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---Logopened Mon Sep 08 00:00:15 2008
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00:00<dpkg>hmm... fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement
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00:37<damo>whats a website address to download the full dvd of Debian
00:40<dmoerner> has everything neatly organized by architecture
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00:42<damo>di u down the 3 dvds>
00:42<damo>and the update?
00:43<dmoerner>what does di u mean?
00:43<damo>'when dowloading debian
00:43<damo>is there only 3 cds?
00:43<dmoerner>3 dvds of binaries yes
00:44<damo>do u need to update?
00:44<dmoerner>no, not for a fresh instal
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00:53<cTATU1>How can I find my monitor/printer pixel-per-inch resolution?
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00:57<cTATU1>i think it's maybe 300
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00:58<acu>hey guys - I am running Lenny on an AMD Athlon - and the Iceweasel freezes very often - more clearly is when I play youtube movies - any hint why ?
01:00<cTATU1>adobe sucks
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01:12<donny>greetings all. i have some questions about 802.11 device support. i've got a Linksys WUSB54G here, and I've built and installed the rt2500 module using module-assistant. i also have wireless-tools installed (apparently; the iwconfig command is available) but when i plug in my WUSB54G, although its lights turn on and dmesg shows some infos about a USB device, i have no new networking interfaces named /dev/ethN. can anyone help?
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01:31<chealer>donny: just ask your question
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02:52<pabs>is there any desktop photo management app for gnome that doesn't use mono stuff?
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02:54<twb>Can I interact with a perforce repository using a DFSG client?
02:56<Lethalman>pabs, dfo + flickr?
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03:04<pabs>Lethalman: that uses mono
03:07<Lethalman>pabs, ah :S
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03:15<etchgroup>how are you ?
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03:20<etchgroup>how I doing for stop my ssh tunnel ? please
03:21<etchgroup>because when I use /etc/init.d/ssh stop
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03:22<etchgroup>and after I try to reconnect my tunnel I have an error that say : bind : address already in use
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03:24<jm_>just stop the ssh process used to establish a tunnel
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03:25<etchgroup>but the process change at all connexion
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03:26<etchgroup>Because I can't kill by the process name
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03:29<jm_>you can simply do it on the client side
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03:35<tzafrir_laptop>etchgroup, what do you mean by "ssh tunnel"?
03:36<tzafrir_laptop>tunnel on top of an ssh connection?
03:36<tzafrir_laptop>Doesn't it have its own init.d script?
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03:38<etchgroup>I did it
03:38<etchgroup>I have use killall ssh
03:38<etchgroup>and after I have write in a script my command for reconnect me
03:38<etchgroup>thanks you
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03:44<tzafrir_laptop>etchgroup, btw: give openvpn a shot
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03:53<mihkel>Hi. I have two questions.
03:54<mihkel>When lenny will be out, is it with selinux enabled by default?
03:54<mihkel>Adn second one
03:54<aptituz>that were already two questions. :D
03:55<mihkel>after upgrading kernel to 2.6.26, I have [ 14.638796] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting... in demesg
03:55<mihkel>so I have more questions
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03:57<aptituz>about the first question: lenny will be out when its ready. sounds like a RTFM-answer, but it really isn't. its not ready yet. it will not be released. question 2) I doubt that it will be selinux enabled by default, but I don't know. SELInux has been in a bad mood so far and I don't know if it has recovered from this situation atm
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03:58<aptituz>about question 3) just a guess, but do you possibly have pcspkr specified in /etc/modules to be autoloaded? (i think this _could_ conflikt with udev automatically loading the modules)
03:58<twb>aptituz: I get it, too, and it's not listed there
03:58<twb>mihkel: are you on an Eee PC 701?
03:58<aptituz>twb: I was just guessing
03:58<mihkel>it is not listed in modules file
03:59<mihkel>twb, no I am not using Eee pc
03:59<pabs>2.6.26 switched from pcspkr to an alsa module snd_pcsp on my system
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03:59<mihkel>I even don't know what pckpkr is
03:59<jm_>yeah that's a known thing that can hit people with generic distro kernels
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04:00<pabs>mihkel: it is a kernel module for the pc-speaker
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04:01<jm_>look in /proc/asound/cards
04:02<mihkel> 0 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SB Live 5.1 Dell OEM [SB0220]
04:02<mihkel> SB Live 5.1 Dell OEM [SB0220] (rev.10, serial:0x80661102) at 0xd000, irq 10
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04:06<jm_>is that the only entry in it? then it doesn't look like alsa speaker driver is loaded
04:06<mihkel>dang, gnome log viewer crashes when I try to look at log files in /vat/log/gdm. Can anyone confirm that?
04:06<mihkel>jm_, this the only entry
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04:28<kudecnik>who knows how can I enaable 2d acceleration on my ATI Radeon 9600
04:29<jm_>many people do
04:29<kudecnik>i have install 3d propriaritar drivers from ATI
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04:30<kudecnik>ok. It is very good )
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04:31<kudecnik>what must I do ti enable hardware 2d accel ?
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04:34<jm_>install radeon driver and tell x server to use it
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04:36<kudecnik>it use it. Beryll & emerald works well ... but DVD works slow ((
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04:36<jm_>what kind of cpu do you have?
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04:37<kudecnik>CPU0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.60GHz stepping 09
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04:50<kudecnik>is there anybody?
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05:11<Tengu>hello world
05:11<themill>dpkg, greet Tengu
05:11<dpkg>Nihao, Tengu
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05:12<Tengu>konnichiwa minna-sama ;)
05:12<Tengu>I have a question regarding apt configuration, "proxy" part in fact.
05:13<Tengu>at work, we have a proxy for apt; we set it up into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy
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05:13<Tengu>but, as many of us use laptops, we have some problem when we go back at home, as proxy isn't available anymore...
05:14<Tengu>is there a tip to tell apt "IF this proxy is available, just use it, else go direct to package servers" ?
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05:23<themill>Tengu: apt will also use the http_proxy environment variable, perhaps changing that between home/not-home would be easier. (I don't know of a way to do what you are asking directly)
05:23<Tengu>themill: hm.... and how to set it up automatically ?
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05:24<Tengu>the thing is, we manage over than 40 workstations under ubuntu [as it uses apt, I came here, answers will be much better than on #ubuntu channels -.-']
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05:26<Tengu>themill: maybe through a post-up script in /etc/network/if-up.d ?
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05:27<themill>yeah, that could work. Are you using something like cron-apt? There might be hooks in that for you to use.
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05:29<Tengu>mmm. not cron-apt, but unattended-upgrades
05:29<noflash>!tell Tengu -about ubuntu
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05:29<Tengu>noflash: I know. but bases are the same, for things like apt...
05:29<Tengu>[and I _far_ prefere debian...]
05:29<noflash>Tengu, doesn't matter
05:30<cTATU1>Why isn't flashplugin-nonfree not listed as a non-free package by `vrms` ?
05:30<themill>Tengu: still... if you want help from #debian, it's polite to install debian :)
05:30<Tengu>themill: ;) we have it on servers.
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05:32<Tengu>but in fact... using a post-up script in if-up.d can simply add or remove proxy config in apt. as our proxy is not for "web browsing" [don't ask me why, I'm not the "network architect" in here...]
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05:40<damo>how do i check what motherboard i have?
05:40<damo>on ubuntu
05:41<avu>damo, you ask #ubuntu
05:41<avu>damo, this is #debian
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05:43<variable>!http cache cleaner
05:43<variable>!http-cache cleaner
05:44<variable>hmm what is for that http-cache cleaner?
05:45<themill>variable: what http cache cleaner?
05:46<variable>i don't know it runs sometimes for short period
05:47<themill>variable: is this a question about squid? about the apt cache? about iceweasel?
05:48<variable>i'm asking it is it because i don't know what is it and why he is running without my permission
05:48<Tengu>variable: it comes from kde apps
05:49<Tengu>variable: such as amarok, kopete.... as soon as you launch a kde app, it will launch it.
05:49<Tengu>and under gnome desktop, you will see the window listed.
05:49<variable>i use ktorrent
05:49<Tengu>that's it ;)
05:49<variable>hmm so what for this http-cach cleaner is?
05:50<Tengu>maybe ask kde developpers.
05:50<Tengu>there are some threads on I remember.
05:52<themill>variable: well whenever you visit a website or stuff is downloaded for you it's saved to disk so that the next time you want it you can have it faster/easier/etc. But you don't want to fill your disk with that muck so you need to clean up occasionally.
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05:54<zep^>has anyone tried to use the wireless network on debian lenny with a thinkpad t61 ? i'm having trouble with the guide @ , when I try make patch_kernel i get errors saying that the rsync command doesnt exist
05:55<themill>zep^: for the 4965 in lenny, just /msg dpkg iwlwifi
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05:55<themill>there's nothing really to do... no rsync required
05:57<zep^>Thank you themill
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06:04<Tengu>variable: by the way, you can avoid this window to be shown in your windows list. I don't remember which one and where to add it, but just google a bit and you'll find it I guess. it's in a ".desktop" file.
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06:13<variable>Tengu, X-KDE-StartupNotify=false
06:13<variable>it was on /usr/share/services
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06:14<Tengu>variable: yeah, but it's a KDE variable, not understood by gnome.
06:14<Tengu>variable: -> there's another one for gnome.
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06:15<Tengu>dig into I remember seeing it on it.
06:16<variable>well i'm looking there but no luck
06:17<variable>this is one of solution but it doesn't work for me
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06:20<variable>yes i saw it
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06:22<Tengu>but indeed, solutions don't seem to work. in fact I do have this problem as I use amarok all the time, but it doesn't annoy me.
06:23<Tengu>so. now, let's write an if-up script adding/removing apt proxy config.
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06:37<eddieB>what's the best website or book to teach me how to write scripts?
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06:58<Carlos_>is there a way to recover a modified file?
06:58<Carlos_>I want to undo the last modification
06:58<themill>yes, from your backup
06:59<Carlos_>that would be great, but I haven't :(
06:59<tralala>Carlos_, then you can't
07:00<Carlos_>is not like a deleted file then?
07:01<Carlos_>it's lost forever?
07:02<tralala>Carlos_, yes
07:03<themill>Carlos_: for future reference, something like rsnapshot to make copies or a version control system like svn or git is a good way of keeping old versions of things around
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07:03<mihkel>some editors create a backup which ends with ~
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07:05<Carlos_>I usually do backups, but this is a testing server that was hacked (or cracked) and they removed what they did in bash_history
07:08<jackyf>Carlos_: what about system logs? authority logs?
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07:13<Carlos_>jackyf, already done that, but bash_history would tell me what exactly he did
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07:16<themill>dpkg, greet jk_
07:16<dpkg>Hello, jk_
07:16<jk_>hi guys
07:16<jk_>i got a small problem here
07:16<jk_>changed frm windows to debian just yday
07:17<jk_>so i dont know how to access my ntfs drive frm debian
07:17<jk_>i have a dual install
07:17<jk_>can u help ?
07:17<dpkg>i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
07:18<jk_>im chkng it :)
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07:19<jk_>is it possible to restrict to read only in ntfs-3g ?
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07:20<jk_>is it possible to restrict to read only in ntfs-3g ?
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07:37<thijs>any body here
07:37<Carlos_>hi thijs
07:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
07:38<thijs>what are the changes debian etch / debian etch and a half
07:38<gsimmons>!tell thijs -about etchnhalf
07:39<thijs>stable ?
07:39<thijs>for production servers
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07:41<thijs>who use lenny here
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07:42<tralala>thijs, for production servers? nobody who's sane
07:42<thijs>just for home server
07:44<tralala>thijs, if downtime and efforts to keep it running are not a problem, then you can use anything
07:45<thijs>when will lenny set to be stable
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07:45<tralala>but if you want stuff to "just work" stable is the closest approximation
07:45<thijs>can send a donation to debian i like the project
07:46<dpkg>methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
07:49<metro-gi>what is the severity to apply a bug when the package depends on a library that need to be patched ?
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07:49<themill>thijs: that would be wonderful. Donations of time, resources and money are all cheerfully accepted: /msg dpkg donate
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07:50<Tengu>just one question : is there a command which only gives "active" IP ? without saying netmask, interface and so on...
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07:50<Tengu>for now, I'm piping ip addr ls into some grep/awk/cut, but it's really ugly
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07:55<thijs>ifconfig |grep
07:55<thijs>ifconfig |grep "ip"
07:55<thijs>ifconfig eth0 |grep "ip"
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07:57<thijs>any debian developers here?
07:58<Tengu>thijs: hm... the same as I use now : ip addr show | egrep '(eth|wlan|wifi|ath).$' | awk '{print $2}' | cut -d '/' -f 1
07:58<tralala>Tengu, that's not exactly pritty, but perhaps an improvement: ip r show dev eth0 | grep src | awk '{print $7}'
07:58<Tengu>tralala: hm, and what if it's eth1? or wlan0? :->
07:59<Tengu>but as I can see... there are no real nice and pretty method :(
07:59<thijs>just create a alias
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07:59<thijs>alias mycommand="stuff |grep stuff"
07:59<thijs>add it in your bash profile
07:59<Tengu>it's not for me, but a system-wide script.
08:00<Tengu>and I'll have to put it in /etc/network/if-up.d
08:00<Tengu>it will set our apt proxy according our network.
08:00<tralala>Tengu, ip r | grep src | awk '{print $3, $9}'
08:01<dpkg>To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;'
08:01<Tengu>hostname -i gives only localhost ip :'(
08:01<Tengu>that's a pitty
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08:01<tralala>yeah, real beauties these once
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08:03<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros
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09:01<gtsouk>Hello, apt-get install nfs-common=1.1.2-6 won't work even though I can find main/n/nfs-utils/nfs-common_1.1.2-6_amd64.deb via ftp, can anyone explain? latest unstable is 1.1.3-2 but that won't work properly with my nfs server
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09:02<jackyf>gtsouk: please look at available versions by "apt-cache policy nfs-common"
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09:04<gtsouk>jackyf: I have already done that. It is not listed. But 1.1.2-6 is available as a deb. Is there a reason why not all versions are installable?
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09:04<epsilon3>hello people!
09:04<jackyf>may be, you have not specified right repository into /etc/apt/sources.list
09:05<jackyf>gtsouk: FYI, you can install deb manually by 'dpkg -i <deb>', but this is not recommended, use it for your own risk
09:05<jackyf>epsilon3: hi
09:05<epsilon3>Hi jackyf!
09:05<jm_>gtsouk: did you run apt-get update?
09:06<epsilon3>I'm puzzled with the ls command on Debian EXT3
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09:07<epsilon3>BTW what other topics are going on? I'll line up before telling mine
09:07<avu>epsilon3, just ask your question
09:09<gtsouk>jm_, jackyf, I had unstable and stable in sources but 1.1.2-6 was in testing. Now it's installable, thanks.
09:10<epsilon3>OK I use 'ls -ld' to see the number of hard links to the inode of a dir just created; and I get 2. One is ".": but what is the other one? find -inum does not help me.
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09:11<gtsouk>epsilon3: maybe the other one would be .. ?
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09:12<epsilon3>Why should it point to the same inode? ls -i tells me that it points to the inode of the upper dir ,as it should
09:12<jm_>epsilon3: you can't create a hard link for a directory
09:12<epsilon3>I don't create hard links ,I'm just reading the ST_NLINK field
09:12<jackyf>epsilon3: 2nd is the exact name of dir?
09:12<epsilon3>if I create a subdir it increases
09:12<jackyf>1st - /home/abc/dir
09:12<jackyf>2nd /home/abc/dir/.
09:13<jm_>that's not called a hard link ...
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09:13<jm_>or actually it is
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09:13<jm_>in struct stat
09:13<epsilon3>OK but I'm running ls -ld on the directory entry itself...
09:13<epsilon3>I do:
09:14<jackyf>epsilon3: hard link count doesn't depend on current directory
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09:14<jackyf>it would be the same for every name
09:15<epsilon3>I can't understand, I'll tell you my example
09:15<epsilon3>mkdir tmpdir
09:15<epsilon3>ls -la tmpdir
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09:16<epsilon3>sorry: ls -lid tmpdir
09:16<epsilon3>491182 drwxr-xr-x 2 <user> <group> etc.
09:16<jackyf>one link: tmpdir
09:16<jackyf>second dir: tmpdir/.
09:17<jackyf>both and the same
09:17<epsilon3>2 should be ST_NLINK, I can read it with a program independent from ls
09:17<jackyf>that's why 2
09:17<epsilon3>but why does it increase with subdirs?
09:17<epsilon3>they do not point to that inode, do they?
09:18<jackyf>because other link appears: tmpdir/subdir/..
09:18<jackyf>it would 3rd, the same, link
09:18<jackyf>to tmpdir
09:18<jackyf>*it would be
09:18<epsilon3>unless the path is split, that's it
09:19<epsilon3>I expected to use ST_NLINK to know the number of items in dir without walking all the dir handle
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09:19<epsilon3>It seems that HFS allows that.
09:19<jsa>hi, if a daemon is installed (apache, bind, named, etc) via apt-get, it is started automatically. How do I suppress (disable) this automatic startup directly after installation?
09:20<jackyf>jsa: policy-rc.d
09:20<epsilon3>update-rc.d remove, jsa
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09:21<epsilon3>Jackyf's better than my, jsa
09:21<epsilon3>(Jackyf's one is better than mine), jsa
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09:22<epsilon3>I wonder: what is the NATURAL way to count items in dirs?
09:22<epsilon3>In the past I used stuff like 'ls | wc -w'
09:23<epsilon3>then I counted items in the dir handle
09:23<jsa>thanks! going through /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz right now :)
09:23<epsilon3>Now I want to use the dir_index option for EXT3
09:24<epsilon3>but then I won' t be able to WALK the dir_index as easily as with a list!
09:27<epsilon3>Maybe I could know what is the size of the dir file itself and knowing the size of the <filename><inode> couples (if it is fixed indeed) estimate the number of bindings in the dir file list?
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09:51<epsilon3>Now I plan to go on with debug2fs and the dump command, so to study the ST_DIR (directory) file after conversion to a S_REG (regular) file.
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10:05<Zathraz>if one adds routes to /etc/network/interfaces. Is it possible to add these to the running OS without issuing an if down/up and without manually adding routes from commandline?
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10:06<Zathraz>so, a kind of reload is what I am looking for where current routes and connection remain
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10:07<cesco>ciao a tutti
10:08<cesco>qualcuno sa come installare una scheda wireless wl 660gt su ubuntu8.04?
10:08<krowaa>engle :P English only
10:08<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:08<meandtheshell3>cesco: you are wrong here / this is #debian
10:08<cesco>you know install wireless wl660gt on ubuntu 8.04?
10:09<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:17<jackyf>too late :(
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10:18<xukun>can anybody please help me expend(make it bigger) my lvm volume please. I don't know how to do it?
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10:19<Zathraz>xukun, isn't that in the howto?
10:20<dpkg>well, lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:,, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>,, IRC: #lvm @
10:20<xukun>Zathraz, I did not found the howto yet
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10:21<jackyf>xukun: what about link on debian-administration?
10:21<jackyf>have you read it?
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10:22<xukun>jackyf, no where can I find that?
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10:22<jackyf>did you read dpkg's message?
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10:23<Tengu>lvmresize -L <added size><unit> </dev/vgX/volume> isn't it
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10:23<xukun>jackyf, ah yes I see it now I missed that. Thanks a lot I will read that
10:24<Tengu>then a resize for the very filesystem... and that's done :->
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10:24<tralala>Tengu, it isn't generally
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10:29<unfo>hi all. 1. I'm on mixed etch/lenny on a desktop PC. I know lenny's unsupported. At startup I see "/scripts/init-premount/udev: 17: udevd: not found"; later, "Begin: Waiting for root file system..." then nothing progresses. I've tried waiting 30 sec there; to no avail. Why?
10:29<unfo>2. Also: I noticed line 17 of /scripts/init-premount/udev says "udevd --daemon". But udevd is in the "/" directory of the initramfs. So how could the script find udevd without specifying the path to the file?
10:30<tralala>unfo, you can't mix etch and lenny
10:31<unfo>i know
10:31<tralala>you do now, don't you?
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10:32<unfo>i have known for a long time running a mixed system was bad. But here I had limited choice: I have less than 500MB free in my Linux partition, and I don't care enough about the machine to run gparted.
10:32<unfo>So I decided to upgrade in stages.
10:33<unfo>I can still boot the machine with the old kernel (but X doesn't start). But I want to make the machine be able to boot with the new kernel.
10:33<unfo>Anyone have any ideas re. my original questions 1 or 2? :)
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10:34<xukun>jackyf, Zathraz thanks guys that was really cool thing to do. In a second I made my volume 20g bigger with lvm
10:34<unfo>s/I had limited choice/I was lazy
10:35<jackyf>xukun: :)
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10:48<epsilon3>Hello to everybody! I've used debugfs for SEEING a dir list!
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10:48<epsilon3>I had a mounted fs, /dev/hda6
10:49<unfo>epsilon3: please use "comma" not "enter" :)
10:49<epsilon3>Yes You're right, sorry
10:50<unfo>epsilon3: also; I am having trouble understanding you. Is your first language not English? Would you like us to point you to a channel for your language?
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10:52<unfo>all: When I do /msg dpkg etch->lenny, it says I should see the lenny release notes. Is there a draft version of the lenny release notes available yet?
10:52<epsilon3>Don't stress me please, I never use IRC and I've got carpal tunnel - as many other programmers.
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10:52<unfo>epsilon3: i apologize.
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10:55<Zathraz>Hi. I tried to move /usr from one softraid volume to another using knoppix (mounting the volumes as ordinary ext3). Then I made a symlink from / called usr (on the first raidvolume) to /space4/usr on the second one (volume is normally mounted on /space4)
10:56<Zathraz>this is something (even after a raid rebuild/resync) Debian does not like. From Knoppix I can enter the new usr and see files etc, but when booted into Debian I cannot even access the new usr. It gives io errors
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10:56<Zathraz>How can I fix this please?
10:58<xukun>how can I find a file in ubuntu. find command does not work
10:58<themill>(err... without the #relicense)
10:59<JRHartley>xukun: i think this is maybe a debian channel. and i think that despite appearances, find prolly does actually work
10:59<themill>xukun: /msg dpkg using find ; /msg dpkg ubuntu
11:00<xukun>JRHartley, thanks but find did not work for me. I will go to ubuntu channel. sorry
11:00<JRHartley>yeah find is temperamental that way ...
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11:01<Zathraz>xukun, updatedb & locate might help you too
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11:02<xukun>Zathraz, thanks
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11:08<unfo>themill: thanks.
11:08<unfo>all: would it be a *bad* idea to modify the bot to point people to instead of just saying "see the release notes"?
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11:10<themill>hmmm.. pity that's a docbook thing and not rendered to html or something
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11:11<themill>dpkg: lenny release notes is <reply> Draft release notes at and
11:11<dpkg>okay, themill
11:11<themill>dpkg: etch->lenny =~ s/release notes/<lenny release notes>/
11:11<dpkg>OK, themill
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11:14<jthomas>I have OpenSSH 5.1p1-2 installed and there is a box that I cannot connect to; when I use SSH I get this error: "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" I've read that it is a problem with the 5.1p1 package, does anyone know if there is workaround for Debian Lenny?
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11:28<unfo>themill: thanks for updating it; I didn't quite remember how. By the way, why not post the rendered release notes, marked "DRAFT", at (though that may be confusing), or at least at someone's page?
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11:29<themill>that would be a good idea. (or even better at releases/lenny/) But I'm not in a position to do so. Perhaps file a wishlist bug against the pseudopackage about this
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11:32<unfo>themill: i think i will.
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11:33<MadHag>does anyone know of a good howto to install red5 on etch?
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11:34<MadHag>actually, not tried apt-get install red5 but I guess that would be asking too much :)
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11:35<DTE>hi all
11:35<DTE>i'm trying lenny with kvm
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11:36<DTE>i set up some virtual machines but now i cannot entere anymore those via vnc
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11:38<bizurke>you can't access them or you can't make more?
11:38<DTE>i can't access....i get a blank screen and the connection reset itself
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11:40<bizurke>I've never used KVM myself. I just use VirtualBox if I need a VM but that rarely happens
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11:41<DTE>i don't what happened...till yesterday was working correctly
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11:41<bizurke>I hate it when that happens
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11:42<DTE>for two vm it's not a big problem...i go via ssh...but the other one is still new
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11:44<dpkg>java is, like, a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives>
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11:44<MadHag>!install java
11:44<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives>
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11:55<daemon>hey all anyone know of a 'ready to go' debian pen drive os
11:55<daemon>I have a 1gb stick i want to use with my laptop to basically turn it into a giant portable mp3 player
11:55<Zathraz>Anyone know about an Interbase/Firebird IRC channel or knows how to list all database or even better: backup all databases from script (by using gbak?) ?
11:56<DTE>ok...the others kvn guest's work's just the netinstall that is not working
11:56<Zathraz>daemon, you can run Knoppix (a Debian derivate) from USB stick
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12:00<daemon>Zathraz, nice cheers
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12:01<styx-tdo>hi, i have a HP DL380G3 with capabilities smbios-2.3 dmi-2.3 - how can i check if both PDUs have power?
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12:11<Zathraz>styx-tdo, with ILO I presume
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12:17<styx-tdo>styx-tdo: er iLo is webbased and sucks under linux :( - anyway, doesn't any of the HP"management" utilities any access to these parameters?
12:18<styx-tdo>and one of the boxes doesn't have ilo configured, anyway
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12:18<the-me>styx-tdo, ipmitool
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12:22<kop>What do I need to do to turn off apt's package caching? I tried adding 'Dir::Cache::pkgcache "";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf and still found that 'aptitude clean' was recovering plenty of space. Should I be setting 'Dir::Cache::archives "";', or is there something wrong with my syntax or something?
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12:22<styx-tdo>the-me: tnx :)
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12:25<styx-tdo>the-me: Could not open device at /dev/ipmi0 or /dev/ipmi/0 or /dev/ipmidev/0
12:25<DTE>uhm...some problems with lenny and the network
12:25<styx-tdo>the-me: openipmi is required?
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12:25<styx-tdo>the-me: or am i missing some kernel modules?
12:25<DTE>where are the udev rules like the old z25-*?
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12:26<styx-tdo>there is z25_persistent-cd.rules z25_persistent-net.rules
12:27<DTE>in lenny?
12:27<DTE>i have nothing
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12:29<styx-tdo>no 70
12:31<cahoot> 70-persistent-net.rules
12:31<DTE>with debian lenny i couldn't make to load the net interface
12:31<DTE>now i'm rebooting with another kernel
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12:32<styx-tdo>DTE hm i am looking for power supplies
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12:36<c36pop>hi i have a problem with nautilus when i plug a usb drive , neither the autorun nor the desktop icon appears. But in the file explorer , under computer:/// the volume name appears , if i click once on it i m redirected to the / folder and the second time a click on it i have access to the files and the desktop icon appear. Could somebody help please . I get that problem after removing old unused kernels in Lenny
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12:39<epsilon3>xdd /tmp/dumptrial.out' and I got a human-readable a list of directory entries. Using and then retouching it to get a complete output, I got a even clearer list of directory entries. So, I HAD TO READ THE DIRECTORY FILE to know the number of files in the directory; I could not read the number of directory entries without reading it. BTW this has nothing to do with the limit for t
12:39<epsilon3>he number of hard links to one inode, that is the EXT3_LINK_MAX defined in include/linux/ext3_fs.h.
12:40<epsilon3>Oh no that was too long. I'm reposting it, thank you for your patience.
12:41<DTE>another thing...why there's now a bmx2 firmware?
12:41<epsilon3>1/7: Hi, I wanted to see the structure of ext3 directory entries and I made it, so I'm sending this note for whom it may concern.
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12:42<epsilon3>2/7: I took a mounted partition and created a dir in it, then looked for its inode number with 'ls -i'.
12:42<epsilon3>3/7: I then started 'debugfs <device of the mounted partition>' and ran the command 'dump <inode number> /tmp/dumptrial.out'; then 'quit' to close debugfs.
12:42<epsilon3>4/7: I then ran 'xdd /tmp/dumptrial.out' and I got a human-readable a list of directory entries.
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12:42<epsilon3>5/7: Using and then retouching it to get a complete output, I got a even clearer list of directory entries.
12:42<epsilon3>6/7: So, I HAD TO READ THE DIRECTORY FILE to know the number of files in the directory; I could not read the number of directory entries without reading it.
12:42<epsilon3>7/7: BTW this has nothing to do with the limit for the number of hard links to one inode, that is the EXT3_LINK_MAX defined in include/linux/ext3_fs.h.
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12:44<jthomas>How can I enable mouse integration with VirtualBox and an XP Guest? Currently my mouse is trapped inside the XP unless I release it; I'd prefer to have the mouse just travel freely...
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12:45<styx-tdo>jthomas: install the utils
12:46<styx-tdo>jthomas: under Devices, install guest addons
12:46<epsilon3>Thank you to everybody, I'm leaving now ;-)
12:46<jthomas>I've done that
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12:46<jthomas>styx-tdo I have done so, no change
12:47<styx-tdo>did you _install_ them, too?
12:47<jthomas>how so? I selected Devices > Install Guest Additions
12:47<styx-tdo>that mounts a virtual CD
12:47<jthomas>not sure that more needs to be done I guess...
12:48<styx-tdo>after that, an installer should appear
12:48<jthomas>no installed, but its in the My Computer.... working on it now then
12:48<styx-tdo>then, as usual in windows, (next next= repeat until Finish
12:49<jthomas>great thanks styx-tdo
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12:50<jthomas>yes much better, thanks!
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12:52<ls>yo yo
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12:52<ls>i have a simple question if i may
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12:53<ls>is it possible to update kernel on a virtual machine?
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12:56<c36pop>ls : yes
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13:01<styx-tdo>ls which virtualization software?
13:01<ls> #1 SMP Thu May 24 18:52:44 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
13:01<styx-tdo>ls that's an operating system, not a virtualization solution
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13:02<styx-tdo>ls i'll give names, you shout..
13:02<styx-tdo>openVZ, Xen, virtualbox
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13:03<styx-tdo>virtual dedicated server
13:03<styx-tdo>well, still not an answer
13:03<c36pop>styx-tdo : did you try all of them ??
13:03<styx-tdo>c36pop: yes
13:03<ls>i am not sure what you want :P
13:04<c36pop>styx-tdo : can i talk to you in private i have some question about some of them
13:04<styx-tdo>ls you ask a question like "i have a car. can i put a 16V engine in it"?
13:04<styx-tdo>sory for the car analogy
13:04<styx-tdo>c36pop: yes
13:05<styx-tdo>c36pop: just query me
13:05<styx-tdo>ls well.. is it your server? is it rented?
13:05<styx-tdo>ok. do you see a file /proc/user_beancounter ?
13:06<ls>from here
13:06<ls>no i dont see it
13:07<styx-tdo>ps aux|egrep xen
13:07<styx-tdo>see anything?
13:07<ls>tr00:~# ps aux|egrep xen
13:07<ls>root 23498 0.0 0.7 2356 1048 pts/18 D+ 18:07 0:00 /bin/sh /bin/egrep xen
13:08<styx-tdo>possibly proprietary solution not openVZ, not Xen
13:08<styx-tdo>uname -a
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13:08<ls>tr00:~# uname -a
13:08<ls>Linux #1 SMP Thu May 24 18:52:44 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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13:09<ls>i am asking
13:09<ls>becouse i got bruteforced
13:09<ls>and the kernel is
13:09<styx-tdo>well, do you have a backup there at lycos?
13:09<styx-tdo>if yes, just install a new kernel. if it works, fine, if not, restore backup
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13:18<c36pop>hi i have a problem with nautilus when i plug a usb drive , neither the autorun nor the desktop icon appears. But in the file explorer , under computer:/// the volume name appears , if i click once on it i m redirected to the / folder and the second time a click on it i have access to the files and the desktop icon appear. Could somebody help please . I get that problem after removing old unused kernels in Lenny
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13:25<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see, or #python
13:25<dpkg>somebody said gnu was a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System, its homepage is at
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13:25<thijs_>hi all
13:26<dpkg>somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
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13:26<thijs_>! lenny status
13:26<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>.
13:27<thijs_>how to help debian
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13:27<thijs_>can make packages and fix bugs and upload it?
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13:32<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
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13:33<thijs_>nice :D
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13:33<styx>damn why is firefox over ssh so slow :/
13:33<thijs_>hi there
13:34<thijs_>what is a toolchain?
13:34<thijs_>is it a compiler ?
13:35<Hydroxide>thijs_: it's a compiler and all the rest of the tools people use to build/compile software
13:35<Hydroxide>thijs_: including make, the C library, etc
13:35<c4>em having a problem with squid, is redirecting some users to ?? do you have any idea/news?
13:35<thijs_>just gcc make binutils ?
13:36<Hydroxide>not sure exactly what packages, but certainly all three of those are part of it
13:36<thijs_>or is it a cross compiler ?
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13:36<c4>does someone has that problem of being redirected to
13:37<thijs_>works fine
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13:37<thijs_>may empty your cache
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13:37<thijs_> look a atom server
13:37<c4>thijs_: do you mean my cache?
13:38<thijs_>your webcache
13:38<thijs_>which browser a you using
13:38<c4>thijs_: ms explorer, opera, firefox, icewasel,...
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13:39<thijs_>clear cookies cache etc
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13:39<c4>thijs_: is sometimes, i have a squid with 300 users that goes out by other squid with 2xxx users
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13:39<chealer>thijs_: only developers can upload, but you can make packages and fix bugs, yes
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13:40<c4>thijs_: i have to say the same to the ppl with the "second step" squid...
13:41<c4>may be a virus damn!
13:41<ls>styx can you help me please?:>
13:42<thijs_>a virus
13:42<thijs_>@linux :D
13:42<chealer>thijs_: please do not send non-personal messages in private without asking for permission first
13:42<stevecotton>"" sounds like it could be the name of an error script.
13:42<ls>bzip2 -dc /usr/src/patch.bz2 | patch -p1
13:42<ls>when i make this command
13:42<c4>the stupid with the second squid is filtering "sexy" chain and i cant download libsexy2 !!! GRRRrr
13:42<ls>i get
13:42<ls>File to patch:
13:42<thijs_>oke sorry chealer
13:42<ls>what should i put here
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13:43<c4>thijs_: yes, thats strage
13:43<stevecotton>c4 - any pattern to what gets redirected there? any instances of "dropped" in the config?
13:43<chealer>thijs_: ask in the channel
13:43<styx>ls waht is it a patch for?
13:44<wnd>ls, sounds like bad patch or bad path strip depth
13:44<thijs_>how do i became a debian developer
13:44<thijs_>i want to donatie my time
13:44<ls>to update my kernel
13:45<c4>stevecotton: i can`t understand, the sarg report says (loooots of requests), so i have filtered that url , and now sarg shows the report with DENIED of course, but...
13:45<thijs_>what kind of patch
13:45<chealer>thijs_: "Debian Developer" has a specific meaning, which means someone with an account on Debian project machines. but not everyone developing Debian is a "Debian Developer". To become an official Debian Developer, you need to go through the New Maintainer process. But to simply develop Debian, you can adopt packages, submit patches for bugs, create new packages uploaded by a sponsor, etc.
13:45<c4>stevecotton: really is sending something because is:
13:46<thijs_>how to adopt packages?
13:46<thijs_>chealer are you a develope
13:46<c4>stevecotton: what really scares me is that the linux browsers are being redirected too
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13:47<thijs_>i found
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13:47<stevecotton>c4: the HTTP requests should include referrer logs, which page are all those visits coming from?
13:47<c4>stevecotton: i have seen only one guy with the same problem in google
13:48<chealer>thijs_: if you find an orphaned package that you'd like to maintain, you file an Intention to Adopt bug report, make a new package version, then find a sponsor to upload it.
13:48<c4>stevecotton: in /var/log/squid/...
13:48<chealer>thijs_: I'm not an official Debian Developer, no
13:49<c4>stevecotton: i have a sarg report, they came everiwere inside the lan
13:50<stevecotton>Grab the source of one of those referring URLs, and see if "drop" occurs anywhere in it.
13:51<c4>stevecotton: yes, the drop is in my squid, because i`ve made a acl rule to drop, or what you mean?
13:51<stevecotton>I'm thinking there might be an HTML form that's meant to submit to /cgi-bin/, but has got mangled.
13:52<stevecotton>I mean, take the HTML code that the browsers are parsing, see where in it the redirection to is.
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13:54<stevecotton>Ah, this conversation might have got confused earlier. When I was talking about referrer logs, HTTP requests normally include the URL of the previous page. Example ...
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13:55<stevecotton> has a link to http/ When the browser requests, it will include "Referrer:" in the request ...
13:55<stevecotton>it should be possible to find out the previous page's URL from the squid logs.
13:56<stevecotton>It's that previous page that I'm suggesting you look at (and any Javascript loaded from it).
13:59<c4>stevecotton: ok, you mean the page that is "redirecting" to
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14:01<c4>is there a fact that made squid3 not to be compiled with arp acl, like squid is?
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14:11<caffn>Hi all
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14:12<styx>ls: errr why forchristssake don't you use a debian kernel??
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14:13<styx>ls: or at least the proper debian way to create your kernel??
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14:14<caffn>I'm kinda lost, need ur help :) I have a single disc with debian installed, and I want to move it to a 2-disc soft-raid0. Just can't seem to find a good tutorial for raid0. Lost of raid1, but i want raid0. Help :)
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14:15<dpkg>rumour has it, raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't.
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14:16<Woet>If I run 'ps faux' as root, I get all processes.
14:16<Woet>if I run it as a user normally, I get all processes to
14:16<Woet>but on this server, I only get the processes of the user
14:16<Woet>is there a setting somewhere to enable/disable this?
14:16<caffn>Yeah yeah yeah.. I know all about that :P Been running raid0 on my data-drives for years without problems.
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14:17<TIBS01>ello anyone give me help with freespire ?
14:17<caffn>No, this is #debian... :P
14:18<dpkg>methinks freespire is <linspire>, was <lindows>. Today it's <based on> <ubuntu>. Not supported here, regardless of their lack of support. Install Debian today if you want support here :), or /join #freespire @
14:19<TIBS01>no one in ther
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14:21<TIBS01>how do i get to sources.list
14:22<variable>TIBS01, /etc/apt/sources.list
14:25<caffn>Hm.. RAID0 gives me about double the speed.. How is this with LVM in striping mode?
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16:06<hahnp>tell me more :D
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16:12<Harrison>Hello, I'm trying to compile a program from binary source. Could anyone offer me some help?
16:12<alexander>hi. i have an old crt scren, but i can not have more than 50hz when having a normal resolution
16:12<hahnp>Harrison, whats the problem?
16:13<erKURITA>alexander then don't set it beyond 50 Hz ?
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16:13<erKURITA>brb food
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16:14<Harrison>I'm on testing, PowerPC architecture... I'm trying to compile urbanterror (first person shooter game similar to quake 3 arena) from the source (.url) file included in the urbanterror archive. However, I'm not quire sure how to do this, as the archive doesn't include a makefile.
16:14<alexander>i have a blurry screen
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16:14<alexander>is there anyway to configure the screen settings
16:15<alexander>beyond in the resoulution window
16:15<hahnp>Harrison, you have to run first the ./configure
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16:15<Harrison>And I should run this in which folder?
16:15<hahnp>which files are includet in the archife
16:16*stevecotton hopes it will compile with "dpkg-buildpackage -b"
16:16<hahnp>there should be a binary file named configure
16:17<Harrison>I don't see a configure...
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16:17<hahnp>can you show me a list of the files in your direcroty
16:17<Harrison>Yes... one moment
16:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:19<hahnp>stevecotton, calm down :D
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16:20<giedrius>parsisiunciau zaidima ir man ismete arhyva ir ten pilna failu tai kap man instaliuoti zaidima
16:20<giedrius>gal kas galitpadeti
16:20<Harrison>I'm sorry, but I don't seem to know how to send a file... could you help me out?
16:20<txt>giedrius: can you speak english?
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16:21<giedrius>i nedd help to install game
16:21<hahnp>Harrison, and paste there.. send the link to the chat
16:21<hahnp>apo_, huhu
16:21<txt>giedrius: more details
16:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 361] by debhelper
16:22<Harrison>that's awesome
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16:23<hahnp>Harrison, could it be that this is a windows game?
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16:24<Harrison>Urbanterror? Nope, it's an opensource game based on quake 3 arena, which installs on linux (i386)
16:24<txt>giedrius_: what game do you want to install?
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16:25<Harrison>yeah, from
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16:26<Nemoder>Harrison: it looks like you only downloaded the binaries, not the source code
16:26<Harrison>What's the difference?
16:26<miksuh>any idea why gnome-applets-dev package is not in lenny?
16:26<upsilon>according to you just run the binary
16:26<Nemoder>the binaries only work for the architectures they were compiled for, you need the source to recompile new binaries for your arch
16:27<Harrison>I see...
16:27<Harrison>AH! I found the source code...
16:27<hahnp>did you download this archive file
16:27<miksuh>"gnome-applets-dev is not available in Debian"
16:28<txt>gaudrius_: hmm ... windows-games under linux ... i don't know many about it
16:28<Harrison>Yes, that's the archive I have.
16:28<giedrius_>end i dont kow what to do with archyve
16:28<hahnp>Linux 32bits executable: ioUrbanTerror.i386
16:28<hahnp>just try to start this....
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16:29<hahnp>giedrius_, what kind of archive is it?
16:29<giedrius_>txt the windowsgame isa to do for linux
16:30<Harrison>I get bash: ./ioUrTded.i386: cannot execute binary file when I try to execute that file.
16:31<Nemoder>giedrius_: sauerbraten is already packaged for Lenny, are you on etch?
16:31<Nemoder>Harrison: i386 is only for x86 (intel/amd) not powerpc
16:31<Harrison>I know
16:31<Harrison>That's why I hate PowerPC.
16:32<hahnp>try to chmod -R 777 the whole directory
16:32<hahnp>and try executing again
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16:33<Nemoder>hahnp: it won't work, he needs to compile a powerpc binary from the source code
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16:34<giedrius_>o. good night see tomorow
16:34<hahnp>hm oh powerpc... i did not read this
16:34<txt>where are the saved gnome-sessions saved? Cause i save my session at shutdown and now o need to delete my one.
16:34<Harrison>I've downloaded two sources files... from the web link I posted...
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16:37<obmij>How do I update my repo?
16:37<obmij>was it aptitude update or upgrade?
16:37<Harrison>Can someone tell me how to make my text addressed to a particular person? Like in red?
16:37<Harrison>OBMIJ... What exactly are you trying to do?
16:37<obmij>Harrison, I saw your text red
16:38<obmij>Maybe it's xchat
16:38<obmij>but umm, I tried to aptitude install ssh
16:38<obmij>and it couldn't download one of the files
16:38<upsilon>when your name is said in xchat it hilights
16:38<obmij>I was thinking that my repo maybe old or something
16:38<hahnp>obmij, show us your source.list
16:38<txt>obmij: an update with update ... install the new packages with upgrade (etch) or safe-upgrade (lenny)
16:38<obmij>where was it again?
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16:39<upsilon>isn't it sources.list
16:39<obmij>deb lenny main contrib non-free
16:39<obmij>deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free
16:39<obmij>deb lenny main contrib non-free
16:39<obmij>alright sorry
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16:40<obmij>so umm...
16:40<obmij>should I upgrade or update?
16:41<txt>obmij: first update it
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16:41<obmij>aptitude update right?
16:41<txt>obmij: yeah
16:41<hahnp>txt, i think if you made a snapshot using gnome-session-save... you should get all applications currendly running on next startup
16:42<hahnp>and i think the session/apllications are savend in /home/user/.gnome2
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16:42<hahnp>but not for shure
16:42<hahnp>obmij, apt-get dselect-upgrade
16:42<txt>hanhp: i have the problem that i only get a grey screen and nothing more if i login
16:42<obmij>isn't aptitude recommended instead?
16:43<hahnp>then you need some more packages like gnome-desktop or something else
16:44<hahnp>it could be that your gnome is not installt completly ...
16:44<obmij>awesome now aptitude install ssh worked!
16:45<obmij>thanks all
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16:45<hahnp>txt i think there is some gnome stuff missing...
16:45<txt>hanhp: it worked for the last quarter month.
16:45<hahnp>what did you do... until it died? :D
16:45<txt>hanhp: but since last friday it didn't work
16:46<txt>hanhp: install compiz used some time.
16:47<txt>but i thinked that i had rebootet also with compiz and there was no problem
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16:48<hahnp>can you do a dpkg -l | grep gnome- and show me
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16:50<txt>hanhp: I have removed the old session and now it's working again
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16:50<hahnp>hm okay
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16:51<pema>nick padma
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16:53<thomasbl>hi :)
16:53<padma>debian lenny rocks!
16:53<padma>nice 1 guys!
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16:54<hahnp>Txt-file, yeah but its working right now istn it?
16:54<Txt-file>hanhp: yeah
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16:54<hahnp>okay :)
16:54<thomasbl>I have a gnome desktop environment and want to have a _fully_ transparent terminal with a tail -f /var/log/syslog on my desktop background
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16:54<thomasbl>so is there some program outside for this issue?
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16:54<thomasbl>conky gdesklets root-tail all sucks
16:55<Txt-file>thomasbl: no program ... a option in your terminal-programm
16:55<amphi>root-tail does not suck in the least
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16:55<thomasbl>amphi: but its still not putting anything on my screen
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16:56<amphi>thomasbl: that's because gnome draws its background over the top of it
16:56<thomasbl>yes i read somthing about that ... but how can I solve this?
16:56<amphi>gnome's 'wallpaper' is not drawn on the root window, but on some nautilus window I believe
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16:57<thomasbl>so i must choose the nautilus window? how can I do this?
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16:57<amphi>a sticky borderless gnome-terminal window forced to the bottom of the z-order?
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16:58<thomasbl>erm but then I cant even see some icons on the desktop
16:58<thomasbl>do you have somthing like i want running?
16:59<amphi>no; I just run xconsole fullscreen somewhere
17:00<thomasbl>I was thinking about that, too
17:00<thomasbl>but i want to give gnome a chance to beat my fvwm ;)
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17:04<amphi>thomasbl: if you don't care about icons, I believe you can tell nautilus not to draw the background
17:05<amphi>you'll probably have to gconf spelunking
17:05*amphi is reminded of a certain 'registry'
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17:08<thomasbl>amphi: thats an idea ... i'll try it
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17:10<thomasbl>amphi: do you have an idea where to search exactly?
17:10<thomasbl>I dont find some options
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17:11<wnd>thomasbl, good luck. my four previous attempts have failed. :-)
17:11<amphi>I don't know gnome at all, but I believe it can be done ;)
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17:13<wnd>I've come to conclusion that fvwm2 is irreplaceable
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17:22*tzafrir_laptop tried to use fvwm2 several times.
17:22<tzafrir_laptop>The problem is it does what I tell it to do
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17:22<tzafrir_laptop>Rather than what I exepct it to do
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17:24<stevecotton>I doubt that I could move from (fvwm configured by me) to (fvwm configured by someone else) - it would be too strange compared to the WM that I'm used to.
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17:39<thomasbl>amphi: <<< this patch is working
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17:41<amphi>there's handy
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17:46<enouf>who uses deskop icons? wtf?
17:46<enouf>nay, who wants to even see any?
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17:52<amphi>enouf: hideous little things
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17:53<enouf>amphi: good for shooting at :-)
17:54<enouf>amphi: well - compile failed again, same place :-/
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17:57<amphi>enouf: what's failing?
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17:59<enouf>amphi: one sec - how do i pass multiple options to CFLAGS? using a ':' as a separator doesn't make cc happy - maybe a ',' ?
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18:00<amphi>enouf: CFLAGS='-fomit-instructions -foobar make'
18:00<themill>enouf: space separated. their just command line arguments
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18:01<enouf>amphi: , themill thank you
18:01<themill>no worries
18:01<enouf>amphi: ythe long and short of it :-/
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18:02<enouf>it's some silly asm code, so i'm told --> cabac.h: In function 'get_cabac_noinline': cabac.h:529: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm' cabac.h:529: error: 'asm' operand has impossible constraints
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18:18<c01100011>i am looking for a simple panel (pypanel, bmpanel... etc) that works with compiz multiple desktops. all panels i have tried treat that multiple (cube/wall) desktops as one
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18:39<enouf>amphi: i think the mplayer folk don't like it much when i say "what a steaming pile of shit" ;-)
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18:39<enouf>amphi: because, one main channel b0z0 couldn't answer a simple question ;-)
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18:40<enouf>amphi: i make friends wherever i go :-P
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18:52<amphi>enouf: heh - what was the question?
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18:54<amphi>enouf: I just saw your error in scrollback - did you try a different version of gcc?
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18:56<enouf>amphi: not yet - using the latest (and have been) 4.3.1-2
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18:57<enouf>amphi: -O4 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -march=i686 is what i'm trying with now
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18:57<amphi>enouf: might be worth trying CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.2 CFLAGS='-foo -bar' make
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18:57<enouf>amphi: righto ...
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18:57<enouf>amphi: every try takes an hour ;-)
18:57<amphi>to reach the crapout point?
18:57<enouf>amphi: yep
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18:58<amphi>is it not in a subdirectory you could build the local makefile in?
18:59<enouf>amphi: sorry - my brain is mush - could you try to expand a bit on that? ;-)
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19:00<egypcio>anyone here tried gns/gns3? (usin that apt mirror)
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19:00<enouf>amphi: i just poured myself a nice adult beverage ... waiting for it to kick in ;-)
19:01<amphi>enouf: good news indeed
19:01<amphi>I could use a margherita myself
19:02<enouf>amphi: also, note, on this run i did; export CFLAGS="-O4 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -march=i686" ; ./configure --enable-.....
19:02<enouf>amphi: then prior to make, i checked with $ echo $CFLAGS
19:02<enouf>-O4 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -march=i686
19:03<enouf>amphi: now, there shouldn't be any need for me to pass those same options again to make, correct?
19:03<enouf>amphi: well -- right - but
19:03<enouf>unfortunately - what i'm seeing in htop says differently :-/
19:04<amphi>perhaps you need to edit the Makefile
19:04<enouf>amphi: i'm fairly sure i do ... but did the weenies in #mplayer know that?
19:04<enouf>no ;-)
19:04<amphi>what do they know? ;)
19:05<enouf>amphi: i love it how when you ask a specific question - how it's always some "well, why are you trying to disable h264 .. yadda yadda" answer
19:05<enouf>then .. "well, you can't" .. oh really?
19:06<amphi>why do you want to build without h264 support?
19:06<enouf>amphi: they know enough to whine to a channel op, who then kicked me for the aforementioned "constructive critique" ;-)
19:07<amphi>I just mencoded something with h264, and it didn't work too well, but that is likely my fault
19:07<enouf>amphi: have you noticed where the build fails for me? ;-)
19:07<hachi>when I install grub2 the first time on a machine it will set up chainloading of grub2 from grub for me
19:07<hachi>how can I do this the second time it's installed though?
19:08<enouf>try rescue mode?
19:08<amphi>cabac.h doesn't tell me much, but I get your point
19:08<enouf>amphi: did you see the pastebin?
19:08<hachi>I don't need rescue mode, the machine boots
19:08<amphi>I did not
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19:08<hachi>I just want to have grub2 as a menu option in grub again
19:09<enouf>hachi: fine, then fix it
19:10<hachi>I'm asking how it does it!
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19:10<amphi>enouf: 4.2 might be worth a try
19:10<hachi>thanks for telling me to do exactly what I'm asking to do
19:10<enouf>welcome ;-)
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19:10<hachi>so, does anyone have a clue about this that can help?
19:10<enouf>amphi: righto
19:10<amphi>enouf: you must be sad the domain is taken ;)
19:11<enouf>amphi: i'm getting over it ;-)
19:11<enouf>amphi: this beverage is n-i-c-e ;-) please, do partake some time, and go help yourself to one ;-)
19:12<amphi>what are you drinking?
19:12<enouf>amphi: white liquor
19:12<enouf>+ a
19:12<enouf>amphi: bicardi
19:13<enouf>amphi: reminds me of the caribbean :-P
19:14<amphi>we used to make margheritas out of that; ah, those happy days of setting forth with two 10-litre jerry cans of margherita, for a pleasant afternoon by the river ;)
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19:19<enouf>amphi: i can't even play a video in this format on this box (well, mostly because of the 3D spinning cube in the beginning ;-)) -> videodownload: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 1
19:19<enouf>amphi: so why i need h264 ? :-)
19:19<amphi>ah ;)
19:20<enouf>amphi: i mean sure, if it built, i'd just leave it built-in ;-)
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19:22<enouf>amphi: ooo .. time for some music now
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19:23<enouf>amphi: let's see how well this system (mplayer) plays back cdda while the cpu is pinned at 100% O_o
19:27<qq->enouf: do a screenshot for us you can't , sorry
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19:47<enouf>amphi: welp; failed again ; and yep flags were set in the sh, but now to try editing the Makefile, etc instead
19:47<enouf>$ echo $CFLAGS
19:47<enouf>-O4 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -march=i686
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19:48<enouf>amphi: but this time, i have some Led in the background ;-)
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19:50<amphi>enouf: is 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 what you're trying to build?
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19:50<enouf>amphi: no, i grabbed svn trunk
19:50<amphi>must've taken a while ;)
19:51<enouf>amphi: that's the version i've been using prior though - and still am ;-)
19:51<enouf>i thinkk
19:51<amphi>that's the dmm one
19:51<amphi>on testing, in any case
19:52<qq->enouf: my : use -O3
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19:52<enouf>qq-: i was going to try -O3 prior to -O4 .. but f it, i'm installing hte Etch gcc now - gonna try that
19:54<enouf>amphi: ii mplayer 1:1.0.rc2svn20080531- The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux <-- guess a slightly older one? hrmm .. one sec
19:54<enouf>amphi: aye
19:54<enouf> Installed: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080531-0.1
19:54<enouf> Candidate: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1
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19:55<bedo2>um mi here ? is it working ?
19:55<Tortnemed>Paging Mr. Anderson
19:56<Tortnemed>Please meet your party in your usual room
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19:56<JRHartley>is that hourly rates ?
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19:56<enouf>Tortnemed: i'll have the jumbo prawns in garlic oil and flamboyed
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19:58<Tortnemed>Oh man, why'd you do that
19:58<qq->enouf: gfortran is used in compile ?
19:58<Tortnemed>Now I hunger
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19:59<bedo2>hello, sorry for bothering you guys but is this debian help channel or im in wrong room ?
19:59<JRHartley>qq-: g77 is more common. sometimes g95. gfortran seems to be a bit new and untrusted
19:59<enouf>bedo2: please ask your question , if it's about debian
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20:00<bedo2>well im n00b and installed some kind of lvm as partition manager but now all apps to manage disks crash in gnome
20:00<enouf>bedo2: we put the bantor aside when there are serious questions (well most of us do)
20:01<bedo2>only thing i can use is ugly text based lvm command
20:01<qq->JRHartley: gfortran 4.3 as default FORTRAN compiler (g77 has been removed) in lenny ...
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20:01<enouf>bedo2: why did you install LVM without knowing what it is or does? But i doubt that's why "all apps to manage disks" crash - please be specific
20:01*amphi keeps his bantor next to the stuffed fantod in a bell jar
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20:02<JRHartley>well here's a debian question. when i make .debs i have a "md5sums" file in the DEBIAN dir. a lot of people miss this out. what is the consensus about inclusion ?
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20:02<bedo2>well i guess i can change partitions in lvm without umounting them ?
20:02<enouf>JRHartley: huh? do you mean it's auto made?
20:02<enouf>bedo2: change partitions?
20:03<bedo2>yes when i install debian it make big home but small var
20:03<JRHartley>qq-: yeah but it's amazing how many stubborn old fortran guys there are. g77 can be had, with a little work
20:03<bedo2>i need big var but small home
20:03<enouf>bedo2: but that's all under LVM?
20:03<enouf>if so , read the lvm2 docs
20:04<enouf>qq-: i have no idea if gfortran is even in the same universe as i
20:04<qq->JRHartley: heh
20:04<bedo2>well but i would like to use gnome application nice and easy but gparted cant use lvm
20:04<themill>enouf: if anything fortran is in the same universe as you, you should be very afraid.
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20:05<enouf>bedo2: when you install debian using "install{gui}" the defaults are more sensible - if you want more control use "expert{gui}" .. but still , LVM is not the default in either case
20:05<JRHartley>enouf: no, i populate the DEBIAN dir with a "control" file with the usual incantations, and a "md5sums" file which contains the name and md5sum of each "real" file. they all live in /usr /etc /opt or wherever inside the app tree. dpkg-deb -b then makes a .deb from this
20:06<enouf>bedo2: i'm not aware of any LVM GUI disk managers - maybe somewhere there is one
20:06<bedo2>sorry im real noob i installed it first without lvm but then i could not change home partition cos its all time used by gnome
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20:08<bedo2>is it gnome problem or debian am i in right support forum ?
20:08<enouf>JRHartley: i'm really sorry - but you completely lost me - but .. it's only temporary ;-)
20:09<themill>JRHartley: it's better for packages to include the md5sums as it's useful for tools like debsums. But it's not required. You'd generally use dh_md5sums to make them.
20:09<enouf>bedo2: what do you mean by "could not change home partition" ?
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20:10<enouf>bedo2: generally, you want to umount any partition you are going to try and manipulate
20:10<bedo2>well in lvm u can change used partition but in normal case u must umount it first ?
20:10<JRHartley>enouf: i usually make the md5sums file like this - find <all the top level dirs except DEBIAN> -type f -exec md5sum {} \; > DEBIAN/md5sums
20:10<enouf>bedo2: also - when copying/rsyncing data, you want to atleast remount ro
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20:10<bedo2>how do i umount partition where are stored all gnome configurations ?
20:11<enouf>bedo2: i'm no lvm guru .. and i'm not too knowledgeable about it all
20:11<JRHartley>themill: interesting. i must look at dh_md5sums. might speed things up a bit
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20:11<enouf>bedo2: depends, but to do general partition manipulation, i either a) boot a livecd, or b) make sure / is not on that HDD
20:12<themill>JRHartley: I generally never touch anything in DEBIAN/ myself at all, only in debian/ and then let debhelper do things for me
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20:12<enouf>JRHartley: take a peek at all the tools in devscripts
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20:12<bedo2>hmm my problem is im quite stupid to setup partiions myself so i leave it guided partitioning, but unable to change partitions after that :(
20:13<JRHartley>themill: to be honest, i peeled open an existing .deb with dpkg-deb -x and dpkg-deb -e, and just copied the scheme manually. you're right, i should streamline the whole thing
20:14<themill>JRHartley: ahh... that makes more sense then. Normally this sort of thing is done in the package building process.
20:14<bedo2>ok thanks very much for your time ill probably call some local support to guide me
20:14<enouf>bedo2: "guided" generally defaults to sensible defaults - but after that (installation), one can easily manipulate
20:14<enouf>bedo2: go grab the gparted livecd
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20:14<bedo2>ok ill try to
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20:14<enouf>bedo2: that would be gnome's gparted, not gnu gparted
20:15<enouf>although, gnu parted is awesome, it has much less FStype support
20:15<enouf>bedo2: and gnome's parted uses libparted which is all GNU
20:15<bedo2>gnu is text based ?
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20:15<JRHartley>themill: yeah. i'm a candidate for adoption or whatever they call it for debian so i had to include a doc dir with COPYING and etc, for the gpl2 i use. itake it this can also be dealt with by the tools
20:15<enouf>bedo2: no, the gparted livecd is GUI
20:15<enouf>bedo2: google
20:16<Tortnemed>Poor gnu
20:16<Tortnemed>So much power yet so little street cred
20:16<bedo2>well i need to reinstall first :( now i have lvm so gparted cant do anything
20:16<Tortnemed>You can adopt linux users?
20:17<JRHartley>themill: it's a big curve to get from source code, to a proper distributable package. all autoconf this, and automake that. i had a hard enough time making the Makefile :)
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20:19<themill>JRHartley: is the source code yours? or are you packaging someone else's work?
20:19<JRHartley>themill: it's mine
20:19<themill>JRHartley: ahh... I understand now.
20:21<enouf>bedo2: gparted from a booted system won't - no idea how it handles it from a livecd boot
20:21<enouf>bedo2: i go back to my original question .. sigh
20:21<JRHartley>themill: they have a "fake" wnpp package, that "bugs" are filed against, with severity "wishlist". and then maybe someone takes on the maintenance and/or packaging. hence my dedscription "adoption". i want a proper debian developer/packager to take it on
20:22<bedo2>i guess it cant see logical volumes anyway it will only see my primary and extended partition, rest from lvm will be hidden
20:22<abrotman>enouf: love me!
20:22<enouf>soon darling
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20:23<themill>JRHartley: You should file an RFP (request for packaging) entry in wnpp. If you can point to your own work, then someone might take it on. But perhaps you might want to just maintain it yourself -- others will help you put together a good package. /msg dpkg nmg ; /msg dpkg mentors
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20:23<linu>estou entrando
20:24<JRHartley>themill: yeah. i did that some months ago. still waiting for a mentor, so to speak
20:24<linu>alguém estame entendendo
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20:25<linu>é so em inglês!
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20:26<abrotman>okay .. don't wait
20:26<dorian>hi all
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20:27<dorian>i've got a small question
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20:29<dorian>319 persons and no one would answer me?
20:30<themill>dorian: no answers till you ask the question...
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20:30<JRHartley>dorian: i'm new here, but i'll maybe answer, if you ask something
20:30<dorian>lol ok, i thought you were not paying attention
20:30<themill>JRHartley: it can take a while -- you've got to have something to offer and you've got to sell it to the right person
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20:31<dorian>the question is : is hurd ready for personnal use within debian?
20:31<JRHartley>themill: yeah steve jobs's secretary told me he was busy :)
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20:32<JRHartley>dorian: i don't personally think it is ready for the rigours of production machines. but philosophically, it would slot right in
20:33<dorian>so what are you all using? linux?
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20:33<JRHartley>dorian: well yes. debian gnu/linux i guess you would call it
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20:34<JRHartley>linux kernel, gnu tools, and a debian flavour
20:34<dorian>another question... may i ask?
20:34<qq->!tell dorian about ask
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20:34<dorian>ok qq- ;)
20:35<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
20:35<dorian>lol but if i like AOL...
20:36<qq-> /ignore dorian
20:36<dorian>so... i would like to know what made you choose debian instead of another distro
20:36<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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20:37<dorian>so we can't lol, we can't talk
20:37<dorian>what can we do here then?
20:38<themill>!why debian
20:38<dpkg> or
20:38<JRHartley>isn't helpful advocacy a form of support ?
20:39<themill>JRHartley: ish.. It's also very boring for the regulars on the channel
20:39<JRHartley>themill: i read you
20:39<themill>JRHartley: btw what is this software you're writing/packaging?
20:40<dorian>well i thought irc was made for chatting with people, not for getting urls through some bot
20:40<JRHartley>themill: a 3d real-time audio spectrum analyzer for alsa/linux using opengl
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20:41<themill>JRHartley: sounds interesting
20:42<themill>pretty :)
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20:46<JRHartley>themill: i had a 2d version of this back in 2001 and got a linux journal article published. it's mostly out of date now, cos i switched from oss to alsa, and from xlib drawing to opengl, but a lot of the math is still the same -
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20:50<dorian>hi jennes
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20:52<dorian>bye all
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20:53<enouf>themill: btw, i can vouch for JRHartley 's awesome NON-BLOATED software app - and besides ... it's a cool app
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20:53<enouf>crap - he already spilled the beans ;-)
20:54*enouf is lost in the music
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20:59<qq->heh, i tested a system with X (gnome) which has xconf of zerro size (really nothing inside), nice
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21:01<bedo2>cat /etc/evms.conf | more
21:01<bedo2>ops sorry wrong window
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21:03<JRHartley>qq-: yeah even fontpaths and stuff are largely taken care of these days. i have fonts in /usr/share/fonts/myttf and i used to have to have that in the xorg.conf, or in a xfs config file. now i just have the timings for this monitor and a compose key
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21:25<deco>amphi, I am searching but i can't find it
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21:26<grendelson>Wow - I haven't compiled a kernel in YEARS. So i thought I would follow the Debian way and compile a 2.6.27 with mm patches kernel. Well 2.6.26 from debian still lists everything as /hda (ati) and nwo .27 uses Scsi for everything. SO I had to manually edit eh grub line to poinroot to /sda1 and then I get an error that resume can be found at /dev/hda1 Where can I change that?
21:26<grendelson>I also had to edit the /etc/fstab for all fielsystems pointed to /dev/hd* FUnny the disk I mount by DISKID mounted jsut fine as /dev/sdc! Maybe time to mount all disks by ID and not by dev name!
21:28<grendelson>Anyway I'm writing this in the new custom 2.6.27-mm kernel so I did manage to boot finally with a whole lot of editing. BUt there is no way I could boot both 2.6.26 and 2.6.27 unless I changed all /etc/fstab entries to boot by DiskID and not be/dev/hd* or /dev/sd*
21:28<grendelson>But can anyone tell me where Resume points to /dev/hda1 when the kernel boots?
21:28<deco>this libstdc++5 is same that libstdc++so.5?
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21:30<xbj9000>can anyone help me? problems in Lenny doing module-assistant -t a-i alsa-base
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21:32<grendelson>Sorry I typed wrong command.. Can anyone tell me where the resume path is set during boot? My new kernel points everything to sd* instead of hd* like the stock debian kernel and I am given the choice to reset the path but not sure how to change it permanently (or is it reset every reboot?)
21:34<xbj9000>I think you want /boot/grub/menu.lst
21:35<chealer>xbj9000: just ask your question
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21:36<xbj9000>after module-assistant runs for a while it fails with this error
21:36<xbj9000>/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/timer.c: In function ‘snd_timer_request’:
21:36<xbj9000>/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/timer.c:155: error: wrong type argument to unary exclamation mark
21:37<grendelson>xbj9000 : Right I can edit the boot line to point root to /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/hda1 and that starts the kernel load and finds my OS but then I get an error that Resume is not located on /dev/hda1 and I am offered an option to write the path or hit Enter to boo t( i type /dev/sda1 and it works fine...
21:37<grendelson>is the Resume path something I can edit or is it set when the machine reoots?
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21:38<JRHartley>xbj9000: looks like you are missing a header file or two. the nedded -dev packages are installed ?
21:38<xbj9000>I think module-assistant took care of that
21:39<xbj9000>if not, what do I need?
21:39<xbj9000>I found info on this bug but it was supposedly fixed by now
21:39<xbj9000>and this is a fresh install of this week's build
21:39<stevecotton>xbj9000: aptitude build-dep alsa-base
21:39<JRHartley>xbj9000: yeah it should do. but it looks to me like a gross error like that in the code could only be down to a missing typedef or macro. which should be in an #included file somewhere
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21:40<xbj9000>this worked fine on a previous install
21:40<LONELYGUY17>is this general chat room???
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21:41<LONELYGUY17>any one wonna chat
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21:42<cdlu>wrong kind of unix
21:42<stevecotton>LONELYGUY17: sure, which RC bug do you feel like fixing?
21:42<LONELYGUY17>hey gangz anyone wonna chat
21:42<LONELYGUY17>i dont know my friend
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21:43<chealer>LONELYGUY17: this channel is for Debian support
21:43<grendelson>Can I use a /dev/disk/by-uuid/* path in menu.lst? I want to be able to boot both a 2.6.26 kernel that uses /dev/hda and 2.6.27 that uses /dev/sda
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21:43<LONELYGUY17>this is sport channel
21:44<LONELYGUY17>owww shit
21:44<LONELYGUY17>is this sport channel]
21:44<xbj9000>anyway stevecotton that added 2 packages but I get the same error
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21:45<LONELYGUY17>is this general chat
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21:45<JRHartley>grendelson: you can have "root=UUID=XXXXXXXXX-XXX-whatever" but the grub names are still (hd0,1) or whatever
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21:48<LONELYGUY171>hey i am back
21:48<grendelson>Is there a way to set my Swap partition to a generic /dev/ like I can with my root and boot via /dev/disk/by-uuid in my /etc/fstab? When I switch kernels one or the other can't load swap since I need to keep cahnging the swap dir to /dev/sda3 or /dev/hda3
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21:49<grendelson>Also what is the Debian cmd to disable a service on boot ( I forgot teh way to shutoff GDM in inti.d until I want it starting again (and I don't mean rename the file)
21:49<LONELYGUY171>hey does anyone wonna chat
21:49-!-mode/#debian [+q lonelyguy17!*@*] by cdlu
21:50<LONELYGUY171>does anyone wonna chat
21:50<Txt-file>!tell LONELYGUY171 about off topic
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21:50<LONELYGUY171>dors anyone wonna chat
21:51-!-mode/#debian [+q lonelyguy171!*@*] by cdlu
21:51<Txt-file>LONELYGUY171: if you say me how to change the language for my system
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21:52<bedo2>update-rc.d --help
21:52<JRHartley>xbj9000: maybe the needed files are on your system but somehow not being referenced. i've resorted to building id databases with mkid, on /usr/include and /usr/src/*, and then using "lid" on the offending identifier, to see if it is in any of the indexed trees
21:52<stevecotton>(whie grendelson was disconnected) <JRHartley> grendelson: you can have "root=UUID=XXXXXXXXX-XXX-whatever" but the grub names are still (hd0,1) or whatever
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21:53<stevecotton>xbj9000: after adding the extra packages, you may need to clean the partly-built build area
21:54<grendelson>stevecotton Thanks for that...
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21:54<stevecotton>what does timer.c:155 say anyway?
21:55<JRHartley>the unary ! should take an int type iinm
21:55<kirkroy>Just wondering, how do I get zip to work? I can't quite seem to figgure it out.
21:55<grendelson>JRHartley The first line in menu.lst can be root=UUID=####? and the kernel parametere passed to teh loading kernel can be root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/##### ?
21:55*EleckttrusS i need the list of the diferent channel of debian on this server
21:55<JRHartley>grendelson: er no. not quite. the root=UUID=XXXblah is the kernel parameter
21:56<grendelson>OH ok
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21:56<JRHartley>grendelson: you still need "root (hd0,1)" or whatever as the first line
21:56<xbj9000>stevecotton it says INIT_LIST_HEAD(&timeri->slave_active_head);
21:56<grendelson>JRHartley SO the fist line in the stanza will remain root(hda0,1) and the kernel parameter changed to root=UUID=##### (and NOT root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/### like I have to use in my .etc.fstab)
21:57<grendelson>JRHartley Sorry I have to look at keyboard to type :-P
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21:57<JRHartley>grendelson: almost right. grub uses a particular naming scheme internally. so (hda1,0) wouldn't be allowed
21:57<stevecotton>xbj9000: Ah, can't really do much with that unless I download the source myself. Bedtime for me anyway.
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21:58<kirkroy>Need help with zip.
21:58<grendelson>JRHartley Sorry taht way a typo!
21:58<grendelson>I meant root(hd0,1)
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21:59<JRHartley>grendelson: looks good to me. have you got your initrd ?
21:59<grendelson>I think I get you - now Is there a way to turn my FSTAB entry for swap into a non /dev/depedent line? (like I have /dev/disk/by-uuid/### for my other partitions!)
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21:59<grendelson>JRHartley I used kpkg so the initrd was built....
22:00<JRHartley>grendelson: yeah. in /etc/fstab, the first field, the device, can be a device name like /dev/sda1 or UUID=
22:00<grendelson>I can't figure out the syntax for swapon and since I am in the 2.6.26 kernel right now swap didnt swapon since the fstab entry is for /dev/sda3 not /dev/hda3
22:00<AlbinoClock>not terribly specifically debian related, but: ubuntu vs centos as a headless webserver, pros/cons?
22:00<abrotman>uhm .. this is #debian
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22:00<abrotman>right .. ask ##linux on freenode
22:00<grendelson>JRHartley Is the UUID you are using the same as /dev/disk/byy-uuid I'm using (or is UUID a shortcut to that?)
22:00<AlbinoClock>Thank you :)
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22:01<grendelson>JRHartley Also I don't seem to be able to locate a UUID for the swap partitions///
22:01<grendelson>oops s/\/\/\//.../
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22:02<JRHartley>grendelson: you need UUID=XXX for both kernel parameter and fstab entry.
22:03<JRHartley>JRHartley: have you done mkswap -v1 on the swap partition ? blkid should tell you the uuids
22:03<grendelson>JRHartley Ok I'll try UUID (I have /dev/disk/by-uuid/### in my fstab and that works but how do I find the UUID for the swap partition (dev/hda3)?
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22:03<abrotman>LONELYGUY17: do NOT msg me
22:03<JRHartley>grendelson: yeah ok. i think udev makes those device files for you. but i just use the shorter version
22:04<grendelson>JRHartley Yes the /dev/hda3 partition is swap (used everytime I booot) I'll try to locate the id of swap with blkid.
22:04<qq->ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
22:04<qq->and look at /dev/hda3
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22:06<JRHartley>grendelson: once you have a working swap entry in fstab, you can just swapon -a, and it should appear when you do "free". and when you reboot, cos it's in fstab, you get it automatically
22:06<grendelson>qq- see there is no /dev/hda3 and in blkid there is no /dev/hda3 either ! but it is finding an old /dev/hdb9 I created a long time ago but don't mount in fstab...
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22:07<grendelson>JRHartley : Right I'm jsut trying to find the name generic way to mount it (like UUID)
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22:08<grendelson>not sure why /dev/hda3 isn't showing up at all - probably something to do with the way it failed to load swap at boot since /dev/sda3 was not vaild (and that is what i had in /etc/fstab from 2.6.27 boot
22:11<JRHartley>grendelson: i suppose a quick way to force a uuid, would be to format it for ext3 or something. it's gonna be written over anyway, so it doesn't matter
22:12<xbj9000>I appear to have solved it by finding a newer alsa-source package from elsewhere
22:12<grendelson>JRHartley Ahh I see
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22:13<xbj9000>it's still working, but it's well past where it had been failing
22:13<grendelson>JRHartley That is the weird thing is teh /dev/hdb9 I created as swap shows up in blkid!
22:13<qq->grendelson: anyway paste >>> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
22:13<JRHartley>grendelson: i don't think mkswap -v1 writes over the uuid, but i could be wrong
22:15<grendelson>qq- I'm going to reboot a few times to see if the /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst work as hoped. Then I'll tackle the swap problem (since I can swapon /dev/hdb9 for now)
22:15<qq->grendelson: and > fdisk /dev/hda or fdisk /dev/sda +: p
22:15<grendelson>Be back later!
22:15<grendelson>qq- Oh waht was that?
22:16<qq->for viewing partition and type
22:16<grendelson>qq- yup /dev/hda3 is listed as type 82 swap/Solaris
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22:18<grendelson>Crud I forgot - What is the debian way to disable a service in init.d (I want to stop gdm from startig while I work on kernel stuff and don't want to jsut rename it _ i though there was a debian cmd to reset S or K
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22:19<JRHartley>grendelson: i use sysv-rc-conf sometimes from cli
22:19<grendelson>I thought it was rc# something.... ok thanks!
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22:21<JRHartley>grendelson: it manages all the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d. you just tick the right boxes and you get what you want. you could pare down unnecessary other services too, if there are any
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22:23<kirkroy>OK, so who can tell me what I'm doing wrong in trying to get something zipped?
22:24<kirkroy>the help file isn't much help.
22:24<henkmetselaar>we'd need to know what you've been doing/trying
22:25<JRHartley>kirkroy: tar czf yourthing.tgz /yourdir is common. or tar cjf for .bz2
22:26<kirkroy>tar, eh?
22:26<abrotman>kirkroy: like winzip ? or any zip?
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22:26<kirkroy>pretty much any zip that debian can read.
22:26<kirkroy>I assume if debian can zip it, debian can unzip.
22:27<abrotman>thought you were trying to make one
22:27<abrotman>then use tar
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22:27<kirkroy>thanx, hopefully that'll help.
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22:29<kirkroy>thanx, that did the trick.
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22:33<abrotman>is there going to be a metapackage in lenny to upgrade bitchx users to irssi ?
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22:35<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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22:39<grendelson>I found the place it's trying to run resume, in the /usr/.../scripts/local-premount/resume. There is uses a variable to run resume against a disk by LABEL or UUID but I can't see why it's puling hda1 instead of sda1. If I type in sda1 manually when prompted for resume lcoation it starts fine!
22:40<grendelson>I still don't have /dev/sda3 getting activated as swap either :-(
22:40<grendelson>adn it still doesn't show up in /dev/disk/by-uuid or blkid!
22:40<grendelson>but I can swapon my /dev/sdb9 jsut fine...
22:41<JRHartley>grendelson: well at least you can boot. that's actually the hardest bit. you can relax now :)
22:41<grendelson>In blkid I see both hda1 and sda1 mounting as / it seems so it may be that the partition starts as hda1 then gets renamed?
22:42<grendelson>JRHartley Yeah - I know - I have a feeling that all my software will grie at me though (all my software dvdburning etc has /dev/dvd or the like or/dev/hdd or /dev/hdc....
22:42<JRHartley>grendelson: can you do a mkswap on /dev/sda3 on then swapon it
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22:43<grendelson>JRHartley I'll give it a try!
22:44<JRHartley>grendelson: you can check the swap is activated with swapon -s or free
22:45<grendelson>I had already recreated the partition with fdisk and running mkswap created a swap wit a UUID - I then was able to swapon with the UUID!
22:45*egns pira a dormir, que tengan una buena noche.
22:45<grendelson>So I can add the UUID to my fstab! Kool!
22:45<grendelson>now to figure out the silly resume problem!
22:46<grendelson>If you look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/resume you'll see the script running every boot - but it wants to find resuem at /dev/hda1?
22:46<grendelson>It prompts me for location(and stops boot) I type /dev/sda1 and it keeps going....
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22:48<JRHartley>grendelson: i'd check that /boot/grub/menu.lst to make sure you have both kernels correctly set up. i don't actually know about the reume thing. mine just carries on regardless and doesn't "resume". i think resume is a memory image from a previous session
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22:50<grendelson>JRHartley ok
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23:07<dmoerner>h/win 2
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23:07<rektide>the lack of package updates is freaking me out
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23:09<rektide>circa when will lenny be stable
23:10<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
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23:10<rektide>typical safe ambiguity
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23:12<abrotman>get fixing bugs and it will release sooner
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23:12<rektide>fine i'll at least look at release critical
23:12<rektide>i havent found any way to view where bets are in the pool. that would at least be useful in helping me know when to hope for.
23:12<dmoerner>!lenny pool
23:12<dpkg>hmm... lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet.
23:12<abrotman>!lenny pool 1
23:12<dpkg>lenny pool 1 is probably ! themill=2008-12-01 dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15
23:12*abrotman thinks asg sitll isn't done
23:12<rektide>ahh i didnt know pool was a number
23:13<xbj9000>well it seems to have built every module besides the one I need :/
23:13<rektide>those are all the bets? wow
23:13<abrotman>!rc bugs
23:13<dpkg>Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at or
23:13<abrotman>rektide: go help fix bugs
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23:24<knoppix_>who dere
23:24<xbj9000>I did module-assistant -t a-i alsa-source and it built all the modules besides the one I need, apparently
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23:25<xbj9000>how can I get snd-cs46xx ?
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23:29<shilow>can somoene help me i really hosed my grub i was installing virtual box and when i rebooted i got an error 15 from grub after doing a modprobe i was able to boot off of the grubn on a diff drive but i dotn have all the kernels my main drive had so i cant get anything to work in X
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23:34<dmoerner>shilow: how on earth did installing virtualbox change your mbr? how did you install it?
23:35<shilow>a howtoo i found i installed kernel modules
23:36<shilow>and when i issued modprobe vboxdrv
23:36<shilow>it caused something to redo initrd
23:36<shilow>whenn i rebooted error 15
23:36<shilow>still not finding right kernel
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23:38<dmoerner>it is impossible for modprobe vboxdrv to call update-initramfs. what tutorial did you use?
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23:38<shilow>it's bookmarked in ice weasel can't get X started
23:38<shilow>i had legacy nvidia drivers
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23:51<xbj9000>can anyone help me with snd-cs46xx module? when I build alsa-source, it seems to skip that driver
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23:57<dmoerner>xbj9000: 1) are you sure that this version of alsa-source has that driver in it? 2) try examining /usr/src/modules/alsa-source and looking in the makefile to see if that module is disabled by default
23:57<xbj9000>well there is a folder for cs46xx in the source
23:58<dmoerner>what version of debian are you running? i'll try hacking around in it
23:59<xbj9000>cs46xx not found in Makefile
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23:59<xbj9000>I'm running this weeks build of Lenny
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23:59<xbj9000>and I got the alsa-source for Sid since the Lenny one wouldn't build at all
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