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---Logopened Fri Sep 12 00:00:06 2008
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00:00<syntax_>superme, rsh or ssh?
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00:01<syntax_>oh, you're talking about VTs
00:01<superme>syntax_: at first on my terminal, we'll see after online
00:01<syntax_>so you're looking for some type of auto logon functionality?
00:01<superme>yes, TTY (genty)
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00:02<superme>not auto log, but be able to , by login on the TTY1, to log the 11 others too in one shot
00:02<syntax_>hmm, best I found so far is this:
00:03<syntax_>so, whoever logs in to the first TTY, you want to login to all others?
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00:03<syntax_>don't follow that URL I gave you earlier
00:04<syntax_>looks like it references some 3rd party code
00:04<superme>ok. cause it's too long to log manually all of them. I already try screen and login
00:04<kapil>superme: why did "screen" not work for you?
00:04<superme>screen work as well, bt i did not find an option to do that
00:05<superme>(in man i mean)
00:05<syntax_>I think screen may be the only option other than some fancy shell script
00:06<superme>mmmhhh ..... i though about a line to add in inittab or gdm.conf ... or something like that
00:06<kapil>you _could_ disable the getty on the other consoles and use a hacked getty which does something like "open" for each of the other consoles.
00:07<syntax_>you can certainly do it through scripting
00:07<syntax_>or you can use some hacked pam auth code
00:07<syntax_>either way, it's hacked 3rd party code
00:07<kapil>however, it is my impression that "screen" would serve is most of the cases when you would want multiple screens on the console.
00:07<superme>syntax_ and kapil: okay ... i think it still far from my level yet ^^
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00:08<superme>kapil: right but i found funny to have the 12 tty enable
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00:08<syntax_>if you don't mind me asking, why are you doing something like this?
00:09<kapil>if you are logged in to the console and (say) vc5 is unused, then "open /bin/sh" would give you a shell in vc5
00:09<syntax_>of course, the script method I mentioned would have to be run by each new users, so they would have to source it in or whatnot
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00:10<syntax_>kapil, huh? how would that open vc5?
00:10<superme>cause when i use x, i use to have several console window open. And before to know screen, i pllayed with all tty. Now i wanted to "finish" this tool (i allready found how to lock them in one shot)
00:10<syntax_>does that open the first available vc?
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00:10<jaek>um is there such a thing as 64 bit debian?
00:10<syntax_>jaek: yes
00:11<jaek>man i should have installed that
00:11<syntax_>do you have more than 4GB RAM?
00:11<RIVE>jaek, works very, very well.
00:11<jaek>can i swap my non-64 to 64 bit?
00:11<RIVE>jaek, only reinstalling.
00:11<jaek>no, but i need to run 64 bit virtualbox to run a 64 bit guest os
00:11<carve>can someone help me with a tiny issue dealing with ssh? if so pm me, or tell me to pm you. thanks.
00:12<syntax_>jaek: you have to create a chroot 32-bit install within your 64-bit install for some 32-bit apps to run
00:12<superme>kapil: so you mean by saying vc2 to 12 are unused and it's going to open tty2 to 12 ?
00:12<jaek>syntax_, what would "some" be?
00:12<syntax_>carve: ask in the channel
00:12<syntax_>jaek: like adobe flash/shockwave
00:12<jaek>oh that sucks
00:12<syntax_>and others that are not 64-bit clean
00:13<RIVE>syntax_, don¿t have to do that to use flash.
00:13<syntax_>RIVE: not necessarily, but I had problems with the wrapper
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00:13<carve>1st error: 4gb seg fixup, process exim3 (pid 1300), cs:ip 73:00bbaee1
00:13<jaek>hmm "Minimalistic AMD64 runtime support for i386" evidently might let me run a 64 bit apps alone
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00:14<syntax_>carve: that's not telling us much. where are you getting that from?
00:14<carve>2nd error: is too big to post
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00:14<carve>its just randomly spamming my terminal
00:14<carve>this is a VPS, with no monitor, just letting you know
00:14<klivian>chealer: I'm back! I couldn't boot into XP (I broke grub!), but I just wanted to say thanks for all your help & patience.
00:15<superme>Syntax: but indeed, the autologin howto you gave me is interessting in fact. Maybe modifie something in it to log all of the tty ? (still with my ideas ^^)
00:16<superme>klivian: with a liveusb you can restore grub in /etc/boot/menu.lst
00:16<syntax_>superme, I wouldn't use it. it was the first hit I came up with in google without reading much of it. after reading it, it requires (what I feel is) untrusted hacked code
00:16<syntax_>carve, stable, testing or unstable?
00:16<superme>syntax_: i got it. I can follow the idea by finding another howto
00:17<klivian>superme: Well, I'm using grub2, and I can boot into Debian just fine, just not XP.
00:17<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, post is the Power On Self Test, or according to jorg the Power On Elf Test (perhaps roll D6 for number of elves?)
00:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
00:18<syntax_>carve, use to post your output
00:19<superme>klivian: winXP need to have a special line in grub to be enable (i don't remember it)
00:19<syntax_>why, oh, why did dists switch to grub
00:19<syntax_>kill -9 grub
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00:20<chealer>klivian: heh
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00:22<syntax_>so, anyone running bind mind telling me how much mem it's using?
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00:22<syntax_>I was just noticing on a Win2K3 box that it's using 50MB RAM
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00:25<superme>thanks guys, have to go
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00:25<carve>syntax, you want me to take pictures of the errors?
00:25<syntax_>tell the wife I said hi
00:25<syntax_>carve: copy and paste them in to the web site
00:25<syntax_>then send us the URL
00:25<superme>and your one too ^^
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00:30<syntax_>carve, have you done an "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -y --fix-missing" lately?
00:32<syntax_>looks like you're probably running sarge
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00:34<christoz>greetings. what is the best dvd-burner application for debian?
00:34<syntax_>christoz, there isn't one
00:34<syntax_>that's a decision made by end users
00:34<carve>I just tried your command, im running 3.1, which im trying to upgrade to 4.0 heh..
00:35<syntax_>carve: OK, that command should do the trick
00:35<syntax_>cross your fingers
00:35<syntax_>debian is usually really good with dist-upgrades
00:35<christoz>ok, i want one that can write on a allready burned dnd sidk
00:35<RIVE>christoz, for Gnome gnomabaker, for KDE K3b.
00:36<christoz>gnomebaker cannot do that
00:36<syntax_>are multiscession DVDs supported?
00:36<syntax_>I never heard of a multiscession DVD
00:36<syntax_>unless it's just for data
00:36<christoz>data only
00:36<syntax_>if that's the case, then I think any ISO-based program should do the trick
00:37<christoz>well maybe i missunderstood
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00:37<christoz>ok bye bye
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00:38<carve>syntax_ I tried that command, same error..
00:38<syntax_>so everything is upgraded now?
00:38<carve>I'm currently using a VPS, only access is through SSH.
00:38<syntax_>try running it once more to ensure
00:38<carve>It can't update ssh because I'm using it
00:38<carve>Nothing upgraded
00:39<carve>I can't install ALOT of packages
00:39<syntax_>why not?
00:39<carve>It will not go past the ssh install?
00:40<syntax_>the SSH session you have going on now will use the old SSH version until reconnect. any new connections will use the new one
00:40<carve>It will not update them
00:40<syntax_>paste the SSH install error on that web page
00:40<carve>i did this:
00:40<carve>keep in mind this is a 4 min old install
00:41<carve>so i did this in this order: 1) apt-get update 2) apt-get dist-upgrade
00:41<carve>got the error, hopped on irc :P
00:41<syntax_>4 min old and it's and old dist? why?
00:41<carve>my VPS provider has just the OS Image for 4.0 for the 64bit VPS's
00:41<syntax_>so base install of sarge and you get this error
00:41<carve>I opt'd for a dual core
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00:42<syntax_>VPS = Virtual Private Server?
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00:43<carve>oh a newer error
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00:43<syntax_>carve, sounds like a XEN problem
00:43<syntax_>does it use XEN?
00:43<carve>Don't make me switch back to yum world :(
00:43<syntax_>I saw lots of errors using a google search regarding your initial 4g error
00:44<syntax_>I think it talked about upgrading yoru version of XEN
00:44<carve>Yeah, I still dont understand how to fix it, one suggested a echo cmd, but it didnt work for me
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00:45<syntax_>the echo command you got was based on Fedora
00:45<carve>I suppose
00:45<syntax_>perhaps the config files are not in the same place
00:45<oipunx>im new to debian and just wondering which kernel should i install
00:45<syntax_>oipunx, use what works
00:45<syntax_>oipunx, when it doesn't, then you may need to upgrade
00:45<oipunx> linux-image-2.6-amd64 or linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64
00:45<carve>I dont want to go back to CentOS, but if I can't get this figured out, I'm unfortunately going to have to
00:46<syntax_>oipunx, also check for security vulnerabilities. those are paramount to functionality
00:46<oipunx>what does the -1 means
00:46<syntax_>carve, have you checked for that files existance? and if so, does it coincide with the command in the web page?
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00:47<syntax_>oipunx, it's a debian sub-version number to identify its debian version
00:47<oipunx>ok so is the 2.6 one older than 2.6.26-1?
00:48<syntax_>debian, as a distro, may come out with multiple versions of the same kernel version, so they denote it with that
00:48<syntax_>2.6 is the base version. .26 is the kernel subversion. -1 is the debian subversion
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00:49<oipunx>ill install 2.6.26-1 then
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00:49<syntax_>there's no need
00:49<syntax_>unless it has something that you do need
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00:50<oipunx>why no need
00:52<syntax__>what would you benefit from a new kernel?
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00:52<oipunx>more stable?
00:52<syntax__>only more features
00:53<syntax__>and probably less stability
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00:53<syntax__>but stability in those parts only contribute to those parts only
00:53<syntax__>e.g. it's not like Windows where you load a new video card driver and it blue screens your box
00:54<syntax__>although, it can, in rare times, be like that
00:54<syntax__>but only when dealing with 3rd party closed source drivers, from my experience
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01:06<chealer>oipunx: which kernel do you use?
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01:15<oipunx>i picked the .26-1 lol
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01:15<oipunx>it's on this laptop though
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01:32<chealer>oipunx: linux-image-2.6-amd64 does not contain a Linux image, it only provides one through its dependencies, so it's not an equivalent of linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64
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01:41<oipunx>well it says the list show available kernels and to pick one
01:42<oipunx>and it lists linux-image-2.6-amd64, some others and linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64
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01:43<oipunx>wihch one do i use
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01:46<midododo11>any c,c++ programmer?
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01:47<dmoerner>midododo11: join ##c or ##c++ on freenode
01:48<chealer>oipunx: oh, well, that prompt is suboptimal. in that context linux-image-2.6-foo and linux-image-2.6.26-1-foo are equivalent
01:53<jaek>how easy is it to run a 64 bit application via amd64-libs?
01:53<jaek>there is only one program i need to run 64 bit
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01:55<jaek>lets say i don't need flash, why else would i not want to run a full 64 bit version of debian?
01:56<jm_>if you need java plugin in browser
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02:01<jaek>yeah i do.
02:02<jaek>no, actually i dont
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02:08<oipunx>where do you make it so that apt-get autocomplete when you try to look up package?
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02:21<oipunx>oh crap
02:21<oipunx>i accidentally deleted something
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02:40<bruce>algien aki
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02:42<sts>hello folks. Does the latest DSA only affect 2.6.24 and not 2.6.18? how comes?
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02:58<sheldonh>when you're backporting and dehelper dependency is too recent, do you reduce the version dependency and fix whatever breaks in the control file, or do you inject backported debhelper and dependencies into your pbuilder environment?
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02:59<jm_>for my sid backports I've always done the former, but I didn't care much if the result was OK or not (it was in > 95% of cases)
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03:07<clarence>誰可以回答我 請問哪一個mirror下載速度比較快?
03:08<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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03:10<jm_>which flag in /proc/cpuinfo signifies if a CPU is 64bit capable or not (running 32bit kernel)?
03:10<clarence>What mirror have the high speed download speed?
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03:10<henkmetselaar>clarence: usually closest to you
03:11<jm_>clarence: you can use netselect-apt or apt-spy
03:11<clarence>in last time, this channel is all of the chinese
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03:12<henkmetselaar>Using apt-get update gives me E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
03:12<henkmetselaar> after I added lenny to /etc/apt/sources.list
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03:12<icman>clarence: here is #Debian, not #dot ...:p
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03:13<henkmetselaar>dynamic MMap ran out of room
03:15<jm_>!tell henkmetselaar -about dynamic mmap
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03:17<sheldonh>jm_: i wish debhelper could be a special case, but then stale deps in etch would slow down its development
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03:43<sheldonh>jm_: how do you handle pbuilder runs where your backport depends on another one of your backports? (i'm backporting apache2-mpm-itk)
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03:44<sheldonh>jm_: i've backported apache2, and now the backported apache2-src installed in the pbuilder chroot for the apache2-mpm-itk build to work
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03:44<jm_>sheldonh: ohh I never use pbuilder, my needs are so minimalistic I always do it by hand
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03:45<sheldonh>jm_: i think --bindmounts and --login will be easiest
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03:57<sheldonh>oh crap. i think i'm going to need to backport libapache2-mod-php[45] as well
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04:45<Xeross>Yay im in
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04:46<Xeross>uhm i want to automatically open links in iceweasel(firefox) in kde how can i do it ?
04:47<sheldonh>how to can get an ipv6 address
04:47<jm_>try #debian-kde or #kde
04:52<sheldonh>jm_: beware. i just advised an entire team of sysadmins at an isp to seek you out on irc :)
04:52<jm_>sheldonh: what did you mean with how to get an ipv6 address?
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04:55<sheldonh>jm_: more muttering than a serious question. i'm wondering how easy it is to get your own ipv6 suitable for testing ipv4-over-ipv6
04:56<sheldonh>jm_: i'll prolly start at wikipedia
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04:59<Student>greetings EVery1
04:59<Student>i have problem routing my data
05:00<Student>how can i solve this issue?
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05:01<Student>any1 home?
05:02<jm_>sheldonh: ohh try this
05:03<stevecotton>Student: there are lots of things that can be called "routing". Ask again, but give more details about what you're trying to do.
05:03<Student>well stevecotton i established a Tunnel
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05:03<Student>i should send and receive my traffic via this tunnel
05:04<sheldonh>jm_: yeah, thaaaat's what i'm looking for. thanks :)
05:04<Student>i successfully establish the tunnel connection
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05:05<DTE>hi all
05:05<DTE>i've have some doubts
05:05<DTE>i'm trying some setups with kvm and i'm using lenny
05:05<DTE>lenny has the 0.72 version of kvm
05:05<Student>i can also ping the Server side of the Tunnel but when i try to open my browser and type a url , it does't work
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05:06<Student>stevecotton: so what do you recommend?
05:06<DTE>i'm seeing the overview of kvm and it stays that a newer version is up (74) that's correct with kvm site
05:06<DTE>but when i check that on debian it stay # Source download: kvm-75.tar.gz
05:07<DTE>is it just a typo error?
05:07<jm_>DTE: debian only has kvm 0.72
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05:08<DTE>jm_: i know...but why it stay
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05:09<Student>kinldy inform me what can be done in my situation
05:09<DTE>the newer is 75? it should be 74
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05:09<Student>i am unable to use my internet services
05:11<jm_>DTE: that's exactly the point of that page - to tell one there is a newer upstream release
05:11<DTE>ah no sorry...i'm the sourceforge repo there's 75...on the kvm page still is 74
05:11<jm_>DTE: read here -- (A new upstream version is available: 74, you should consider packaging it.)
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05:12<Student>any1 here kindly help me route my internet traffic via Tunnel connection already made
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05:12<DTE>jm_: i was confused because on the kvm page the last one was 74, but in the repo there's already 75
05:12<jm_>Student: read advanced routing howto
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05:13<Student>advance? why i need to read advance thing
05:13<Student>cauz all i want to do is to communicate with the other side of Tunnel
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05:13<jm_>for simple stuff route command is enough
05:13<Student>it is not just about using the route command
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05:14<jm_>ahh ok so you don't know how to do it, but you know that command won't work
05:14<Student>well i have already did a great deal
05:15<Student>and i have read this url --->
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05:15<Student>i successfully created vPn connection with the internet server
05:15<Harrison>Hello, I'm trying to install azureus but i'm having some problems. Could someone offer me some help?
05:16<Student>and i am able to ping the connected Server , the problem is , i am unable to route my internet traffic
05:16<jm_>Harrison: maybe
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05:17<Harrison>I'm running debian lenny, PowerPC, and I've installed azureus and set up portforwarding, but I'm still getting no traffic through. The torrents are good, and I've another bittorrent client which works fine with portforwarding, so I'm assuming that the ports are configured correctly.
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05:17<Student>any1 here kindly help me solve my routing problem ,
05:17<jm_>are you sure both azuerues and another client are using the same port?
05:17<Harrison>I'm positive that they're not using the same port---they're set to different ports.
05:18<Harrison>I've even tried azureus on two different ports -- set them both up in the same way in the router.
05:18<Harrison>But I still have "firewalled" and all the torrents are red.
05:18<jm_>in that case you need to find out what's happening to the traffic
05:18<Harrison>How can I do this?
05:19<Xeross>sometimes it takes a while before it doesnt display firewalled anymore
05:19<Xeross>i think
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05:19<jm_>tools like tcpdump/wireshark/jnettop
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05:19<Harrison>Okay I'm installing those through the terminal... right?
05:19<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gypobuilder
05:20<dpkg>one warez list being sent to harrison
05:20<jm_>yeah, using iptables logging would also help
05:20<Harrison>how do I do that?
05:20<jm_>!iptables tutorial
05:20<dpkg>iptables tutorial is probably
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05:25<Student>any1 here kindly help me solve my routing problem ,
05:25<sheldonh>what's the minimal fuss method of making .php files get handled by libapache2-mod-php5 in a vhost in apache2?
05:26<Harrison>jm_ so what do I do with these programs?
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05:28<sheldonh>i see debian already arranges an AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 in mods-enabled/php5.conf, but i'm not sure how to tell apache on a per-vhost basis that that type should be handled as a php-script
05:28<Student>any1 here kindly help me solve my routing problem , Thanx
05:28<jm_>Harrison: make them listen on your interfaces, then fire up azuerus and look at packet flow
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05:28<Harrison>Can you tell me how I do that exactly? I'm a bit confused.
05:29<jm_>I can't - it's not something trivial to explain in a word or two
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05:30<Harrison>oh, okay I have wireshark running and I'm getting a bunch of output on the screen now
05:30<jm_>sheldonh: is it really necessary to do that on a per-site basis?
05:31<sheldonh>jm_: no, i suppose not. how do i do it globally, though?
05:31<sheldonh>jm_: i thought those AddTypes would be enough
05:31<Student>kindly help me solve my routing problem , Thanx
05:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
05:32<sheldonh>jm_: bug #491928 suggests that AddHandler should be substituted for AddType, but my php files are still served instead of being executed
05:32<jm_>sheldonh: a2enmod
05:32<sheldonh>jm_: yeah, done
05:32<jm_>sheldonh: ahh try it with wget to eliminate stupid browser
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05:33<sheldonh>jm_: konqueror, firefox and wget all producing the same result
05:33<jm_>sheldonh: did you restart apache? :)
05:34<sheldonh>jm_: yup :)
05:34<sheldonh>jm_: maybe my backported apache2-mpm-itk is to blame
05:34<jm_>sheldonh: anything in logs?
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05:35<sheldonh>jm_: doh. yes. will scramble
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05:36<sheldonh>jm_: spot on. i don't understand how, but it must be broken php code. a simple test script i wrote produces a syntax error (because i'm no php guy). thanks!
05:36<Harrison>jm_ Okay so I've captured the data and I see lines highlighted in black, in gray, and light blue... are those errors?
05:36<Student>kindly help me solve my routing problem , Thanx
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05:37<jm_>sheldonh: hehe I always test with <? phpinfo(); ?>
05:38<NinjaMan>anyone successfully set-up multicast routing using XORP ... and routed UPnP/SSDP through it?
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05:38<jm_>Harrison: gtk version of wireshark?
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05:38<jm_>it's probably just different protocols shown in different colours
05:38<Harrison>Ah, well how do I find errors?
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05:39<Harrison>I see one in black that says "(Port Unreachable)"
05:39<jm_>like I said, this isn't trivial job, is it a router with two nics or a single nic +ppp0 or somesuch?
05:40<Harrison>How can I find that out?
05:40<jm_>run netstat -ni
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05:41<Harrison>I see my interfaces... in colums with the row headings "IFace" "MTU Met" "RX-OK" "RX-ERR" "rx-drp" "rx-ovr" "tx-ok" .....
05:41<jm_>how many lines did it print?
05:42<Harrison>I've posted the output here:
05:43<jm_>so you have eth0 and wlan0 - which is used to access the internet?
05:43<sheldonh>jm_: yeah, it was stupid of me not to do that right off the bat
05:44<jm_>ok so run azuerus, not the ports its listening on and tell wireshark to only show traffic for those ports
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05:45<Harrison>You mean, for example, Say I've set up portforwarding for port 60100, so I'd set a filter in wireshark to show only that port... the port which I've set azureus to use?
05:45<jm_>yes but also verify it is actually listening on that port
05:47<sheldonh>jm_: i've been given the rather grim task of securing php. it's like being asked to make government honest
05:47<Harrison>What's the best way to verify which port it is listening on? I've set it in the Azureus options...
05:47<jm_>sheldonh: uhh indeed
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05:47<jm_>run it then run this in a terminal : netstat -nap|grep azur
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05:48<sheldonh>jm_: with fun parameters like "you can't disable the exec and popen functions" :)
05:49<sheldonh>jm_: i'll keep saying "you are going to be disappointed with the results" until the project is declared a failure :)
05:49<jm_>sheldonh: some approaches as seen in dilbert strips would help too *g*
05:50<Harrison>jm_ That command didn't return any output, but I ran "netstat -nap" and see that there's no connecting between ports 9670 and 80***, so could it be correct to assume that Azureus isn't using the port 61*** that I've specified (I've used * as place holders)
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05:50<jm_>Harrison: no it should list any ports it's using - try running it as root
05:51<Harrison>I ran it as root.
05:51<jm_>try lsof -p pid
05:51<Harrison>One moment...
05:53<jm_>Harrison: ahh wait, maybe it's because it's a java app
05:53<jm_>maybe we're grepping for a wrong string
05:53<Harrison>It is a java application...
05:53<jm_>try | grep java
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05:53<Harrison>lsof | grep java ?
05:54<jm_>well netstat -nap|grep java
05:55<vargadanis>hello... Is there a way to direct all subdomains of a domain to a certain host and then let apache handle them?
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05:55<jm_>Harrison: it's using port 6652 - are you forwarding it?
05:56<Harrison>Why would it be using 6652? I set it to another port in the azureus settings menu....
05:56<jm_>60343 is UDP
05:56<Harrison>60343 is also set in the router as TCP
05:56<jm_>don't ask me, I use rtorrent instead
05:57<Harrison>It is better?
05:57<jm_>it's a tty app
05:57<JRHartley>grumble, grumble ... why can't people learn the basics *before* setting themselves up as admins for preposterous websites ?
05:57<Harrison>What's that mean?
05:57<jm_>it's better for me, not necessarily for me
05:57<jm_>it does not have a graphical interface
05:58<jm_>not necessarily for you*
05:58<Harrison>I use a lot of bittorrent... I wanted azureus because it has better management options... for large amounts of torrents
05:58<Xeross>azureus also has a ram usage of 120megs
05:58<Xeross>doesnt utorrent work on wine
05:58<Harrison>but after spending a few hours just to get the damn thing running... and now these difficulties with the connection...
05:58<jm_>ahh rtorrent is very nice for that (the only limitation about it is it doesn't have per torrent speed limits)
05:58<Harrison>I have plenty of ram.
05:59<Xeross>i have too
05:59<JRHartley>bit tornado is the best torrent client, for the very simple reason that it uses a different port each time. it also has much smaller memory usage
05:59<Xeross>but somehow it slows everything down
05:59<Harrison>It's the java.
05:59<Xeross>bittornado is kewl
06:00<Xeross>but it lacks some options
06:00<Xeross>like uh having 20 torrents open
06:00<Xeross>it isnt organized with bittornado
06:00<Harrison>Deluge is good... but nothing has as many features as azureus
06:00<JRHartley>torrents are near the end of their life. ISPs are already clamping down
06:01<Harrison>and I've not found ANY... not a one... bug in deluge.
06:01<themill>JRHartley: you didn't see the guy who was calling ssh through php so that he could "get file ownership right" for a photo paste site he was developing. It had "FAIL" written on it in so many places. If I had access to the source code, he would have made the front page of
06:02<JRHartley>themill: haha. i bet you're right. but i must admit, i'm in a grumpy mood, so don't take me too seriously until i've had some more coffee :)
06:02<themill>!coffee JRHartley
06:02*dpkg decants a fine mug of organic Tanzanian for JRHartley, courtesy of themill
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06:04<sheldonh>themill: ha! i support such a customer :)
06:05<sheldonh>themill: well, the php script called out to a perl script which did the ssh :)
06:05<themill>This guy was using some ssh functions that are within php.
06:06<Xeross>i never used ssh with php
06:06<sheldonh>i wish php would just die already
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06:06<themill>We tried to convince him that a system() call to sudo would be a better way of running whatever program he wanted to run, but ssh it had to be. Oh and he wanted to only permit ssh for root from external IPs but allow ssh for all the website users on loopback.
06:06<themill>... "You're doing it all wrong" ...
06:06<sheldonh>i got so excited when the core team had their wobble yesterday. i was hoping it was the beginning of the end for the project. alas, it wasn't to be
06:07<Harrison>Anyone able to offer me anymore advice on setting up Azureus?
06:07<dpkg>To install azureus, type aptitude install azureus AFTER adding contrib and non-free to your sources. | Ask me about <contrib> <non-free>, or java permissions incredibly insecure by default, it will take a picture of your desktop and a log of your activity and put it up as a new torrent for legal action.
06:07<themill>dpkg azureus =~ s/\| //
06:07<dpkg>that doesn't contain '\| ', themill
06:07<themill>dpkg azureus =~ s/| //
06:07<dpkg>OK, themill
06:08<Xeross>why not install azureus from source
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06:08<sheldonh>Xeross: same reasons you wouldn't install anything from source
06:08<Harrison>I installed azureus and I didn't have contrib and non-free enabled....
06:08<sheldonh>Xeross: you can if you like, but then you lose the benefits of the packaging system
06:09<themill>interesting... it's in main now.
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06:10<themill>That factoid could do with being updated, but seeing as I know nothing about it, I'm not really in a position to do so. Any takers?
06:10<Harrison>themill, perhaps you could recommend an alternative?
06:10<Xun1t>hi I need help with my installation of debian with an Asus P5E WS motherboard.. anyone experience with this?
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06:10<sheldonh>Harrison: i'm a kde user, and ktorrent's okay
06:10<themill>Harrison: nope.
06:11<Harrison>I can use that in gnome right?
06:11<jm_>Xun1t: just p5k for me
06:11<jm_>bb in 10
06:11<sheldonh>Harrison: yeah. i mean, it'll suck in parts of kde (e.g. kdelibs), but you won't suddenly be a kde user :)
06:12<sheldonh>Harrison: in the same way that kde users use firefox, even though it's gtk-based
06:12<Xeross>what benefits would i lose if i installed packaged azureus instead of source
06:12<Xun1t>jm_: with marvell chipset as well? I get a msg that I need cdrom drivers.. but I dont know where to get them to make a disk
06:12<Xeross>i for example compile apache php mysql myself
06:12<Xeross>cus the package system version is vague
06:12<Harrison>But does ktorrent have the features of azureus?
06:12<sheldonh>Xeross: all the benefits of a packaging system -- clean uninstalls, easy upgrades, work done for you by the package maintainer, security updates done for you
06:12<themill>in what way is the "package system version vague"
06:13<sheldonh>themill: "i don't know how to use it" :)
06:13<Xeross>all files are in places i cant find em
06:13<sheldonh>Harrison: i have no idea. all i ever need to do with a torrent client is download new OS images
06:13<themill>Xeross: what files can't you find? What files do you need to find?
06:13<Xeross>the configs etc
06:13<Xeross>i now have php mysql apache in one folder
06:14<Xeross>much simpler
06:14<themill>Xeross: if things are in different places to upstream, there's usually a README.Debian in /usr/doc/<packaagename> but normally they are in the right spot to beginn with. There's also "locate" or "find" to help you find files if you can't. And there's apt-file.
06:15<Xeross>why would i go through the trouble of learning to remember where they are or looking it up everytime if i can now access them easily
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06:16<themill>what's hard to remember about apache2's config file being in /etc/apache2?
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06:16<Xeross>this is cleaner
06:16<Xeross>all files in 1 place
06:16<Xeross>rm -r /Server/Apache and they are gone
06:16<Xeross>not that i need to delete em
06:16<themill>Xeross: why don't you move all the files from your entire hard drive into / then?
06:16<sheldonh>Xeross: to benefit from the packaging system, and minimize deviation from the distribution (for productivity at scale)
06:17<sheldonh>Xeross: in a tinkertoy environment, it doesn't matter :)
06:17<Xun1t>anyone here with good experience installing debian when cd-rom drivers a requested by installation? (I have an asus P5E WS motherboard with marvell drivers (IDE CD-ROM) )
06:17<themill>Xeross: I hope I never inherit a box that you've been near.
06:18<themill>Xeross: because I can go to any debian box in the world and find the apache files in /etc/apache2. For your box, I've got to learn something different.
06:18<Xeross>you'd remove the Server dir and install the packages
06:18<Xeross>well i could link them on request
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06:20<Xeross>also i now have the newest apache instead of the packaged one
06:20<themill>!sns syndrome
06:20<dpkg>[sns syndrome] a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
06:21<themill>If you want to do it that way, why not install gentoo? then you could spend your entire life recompiling stuff.
06:21<Xeross>or slackware
06:21<Xeross>i like the package system
06:21<Xeross>only not for apache php mysq;
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06:22<Xeross>i just like the manual way for those makes me feel more in control
06:23<JRHartley>Xeross: the only stuff i ever compile myself is my own development stuff. it is a *complete* waste of time compiling packages that are available in the repos
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06:25<Xeross>ye i agree
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06:26<Xeross>the person that made me start using linux used slackware compiled everything manually think thats why i compile it myself
06:27<sheldonh>that explains it :)
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06:27<sheldonh>slackware's an interesting learning aid. that is all :)
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06:28<JRHartley>sheldonh: you are so right. same with gentoo. they are not experts' systems, they are for n00bs
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06:29<sheldonh>JRHartley: i'm very glad i used gentoo. it was a great transition from bsd. awesome learning aid :)
06:29<sheldonh>JRHartley: the mistake was to try to use gentoo to maintain my own distro for customers :)
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06:31<JRHartley>sheldonh: yeah i tried that once. it was a nightmare. i was running around from site to site, phone constantly ringing and queries about why the computers were running so slow ...
06:31<sheldonh>JRHartley: i gave up on the 5th quarterly service pack (which involved both glibc and gcc upgrades) :)
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06:37<Xeross>i have a problem
06:38<Xeross>sound isnt working in flash
06:38<Xeross>since i created a seperate user account
06:38<Xeross>on root it worked fine
06:39<JRHartley>Xeross: are you running a sound server like arts or esound or even pulse ?
06:40<Xeross>sound works fine
06:40<Xeross>but flash doesnt have sound anymore
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06:40<themill>"on root it worked fine" you were running a browser and flash as root?
06:42<JRHartley>Xeross: remind me what alsa-oss is for. i have a terrible memory for linux sound and all its nooks and crannies
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06:43<jm_>Xeross: try telling iceweasel to use aoss wrapper
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06:58<Xeross>i did
06:59<Xeross>maybe i cant access it
06:59<Xeross>the config file
06:59<jm_>where is that?
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07:01<Xeross> /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
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07:02<MadHag>Hi, are there any server stress tools for Linux, loads for windows
07:03<jm_>yeah one can do the same in ~/.mozille/firefox/rc or wherever your dir is
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07:04<Xeross>that wasnt it
07:04<Xeross>ill try
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07:05<sheldonh>MadHag: running kernel builds is pretty good
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07:06<themill>!info stress
07:06<sheldonh>MadHag: another is running siege against a database-driven web application
07:06<buffoon_work>MadHag, cpuburn
07:06<dpkg>stress: (A tool to impose load on and stress test a computer system), section devel, is extra. Version: 0.18.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
07:06<themill>ab (apache bench) from the apache2 packages
07:06<sheldonh>hey, neat
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07:07<sheldonh>themill: ab is pooh. i highly recommend siege instead :)
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07:07<themill>fair enough
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07:07<sheldonh>themill: specifically, ab's output is mostly garbage -- it's still a good stress test, which is what you were recommending it as
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07:08<MadHag>thanks, just looking at apache ab, seems to be what I am after
07:08<vargadanis>hi, is there a way to set up a bind to resolve domains that are not in it's authority?
07:10<Xeross>just dont know how
07:10<themill>vargadanis: it should do that automatically at least for the local host
07:10<vargadanis>well yes... I want to resovled domains such as and such
07:10<vargadanis>I set up a split dns thingie
07:11<Xeross>wasnt it recursive lookup
07:11<Xeross>google : Bind Recursive
07:14<vargadanis>Xeross: most likely that is what I need... however I found some reference to the forward option... couldn't it do it as well?
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07:25<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
07:25<ichbins>thank you ;)
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07:34<Xeross>theres something wrong kmix is now emtpy
07:34<Xeross>as non root
07:34<Xeross>does that mean i cant access some file/process
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07:43<Xeross>does anyone know the name of a fullscreen flash
07:43<Xeross>cus i want it to have 100 opacity
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07:50<sheldonh>xeross: is alsamixer "empty" too?
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07:54<JRHartley>sheldonh: i haven't even seen the prelude, but i'm willing to bet good money that the answer is a sound server like arts, esd or pulse messing up the works. they are such a PITA and totally unnecessary (unless you want annoying desktop sound effects)
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07:59<sheldonh>JRHartley: yup. first thing you ought to turn off in kde :)
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08:04<c36pop>hi i have a problem with nautilus when i plug a usb drive , neither the autorun nor the desktop icon appears. But in the file explorer , under computer:/// the volume name appears , if i click once on it i m redirected to the / folder and the second time a click on it i have access to the files and the desktop icon appear. Could somebody help please . I get that problem after removing old unused kernels in Lenny
08:04<c36pop>i think
08:05<MadHag>what kernel is currently shipped with etch?
08:06<MadHag> 2.6.18-6-686 on my server, is that old or is there probably a good reason for it
08:07<Xeross>hmm lemme check alsamixer
08:07<Xeross>alsamixer isnt empty
08:08<c36pop>MadHag : you need a new one ?
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08:11<MadHag>its not updating and upgrading so there must be a reason
08:11<MadHag>no, its working fine, I was just wondering about a security email I got yesterday
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08:12<MadHag>talked about a bug being fixed in etch is kernel 2.6.24 and I thought, hangon
08:13<c36pop>yes 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.5 0 is the latest kernel for etch i think
08:13<MadHag>not my server though
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08:14<c36pop>you have i think to install it manually first by looking in apt-cache search
08:15<MadHag>ah, I will email my server people support, sod that I will break everything if I do it :)
08:15<c36pop>if you can t find it then you need to adjust your source.list
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08:15<MadHag>whats the url
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08:16<c36pop>yes better to leave the 2.6.18 . i have that one on all of my servers (dell poweredges 850)
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08:16<MadHag>as long as its kosher thats fine by me
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08:18<MadHag>EverCase ECR9130 Server here
08:18<MadHag>just one :)
08:18<MadHag>my pride and joy
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08:25<g---->hi guys
08:26<g---->can someone tell me what i should do with xorg.conf to get my projector working with debian?
08:26<g---->it is connected on s-video
08:26<g---->on radeon 9000 card
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08:26<g---->i've been googling whole morning :)
08:26<tralala>g----, you shouldn't have to do anything
08:26<tralala>oh, svideo
08:26<g---->how come
08:27<tralala>g----, which driver do you use?
08:27<g---->open source
08:27<tralala>radeon, right?
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08:30<g---->do is there help for me
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08:31<g---->so* :)
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08:32<bugaloo>"/" missing, hehe
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08:33<tralala>g----, it seems that you'll need the propriarity driver to tet the svideo out to work
08:33<bugaloo>g----, what is the video card?
08:33<g---->but propriarity doesnt work with my card
08:33<g---->it is old radeon 9000
08:34<tralala>g----, are you on etch?
08:34<bugaloo>hm... I'm using a radeon on my laptop and works fine... but I can't remember the model
08:34<bugaloo>g----, you poweron your computer with the svideo cable plugged?
08:35<g---->when i type xrandr i get this: S-video disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
08:35<g---->but i connected projector to svideo and turned it on
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08:35<bugaloo>g----, sorry... are you trying s-video in or out?
08:35<g---->bugaloo, no computer was already powered on
08:35<g---->bugaloo, out
08:36<bugaloo>g----, in my case, when I try to poweron the computer and plug the cable with the laptop already on, it doesn't work
08:36<bugaloo>only works if I turn on the computer with the cable already plugged
08:36<bugaloo>you can try it
08:36<g---->ill try restarting it now
08:36<bugaloo>good luck
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08:39<g---->it doesnt work
08:39<g---->i could see grub
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08:39<g---->and booting up on projector
08:39<g---->but when X started i couldnt see anything
08:40<bugaloo>could be the driver or resolution
08:40<tralala>g----, try to change the resolution down
08:41<g---->on my primary screen?
08:41<bugaloo>well... here is the same... on monitor and TV
08:41<bugaloo>I never used independent screens
08:41<bugaloo>what resoltuion are you using?
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08:42<g---->i tryed 800x600
08:42<g---->but it doesnt work
08:42<tralala>g----, what's the output of xrandr?
08:42<g---->still S-video disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
08:42<bugaloo>it seems a X video driver
08:43<bugaloo>did you try to search any radeon stuff on synaptic? or ati
08:44<tralala>g----, is there anything about svideo in man radeon?
08:44<bugaloo>I'll turn on my laptop to see what is my card
08:44<g---->just a sec
08:44<g---->i installed kde-guidance now
08:44<g---->i have monitor and screen i kcontrol now
08:44<g---->ill try to enable secondary display through that
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08:59<babba>I'm following :, and got to the bit where I do the mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 but boot is there. So I get: mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy
09:00<babba>I guess I need to break out the rescue disk. Any other weirdness to watch out for when I run mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 ?
09:01<babba>damn, we need an automated way to mirror raid an existing system
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09:02<vargadanis>can sb. pls walk me through the steps of creating an anonymous ftp site?
09:03<bugaloo>vargadanis, what ftp server are you using?
09:04<vargadanis>however I have problems when trying to configure it
09:04<bugaloo>what problems?
09:04<vargadanis>I tried to use the default settings from the config file
09:04<vargadanis>with no cuccess
09:04<vargadanis>the logs do not tell me anything useful
09:04<babba>oh. I have this to look forward to:
09:04<vargadanis>btw... what are the logs I should pay attention under such circumstances?
09:04<bugaloo>what happens? it just don't start?
09:05<vargadanis>the server seems so start
09:05<vargadanis>but when i connect to it my connection is terminated
09:05<bugaloo>can you connect with non-anonymous account?
09:05<babba>oh, crap. The best way is to cp the important data/configs, and rebuild from scratch. Argh.
09:05<vargadanis>ProFTPD terminating (signal 11), FTP session closed.
09:06<vargadanis>bugaloo: there are no non anonymous ones
09:06<bugaloo>but did it ask a login or password?
09:06<vargadanis>bugaloo: can I somehow test what the problem could be?
09:06<babba>or maybe run through this again with a better howto (debian-admin has one)
09:07<vargadanis>babba: I will take a look at that
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09:07<babba>vargadanis : I was muttering to myself about my problem not yours ;-)
09:07<bugaloo>vargadanis, nothing on messages?
09:08<vargadanis>babba: ohh. oops ^_^
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09:08<vargadanis>bugaloo: no...
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09:08<bugaloo>babba is talking alone... I dont understand that, but well
09:08<bugaloo>vargadanis, did it ask for a login and pass?
09:08<vargadanis>no response at all
09:08<bugaloo>it crash before login, ok
09:09<bugaloo>can you paste your proftpd.conf?
09:10<vargadanis>I just reinstalled it, so I have the default one... no changes to it
09:10<vargadanis>i will pastebin it in a sec
09:10<bugaloo>oh, default conf
09:12<bugaloo>taking a look
09:13<bugaloo>the proftpd user and nogroup group exists, right?
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09:15<vargadanis>useradd and groupadd both return user/group already exists
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09:16<bugaloo>are you starting it with /etc/init.d/proftpd start?
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09:16<Guest6580>are you guys accepting questions about knoppix?
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09:17<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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09:17<Glue>are you guys accepting questions about knoppix?
09:17<bugaloo>vargadanis, you know the proftpd is not configured to anonymous, right?
09:19<Glue>are you guys accepting questions about knoppix?
09:19<vargadanis>bugaloo: as of now it is not... i just reinstalled it
09:19<bugaloo>however, it should not be a problem, once you can't even see the proftpd asking login
09:19<vargadanis>so that I would have the default
09:19<bugaloo>ah ok
09:19<bugaloo>when you starts proftpd, can you see it on ps?
09:19<themill>dpkg: tell Glue about knoppix
09:20<Glue>i actually just have 1 question bout it
09:20<vargadanis>ps -ef lists it
09:20<bugaloo>Glue, ask
09:21<bugaloo>vargadanis, so it only dies when you connect
09:21<Glue>ok thx, is there a utility that tels you how much memory/processor/ect. are being used?
09:21<bugaloo>uptime for cpu, free for mem
09:21<Glue>i guess it would be similar to windows task manager
09:22<vargadanis>bugaloo: yes... mem and cpu should be fine...
09:22<vargadanis>bugaloo: in a sec I can give you some more info
09:22<Glue>is there a way to look at the utilization tho?
09:22<bugaloo>vargadanis, sorry, it was for glue, hehe
09:22<Glue>ok thx
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09:23<Glue>i guess it would be similar to windows task manager
09:24<Glue>does knoppix have this?
09:24<bugaloo>well... I told you to ask, but I dont use knoppix, hehe
09:24<Glue>o lol
09:24<bugaloo>so I told you the general answer... console ;)
09:24<avu>Glue, this is #debian. we know about debian, not knoppix
09:24<Glue>i will check another room, sorry bout that
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09:25<bugaloo>what can I say... I have a good soul, heh
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09:31<vargadanis>bugaloo: it seems to work now, however I use proftpd -nd6 to debug
09:31<vargadanis>i don't know what was wrong previously
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09:41<ivo_>hello, i've got in my source MODULE_PARM(dcache,"i") that generate " error: expected ‘)’ before string constant", Is the a solution for this problem?
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09:52<beia_>i need to install java and flash in machine x86_64, in debian
09:52<dpkg>it has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
09:52<dpkg>rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives>
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09:54<dpkg>the GNU Compiler Collection. see or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever", or /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>, see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian.gz
09:56<dpkg>well, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel>
09:57<dpkg>hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
09:57<beia_>why delete iceweasel ?
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09:59<themill>/msg the fscking bot, please
10:06<ranix>hey folks, it's been a long time since I've done a fresh install on a new computer. The fonts that come with a raw install of X (i.e., apt-get install gdm xorg) don't cover all the bases and without some additional fonts web browsing basically looks terrible. I remember there's a quick-fix to get the standard decent looking fonts, does anyone know off the top of their head what package(s) I should grab?
10:06<avu>ranix, have you installed xserver-xorg or just xorg?
10:07<avu>ranix, I seem to rember xserver-xorg pulls everything you need in. but it's been a while since my last desktop installation too
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10:08<themill>ranix: /msg dpkg msttcorefonts
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10:08<ranix>that's it
10:08<ranix>thanks themill
10:08<ranix>(thanks for the suggestions too, avu)
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10:15<nickdaly>What libraries do I need to install to let gparted format a partition as fat16?
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10:30<beia_>where install iceweasel ?
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10:31<jkl>(debian testing) hi, Im trying to configure the ServerTokens directive for Apache (2.2.9) to prod, but no luck, Im getting "Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) mod_jk/1.2.18".. any clue?
10:32<bugaloo>beia_, synapitc?
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10:33<bugaloo>apt-get install iceweasel
10:33<jackyf>Bearman: "where?"
10:33<jackyf>from repo
10:34<beia_>i find ! tanks
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10:37<jkl>I want to rip it off "Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) mod_jk/1.2.18" ... just get "Apache".. I've been reading.. and tried "full" (it works) so I think is taking the changes... but, not clue why is showing "mod.. " etc etc.
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10:41<themill>jkl: where are you setting this?
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10:43<themill>jkl: by changing the value that's already in there?
10:44<jkl>themill, well... with "prod" apache should show just "Apache" nothing else.. but Im getting version and a module..
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10:47*variable everybody with programmers' day!!! ;]
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10:53<themill>jkl: works here... did you reload/restart apache after changing the config?
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10:53<jkl>themill, yes.
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10:56<Harrison>Hello I'm having some trouble running azureus--could anyone offer me some help? I've posted the error output here:
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11:01<jkl>themill, do you have mod_jk? (tomcat-apache connector)
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11:08<jkl>themill, ?
11:09<themill>jkl: no, I didn't have that installed
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11:11<stevecotton>Harrison - that looks like a missing dependency, but worse it looks like the dependency doesn't exist any more - libwidgets_gtk2 is now replicated in iceape, iceowl and icedove (all users of xulrunner).
11:11<jkl>themill, ok.. tnx.
11:11<themill>jkl: just installed it. "proc" works fine: "Server: Apache"
11:12<Xeross>guys i bought a domain and i want to setup smtp and pop3 but i have no clue on how to do it
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11:12<petemc>Xeross: time to get reading then
11:12<jkl>Ok, there must be something "wrong" between mod_jk and apache.. or something else..
11:12<Xeross>well i have compiled sendmail and put all the files in the right spot
11:12<Xeross>but dunno what to do now then
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11:12<petemc>thats a bad idea
11:13<themill>Xeross: it's time to get over your compiling obsession
11:13<petemc>why not use a packaged mta, and an mta that isnt known for being user unfriendluy
11:13<Xeross>aptitude install sendmail ?
11:13<Xeross>mta ?
11:13<themill>or exim4 or postfix
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11:16<themill>Xeross: I have no idea how you could have configured sendmail without knowing what "mta" stood for.
11:16<dpkg>i guess mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>.
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11:17<Xeross>configuring and compiling are 2 enitrely different things
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11:19<themill>jkl: no, what I meant just then was that I had just installed mod_jk and tested it again and "prod" still worked as it is supposed to.
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11:19<Xeross>ok so exim was already installed
11:19<themill>Xeross: see, if you used the debian package for a sensible mail client, then there is a nice script that walks you through the configuration.
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11:20<themill>Xeross: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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11:20<ranix>I'm having a hell of a time getting Samba support in a file manager for Xfce4. What should I use?
11:21<jkl>themill, uh.. ok tnx
11:21<Xeross>mail sent by smarthost; no local mail OR received via smtp or fetchmai ?
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11:29<Xeross>uh exim configured now what
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11:32<jkl>themill, Hey.. I was trying in apache2.conf and it didn't work.. but sites-enabled/000-default was fine. (about ServerTokens).
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11:33<mdj>!didn't work
11:33<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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11:33<themill>jkl: that's odd. ServerTokens can't be set on a per-virtual host basis.
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11:34<themill>jkl: I'm presuming that you have two occurrences of ServerTokens in your config somewhere and you've been trying to change the first one and not the second.
11:34<themill>That's the one thing I have against the split config. For everything else, it's fantastic.
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11:35<themill>jkl: Some grepping might be in order.... grep -i -r servertoken /etc/apache2/
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11:35<Xeross>anyone have like a tutorial or something for setting it up
11:36<jkl>themill, yes, I tried that already.. but not /etc/apache2 completely
11:36<themill>Xeross: look on the debian wiki or howtoforge. But make sure you understand what you're doing at each step. Such tutorials are notirous for producing crappy installations because the person who followed then didn't know what they were doing.
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11:37<Xeross>well that applies to me but i do need mail on my server
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11:37<jkl>themill, U were right.. thanks a lot man. (like 5 of them).
11:37<themill>jkl: heh... that'll do it to you
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11:40<nubbun> should seed the bittorrents.
11:41<Xeross>i hate it when i cant figure something out
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11:42<Xeross>php need sendmail but thats included with exim righ
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11:46<waini>i have a problem with setting up a acpi-wakeup
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11:47<Xeross>cant find exim debian tutorial on howtoforge
11:47<waini>i have set /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm correctly - but after shutdown there is no wakeup
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11:47<waini>any ideas?
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11:50<nubbun>waini: checked your lsmod?
11:51<waini>for what?
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11:52<waini>nubbun: checking for what?
11:52<nubbun>appropriate acpi modues
11:52<Xeross>ok exim configured how to sen dmail
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11:56<ranix>I can browse network shares with smbnetfs, but I cannot enter the password for a password-protected share. What should I do about that?
11:56<Xeross>uh stopping k display manager
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11:57<Xeross>i dont notice anything
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11:57<nubbun>ranix: stop using MSWindows.
11:57<ranix>nubbun: don't be a douche
11:57<nubbun>ranix: or can you remove the password?
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11:58<nubbun>ranix: use NFS?
11:58<ranix><ranix> nubbun: don't be a douche
11:58<nubbun>ranix: MSWindows can mount NFS. (with additional install)
11:59<nubbun>ranix: now you're being the 'douche'. I'm trying to help.
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12:01<Xeross>what is the config file of exim4
12:01<waini>nubbun: i do not know what i should search for
12:01<ranix>nubbun: I am insulted that your first bit of "help" was to suggest I stop using Windows, and the second was to stop using Samba
12:02<nubbun>Xeross: that has more than 1 answer depending upon whether you chose a single or multiple config files.
12:02<Xeross>chose single
12:02<ranix>Xeross: /etc/exim4/exim4.conf or exim4.conf.template
12:02<Xeross>ah template okthx
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12:03<nubbun>ranix: I sympathize with your reaction to my suggesting you stop using MSWindows. Even though , since you reveal that the other computer is your own, it is still my suggestion. The second was purely helpful, even if you continue using MSWindows
12:05<ranix>nubbun: I'm on a company network with mac, windows, and linux computers, and our two file servers are running samba
12:06<ranix>I've simply decided to ditch xfce4 because thunar doesn't support samba
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12:07<nubbun>in konqueror. then it prompts for a pass.
12:07<nubbun>... as I vaguely recall.
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12:08<waini>should there an module "rtc" or "rtc-cmos"???
12:10<Xeross>2008-09-12 18:07:32 1KeBB9-0000S7-VH <= U=root P=local S=315
12:10<Xeross>2008-09-12 18:07:32 1KeBB9-0000S7-VH ** mail domain "" is syntactically invalid
12:10<Xeross>2008-09-12 18:07:32 1KeBBE-0000Tn-Lj Error while reading message with no usable sender address (R=1KeBB9-0000S7-VH): at least one malformed recipient address: - domain missing o$
12:10<Xeross>2008-09-12 18:07:32 1KeBB9-0000S7-VH Process failed (1) when writing error message to (frozen)
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12:10<mylonas>hi everyone
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12:10<Xeross>what does it mena
12:10<mylonas>I have a serious problem with SYSTEM BOOT
12:10<mylonas>can anyone help me?
12:11<MadHag>can I setup boinc on my remote server for when its quiet, which is like a lot of the time :)
12:11<mylonas>sorry for my bad english
12:12<MadHag>whats up
12:13<mylonas>my pc worked great until I changed the case to Cosmos S and the cooling system to waterCooling (Coolmaster Kit)
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12:14<mylonas>everything was great but when i tried to start my pc it seemed like it hadnt any graphic card connected but in almost 2 minutes it started
12:14<mylonas>then a message like the following appeared
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12:15<waini>anyone knows the name of the "new" rtc module??? (at lenny rtc is no more there)
12:16<mylonas>Can anyone help me please?
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12:17<waini>all cables are connected?
12:17<mylonas>waini are you talking to me?
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12:17<mylonas>yes all the cables are connected
12:17<waini>looks like there is no harddisk
12:18<mylonas>i tried to boot from a cd (openSUSE 11)
12:18<waini>hd is present at bios
12:18<mylonas>and everything seemes to be ok
12:19<waini>ide or sata?
12:19<mylonas>but there is something toowierd
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12:19<waini>no ideas
12:19<mylonas>my pc doesnt start before 2 minutes
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12:20<mylonas>waini thanks for the reply
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12:21<mdj> hate yourself is the way
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12:23<hecate>mylonas try to boot on a livecd end re-install grub
12:23<fluxnux>Hi :)
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12:25<variable>after playing with cs on etch may display freezed, then i tryed to logoff, after some time it logged, but now my all icons on display is gone and even when i press right mouse button nothing is happening
12:26<Xeross>hmm my pc used to freeze up sometimes
12:26<Xeross>try to remove usb devices
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12:26<Xeross>my network card prevented grub from starting :S
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12:27<variable>hmm i cannot lunch file browser
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12:29<techbee>hi , i m running etch facing problem with mounting dvds , as most of time i have to mount it manually, but sumtime it mounts automatically too
12:29<techbee>is something problem with pmount ?
12:29<eurisko>hey eveyrone
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12:30<eurisko>i have a room with arround 100 machines, and i have a windows dns server, and linux dhcp server.
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12:31<eurisko>my problem is that before i changed the dns server configuration, all the linux machines where i deleted the /etc/hostname , he automatically resolved his own name
12:31<eurisko>now when i receive my dhcp lease i've got a error
12:31<eurisko>DHCPACK of from
12:31<eurisko>hostname: the specified hostname is invalid
12:32<pyro>I just have installed a new kernel using synaptic ( installing the package called linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686) and the linux headers , because i need them for the wifi pci
12:32<pyro>but when i reboot
12:32<eurisko>and my machine dosen't get the right name on the shell
12:32<pyro>the grub said me error , you need to load the kernel
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12:33<pyro>i had just boot with my old kernel
12:33<pyro>i am using a 32 bits debian
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12:33<pyro>686 is for 64 bits no ?
12:33<eurisko>is for 32 bits
12:34<pyro>so the error is not have been installed a 686 xen kernel
12:34<pyro>i dont know how say i have to load kernel
12:34<pyro>i never had problems upgrading kernel
12:35<pyro>i dont find any in google
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12:36<oipunx>where do you configure the main bootup font/screen size?
12:36<hecate>pyro search for a grub tutorial ;)
12:37<pyro>but the kernel is showed in the grub
12:37<hecate>when grub start push echap u have the menu display and then press e to edit the line to boot....check the path and disk
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12:38<pyro>i will see
12:39<oipunx>anyone know?
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12:40<waini>any ideas why my lenny is unable to wakeup via acpi? (modules looks ok - /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm present)
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12:43<taskman>-9,5ABL EB> @CAA:89
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12:44<taskman>Someone russian?
12:44<techbee>dpkg etch
12:44<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r4>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen
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12:45<acu>suddenly I cannot access my CD/DVDs at all I get Access denied to /media/cdrom0.
12:45<acu>what should I do
12:45<techbee>!tell taskman about russian
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12:46<Strikr>How can you install the glib package without having glib to run ./configure
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12:46<blehdog>are you saying you need glib to run ./configure?
12:47<kapil>acu: are you in the "cdrom" group (check the output of the "id" command)?
12:47<Strikr>is what it tells me yes
12:47<blehdog>what are you installing?
12:47<Strikr>checking for GLIB - version >=
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12:47<blehdog>so install glib
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12:47<Strikr>trying to install glib gives me the same error
12:48<blehdog>what error is that?
12:48<dpkg>[build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
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12:49<Strikr>aahh, thanks
12:49<chealer>Strikr: are you sure you don't already have glib?
12:49<kapil>blehdog, Strikr: actually you need to install the libglib2.0-dev package (and build-essentials)
12:50<acu>kapil: I do not even find the cdrom group
12:50<blehdog>acu: it's there
12:50<chealer>kapil: there's no "build-essentials", only build-essential, and he doesn't need either (nor glib headers)
12:50<blehdog>is there a way to do something like "set affinity" on linux to specify that only one processor be used for a program?
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12:52<themill>blehdog: taskset
12:52<themill>blehdog: it's in the schedutils package
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12:53<jaek>i'm trying to install this package on my 32bit debian lenny... using amd64-libs i should be able to run it right?
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12:54<oipunx>where do you configure the main boot-up font/screen size?
12:54<themill>jaek: does the phrase "square peg, round hole" mean anything to you?
12:55<jaek>themill, um... i don't want to have install 64 bit debian just for this one progam... that is what i thought amd64-libs was for
12:56<acu>kapil: OK, I got it working (I do not know how :)
12:56<chealer>jaek: which Linux image do you use?
12:57<jaek>chealer, what do you mean by image? the hdd image in my virtualbox machine?
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12:57<Xeross>ok exim is working
12:57<Xeross>it sais mail is succesfully sent
12:57<Xeross>but the mail isnt appearing
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12:57<chealer>jaek: the binary image or build
12:58<chealer>jaek: not that
12:58<jaek>oh it was a lenny install cd
13:00<blehdog>themill: i see how that would allow me to change the affinity of an existing task, but the application crashes before i can change it
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13:04<rjent>Greetings, I have an intel atom board that I am netbooting and the sound does not work, it seems to load the modules, but no sound. I am open to any tests or ideas.
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13:05<themill>blehdog: no idea...
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13:11<Xeross>how do i change the exim smtp port
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13:13<Xeross>it sais daemon_smtp_server
13:13<Xeross>but if i add that it makes the config invalid
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13:18<cahoot>rjent: run speaker-test in a terminal
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13:28<Xeross>2008-09-12 19:27:13 1KeCQJ-0003nR-HK <= U=root P=local S=312
13:28<Xeross>does that mean mail succeeded ?
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13:40<RaZ1>hi guys, left click isn;t working on my mouse... any thoughts on how to fix it w/out restarting X?
13:40<RaZ1>oh, & btw, right click & middle aren;t working either
13:40<RaZ1>so the mouse buttons in general
13:41<stevecotton>start xev, and see if the buttons are doing anything
13:42<erKURITA>any chance the mouse got physically damaged?
13:42<RaZ1>having said that, when i do a cat /dev/input/mice you can see the spaces & line br's come up when you clikc the buttons
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13:42<RaZ1>oh and ive checked by using a second mouse, it (both) work fine
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13:42<stevecotton>restarting X is probably the easiest answer
13:43<RaZ1>how do i use xev to test the buttons, sorry never used it before, always tried a cat/dev/input/mice for mouse issues
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13:44<RaZ1>i know restarting X would be easiest, but i'm hoping to salvage a. my crashless record for the past year & b. all my open documents :(
13:45<RaZ1>oh, i know of an idea. does anyone remember how you use you're number keys as a mouse
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13:54<Amaranth>cheers all
13:54<Amaranth>1 question
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13:54<Amaranth>i have a problem when im trying to connect to the internet
13:54<Amaranth>i use debian 4.0 etch kde
13:55<Amaranth>and the network manager shows me that im connected
13:55<Amaranth>100 mb /s
13:55<Amaranth>but the internet is not active
13:55<Amaranth>could it be because the system doesnt recognize the modem?
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13:56<jaek>anyone know how to make module-assistant aware of this new vboxdrv-2.0 module?
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13:59<themill>Amaranth: do you literally mean "modem" as in dial-up internet?
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13:59<chealer>Amaranth: which modem?
13:59<Amaranth>and i use alice in italy
13:59<Amaranth>for windows i need an cd to install a suite
13:59<Amaranth>for the modemù
14:00<themill>is this a usb adsl modem or something?
14:00<Amaranth>but eth
14:00<Amaranth>im connected all of the time
14:00<chealer>jaek: which new vboxdrv-2.0 module?
14:00<Amaranth>but without being able to surf the net
14:00<rjent>cahoot: thanks just a sec and I will try
14:00<svend>Amaranth: are you getting an IP address via DHCP?
14:01<Amaranth>i cant remember all the ip
14:01<svend>Can you ping your gateway (the modem)?
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14:01<Amaranth>ping to my ip?
14:01<Amaranth>the gateway
14:01<Amaranth>i dunno
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14:02<Amaranth>never tried
14:02<svend>To get the gateway address: netstat -rn
14:02<svend>Then: ping gateway-ip-address
14:02<Amaranth>is it does work then what_
14:02<svend>You can ping the gateway IP?
14:02<Amaranth>im on windows now
14:02<daniiel>i'm working on a kernel compile in lenny (kernel 2.6.26) and in the power management i've noticed that apm support seems to have been removed?
14:03<Amaranth>i have to exit for that
14:03<themill>Amaranth: you're currently dual booting?
14:03<Amaranth>from irc
14:03<Amaranth>xp and deb
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14:03<rjent>cahoot: ok, no sound from test
14:03<Amaranth>but i had the same problem with other distros like mandriva
14:03<rjent>cahoot: maybe I am not using the correct device
14:03<Amaranth>and was installed as the only distro
14:03<Amaranth>without xp
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14:04<svend>You have Internet connectivity with XP but not Debian?
14:05<Amaranth>but the modem wass installed from a cd suite on win
14:05<themill>Amaranth: if you can reboot into linux and save the output of: ifconfig -a ; cat /etc/resolv.conf ; route -n and also see if you can go to (google home page)
14:05<Amaranth>without that suite does the same on win
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14:06<svend>The modem _requires_ software installed on Windows to work?
14:06<themill>stick the output of those things into a pastebin and see what we get. If you can also stick the output of the windows command ipconfig /all into a pastebin that would help too.
14:06<themill>Amaranth: ^^
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14:07<Amaranth>back in 10 min
14:07<themill>see you soon....
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14:29<Amaranth>cheers again
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14:32<themill>!wb Amaranth
14:32<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Amaranth has returned!
14:32<techbee>i m thinking to upgrade etch to lenny , anyone recommendation on this
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14:32<themill>Amaranth: (please ask your questions in the channel not in a private message to me. that way when I wander off for dinner, you'll get an answer from soneone else)
14:33<Amaranth>yes i know
14:33<Amaranth>sorry about that
14:33<themill>dpkg: tell techbee about etch->lenny
14:33<Amaranth>i have posted the shell output
14:33<Amaranth>can anyone take a look?
14:33<themill>OK -- where :)
14:33<Amaranth>can i poste the link here?
14:34<themill>please do
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14:35<themill>Amaranth: and could you go to (google home page) when you were running linux?
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14:35<eurisko>someone knows a channel about endian firewall?
14:36<themill>Amaranth: can you pastebin the output of the windows command "ipconfig /all" for us?
14:36<Amaranth>just a sec
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14:43<Amaranth>any use?
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14:50<Amaranth>i guess no one can help
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14:57<gestl>hi folks
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14:58<chealer>Amaranth: what modem do you use?
14:59<gestl>i ve got a strange problem with my debian lenny and xorg .. i changed nothing onto the system but i am only able to startx when logged in as root
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14:59<gestl>with normal user privileges no kdm login / startx possible / no errormessages :/
14:59<mykhi>hi, i just installed thru apt-get bootsplash and bootsplash and bootsplash-theme-debian. i have kernel with bood up logo built-in. what else i have to do to get bootsplash?
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15:00<Amaranth>chealer the one from alice
15:00<Amaranth>in italy
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15:00<chealer>Amaranth: which model?
15:00<Amaranth>dunno many things about it
15:00<Amaranth>just a sec
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15:02<Amaranth>alice gate 2 Plus WiFi
15:02<Amaranth>thats the modem name
15:02<nubbun>hi Amaranth. Alice uses PPPOE
15:02<Amaranth>so i should get pppoe installed
15:02<Amaranth>and try after
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15:03<Amaranth>ok.. thanks
15:03<Amaranth>be back in 10 min
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15:04<marcot>Hello, is there a way to change aptitude's colors?
15:04<marcot>I'd like to have the background color set to default, so that it'd be transparent.
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15:11<ircMonkey>Do you know why there is no jedit package on debian repository?
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15:14<Myon>ircMonkey: you could be the maintainer!
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15:15<ircMonkey>Myon: You don't see any other reason
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15:16<aptituz>ircMonkey: well, till now because it depended on the sun jre which isn't in debian. but now there is a openjdk which sshould be compatible, so what Myon says..
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15:17<Myon>google doesn't give any obvious answers on first glance
15:17<Myon>usually that means no one has tried to get it in yet
15:18<ircMonkey>All right, I won't be the maintainer
15:18<aptituz>well I was interested in maintaining it some months ago, but lost interest, because it was totally incompatible with gcj
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15:20<Lethalman>aptituz, what's sun-java6-jre in debian then?
15:20<Myon>that's in non-free
15:20<Lethalman>ah ok
15:21<Lethalman>so jedit can't be packaged because it's free and depends on non-free?
15:21<Harrison>Could anyone recommend a bittorrent client for me? I'm looking for something that's fullly-featured with a lot of options.
15:21<ircMonkey>it would be contrib?
15:21<Lethalman>Harrison, check out deluge
15:21<Harrison>I'm looking at that right now, but it doesn't have that many options .... does it?
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15:22<aptituz>Lethalman: it could be packaged in contrib
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15:25<Harrison>What about torrentflux---has anyone tried it?
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16:00<nasso>does anyone know how to list what swapfiles/partitions are active on a system?
16:01<nasso>like df but for swap :)
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16:02<cel937>I'm very new to linux and just installed debian. I have it up and running and have installed many packages, such as typo3. I see that typo3 is installed but I don't see it in the windows menu. How do I activate installed packages?
16:02*KangarooBox is away: Away
16:02<nasso>i have several swapfiles on my system, i want to see which ones are active and how much they are used
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16:03<hecate>cat /proc/swaps ?
16:04<nasso>hecate, awsome :)
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16:08<nasso>cel937, can you start typo3 in a terminal?
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16:15*egns a comer, saludos
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16:17<ji>HI guys... can someone help me with md and reshaping?
16:17<ji>(please :) )
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16:21<ji>nobody seems to be alive here :(
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16:22<nasso>im alive but know nothing about md ;)
16:23<ji>zombie... must eat brains...
16:23<cel937>Hi, I"ve installed typo3 via the terminal but I don't see it in the menu
16:23<nasso>can you run it through the terminal?
16:24<nasso>type typo3 in a terminal
16:24<cel937>no other commands, just the name of the program?
16:24<nasso>oh, its a blogging-system... i guess you have to install it to run on a webserver
16:25<nasso>did you follow a guide to install it?
16:25<cel937>no guide, but I have apache running
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16:26<nasso>did you apt-get typo3?
16:26<ji>well, apt-get install typo3
16:26<ji>(but you knew that)
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16:27<cel937>yes, i did that but nothing
16:27<nasso>does that install it so that it runs under apache or does it just download the source?
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16:27<cel937>it just download the source
16:28<nasso>then you need to move the source to the directory used by apache for webpages
16:28<cel937>oh okay, how do i do that?
16:29<aetheria>could a RT kernel patch have any effect on the fact that a 7GB transfer between 2 external hi-speed USB drives takes over 1 hour?
16:29<nasso>i think you have to fix permissions too
16:29<cel937>thanks for the url - i'll look at that
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16:30<nasso>i could be easier to just "apt-get remove typo3" and just follow that guide and download the source from their webpage
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16:31<cel937>i think i'll just move the files to the apache folder but just need to know which program will help me to do that
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16:31<zeta>I can't seem to do apt-get install madwifi-tools
16:31<zeta>what should I add to my sources.list?
16:31<nasso>if you use a terminal the mv command moves files
16:31<cel937>great, thanks
16:32<cel937>so give example of how to use that command
16:32<nasso>there should be a graphical filemanager in your system too
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16:32<m>cel937, man mv
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16:32<nasso>mv /home/user/file1 /media/disk/
16:33<nasso>that will move file1 from /home/user to /media/disk/
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16:33<zeta>where do i get madwifi-tools
16:34<path>aetheria, it could certainly :-)
16:34<upsilon>it's in contrib
16:34<cel937>thanks nasso
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16:35<zeta>upsilon: so what line do i add to the sources.list?>
16:35<zeta>it also can't find svn
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16:37<upsilon>you have deb http://ftp.** * main ?
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16:37<cel937>which program will help me to work with files on the apache server
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16:39<zeta>deb lenny main
16:39<zeta>is what i have
16:39<upsilon>change to deb lenny main contrib non-free
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16:40<zeta>i added stable main contrib non-free
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16:42<zeta>it's saying that it can't find linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64
16:43<zeta>when do m-a prepare
16:43<Myon>zeta: lenny is not yet stable
16:43<upsilon>oh, that too.
16:43<zeta>then what should I do to get my linux-headers
16:44<nasso>im tearing my hair of here. rtorrent just suddenly started to use alot of cpu. out of nowhere. have 60 days of uptime without any problems and resonable cpu-usage and now it avg loads at 3.0-4.0 :(
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16:44<Myon>revert that sources.list change
16:44<Myon>and listen to what upsilon said
16:44<upsilon>just use deb lenny main contrib non-free ?
16:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
16:46<zeta>I have deb lenny main contrib non-free added to my sources.list, did an apt-get update, but still can't find linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64
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16:48<upsilon>hm, my aptitude doesn't see that package
16:48<daniiel>try apt-cache search linux-headers
16:48<Myon>upgrade to a recent kernel
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16:48<daniiel>and did you update apt?
16:48<Myon>you are running a kernel that was in lenny a while back, but now got removed
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16:49<Myon>or poke if you find the package there
16:49<nasso>i have run rtorrent on a machine with 32mb RAM for more then 6 months with lots of swap-usage. have had one part of a usb-key dedicated to swap the whole time. thats a lot of wear and tear. starting to get problems now. i wonder if that is covered by kingstons lifetime warranty :P
16:49<zeta>ok i just did an apt-get upgrade
16:49<zeta>hopefully that updated my kernel
16:49<zeta>i'm going to reboot, do i need to edit anything in GRUB?
16:49<daniiel>i still see it
16:49<upsilon>don't think so
16:49<Myon>you could have read the actual screen output
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16:50<daniiel>oops your right, no 2.6.24
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16:51<daniiel>so zeta, update to 2.6.26-1
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16:51<daniiel>then get the kernel headers for it
16:51<Myon>he's left
16:51<daniiel>aww, oh well
16:51<Myon>but it won't work the way he did
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16:52<zeta>ok apt-get upgrade didn't update my kernel to 6.26
16:52<zeta>i'm on 6.24
16:52<daniiel>i've noticed that while compiling my kernel (2.6.26 i386) apm is no longer supported by the kernel?
16:52<Myon>zeta: btw, why didn't you *read* what apt-get upgrade told you?
16:53<zeta>The following packages have been kept back:
16:53<zeta> linux-image-2.6-amd64
16:53<Myon>apt-get dist-upgrade
16:53<zeta>ok =) thanks
16:53<zeta>pardon my ignorance
16:54<daniiel>there is no ignorance in learning
16:56<ranix>so dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in lenny doesn't do what I expect it to from my several years of running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfoo
16:56<daniiel>say screen resolution?
16:56<ranix>I get a random generic xorg.conf with a lot of "configured monitor" stuff
16:56<ranix>like maybe 30 lines total
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16:57<ranix>doesn't ask me for refresh rates or max resolution or what driver to use
16:57<ranix>it just goes
16:57<ranix>I have no idea why it works right now
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16:57<Myon>in theory everything should work without config
16:57<daniiel>xrander (or is it xrender) is now in charge of screen resolution
16:57<ranix>it kind of does, which is amazing
16:57<ranix>but, how do I get dual screens
16:57<Myon>they put reasonable defaults everywhere, and X actually talks to your monitor
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17:00<ranix>thanks Myon
17:00<ranix>I appreciate that
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17:00<ranix>x is making crazy progress in the last couple years
17:01<ranix>forking xfree86 was a good idea
17:02<berkut>Hi people - I have a strange problem with my notebook (debian etch) all of a sudden it does not want to read the usb sticks. either it does not want to mount them saying "bad blocks, not suported fs-type etc, or, another case, it mounts the usbdisk, but states that there are 200 text files access denied, created in 1954. I guess something is wrong with /dev/sda ? if yes, can it be repaired without re-installing the OS?
17:03<Myon>does that happen with all sticks?
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17:03<Myon>can you read that stick on a different machine?
17:03<zeta>the freenode #debian is not the same as the debian #debian? O_o
17:04<dpkg>freenode is, like, a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
17:04<Myon> is not freenode
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17:05<upsilon>huh way more people over there
17:05<berkut>Myon: yes it happens with all sticks (three actually) and on two other machines (desktops) they are read perfectly
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17:06<qq->on all is the same kernel ?
17:06<Myon>could be a hardware problem
17:06<berkut>Myon: more than that, I have also XP on my notebook, and it reads the usb disk without problems
17:07<berkut>that is why I think the hardware problem is not that probable
17:07<Myon>if you think a particular package is borken, you can reinstall it by apt-get install --reinstall $pkg
17:08<berkut>yeah )
17:08<Myon>but... it might still be a hardware problem with different USB modes or whatever
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17:10<qq->berkut: on all machines is the same kernel ?
17:11<daniiel>berkut: are you using the stock debian kernel, or did you recompile one?
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17:11<berkut>qq - not exactly. the notebook has the oldest version of the etch and actually from the very beginning it was slightly strange- i had to mount the USB stick manually, it was not automatic. but it was ok as long as it worked...
17:12<berkut>daniiel - no I never recompile kernels i am not good enough
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17:17<nasso>berkut, you could try to run a live-cd system on you computer and see if the usb-keys work there
17:18<nasso>if it does, it is a software problem, if it doesnt its a hardware problem
17:18<nasso>probably ;)
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17:18<berkut>nasso yeah maybe it is a good idea
17:19<berkut>and what about re installing the deb?
17:19<nasso>its probably the easiest way to check if you have a live-cd laying around
17:20<nasso>you could try that but you have to ask someone else about that debs to reinstall,i dont know.
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17:27<dli>is Mac G5 still the same arch(powerpc) as G4?
17:27<berkut>will try to find the live cd I think I had Knoppix
17:28<berkut>or are there better systsms? i remember knoppix was not easy
17:28<dli>berkut, debian live works for me
17:28<dpkg>i guess debian-live is live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is gaining significant functionality and stability as development continutes. Homepage: , or irc://
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17:31<Harrison>Hello, I need to do a re-install of debian on a laptop---but I need the bcm43xx firmware for the laptops wireless card, so that I may have internet access.
17:31<Harrison>Ethernet access isn't available... I've only internet through wireless... Can someone tell me how I can set up an install so that I can load the system with the necessary software?
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17:32<berkut>dli - ok will try it
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17:33<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed in 2.6.26.
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17:35<Harrison>Why was the driver removed?
17:35<Harrison>I installed the bcm43xx what I have now with bcm43xx-fwcutter...
17:35<Harrison>Am I using something that's outdated?
17:36<dli>Harrison, I think there's a new driver in kernel
17:36<Harrison>Oh so it's included with Lenny?
17:36<daniiel>yes i think so too, bcm43xx is in the kernel
17:37<Harrison>I don't think it was in Lenny when I downloaded it a few months ago... So you're saying that it's been added to Lenny recenty?
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17:37<daniiel>lemme check my kernel, one sec..
17:37<dli>Harrison, the new name is b43
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17:38<dli>Harrison, you need the b43-fwcutter package
17:38<dpkg>hmm... b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (, included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). Supported devices list at Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver.
17:39<Harrison>Yeah I know... that's what I'm using right now. But my question is... how can I re-install debian, and have the system come up with that package installed and most importantly, my wireless card working
17:39<Harrison>The reason I want to do this is because I do not have access to an ethernet connection, so if I reinstall and don't have internet, I've no way to install internet.
17:39<dli>Harrison, I guess the firmware is not included in the debian cd, is that the problem? you can save the firmware files in your small /boot partition
17:43<Harrison>Okay, so the files I need aren't included in the kernel?
17:43<Harrison>What about what dpkg is saying? What's that about?
17:43<daniiel>you have to use fwcutter
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17:43<themill>why reinstall at all?
17:43<dli>Harrison, or a usb-stick, anywhere, you can boot cd, and copy the files to fight position, (/lib/firmware/ ?)
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17:43<Harrison>Because I want to combine the multiple partitions I have into one.
17:43<Harrison>Is b43 the new driver for the broadcom wireless chips, and is it not included in the lenny kernel?
17:43<dli>Harrison, that makes sense, I love one big / + small /boot
17:43<daniiel>the firmware is available here:
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17:44<dli>Harrison, looks lenny has b43
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17:45<Harrison>Was this a recent addition? And does this mean that if I download the latest copy of lenny, do a clean install, and then reboot, that I'll have a working wireless card?
17:46<qq->dli: G4/5 are powerpc maybe powerpc64 on latest
17:46<qq-> maybe + *
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17:47<themill>Harrison: aiui, the new driver still needs non-free firmware that won't be on the cd you download.
17:48<qq->Harrison: no, you still need to configure wl
17:48<Harrison>Ah, okay.
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17:48<dli>qq-, I don't see powerpc64, only powerpc in the list:
17:48<Harrison>So what's the best way to do this (e.g., do a clean install and being able to have my wireless card working afterward) Remember, that I don't have an ethernet connection.
17:49<daniiel>save the firmware and fwcutter .deb
17:49<qq->dli: i never used G4/5
17:49<daniiel>to external storage
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17:51<pyro>when you compile a aplication like gimp 2.5 , and you want to add some pluggins you have to add them prior compiling no ?
17:51<qq->dli: but linux-image-2.6.18-6-powerpc64 exist on repos
17:51<dli>Harrison, since you have firmware on your hard drive right now, boot debian cd, mount hard drive, cp files from mount point to /, umount, modprobe b43, done
17:52<Harrison>Okay... I need to make sure I haven't lost you there... I put the cd in and boot from it... I got that
17:52<qq->so must be included on powerpc image
17:52<Harrison>but how do I mount the hard drive???
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17:53<dli>Harrison, find the device name: like dmesg, or "ls -l /dev/disk/*"
17:53<dli>Harrison, you can Ctl-Alt-F1 etc, to console
17:53<Harrison>Okay, ... yeah that's just what I was going to ask
17:54<Harrison>but at what time should I invoke those commands? anytime after it boots?
17:54<qq-> Ctl-Alt-F2 and Ctl-Alt-F3
17:54<dli>qq-, could be, but I need a bootable cd first, powerpc cd doesn't boot on my g5
17:54<qq->ah ...
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17:58<qq->Harrison: you perform that mount just before (hold on on this step )"Finishing installation" , and pass to console Ctl-Alt-F2 or/and Ctl-Alt-F3
17:58<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to make the sound output from a game (mirrormagic in this case) come from a different sound card?
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17:59<Harrison>but wouldn't it have allready erased that hard drive partition by then?????
17:59<qq->dli: even a debian-live ?
18:01<dli>qq-, I don't have a running g5, so, no way to make-live, they don't release powerpc iso
18:01<dli>Harrison, no, it erases when you tell it to do so
18:01<qq->Harrison: it's depends of your partitionment
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18:01<dli>Harrison, you can copy the files after cd boots up
18:01<Harrison>I want to make just one big partition... or maybe a seperate /var and /home
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18:02<Harrison>And I copy just to /
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18:02<dli>Harrison, personal preferences, all my notebooks have 3 partitions, /, /boot, and swap
18:02<qq->dli: The currently supported architectures are: i386, amd64, sparc and powerpc. >
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18:03<dli>Harrison, copy to the same location, relative to your mounting point
18:03<Harrison>What do you mean?
18:03<dli>Harrison, like from /mnt/my_hdd/lib/firmware/* to /lib/firmware/
18:03<Harrison>You're losing me here...
18:03<mehtor_>i installed a program with wine. then i went to uninstall it and it doesn't seem to want to uninstall. "wine exited with a succesful status", but the program is still there. is this normal?
18:04<dli>Harrison, have you gotten it mounted, and found the files?
18:04<Harrison>I'm using the laptop right now ...
18:05<Harrison>I want to do a clean install on this same laptop
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18:06<dli>Harrison, you have no other machine to use?
18:06<Harrison>Unfortunately no.
18:06<dli>Harrison, then, you'd better write down a howto before hand
18:06<Harrison>i'm taking notes
18:07<dli>Harrison, find your hard drive device (it's probably the same on livecd)
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18:08<dli>Harrison, locate your firmware files, use "dpkg -c", or just go to /lib/firmware/ and check
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18:09<Harrison>I thought I'd download the bcm43xx-fwcutter package ... then the required firmware files since I won't have internetaccess (following this post:
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18:09<Harrison>And copy both of those to say ~/Desktop where I know I'll be able to find it...
18:10<dli>Harrison, you can "dpkg -i " the .deb file
18:11<Harrison>but how exactly am I going to get this onto the new partition? If it's going to erase everything when it installs the new?
18:11<dli>Harrison, at least, "dpkg -x", if "dpkg --force-all -i " doesn't work
18:12<dli>Harrison, boot debian cd, go to console by ctl-alt-f2
18:12<Harrison>okay got it
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18:13<dli>Harrison, mount the old / by something like: "mkdir -p /mnt/my_hdd;mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/my_hdd", of course, find out your own device name
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18:13<Harrison>It's /dev/hda6
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18:14<Harrison>and then I have broadcom-wl- and bc43-fwcutter_0115_powerpc.deb
18:14<dli>Harrison, is it for powerpc?
18:15<Harrison>which? The b43-fwcutter is.
18:15<Harrison>I just got it off the debian site... but the broadcom... I got it from this post
18:15<pyro>to add a pluggin to gimp if you have to copy some files to the gimp directory previously to compile it no ? (the 2.5.3 version is not yet in debian servers , only in gimp page as source)
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18:16<dli>Harrison, just copy the current files in use: find them in /lib/firmware: "cp -av /mnt/my_hdd/lib/firmware/* /lib/firmware/"
18:16<Harrison>okay and use those along with the b43-fwcutter package I downloaded?
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18:16<dli>Harrison, you use the driver from debian cd
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18:17<dli>Harrison, and supply the firmware manually
18:17<Harrison>Oh okay, but I should download a current lenny, right?
18:17<dli>Harrison, yes, but better the same kernel you are running now
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18:17<Harrison>How would I know if the lenny I download is different than the lenny I have now?
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18:18<Harrison>I have b43 b43legacy and usb8388.bin in /lib/firmware... should I copy all?
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18:21<Harrison>dli, since I'm going to the trouble.... Why don't I just download the DVD images of Lenny, and copy them to a partition... and have apt without the need to access the internet.
18:21<Harrison>Do people do this?
18:21<themill>Harrison: no... generally just download the minimum required to get the network connected and then let aptitude download what I actually want.
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18:22<Harrison>but that'd be cool though, right?
18:22<qq->no, because of license
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18:22<themill>Harrison: no... you'd end up downloading lots of useless junk that you never want to use.
18:23<dli>Harrison, debian contains only free software
18:23<Harrison>Why are you telling me this
18:23<dli>Harrison, the firmwares are probably non-free
18:23<Harrison>I see
18:23<themill>Harrison: You also wouldn't have contrib and non-free. So you still wouldn't have your firmware.
18:23<Harrison>Good thinking.
18:23<dli>Harrison, that's the source of all trouble, so your situation is quite normal
18:23<themill>[22:47] <themill> Harrison: aiui, the new driver still needs non-free firmware that won't be on the cd you download.
18:24<Harrison>dli, which ones Do I need to copy out of /lib/firwmare? b43 or bcm43xx ?
18:24<Harrison>SORRY: correction: b43legacy OR b43
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18:24<themill>There was some talk about making a lenny installer that either had firmware on it or could trivially accept firmware on a usb stick, but I'm not sure if that's happening or not in the end.
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18:25<dli>Harrison, "cp -a /mnt/my_hdd/lib/firmware/* /lib/firmware/", doesn't hurt, not sure you have to "mkdir /lib/firmware" or not
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18:25<Harrison>So I need both? /lib/firwmare/b43 and /lib/firmware/b43legacy ?
18:27<dli>Harrison, as I said, why care? cp -a
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18:27<dli>Harrison, after that, "modprobe b43", get network, "iwlist/iwconfig/dhclient"
18:28<Harrison>I'd say, because it's more efficient to only have the things you need dli, but then I just said it'd be cool to copy all three lenny DVDs to a separate partition because it would be "cool".
18:28<oipunx>does anyone know where htop stores the settings?
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18:28<Harrison>after I mod probe b43, does it persist after reboot?
18:29<dli>Harrison, everything I said is for you to do after you boot cd
18:29<qq->no, need to be added in /etc/modules
18:30<dli>Harrison, your b43 is obviously loaded already, since it's your only way online, hate to mention
18:30<Harrison>You're correct.
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18:30<Harrison>Oh okay, so doing this, I'm going to have internet while I'm installing ??? right???
18:33<dli>Harrison, check how you get connected now, "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
18:33<Harrison>Through wlan0...
18:33<dli>Harrison, get essid, etc
18:33<Harrison>wpa-driver wext
18:34<dli>Harrison, make sure you know how to run them on livecd
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18:34<Harrison>I've not done it before... but would it would similar to how you showed me to copy over /lib/firmware ?
18:34<Harrison>and if so, would that then allow me an active internet connection while installing?
18:35<themill>you'd need the wpa tools too, I imagine
18:35<Harrison>I'll just download that and then install it in tty2 ?
18:35<Harrison>Or would I run into dependency problems?
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18:36<dli>Harrison, I suppose the livecd contains wpa-supplicant
18:36<Harrison>Okay, so I just put the cd it... it loads... then I tty2 and install wpa-supplicant, copy firmware, etc?
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18:40<dli>Harrison, I think the installer knows about wap
18:40<dli>Harrison, wpa
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18:40<Harrison>so just apt-get install wpa-supplicant?
18:40<dli>Harrison, but you need the PSK keys, etc
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18:41<dli>Harrison, no, it's in livecd
18:41<Harrison>Okay, how do I do this?
18:41<oipunx>does anyone know where htop stores the settings?
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18:42<abrotman>oipunx: .htop ?
18:42<oipunx>the process viewer thing
18:42<oipunx>hm why isnt my lspci workin
18:43<Harrison>try it as root
18:43<oipunx>i did
18:43<oipunx>cmd not found
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18:43<abrotman>oipunx: .htoprc
18:43<oipunx>ok thanks
18:43<abrotman>did you install it ?
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18:43<oipunx>it's in pciutils right?
18:43<abrotman>htop .. no
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18:43<abrotman>!info htop etch
18:44<oipunx>no i mean lspci
18:44<abrotman>oh yes
18:44<dpkg>htop: (interactive processes viewer), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 168 kB
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18:45<oipunx>oh i got it
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18:46<Harrison>dli ... is there anything else I should know before trying this/
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18:47<dli>Harrison, if you know your WPA, just boot, after you load b43, livecd, should get network
18:48<Harrison>You mean I don't have to install wpasupplicant?
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18:57<r00t>WHY is it in etch that I change the prompt in /etc/profile
18:57<r00t>and it DOESNT CHANGE
18:57<r00t>I do it in /etc/bash.bashrc
18:57<r00t>and NO CHANGE
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18:57<r00t>there is NO WAY to customize the prompt in etch
18:57<r00t>what the HELL is this?
18:57<themill>r00t: do you have a ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc?
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18:57<themill>r00t: btw less shouting, more listening. Many people have customised their prompts in etch.
18:58<r00t>I don't
18:58<daniiel>your user account, not the root one
18:58<r00t>I do not
18:58<daniiel>edit the .bashrc
18:58<r00t>and I want to customize it for EVERYONE
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18:58<daniiel>then cp it into your root directory
18:58<r00t>not just one bashuser
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18:58<r00t>why is it that the PS1= stuff does not work in /etc/profile anymore
18:58<r00t>in previous stable distros it did
18:58<r00t>now it doesn't anymore in etch
18:58<themill>how are you testing this?
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18:59<r00t>because my oldstable box CRASHED
18:59<r00t>(hdd 6 yrs old)
18:59<r00t>and I'm making a new server with etch
18:59<r00t>and you CANNOT customize the commandline system wide
18:59<themill>r00t: less with the caps lock, less with the rambling and ranting, more with the listening and more with the answering questions.
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18:59<abrotman>maybe he should read .bashrc ?
18:59<r00t>(this is for ssh users btw)
18:59<themill>r00t: [23:58] <themill> how are you testing this?
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18:59*abrotman is slow
19:00<r00t>themill: I just told you
19:00<r00t>logging in with my user account
19:00<r00t>over ssh
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19:00<daniiel>/etc/bash.bashrc ?
19:00<r00t>I tired editing /etc/bash.bashrc
19:00<r00t>doesn't do anything
19:00<r00t>nothing works
19:00<r00t>it's not standard anymore
19:00<r00t>they changed things
19:01<r00t>daniiel: what do I do?
19:01<r00t>why doesn't it work
19:01<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
19:01<abrotman>apparently tired of reading
19:01<r00t>it's not in color
19:02<r00t>I have a color bash line
19:02<r00t>and it does not pick it up
19:02<abrotman>your terminal sucks?
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19:02<r00t>PS1='\[\033[0m\]\[\033[1;30m\][\l]\[\033[0m\]\[\033[1;34m\][\u@\h:\w]$\[\033[0m\] '
19:02<r00t>does nothing
19:02<r00t>abrotman: I tried adding random chars like xxx
19:02<r00t>doesn't change when I login
19:02<jaek>what "ntp" package do i have to install to get the gnome time and date thing to sync?
19:02<r00t>nothing I do customizes the thing
19:03<r00t>that doesn't exist
19:03<themill>r00t: having logged in, what happens if you export PS1='... that pile of junk ...' ?
19:03<abrotman>yes it does
19:03<abrotman>or you're not running Debian
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19:03<r00t>do you understand what nexuizserv@caethaver2:~$ export PS1="..."
19:03<r00t>nexuizrelease nexuizsvn
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19:03<r00t>nexuizserv@caethaver2:~$ export PS1="..."
19:03<daniiel>i know if you edit a users .bashrc it displays color, you comment out two lines, and uncomment one, the instructions are there (in etch)
19:03<r00t>export works
19:03<abrotman>oh screw it
19:03<themill>dpkg: tell r00t about paste
19:03<themill>r00t: stop pissing us off and you might get an answer
19:03<abrotman>it's a wonder the germans ever got online :)
19:04<r00t>the shell do execute /etc/profile
19:04<abrotman>i gave him the answer already
19:04<r00t>as if I put echo hi
19:04<r00t>it has "hi" printed in the login
19:04<r00t>but the PS1 stuff will not change the damn prompt nomatter what I do
19:04<r00t>why doesn't it work?
19:04<r00t>it USED TO WORK
19:04<abrotman>!tell r00t about enter
19:05<r00t>what the fuck did debian do to make it not work anymore
19:05<r00t>hasn't anyone else had this problem?
19:05<themill>r00t: can you please pastebin the output of: ls -l ~/.bash*
19:05<abrotman>oh i know why!
19:07<daniiel>r00t, you need a valium or two
19:07<syntax_>r00t, glad you're not my system administrator. some don't care for a colorful prompt
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19:08<r00t>syntax_: I'm glad I'm rich enough to afford my own computer
19:08<themill>so which bit of .bashrc and .bash_profile: [00:03] <r00t> that doesn't exist
19:09<r00t>in the past
19:09<r00t>I could change the /etc/profile
19:09<r00t>and that would make the prompt change color
19:09<abrotman>hey i know ...
19:09<r00t>now I can't do that because debian gives a .bash_rc per user
19:09<themill>r00t: but you have a .bashrc that is overriding that.
19:09<syntax_>r00t, that has nothing to do with an evil sys admin shoving what he thinks looks good down everyones throat?
19:09<r00t>do I have to use the skel files?
19:10<themill>r00t: you can edit the skel files.
19:10<abrotman>r00t: PAY ATTENTION
19:10<abrotman>r00t: edit $HOME/.bashrc
19:10<abrotman>stop messing wiht other files
19:10<r00t>abrotman: I want to edit it for ALL users
19:10<themill>abrotman: he wants to fuck with every user's prompt at once.
19:10<r00t>and all future users
19:10<abrotman>r00t: find+sed .. have a nice day
19:10<r00t>It's my server
19:10<abrotman>for future users .. /etc/skel/.bashrc
19:10<r00t>no new users yet
19:10<r00t>the old server had 300
19:11<r00t>it's gone now
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19:11<abrotman>for future users .. /etc/skel/.bashrc
19:11<r00t>hdd died
19:11<oipunx>whats this /emul/ directory in my main?
19:11<abrotman>for future users .. /etc/skel/.bashrc
19:11<abrotman>!tell r00t about enter
19:11<themill>r00t: stop rambling ffs.
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19:11<oipunx>shows up after install nvidia driver
19:12<syntax_>oipunx, anything in it?
19:12<r00t>would it be ok to delete /etc/skel/.bashrc?
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19:13<oipunx>and bunch of lib***.so
19:13<oipunx>is it safe to remove it?
19:13<abrotman>r00t: no
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19:15<r00t>I do
19:15<r00t>but when I connect
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19:15<r00t>it's just... black and white stuff
19:15<r00t>it doesn't start a virtual server
19:15<r00t>what do I do?
19:16<themill>r00t: please try to compose your thoughts into a sentence and take fewer lines to say things.
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19:17<r00t>ok, I want it to do this (it used to in the olddebian): you execute vncserver :number and then you can vncviewer server:number and have a desktop
19:17<r00t>that no longer works
19:17<oipunx>is it better to install amd64 ?
19:17<r00t>it just gives a worthless black and white vnc screen
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19:24<r00t>PLEASE HELP
19:25<r00t>New 'X' desktop is caethaver2:1
19:25<r00t>Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession
19:25<r00t>it's just BLANK
19:25<r00t>there is NOTHING
19:25<r00t>why doesn't this work anymore
19:25<r00t>it worked yesterday
19:25<r00t>why doesn't it woooorrrkkkkk
19:26<syntax_>r00t, looks like your ticket has expired
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19:33<syntax_>after a reboot, I found that /dev/md6 (which holds /usr data) wasn't mounting due to file system errors. I tried to fsck it but reiserfsprogs wasn't installed. I can't dpkg -i reiserfsprogs because dpkg lives under /usr. any clues how I can recover from this?
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19:34<daniiel>a live cd
19:34<syntax_>but the device is an md
19:34<syntax_>how would a LiveCD know about the md config?
19:35<daniiel>software raid?
19:36<daniiel>is the md config also on the md device?
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19:38<LarsEee>hey. got a problem with my 701, Xorg and AltGr+something keyboard shortcuts. e.g. for pipe i have to use Fn+altgr+y (german kbd layout). but in X this doesn't work. i have to keep hitting altgr+8 to get [ loads of times and if i then quickly hit the stuff for pipe i get it. it's the same for all other altgr+ keys, e.g. backslash. and it works just fine in textmode and cat, so it should be xorg related
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19:39<syntax_>daniiel, I think the config file lies under /etc. it's been ages since I've dealt with md
19:40<syntax_>yeah, they're under /etc
19:40<oipunx>syntax_: do u run amd64
19:40<daniiel>this help?:
19:40<syntax_>oipunx, on this box, yes
19:40<oipunx>is it any better than 32bit?
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19:40<syntax_>oipunx, are you trying to access more than 4GB RAM?
19:41<Pryon>Your wild pointers have a lot more bad addresses at which to point
19:41<oipunx>yeah i have more than 4gb ram
19:41<syntax_>daniiel, thanks, I'll have a look at that
19:41<syntax_>oipunx, then you need a 64-bit OS
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19:41<oipunx>i messed up install nvidia driver
19:41<oipunx>now it's not working anymore :(
19:42<oipunx>how do you uninstall it
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19:44<daniiel>how did you install the nvidia driver?
19:44<oipunx>i followed this guide
19:44<Gorthax>good ol nvid proprietary
19:45<oipunx>for stock with m-a(lenny)
19:47<chealer>oipunx: you unlikely need to uninstall. check
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19:47<daniiel>the debian way or the nvidia way?
19:48<oipunx>debian way
19:48<daniiel>using module assistant?
19:49<oipunx>well first i used that
19:49<oipunx>then i used m-a(lenny
19:49<oipunx>cuz i didnt see that
19:49<daniiel>does lsmod | grep nv return nv?
19:49<daniiel>whats not working accceleration? compositing?
19:50<oipunx>x doesnt start
19:50<oipunx>everything looks right in xorg.conf
19:50<daniiel>did you run the nvidia-xconfig?
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19:52<daniiel>check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:52<daniiel>whats it say
19:52<Xeross>is there a command that outputs a unix timestamp ?
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19:53<oipunx>oooh it says: nvidia gpu not supported by 173.14.09 driver :(
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19:54<oipunx>hmm i thought that version supports my gpu
19:54<Xeross>oipunx what video card do you have
19:54<oipunx>evga gtx280
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19:55<daniiel>what's gpu? haha
19:55<oipunx>graphic processing unit
19:55<oipunx>aka graphic card
19:55<daniiel>what card do you have?
19:56<Xeross>the newest one
19:56<oipunx>evga gtxx280
19:56<chealer>oipunx: which video chipset do you use?
19:56<Xeross>u need 177.13
19:57<Xeross>did you install from a package
19:57<oipunx>there's not a non-proprietary driver for that?
19:57<Xeross>a what ?
19:57<oipunx>i got the pgk from here
19:57<daniiel>nvidia has a linux driver
19:57<daniiel>for that card
19:58<oipunx>yeah but i dont wanna use theirs
19:58<Xeross>you need to use the official ones
19:58<daniiel> might have to, that card being fancy new and all
19:58<Xeross>from nvidia website
19:58<chealer>oipunx: there is
19:58<Xeross>i tried using the package version of my driver
19:59<Xeross>it didnt work
19:59<Xeross>so i used nvidias setup
19:59<oipunx>hm so how do i uninstall the current one
19:59<daniiel>i wish i could upgrade the video card in my laptop=P
19:59<daniiel>1024x768 is pretty small these days
20:00<Xeross>i run at 1600X1200 at server
20:00<Xeross>and 2560X1024 at home
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20:04<GoinEasy9>have you tried using sgfxi to install the nvidia driver? It cleans up the old binary blob before it installs the new one
20:04<oipunx>ja still looks like a bunch of things left here
20:04<chealer>oipunx: why would you need to uninstall?
20:05<daniiel>so compiling a 2.6.26 kernel i've noticed that apm support seems to have been removed from the kernel? but my old laptop uses apm.
20:05<oipunx>to clean out the stuffz that doesnt work
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20:06<daniiel>and apmd doesn't seem to work now, without kernel support.
20:06<chealer>oipunx: remove the packages and rollback your X configuration
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20:54<oipunx>mm cheetos
20:54<oipunx>it aint easy being cheesy
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21:02<syntax_>damn reiserfs to hell
21:02<disgrntld>he could work on it down there
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21:17<syntax_>kill -9 reiser
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21:34<oipunx>wheres the config for rxvt stored at?
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22:25<dli>which package for "man gcc" ?
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22:35<Chupaguig>dli : apt-get install gcc
22:35<Chupaguig>after man gcc :)
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22:51<user_lenny_live>hello world
22:53<user_lenny_live>oops , wrong channel
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22:56<diego>hi there, I have a problem, sound works on totem and nowhere else :(
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22:57<diego__>hi there, I have a problem, sound works on totem and nowhere else :(
22:57<diego__>anyone here?
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22:58<diego__>hi, anyone here ?
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22:59<diego__>my sound is working on totem but no other program since I updated
22:59<diego__>I think it was OSS
22:59<diego__>or something
22:59<diego__>help :( ?
23:00<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on
23:00<qq->I use alsa instead of oss
23:01<snogglethorpe>qq-: does anyone actually use oss anymore?
23:01<qq->and it works for all
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23:01<qq->snogglethorpe: i dunno
23:01<drag>snogglethorpe: yes.
23:01<drag>oss is now completely open source
23:03<drag>diego: do you have any sound services running? like pulseaudio or artsd (if your running kde)
23:03<drag>those can block other apps from accessing the sound card.
23:05<diego__>options snd-hda-intel model=3stack
23:05<diego__>it was working before the upgrade without that
23:06<diego__>it was supposed to be safe-upgrade :P hehehe
23:07<diego__>but thanks everyone
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23:12<oipunx>ugh where does rxvt sotres its config, i cant find it
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23:33<sysop>hi guys
23:34<sysop>is there a program in Debian that will allow me easily recreate web traffic of an ip using tcpdump or tcpflow?
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23:36<qq->oipunx: locate rxvt
23:37<qq->apt-cache search web traffic
23:37<sysop>I see tons of programs for windows that will do that but cant believe there isnt a tool for debian
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23:40<MotoHoss>I am not sure I know what you mean by recreate web traffic... ??
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23:41<sysop>well I want to spy on the web traffic of one of my children.
23:42<sysop>and I dont want to install anything on their machine.
23:43<sysop>got it. but how do I make it rendering a webpage from the raw data? I tried playing with it but never got anything useful.
23:44<sysop>I am trying tcpflow right now. but its hit and miss. I want to reconstruct the flow of the pages. see exactly what they where browsing.
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23:46<MotoHoss>oic.... I didn't need or want that level.. I snagged what I needed with a few grep commands...
23:46<MotoHoss>and by ssh tunnel to her machine and snagging the cache....
23:47<Wyzard>sysop: There's a tool called "driftnet" that'll sniff and display images, but I've never heard of anything that'll reconstruct entire browsing sessions
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23:47<curtis>anyone know the name for InsanelyMac chatroom?
23:47<curtis>thanks in advance
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23:49<sysop>thanks Wyzard , i have seen a couple of programs, unsniff for one. but they are all windows only. found one that is opensource but its open source windows code.
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23:50<MotoHoss>she on a linux machine or winblows?
23:51<sysop>I dont want to install anything on thier machine if I can help it. I just want to loop at network traffic.
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23:58<ERROR58>http://www.WHAK.COM EDY radio - (watch theater movies) - (appz) - to (chat anywhere, web IRC client) - (Canada eh) - (geeks)
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