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---Logopened Tue Sep 09 00:00:02 2008
---Daychanged Tue Sep 09 2008
00:00<xbj9000>this one builds but I end up with no snd_cs46xx
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00:02<xbj9000>when I modprobe it, it tells me it isn't installed and then tells me the installation command failed
00:04<xbj9000>error running install command
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00:12<dmoerner>i can't figure out this stupid build system
00:12<dmoerner>xbj9000: ^^
00:12<xbj9000>yes?
00:13<xbj9000>I'm not sure what you mean, I rarely build from source
00:13<xbj9000>I have to because debian stopped giving out the cs46xx driver for some kind of patent reasons
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00:17<dmoerner>running ./configure --enable-cards=cs46xx just doesn't work. odd.
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00:17<xbj9000>the module is called snd_cs46xx if that helps
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00:19<dmoerner>you don't run configure with the snd prefix when enabling drivers
00:19<dmoerner>at least according to the INSTALL doc
00:19<xbj9000>ok
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00:21<xbj9000>trying again with regular Lenny version
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00:22<xbj9000>when I use m-a to build it, it dies with /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/timer.c: In function ‘snd_timer_request’:
00:22<xbj9000>/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/timer.c:155: error: wrong type argument to unary exclamation mark
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00:23<xbj9000>now I moved into the alsa-driver directory and manually did ./configure, no errors
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00:23<xbj9000>well besides this.. config.status: WARNING: Makefile.conf.in seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting
00:25<xbj9000>and now make gives me that same timer.c:155 error
00:26<dmoerner>that error makes no sense the switch statement on line 155 just evaluates a pointer and has no unary operators
00:26<xbj9000>:(
00:26<dmoerner>are you sure you didn't screw something up switching between the lenny/sid versions/untar something wrong?
00:27<xbj9000>nah this is a fresh install from today, with this week's Lenny build iso
00:27<xbj9000>and I tried it several times before trying the Sid one
00:27<dmoerner>alsa-drivers definitely builds fine for me on sid, i don't have a lenny chroot set up right now though to test it on lenny. sorry.
00:27<xbj9000>no weird stuff in my sources.list
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00:28<xbj9000>ok
00:28<xbj9000>it worked a month ago :/
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00:29<xbj9000>thanks for trying dmoerner, any suggestions?
00:31<dmoerner>im looking at the bug reports for hints
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00:32<xbj9000>I only need the one driver and something in the acor directory seems to be crashing it, is there an argument to leave that out, or to only make the ones in /pci ?
00:33<dmoerner>go to bugs.debian.org/464197 and try the patches there
00:33<xbj9000>I tried doing make inside /pci but it did the same thing
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00:41<xbj9000>eh this is a tad beyond me :(
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00:47<xbj9000>dmoerner, when you built it on Sid did you get the snd-cs46xx driver as well?
00:47<dmoerner>no
00:47<xbj9000>hm
00:49<xbj9000>I still have the install from before on another hard drive.. I'm not sure how this works, could I get the module from there and copy it, since it's from the exact same architecture and only a slightly earlier version of Lenny?
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00:51<dmoerner>you could try it
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00:51<dmoerner>but it probably won't work since lenny is pretty strict about modules.dep
00:51<xbj9000>hm
00:51<xbj9000>well do you kno what I will need to copy to try it?
00:52<xbj9000>just the one .ko file?
00:52<dmoerner>i suppose
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00:53<xbj9000>I guess I'll try it, Debian has removed it from everywhere else I guess
00:53<xbj9000>thanks
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01:09<prathibha>when compiling a package I get an error "No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated" How to solve this
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01:13<prathibha>HI anyone there to help!!!
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01:14<dmoerner>what are you trying to compile?
01:15<prathibha>A small package which contains update-desktop-database in postinst file.
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01:19<prathibha>dmoerner, when I compile using sudo infront of dpkg-reconfigure I am not getting any error.
01:20<dmoerner>you don't compile packages with dpkg-reconfigure. perhaps you could clarify what you are doing
01:22<prathibha>dmoerner, Actually I have developed a debian-based application. When I am compiling as root user it is not showing any error. But the same in normal user it displays the following error ""No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated". I am compiling using dpkg-reconfigure command.
01:23<prathibha>dmoerner, Inside debian folder I have added the command "update-desktop-database" inside debian/postinst file
01:24<dmoerner>prathibha: man 8 dpkg-reconfigure: dpkg-reconfigure - reconfigure an already installed package
01:24<dmoerner>probably because update-desktop-database modifies files that are owned by root, so you need root privileges to do that
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01:25<prathibha>dmoerner, even I modified it as "sudo update-desktop-database". Even then it is displaying the same error
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01:27<dmoerner>that is superfluous. debconf calls postinst scripts with root privileges, because they are invoked when you use dpkg to install or reconfigure a package, and you have to have root privileges to run dpkg-reconfigure
01:27<dmoerner>i think you have some fundamental misunderstandings about debian packages because you keep saying you compile with "dpkg-reconfigure" which is not compilation. compilation takes source code and produces a binary.
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01:30<prathibha>dmoerner, ya..that's my mistake and its for reconfiguration only.
01:31<dmoerner>prathibha: if you are reconfiguring a currently installed package, changing something in the debian/ directory of the downloaded source will accomplish nothing.
01:32<dmoerner>all postinst scripts of currently installed packages are in /var/lib/dpkg/info. Manually editing these files to add what you need to postinst is not supported, but is possible. it might be better to just download the package, edit the postinst file localling, and then rebuild a local copy with dpkg-buildpackage.
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01:33<prathibha>dmoerner, sorry what I am using is dpkg-buildpackage and dpkg-reconfigure
01:33<prathibha>dmoerner, sorry what I am using is dpkg-buildpackage and not dpkg-reconfigure
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01:35<dmoerner>ok. to avoid using sudo, you should install fakeroot and then call dpkg-buildpackage as "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -tc -uc -us -b" this will 1) use fakeroot to get root privileges 2) clean the source tree 3/4) not sign the files 5) only build the binary
01:36<prathibha>dmoerner, fakeroot is already installed in my m/c
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01:39<prathibha>dmoerner, any solution
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02:28<damo>how to i download the dvd of debian since it comes it files?
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02:28<jm_>you have links in the installation manual
02:29<damo>ic
02:29<damo>i got it
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03:01<morgan`>hi
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03:26<MadHag>how can I tell if my etch version is 64bit?
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03:27<jm_>uname -a shall tell you as well as dpkg --print-architecture
03:27<MadHag>duh, thanks
03:28<MadHag>i386
03:28<MadHag>red5 thinks I have a 64bit os?
03:28<MadHag>will not install
03:28<erKURITA>you don't
03:29<MadHag>2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
03:30<MadHag>red5 boys on freenode are wide awake then :)
03:30<erKURITA>Red Bull must be popular over there
03:30<MadHag>awaiting a response
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03:31<MadHag>when I try to install red5 it says aha, 64bit os must be centOs, only centOs 64 supported if your os is not centOs please abort now
03:32<MadHag>64 bit processor but my deb is 32 bit
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03:32<erKURITA>it won't run then
03:33<MadHag>I stopped
03:33<erKURITA>if the program has been compiled for a 64-bit arch it won't run
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03:33<MadHag>it runs on a number of os just 64 bit on centOs by the looks of things
03:34<MadHag>infact I am following a debian howto
03:34<MadHag>http://osflash.org/red5/debian
03:34<erKURITA>is packages.debian.org ok?
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03:34<MadHag>at #6 things start to go wrong
03:35<SammyTheSnake>how do I "purge" a package that isn't installed without installing / uninstalling it? the dependencies / conflicts would make that a nightmare!
03:35<jm_>dpkg --purge
03:35<dpkg>i don't know, jm_
03:35<jm_>or aptitude purge foo
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03:37<SammyTheSnake>jm_: /me blinks. I could've *sworn* that didn't work unless the pacakge was installed :-S
03:37<rootkit_t>i found "/root/sent" file is more than 20GB,anyone know howto fix it?
03:37<SammyTheSnake>jm_: ah well, all's well that ends well, etc. :)
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03:37<MadHag>actually it's my bad, I am actually trying to run a directadmin setup.sh :)
03:38<erKURITA>rootkit_t uh? you mean, the sent messages mailbox?
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03:40<xukun>hi all. With lvextend -L+20g /dev/raid/home I made my lvm volume bigger. and with lvdisplay I see the correct lv size but with df command it shows the old size. What am I missing?
03:40<rootkit_t>erKURITA it grow bigger everyday.the file "/root/sent"
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03:43<simonrvn>xukun: um, resize your fs ...
03:43<simonrvn>take not not all take to being resized online (i.e. mounted)
03:44<simonrvn>note not*
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03:46<xukun>simonrvn, that is where I,m stuck?
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03:46<simonrvn>how is that hard? use the right tool for the job
03:47<xukun>hmm
03:49<xukun>simonrvn, what I did is mount -o remount,resize /dev/mapper/raid-home but then I get error saying home is not mounted already or bad option
03:49<simonrvn>then unmount it and do it properly. and mount isn't the tool.
03:51<xukun>simonrvn, just forget get I don't want that kind of help they are just useless words
03:51<MadHag>boo
03:51<simonrvn>i say what i get as info. if you don't provide full info, you don't get full help.
03:52<simonrvn>xukun : check #mindreaders
03:52<variable>I don't have permission to write after mounting ntfs partition just read permission and execute. Is there solution?
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03:53<jm_>!tell variable about ntfsrw
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03:57<rootkit_t>i found "/root/sent" file is more than 20GB,and it grow bigger everyday.anyone know howto fix it?
03:58<simonrvn>um, look at what's sending you all that email, and fix it...
03:59<rootkit_t>i use mutt and cron to sent backup file to lot of people everyday.
03:59<rootkit_t>how can i fix it?
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04:01<MadHag>try rm <file> :)
04:01<rootkit_t>which cfg file i need to mod?
04:01<variable>is it possible that apt-cache search shows and version of app or lib?
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04:03<rootkit_t>is there anyway to cleanup the file automatic by mod the cfg file?
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04:14<jm_>you can configure mutt to not save sent mail as well
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04:15<jm_>variable: what do you mean?
04:16<variable>i nead that it shows and lib version
04:16<variable>because there is some dependency problems
04:16<variable>like this (dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ntfs-3g:
04:16<variable> ntfs-3g depends on libfuse2 (>= 2.6); however:
04:16<variable> Version of libfuse2 on system is 2.5.3-4.4.
04:16<variable> ntfs-3g depends on libntfs-3g2; however:
04:16<variable> Package libntfs-3g2 is not installed.
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04:18<jm_>no apt-cache search can't do that, aptitude can though
04:18<jm_>and do not paste here
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04:18<variable>yes i get it ;]
04:18<variable>i've got kick for that ;]
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04:33<MadHag>!java
04:33<dpkg>methinks java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives>
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04:34<MadHag>!install java
04:34<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives>
04:34<MadHag>!bpo
04:34<dpkg>backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
04:35<MadHag>!java alternatives
04:35<dpkg>Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun".
04:35<MadHag>ta
04:36<MadHag>java-gcj 1041 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj thats the open one?
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04:37<jm_>!tell MadHag -about msg
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04:38<MadHag>ok
04:38<blitz\away>!backports
04:38<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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04:47<MadHag>I am trying to build red5 but it cannot find tools.jar
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04:59<locoabout>hello!. how can i tell updatedb to exclude a folder when updating?
05:00<jm_>hopefully you mean a directory
05:00<locoabout>yes, that i mean
05:01<locoabout>the entire wikipedia is in it
05:01<jm_>prunepaths
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05:01<locoabout>those are the paths excluded?
05:01<locoabout>thanks!.
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05:03<eri>what's up!!!!
05:03<locoabout>the sky XD
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05:03<locoabout>at least it was the last time i checked
05:03<enouf>amphi: failed at the same exact point :-/ Checking for cc version ... 4.1.3
05:04<enouf>amphi: i exported no flags yet though
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05:17<thctlo>hi question, im using dansguarian + squid with auth, i fixed ( redirected ) my config so apt-get update does not have to auth, this works.. now my problem when apt-get updating im getting this message:
05:17<thctlo>W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/source/Sources.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
05:18<thctlo>is this fixable ?
05:18<thctlo>i has to to with the compression ( bz2 ) .. all bz2 files failed
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05:19<jm_>return value 2 indicates corrupt compressed file
05:20<thctlo>yes i know, but ALL files corrupted i dont beleave that
05:20<erKURITA>it means you're downloading the package list correctly thctlo
05:20<erKURITA>choose a closer mirror
05:21<thctlo>ok, same : http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
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05:22<erKURITA>uhm
05:22<thctlo>situation here.. server 1 ( in lan, in apt.conf proxy settings ) , server 2 dansguardian + squid , squid is allowing the servers to go directly to the internet.
05:23<MadHag>!javac
05:23<thctlo>i also tryed apt-cacher, also not working.
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05:23<erKURITA>server 2 is a debian?
05:23<thctlo>all servers are debian.
05:23<thctlo>im using 8 here atm.
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05:24<thctlo>the apt-cacher error was: that the bzip2 file ( for example Packages.bz2 ) was not a bzip2 file..
05:25<themill>MadHag: what are you looking for? (javac is in all the -jdk packages, apt-cache showpkg java-compiler or java2-compiler)
05:25<thctlo>squid does the same, i thing it's because the bzip2 file Packages.bz2 for example is gzipped and bzipped ..
05:26<erKURITA>does it work perfectly on server 2 ?
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05:27<enouf>ooo man, this make &>/dev/null i came up with is just awesome ... it'd be hysterical though if make has a quiet option O_o
05:27<thctlo>no, not with this proxy. the old proxy worked ok, but.. ?? same config, i just copied it.
05:28<erKURITA>I may not be the same program version
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05:28<erKURITA>check the configuration, you may be blocking stuff you don't want
05:28<erKURITA>to be blocked
05:28<thctlo>uhm squid etch, and squid etch .. , only server lenny is using proxy not running proxy
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05:29<MadHag>any familiar with this error /red5-trunk/build.xml:278: Error running javac compiler ??
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05:30<MadHag>java installation seems fine
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05:31<enouf>Does anybody's windows redraw slowly? (in general) ..i'm using konsole as an xterm, but it happens for all windows (when transitioning to/from minimized/maximized), or just clicking to bring into foreground .. although, i must say all my links2 windows are pretty snappy (much more than anything kde-ish)
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05:32<enouf>well, i do have a compile also going on .. in the background .. but even when not - the redrawing is faster, but still noticeable -- how about scrolling while reading a man page in an xterm?
05:32<themill>enouf: only when thrashing because I've trying to do too many things at the same time.
05:33<thctlo>.. ow stupid me.. sorry, erKURITA, i forgot to exclude my servers in the dansguardian configuration.. i works now.
05:33<themill>enouf: actually, I feel the new scheduler seems worse at that than the old one for that. (2.6.24 here, I think it's supposed to be a little better now)
05:33<thctlo>thanx anyway
05:33<enouf>in the scrolling aspect, the screen redraws in globs at a time, like ...
05:33<erKURITA>you're welcome
05:33<enouf>themill: 2.6.26-1 here now
05:34<themill>MadHag: what's the full output (use a pastebin). Also what's the output of "javac -version" and do you know what version of java is required for this source code?
05:34<enouf>themill: i was using 2.6.16 and .18 up until a few days ago - seems the same to me, i guess, from a kernel perspective
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05:35<themill>enouf: fair enough. It's hard to quantify such things based on "impressions"...
05:35<enouf>i added more ram (512MB now) , and the nwer GPU has 64MB rather than 32MB of the older one
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05:35<enouf>i wonder if this would be a case where dtrace would shine through ...
05:36<themill>latencytop?
05:36<enouf>themill: when you open a man page, like say a large one like bash, find, genisoimage, etc .. and scroll using up/down arrows .. is it a smoooth scroll?
05:36<enouf>even small man pages
05:37<enouf>..or .. do you see the text constantly redrawn a few lines up/down from where it was
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05:37<themill>enouf: in konsole? which arrows are you using to scroll? (my $PAGER is less so I can't use the konsole scrollbar for a man page)
05:38<themill>oh you mean up/down cursor keys?
05:38<themill>yes, very nice and smooth scrolling
05:38<enouf>yes, in konsole - the keyboard up/down arrows
05:39<enouf>crap .. mine sucks then .. it always has .. :-/
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05:39<enouf>themill: ok, let me ask, are you using an Xorg driver? or a blob?
05:39<themill>knew there must be something wrong with your setup for you not to like KDE :)
05:39*themill hides
05:39<enouf>2nd - what's your GPU specs? mine's 64MB AGP using nv
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05:43<erKURITA>mine's a 512 MB 8500 GT
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05:43<locoabout__>i've i810 and is smooth too
05:44<themill>enouf: I'm using fglrx because radeon in etch doesn't support this chipset and vesa just doesn't cut it. It's a radeon X1400 and I have no idea how much memory is on board
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05:45<enouf>dang fellas
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05:45<enouf>i guess i need to carefully watch top/htop when scrolling ..
05:46<locoabout__>what if you use nvidia?
05:46<enouf>or something - still.. in win98 (i rebooted into it to test some dvds and crap) i can press the middle-button and it locks an autoscroll .. then you just move the move (in any of 4 directions) and .. it's smooth as all hell
05:46<enouf>locoabout__: i dunno yet :-{
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05:47<locoabout__>use debian wii
05:47<enouf>i don't want to use blobs
05:47<locoabout__>it is excelently explained
05:47<locoabout__>wiki*
05:47*enouf mus try nouveau though
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05:47<enouf>i'm just not convinced it's a GPU or GPU driver issue
05:47<jm_>enouf: wasn't there some bug with KDE and nvidia driver that causes this with latest KDE?
05:47<themill>enouf: do you have transparency stuff turned on for konsole? that is a huge performance hit. (I'm presuming you don't as that's not very enouf-like... :)
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05:47<enouf>jm_: 3.5.9 i'm using, but it's always been this way for me
05:48<enouf>themill: no .. almost ALL that frill stuff is off ... i do have it on my taksbar/panel/kicker thing
05:49<jm_>enouf: are you using nv driver?
05:49<enouf>themill: and konqueror? forget about it - it loads pages worse than 1995 Dialup for me :-(
05:49<locoabout__>for my experience with nvidia cards i can tell you it's the driver =P
05:49<enouf>jm_: yes
05:49<locoabout__>you must use nvidia driver :P
05:49<enouf>i must admit, i installed the nvidia driver for win98 on 98 ..
05:49<locoabout__>forget about it. it is it.
05:49<themill>enouf: konqi isn't my favourite web browser, but it's fast enough for me as a file manager.
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05:51<enouf>themill: i mean, say you have 2 tabs open, and (in 2nd tab) you click a URL to open a 3rd .. i can't even click back to 1st tab till almsot the whole page loads ... and it takes 5-10sec atleast, even on bare html pages with not much of anything
05:52<themill>opening new tabs can be slowish, but I've never seen anything quite that bad
05:52<enouf>it's gotta be the software - because atleast links2 is snappy and loads real fast ...
05:52<enouf>and i'm not here to complain ... i just want smooth scroling :-{
05:53<enouf>i can not open konq, so not a real issue for me
05:53<locoabout__>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo?highlight=(nvidia)
05:53<enouf>and i mean in konsole .. or any tabbed xterm that can do it
05:53<locoabout__>try that. if it persists then we see.
05:54<enouf>locoabout__: this is a p2, just so you know ;-) but yeah, the legacy drivers i'd need
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05:54<themill>locoabout__: I think you'll find enouf knows how to install nvidia if he wants to... he's probably helped thousands of others do so over the years. He just doesn't want to use the non-free drivers because they are, well, non-free.
05:54<enouf>themill: not quite like that - but thanks ;-)
05:55<themill>enouf: p2... heh.. now we might be getting somewhere
05:55<locoabout__>i see. but he could see if that's the problem and then uninstall the non-free and stick with free
05:55<enouf>locoabout__: point ... i can test some other theories i have as well - about other things ;-)
05:55<enouf>themill: i know, i know - but well ... still
05:56<themill>enouf: I use one of them for a door stop. You could probably use if for a boat anchor if you've got enough door stops
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05:57<enouf>i don't know, maybe my expectations are too high -- we'll see -- thanks for all the thoughts and helpful hints and shared experience guys
05:58<themill>:)
05:58<locoabout__>see command nice also
05:59<themill>enouf: does renicing your compile help?
05:59<enouf>right now, i wonder if i'll ever get over this annoying mplayer compile ... for days i've trying - it fails at a certain point not too far in, i fix it usually by addding a missing -dev package/file, and lately i'm stuck at the same point, at one hour in ... it fails at the same place each time ..
06:00<enouf>themill: i could test that ...
06:00<daemon>enouf, on the scrolling issue, I think your expectations are high, I have a p3 with the same issue
06:00<themill>enouf: apt-get build-dep mplayer not of any help?
06:01<enouf>themill: ya know - haha, i forgot all about that - but i did need to install about 80-100 other -dev pkgs which i found a bit odd
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06:01<enouf>themill: i mean, i had most everything to start - or so i thought ..heh
06:02<themill>eww!
06:02<daemon>time to swap to vlc :)
06:02<enouf>oh goody, compile finished - let's check if it failed gain
06:02<enouf>daemon: i know .. i just might ...
06:03<enouf>daemon: but .. i'm a persistent bugger :-P
06:03<enouf>daemon: i can't let it win! :-)
06:03<daemon>hehe
06:03<daemon>enouf, you will get it eventually ;)
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06:06<enouf>omg - i think it might have worked O_o
06:06<enouf>i still can't tell for sure ;-)
06:07<daemon>enouf, if your brave and want to test a huge variety of formats
06:07<daemon>install gtk-gnutella type in something like 'funny video
06:07<daemon>and download all
06:07<enouf>i have no h264.o .. still - but, i supposedly disabled it .. hrmm.... me pokes around some more
06:07<daemon>there all misnamed to .aspx is .mpeg etc ;)
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06:07<amphi>enouf: it did what you told it? ;)
06:07<MadHag>whats the commant to install java jdk anyone know please
06:07<MadHag>*command
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06:08<MadHag>!jdk
06:08<enouf>amphi: for the first time, i think the pig listened to my squeal :-P
06:08<amphi>heh
06:08<themill>dpkg: tell MadHag about install java
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06:08<themill>MadHag: but install the sun-java5-jdk package (or sun-java6-jdk package) as well as the -plugin package
06:08<MadHag>done that
06:09<MadHag>I am after the development kit
06:09<themill>MadHag: also run update-java-alternatives
06:09<daemon>MadHag, you about to say some sitse work and some do not
06:09<MadHag>not the environment
06:09<themill>MadHag: [11:08] <themill> MadHag: but install the sun-java5-jdk package (or sun-java6-jdk package) as well as the -plugin package
06:09<MadHag>thanks
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06:09<MadHag>I am installing red5 not browsing the web :)
06:10<MadHag>almost there
06:10<daemon>thats an intresting one actually, I have java working.. sun jdk 5 and 6 but a site that works with sun jdk 5 or 6 in windows or freebsd
06:10<daemon>wont work in debian using either..
06:10<daemon>although most others do
06:10<MadHag>its tools.jar that is missing
06:10<MadHag>its not with the jre is it, but with the jdk
06:10<themill>so install the jdk package as I've told you 3 times now
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06:10<MadHag>I am, I said thanks
06:11<MadHag>twice now
06:11<MadHag>:)
06:11<daemon>oh another intresting thing if i drop down into java console to see what happens
06:11<daemon>the threads all init and what not but the stack size is going
06:11<themill>[10:25] <themill> MadHag: what are you looking for? (javac is in all the -jdk packages, apt-cache showpkg java-compiler or java2-compiler)
06:11<themill>three times
06:11<daemon>400->2500 in increments of numbers in the range of 100-230
06:11<locoabout__>this autoremove thing is veryyyy nice XD.
06:11<daemon>up and down like and a big christmas tre
06:11<daemon>e
06:12<daemon>any ideas anyone :)
06:12<MadHag>themill, if I have java 5 will java 6 jdk mess with things?
06:12<daemon>MadHag, no
06:12<locoabout__>no.
06:12<MadHag>thanks
06:13<MadHag>always best to aske before I guess
06:13<locoabout__>XD
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06:13<themill>MadHag: but do select one jdk for all java stuff using update-java-alternatives
06:15<MadHag>I have 3 to choose but their environments and not devkits
06:15<MadHag>is the package site down?
06:16<themill>MadHag: you probably want: update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun
06:16<MadHag>done that but java 5
06:16<enouf>amphi: i jumped the gun :-(
06:16<enouf>amphi: was looking at the time stamps in the wrong directory :-/
06:17<enouf>amphi: same , almost exactly, http://pastebin.ca/raw/1198020
06:17<MadHag>sun-java6-jdk cant find package ??
06:17<themill>MadHag: etch?
06:17<MadHag>yeah
06:17<locoabout__>only 5 in etch
06:17<MadHag>ah
06:17<themill>MadHag: did you read what dpkg said about java6?
06:17<MadHag>it will do
06:17<themill>(in the install java factoid)
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06:17<variable>i installed jdk 6
06:17<variable>in etch
06:18<MadHag>what was your apt command
06:18<themill>dpkg: tell MadHag about install java
06:18<themill>dpkg: tell MadHag about backports.org
06:18<locoabout__>backports or parallel mirror
06:18<variable>but to compile the source i have to show directly where is that compiler
06:18<MadHag>I did that I installed the java 5 plugin
06:19<MadHag>backports heh!
06:19<MadHag>java 5 will do fine for me
06:19<MadHag>I just needs this tools.jar
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06:20<locoabout__>or you can always download from sun XD
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06:20<MadHag>cool, java5 sdk installed
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06:22<MadHag>woohoo build sucessful, red5 built :)
06:22*MadHag makes a coffee
06:22<amphi>enouf: no idea - why not build the dmm source package?
06:22<MadHag>thanks guys :)
06:22<locoabout__>np
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06:23<th-nvstgr>bon et pour la console
06:23<th-nvstgr>c'est quoi la command pour se logguer?
06:24<enouf>amphi: cause i'm an idiot? the original goal was to try and see if dmm pkg was a bit, undertweaked, cause DVD playback is eating up to 80% CPU - and moves ~50-70 at all times :-(
06:24<themill>!fr
06:24<dpkg>well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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06:24<enouf>amphi: but now - i'm on a mission ;-)
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06:25<Arthuza>anyone had much luck with cpanel on debian?
06:25<themill>enouf: is it de-css-ing while playing DVDs? I struggled to get that to work at all on a P3.
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06:25<enouf>Oh, btw guys - i've been using gcc 4.3.1, then recently, last 2-3 tries, i'm using 4.1 that i still had installed
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06:26<enouf>themill: the shame is (and i hate when other people do/say this too) .. it works fine in win98 :-(
06:26<enouf>themill: they are all stamped/pressed bought and paid for hollywierdo movies
06:26<themill>enouf: but is it using software descrambling under linux whereas it's not under windoze?
06:26<MadHag>Arthuza, directadmin is well worth a look at, works nice on etch
06:27<enouf>themill: no, both OSes are using software for everything, decoding and descrambling
06:27<amphi>enouf: what output driver are you using? xv?
06:27<enouf>amphi: indeed
06:28<amphi>enouf: perhaps nv is poor for that>
06:28<amphi>?
06:28<enouf>with xvinfo showing nice nvidia blitter info ;-)
06:28<amphi>the cpu usage is significantly higher fs than at native res?
06:28<enouf>amphi: perhaps - i guess i wanted to test out 3-5 theories, and i'm stuck at .85 :-P
06:29<enouf>amphi: no not really, the motion is jerky too -- every 1 second or so, you can see the video 'jump' to kind of realign, catchup
06:30<enouf>like a bad stutter
06:30<amphi>if fs cpu usage is significantly higher, that suggests scaling is not being done in the hw
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06:30<amphi>enouf: does enabling frame-dropping help with that?
06:30<enouf>amphi: you asked me about fs == full screen, right?
06:30<enouf>windowed and fs == same
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06:31<enouf>amphi: nope - i tried soft .. then hard
06:31<amphi>yes
06:31<amphi>what about -ao? alsa?
06:31<MadHag>org.red5.server.Standalone - Startup done in: 7550 ms
06:31<MadHag>woohoo
06:31<amphi>sometimes -ao sdl works better
06:31<enouf>amphi: there are some other options to try .. say when you see the message "Your CPU is too slow to play this!!" .. and then it offers some options .,.. lmao
06:32<enouf>amphi: i have yet to try
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06:32<enouf>as i said, i'm on step 0.0.85 ;0
06:32<amphi>perhaps it's time to 'find' a new machine ;)
06:32<enouf>and stuck there :-P
06:32<enouf>wanna bring me some lunch? :-P
06:32<MadHag>whats the best free live video stream community software then for etch :)
06:33*amphi dccs enouf some calamares
06:33<enouf>amphi: the irony is; i have newer machines ..
06:33*enouf nom nom nom
06:33<enouf>;-)
06:33<amphi>oh, I see, this is just a rod you have constructed for your own back ;)
06:34<enouf>haha .. well - i like to call it my battleaxe ;-)
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06:34<enouf>amphi: someone has to fight the bloat monster :-O ...
06:35<enouf>it's the least i can do, since i generally suck at computing and couldn't program my way out of a paper bag
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06:35<amphi>thinking of bloat, I see disappointing levels of enthusiasm for songbird
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06:36<enouf>thanks for the lunch! ;-)
06:37<TWiSTEDSO>Hello , when inserting a sata hd in the system the bios finds it , but when booting into gentoo im getting this error: www.receptarkiv.se/errordebian.jpg Any hints how to solve it ?
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06:43<simonrvn>sounds like a gentoo problem...
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06:44<simonrvn>TWiSTEDSO: ^^^
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06:45<mykhi>hey, im looking for help on configureing xorg.conf for ATI Radeon HD4870 cards, do anyone knows anything? cant find anything usefull on google, and all i did in xorg.conf was changed in driver section form "vesa" to "fglrx" (and i doubt its enough)
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06:47<enouf>sigh .. newer htop is buggy as all heck
06:47<simonrvn>TWiSTEDSO: compatibility jumper on the drive?
06:47<TWiSTEDSO>did check the samsung page
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06:47<TWiSTEDSO>fetching some tools to turn the drive to 1.5 gb instead of 3.0
06:47<themill>TWiSTEDSO: on another channel, we were bitching about you asking gentoo questions in #debian and one of the guys said "it's a hardware problem caused by using a sata2 disk on a sata1 motherboard, without using the compatibility jumper on the drive."
06:48<TWiSTEDSO>im running debian ...
06:48<TWiSTEDSO>aha did misstype in the first line
06:48<TWiSTEDSO>sorry :D
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06:53<variable>how to add windows boot line in grub list?
06:54<jm_>variable: are you using grub 2?
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06:57<variable>i don't know which
06:57<variable>how to check it?
06:59<jm_>try dpkg -l 'grub*'
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07:00<variable>grup version is grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
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07:00<jm_>then you don't - you have examples in grub info pages
07:00<variable>thanks ;]
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07:00<jm_>Booting -> OS-specific notes -> DOS/Windows
07:01<jm_>don't do the map/hide/unhide/makeactive thing by default though
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07:06<enouf>jm_: and variable there's an example in the Examples section of /boot/grub/menu.lst ...
07:06<obmun>Hi all. Has anyone seen this: adding a partition to an md array changes that disk layout (partition table)?
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07:15<variable>what command will show the list of all available partitioins
07:15<variable>?
07:16<amphi>fdisk -l
07:16<jm_>fdisk, cat, ...
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07:17<enouf>maybe htop isn't buggy, like i said - it's just the peculiarities of the way make works
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07:18<obmun>http://pastebin.com/m341ee953
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07:19<obmun>md is modifying a Sun Disk label
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07:20<obmun>No bug apparently in Kernel Bugzilla or Debian one. Is this new?
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07:26<damo>i have ran out of downloads so i only have the first dvd of debian, will it work of 1 cd?
07:26<damo>dvd
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07:26<themill>damo: that's enough for most things
07:27<damo>cool
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07:40<damo>what do i use to install graphics on debian?
07:40<damo>is there a program?
07:40<jm_>apt
07:40<newsense>aptitude
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07:42<damo>whwhere can i find it
07:42<damo>where in the menus
07:42<damo>applications?
07:42<newsense>go to terminal
07:42<jm_>find what?
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07:43<damo>aptitude
07:43<newsense>run it from a console or terminal
07:43<damo>ok how
07:43<wb>hi i am a newer .
07:43<jm_>!tell damo -about grounding
07:43<damo>im new
07:44<damo>tottaly
07:44<newsense>hit cntrl+alt+f1 than login as root and run aptitude
07:44<wb>hehe newer and newer
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07:44<wb>why my root account hasn't a password?
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07:45<wb>I was out ? why my question has no require
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07:47<damo>hey
07:48<damo>i run aptitude, u just dont know what do to?
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07:49<wb>if sb can speak to me thanks a lot .I can't sure is there my prom is work
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07:51<jm_>wb: you're not using Debian, right?
07:51<wb>damo
07:51<wb>no
07:52<wb>i used debian for 1 year
07:52<wb>hehe
07:52<wb>how about u
07:52<noflash>wb, this is a debian support channel...not a general chat channel
07:52<damo>yea
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07:53<amphi>!u
07:53<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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07:53<damo>i tryed running aptitutde but i didnt know what to do can someone help me please?
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07:53<wb>damo
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07:53<MadHag>any red5 users here?
07:53<damo>yes
07:54<wb>1.apt-get install aptitude install
07:54<myownlittlworld>Damo, what are you trying to install? And you're using Debian, right?
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07:54<damo>im trying to install my fraphics card
07:54<damo>i use debian now
07:54<damo>yes
07:54<wb>use command
07:54<wb>o
07:55<wb>if your computer very new then it can't work
07:55<damo>ok its not
07:55<damo>apt-get install aptitude install
07:55<variable>"NTLDR is missing" after editing grub/menu.list
07:55<damo>u mean
07:55<wb>i mean
07:56<myownlittlworld>just "apt-get install aptitude"
07:56<noflash>Sunday is running long this week ;)
07:56<variable>i need to boot windows but i have that error
07:56<damo>its already the latest version
07:56<damo>wb
07:56<wb>if setup system it can't work then the card was very ***
07:57<damo>its works on ubuntu
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07:57<damo>its a nvidia
07:57<wb>oh i know
07:57<damo>i dont know how to set it up!
07:57<wb>you setup the base system without X?
07:57<myownlittlworld>damo: do you have Gnome, KDE, X, or anything like that installed?
07:57<damo>Gnome
07:58<wb>and it dosen't work
07:58<damo>aptitude does work
07:59<damo>i dont know how to use it:P
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07:59<noflash>damo, consider reading the aptitude documentation
07:59<damo>ok
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08:01<myownlittlworld>you probably want to install the "xserver-xorg-video-all" package, it'll install video card drivers for every card Debian supports.
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08:01<wb>"lspci" see the echo
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08:03<damo>how do i access xserver-xorg-video-all on my desktop?
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08:04<myownlittlworld>that's a package you'll want to install from a package manager like aptitude or synaptic
08:04<damo>its installed:P
08:04<damo>how do i access it
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08:05<wb>you re install your system and select windows then all is OK
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08:06<myownlittlworld>the video driver should be used automatically if it's installed, as far as I can tell.
08:06<jm_>install xorg package
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08:11<wb>who know how to hack a cisco router
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08:14<monitor>sdzfgdszfgds
08:14<monitor>dfd
08:14<monitor>dsfsd\z
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08:15<monitor>yes
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08:26<damo>can someone help me installing my graphics card on Debain please?
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08:27<jm_>damo: i told you, install xorg package
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08:27<damo>hm i have installed it how do i access it
08:27<jm_>startx
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08:28<jm_>or better yet, install gdm
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08:28<Arthuza>eww gdm
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08:29<ranix>nothing wrong with gdm
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08:29<Arthuza>might as well buy windows if u want a full gui system :P
08:30<ranix>get the fuck out
08:30<jm_>ok so you help him then
08:31<Arthuza>you guys bite wel :P
08:31<Arthuza>well*
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08:33<teratoma>debian sure makes people cranky
08:34<ranix>no, "drr install windows" makes people cranky
08:34<ranix>that's helping about as much as a finger up the ass
08:34<Arthuza>take a valium already
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08:38<themill>Arthuza: if you don't have anything constructive to say, then please be quiet. You weren't as funny as you think you were.
08:39<Arthuza>i didnt add a lol anywhere in there .. never claimed it was funny
08:40<enouf>damo: if you're using etch, do /msg dpkg drxx
08:40<variable>i have very big problem with alsa drivers, one app can use just one stream and others have to whait till it releas that stream. how can i fix this problem that all app could use that sound card?
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08:40<damo>ok
08:40<enouf>damo: you do that in your irc client to msg the channel bot - which tells you a nice factoid
08:41<themill>Arthuza: in which case you're just a troll.
08:41<Arthuza>no bridges where i live
08:41<damo>i wanna use xorg package but i cannot find it
08:41<damo>i have installed it
08:41<enouf>catfish? or a lawyer? ... wait - they're the same :-P
08:42<enouf>"bottom feeders"
08:42<jm_>!drxx damo
08:42<dpkg>damo: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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08:45<Tallken>!xmd5sum
08:45<dpkg>[xmd5] If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | diff -sq /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum -" -- if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, run "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made.
08:45<damo>how do i get to root
08:45<enouf>damo: it would do you well to msg the bot about most of the <factoids> that jm_ showed you in the <grounding> factoid - do "/msg dpkg selfell"
08:45<enouf>damo: su
08:45<damo>ok
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08:46<damo>ok opened
08:46<enouf>damo: enter your passwd correctly - once your're done as root user, type "exit"
08:46<damo>what one do i select? i have nvidia card
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08:46<enouf>damo: nv
08:46<damo>okies
08:47<enouf>damo: the Xorg nvidia driver is called "nv" - whereas the nVidia Corp 3D Proprietary one is called "nvidia"
08:47<Aleric>Can someone give me an example of /etc/bind/named.conf.options ? It seems I overwrote it with garbage.
08:47<enouf>Aleric: reinstall it?
08:48<Aleric>How?
08:48<Arthuza>dpkg -r bind
08:48*dpkg removes bind along with a pound of flesh from arthuza's body, then staples arthuza back up with a staple gun.
08:48<enouf>Aleric: wait - find out which files it installs and back those up
08:48<enouf>then apt-get --reinstall install <pkg>
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08:48<damo>im using a laptop dell what is my keyboard variant?
08:49<jm_>!tell Aleric -about confmiss
08:49<enouf>dpkg -L <pkg>
08:49<dpkg>ii <pkg> 1.7-13.3 enouf's private gamp collection
08:49<Aleric>I'm sure it would be easier if someone pasted their somewhere :p
08:49<enouf>sure, confmiss as well
08:49<Aleric>theirs*
08:49<enouf>nobody uses that crap O_O
08:49<enouf><jk>
08:49<enouf>and wouldn't theirs be ... custom?
08:50<Aleric>yes
08:50<enouf>you want my hdparm.conf too?
08:50<Arthuza>lol
08:50<Aleric>No
08:50<enouf>how about my mplayer/config ?
08:50<enouf>ok
08:50<Aleric>Just /etc/bind/named.conf.options will do fine, thanks.
08:50<enouf>i don't have any - i don't think
08:51<enouf>jm_: themill amphi just an update - i repulled anew from svn, still gcc-4.1 set, not using any cflags, and i removed a lot of the eemingly unnecessary --enable-this options -- let's see in an hour ;-)
08:52<enouf>oh and the loxxxxxxx guy
08:52<themill>persistent bugger, aren't you?
08:52<enouf>locoabout__ <-- seems MIA ;-)
08:52<enouf>indeed ;-)
08:52<amphi>that's more of a distant early warning of an update ;)
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08:52<enouf>haha
08:52<enouf>you like Rush, eh? ;-)
08:53<amphi>"across the wires the message came, 'He is no better, he is much the same'"
08:53<amphi>rush?
08:53<enouf>"distant early warning"
08:54<amphi>we used to see the old DEW line radars here and there as children, so the term stuck in my mind
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09:10<enouf>amphi: $ ./bin/youtube.sh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0u9MdHA98
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09:20<amphi>enouf: ~/bin is in my PATH, thanks
09:22<enouf>amphi: i used to have mine setup like that , until one day, i inadvertantly gunzipped+cpio'd an initrd into it - and guess what, those, in there, were (ended up, in effect) the main system binaries i ended up using O_O
09:23<variable>enkrypt, what was on that wideo?
09:23<amphi>heh
09:23<enouf>amphi: wondering why 'mount' was acting funny on me :_P
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09:23<enouf>variable: it tells you - it's a band
09:23<enouf>variable: wrong nick ;-)
09:23<variable>;]
09:26<enouf>amphi: themill and whomever ...
09:26<enouf>FAIL! ... dammit
09:27<enouf>same place too :-/
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09:27<variable>please help me with sound
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09:27<enouf>stupid cabac.h file
09:27<amphi>!blame cabac.h
09:27*dpkg blames kop and cabac.h for all the evil in the world
09:27<enouf>i got a hangover - and my compiles suck - i'm grumpy
09:27<enouf>heh
09:28<amphi>have a gin & vodka, that'll clear the cobwebs
09:28<enouf>ya know, i might just do that ;-)
09:28<amphi>an invigorating tonic ;)
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09:29<themill>tonic? that would dilute the EtOH
09:29<amphi>who mentioned tonic?
09:29<amphi>gin & vodka, & ice according to taste
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09:29<enouf>yeah, tonic os for hair :-P
09:30<enouf>s/os/is
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09:30<variable>wow gin and vodka is not so good ;]
09:31<amphi>what's wrong with it? it's the ideal 11am pickmeup ;)
09:32<variable>because i know how it hits you in the head after few glasses of this mixture :]]
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09:36<themill>variable: that's the floor, not the drink.
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09:37<amphi>heh
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09:38<variable>it's the way how we saying in ower country, when you get drink to fast ;]]
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09:44<daemon>hey all
09:44<daemon> what sohuld I install if i want the the glut libraries
09:44<daemon>well opengl libraries
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09:47<qq->apt-cache search glut
09:47<amphi>daemon: libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri for a start
09:48<daemon>amphi, many thanks
09:49<enouf>erm .. Preparing to replace ffmpeg 0.cvs20070307-6 (using .../ffmpeg_3%3a20080706-0.2_i386.deb) ...
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09:50<enouf>does anyone realize that version 1.0 was sometime in 2003 ?
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09:50<enouf>how the F did i ever get a 0.x ?
09:50<Franck_>hello ; wpa_supplicant problem :
09:50<Franck_>if i have only 1 "network" in my /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa.conf -> it works
09:50<enouf>the changelog is HUGE .. or maybe i'm comparing dmm pkgs with official names/versions
09:51<Franck_>if i had another "network", when i "ifup ra0", it fails :
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09:52<Franck_>do you need other precisions ?
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09:54<natmaka>Hi all! Which Debian policy states that a package must avoid any non strictly required privilege to a software? I mean: most packages isolate each daemons through their specific respective system accounts, use a dedicated and non privileged database account, and so on. I fail to find the explicit policy stating all this, albeit I'm fairly sure that I already read it.
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09:58<themill>natmaka: section 10.9 perhaps?
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09:59<Nineip>ola
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10:01<natmaka>themill thanks! Thats very close, I will rad it carefully. I searched for "privilege" and "account" and cannot find anything pertinent.
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10:02<daemon>hey guys, on a normal day, wake up, watch porn, shoot some people and shut down again
10:03<daemon>what mounted folders (excluding swap and /var)
10:03<daemon>get the most read/write's
10:03<daemon>infact skip reads, which gets the most writes/updates
10:04<daemon>this is of course also excluding /home when running bittorrent applications ;)
10:04<natmaka>10.9 doesnt exactly copes with isolation. 'seems weird to me that there is no policy about "isolation", nor pertinent policy containing the part-of-keywords "account" or "privileg"
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10:07<themill>natmaka: yeah, it's quite what you're looking for. It's sort of so obvious it might not be in policy though.
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10:16<aitano>hola
10:16<aitano>!list
10:16<dpkg>one warez list being sent to aitano
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10:21<kingsley>How can one tell which version of flash was installed by update-flashplugin-nonfree?
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10:25<buffoon_work>kingsley, try apt-cache policy update-flashplugin-nonfree
10:26<zep^>doesn't the cdrom mount itself on lenny ? i got 1 cd rom and when i put a cd in it i cant find where the files are, i've tried /cdrom , /media/cdrom and /media/cdrom0
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10:28<DTE>hi all
10:28<DTE>is someone maybe using lenny and kvm?
10:28<kingsley>buffoon_work: That found nothing, and "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" (the package) only reported the debian package's version.
10:28<DTE>mayb with the lenny installer?
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10:29<buffoon_work>kingsley, if you installed it with a installation script (and not with .debs) then you'll have no luck with apt-cache policy
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10:30<buffoon_work>you'd have to discover it yourself... maybe with about:plugins in your browser
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10:32<Arthuza>any one successfuly got cpanel running on deb?
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10:37<enouf>zep^: try mount
10:37<enouf>zep^: check out /etc/fstab
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10:37<frenchy>is there an easy way to install the nvidia driver, ive tried the one from nvidias site and i tried envy and had no luck with either of them
10:37<enouf>!nvidia
10:37<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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10:38<enouf>another unsupported way is the <nvidia.run> factoid
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10:39<Arthuza>i know i know .. but any of you guys used centos before .. if so is it as ugly as RH?
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10:40<enouf>it should be a mirror image
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10:40<enouf>(just no support, nor updates/upgrades)
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10:42<themill>enouf: nvidia.run factoid? do you mean nvidia-installer factoid?
10:43<enouf>hrm
10:43<enouf>!nvidia.run
10:43<enouf>!nv.run
10:43<dpkg>i heard nv.run is known as <nvidia installer> - ask me about that
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10:43<enouf>themill: i dunno - maybe someone removed it
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10:44<enouf>!listkeys .run
10:44<dpkg>Factoid search of '.run' by key (1): nv.run.
10:44<enouf>yeah, altered
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10:46<themill>dpkg: nvidia.run is <reply> see nvidia installer
10:46<dpkg>okay, themill
10:46<themill>dpkg: no, nv.run is <reply> see nvidia installer
10:46<dpkg>themill: okay
10:46<enouf>heh, both would work :-P
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10:47<enouf>anyways, this time - i went into the config.{h,mak} files and told h264 "no dammit, no!" ;-)
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10:56<hahnp>which kind of gui are you using, guys?
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10:56<myownlittlworld>emacs
10:57<enouf>hahnp: the binary kind
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10:58<archie>i see the nv driver now supports a dualhead option on my GeForce 6200, very nice
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10:58<archie>is there a way to get the "twinview" behaviour where one of the screens is the primary one with taskbars and the other is just extra space?
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11:01<variable>i updated alsa-drivers now i cannot hear sound from any player
11:01<variable>but there is soum noise in speaker
11:02<variable>i even can speak through microfon and i can hear it
11:03<variable>so how can i fix that i could hear my player sound too
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11:08<archie>variable: is the volume turned up? you can check is alsamixer or similar
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11:08<enouf>!alsa chechlist
11:08<myownlittlworld>something could've become muted too
11:08<enouf>!alsa checklist
11:08<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
11:09<variable>yes it is
11:09<enouf>!speaker-test
11:09<dpkg>rumour has it, speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck>
11:10<variable>when i play xmms it sais that please check ... ;/
11:10<myownlittlworld>do you have the alsa driver selected in xmms?
11:11<variable>yes
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11:12<variable>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
11:13<variable>it the same problem as earlier, one stream per app
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11:17<variable>i don't know what to do, maybe there is some solution?
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11:28<myownlittlworld>i'd try logging out and in again, and following the alsachecklist suggestions
11:28<myownlittlworld>variable: if none of that works, try googling for "alsa dmix"
11:29<variable>yes now i'm doing it
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11:33<andrey95>Извиняюсь...Какой тут язык?
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11:37<mobil-7k>andrey95: àíãëèéñêèé
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11:39<noflash>!ru
11:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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11:40<andrey95>Thanks
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11:44<JRHartley>enouf: another happy alsa customer eh ?
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11:45<variable>hmm i manual updated alsa drivers but in db there is old version of alsa drivere sand etc
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11:46<variable>how to change it?
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11:46<variable>is there some kind of update db?
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11:46<JRHartley>variable: did you get your problem with alsalib sorted out ?
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11:47<variable>no
11:47<variable>i have 1.0.17 lib
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11:48<variable>i thogth that it will fix the problem but not ;/
11:49<variable>i installed almost all what is here http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Download
11:50<qq-> updatedb ?
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11:53<MadHag>306/tcp open mysql MySQL (unauthorized) is that normal could anyone tell me?
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11:53<MadHag>its the unauthorized bit I dont like
11:54<variable>the list of installed packages
11:54<variable>qq-, the list of installed packages
11:55<qq-><<<" is there some kind of update db"
11:55<JRHartley>variable: do you have a system-wide alsa configuration file ? /etc/asound.conf or maybe /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf ?
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11:56<cahoot>variable: not unless you made debs of your compiled results
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11:56<variable>yes i have /etc/asound.conf
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11:56<variable>cahoot, i did all manualy with ./configure make make install
11:57<JRHartley>variable: and has it got definitions for defaults.pcm.dmix.* ?
11:57<cahoot>variable: then debains package system has no way to keep track of them
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11:58<variable>i found it on /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf and there is somthing about that defaults.pcm.dmix
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11:59<JRHartley>variable: and also pcm.dmix ?
12:00<variable>yes
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12:02<Zylvain>hi, after some dist-update, I got my laptop touchpad enabling vertical scrolling when i touch its rightest part. How to remove this function, I can't find it in Preferences/Mouse ... ?
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12:03<JRHartley>variable: ok. what about /dev/snd/* have you got at least controlC0 midiC0D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p seq timer ?
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12:04<variable>there is what i have: controlC0 hwC0D2 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c pcmC0D1p pcmC0D2c timer
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12:04<JRHartley>variable: can i ask what sound card you have ?
12:04<igormorgado>hi there. Im running 1.2.7-4etch3 in debian etch, but now when I try to add a printer, on web screen "Make/Manufacturer for PRINTER", it stays forever until a timeout. Log Level is Debug and I havent find any clue to this problem. Any tips
12:05<variable>Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Aud io Controller
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12:06<variable>I saw that alsa support this sound card
12:06<JRHartley>variable: ok. is that the snd-intel8x0 module ? lsmod
12:07<variable>emm how to check it?
12:07<JRHartley>lsmod
12:07<JRHartley>lsmod | grep snd. you should have a bunch of them
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12:08<variable>ok i have alot ;]
12:08<variable>which of them you need?
12:09<JRHartley>variable: the first one
12:09<variable>this one : snd_hda_intel 344024 1
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12:11<JRHartley>variable: ok. a couple of things. the snd_hda_intel may be the wrong module. also you seem to have something using the card at the moment. lsof /dev/snd/* to see what that is
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12:13<JRHartley>variable: if you have any sound servers like esd, arts, pulse or whatever you should disable them, unless you really *need* desktop sound effects when closing windows etc
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12:13<variable>i thing there is esd
12:13<variable>yes it is
12:14<variable>esd is running
12:14<variable>so i have to kill it?
12:14<JRHartley>variable: are you using gnome ?
12:14<variable>yes
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12:14<JRHartley>variable: in the settings for sound in the menu, turn off the esd sound system
12:15<variable>i did it
12:15<variable>but the process is running
12:15<JRHartley>variable: and is it stopped now ?
12:15<JRHartley>ah
12:15<variable>and i don't know why but same with vlc
12:15<variable>i turn it of but is still playing
12:15<variable>;/
12:16<variable>so should i kill it?
12:16<JRHartley>i don't actually have esd installed, but i think you want to do "/etc/init.d/esound stop"
12:16<variable>ok
12:16<JRHartley>or esd stop or whatever it is
12:17<JRHartley>also kill off any media players etc. so that "lsof /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*" shows nothing
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12:18<variable>i cannot turn of esd ;/
12:19<variable>i tryed to kill but no luck
12:20<JRHartley>variable: try "killall -9 esd"
12:20<adamm>kill -9
12:20<variable>yes i killed it
12:20<JRHartley>variable: now is "lsof /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*" blank ?
12:21<variable>yes if i write with * char
12:21<adamm>ESD and related are monsters. I don't understand why ALSA can't use software mixer all the time - would fix all problems.
12:21<variable>but is i write lsof /dev/snd/ it shows me some things
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12:22<JRHartley>adamm: yes agreed. arts and pulse are just as bad
12:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 363] by debhelper
12:22<JRHartley>variable: what things ?
12:22<jthomas>I am trying to get Apache2 working with Python2.5 on Etch (Debian4). Mod_Python doesn't work for Python2.5, so I figured I'd have to compile from source. When I try to run "./configure --with-python /usr/bin/python" I get the error "configure: error: This version of mod_python only works with Python major version 2. The one you have seems to be ." Help?
12:22<variable>COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME bash 5543 root cwd DIR 0,13 200 4203 /dev/snd/ lsof 23066 root cwd DIR 0,13 200 4203 /dev/snd/ lsof 23067 root cwd DIR 0,13 200 4203 /dev/snd/
12:23<adamm>If you use *default device* settings, you get software mixer, but if you specify "hw:0,0" or whatever, you get direct hardware stuff. So leaving all output as "default device" in alsa seems to fix the "can't open sound device" problems in most applications.
12:24<jackyf>jthomas: upgrade mod_python?
12:24<Zylvain>anyone knows how to desactivate touchpad scrolling function ?
12:24<jthomas>jackyf its at its highest Etch level.
12:24<jthomas>the whole system has been dist-upgraded to Etch (from Etch)
12:24<myownlittlworld>jthomas: is mod_wsgi available? it's great for uniting apache+python apps
12:24<JRHartley>adamm: yes. also choosing "software mixing" if it is avavilable in the media app, is desirable
12:25<jthomas>not sure myownlittlworld but i need mod_python, i have no idea what that one is
12:25<jthomas>but i need mod_python to work for python2.5
12:26<myownlittlworld>modwsgi is basically the same thing as modpython, it performs the same function... though I don't think it has the same configuration
12:26<jackyf>jthomas: python2.5 - from etch?
12:26<JRHartley>variable: i would uninistall esound completely. that way you won't get this again
12:26<jthomas>yes
12:26<variable>ok i'll do it ;/
12:26<adamm>JRHartley: yeap, that's what I've set in the gnome mixer. And now Alsa output through wine apps gets software mixed! :) The issue, I have no idea what the "software mixing" part did to configuration. Is it possible to set that through the .asoundrc config file?
12:27<jackyf>jthomas: this is strange, try to mail mod_python's maintainer
12:27<variable>gnome-desktop-environment depends on esound. i can uninstal it
12:28<JRHartley>adamm: i think when you see "software mixing" in any app, it is an internal thing. it doesn't depend on /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc
12:28<jthomas>from here it tells me that this guy fixed it the same way (recompile), but he doesn't go into how so much; but my issue seems to be with python not reporting its major version
12:28<jthomas>sorry, from here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/setting-up-python-2.5-on-apache2-in-debian-etch-661995/
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12:29<JRHartley>variable: is gnome-desktop-environment just a meta-package that pulls in required packages ? if it is, you can ditch it
12:29<variable>emm how to do it?
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12:29<JRHartley>variable: aptitiude, apt-get, synaptic etc
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12:32<variable>ok i did it
12:32<JRHartley>variable: log out, go to a spare VC with ctrl-alt-f1, log in as root, and do /etc/init.d/gdm restart
12:33<variable>ok
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12:33<JRHartley>variable: this *should* completely restart your desktop, this time without esound
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12:34<jthomas>mmm, you didn't tell him how to get back...
12:34<JRHartley>ctrl-alt-f6
12:34<JRHartley>or f7
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12:34<jthomas>yeah but he may be gone already, not able to see this window...
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12:34<JRHartley>mine is f3, just to be awkward :)
12:34<W3ber>hali all
12:34<variable>well
12:35<jthomas>and are you sure he is using gdm?
12:35<variable>what next?
12:35<jthomas>oh hello
12:35<jthomas>ok :)(
12:35<W3ber>anyone can help?
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12:35<jthomas>W3ber just ask the queston
12:35<W3ber>ok
12:35<jthomas>anyone know why I cannot compile my mod_python? "configure: error: This version of mod_python only works with Python major version 2. The one you have seems to be ."
12:36<JRHartley>variable: so is esound gone now ?
12:36<W3ber>so i have a laptop with x700 ati radeon and when booted the os i see black splass screen any solution?
12:36<variable>yes
12:36<jthomas>W3ber which driver are you using?
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12:36<myownlittlworld>jthomas: do you have python-dev installed?
12:37<jthomas>ooh not sure, thats a good suggestion
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12:37<JRHartley>variable: you should now be fine. make sure all media apps like amarok, audacious xmms, vlc, mplayer, xine etc all use alsa sound driver, with "default" device, and "software mixing" if available
12:37<jthomas>python2.5-dev is installing now... but I got the same error when trying ./configure
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12:38<W3ber>i am absulute beginner in debian.so another os i see same thing and do a bott in vesa mode :
12:38<W3ber>boot
12:38<W3ber>how can i see ?
12:38<jthomas>W3ber you can get to a command prompt? if so, as root run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ?
12:39<W3ber>i can get if i run recovery mode
12:39<W3ber>ok
12:39<jthomas>or use [[ctrl][alt][f1] to get to one, and [ctrl][alt][f6] to get back (or [ctrl][alt][f7] maybe)
12:39<W3ber>thxe
12:40<jthomas>but once you run the reconfigure then you'll want to reboot to be sure
12:40<jthomas>or restart x but just reboot
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12:40<variable>JRHartley, well it works with two vlc
12:40<variable>:]
12:40<variable>but how about xmms
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12:40<JRHartley>variable: should work fine
12:41<variable>how to set it to use default device
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12:42<JRHartley>variable: remember the formula - in any media player settings, choose "alsa" driver, "default" device, and "software mixing" if available. i don't use xmms. use audacious
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12:42<variable>;] ok thank you very much ;]
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12:43<JRHartley>variable: you are welcome. and if you see anyone else with the same troubles, tell them the same. sound servers = BAD :)
12:43<variable>yes
12:44<variable>I SHALL, thanks a lot. i tray to fix this problem about 2 weeks ;/
12:44<variable>*trayed
12:44<themill>tried :)
12:44<JRHartley>je comprend
12:45<themill>JRHartley: you seem to know your way around alsa -- is there an equivalent sort of setup that allows a hotplugging of a usb microphone so that "default" device picks the usb one if available and the 3.5mm jack mic if not?
12:45<variable>;] tried ;]
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12:45<variable>et moi;]
12:45<JRHartley>haha
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12:46<variable>JRHartley, where are you from?
12:47<JRHartley>themill: well actually, dsnoop (the opposite of dmix, for capture) mixes the inputs as well. so whatever is plugged in and unmuted, and whatever is playing in any media app all get mixed together. that would be "default" device in alsa. if you want a specific device you choose plug:hw:0 or plug:hw:1 or whatever
12:48<JRHartley>variable: edinburgh, scotland
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12:49<JRHartley>themill: best to mute the unused inputs in alsamixer, amixer, kmix, gmix or whatever
12:49<variable>;] i was in uk few weeks ago
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12:49<themill>sounds useful. Will search more for config details. (have nice usb mic at home, 3.5mm jack mic here at work and laptop that goes between them. Futzing around with ekiga and skype settings all the time is getting tiresome.
12:49<themill>JRHartley: thanks :)
12:50<JRHartley>:)
12:50<variable>ok it's time to eat and live ;]
12:50<W3ber>i reconfigure and i get a screen with error code
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12:55<jthomas>W3ber what is the code?
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12:58<W3ber>sorry i choose wrong option
12:58<W3ber>1sec 1 reboot
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13:00<W3ber>work:)
13:00<W3ber>thx
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13:03<jthomas>great!
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13:10<qq->JRHartley: witch package contain " dsnoop" ?
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13:11<qq->or is a kernel module ?
13:11<ak_>hi is someone german here ?
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13:11<qq->!de
13:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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13:27<cahoot>qq-: it's an alsa 'function' like dmix
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13:27<qq->chattr: thx
13:27<qq->grr
13:28<qq->i mean cahoot ;)
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13:36<luismi14>hola
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14:07<Guest6100>what
14:07<Guest6100>i dont want to be a guess
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14:07<Guest6100>hello
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14:12<blauerunterhose>hi i want to use this site to make a bootable floppy disk, i have downloaded a 2.6.x- i386 kernel from kernel.org.... i am not sure on what is meant in "build kernel"
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14:13<blauerunterhose>the webseit is: http://linuxguy.org/docs/linuxdisk/
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14:52<mykhi>hi, does ALSA from kernel has software mixing? somehow i cant get sound from more then one app...
14:53<cahoot>mykhi: yes alsa has dmix enabled by default nowadays
14:53<mykhi>do i need any special packages then?
14:54<cahoot>mykhi: my guess is you use apps that don't direct output directly to alsa
14:55<mykhi>no i do, however i do want to have esd aswell (for gnome sound system)
14:55<mykhi>and if i turn on esd, then i have sound only from esd, and alsa is busy (xmms says)
14:55<cahoot>if you use esd I suppose you'll have to make apps output to esd
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14:56<mykhi>yea but not all eps support esd ;<
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14:59<mykhi>is there any way at all to be able to use both alsa and esd?
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15:05<pegador>tem aguem olinel
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15:07<pegador>tem garota online
15:08<Ganneff>!br
15:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:09<pegador>mentira
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15:11<astraljava>mykhi: Just a wild guess, do you have libesd-alsa0 installed?
15:11<pegador>fala em portugues
15:11<mykhi>astraljava, yes
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15:13<astraljava>mykhi: And you have run alsaconf after installing it?
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15:13<mykhi>astraljava, actually i cant recall doing it >>
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15:16<dutche>does anybody knows why can I get my redirect?? I'm trying to redirect the incoming 22 port packages to 10.0.0.2:22....I tried this
15:16<dutche>iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -s 0/0 --dport 22 -i eth0 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.2:22
15:16<dutche>my INPUT and FORWARD are both accepting 22 port
15:16<weasel>are you testing this from inside or from outside?
15:17<mykhi>astraljava, doing it doesnt change anything unless i have to reboot
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15:23<c36pop>hi does anybody here have a good knowledge about vmware
15:24<hahnp>whats the problem?
15:26<hahnp>oh thats a nice problem
15:26<c36pop>i can not get a 1280x800 dsplay under a winxp guest on debian lenny
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15:27<hahnp>you have the vm running on debian and in there you have a winxp?
15:27<hahnp>or the other way round?
15:27<c36pop>and after full screen ctrl + shift ... keys do not work anymore
15:28<c36pop>the first one
15:28<c36pop>xpon debian
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15:29<c36pop>there is a workaround for the keys problem with the setxbmap command
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15:30<c36pop>but i m really upset , i have just tried vmware because hardware breakpoint do not work in virtualbox, and it looks ever more buggy
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15:31<hahnp>ok im not shure about that but i think that vmware is not able to support this resolution
15:31<c36pop>hahnp :yes it looks like
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15:32<hahnp>you can try
15:33<hahnp>adding following in your .vmx file
15:33<hahnp>svga.maxWidth = "1280"
15:33<hahnp>svga.maxHeight = "800"
15:33<hahnp>maybe this works
15:33<hahnp>i assume that you have installed the vmware tools
15:35<c36pop>hahnp: i ll try it right now
15:35<hahnp>k
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15:36<daemon>hey guys, on a normal day, wake up, watch porn, shoot some people and shut down again what folders get the most 'write' activity (or mount points), please exclude /var and swap which are obvious also exxclude home for write operations like bittorrent,deluge whatever.. just standard office apps will be using it
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15:37<hahnp>c36pop, brb
15:38<themill>daemon: /tmp will get a good workout with tmp files for media players
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15:39<daemon>themill, *nods* got it, anything else
15:39<Nemoder>your browser cache dir but I guess that's under your home dir
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15:40<daemon>Nemoder, hmm good point though.. ill have to checkout just how much activity it does get
15:40<c36pop>hahnp :it worked like a charm , thanks a lot
15:41<hahnp>;)
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15:42<Nemoder>really unless you do a lot of daily system updates the only dirs that get written to at all are /var /tmp and /home/*
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15:43<daemon>Nemoder, if i made / readonly and symlinked /tmp somewhere else it would not kill the system
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15:43<Nemoder>var needs to be writable too but I think it could work
15:44<daemon>its ok /var is going somewhere else
15:44<Nemoder>and of course gnome and all your X apps need to write to config files in your home dir
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15:44<daemon>Nemoder, have an eee so I want to remove heavy read/write areas swap,/var,/tmp onto a special usb device i made
15:44<daemon>its actually a set of usb sticks (same make and size)
15:44<daemon>that im going to try stick into a false software raid
15:45<c36pop>hahnp : and for the CTRL ....keys problem do you have another solution than the setxbmap command ?
15:46<hahnp>what was this problem about...
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15:47<hahnp>ah okay i remember...
15:47<hahnp>hm...
15:48<hahnp>have you tried using another shortcut to switch off the fullscreen?
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15:49<c36pop>hahnp : no
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15:52<c36pop>hahnp : i ll try it tomorow, wfe calling for bed , thanks
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16:17<Ikarus>Anyone know if there is a Debian package for bash with /dev/tcp and /dev/udp fake file support (and on similair basis a version of grep with PCRE support)
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16:20<franklin_>Ikarus: it isnt supported.
16:21<Ikarus>franklin_: uhuh, HENCE I am asking if anyone has a package that does have it enabled
16:21<Ikarus>or if I should go compile my own
16:21<franklin_>Ikarus: I think it wasn't enabled for security rasons... check the README.Debian
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16:24<Ikarus>franklin_: no, it is disabled because "it is not what users expect", wtf.....
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16:25<Ikarus>so essentially Debian will only add support when users actually start using the feature on other distros and expect it to work on Debian, right....
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16:33<franklin_>Ikarus: more flames ?
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16:34<Ikarus>franklin_: no, just wondering if my statement now was correct or not
16:35<Ikarus>this is the argument given on the bug related to it
16:35<Juniper>How can I edit the /etc/modules file on Debian?
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16:36<Ikarus>the mailinglist also adds because it is bloat and there is a "perfect alternative" (I don't quite agree on the perfect part), but that seems a bit a non-argument to use to force people to use one solution over another
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16:41<hub>i will install debian but i know thats my wlan doesnt work, but on ubuntu wok it automaticly. How can use wlan on debian ?
16:42<franklin_>Ikarus: You could recompile bash, but using the shell to do low level networking would seem a bit weird to me.
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16:42<franklin_>Juniper: you need to open a terminal as root first.
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16:42<Juniper>yeah, whats the command to open the file as root?
16:43<franklin_>Ikarus: apt-get source bash /; [disable the patch] ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
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16:44<Juniper>textedit /etc/modules ? i remember something like this...
16:44<Juniper>but i am a linux noob :/
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16:44<franklin_>Juniper: gedit /etc/modules #under gnome
16:44<Ikarus>franklin_: I think a decent compromise would be an optional alternative for the normal bash with it enabled (as bash lacks a plugin arch for this), I mean I already found a few dozen people complaining about their scripts not working on Debian (note, other distros don't disable it)
16:44<Juniper>thanks, i do use gnome :)
16:44<hub>no one a qucik idea ?
16:45<franklin_>hub what wireless ?
16:45<Juniper>huh, i do get an error...
16:45<hub>wlan
16:46<hub>i know thats is not usable on debian but is present (in ubuntu is present !)
16:46<franklin_>hub, I mean which chipset ?
16:46<hub>mom
16:46<Ikarus>franklin_: btw, just checked any alternative I know with netcat in a substitution like cat <(nc localhost chargen), works, aslong as you don't want to go bidirectional, something you CAN do with the bash /dev/tcp and /dev/udp support
16:46<hub>who can see it
16:46<hub>?
16:47<Juniper>http://paste.debian.net/16842/ <- error i get
16:47<Nemoder>Juniper: try nano instead of gedit
16:48<Juniper>that worked!
16:48<Juniper>thanks nemoder
16:48<Nemoder>it's not graphical but it's easy to use
16:48<Juniper>what does nano do exactly....?
16:48<Nemoder>just a terminal text editor
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16:48<hub>franklin: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
16:49<hub>is this propitery ?
16:49<Nemoder>Juniper: you can make changes then use ctrl-x to save and exit
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16:49<Juniper>i see, i wonder if i'm following instructions right. on this wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne it says i have to add something to the /etc/modules file
16:50<Juniper>i order to get sound running
16:50<franklin_>hub, which kernek do you have ?
16:50<Juniper>is it just adding a line? with the text that's on the wiki (snd-hda-intel)
16:50<franklin_>hub the driver is rt61pci (In lenny)
16:50<hub>nothing i will instal now debian...
16:50<hub>i have now ubuntu
16:50<Nemoder>Juniper: yup
16:51<Juniper>alrighty
16:51<hub>now on ubuntu 2.6.24-19-generic
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16:51<Juniper>thanks for your help, i hope this works :)
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16:51<hub>but i will use debian but i know thats not goes...
16:52<franklin_>hub the driver is rt61pci (In 2.6.24)
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16:52<hub>but how can use it ?
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16:52<hub>i know thats not work after instalation ...
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16:53<franklin_>hub: Do you install "etch-and-a-half" ?
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16:54<hub>yes, i dont have kabel connection... ahhh you mean i aktualize my source list ??
16:54<rutski>I'm interested in learning how debian distributes C++ libraries via apt. If I have C++ library A, and client application B, then is it not the case that I must build both projects A and B with the same exact set of STL headers and compiler, or else risk introducing weird and subtle binary incompatibilities? Given that, I somehow don't feel safe just, lets say, pulling in ogre via apt-get and using it to build a project; or does debian make so
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16:56<franklin_>hub: one you have installed Etch (with 2.6.18), you will have to install 2.6.24 kernel (which is available since Debian 4.0r4)
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16:56<hub>i will now install debian but i dont now if the wlan wok.... i have not another source for internet...
16:57<franklin_>hub you mean in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
16:57<hub>yes
16:57<franklin_>hub, you don't need it.
16:57<hub>ok
16:57<mykhi>hi, im having problem opening files in mplayer with space(" ") in file name. i compiled newest mpplayer. anyone occurs it?
16:57<hub>but
16:58<hub>the standrat is in debian 4 2.6.24
16:58<Nemoder>rutski: you shouldn't have any problems building against debian libraries, but if you try to distribute your application dynamically to other systems with different libraries then you might have problems
16:58<hub>?
16:58<hub>is it work ?
16:58<hub>if not i must reinstall ubuntu :(
16:58<hub>instal*
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16:59<Guest5797>rutski: Well, you don't have to have *exactly* the same STL headers and compiler, you just need *compatible* ones. Clearly then, the trick is working out *when* compatibility breaks. Fortunately Debian has clever people who think hard about this.
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16:59<hub>okay i try it. THX Franklin.
16:59<Guest5797>oops, when did I get unidentified :-/
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17:00<franklin_>hub: the standard kernel is still 2.6.18. But a new kernel is available, to add support for newer hardware.
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17:00<enouf>amphi: omg, i give up - it's win98 for me - vlc is even worse :-{
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17:01<enouf>amphi: wait - one last chance - the evil binary blob! .. gah
17:02<ryry37>I was wondering if any one else has a problem getting a ATI Radeon 9200 video card working in Lenny?
17:02<franklin_>mykhi: from the command line ?
17:03<enouf>rutski: sounds like a question for a dev mailing list ...
17:03<mykhi>franklin_, no, from nautilus
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17:03<maxb_>rutski: This is why library packages sometimes have code letters on the end, for instance libmysql++2c2a.
17:03<mykhi>franklin_, but i guess from command line too, need to check
17:03<enouf>ryry37: using xorg's radeon?
17:03<enouf>ryry37: is that a mobile version? laptop?
17:03<franklin_>mykhi: can you open the file, from mplayer ?
17:04<mykhi>franklin_, yea, it only happens with gmplayer
17:04<chealer>rutski: you message was truncated at "or does debian make so"
17:04<maxb_>rutski: First there was libmysql++2 - and then there was the "C++ API v2" transition and "c2" was appended to differentiate - and then there was an allocator-related transition, and "a" was appended
17:05<enouf>mykhi: you compiled newest mplayer? O_O my compiles always fail - but i enable a lot of shit - trying to get the CPU usage down
17:05<ryry37>enouf: I tried that, and the ATI one... here's the thing, it will load, and things like glxgears will work fine but if I for example open a drop down menu in Synaptic it (sometimes I need to move the mouse around a bunch) will crash xorg
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17:06<franklin_>mykhi: I meant : If you open gmplayer, can you then do File>Open>...
17:06<enouf>ryry37: did you recently have the ATi binary one installed?
17:06<rutski>maxb_: ah, I see; given that context, I'll look into it further.
17:06<mykhi>enouf, yea i just --enable-gui and set --language
17:06<rutski>chealer: "or some debian make some safety guarantees here?"
17:06<mykhi>franklin_, no, it gives me same error
17:07<mykhi>i thikn
17:07<mykhi>but havent tried, let me check
17:07<ryry37>enouf: I did try installing that driver AFTER the problems presented itself. Also worth noting that the problem does not happen in Etch
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17:07<enouf>ryry37: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log (show me the radoen line please) and make sure fglrx is not listed in /etc/modules, nor in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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17:07<enouf>ryry37: interesting ...
17:08<mykhi>franklin_, nope, its fine
17:08<mykhi>working
17:08<enouf>ryry37: much new stuff in lenny for Xorg
17:08<mxldr>hello. how can i install BITCHX on my debian system. when i type apt-cache search bitchx, nothing shows up
17:08<mxldr>i know debian used to have bitchx
17:08<enouf>mykhi: heh.. for those options i'd just apt-get install ;-)
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17:08<avu>mxldr, it got deleted from the qrchives quite a while ago
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17:08<mykhi>enouf, and --color-console or whatever ;P
17:08<mxldr>why?
17:09<avu>mxldr, it's no longer maintained upstream and has unfixed security holes
17:09<enouf>ryry37: you could try the #radeon channel on freenode.net maybe?
17:09<themill>!bitchx
17:09<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by its upstream authors, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
17:09<avu>mxldr, irssi is a good alternative
17:09<enouf>mykhi: w00h00
17:09<ryry37>enouf: pretty much the entire system was upgraded. Which is why I tried a frese install and the same results
17:09<ryry37>enouf: yeah, thats not a bad idea...
17:09<weasel>good god did we finally drop that sucky irc client?
17:10<mxldr>but i know bitchx inside and out. i dont doubt that irssi is a better client, i just know how to use bitchx better.
17:10<enouf>mykhi: i like --enable-menu :-P .. but seriously, mine grabs a lot pof the autodetect ok, but i need to pass seemingly thousands of /includes
17:10<weasel>looks like we did. halleluja
17:10<themill>weasel: :)
17:10<avu>mxldr, as I said, it's no longer maintaned upstream and has unfixed security issues..
17:10<enouf>mykhi: and did you build from debian sources, dmm's, or from mplayer svn ?
17:10<weasel>and it's completely broken with AAAA records
17:10<mxldr>unfixed security issues?
17:10<avu>mxldr, yes
17:10<franklin_>mykhi: So I guess the .desktop is wrong, or similar.
17:10<mykhi>enouf, from mplayer source from mplayer homepage
17:11<mykhi>franklin_, what do you mean?
17:11<ryry37>enouf: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
17:11<ryry37>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so
17:11<ryry37>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//kbd_drv.so
17:11<ryry37>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
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17:11<avu>mxldr, see the bug dpkg mentioned..
17:11<enouf>mykhi: righto - same here, but i checkout from svn trunk
17:12<enouf>rejoin dammit! :-p
17:12<chealer>rutski: you don't need the same exact set to avoid any risk. you can ignore these issues in stable and current testing.
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17:13<mxldr>oh- what's with iceweasel? i have to click play to view any flash object. how can i make it autoload?
17:13<franklin_>mykhi: you probably have a file /usr/share/applications/gmplayer.desktop
17:13<mykhi>franklin_, nope ;<
17:13<avu>mxldr, nothing to do with iceweasel yourself. you either have an extension active doing that or you're not using the adobe flash player but gnash for example, which does it this way
17:14<franklin_>mykhi: dpkg -L gmplayer | grep ".desktop"
17:14<mykhi>it tells me it aint installed
17:14<mykhi>i guess since i compiled from source
17:14<franklin_>mykhi: ouch
17:15<mxldr>i just did a fresh debian install
17:15<mxldr>20 minutes ago
17:15<mxldr>how can i make it play normally?
17:15<avu>mxldr, as I said, you either have an extension installed doing that or you're using a flash player that does that...
17:15<enouf>mykhi: rename your files to something non-window-weenie-ish ;-)
17:16<avu>mxldr, depending on which it is, either deactivate/configure the extension or change/configure the flash plpugin
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17:16<mxldr>how do i do that?
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17:16<franklin_>enouf: no : the proram which he installed IS buggy.
17:16<avu>mxldr, that depends on which of those options actually applies to you?
17:16<rutski>chealer: well obviously not all changes to the STL headers break binary compatibility. But any change that changes the members of class template definitely have a very high risk of breaking things.
17:16<mykhi>enouf, yea, that should do it >>
17:17<enouf>mykhi: most likely - all your files have /usr/local/ prefixed
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17:17<enouf>franklin_: what program?
17:17<franklin_>enouf: gmplayer (compiled from upstream source)
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17:18<enouf>so filenames with spaces are ok with you franklin_ ?
17:18<franklin_>mykhi: do you use Etch ?
17:18<enouf>how about \n ?
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17:18<enouf>how about \t ?
17:18<mykhi>franklin_, etch and a half
17:18<franklin_>enouf: for user environnement : yes.
17:18<enouf>franklin_: no
17:18<franklin_>enouf: uninstall gnome ;)
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17:18<enouf>franklin_: users suck ass
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17:19<enouf>franklin_: i don't use gnome ;-)
17:19<franklin_>ok
17:20<enouf>i pick on devs often enough, and let them know when they've made a steaming pile of bloated crap - on the flipside though - most users are dumbasses ;-)
17:20<avu>s/users/people/ :)
17:20*enouf is not opinionated in the least :-P
17:21<enouf>avu: thanks for the correction ;-)
17:21<enouf>avu: even non-computer users voted for Bush/Cheney O_o
17:22<avu>case in point :)
17:22<enouf>TWICE! ..
17:22<enouf>haha
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17:22<mxldr>can i have voice?
17:22<mxldr>plz.
17:22<enouf>you are heard - now speak!
17:22<enouf>:-p
17:23<mxldr>no, voice me
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17:23<franklin_>mykhi: gmplayer isn't a good option (IMHO, just because it isn't packaged). what was wrong with VLC/totem...
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17:23<mxldr>!bitchx
17:23<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by its upstream authors, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
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17:23<enouf>franklin_: vlc is actually more CPU instensive (as far as debian pkgs go)
17:23<mykhi>franklin_, it takes more memory and i hate subtitles in there
17:24<enouf>franklin_: gmplayer, when i used it, worked fine here - but i do use mplayer from the shell
17:24<franklin_>mykhi: but it works out of the box ;)
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17:24<mykhi>yea
17:24<enouf>mplayer/gmplayer both work fine - it's just i need to find a way to take the stuttering/chopiness out of it - cut down on CPU usage
17:25*franklin_ used to have gmplayer... was good.
17:25<enouf>and it only happens for me when playing back DVDs
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17:27<franklin_>mykhi: among the fiels installed by gmplayer, you probably have a "*.desktop", which seems broken
17:27<franklin_>**files
17:28<enouf>i've also toyed with the buffer/cache settings, the drive has 2MB built in, and it spins up pretty loudly, so i know it's not @ x1 speed - and actually, it spins at a much lesser speed and there's no suttering at all in win98 (all software decoding, as with mplayer) - the other thing 98 has is the standard evil nvidia blob
17:28<mykhi>i do have mplayer.desktop file
17:28<mykhi>/usr/local/share/applications/mplayer.desktop
17:28<franklin_>mykhi: what does "Exec=" says ,
17:29<mykhi>Exec=gmplayer %F
17:29<franklin_>mykhi: try %U
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17:29<mykhi>just change it and run?
17:29<enouf>mykhi: and if echo $PATH shows you /usr/local/: as 1st (and it's variants) , as the default install will do -- note; the one's listed 1st are searched first
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17:30<mykhi>franklin_, no difference
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17:30<franklin_>mykhi: "which gmplayer" ?
17:31<mykhi>what do you mean?
17:31<franklin_>mykhi: what does the command "which gmplayer" prints ?
17:31<mykhi>/usr/local/bin/gmplayer
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17:31<franklin_>mykhi: = fount => ok
17:32<mykhi>what? o0
17:33<franklin_>mykhi: you can try to write the path of the name in the Exec : "Exec=/usr/local/bin/gmplayer %F"
17:33<enouf>mykhi: listen, this is a side issue - but in the future, might want to notice what ./configure --help says about the default install paths - and maybe look into using 'stow' to track what get's installed where
17:33<mykhi>enouf, oh ok
17:34*enouf runs off screaming because he is only left with installing "teh 3ViL" binary blob as last resort
17:34<mykhi>frank, same effect
17:34<mykhi>franklin_, *
17:35<enouf>dammit, now i have to kill X too ,.... son-of-a-*****
17:35<franklin_>mykhi: guess what : gmpayer is in Debian : http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/mplayer/filelist
17:35<mykhi>franklin_, i actually can write anything there and no difference
17:36<mykhi>franklin_, i know it is
17:37<qq->mykhi: restart X ?
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17:39<mykhi>qq-, could try it
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17:39<mykhi>brb then
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17:40<mykhi>nothing
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17:51<ccg>is there any package that replaces motv ?
17:51<qq->apt-cache search motv
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18:02<helmut>when following the instructions for some README in /usr/share/doc/$pkg results in serious data loss. does this justify a grave bug?
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18:11<themill>helmut: I would take a stab at yes.... that's nasty
18:11<stevecotton>helmut - I'd say it does, but I'm not a DD
18:11<imm>hello all. i am using etch. would like to build the ralink 2860 driver; it wants something in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build, but that directory doesn't exist. is there a package i can install to get that stuff, or do i have to rebuild the kernel from source?
18:11<helmut>themill, stevecotton: thanks.
18:12<maxb_>http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities <-- "causes data loss" = "grave". I don't think it matters whether it is code or docs that are at fault
18:12<helmut>so serious is more than justified: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491867
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18:13<helmut>yeah rcbugs++
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18:13<kurumin>hi
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18:14<JRHartley>imm: you can put a symlink there pointing at your kernel headers or source ( /usr/src/whatever )
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18:15<kurumin>what the command mu name? can anyone help me?
18:15<JRHartley>imm: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) ; ln -sf /usr/src/wherever .
18:15<kurumin>1 time on this rogram
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18:17<abrotman>!kurumin
18:17<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian LiveDistro Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: http://www.guiadohardware.net/kurumin/ User Forums: http://www.guiadohardware.net/comunidade/v-f/48
18:17<JRHartley>imm: er make that "build" instead of "." in the ln command
18:17<imm>JRHartley: so that build directory is just supposed to point to the linux source code tree? thanks
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18:17<kurumin>ops
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18:18<stevecotton>helmut: mkswap? OUCH
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18:19<helmut>stevecotton: yes
18:19<helmut>stevecotton: and the other docs are right
18:19<chealer>imm: yes (linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686)
18:19<helmut>stevecotton: I tried that
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18:20<JRHartley>imm: i have rt2500, and i tried stock kernel driver, patched kernel driver, serial monkey driver. i ended up using ndiswrapper. not exactly kosher, but it works
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18:22<JRHartley>chealer: yes you're right. the linux-headers-* package makes that link
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18:27<kurumin>any brazilian here?
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18:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 341] by debhelper
18:32<uninverted>About every minute, Debian freezes for about three to five seconds. Is there any reason for this?
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18:35<shivraj>how can I configure my wireless network at startup
18:35<JRHartley>uninverted: have you got a cron job set to run every minute ?
18:36<helmut>uninverted: can you describe this in more detail?
18:36<abrotman>shivraj: man interfaces
18:36<shivraj>ie tell it to find wireless-essid
18:36<uninverted>No, not that I know of.
18:36<abrotman>uninverted: are you doing a lot of disk activiity?
18:36<abrotman>oh ... /me hopes epiphany will crash less!
18:36<uninverted>It pauses for a minute.
18:37<uninverted>No, not really
18:37<JRHartley>uninverted: check dmesg/syslog to see if there is any regular activity being logged
18:37<lestat><kurumin> tenta no #debian-br
18:37<streuner>abrotman: you need to pray? :-P
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18:37<streuner>!kurumin
18:37<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian LiveDistro Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Website: http://www.guiadohardware.net/kurumin/ User Forums: http://www.guiadohardware.net/comunidade/v-f/48
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18:37<abrotman>streuner: ti's flash-ish related .. suposedly
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18:38<streuner>abrotman: oh, you don't need to pray then ;-)
18:38<streuner>(flash sucks)
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18:39<streuner>great idea, but code just sucks
18:39<abrotman>streuner: i'm not wholy convinced it is flash
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18:39<streuner>heh
18:39<abrotman>or perhaps .. let me rephrase .. not all versions of flash
18:40<abrotman>it seems to happen if there's a flash thingie on the page .. but not all flash thingies cause it
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18:44<Lethalman>!development
18:45<Lethalman>mh
18:45<Lethalman>is there a dev channel?
18:45<Lethalman>for proposing debian packages?
18:45<abrotman>!wnpp
18:45<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
18:45<helmut>#debian-mentors
18:45<Lethalman>no
18:45<Lethalman>:)
18:45<Lethalman>i'd like to create a debian-specific package
18:45<Lethalman>a bts-gtk application
18:46<parecen>and you need documentation how the BTS works?
18:46<Lethalman>no
18:46<Lethalman>only want to know if it's worthy
18:46<abrotman>!mentors
18:46<dpkg>mentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
18:46<abrotman>like that?
18:46<Lethalman>abrotman, i know mentors
18:46<abrotman>Lethalman: have you read the maintainer's guide?
18:46<Lethalman>abrotman, i know how to package
18:46<Lethalman>:)
18:46<helmut>so what do you need?
18:47<abrotman>okay .. so what do you want then?
18:47<Lethalman>i'd like to ask if creating such program is good
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18:47<parecen>Lethalman: wrong approach. you might get a few people who say its useless, a few people might say its a cool idea. and all will be completely random
18:47<Lethalman>parecen, i know
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18:47<Lethalman>need only to hear from a few people if there might be interest
18:47<parecen>if you want to do such an application, just go ahead. and by the time you get a working version you can let people have a look
18:47<helmut>reportbug works
18:48<Lethalman>helmut, i know, i'm also working on a gtk interface for reportbug
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18:48<Lethalman>it's different than bts
18:48<abrotman>Lethalman: there already is one
18:48<Lethalman>abrotman, unmaintained and broken
18:48<helmut>xterm works
18:48<parecen>if you have to ask whether its worth your time, then it most likely is not going to get anywhere anyways
18:48<abrotman>!info reportbug-ng sid
18:48<Lethalman>abrotman, that's not gtk
18:48<dpkg>reportbug-ng: (An easy to use alternative to Debian's classic reportbug), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 480 kB
18:48*abrotman thought it was gtk .. but whatever
18:48<Lethalman>:)
18:49<Lethalman>ok i go ahead, also because i feel better having bts with gui
18:49<abrotman>ah .. python-qt
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18:49<Lethalman>abrotman, yes the gtk ui for reportbug has been landed, hopefully it will be available for the next release :D
18:49<Lethalman>i just wanted to give yet another contribution and create bts-gtk
18:49<abrotman>Lethalman: dunno .. i find the people that actualyl report bugs .. are probably perfectly okay using reportbug
18:50<parecen>Lethalman: generally speaking, it could be very beneficial to desktop users to have a GUI for gathering package information that contains BTS data aswell
18:50<Lethalman>abrotman, it's in reportbug in fact... it's another ui... there's text, urwid, newt... and will be gtk
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18:50<parecen>Lethalman: but maybe its less work to write a plugin for synaptics or adept
18:50<Juniper>I think I got the sound running on Debian Lenny, but for some reason Rythmbox won't play music from my iPod. It detects the iPod and everything but it says "unknown playback error"...
18:50<Lethalman>parecen, that's what we've done with the gtk ui
18:51<parecen>Lethalman: cool
18:51<Lethalman>but reportbug is different than bts, it's used for reporting bugs not for controlling the bugs
18:51<helmut>bts
18:51<Lethalman>i use the bts command often, so wouldn't be a bad idea e.g. for my personal usage
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18:51<abrotman>oh . you want a BTS interface .. not a bug reporting interface
18:52<Lethalman>abrotman, no the bug reporting interface has been done
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18:52<Lethalman>abrotman, well still under development
18:52<parecen>Lethalman: cause "custom debian distributions" like the Debian Med project, skolelinux or others try to get more stuff done regarding usability. and when non-geeks are able to access BTS data that could be really useful for them
18:52<abrotman>Lethalman: wait .. how are you going to interface with the BTS directly? currently users have to do it via email
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18:52<Lethalman>abrotman, there's a command called "bts" in devscripts
18:52<parecen>abrotman: or http
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18:52<abrotman>oh .. there is
18:53*abrotman uses email to manipulate bugs
18:53<Lethalman>abrotman, :D bts rules
18:53<helmut>abrotman: bts just writes mail
18:53<abrotman>email is easy
18:53<Lethalman>abrotman, it has both -request and -control options
18:53<parecen>time to dig into the devscripts package :)
18:53<abrotman>oh .. so it sitll doesn't interface directly ?
18:53<parecen>was announced at debconf8 but i did not care to check so far
18:53<Lethalman>abrotman, try out it it's very simple
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18:54<abrotman>i read the man page
18:54<Lethalman>yeah ;)
18:54<parecen>lots of cool work done by dondelelcaro++
18:54<abrotman>still apparently uses email .. it's just an interface to it
18:54<Lethalman>abrotman, exactly
18:54<abrotman>meh .. still didn't answer my question
18:54<Lethalman>uhm which question?
18:54<abrotman>well .. it kind of did .. but it's just a higher level interface to .. email :)
18:54<Lethalman>abrotman, yes that's it, I use it instead of creating an email
18:55<Lethalman>much simple
18:55<Lethalman>abrotman, so what i want to do is bts-gtk, an interface to the "bts" command :P
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18:55<abrotman>sounds easy enough
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18:55<Lethalman>yes i'm dreaming a systray icon
18:55<Lethalman>with all commands
18:56<abrotman>overkill!
18:56<Lethalman>why?
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18:57<abrotman>maybe applet instead of systray
18:57<helmut>Let's have a bts icon floating over the screen, so you have to catch it every time you want to use it.
18:57<Lethalman>helmut, lol
18:57<Lethalman>abrotman, that's not gtk, that's gnome, it's yet another project
18:58<Lethalman>abrotman, but yes it would be cool too, and as easy as doing a commandline-like gtkentry
18:58<abrotman>the systray is gnome too isn't it ? unless you're not talking about the gnome systray
18:58<Lethalman>the systray is gtk
18:58<helmut>Lethalman: most of the time using bts you want to enter something, so trying to avoid using a keyboard is already no option. why not use a keyboard in the first place?
18:59<Lethalman>helmut, what do you mean?
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18:59<helmut>Lethalman: what's the point of a systray?
18:59<Lethalman>helmut, click a command then be prompted with for the bug number and other options
19:00<Lethalman>s/with//
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19:00<Phocean>hi all
19:00<helmut>Lethalman: the time to be used moving your hand from the keyboard to the mouse and back again can be better used to actually type the command plus you don't have to look at the screen
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19:00<abrotman>oh .. WM hotkeys for bts-gtk!
19:00<Lethalman>lol
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19:01<Lethalman>or maybe just alt+f2 is enough
19:01<helmut>Lethalman: so what problem are you going to solve? boringness?
19:01<Lethalman>helmut, what?
19:02<helmut>err boredom
19:02<Lethalman>?
19:02<helmut>real question: what problem should your program solve?
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19:03<Lethalman>helmut, what problem a GUI solve?
19:03<Lethalman>it's a GUI interface that's it
19:03<parecen>Lethalman: dont argue with people who prefer email and command line tools over a GUI. its a waste of efforts :)
19:03<Lethalman>:)
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19:04<Lethalman>just talking
19:04<parecen>thats why my initial comment about the wrong approach. most developers and most long term users will argue against any kind of "usability feature"
19:04<helmut>well guis actually can solve problems, like xpdf is a program that wouldn't make much sense without a gui
19:04<Lethalman>helmut, pdf born with GUI, so without gui the problem wouldn't take place
19:05<Lethalman>like anything else
19:05<parecen>exactly
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19:05<helmut>ps was bord to print
19:05<helmut>err born
19:05<parecen>usability is not only about efficiency and problem solution, its also about convenience
19:05<mykhi>is there any way to make mplayer use same size of font no matter resolution?
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19:08<Lethalman>e.g. a button to run reportbug instead of opening the terminal everytime if the default ui is gtk
19:09<abrotman>opening? i'd wager most devs have a term open all the time
19:09<abrotman>at least one
19:09<Lethalman>abrotman, yes i have it
19:10<Lethalman>abrotman, the problem is switching to it :P
19:10<Lethalman>and type reportbug
19:10<Lethalman>instead of clicking 2 times :P
19:10<abrotman>dude .. that's awful
19:10<abrotman>yeah .. but then i have to move my hand to the mouse (well .. nubbie in this machine's case)
19:10<parecen>Lethalman: maybe talk to the people who are active on http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/
19:10<helmut>Lethalman: you can use a window manager to switch to the right terminal. for instance screen
19:11<Lethalman>helmut, yes alt+tab is friendly
19:11<parecen>Lethalman: they are usually more open minded towards such ideas
19:11<Lethalman>thanks parecen
19:11<parecen>:)
19:11<Lethalman>abrotman, people mostly use keyboard, or mostly use mouse
19:12<abrotman>yes .. and?
19:12<abrotman>so you're asking hte keyboard people to grab the mouse .. and the mouse people to type .. evil!
19:12<helmut>thos mostly using mouse mostly ignore documentation
19:12<Lethalman>abrotman, so you don't type in gui
19:12<Lethalman>helmut, why?
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19:13<helmut>abrotman: no, he's just offering to write a separate program to support the latter
19:13<helmut>Lethalman: just an observation
19:13<Lethalman>helmut, there's no handy program to look at manpages from GUI
19:14<helmut>Lethalman: and they have bad excuses, too
19:14<Lethalman>helmut, how this fits in bts-gtk?
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19:15<Lethalman>helmut, the problem that bts-gtk would solve is to have a desktop approach to the BTS
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19:15<helmut>Lethalman: the problems is that I think we don't want badly written^Wclicked bugreports people not even having read the docs.
19:15<Lethalman>helmut, i don't think people will install bts-gtk for playing around with the BTS
19:16<abrotman>you don't think?
19:16<Lethalman>just like installing devscripts
19:16<Lethalman>abrotman, you didn't know about bts, people doesn't know about bts-gtk
19:16<Lethalman>so what's the problem, are you afraid if people joins more the project?
19:16<abrotman>i already said i interface the BTS via email
19:16<abrotman>and i don't have a problem doing so
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19:17<Lethalman>ok then :)
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19:18<helmut>Lethalman: may I make a different proposal?
19:18<Lethalman>helmut, sure
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19:18<helmut>Lethalman: there are these scripts in /usr/shar/bug
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19:18<Lethalman>i know them
19:19<helmut>Lethalman: they're written for use with console and make reportbug-ng unfit for release
19:19<Lethalman>that's a problem for reportbug-gtk too
19:19<helmut>Lethalman: try to think of a solution for this. that would really be helpful
19:19<Lethalman>i already fixed handle_bugscript in reportbug but it's a heavy hack
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19:20<helmut>Lethalman: now go for a real solution
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19:20<Lethalman>helmut, i'm thinking about that
19:21<Lethalman>the only solution is to write a language-independent script
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19:21<Lethalman>a pseudo sequence of commands
19:21<Lethalman>*a sequence of pseudo-commands
19:21<Juniper>I just installed the sound drivers for my computer, if I connect my iPod to the computer, it opens in Rythmbox, but I can't play anything. It says "unknown playback error", but I can play individual MP3 files. Is this a sound issue or something else?
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19:22<helmut>Lethalman: good. now think of what problems might come later and solve them too
19:22<Lethalman>or force those scripts to be rewritten in python, but would block other languages from interfacing to it
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19:22<Lethalman>i don't know if other scripts written in other languages are interfacing to them
19:22<helmut>Lethalman: no. they must have minimal dependencies
19:22<Lethalman>helmut, a script written in python to be used from other applications is not a dependency
19:23<Lethalman>it's just a file
19:23<helmut>but you need to have python installed to use it
19:23<Lethalman>helmut, you need python to run reportbug
19:23<Lethalman>as i said if only python uses usr/share/bug, rewrite them in python
19:24<helmut>you don't need python if a maintainer asks you for the output of /usr/shar/bug/foo/script
19:24<Lethalman>helmut, if a maintainer asks for that output it means you are using it from other applications
19:24<helmut>and that has to work
19:25<helmut>you get the idea
19:25<helmut>I need sleep
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19:25<Lethalman>good night helmut
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19:34<transiency>anyone have any experience with deb-sparc?
19:34<transiency>and sun blade 150's?
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19:51<abrotman>!sparc
19:51<dpkg>i guess sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC
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20:07<transiency>!gentoo
20:07<dpkg>i guess gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or <funroll-loops>, or #gentoo @ irc.freenode.net
20:08<transiency>lol
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20:18<sirderigo>hola, necesito una pequeña ayuda
20:18<amphi>!es
20:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:50<enouf>well bois and goils .. one thing is for certain - the 3D evil binary blob isn't helping .. :-/
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20:51<simonrvn>enouf: oh fuck... i said "pussy cat goil" when i patted my cat just now
20:51<enouf>simonrvn: you sure you meant your cat? O_o
20:52<simonrvn>yup
20:52<enouf>you're no fun :-p
20:52<simonrvn>haha
20:52<enouf>simonrvn: i'm about to give up computers .. whatcha think?
20:52<simonrvn>no i'm not, i'm completely boring ;p
20:52<abrotman>enouf: you should into stereos
20:53<simonrvn>enouf: i've often thought about it yes
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20:53<simonrvn>then i think fuck, people are depending on me to keep these monstrosities running, people i care about, so i stick to it.
20:54<enouf>abrotman: the 3D Driver doesn't help at all with my staggered non-smooth scrolling xterm issue ... :-(
20:54<enouf>abrotman: the 3D Driver doesn't help at all with PDFs either
20:54<abrotman>quit drinking
20:54<abrotman>enouf: which video card?
20:54<simonrvn>xterm scrolls smoothly? since when? "never" he thinks
20:54<enouf>abrotman: and naturally - not the DVD movie stuttering every second!
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20:55<enouf>simonrvn: it's konsole if that matters
20:55*abrotman blames kde :)
20:55<enouf> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] [10de:0110] (rev b2)
20:55<simonrvn>kde sux. 4.1 more so than 3.5.x
20:55<abrotman>onboard?
20:55-!-takamiya [~takamiya@p5162-ipbffx02marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #debian
20:55<enouf>64MB RAM ... no .. 2X AGP
20:55-!-johnny [~johnny@207.233.102.24] has joined #debian
20:55<enouf>even though it does 4X
20:55<enouf>my Chipset doesn't
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20:56<simonrvn>mobo limitation, right?
20:56<enouf>yep
20:56<simonrvn>yeh
20:56<simonrvn>i lucked out having found this one
20:56<enouf>DRI is on and workinf
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20:56<abrotman>enouf: tried another WM ?
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20:56<simonrvn>00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-751 [Irongate] System Controller (rev 25) 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 If [Radeon 9000] (rev 01)
20:56<enouf>glxgears is ... still extremely laughable
20:57<abrotman>enouf: you need a real video card
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20:57<abrotman>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
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20:57<enouf>abrotman: well, this p2 + 440BX Chipset needs to be upgraded actually - i pulled this VC from a p4 system
20:57<abrotman>enouf: to be fair .. if the PDF is full of images .. even Acrobat on windows chokes up sometimes
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20:58<simonrvn>acrobat's image rendering is crap
20:58<johnny>has anyone had problems with a realtek driver on ubuntu 8.04
20:58<simonrvn>slow as fuck
20:58<abrotman>johnny: try #ubuntu
20:58<simonrvn>johnny: #ubuntu
20:58<enouf>abrotman: i know - but acrobat reader 4.0 on win98 has no issues, even with 1000 page PDFs .. :-?
20:58<enouf>abrotman: you click the middle button, it locks autoscroll - and WHAM .. it's all smooth
20:59<abrotman>enouf: tried evince?
20:59<enouf>i can't even get the hand n|||||n to drag a page smoothly
20:59<enouf>not yet
20:59<simonrvn>oooh, smoothing scrolling </not>
20:59<amphi>enouf: epdfview works well here, FWIW, on a 260MB pdf
21:00*simonrvn never cared for it, makes him dizzy
21:00<enouf>but i have tried .... kpdf, xpdf. etc
21:00<enouf>ghostview
21:00<abrotman>don't kpdf and xpdf use the same engine?
21:00<enouf>i have no idea - but i've been using acroread, cause it works best here
21:00<enouf>amphi: thanls
21:00<simonrvn>libpoppler iirc, now
21:00<enouf>thanks even
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21:01<blackfire>hi!
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21:02<simonrvn>lo¡
21:02<enouf>abrotman: i didn't yet make the p4 up to speed, and pulled the constituent decent components (256MB DIMM, GF2 NV11, SBLive! ...), cause it also runs on the same pc133 RAM my p2 does
21:03<blackfire>i have problems using a serial-usb cable, can anybody help me ?? ( or tell me where to find help)
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21:03<enouf>but i know that CPU has got more balls than this one - not the celerys though
21:03<enouf>(+ the chipset)
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21:03<enouf>i bet the card would run in 4X mode in that PC
21:03<enouf>anyways - i think i'm going to start drinking ... again ..
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21:08<enouf>one positive thing is, i have much finer grained control over the display settings, using nvidia-settings
21:09<enouf>i don't , mplayer DOCs talk about ~$ cat /proc/mtrr
21:09<enouf>and mine is weird - even weirder now since this driver install - i haven't rebooted, but restarted X
21:10<enouf>i used to have 2 lines, now there's only 1
21:11<enouf>http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#mtrr
21:11<enouf>mine only says; reg00: base=0x00000000 ( 0MB), size= 512MB: write-back, count=1 at the moment
21:12<enouf>dmesg | tail shows some nice info a) [ 7853.940765] NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 96.43.07 Wed Jul 2 12:17:43 PDT 2008
21:12<enouf>b) [ 7853.940765] NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 96.43.07 Wed Jul 2 12:17:43 PDT 2008
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21:12<enouf>whoops
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21:12<enouf>b) [ 7854.096852] agpgart: Found an AGP 1.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
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21:13<enouf>c) [ 7854.096928] agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 2x mode
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21:13<enouf>d) [ 7854.097006] agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 2x mode
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21:18<abrotman>enouf: i have four lines
21:18<abrotman>in mtrr
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21:22<enouf>abrotman: maybe i'll just reboot - echoing what i find from lspci -vvv and dmesg isn't going so well ... wrong regions anyways
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21:23<abrotman>hehe
21:24<enouf>alrighty - maybe i'll be a few minutes, i want to go back into 98 and double check a few things
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21:25<abrotman>98?
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21:30<henkmetselaar>windows98, I guess
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21:30<ohcibi|lappi>whate else
21:30<ohcibi|lappi>lol
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21:32<milord_lestat>Hi...i´m having a strange problem...
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21:33<milord_lestat>When my wireless network starts at boot i get an error:
21:33<milord_lestat>Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
21:33<milord_lestat>SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down.
21:34<milord_lestat>But, using ifconfig ra0 and iwconfig ra0 my network is up.
21:34<milord_lestat>And more, my essid is not configured but when i use iwconfig ra0 essid "a" and use iwconfig ra0 returns ESSID="My correct essid name"
21:34<milord_lestat>How can i fix this probelm?
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21:37<Juniper>I got sound working in Debian Lenny, for sure. Skype works, music over the Internet works, all sounds work. But I still can't get rythmbox to play my iPod. Any help would be much appreciated.
21:39<chealer>milord_lestat: so what's the actual problem?
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21:40<milord_lestat><chealer> fix error in boot...
21:40<milord_lestat><chealer> put the correct essid name yet on boot...
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21:41<milord_lestat><chealer> and fix the error : "Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down."
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21:42<chealer>milord_lestat: how should Debian know the correct essid name to put?
21:43<milord_lestat><chealer> maybe because i am using a kde network tool or because it is the better sinal...
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21:43<milord_lestat><chealer> i think...
21:44<chealer>milord_lestat: which kde network tool?
21:44<milord_lestat><chealer>gksu network admin (this is the command)
21:45<qq->Juniper: http://www.squidoo.com/linuxipod
21:45<milord_lestat><chealer> i will send my file /etc/netwok/interfaces
21:45<chealer>milord_lestat: isn't that a GNOME network tool?
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21:47<milord_lestat>http://rafb.net/p/c5ASuQ99.html
21:47<milord_lestat><chealer> yes...this is the gnome tool..
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21:47<qq->Juniper: i just google with "play iPod on linux" ...
21:48<milord_lestat><chealer> please see the link http://rafb.net/p/c5ASuQ99.html
21:48<m>~0
21:49<Juniper>qq- thanks for the links, i just wonder if the fact that the ipod wont play in rythmbox is a more system-wide problem
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21:49<Juniper>but i see some promising apps in these links
21:50<qq->Juniper: just read the link , btw rythmbox work very well here
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21:51<Juniper>my computer is not fully supported by debian and i just had to install the sound drivers
21:51<Juniper>but i'll try one of these apps and see what happens
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21:52<qq->what's you computer ?
21:52*egns pira a sobar, que tengan una buena noche.
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21:53<Juniper>acer aspire one
21:53<qq->laptop ?
21:54<enouf>ok, cat /proc/mtrr is the same, even after altering AGP Aperture in BIOS from 256MB down to 64MB ... and guess what, the DVD software in win98 will not play unless i enable the Onboard Audio (or, i guess, if i can ever get the SBLive drivers installed properly), however, i think it's some proprietary check, where all Chipset components work in sync (since the Audio maker did make the original nvidia 2x agp riva tnt2 card)
21:54<enouf>now
21:54<chealer>milord_lestat: what does # ifup -na; echo $?; output?
21:55<Juniper>qq- yes its a laptop
21:55<Juniper>qq-: a netbook
21:55<milord_lestat>to -> chealer | a moment please
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21:56<enouf>i opened a 1656 page PDF (56MB) in acrobat reader 4.x ,.. and BAM! .. smooth as silk ! .. and i'm wrong about the click middle wheel and autoscroll - BUT, just as effective, you click and hold in the enormous blank area of the scroll bar - it FLIES! ,.. it's FAST, no pausing whatsoever - and shows all the pages (with images!) as they fly by
21:56<milord_lestat>to -> chealer | "ifup -na" returns nothing
21:56<enouf>it's almost akin to scanning microphish
21:57<Juniper>i need to reboot
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21:57<enouf>Now .. one more anamoly
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21:57<milord_lestat>to -> chealer | "$echo" returns a blank line...
21:57<chealer>milord_lestat: just curious, which IRC client do you use?
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21:58<enouf>i rebooted into my now usual 2.6.26-1-686 ... and guess what, mplayer did finally play the DVD smoothly (and htop still showd same high CPU usage) .. BUT, not after you FF, or Rewind or anything - once you do so, forget it, it staggers at every second tick
21:59<milord_lestat>to -> chealer | KSirc...
21:59<chealer>milord_lestat: I see
21:59<milord_lestat>to -> chealer | why?
21:59<enouf>Yes... that correct, Sixteen Hundred Fifty Six page PDF ;-)
22:00<chealer>milord_lestat: the list I ask you to execute is "ifup -na; echo $?"
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22:00<chealer>milord_lestat: I was going to suggest nickname tab-completion, but I never used ksirc
22:00<chealer>milord_lestat: on one line
22:00<enouf>abrotman: amphi whomever - read above please ;-)
22:01<abrotman>heh
22:01<abrotman>use a real player!
22:01<milord_lestat><chealer>I will try...
22:01<enouf>milord_lestat: i'm using ksirc
22:01*enouf hides
22:01<enouf>what's the issue milord_lestat ?
22:01<enouf>milord_lestat: why not /ctcp version me ;-)
22:02<enouf>milord_lestat: er , i meant /ctcp enouf version
22:02<milord_lestat><enouf>my problem is aboout wireless...
22:03*stevecotton loads a 3762 page PDF in to xpdf and wonders what all the fuss is about. That seems to work fine too.
22:03<enouf>milord_lestat: er , i meant /ctcp enouf time{ping} whatever ;-)
22:03<enouf>stevecotton: on a pentium 2 ?
22:03<milord_lestat><enouf>chealer only saying me to use "chealer:" and not "to-> chealer | "
22:04<enouf>milord_lestat: stop with the <> crap, i can;t tell whom you're talking to, nor what you're saying
22:04<enouf>perfect milord_lestat ;-)
22:04<milord_lestat>enouf: interesting...i learned...
22:04<enouf>milord_lestat: /me hacked the perl ;-)
22:04<enouf>milord_lestat: and i don't know any perl O_o
22:05<enouf>stevecotton: well ?
22:05<milord_lestat>huhu
22:05<enouf>:-p
22:05<milord_lestat>Interesting...living and learning...
22:05<stevecotton>I don't have a P2 to test, was seeing how much CPU time it took on my machine.
22:06<amphi>/ctcp lart enouf
22:06<enouf>stevecotton: er, if you did, you'd know what "all the fuss is about "
22:06<enouf>stevecotton: now, what CPU are you on?
22:06<enouf>amphi: :-)
22:07<stevecotton>an AMD64, so yes, much faster
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22:07*enouf rests his case
22:08<amphi>!penixstrike enouf
22:08<dpkg>A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking enouf to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
22:08<enouf>but thanks for playing ;-) (/me passes some nice parting gifts out)
22:08<amphi>enouf: been at the decanter again? ;)
22:08<enouf>amphi: stop that! .. i'm going to have to clean that up now!
22:08<enouf>:-P
22:08<milord_lestat>chealer: i saw a thing in website...if i was using Windows (and i was).My network card do not works propely until halt my pc...
22:09*stevecotton wonders how xpdf does perform on a P2.
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22:09<c01100011>what do you call a script that runs when you open a terminal. that has cool/convinent stuff ?
22:09<enouf>stevecotton: trust me - you do NOT want to know
22:09<chealer>milord_lestat: I'll be back later
22:09<amphi>c01100011: sigismund?
22:09<milord_lestat>chealer: ok...i will truy another things too...Tanks so much
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22:10<enouf>c01100011: a dotfile ?
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22:12<enouf>amphi: i have no idea, but i NEVER got over 100 in hte past
22:12<enouf>~$ glxgears -printfps
22:12<enouf>4037 frames in 5.0 seconds = 806.812 FPS
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22:12<enouf>ajzimmerman: maybe i'll give up DVDs for Games ;-)
22:12<enouf>er
22:13<enouf>amphi: maybe i'll give up DVDs (movies) for Games ;-)
22:13<ajzimmerman>what enouf ?
22:13<enouf>mistab
22:13<enouf>ajzimmerman: how are you this evening my friend?
22:13<ajzimmerman>I am well. Thanks for asking enouf, and how are you?
22:14<enouf>i'm a bit better now - thanks
22:14<ajzimmerman>I was thinking of setting up the torrents and leaving to get coffee this evening.
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22:14<enouf>i find your "explosive" DSL interesting
22:14<ajzimmerman>?
22:14<enouf>.dsl.volcano.net
22:14<enouf>:-P
22:14<ajzimmerman>What does yours say
22:14<enouf>check
22:14<enouf>do /who enouf
22:14<kyle_>what is the best program to sync podcasts with my ipod in linux ?
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22:15<ajzimmerman>I'm setting up tor for xchat.
22:15<enouf>ajzimmerman: i need to learn more about torrents
22:15<ajzimmerman>Then you can tell me if it works enouf
22:15<enouf>ajzimmerman: the RIAA and MPAA can suck my ass
22:15<ajzimmerman>enouf, I will pm you links in a moment.
22:16<qq->kyle_: http://www.squidoo.com/linuxipod
22:16<enouf>kyle_: ipods are "defective-by-design"
22:16<enouf>kyle_: especially newer ones
22:16<ajzimmerman>i like their open firmware enkrypt
22:16<ajzimmerman>enouf.
22:16<enouf>but .. there are tons of hacked ipod stuffs out there
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22:16<enouf>open .. hehe
22:17<enouf>like a Window[tm] ?
22:17<ajzimmerman>No.
22:17<ajzimmerman>Like, better.
22:17<ajzimmerman>;)
22:17<enouf>...
22:17<enouf>http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html
22:18<enouf>"New iPods reengineered to block synching with Linux"
22:18<enouf>open ...
22:18<ajzimmerman>Isn't that gay
22:18<ajzimmerman>Maybe I'm totally wrong then
22:18<abrotman>!tell ajzimmerman about gay
22:18<enouf>you friggin moron .. thanks for playing though ;-)
22:19<ajzimmerman>Jumping on my back are you
22:19*enouf denotes the perfecto timing
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22:19<enouf>a veritable, 'bird in hand + two birds in the bush'
22:19<ajzimmerman>You sound like my dad
22:19<c01100011>dotfile was what i was looking for thanks enouf. Can anyone recomend a good source for some cool .bashrc ideas ?
22:20<enouf>i am your dad, luke
22:20<amphi>enouf: hehe
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22:20<enouf>;-)
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22:21*enouf smashes his dark hemelt into the console for kicks
22:21<abrotman>ludicrous speed!
22:21<enouf>haha
22:21<enouf>wait, mike tyson version - lewdicruth speed
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22:22<ajzimmerman>I like last.fm
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22:24<JRHartley>c01100011: don't use .bashrc, use .bash_profile, is my idea
22:25<c01100011>JRHartley, just set up a slick new theme. and looking to spice up my terminal. never played with customizing my terminal. any tips are welcome
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22:25<enouf>JRHartley: hola amigo - como esta?
22:26<JRHartley>c01100011: set up a proper PS1 prompt string
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22:27<JRHartley>enouf: buena vista
22:27<enouf>JRHartley: haha. .. and a "Happy Chakakhan" to you too :-)
22:28<enouf></close obscure reference to some small short balding red haired jewish comedian on comedy central, years ago>
22:28<JRHartley>c01100011: try this for example - export PS1='\n\[\e[32m\][\[\e[m\]\A \[\e[31m\]\u\[\e[m\]@\[\e[32m\]\h \[\e[34m\]\l \[\e[36m\]\w\[\e[32m\]]\[\e[m\] \n\$ '
22:28<enouf>with bulging eyballs
22:29<c01100011>mother allways said don't take code from strangers. but you seem cool
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22:30<c01100011>ooohh snazzy. I like where this is going.
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22:31<abrotman>JRHartley: your mother would be ashamed
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22:33<JRHartley>abrotman: if she were alive, she might be
22:33<abrotman>doh
22:37<enouf>JRHartley: do you have any idea how to separate the Audio out of a standard CableTV coaxial signal?
22:37<enouf>JRHartley: well, i realize you are across the pond, but still - you're only off by 10HZ O_o
22:38<amphi>-dumpaudiostream ? ;)
22:38<enouf>amphi: well .. hrm, i would just stream the video + audio then ;-)
22:39<enouf>amphi: it's not in sync though with what goes to the boob cathode ray beast
22:39<amphi>tv is teh evil in any case
22:40*enouf concurs
22:40<enouf>amphi: but it's only one stinkin channel :-{
22:40<amphi>fox?
22:40*amphi hides
22:40<JRHartley>enouf: you need a tv tuner, or a radio capable of going to 900MHz. the sound is 6MHz away from the luminance video carrier, and is FM
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22:41<enouf>amphi: see one of my favs, met babes dot com ;-)
22:42<c01100011>if using gnome-terminal I need to set my .bashrc file for customizations. not my .bash_profile correct ?
22:42<enouf>JRHartley: i have the tv tuning it all in - the real issue is, there's no audio out jacks -- i suppose i could pry it open and hook up something, like minjacks
22:42<JRHartley>c01100011: depends on whether it's a login shell
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22:43<amphi>enouf: ah, yes, 'art photography'
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22:43<enouf>amphi: it's so wonderous and beautiful ;-)
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22:44<JRHartley>enouf: if the tv has SCART, you can get an audio breakout lead
22:44<enouf>JRHartley: i see, thank you...
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22:45<JRHartley>amphi: we've met before. on another network. you're bound to find out sonner or later, so i'm telling you now
22:46*enouf watches the beans spill ... :-)
22:46<c01100011>understanding this login shell stuff is tricky. this customized terminal better get me chicks
22:46<amphi>JRHartley: we have? I'm not on many others
22:47<enouf>c01100011: try an instrument instead - maybe the panflute
22:47<c01100011>apt-get install panflute ?
22:47<enouf>apt-get install moo :-P
22:49<c01100011>moo isn't in my repos. That is sad. i miss that ascii cow
22:51<abrotman>it's 'apt-get moo'
22:51<c01100011>ahh, it is part of apt. now i remember. THankw
22:52<c01100011>thank you*
22:52<abrotman>aptitude moo works too
22:52<c01100011>synaptic moo ?
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22:54<enouf>but i wanted him to have a cow :-[
22:54<JRHartley>dselect: unknown action string `moo'
22:55<c01100011>yeah, i am installing gnome apt just to check for moo
22:57<JRHartley>c01100011: you can also put stuff in .inputrc, to set your f keys to do stuff. i have my f7 set to do history reverse search, and f1 to give help on bash etc
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22:58<c01100011>hm maybe worth a look. I just got an aspire one. So i am short on screen space and in need of some new tricks
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22:59<JRHartley>c01100011: a few ideas for you - http://nopaste.com/p/aBpDeap3e
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23:01<c01100011>in case anyone cared to know. there is no alien moo
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23:04<enouf>checkinstall udder mudderfudder ?
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23:38<demondvk>hi all
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23:40<demondvk>we have VMware and vmvare tools are instaled .. but whe i type mii-tool eth0 ..
23:40<demondvk>it's show nothing :(
23:41<demondvk>SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not suported no MII interfaxes found
23:43<demondvk>the kernel linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7
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23:43<wb>is there has any hacker ?
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23:44<demondvk>any ideas ?
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23:46<wb>about cisco router
23:46<wb>do you know about it?
23:48<kingsley>Is the correct way to upgrade flash to do 1.) "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" and 2.) "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install"?
23:48<kingsley>It's not working in iceweasel for me.
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23:52<amphi>demondvk: try ethtool perhaps
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23:57<demondvk>amphi: ethtool -i eth0
23:57<demondvk>driver:pcnet32
23:57<demondvk>version: 1.3.2
23:57<demondvk>firmvare-version:
23:57<demondvk>bus-info: 0000:00:11:0
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23:58<demondvk>sorry
23:58<demondvk>:(
23:58<demondvk>but thats alll :(
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23:59<demondvk>in a real mashine i have full information, but in vmware only this above
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