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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-09-14

---Logopened Sun Sep 14 00:00:07 2008
00:00<Lenhix>easier if you use netstat -nl
00:00<Lenhix>-l is for listening
00:00<Lenhix>Uhm, weird
00:01<Lenhix>Start apache, check port 80 with netstat and try opening your web page
00:01<zoe>gotcha, it shows up after i start apache
00:01<zoe>but opening webpage still times out
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00:12<Lenhix>Uhm
00:13<Lenhix>Are you sure you can reach the server?
00:13<Lenhix>nmap SERVER_IP
00:13<Lenhix>For some reason the request isn't reaching the server (or the response isn't reaching your pc)
00:14<zoe>nmap seems to be timing out too (still active)
00:15<zoe>but I am SSH'd into the machine, strange no?
00:19<Lenhix>nmap could take a while
00:19<Lenhix>Uhm... i thought your web browser was configured to use a proxy, but you said elinks couldn't fetch the page either
00:19<Lenhix>uhm
00:20<Lenhix>Where is your web page located? /var/www?
00:21<zoe>located at /usr/home/*APACHE_USER_NAME*/public_html
00:22<zoe>also this is a system that's been running without maintenance for years, suddenly died and proper Admin is away
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00:25<Lenhix>Uhm
00:26<Lenhix>Check that DocumentRoot in httpd.conf is /usr/home/*APACHE_USER_NAME*/public_html or at least /usr/home/<apacheusername>
00:26<zoe>yeah it is
00:26<Lenhix>Uhm, weird..
00:26<zoe>yeah I'm completly baffled
00:27<Lenhix>I can't think of any other problem
00:27<zoe>also since I set LogLevel to debug before,,,that log has filled up with a message for every restart, but nothing helpful
00:27<zoe>no worries, I REALLY appreciate your time and patience anyway
00:27<Lenhix>You're welcome
00:27<Lenhix>Uhm
00:27<Lenhix>Does have apache permissions to read that dir?
00:28<Lenhix>or is owned by <apache user name>?
00:28<zoe>i tried chmod 777 earlier, no change i behavior
00:28<zoe>change IN behavior
00:28<seven>zoe: what was the result for nmap?
00:29<zoe>1 ip address,,716 seconds
00:29<zoe>and it gives four ports, http, ftp, ssh, and smtp
00:30<zoe>also, when I looked through the logs, I found a strange foreign ip address repeatedly attempts to ftp in, but it seems always failed
00:30<zoe>that's they only real anomaly though...
00:31<seven>all four ports open?
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00:32<zoe>yeah all open
00:32<seven>browser returns timeout?
00:32<zoe>yes
00:33<zoe>both local network and outside
00:33<zoe>website is ww.ute.com , or should be
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00:34<seven>what is the ip address of the server?
00:34<zoe>65.60.90.9
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00:35<seven>unitech?
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00:35<zoe>thats the company name
00:36<seven>it's a dns problem
00:36<zoe>WOW hwo to tell?
00:36<seven>www.ute.com don't resolve to the ip
00:36<zoe>it checks out on whois, go daddy is our provider
00:36<seven>i can access the website by ip address, but not by the name
00:37<seven> host www.ute.com
00:37<seven>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
00:37<zoe>huh, I cannot
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00:38<seven>look's like both dns servers are out
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00:39<zoe>you just type this into browser: http://65.60.90.9
00:39<zoe>right? cuz that times out for me
00:40<seven>yep, work for me, just opened the website
00:40<zoe>wow thanks for checking
00:40<seven>but i can't reach de dns servers
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00:41<zoe>strange though, when inside the network and using local ip I also can't reach
00:41<seven>do you use proxy on the local network?
00:42<zoe>but if you are seeing site live, at least that confirms it's not apache / server issue
00:42<zoe>no proxy
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00:42<zoe>my cell phone can't reach either
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00:42<zoe>you wouldn'y have it cached or something odd like that?
00:42<seven>apache is working fine for sure
00:43<zoe>ok, thanks again
00:43<seven>do you know the ip address of the dns servers?
00:43<zoe>no clue, i believe it is in Taiwan
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00:44<seven>on whois returns dns1.ute.com and dns2.ute.com
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00:44<seven>no ip address
00:44<seven>thats the problem, the dns servers are out
00:45<zoe>strange though,.,,bosses won't be convinced if I can't load 65.60.90.9 in front of them
00:45<zoe>and I can't
00:45<zoe>coudl that be a regional thing? I'm in California
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00:46<seven>maybe, it's strange, you should be able to access using the ip address
00:46<zoe>ping confirms what you say though
00:46<zoe>ping url fails, ping ip address no problem
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00:47<seven>i recomend you contact godaddy to figure out what's going on with the dns servers
00:47<zoe>right on, at least that explains it
00:48<zoe>was so baffled to see no apache issue, and cant load site
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00:49<seven>at least is not a problem on your network, it's outside
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00:49<zoe>can't deduce why ip address still times out for me thouh
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00:50<oipunx>heh just sawchildren of bodom
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00:51<seven>yes, this is strange, you should be able to access using ip address, just like i did it
00:51<Lenhix>Well.. c u later
00:51<Lenhix>Take care ppl
00:51<zoe>later
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00:58<zoe>later everyone, thanks again
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01:19<tralala>how come debian/rules is different when unpacking with dpkg-source -x than the one in the .diff?
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01:22<chealer>tralala: in which package?
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01:24<sdps>Is there a dpkg msg for current problems with unstable? I don't wnat to ask here if 400 people have already asked..
01:24<tralala>chealer, http://ppa.launchpad.net/mishd/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mypasswordsafe/mypasswordsafe_0.0.20061216-1ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
01:24<sdps>and I have only this computer...
01:25<tralala>chealer, note that despite this being an ubuntu source, I use etch to build
01:27<tralala>sdps, /msg dpkg bts
01:27<sdps>Like an idiot, w/o thinking to check I went ahead and dist-upgraded my unstable system. Now I cannot start up Xwindow and get an error referring to vesa_drv.so and xf86GTFMode. Any ideas? I'd google it but lynx is less than 'ideal'.
01:27<sdps>tralala: thanks man. Will do.
01:28<chealer>tralala: I don't see why it would be.
01:29<chealer>!tell sdps about unstable status
01:32<oipunx>what's a good, light bittorent client to use
01:32<oipunx>that got ssl
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01:34<tralala>chealer, me neither, but it is. Is there any documentation other than the manual?
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01:35<chealer>tralala: for dpkg-source?
01:35<Ex-Cyber>oipunx: rtorrent? I'm pretty sure it supports SSL though I've never tried it
01:36<oipunx>hm
01:36<tralala>chealer, yes
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01:37<oipunx>thx lemme check
01:37<chealer>tralala: I'd guess not, except for general dpkg documentation.
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01:40<tralala>chealer, okay, thanks for your time
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01:44<tarded>hi, i'm new to linux (from freebsd). I'm not so sure on this LVM, would I use that if I imagine myself having to resize my partitions later on down the track?
01:45<tarded>ie, if I just wanted to set my partition sizes and leave them be, I don't have to use lvm?
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01:46<tralala>tarded, lvm has many uses, e.g. I use it for software raid. But if you're sure about your partitions you can live without it.
01:47<tarded>ok. I've only got a single 80g hd in my laptop so i wasn't sure if I needed it or not. the installer has the option of creating an encrypted LVM, but I figured I could just do a simple guided install and encrypt the system later?
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02:56<Resemp>would you use && and || for and or or statements in the if bash conditions?
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02:59<simonrvn>i usually use && ||
03:00<Resemp>hm i maybe comparing 2 things differently then
03:03<Resemp>getting "line 73: ogg: command not found" & "line 73: ogg" error how would i fix this? if [ "$ext" != "avi" || "ogg" ]; then
03:03<simonrvn>use or
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03:06<Resemp>i get "line 73: [: too many arguments" then
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03:07<simonrvn>tried with (""avi || "ogg") ?
03:07<simonrvn>er, well, you know what i mean :)
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03:09<Resemp>tried if [ "$ext" != "avi" || "ogg" ]; then i get line 73: [: missing `]' and line 73: ogg: command not found
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03:20<worthco>what is this?
03:20<Resemp>a channel
03:20<EmleyMoor>What do you mean by "this"?
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03:20<worthco>I was looking through my internet stuff and found all these IRC links
03:21<Resemp>there there by default
03:21<worthco>interesting
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03:26<simonrvn>Resemp: don't /msg people without asking
03:26<Resemp>u messaged me
03:26<simonrvn>um, no i didn't
03:26<Resemp>i have a tab open with u name...
03:27<Resemp>that i didnt open
03:27<simonrvn>because you messaged me...
03:27<Resemp>um no
03:27<simonrvn>liar
03:28<Resemp>um no
03:29<EmleyMoor>Resemp: If you claim he messaged you, what did he say?
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03:30<Resemp>thats the thing i used "/clear" then i noticed his name in another tab
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03:30<Resemp>so i sent him "?" to see what was up and hes making a huge deal out of it
03:40<EmleyMoor>How do I use x2x to work two adjacent Debian systems from the same keyboard and mouse?
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03:43<Resemp>something like synergy?
03:47<EmleyMoor>Same sort of idea
03:47<EmleyMoor>I use x2vnc for adjacent Windows boxen
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03:50<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not even got X11 forwarding working from the laptop yet
03:50<EmleyMoor>Ah, that's got it
03:54<EmleyMoor>Still can not open display
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04:19<EmleyMoor>Bizarre - my laptop didn't freeze on attempting to boot on battery this time
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04:22<Flakk>Hi people, I want to delete some partitions on my harddisk and add the freed space to the /home partition. I can not do it with gparted by a special reason. Am I right that I can do it with debian-live?
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04:28<rr0d>it should work
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04:32<rr0d>Flakk: there is also a GParted Live CD
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04:34<Flakk>my problem with the gparted is that the partition which I want to delete has a smaller number than the home partition, so I nust unmount the home partition and this is obviously impossible while being in the debian. I guass this will be no problem for debian live or for gparted live, right?
04:36<EmleyMoor>Reorganising your partitions is always easier if at the time they are not actually your "live" system
04:37<Flakk>rr0d: I am checking the live Gparted, but in the "features" I do not find the option "delete " they say only detect read creat grow etc.
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04:39<rr0d>Flakk: the Live GParted CD can delete partitions
04:40<EmleyMoor>It comes under etc.
04:40<Flakk>rr0d: thanks! so i just make the iso-image of live gparted, and boot from it, right?
04:40<rr0d>yes
04:40<rr0d>it will start a fluxbox with gparted
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04:41<Flakk>I have another issue: the system does not want to read the usbs any more. I thought it can be also checked with the live-debian. Is that correct?
04:41<Flakk>i mean I could check the hardware
04:41<Flakk>and determine whether it is the soft-or hard- problem
04:42<rr0d>yes
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04:43<Flakk>for the live-debina is the procedure the same? i download the live-debian iso, burn it, and then boot from it, right?
04:43<rr0d>yes
04:43<Flakk>thanx a lot!. trying...
04:43<rr0d>but i dunno if it has gparted in it
04:44<rr0d>did you make a backup of your data?
04:44<rr0d>just in case
04:44<rr0d>something goes wrong
04:44<EmleyMoor>Although gparted has been used by loads of people, loads of times, without problem, you never know when something is going to wrong and hose your system
04:45<rr0d>indeed
04:45<Flakk>well I can make two cd s one with gparted and another with deb live. I made a backup.
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04:46<Flakk>Another solution would be to re-install etch, and to delete the partitions while installing
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04:46<Flakk>but I am not sure the installer can re integrate the free space to the /home
04:46<Flakk>what do you think?
04:47<rr0d>afaik it can do that
04:47<rr0d>cant*
04:47<rr0d>use gparted
04:47<Flakk>so you also think the installer can NOT reintegrate the free space, right?
04:47<rr0d>yes
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04:49<Flakk>but by the way, as for gparted, - there is the button "delete" , but what does it result with? a free space instead of the deleted partition? then I will have the same prob as with the installer
04:49<EmleyMoor>I notice we still have a serious bug in a package for lenny - though with a manual fix listed...
04:49<Flakk>EmleyMoor- which package?
04:50<EmleyMoor>zaptel-source
04:50<Flakk>ok
04:50<EmleyMoor>I was just looking to see if it had been fixed yet...
04:50<EmleyMoor>I have applied the manual fix for now
04:50<rr0d>Flakk: it will free the space so you can attach it to an another partition
04:50<Flakk>rr0d : ok great - trying...
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05:43<Flakk>rr0d - I have now the gparted live, and i am trying to see what happens with my usb drives. When I put in the usb stick it is not recognized - the partition "sda" does not appear. with another usb stick the things are still worse: gparted works and works and there is no result for 10 minutes already. Does this imply that the hardware is broken?
05:45<variable>update-java-alternatives is implemented in etch by default? Because i cannot find it on dpgk list.
05:45<cahoot>update-alternatives?
05:46<variable>no update-java-alternatives
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05:53<cwood>Question of the moment: I'm trying to get a wireless connection going with my Dell Latitude D531, which involves a new Broadcom driver, etc. But how do I figure which wireless network may have no encryption/authentication so I can test through it?
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05:56<EnGorDiaz>hey guys i need some help
05:57<EnGorDiaz>im making a new debian distro
05:57<EnGorDiaz>can anyone point me to a tutorial
05:57<EnGorDiaz>i guess not
05:58<EnGorDiaz>w/e
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05:58<Flakk>hello people I am trying to understand whether my hardware is working or not - this is debian etch and it does not want to mount my usb sticks. Is there any test which would decied this?
05:59<cwood>Flakk: check /var/log/kern.log, or try dmesg | tail
05:59<Flakk>cwood: at which moment?
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05:59<cwood>If you see a new sda appearing, then it likely works automagically. If not, you may have to modprobe a few devices yourself. Not sure which ones, myself.
06:00<Flakk>well these /var... and dmesg... should i read them after a rboot or after inserting the usb?
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06:01<cwood>After inserting the usb device, to see if there were any changes in how your machine recognized its hardware.
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06:05<Flakk>cwood: kern.log did not change after i have inserted the thig, dmesg|tail reacted normally saying attached scsi removable disk sda
06:05<Flakk>however it does not mount automatically ( I got used to it)
06:06<cwood>Flakk: aha. So now you have your usb key recognized by your system as sda, so you can interact with it via all the usual commands. mount, fdisk, etc.
06:06<cwood>I've never tried to get things to mount automatically, I've always been irritated at things doing that.
06:07<Flakk>well now here is a first problem - I start gparted - and it works and works without stop
06:07<cwood>Never used that, I've only used fdisk and cfdisk.
06:07<Flakk>ok i can try fdisk
06:08<Flakk>cfdisk: bad logical partition 8 overlap
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06:08<Flakk>and no communication any more
06:08<cwood>if you try: fdisk -l /dev/sda
06:08<Flakk>cwood: which command do you use to mount the usbs?
06:09<cwood>what does that report? Any useful or mountable partition?
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06:09<cwood>I use: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbkey
06:09<cwood>but I barely never use them.
06:09<_realone_realone_>hi volks
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06:09<Flakk>cwood: yes it says /dev/sda 1064 mb etc device boot /dev/sda1 etc - seems quite normal
06:10<Flakk>cwood - so you just do not use the usbs, if i get it right?
06:11<cwood>!usbs
06:11<cwood>Probably not.
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06:11<nas>guys
06:11<nas>anyone knows what this command do
06:11<nas>pre-up sysctl -p > /dev/null
06:11<Flakk>cwood: so any conclusion?
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06:12<cwood>Flakk: sounds like your system recognizes it, and it has an sda1 partition, and you can mount that with the right filesystem kernel driver loaded. How you want to do the mounting bit is up to you, really.
06:16<Flakk>sorry what do you mean by "the right filesystem kernel driver loaded"? I used to work with "pmount /dev/sda" or "pmount /dev/sda1" and they do not work any more. Is there smth bad in these commands?
06:17<Lethalman>apt-get source apt
06:17<Lethalman>E: Unable to find a source package for apt
06:17<nas>cwood any idea what is pre-up sysctl -p > /dev/null
06:17<Lethalman>i have only one deb-src (testing) in sources.list
06:17<Lethalman>anyone knows what's the problem?
06:18<cwood>narcan: you can read "man sysctl". Sounds like pre-up is something in the network-scripts.
06:18<Flakk>cwood: oh your "mount -t vfat etc... " worked . THANKS
06:18<nas>oh ok thanks =)
06:18<cwood>Lethalman: might need to run apt-get update first?
06:18<narcan>mmh?
06:18<narcan>k
06:18<narcan>^^
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06:19<cwood>Flakk: by "right filesystem" I mean usually usb keys are FAT, so you'd modprobe vfat first.
06:19<Lethalman>cwood, guess? i've done it a bunch times with deb-src included :)
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06:19<cwood>Well, what does the error message say when you run apt-get?
06:19<Flakk>cwood: it worked as I sdia above. however I must be root for this. Is there any possibility to do this without being root?
06:20<Lethalman>cwood, <Lethalman> E: Unable to find a source package for apt
06:21<Lethalman>ok i get them with dget
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06:22<Flakk>cwood: now it is well mounted there in no problem, but I can not work with the files inside in gnome environment. I must be root and this is difficult
06:23<cwood>Flakk: sounds like file permission issues. You can always su to root and use chmod or chown to fix things up for your user. I know Windows files tend to come in owned by root on vfat.
06:23<Flakk>cwood: btw modprobe vfat gives nothing
06:24<cwood>That's fine, a command that works should return no output. What does this return: /sbin/lsmod | grep vfat
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06:25<Flakk>cwoode: vfat 11584 1 and fat 45948 1 vfat
06:25<Flakk>(maybe ntfs would wortk better?)
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06:26<Flakk>btw chown /media/usbdisk = not permitted ...
06:27<cwood>Flakk: sounds like your kernel has vfat loaded.
06:27<Flakk>and the files on the usbkey do not want to change the owner neither
06:27<cwood>And I've usually sudo'ed to root to copy files off my usbkey, just because I'm lazy to do it any other way.
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06:27<cwood>Yeah, vfat filesystems don't have file permissions.
06:28<Flakk>cwood: could ntfs be better?
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06:28<Flakk>cwood: btu what puzzles me is that i always used pmount /dev/sda and ALL WORKED until two days ago
06:29<cwood>I don't know. Look for why things might have changed between now and two days ago and read their docs.
06:29<cwood>I wouldn't know about ntfs, I don't really use Windows.
06:29<Flakk>and to write files on your usb do you also change to root?
06:29<cahoot>isn't that why one uses umask?
06:29<Flakk>err - if I knew what umask is...
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06:30<variable>!export
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06:33<cwood>Flakk: for these commands, you can nearly always read the manual page. Try "man umask" in a terminal.
06:34<cwood>So "man pmount", "man mount", etc. These are stored in Debian under /usr/share/man/man*
06:34<Flakk>ok - anyway thanks a lot! I now understand that the notebook is not really broken; this is a great help i can function at least slowly. THANX
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06:39<cwood>The reason I don't use my usbkey much is that I just scp things around.
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06:42<Flakk>cwood: but then you must have cable between the two, or the WEB
06:42<cwood>Yup.
06:43<UbuntuNigger>GNAA declares boycott of all foods that make sperm taste bad
06:43<UbuntuNigger>Washington, District of Columbia (USNS) - Gathered on the steps of the Justice Department, gay niggers worldwide announced their most ambitious ploy for political power to date, a boycott of all foods that make semen taste awful. GNAA president timecop led the rally with a pink megaphone, shouting over the noise of riot cops assembling in case the peaceful assembly turned violent.
06:43<UbuntuNigger>"My friends," he lisped at the top of his lungs. "As America's - no, the world's - foremost consumers of sperm and without a doubt its greatest enjoyers and advocates, we plead - no, we demand - that these prostate poisons be eliminated from the modern diet." Around him, a surging throng of foamy devotees showed their approval with a shower of bodily fluids.
06:43<UbuntuNigger>According to timecop, numerous studies prove that gay volunteers not only found that tobacco left a lingering moldy taste in semen, but that such commonplace items as coffee and multivitamin pills could make semen taste muddy and like insecticide, respectively. "These are intolerant, I mean, intolerable substances," timecop spluttered.
06:43<UbuntuNigger>GNAA member DiKKy, on loan from NATO class dunce Norway, as if on cue dumped a 55 gallon drum of whipped semen into the Justice Department's Martin Luther King, Jr. meditative koi pond. As carp drowned in the sticky mucosal fluid, DiKKy took the microphone from a timecop overcome by emotion at the sacrifice of so much precious gay nigger seed. "Gummy bears make it taste like rubber cement - no, that's not a pun. And s
06:43<UbuntuNigger>almon, of course," said DiKKy, "which makes it taste oily. Oh, and here's a big no-no: asparagus. Yucky."
06:43<UbuntuNigger>United Asparagus Growers President Ralph Gruntligel was interviewed by CBS' "60 Minutes," which, in trying to downplay its recent scandal over forging records to replace the lost forged records of a famous politician, has changed focus to such cutting edge topics as sitting room makeovers and loose candle wax.
06:43<UbuntuNigger>"While we support every group who wishes to consume asparagus, and do not discriminate on the basis of age, sex, race, gender, sexual orientation, bondage role, condom use, ethnicity or major league baseball fan identification," Gruntligel said from a leather sofa in his Greenwich Village headquarters, "to indict a source of income for roughly one in 65,536 Americans that is ranked fifty-fourth among the world's most
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06:44<elky>heh. loser has been hitting freenode all day
06:45<nas>cwood any idea why a VIP can be accessed on the same box but not on another
06:45<cwood>vip as in virtual ip?
06:46<nas>yup
06:46<nas>i am setting up a HA system
06:46<cwood>Depends on the usual things. Routing, netmasks, etc. Or maybe the router in between isn't configured to send the vlan to different ports, etc.
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06:47<nas>i can ping
06:48<cwood>You can ping between the boxes?
06:48<nas>yup
06:48<cwood>Possibly a firewall issue, then.
06:48<MadHag>whats up
06:49<nas>are you familiar with load balancers?
06:49<MadHag>not me
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06:49<nas>cwood?
06:49<Harrison>Hello, Could anyone tell me if the NVIDIA 9800 GT card is supported in Debian?
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06:50<cwood>I've only used one brand of load balancer. So not really.
06:50<EmleyMoor>Harrison: Supported to what extent?
06:50<nas>ipvsadm?
06:50<cwood>F5 BigIP
06:51<Harrison>EmleyMoor, to the extent that it would make economical sense to employ it above the HD 4850 or any other graphics card.
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06:51<MadHag>these top notch cards are basically wasted in Linux
06:51<EmleyMoor>Harrison: Well, any will provide basic 2D. As for 3D, that may well require a non-free driver. I am not sure precisely what is supported by what
06:51<nas>maybe you know this i'll ask anyway. i installed my director in the host and real server in the vserver guest on the same box
06:52*MadHag ducks
06:52<EmleyMoor>I go mainly for build quality TBH...
06:52<Harrison>EmleyMoor, MadHag --- So basically, for all the newer graphics cards, there are no drivers available?
06:52<nas>i can access the VIP from the guest
06:52<MadHag>goes that way
06:53<nas>but not from the host or another box
06:53<MadHag>I have a ati hd2400 its ok
06:53<EmleyMoor>Newer graphics cards may not be fully supported without non-free drivers - however, that isn't necessarily a reason to avoid...
06:53<Harrison>What about the ATI HD 4850 --- is there a driver available for it?
06:53<cwood>nas: that sounds like virtual machine stuff, which I don't know at all.
06:54<Harrison>Does anyone know how I can find out if there's non-free drivers that work for these cards in Debian?
06:54<MadHag>no, just takes a bit of time for the drivers, anyway you aint going to be playing steam are you
06:54<nas>yeah. it's ok =)
06:54<cwood>Harrison: try nvidia.com, they have driver downloads.
06:54<EmleyMoor>Harrison: google may also be your friend
06:54<Harrison>Would they be in the non-free section ... or would I have to download them from the manufacture's website?
06:54<Harrison>Okay, Yeah I see the driver on Nvidia's website...
06:55<EmleyMoor>Some may be in the non-free section. I actually had to backport them from sid when I upgraded to lenny
06:55<Harrison>So I should be able to install that and be good? Or am I going to have random problems with it? (or another way of asking... Is it generally the case that people have problems with these non-free drivers?)
06:56<EmleyMoor>Harrison: I haven't heard of problems, once set up
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06:56<TIBS02>ello
06:57<TIBS02>wot r these packages i need to install
06:57<TIBS02>checking for gcc... no
06:57<TIBS02>checking for cc... no
06:57<TIBS02>checking for cc... no
06:57<TIBS02>checking for cl... no
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06:57<ircMonkey>Hi, would someone know a tool to get good xhtml document from an old html one (that raises parsing errors with xsltproc)?
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06:58<EmleyMoor>TIBS02: May I suggest gcc for a start?
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06:59<cahoot>build-essential?
06:59<TIBS02>yer nothings comming up tho
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06:59<TIBS02>ok
06:59<ircMonkey>maybe something like html2xhtml?
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07:01<variable>why gifts images doesn't play?
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07:02<cwood>Anyone here successfully connected Evolution (using the evolution-exchange package) to an Exchange server?
07:03<TIBS02>hmmmmmm
07:03<TIBS02>strange
07:03<TIBS02>www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk
07:03<TIBS02>dont work
07:03<TIBS02>but
07:03<TIBS02>http://www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk/phpsysinfo
07:03<TIBS02>does
07:03<TIBS02>somethings up with apache
07:05<TIBS02>just installing a load of packages
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07:07<Myon>TIBS02: Debian has phpsysinfo packages, just use these
07:08<TIBS02>i know
07:08<TIBS02>but for some reason it wont load main site
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07:08<Myon>if you really want to build it yourself, start with apt-get build-dep phpsysinfo
07:08<TIBS02>ive got phpsysinfo
07:08<TIBS02>nowt wrong with that
07:09<TIBS02>but wont load main site i dunno why
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07:28<satan>hai
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07:33<variable>what tool is for seeing webpage which was written with php?
07:34<cahoot>web browser?
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07:36<variable>not wrowser but a tool to see generated php code how does it looks in the end
07:36<variable>*browser
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07:36<dooglus>variable: you shouldn't be able to see the php code unless you have access to the server via ftp, ssh, or some such
07:37<variable>it sould be some kind of service like easyphp
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07:37<dooglus>variable: if you do, a text editor will show you the php code
07:37<cahoot>web browser - view source?
07:37<cogwheel>variable, php :)
07:37<variable>no, nead to see generated php ;]
07:37<cogwheel>so use the php binary
07:38<cogwheel>php <file>, puts the content it generates to stdout.
07:38<cogwheel>and that can be piped ;)
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07:40<TIBS02> I can't find Tcl on this system.
07:40<TIBS02> I can't find Tcl on this system.
07:40<TIBS02>wot
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07:40<TIBS02>tcl package do i need
07:40<TIBS02>for eggdrop
07:40<LarsKL>hey. got a problem with my eee701. in Xorg all AltGr+something keys are somewhat broken. e.g. to get "[" i usually have to press AltGr+8, on the eee i have to press it twice quickly to get one. for other chars it's even worse, e.g. "|" is Fn+AltGr+Y but to get it I have to do AltGr+8 twice to get a [ and when I then quickly press Fn+AltGr+Y I can get a |. outside of X it works as expected, so does it in cat. any ideas?
07:40<variable>what i need is when i write some php code then i save it and i need to see how it looks from browser, but now i can see just a code, o don't need the code i need the final view
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07:42<EmleyMoor>TIBS02: eggdrop is in Debian... are you trying to compile it for some reason?
07:43<graytron>LarsKL: you installed Debian on your Eee PC?
07:43<LarsKL>graytron: yes
07:43<LarsKL>lenny
07:43<graytron>LarsKL: is everything working good otherwise?
07:43<LarsKL>yes, that's the only problem i'm having
07:44<LarsKL>i can work around it but it's kinda annoying having to hit 7 keys to get a pipe
07:44<seanius>any php users here using fastcgi?
07:44<graytron>LarsKL: just asking because im considering purchasing 901 or 1000 myself :)
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07:44<LarsKL>graytron: there's a custom installer in the debian wiki for eees
07:46<graytron>LarsKL: thanks for the hint
07:46<LarsKL>everything but wpa was working out of the box
07:46<variable>i need a tool like "wamp" but on etch ;]
07:47<LarsKL>graytron: but you should get a very lightweight DE (i got the 4gb version), lxde looks nice
07:47<graytron>LarsKL: maybe you need something like http://myy.helia.fi/~karte/mirror/xmodmap-ubuntu.fi
07:48<rr0d>variable: xampp
07:48<graytron>LarsKL: what? it can't run KDE? :)
07:48<LarsKL>graytron: is that for xserver only?
07:48<LarsKL>cause i'm pretty sure it's a problem with xserver as it works fine elsewhere
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07:48<LarsKL>graytron: even kde-core doesn't fit on this disk
07:49<rr0d>variable: check http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
07:49<variable>thanks
07:49<graytron>LarsKL: xmodmap configuration file
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07:50<TIBS02>EmleyMoor i got my own version
07:50<TIBS02>of eggdrop
07:50<TIBS02>but it says it needs tcl
07:50<TIBS02>i dunno wot package i need to search for tho
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07:50<LarsKL>graytron: how do i "install" that file?
07:52<EmleyMoor>tcl8.5 (in lenny at least)
07:52<TIBS02>ok
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07:52<TIBS02>its just instaling load of packages now
07:53<tom-bbl>hi is anyone here familiar with the alpha architecture
07:53<graytron>LarsKL: man xmodmap :) you might want to see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/08/msg01028.html also
07:54<graytron>LarsKL: that xmodmap file is not for you, just a reference
07:55<LarsKL>hm
07:56<LarsKL>nicest thing would be a way to just tell xorg to handle stuff like textmode does :-/
07:56<LarsKL>xev shows the keys as expected as well so hard to tell where exactly it's going wrong
07:57<graytron>oh well
07:57<LarsKL>uhm...
07:57<LarsKL>actually after running xev it works fine in xorg
07:58<LarsKL>until i restart
07:58<LarsKL>nice workaround at least :)
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08:15<SyRenity>hi
08:15<SyRenity>i have a quick question
08:15<SyRenity>how do i update etch to unstable?
08:15<variable>i forgot what command need to do to reload/reset .bashrc?
08:15<SyRenity>the apt-get fails
08:15<SyRenity>saying that indexes could not be downloaded
08:16<avu>SyRenity, if you need to ask that, you really shouldn't be using unstable.
08:16<SyRenity>avu: well, i need it for a specific purpose
08:16<SyRenity>avu: namely to compile an app
08:16<SyRenity>and i'm running it in dedicated VM
08:16<avu>SyRenity, what you most likeley need are a few backports
08:16<avu>or maybe lenny
08:17<EmleyMoor>SyRenity: I'd take it via lenny if it were me...
08:17<SyRenity>about lenny - i need to replace etch with testing?
08:18<SyRenity>in sources.lst?
08:18<EmleyMoor>Replace etch with lenny
08:18<avu>testing or lenny
08:18<avu>right now they are the same
08:18<SyRenity>ok, got it - will give it a try
08:18<EmleyMoor>If you replace it with testing, it will be lenny for now
08:18<SyRenity>thanks for help
08:18<EmleyMoor>(what will come after lenny?)
08:18<avu>squeek
08:19<EmleyMoor>Let me guess - a mouse?
08:19<avu>no
08:19*EmleyMoor is not well up on Toy Story
08:19<variable>how to set environment variable for java, like classpath?
08:19<avu>ah and it's squeeze
08:20<avu>EmleyMoor, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Squeeze_Toy_Aliens
08:20<EmleyMoor>squeeze? Ah!
08:21<avu>variable, just like you set any other environment variable
08:21<avu>variable, ie depneds on where you want it to be set
08:21<variable>but i don't know how to set it
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08:21<avu>variable, if you want to execute just one command with the variable set, do 'VAR=val command'
08:21<variable>well i need that the system will know what jdk it should use
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08:22<avu>variable, for that, you update the alternatives
08:22<avu>variable, you don't set any environment variables
08:22<avu>variable, see update-java-alternatives(8)
08:22<variable>but i installed that damn sun jdk
08:23<avu>variable, as long as you installed the sun-javax-jdk packages from debian, you're fine
08:23<avu>variable, just use update-java-alternatives
08:23<variable>it is not deb packages ;/
08:23<avu>why not?
08:23<variable>it is from sun bin
08:24<avu>that was kind of stupid.
08:24<avu>:(
08:24<avu>you could have at least used java-package
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08:24<avu>but, well, just to answer your original question: to set environment variables 'globally', use /etc/environment
08:25<variable>pff that sun-javax package gives me java5 but i need java6
08:25<avu>the java6 packages are available, too
08:25<avu>they're just not by default in etch
08:26<variable>where can i get them?
08:26<avu>backports
08:26<avu>!tell variable about bpo
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08:29<EmleyMoor>Was woody really stable for nearly 3 years?
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08:30<tom-bbl>hi is anyone here familiar with the alpha architecture
08:31<variable>avu, i have problem with public key ;/
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08:32<TIBS02>in nano
08:32<TIBS02>how do i goto line number
08:32<TIBS02>[error] unrealircd.conf:540 Comment on this line does not end
08:32<TIBS02>as in line 540
08:32<TIBS02>nano pico
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08:33<MadHag>Nessus is cool heh, just playing with it
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08:34<qdii>hello
08:34<qdii>I've got a laptop, and I don't want the display to go off when I snap the top down
08:35<qdii>any idea how I can do that ?
08:35<avu>variable, follow the instructions dpkg gave you and you won't
08:35<variable>yes i handeled with that pubkey
08:36<MadHag>qdii, thats mechanical, but there might be a box to uncheck somewhere I suppose
08:36<MotoHoss>TIBS01: "^_" without the quotes.
08:37<qdii>I hope there is :)
08:37<variable>avu, that sun-java6... packages is official from sun?
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08:46<TIBS02>got it
08:46<TIBS02>thanks
08:48<avu>variable, it contains the sun jdk, the packaging is done by debian developers
08:48<variable>ok
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08:53<EmleyMoor>wodim keeps insisting that the "track 1" data I am writing to a DVD+RW is actually "track 2". How do I persuade it otherwise?
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08:57<EmleyMoor>I've reformatted the DVD and it STILL writes track 02 instead of track 01
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09:01<SyRenity>hi again
09:01<SyRenity>I'm getting this error trying to compile things
09:01<SyRenity>and just can't understand where it's coming from
09:01<SyRenity>undefined reference to `_gettimeofday'
09:01<SyRenity>and what is missing
09:02<SyRenity>upgrading now to testing - hopefully it will resolve it
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09:02<SyRenity>any idea what lib required for this function?
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09:07<erKURITA>SyRenity see if you've included sys/time.h and/or time.h
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09:22<SyRenity>phew, lenny seems to fix it
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09:23<grub>hello anyone around?
09:24<EmleyMoor>!tell grub about ask
09:24<grub>I am trying to run an application ( GUI ) after i su to another user, how do i do that?
09:24<EmleyMoor>Use sux
09:24<grub>from the console
09:24<grub>sux?
09:24<grub>ah
09:24*grub installs
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09:25<grub>EmleyMoor, i still get that error
09:26<EmleyMoor>grub: What error?
09:26<grub>xterm Xt error: Can't open display:
09:26<grub>xterm: DISPLAY is not set
09:26<EmleyMoor>Did you sux to the other user?
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09:27<grub>EmleyMoor, yep
09:27<EmleyMoor>Hmmm...
09:27<EmleyMoor>That ought to set it up for you... not sure why it isn't
09:28<EmleyMoor>Try setting DISPLAY...
09:28<grub>EmleyMoor, ah it works now, i was trying to sux after i did sudo su -
09:28<grub>works now :)
09:28<grub>thanks EmleyMoor
09:29<EmleyMoor>I don't often use it, but sux is useful - you could say it actually doesn't suck!
09:29<grub>hehe yeah :)
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09:49<Lethalman>why git-send-email is in packaged as git-email? and not git-send-email?
09:49<Lethalman>I've screwed up reading the debian/ of git for realizing it was git-email
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10:04<SyRenity>hi again
10:04<SyRenity>is there any package containing unix2dos?
10:05<SyRenity>i googled for it, but the answers advice installing flip
10:05<SyRenity>and the app i'm compiling requires unix2dos
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10:05<seven>SyRenity: tofrodos
10:09<SyRenity>thanks
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10:13<tzafrir_laptop>SyRenity, this is a question you could have answered using apt-file (if you have it installed) or in the bottom search box in http://packages.debian.org/
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10:16<jesperj>I have an i810 soundcard and I wonder how I can get a midi device like /dev/sequencer, it does not exist now
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10:17<cahoot>modprobe snd-seq?
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10:20<danger2>hey all I'm wondering if there are any utilities to record flash streams that work for debian lenny
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10:22<cahoot>danger2: clive
10:22<danger2>clive? can I use apt-get install for that
10:22<cahoot>I could
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10:22<danger2>thank you cahoot
10:23<paolo>hi
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10:28<danger2>clive doesn't seem to work with justin.tv
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10:39<client>budicahyono
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11:02<hybrid>hi
11:03<hybrid>ich hab ein kleines problem mit lenny und fglrx, und zwar hab ich die packages direkt aus dem installer gebaut, wie in nem tut beschrieben, nur bekomme ich dann einen fehler, ich hab da auch eine seite gefunden, die den fehler behebt
11:04<hybrid>also der fehler tritt auf, wenn ich das modul laden will (flush_tlb_page fehler). Nun hab ich ne seite, die den patch anbietet, das sind ca 10 codezeilen, wie isntallier ich den patch?
11:04<danih>!de
11:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
11:04-!-path__ [~path@pc-74-207-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #debian
11:04<hybrid>sorry
11:04<danih>:-)
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11:05<hybrid>problem in english: i have a patch i need for the fglrx module on lenny...the patch is on a page, like 10 codelines....how do i apply it (sorry, i thought i was in #debian.de, but xchat joined #debian automatically and i wrote in the wrong chan :D)
11:07<hybrid>okay, now i found a smp_define.patch file...how do i apply it?
11:08<Gathond>hybrid: using the program patch
11:08<Gathond>exactly how depends on how the exact file was made
11:08<hybrid>thanks...and nothing more? like rebuilding kernel or something?
11:08<hybrid>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485605
11:08<hybrid>heres the file
11:08<Gathond>hybrid: well patch the file, then rebuild whatever it is part of
11:08<hybrid>okay
11:08<hybrid>the fglrx module
11:08<hybrid>thank you
11:08<Gathond>should only be the fglrx kernel morule
11:09<hybrid>okay
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11:09<hybrid>i wrote now as root patch smp_definde.patch....working really long...
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11:10<Gathond>not working at all:)
11:10<cogwheel>heh.
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11:11<cogwheel>patch -Np1 <file>
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11:11<Gathond>try patch "filename to patch" < smp_definde.patch
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11:11<blazq64>hi, i have a problem with firefox compiling, can sb help me?
11:11<Gathond>you might be able to skip the filename bit IF the filename is inside the patch data
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11:13<hybrid>This one-liner patch against file firegl-public.c (included in
11:13<hybrid>fglrx.tar.bz2) seems to fix it.
11:13<hybrid>so i need to patch the firefl-public.c?
11:14<Gathond>sounds like it
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11:15<hybrid>can i appy it on a tar.bz2 file or have i to unpack and pack it?
11:16<Gathond>unpack it
11:17<hybrid>done
11:17<hybrid>patch is applied
11:17<hybrid>and packed again
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11:19<MadHag>how do I remove clamav completely
11:19<MadHag>I just removed it but it still has files all over my server
11:19<cahoot>purge?
11:19<MadHag>have a command
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11:20<cahoot>aptitude purde <app> ?
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11:20<cahoot>meh
11:20<MadHag>will try
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11:21<MadHag>I have packages held back?
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11:21<MadHag>must be for a good reason
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11:21<MadHag>abort
11:22<MadHag>thanks anyway
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11:23<hybrid>ill try it now. THANKS!
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11:24<hybrid>same problem :(
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11:26<hybrid>what is fdsf for a dumb bot? hes msging user...
11:26<hybrid>with URLs and stuff...
11:26<grub>its an onjoin spam bot
11:26<hybrid>-.-
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11:27<Tengu>~.
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11:27<MadHag>I got that as well
11:27<MadHag>sex or something
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11:27<MadHag>time to go I think
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11:34<EmleyMoor>Caught up on my backups - but level 1s are now taking 4 DVDs!
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11:34<EmleyMoor>(I can't really do much about that until the arrival of the new system)
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11:42<MotoHoss>interesting little error with live-magic, from the log : "E: Couldn't find package lsusb". Any ideas on what I can do to fix it?
11:43<EmleyMoor>Iceweasel crashes if I try in the ordinary way to play a BBC radio station or a listen again... how can I find out why this might be and if it is fixable?
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11:45<jesperj>cahoot: thank you now I got /dev/sequencer, but I get no music in either lxdoom (musserv -m says no devices) or prboom
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11:52<LarsKL>hey. got a problem with my eee701. in Xorg all AltGr+something keys are somewhat broken. e.g. to get "[" i usually have to press AltGr+8, on the eee i have to press it twice quickly to get one. for other chars it's even worse, e.g. "|" is Fn+AltGr+Y but to get it I have to do AltGr+8 twice to get a [ and when I then quickly press Fn+AltGr+Y I can get a |. outside of X it works as expected, so does it in cat and xev. any ideas?
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11:55<de>analucia
11:56<de>de
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11:56<de>cdet
11:56<de>analucia
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11:57<de>AnaLucia
11:57<de>defghjkl
11:57<de>debian
11:58<de>canal??
11:58<de>debian
11:59<BLAYZ>hehe you said c'anal'
11:59<danih>xD
11:59<de>shi is
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11:59<BLAYZ>ok
12:00<de>hehe he is
12:01<de>shi is portugues
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12:01<de>()()()()()(_)_)_)_
12:01<BLAYZ>i wonder if everyone here talks like you
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12:01<de>Hi is portugues
12:02<de>canal debian (portugues)
12:03<BLAYZ>i could really use some EQ presets for XMMS
12:03<BLAYZ>:/
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12:04<de>nao entendi
12:04<BLAYZ>? don't understand ?
12:04<de>???????????eu nao entendo???
12:05<BLAYZ>channels like this are what put people off of becoming part of the G/L movement
12:05<de>hello???
12:05<BLAYZ>off from*
12:05<de>oq
12:06<de>??
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12:06<BLAYZ>dude, you're the one no one understands
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12:07<de>canal#debian
12:07<BLAYZ>o_O
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12:07<BLAYZ>wtf man
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12:08<BLAYZ>Fui your mom
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12:14<nifan>b'tarde
12:14<ooter>^_^
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12:28<sc0tsman2>anyone home
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12:49<oipunx>heh new gdm screen looks nice
12:51<EmleyMoor>oipunx: I noticed that too
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12:53<EmleyMoor>I was rebooting my laptop to try to track down a problem it had the other day finishing booting up on battery power - problem gone now so no idea what was causing it, but it did get me in the end to the gdm screen
12:53<oipunx>yeah :)
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12:55<oipunx>quick question, do I need all these scsi_eh_# services ?
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12:55<oipunx>and the watchdog/migration
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12:57<egenese>Angelina24 is a bot :/
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13:04<marcot>Good afternoon. What apt proxy do you suggest? approx, apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng or apt-proxy?
13:04<marcot>I was using apt-cacher, but it started to get very slow, so I'm trying to see the other options.
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13:06<cel937>hello, can someone tell me which package or software to use in order to administer apache. I want to use apache and I want to run programs off that server.
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13:12<parecen>cel937: in my humble opinion, the best way to admin apache is to use your prefered text editor to open the example config files in one instance and open a new instance in another, and then copy step by step what options you need
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13:16<cel937>parecen: I'm very new to linux. I would like to have a program that helps me administer and do configuration. Are you familiar with something like Webmin? I downloaded it but unsure as to how to get it set up.
13:17<parecen>cel937: the problem with such tools that make things easy is, that you often dont understand some features properly. and that leads to insecure configurations
13:17<themill>!webmin
13:17<dpkg>i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
13:18<parecen>cel937: you have to think about apache as a tool that can export your entire filesystem to the world wide web. its very wise to learn more about several options than just how you enable and disable them
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13:21<Nu_Bee>Dear all! Could you please tell me, which packet is responsible for graphical console ? From boot-time, like Knoppix. Just want to see more on my monitor.. (no X). Thanks.
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13:22<Nu_Bee>(and to see those little nice penguins at boot time.. ) :)))
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13:27<cel937>parecen and themilldpkg: Okay, I get that. Thanks for the info. But I'm a woman and I gotta say that so far linux is making my head twirl. I like graphical stuff. I can deal with visuals better. I just found apache commander sofware and that looks good.
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13:29<themill>cel937: I know where you're coming from. It took some time, but mrs themill is now quite content to edit config files by hand :)
13:30<tzafrir_laptop>cel937, can you give an example of a task or two you had a problem with?
13:30<tzafrir_laptop>The problem I have with webmin is that it completely lacks a decet command-line interface, and hence forces you to only work through it
13:31<BLAYZ>Nu_Bee - what exactly do ya mean?
13:31<tzafrir_laptop>Which is fine, until you need something it cannot do
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13:31<cel937>tzafrir: I want to run typo3 but can't seem to get it up running. I have it installed and I see it in my file system, but how do I move it to the apache server?
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13:32<tzafrir_laptop>the apache server exports parts of your file system
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13:32<tzafrir_laptop>by default in debian, it shows everything under /var/www
13:33<tzafrir_laptop>so the standard approach would be to put everything under /var/www
13:33<tzafrir_laptop>(which is fine if you control the server and not just with a single user account)
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13:34<mykhi>hello, i have problem with segmentation fault. everytime i try to turn on "glxinfo" as regular user it gives me name of display: :0.0 and segmentation fault... if i do it as root, it works. anyone have any idea whats going on?
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13:34<tzafrir_laptop>mykhi, strace?
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13:34<mykhi>strace? o0
13:35<tzafrir_laptop>cel937, so copy / move the whole thing as a subdirectory under /var/www
13:35<cwood>I came across a reference that says that only certain versions of Evolution and Evolution-Exchange work with a Microsoft Exchange server. (I know, but work uses Exchange.) Has anybody that you know of had success connecting to Exchange with Sid's current evolution-exchange package?)
13:36<tzafrir_laptop>cwood, I have no experience of my own there but:
13:36<tzafrir_laptop>what version of Exchage server is it?
13:36<cwood>2003, I think.
13:36<cwood>Given that they distributed Outlook 2003 to use with it.
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13:37<tzafrir_laptop>I'm not sure it's related. But again, I have no experince there
13:37<mykhi>tzafrir_laptop, 'strace glxinfo' output is (last line) --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
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13:38<cel937>tzafrir: thanks
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13:56<padski>I just looked at Preferences > Windows on gnome on etch. Seriously missed a trick there. if its going to be dumbed down that far, then there should be pictures.
13:56<clint1986>padski: what do you mean?
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13:59<padski>clint1986, the options should be described in pictures. this is not new. enlightenment, wm and no doubt others were doing it in the 90s. It also means "I am so tired of looking for the vertical maximise option" ;-)
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14:00<clint1986>padski: you mean diagrams to show what is being changed?
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14:02<padski>clint1986, yeah. like they have on the disposable rocket launchers :-)
14:02<clint1986>ah, i see
14:03<padski>looking for an example, I just saw "guns don't kill people. gaping holes in vital organs kill people." heh.
14:05<LarsKL>hey. got a problem with my eee701. in Xorg all AltGr+something keys are somewhat broken. e.g. to get "[" i usually have to press AltGr+8, on the eee i have to press it twice quickly to get one. for other chars it's even worse, e.g. "|" is Fn+AltGr+Y but to get it I have to do AltGr+8 twice to get a [ and when I then quickly press Fn+AltGr+Y I can get a |. outside of X it works as expected, so does it in cat and xev. any ideas?
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14:07<jhr-online>ruby: require 'gtk' - no such file to load... what am i missing?
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14:08<cwood>jhr-online: some module or another. Check the script for module loads, see what you might be missing.
14:08<jhr-online>well, i thought it's libgtk2-ruby
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14:08<jhr-online>but that's installed
14:09<jhr-online>i don't know what to check else
14:10<jhr-online>cwood: any hints?
14:11<cwood>jhr-online: Personally I'd just install all the associated ruby libs, or check my invocation of the module.
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14:12<jhr-online>i've installed nearly everything 'apt-cache search ruby gtk' found
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14:15<Golfgeo>Hi all
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14:17<cwood>This thing you're trying to run, is it something you downloaded from Debian?
14:17<cwood>If not, perhaps check the invocation of its modules. That may be more of a ruby question, though.
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14:18<jhr-online>the thing i'm trying to run is a ten lines hello world
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14:19<cwood>Couldn't say, then.
14:20<Golfgeo>Am looking at adding some ubuntu packages to my Debian install an added the needed sources, but am getting an public key is not available error... (I know this is unwanted, but wanted by me)...
14:20<cwood>Before I go tear my hair in frustration... anybody managed to connect to Exchange via the current evolution-exchange in Sid?
14:21<padski>Golfgeo, adding ubuntu binary packages ?
14:21<Golfgeo>padski: Yep
14:21<padski>Golfgeo, why ?
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14:23<Golfgeo>padski: Looking to install wmware server and not willing to be bound on the free non-free restrictions of Debian so want a complete installeble binary package for maintanance easy...
14:23<Golfgeo>*ease
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14:24<Golfgeo>(the Debian way is just unmaintaineble for me at this time)
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14:25<azeem>jhr-online: did you get the development stuff as well?
14:25<azeem>not sure what you're trying to do exactly
14:25<jhr-online>i'm trying to write a small hello world in a gtk window :)
14:26<jhr-online>i don't see libgtk2-ruby-dev or similiar
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14:28<Tuplad>Could anyone help me fix my sound ? I have NO sound at ALL.
14:28<Tuplad>It disappeared...
14:28<jhr-online>azeem: just run irb (the ruby console) and type "require 'gtk'". that fails already
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14:31<cahoot>Tuplad: does speaker-test complain?
14:32<Tuplad>yes
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14:33<Tuplad>cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/1202694
14:34<cahoot>Tuplad: cta /proc/asound/cards
14:34<cahoot>cat
14:35<Tuplad>cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/1202698
14:35<themill>!list alsa users
14:35<dpkg>To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`
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14:36<Tuplad>cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/1202699
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14:38<themill>"--oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet_Factory" *shudder*
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14:38<cahoot>Tuplad: is this problem related to a recent upgrade ?
14:38<themill>that's a pretty new kernel isn't it? 2.6.26?
14:39<Tuplad>themill: how do I find out ?
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14:39<themill>Tuplad: what's the output of: uname -r
14:40<Tuplad>cahoot: I had an upgrade that day, yes, but, I accidentally turned off the power of my computer (red button on my electricity thing) and since then it started recognizing PC speaker as default device. I did sudo asoundconf set-default-card External and then it worked for a while in audio players etc. but not in flash on webpages. Today, it's all gone :}
14:40<Tuplad>themill: 2.6.26-1-486
14:40<cahoot>Tuplad: so you have ~/.asoundrc?
14:41<themill>there's been some changes to pcspkr in the 2.6.26 kernel, but I know little about them other than what I've read on the debian-laptop list in the last couple of days
14:41<cahoot>Tuplad: I'd try move that out of the way
14:41<Tuplad>cahoot: it's pretty empty :}
14:42<cahoot>Tuplad: asoundconf tends to create one
14:42<cahoot>Tuplad: since you run it via sudo it might be some systemwide file in /etc
14:43<Tuplad>cahoot: so remove .asoundrc?
14:43<cahoot>if it's empty why keep it?
14:44<Tuplad>cahoot: it has something in it: http://pastebin.ca/1202703
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14:46<cahoot>Tuplad: that file won't do any harm anyway - seems asoundconf creates /root/.asoundrc if run via sudo
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14:47<Tuplad>cahoot: I also have a .asoundrc.asoundconf
14:47<Tuplad>cahoot: nope, that file is not there in /root
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14:49<cahoot>Tuplad: move .asoundrc.asoundconf out of the way
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14:49<cahoot>and .asoundrc
14:49<cahoot>then run speaker-test
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14:50<Tuplad>cahoot: asoundrc.asoundconf: http://pastebin.ca/1202706
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14:53<Tuplad>cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/1202707
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14:55<cahoot>Tuplad: what dose aplay -l return?
14:55<mykhi>hello, i have problem with segmentation fault. everytime i try to turn on "glxinfo" as regular user it gives me "name of display: :0.0" and "segmentation fault"... if i do it as root, it works. anyone have any idea whats going on?
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15:06<Tuplad>cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/1202718
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15:08<cahoot>Tuplad: does speaker-test -D hw:0 -c2 -t wav also fail?
15:08<Tuplad>yes
15:09<cahoot>Tuplad: does speaker-test -D hw:1 -c2 -t wav fail too?
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15:10<Tuplad>no
15:10<Tuplad>that one works
15:11<cahoot>yes I noticed alsa sees your soundcard as card1 (not card0)
15:11<cahoot>(for some reason)
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15:12<cahoot>do you have any usb device using audio connected from time to time?
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15:13<Tuplad>not that I know no.
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15:14<cahoot>Tuplad: ok so basically sound works - the problem seems to be the numbering of cards
15:14<Tuplad>cahoot: roger that, and how can we fix it ?
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15:15<cahoot>Tuplad: someone else will have to help with that I have to leave
15:16<Tuplad>cahoot: ok, thank you for your time, namaste
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15:41<oipunx>anyone have gtx280 and got it to work properly?
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15:54<rudenstam>I'm trying to build a driver for a Highpoint Rocket 100 card, downloaded the latest one from their webpage, changed path in the Makefile to point to my /lib/modules/ver/build symlink... it however generates this error: http://pastebin.com/d79e5ce91 .. anyone got any tips ?
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15:55<rudenstam>lspci identifies the card as: 02:09.0 RAID bus controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT302/302N (rev 02)
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16:17<bacon665>hello
16:17<mozzey>*** Channel mode is +ntcl 367
16:17<bacon665>anyone around?
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16:18<mozzey>yh but im reali new to this and dont no anyone.
16:18<m>bacon665, if you have a debian question just ask it
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16:19<bacon665>i have an ibook G3 and all the ppc instalations i have tried so far failed debian netinst worked until it tried to connect to the net so it left me with a base system i tried to upgrade to gnome with apt-get install gnome but it says it cant find it any ideas?
16:20<oipunx>did u update ur source list for apt?
16:20<bacon665>i tried apt-setup wouldnt work
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16:20<bacon665>dont kno how to do it manually
16:20<oipunx>u installed lenny?
16:20<oipunx>or etch
16:21<bacon665>etch im guessing... the newest one wich ever that is
16:21<bacon665>is there a command to find out?
16:21<oipunx>uname -a
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16:22<bacon665>one sec
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16:25<bacon665>2.6.18-6
16:25<bacon665>power pc
16:25<bacon665>is that what u needed?
16:26<bacon665>im out of time im gonna have to come back later sorry
16:26<oipunx>heh ok
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16:27<catalin>buna seara
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16:27<catalin>poate ajuta cineva un incepator?
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16:30<catalin>e vreun roman pe aici?
16:30<catalin>:))
16:31<oipunx>haupt dein mund
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16:35<catalin>suport romania ?
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16:36<tjaswefaze>Hello, anyone here ?
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16:37<tjaswefaze>Ello
16:38<tjaswefaze>Anyone ?
16:38<tjaswefaze>Wake up
16:38<tjaswefaze>plx
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16:41<mehtor>hello
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16:42<elmersky>hello, can anybody help me with my resolv.conf configuration ?
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16:42<mehtor_>will netstat tell me what port a certain application is using?
16:42<rjent>elmersky: what help do you need?
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16:43<elmersky>after every reboot it's empty, and my interface is configured as static
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16:43<mehtor_>or is there another tool that can reveal this information?
16:44<amphi>mehtor_: netstat
16:44<mehtor_>i cant see the process in the output of netstat
16:44<amphi>why not?
16:45<stevecotton>elmersky: check if it's configured static or for dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces
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16:45<elmersky>rjent: any idea ?
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16:46<mehtor_>amphi: i ran netstat -a. the application has an open tcp connection, but i do not see it listed in the output of netstat
16:46<tjaswefaze>Hello, Im installing GRUB and the progress stops at 66% couse of ?
16:46<LarsKL>hey. got a problem with my eee701. in Xorg all AltGr+something keys are somewhat broken. e.g. to get "[" i usually have to press AltGr+8, on the eee i have to press it twice quickly to get one. for other chars it's even worse, e.g. "|" is Fn+AltGr+Y but to get it I have to do AltGr+8 twice to get a [ and when I then quickly press Fn+AltGr+Y I can get a |. outside of X it works as expected, so does it in cat and xev. any ideas?
16:46<mehtor_>what?
16:47<rjent>elmersky: I do not know what you want to do. Please describe your problem then maybe I can help
16:47<amphi>mehtor_: try -ap
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16:48<themill>mehtor_: you have to be root to see all processes with netstat
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16:50<elmersky>rjent: when i set nameserver in resolv.conf everything is ok, but after reboot this entry is deleted and i have to put it all the time manually
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16:52<kmap>elmersky: See the last post on http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-282641.html
16:54<mehtor_>amphi themill : thx
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16:55<elmersky>kmap: thanks, i'm gonna try it
16:55<elmersky>brb
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17:02<themill>kmap: got to love the forums that remove whitespace from snippets of whitespace-sensitive config files :(
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17:09<sdps>dpkg tell me about querybts
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17:10<noflash>!tell sdps -about selftell
17:10<sdps>noflash: sorry, missed /msg.. thanks for the reminder though.. <grin>
17:10<kmap>themill: :-)
17:11<sdps>!beer noflash
17:11*dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for noflash
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17:14<sdps>Hrm, can't seem to find it in here, must be local to me.. just upgraded and am getting 'undefined symbol: xf86GTFMode' in vesa_drv.so when trying to start X. any ideas what I could be missing? I can't search Google very well as this is my ony computer and Lynx is less than ideal if you will. <grin> So, ideas anyone?
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17:55<tjaswefaze>Hello, How do i configure my mouse settings in debian
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18:11<NooBi3>i'm having a problem with k3b on etch, "/dev/.static permission denied". anybody know how to solve it?
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18:22<Shimei>Hello. Is anyone else experiencing a problem with keyboards in Xorg on testing? I have a problem where I can't type unless I hold down a key for a few seconds, which then causes lots of repeated keystrokes.
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18:23<Shimei>The problem happened spontaneously this morning even though I didn't upgrade any software. I've seen the problem on a laptop running Ubuntu as well.
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19:20<NooBi3>hello. i can't mount my cd-r/cd-rw. check what the command dmesg | tail returned -> http://rafb.net/p/iqWh5I70.html
19:21<NooBi3>can anyone help me?
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19:22<daniiel>hi noobi3
19:22<daniiel>how did you try and mount it
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19:23<NooBi3>daniiel: as user: sudo mount /media/cdrom or as root mount /media/cdrom
19:24<NooBi3>it was mounting normal 5 minutes ago
19:25<daniiel>try mouning via /dev/<whatever your cdrom drive is>
19:25<NooBi3>i already tried, it is /dev/hdd
19:26<daniiel>so you have a hda, hdb, and hdc?
19:26<NooBi3>mount /dev/hdd returns it -> http://rafb.net/p/ajnKYU69.html
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19:27<daniiel>what does your /etc/fstab say for /dev/hdd ?
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19:27<NooBi3>daniiel: /dev/hdd /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
19:28<daniiel>try: /dev/hdd /media/cdrom auto defaults 0 0
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19:31<NooBi3>daniiel: and how it would be? /dev/hdd /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,auto defaults 0 0 ?
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19:32<daniiel>using just auto will let your computer figure out the filesystem auto-matically
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19:34<NooBi3>alright i changed it to "auto" and the error still is happening.
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19:35<daniiel>hmm
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19:39<oipunx> daniiel !
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19:42<NooBi3>daniiel: so is the error kinda invisible to see?
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19:53<shivraj>how do I get framebuffer?
19:53<shivraj>how do I get framebuffer?
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20:47<gbp>hello, does anyone know a way i can make apt/dpkg ignore certain packages when i perform 'upgrade' ? I've searched google and what not without much luck
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20:51<ooter>gbp: if you're in aptitude, you can hit h to hold the package to its current version
20:51<ooter>then you'd just do the U to upgrade
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21:19<NooBi3>#flood
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21:20<NooBi3>i can't mount my cd-r/cd-rw can anyone help me?
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21:24<NooBi3>what's the best wm for 256mb-ram: gnome or kde?
21:24<dvs>NooBi3: neither
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21:24<NooBi3>currently i use xfce, but i heard about fluxbox
21:25<NooBi3>i wanned to change for gnome or kde. no way then, dvs?
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21:26<ack>256 is a bit sqeezy, they will work, but it will swap a lot
21:26<dmoerner>both will be rather slow
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21:26<NooBi3>:(
21:27<NooBi3>what's the mb-ram recommended for gnome?
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21:27<dvs>at least 512MB but that's still stretching it.
21:28<abrotman>oh bull
21:29<henkmetselaar>768mb works fine here
21:29<abrotman>gnome works fine in 256MB
21:29<ack>128mb here, with konversation running on the computer next to here...
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21:41<NooBi3>i'm having a problem with cd-r/cd-rw. it is not mounting and i don't know why =/
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21:43<NooBi3>that's the return of the command "mount /media/cdrom0" or "mount /dev/hdd" -> http://rafb.net/p/C26BSm69.html
21:43<MotoHoss>!tell motohoss about paste
21:44<ack>what are you trying to mount? (sounds a bit rude)
21:46<MotoHoss>debian takes texas : http://picpaste.com/vis-l.jpg
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21:48<ooter>it all makes sense now! :o
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21:51<Nemoder>MotoHoss: the debian swirl goes the other way ;)
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21:54<MotoHoss>i know.. .. but it does look kinda kewl. :(
21:55<ack>a cyclone? (what they call a hurricane in australia, etc) and in the southern hemisphere, they spin the other way
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21:56<Nemoder>which way do they spin on the equator?
21:58<NooBi3>ack: i'm trying to mount the cd-r/cd-rw (writer and reader)
21:59<ooter>NooBi3: is it an ext2/ext3/linux cd?
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22:00<NooBi3>ooter: it's not linux cd but my partition for linux is ext3
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22:00<ack>that shouldn't matter, what is supposed to be on the cd/dvd?
22:01<ooter>the output sounds like linux just doesn't know what the heck is on it, for whatever reason
22:01<NooBi3>it's a cd-rw hp
22:02<NooBi3>should i try with another cd just for testing?
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22:02<ooter>I'd try specifying a file system; it's probably checking what's in your fstab, and whatever type it is isn't in there, so a simple mount won't work
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22:03<ooter>something like -t iso9660 or -t ntfs
22:03<ack>that might be it, try that
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22:03<NooBi3>already did it. returns the same error
22:04<NooBi3>already tried "mount -t udf /media/cdrom0" and "mount -t iso9660 /media/cdrom0" and returns the error
22:06<NooBi3>well i took the cd-rw off of the driver and put a game-cd and it mounted
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22:07<NooBi3>i'm gonna eject it and try again with the cd-rw
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22:07<ack>it might be too scratched up too, linux cant fix that :)
22:08<NooBi3>i just used this cd 2 or 3 times :/
22:09<NooBi3>yea. it didn't work :(
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22:09<ack>reading cd's doesn't wear them out much
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22:10<NooBi3>anyway thanks ack and ooter for helping :)
22:10<ooter>np
22:11<stevecotton>NooBi3: what does "file -s /dev/hdd" say?
22:11<NooBi3>stevecotton: home:~# file -s /dev/hdd
22:11<NooBi3>/dev/hdd: ERROR: cannot read `/dev/hdd' (Input/output error)
22:12<stevecotton>ah, mount's got no hope then
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22:15<ack>blank cd?
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22:17<oipunx> oi has anyone tried to use photoshop cs3 via wine?
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22:18<oipunx>brb
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22:19<abrotman>oipunx: winehq.org or #winehq on freenode
22:20<stevecotton>ack: well caught, I missed that it might be an attempt to mount a cd before recording to it
22:20<oipunx>heh ok
22:20<stevecotton>oipunx: #winehq will refer you to their appdb
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22:20<stevecotton>http://appdb.winehq.org/
22:20<oipunx>thx
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22:29<NooBi3>ack: yes it was a blank cd-rw
22:30<oipunx>is it easy to mess with SHA1?
22:30<oipunx>of a file
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22:40<stevecotton>oipunx: what do you mean? Pretty much anything other than an exact copy will mess with the SHA1 of a file.
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22:41<stevecotton>ah, absinthe has arrived just before bedtime. And there I was thinking a hot whisky would be ideal before bed.
22:41<NooBi3>absinthe gives people halucinations
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22:43<oipunx>like if I get a copy of something from a not so reliable source, and the SHA1 checksum checked out ok. Can it be tampered with and not been detected by my checksum?
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22:44<ack>can you trust the checksum?? its a silly question in my opinion
22:45<oipunx>ja that's what im asking
22:45<oipunx>lol
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22:53<chack-1>hello all
22:53<chack-1>a need help
22:54<chack-1>i have a program that must be run with root
22:54-!-Ancho_ [~Ancho@gssn-590c49dc.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #debian
22:54<abrotman>so run it as root
22:54<chack-1>i whant that other users can use it
22:54<chack-1>whith out password root
22:54<abrotman>what program is that?
22:54<NooBi3>as root #chmod +x
22:55<ack>why does it need to run as root?
22:55<abrotman>NooBi3: that won't run it as root
22:55<chack-1>NooBi3, that dosnt work
22:55<NooBi3>oh lol. it's a program
22:55<chack-1>yes NooBi3
22:55<NooBi3>srry my bad :(
22:55<NooBi3>the program has a icon or you're openning it from the shell?
22:55<chack-1>the program contien iptables ...
22:55<NooBi3>from the terminal*
22:55<abrotman>chack-1: what program is this?
22:56<chack-1>abach, there is some command like iptables
22:56<abrotman>chack-1: what program is this?
22:56<chack-1>abrotman,
22:56<abrotman>!suid
22:56<dpkg>well, suid is "set user ID". unix supports a special bit in a file's permissions that will allow a program run by a user to run with the ID of the file owner
22:57*abrotman gives up and lets chack-1 shoot himself in the foot
22:57<chack-1>abrotman,
22:57<abrotman>chack-1:
22:57<chack-1>who to do that?
22:57<chack-1>setuid
22:58<chack-1>i dont find nothing
22:58<chack-1>there is no command
22:58<chack-1>suid root myprogram
22:58<abrotman>try google
22:58<chack-1>orsomthinglike that
22:58<chack-1>abrotman,
22:58<abrotman>chack-1:
22:58<abrotman>!tell chack-1 about enter
22:58<abrotman>!tell chack-1 about permissions
22:58<chack-1>i dont find nothing in google
22:59<chack-1>i try this command
22:59<chack-1>chmod u+s myprog
22:59<chack-1>that work on ubuntu
22:59<chack-1>and not in debian
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23:02<NooBi3>brb
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23:07<chack-1>abrotman
23:07<chack-1>some one can help me to do a SUID to my program?
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23:09<ack>why do you have to?
23:10<ack>you cant just add yourself to the group to do what you have to?
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