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00:00<cTATUK>free reports only 290MB is cached
00:00<cTATUK>195 is buffer
00:00<colin_>Student: correct
00:00<cTATUK>290+195 != 900
00:00<TMcTrain>linux stores some data of accessed files to get better read results on the second use
00:00<cTATUK>well something is seriously wrong!
00:00<Student>colin_: what untility you are using to burn the downloaded image on to Cd?
00:00<TMcTrain>this space is freed when the system needs this other wise
00:00<cTATUK>i have constant 90% memory usage. i don't know where it's at. and it's causing lagg
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00:01<Student>untility = utility
00:01<TMcTrain>top lists this space as cached the graphical versions ignores this space so that you see mor free space in X-Utils
00:01<colin_>Nero Burning Rom
00:02<Student>colin_: and OS?
00:02<Student>OS = operating System
00:02<colin_>Win XP
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00:02<TMcTrain>is this mem value direkt after reboot?
00:02<Student>colin_:did you tried using a different utility to burn the CD?
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00:03<colin_>no i did not, i don't want to use any more cd-roms, i mean 4cd's for 1 OS is more then enough
00:04<Student>you always use Nero Burning Rom to burn your debian images?
00:05<colin_>yes and they always work just fine on all my machines
00:05<TMcTrain>cTATUK: which mem use do you have after an reboot?
00:06<Student>colin_: and you also tried by downloading twice the 650 MB Debian 4 R 4a ?
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00:06<colin_>no i downloaded it 3 times even
00:07<colin_>from 3 different mirrors
00:08<TMcTrain>@dondelelcaro and Co: thanks for your Help! the modules are working fine on the precompiled Kernel! So, for the future I need to find out why the hell this doesn't work on a self compiled one!
00:08<cTATUK>TMcTrain: I'm pretty sure normal? <50%
00:08<cTATUK>i will probably restart soon and tell you
00:08<cTATUK>but this is a server so i'm reluctant
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00:09<TMcTrain>server means mail, file, web, ??? server?
00:10<colin_>if its a server you need to reboot it often, you wouldn't want your users to become attached to a server would you? :P
00:11<TMcTrain>Imagine the face of the users when the databasserver is shutting down at 10am for maintenance! :-)
00:13<colin_>i actually do that very often during work hours ;) and then unplug my phone..... Oh the sweat smell of chaos
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00:13<TMcTrain>same here! ;-)
00:13<wb>hellow who can tell me how to use vpn ?thanks a lot.keep online wait
00:16<colin_>wb: have you tried
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00:19<wb>colin thank you i will try it and if i can't done it i well ask you
00:19<colin_>np ;)
00:19<wb>can you give me a emil for connect you
00:19<wb> It is mine
00:20<colin_>;) lol
00:22<wb>:) where are you?colin
00:22<colin_>i'm in The Netherlands
00:23<wb>oh it's too faraway can you guess where is me
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00:25<henkmetselaar>colin_: have you tried and succeeded watching the NOS journaal on uitzendiggemist?
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00:26<colin_>no i have not, why? am I in it?
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00:26<henkmetselaar>nope, but it is dutch :P and it doesn't work for me. Sorry to target the q
00:27<wb>Yes but i am not bei jing I am in GuangDong`do you know it?
00:27<colin_>no i do not, but i do now it must be in Asia, right?
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00:28<wb>yes i am in Asia
00:29<wb>now Asia time is 12:28AM
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00:29<wb>wait i will online latter
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00:29<colin_>it's 6:29 AM over here
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00:30<colin_>henkmetselaar: NOS Journaal works fine here (NOS Journaal = a dutch News program)
00:31<henkmetselaar>I Dl'ed the mplayer plug-in, but still get no success. Tried totem, vlc, (g)xine
00:31<henkmetselaar>maybe should try again
00:32<colin_>try a Flash plug-in ;)
00:33<henkmetselaar>it's the wmv stream that trips them up
00:33<colin_>ah ok
00:33<colin_>btw: are you STILL up, or just up early?
00:34<henkmetselaar>I left the country ... it's 12.34 lunchtime here
00:34<colin_>where you at?
00:34<henkmetselaar>that's why I want the news online
00:34<henkmetselaar>Kuala Lumpur
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00:37<colin_>ah i assumed is was a Flash video stream, but it's not
00:38<henkmetselaar>nope, videocodec MS WMV 9 (win32) kan niet verwerkt worden
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01:21<cTATUK>Do all backports packages have 'bpo' in their version string?
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02:24<TMcTrain>hello again
02:24<TMcTrain>has someone an idear how to fix an countinous error reported by syslog:
02:24<TMcTrain> EIP is at journal_invalidatepage
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02:39<yang>I have the followng rescue system setup - , I would like to mount (boot fs) and execute set-grub-default to different value for my system to boot up, but i cannot chroot into (boot fs) only to (root fs) it doesnt have /bin/bash...
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02:43<jm_>yeah chroot into that and mount /boot in it
02:44<yang>I am unable to mount boot afterwards it shows different fs - I edited /boot/grub/default entry by hand
02:45<jm_>what shows different fs?
02:46<yang>If my kernel is on the section 4 (starting with 0), then grub-set-default 4 should be proper value or not ?
02:46<yang>once I chroot to (root fs) then I am unable to mount the boot fs inside
02:47<jm_>why are you unable to mount /boot?
02:47<yang>becouse I don't see it any longer by the rescue system
02:47<jm_>you mean you don't see /dev/foo?
02:49<yang>from here you can see that /mnt/disk1 is (boot) and /mnt/disk2 is (root) , If I chroot /mnt/disk2 ... then I don't see /mnt/disk1 anymore
02:50<jm_><jm_> yeah chroot into that and mount /boot in it
02:50<yang>I will try
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02:51<jm_>umount /mnt/disk1 ; chroot /mnt/disk2 ... mount /dev/foo /boot
02:51<jm_>the last command has to be executed *in* chroot
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02:51<yang> /dev/foo , I don't know which /dev then belongs to boot fs
02:52<jm_>uhm it's the same
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02:55<tzafrir_laptop>yang, things can become a bit simpler using busybox-static as a /bin/sh
02:56<tzafrir_laptop>It is static, and hence does not force you to carry bits of /lib with it
02:57<tzafrir_laptop>etch has busybox 1.10, which is quite nice. Even has a rather usable vi
02:57<tzafrir_laptop>and ash
02:57<yang>well it worked, thanks jm_
02:58<yang>tzafrir_laptop: its sort of an ubuntu recovery system
02:58<tzafrir_laptop>err.. lenny has 1.10 . etch has an older one. I think it has a vi, though
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02:59<Zoup>i know with $time <command> i can see cpu usage of process , how can see memory usage of process in a 'time style' way ?
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03:00<yang>However it seems like grub-set-default won't boot that kernel entry, or it becomes unbootable
03:00<jm_>Zoup: with ps
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03:02<sheldonh>i am very lazy. is there a command-line tool that will show me the changelog entry associated with an upgrade offered by apt?
03:02<Zoup>jm_: imagine this script " #!/bin/sh ; exit " , i know this is very stupid script but it is a good example , i wont have the time to use ps
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03:05<jm_>sheldonh: yeah, apt-listchanges
03:06<sheldonh>jm_: isn't that only useful when i go ahead with the upgrade?
03:07<yang>this is my menu.lst file and If I set grub-set-default 4 it won't boot the 2.6.26-1-vserver-686 ?
03:07<jm_>sheldonh: aptitude also has changelog command
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03:08<sheldonh>jm_: aha! that's it
03:09<sheldonh>jm_: does it work for you? i've tried three packages from the output of aptitude dist-upgrade, and got "Couldn't find a changelog for ..." for all of them
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03:09<tzafrir_laptop>yang, won't boot? what error?
03:10<yang>tzafrir_laptop: I cant see the error....but the machine doesn't come up
03:10<jm_>sheldonh: yes
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03:10<jm_>Zoup: hmm not sure if there's a similar tool for that (it's not as easy to get the info)
03:11<yang>tzafrir_laptop: so I am not sure if its a weird kernel or my configuration
03:11*tzafrir_laptop recommends lilo, where such errors are aparnt at compile time rather than run time :-(
03:11<tzafrir_laptop>any way to do that with grub?
03:12<jm_>do what?
03:12<tzafrir_laptop>verify that files indeed exist
03:13<tzafrir_laptop>yang, what is the output of: ls / /boot
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03:13<wb>the vpn dosn't work with my computer who can help me ?
03:14<tzafrir_laptop>you, by telling us what did actually happen
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03:14<tzafrir_laptop>what vpn, what versions, what do you see in the logs? did it work before?
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03:15<wb>it always dosn't work i want know how to do it can be work
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03:16<tzafrir_laptop>yang, there's vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old in both / and /boot . is /boot indeed the first partition? fdisk -l /dev/that_disk
03:17<yang>its the first
03:17<tzafrir_laptop>wb, you keep telling us non-facts. Please stick to facts
03:17<tzafrir_laptop>Please tell us what does happen
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03:18<tzafrir_laptop>e.g.: what version of debian, what vpn software,
03:18<yang>these are the entries listed in /
03:18<yang>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 8. Sep 13:07 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-vserver-686
03:18<tzafrir_laptop>please don't assume we have telepathy abilities
03:18<yang>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 29. Aug 13:08 vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686
03:19<tzafrir_laptop>yang, so the system can't boot from /
03:20<yang>these entries are generated by update-grub
03:20<tzafrir_laptop> /boot is on a separate filesystem, right?
03:21<tzafrir_laptop>it boots properly older kernels?
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03:26<sheldonh>tzafrir_laptop: heya :)
03:27<sheldonh>jm_: is it because i'm black?
03:27<jm_>sheldonh: I'm using lenny btw
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03:42<yang>hi ao2
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03:48<TMcTrain>f**** Linux!
03:48<tzafrir_laptop>TMcTrain, it's GNU/Linux
03:49<TMcTrain>not really
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03:50<tzafrir_laptop>Feline Linux?
03:50<tzafrir_laptop>Err.. Feline GNU/Linux
03:50<TMcTrain>I installed a new System on MB+HDD+IO-Card updated my programm and everyting worked fine! Until we copied the hdd vor a second system with same Hardware, in this copy nothing works any more.
03:51<henkmetselaar>lol tzafrir_laptop
03:51<tzafrir_laptop>TMcTrain, ok, what does happen? fails on boot?
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03:52<TMcTrain>1: Hardware 1 -> installed on HDD 1
03:52<TMcTrain>2: copy HDD1 to HDD"
03:52<TMcTrain>3. Hardware 1 + HDD copy works fine
03:53<TMcTrain>4 Hardware 2 + HDD1 doesn't workproperly
03:53<TMcTrain>4 Hardware 2 + HDD2 doesn't eiter
03:53<ao2>hi yang, the Internet is a small place :)
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03:54<TMcTrain>the only difference is the MAC Adress, but this Problem can be fixed
03:54<TMcTrain>now I've stupid Kernel Failures on Hardware 2
03:54<tzafrir_laptop>TMcTrain, what error do you see?
03:54<tzafrir_laptop>What version of Debian is it? What kernel?
03:54<tzafrir_laptop>please provide details
03:55<tzafrir_laptop>As a rule, please tell what does happen and not what doesn't happen
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03:57<TMcTrain>Debian 4.0r4 net install 2.6.18-6-486 - the amount of system failures seemd to increase -
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03:59<TMcTrain>I thougt of HDD failure (2 Times?) or maybe incompatibility of the similar Mainboards so I took Hardware 2 with clean fresh HDD3 net 4.0r4 netinstall CD and now I'm not able to install without failures
04:00<TMcTrain>I ment new 4.0r4 net install cd
04:01<jm_>that's a kernel panic
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04:02<TMcTrain>what could cause such a kernel panik? first I thougt of my selfmade modules, wich I compiled on an other system, but not even clean fresh modules compiled with sources on HDD2 doesn't work anymore
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04:05<TMcTrain>and just now, after 5min into a fresh installation on HDD3 the system againg got a kernel uups!
04:05<jm_>first you need to find the start of it then google if it's a known problem
04:06<TMcTrain>everythime the cause seemed to be a different script or programm! is a selfmade script
04:06<TMcTrain>onece bevor the uups happend while depmod -a
04:07<TMcTrain>therfore 5 depmod -a haven't done anyting worse
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04:08<TMcTrain>are there any known problems with 4.0r4 ?
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04:14<xbj9000>why can't I make xfce-mcs-manager run from a .sh script?
04:14<xbj9000>the other commands in it work
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04:34<mick_laptop>hi - does anyone know if there is a mactel channel?
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05:11<thijs>how to set your wins server on debian
05:11<dpkg>i guess wins is the Windows Internet Naming Service
05:11<thijs>!wins setup
05:13<trueno>Hi! I am getting a "pcmcia: the driver needs updating to supported shared IRQ lines." message, but everything is working ok, how can I update the driver?
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05:15<tzafrir_laptop>thijs, samba?
05:15<tzafrir_laptop>Though I guess you figured that one out by now
05:15<tzafrir_laptop>TMcTrain, what other kernel modules do you use?
05:16<thijs>samba = file sharing
05:16<tzafrir_laptop>TMcTrain, Also try the etchandahalf (2.4.24) kernel
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05:18<variable>what to do that when i turn volume to 100% up there is some noise in speakers
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05:20<jm_>buy a better sound card
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05:22<variable>;] but it's good
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05:24<tzafrir_laptop>thijs, samba == lots of things. Including wins
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05:53<panhack>my site is
05:53<petemc>you were told not to do that
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06:22<karth>hi, iam unable to connect to wireless, in debian security key format is in asii or in hexadecimal but my key format is wap psk
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06:23<karth>hi, iam unable to connect to wireless, in debian security key format is in asii or in hexadecimal but my key format is wap psk
06:24<tralala>karth, install wpasupplicant, read the docs and see the examples
06:24<karth>i hav installed but iam not getting
06:25<tralala>karth, see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/
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06:30<karth>trakala what should i do next
06:31<buffoon_work>karth, configure wpa_supplicant
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06:35<tiga> Hello, when release date debian lenny? September or later ?
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06:36<jm_>tiga: definitely later
06:37<karth>buffoon_work i have configured the wpa_supplicant
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06:38<buffoon_work>then you should give us some more details... try iwconfig and look if theres an associated access point, if the strength of the signal is enough, what options you passed to wpa_supplicant
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06:39<tiga>Jm_ =( thank you
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06:41<karth>buffoon_work, in accces point it is showing not associated
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06:41<karth>buffoon_work, in accces point it is showing not associated
06:41<buffoon_work>so there seems to be a problem...
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06:41<buffoon_work>try iwconfig wlan0 ap any
06:41<buffoon_work>replacy wlan0 with your wlan device
06:41<buffoon_work>may be different
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06:45<karth>buffoon_work, i have tried but no change
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06:45*egns saluda a todo dios
06:45<buffoon_work>hmm, don't remember exactly, but does wpa encryption be succesfull to associate to an ap?
06:46<buffoon_work>what strongness of the signal do you have when doing iwlist wlan0 scanning?
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06:47<karth>buffoon_work, no signal it is 0
06:47<buffoon_work>i guess there's your problem
06:47<buffoon_work>should be at least 40
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06:47<buffoon_work>or 50
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06:48<buffoon_work>to get a reasonable connection... maybe you should go near to the ap to test it
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06:50<karth>buffoon_work, iam getting wireless in ubuntu but not in debian
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06:50<buffoon_work>maybe you have some troubles with the drivers...
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06:50<buffoon_work>load the firmware for example
06:51<karth>how can i check that
06:51<buffoon_work>what chipset is it?
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06:51<buffoon_work>did you install the firmware?
06:52<buffoon_work>then add contrib and non-free to your sources.list and search for the firmware of your driver
06:52<buffoon_work>otherwise you'll not able to set up wireless
06:52<buffoon_work>ubuntu did that for you i guess...
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06:54<karth>buffoon_work, i have done it
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06:54<buffoon_work>then try unloading and loading the driver module and try again
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07:00<meandtheshell1>ok, I am using "at now+1minutes" and then I for example enter "echo blabla" followed by Ctrl+D. I am not getting the echo to stdout. How can I do that? Redirecting output to stdout does not seem to work ...
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07:02<buffoon_work>meandtheshell1, i'm almost sure that stdout is not your terminal window when using at
07:03<meandtheshell1>yeah, well, man file tells DISPLAY gets inherited so ... hm ...
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07:04<meandtheshell1>sigh ... I already did this a year or so ago but then ... humans tend to forget ;)
07:05<jm_>meandtheshell1: check your mail
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07:08<tzafrir_laptop>meandtheshell1, it is run from atd. you need some magic to pass it you current terminal
07:08<jm_>from the man page: The user will be mailed standard error and standard output from his commands, if any.
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07:09<tzafrir_laptop>e.g.: make it a script that accept the output file descriptor as a parameter, and run: my_script `tty` | at whenever
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07:11<meandtheshell1>jm_: ah nice ... a rtfm ... if you read up, I wanted to redirect to my terminal session ...
07:11<meandtheshell1>tzafrir_laptop: thank you, that was it
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07:41<m4steR>when kde 4 on lenny?
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07:56<jm_>m4steR: lenny will not come with kde4, but you can find it in unofficial repositories AFAIK
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07:59<markwilson>Hi, I've been using slax for a while now, but I was wondering if theres anything similar (modular) based on debian instead of slackware?
08:00<jm_>modular how?
08:01<markwilson>like in slax where a single file is added to a directory on the boot device
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08:01<markwilson>and the software module added automatically works
08:01<jm_>what's the point? simply install debian and any packages you want
08:01<jm_>or am I missing something?
08:02<markwilson>it's for a linux newbie who wouldn't be able to understand much about installing stuff, so i can give them a usb pen with a live boot on and they can add what modules they need
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08:06<jm_>i don't think either debian live or grml have such a feature
08:07<markwilson>ok, thank you for your help :)
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08:07<jm_>you can build it with custom package, but I am not sure about adding it to a running system
08:08<jm_>ohh crap
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08:59<jm_>yeah, option user
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08:59<jm_>hmm I can't find either of those two in gspca list
08:59<babba>variable: you are surely doomed?
08:59<variable>why, what?
08:59<babba>variable : creative webcams seem the least linux-compatible of the bunch. logitech the most.
09:00<variable>damn ;/ i have to webcams which doesn't work on linux ;/
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09:01<babba>variable : (some may be less compatible in etch)
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09:09<babba>jm_ : how do I run the debug option in modprobe? modprobe -v just gives insmod lines that it carries out.
09:10<jm_>babba: mdprobe module debug=foo; # modinfo might reveal more
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09:12<jm_>babba: yeah I can see it, debug=5 to get max
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09:13<jm_>babba: the ID for your card is not in its list though
09:13<jm_>uhm, webcam, not card
09:13<variable>babba, you know, i am realy doomed ;/
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09:14<babba>jm_: yup, I think it's a regional variation. I'm slightly screwed. Variable is totally doomed I reckon.
09:14<variable>how about mobiles phone?
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09:16<stephen_>Hi guys.. does anyone know a tool other than netcat to ping out on a specific interface?
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09:20<dpkg>pong is, like, the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game
09:20<babba>jm_ : argh. OK, I have no debug symbols in videodev or gspca. How do I do that (the normal build command was m-a a-i gspca)
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09:22<babba>stephen_ : fping, tcpping, sing. (using apt-cache search ping | grep ping and eyeballing)
09:22<stephen_>babba thank you
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09:23<jm_>babba: it has debug info still
09:24<path>how come pine isnt available for amd64 ?
09:24<path>what a shame
09:24<babba>path: alpine?
09:24<jm_>path: it's available as a source package
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09:25<babba>jm_ : a hint on how to access it please. modprobe videodev debug=5 gives FATAL: Error inserting videodev (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/video/videodev.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg), dmesg gives: videodev: Unknown parameter `debug
09:26<path>yep jm_ I'm in it
09:26<path>babba haven't tried alpine :-)
09:26*babba sees a possible mistake in what he's done with modprobe...
09:26<jm_>babba: actually you are right, it needs to be built with GSPCA_ENABLE_DEBUG - check if that's true for Debian
09:27<jm_>babba: not videodev, this is for gspca module
09:29<babba>jm_ : my understanding was gspca needs videodev. So I was insmodding (well, modprobing) it first. Especially since dev/video doesn't turn up. But is that the dev/video is created by gspca?
09:30<jm_>babba: debug parameter is for gspac module, sorry I have to run now - I'll try to remember and test this at home with debug to compare tomorrow
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09:31<babba>modprobe gspca debug=5 gave a blank ;-/
09:31<babba>jm_ : okeydokey
09:31<path>any evolution developer ?
09:31<path>can't click on forward right after installation
09:32<path>why would it seem disabled? :/
09:33<path>found it never mind :-)
09:33<path>** (evolution:15822): WARNING **: couldn't communicate with gnome keyring daemon via dbus: The name org.gnome.keyring was not provided by any .service files
09:38<variable>what is that tty?
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09:46<Kebianizao|work>does anyone knows how to proceed with mirror selection in the installer when behind an M$ proxy?
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09:48<buffoon_work>Kebianizao|work, is it a proxy with authentication?
09:49<Kebianizao|work>buffoon_work: yes
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09:50<Kebianizao|work>I've gotten wget to work in a console with export http_proxy="http://SERVER\\user:pass@proxy:8080"
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09:50<Kebianizao|work>but I can't get the installer to work :S
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09:51<buffoon_work>i remember that i used ntlmaps when i was behind a isa proxy
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09:51<buffoon_work>because i always got trouble with the authentication... but if you've done it with wget there should be a possibility to get it working with apt-get
09:52<buffoon_work>and i'm sorry, but i don't know setting up the debian-installer with proxy auth... never needed that
09:52<Kebianizao|work>buffoon_work: problem is that I'm in a so early installation stage that I can't even install ntlmaps
09:53<buffoon_work>can't you go on without a network mirror and set up the proxy stuff later?
09:53<Kebianizao|work>I'm currently stalled at the mirror selection stage, wher it looks for the nirror Release file
09:54<Kebianizao|work>buffoon_work: problem is that only bootloader available is lil, that fails to boot debiab :S
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09:55<buffoon_work>in case, you could set up ntlmaps on another debian machine and give that machine as proxy...
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09:58<Kebianizao|work>unfortunately this machine runs evil OS, so I'm afraid I can't that easy
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10:00<Kebianizao|work>my best options are right now either get the right way to set the proxy or installed a fuller debian version, (CD instead of netinst)
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10:03<buffoon_work>yep, that seems to be a solution...
10:04<buffoon_work>maybe you have an old machine (if there are more systems on this network that need debian) that you can use as an apt-proxy and then use that machine as mirror...
10:04<buffoon_work>you wouldn't have to use a proxy for apt then...
10:04<buffoon_work>just for the apt-proxy one...
10:05<Lethalman>helmut, there?
10:05<Kebianizao|work>we have one debian archive proxy, but the mirror doesn't have the amd64 repo I need
10:06<variable>nice i found how to connect my pc with nokia n70 ;] but where can i get that obextool? I couldn't find it.
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10:09<Harrison>Hello, I'm trying to compile Virtualbox from source on PowerPC but I'm getting some error output---could anyone offer me some help?
10:10<Kebianizao|work>Harrison: you sure PPC is suppoerted for vbox?
10:10<Kebianizao|work>Harrison: if so, I suggest you the #vbox channel on freenode
10:10<Harrison>No, there aren't virtualbox binaries available for PPC---that's why I'm compiling it from source.
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10:12<JRHartley>variable: sourceforge and freshmeat have it. and there is a package available on That Bastard Distro That Can Never Be Mentioned
10:12<erKURITA>That one?
10:13<JRHartley>a clue. it rhymes with n00bunt2
10:14<erKURITA>yeah yeah
10:14<Harrison>Virtualbox PPC?
10:14<erKURITA>the one that means "I can't install Debian, for goodness sake"
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10:15<amphi>sshh, the Shuttled One might hear you
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10:19<snama>how is it today?
10:19<Kebianizao|work>heh, I think I got it buffoon_work
10:19<Kebianizao|work>it was about the \ escape
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10:20<Kebianizao|work>buffoon_work: http://SERVER\\user:pass@proxy:8080
10:20<Kebianizao|work>I'm going to write that right now in the wiki
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10:20<Kebianizao|work>leaving, bye
10:20<buffoon_work>good idea
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10:27<tonhe>Whats the difference between the two netinstall iso's on the 4.0_r4a release ?
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10:27<tonhe>one is labeld as etchnhalf one isnt.
10:28<tonhe>the one that isnt is like 19M larger
10:28<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also, or <etchnhalf facts>
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10:29<tonhe>ok, why in the world are they in the same directory if one is actually a seperate release ?
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10:29<petemc>they're clearly labeled - whats your problem?
10:30<tonhe>i wouldn't call that clearly labeled since they're both labeled as 4.0_r4a
10:31<petemc>you must have very little to complain about
10:32<tonhe>not really -- just curious
10:32<tonhe>seems strange
10:32<petemc>its an updated installer, not a new release
10:32<tonhe>that makes a little bit more sense
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10:33<tonhe>I must say, what I've seen with debian I've liked. Been using slackware since, oh god, pre 1.0
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10:37<rjent>where are background images located?
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10:38*sheldonh resists the urge to say "in the background"
10:38<dpkg>rumour has it, sourceforge is an insecure site, sponsored by VA Linux, they will give your project free webspace, cvs, email, ftp, bug tracking and much more. Many projects are moving there, because it's a nice and easy way to get everything in one free package, and makes starting projects much simpler, so you can focus on the project, not the administration of it. It doesn't work if you've signed up recently! Grr!, or ...
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10:42<JRHartley>variable: don't believe everything the bot says. my project is on sourceforge, so it must be a good place :)
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10:43<variable>JRHartley, what kind of project you have?
10:44<JRHartley>variable: it's an open-source gpl2 software program that is fully debian-compliant (are you listening mr murdock ?:))
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10:48<debian1>I am trying to install eclipse-cdt with toolchain on debian Etch but am not finding a valid pkg. I have tried setting up synaptic following the instructions on, but this is not working for me. Suggestions?
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10:53<jackyf>debhelper: set up debian lenny repos in /etc/apt/sources.list and install eclipse-cdt by package manager
10:53<jackyf>debian1: ^^^
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11:01<cancan>any body here?
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11:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:03<cancan>are you robot?
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11:10<acu>Hey guys how can I suggest something to the Desktop Team - I want to propose three things: 1) to add VLC as default video and audio player - 2) to add SMB as a default - 3 to add kde-guidance as a default
11:11<acu>Of course I have reality based reasons for the proposal
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11:20<chealer>acu: for 1 you'd first need to have vlc installed by default. for 2 you'd need to precise what you mean. for 3 file a wishlist report on tasksel-data.
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11:22<acu>chealer: for smb - it almost imposible to have a network without windows machines - and smb makes sense to be install in a linux box - so the exchange of files is easy
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11:23<chealer>acu: SMB is a protocol, not software
11:24<acu>I guessed that when people choose Desktop on their install - smb could be enabled - and maybe have some GUI for it GSambaD
11:26<chealer>acu: SMB is a protocol. you can't "enable" a protocol.
11:26<acu>OK install it
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11:27<snama>ok folks
11:27<snama>what are you running? etch? lenny?
11:28<acu>I still have learn to use tasksel-data to send sugestions or wishes
11:28<acu>snama: just ask your question
11:28<snama>that was a question
11:28<acu>have a precise question which needs a solution
11:28<snama>ok ok
11:29<snama>i have none
11:29<chealer>acu: you can't "install" a protocol neither
11:29<acu>snama: lol
11:30<acu>chealer: whatever it is - smb for a desktop is universally useful this days :)
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11:48<debian1>jackyf: this is what I have in the /etc/apt/sources.list: deb lenny main
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11:50<debian1>When I refresh, synaptic does not display any packages. If I try and search for eclipse-cdt synaptic disappears. When I restart it states the the repository is invalid.
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11:53<jackyf>did you run 'update'
11:53<jackyf>what's the output of 'apt-cache policy eclipse-cdt' ?
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11:57<glazzies>hello. i have a usb headset. i'm trying to figure out the /dev/XXX name for it. i looked at lsusb and all i saw was "/class/input/input5".
11:57<cahoot>glazzies: look in /dev/snd
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11:58<cahoot>glazzies: but - why?
11:58<glazzies>i'm trying to get the headset working in vmware so i need to specify the adaptor prior to boot. right now it's using my soundcard for output.
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11:59<glazzies>make sense?
11:59<cahoot>glazzies: possibly - I've no idea what vmware expects
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12:00<glazzies>so, there are 18 items in /dev/snd
12:01<cahoot>glazzies: alsa isn't really accessed via /dev entries
12:01<glazzies>so right not vmware is setup to use /dev/dsp. i have to manually change that and enter the right sound adaptor for the usb headset
12:01<debian1>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
12:01<debian1>E: Error occurred while processing python-twisted-runner (NewVersion1)
12:01<debian1>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
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12:03<amphi>!dynamic mmap
12:03<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
12:05<debian1>I thought that I had, this is all that is in it:
12:05<debian1>deb etch main
12:05<debian1>deb etch/updates main
12:05<debian1>deb etch main contrib non-free
12:05<debian1>deb lenny main
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12:14<glazzies>ok. how would i go about finding out which sound device my usb headset uses?
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12:17<cahoot>glazzies: you *could* make it default to simplify matters
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12:19<koollman>Hi, I'm trying to migrate a website from an old server to a shiny new server with a debian stable. But it seems I can't find the package containing 'XML/Tree.php', which should be a part of php-pear
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12:19<glazzies>cahoot: i'd rather not
12:19<koollman>(and it existed on sarge, of course :/ )
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12:19<cahoot>glazzies: else /proc/asound/cards tells you its card#
12:21<koollman>and, I can't find a place where it would be packaged, either.
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12:22<cahoot> cat /proc/asound/cards
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12:33<glazzies>that still doesn't tell me which device my headset uses
12:33<yos87>talking to whom?
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12:34<glazzies>anyone that can answer me
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12:35<glazzies>just trying to find out which device my usb headset uses
12:36<themill>glazzies: how many cards do you have in "cat /proc/asound/cards"?
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12:36<glazzies>about 11
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12:36<glazzies>wait 2
12:36<glazzies>my sound card and my headset
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12:41<themill>glazzies: problem solved then :)
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12:43<koollman>hmm ... well, I can answer my own question, finally. 'pear install XML_tree'. that's not inside a package
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12:44<glazzies>themill: what?
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12:45<themill>The device is listed in that output. It's a choice of two. What more do you want?
12:46<glazzies>not sure what i need. i'm setting up vmware to use the headset. it requires a device to configure the sound right.
12:46<themill>glazzies: ahh... you'll have to check the vmware docs to work out how the device is specified.
12:47<fantasticmrfox>Lo, I've got a postfix + courier-imap + thunderbird set up... I'm subscribed to alot of mailing lists ... can I have these filtered into folders -server side- instead of thunderbird side some how?
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12:48<themill>glazzies: doesn't vmware give you a nice clicky interface to attach the device to the virtual machine?
12:49<glazzies>there are about 20 devices listed after autodetect. picking through them, but nothing has worked so far
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12:53<glazzies>nm. turns out that was just the auto-complete feature. yeah. i need to know the actual location of the device
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13:09<Cadavre>Hi: anyone had ever SSE extensions problems with nvidia graphic driver with an old cpu?
13:09<Cadavre>is there a way to solve this?
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13:10<JRHartley>Cadavre: no way to solve. if you don't have sse/sse2 whatever, you are screwed
13:11<Cadavre>why then the old etch driver works...
13:11<Cadavre>and not the new
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13:11<Cadavre>that's shit: i hears their was a way to emule chipset by flashing rom
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13:18<variable>is rar format suported by tar?
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13:21<Cadavre>but is by rar
13:21<dpkg>unrar is, like, a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
13:21<Cadavre>just add non-free in your sources list if your under debian
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13:25<PurpleWolf>hi all
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13:29<variable>i installed unrar-free but it failed when i tried to unrar that file ;
13:30<themill>variable: that's why I suggested the non-free version
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13:35<variable>tell me more about non-free where sould i write that in source.list?
13:35<variable>i have etch
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13:36<themill>!non-free sources
13:36<dpkg>it has been said that non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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13:38<moldep_>how can i switch between two different audio devices
13:38<moldep_>they both show up in kmix
13:38<moldep_>but changeing to the other one does not change anything
13:38<moldep_>or do i have to restart the sound system?
13:39<moldep_>is anyone up?
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13:40<cahoot>switch in what context?
13:41<moldep_>my sound comes from my speakers now. i want it to come from my headset
13:41<cahoot>headset being its own device as alsa sees it?
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13:42<ummmd>how to make ifplugd modify ifstate when cable unplugged?
13:43<cahoot>moldep_: headset being card1?
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13:43<cahoot>moldep_: cat /proc/asound/cards
13:44<variable>themill, aptitude gives me unrar-free not unrar
13:44<bugaloo>lucky me... are you guys talking about sound cards? :)
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13:44<moldep_>cahoot: um, yeah. it says default next to it... that's wierd
13:44<cahoot>moldep_: cat /proc/asound/cards - one or two cards listed?
13:45<bugaloo>I have sound on headphones, but not in my laptop speakers... any idea?
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13:45<cahoot>which two? moldep_
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13:45<moldep_>which? you mean brand names?
13:46<cahoot>card0 or card1 corresponds to the headset?
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13:46<moldep_>it doesn't say "card1" but it has a 1 next to it
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13:47<cahoot>moldep_: so you'll have to tell your apps to direct output to alsa card1 i e hw:1
13:47<cahoot>(for headset)
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13:48<moldep_>so i cant do it on a system-wide level?
13:49<cahoot>you *could* make the headset default
13:49<moldep_>is that complicated?
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13:52<moldep_>asoundconf set-default-card <what parameter do i enter here?> is it part of the output from cat /proc/asound/cards or is it just 0 or 1
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13:53<cahoot>asoundconf -list
13:53<cahoot>asoundconf list
13:53<moldep_>asoundconf list
13:53<moldep_>Names of available sound cards:
13:53<moldep_>no output
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13:54<cahoot>aplay -l
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13:56<moldep_>ok. what am i looking at here?
13:57<cahoot>the names of your sounddevices
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13:58<moldep_>card 1: default [C-Media USB Headphone Set ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
13:58<brent_>Hi, is someone else having problems with there sound card? i am..
13:59<moldep_>asoundconf set-default-card "C-Media USB Headphone Set" ?
13:59<cahoot>seems it's already set as default
13:59<moldep_>yeah. but sound comes from my speakers...
14:00<chealer>brent_: just ask your question
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14:01<cahoot>moldep_: got mplayer installed?
14:02<cahoot>moldep_: try mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0 <some sound file>
14:02<cahoot>moldep_: then mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=1 <some sound file>
14:03<brent_>ok i got for free and Xell computer with win 98 on it I downloaded Debian and loaded it removeing an trace of windows, but it cna't locate my sound card
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14:03<moldep_>cahoot: the second line produces sound through my headset
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14:03<cahoot>as exåected then
14:04<hackeem>come to p2pchat for help position. /server -m -j #morpheus
14:04<hackeem>come to p2pchat for help position. /server -m -j #morpheus
14:04<hackeem>come to p2pchat for help position. /server -m -j #morpheus
14:04<hackeem>come to p2pchat for help position. /server -m -j #morpheus
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14:05<cahoot>moldep_: see if asoundconf set-default-card default does what you want
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14:06<brent_>The sound card is an ESS Technology ES1869f in ISA slot 1 but was not detected in the install
14:06<bugaloo>and what if sound only works on headphones?
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14:06<interbird>WayneSallee: all linux computers ?
14:06<cahoot>bugaloo: speakers unmuted in alsamixer?
14:07<bugaloo>cahoot, no... I already checked it
14:07<bugaloo>I had the same problem on fedora in the same laptop...
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14:07<bugaloo>I solved once, but I lost my HD and the solution
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14:08<bugaloo>I think it was something about the soundcard...
14:08<interbird>bugger... i'm replying to a log :-)
14:08<cahoot>bugaloo: you mean to say speakers are unmuted?
14:08<bugaloo>yes, they are unmuted
14:08<bugaloo>everything on 100%
14:08<cahoot>bugaloo: level is different from mute staus
14:09<bugaloo>well... I checked the alsamixer, the gui tools, everything I found
14:09<bugaloo>no mute check anywhere
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14:10<cahoot>ok just making sure
14:10<bugaloo>no problem
14:10<cahoot>bugaloo: muting headset doesn't help?
14:11<cahoot>bugaloo: hda-intel?
14:11<cahoot>recent kernel/alsaversion?
14:12<bugaloo>I believe so... using lenny repos, kernel 2.6.26
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14:12<cahoot>you believe correctly
14:12<bugaloo>alsa 1.0.16
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14:12<bugaloo>1.0.16-2 actually
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14:15<brent_>I get Error: connot connect to sound daemon. please run 'esd' at a command prmopt. can any one help?
14:15<cahoot>bugaloo: some hda-intel thingies need special module options - see kernel-parameters.txt
14:16<bugaloo>hmmmm... I think it was that what I did before... some parameters on modprobe
14:16<bugaloo>I'll try to find the parameters... thanks cahoot
14:16<cahoot>good luck
14:16<themill>bugaloo: hda intel drivers have improved a lot since etch. If you're still using 2.6.18, consider changing to a newer kernel.
14:17<bugaloo>by the way, cahoot... sorry about asking... are you the channel owner?
14:17<cahoot>haha no
14:17<bugaloo>themill, I'm using 2.6.16 kernel :)
14:17<bugaloo>cahoot, you are very... ahn... dedicated, lol
14:17<brent_>when i use x-term i get: esd-d command not found
14:18<cahoot>themill: typo for 2.6.26 I think
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14:19<themill>I hope!
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14:19<Harrison>Hello, I'm trying to install Java on Debian Lenny. Could someone offer me a bit of help?
14:19<cahoot>alsa version 1.0.16
14:19<bugaloo>Harrison, what is the problem?
14:20<themill>dpkg: tell Harrison about install java
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14:20<Harrison>I'm running Lenny with POWERPC architecture and I've downloaded IBM's Java from their website.
14:21<Harrison>I downloaded it in .rpm format, and used the program "Alien" to convert and install it as a .deb.
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14:21<Harrison>But I'm not quite sure how to set it over the GNJ java which is the default on my system... I've run "update-java-alternatives -l" and I don't see the IBM Java listed.
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14:22<bugaloo>Harrison, what you want is the java plugin for the browser?
14:22<Harrison>The only thing that command ("update-java-alternatives -l") returns is "java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj"
14:22<Harrison>Not exactly (What does the java plugin do for the browser anyway?) I was want it more for running Azureus.
14:22<themill>Harrison: I doubt that the alien converted package will have any clue about the alternatives system.
14:22<bugaloo>ah ok
14:23<themill>Harrison: does openjdk-6-* exist for your platform? (check
14:23<Harrison>Azureus doesn't run very well on PowerPC with the GNJ java... infact, it's completely un usuable.
14:23<Harrison>One moment... checking . . .
14:23<Nemoder>it doesn't run very well with gnu java on any arch
14:23<bugaloo>yes... you can try that... openjdk-6-jre
14:24<themill>ravenbird: info openjdk-6-jre lenny
14:24<bugaloo>well... I'll reboot to test my sound... brb
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14:24<themill>simonrvn: ravenbird has ppc package lists, doesn't it?
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14:25<themill>ravenbird: hurry up
14:25<ravenbird>no fsck you!
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14:25<Harrison>themill, I see openjdk-6-dbg which is available for PPC, and openjdk-6-demo, and *-doc,
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14:25<themill>lippy bugger
14:25<Harrison>and *-jdk, and *-jre, and *-headers
14:26<ravenbird>openjdk-6-jre: (OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero), section interpreters, is extra. Version: 6b11-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 237 kB, Installed size: 760 kB
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14:26<Harrison>themill, Yeah I think all of its available.
14:26<themill>Harrison: all good then. Try using them. openjdk-6 is supposed to be as good as sun java and will integrate into the alternatives system for you.
14:26<Harrison>Wonderful... I'll give that a shot. You think I can run Azureus with this Java alternative?
14:26<themill>I'd guess so. I'd be surprised if you couldn't.
14:26<simonrvn>themill: ooh
14:27<Harrison>Also, anyone have any tips on uninstalling this IBM java I just installed through Alien?
14:27<themill>simonrvn: ahh!
14:27<simonrvn>dpkg -P it
14:27<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, simonrvn
14:27<simonrvn>dpkg: your CLI counterpart, bugger
14:27<dpkg>simonrvn: are you smoking crack?
14:27<themill>dpkg: shaddup
14:27<dpkg>fine, be that way!
14:28<dpkg>oi, stop that
14:28<Harrison>themill, Wait, which one of these packages do I install? There's lots of them that start with openjdk-6 ... ?
14:28<themill>Harrison: -jre
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14:28<themill>it will pull in whatever else it really needs.
14:29<themill>simonrvn: there's no -plugin package so you're still not completely fixed on ppc for java
14:29<simonrvn>mm ok
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14:29<Harrison>I'm not sure how to use dpkg -P to uninstall software... Would it be enough to just remove the folder where that java was insatlled? (/opt/ibm/java*)
14:29<themill>nfc why.
14:30<Harrison>themill, What's the plugin for?
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14:30<themill>Harrison: dpkg -P nameofpackage (that's the bit of the name of the .deb file up to the first _ character)
14:30<simonrvn>Pudliszkis: mm?
14:30<themill>Harrison: web browser plugin
14:30<Harrison>What's a web browser plugin do?
14:31<simonrvn>great, this gspca module won't build...
14:31<Pudliszkis>i have 1 qstn , what 's source of pendrive
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14:32<Pudliszkis>mayby /swap/user ?
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14:33<firewall_03>how long does it take to install using the netinst and the 40mb ISO?
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14:35<imm>fast, but depends on your net connection/mirror you choose, etc
14:35<Harrison>Hey, does anyone know how to combine partitions on a hard disk ... for example, I've an 80gb hard drive, but I've made another partition on it for another operation system... but now I'm not using that operating system so I'd like to get the drive space back. Is it possible to do that without re-installing debian?
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14:35<brent_>firewall_03 I was up and running in about 2 hrs.
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14:36<imm>harrison maybe you can use parted to delete that other partition, resize the debian one, and then use resize2fs to grow the file system on it
14:37<Harrison>Thanks... I'll look into this
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14:37<RTIBobV>I am running Debian Etch. I have a GUI app that if I start from a terminal window, it runs, but if I try to start from a shortcut on the desktop, doesn't run
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14:38<Harrison>RTIBobV, what happens when you click on the icon on the desktop?
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14:38<RTIBobV>No response
14:38<buffoon>hi there,offtopic: does anyone know something about older SATA onboard chips? I bought a cd burner on my gigabyte ga-k8nsc-939 motherboard which talks always about "SATA IDE Hard drives" in the manual... aren't there dvd burners supported?
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14:38<brent_>I have a ESS Technology ES1869f sound card in ISA slot 1 but was not detected during the install how can i get it to work?
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14:39<buffoon>or maybe you could point me to another irc channel... don't have any idea where to ask elsewhere
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14:39<Vearis>Hello people a strange thing happens to me - I am trying to delete a file and I can not. neither move it nor open, even as root . the answers are: operation not permitted. the file itself is a small .png-image which is in some "thumbnails" folder Any help?
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14:40<brent_>according to the help me file its PnP but that didn't work
14:40<Harrison>Hey, anyone know where that debian website is that lets you post things for other people to see??????
14:40<dpkg>somebody said forums was, or (basically dead)
14:41<Nemoder>Vearis: does the filename contain nonstandard characters?
14:41<simonrvn>fix for that build error is "enable V4L1" in kernel...
14:41<cahoot>Harrison: meaning some pastebin?
14:41<Harrison>Yeah... but it's at ... I think
14:41<Vearis>nemoder: the name is 7f0ec77c8b6a09c5f502310e0a547f20.png
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14:41<bugaloo>no luck yet :\
14:41<Nemoder>Vearis: how are you deleting it? rm -f ?
14:42<Vearis>rm -rf
14:42<Harrison>RTIBobV, one moment... I need to find this website before I can help you.
14:42<bugaloo>I 'm trying some model parameters on modprobe, but I always get "Unknown modem for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS."
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14:42<RTIBobV>Harrison, thanks
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14:43<chealer>!tell Harrison about paste
14:43<Bigup>hello there :)
14:44<Harrison>Thanks chealer.
14:44<Nemoder>Vearis: perhaps another program has locked it, run fuser on it
14:44<Bigup>i've been trying to install lenny on my acer aspire one using the netinstall and the boot.img.gz on a usb key without success
14:44<Bigup>i boot on the usb key
14:44<Bigup>but i just get Loading linux... and it freezes
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14:44<Vearis>nemoder: fuser [file] gives a blank line
14:45<Bigup>i tried to play with noacpi nolapic and no apic parameters to the kernel
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14:45<Harrison>RTIBobV, please go to ""
14:45<Bigup>i have no clue about what to do anymore :)
14:45<Harrison>Then, open a terminal and type "cd ~/Desktop", "ls -alh".
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14:45<Nemoder>Vearis: as root?
14:45<Vearis>nemoder - yes
14:46<Harrison>Then, post the name of the program and icon on desktop to this IRC channel of which you're having difficulties with.
14:46<buffoon>Bigup, maybe you should try some vga= modes?
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14:46<Nemoder>Vearis: got me stumped then :/
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14:46<Bigup>buffoon: the vga modes would help? i can try this
14:46<Vearis>nemoder- actually the file is already in the trash, so that it is in.Trash-a/.thumbnails/normal
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14:46<Vearis>and i am trying to get it away
14:47<Harrison>RTIBobV, Oh I almost forgot... put the ouput of the "ls -alh" command on "" ...
14:47<buffoon>Bigup, depends, if it loads the kernel, but then shows just a blank screen it could help
14:47<Bigup>it does not
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14:47<Bigup>the loadingof the kernel freezes
14:47<RTIBobV>Ok, prgrm was installed manually without apt
14:47<Bigup>it's written "Loading linux..." then no more '.'
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14:49<Harrison>What's everyone think of the current version of Azureus in Lenny?
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14:52<Harrison>Okay RTIBobV, where in that list do you see the name of the icon you click to launch the program?
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14:55<Harrison>themill, I launched azureus after changing my java version to openjdk-6-jre... and I've got some reason that says "caio is required" "can't load main window"
14:55<Harrison>Okay RTIBobV, here's what you should do: run "su" in the terminal, you'll be prompted for your password, enter your password.
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14:57<Harrison>Then run "chmod 777 HDevelop.desktop"
14:57<Harrison>Then close the terminal window.
14:58<buffoon>Bigup, do you try with etch or etchnhalf?
14:58<MadHag>just got a security email about kernel problems
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14:58<Bigup>buffoon: i'm using op"
14:58<Bigup>20:57 < Harrison> Then close the terminal window.
14:59<Bigup>buffoon: i'm using the daily build of the netinstall
14:59<simonrvn>um, why not just have proper ownership for a file instead of doing dumb things like chmod 777 ?
14:59<simonrvn>!lart Harrison
14:59*dpkg whacks Harrison with the cluebat
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14:59<Harrison>What would proper ownership be in this case?
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14:59<Harrison>It's a desktop launcher...
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14:59<buffoon>ah, ok... so i guess it's not such an old kernel....
15:00<MadHag>thought I lost my connection
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15:01<simonrvn>the user that it belongs to, maybe? *sigh*
15:01<Harrison>And what if this user wants that to be available to all users? Should I have asked him who all would be using it?
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15:02<simonrvn>don't need 666/777 on it to use it
15:02<RTIBobV>Ok, no difference. double click on icon shows no activity
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15:03<Harrison>Okay, and when you ran Chmod 777 ... you didn't see an errors in the terminal did you?
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15:03<simonrvn>chmodding 777/666 something rarely is a good solution
15:03<RTIBobV>Yes i want it avail to all users
15:03<RTIBobV>no errors in term
15:03<Harrison>Okay, let's do this a little differently...
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15:05<Harrison>Do the same thing you just did, but use 755, and simonrvn if you know of a better way to do this please inform.
15:05<Harrison>Then after that RTIBobV, post the output of "ls -alh ~/Desktop" again.
15:06<MadHag>chmod -R 700 /etc/rc.d/init.d/* what does that do?
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15:06<simonrvn>what *is* he doing? trying to get some .desktop file to run in an x session?
15:06<simonrvn>MadHag: man chmod
15:06<Harrison>Trying to launch a desktop shortcut...
15:06<simonrvn>if it's not running, then either the args are wrong, or the binary isn't there
15:07<Harrison>Or it didn't have +r permissions.
15:07<Harrison>(for the user)
15:07<MadHag>simonrvn, supposed to be a good command for securing all system files etc apparenlty
15:07<simonrvn>yeh, you don't need to have +x on those
15:07<simonrvn>i know what it does
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15:08<simonrvn>as for read perms, well that's obvious ;)
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15:10<simonrvn>usually if it's got args after the exec, i just run it in a sh -c environment
15:10<RTIBobV>I will post output shortly. to reiterate problem, executable runs if I type name in terminal window so i assume env and path is correct
15:10<simonrvn>say, sh -c "foo -v -n --always"
15:10<RTIBobV>i try and create desktop shortcut and it will not run
15:10<Harrison>Probably what the problem is... is that the path is wrong in the launcher...
15:10<simonrvn>and foo is the thing you wanna run
15:10<Harrison>Check that (should be able to do this through the right-click menu)
15:10<simonrvn>that's always possible
15:11<RTIBobV>i will check, when i set up the launcher i browsed to the app
15:11<simonrvn>nonetheless, it's not hard. good luck, and have fun.
15:11<Harrison>Does anyone know how to get Azureus running on PowerPC?
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15:12<Harrison>I've installed the java-gdk-6-jre but I get errors when I start azureus... something about Caio needed ... and can't open windowbrowser...
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15:12<Harrison>Yeah let me run it again and try to catch it (damn message disappears after 3 seconds)
15:13<simonrvn>*cough* scroll up ;)
15:13<firewall_03>is it hard to get a wifi card working in debian?
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15:14<RTIBobV>This is the command line in the launcher: "/home/bobv/local/halcon/bin/x86-linux2.4-gcc40/hdevelop" and it is correct
15:14<RTIBobV>as in path is correct
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15:15<Harrison>DEBUG::Thu Sep 11 21:15:07 CEST 2008::com.aelitis.azureus.ui.swt.shells.main.MainWindow$2::runSupport::229:
15:15<Harrison> org.eclipse.swt.SWTException: Unable to load graphics library [Cairo is required] (java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class org.eclipse.swt.internal.cairo.Cairo)
15:15<MadHag>Harrison, why not use something like transmission
15:15<Harrison>Azureus has way more features... and I use bittorrent a LOT
15:16<Harrison>Like being able to automatically stop/start torrents based on their speed... etc.,
15:16<MadHag>with az you can select files within a torrent too
15:16<Harrison>So if you've a torrent that's not doing anything... azureus can query it and free up a download/upload slot.
15:16<Harrison>This too.
15:16<MadHag>I use utorrent in win
15:17<Harrison>That was the first error about Unable to load graphics library, simonrvn
15:18<simonrvn>hm, try this
15:18<Harrison>Here, I'll post the error on the clipboard thing...
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15:18<simonrvn>i doubt it'll work, but whatever
15:18<simonrvn>export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true
15:18<simonrvn>then try running it. always possible it *does* have to do with missing cairo support.
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15:25<Harrison>simonrvn, I ran the export command---same result .. still getting error.
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15:25<RTIBobV>Perhaps this will help. If I go to app directory and attempt to open app nothing happens. but if i start terminal and type hdevelop, app starts. invalid env settings? I did manually install since package was unavailable
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15:29<EmleyMoor>What plugin/package do I need for inline audio in iceweasel?
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15:35<yos87>hi, I have question, how can I mount my Vista HDD?
15:35<Torsten_W>with mount
15:36<Nemoder>EmleyMoor: that depends on the type of audio, but something like mozplugger might work
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15:38<yos87>Torsten_W: I know, But how I will know the device name that it's realted for the HDD I want?
15:38<Torsten_W>yos87: it's your pc, so i do also not know
15:38<Torsten_W>yos87: look with fdisk -l
15:39<yos87>Torsten_W: I got sdb1 and 2, I guess that is the one
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15:40<yos87>Torsten_W: i mount it, But when I open it, it say the folder content could not be displayed, you do not have permission necessary to view the contents of DTA
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15:41<Torsten_W>yos87: then read the manpage
15:41<Torsten_W>yos87: if you mount as root, the owner of the partition will be root
15:42<Torsten_W>yos87: if u will have the user-permision, use umask, or uid as mountoption
15:42<Harrison>Hello, I'm having trouble running Azureus in debian Lenny on PowerPC. Could anyone offer me some help?
15:43<Harrison>I'm using the openjdk-6-jre java package.
15:44<Harrison>I've posted error output here: (starts I believe, on line 94)
15:44<yos87>Torsten_W: does it have format to do that?
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15:44<Nemoder>Harrison: your alternatives are pointing to the correct java?
15:44<yos87>Torsten_W: the manpage is too long, I'm trying to read that
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15:44<Harrison>Nemoder, Yes, I believe. I've used update-java-alternatives to set it to the openjdk
15:45<Harrison>If you'd like I'll post output...
15:45<Harrison>update-java-alternatives -l returns: "java-6-openjdk 1057 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk", AND "java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj"
15:46<Nemoder>Harrison: are you using the vuze package in lenny?
15:46<Harrison>Yeah that's what it says when I click azureus in the applications menu (in Gnome), its a black box that says vuze, (formerlly azureus)
15:47<Harrison>Is this something different than Azureus? I'd prefer azureus, the one I used a while back was quite nice.
15:47<Nemoder>azureus changed their name to vuze
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15:47<Harrison>(yes, I'm running lenny)
15:47<Harrison>Oh I see.
15:49<Nemoder>I'm using vuze with java-6-sun on lenny amd64, I have not tried it with the new openjdk
15:49<Harrison>I'd use java-6-sun, but it's not available for PowerPC
15:50<Nemoder>yea.. all I can suggest is using reportbug on vuze
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15:50<Harrison>Do they have an IRC channel?
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15:53<Harrison>Nemoder, is it possible that an older version of Azureus would work better and if so, where could I download it?
15:53*egns is back
15:53<Nemoder>I kinda doubt it
15:53<Harrison>There's a whole list of bugs in azureus about java...
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15:54<Nemoder>they've made a lot of changes to their support libs like that swt stuff
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15:54<Harrison>Would this be fixed in Etch?
15:54<Nemoder>openjdk isn't even in etch
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15:55<Nemoder>I'd still say use reportbug, if there's a fix for it they'll probably email you and let you know
15:55<Harrison>Okay, so how exactly do I report this?
15:56<Nemoder>reportbug vuze
15:56<Harrison>Yes, how?
15:56<Nemoder>it's a tool
15:56<Nemoder>apt-get install reportbug
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15:59<Harrison>installing libswt-cairo-gtk-3.4-jni fixed the problem.
15:59<Nemoder>heh nice
15:59<Harrison>Nemoder, this looks a lot different than the azureus I used...
15:59<Nemoder>there is an option to change the interface back
15:59<Harrison>Is this the same program? It has like a big multimedia window...
15:59<Nemoder>yes i found that annoying too but you can disable it
15:59<Harrison>Yeah this interface sucks... how do I change it back?
16:00<Nemoder>tools->options->interface i think
16:01<Harrison>And I to set up more than one portfoward, right?
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16:01<Harrison>ah, now it says I can't restart it because it doesn't have an restart plugin enabled????
16:02<Nemoder>just close it and restart it
16:03<Harrison>It's saying that a version of azureus is allready running
16:03<Nemoder>make sure it is closed and not just minimized to the systray
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16:03<Harrison>i'll just reboot
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16:11<Harrison>It's still in the new interface, Neomoder
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16:13<Harrison>Does anyone know how to get azureus back to the old-style tab menus?
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16:14<Nemoder>Harrison: tools->options->interface->start->show button
16:14<Nemoder>"Display vuze UI chooser"
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16:15<Harrison>And can you tell me how many ports should be forwarded? just one, or should you forward more?
16:16<Nemoder>whatever you set your listen port to in the options
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16:17<Harrison>Do you know how I can make it restart now without ressetting my computer? It came up with that error message again after it tried to restart ... something about azureus cannot restart without the azupdater plugin installed. And it's not in the tray...
16:18<Nemoder>killall java? heh I'm not sure, don't have that error
16:18<Harrison>haha ... that worked...
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16:27<Harrison>Nemoder, now the NAT/Server Port test is failing...
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16:32<bigeasy>a postmaster of around?
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16:32<bigeasy>sender verify fail for <>: response to "RCPT TO:<>" from [] was: 550 mail for www-data is only accepted internally
16:33<dondelelcaro>bigeasy: what's your acutal question?
16:33*egns escucha Jesulín de Ubrique - Toda
16:33<dondelelcaro>(there's no reason to be sending stuff to www-data@m.d.o)
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16:33<bigeasy>I tried to apply at and my mail server rejected the email
16:33<bigeasy>the server has sent
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16:35<dondelelcaro>bigeasy: you should file a bug against if it hasn't already been filed; the problem is the envelope sender of those mesages
16:36<bigeasy>dondelelcaro: okay.
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16:37<bigeasy>so specify as the package's name, aight?
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16:40<bigeasy>bug #422657 could be it. Mon, 7 May 2007 17:28:02 +0200 (CEST)
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16:42<dondelelcaro>bigeasy: they may have the same problem, but it's not clear; master does do sender callback verification, though.
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16:44<bigeasy>dondelelcaro: any ideas :) ?
16:45<dondelelcaro>bigeasy:'s code is in cvs (may have moved to something more modern)
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16:45<dondelelcaro>bigeasy: make a patch to have it call the mta with appropriate arguments, and send it to the bug or
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16:54<Harrison>Hello, I'm having some trouble setting up Azuerus. Can anyone offer me some help?
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16:55<Harrison>I've set up port-forwarding the exact same way I've done so in the past for other BT clients, yet the Azureus NAT/ Firewall test fails, and all of my torrents are Red.
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17:15<EmleyMoor>Nemoder: I will investigate mozplugger. The audio is .wav, from my horde framework
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17:16<Harrison>Does anyone know why freenode is messed up?
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17:18<streuner>ask a debian related question, please
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17:21*EmleyMoor will try restarting iceweasel
17:23<EmleyMoor>I think that's done it...
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17:24<EmleyMoor>I can finally get my new box ordered before this month is out
17:25<EmleyMoor>(if the banking system worked at a decent speed, it would be sooner still!)
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17:26<EmleyMoor>Still, it will be my first new fresh system for Debian for some time. Most of my others have been second-hand, and even my best one has some stuff that goes right back to slink!
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17:27<EmleyMoor>It will also be my first real non-i386
17:28<jthomas>On a Debian4 box we have Pure-FTP running at startup from init.d ; where in that file (/etc/init.d/pure-ftpd) would I add flags that I want passed to PureFTP when it starts? I am trying to get a welcome message added.
17:28<EmleyMoor>(for some value of non-i386 anyway)
17:28<Nemoder>jthomas: can't you set that in it's conf file?
17:29<jthomas>i don't see one in /etc
17:29<Nemoder>some stuff gets put in /etd/default/
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17:29<Nemoder>but i'm not that familiar with pureftp
17:30<jthomas>ok there is in /etc/default/ but i don't get there the '-f /root/welcomemessage.txt' would go
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17:30<EmleyMoor>I've never used it, but I would think it would have config in /etc and/or /etc/default - and perhaps what you put in /etc overrides what's in /etc/default - that's the way it works with some things anyway
17:31<Nemoder>and most config files have a manpage
17:31<jthomas>the settings in /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common are like this tho, "VIRTUALCHROOT=true" I don't follow how there would be a -F put in there
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17:32<EmleyMoor>Anything to help you in /usr/share/doc?
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17:33<Harrison>Well it may be related to debian, since I'm able to access it through a web client, but not through XChat while xchat is in the debian repositories...
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17:34<EmleyMoor>Harrison: Can you access it from any other IRC client on your system?
17:34<Harrison>This is the only irc client I have.
17:34<jthomas>well if I put a .banner file in the ftp directory, it gets displayed at login. That works for me.
17:34<EmleyMoor>Harrison: Is something stopping you instaling another?
17:35<Harrison>I'm trying to get on #azureus-support
17:35<Harrison>I thought xchat was the only one... what other ones are there?
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17:40<Lenhix>Hello ppl. Could you give me an example of using a regex with grep -e? Actually I want to filter the commands from 10 to 99 when executing history
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17:49<variable>so how works that update-java-alternatives?
17:49<variable>i have old version of java and new from sun
17:49<Tallken>variable: update-java-alternatives --help
17:49<variable>yes i idi
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17:49<Tallken>update-java-alternatives -l
17:49<variable>but i dont get it
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17:50<Tallken>sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun
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17:54<variable>what i have done with new jdk i run bin in local and that's it
17:54<variable>and when i run update-java-alternatives -l it shows me awk: cannot open /usr/lib/jvm/*.jinfo (No such file or directory)
17:55<variable>it sais that dir does not exist
17:55<variable>so i have to create?
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18:59<grsshpper>hi, I have a newbie question
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19:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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19:02<grsshpper>OK. I want to install vsftp client. How do I know what apt-get package to use ?
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20:10<filius>alguien puede ayudarme?
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20:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:13<qq_>just a fakeuser
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20:13<ralphte>Hi weveyone
20:14<daniel_>hello, can somebody help me?? i have the netx problem, i install debian lenny, i customize it, install compiz, put some themes, etc, and when i restart he start correctly exceptly vecause the letters in gdm and when i login dont is visible
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20:17<ralphte>Does anyone have any experience with tsocks?
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20:18<carve>is there a way to force the new downloaded updates to install on reboot? cause I dont have physical access to a box, and it can't proceed with upgrades because ssh is inuse
20:19<eightyeight>should /etc/hostname contain the fqdn for your domain, or just the sub?
20:19<ralphte>is there a way to confgure the package manager to use a socks proxy
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20:25<abrotman>eightyeight: it can have both
20:25<firewall_03>I just got debian installed, how do I install icewm
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20:27<abrotman>firewall_03: aptitude install icewm xorg
20:27<abrotman>and also xdm if you want a login manager
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20:27<eightyeight>abrotman: i was looking for a 'best use' scenario. apache is complaining about not being able to determine the hostname, so i started looking there
20:27<firewall_03>do I need to be SU?
20:27<abrotman>eightyeight: i think this is covered in the docs
20:27<abrotman>firewall_03: yes
20:28<eightyeight>i have a dhcpd on the network, which is giving me the domain, so i figured the sub was good enough
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20:39<Cadavre>sorry if im late: when you reboot your ssh box remotely, at restart, it starts Secure Shell Server
20:40<Cadavre>you can log again after a minute or two
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20:40<Cadavre>the time the computer get to the login screen/console input
20:41<carve>I want the box to run the updates that I'm trying to update
20:41<carve>but they wont, because ssh is on
20:41<Cadavre>then you do apt-get update
20:41<Cadavre>apt-get dist-upgrade
20:41<carve>like I said, I dont have anything on the computer
20:41<carve>I did that, and it stalls on the apt-get dist-upgrade
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20:42<carve>im reinstalling 3.1 - then ill just do that from the start.
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20:42<Cadavre>it stalls?
20:43<NiCeBoY>Hello, i got a server with debian installed in it.. The only access i have with it is SSH and no physical access..I want to remove access this server.. and it does not have any graphical user interface installed on it.. what can i do to be able to remote this server please?
20:43<Cadavre>what's the output?
20:43<qq>eightyeight: wrong hostname is bind/dns issue
20:43<carve>NiCeBoY - what about VNC?
20:44<dpkg>from memory, 3.1 is sarge
20:44<NiCeBoY>carve i dont have any graphical user internface installer on it... will vnc work?
20:44<carve>couldn't you install a gui?
20:44<carve>and on top of that vnc
20:45<NiCeBoY>carve what gui u recommend me plz ? sorry am just newbie...
20:45<NiCeBoY>apt-get install ice should work
20:46<carve>search for icevm
20:46<carve>i think
20:46<eightyeight>qq: domains are dns, hostnames are local
20:47<eightyeight>qq: which led me to assume that /etc/hostname should not contain a dot, but apparently apache2 doesn't like that
20:48<qq>no apache2 use t /etc/hosts
20:48<qq>with .dot ...
20:48<eightyeight>qq: well, after putting the fqdn in /etc/hostnme, it didn't complain. putting it in /etc/hosts, it did
20:49<eightyeight>qq: regardless if the ip was, or what eth0 is bound to
20:49<qq>because it is not resolved by dns ...
20:50<qq>apache don'l care locale host
20:50<qq> don't *
20:50<eightyeight>but apache isn't looking at /etc/hosts. that's what i'm saying. it's looking at /etc/hostname for the fqdn of the server
20:51<eightyeight>anyway, i've got it resolved
20:51<qq>well you may have a apache on but it is useless for internet
20:52<eightyeight>no. it's listening externally. i can pull down pages from other boxes on the network
20:52<qq>than is ok ...
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20:54<qq>use >> dig << to see if it is resolved by your dns
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20:55<qq>sure you may redirect , but this is another problem
20:55<eightyeight>everything is resolved. i'm good now. /etc/hostname needs a fqdn for apache2. i'm smooth sailing now
20:56<eightyeight>dns and dhcp are config'd properly
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20:58<qq>well if /etc/hostname has dot name , it is a fake only , not a proper solution
20:58<eightyeight>then tell me how to get apache from giving me the error at /etc/init.d/apache restart
20:59<qq>use > hostname -f ,
20:59<qq>to look if you are done
20:59<eightyeight>how does apache use 'hostname -f'?+
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20:59<qq>not apache , but you
20:59<abrotman>that doesn't even make sense
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21:00<qq>sure it does
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21:06<eightyeight>qq: it's working, and everything is right. just let it be
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21:12<ralphte>what is the command line to start the synaptic package manager
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21:14<abrotman>uh .. synaptic
21:14<ralphte>lol ok
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21:27<chealer>ralphte: don't you have a menu item? which desktop environment do you use?
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21:40<abrotman>karlNY: don't msg me
21:42<eightyeight>isn't it +i mode for ignoring unregged nicks?
21:42<karlNY>don't I feel stupid.
21:42<karlNY>my bad
21:43<karlNY>my question was can someone smack me with a dose of package namery?
21:44<karlNY>looking for what package/suite might help me create my own custom installer for a server image, with the packages on it that I want, etc.
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21:44<abrotman>!custom netinst
21:44<dpkg>methinks custom netinst is,,,, see <kmuto>
21:44<karlNY>thanks man
21:44<abrotman>but if you want a package list .. just create one
21:44<abrotman>!tell karlNY about debian clone
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21:45<eightyeight>huh. +g does whitelisting, which i guess works
21:46<karlNY>thanks abrotman
21:46<klivian>Could someone help me get sound working on a new install of lenny?
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21:50<rianthebear>hey got a quick question about a software package im trying to install
21:51<abrotman>so ask
21:52<rianthebear>i just got debian installed trying to install the open office package, its asking for libservlet2.3-java to be installed, i cant find that anywhere in the package lists
21:54<abrotman>aptitude install .. doesn't work ?
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21:55<rianthebear>im using synaptic package manager to install. (forgive still new to linux and debian)
21:55<abrotman>which version of debian?
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21:58<blehdog>hey. quick question about ramdisks. it looks like 16 are created at boot according to the contents of the /dev folder. each is 4 MB. to these ramdisks use any ram while they are not formatted or being used? can i change how many of them are created at boot? will manually deleting them affect how much ram is being used by my system?
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21:59<chealer>klivian: just ask your question
21:59<blehdog>does that make sense?
22:00<klivian>chealer, if I knew more I'd give you more. Sound has never been my strong suit, and on my last distro it worked with no problems, so I never learned a lot about the details. About all I can tell you is that it's not working.
22:00<rianthebear>latest i think, got it from a friend, im using gnome 2.14.3 thats what ive figured out so far (god i hate be a mac user)
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22:05<chealer>!tell klivian about doesn't work
22:08<klivian>I'm sorry, chealer, I know "doesn't work" is a frustrating statement. Like I said, I just don't know what else to tell you. I can't find any error messages; if I play an audio file in vlc or mplayer, for example, neither complains. Do you have any suggestions for things I can look into?
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22:09<chealer>klivian: which Linux version do you use?
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22:10<klivian>chealer, Lenny,
22:10<dondelelcaro>klivian: are the levels unmounted? are you in the audio group? does aplay /usr/sahre/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav ; work?
22:11<dondelelcaro>!tell klivian -about alsa checklist
22:11<klivian>Thanks for the suggestions, dondelelcaro, I'm looking into them now.
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22:59<jaek>hmm virtualbox 2.0 is out... anyone know when it might get in unstable? heard any rumors?
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23:02<chealer>jaek: did you check the BTS?
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23:05<jaek>BTS? no... but virtualbox has a repo so i'll just use that
23:05*jaek wonders what will happen to his already installed virtualbox
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23:07<jaek>is there any way i can have firefox 2.x installed along side 3.x (via debian packages)
23:07<jaek>my webshop requires us to test firefox 2.0
23:09<craigevil-eee>you can always use the old Mozilla firefox 2.0
23:09<klivian>chealer: Well, I've made a little progress? I ran alsaconf, I'm in the audio group, I dickered with alsamixer, and esd seems to be working (it's running, anyway). aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav fails, with the message: "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave; aplay: main:564: audio open error: Device or resource busy"
23:09<qq->there is a repo on firefox , just use that
23:10<chealer>jaek: check for a wishlist report asking for the new version.
23:10<chealer>jaek: not with official packages, no
23:11<chealer>klivian: hum. does that happen just after rebooting the machine? or while esd is not running?
23:12<klivian>chealer, I didn't reboot the machine, just restarted X; should I reboot?
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23:13<klivian>chealer, when I stop esd aplay works fine (well, except there's no sound output)
23:13<chealer>klivian: aha. which desktop environment do you use?
23:13<jaek>why... is someone in this day and age running esd
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23:14<jaek>gnome uses pulseaudio now
23:15<klivian>Should I install that instead?
23:15<snogglethorpe>jaek: it does?
23:15<jaek>um maybe that was just ubuntu
23:16<chealer>klivian: please provide the output of amixer
23:16<jaek>i don't see either pulse or esd running on my stock debian install
23:16<snogglethorpe>seems like there are around 753 different audio systems around and toolkits can sorta kinda use many of them....sometimes
23:17<jaek>straight up alsa is the way to go
23:17<snogglethorpe>except when they can't
23:17<snogglethorpe>i'm sure gnome will eventually settle on whatever's the most bloated
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23:21<chealer>klivian: is this a desktop?
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23:25<karlNY>abrotman's off, but I found another useful lead on the liveCD question I had earlier. Once I make a custom liveCD system, and figure out how to have its packages auto-configured, etc... then I want to have a Host PXE server dishing out the ideal CD images to Client nodes....
23:26<karlNY>hth someone else too.
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23:26<chealer>klivian: do you have another OS with working sound installed to test that you don't have any hardware problem like volume down?
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23:28<klivian>Yeah, the sound works on my XP install and on the Dapper install that I had before I installed Lenny.
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23:31<chealer>klivian: did you try with all mixer settings at 100% and unmuted?
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23:35<chealer>klivian: did you check that sound was working in another OS after you noticed the problem in Debian?
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23:36<klivian>No, I'll reboot into XP and see what's what. Back in a bit. Cheers!
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23:42<syntax_>I used alien to convert all of a fedora dist to debian and dpkg -i them all. now all programs I run dump core. why?
23:44<syntax_>who here runs bind?
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23:45<syntax_>if anyone runs bind, can you run top and tell me how much mem it uses?
23:45<imm>syntax_ maybe they were compiled with a common so that's slightly different n debian
23:46<syntax_>imm: I was kidding. I normally jump in here with a "stupid" off-the-wall question :-)
23:46<syntax_>thanks though
23:47<syntax_>I think one of my highlights was "I just upgraded to libc5 and now my system won't boot. what's wrong"
23:47<syntax_>followed by "it all seemed to install fine with cp"
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23:49<superme>hi everyone ! I modified /inittab, /gdm.conf and /gdm/defaults.conf, to be able to use 12 TTY sessions. But i have a "problem", it's quiet long to log myself on the 12 sessions ! Do you know a tool to log all tty in one shot ? I already tryed screen and login -options ...
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23:49<chealer>dpkg: listvalues libc5
23:49<dpkg>Factoid search of 'libc5' by value (6): ldso ;; netscape+glibc ;; debian gnu/kfreebsd ;; altgcc ;; start a sid veterans war ;; muttzilla.
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23:50<dpkg>rumour has it, ldso is broken right now in potato (libc5 apps, like netscape, don't work). Get the new version from incoming (ask me about incoming for mirrors).
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23:53<imm>syntax_ named = virt,res,shr = 99576 9104 2216
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