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---Logopened Wed Sep 10 00:00:53 2008
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00:03<demondvk>i think that the problem in "driver: pcnet32"
00:05<demondvk>it is not vmxnet driver (or i\m mistake) ?
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00:08<peter_>anybody using enlightenment 16?
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00:13<demondvk>please help
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00:19<complexity>whats the talk?
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00:38<snogglethorpe>anyone know the relationship between nice value and cpu frequency control?
00:39<snogglethorpe>I noticed that when running "boinc", which uses nice 19, the kernel keeps the cpus at their lowest frequency
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00:40<acu>guys - where can we propose what a Desktop initial configuration can/should have ? - I think at least three things should be there: default video player VLC - samba enabled by default and something else
00:40<snogglethorpe>that's nice for boinc, since it keeps the fans at low speed, but I'm wondering -- does it do that for _every_ nice value > 0, or just at some point?
00:40<snogglethorpe>sometimes it'd be nice [heh] to have a process which defers to other processes (thus nice value > 0), but still can use all cpu power available
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00:58<chealer>acu: for programs to install or not, one can propose changing the elements of the desktop task in tasksel-data
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01:02<acu>chealer: forgive my ignorance - where can we find the tasksel-data
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01:05<chealer>acu: you can see the list of files in tasksel-data with $ dpkg -L tasksel-data
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01:06<acu>chealer - thanks
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01:08<Guest6180>hola a todos
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02:06<Woet>./exec_server1280: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
02:06<Woet>how to fix this error?
02:06<Woet>I already checked and I got libstdc++6 installed.
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03:15<ali3n0>hi guys. If you're going to deploy a new db server, where will you focus most? any suggestions/hint is appreciated ;)
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03:49<mhash>hi all, silly question, but is sudo part of a debian etch base install? I can't remember installing it; just want to make sure
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03:50<ali3n0>mhash, I think it is installed for sure if you choose not to give root login
03:51<chealer>mhash: no
03:52<mhash>okay -- many thanks. I must have installed it then.
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03:53*tzafrir_laptop wonders why people are so thrilled of that hyped Awesome WM
03:54<tzafrir_laptop>by the default configuration in the Debian package it is obvious that no one really uses it
03:54<tzafrir_laptop>or that wants others to use it
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03:54<tzafrir_laptop>ion attempted to have a usable configuration from the start. awesome come with somewith that is very poor
03:55<tzafrir_laptop>And information seems difficult to come by
03:55<jm_>mhash: you can find that out with apt-cache show sudo (Priority/Essential)
03:56<tzafrir_laptop>it makes it more complicated for me to work without the mouse than, say, icewm
03:56<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: there's lots of info in the wiki
03:56<jm_>yeah icewm is also great to use with keyboard
03:56<mhash>jm_: thank you sir
03:56<tzafrir_laptop>jm_, please point out to me to how I can set up a system tray
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03:56<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: I am not using it ;)
03:57<tzafrir_laptop>icewm has one great feature: very usable out of the box. That said: it lacks extendability
03:57<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: there are scripts, just a sec
03:57<tzafrir_laptop>jm_, I looked for a while. There seem to be some recommendations, but nothing simple
03:58<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: (you need 3.0)
03:59<tzafrir_laptop>that software is not included in Lenny
03:59<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: another one
03:59<jm_>yeah 3.0 is in experimental only
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04:01<jm_>that's why I once looked at sawfish but because one has to use lisp I quickly moved on
04:01<tzafrir_laptop>the features page lists support for "system tray" which is important for me. But then links to a page listing three "system tray" softwares
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04:02<tzafrir_laptop>that just sit there on the screen
04:02<tzafrir_laptop>anyway, back to icewm, to get some work done
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04:03<enouf>thanks for test spinning it for me ;-)
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04:05*enouf is happy, because that's one less thing to dissappoint/frustrate himself over
04:06*enouf also notes, he could never figure out how to fire up icewm, though he found the .ICEauthority crap all over
04:14<jm_>that's got nothing to do with icewm
04:14<jm_>icewm can be used just like any other window manager
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04:19<tzafrir_laptop>back to icewm
04:20<tzafrir_laptop>awesom's homepage also boasts support for "XDG menu directories" (or whatever they call it)
04:20<tzafrir_laptop>but at least the default debian configuration includes no easy access to a menu of programs
04:21<tzafrir_laptop>this also means that awesome is one of those WMs from which you can't easily switch to other WMs
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04:21<tzafrir_laptop>also, when you use awesome and switch to another WM, you find that other windows suddenly have strange sizes
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04:24*enouf fears he's still a windows weenie
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04:26*enouf also notes, the one time he tried gnome, he could never find how to tweak metacity, nor even now, can he find how to tweak kwin
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04:28<jm_>gnome/kde control center :)
04:28<enouf>how ... elusive ;-P
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04:30<bastiaan>someone here knows why programs like ncftp or netkit-ftp don't understand ipv6 ?
04:31<bastiaan>or better: how I can enable it
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04:32<bastiaan>I looked in the source but can't find any ipv6 related options, probably some library laks support?
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04:36<jm_>bastiaan: use lftp
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04:45<m4steR>hi all
04:45<m4steR>I installed compiz on my lenny
04:46<m4steR>i followed all suggestions of the debian wiki
04:46<bastiaan>jm_: doesn't work either with ipv 6...
04:47<m4steR>but i receive blank screen when by terminal I do "$ compiz"
04:48<bastiaan>jm_: hm does work, thanks
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05:03<nas>can reiserfs or ext3 filesystem be mounted from another pc
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05:03<JRHartley>nas: yes. using nfs or samba
05:04<nas>or another pc mounting is strictly nfs
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05:05<nas>so i just specify nfs in fstab even thought the actual file system that is to be mounted is reiserfs?
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05:17<SoloFlyer>Hey Guys
05:18<SoloFlyer>anyone here familar with the debian live (lenny)
05:19<SoloFlyer>i think i might have found a bug... but it could be that im doing somethign silly
05:20<SoloFlyer>the File system in the beta1 release fails when you run dosfsck against it... complaining that the filesystem is bigger than the partition
05:20<SoloFlyer>current debian-live-lenny-i386-gnome-desktop.img to be exact
05:24<tralala>SoloFlyer, what kind of image is that?
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05:25<SoloFlyer> <-- that one
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05:29<tralala>SoloFlyer, because it is a _disk_ image and not a partition image
05:29<SoloFlyer>yes but if you image that disk image on to a drive
05:29<SoloFlyer>tralala, this will fail dosfsck -vV /dev/sdc1
05:30<tralala>SoloFlyer, using dd of=/dev/sdc?
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05:31<SoloFlyer>infact if i use sfdisk -d file.img
05:31<SoloFlyer>it says the partition site is 1542177 sectors
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05:32<SoloFlyer>if you then run dd if=file.img of=part.img skip=32256
05:33<SoloFlyer>and run dosfsck against part.img
05:33<SoloFlyer>or even just look at the size of part.img
05:33<SoloFlyer>its bigger than 1542177seconds
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05:34<tralala>SoloFlyer, sounds like a bug
05:35<SoloFlyer>tralala: cool, thanks for the help ;)
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05:36<tralala>SoloFlyer, sure :)
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05:45<i-D>just find a new world
05:45<i-D>amazing :)
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07:10<omgzor>i have problem with flash
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07:10<omgzor>it doesnt work
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07:11<nas>how to make pc remember eth0:0 even after reboot without having to put it in /etc/network/interfaces?
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07:12<omgzor>ok i solved this :D
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07:16<petemc>nas: the interfaces file is the way to do it
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07:18<petemc>nas: but if you wanted to awkward, i guess a script running ifconfig would work
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07:24<nas>ok thanks
07:24<enouf>how about adding an entry to z25
07:24<enouf>or z75
07:24<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
07:25<nas>oh i didn't know that
07:25<nas>i want the easiest way
07:25<enouf>oh great = the 70 doesn't even have a z :-P
07:25<nas>i mean simplest way
07:26<petemc>the interfaces file is the easiest wauy
07:26<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
07:27<nas>have you guys have experience setting up ipvsadm?
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07:28<nas>i found this link and it works ->
07:29<nas>but then my setup is like this, i only have two nodes, so the real server will have to reside in a vserver on the same host ->
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07:29<nas>any help?
07:31<omgzor>i need help with installing nvidia drivers for Lenny
07:32<enouf>omgzor: that wiki info is good, i jus followed it yesterday, but even i overlooked some things at 1st (since i'm on sid, and using legacy drivers)
07:32<damo>i need help installing nvidia drivers for Denian
07:33<omgzor>lol me too :)
07:33<omgzor>I download some package from but dont know what now
07:33<jm_>omgzor: read above
07:33<jm_>do not use installer
07:34<omgzor>hm ok
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07:34<omgzor>but i dont know how to install nvidia drivers with wiki.debian method
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07:35<themill>dpkg: tell _sagitarius_ about away
07:36<omgzor>ok nevermind :-/
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07:38<MadHag>anybody know a program for my etch server that will allow me to stream video from here at home to a website on the server?
07:39<enouf>2 hops?, ssh tunnels, mpd, shoutcast/icecast ?
07:39<MadHag>14 hops :)
07:40<enouf>well, then just send it out over the web
07:40<MadHag>tons of stuff out there but not quite what I want
07:40<enouf>dunno offhand, but the debconf2008 people did a darned hell good job
07:41<MadHag>I have red5 installed and working a treat
07:42<loony>how do I do print screen? so I can paste it into gimp or something
07:42<MadHag>just press print screen
07:42<loony>doesnt work
07:42<MadHag>then open gimp and click paste
07:43<loony>hum.. running lxde.. should it work there too?
07:43<MadHag>or take a screenshot
07:43<MadHag>it copies to the clipboard just like windows
07:43<loony>doesnt work here
07:43<MadHag>its called cut n paste :)
07:43<MadHag>let me try
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07:45<MadHag>works luvly here
07:45<variable>does any of you use some kind of antivirus in etch?
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07:45<MadHag>just open a blank image in gimp and then click paste
07:45<loony>no image data in clipboard :/
07:46<qq->variable: use > apt-cache search antivirus<
07:46<MadHag>take a photo :)
07:46<loony>dont have a camera
07:46<MadHag>use screenshot
07:46<loony>what you mean?
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07:47<MadHag>work it out
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07:47<MadHag>try alt f2 and type screenshot
07:47<enouf>loony: ksnapshot?
07:48<enouf>or man xclip
07:48<qq->loony: apt-get install screenshot*
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07:48<enouf>or xclipboard or someshit
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07:49<loony>installed gpe-screenshot
07:49<enouf>apt-get install xvidcap or somthing like recordmyDesktop and make movies :-P
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07:49<enouf>xawtv .. haha
07:49<MadHag>dunno why your clip board aint working though, I would look into that
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07:50<enouf>bloated DEs
07:50<enouf>take over
07:50<variable>qq-, but do you use antivirus?
07:50<enouf>it's their PC not yours
07:50<enouf>remember that
07:50<MadHag>avast antivirus is nice on linux, pointless but still good to have
07:51<enouf>variable: some fools actually contaminate tux with windows
07:51<qq->variable: here no
07:53<MadHag>I suppose if linux was mixed with windows servers you would need av, especially if linux was the mail server :)
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07:54<enouf>MadHag: just windows clients is enough
07:54<GuilhermeCunha>how to run program with gnome ?
07:55<variable>so it's pointless to install any of antivirus ;/
07:55<MadHag>alt f2 gterm
07:55<MadHag>if you cant be bothered to move the mouse :)
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07:58<qq->variable: for a simple desktop/internet use , yes
07:59<dpkg>virus is A program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent. or a working version of windows without windows, or see
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08:30<Claudinei>after apt-get dist-upgrade using lenny repositories now I have warnings msgs every time I use apt, someone can help me?
08:31<themill>what messages? (use a pastebin)
08:33<Claudinei>how i use pastebin? (sorry for the stupid question)
08:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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08:37<Claudinei>its in pt-br :-(
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08:37<berto>update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered
08:38<berto>dpkg: erro processando docbook-xml (--configure):
08:38<dpkg>i haven't a clue, berto
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08:38<berto>sub-processo post-installation script retornou estado de saída de erro 1
08:38<berto>that means that postinsti returned 1
08:38<mejo>seems like grub2 doesn't support xen dom0 kernels? at least the section for xen kernels in grub.cfg has similar options as other non-xen kernels. no hypervisor as kernel, instead the vmlinuz file directly.
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08:38<mejo>is this known, or did i miss something?
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09:03<Claudinei>I have to use i newer kernel?
09:03<Claudinei>a new kernel
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09:04<ranix>>>have to
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09:05<Claudinei>qhat i can do?
09:05<Claudinei>what i can do?
09:07<themill>Claudinei: what's the current kernel? uname -r
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09:08<themill>Claudinei: you can grab 2.6.24 from etch (it's called the "etchnhalf" kernel) or 2.6.26 from
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09:09<berto>Claudinei: no, your problem has nothing to do with the kernel
09:09<berto>try reinstalling docbook-xml
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09:11<themill>!update-xmlcatalog bug
09:11<Claudinei># aptitude install docbook-xml
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09:11<enouf>Claudinei: you can make commands spit out english via prefixing LANG=C prior to command run; so for ex; "LANG=C dpkg -l alsa"
09:12<themill>!literal update-xmlcatalog bug
09:12<dpkg>"update-xmlcatalog bug" is "a known bug in <reply>upgrading from etch to lenny. See If you are affected by this bug and can offer help, please do so."
09:12<themill>dpkg: you suck
09:12<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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09:12<enouf>if you want english for the whole session, use "export LANG=C" once, and no command prefixing then
09:15<Claudinei>tanks guys
09:15<Claudinei>in english now
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09:16<themill>dpkg: tell Claudinei about update-xmlcatalog bug
09:16<MadHag>is webmin supported in etch?
09:17<MadHag>updates can be done through webmin itself as I remember
09:17<dpkg>webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
09:19<MadHag>anyother programs I can install that has a gui so that firewall and ports can be manipulated?
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09:23<petemc>MadHag: you could try googling for iptables web front end
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09:27<enouf>MadHag: there's something similar on, but i have no idea how far along it is, or bugginess etc
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09:30<Confusion>Hello, I am looking for the package virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.25. Does anyone know where I may find it? (Currently in Lenny is the 2.6.26 version)
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09:32<Confusion>No, backports doesn't have it. It does have backported versions of most virtualbox packages, but no kernel modules.
09:33<Claudinei>people thanks but i give up
09:33<weasel>build it yourself.
09:33<Claudinei>i will leave this
09:33<weasel>that's how this works.
09:33<Confusion>weasel: Yup, I guess I will have to do that :)
09:33<Claudinei>someone knows the date of lenny becoming stable?
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09:34<dpkg>i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
09:34<enouf>Claudinei: when it's ready - when all rc bugs == 0
09:34<Claudinei>enouf: there is no prediction?
09:34<weasel>when it's ready.
09:34<dpkg>hmm... pool is or
09:35<themill>!lenny pool 1
09:35<dpkg>i guess lenny pool 1 is ! rektide=2008-08-21 themill=2008-12-01 dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15
09:35<enouf>er ... haha
09:35<enouf>place your BETS!
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09:37<enouf>themill: does that 1 .. 2 .. 3 thing work also for when .. crap, i guess not - just tried it
09:37<enouf>like when one does !listvals bug returns 132 hits :-P
09:38<themill>enouf: lenny pool 1 is probably only just full. lenny pool 2 not open yet...
09:38<Claudinei>hey guys
09:38<Claudinei>I make it
09:38<Claudinei>I used aptitude, find docbook-xml and marked it to remove, so worked
09:39<graytron>what's the prize?
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09:39<Confusion>Right, if anyone needs virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.25-2-686.deb, I have one :P. I'm used to newer versions of fglrx-source not compiling against older kernels, but this worked just fine
09:39<Crypticfortune>anyone familiar with proftp with ssl/tls stuffs? it works on the internal network, but for incoming NAT'd connections somehow die once they do "AUTH SSL" (non-ssl connections work fine). do i need to forward/unfirewall some extra ports to do ssl or something?
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09:40<MadHag>is 3 lines of flood allowed here?
09:41<MadHag>welshweb:/usr/bin# kiss start
09:41<MadHag>Since the ip_tables, ipt_state, and/or ipt_multiport modules do not exist, KISS
09:41<MadHag>can not function. Firewall script aborted!
09:41<graytron>take it back
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09:41<MadHag>iptables and ipt state are installed
09:41<Claudinei>bye and thanks everyone
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09:42<MadHag>anyone got kiss running on etch here
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09:42<mejo>is it possible to create a software raid with one active root fs partition and an empty one? /dev/sdb2 is my current root filesystem, and i've no possibility to backup and later rewrite it to the partition. /dev/sdb1 is a partition with the same size. so can i create a software raid device (/dev/md0) from those two devices even if /dev/sdb1 is mounted and online?
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09:42<scawt>anyone know if there are drivers in the making for intel's GM45 Express chipset?
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09:43<mejo>'mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sda1' gives: mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy
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09:46<Crypticfortune>mejo: what's the point of raid when both partitions are on the same physical disk?
09:47<kapil>mejo: if you merely want to mirror /dev/sdb2 to /dev/sdb1 then use mounts and bind mounts to copy the disk data.
09:47<panhack> ===> Hacking, Security
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09:47<panhack> ===> Hacking, Security , Programming
09:48<enouf>panhack: stop it you weenie
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09:52<mejo>Crypticfortune: sdb1 and sda1 aren't on the same physical disk. sorry i meant sdb1 and sda1
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09:52<mejo>kapil: kapil why not use software raid1ß
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09:55<mejo>so is it impossible to create a software raid from one mounted partition and another empty one?
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09:56<petemc>mejo: nothing is impossible, but its not going to be trivial, and its going to involve you getting the data off at least temporarily
09:56<Crypticfortune>mejo: come to think of it, i think what you're after is ultimately impossible, because i really doubt it's possible to mount root from a software raid...?
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09:56<petemc>you can have root on raid1
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09:56<enouf>mejo: do i understand correctly, /dev/sdb1 is already part of another md ?
09:57*Crypticfortune has never actually _used_ software raid in linux, so don't trust him =P
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10:06<Crypticfortune>petemc: i think mejo went afk, but of curiosity, how does that work? you can't point grub at "raid1", so how does this "raid1" come alive while one of it's component devices is already mounted as root? (or does this require some initramfs mojo?)
10:07<petemc>aye, initrd
10:08<Crypticfortune>sounds tricky. so he'd have to set up his initrd stuff, then boot off some livecd, initialize the raid, then boot off his initrd and hope it works...
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10:16<mejo>enouf: no, no raid yet
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10:16<enouf>mejo: ok, then i'm lost .. ignore me ;-)
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10:18<mejo>i got the following advice in 'mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 missing && mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0 && mount /dev/md0 /mnt && cp -ax /[behiortuv]* /mnt/ && mkdir /mnt/dev /mnt/proc/ /mnt/sys && sed -ibak ’s/sdb1/md0/g’ /etc/fstab && reboot' and after reboot: mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1.
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10:23<mejo>something like that. not exactly that commandline though (i.e. /lib*, is missing)
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10:25<m4steR>do you know some bars like the mac one?
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10:27<dpkg>Test Failed.
10:27<Gekz>dpkg: dont hurt me
10:27<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Gekz
10:27<Gekz>it has a gun.
10:28<tralala>SoloFlyer, I just got the livecd and I don't have any errors from dosfsck. I didn't use a usb stick though.
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10:39<dpkg>sparc is probably the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on, or
10:39<Crypticfortune>bloody hell. i solved my ftp+ssl problem via this gentoo page: (i'm not sure exactly _why/how_ this solves it, but using port 20 as my ftp port makes everything happy)
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10:45<dpkg>rumour has it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
10:45<Alex_Shader>sorry ...
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10:45<Crypticfortune>What confuses me is that if port 21 is ftp, and port 20 is ftpdata (according to /etc/servies), why does ftp try to use control+1 in the first place??? stupid protocol......
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10:46<Crypticfortune>ie: the port you connect on (eg. 21) + 1
10:46<stevecotton>that would be dumb
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10:46<cdlu>does anyone still use ftpdata? passive mode replaces it.
10:47<Crypticfortune>like i said, stupid protocol.... >_<;;
10:48<stevecotton>well, it does mean that the "user on A, transfers data from B to C" scenario is likely to be tested by the devs, as ftpdata makes A C.
10:48<Crypticfortune>i had to set up our lab to receive some massive files (around 2TB) from some center that we don't trust completely. they like ftp. ftp fits my "I don't trust you" model, so i went for it...much headache involved though =(
10:49<cdlu>2 TB over any protocol other than sata external hard drive would be painful.
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10:51<Crypticfortune>cdlu: heheh, that was their other suggestion. we were joking that a while back the japanese government asked the various research groups "how much more bandwidth do you need?" and the most vocal group were astronomers (needing to grab radio feeds from telescopes far far away). geneticists said "eh, we're ok." . now we're changing our minds =P
10:51<Kleik>Hello i can't mount my cdrom
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11:02<stevecotton>Kleik: what have you tried so far?
11:02<stevecotton>and what is listed as a cdrom it /etc/fstab?
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11:03<stevecotton>if you type "groups", are you in the "cdrom" group?
11:03<cahoot>Kleik: and.. it is a data cd?
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11:15<variable>after i installed nvidia drivers, the gnome screen resolution preference shows me low refresh rate numbers from 50 up to 58 ;/ how can i fix it?
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11:16<Shadowdancer>if it works, basically by just not caring about what the preference shows
11:17<enouf>variable: install nvidia-settings
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11:21<MadHag>is rootkit hunter in the pkg for etch?
11:21<petemc>there should be a package, yes
11:21<petemc> /msg dpkg search
11:22<MadHag>thats the one
11:22<variable>with nvidia is everything ok but with gnome screen resolution is not good. I can change refresh rate with nvidia x server settings.
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11:23<MadHag>installed, super :)
11:23<variable>but why gnome screen resolutions tool gives me so low refresh rate
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11:26<MadHag>rkhunter -c no problems :)
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11:27<themill>do you believe it?
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11:27<MadHag>I am a trusting sould
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11:28<MadHag>could always be something undetected I suppose
11:30<dynast>Is there a way to view/list all packages that can be build from source (deb-src)? Sorry I'm new to Debian and I'm strugling to build a newer nvidia-glx on lenny.
11:30<stevecotton>dynast: I don't understand your question - all packages should build from source.
11:31<dynast>apt-get source nvidia-glx results in "can't find source for package nvidia-graphics-drivers [/translated from polish]"
11:32<enouf>variable: do you trust what gnome tells you, or what nvidia-settings does?
11:33<enouf>variable: ensure you tell in nvidia-settings to write it to your xorg.conf , then restart gnome
11:33<themill>dynast: tab completion is handy. Or see
11:34<enouf>dynast: for english output, preface each command with LANG=C
11:34<enouf>dynast: but which version of Debian? are you sure you can use te drivers?
11:34<variable>of course i trust in nvidia's settings, and it does that save to xorg.conf
11:35<enouf>variable: gnome might not know how to interface with nvidia's binary blob features, who knows
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11:36<dynast>enouf: NVIDIA screwed up big time with drivers, I need to get 177.70 and hope they have at least partialy fixed it
11:36<stevecotton>apt-get source can be broken, even for non-Nvidia packages. Sometimes it's necessary to (find the .dsc file on ; use "dget <url of .dsc file>")
11:37<enouf>apt-cache showsrc should work
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11:39<stevecotton>I should probably stick this somewhere - downloading directly from Nvidia, 173.14.05 or 173.14.09 crashed a lot (can't remember which). 173.14.12 is stable but very slow (5 FPS in places on UT2004 DM maps). The beta 177.70 seems good so far.
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11:40<dynast>stevecotton: Have you installed 177.70 from their installer?
11:40*egns saluda a todo dios
11:40<stevecotton>dynast: yes
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11:41<dynast>stevecotton: ok, gonna try it. Thanks
11:41<enouf>heh.. my card just barely allows me to use the 96xx legacy drivers, otherwise i'd need the 7xxx legacy, haha
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11:42<stevecotton>it's a PITA, whichever way you do it
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11:45<MadHag>is there a main debian security site?
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12:27<MadHag>anyone familiar with tripwire?
12:27<dpkg>tripwire is probably a File System integrity checker for "Intrusion Detection" using cyrptographic checksums such as MD5 and Blowfish. Layman's terms: It tells you if you've been haX03d and 0w3n3d.. Use AIDE instead, or for open source tripwire see and for CVS instructions see
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12:36<fantasticmrfox>Lo, my users FTP in to a root directory where I've provided sub directories which are 'mount --bind' directories to other areas on the system like web sites or personal space etc...
12:37<fantasticmrfox>I'd like to have WebDAV access to the same root directory... but every guide I've seen has WebDAV as only allowing access to the root of a web domain
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12:37<fantasticmrfox>Is this a limitation of WebDAV... that it only be used _with_ apache and _only_ for domains
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12:46<variable>so amarok supports global shortcuts ;]
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12:51<JRHartley>hey variable, got any more insoluble problems ? :)
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12:53<variable>emm yes
12:54<variable>I installed jdk6
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12:55<variable>but when write java -verssion it shows me an old one
12:55<variable>so i think i need to remove old verssion
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12:56<variable>and some how make that my terminal could use new jdk
12:57<variable>i think this is somthing with envirement variables is it true?
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12:59<variable>like path or something
12:59<variable>but how to do that?
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13:01<techbee>variable, man export
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13:02<iandeb>Is here anyone who is experienced in splashy?
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13:03<techbee>!ask iandeb
13:03<variable>No manual entry for export
13:04<JRHartley>variable: right. java is handled by the "alternatives" system. what happens is this : /usr/bin/java is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/java, which in turn points to the real location of the java executable. this is usually somewhere like /usr/lib/jvm/<version>/jre/bin. the reason for this, is so you can have more than one java installed, but only one is used. you can use the "alternatives" cli program to manipulate th
13:04<JRHartley>e links
13:04<jthomas>wols how can I do that to change the compile options?
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13:05<JRHartley>variable: export is a bash built-in command. "help export" in bash
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13:05<iandeb>techbee: I have chosen a different theme for my booting process (debian3), but at the beginning of the init process the default blue penguin theme is shown for a short time before splashy shows debian3
13:05<iandeb>techbee: Is there a way to make splashy just start debian3
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13:06<iandeb>techbee, btw: of course I am on debian sid
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13:07<JRHartley>variable: try "alternatives --config java", or install the gnome/gtk program "galternatives"
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13:08<techbee>iandeb, no idea , googling might help
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13:09<variable>well i have non-free jdk from sun and it is installed in /usr/local/ so i don't know will that alternatives will work for me
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13:10<michael_>anyone here?
13:11<techbee>dpkg, tell michael_ about ask
13:11<variable>no ;]
13:12<michael_>this is my first time on IRC
13:12<JRHartley>variable: aah. well you can still use the alternatives system.
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13:12<variable>where is kept those environment variables?
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13:13<JRHartley>variable: the debian command is "update-alternatives". i use several distros, and they are all a bit different. sorry about that
13:13<michael_>mmm dairy milk
13:13<oc>how can i make a module from /etc/modules load with parameters ?
13:14*michael_ eats a dairy milk
13:14<michael_>hehe it worked
13:14<JRHartley>oc: just add the parameters after the module name. man modprobe
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13:14<oc>ok thx
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13:19<flypiper>can someone give me a link for a work around? Im using Workstation.6 with a Debian host and need to run a windhus product for one application. I have tried custom config and standard with the same results.... INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
13:19<scawt>apt-build makes ubuntu all gentoo like. or are compiler optimizations for processor architecture overrated?
13:20<scawt>i meant to say debian not ubuntu :}
13:20<flypiper>crap.. wrong window... sorry
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13:22<variable>JRHartley, update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/usr/local/jdk1.6.0_07/jre/java'.
13:22<variable>but it is there ;/
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13:24<themill>variable: why not just use the debian packages for java6?
13:24<oc>how can i get modules in /etc/modules to be loaded with parameters ?
13:24<themill>variable, JRHartley: there's update-java-alternatives which is better for that than just update-alternatives
13:25<variable>themill, what's up with local?
13:26<JRHartley>oc: yeah looks like i gave you a bum steer. have you got /etc/modules.conf ? you can add "options <module> <parameters>" in there, i think ...
13:26<JRHartley>themill: right
13:26<themill>(just fyi)
13:26<themill>variable: nothing in debian touches stuff in local. And I'm guessing that your invocation of update-alternatives was very wrong. Just use the debian packages....
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13:27<variable>so i don't get it what for that local if nothing use that dir?
13:27<kirkroy>Ok, so how do I set up port forwarding?
13:28<kirkroy>I got iptables installed, I'm just not sure how it works yet.
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13:29<themill>variable: it's for you to install things if there is no debian package. And packages are the only things that will interact with the alternatives system.
13:30<JRHartley>themill: i've added non-package things to alternatives before now. but you are right about using the proper debian packages, if they are available
13:31<themill>JRHartley: yeah, doable but not worth the faff :)
13:31<JRHartley>themill: faff is a scottish word ?
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13:31<JRHartley>faffing around is used a lot in edinburgh
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13:33<themill>not that I know of. (I'm not scottish)
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13:34<variable>if local is for app which doesn't have deb package so what for /opt dir?
13:34<variable>same too?
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13:38<kirkroy>Ok, so how do I set up port forwarding?
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13:41<MadHag>whats the command to clear iptables, I have virtually shut myself out of my server playing with webmins firewall :)
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13:45<MadHag>luckerly enough the fwall is not set to start at boot so I should be lucky with a reboot
13:45<JRHartley>variable: sort of yeah. /opt is a semi-official place for stuff that isn't as transient as /usr/local, but isn't in the repos either. realplayer, bit defender for unices are like this
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13:46<variable>so where should i install that jdk?
13:46<kirkroy>Can anyone help me with iptables? #linux was quiet.
13:47<MadHag>phew! Back in
13:47<MadHag>kirkroy, all I can say is be very careful
13:47<MadHag>I nearly shut myself out
13:47<JRHartley>variable: /opt is actually not a bad place for it. i've put jre in there before. but isn't there a debian package that does what you want ?
13:48<variable>well i want to stick with sun solution ;]
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13:50<JRHartley>variable: are you on gnome desktop ? cos galternatives is easy, simple and almost (but not quite) completely idiot-proof for managing the alternatives system without man pages and forgotten cli options
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13:51<variable>yes on gnome
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13:57<MadHag>kirkroy, I was just playing with iptables in webmin and shut myself out
13:57<MadHag> a reboot put me right though
13:58<kirkroy>That's why I was hoping someone here could help, so I don't screw myself over by accident.
13:58<MadHag>if I had the firewall to start at boot I would have been in a pickle a bit
13:59<kirkroy>so, any clue how to forward port 4000? I'm a bit afeared of doing anything with networking stuff.
14:00<MadHag>you have a router?
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14:01<MadHag>you should be able to do it in there I think
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14:02<MadHag>to open a port
14:02<dpkg>hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
14:02<MadHag>webmin is rather cool if you ask me
14:04<MadHag>I installed it for the firewall basically
14:04<MadHag>lots of fun things in there though
14:04<kirkroy>lame noob question now, how would I tell the router to forward a port?
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14:05<MadHag>what is it your after, open port 4000
14:05<kirkroy>yup. That's the one.
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14:06<MadHag>webmin would do that or get into your router with the admin access and do it there
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14:06<MadHag>whats it for p2p?
14:07<kirkroy>for a MUD.
14:07<MadHag>lost me, bit of a noob myself, but learning fast
14:07<kirkroy>same here.
14:07<MadHag>in at the deep end
14:07<kirkroy>I'm getting back into debian mostly to get back into coding.
14:08<kirkroy>MUD = Multiple User Dungeon.
14:08<MadHag>so, for a desktop you mean and not remote
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14:09<MadHag>better get into ya router then
14:09<MadHag>dmz or something like that
14:09<kirkroy>What's that? demilitarized zone?
14:09<MadHag>my router is like a mini pc once you get in there
14:10<MadHag>admin password should get you in lol
14:11<MadHag>watchout for gary mckinnon though
14:11<MadHag>the guy who hacked the us armys pc network
14:11<MadHag>probably passed by your router on the way :)
14:12<kirkroy>If I see that name, I'll go back the way I came.
14:12<MadHag>he off to the states soon to get fried
14:12<kirkroy>He's not an american? Even kewler!
14:13<kirkroy>Our first enemy. *grin*
14:13<MadHag>like me
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14:13<kirkroy>Hey, I got wingmen over in GB. I've got no problems with the redcoats.
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14:14<kirkroy>how do I get into the router? Physically open it up?
14:14<kirkroy>I've never done that before.
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14:18<MadHag>even my inventel is on that list
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14:18<kirkroy>That'll do it me thinks.
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14:59<lenin>help I think some hacker attack my Debian
15:00<lenin>lenin tty7 2008-09-10 13:27 (:0)
15:00<lenin>lenin pts/0 2008-09-10 20:53 (:0.0)
15:00<lenin>two user login and error XDM
15:00<lenin>but I use gdm
15:01<scawt># rm -rf hax0r
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15:07<scawt>i would disconnect from the net
15:07<scawt>and audit my box
15:07<scawt>if i was lenin
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15:08<scawt>look for executables that don't belong
15:08<dpkg>tty is probably an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator.
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15:17<sk8_dita>e ai
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15:18<sk8_dita>o q
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15:19<carol>tem alguem oline
15:19<sk8_dita>whats your name
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15:20<carol>quem e voce
15:20<carol>meu nome e carol
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15:20<sk8_dita>pau de mel
15:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:20<variable>please in english
15:21<MagBo>æåñòü. ïðèñîåäèíÿþñü ê ïåðåìåííîé.
15:21<MagBo>write in english.
15:21<carol>hgdkj sb
15:21<sk8_dita>o meu nome é danrley
15:21<variable>how to check who was logged in on my pc and when?
15:22<JRHartley>variable: "last"
15:22<sk8_dita>how are you
15:22<variable>it will work with simple user or just on root?
15:22<carol>@ 4563
15:23<sk8_dita>quantos anos vc tem
15:23<carol>eu estou em S. paulo
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15:23<variable>what does it means "tty2 " or "pts/0"
15:24<sk8_dita>eu em Cabralia (bahia
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15:26<sk8_dita>fala alguma coisa
15:27<amphi>sk8_dita: stop
15:27<MagBo>oh please, kick him
15:28<sk8_dita>fala em portugues
15:28<amphi>!tell sk8_dita -about br
15:29<sk8_dita>carol cade vc
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15:33<variable>!kick sk8_dita
15:33*dpkg kicks sk8_dita in the ass.
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15:33<hno>How do I figure out wivh package provides a file in debian?
15:34<amphi>hno: apt-file or dpkg -S
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15:35<hno>amphi: There is no apt-file on this system, and dpkg -S ony works for installed packaged right=
15:36<amphi>hno: right; install apt-file, do apt-file update, and the apt-file search whatever
15:36<JRHartley>hno: which file are you interested in ?
15:37<hno>JRHartley: Cutrrently /usr/bin/pager, but probably there is many files missing.. working on a ReadyNAS box which is based on a stripped down Debian sparc
15:38<hno>Hmm.. apt-file fails with a perl link error... /usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/AptPkg/ undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
15:39<JRHartley>hno: pager is usually "less" under the "alternatives" system
15:40<JRHartley>hno: so /usr/bin/pager is symlink to /etc/alternatives/pager is symlink to /usr/bin/less
15:40<hno>JRHartley: Yes, but which package provides the alternatives glue?
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15:41<JRHartley>hno: dpkg provides update-alternatives iirc
15:41<aranaX1>hello! i have a question
15:41<hno>figured it out.. installing less fixed things up..
15:41<hno>turned out less was a busybox less, not the real thing.
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15:42<aranaX1>what is the diference between ITA and ITP?
15:43<hno>aranaX1 in wgat cibtext are they used?
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15:44*hno has one of the kids in his arms so typing is a bit impaired..
15:44<aranaX1>hno: the manteiners guide
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15:45<aranaX1>hno: intent to package, intento to adopt
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15:48*aranaX1 was ignored
15:48*hno is looking up the meaning of ITA...
15:50*aranaX1 found this
15:51<JRHartley>aranaX1: you want to have your prize program adopted as an official debian package ?
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15:53<MadHag>i am outa here, thanks for the help today
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15:53<aranaX1>JRHartley: mmm something like that
15:54<JRHartley>aranaX1: #debian-mentors does that sort of thing. well they tell you how to file a RFP to wnpp
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15:57<aranaX1>JRHartley: thanks for the help
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15:58<JRHartley>aranaX1: np. you might have to wait a while for adoption tho. i filed a request for packaging severl months ago ...
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16:01<bedo2>anyone using lvm - logical volume management ?
16:01<aranaX1>bedo2: no man
16:02<dpkg>it has been said that lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:,, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>,, IRC: #lvm @
16:02<bedo2>thx i ll check all that
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16:08<bedo2>well all that about lvm seem for experienced user :( and while im Win32 noob it will take me days to study that
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16:09<bedo2>i just dont understand "The Debian installer has excellent support for creating LVM setups." but it dont work as expected
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16:09<petemc>what didnt work?
16:10<bedo2>i just picked LVM from guided partition menu, but now all parted, fschck dont work
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16:10<bedo2>also i always get fschck error on startup
16:11<petemc>it tells you you need to run fsck?
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16:11<bedo2>well i did all automated install, and it runs at beginning then prompt me to press ctrl+d to continue
16:12<bedo2>also gparted hangs in gnome and also disk manager dont work :(
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16:12<petemc>what is it you want to do with gparted?
16:13<bedo2>i though it is GUI program for managing partition ?
16:14<petemc>you're using lvm, so you have to use lvm tools to manipulate the disk now
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16:14<petemc>i would suggest not doing that tho, as you dont seem to know what you're doing
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16:14<bedo2>well but i dont see any tools for that :( lvm seems great !!!
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16:15<bedo2>logical volume is big advantage you can resize anytime
16:16<bedo2>so while it comes from red hat more ppl will be using it there ? no ppl on debian use lvm ?
16:16<petemc>it doesnt come from red hat
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16:16<petemc>its from aix
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16:19<dpkg>hmm... tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator.
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16:19<dpkg>somebody said aix was the unix from the universe where Spock had a beard, or pronounced "aches", or more evil than HP-UX, or 'I can't believe it's not Unix'. Err, wait, it's IBM perverted bastard of Unix.
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16:23<bedo2>well lvm utility works but it only text based, can i remove somehow all those parted and gparted stuff which cant work on lvm now ?
16:23<petemc>aptitude remove..
16:23<xbj9000>can anyone help me with acpi suspend on a thinkpad A21m?
16:23<bedo2>but are u sure i will never need them ?
16:24<xbj9000> does nohing
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16:30<hahnp>Everybody who has kernel 2.6.26. There is a nice gimmick available. I cant explain that just press ALT+PRINT+O
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16:30<variable>what is gimmick?
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16:31<hahnp>sth like trick
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16:31<hahnp>nice to have
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16:32<myownlittlworld>don't be mean with your magic keys. at least tell them to use "S" and "U" before "O"
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16:33<petemc>!ops hahnp trying to fool people into using magic mysrq commands
16:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: petemc complains about: hahnp trying to fool people into using magic mysrq commands
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16:34<streuner>hahnp: what the hell are you doing?
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16:34<weasel>going home.
16:35<streuner>hm, a troll
16:35<azeem>petemc: please try to /communicate/ before calling the ops
16:35<petemc>azeem: i thought calling the ops was communicating?
16:35<streuner>azeem: look at his quit-message...
16:35<petemc>what is it you think i should do?
16:35<azeem>petemc: do you know the story about the guy who called "wolves" all the time?
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16:36<petemc>azeem: i dont think i overuse that bot command, but if you're asking me to stop - no problem
16:36<aranaX1>hahnp: is something like sys request?
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16:37<streuner>aranaX1: gone
16:37<petemc>azeem: with the right kernel option enabled, that would shut down your machine
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16:37<azeem>petemc: no, I don't - I just think some things can be tried to clear up without calling the ops
16:37<petemc>gah, that was for aranaX1
16:37<weasel>petemc: I'd bet good money on azeem knowing of mgsysrq
16:37<azeem>but ok
16:37<petemc>weasel: yes
16:38<variable>what's up with that magic key?
16:38<aranaX1>variable: what magic key?
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16:41<myownlittlworld>variable: the O magic key immediately turns off the machine.
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16:42<variable>with what command?
16:42<myownlittlworld>useful to know if you system ever hangs hard and is unresponsive, but dangerous to use with out "S" (sync) and "U" (unmount drives) first
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16:42<streuner>azeem: you aren't a native english speaker; you should trust people more who talking that the whole day...
16:42<aranaX1>variable: see that link
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16:43<streuner>azeem: specially petemc, he is usually serious
16:43<petemc>its alll good streuner, thank you tho
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16:43<stevecotton>perl taint question : in Perl 5.8, would $name be untainted by next if $name =~ /^\.\.?$/;
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16:44<weasel>stevecotton: shouldn't IIUC
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16:44<jmaslibre>aranaX1: ping
16:45<stevecotton>thanks weasel. I'll return to working out how what I'm looking at ever worked.
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16:47<aranaX1>jmaslibre: pong
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16:48<dondelelcaro>stevecotton: assignment is pretty much the only way to clear taintedness
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16:48<dondelelcaro>(assignment of untained values, of course)
16:49<aranaX1>jmaslibre: see this link is to restore the iptables on the boot
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16:51<stevecotton>another perl taint question: in perl 5.8, did printf bulk at being given a tainted first argument?
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16:52<ccg>some irc networks seems to g-line me due to lack of identd, what can i do ?
16:52<streuner>install a identd?
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16:52<ccg>which one ?
16:52<streuner>apt-cache search identd
16:52<ccg>pidentd doesn't do
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16:56<dondelelcaro>stevecotton: I don't believe it did, but I could be mistaken
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16:57<dondelelcaro>stevecotton: it doesn't on 5.8 or 5.10 here
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17:04<stevecotton>dondelelcaro: thanks, and thanks again for testing on 5.10 too. I'll look in to why mine is different to yours.
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17:13<MadHag>there is a security alert with regards to freetype fonts or something
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17:15<qq->ou ca ?
17:15<qq->oui ça ...
17:15<MadHag>apt_get update and upgrade sorts it though
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17:17<MadHag>vous français?
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17:17<qq->MadHag: no, i presume you are talking about sid , isn't it ?
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17:19<baatr>hi people
17:19<MadHag>is this cryptic night
17:20<dpkg>well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
17:20<MadHag>ah, no stable as well
17:20<baatr>i am russian=)
17:20<qq->baatr: privet
17:21<baatr>privet qq-
17:21<baatr>kak dela?
17:21<qq->kak delo/
17:21<MadHag>run apt-get update and upgrade and you will see
17:21<baatr>u mena norm
17:21<azeem>qq-, baatr: please talk english in here
17:21<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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17:22<qq->MadHag: i run sid
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17:22<MadHag>fonts are fonts
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17:23<qq->MadHag: anyway is not here you are talking about that , try #debian
17:23<MadHag>and apparently somehow they are dodgy :)
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17:23<cogwheel>qq-, this is #debian.
17:24<MadHag>Several local vulnerabilities have been discovered in freetype,
17:24<MadHag>a FreeType 2 font engine, which could allow the execution of arbitrary
17:24<qq->ah , ok
17:24<baatr>qq- go to the russian debian
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17:24<MadHag>For the unstable distribution (sid), these problems have been fixed in
17:24<MadHag>version 2.3.6-1.
17:24<MadHag>We recommend that you upgrade your freetype package.
17:25<qq->baatr: i can speak only few words , sorry
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17:26<JRHartley>qq-: you were asking about dsnoop. dsnoop is not a command, it's the name given to the (software) capture mixing that alsa(lib) performs
17:27<qq->JRHartley: thanks ... good memory
17:27<JRHartley>qq-: it's like dmix for (software) playback mixing
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17:28<qq->JRHartley: i'll try to figure it out , thanks again
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17:30<glazzies_>got a quick question about sound devices. i'm trying to change my primary sound device to a usb headset instead of my sound card. so far i have tried selecting the headset in Kmix. that didn't work. any ideas?
17:30<glazzies_>...what are you so mad about?
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17:31<qq->as root , have selecting in Kmix ?
17:32<glazzies_>no. just as regular user
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18:32<dpkg><jetscreamer> hey isn't there some way to get a 4g file on fat32? like some different version of fat32 or something?
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18:38<stevecotton>*lol* Thanks amphi.
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18:44<aranaX1>dpkg: mmm try ntfs
18:44<dpkg>aranaX1: I don't know, could you explain it?
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18:45<aranaX1>ntfs is another filesystem used for WinNT, XP, etc
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18:45<aranaX1>why don't you try ext3?
18:45<amphi>!confuse aranaX1
18:45<dpkg>Yes, where is my pants today, aranaX1? lederhosen of the people's republic of swaziland with extra ham
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18:46*aranaX1 is now confuse
18:47<themill>dpkg: confuse aranaX1
18:47<dpkg>No, how is our hamster today, aranaX1? breeches of the dictatorship of belarus with extra cheese
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18:54<kikinovak>Hi. Q: is there a way to prevent a certain module from being loaded from within GRUB? (I can't edit blacklisted modules, since I can't boot)
18:55<kevind23>Help. pcspkr is blacklisted, and I've tried many many times to unload it, and yet, I still hear beeping, which is pretty much the most annoying noise ever.
18:55<dondelelcaro>kikinovak: grub has nothing to do with loading modules
18:56<dondelelcaro>kikinovak: if you mean how can you keep modules from being loaded using the kernel options, boot using the single user option or boot using init=/bin/bash and then backlist the module and reboot
18:56<kikinovak>Ah. 1 min.
18:57<kikinovak>dondelelcaro erm... simply give init=/bin/bash as an option in menu.lst?
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18:57<dondelelcaro>kikinovak: uh... if you can edit menu.lst, then that's not how you blacklist modules.
18:57<dondelelcaro>kikinovak: what exactly is the problem?
18:58<kikinovak>dondelelcaro well, when the PC boots, I can press 'e' and then edit menu.lst :o)
18:58<kikinovak>but that's it.
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18:58<kikinovak>I'm fiddling with an install of an MSI Wind netbook that has no CD and no network.
18:58<kikinovak>I'll spare you the details.
18:58<kikinovak>But your idea seems good.
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18:59<rutski>from [ ]: "To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them."
18:59<rutski>how do I know what's on which CD?
18:59<craigevil-eee>rutski: netinstall would be the simplest
18:59<rutski>craigevil-eee: can't, I'll get to why in a moment
19:00<themill>!cd contents
19:00<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
19:00<rutski>I have an intel iMac that I'm trying to install debian on. It's all fine so far, expect for the networking. There's some very new module called "sky2" that's in debian that claims to support the iMac's little supported ethernet card.
19:00<rutski>but the version of this "sky2" module in 2.6.18 (the best kernel in etch), isn't do it
19:00<abrotman>what about etchnhalf ?
19:00<rutski>and I hear that slightly newer kernels have a better working version of this sky2 thing
19:01<rutski>I was wondering if I could somehow install sid from a CD maybe?
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19:01<rutski>or do they only distribute sid via the net?
19:01<rutski>themill: ah, thanks for the link
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19:01<abrotman>rutski: try the etchnhalf
19:01<rutski>abrotman: wait... you were serious about that? what does that mean?
19:01<abrotman>use a CDRW if you can
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19:02<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
19:02<rutski>ah, perfect
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19:02<abrotman>i won't guarantee it works with your sky2 .. but it doesn't have newer support
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19:03<rutski>it's definitely worth a shot
19:03<rutski>ah, and it's just a netinst iso, so I'll find out pretty quick if it works or not; neat
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19:07<rutski>here it goes
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19:08<abrotman>that was a quick download
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19:11<kikinovak>dondelelcaro Hey it worked great! You made my day! (well, night)
19:13<qq->on which kernel kikinovak ?
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19:38<qq->ot! Debian is gpl-3 now ?
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19:39<themill>what do you mean? Debian doesn't own any source code. It's not like the FSF.
19:40<qq->ah , ok
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19:42<abrotman>they do
19:42<qq->but which glp may distribute in main
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19:44<themill>qq-: gplv3 is a licence that complies with the DFSG. So does GPLv2. So does the BSD licence. So does the WTFPL. Software with all these licences is in main.
19:44<qq->s/glp /gpl *
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19:45<themill>qq-: same for apache licence, artistic licence, php licence... there are many that are acceptable.
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19:48<qq->themill: thanks , is you have linked here a wiki page who changed licence to (only ) gpl-2 (I don't recall exactly the name)
19:49<themill>!lenny release notes
19:49<dpkg>Draft release notes at and, or see <update-xmlcatalog bug>
19:49<themill>^^ that one?
19:50<qq->yes, and there is said that Debian can't use
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19:51<themill>There was a mix up about which licence to use for the release notes. That's all.
19:51<oigres>Is there a way to view the contents of an iso file?
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19:51<qq->his contents in Debian , ah ok
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19:55<abrotman>oigres: mount over loopback
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19:55<abrotman>!mount iso
19:55<dpkg>i heard iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
19:57<panagos>how can i find which kernel module is responsible for a particular file showing up under /dev (udev)?
19:58<oigres>abrotman: Tx, that was cool!
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20:25<sts>hello folks! does anybody know that modules are needed to boot debian/etch from a HP DL 320 G5p with software raid enabled? Im getting "Waiting for root file system".
20:26<sts>AFAIK they use an AHCI controller.
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20:28<sts>we are just doing a maintenance window, it's half past two in the morning the the god damn software raid doesn't boot.
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20:30<themill>!waiting root
20:30<dpkg>If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>
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20:43<themill>dpkg, greet complexity
20:43<dpkg>Bonjour, complexity
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20:45<complexity>ha! had the bot do it....greeeat
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20:54<sts>themill: what about software raid? md is using UUIDs to identify disks, right?
20:55<themill>nfc, sorry. That's just the most frequent cause of that error message, but we've seen it in other contexts too but I've never heard what the cause or solution was.
20:56<sts>!can't mount root
20:56<dpkg>If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd
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21:16<rickbot>it always seems to come down to 'check your config' doesn't it?
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21:36<rutski>abrotman, worked like a charm :D
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21:36<rutski>abrotman, just spend the past few hours getting everything set up to my liking; but the actual install was a breeze this time
21:36*abrotman doesn't remember
21:37<rutski>abrotman, I'm the guy you suggest etchnhalf to
21:37<abrotman>rutski: ah ok
21:37<abrotman>i finally remembered :)
21:37<abrotman>rutski: glad to hear it
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21:43<rutski>anyway, back to the mac partition for itunes; and then bed. But now at least I have a debian machine for work tomorrow that's a step up from that annoying old dell :)
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22:03<TMcTrain>I'm running Debian 2.6.18-6-486 -> Net-Installation
22:03<TMcTrain>apt-get update
22:03<TMcTrain>apt-get install ssh
22:03<TMcTrain>apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18
22:03<TMcTrain>apt-get install kernel-package
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22:08<seeker>i installed samba, and try to install my printer in qnome. It gives me the computer names on my network and when i select the correct one it also gives me the printer name and when I select that and it apply after i select a correct driver the screen goes away and nothing else happens. What am I missing
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22:19<TMcTrain>I'm running Debian 2.6.18-6-486 -> Net-Installation
22:19<TMcTrain>apt-get update
22:19<TMcTrain>apt-get install ssh
22:19<TMcTrain>apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18
22:19<TMcTrain>apt-get install kernel-package
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22:20<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
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22:23<TMcTrain>can someone help me with the problem pasted under
22:23<TMcTrain>Posting 16952 from TMcTrain posted at 2008-09-11 04:21:59 expires: 2008-09-14 04:21:59
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22:24<TMcTrain>can someone help me with the problem pasted under
22:24<TMcTrain>Posting 16952 from TMcTrain posted at 2008-09-11 04:21:59 expires: 2008-09-14 04:21:59
22:25<abrotman>firstly .. use modprobe
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22:26<TMcTrain>modprobe gives the same error
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22:27<abrotman>not the point
22:27<TMcTrain>i used insmod for testin purposses due to the preexisting module in the /lib/modules/...
22:28<abrotman>depmod -a won't return anything
22:29<abrotman>it's not supposed to
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22:29<TMcTrain>CAD-000:/usr/src# depmod -a
22:30<TMcTrain>I assume that's nothing :-)
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22:33<TMcTrain>depmod -a on the old system gives the same result but there the module is working perfectly fine.
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22:35<Student>Greetings every1
22:35<Student>how do i know what CLASS is my ip address?
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22:42<Student>Thanx TMcTrain
22:42<TMcTrain>hope the language wasn't so difficult
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22:47<Student>well numbers are normally easy to understand :)
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22:49<TMcTrain>So someone awake and brain aktive to give me a suggestion for my module-problem?
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22:54<abrotman>TMcTrain: you could also try the #debian on freenode
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22:55<dondelelcaro>TMcTrain: depmod doesn't return anything ever
22:55<dondelelcaro>well, at least, not when run in that fashion.
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22:56<dondelelcaro>TMcTrain: and secondly, your modules aren't compiled properly if modprobe or insmode is complaining about their formet
22:56<dondelelcaro>TMcTrain: finally, why are you building your own kernel instead of using Debian's?
22:58<snogglethorpe>debian's is a bit on the bloated side
22:58<snogglethorpe>needs like 50-60MB of disk space
22:58<TMcTrain>tx snogglethorpe :-)
22:58<dondelelcaro>so? disk space is cheap
22:58<snogglethorpe>dondelelcaro: sometimes you jsut don't have it though
22:59<TMcTrain>and i don't have it
22:59<dondelelcaro>TMcTrain: is this some kind of embedded device?
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22:59<dondelelcaro>(and in any event, Debian kernels only take up 20M)
23:00<dondelelcaro>which architecture?
23:00<dondelelcaro>and how much disk space do you actually have?
23:00<dondelelcaro>(and furthermore, why are you compiling on an embedded device?)
23:01<snogglethorpe>dondelelcaro: unless thigns have changed very recently they take much more than 20MB, for a 686 install
23:01<TMcTrain>ok, you suggest to switch to the precompiled one and try again?
23:01<snogglethorpe>dondelelcaro: [measured by doing "df" before and after installing]
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23:03<TMcTrain>ok, i'll try -> 5min
23:03<dondelelcaro>TMcTrain: your problem is that you haven't compiled the modules properly, which indicates that you either haven't configured the kernel you're trying to compile against properly, or you're not actually building against the kernel that you're running
23:03<abrotman>Installed-Size: 55992 for the .26
23:03<dondelelcaro>TMcTrain: if we're talking about a machine with more than a gigabyte of diskspace, however, it's not worth worying about at all.
23:04<dondelelcaro>yeah, I have to remember that Size: is the package size, not the installed size
23:04<dondelelcaro>(and if it's less than a gigabyte, then you probably want to look at emdebian anyway)
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23:07<TMcTrain>not to sound stupid but what things should I make different than
23:07<TMcTrain>cd /temp/src
23:07<TMcTrain>echo "obj-m := max1236.o" > Makefile
23:07<TMcTrain>make -C /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
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23:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:07<TMcTrain>not to sound stupid but what things should I make different than
23:07<TMcTrain>cd /temp/src
23:08<TMcTrain>echo "obj-m := max1236.o" > Makefile
23:08<TMcTrain> make -C /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
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23:10<TMcTrain>where /tem/src/max1236.c and the sources are /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 ?
23:11<TMcTrain>the thing i don't understand is that on the old system with r4.0 this steps worked and now with the new one and r4.1 it suddenly doesn't anymore! :-?
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23:17<Student>how to route the "default" gateway?
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23:18<TMcTrain>route add default gw addr
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23:18<TMcTrain>list al routes with route -n
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23:19<TMcTrain>more examples: man route
23:20<Student>i just have to use the word "default" in the route command?
23:21<TMcTrain>Exaple: route add default gw
23:21<Student>like route add default dev
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23:26<TMcTrain>@Student are you setting up a software router?
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23:30<Student>umm actually i am trying to establish VPN connection
23:31<Student>and in this effort i need to set my route with the new obtained ip address
23:31<colin_>i'm having trouble installing debian on my machine over here, it is unable to mount my cd-rom: "No common CD-ROM drive was detected"
23:31<colin_>is there maybe a work-around?
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23:32<Student>idealy i should have some automated sort of script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/route-traffic , so whenever i use "pon" thing , it will get the client ip address param and set them
23:33<TMcTrain>isn't this a part of your VPN client?
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23:33<Student>i am using Debina R4a , there is no graphical vpn client
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23:33<Student>i have to configure chaps-secrets etc and every thing is fine
23:34<Student>i am using PPPT to establish the VPN connection
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23:35<Student>now i have one basic Problem/question in my mind
23:36<Student>how to set my default ip address
23:36<Student>my isp have CLAss A type Network
23:37<colin_>is it possible to load cd-rom drivers during install from a usbkey because there is no floppy drive installed in the system
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23:37<TMcTrain>do you have a static IP in your VPN?
23:37<Student>well my ip is Dynamic , hence the requirement for dynamically set it every time i connect
23:38<TMcTrain>so first you have your eth0 for example which gets a dynamic IP from your ISP?
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23:39<TMcTrain>then you make a connection with pppt over your device eth0 and you get a new device pppt
23:39<Student>well at first NetworkManager Applet sets the network address on my Eth0
23:40<Student>this include finding the DNS etc.
23:40<TMcTrain>then the device pppt should get a dynamic IP from the VPN-Server
23:40<Student>and then i have to establish a VPN connection and at the end of successful authentication i get A new Client Address
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23:41<Student>yes the device pppt get a dynamic Client IP from the VPN-Server
23:41<TMcTrain>does the pppt get a valid adress from the server?
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23:42<Student>yes it get a valid address from the server and after getting it , i need to set this address to route as a default address for internet traffic
23:42<TMcTrain>@colin: does the cd-drive apear in the bios settings?
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23:43<TMcTrain>so and thats the point i thougt of should be handled by pppt :-)
23:44<colin_>yes and it also boots the installer from cd-rom
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23:44<colin_>but it fails the step: "Detect and mount cd-rom"
23:45<Student>pppt will not handle this on its own as i am not using any Client for that
23:45<TMcTrain>thats strange! sorry no suggestion there
23:45<Student>i have to manually do it or configure /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/route-traffic
23:45<TMcTrain>have you tried add pppt to your network manager?
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23:47<colin_>wow 308 users in the room but not 1 that can help me actually install the OS
23:47<TMcTrain>net install cd?
23:47<TMcTrain>fresh burned?
23:47<colin_>yes it's a fresh cd
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23:47<TMcTrain>how old is the PC
23:47<TMcTrain>how old is the Drive?
23:48<colin_>the drive shows up in the bios, machine+drive are +- 5 yrs
23:48<colin_>the installers boots from cd
23:48<Student>umm well tmcTrain there are lot can be done :)
23:49<colin_>and i also tried the other drive in the pc which is a cd/dvd drive but that also fails
23:49<Student>or there is lot that can be done
23:49<TMcTrain>other IDE channel?
23:49<colin_>already tried that
23:49<Student>colin_: some days back i get similar type of problem when my "CD is Fine"
23:50<Student>what i found out in this situation is that my CD is not booting PRoperly and my CD Rom Drive is fine
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23:50<colin_>but my cd IS booting
23:50<Student>your cd is booting well :)
23:51<Student>you are installing Debian 4 r 4a?
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23:51<Student>your pc configuration?
23:51<colin_>i have the same problem with etch-and-halve
23:51<cTATUK>Hmm.. how can I find out what's using all my memory? For some reason results from `htop` (and `gnome-system-monitor`) are inconsistent with `free`..
23:51<Student>dell,hp? intel, amd?
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23:52<colin_>HP/Compaq W6000 - Dual Pentium Xeon 1.7Ghz
23:52<cTATUK>`free -m` says 924/1012 used ..
23:52<cTATUK>but `htop` says 439/1012 used ...
23:54<Student>colin_: the summry is , you can detect your CD rom drive in the bios but when booting from the cd the installer says "No commond CD Rom Drive Detected" <--- i.e. installer is not detecting any cd rom attached to your computer?
23:55<colin_>but it can boot itself from the same cd-rom that its not detecting.....
23:56<Student>colin_: is it a DVD Drive?
23:56<colin_>no it's not but i also tried the other drive in the machine which IS a DVD drive, but that also fails to detect
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23:57<Student>may be your cd is not burnt properly
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23:57<Student>can you try burn the image on really SLOW PACE like 4X and try again?
23:57<colin_>Student: all of the 4 discs i tried? i don't think so
23:57<cTATUK>..and if I run `top` and press `M` to sort by memory.. nothing is using > 2% memory. all but one are <1%. so there's no way it totals 900/1,000 MB.. so i don't know how i can _see_ what's using my mem :(
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23:58<TMcTrain>try burning CD less than 4x speed
23:58<Student>all the 4 Discs are CD 1 of debian 4 r 4a?
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23:58<colin_>no the 4th is the -e distro
23:59<TMcTrain>@cTATUK: top an others doesn't calculate the cached files
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23:59<Student>and remaining 3 are the CD 1 of debian 4 r4a , you personally downloaded from the network and personally burnt the image to make them bootable?
23:59<cTATUK>TMcTrain: well where can i see what's cached?
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