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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-09-15

---Logopened Mon Sep 15 00:00:24 2008
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00:26<Student>greetings all
00:26-!-beia_ [~renato@201-43-54-213.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #debian
00:26<Student>i am facing a problem from quite some time now
00:26<Student>the problem is i have a default route to my VPN server
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00:27<Student>and after establishing the vpn tunnel , i am unable to route the traffic
00:27<beia_>need help, i want to install nvidia on debian lenny (netinst), 64bits...
00:27<Student>if i flush the ip route table, delete and setsup new ip address for the default route, the vpn connection get lost
00:28<Student>what am i doing wrong in here?
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00:30<beia_>need help, i want to install nvidia on debian lenny (netinst), 64bits...
00:31<Student>need helpppppppppppppppppppppp
00:31<Student>:)
00:32<beia_>need help, i want to install nvidia on debian lenny (netinst), 64bits...
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00:34<dmoerner>!nvidia lenny
00:34<dpkg>The nvidia drivers are still a mess in lenny. If you can help sort them out before lenny releases, then please do. In the mean time, first ask me about <nvidia_lenny_1> then <nvidia_lenny_2> i.e. /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny_1
00:35<Student>wake up
00:35<oipunx>!nvidia gtx280
00:35<Student>nvidia is a gaming box?
00:36<Student>google is down
00:36<Student>wow
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00:36<oipunx>no it's not lol
00:36<Student>you checked it?
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00:36<oipunx>ja
00:36<oipunx>works fine her
00:36<oipunx>e
00:37<Student>ok dokie
00:37<Student>help me regarding the routing issue
00:38<oipunx>i dunno.. never used vpn
00:39<Student>ummm
00:40<simonrvn>Student: just ask the channel your question
00:41<Student>i did
00:41<Student>the problem is i have a default route to my VPN server
00:42<Student>if i flush the ip route table, delete and setsup new ip address for the default route, the vpn connection get lost
00:42<simonrvn>um... your default route is what routes packets from your box to the remote host
00:42<simonrvn>via the configure destination router
00:42<simonrvn>configured*
00:42<Student>basically it is the address of remote NS
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00:42<Student>and it is configured my network applet
00:43<simonrvn>yeh, and by killing the default route, those local packets don't get routed
00:43<Student>but when i establish A Tunnel , i am unable to route my traffic
00:43<simonrvn>kernel doesn't know where to send them
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00:44<Student>so i am not sure how can i send the packets to the other side of the tunnel when the Default Gatway is set to the name server of Vpn server
00:44<Student>wow
00:44<Student>i am stuck
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00:45<Student>do you get the idea of the problem simonrvn?
00:46<simonrvn>you need to set it to somewhere where it'll actually work. that won't, unless it's local. your immediate closest hop.
00:47<Student>:)
00:48<Student>where should i set it up? :)P
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00:48<Student>as soon as i delete it , my vpn connection get lost
00:50<Student>the same thing has been done in Windows xp by the same service provider and it just work fine
00:51<JRHartley>just stick with xp then ...
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00:51<Student>very funny
00:51<beia_>!nvidia
00:51<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
00:51<Student>any other suggestion? :)
00:51<beia_>!nvidia_lenny
00:51<dpkg>The nvidia drivers are still a mess in lenny. If you can help sort them out before lenny releases, then please do. In the mean time, first ask me about <nvidia_lenny_1> then <nvidia_lenny_2> i.e. /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny_1
00:51<beia_>!nvidia_lenny_2
00:51<dpkg>hmm... nvidia_lenny_2 is 5) update-pciids 6) apt-get install module-assistant 7) dpkg -i *nvidia-kernel-source*.deb 8) m-a prepare 9) m-a a-i nvidia 10) dpkg -i *nvidia-glx*.deb 11) depmod -a 12) modprobe nvidia 13) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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01:00<Student>some1 help me regarding a problem about routing
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01:02<ioerror>I have a machine with two 640GB disks. I want to raid1 these two disks and then setup an encrypted root fs on top of the raid 1.
01:03<ioerror>Trying to use etch, I was unable to do this because of various bugs in the installer.
01:03<ioerror>Switching to lenny, I was able to create a raid1 device but then it does not show up in the guided partitioning menu. That menu only shows my two raw disks.
01:04<ioerror>Is there something that I can do to make /dev/md0 show up as a device in that menu?
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01:09<Student># route add -net 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev ppp0
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01:10<r0tciv>if i download a new window manager and install it over my current window manager can i choose the wm i want to use? will it cause problems with the programs i have installed?
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01:18<fdv>in dm manager
01:18<fdv>kdm, gdm
01:19<beia_>fdv, u can help me ?
01:19<simonrvn>!tell beia_ -about ask
01:19<fdv>i d'nt know
01:19<fdv>what about?
01:20<beia_>after install nvidia of debian lenny 2
01:20<fdv>my nvidia working fine
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01:20<beia_>from memory, nvidia_lenny_1 is 1) add "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, replacing de with your country code 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers
01:20<fdv>in unstable
01:21<beia_>my screen start black, in xor.conf, not write resolution...
01:21<fdv>I use drivers from nvidia.com
01:21<beia_>how to install ?
01:21<fdv>and recompile it at every reboot
01:22<fdv>sh /opt/public/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg1.run
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01:31<Presently>Hello. I used debootstrap to install debian on to my main partition a while ago. Oddly, though, the proccess seems to not have created /dev/hda*. Shouldn't debootstrap do execute this step?
01:31<EmleyMoor>Is the system working?
01:31<fdv>on SATA disks?
01:32<Presently>On ATA (the old default; the lappy is from 2005).
01:33<Presently>That system is, at present, unbootable.
01:33<fdv>do u mean PATA?
01:33<Presently>I have not yet installed a kernel.
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01:33<Presently>fdv: Possibly.
01:34<fdv>:)
01:35<Presently>Sorry, that's one question I am not readily able to answer. I'm looking in to it, though.
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01:37<Presently>Hmm. All I see is IDE.
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01:38<jm_>Presently: no, udev is used nowadays
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01:38<Presently>jm_: udev is installed.
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01:39<jm_>Presently: yes
01:39<Presently>jm_: Then I'm afraid I don't quite follow you....
01:39<jm_>Presently: you won't see it in chroot
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01:40<jm_>check /dev/.static/dev
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01:41<Presently>jm_: That doesn't exist.
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01:44<jm_>Presently: yeah I see it now, when installed in chroot udev doesn't do that
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01:47<Presently>jm_: Indeed. There is obviously some thing which I have missed which creates the nodes; but no where does is there mention of having to do so manually.
01:47<EmleyMoor>Why would 25 updates be equal to a download of 111 files?
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01:49<jm_>Presently: did you run 'mount --bind /dev /target/dev' in chroot?
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01:49<Presently>I did yesterday.
01:49<jm_>you need to do it everytime you chroot into it
01:49<Presently>Hmm. What if I want to boot in to it?
01:50<yang>I have problems with 2.6.26 and crypto , it doesn't let me enter password
01:50<jm_>what happens when you boot into it?
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01:50<yang>exactly that
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01:51<Presently>Nothing; I have only just installed a kernel. I couldn't figure out why it wouldn'n install; I thought it was supposed to create /etc/kern-img.conf. I just fixed that.
01:51<EmleyMoor>yang: Exactly what? Is it refusing your password? Not giving you a chance to even try it?
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01:51<jm_>kernel doesn't install? surely there's an error then
01:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 348] by debhelper
01:52<Presently>jm_: Nah. Just a missed step on my part.
01:52<Presently>I just installed a kernel properly.
01:52<Presently>It did before the writing of /etc/kern-img.conf, but grub, when I tried to boot in to it, couldn't find any kernel.
01:53<Presently>Hopefully that's fixed.
01:53<yang>No, something like unable to mount /dev/... as crypto
01:54<yang>works in kernels up to 2.6.26
01:54<EmleyMoor>yang: I don't know much about it but the chances are anyone who does will need the full message
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01:55<Presently>In fact, I'm going to see if it is bootable. I shall probably return.
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02:37<tralala>how come debian/rules is different when unpacking with dpkg-source -x than the one in the .diff?
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03:11<morgan`>hi
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04:14<candido>Hi !
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04:16<kavehmz>Hi, I was update, dist-upgrading my system that is a lenny debian, I do it every day, to day it wants to get several *-dbg packages for gimp, nautilus,.. does any one know how the needs of these debuging packs has been added to the system and why maintaners are doing this?
04:17<candido>i have problems with LennyBeta2/AMD64/gnome when i work without network connection. The time that i must wait for run some terminal or application is more than 10 seconds. Some idea?
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04:25<panthera>Caesar_: please use a daily image (referenced on debian.org/devel/debian-installer/), retry and report bug in case you can reproduce.
04:25<panthera>hrm
04:25<panthera>s/Caesar_/candido/
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04:32<candido>phantera: thanks
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04:53<yang>hi ao2
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05:01<munga>hi all. In /etc/rcS.d/S12mtab.sh I have a line: domtab tmpfs /dev "udev" -omode=0755 BUT I don't use udev ... is this a bug that assume that udev is in use ?
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05:04<jm_>munga: no
05:05<munga>jm_: but then when I use MAKEDEV it says: udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/
05:06<jm_>munga: so you are using udev then
05:06<munga>and of course if I try to create a device by hand , it disappears at the next reboot ...
05:06<munga>there is no udev running or being installed on my system...
05:07<jm_>why does it detect it then?
05:07<munga>dpkg --purge udev
05:07*dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up udev all over munga and helmut...
05:07<munga>dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove udev which isn't installed.
05:07<dpkg>You are moron #1, munga
05:07<jm_>try sh -x MAKEDEV then
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05:12<munga>uhmmm this is a kind of a hack, isn't it ? ... I'll try to remove /dev/.static ... that should be a leftover from udev ... this is what MAKEDEV is actually checking to decide wheather udev is active or not ...
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05:15<munga>but why dev is mounted with an udev fs even if udev is not installed ? Is this not related to udev ?
05:17<jm_>well MAKEDEV checks for more than that
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05:47<candido>I would like upgrade my lenny kernel linux-image-2.6.26-amd64 with a daily kernel, what package i need install?
05:49<munga>candido: you mean you want to recompile your kernel ?
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05:51<jm_>candido: apt-cache search linux-image
05:51<jm_>in general, installing linux-image-2.6 gives you the latest
05:52<jm_>uhm -2.6-foo
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05:55<candido>jm: so my kernel is 14 septembre no? When i am not connected to network i must wait about 10 seconds with every application
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05:56<candido>linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64
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05:57<jm_>candido: which applications?
05:57<cmatei>is there anybody other than me that gets sound clicks after upgrading libxine1 to 1.1.14-3 ?
05:58<candido>all...p.e. from gnome i open terminal and i need wait 10 sec for the prompt
05:58<candido>with the net connected i dont need wait
05:58<jm_>does the same happen when you start terminal from terminal?
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05:59<candido>yes
06:00<jm_>ok then check its stacktrace when it's doing that
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06:01<candido>where is the log?
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06:01<candido>i need go out from network for test it
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06:02<jm_>it's not a log, you connect to it with a debugger and produce stacktrace
06:03<candido>the problem is without the network... you refer connect to shell?
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06:04<jm_>well you need to establish which process is waiting, perhaps 'strace -tt -f -o .... blah' is easier first
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06:18<candido>jm_: i have run the stacktrace, where can i paste it?
06:19<jm_>!paste
06:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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06:22<candido>jm_: in paste.debian. net ->3880 code
06:22<jm_>candido: can you paste the URL? it gave you full URL when you pasted it
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06:22<jm_>ahh it says candido
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06:25<candido>http://paste.debian.net/17288/
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06:28<jm_>candido: check which process listens on this socket: /tmp/.ICE-unix/3619
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06:33<sheldonh>does debian add logrotate magic to ignore .dpkg-old files in /etc/logrotate.d?
06:34<candido>lsoft /tmp/.ICE-unix/3619 http://paste.debian.net/17289
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06:35<jm_>sheldonh: man logrotate /tabooext
06:36<jm_>candido: where's lsof output there?
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06:39<variable>if i install sun-java6-plugin so i don't need to make copy of plugin and put it to firefox/plugins dir?
06:40<jm_>yes
06:40<candido>http://paste.debian.net/17291/
06:40<candido>sorry, i need go out about 15 minutes,...see you
06:42<sheldonh>jm_: i just don't understand how debian isn't the obvious and only linux :(
06:43<sheldonh>jm_: the answer to just about any debian question makes perfect sense
06:43<jm_>sheldonh: heh
06:43<variable>jm_, how to check it if there is the lates version of java plugin?
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06:46<jm_>variable: apt-cache policy pkgname
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06:48<MoL0ToV>hi to all
06:48<MoL0ToV>i gome from gentoo, i'm new debian user
06:49<Lethalman>MoL0ToV, me too
06:49<MoL0ToV>i have a question, when i upgrade all system, the configuration of variour programs remains or i must reconfigure all?
06:49<Lethalman>MoL0ToV, you will be asked just like gentoo about the configuration
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06:50<MoL0ToV>Lethalman, exist a tool like etc-update ?
06:50<Lethalman>MoL0ToV, no need for it, but you will be asked if you want to change your configurations (replace it, keep it, etc.)
06:50<Lethalman>debconf is more powerful
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06:50<MoL0ToV>so i can upgrade a server, 1 year old without problems?
06:50<Lethalman>ah well i don't know :) i think you can
06:51<MoL0ToV>:P
06:51<Lethalman>i guess you can debian is a robust software
06:51<MoL0ToV>there are samba as PDC
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06:51<MoL0ToV>and much data
06:51<MoL0ToV>othervise i install gentoo
06:51<MoL0ToV>but i can't...
06:51<MoL0ToV>is in production
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06:52<Lethalman>keep in mind debian release time is 1-2 years, so upgrading must be good
06:52<MoL0ToV>thx
06:53<buffoon_work>MoL0ToV, i would consider you to backup /etc and maybe make an image of the whole machine before doing an upgrade of a production machine, but it shouldn't overwrite you configurations without asking
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06:53<MoL0ToV>ok thx
06:53<MoL0ToV>now i go to eat
06:54<MoL0ToV>i need beer and hot dog
06:54<MoL0ToV>:)
06:54<MoL0ToV>bye
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06:55<hogmogspaufel>hi. i need help... while updating apt misses the file /usr/lib/apt/methods/mirror. won't update at all. couldnt find it anywhere but in ubuntu repos which causes an error...
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06:57<hogmogspaufel>hello? anyone?
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06:58<jm_>apt misses that file? are you using Debian?
06:59<hogmogspaufel>yes
06:59<hogmogspaufel>i'm wondering too, for it's not in the apt package
07:00<candido>jm_: hi
07:00<candido>http://paste.debian.net/17291/
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07:02<jm_>candido: run netstat -nap|grep 'LISTEN.*ICE'
07:02<jm_>what's the error from apt then?
07:02<hogmogspaufel>E: Der Treiber für Methode /usr/lib/apt/methods/mirror konnte nicht gefunden werden. which would be: the method driver ... could not be found
07:03<candido>unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10320 3619/x-session-mana /tmp/.ICE-unix/3619
07:03<hogmogspaufel>says it twice
07:03<weasel>hogmogspaufel: paste your sources.list on paste.debian.net or a similar place
07:04<weasel>I bet you forgot to say http://
07:04<jm_>candido: i'd try to strace that then
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07:07<hogmogspaufel>http://paste.debian.net/17294/
07:07<candido>jm_:http://paste.debian.net/17295/
07:09<weasel>hogmogspaufel: um.
07:09<jm_>candido: I don't see any big pauses there, try to strace both at the same time and compare the output (it was the read from ICE socket that's taking 10s)
07:09<weasel>hogmogspaufel: anything in your apt.conf* files/dirs?
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07:10<candido>jm_ : thanks ... see you
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07:11<hogmogspaufel>don't really know what to look for but regarding apt.conf and apt.conffiles, which i found, there's nothing that seems strange to me
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07:14<jm_>hogmogspaufel: are you sure you're not using something like apt-cacher? or apt-proxy?
07:15<jm_>hogmogspaufel: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' and 'dpkg -l libc6' say?
07:16<jm_>also 'dpkg -l apt'
07:17<hogmogspaufel>first: lenny/sid
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07:17<hogmogspaufel>second: ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
07:17<hogmogspaufel>third: ii apt 0.7.14+b1 Advanced front-end for dpkg
07:19<jm_>hogmogspaufel: the mirror method looks like an Ubuntu patch
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07:23<hogmogspaufel>do you think removing apt and reinstalling the package via dpkg could help?
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07:23<jm_>i have no idea what to say, you do seem to have the version from Debian
07:25<Lethalman>hogmogspaufel, could you translate that error message in english?
07:26<jm_>it means the driver for method ... can not be found
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07:26<Lethalman>ok
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07:26<hogmogspaufel>the english equivalent is The method driver ... could not be found i thik
07:27<jm_>perhaps check if you have any Acquire mirror statementes somewhere
07:27<Lethalman>yes something like Bin::Methods
07:27<Lethalman>hogmogspaufel, look for "Methods" in your /etc/apt
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07:30<hogmogspaufel>okay i found something
07:30<hogmogspaufel>and i remember something
07:30<hogmogspaufel>...
07:30<hogmogspaufel>installing playdeb.
07:31<hogmogspaufel>works again.
07:31<hogmogspaufel>thanks, i'm an idiot
07:31<themill>playdeb?
07:31<hogmogspaufel>it's a nonfree game repository which seems to be designed for ubuntu
07:32<Lethalman>ah :)
07:32<themill>!bobbitt
07:32<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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07:33<hogmogspaufel>there was a file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/playdeb.list.save which says: deb mirror://...
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07:34<themill>hogmogspaufel: ahh... the mirror protocol seems to be an ubuntuism. It doesn't seem to exist anywhere in debian.
07:34<themill>dpkg: find usr/lib/apt/methods/mirror sid
07:34<Lethalman>no mirror: is not in apt sources by default
07:35<themill>dpkg, hurry up
07:35<dpkg>no fsck you!
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07:36<hogmogspaufel>aah!
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07:38<hogmogspaufel>are you familiar with the problem of getting testing-proposed instead of lenny-proposed updates?
07:39<hogmogspaufel>if not, it's no problem. i'll have to work anyway
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07:44<hogmogspaufel>thanks again and gbye
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08:09<variable>i lunched kate editor and there is terminal implemented as i know but when i press on terminal there is nothing shows
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08:42<pbn>Hi there. On a lenny machine I was running a stock Debian 2.6.24 kernel. I did aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 and the linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 got installed. However with that kernel I can't get VMware Server to start. Now I'm trying to go back to 2.6.24, I did aptitude remove linux-image-2.6-686. Now when I do "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 linux-headers-2.6.24-1.686
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08:42<jm_>pbn: your message was to long (linux-headers-2.6.24-1.686...)
08:42<pbn>all I get is: No candidate version found for linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
08:42<pbn>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-2.6.24-1.686"
08:43<jm_>you'll most likely need to get it from sdn
08:43<pbn>jm_: ah :) what is sdn ?
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08:44<jm_>!tell pbn about sdn
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08:45<pbn>aaah ok thank you jm_ :)
08:45<pbn>jm_: wait, I got a large debian mirror, it's probably still there... ?
08:46<jm_>pbn: personal mirror or what? you can check it by hand I suppose
08:46<jm_>pbn: (also check apt's cache dir)
08:47<pbn>jm_: "corporate" mirror... that is for the whole company
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08:48<jm_>the issue with 2.6.26 should be resolved in 2.6.27
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08:48<shenxx>´ó¼ÒºÃ
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08:49<shenxx>Ŷ
08:49<pbn>jm_: the vmware issue ?
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08:49<jm_>pbn: if it's the same thing as I am thinking, then yes
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09:23<ranix>I'm having hell of problems with ati fglrx drivers
09:23<buffoon_work>I guess a lot of ppl do...
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09:24<ranix>the refresh rate and resolution settings in the Screen section of xorg.conf are ignored
09:24<jm_>did you check X logfile?
09:24<ranix>I can put a Modeline in the device section, that seems to universally crash X to an unrecoverable black hole
09:25<ranix>No jm_, haven't checked the X logfile
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09:26<jm_>it might tell you why it's ignored
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09:27<ranix>I'll take a look, thanks for the tip
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09:42<tom-bbl>hi is anyone here familiar with alphas
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09:45<petemc>i wouldnt say familiar but ive owned a few alphas at one point or another
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09:47<tom-bbl>i've got 2, unfortunately the second one always crashes
09:47<petemc>presumably they're old?
09:48<tom-bbl>i was thinking maybe something to do with unaligned memory access?
09:48<tom-bbl>the alpha that works, i see "unaligned memory exception" or whatever i can't remember the exact words
09:48<tom-bbl>the second alpha, it just seems to crash out
09:49<petemc>perhaps you could go back to the scrap heap that you got them from and get two more
09:50<petemc>but seriously, i definately dont know enough to help you
09:50<petemc>my knowledge doesnt extend passed using srm to boot debian
09:51<tom-bbl>ok thanks
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10:28<jose_>hello
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10:29<jackyf>hi
10:30<jose_>does anybody know how to connect in irc.via-rs.com.br:6667?
10:30<jose_>with xchat
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10:34<pbn>okay, solved the problem, now VMware boots in 2.6.26 :)
10:34<jose_>is the irc.via-rs.com.br:6667 dead?
10:35<pbn>but, no sound anymor in 2.6.26. From what I've found by googling it appears thes olution is to add option snd_hda_intel=something in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file... what I have not found yet is what "something" is in my case :)
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10:35<cahoot>pbn: look in kernel-parameters.txt
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10:37<pbn>cahoot: thank you but.. where is that file ? :)
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10:38<cahoot>google says here f ex: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
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10:41<pbn>cahoot: thank you
10:41<pbn>but I was talking about parameters in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
10:41<pbn>not kernel parameters...
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10:45<cahoot>sorry my bad - http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt
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11:03<jthomas>Is there any reason why PPTP in an XP session on VirtualBox wouldn't work? (Debian Lenny)
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11:08<buffoon_work>jthomas, it should work if you get internet access with windows
11:08<buffoon_work>in theory
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11:10<jthomas>that was my thought, and internet works... other people can do pptp fine, but not me in my VirtualBox
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11:19<buffoon_work>i'm not that much into pptp but maybe it gets difficult for it if it gets 2 translated addresses (2x nat). Have you tried bridged networking?
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11:20<buffoon_work>or are you behind a firewall that blocks you?
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11:25<buffoon_work>well, gotta go now... bye
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11:28<MetalWolf>hi. has anyone else had issues with the ia64 netinstall disk not booting? just before I burn another copy after re-downloading it...
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11:30<Guest7096>Hi
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11:32<themill>MetalWolf: what are you trying to install on?
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11:33<SamuraiDio>i have an issue with udb storage devices. udev creates the /dev/sda, but the device does not appear on devices sectin of nautilus/thunar/konqueror
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11:33<SamuraiDio>how can i fix this, my i have a missing package?
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11:33<themill>!automount
11:33<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
11:34<themill>pick your approach
11:34<MetalWolf>sorry themill had to check something
11:35<MetalWolf>its a intel core 2 quad q6600
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11:35<MetalWolf>when booting up it just doesn't see the CD as bootable.
11:36<themill>MetalWolf: then you don't want ia64
11:36<themill>!ia64
11:36<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
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11:36<MetalWolf>oh ok...
11:36<themill>MetalWolf: if you want 64-bit then use amd64; you can also use i386 with a -686 kernel
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11:37<MetalWolf>I think I've got the AMD64 cd here somewhere from my other machine...
11:38<MetalWolf>well that solved my problem. thanks themill
11:38<themill>:)
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11:41<MetalWolf>off to install again.... thanks. bye
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11:44<Guest7097>hi all!!!
11:45<Guest7097>debian is not install in Asus X50V
11:45<Guest7097>hard disk not detected
11:45<Guest7097>help me
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11:47<jackyf>Guest6712: what version of Debian?
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11:47<Guest7097>40r4a
11:48<daniiel>what kinda harddrive?
11:48<jackyf>try to install lenny beta
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11:49<themill>!etchnhalf
11:49<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts>
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11:52<Guest7097>ok
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11:56<Guest7097>I it is install through lenny???
11:56<jackyf>Guest6712: retell, please
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11:57<Guest7097>first install lenny
11:57<Guest7097>?
11:58<jackyf>firstly try etch-n-half
11:58<jackyf>if error remain, try install lenny
11:58<amphi>why not lenny? it's going to be the stable branch RSN
11:59<jackyf>amphi: stable branch is more prefereed for new users, not?
11:59<Guest7097>ok i am try
11:59<Guest7097>senks
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12:03<daniiel>i've actually had more problems with stable than lenny. might just be me.
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12:16<pitu>hi all
12:16<pitu>please i have got a trouble
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12:17<pitu>i am now on gnome but i want openbox so i install openbox and now i must edit .xsession or .xinitrc but i havent got this in my home folder so i can make it and writo to them exec openbox-session
12:17<pitu> ? lol
12:18<pitu>please help
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12:18<thedonvaughn>pitu: do you use gdm to log into X? if you used debian package to install openbox, it should have create an session file for you. In gdm window just change your session from gnome to openbox
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12:20<pitu>thedonvaughn, heh thanx hmm i install openbox so aptitude install openbox :) so what must i do now ?
12:21<pitu>i must change session from gnome to openbox how talk you too but i dont knew where:-[
12:21<thedonvaughn>pitu: nothing, log off gnome. When you are at your gdm login screen, click on "Session" and change to openbox.
12:21<pitu>sorry for my english, btw
12:21<pitu>yeah ?
12:21<pitu>relly ?
12:21<pitu>so
12:22<pitu>i now reboot
12:22<pitu>and in my login screen i change session gnome to openbox ? its all ?
12:22<thedonvaughn>yup
12:23<pitu>so, i am going to try it thanx a much :)
12:23<pitu>be right back at 10 minutes,, cca :D bye
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12:25<algspd>hello world
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12:26<pitu>hm ::(
12:26<algspd>can anyone help me avoiding arp attack from a virtual machine to the local network?
12:26<algspd>there is no static routing switch
12:26<weasel>*blink*
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12:26<pitu>thedonvaughn, i click sessions, openbox session and it show only my wallpaper and mouse cursor, :((
12:27<amphi>pitu: what do you expect?
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12:27<daniiel>thats the default for openbox
12:27<amphi>pitu: right click on the root window, and you should get a menu
12:27<pitu>hm
12:27<pitu>so
12:27<daniiel>deliciously minimalistic=)
12:28<algspd>there are machines, connected to a switch, one of them runs openvz and there is a VM and a bad person in it, he can't jump to the host but he is root, so he can run ettercap/foo
12:28<pitu>i login in openbox session
12:28<pitu>and i click right button and get a menu ?
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12:28<algspd>any idea
12:29<algspd>?
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12:29<thedonvaughn>pitu: yup, by default with openbox it's pretty minimal
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12:31<pitu>lol thanx
12:31<pitu>but
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12:31<pitu>i havent got there any get menu :/
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12:32<jthomas__>on Debian how can I specify in the 'adduser' command that users password?
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12:33<ranix>jthomas__: you can't as far as I know
12:33<ranix>jthomas__: for security reasons
12:34<jthomas__>eh makes it painful to script tho
12:34<jthomas__>thanks
12:35<pitu>hey mens
12:35<pitu>openbox
12:35<pitu>is only window manager ?
12:35<pitu>so i must go GNOME/openbox ?
12:35<pitu>session
12:35<pitu>am so noob :(
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12:36<jthomas__>or KDE/openbox
12:36<jthomas__>but i believe that is correct, its only a WM
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12:36<pitu>aha lol am noob :D
12:37<pitu>and what is window manager ? that i click on wall and there is appz or.. :( please explain me that
12:37<daniiel>you can use openbox by itself, but you probably want a desktop environment, as a "noob" ++
12:37<amphi>pitu: you could run some other panel with openbox, if that's what you want
12:37<jthomas__>it manages windows, so that they can be resized, overlap, closed, etc...
12:37<pitu>aha thanx
12:38<pitu>aaaa
12:38<pitu>thanx a much :)
12:38<jthomas__>of course
12:38<pitu>okey so i can play with this, brb :D
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12:41<pitu>a will be on fluxbox
12:42<pitu>i must learn english me en is terrible :(
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12:42<jthomas__>just hang out in here and read it; stay polite; and don't worry about it :)
12:42<ranix>there are other debian channels for other languages if you have a problem you can't express in english
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12:43<ranix>also, some people here are multilingual or understand a dabbling of european languages
12:43<pitu>yes i knew but on slovak/czech irc dont write answer s fast :)
12:43<ranix>aah
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12:44<ranix>a buddy of mine is czech, if you have a horrible problem I could have him translate
12:44<pitu>what is better gnome/openbox or fluxbox :P ?
12:44<pitu>hehe thanx :P
12:44<jthomas__>kde ;)
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12:44<pitu>i dont like kde :(
12:44<ranix>I dislike kde and use xfce personallyu
12:44<ranix>-u
12:44<ranix>I also use/have used fluxbox
12:44<jthomas__>pitu i would just install gnome then and let it take care of the WM for now
12:44<ranix>I find xfce more convenient
12:44<pitu>hm
12:44<pitu>so
12:45<jthomas__>default in gnome is metacity WM i think
12:45<pitu>now i go to gnome./openbox to try it w8 please :D
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12:45<jthomas__>w8?
12:45<jthomas__>oh
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12:45<jthomas__>wait
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12:45<ranix>hah
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12:46<jthomas__>pitu if you want to learn english, we use english not 'w8'-type communications... you will get more help if you communicate clearly :)
12:46<zeta>what do i add to my sources.list so i can get the flashplugin-nonfree?
12:46<zeta>i'm on lenny
12:47<noflash>jthomas__, it quit 12:45 -!- pitu [~pitu@78.141.95.147] has quit
12:47<jthomas__>i just download the tarball from Adobe and run its installer script, very simple
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12:47<ranix>zeta: I agree, use the iceweasel plugin or binary tarball
12:47<pitu>fluxbox is best :P
12:47<jthomas__>it just creates a .mozilla/adobe/ folder or something and copies the binary there
12:48<ranix>zeta: it's updated faster than the debian package is modified
12:48<pitu>but i must learn about it :D
12:48<zeta>i've konqueror =X
12:48<zeta>dont have ff installed
12:48<zeta>to make things worse i'm on 64bit
12:48<jthomas__>yes it does
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12:51<zeta>anyone?
12:52<daniiel>zeta, try the adobe script?
12:52<chealer>zeta: contrib
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12:52<zeta>it's not 64-bit compatible
12:52<daniiel>oh
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12:52<zeta>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
12:52<zeta>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
12:52<zeta>I already have contrib
12:52<chealer>zeta: unstable contrib, actually
12:52<zeta>oh
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12:53<jthomas__>why unstable?
12:53<zeta>W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release Unable to find expected entry unstable/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file
12:53<chealer>jthomas__: because flashplugin-nonfree isn't in testing
12:53<jthomas__>i think there is some needed workaround to use 32b Flash on 64b Linux, not sure what tho
12:53<jthomas__>aah
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12:54<zeta>it was so easy on ubuntu =(
12:54<jthomas__>they probably did the work for you?
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12:54<zeta>yeah
12:55<epicprops>i dont find debian any harder to install / use than ubuntu :/
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12:55<daniiel>amd64 or ia64?
12:55<zeta>um
12:56<zeta>is there a difference?
12:56<zeta>ia64
12:56<zeta>since it's intel
12:56<zeta>To do only once : Edit /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list to allow flashplugin-nonfree from Debian unstable to be installed on your Debian testing system.
12:56<amphi>zeta: ia64 is itanium
12:56<zeta>ohh
12:56<zeta>then amd64
12:57<jthomas__>yeah, both intel and amd are amd64
12:57<jthomas__>since amd created the platform
12:57<zeta>do i just add the word unstable after: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/
12:57<jthomas__>unstable free contrib non-free
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12:58<Tuplad>cahoot: hey, are you there ? :}
12:58<daniiel>what about like gnash? does that work for 64?
12:58<epicprops>i havent had lot of luck with that flush plugin, it works, but with Opera sometimes i have to restart the browser half a dozen times to get the plugin to load
12:58<epicprops>works though
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12:58<jthomas__>great question, not sure how well gnash works in general
12:59<daniiel>!gnash
12:59<dpkg>gnash is probably a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch>
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12:59<epicprops>gotta give props to the developers, hard work keeping up with everything
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13:00<chealer>zeta: no
13:00<chealer>!tell zeta about tum
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13:01<epicprops>bbl
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13:01<cahoot>Tuplad: yes
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13:02<Tuplad>cahoot: you remember what we spoke about yesterday ? maybe if you have time could you help me with readressing card1 as card0 ? :}
13:03<cahoot>see if dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base does any good
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13:05<Tuplad>cahoot: nope... I had the choice between alsa and oss, chose alsa.
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13:06<daniiel>do you have 2 sound cards?
13:06<cahoot>Tuplad: ok you can force your card to get index 0 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
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13:07<Tuplad>daniiel: no I dont, afaik
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13:15<Tuplad>cahoot: hmmm
13:15<Tuplad>cahoot: options snd-usb-audio index=-2 is what I've got right now, should I change it to 0 ?
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13:15<cahoot>weel you need use the name of your cards module
13:16<cahoot>options <snd-module> index=0
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13:17<Tuplad>that's probably it
13:17<cahoot>then restart alsa and check aplay -l
13:17<Tuplad>how do I restart alsa? >.<
13:17<cahoot>Tuplad: cat /proc/asound/modules
13:18<Tuplad>cahoot: returns: 1 snd_usb_audio
13:18<cahoot>ok that's as you guessed then
13:18<cahoot>alsa forse-reload?
13:18<cahoot>force
13:19<Tuplad>oh my goodness ·|
13:19<Tuplad>:|
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13:20<Tuplad>it works!
13:20<Tuplad>but what I do find weird is that I have no sound in my browser ;(
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13:22<cahoot>you mean flash?
13:22<Tuplad>yes
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13:22<cahoot>fuser -v /dev/sdn/* /dev/dsp*
13:22<cahoot>err fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
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13:24<Tuplad>cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/1203503
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13:25<cahoot>see if flash produses audible output if you kill exaile
13:25<cahoot>meh
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13:27<Tuplad>cahoot: it does, but no sound...
13:27<Tuplad>http://pastebin.ca/1203507
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13:38<johan_>Hello
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13:45<daniiel>hi johan_
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14:11<echo_>I'm running etch with tomcat5 (5.0.30-12etch1) and I noticed I might be vulnerable to http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-0128. I noticed on the Debian page that there are only fixes for tomcat5.5 but no mention of tomcat5. Are there any other places I could check to see if I am actually vulnerable or if there are any available upgrade packages?
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14:14<eliteforce>hello, currently my mta (exim) delivers mails to my fqdn only. I want to make it deliver mail to any address, but what options do I have to protect it from abuse?
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14:20<chealer>echo_: did you check the link to http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2008-0128 ? "Debian/stable not vulnerable" seems wrong but it says it's vulnerable later.
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14:22<echo_>chealer: I hadn't noticed that link
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14:23<coon>can someone tell me why when i go to system settings and click on any of the icons like desktop my screen goes weird and logs me out and i have to log back in i cant make any changes because of this
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14:25<Pryon>what do you mean by "system settings", exactly?
14:25<coon>k menu>system settings>desktop
14:25<Pryon>Ah. Sorry, I'm running gnome
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14:26<coon>i got compiz fusion installed and now i cant make any changes to machine
14:26<coon>system
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14:27<coon>compiz works but like i said i cant make any changes now ]
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14:30<echo_>chealer: thanks!
14:30<JRHartley>coon: you could try uninstalling all compiz-related stuff. as far as i can make out, compiz is a filtering mechanism for the weak-willed and gullible ...
14:31<coon>k thx
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14:41<aphexer>I'd like to patch apache for in-house use. How do I do this so debian package tools can work with these packages in a decent way? The first thing I'm not sure about is the version number. Do I need to create a changelog entry after patching, before compiling? If so, what version number do I give it?
14:42<dondelelcaro>aphexer: what's the patch that you actually need?
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14:42<dondelelcaro>(the first suggestion is not to patch, because that's going to increase your maintenance burden)
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14:45<aphexer>dondelelcaro: yeah I know, there is already a bug filed for it. I want to change the docroot of apache's suexec
14:45<dondelelcaro>aphexer: you don't need to patch apache for that
14:45<dondelelcaro>aphexer: just divert suexec away, compile it with your custom suexec, and install it
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14:46<dondelelcaro>(that's a pretty normal thing to need a different document root for, and there's a trivial way to do it)
14:47<dondelelcaro>if you're deploying on tons of machines, you can even make a package that does just that... but it's not necessary
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14:47<aphexer>dondelelcaro: can you elaborate a little more?:) What do you mean with compile with my custom suexec? I just thought changing this one little line in debian/rules that specified docroot=/var/www... Looked pretty simple to me.
14:48<dondelelcaro>aphexer: suexec is just a tiny binary that is setuid and setuid()s to the appropriate user.
14:48<aphexer>yes
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14:48<dondelelcaro>aphexer: to change just that, you just rebuild suexec itself in the unpacked apache sources with the appropriate docroot, and then install it
14:49<aphexer>you suggest i install apache from the repositories, then manually replace suexec, outside of package manager's control?
14:49<dondelelcaro>aphexer: (after diverting the copy of suexec that apache installs)
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14:49<aphexer>dondelelcaro: diverting?
14:49<aphexer>is that something debian specific?
14:49<dondelelcaro>aphexer: no, I suggest you use the package manager to *indicate* that you've replaced it, by use of diversions.
14:49<aphexer>oh that's new to me
14:49<aphexer>I'll look it up
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14:50<themill>!divert
14:50<dpkg>Don't try to convince dpkg to overwrite files and don't start playing with "--force" options for dpkg. Instead, "divert" one of the files out of the way so that there is no conflict. See man dpkg-divert and also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html. Working with the package management system is much easier than trying to work against it.
14:50<dondelelcaro>aphexer: there's also the apache2-suexec-custom package
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14:54<aphexer>dondelelcaro: unfortunately apache2-suexec-custom is not in etch. It does seem the best solution for this particular problem though. Can I easily backport it myself to etch? backports.org doesn't have it.
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14:54<cusco>hi
14:54<dondelelcaro>aphexer: it's part of apache2; in etch I've personally done this just using a diversion
14:55<cusco>any sugestions on a tool to connect to mobile phones?
14:55<c36pop>hi i have a problem with nautilus when i plug a usb drive , neither the autorun nor the desktop icon appears. But in the file explorer , under computer:/// the volume name appears , if i click once on it i m redirected to the / folder and the second time a click on it i have access to the files and the desktop icon appear. Could somebody help please . I get that problem after removing old unused kernels in Lenny
14:55<themill>dondelelcaro: just in case you don't know, dpkg bot on freenode seems to be joining/parting every few minutes.
14:55<cusco>I found cobex trough apt
14:55<dondelelcaro>themill: yes, I'm causing it
14:55<themill>dondelelcaro: figured that was probably the reason. Either that or it's deeply unhappy and wanted your love.
14:57<JRHartley>c36pop: "old unused kernels" have absolutely no bearing on your desktop icons
14:58<c36pop>JRHartley : i havereinstalled HAL - UDEV - GNOME-VFS ,PMOUNT... nothing help
14:59<JRHartley>c36pop: are you a member of the "plugdev" group ?
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15:00<aphexer>dondelelcaro: so I'd just download the apache2 sources+diff from lenny, and use dpkg-buildpackage to build it on an etch machine? That's the "backporting process"? (just so I don't miss anything...)
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15:00<c36pop>JRHartley : yes
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15:03<JRHartley>c36pop: my best guess is that you have been trying to "clean up" and have removed important files. it is essential to *log* all changes to your system, so that they can be reversed if necessary
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15:04<cusco>hi... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doens't ask me video options? only keyboard
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15:06<c36pop>JRHartley : Maybe. thanks indeed
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15:09<sk8_dita>oi
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15:10<sk8_dita>o q
15:11<cusco>oi
15:12<cusco>o que o que
15:12<sk8_dita>quem e vc
15:12<cusco>sou um cara com rola grande
15:12<cusco>e vc?
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15:13<sk8_dita>meu pau vai ate a lua
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15:14<sk8_dita>fala alguma coisa
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15:15<cusco>nao
15:15<sk8_dita>entao vai se foder
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15:22<sk8_dita>O Q
15:23<eliteforce>what do I need to set in exim, so it just accepts mail from MUAs that succeed to authenticate (against /etc/shadow)
15:23<sk8_dita>fdshgdhsyd sgudys asdçjyhsd eç.o444l4l4ç rkkrkrk
15:23<sk8_dita>bvnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnbbbbbbbbbbvvvvvvvvvvbnnn
15:24<teratoma>eliteforce: i think you should search for for 'exim' and 'pam authentication'
15:25<sk8_dita>fala seu fi da disgraça
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15:29<sk8_dita>ffgdsfg
15:31<eliteforce>teratoma: hmm looks complicated, is there an easier way to use a simple file as userdb?
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15:33<Yuri->hi, i'm using lenny
15:33<Yuri->why when i try to install virtualbox apt wants to install an old linux kernel?
15:33<sk8_dita>vc e viado ha ha ha ha ha ha
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15:34<Yuri->sorry not an old, but a 486, but i'm using 686
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15:39<chealer>Yuri-: how do you try to install vritualbox?
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15:40<Yuri->chealer, sudo apt-get install virtualbox
15:40<Yuri->?
15:40<Lethalman>mh no
15:41<Lethalman>it should be virtualbox-ose
15:41<Yuri->Lethalman, one moment
15:42<Yuri->yes, it's the same
15:42<Yuri->apt wants to install linux-image-2.6.26-1-486
15:42<Yuri->but i have linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
15:43<Yuri->ok, I will install qemu :D
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15:44<chealer>Yuri-: because virtualbox-ose recommends virtualbox-ose-modules. you can try # apt-get -o 'APT::Install-Recommends="false"' install virtualbox-ose
15:45<Yuri->chealer, but in this way it will works?
15:45<sp>Yuri-: explicitly installing virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686 did the trick for me
15:45<sp>Yuri-: as in apt-get install virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686 virtualbox-ose
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15:47<Yuri->sp you are wonderfull, i love you
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15:48<sp>:)
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15:49<Yuri->sp, sorry, what is better between qemu and vb?
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15:51<sp>Yuri-: depends on what you need, want and what you prefer
15:51<sp>Yuri-: personally I prefer virtualbox because it comes with a usable GUI interface to do all the configuration
15:51<Yuri->sp i want to try kubuntu for kde4
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15:57<sp>Yuri-: I believe virtualbox is a bit more user-friendly, so you might want to go for virtualbox in this case
15:57<Yuri->ok, thx sp ;)
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15:58<tdrusk>Not sure where to ask this, but it may be a bug. I installed ndiswrapper through apt-get in Lenny and went to "modprobe ndiswrapper" and it gave me a "FATAL module ndiswrapper does not exist". I ended up compiling it from sourceforge, but shouldn't this work or am I doing something wrong?
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16:01<sp>tralala: which package did you install? the kernel module itself seems to be included in ndiswrapper-source and comes in source code, which means you have to compile it yourself
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16:03<sp>tdrusk: that was directed at you, sorry, damn auto-completion
16:03<sp>tdrusk: anyways, you can compile it using module-assistant (see http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant for details)
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16:04<tdrusk>spion: I installed ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 Shouldn't that be everything needed?
16:04<sp>tdrusk: no, because the kernel module, the actual ndiswrapper code, is missing
16:05<tdrusk>Ah okay. Just making sure it wasn't a bug or something. Thanks
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16:05<miksuh>any idea why lenny live cd is 733MB? How is that supposed to be burned to 700MB CD? :)
16:05<tdrusk>spion: that was to you
16:05<sp>tdrusk: you are welcome
16:05<miksuh>http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/current/i386/iso-cd/
16:06<miksuh>I mean Lenny GNOME lice-cd
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16:07<tdrusk>miksuh: There are 800 mb cdr
16:07<tdrusk>miksuh: http://www.burnsmart.com/9099mincd-r.html
16:07<tdrusk>miksuh: but it is irritating. netinst ftw!
16:07<coucou>miksuh: this is a know problem supposed to be solved in the next version I think :)
16:08<tdrusk>miksuh: I love how the kde-desktop.iso is 702mb :P
16:09<coucou>hehe, same here
16:10<coucou>I tried compiling the latest wine from source, everything is fine... well except that I don't have the alsa driver.
16:10<coucou>anyone got experience with this ?
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16:13<Bach1685>May I ask a stupid installation question here..?
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16:13<Bach1685>(or is everyone asleep..?)
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16:13<coucou>all you risk is to be rtfmed :p
16:13<Bach1685>haha
16:14<Bach1685>OK, management summary first then: how do I get "make" on a base netinst install?
16:14<cogwheel>apt-get install make?
16:14<Bach1685>I'm trying to install 4.0r4a on a Vostro 200, which has an unsupported network card
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16:14<Bach1685>found on the net that I need to continue the install without network support
16:15<Bach1685>then download the e1000 driver from the intel website
16:15<Bach1685>got it on my Debian system with a USB key
16:15<Bach1685>but can't "make" the sources.
16:15<Bach1685>make: command not found.
16:15<Bach1685>apt-get install make:
16:15<Bach1685>E: Couldn't find package make.
16:15<cahoot>build-essential
16:15<Bach1685>gcc is also apparently called gcc-4.1 on my system
16:15<chealer>Bach1685: which Linux version introduced support for the card?
16:16<Bach1685>Umm... not sure
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16:16<Bach1685>I was first fiddling with 4.0r3
16:16<Bach1685>and hoped the new iso would have support in it (just burned 4.0r4a)
16:16<Bach1685>but to no avail, so I am trying to build the driver manually
16:16<quitte>hi. is it possible to use pktcdvd with multiple prtitions on a cd or dvd?
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16:16<cahoot>it's present in 2.6.26
16:16<Bach1685>Couldn't find package "build-essential" either
16:17<chealer>Bach1685: all Debian 4 versions install and will always install with Linux 2.6.18
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16:17<Bach1685>OK, I just figured that out (uname -a)
16:17<quitte>i would like to have one partition on a cd with squashfs-lzma and use pktcdvd make that rw with the help of unionfs or whatever is the merging filesystem right now
16:17<Bach1685>so is there an even more recent netinst (an "unstable" one or something) which has >= 2.6.26?
16:18<chealer>Bach1685: ...meaning that if Linux 2.6.18 doesn't support the card, etch will never support it during installation.
16:18<Bach1685>No that's fine with me - I'm willing to build the driver myself
16:18<chealer>Bach1685: yes
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16:18<Bach1685>but I was expecting that a simple "make install" would do the trick
16:18<Bach1685>I assumed that a full gcc/binutils/make system would be part of the base install
16:18<quitte>chealer: uhm etcnhalf has a more recent kernel. 2.6.24 iirc.
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16:19<chealer>quitte: yes, but it cannot be used during installation
16:19<Bach1685>So should I download a full CD installer instead..? Does that give me a working "make"?
16:19<quitte>it can not? what' the point then?
16:20<themill>chealer: there's a 2.6.24 install image
16:20<lasse2>Hi. I was wondering if anyone can help me debug a suspend/resume problem on a HP pavillion dv5000-series laptop?
16:20<coucou>would it work to load the packages you need to the same usb key and dpkg -i them ?
16:20<Bach1685>Probably coucou - but which packages would that be?
16:20<Bach1685>(dpkg -i == apt-get?)
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16:21<Bach1685>as yuo can imagine, googling for "debian install make" gives me quite a few hits
16:21<Bach1685>none of which seem to be very useful :-)
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16:22<chealer>themill: interesting. where is it?
16:22<KaiSVK>hi all, i would like to ask, If I install 64bit Debian testing, is there some way to use native sun java plugin? what are downsites of 64bit Debian ?
16:22<coucou>Bach1685: the build-essential package has dependencies on what you would need I think
16:22<Lethalman>KaiSVK, no way for java plugin
16:23<coucou>Bach1685: well, maybe not everythinf
16:23<themill>chealer: it's a modification of lenny d-i b2 that was released with etch-n-half for this purpose: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf
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16:23<KaiSVK>Lethalman: I need it for work :( so I have to install 32bit ? :(
16:23<coucou>Bach1685: apt-get won't work in your case if you don't have network access
16:23<Lethalman>KaiSVK, you can create a chroot and run your browser from there, many people do it
16:23<chealer>quitte: the only problem with using 2.6.18 during installation is if the 2.6.24 functionality you want is "core", like network card drivers and HDD drivers. other improvements can be useful even if you don't get them during the install.
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16:24<KaiSVK>Lethalman: that seems difficult :(
16:24<Bach1685>coucou, understood. I will try to download the "make" package via the USB key.
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16:24<Bach1685>(I'll be AFK for a while, I'll let you know how things go - thanks so far!!)
16:25<Lethalman>KaiSVK, this is one of the tutorials out there: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/583/print
16:25<coucou>Bach1685: have a look here for dependencies of build-essential : http://packages.debian.org/etch/build-essential
16:25<Lethalman>KaiSVK, errr: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/583
16:26<KaiSVK>any sings of Sun releasing 64bit java plugin ? :(
16:26<coucou>Isn't there a plugin with the openjdk ? maybe still in beta though
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16:27<themill>not in debian there isn't.
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16:27<chealer>KaiSVK: not before Java 7
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16:27<Lethalman>KaiSVK, i'd wait more for nspluginwrapper to support java instead ;)
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16:28<pbn>hello, I'm trying to "find back" the .deb for linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 for Lenny. Yes I know there is snapshot.debian.net but I can't find it there....
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16:29<chealer>KaiSVK: that's the main downside, AFAIK. and all other non-free software.
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16:29<chealer>themill: thanks
16:29<themill>no worries
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16:30<Bach1685>make works now
16:30<Bach1685>but I need kernel-devel for building the driver...
16:30<Bach1685>brb again :-)
16:31<chealer>Bach1685: forget what I wrote earlier. there are etch images that install 2.6.24 for x86.
16:31<Bach1685>But don't I need 2.6.26?
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16:31<Bach1685>(that's what I read above)
16:32<Bach1685>Can I simply dpkg -i a new kernel too?
16:32<coucou>KaiSVK: icedtea is the name of the openjdk_with_plugin project : http://icedtea.classpath.org/
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16:32<chealer>Bach1685: where did you read that? cahoot only said it was present in 2.6.26, not that it was exclusive to 2.6.26
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16:32<Bach1685>true
16:32<Bach1685>that's me making assumptions :-)
16:32<chealer>Bach1685: yes
16:32<Bach1685>Are you sure it's in 24 then?
16:32<chealer>Bach1685: no
16:32<themill>which module?
16:32<Bach1685>e1000, in the version which supports the Dell Vostro 200
16:33<curtis>anyone have Nvidia 8800gt?
16:33<themill>Bach1685: do you know the PCI-ID or module version number required?
16:34<Bach1685>themill: can I find out?
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16:34<Bach1685>I don't seem to have lspci or pcidump in the netinst
16:34<themill>Bach1685: are you running a live cd on this machine atm? lspci -nn will tell you
16:35<Bach1685>don't have lspci, and cat /proc/bus/pci/devices doesn't look very helpful :-)
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16:36<themill>Bach1685: actually it is. the second column is the pciid
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16:37<curtis>anyone have an idea on how to make it work with compiz?
16:37<Bach1685>OK themill... I recognize a bunch of Intel devices (first 16 bits are 8086)
16:37<Bach1685>but there are quite a few devices there; how can I recognize which one is my ethernet card?
16:37<Bach1685>are these 29xx devices?
16:38<themill>Bach1685: 10xx I think
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16:39<Bach1685>themill: Then it's 10c0
16:40<themill>Bach1685: the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel doesn't claim to support 8086:10c0 :(
16:40<curtis>?
16:40<curtis>?
16:40<curtis>?
16:40<Bach1685>(I was able to install the kernel sources from the netinst CD in the mean time)
16:41<Bach1685>but now it says "compiler not found"
16:41<Bach1685>for some reason, I do have "gcc-4.1" but not "gcc"
16:41<Bach1685>a simple "alias" doesn't help
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16:42<themill>Bach1685: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi claims that you need 2.6.25 for that pci-id.
16:42<Bach1685>haha... just my luck :-)
16:42<themill>yeah... happens
16:42<Bach1685>anyway, I made a dirty symlink from /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 to /usr/bin/gcc
16:42<coucou>setting the CC environment variable, or equivalent parameter to configure should to it
16:42<Bach1685>and now my "make install" is working
16:42<coucou>too easy :)
16:42<Bach1685>ah yes, that would have been much better
16:42<Bach1685>will do that instead...
16:42<petemc>why?
16:43<themill>Bach1685: remember to remove that symlink after
16:43<Bach1685>i just did :-)
16:43<Bach1685>it's too ugly for words.
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16:43<coucou>:)
16:43<Bach1685>Anyway, the make worked! It stopped with an error (cannot write to /var/cache/man/.... in catman mode)
16:43<petemc>Bach1685: debian provides an alternatives system to do what you require
16:43<Bach1685>but the modprobe e1000 worked
16:44<themill>petemc: not for gcc
16:44<Bach1685>"alternatives system"?
16:44<themill>!alternatives
16:44<dpkg>alternatives is, like, is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>
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16:44<Bach1685>interesting.
16:44<themill>But the gcc version symlink is not managed through alternatives.
16:44<Bach1685>Still, I find it strange that "make" and "gcc" are not part of the base install
16:44<petemc>i just change the symlink myself, dont see what its dirty
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16:45<themill>Bach1685: many other things are managed through alternatives such as "pager" "x-www-browser" "ssh-ask-pass" "java" etc.
16:45<petemc>themill: why doesnt it do it for gcc?
16:45<Bach1685>it's safe to reboot after a modprobe, or do I need to add the module to some config file first..?
16:45<themill>petemc: because the gcc maintainers don't think it's a good thing for a user to be changing the system default gcc version.
16:45<Bach1685>or let me rephrase, are modprobed modules remembered across reboots?
16:46<themill>does modinfo e1000 list that pciid now?
16:46<themill>Bach1685: was e1000.ko installed into the kernel tree?
16:46<themill>err modules tree
16:46<petemc>themill: so they should explicitly call the correct version?
16:47<Bach1685>I'll look for that, themill
16:47<themill>petemc: something like that.
16:47<petemc>i guess that makes, im sure the gcc peeps know more than me
16:47<Bach1685>and petemc: um, no, by the looks of it
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16:47<themill>petemc: that was my conclusion
16:47<Bach1685>at least, I see a bunch of "alias" lines
16:47<themill>Bach1685: does one of them match that pciid?
16:47<Bach1685>and if I parse out the extra "0000" parts there, I see 8086/10B5 as the latest one
16:48<chealer>Bach1685: no, they aren't
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16:48<themill>odd... 2.6.24 had 10da as the last one
16:49<Bach1685>I got e1000-8.0.1 directly from the Intel website
16:49<themill>Bach1685: eventually you will echo e1000 >> /etc/modules, although the kernel/udev will probably automatically insert the right module if it is listed in the aliases.
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16:54<Bach1685>:-(
16:55<Bach1685>Didn't seem to have worked
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16:55<Bach1685>if I try adding auto eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp to /etc/network/interfaces
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16:55<Bach1685>and try ifup eth0, I get "No such device"
16:55<themill>Bach1685: before you worry about configuring it, make sure the module is loaded
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16:56<grummund>i am regularly getting this error from iceweasel: "Unable to verify the identity of ... as a trusted site." and 3 options to accept the certificate permanently, temporarily, or not at all.
16:57<grummund>is this symptematic of a problem?
16:57<zedboy>grummund: only with the website in question
16:57<grummund>it happens on both 'etch' machines i have, and for various websites
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16:58<JRHartley>grummund: look at the https in the address bar ...
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16:59<magyar_>hi, I installed debian lenny and the system is not able to see my lg dvd-rw device. I can see it being listed in dmesg but not in kde. I tried /dev/cdrom and dev/scd but with no luck
17:00<grummund>JRHartley: sure, it's only https sites
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17:00<grummund>e.g. sometimes ebay
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17:00<Lethalman>magyar_, no result if you insert a CD?
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17:03<magyar_>Lethalman, nope
17:03<chealer>grummund: not necessarily, and depending on what you mean by regularly. what you should take into account is the number of websites. iceweasel does not trust many entities
17:03<Lethalman>magyar_, might be related to an HAL issues but i can't see anything due the lack of further information
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17:05<magyar_>Lethalman, it is a SATA DVD-RW drive from LG is is connected to SATA port 4 on the mobo and I use it in AHCI mode with four sata drives
17:05<Lethalman>magyar_, I'm zero in HW
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17:07<grummund>well perhaps i shouldn't won't worry about it. <paranoia> it just seemed like my router had been cracked </paranoia>
17:07<themill>grummund: what's the reason that the certificate is being rejected though?
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17:08<grummund>themill: well i'm just trying to find a site to reject it and see....
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17:09<grummund>now i want it to fail, there's no problem ;-/
17:09<upsilon>hi, I set xterm to log, but I get this kind of thing in the output: http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1932/screenshot2008091522044an9.png
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17:09<upsilon>anyway to make readable logs?
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17:10<themill>upsilon: look at them through less -r?
17:11<Bach1685>Grr... Tried downloading an even more recent version of the e1000 driver (8.0.6-NAPI)
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17:11<Bach1685>but still to no avail
17:11<Bach1685>modinfo still doesn't go further than devID 10B5
17:11<upsilon>themill: sorry, what do you mean?
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17:11<themill>upsilon: less -r mylogfile.txt
17:11<upsilon>ah
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17:12<themill>Bach1685: have you actually installed the module though? or are you just insmod-ing it from the compilation directory?
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17:12<Bach1685>modprobe'd it
17:13<Bach1685>the Makefile has a "make install" which seems to put it in the right location
17:13<Bach1685>dmesg shows the Intel blurb too
17:13<Bach1685>or am I misunderstanding..? What do you mean by "installed the module"..?
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17:14<themill>Bach1685: make install was what I mean. Did you run "depmod -a"?
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17:14<Bach1685>I didn't yet, but just did
17:14<Bach1685>no output..?
17:14<themill>no output is good. what does modinfo show now?
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17:15<Bach1685>shows the correct version number (8.0.6) but still only goes up to 10B5.
17:16<themill>Bah.
17:16<themill>Bach1685: but having modprobed the module, do you have internet access now?
17:16<Bach1685>no.
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17:16<Bach1685>Well I tried "ifconfig eth0 10.0.1.99" and got "No such device"
17:17<themill>Bach1685: anything in ifconfig -a?
17:17<Bach1685>only lo.
17:18<Bach1685>my /etc/network/interfaces looks like this:
17:18<Bach1685>auto lo eth0
17:18<Bach1685>iface lo inet loopback
17:18<Bach1685>iface eth0 inet dhcp
17:18<Bach1685>that should be sufficient, right?
17:18<Bach1685>no /dev/eth* either
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17:23<themill>Bach1685: /dev/eth* don't exist in linux. If it's not visible in "ifconfig -a" then it doesn't matter what you put in /etc/network/interfaces
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17:23<Bach1685>ok thanks
17:23<Bach1685>I am googling in the mean time,
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17:24<Bach1685>and it seems perhaps I should be looking at the e1000e driver instead of e1000
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17:24<Bach1685>I'll see if I can find sources for that, and then call it a day...
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17:25<themill>Bach1685: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi says e1000e for that pciid.
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17:29<Bach1685>Sigh... searching sourceforge for e1000e gives zero results
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17:30<Bach1685>Can I instead simply move to the latest kernel version in my Debian setup?
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17:30<Bach1685>dpkg -i latest_kernel.deb? :-D
17:30*dpkg installs latest_kernel.deb? :-D into bach1685's head with a bone saw and a few screws
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17:31<coucou>I love the bot's answer :D
17:32<Bach1685>haha, yeah...
17:32<themill>Bach1685: consider grabbing it from backports.org as it will be set up to work with etch
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17:33<Bach1685>themill: grab what, the e1000e driver..?
17:33<Bach1685>(search for that turned up nothing on backports.org)
17:33<themill>Bach1685: no, the kernel, as you suggested
17:33<zedboy>Bach1685: or just grab a regular kernel tgz and use make-kpkg
17:34<themill>if you have everything installed for that
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17:34<Bach1685>hmm.. have I, with a base netinst & no network access? :-)
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17:34<Bach1685>backports thinks "kernel" is too generic a search term :-(
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17:36<themill>linux-image-2.6.26
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17:36<Bach1685>ah ha, interesting
17:37<themill>http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686
17:37<themill>(or -amd64 if you want)
17:38<Bach1685>OK... when I get this, I can transfer it with the USB key to my Debian system and just dpkg -i it?
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17:40<magyar_>i have an issue with lenny and a sata dvd rom drive > here is the related info from dmesg (http://pastebin.ca/1203746) How can i mount the dvd-rom drive?
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17:41<nifan>b'noite
17:42<schoinobates>magyar_: mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /mnt/
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17:42<magyar_>schoinobates, mount: No medium found
17:43<magyar_>i've tried several different cd-s
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17:43<Bach1685>themill: just rebooted into the new kernel. eth0 link is now up!
17:43<themill>woohoo!
17:44<schoinobates>just to rule out the obvious, you've been trying non-blank CDs, right? Ones that do have data on them?
17:44<Bach1685>DHCPDISCOVER is taking ages, so something is probably still wrong, but at least I have _something_
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17:45<Bach1685>hurray, doing a manual ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 gets me an address from my router.
17:45<Bach1685>Phew, now quickly go to bed before I mess it up again.
17:45<Bach1685>Cheers all, you've been tremendous help!
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17:45<themill>no worries. Good luck with it from here...
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17:46<schoinobates>magyar_: if you've been trying CDs that do have data on them, then please look at the end of dmesg, if nothing about the CD drive is there.
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17:52<magyar_>schoinobates, i know for sure that there is data because some of the cds are dell openmanage cds from manufacturer and also they work on othe rsystems in the office
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17:55<schoinobates>And nothing more about the CD drive in dmesg?
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18:06<aphexer>the manpage for suexec from the apache2-suexec-custom package says it's unsecure to put /home as your docroot. Anyone could tell me whythis is?
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18:07*egns pira a dormir, que tengan una buena noche/have a nice nite
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18:15<Kerz>is there a way to change the default image viewer?
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18:17<ccg->after editing /etc/modules how can i get the changes applied to /etc/modules.conf
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18:19<magyar_>scorche|sh, ziltch
18:19<magyar_>schoinobates, ziltch
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18:20<TBBle>I'm trying to install etch-and-a-half on a HP DL320 G5, netbooting, and it hangs right after I choose any of the install modes on the boot screen... I can't seem to find the place in the manual where it used to give boot parameters to try, and I thought it'd give some failure output before dying...
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18:38<TBBle>Hmm. tcpdump suggests it's not even trying to fetch the kernel it's been asked to boot from the TFTP server.
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18:39<TBBle>And the Help option doesn't work.
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18:46<chealer>Kerz: which desktop environment do you use?
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18:47<Kerz>chealer: xfce
18:47<chealer>ccg-: which changes?
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18:53<TBBle>Beh, must be PXE environment breakage or something. I'll boot off a USB key instead
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18:59<tdrusk>Is there something like gnome-do for kde?
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19:00<bernardo>hey geeks
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19:00<themill>tdrusk: what does gnome-do do?
19:01<tdrusk>themill: You press a keystroke and it puts up a dialog box that allows you to start typing a program name and when that program is found you press enter and it launces it. Also works for files and websites.
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19:02<themill>tdrusk: sounds like the new launcher for kde4 (I think)
19:02<tdrusk>themill: Oh okay. Well I'm not going to use kde4 until it gets the bugs worked out. I'll live :P. Thanks.
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19:10<bernardo>what is the top 10 nicer packages for debian?
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19:10<TBBle>Hmm. USB key works fine, I guess there's an issue with either pxelinux or the PXE environment on the box. >_<
19:12<weasel>bernardo: coreutils and bsdutils?
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19:14<JRHartley>bernardo: i'm rather partial to cpp
19:14<themill>!bad polls
19:14<dpkg>The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian
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19:37<aphexer>the manpage for suexec from the apache2-suexec-custom package says it's unsecure to put /home as your docroot. Anyone could tell me whythis is?
19:38<kop>aphexer : Because then any user can put stuff on your site, including possibly programs they wrote?
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19:46<variable>how shoul i chekc do i have jdbc on etch?
19:46<variable>*should
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19:49<aphexer>kop: how would another user put his stuff on my site? First of all he (another user) doesn't have write access to my homedir, he doesn't even have read access...
19:49<aphexer>and suexec just runs his script as his username, so he doesn't have permission to get into my homedir
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19:51<dondelelcaro>aphexer: it runs any executable has his username
19:51<dondelelcaro>aphexer: including files in ~/bin/ that you never intended to be executable
19:51<dondelelcaro>(at least, not executable by any user)
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19:52<dondelelcaro>aphexer: or any other things which you didn't expect to be run setuid by a random user
19:52<dondelelcaro>aphexer: that's why you never use /home as the document root
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19:54<aphexer>dondelelcaro: so suexec allows to run a binary placed in my homedir to be run as another user? It would first change it's uid to the other user, then try to execute the file, but it has no permission to read that file...
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19:54<aphexer>and even if it had, suexec verifies the target user is the same as the owner of the file that it is about to execute
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19:55<themill>aphexer: but if I had ~/bin/pronviewer that was normally 0700 so that others couldn't run it, suexec would then allow the remote web visitor to run this script contrary to the intention of the file permissions I had given it.
19:56<aphexer>ah no other user involved
19:56<dondelelcaro>aphexer: or imagine that you had a ~/bin/rmsomefiles or ~/bin/thermonuclearwar; would you want anyone to run those programs as your user?
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19:57<aphexer>I see
19:57<dondelelcaro>(this gets even more nefarious if you've got mod_php or similar installed so that you can run things as the uid of the webserver)
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19:58<aphexer>Well I was planning to only let users put their web content in their homes, but you're right that they could place a ~/bin/thermonuclearwar there too.
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19:58<aphexer>In case they didn't have any executables that would hurt to execute, then it'd be safe, but then I'd need to teach the users about that, which is probably a bad iea
19:58<aphexer>idea*
19:59<themill>"please don't do this" is the best way to ensure one thing...
19:59<aphexer>hehe ;)
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20:00<dondelelcaro>aphexer: the right solution is to either have a /srv/www/username which is symlinked from ~/public_html or similar, or otherwise modify suexec to only allow executing things in ~/public_html
20:01<aphexer>hm suppose I do it like this: suexec's docroot in /home; Apache's docroot of that virtualhost in /home/user/web; and I put the suexec binary in a directory where only apache has access to.
20:01<aphexer>your solution does seem cleaner though
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20:02<aphexer>I think I'll try if I can fix my setup so it works like you just said
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20:04<aphexer>thanks:)
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20:06<dondelelcaro>if you do that, you still have the problem of things like php executing as apache (or apache itself)
20:06<dondelelcaro>it wouldn't be the first time that apache had some kind of directory traversal attack
20:07<blal>Is there a command similar to bash's builtin "wait" that waits for a process to finish? The "wait" builtin is restricted to processes that are children of the current shell; I'd like to wait for a process that isnt'.
20:07<aphexer>blal: sleep
20:07<aphexer>oh sorry
20:07<aphexer>that's not the same :)
20:07<blal>aphexer : :-D
20:08<aphexer>was too quick :)
20:08<blal>aphexer : The quick and the dead. Better safe than sorry.
20:08<aphexer>:)
20:09<aphexer>dondelelcaro: then you assume there was a bug in apache?
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20:09<dondelelcaro>aphexer: I know there are bugs in apache
20:09<blal>It is, after all, "patchy".
20:09<aphexer>hehe ok, true :)
20:09<dondelelcaro>aphexer: what I don't know is that there *isn't* a bug in directory traversal or something else that would lead to an exploit
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20:10<blal>chroot jail, anyone?
20:10<aphexer>yeah, well paranoia has to end somewhere, won't be able to do much good otherwise :)
20:11<themill>blal: not that I know of, but you can hack one up in a shell script: while kill -0 $PID 2>/dev/null; do sleep 1s; done
20:11<blal>I dunno. I tend to side w/ the paranoids. Hence "better safe than sorry".
20:11<blal>themill : Hmm, I think there's potential there.
20:14<blal>testing 'er out...
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20:15<blal>Looks good to me. Thanks themill (& others!).
20:15<themill>blal: some reading that might help: http://wooledge.org:8000/ProcessManagement
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20:16<blal>"Things you were supposed to know BEFORE you entered #bash" hey, what are ya saying?!! :-P
20:16<themill>blal: this is #d though :)
20:20<themill>blal: but yes, if you'd asked that in #bash, you'd have been hit with a pile of bot-scree and been thankful you were wearing asbestos underpants.
20:20<blal>This is the winner: screen -d -m bash -c 'while kill -0 12345; do sleep 5; done && crunchSomeNumbers.sh (where 12345 is the pid of a CPU-intensive process that crunches some #'s)
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20:21<blal>Kinda like EFNet #linux
20:21<themill>blal: why not just run crunchSomeNumbers.sh after the thing that was producing the data to begin with?
20:22<blal>I'd like to be able to walk away from my computer.
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20:22<themill>blal: but you could have done: makeSomeNumbers && crunchSomeNumbers to begin with.
20:22<blal>I want numberCrunchNumberOne.sh to finish ASAP and, when that's done, start on numberCrunchNumberTwo.sh
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20:23<blal>themill : Absotively. Yes, I agree. I didn't realize at the time I needed numberCrunchNumberTwo.sh, though. :-D
20:23<themill>ahh. if it's foregrounded, then you could ^Z then fg && numberCrunchNumberTwo.sh
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20:24<blal>themill : lol, give me some credit; I know about ands, ors, etc etc.
20:24<blal>themill : It's actually running in a "screen".
20:25<themill>blal: I'm not doubting that. But you could stop the job with ^Z and then add the later commands on to it with: fg && numberCrunchNumberTwo.sh
20:25<themill>a separate polling loop would be unnecessary that way
20:26<blal>ah
20:26<blal>as in reconnect to the first screen.
20:26<themill>yeah
20:26<blal>Ok, that too. :-D
20:26<themill>blal: you know about ^Z, fg, bg I presume?
20:26<blal>why yes.
20:26<themill>:)
20:26<blal>We're old friends
20:26<themill>figured that might be the case
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20:27<themill>blal: just out of interest, what are the numbers being crunched?
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20:32<zeta>how do i get 64bit flash working on amd64?
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20:35<zeta>i keep getting "not available, but referred to by another package"
20:36<chealer>!tell zeta about doesn't work
20:36<chealer>zeta: when doing what?
20:36<zeta>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
20:37<zeta>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable lenny main contrib non-free
20:37<zeta>is in my sources.list
20:38<themill>are you intentionally running sid?
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20:39<rrm>how can i find the memory installed on this system? top?
20:39<zeta>sid?
20:39<zeta>wha'ts sid?
20:39<zeta>oh
20:39<zeta>unstable?
20:39<rrm>yeah
20:39<rrm>of deb
20:39<themill>!iyhtays
20:39<dpkg>If you have to ask, you shouldn't.
20:40<chealer>zeta: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable lenny main contrib non-free" is broken, it doesn't do what you want. only one suite per line
20:40<rotciv>rrm: free -m
20:41<rrm>rotciv: what?
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20:41<zeta>so what line do i add so i can grab flashplugin-nonfree?
20:41<rotciv><rrm> how can i find the memory installed on this system? top?
20:41<themill>zeta: what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
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20:41<zeta>http://pastebin.com/m5bdb5641 <-- my sources.list
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20:42<zeta>dpkg: error processing libc6 (--install):
20:42<dpkg>zeta: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
20:42<themill>zeta: that's a lowercase L not an i
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20:43<zeta>ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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20:44<zeta>so wtf do i do now
20:44<themill>zeta: the easiest approach is probably to download the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/flashplugin-nonfree/download and install it with dpkg -i.
20:45<chealer>!tell zeta about tum
20:45<zeta>alright
20:45<chealer>zeta: did you see the message sent to you by dpkg?
20:45<zeta>yeah
20:45<themill>or that.
20:45<zeta>i have no idea what it means by adding "sid"
20:46<themill>zeta: why are you using testing to begin with?
20:46<chealer>zeta: "it"?
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20:47<chealer>zeta: BTW, you presumably don't need stable in your sources.list if you run testing.
20:47<zeta>er i don't konw?
20:47<zeta>i just DL lenny since etch had xorg.conf problems
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20:49<zeta>themill: DLing the deb package goes through dependency hell
20:50<zeta>is there a dpkg command that recursively gets all the dependencies?
20:50<themill>no. You'd be best to set a lenny/sid mix in that case. Ugh.
20:51<zeta>hmmm kk
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20:54<chowderandeggs>how would i use debian to provide a secure connection from one windows machine to another?
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20:55<daniiel>does udev in lenny require tmpfs to be compiled with the kernel?
20:55<daniiel>chowder: ssh into your deb box, then ssh into the other box?
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20:58<tdrusk>Does anyone else get a crash when using KDEnLive and trying the speed effect?
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21:01<simonrvn>chowderandeggs: get rid of the windows machines and use debian instead?
21:02<ooter>brilliant!
21:02<chowderandeggs>no chance user request
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21:17<rotciv>to run a python script in the terminal is just do ./file.py?
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21:22<Kerz>rotciv: python2.x file
21:23<Kerz>or if it has chmod 755 set just ./file
21:23<Kerz>i think... havent used python in a while
21:23<rotciv>Kerz: aight :) thanks
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21:29<rotciv>Kerz: how can i add my user to the users who has the permissions so i can open the file only doing ./file.py?
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21:35<Kerz>oops sry went away a sec
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21:37<Kerz>rotciv: iv no idea what you mean... :P (but i think it is that you want every file with .py to open as an object file right?)
21:37<Kerz>if so i dunno if you do know lemme know you know?
21:37*Kerz kills self for being so lame
21:38<rotciv>Kerz: alright :P
21:38<rotciv>i'll google for it, haven't yet
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21:39<rotciv>Kerz: how do u do this stuff? "*Kers kill self for being so lame" (i'm new to the irc too)
21:39<Kerz>lol
21:40<Kerz>rotciv: /me
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21:40<Kerz>rotciv: /me msg
21:40*rotciv hi
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21:40<rotciv>Kerz: cool :P
21:40<Kerz>/help (for a list of commands)
21:41<daniiel>how can i find out my computers southbridge type?
21:41<mvismer>hi
21:41<rotciv>Kerz: thank you again :D
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21:41<Kerz>eh daniiel thats hardware right? lshw doesnt display it?
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21:51<kp>what would be the best way to 'kill' a tcp socket connection. I.E kill an IP that's connected to a service.
21:52<qq->ifdown ethX ?
21:52<kp>a remote ip, connecting to a service on my server
21:53<kp>qq-, ty
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21:58<qq->or to stop a service > /etc/init.d/service_name stop
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22:05<kp>qq-, Im reading mroe about it now, but would this allow me to basically kill/send a dissconnect to the ip thats connected to my service. I run a shoutcast service, and just thinking about security
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22:08<qq->i dunno , sorry , but i saw somethings like "change user agent" to connect to a shoutcast service , so must be a direction to explore
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22:13<enouf>kp: maybe not relevant, but "ifconfig ethX down" also should work - (i guess there's also an "ip" command to do the same, since the iproute/iproute2 pkg supposedly replace all that)
22:14<kp>qq-, thanks will look into.
22:14<qq->kp: or to do a blacklist with ip/mask to be baned from your shoutcast
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22:15<enouf>kp: as root, or sudo netstat -tunap ; and as root or sudo lsof | egrep 'ESTAB|LISTEN' .. install the "harden-doc" pkg
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22:16<kp>enouf, yeah, ive got watch -d -n 1 netstat -pntula now, thats how im seeing things. awesome, thanks, will have to grab the pkg
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22:18<enouf>kp: for blacklisting certain sites (for ssh pounding and brute force attempts) install denyhosts (http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html), or fail2ban, ("apt-cache show pkgname" for either) for other things you can use examples outlined here for iptables ; http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187
22:18<kp>enouf, ty ty
22:18<enouf>;-)
22:18<kp>mucho apprecated
22:19<kp>my iptables knowledge lacks, so this is perfect
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22:37<daniiel>my laptop has supports apm, should i use apm or would it be better (or possible, even) to use acpi?
22:39<beia_>!nvidia_lenny_2
22:39<dpkg>somebody said nvidia_lenny_2 was 5) update-pciids 6) apt-get install module-assistant 7) dpkg -i *nvidia-kernel-source*.deb 8) m-a prepare 9) m-a a-i nvidia 10) dpkg -i *nvidia-glx*.deb 11) depmod -a 12) modprobe nvidia 13) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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22:48<gord>so iceweasel wont start on my new lenny install, any tips?
22:49<snogglethorpe`>"won't start"?
22:49<gord>if there was more information I would provide it. It will not launch
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22:50<snogglethorpe`>gord: waht happens if you type "iceweasel" to a shell prompt?
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22:50<snogglethorpe`>(clicking on icons isn't usually very useful for debugging)
22:50<gord>returns to command line
22:50<snogglethorpe`>what's the exit status?
22:51<gord>I've been trying to launch from terminal the whole time
22:53<gord>[1]+ Exit 1 iceweasel
22:55<gord>gives no errors when I run the command, just returns back to prompt
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23:01<Kerz>gord: hmm did you check to see if its running?
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23:01<gord>ps aux has nothing for iceweasel after the command is entered
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23:02<gord>Kerz, I just tried launching it as root... got "Error: cannot open display: :0.0"
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23:03<knoppix_>hello
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23:04<knoppix_>I have just obtained knoppix and am still playing with it.
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23:04<knoppix_>but it seems that I've found only one way to boot it.
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23:04<gord>using a cd?
23:04<knoppix_>it won't boot normally (apparently my screen doesn't like the X Window)
23:04<knoppix_>no, DVD
23:05<gord>ah
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23:05<knoppix_>I boot it with the whole knoppix xmodule=ati/fbdev/i810/mga
23:05<qq->!knoppix
23:05<knoppix_>*command
23:06<gord>is there a way to launch a program with detailed debugging information?
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23:06<knoppix_>such as?
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23:06<knoppix_>...?
23:06<gord>information on why the program I'm trying to run wont.
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23:07<Guest9>I wouldn't know.
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23:07<Guest9>but can anyone tell me why my screen doesn't like the X Window?
23:08<Guest9>Besides, I'm currently in the KDE.
23:08<Guest9>how does that work?
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23:08<Guest9>I thought KDE was run on top of X
23:08<Guest9>?
23:09<Guest9>I have to boot with a line of code labeled "X-Free"
23:09<Guest9>Is anyone going to answer?
23:09<Guest9>?
23:09<Guest9>?
23:09<noflash>Guest9, try #knoppix
23:09<Guest9>thank you.
23:09<Guest9>how will that help?
23:09<noflash>aredn't you running knoppix
23:09<Guest9>what does # do?
23:10<gord>what command will list available displays?
23:10<Guest9>I am, but had to use the boot command: knoppix xmodule=ati/fbdev/i810/mga
23:10<noflash>Guest9, you'd be off topic in here
23:11<Guest9>can you suggest a place to go?
23:11<qq->[2008:16:Sep@05:09:27] <noflash> Guest9, try #knoppix
23:11<noflash>23:09 < noflash> Guest9, try #knoppix
23:11<noflash>heh
23:11<Guest9>I'll try, but where should I go noflash?
23:12<SledgY>Guest9: Because this is #debian not #knoppix
23:12<Guest9>oh.
23:12<Guest9>very sorry.
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23:12<Guest9>thank you though.
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23:16<gord>forget iceweasel... I'll just purge it and compile FF3
23:17<qq->hehe
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23:34<GDizzle>herro
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23:35<GDizzle>does anyone know of a mirror where i can get debian from? the debian website only lets me donwload it @ 65 kbps
23:35<GDizzle>and its slllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
23:35<Kerz>....
23:35<Kerz>65 kbps slow?
23:35<Kerz>you are insane
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23:36<GDizzle>do you have an african connection?
23:36<GDizzle>or dial up or something
23:36<Kerz>no patience eh?
23:36<qq->!mirror
23:36<dpkg>i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
23:36<GDizzle>not when im leeching my schools downlo9ads
23:36<GDizzle>and its gonna take 21 hours
23:36<GDizzle>im only here for 8 hours a day
23:37<gord>>_< I dont understand why iceweasel would be in the repositories if it doesnt work
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23:37<GDizzle>!mirror 's are just for the updates only though?
23:37<dpkg>okay, GDizzle
23:38<Kerz>GDizzle: why dont you just pause the download and continnue the other day?
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23:38<gord>lightweight music player recommendations?
23:39<GDizzle>vlc
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23:40<JRHartley>audacious or bmp or xmms
23:40<gord>for video, definitely
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23:40<gord>I'm installing audacious right now... after trying software that downloads a bunch of dependencies, how can I completely remove the software (dependencies included)?
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23:42<JRHartley>a have a couple of useful scripts for that. one takes a snapshot of the currently installed package list, and the other restores it
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23:43<JRHartley>LC_ALL=C dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' > LIST
23:43<gord>netsurf, dillo, epiphany <-- browsers that work
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23:46<gord>bah, i'm giving up on this for tonight... I'll reinstall debian 32 bit tomorrow
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