should be at present. You (like mykhi here) probably have a problem with a kernel/driver version incompatibility. /msg dpkg nvidia lenny
18:06<mykhi>hell yea, fglrx in modconf
18:06<themill>mykhi: sounds like it
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18:07<dmoerner>grendelson: pastebin the whole error
18:07<mykhi>almost
18:07<mykhi>modprobe failed
18:07<mykhi>FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26.3/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
18:08<Lethalman>omg ati rules
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18:09<themill>mykhi: either you're not root or you've currently got the radeon and drm modules already loaded
18:09<mykhi>i have the radeon modules loaded
18:09<grendelson>dmoerner : Thanks I will ... I have no graphic window so It may take a minute to get there...
18:10<mykhi>FATAL: Module drm is in use.
18:10<mykhi>me thinks i have to turn off x
18:10<mykhi>so brb
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18:10<Lethalman>mykhi, replace radeon with fglrx in xorg.conf and restart
18:10<Lethalman>yay
18:10<Lethalman>anyway open source drivers for ATI in mesa/X of experimental rules guys
18:10<Lethalman>really...
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18:12<mykhi>im like back
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18:15<mykhi>seems its working ;)
18:15<mykhi>themill, i owe you beer or something!
18:15<themill>mykhi: heh :) glad you're up and running now.
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18:16<mykhi>what was that command glxgears or sth like that
18:16<mykhi>ow it was glxgears ;)
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18:17<grendelson>I have text cmd line only at this time.
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18:17<grendelson>How do I copy the entire build output from a text fiel to paste bin ( I tried hiliting it all in VIM but that didn't work when I tried to paste in other cmd line...
18:18<themill>grendelson: many of the pastebins will let you upload a file
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18:19<grendelson>themill I'm using lync to go to paste.debian.net - without an X based browser I can't see an upload option.
18:19<grendelson>I mean lynx
18:20<themill>grendelson: cat filename | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234
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18:20<themill>or http://pastebin.ca/upload.php
18:20<grendelson>ok thanks!
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18:22<grendelson>I'll be back...
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18:26<grendelson>SOrry - do you ming posting hte pastebin that can accept and upload from the cmd line again ? I had t reboot...
18:27<dmoerner>grendelson: 15:20 < themill> grendelson: cat filename | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234
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18:27<themill>[23:20] <themill> or http://pastebin.ca/upload.php
18:28<grendelson>http://rafb.net/p/A2zozf53.html <-- here is the build error from nvidia source under lenny....
18:29<Lethalman>lol rafb.net at the end :)
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18:33<grendelson>themill : Can you see the problem when I try to compile nvida kernel-source?
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18:36<grendelson>I pasted the output from my kernel-source compile failing under lenny....
18:36<grendelson>I then had to reboot - I hope the URL is still here....
18:37<themill>grendelson: what version of the nvidia drivers is this for?
18:37<grendelson>?
18:37<grendelson>themill I am using hte post-etch one liner to install
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18:38<themill>grendelson: there is no nvidia one liner for lenny. As I said, /msg dpkg nvidia lenny. What version of nvidia-kernel-source do you have?
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18:39<grendelson>themill Sorry missed that - I used the post-etch one liner... I'll look up that one... one sec on the version....
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18:39<grendelson>ii nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.8776-4
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18:42<themill>grendelson: so that's the version from etch, and that won't compile with the 2.6.26 kernel that you're trying to use here. You need to backport the package from sid.
18:43<grendelson>themill : Followig the lenny_1 and lenny_2 ?
18:43<grendelson>ok
18:43<themill>yep
18:43<grendelson>wow
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18:44<grendelson>themill : have you also seen this problem having any effector in relation ro DVD burners - here;s why I ask - I wwasn't able to burn DL dvds for a time - I upgraded to testing and it worked again. I started getting hte problem with Nvidia driver and DL dvds aren't burning again -seems like more than concidence...
18:45<themill>doesn't seem likely
18:45<grendelson>or do you know why DL DVDs that were burning fine may suddently stop? Is it typically kernel or software or firmawrae gosh it didn't work -I upgraded, it worked, and now today it doesnt work...
18:45<grendelson>getting frustrating...
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18:49<enouf>grendelson: that is just too friggin whacky
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18:50<grendelson>enouf : After that night I spent upgrading to Lenny I burnt a DL DVD - it's sitting right here otherwise I'd be convinced I'm crazy
18:50<grendelson>Now today I tried to burn one and it failed again with similiar error previously seen.
18:51<enouf>grendelson: were/are you always using the same burning app? how about the media? are you using different blanks? Have you flashed your drive? or use any kind of tools to help with region settings?
18:51<grendelson>The drive is the same, the media has had a dozen or so good burns , no flashing , no region settings jsut burning a dvdsized iso....
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18:52<grendelson>the kernel has changed and possibly software versions (upgrades using stable then lenny
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18:53<grendelson>enouf - sorry misread - yes always using Gnomebaker and jsut choosing Burn DVD ISO after creating 4+ GB iso...
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18:54<grendelson>Has always worked - then stopped.. that promtped me to run upgrades and switch to lenny to see if I hat hit a kernel problem. Worked right after finishing upgrde - now it won't
18:55<erKURITA>your system has a love-hate relationship with you, it seems
18:56<grendelson>erKURITA - when it's hate it almost goes out the window. when it's love it works so well! sheesh
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19:00<enouf>grendelson: after finishing upgrades, but prior to a reboot into newest kernel?
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19:01<grendelson>enouf- no many reboots
19:01<enouf>grendelson: "Worked right after finishing upgrde - now it won't" <== i'm referring to that
19:01<grendelson>only one kernel runnign now - I was out of space on boot and / if you recall - I moved and resized both and now have lots of room but only 2.4.26-4 kernel
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19:02<enouf>oh, you're the new parted guy ;-)
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19:02<amphi>enouf: haha
19:02<grendelson>enouf Yeah - fell in love with parted since I didn't have to rebuild a single drive like i would have just a few years ago
19:03<grendelson>(I came from windows admin so rebuilding partitions after runnign out of space was the SOP)
19:03<grendelson>:-)
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19:03<qq->!SOP
19:03<dpkg>i heard sop is Standard Operating Procedure
19:04<enouf>but it's possible even your app changed something between versions prior/after your upgrade - review the changlogs (for all related burning software), but also tell me the kernel versions (workey vs no workey)
19:04<grendelson>OK I got lenny/nvidia installed - now I have to test and see if X survives a reboot... that is the test for me . I'll be back hopefully on Xirc
19:04<grendelson>enouf I believe it was 2.6.18 that worked 2.6.26-1-686 is what I have now
19:05<qq->mostly the same ...
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19:05<iron>hi
19:06<enouf>grendelson: 2.6.18 is an etch kernel - i thought you said you upgraded to Lenny at it "started working again" .. then only broke after this latest round of upgrades
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19:07<iron>do anybody knows a debugger who can debugger daemon-process?
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19:09<Nemoder>gdb?
19:09<iron>nope
19:09<iron>gdb no way
19:10<themill>why not?
19:10<[machine]>iron: sure it can
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19:10<grendelson>enouf Crud! I can't reboot into X, fails sayign that no dev/nvidiactl is found...
19:11<grendelson>When I run the steps to install (modprobe etc) the drivers I can recycle gdm and X starts fine. but not on reboot....
19:11<iron>i cannot step through childprocess
19:11<enouf>grendelson: listen, as of right now, i have my own mplayer and compiling issues (plus many other things going on - some are nonsense), i just saw your posts in passing ...
19:11<grendelson>crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 195, 255 2008-09-07 18:07 /dev/nvidiactl
19:11<[machine]>iron: you need to tell it to follow child processes
19:11<grendelson>enouf Oh nP!
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19:12<iron>[machine] how can i do this ?
19:12<enouf>grendelson: plus, i don't use the 3D BLOBs .. ;-)
19:12<iron>eg. in eclipse
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19:13<grendelson>I ran all the lenny-nvidia steps to install nvidia kernel module. WHen I load kernel mod and recycle gdm X works just fine. However when I reboot I lose X and the error appears to be that no /dev/nvidiactl is found. But I have that file present!
19:13<[machine]>iron: depends what exactly you need, but try help obscure
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19:13<natanael>yes
19:14<enouf>grendelson: see if something is loading from /etc/modules that should'nt be
19:14<grendelson>enouf - good idea!
19:14<grendelson>I did have the NVIDIA installed drivers and they might be loading something else...;
19:14<natanael>Hi.Wath is your name ??
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19:14<[machine]>iron: also... set follow-fork-mode child
19:15<iron>[machine]: i know my daemon works but i wrote some other function this also works but i included this funktion in my daemon than ... i have a problem
19:16<iron>therefore i try to use a debugger
19:16<natanael>yes, are your from brazil
19:16<grendelson>enouf - I had nvidia as hte last line then a space and then nvidia again!. I removed the last one and the blank line - ran modprobe and restarte gdm and it runs fine...
19:16<grendelson>I
19:16<grendelson>m gonna try reboot again!
19:16<natanael>thank you
19:18<abrotman>natanael: this is not a chat channel . this is for support
19:18<iron>[machine] k thy
19:19<[machine]>iron: the other thing you could do...put a sleep in the child straight after the fork()
19:19<[machine]>and then connect gdb to the child process directly
19:20<natanael>yes
19:20<natanael>now i am are you
19:20<amphi>!br
19:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:20<iron>[machine] i'll try it
19:20<enouf>natanael: shaddup already ffs
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19:35<seeker>ok i have my driver for by brother loaded. but i still can not send a job to it. it is hanging on an xp box
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19:35<dmoerner>seeker: is the samba share password protected?
19:36<seeker>dmoerner: I am a newbie how would I find that out
19:36<dmoerner>ask the owner of the xp box?
19:37<seeker>no the xp box is not password protected.
19:39<dmoerner>seeker: how did you set up the printer on the linux machine? did you use localhost:631 or another gui?
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19:40<seeker>localhost:631 and I also attempted through my gnome desktop--printing option
19:40<seeker>neither way was successful
19:40<variable>mounting a ntfs, what umask for?
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19:41<christoz>abrotman, no errors for another user
19:41<christoz>abrotman, what went wrong ?
19:42<abrotman>christoz: you could try to mv your .gnome .. but that would can all your settings
19:42<abrotman>does gnome lock? or crash?
19:42<dmoerner>seeker: when you did gnome desktop -> printing did you select a samba printer?
19:43<christoz>what do you mean with the word lock?
19:43<christoz>i think the right one is crash
19:43<seeker>dmoerner: yes windows(smb)
19:43<christoz>or stop loading
19:43<dmoerner>seeker: that's odd then i
19:43<dmoerner>don't know why it wouldn't be working
19:44<seeker>i typed in the uri as ipp://ipaddressofboxprinterhangs/ipp
19:44<christoz>the first thing i did , was to delete the .gnome and .gnome2 folder @ /home , (same thing happened when i was usig ubuntu, and that worked)
19:45<christoz>(...using...)*
19:45<dmoerner>seeker: if you select smb then the uri should be smb://domain/machine/printername
19:46<seeker>ok i will try that i am adding it now
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19:46<christoz>abrotman, i was expecing OS to remake a new .gnome folder with the default settings, but no progress
19:46<christoz>expecting*
19:47<abrotman>what about .gconf ?
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19:47<christoz>no i didn't delete this one
19:48<christoz>abrotman, are you saying that this is the folder i shoud erase?
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19:49<christoz>ok i'll see what happens
19:49<christoz>brb
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19:50<seeker>dmoerner: when i choose windows(smb) it then asks for host, printer name, user and password for server. I then choose forward to select the brother print driver and then when I hit apply the screen goes away and nothing else appears.
19:50<dmoerner>seeker: really? are you on etch? on sid at least it just says URI: and then you can select username/password if needed. if the etch frontend is different i have no idea how to use it
19:52<seeker>yes i am on etch. it shows a uri when cups printer(IPP) is selected should I tri the smb: there?
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19:54<dmoerner>seeker: yes
19:55<seeker>well i tried it that way and my printer is not printing a test page. so I will start from scratch. How do I delete printers. I have tried deleting one and it says that it can not find it in the class
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20:01<Juniper>I'm trying to install debian on my Acer Aspire One netbook and I get an error saying it cannot detect the Network/Ethernet card. Any ideas?
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20:03<dmoerner>Juniper: are you using the lenny images?
20:03<Juniper>yep
20:03<Juniper>I've tried both Lenny Beta 2 and ...
20:03<Juniper>1.0r4
20:03<Juniper>i mean 4.0r4**
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20:04<dmoerner>Juniper: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne says that lenny beta 2 image should work fine
20:04<dmoerner>maybe a lenny daily is needed actually
20:04<Juniper>when I tried installing 4.0r4 it gave an error during the Downloading the Software process and it halted the installation, and it simply installed the base system
20:05<dmoerner>you should definitely use lenny
20:05<Juniper>so I tried installing 4.0r4 again but it wasn't detecting my DHCP network for some reason, even though it detected it the first time
20:05<Juniper>so my friend suggested Lenny from there
20:05<Juniper>I'll check this wiki
20:06<Juniper>It is critical that the kernel version in the boot.img.gz image and the net-install ISO are the same! If they are not the same, the installer will not be able to detect your hardware and will fail before it gets anywhere.
20:06<Juniper>maybe I did that wrong
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20:08<Juniper>How can I make sure of this?
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20:08<Juniper>Just download whats on the site?
20:08<Juniper>A friend of mine simply sent me the links for the boot.img file and the netinst iso, I didnt find them myself
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20:10<qq->Juniper: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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20:13<variable>i mounted ntfs but i can just read from it how can change that i could write and delete files?
20:14<qq->!ntfs-3g
20:14<dpkg>well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
20:16<variable>no i find-out that i mounte it on /mnt which doesn't alow othert to write :]
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20:17<variable>hmm strange
20:17<seeker>how do I get xchat to show the people that are available
20:17<erKURITA>what do you mean with "avaliable" ?
20:18<qq->seeker: keeping default settings
20:18<seeker>the people that are in the chat area
20:18<abrotman>seeker: View->User List
20:18<seeker>abrotman: I do not have user list under view
20:19<abrotman>which version of debian is that?
20:19<upsilon>is this xchat or xchat-gnome?
20:19<seeker>abrotman: 2.6
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20:19<abrotman>version of debian
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20:20<seeker>upsilon: i loaded it via apt-get install xchat and I am using gnome
20:20<seeker>abrotman: yes
20:20<abrotman>no
20:20<abrotman>version of debian
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20:20<seeker>abrotman: how do I find that out
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20:20<variable>why i can't to change user's file permissions with root's right?
20:20<abrotman>seeker: you don't have a "View" menu on the top ?
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20:21<seeker>abrotman: yes and I have userlis buttons checked
20:21<abrotman>then you slid it closed
20:21<abrotman>uncheck it .. then recheck it
20:22<seeker>abrotman: I maximized window and then siled window to left and voila there it is. thanks wish my other problem with my printer would be that simple.
20:22*abrotman doesn't own a printer
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20:24<Juniper>dmoerner: I was reading the wiki you sent me and it says this: When presented with the boot menu, you may need to pass "noacpi" to the kernel to get the Ethernet card to work. What does it mean?
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20:28<Juniper>Anyone else can help me with that? Here's the wiki dmoerner sent me: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne
20:28<Juniper>This is the exact problem I was running into when installing Lenny in my computer: it wasn't reading the Ethernet card.
20:28<abrotman>Juniper: hit F1 .. it should give you "Help"
20:29<Juniper>Okay, you mean before starting the installation process?
20:30<abrotman>yes
20:31<Juniper>Alrighty, I might try it now without re-making the LiveUSB
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20:32<Juniper_>Hmm, I'm in o_o
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20:35<Juniper_>Ugh, I don't get it. I don't understand Linux very well...
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20:38<upsilon>cli aptitude tells me that there's x new packages, but is there a command that makes it output what they are?
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20:41<avu>upsilon, aptitude search '~N'
20:42<upsilon>thanks
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20:48<variable>i've got an err when i did update with aptitude ""W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
20:49<variable>how to solve this problem?
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20:49<dmoerner>variable: checkout the topic
20:49<abrotman>variable: read the backports.org website .. it tells you how to fix that
20:49<variable>thanks
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21:09<simpson>are there deb packages for etoile?
21:10<abrotman>packages.debian.org
21:10<abrotman>seems not
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21:16<deco>q?
21:16<abrotman>!ask
21:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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21:31<Juniper_>Can anyone tell me how to pass "noacpi" to the kernel when loading a netinst of Lenny?
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21:39<asa>has anybody here used ndiswrapper?
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21:43<abrotman>ask a better question
21:44<dmoerner>Juniper: when you boot in grub, hit "e" to edit the entries, go down to the kernel line, and then append noacpi (or it might be acpi=off...i can't remember) to the line. then press enter to save it and b to boot
21:44<asa>ok, sorry, i'm trying to install ndiswrapper and nevermind i just figured it out, lol
21:44<asa>i think....
21:44<Juniper>Okay, I will try this dmoerner. Thank you.
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21:45<flypiper>Juniper, your sure that the bootimg.gz.drive.imge has the same kernel as the netinst.iso your installing??
21:46<flypiper>Juniper, there is a CRITICAL note that they must be the same or the installer won't detect your hardware
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21:46<dmoerner>Juniper: oh wait is this off of a livecd? in that case do what abrotman told you earlier. hit F1 at the syslinux splash screen
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21:46<dmoerner>not livecd but the debian installer. sorry for the typo
21:46<abrotman>it's off the instlaler AFAIK
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21:49<Juniper>I am not sure, I'll be honest.
21:49<Juniper>But I'd like to try this method first, before rewriting the USB drive, since it takes some times.
21:49<Juniper>I downloaded the files on the Wiki, which I assume have the same kernel...
21:49<Juniper>So if this doesn't work, I'll make a new Live USB stick using those two files.
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21:50<asa>ok, so here is my question, i'm trying to compile and run a ndiswrapper module and i'm having an issue now finding my source for my current kernel in a .deb package can i use the one from kernel.org with the same version number?
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21:52<asa>because i know there are some modifications to the code for the debian kernels...... or at least i am pretty sure there are...
21:52<asa>cd /lib/modules/
21:52<asa>ls
21:53<asa>:(!!!!! oops, gotta get used to linux again :(
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21:56<asa>ok, i didn't want to have to but i guess i'll just download the newest stable kernel and recompile it and build the module for that kernel..... sorry to waste your time :)
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21:56<Juniper_>Dangit, I'm connected using the neighbors wireless on this computer and it went out of range ;_;
21:57<Juniper_>Oh and I'm ghosted...
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21:58<Juniper_>dmoerner: I hit F1 and it takes me to a Help screen that (tries to) explains things to me, but I don't see a boot/kernel line where I can enter w.e I need to enter.
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22:02<Juniper_>Is it simply pressing Esc like a friend told me to? When I try to load the Installer, I press Esc, and it gives me a "boot: _" line. I read the Help section when I pressed F1 and from what I understand I have to specific what kind of installation I want and the "boot parameters" i.e. "boot: install noacpi" (this is what I got, but I'm not sure if I'm right...)
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22:05<Juniper_>hm, It's noapic, not noacpi ._.
22:07<abrotman>big difference
22:08<Juniper_>well I'm trying it again T_T
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22:08<abrotman>P_P
22:08<Juniper>Ugh, you have no idea how hard its been to fix this computer. I deleted Firefox 2 and the whole linux system went to hell.
22:09<Juniper>Do not remove Firefox 2 if you have one of these Netbooks >_<
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22:10<Juniper>My other computer is a Mac so I'm limited as to what I can do to fix it. Debian was a good choice cause I can make the live usb's for it on Mac.
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22:10<flypiper>Juniper, your not running Debian on your Mac?
22:10<Juniper>No, I run Mac OS X >_>
22:10<flypiper>you should... it's sweeeet
22:11<Juniper>Lol
22:11<Juniper>I wonder
22:11<Juniper>If I put Debian on here
22:11<flypiper>download a live CD and check it out
22:11<Juniper>If I could run unetbootin and make a liveUSB
22:11<Juniper>But I doubt it :(
22:12<Juniper>(I have a PPC Mac)
22:12<Juniper>Crap, it didn't work. I'm making a new USB thing.
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22:16<jon_>i have only one NIC currently installed in my system, and a udev rule exists naming it eth0 by its mac-address.. nonetheless, the device gets renamed to eth1 during startup
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23:05<qq->jon_: found the hack ?
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23:13<jon_>qq-: unfortunately not :(
23:14<qq->just delete the contents of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules,. and reboot
23:14<jon_>i removed the entire file
23:14<jon_>udev still renames the device
23:14<jon_>i'm going crazy over here ;)
23:15<qq->after reboot , udev still renames ?
23:16<jon_>yeah..
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23:18<jon_>its a network boot setup, so as i think about it i'm confused on how the udev-rules can be accessed at that point
23:18<jon_>the interface needs to be properly configured to mount the root-filesystem via nfs
23:19<qq->some times i need to do that trick many times/ many reboots ...
23:19<jon_>as the interface cant be configured due to the namechange, how could the rulefiles affect naming ? :o
23:19<damo>hey
23:19<damo>whats a operating system like ubuntu? with a desktop interface?
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23:19<damo>ecept debain coz i have problems with it
23:20<jon_>suse i guess
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23:20<dmoerner>damo: ask in #linux. we like debian here.
23:21<qq->jon_: do my trick , some times , to fix first eth0, than fix nfs
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23:26<jon_>qq-: yeah thx anyway
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23:27<qq->np
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23:28<Juniper_>dmoerner: Just a heads up: I had to re-make the USB. Seems like the kernels were different after all. I did that and it recognized my Ethernet card. It's downloading software right now, but its going to be awhile.
23:28<dmoerner>at least it's working
23:29<Juniper_>Yes, but this is where the original debian install failed, while downloading/installing software, so I can only hope ;_;
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