| --- | Log | opened Thu Sep 18 00:00:02 2008 |
| --- | Day | changed Thu Sep 18 2008 |
| 00:00 | <Student> | daniiel: ok dear let me check |
| 00:00 | <cry0> | daniiel; i get another line with = i2c_core 27776 15 nvidia |
| 00:01 | <enouf> | cry0 that's normal for the blob |
| 00:01 | <fabio> | Canal Brasil? |
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| 00:01 | <fabio> | Channel Brasil? |
| 00:01 | <cTATUK> | Hmm.. Why is XMMS dropped in Lenny? |
| 00:02 | <RIVE> | <fabio> Canal Brasil?<-- debian-br |
| 00:02 | <enouf> | fabio: Este canal é apenas em inglÃs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:02 | <daniiel> | cry0: are you on etch or lenny? |
| 00:02 | <cry0> | daniiel; etch |
| 00:02 | <fabio> | Thacks! |
| 00:02 | <enouf> | fabio: try also freenode.net #debian-br |
| 00:02 | <cry0> | daniiel; installed compiz through backdrops |
| 00:02 | <amphi> | enouf: what's that funky charset? |
| 00:02 | <daniiel> | have you got compiz-gnome installeD? |
| 00:02 | <RIVE> | cTATUK, ald gtk, the option is to use audacious. |
| 00:03 | <enouf> | amphi: i dunno, i pasted from the factoid :-P |
| 00:03 | <amphi> | !br |
| 00:03 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:03 | <enouf> | O_o |
| 00:03 | <cry0> | daniiel; yes aptitude reports compiz-gnome as being installed. |
| 00:03 | <amphi> | enouf: "Este canal é apenas em inglês" & "Este canal é apenas em inglÃs" look the same there? |
| 00:04 | <enouf> | amphi: worse :-P |
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| 00:04 | <enouf> | amphi: oh no ,, different though |
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| 00:04 | <enouf> | é vs é |
| 00:04 | <amphi> | enouf: the first is my paste from the factoid |
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| 00:05 | <enouf> | amphi: the 2nd is? |
| 00:05 | <cTATUK> | RIVE: XMMS uses GTK ;x |
| 00:05 | <cry0> | daniiel; do you know the terminal command to start compiz? |
| 00:06 | <nsadmin> | is there an n64 emulator in etch? |
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| 00:06 | <daniiel> | !compiz |
| 00:06 | <dpkg> | hmm... compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:07 | <nsadmin> | what vid cards are supported by Xgl? |
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| 00:08 | <RIVE> | cTATUK, yes it uses Gtk, but a old versión, is easier to frop XMMS for newer packages. |
| 00:08 | <upsilon> | nsadmin: I don't believe there is an n64 emulator in any debian |
| 00:08 | <RIVE> | Audacios gave me the same simple interface that XMMS did. |
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| 00:09 | <daniiel> | i still like moc |
| 00:10 | <snogglethorpe> | hmm i use audacious, which seems like a pretty good replacement for xmms |
| 00:10 | <snogglethorpe> | xmms was seriously unusable in non-ascii locales |
| 00:10 | <snogglethorpe> | (as well as being kinda ugly) |
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| 00:11 | <Student-> | kindly suggest me about my Routing PRogblem , Any1 Thanx |
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| 00:17 | <nsadmin> | Student-: kindly collect the original question together with any diagrams, tables, images and commentary into some kind of document (html is one idea) so that you can send that file to anyone willing to help |
| 00:18 | <Student-> | umm well i don't have any space on internet |
| 00:18 | <Student-> | i mean i does't own any |
| 00:18 | <Student-> | but i think my problem is very basic level |
| 00:19 | <Student-> | nsadmin: can you suggest ? |
| 00:19 | <daniiel> | that article on debianadmin didn't help? |
| 00:20 | <Student-> | daniiel: yes, the article is about OPen VPN standard, but i am connecting via simple VPN connection , there are major differences b/w both of them |
| 00:21 | <daniiel> | oh, shows you how much i know about vpn =) |
| 00:21 | <Student-> | exactly ;) |
| 00:21 | <Student-> | but never mind, you do care and that is all what counts |
| 00:21 | <Student-> | :) |
| 00:22 | <Student-> | nsadmin: are you still here? :) |
| 00:27 | <daniiel> | do you have a vpn router? |
| 00:28 | <daniiel> | in which it would act as the internet gateway? |
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| 00:28 | <Student-> | i have vpn route set in my "route" |
| 00:28 | <Student-> | this is software base |
| 00:29 | <Student-> | but i don't know how to tell the browser to access the remote server |
| 00:29 | <daniiel> | how do you physically connect to the internet though? |
| 00:29 | <nsadmin> | Student- do you have any available disk space? |
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| 00:30 | <Student-> | via LAN CArd + Cable |
| 00:30 | <Student-> | nsadmin: i have lot of disk space available :) |
| 00:30 | <fabiobmoraesBR> | Brasil? |
| 00:30 | <daniiel> | !br |
| 00:30 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:30 | <fabiobmoraesBR> | Tenho que registrar como eu faço isso? |
| 00:30 | <nsadmin> | then you have some choices... |
| 00:31 | <nsadmin> | you could put everything in a text file |
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| 00:31 | <Student-> | ok , before going through the choices do you actually understand the core of my problem? nsadmin? |
| 00:31 | <nsadmin> | (just remember to update the file when you learn additional sutff about that |
| 00:31 | <daniiel> | what does the cable connect to a modem or router or ? |
| 00:32 | <Student-> | daniiel: LAN Card and it is a lan card cable |
| 00:32 | <Student-> | nsadmin: ok |
| 00:32 | <nsadmin> | no, all I saw is you saying "kindly suggest me about my Routing PRogblem , Any1 Thanx" every few mins |
| 00:32 | <Student-> | nsadmin: so unpack the package |
| 00:33 | <nsadmin> | what package? |
| 00:33 | <daniiel> | you need to route your vpn to your internet gateway |
| 00:34 | <Student-> | nsadmin: the problem is i connect Internet via establish a VPN connection to my Service provider, the problem is default route is set to the name server of the isp , and after establishing the tunnel a new remote and local ip has been given |
| 00:35 | <Student-> | nsadmin: i need to route my traffic via default gateway but there is a catch if i delete the existing default route, my connection to the tunnel will get lost |
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| 00:35 | <Student-> | secondly i don't have any idea to tell the browser to go to some specific ip |
| 00:35 | <Student-> | this the basic problem |
| 00:35 | <Student-> | this is the basic problem |
| 00:36 | <Student-> | nsadmin: what do you suggest? |
| 00:36 | <nsadmin> | I've never done vpn routing before |
| 00:36 | <Student-> | cool :) |
| 00:36 | <cTATUK> | # rm -rf / |
| 00:36 | <daniiel> | ouch! =P |
| 00:36 | <Student-> | that was really funny end to your journey nsadmin :) |
| 00:36 | <Student-> | very fine |
| 00:36 | <Student-> | :) |
| 00:37 | <daniiel> | i think you have to use rm -rf /* in lenny =P |
| 00:37 | <cTATUK> | haha |
| 00:37 | <cTATUK> | su -c "rf -rf /*" |
| 00:37 | <daniiel> | yeah, i've done it |
| 00:37 | <cTATUK> | rf lol |
| 00:37 | <nsadmin> | Student-, you could apply what I suggest still. |
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| 00:51 | <amphi> | enouf: the second was how your paste looked here |
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| 01:07 | <Kdas> | who wants to help me with a iwl4965 ??? |
| 01:08 | <Kdas> | .... this channel isn't has helpful as it used to be |
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| 01:13 | <Kdas> | any ideas why i can't see any APs with my iwl4965? |
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| 01:14 | <Kdas> | anyone laive? |
| 01:15 | <chealer> | Kdas: where do you fail to see APs? |
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| 01:18 | <Kdas> | chealer, thanks for helping, umm nowere i mean i try to connect via iwconfig and no good and then i try to use knetworkmanager and nothing as well |
| 01:18 | <chealer> | Kdas: then what's the actual problem? |
| 01:19 | <Kdas> | chealer, i dowloaded the newst ucode from iwl website stuck it in /lib/firmware but when it was booting it did not recognize because it was ucode-something-2 so i renamed to ucode-something-1 and then that cleared that problem |
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| 01:19 | <chealer> | Kdas: which Debian suite do you use? |
| 01:19 | <Kdas> | chealer, the problem i sthat i got 5 APs arround me and when i try to connect to one via iwconfig (manually) or see if i see any with knetworkmanager i don't see them |
| 01:19 | <Kdas> | chealer, leeny |
| 01:20 | <Kdas> | lenny* |
| 01:22 | <chealer> | Kdas: I'm not familiar with knetworkmanager. do you see them with iwlist? |
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| 01:24 | <Student-> | chealer: do you have knowledge regarding Routing and Vpn? |
| 01:24 | <daniiel> | !iwl4965 |
| 01:24 | <dpkg> | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 01:24 | <chealer> | Student-: in theory |
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| 01:25 | <Student-> | chealer: :) |
| 01:25 | <Student-> | ok give it a try |
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| 01:25 | <nubbun> | !pastebin |
| 01:25 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:25 | <Student-> | i have a problem routing my internet traffic after establishing a Vpn Tunn, via LAN Card and Lan card Cable |
| 01:25 | <Student-> | chealer: what do you suggest? |
| 01:26 | <Kdas> | chealer, i am not familiar with iwlist but i will try... to my experience knetworkmanager is similar if not the same as gnomes networkmanager |
| 01:26 | <daniiel> | kdas, look at dpkg's advise |
| 01:26 | <chealer> | Student-: sorry, ask the channel |
| 01:27 | <Student-> | chealer: it is ok |
| 01:27 | <chealer> | Kdas: I use KDE but find network-manager too buggy. |
| 01:27 | <Kdas> | daniiel, what the pastebin one ? |
| 01:27 | <daniiel> | no the iwlwifi one |
| 01:27 | <Student-> | chealer: what application is suitable for a Server instead of network-manager? |
| 01:28 | <Kdas> | daniiel, yea i read but how am i suposed to do that if i cna't connect to internet ? |
| 01:28 | <SledgY> | Student-: for doing what? |
| 01:28 | <Student-> | SledgY: for the same purpose network-manager applet is used for |
| 01:28 | <daniiel> | you don't have an ethernet cable to use? even temp? |
| 01:29 | <SledgY> | Student-: network-manager is a daemon, the applet talks to it via dbus |
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| 01:29 | <SledgY> | you could still use it on a server |
| 01:29 | <SledgY> | but I wouldn't recommend it |
| 01:29 | <daniiel> | =) |
| 01:29 | <SledgY> | for my servers I don't use any "management" tool |
| 01:29 | <Student-> | SledgY: yes, that is what i am talking about , what else should be used :) |
| 01:29 | <SledgY> | just configure your interfaces manually via /etc/net/interfaces |
| 01:30 | <SledgY> | I give all my servers static IP's |
| 01:30 | <Student-> | ic |
| 01:30 | <daniiel> | me too, static |
| 01:30 | <Student-> | SledgY: can you help regarding routing and Vpn ? |
| 01:31 | <SledgY> | What do you need to know |
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| 01:31 | <SledgY> | does the VPN just show up as another interface? |
| 01:32 | <Student-> | SledgY: i connect to internet via LAN card + Lan Cable, i need to establish a vpn connection/tunnel with my isp server, the problem is after the vpn connection, i am failed to route my internet traffic via browser etc |
| 01:32 | <nubbun> | apt & friends can not verify .debs. The system runs Lenny fresh install from DVD. I have debian-archive-keyring installed. A warning looks like this: |
| 01:32 | <nubbun> | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 01:32 | <nubbun> | What could be the problem? |
| 01:32 | <Student-> | SledgY: what do you suggest? |
| 01:32 | <daniiel> | kdas did you say you have the firmware already installed? |
| 01:32 | <nubbun> | Student-: check your routes? (ip route) |
| 01:33 | <SledgY> | nubbun: you need the signing keys |
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| 01:33 | <Student-> | nubbun: what to check in the routes? ip routes? |
| 01:33 | <Kdas> | daniiel, scrool above or do you want me to repeat ? |
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| 01:34 | <nubbun> | SledgY: is that not the debian-archive-keyring? |
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| 01:34 | <nubbun> | Student-: run the command |
| 01:34 | <nubbun> | ip routes |
| 01:34 | <nubbun> | and check that you have a default route. |
| 01:35 | <Student-> | well i have a default route , and this defualt route is set to the NameServer |
| 01:35 | <daniiel> | could you see any aps with iwlist? |
| 01:35 | <jm_> | nubbun: are you sure it's for packages from Debian? did you verify what apt-key says? |
| 01:35 | <Kdas> | daniiel, i didn't try because i was informed about that program just recently |
| 01:35 | <Kdas> | daniiel, i just tryed iwconfig and knetworkmanager |
| 01:36 | <nubbun> | Student-: on the machine that has difficulty going over the vpn. You can also try traceroute. |
| 01:36 | <SledgY> | Student-: can you past (not in channel) the output from "route -n" |
| 01:36 | <Student-> | SledgY ok |
| 01:36 | <daniiel> | give it a try=) |
| 01:37 | <Kdas> | daniiel, ok i will |
| 01:37 | <nubbun> | jm_: my apt-key list: http://paste.debian.net/17490/ |
| 01:37 | <daniiel> | is your other machine with you or are you dual-boot? |
| 01:37 | <Kdas> | daniiel, i have to reboot and try so hit you up when i finish |
| 01:37 | <Kdas> | daniiel, iwlist only lists the APs .. iam guessing ? |
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| 01:38 | <Kdas> | Kdas, then i have to associate via iwconfig ? |
| 01:38 | <daniiel> | yes, it will. |
| 01:38 | <jm_> | nubbun: try running apt-get update two times |
| 01:38 | <daniiel> | yes, iwconfig |
| 01:39 | <daniiel> | or edit it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:39 | <daniiel> | and make sure the module is loaded o' course |
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| 01:40 | <nubbun> | jm_: that worked. I had done updates before, yet the problem persisted. What do you think the problem was? |
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| 01:42 | <jm_> | nubbun: I don't know the details, but this is a known workaround for a long time now, maybe it's worth checking BTS |
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| 01:45 | <Student-> | SledgY: kinldy suggest |
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| 02:04 | <AbsintheSyringe> | I think I'm out of my luck for looking for debian advocate :/ |
| 02:04 | <daniiel> | wha..? |
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| 02:15 | <Standalf> | hi, I have terrible slow moving of all windows after ATI driver from ati.com installation... How can I remove it? |
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| 02:18 | <nubbun> | Standalf: the settings are in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:18 | <nubbun> | man xorg.conf |
| 02:18 | <nubbun> | can help. |
| 02:18 | <Standalf> | but I don't know what change thre |
| 02:19 | <jm_> | how to remove it? read their docs, it's ATI driver |
| 02:19 | <nubbun> | How do I search through package descriptions? |
| 02:19 | <Student-> | how to get rid of network manager applet? |
| 02:19 | <daniiel> | in aptitude it might/should be under obsolete and local files ? |
| 02:20 | <Standalf> | where's aptitude? |
| 02:20 | <jm_> | nubbun: apt-cache searches by default, with aptitude use its advanced searches (~d) |
| 02:20 | <daniiel> | in a command line, as root, type aptitude |
| 02:21 | <nubbun> | jm_: thanks. |
| 02:21 | <nubbun> | Can one sort packages by installed size? |
| 02:21 | <jm_> | nubbun: yes |
| 02:23 | <chealer> | Student-: one could uninstall it |
| 02:23 | <Student-> | chealer: well :) |
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| 02:23 | <Standalf> | it's not there |
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| 02:26 | <Student-> | after removing gnome networkmanager , how will i set the incoming DHCP requests? |
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| 02:29 | <chealer> | Student-: what incoming DHCP requests? |
| 02:30 | <Student-> | ummm |
| 02:30 | <Student-> | perhaps to set the ip address of eth0 |
| 02:32 | <Student-> | umm |
| 02:32 | <Student-> | let me check |
| 02:32 | <Student-> | brb |
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| 02:37 | <SledgY> | hmmm just enough knowledge to know the terms.... |
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| 02:56 | <trude> | any girls here?? |
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| 03:02 | <trude> | Hey.. How can u change nickname?? |
| 03:03 | <daniiel> | type /nick new_nickname |
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| 03:05 | <trude> | Okay.. Ty:P Anyone know of any "fun/sexy" channels?? please help me:D |
| 03:06 | <daniiel> | not on irc.debian.org i don't think |
| 03:07 | <daniiel> | try another irc server perhaps? |
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| 03:07 | <trude> | Yeah.. But u know any?? |
| 03:08 | <morgan`> | hi |
| 03:08 | <henkmetselaar> | how about any other network? ;P |
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| 03:42 | <buffoon_work> | hi! i want to install debian on a stick so that i can boot on differend hardware the same system... what should i put to a driver in the Device Section of the xserver? or better: how to discover the driver needed? |
| 03:43 | <daniiel> | you want to make a usb boot stick? |
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| 03:43 | <buffoon_work> | yep |
| 03:43 | <daniiel> | http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 03:43 | <jm_> | buffoon_work: use debian-live instead |
| 03:44 | <daniiel> | !google |
| 03:44 | <dpkg> | hmm... google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
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| 03:46 | <buffoon_work> | jm_, i don't want to have a system that resets the configuration everytime started |
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| 04:59 | <seriouslycgi> | how can i write a dvd on a remote machine over ssh? ( i dont know what to search for i usually just use k3b, but i have to move the machine to another room that has the monitor) |
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| 05:00 | <jm_> | growisofs |
| 05:00 | <seriouslycgi> | thanks |
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| 05:00 | <damiano> | hello everybody |
| 05:01 | <Lethalman> | !tell damiano about nvidia |
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| 05:02 | <enouf> | seriouslycgi: try using growisofs and pipe the data, though you might get serious buffer underruns |
| 05:02 | <seriouslycgi> | the files will be on the remote machine too |
| 05:02 | <enouf> | oh, then growisofs or even dd will do |
| 05:02 | <enouf> | install dvd+rw-tools |
| 05:02 | <seriouslycgi> | its just that i have to move the machine to use the monitor in this room (im being lazy lol) |
| 05:03 | <enouf> | so, you just need a CLI tool |
| 05:03 | <seriouslycgi> | k3b is installed it should be there right? |
| 05:03 | <enouf> | how would i know what |
| 05:03 | <enouf> | how would i know what's installed, lmao |
| 05:03 | <seriouslycgi> | yeah lol |
| 05:05 | <jm_> | you could try ssh -X and k3b if you dare |
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| 05:12 | <damiano> | i have nvidia 7100 GS video/card, i have to install the drivers with apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers or those http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.12.html drivers? |
| 05:12 | <enouf> | damiano: follow the debian wiki info that Lethalman had dpkg tell you about |
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| 05:13 | <damiano> | sure dpkg tells --> [dpkg] hmm... nvidia_lenny_1 is 1) add "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, replacing de with your country code 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 05:13 | <enouf> | amphi: how do you know you were seeing how i saw it? lmao |
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| 05:15 | <damiano> | i have xorg i don't understand if i have to install the official drivers |
| 05:15 | <enouf> | damiano: well, doesn't the wiki also have information pertaining to lenny installs? .. or just run that nvidia_lenny_1 then - i'm not certain |
| 05:15 | <enouf> | damiano: no you don't |
| 05:15 | <enouf> | well, to get any 3D you do |
| 05:16 | <damiano> | yes i wat 3D |
| 05:16 | <enouf> | for nvidia that is |
| 05:16 | <damiano> | *want |
| 05:16 | <enouf> | ok |
| 05:16 | <damiano> | so only official driver? |
| 05:16 | <enouf> | so then, if using lenny, follow that factoid you posted |
| 05:16 | <enouf> | yes, but do it the debian way |
| 05:16 | <damiano> | no i'm using ustable |
| 05:17 | <Lethalman> | damiano, if you don't use the debian way ask to #nvidia |
| 05:17 | <enouf> | see the wiki then |
| 05:17 | <enouf> | damiano: i use unstable, and installed the 96xx legacy drivers from the wiki info |
| 05:18 | <enouf> | damiano: your card might use a newer driver (non-legacy) |
| 05:18 | <enouf> | the list is at the wiki |
| 05:18 | <damiano> | this http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? |
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| 05:19 | <enouf> | you still likely need or already have # 1) from the above nvidia_lenny_1 factoid |
| 05:19 | <enouf> | damiano: yes |
| 05:20 | <damiano> | i have to follow this steps nvidia_lenny_1 is 1) add "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, replacing de with your country code 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 05:20 | <damiano> | >damiano< nvidia_lenny_2 |
| 05:20 | <damiano> | [dpkg] hmm... nvidia_lenny_2 is 5) update-pciids 6) apt-get install module-assistant 7) dpkg -i *nvidia-kernel-source*.deb 8) m-a prepare 9) m-a a-i nvidia 10) dpkg -i *nvidia-glx*.deb 11) depmod -a 12) modprobe nvidia 13) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:20 | <damiano> | ops sorry |
| 05:20 | <damiano> | i mean...install those package with apt-get and then install nvidia-xlg |
| 05:20 | <damiano> | package for 3d ? |
| 05:20 | <enouf> | damiano: lspci | grep VGA |
| 05:21 | <damiano> | one moment |
| 05:21 | <damiano> | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7100 GS (rev a1) |
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| 05:24 | <damiano> | is good? |
| 05:24 | <enouf> | seems incomplete to me, but ok |
| 05:24 | <damiano> | now i'm upgrading from etch to sid |
| 05:25 | <damiano> | now is not complete |
| 05:25 | <enouf> | what? |
| 05:25 | <damiano> | but...when the upgrade ends...i have to try official drivers or not? |
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| 05:26 | <damiano> | today i have installed etch |
| 05:26 | <damiano> | but i have set unstable repository to upgrade |
| 05:26 | <enouf> | anyway, your card seems supported via the 173.xx.xx drivers |
| 05:26 | <enouf> | no |
| 05:26 | <damiano> | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.12.html |
| 05:26 | <enouf> | the debian way will grab debian made pkgs and and build and install them |
| 05:27 | <enouf> | no |
| 05:27 | <enouf> | i mean, you can if you like, but get help from #nvidia then |
| 05:27 | <Lethalman> | damiano, you will get problems with official drivers often everytime you update xorg or something else related to the 3d |
| 05:27 | <damiano> | ok |
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| 05:28 | <enouf> | damiano: wait until your upgrade is successful, then make sure you reboot into newere 2.6.26 kernel |
| 05:28 | <damiano> | but after build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers and apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers have i to install other package? |
| 05:28 | <damiano> | ok |
| 05:29 | <Lethalman> | damiano, follow nvidia_lenny_2 |
| 05:29 | <enouf> | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:29 | <dpkg> | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 05:29 | <Lethalman> | omg :O |
| 05:29 | <enouf> | damiano: which arch are you on? |
| 05:29 | <Lethalman> | that sed is so tricky |
| 05:29 | <enouf> | Lethalman: he won't be on lenny anymore |
| 05:29 | <damiano> | i have pentium 4 2.66 GHz 32 bit |
| 05:30 | <enouf> | damiano: which arch are you on? <-- answer me please correctly ;-) |
| 05:30 | <Lethalman> | enouf, isn't the wiki up-to-date for unstable? |
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| 05:30 | <enouf> | Lethalman: i suppose, but i see no one-liner there |
| 05:30 | <damiano> | arch means? ( sorry :) ) |
| 05:30 | <enouf> | damiano: i386 or amd64 ? |
| 05:31 | <damiano> | ah |
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| 05:31 | <damiano> | the first |
| 05:31 | <Lethalman> | lol |
| 05:31 | <damiano> | ehhe |
| 05:31 | <damiano> | sorry |
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| 05:31 | <damiano> | :P |
| 05:31 | <damiano> | lethalman is possible enouf hate me? |
| 05:31 | <damiano> | :) |
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| 05:32 | <enouf> | stupid irc client, lmao |
| 05:32 | <damiano> | :) |
| 05:32 | <damiano> | my arch is i386 :) |
| 05:32 | <enouf> | so |
| 05:33 | <enouf> | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <-- should do you fine - IF - you are on sid/unstable, running the .26 kernel |
| 05:33 | <enouf> | oh crap - maybe not ... |
| 05:33 | <enouf> | where's all the m-a stuff? |
| 05:34 | <Lethalman> | eheh |
| 05:34 | <enouf> | oh well, you were close - you'll get it ;-) |
| 05:34 | <damiano> | ok |
| 05:34 | <damiano> | but with those package i have 3D right? |
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| 05:34 | <enouf> | yes daemon |
| 05:34 | <enouf> | yes damiano |
| 05:34 | <damiano> | :) |
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| 05:35 | <damiano> | and when i upgrade xorg i have to reinstall those package? |
| 05:36 | <enouf> | Pretty sure, on the wiki - the 4 steps starting with --> |
| 05:36 | <enouf> | # apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common |
| 05:37 | <enouf> | shold take care of you - ignore the legacy driver info |
| 05:37 | <enouf> | damiano: no, but any newer kernel you will |
| 05:37 | <enouf> | or older for that matter |
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| 05:38 | <damiano> | ah ok |
| 05:38 | <damiano> | so when i change kernel i have to install |
| 05:38 | <damiano> | another time |
| 05:38 | <damiano> | ok |
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| 05:38 | <enouf> | Lethalman: run uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g' in your shell - it just chops off everyhting but 686 or amd64 |
| 05:39 | <Lethalman> | enouf, yes indeed |
| 05:40 | <enouf> | Lethalman: and naturally tacks that onto the end of apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6- so for me it becomes apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 05:40 | <Lethalman> | yes indeed too |
| 05:41 | <Lethalman> | enouf, but if it's nvidia-kernel-2.6, why should he reinstall the driver everytime? i guess it's automatically upgraded |
| 05:41 | <enouf> | which really is only to extract the ARCH info, since it;'s a meta package anyway, so kernel version will rely upon which one your running ;-) |
| 05:41 | <Lethalman> | he's getting directly the binaries without running m-a |
| 05:44 | <enouf> | talking in channel helps everyone damiano ;-) |
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| 05:55 | <enouf> | Lethalman: i think the 4 steps in the wiki should do it, 3 of the commands include m-a |
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| 05:56 | <sheldonh> | i'm surprised there isn't a lenny beta 3 yet |
| 05:57 | <Lethalman> | sheldonh, debian is released once it's ready, don't be surprised |
| 05:59 | <sheldonh> | Lethalman: no, what surprises me is that, with the freeze, there's no new beta yet |
| 05:59 | <enouf> | Lethalman: sigh -- i smell a troll .. :-/ |
| 05:59 | <sheldonh> | oh grow up :) |
| 05:59 | <enouf> | not you tard |
| 05:59 | <enouf> | Lethalman: [05:58:07] [damiano] are you sure? many users told me is impossible to use 3D engine with unofficial package |
| 06:00 | <sheldonh> | oops *blush* :) |
| 06:00 | <Lethalman> | enouf, :) |
| 06:00 | <enouf> | sigh |
| 06:00 | <sp> | ok, to add my two cents to the whole story: I'm not that surprised as a beta with less RC bugs in it sounds better than an early released beta with lots of RC bugs |
| 06:01 | <Lethalman> | sp, to me sounds better |
| 06:02 | <Lethalman> | err maybe i misunderstood what you meant, yes it's better to wait a beta with less RC bugs of course ;) |
| 06:02 | <Lethalman> | and there're lots of goals out there to achieve for lenny yet |
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| 06:03 | <stevecotton> | I would think goals ought to be complete by now (although I think the bash->dash one is still going). |
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| 06:04 | * | Lethalman takes a look at goals.txt |
| 06:04 | <sheldonh> | sp: oh i see. that would explain it. so "let's make sure it's actually an improvement" wins out over "release early, release often" |
| 06:04 | <sheldonh> | sp: it's a trade off, i guess |
| 06:04 | <stevecotton> | there are weekly builds too, if you want to try them. And you can take a beta and then upgrade to the latest version of testing. |
| 06:04 | <sheldonh> | Lethalman: where? |
| 06:05 | <Lethalman> | sheldonh, http://release.debian.org/lenny-goals.txt |
| 06:05 | <Lethalman> | there's a wiki too sheldonh |
| 06:06 | <Lethalman> | also in the page of the RC bugs listing, wherever :) |
| 06:06 | <sheldonh> | stevecotton: ja. i'm just worried that the changes between beta2 and release will be major enough to blow away the early adoption testing i'm doing now :) |
| 06:06 | <sheldonh> | Lethalman: schweet, thanks |
| 06:06 | <sheldonh> | owch. lofty goal: double compilation support |
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| 06:06 | <enouf> | !lenny status |
| 06:06 | <dpkg> | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 06:06 | <nifan> | b'dia |
| 06:07 | <enouf> | !br |
| 06:07 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:07 | <enouf> | ? |
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| 06:08 | <nifan> | sorry, i have more than one server tab, and xchat displays it for all open channels :) |
| 06:08 | <nifan> | btw i'm portuguese not brazilian |
| 06:08 | <stevecotton> | sheldonh: double compilation support has 5 open bugs, ~640 fixed ones. |
| 06:08 | <nsadmin> | is it possible to get gtk2 in etch? |
| 06:09 | <sheldonh> | stevecotton: jesus, someone's been busy! |
| 06:09 | <Lethalman> | nifan, use the treeview instead of tabs |
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| 06:09 | <stevecotton> | sheldonh: lofty but done |
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| 06:09 | <nifan> | Lethalman, i'm using it already |
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| 06:10 | <Lethalman> | nsadmin, who isn't it there already? :O |
| 06:10 | <Lethalman> | s/who// |
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| 06:10 | <nsadmin> | nifan: it's up to you... if you prefer english, use here, if youprefer portugese, the brazillian channel is one way to accomplish it |
| 06:10 | * | Lethalman connection is really slow currently, can't get the jobs done sigh |
| 06:10 | <nsadmin> | Lethalman I'm getting 1.2 |
| 06:11 | <nifan> | i'm not very fond with brazillian channels :) |
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| 06:11 | <nsadmin> | nifan: if you don't mind english, here's good |
| 06:12 | <nifan> | :) |
| 06:13 | <nsadmin> | other than that there's a drop-dead gorgeous blonde brazillian girl in my latin music history class :) |
| 06:13 | <Lethalman> | nsadmin, etch ships gnome2... so etch has got libgtk2.0-0 |
| 06:13 | <Lethalman> | nsadmin, http://packages.debian.org/etch/libgtk2.0-0 |
| 06:13 | <nsadmin> | oh ok |
| 06:13 | <nsadmin> | let me see |
| 06:14 | <Lethalman> | nsadmin, just apt* install libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 06:16 | <nsadmin> | so, I see both 1.2 and 2.0 |
| 06:17 | <nsadmin> | are both somehow in etch? |
| 06:17 | <nsadmin> | anyway I'm installing the -dev now |
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| 06:18 | <nsadmin> | I needed that because I want to build an n64 emu that uses gtk2 |
| 06:19 | <nsadmin> | linker cannot find -lSDL_ttf |
| 06:19 | <nsadmin> | is that in debian? |
| 06:20 | <nsadmin> | nm, found it |
| 06:21 | <sheldonh> | are debian/*.template files in a source package related to debconf? |
| 06:21 | <nsadmin> | wouldn't a package maintainer author the template files for a particular package? |
| 06:23 | <sheldonh> | yes, but what are they for? debconf? |
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| 06:24 | <nsadmin> | oh, not sure... |
| 06:24 | <nsadmin> | you mean probably what program reads them |
| 06:24 | <Lethalman> | nsadmin, gtk1.2 is still there everywhere |
| 06:25 | <nsadmin> | oh ok... due to older apps? |
| 06:25 | <Lethalman> | nsadmin, yes |
| 06:25 | <Lethalman> | nsadmin, if you specify gtk it's 1.2, gtk2 is 2.0, you know debian naming is strong :) |
| 06:26 | <damiano> | the upgrade is finisched...now i see E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 06:26 | <damiano> | what can i do? |
| 06:26 | <damiano> | i passed from ech to sid |
| 06:26 | <Lethalman> | damiano, nopaste: http://paste.debian.net |
| 06:26 | <nsadmin> | !find yasm |
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| 06:27 | <damiano> | http://paste.debian.net/17498/ |
| 06:28 | <nsadmin> | sid is anywhere from somewhat unstable to horribly unstable... |
| 06:28 | <dpkg> | Debian Search of 'yasm' (2): (/usr/bin/texifyasm) in utils/texify ;; (/usr/bin/yasm, /usr/share/lintian/overrides/yasm, /usr/include/{libyasm-stdint.h|libyasm.h}) in devel/yasm. |
| 06:28 | <nsadmin> | if you like solving hard problems, updating to sid is one way to give you some |
| 06:28 | <enouf> | nifan: i know; i looked at your IP prior to me triggering the !br factoid ... i saw the .pt , and yes i know there's an ocean between you and brazil :-P |
| 06:29 | <enouf> | nsadmin: i warned him ...... about 30 min ago or so |
| 06:29 | <Lethalman> | damiano, using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 06:29 | <damiano> | lethalman can i force the install with apt-get -f install ? |
| 06:29 | <damiano> | apt-get |
| 06:30 | <Lethalman> | muble |
| 06:30 | <enouf> | it's --fix-broken |
| 06:30 | <Lethalman> | aptitude would be better for such things i guess |
| 06:30 | <Lethalman> | damiano, try doing an aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 06:30 | <damiano> | apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-broken |
| 06:30 | <damiano> | ah ok ok |
| 06:31 | <Lethalman> | if you get that error again we'll try fixing it |
| 06:31 | <Lethalman> | lately upgrading from etch to whatever is a pain :) |
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| 06:32 | <damiano> | now i'm tring aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 06:32 | <Lethalman> | yes try it |
| 06:32 | <nsadmin> | awesome :) it works :) |
| 06:33 | <damiano> | it's running... i'm praing |
| 06:33 | <damiano> | goood! |
| 06:33 | <Lethalman> | praing? |
| 06:33 | <Lethalman> | praying :) |
| 06:33 | <damiano> | ops yes |
| 06:34 | <damiano> | it's finisched |
| 06:34 | <Sew_Sumi> | praing sounds cool sounding it out |
| 06:34 | <Lethalman> | en_GB locale for *spell is so good for non english users ;) |
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| 06:34 | <damiano> | mmmm |
| 06:34 | <Lethalman> | damiano, do it again |
| 06:34 | <Sew_Sumi> | braing braing goes the phone |
| 06:35 | <damiano> | http://paste.debian.net/17499/ |
| 06:36 | <damiano> | is possible i have to restart? |
| 06:36 | <damiano> | *reboot |
| 06:36 | <Lethalman> | damiano, no |
| 06:37 | <damiano> | mmm |
| 06:37 | <damiano> | there are errors |
| 06:37 | <Lethalman> | damiano, aptitude reinstall docbook-xml |
| 06:39 | <damiano> | http://paste.debian.net/17500/ |
| 06:41 | <jm_> | damiano: you need to inspect postinst script and find out why it breaks |
| 06:41 | <Lethalman> | damiano, dpkg --purge docbook-xml |
| 06:41 | <Lethalman> | jm_, simple: # |
| 06:41 | <Lethalman> | Configuro docbook-xml (4.5-5) ... |
| 06:41 | <Lethalman> | # |
| 06:41 | <Lethalman> | update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered |
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| 06:41 | <jm_> | Lethalman: that obviously explains what breaks, but not why ... |
| 06:41 | <Lethalman> | ops |
| 06:42 | <Lethalman> | didn't realize there was 2 more extra # per line :P |
| 06:42 | <enouf> | whoops :-p |
| 06:42 | <damiano> | http://paste.debian.net/17501/ |
| 06:42 | <Lethalman> | jm_, then he purges and reinstall |
| 06:42 | <jm_> | Lethalman: and why do you think that will help? |
| 06:42 | <damiano> | okay reinstall |
| 06:42 | <Lethalman> | jm_, why shouldn't it? it that doesn't help then he goes through postinst |
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| 06:43 | <Lethalman> | jm_, you can't expect from an user to be a programmer, don't you? |
| 06:43 | <jm_> | Lethalman: who said I expect that? |
| 06:43 | <Lethalman> | damiano, try again aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 06:43 | <Lethalman> | jm_, by finding what things break in postinst scripts |
| 06:43 | <Lethalman> | jm_, so if things can be fixed with apt tools instead of looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info is better at a first glance |
| 06:44 | <enouf> | add 'exit 0' to the .postinst and call it a day |
| 06:44 | <damiano> | one moment lethalman i purge the package and reinstall it |
| 06:44 | <Lethalman> | enouf, lol |
| 06:44 | <damiano> | Rebuilding the database. This may take some time. :) |
| 06:44 | <Sew_Sumi> | hey guys, ok, I know it's a full moon out there... :) |
| 06:44 | <jm_> | Lethalman: so adding set -x to postinst and finding out why update-xmlcatalog fails is programming? |
| 06:45 | <Lethalman> | damiano, do aptitude dist-upgrade, packages will depend on docbook-xml if they need |
| 06:45 | <Lethalman> | jm_, it's not needed for first, if this doesn't work then look in postinst |
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| 06:45 | <enouf> | jm_: he's trying to help - why are you busting his chops? |
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| 06:45 | <Lethalman> | jm_, why starting from advanced troubleshooting resolution if there's a easier way to solve things? |
| 06:45 | <enouf> | Lethalman: you need not explain yourself |
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| 06:45 | <damiano> | i done --> aptitude reinstall docbook-xml i'm wainting |
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| 06:45 | <jm_> | enouf: you should ask him - I was trying to help and he jumped on my case ... |
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| 06:45 | <damiano> | *waiting |
| 06:46 | <enouf> | Lethalman: there are people whom ghave nothing better to do than whine |
| 06:46 | <enouf> | jm_: whatever - i'm out |
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| 06:46 | <Lethalman> | jm_, i'm just saying: what you say is right, but wait for a simpler thing to be done |
| 06:46 | <Lethalman> | jm_, if this doesn't work of course we need to help him finding what's broken through config scripts |
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| 06:48 | <damiano> | lethalman why do you think docbook is the problem? |
| 06:49 | <Lethalman> | damiano, i expect it is, if it's not np there's other possible reasons of course |
| 06:49 | <Lethalman> | *'re |
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| 06:50 | <damiano> | lethal god bless you!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:50 | <damiano> | :D |
| 06:50 | <damiano> | done |
| 06:51 | <damiano> | one moment god there is another package :) |
| 06:51 | <Lethalman> | damiano, aptitude dist-upgrade as i said |
| 06:51 | <damiano> | confirm.... god bless you :D |
| 06:51 | <damiano> | yes it go well |
| 06:52 | <damiano> | http://paste.debian.net/17502/ YESSSS |
| 06:52 | <Lethalman> | damiano, *it goes |
| 06:52 | <damiano> | my bad english!! sorry |
| 06:53 | <Lethalman> | damiano, lsb_release -a && cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 06:54 | <damiano> | http://paste.debian.net/17503/ :D |
| 06:55 | <Lethalman> | all right |
| 06:55 | <damiano> | yes!! |
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| 06:55 | <damiano> | thanks soooo much!! |
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| 06:58 | <enouf> | pardon me, but i did need to leave abrubtly - what i want to say is; i apologize if i misread the situation (but it's ok for certain ops to misread, or not even read from time to time, right?) .. but forget all that crap - My real problem stems from seeing helperB jump on helperA about their tshooting methods, and with some phony authority basically demand they explain what they're thinking - it's fucken stupid, so stop it please |
| 06:58 | <enouf> | - i get very offended when someone tries that crap with me, and i never do that to others (and it bothers me to even see it go on, when i'm not even involved) - and .. if ever i seemingly so, i always show that my inquiries are for my (and others) benefit of knowledge, not adversarial and i don't have an attitude when i ask |
| 06:58 | <enouf> | there are good decent people here - and for that alone, i felt i needed to return and explain ... |
| 06:58 | <enouf> | ok - i'm off for a while - c ya |
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| 06:58 | <jm_> | yes you should read your fucking screen before jumping on people |
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| 07:02 | <sheldonh> | lost in the suexec source code. anyone know how on earth apache modifies commands so that they use relative paths suitable for suexec? |
| 07:02 | <damiano> | bye bye |
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| 07:04 | <sheldonh> | oh. let me try #debian-apache |
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| 07:06 | * | themill notes that the update-xmlcatalog bug is well know but difficult to reproduce which is why it's not fixed yet |
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| 07:07 | <themill> | (and that a way to resolve it is in the bts already) |
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| 07:20 | <Lethalman> | themill, what's the way to resolve it? i only found an apt-get remove, just like we've done with damiano |
| 07:21 | <Lethalman> | ah using update-xmlcatalog indeed |
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| 07:56 | <T_X> | hi there, is there a prog available that implements the 35-overwriting steps for magnetic data by peter gutmann? |
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| 07:57 | <T_X> | as far as I know does shred random overwrites only |
| 07:58 | <T_X> | is there a way to do this with dd? how can I write 0x11 on the whole device /dev/sda1 for instance? |
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| 08:14 | <stevecotton> | T_X: packages wipe and secure_delete |
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| 08:18 | <T_X> | I found a tool secure_delete from thc, is that the one you mean? |
| 08:18 | <T_X> | should I use this one or wipe? |
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| 08:24 | <T_X> | well, thanks stevecotton, I'll have a look at them |
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| 08:27 | <sheldonh> | can someone clue me into how rules are applied to specific binary packages in the apache (not apache2) build? |
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| 09:04 | <sheldonh> | is there some documentation on building your own apache module packages for etch? it lacks an apache-src package |
| 09:05 | <jm_> | apache-dev doesn't cut it? |
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| 09:10 | <mrpumba> | hello |
| 09:10 | <mrpumba> | :) |
| 09:10 | <mrpumba> | exit |
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| 09:22 | <variable> | how to list all environment variables? |
| 09:22 | <jm_> | env |
| 09:23 | <stew> | or set |
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| 09:30 | <padski> | all those years I've been typing the 5 extra chars for "printenv" |
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| 09:38 | <TMcTrain> | hello |
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| 10:06 | <densin> | hi all |
| 10:07 | <densin> | I'm curious. I apt-get install something and it will install php5{a} too. what is php5{a} ? my machine already have php5. |
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| 10:08 | <jackyf> | densin: really? apt-cache show php5 stands 'installed' ? |
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| 10:09 | <densin> | nop, I mean It already installed before that apt-get |
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| 10:12 | <carnil_> | hi |
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| 10:13 | <carnil_> | I need to have, that from gnome as wm, the users can only log out, but not shutdown or reboot. Can someone give a hint how this can be achieved? |
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| 10:19 | <Guest387> | uyjjyhkyfdg |
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| 10:25 | <sheldonh> | is there documentation on how sys-build.mk works? i'm finding the apache build a bit bewildering |
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| 10:31 | <goundy> | yo all |
| 10:31 | <goundy> | How to install firefox 3 on debian etch ôO ? |
| 10:31 | <goundy> | I'm getting iceweasel stuff |
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| 10:31 | <goundy> | I'm a gentoo user I'm just starting trying debian and got already this issue >_> |
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| 10:33 | <[machine]> | goundy:running which release of debian? |
| 10:33 | <aptituz> | I won't call a different-named browser an _issue_ |
| 10:33 | <aptituz> | [machine]: he already identified the release as beeing "etch" |
| 10:33 | <goundy> | [machine], debian etch |
| 10:33 | <MaxJays> | hello, my question is: is there any Visualizer to Ubuntu, extreme like the one in winamp? |
| 10:33 | * | [machine] nods, i missed that |
| 10:33 | <avtobiff> | MaxJays, ubuntu isn't a music player afaik |
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| 10:34 | <goundy> | aptituz, I've been searching for mozilla-firefox and just firefox but I'm seeing that these are transition packages to iceweasel |
| 10:34 | <MaxJays> | i know... but to some musicplayer, or standalone.. |
| 10:34 | <MaxJays> | avtobiff :) |
| 10:34 | <aptituz> | goundy: however debian etch does not include firefox 3 |
| 10:34 | <jackyf> | goundy: iceweasel is an unbranded firefox |
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| 10:34 | <Golfgeo> | Hi all |
| 10:34 | <goundy> | damn |
| 10:34 | <avtobiff> | MaxJays, probably yes. but this is #debian not #ubuntu. try at #ubuntu :) |
| 10:34 | <goundy> | :< |
| 10:34 | <aptituz> | goundy: but iceweasel is an unbranded firefox 2 |
| 10:34 | <goundy> | aphexer, firefox 3 is better man :) |
| 10:34 | <[machine]> | goundy: firefox is called icewease in debian, iceweasel 3 will be in the next release lenny |
| 10:34 | <MaxJays> | oy, i must have chosen the wrong server :) |
| 10:35 | <MaxJays> | my bad.. |
| 10:35 | <MaxJays> | sorry! |
| 10:35 | <aptituz> | well, firefox3 is just to new for debian etch |
| 10:35 | <goundy> | [machine], once lenny is out can I upgrade etch to lenny directly or I've to reinstall ? |
| 10:35 | <MaxJays> | have a nice day ya'll! |
| 10:35 | <avtobiff> | MaxJays, although, probably rhythmbox, banshee, amarok and many other have them. searching the net would probably get you very good results. :) |
| 10:35 | <MaxJays> | thnx! |
| 10:35 | <[machine]> | goundy: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ;) |
| 10:35 | <MaxJays> | i'll try! |
| 10:35 | <goundy> | [machine], thanks baby :-) |
| 10:35 | <[machine]> | you could actually upgrade today |
| 10:35 | <aptituz> | (come on! etch was released a year ago) |
| 10:36 | <[machine]> | just change your sources |
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| 10:37 | <Golfgeo> | Using rdesktop and seamlessrdp I do get a nice xwindow with the remote desktop, yet individual apps don't integrate into x, what could be wrong? |
| 10:37 | <goundy> | [machine], to change my sources ? Does a tutorial about new sources exists ? |
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| 10:37 | <decapithaine> | hello |
| 10:38 | <swifty> | hello |
| 10:38 | <[machine]> | goundy: google "etch to lenny" or http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/06/how-to-upgrade-from-etch-to-lenny/ |
| 10:38 | <goundy> | [machine], okay :D |
| 10:38 | <goundy> | thanks again |
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| 10:38 | <decapithaine> | i'd to know how to share folders locally |
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| 10:39 | <decapithaine> | i have a hub an the both pc have internet |
| 10:39 | <decapithaine> | *and |
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| 10:41 | <Golfgeo> | Found out what was the problem... I was logged in... |
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| 10:44 | <goundy> | [machine], Is b43 support present in debian ? |
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| 10:45 | <themill> | !b43 |
| 10:45 | <dpkg> | somebody said b43 was the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). Supported devices list at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. |
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| 10:45 | <jackyf> | goundy: yes |
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| 10:45 | <goundy> | jackyf, hmm weird am unable to find some text about that ... |
| 10:46 | <goundy> | Damn! debian is really weird I prefer my Gentoo lol but I'll continue learning it :p |
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| 10:47 | <bahadunn> | gentoo? seriously? |
| 10:47 | <goundy> | bahadunn, yeah |
| 10:47 | <goundy> | it rox |
| 10:47 | <bahadunn> | whatever |
| 10:48 | <goundy> | hehe |
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| 10:48 | <charl> | can one use an ip as a mx record in bind? |
| 10:48 | <goundy> | bahadunn, that's the nicer thing in the open source world. everyone uses what he likes :) |
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| 10:50 | <bahadunn> | goundy: yep |
| 10:50 | <bahadunn> | charl: dont think so |
| 10:50 | <charl> | thanks :) |
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| 10:51 | <goundy> | bahadunn, i've a damned problem :) |
| 10:51 | <goundy> | I'm unable to find b43-fwcutter package when I apt-cache search b43 |
| 10:51 | <bahadunn> | goundy: sounds unfortunate |
| 10:51 | <goundy> | How come ? |
| 10:51 | <bahadunn> | no idea |
| 10:52 | <goundy> | >_> |
| 10:52 | <ansgar> | goundy: Do you have contrib in our sources.list? |
| 10:52 | <bahadunn> | goundy: do you have contrib |
| 10:52 | <bahadunn> | goundy: it is in contrib which you probably dont have enabled |
| 10:53 | <goundy> | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 10:53 | <goundy> | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 10:53 | <goundy> | I enabled it |
| 10:53 | <goundy> | and did apt-get update |
| 10:54 | <bahadunn> | okay so now what? |
| 10:54 | <goundy> | apt-cache search b43 returns nothing |
| 10:54 | <ansgar> | goundy: I think it may be in etch, not etch/updates. |
| 10:54 | <goundy> | ansgar, what do you mean ? |
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| 10:55 | <bahadunn> | goundy: you enabled contrib for security updates |
| 10:55 | <goundy> | aaaah |
| 10:55 | <goundy> | I see |
| 10:55 | <goundy> | thanks |
| 10:55 | <bahadunn> | goundy: you need contrib for non security |
| 10:55 | <goundy> | damn gotta go school finished >_> |
| 10:55 | <goundy> | okay bahadunn I'll change that |
| 10:55 | <goundy> | ++ |
| 10:55 | <goundy> | thanks again |
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| 11:03 | <ezguy> | i looking to replace thunderbird with clawsmail, how stable and reliable? would anyone recommend clawsmail (fast and light) over thunderbird? |
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| 11:30 | <knoppix_> | hol |
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| 11:50 | <zumbi> | !hi |
| 11:50 | <dpkg> | hello, zumbi |
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| 11:50 | <zumbi> | I can not see youtube videos within iceweasel |
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| 11:51 | <zumbi> | Do i need some package to watch youtube videos on iceweasel? |
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| 11:54 | * | zumbi answering myself.. flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 12:10 | <kurumin> | WWW.ORKUT. |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | ; |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | KKIOI |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | ,LKIKUYUFG |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | MJHHYTTERFXDSRT |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | M,NKJHUHVGHCDFGDEWEWESAQWA2Qwqa |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | 0ojbhujhjy76t7 |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | ............................. |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | ,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | frtr55yfgytu7t78 |
| 12:10 | <themill> | kurumin: do you have a debian related question we can help you with? |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | poipoiohgfgesrawezds |
| 12:10 | <kurumin> | kkiujou88iuyijhihjio |
| 12:11 | <kurumin> | ......................... |
| 12:11 | <kurumin> | ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; |
| 12:11 | <kurumin> | ///////////////////// |
| 12:11 | <kurumin> | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:11 | <themill> | kurumin: please stop |
| 12:11 | <kurumin> | 9ijuyhjmn |
| 12:11 | <kurumin> | ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] |
| 12:11 | <themill> | !ops kurumin is playing games |
| 12:11 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: kurumin is playing games |
| 12:11 | <kurumin> | []]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] |
| 12:11 | <kurumin> | yhugh |
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| 12:11 | <kurumin> | ----------------------- |
| 12:11 | <kurumin> | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
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| 12:11 | <themill> | thanks, weasel, Ganneff |
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| 12:11 | <grusnac> | hi |
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| 12:12 | <grusnac> | i am beginer |
| 12:12 | <amphi> | !tell grusnac -about ask |
| 12:12 | <grusnac> | from one week knoppix debian user |
| 12:13 | <grusnac> | i love knoppix |
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| 12:13 | <arezey_> | !knoppix |
| 12:13 | <dpkg> | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems. |
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| 12:14 | <grusnac> | i am 54 zears old,and for the first time mi os is not windovs |
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| 12:14 | <amphi> | grusnac: rejoice! |
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| 12:16 | <grusnac> | now,i am not in mi countri,ROMANIA |
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| 12:17 | <noflash> | grusnac, that's wonderful...if you need any support try #knoppix |
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| 12:17 | <grusnac> | i am in GERMANI |
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| 12:17 | <Sew_Sumi> | hey, nah, still LEGENDARY!!! 54 and into the irc help sections first.... mint... |
| 12:18 | <qq-> | grusnac: vino in #debian-ro |
| 12:18 | <grusnac> | and i discovered the true softvare |
| 12:18 | <Sew_Sumi> | vino? is that "talk/converse" in romanian? |
| 12:18 | <grusnac> | va multumesc de ajutor |
| 12:18 | <qq-> | grusnac: use "/j #debian-ro " |
| 12:19 | <grusnac> | voi trece pe ro,pt ca nu ma descurc f bine cu engleya |
| 12:20 | <qq-> | Sew_Sumi: vino in == come to |
| 12:20 | <Sew_Sumi> | true that |
| 12:21 | <Sew_Sumi> | like, just as a question, about romanian, whats like, "all of you join a single group" and "use /r message to talk to the group" |
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| 12:22 | <Sew_Sumi> | I want to copy and paste it so I can put it up easy.. :) |
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| 12:24 | <qq-> | Sew_Sumi: "all of you join a single group" == "voi toti formati un singur grup" |
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| 12:26 | <qq-> | Sew_Sumi: "use /r message to talk to the group" == "folositi comanda /r pentru a discuta cu acest grup" |
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| 12:29 | <grusnac> | qq,cred ca tre sa intru in consola |
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| 12:30 | <qq-> | grusnac: use "/j #debian-ro " |
| 12:30 | <grusnac> | dar cum |
| 12:30 | <grusnac> | cum |
| 12:30 | <grusnac> | in consola_ |
| 12:30 | <qq-> | scrii aici , nu in consola : /j #debian-ro |
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| 12:39 | <npf> | hello, i'am using adduser to create a system user in a package |
| 12:39 | <npf> | and i noticed a difference between etch and lenny: |
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| 12:39 | <npf> | with etch the the login is disabled |
| 12:39 | <npf> | whereas with lenny it is enabled |
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| 12:40 | <npf> | that doesn't seem to be a config (nothing related in /etc/adduser.conf nor /etc/skel) |
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| 12:41 | <npf> | does the default for --disabled-login or --disabled-passwd changed between that 2 versions of adduser ? |
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| 12:43 | <themill> | npf: what version of adduser do you have? (dpkg -l adduser) |
| 12:44 | <path> | hi there |
| 12:44 | <path> | is it possible to resize a lvm partition ? |
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| 12:45 | <nosbig> | Yes and no... |
| 12:45 | <npf> | 3.102 vs 3.107 |
| 12:45 | <npf> | it's a fix in 3.105 |
| 12:45 | <path> | I made a separate /home and / seems to be running out of space |
| 12:45 | <path> | nosbig I just want to know if I can resize de / partition |
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| 12:45 | <npf> | i just catched it in the changlog |
| 12:45 | <nosbig> | path: It is possible to resize an LVM logical volume... |
| 12:45 | <npf> | sorry for the noise |
| 12:45 | <npf> | themill: thanks |
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| 12:46 | <path> | /dev/mapper/hammer-root that would be a logical volume nosbig ? |
| 12:46 | <path> | /dev/mapper/hammer-home and that one? |
| 12:46 | <nosbig> | path: Most likely... |
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| 12:46 | <themill> | npf: yeah, Well, a change. Unexpected perhaps too. |
| 12:46 | <path> | so I need to shrunk the home partition oh my bad |
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| 12:46 | <npf> | themill: * fix non-working --disabled-password, when using --system. |
| 12:46 | <npf> | Thanks to Ray Miller for the patch. Closes: #433639 |
| 12:47 | <npf> | seems like expected ;) |
| 12:47 | <npf> | what is supprising me is that we never noticed it before, when installing our soft on etch |
| 12:47 | <themill> | npf: yes, I read that. That's why I was asking you what versions. I would have expected a "system" user to have login disabled by default though. |
| 12:47 | <npf> | ok |
| 12:48 | <nosbig> | path: Yeah, you should be able to expand the partition once the logical volume is enlarged... But there are risks. |
| 12:48 | <themill> | npf: but perhaps I'm being silly about it |
| 12:48 | <npf> | heeh |
| 12:48 | <path> | nosbig I'd better backup ? :D |
| 12:48 | <npf> | thanks anyway |
| 12:48 | <themill> | np |
| 12:48 | <nosbig> | path: You should determine what might be able to be placed into a separate partition in a logical volume... |
| 12:49 | <nosbig> | path: For example, could you put /usr or /var elsewhere to free up space on your root filesystem. |
| 12:49 | <path> | nosbig, could I even use /dev/mapper/hammer-home ? |
| 12:50 | <path> | first time on lvm, just learning from scratch :) |
| 12:50 | <path> | gotta read a lot |
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| 12:50 | <nosbig> | path: If you have additional space on /dev/mapper/hammer-home, you could create a new partition in the device and mount it anywhere you like... |
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| 12:51 | <nosbig> | It's just that the /dev/mapper/hammer-home is likely configured as a dedicated logical volume for your home directories... |
| 12:51 | <path> | now thats a great solution nosbig thanks! |
| 12:51 | <path> | it is |
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| 12:52 | <path> | but now I figured out what you're trying to say |
| 12:52 | <path> | lvm = virtual hard drives |
| 12:52 | <path> | right? |
| 12:52 | <nosbig> | path: Now, my system has been installed for about 4 years now, updated with the latest packages in testing, so I don't have LVM configured on this machine... ;-) But I have a few servers that are set up that way. |
| 12:53 | <path> | :) |
| 12:53 | <path> | sounds fun |
| 12:53 | <path> | I just wanted to try encrypt filesystems and lvm |
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| 12:53 | <path> | theres soo much to learn :D |
| 12:53 | <nosbig> | path: Yes and no... LVM abstracts the disk space so that you can add physical hardware and manage it in a consistent way... Much the same way that you can use ethernet or 802.11g and run the same IP protocol and applications on top... |
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| 12:54 | <nosbig> | path: I would be wary of encrypted filesystems... Particularly for system partitions which need lots of reading. It will slow down the system. If you want to encrypt a filesystem, do your home directory, and maybe something like /var. |
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| 12:55 | <nosbig> | path: Yes, there is a lot to learn... It's been a continual evolution for me for the last decade. |
| 12:55 | <fxiny> | it slows down just a bit |
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| 12:55 | <path> | nosbig, really? at first that was my main concern |
| 12:56 | <path> | performance issues |
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| 12:56 | <fxiny> | my etch full luks encrypted works like a charm |
| 12:56 | <nosbig> | fxiny: Have you have to fsck a 100+ GB hard drive which as been encrypted??? ;-) |
| 12:56 | <fxiny> | performaces ? very good |
| 12:56 | <path> | thats what I read |
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| 12:56 | <fxiny> | nosbig: fschecking a 100+ sucks anyway :) |
| 12:57 | <path> | nosbig, that sounds a long journey :D |
| 12:57 | <nosbig> | I tend to recommend encrypting your entire home directory or creating a dedicated encrypted volume for sensitive files. |
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| 12:57 | <fxiny> | my etch encrypted is a clone : i set the layer up and i cloned a normal etch |
| 12:57 | <fxiny> | nice game |
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| 12:57 | <nosbig> | lol It has been... New Debian (and Ubuntu) are so much easier to work with than Red Hat 5.2 (my first distribution) was... |
| 12:58 | <nosbig> | fxiny: That sounds like an interesting approach... I'll have to try that sometime. |
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| 12:58 | <fxiny> | nosbig: nice indeed |
| 12:59 | <fxiny> | nosbig: boot >> ext2 ;) |
| 12:59 | <fxiny> | dear old ext2 |
| 12:59 | <nosbig> | lol |
| 12:59 | <fxiny> | swap encrypted ;) |
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| 13:00 | <nosbig> | dear old 2.0 and 2.2 kernels... I remember how much of a change switching from 2.2 to 2.4 kernels was... |
| 13:00 | <nosbig> | iptables was much more flexible than ipchains. |
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| 13:04 | <variable> | what command will show me all proc? |
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| 13:04 | <nosbig> | ps ax |
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| 13:07 | <fxiny> | nosbig: encrypting home or a volume for sensitive data leaves swap tmp , and whatever , naked . i read something in a gentoo forum about using gpg to avoid the ram passsword issue . i'll look into it in lenny |
| 13:08 | <fxiny> | now . i just type a pass at boot , i'll see what this gpg thing is |
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| 13:11 | <fxiny> | dunno how to send the pass goes in ram gpg encrypted , it sounds interesting |
| 13:11 | <fxiny> | s/goes// |
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| 13:12 | <variable> | how to check do i have jdbc? |
| 13:14 | <erKURITA> | apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 13:14 | <erKURITA> | should tell you if the package is installed or not |
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| 13:16 | <zeta> | this is weird |
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| 13:16 | <zeta> | the ctrl-a shortcut in the iceweasel bar goes to the beginning of the line as opposed to select-all |
| 13:16 | <leu8> | emerson brandão |
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| 13:17 | <erKURITA> | zeta ctrl-e |
| 13:17 | <zeta> | erKURITA: ctrl-e goes to the end of the line |
| 13:17 | <fxiny> | nosbig: http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_System_Encryption_DM-Crypt_with_LUKS#GPG-protected_keys and Gutmann http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html |
| 13:18 | <erKURITA> | man, I wouldn't care to type an extra passphrase |
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| 13:18 | <zeta> | ? |
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| 13:22 | <fxiny> | i don't want any extra pass , i want a command to erase from ram any pass in a "Gutmann way" as soon as the decryption ends |
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| 13:22 | <fxiny> | so . if gentoosmites are after this issue . i'll look into it |
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| 13:24 | <erKURITA> | fxiny I suppose you've heard of the cold boot attack, right? |
| 13:25 | <fxiny> | yes |
| 13:25 | <erKURITA> | well, it's either you delete the encryption key from the ram when it goes in suspension mode or you encrypt it again |
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| 13:28 | <fxiny> | erKURITA: you know why i'm using a luks system ? because i have extra resources and i'm not talking >4G ram and 4 cores |
| 13:28 | <erKURITA> | yeah I know |
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| 13:30 | <fxiny> | and . i'm slowly moving to lenny : on the same hardware lenny show impressive performaces comparing to etch when writing to hd , one more reason to luks up my nect stable |
| 13:30 | <fxiny> | next* |
| 13:30 | <erKURITA> | fxiny I'm on testing |
| 13:32 | <fxiny> | i will keep a dedicated partition for maintenance , this way i can always mount my home in case of boot or root failure |
| 13:33 | <fxiny> | of course it will be just a bit more of a base install *clone* , i'm lazy :P |
| 13:34 | <erKURITA> | I have a vault partition I will turn into an encrypted fs |
| 13:34 | <erKURITA> | I just need apt-build to finish |
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| 13:34 | <erKURITA> | I got my new laptop |
| 13:34 | <fxiny> | erKURITA: mine is boot (etx2) root home and swap |
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| 13:35 | <erKURITA> | do you even use swap? o_O |
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| 13:35 | <fxiny> | erKURITA: you'll never know ;) |
| 13:35 | <erKURITA> | true |
| 13:35 | <fxiny> | swap is a mistery |
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| 13:35 | <erKURITA> | I may have to encrypt home aswell since I'll start college soon |
| 13:36 | <erKURITA> | and people here are quite the a**holes |
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| 13:37 | <fxiny> | someone told me to use initram instead of a dedicated "maintenance partition" , it sounds good |
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| 13:39 | <fxiny> | but a quick base install clone will cover the root/boot badblock issue , i don't trust large hd |
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| 13:40 | <erKURITA> | nice |
| 13:40 | <fxiny> | oh yes , handy : think about backups ;) |
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| 13:43 | <prahal> | anyone using symfony with official debian packages ? I cannot get the symfony script to work and do not see a proper way to fix it |
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| 14:01 | <nubbun> | what is the package that indexes your /usr/share/doc/html and creates directory pages? |
| 14:02 | <nubbun> | fxiny: the initrd (initial ram disk) will still take up space. Then it will be on the unencrypted /boot. |
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| 14:04 | <fxiny> | nubbun: yes |
| 14:05 | <fxiny> | nubbun: whet directory pages ? are you after an indexing app ? |
| 14:05 | <fxiny> | what* |
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| 14:06 | <Sew_Sumi> | He wants some thing to make an something.html file listing of his directory, so he can hyperlink easy? |
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| 14:07 | <Sew_Sumi> | Or just to have an html file listing of all thier files and sizes and that |
| 14:07 | <fxiny> | stearns-list.sh ? |
| 14:07 | <Sew_Sumi> | I have no idea on what that is |
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| 14:08 | <Sew_Sumi> | Here's one, How can I get cedega/or/wine going, and then install a game.... SA MP.... :F |
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| 14:08 | <fxiny> | i use swish-e + jswishi + apache |
| 14:09 | <Sew_Sumi> | is that for the listing fxiny? |
| 14:09 | <fxiny> | you can check mnogosearch , if you want |
| 14:09 | <fxiny> | Sew_Sumi: stearns ? |
| 14:09 | <fxiny> | is a gpl shell scriupt i have since ages |
| 14:09 | <Sew_Sumi> | tnah, swich-e |
| 14:09 | <nubbun> | fxiny: There is a package that indexes other HTML debian packages ant makes html directory pages for different categories. |
| 14:09 | <nubbun> | ant->and |
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| 14:10 | <Sew_Sumi> | wow, that's a goodie |
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| 14:11 | <Sew_Sumi> | like, does it read the sources.lst and that?? |
| 14:11 | <fxiny> | Sew_Sumi: the "swish-e jswishi apache" combo makes a pretty nice local search engine , jswishi is a cgi . swish-e comes with more cgi . you can check mongosearch |
| 14:11 | <Sew_Sumi> | or even different "repositories" |
| 14:11 | <nubbun> | I don't know how it does it. But you gave me an idea on how I might re-find it. |
| 14:12 | <Sew_Sumi> | mongosearch?? |
| 14:12 | <fxiny> | nubbun: that's interesting |
| 14:12 | <Sew_Sumi> | I am old school |
| 14:12 | <fxiny> | mnogosearch |
| 14:12 | <nubbun> | I think it has a dependancy on apache. |
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| 14:29 | <anhan10> | i have a problem when i try to install kde: |
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| 14:29 | <anhan10> | Preparing to replace util-linux 2.12r-19 (using .../util-linux_2.13.1.1-1_arm.deb) ... |
| 14:29 | <anhan10> | install-info(ipc): failed to lock dir for editing! Operation not permitted |
| 14:29 | <anhan10> | dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 14:29 | <anhan10> | how can i fix this? |
| 14:29 | <dpkg> | anhan10: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 14:31 | <anhan10> | can someone help me here? http://paste2.org/p/75621 |
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| 14:36 | <chealer> | !te33 anhan10 about bat |
| 14:36 | <chealer> | !tell anhan10 about bat |
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| 14:41 | * | maxb wonders what "bat" stands for |
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| 14:42 | <jv> | hi all! does anybody used qemu for emulating arm7 device? |
| 14:42 | <nubbun> | jv: never used qemu before but was interested. Have you? |
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| 14:42 | <stew> | maxb: Basic Apt/Aptitude Troubleshooting |
| 14:42 | <maxb> | ah |
| 14:43 | <jv> | yes....but i want to emula a machine for ulinux |
| 14:43 | <jv> | de embedded dist |
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| 14:43 | <jv> | and i'm having some errors |
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| 14:53 | <nubbun> | what happened to adept? |
| 14:53 | <nubbun> | (package) |
| 14:54 | <dieg> | :) |
| 14:54 | <dieg> | a alguien le apetece ? :) |
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| 14:57 | <daniiel> | !es |
| 14:57 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:57 | <parecen> | nubbun: what do you mean? |
| 14:57 | <daniiel> | !fr |
| 14:57 | <dpkg> | it has been said that fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:58 | <daniiel> | my knowledge of other languages is embarrassingly pathetic .. |
| 14:58 | <nubbun> | parecen: there used to be a debian package manager named 'adept'. It looked very much like synaptics, but used the Qt widgets. |
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| 14:59 | <nubbun> | but it is no longer in the package list. |
| 14:59 | <parecen> | nubbun: yes, but what information are you looking for? |
| 14:59 | <nubbun> | Why is it no longer a listed package? |
| 14:59 | <parecen> | package list of what? lenny? |
| 14:59 | <nubbun> | yes, lenny. |
| 15:00 | <upsilon> | it's in unstable, must be too buggy |
| 15:01 | <parecen> | nubbun: check bugs.debian.org |
| 15:02 | <nubbun> | thanks for the tip. |
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| 15:03 | <craigevil> | adept has a list of bugs miles long stick with aptitude |
| 15:04 | <parecen> | that depends whether the bugs affect you in a way you dont like and whether aptitude or synaptic have the features you are looking for in adept |
| 15:05 | <stevecotton> | craigevil: it has 9. Have you seen the buglist for aptitude and apt? |
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| 15:06 | * | stevecotton uses aptitude, but gets worried when he looks at the bug list. |
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| 15:06 | <craigevil> | yes, i know they both have big buglists, i use apt in sid myself and aptitude on my eeepc lenny install |
| 15:06 | <qq-> | !tell qq- about sidux |
| 15:06 | <parecen> | stevecotton: i doubt he looked at the bug list at all, i suspect he is just guessing why adept is not in lenny. but that actually has different reasons |
| 15:07 | <stevecotton> | parecen: ditto |
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| 15:08 | <craigevil> | search the mailing lists, it was there when it was pulled from testing |
| 15:08 | <dieg> | a alguien le apetece ? tio_guapo_cam@hot ... |
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| 15:09 | <parecen> | craigevil: the hint to check with bugs.debian.org was given long ago and suits much better than "search the mailing lists" |
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| 15:17 | <chealer> | !tell qq- about selftell |
| 15:18 | <chealer> | nubbun: adept 2 was removed due to lack of maintainance. adept 3 is still in development. |
| 15:19 | <chealer> | s/maintainance/maintenance/ |
| 15:19 | <ranix> | thanks for that chealer, I was seething subconsciously |
| 15:19 | <ranix> | mostly because 'maintainance' looks right |
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| 15:20 | <chealer> | ranix: right. I always have to correct myself |
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| 15:23 | <chealer> | heh, still 2030 000 Google hits |
| 15:23 | <ranix> | google probably corrects it subconsciously |
| 15:24 | <ranix> | some of those really bother me |
| 15:24 | <ranix> | I really do want to search for "sneaking" and I do not want hits for "sneak" |
| 15:24 | <ranix> | thanks anyway Google |
| 15:25 | <ranix> | I want Google regex searches |
| 15:25 | <chealer> | ranix: the results I see for "maintainance debian" suggest that. but I didn't know Google would do that |
| 15:25 | <ranix> | chealer: some it does and some it doesn't |
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| 15:26 | <ranix> | chealer: some searches, like 'debien' and 'sarcofagus' search the actual misspelled word |
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| 15:26 | <ranix> | chealer: others, like 'maintainance', search on the corrected spelling |
| 15:27 | <ranix> | a search for 'sarcofagus' is hilarious by the way |
| 15:27 | <ranix> | also, 'jesus bananas' |
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| 15:46 | <daniiel> | !nv |
| 15:46 | <dpkg> | [nv] the X4's free video driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or GeForce), does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/nv, http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/NVIDIA Etch users: 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' 2.0.3-1 (available since 4.0r4) provides support for GeForce 8 series chipsets. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required instead, ask me about <nvidia>. |
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| 15:49 | <zepard> | hi |
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| 15:50 | <zepard> | i m getting bored of this irc client (xchat) which irc client do you use |
| 15:50 | <chealer> | !tell daniiel about msg the bot |
| 15:50 | <zepard> | what is intersting to use |
| 15:51 | <Gathond> | interesting, well telnet keeps your life interesting ... having to answer server pings and all:) |
| 15:51 | <chealer> | zepard: I use konversation. which desktop environment do you use? |
| 15:51 | <zepard> | chealer, xfce or fluxbox |
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| 15:57 | <zepard> | what about console based ones |
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| 15:58 | <qq-> | zepard: irssi ? |
| 15:58 | <jthomas> | I reported a bug this mornig with 'reportbug' and spent some time on it, and the app said it would email me within about an hour -- and I've not gotten that email. So I went to check on the package here and it says there are no bugs reported against it :( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gspca-modules-2.6-686;dist=testing |
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| 16:00 | <kmap> | jthomas: Is your computer configured to send e-mail? |
| 16:00 | <jthomas> | should be, i can send locally |
| 16:00 | <kmap> | jthomas: e.g. Does mail you@youraddress end up sending a mail? |
| 16:01 | <kmap> | Is there a way for you to check the logs of your MTA? |
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| 16:02 | <Nemoder> | jthomas: you might check /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
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| 16:03 | <jthomas> | "Mailing to remote domains not supported" great. |
| 16:03 | <kmap> | jthomas: Ah! So rerun reportbug, and dump the output at the last step. |
| 16:03 | <Nemoder> | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:03 | <kmap> | jthomas: Copy paste it into your mailer. |
| 16:03 | <jthomas> | why would that be, my home computer should be set up the same and can email 'mail name@domain.com' fine |
| 16:03 | <zepard> | irssi then |
| 16:03 | <zepard> | ok |
| 16:03 | <jthomas> | where would I find the email? |
| 16:04 | <kmap> | jthomas: Try /tmp/ somewhere, file name starts with reportbug... |
| 16:04 | <kmap> | Else, rerun reportbug. :-) |
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| 16:05 | <zepard> | a question for desktop use of etch; if I install 3 browsers on gnome I should reconfigure all the browsers sepratly for proxy use, is there a way to make them aware about an existing configuration of an already installed browser? |
| 16:06 | <jthomas> | no, up ran updatedb and then locate reportbug and none are in /tmp/ |
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| 16:09 | <chealer> | jthomas: please provide your exim mainlog |
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| 16:10 | <jthomas> | mainlog said no outside domains |
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| 16:11 | <kmap> | jthomas: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:11 | <jthomas> | i just did, thanks |
| 16:11 | <kmap> | jthomas: Oh, fine. |
| 16:12 | <jthomas> | yeah now I am testing it |
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| 16:14 | <jthomas> | ok that didn't work, do i need to set up a smarthost on another system? at my home debian lenny machine i can send emails from its local 'domain' which is totally bogus, and get them on my gmail, without any of this exim4 reconfig setup... |
| 16:15 | <jthomas> | but now that i think about it, it uses another mailer, citadel |
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| 16:15 | <jthomas> | what a pain on that bugreport thing, i spent time on that one |
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| 16:23 | <jthomas> | ok resubmitted with KMail, hope that works. |
| 16:23 | <jthomas> | thanks all. |
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| 16:26 | <javatexan1> | anyone know how to sense if a USB flash drive is plugged into the USB but not mounted yet from C program? |
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| 16:33 | <jaek> | anyone know how to get a mozilla java plugin to work on my 64 bit debian? |
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| 16:40 | <stew> | jaek: in what version of debian? |
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| 16:43 | <jaek> | testing/lenny |
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| 16:43 | <daniiel> | jaek, i heard it doesn't work yet, but that gnash player was an option |
| 16:43 | <teratoma> | is lenny out soon (dont kill me) |
| 16:43 | <themill> | !wwlr |
| 16:43 | <dpkg> | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 16:44 | <jaek> | daniiel, not flash, java |
| 16:45 | <stew> | jaek: try icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
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| 16:46 | <daniiel> | oh, sorry i misread |
| 16:46 | <themill> | stew: any idea why it's not called openjdk-6-plugin? |
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| 16:53 | <stew> | themill: no, i'd guess it will be renamed, it was uploaded long before openjdk |
| 16:53 | <themill> | ahh |
| 16:53 | <stew> | (which is why it was in contrib) |
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| 16:54 | <jaek> | i think they are still two separate projects |
| 16:54 | <chealer> | !nvidia_lenny |
| 16:54 | <dpkg> | The nvidia drivers are still a mess in lenny. If you can help sort them out before lenny releases, then please do. In the mean time, first ask me about <nvidia_lenny_1> then <nvidia_lenny_2> i.e. /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny_1 |
| 16:55 | <chealer> | themill: do you know what mess that factoid refers to? |
| 16:55 | <jaek> | m-a can not straight up install the nvidia driver |
| 16:56 | <jaek> | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-337f90d1f5d7baf630273562556bb3feac6e98b0 |
| 16:56 | <chealer> | right, they aren't in lenny, but except for that, is there a mess with, say, the current drivers? |
| 16:56 | <stew> | ok, by "long before" i should have said "a month before" |
| 16:56 | <themill> | chealer: not really. I'm lastmod on that because I translated the even bigger mess that was there into something more approximating English. The sequence of commands grew too long that it had to be split into two factoids a while ago. |
| 16:56 | <chealer> | themill: ok, thanks |
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| 16:57 | <themill> | chealer: the fact that you have to backport them from sid because they were removed from lenny is IMO a mess though. |
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| 16:58 | <themill> | chealer: the wiki page even used to say so too |
| 16:58 | <chealer> | themill: you don't have to, though |
| 16:58 | <themill> | chealer: you don't now? |
| 16:58 | <themill> | I've not been following that closely, but I was under the impression that you still had to. |
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| 16:59 | <chealer> | themill: you never had too, excluding maybe short times, or when X was never in sid |
| 16:59 | <themill> | chealer: ahh. you mean pulling the packages directly from sid? |
| 17:00 | <chealer> | themill: yes |
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| 17:00 | <themill> | That's not going to work for much longer... either they need to get fixed in lenny or you really will have to backport them. |
| 17:01 | <chealer> | themill: they're not in lenny since a long time. |
| 17:01 | <themill> | I know |
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| 17:03 | <Svarttrost> | Hello |
| 17:04 | <chealer> | dpkg: no, nvidia_lenny is <reply>The nvidia drivers aren't in lenny. You can install them by getting them from unstable. To install them anyway, try following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and don't miss the Current issues section. You may setup a quick testing/unstable mix. |
| 17:04 | <dpkg> | chealer: okay |
| 17:04 | <themill> | chealer: :) |
| 17:04 | <Svarttrost> | May I ask for assistance? |
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| 17:06 | <giojotoca> | hola necesito ayuda en knoppix |
| 17:06 | <giojotoca> | saben de algun canal en español para knoppix |
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| 17:07 | <Svarttrost> | Having problems with installing debian, anyone willing to give advice? |
| 17:08 | <amphi> | giojotoca: perhaps on freenode? |
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| 17:10 | <drone77> | Svarttrost, ask the question to which you want an answer |
| 17:11 | <Svarttrost> | Just thought it would be polite to ask first if anyone cares to help, than you |
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| 17:12 | <Svarttrost> | So, my problem is tha I have this Asus minilapto in wich I'd like to install debian |
| 17:12 | <drone77> | Svarttrost, #debian-eeepc |
| 17:12 | <Svarttrost> | It has no cd/dvd drive so livecd is out of question |
| 17:13 | <amphi> | Svarttrost: usb stick? |
| 17:13 | <drone77> | Svarttrost, i have one also, there is the channel (as mentioned above), have you seen the wiki |
| 17:13 | <Svarttrost> | Is that the channel i should go with my problem? |
| 17:13 | <drone77> | that is the debian eeepc support channel |
| 17:13 | <Svarttrost> | Sorry, I'm new to this |
| 17:13 | <drone77> | Svarttrost, no problem |
| 17:14 | <Svarttrost> | Oh, thank you, I'll be going there |
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| 17:15 | <damiano> | hello everybody... |
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| 17:16 | <damiano> | when i search java (sdk/jre) apt-get founds only jre, have i to put other server to sources.list ? |
| 17:17 | <Hydroxide> | damiano: search for jre |
| 17:17 | <themill> | !install java |
| 17:17 | <dpkg> | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives> |
| 17:17 | <Hydroxide> | damiano: err, jdk |
| 17:17 | <damiano> | ops!!! |
| 17:17 | <damiano> | jdk! no sdk :D ehehe bad name :) |
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| 17:18 | <Hydroxide> | themill: at some point soon, dpkg's factoid needs to be updated to take into account the fact that lenny will include openjdk-6-* and icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 17:19 | <themill> | Hydroxide: yes. That's on my "lenny release todo list" for curating the factoids. |
| 17:19 | <jthomas> | giojotoca: puede preguntar en #debian-es pero no se yo un canal de knoppis en espanol, posiblemente #knoppix-es ? |
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| 17:20 | <jthomas> | what is icedtea java? |
| 17:20 | <themill> | !icedtea |
| 17:20 | <dpkg> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea or http://icedtea.classpath.org |
| 17:20 | <Gathond> | coffee with ice tea? |
| 17:20 | <Hydroxide> | jthomas: icedtea is the stuff that was made to replace the encumbered bits of openjdk (all have now been integrated upstream), plus things build harnesses and other Linux integration stuff |
| 17:21 | <Hydroxide> | jthomas: (including the adaptation of gcjwebplugin to openjdk) |
| 17:21 | <jthomas> | nice, gotta love the Freedom |
| 17:21 | <giojotoca> | jthomas gracias, quiero instalarle linux a una pention 3 de 700mhz con 128 de ram que me recomiendas tu, knoppix o debian |
| 17:22 | <stew> | !java amd64 |
| 17:22 | <dpkg> | To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper> Alternatively try the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin package. |
| 17:22 | <stew> | !java amd64 =~ s#Alternatively#Alternatively, in lenny or later,# |
| 17:22 | <dpkg> | stew: OK |
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| 17:23 | <themill> | good point |
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| 17:24 | <jthomas> | giojotoca: siempre yo recomendo Debian ;) com KDE, claro. Aunque puede investigar "Elive" que es Debian con Enlightenment17, y es muy rapido para los ordinadores antiguas.... http://www.elivecd.org/ |
| 17:24 | <jthomas> | giojotoca: no mas espanol aqui, lo siento |
| 17:25 | <giojotoca> | gracias, thanks |
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| 17:28 | * | Guest444 notes that one of testing updates in the last 24 hours (maybe linux kernel) seems to cause to crash virtualbox (1.6.6) (crash = meditation wizard suggesting to power off the machine) |
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| 17:29 | <jthomas> | great to know, thanks you Guest444 |
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| 17:29 | <Guest444> | host: hardy 64 bit, guest: lenny 32bit |
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| 17:45 | <decapithaine> | hello |
| 17:45 | <decapithaine> | alarmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:45 | <decapithaine> | :D |
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| 17:46 | <Sew_Sumi> | thats not a good way to get attention |
| 17:46 | <decapithaine> | hello |
| 17:46 | <Sew_Sumi> | hi |
| 17:46 | <Sew_Sumi> | how are you? |
| 17:46 | <decapithaine> | i am OK |
| 17:46 | <decapithaine> | and you? |
| 17:46 | <Sew_Sumi> | pretty cherry |
| 17:46 | <Sew_Sumi> | thows the weather? |
| 17:46 | <decapithaine> | it's the night for me |
| 17:46 | <decapithaine> | but the weather is very cold |
| 17:47 | <Sew_Sumi> | still the night has weather, yeah, las night here was raining |
| 17:47 | <decapithaine> | the air is really like glace |
| 17:47 | <decapithaine> | where ru from? |
| 17:47 | <Sew_Sumi> | NZ |
| 17:47 | <decapithaine> | ok |
| 17:47 | <Sew_Sumi> | u? |
| 17:47 | <decapithaine> | France |
| 17:47 | <Sew_Sumi> | txtspk rox |
| 17:48 | <Sew_Sumi> | yeah, true that... |
| 17:48 | <decapithaine> | lol |
| 17:48 | <decapithaine> | let me see |
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| 17:49 | <decapithaine> | tu fous quoi là ? |
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| 17:49 | <Ganneff> | if you do not have any debian question go elsewhere please. |
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| 17:49 | * | Sew_Sumi *burnt* |
| 17:50 | <decapithaine> | no, seriously, i have a problem with the file sharing with samba |
| 17:50 | <Sew_Sumi> | I know limited samba, very limited but yeah? |
| 17:50 | <decapithaine> | i edited the file smb.conf |
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| 17:51 | <decapithaine> | wait |
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| 17:52 | <decapithaine> | in this file, we can see how the consitution of a standard smb.conf is : http://www.debianadmin.com/file-server-configuration-in-debian-using-samba.html |
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| 17:52 | <decapithaine> | search for "In this file main section" |
| 17:52 | <decapithaine> | just under you'll see [global] etc |
| 17:53 | <qq-> | decapithaine: one common mistake with samba is not enable shared files on ... windows machine/s |
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| 17:53 | <decapithaine> | i enabled :D |
| 17:54 | <decapithaine> | i can see a computer |
| 17:54 | <Sew_Sumi> | k, so whats going wrong? |
| 17:54 | <decapithaine> | i named it something but the name something else, which is "elive" |
| 17:54 | <Sew_Sumi> | elive cd aye |
| 17:55 | <decapithaine> | yop |
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| 17:55 | <decapithaine> | just 2 sc |
| 17:55 | <decapithaine> | i am a bit confused |
| 17:56 | <decapithaine> | what do we have to put in "valid user" |
| 17:56 | <decapithaine> | i have "zero" |
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| 17:58 | <decapithaine> | can i continue? |
| 17:58 | <decapithaine> | i mean to ask you |
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| 17:59 | <qq-> | not yet , try some tests , with "valid user" or so |
| 17:59 | <Ganneff> | if you go and write down what you want elsewhere first, so you know what you actually want to ask... |
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| 18:00 | <decapithaine> | ok |
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| 18:04 | <qq-> | decapithaine: but you use elive, don't you ? |
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| 18:08 | <decapithaine> | yes qq- |
| 18:08 | <decapithaine> | but it is debian |
| 18:09 | <decapithaine> | not like ubuntu |
| 18:09 | <decapithaine> | not in the like of ubuntu |
| 18:09 | <decapithaine> | i have a question |
| 18:10 | * | qq- mdr |
| 18:10 | <decapithaine> | ahah |
| 18:10 | <decapithaine> | français ? |
| 18:10 | <Ganneff> | !fr |
| 18:10 | <dpkg> | [fr] Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:10 | <decapithaine> | lol |
| 18:11 | <qq-> | !elive |
| 18:11 | <dpkg> | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 18:11 | <decapithaine> | yop it has enlightenment |
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| 18:11 | <decapithaine> | really strict lol |
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| 18:17 | <qq-> | decapithaine: there is e16 in debian > e16 Éditeur pour le gestionnaire de fenêtres enlightenment |
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| 18:18 | <decapithaine> | yop, i know, the servers are not the same |
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| 18:19 | <decapithaine> | je ne savais même pas tiens |
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| 18:19 | <decapithaine> | tu l'as testé ? |
| 18:19 | <qq-> | decapithaine: some times ago |
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| 18:41 | <philsf> | how hard is it nowadays to setup a NIS+ on debian? (I have used NIS in the past, and the docs made clear that NIS+ was pretty hard to do by then, some 8 years ago) |
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| 18:51 | <Sew_Sumi> | if you are meaning Network Install, Easy as I'd say now, just tricky |
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| 18:52 | <Sew_Sumi> | experienced users have more chance of ending up troubleshooting/installing with not really much hassle |
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| 18:53 | <dmoerner> | i think he means this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIS%2B |
| 18:54 | <Sew_Sumi> | I was just thinking along the lines of me being noob |
| 18:54 | <Sew_Sumi> | i was close, I was thinking it was network storage after a min |
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| 19:19 | <philsf> | ldap |
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| 19:51 | <decapithaine> | back |
| 19:52 | <bower> | Hi!! i need turn off vga output in my laptop |
| 19:53 | <oxmoz> | what is the way to get 2.6.27 in Debian using apt? I tried to switch to experimental but it seems to still use 2.6.26 |
| 19:54 | <avu> | oxmoz, .27 isn't even released yet |
| 19:54 | <gravity> | bower: xrandr |
| 19:54 | <avu> | oxmoz, so, no, it's not in the archives |
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| 19:55 | <oxmoz> | so if I want .27 I must compile it? |
| 19:55 | <avu> | yes |
| 19:55 | <oxmoz> | only .27 can handle my wifi card and touchpad for my laptop :'( |
| 19:55 | <avu> | if you want 2.7-rc6 or a git snapshot that is |
| 19:55 | <avu> | .27 isn't available yet |
| 19:55 | <avu> | from anywhere |
| 19:55 | <avu> | as it doesn't exist yet |
| 19:56 | <oxmoz> | and is this risky to compile a .27 on a Debian Testing? with my other packages for instance |
| 19:56 | <dmoerner> | oxmoz: just download the debs |
| 19:56 | <avu> | it is in general risky to compile unrleased software still in beta/alpha, sure |
| 19:56 | <oxmoz> | avu: I was asking that because I saw Ubuntu was using .27 in the last alpha |
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| 19:56 | <avu> | s/compile/use/ that is |
| 19:57 | <avu> | especially with something like the kernel |
| 19:57 | <dmoerner> | oxmoz: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 19:57 | <oxmoz> | yeah :/ |
| 19:57 | <avu> | that being said, .27 is pretty close to release |
| 19:57 | <oxmoz> | but my wifi won't work otherwisd |
| 19:57 | <oxmoz> | -d+e |
| 19:57 | <craigevil> | oxmoz: The latest stable kernel is 2.6.26.5; the latest snapshot of the stable kernel is 2.6.27-rc6-git5; the latest beta kernel is 2.6.27-rc5-mm1, you can always grab a vanilla krenel from kernel.org but its a lot of work and not something to try if you have never done it |
| 19:58 | <avu> | 'a lot of work' is stretching it a bit |
| 19:58 | <oxmoz> | thanks for the informations |
| 19:58 | <dmoerner> | it's just a matter of downloading a deb and installing it |
| 19:58 | <oxmoz> | I'll give a shot |
| 20:00 | <craigevil> | you can also try adding deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main to your sources.list and seeing what is available that way |
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| 20:08 | <philsf> | how hard is it nowadays to setup a NIS+ on debian? (I have used NIS in the past, and the docs made clear that NIS+ was pretty hard to do by then, some 8 years ago) |
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| 20:16 | <abrotman> | philsf: i don't think NIS+ itself has changed much .. perhaps the tools got better |
| 20:17 | <philsf> | abrotman: have you ever tried it? |
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| 20:17 | <abrotman> | not in a very long time |
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| 20:18 | <philsf> | what's the alternative to centralize logins? ldap? |
| 20:19 | <philsf> | I mean, can ldap substitute NIS, in terms of local file ownerships and other stuff? |
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| 20:19 | <philsf> | (while being anywhere safe) |
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| 20:21 | <abrotman> | ldap .. kerberos i guess .. there are a few alternatives |
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| 20:22 | <n00bi3> | hello. I'm getting a new cpu asap and i need to change my debian version. I'd like to know which is the version of debian for Intel Core 2 Duo? |
| 20:22 | <dmoerner> | you can use either i386 or amd64 |
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| 20:22 | <dmoerner> | if you use i386 chose a 686 kernel |
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| 20:23 | <oxmoz> | dmoerner: it worked well, apparently, thanks again |
| 20:23 | <oxmoz> | now my wifi card is recognized |
| 20:24 | <abrotman> | dmoerner: i386 etch has a 64bit kernel available in the -amd64 |
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| 20:24 | <n00bi3> | so I can use amd64 or i386? I thought amd64 was just for amd cpu =/ |
| 20:24 | <Nemoder> | !amd64 |
| 20:24 | <dpkg> | somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 20:24 | <dmoerner> | amd64 is for most modern 64-bit architectures, including core2duo |
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| 20:25 | <n00bi3> | alright then. thank you guys, specially you dmoerner :D |
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| 20:32 | <xmelvinx> | hi everyone |
| 20:33 | <cTATU1> | Sup. |
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| 20:33 | <yuri> | it's norma that my cpu temp is always about 42° ? cpu : PIV 3.0 GHZ |
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| 20:34 | <yuri> | i never cleaned cpu |
| 20:34 | <cTATU1> | yes |
| 20:34 | <yuri> | I had better that I clean it? |
| 20:34 | <cTATU1> | mine is 63 right now |
| 20:34 | <yuri> | i see... |
| 20:34 | <cTATU1> | so 42 is not bad |
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| 20:36 | <yuri> | I have asked to you about because "sensors applet preference" an item of gnome panel is orange and then red when cpu is about 43-45 |
| 20:36 | <xmelvinx> | who knows how install hamachi? |
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| 20:39 | <Nemoder> | xmelvinx: I have used it with debian |
| 20:39 | <xmelvinx> | how? |
| 20:40 | <Nemoder> | you have to run tuncfg as root, then hamachi-init, hamachi start, hamachi login etc |
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| 20:40 | <upsilon> | http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Install_on_Linux ? |
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| 20:40 | <xmelvinx> | but i have to compile tuntap? |
| 20:41 | <xmelvinx> | in thw wiki say something |
| 20:41 | <Nemoder> | it's part of the kernel |
| 20:41 | <xmelvinx> | that better i dont want compile my kernel again |
| 20:41 | <xmelvinx> | xD |
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| 20:42 | <Nemoder> | oh if you are using a custom kernel and you didn't enable it then you may have to |
| 20:43 | <xmelvinx> | umm i have upgrade |
| 20:43 | <xmelvinx> | so isnt custom |
| 20:43 | <xmelvinx> | 2.6.26 |
| 20:43 | <Nemoder> | if it's a debian kernel then it should autload tuntap when you run tuncfg |
| 20:44 | <Nemoder> | you can check ifconfig to see if it properly created a ham* interface |
| 20:44 | <xmelvinx> | oka |
| 20:45 | <xmelvinx> | i need run tuncfg when i start again? |
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| 20:45 | <n00bi3> | the debian-amd64 cd-1 has gnome as window manager? |
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| 20:46 | <Nemoder> | xmelvinx: yeah |
| 20:47 | <Nemoder> | n00bi3: gnome is the default when you choose Desktop in tasksel but you an install any desktop environment you want |
| 20:47 | <Nemoder> | s/an/can/ |
| 20:47 | <xmelvinx> | how i can do for run tuncfg in the start? |
| 20:47 | <decapithaine> | hello there |
| 20:48 | <rrm> | not to start a flame war.. but what is better as memory usage? kde or gnome. i kinda like kde since it feels more unix like |
| 20:48 | <decapithaine> | i have trouble configuring the smb.conf for file sharing... |
| 20:49 | <abrotman> | rrm: way too many variables |
| 20:49 | <n00bi3> | Nemoder: when i'm installing debian-amd64 from the cd-1 (im gonna download only this cd) it will ask me in any part what WM i want to install or will it install gnome as default? |
| 20:50 | <Nemoder> | it will install gnome as default if you choose Desktop, but you can manually run aptitude and choose a different one |
| 20:50 | <n00bi3> | Nemoder: great! thank you :) |
| 20:51 | <xmelvinx> | Nemoder, where is tuncfg? |
| 20:51 | <rrm> | kde-core vs gnome-core |
| 20:51 | <xmelvinx> | i cant find where the wiki says |
| 20:51 | <rrm> | abrotman |
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| 20:51 | <Nemoder> | xmelvinx: it should be installed with hamachi, probably in /usr/local/sbin |
| 20:51 | <abrotman> | rrm: still too many variables .. just try them both and look for yourself |
| 20:51 | <xmelvinx> | i will see |
| 20:51 | <dewente> | hey brothers.. i looking for a good book of bash scripts |
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| 20:52 | <Nemoder> | rrm: if you are really concerned about memory usage both of them are a poor choice :) |
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| 20:52 | <abrotman> | dewente: power tools ? |
| 20:52 | <rrm> | well... is true nemoder... but you need something better then openbox, xfce. |
| 20:52 | <dewente> | abrotam, is that good book ? |
| 20:52 | <Nemoder> | I'm happy with xfce |
| 20:53 | <abrotman> | dewente: ask amazon |
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| 20:53 | <n00bi3> | abrotman: <rofl> |
| 20:54 | <dewente> | abrotman.. unix power tools |
| 20:54 | <abrotman> | dewente: i guess it's not just bash |
| 20:54 | <abrotman> | been awhile since i've looked at it |
| 20:55 | <dewente> | abrotman, and so ? |
| 20:55 | <abrotman> | and so? |
| 20:56 | <abrotman> | dewente: maybe ask #bash on freenode |
| 20:56 | <dewente> | abrotman, but that book is good ? do you recommend it ? |
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| 20:57 | <gravity> | dewente: It's a good book, but I don't refer to it much |
| 20:58 | <abrotman> | dewente: it is a good book .. but it's not just on bash |
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| 21:01 | <dewente> | ok dudes .. i need a good book of administration |
| 21:03 | <dewente> | i got the pdf of unix power tools |
| 21:03 | <abrotman> | unix system administrator's handbook |
| 21:03 | <abrotman> | doesn't google have like a top 10 list ? |
| 21:04 | <dewente> | how can i see that list ? |
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| 21:04 | <abrotman> | ask google? |
| 21:04 | <dewente> | unix system administrator's handbook is too old book |
| 21:04 | <abrotman> | then stop asking us |
| 21:05 | <gravity> | dewente: There's the Debian Bible, but it's a bit outdated now |
| 21:05 | <abrotman> | why is the USAH too old? |
| 21:05 | <gravity> | I don't know how much sysadmin stuff there is |
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| 21:13 | <complexity_> | where do you guys/gals rate apress for books ? |
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| 21:13 | <complexity_> | ?? |
| 21:14 | <gravity> | Hit or miss. Some sorta weak editing at times. |
| 21:14 | <gravity> | They published Resig's Javascript book, which is very good |
| 21:14 | <complexity_> | I currently own 3 books, and I am not impressed |
| 21:14 | <complexity_> | 2 on bash and one on Mono |
| 21:15 | <craigevil> | book? as in hard copy ick why bother |
| 21:15 | <complexity_> | are they available for free d/l? |
| 21:16 | <complexity_> | books are good for instant reference |
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| 21:24 | <xmelvinx> | Nemoder, are u there? |
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| 21:36 | <scribebox> | testing |
| 21:36 | <scribebox> | hmmm |
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| 21:41 | <n00bi3> | for newbies the version of debian most recommended is etch or testing? |
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| 21:43 | <baitchutert> | i'm kind of a noob having switched over after a few months of ubuntu. on my notebook i think lenny was the better decision |
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| 21:44 | <baitchutert> | it's some 2 1/2 years old and etch didn't support a lot of it out of the box |
| 21:45 | <n00bi3> | baitchutert: i heard that lenny has a few bugs and the better choice for newbies is etch. that's why i asked |
| 21:46 | <baitchutert> | I thought so but I think lenny is fine. and you can still switch back if you don't like it. I used netinstall. worked fine for me |
| 21:47 | <avu> | n00bi3, lenny does still have a few critical bugs, yes, otherwise it would be released already |
| 21:47 | <n00bi3> | baitchutert: yea. anyway if i have etch and wanned to change for lenny is just edit my /etc/apt/sources.list with lenny repositories? |
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| 21:47 | <abrotman> | few? |
| 21:48 | <baitchutert> | don't know about that. I simply installed lenny |
| 21:48 | <n00bi3> | avu: yup. |
| 21:48 | <upsilon> | n00bi3: yes |
| 21:49 | <n00bi3> | upsilon: thank you |
| 21:49 | <upsilon> | but it can break... |
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| 21:50 | <gravity> | n00bi3: I'd go with Etch until Lenny is released. If you really need Lenny sooner, you can easily move to it, but you can't easily move to etch from lenny. Downgrades aren't supported. |
| 21:50 | <gravity> | n00bi3: So yeah, start with Etch, and go from there |
| 21:51 | <n00bi3> | gravity: right! :D |
| 21:52 | <scribebox> | hmm |
| 21:52 | <scribebox> | xubuntu is pretty solid with sycos kernel |
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| 21:55 | <jada> | hablan español |
| 21:55 | <abrotman> | !es |
| 21:55 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:56 | <n00bi3> | !pt |
| 21:56 | <dpkg> | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 21:58 | <n00bi3> | !de |
| 21:58 | <dpkg> | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
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| 22:31 | <jjsousa> | Boa noite!! |
| 22:31 | <jjsousa> | Alguem por aí? |
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| 22:35 | <stew> | !pt |
| 22:35 | <dpkg> | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 23:15 | <jidm> | Hi. My X crashes when choosing Restart or Power Down from the main menu. I'm using debian testing with gnome and compiz. |
| 23:16 | <jidm> | i have to ctrl-alt-backspace to finally restart/power down my pc |
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| 23:17 | <jidm> | where can i look for logs to see what is happening ? |
| 23:17 | <qq-> | jidm: hehe , to nice |
| 23:18 | <jidm> | i mean i want to see some log files, but i dont know where to look for them |
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| 23:19 | <jidm> | hi qq. thanks :P |
| 23:19 | <qq-> | all this only to spam the channel |
| 23:19 | <jidm> | qq: sorry? |
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| 23:20 | <qq-> | ctrl-alt-backspace don't restart any pc , first |
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| 23:21 | <qq-> | and with " Restart or Power Down from the main menu" is normal to stop X |
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| 23:25 | <rrm> | Hi. I have a quick question. I installed kde-core... How can i remove all it installed? |
| 23:26 | <dmoerner> | !remove kde |
| 23:26 | <dpkg> | [remove kde] aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 23:27 | <chealer> | rrm: which Debian suite do you use? |
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| 23:27 | <rrm> | etch 4.0r4 |
| 23:27 | <chealer> | jidm: in /var/log/ |
| 23:27 | <chealer> | rrm: which package manager do you use? |
| 23:27 | <rrm> | apt-get aptitude |
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| 23:28 | <rrm> | i think that command worked |
| 23:28 | <jidm> | qq: I have to restart my X (not my pc) in order to start the process of shutting down/restarting my pc |
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| 23:29 | <jidm> | my X freezes instantly when i press the Restart or Power Down button in the screen, or fisically |
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| 23:30 | <jidm> | it started happening since a week ago |
| 23:31 | <rrm> | !remove gnome |
| 23:31 | <dpkg> | remove gnome is, like, aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 23:31 | <jidm> | sorry im not expert english speaker, but i do mi best |
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| 23:32 | <wpgreenway> | why not just type "shutdown now" as root? |
| 23:32 | <wpgreenway> | that way X can't break on you! :-P |
| 23:33 | <jidm> | i follow these steps: first i press Restart button on the screen. Suddenly my X freezes, then so i press ctrl-alt-backspace and thanks to this my pc follows the steps of restarting (that is what i've choosed with my mouse) |
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| 23:34 | <jidm> | wpgrenway: thanks for the tip! but im trying to know why is this happening |
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| 23:35 | <jidm> | do you know any log file where i can search for an error? |
| 23:35 | <jidm> | i think is something with privileges, or with compiz |
| 23:36 | <henkmetselaar> | (11:27:33) chealer: jidm: in /var/log/ |
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| 23:36 | <jidm> | thanks henkmetselaar |
| 23:38 | <wpgreenway> | jidm: are you using gdm or kdm? |
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| 23:38 | <jidm> | im using gdm |
| 23:39 | <jidm> | and im using debian testing. I know gdm was updated recently |
| 23:39 | <jidm> | maybe is an issue with it |
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| 23:41 | <wpgreenway> | did you find anything in the Xorg log? |
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| 23:42 | <jidm> | im checking |
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| 23:44 | <jidm> | wpgreenway: there are some warnings, but no errors are present |
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| 23:47 | <sheriff> | Can I manually set reverse DNS in the same way that I can set basic lookup in /etc/hosts? |
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| 23:49 | <evilGUI> | .msg bot936 send xdcc #115 |
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| 23:53 | <wpgreenway> | jidm: there was a bug report recently with a similar claim, but theirs actually gave errors in the console. Does your screen do anything other than freeze when you try to shut down? (does it start to go black or anything?) |
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| 23:55 | <jidm> | my screen just freezes and i see like a picture the instant i press the button (e.g. restart) and my computer does nothing |
| 23:55 | <wpgreenway> | ok |
| 23:55 | <jidm> | so i press ctrl-alt-backspace and X closses and thre process continues |
| 23:56 | <jidm> | i see a error line but i cant reach to read it |
| 23:56 | <jidm> | did i say it correctly? |
| 23:56 | <wpgreenway> | yes |
| 23:56 | <wpgreenway> | that's interesting |
| 23:57 | <jidm> | can you please pass me the url of that bug to see if is that similar to mine? |
| 23:58 | <jidm> | i didnt learn yet to deal with bugs :/ |
| 23:59 | <wpgreenway> | trying to find it again, one moment. |
| 23:59 | <jidm> | thanks |
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