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00:01<Tom>Do you suggest to try Lenny? If yes, do you suggest to go with one CD or one DVD, or... ?
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00:03<RIVE>Tom, grab CD 1 of Lenny and install it.
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00:07<uriel_>how do i run/install microsoft office 2007 with Wine
00:08<uriel_>?
00:08<Tom>Thank Rive! I'll try. Good night, tamas
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00:09<RIVE>Take care Tom.
00:10<strikr>Where can I get a xml parser for perl
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00:22<strikr>Where can I get msgmft
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00:27<rW|Antharist>Hi @ll! Has anyone experience with Drupal running on an webserver?
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02:12<YouBucky>Hi All, I'm after a website that has various linux tutorials or enterprise scenario projects.... I'd like something that illustrates various setups to learn more about what you'd expect to find when working in a linux environment
02:12<YouBucky>Anyone able to point me in the right direction? :)
02:15<enouf>could you be a bit more vague?
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02:16<strikr>from what I made out of it, hes looking for different setups where something goes wrong and how implementing debian solves it
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02:17<paistis>like ltsp?
02:17<YouBucky>Sorry, my question is vague I know
02:18<YouBucky>Let me try explain...
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02:18<strikr>That would fit what I understood
02:19<YouBucky>There are so many Linux projects, numerous applications that achieve similar goals, I'm looking for example infactructure setups I can duplicate that will teach and illustrate what you would realistically setup in an enterprise.
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02:20<strikr>install it, turn it on. Theres your infrastructure setup.
02:20<YouBucky>For example you would expect a syslog server is common, apache as a web server, perhaps a zabbix box to monitor health etc, just some fun projects.....
02:21<YouBucky>My knowledge is limited and my exposure to linux is limited, Id like to see what others are doing in the enterprise arena
02:22<YouBucky>Does that clarify my question?
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02:23<zepard>hey people, out do you think about putton ~/.bash_profile in /etc/profile for GDM login
02:23<zepard>?
02:24<Aeron|mtf>what command do i need to run to play sgt-puzzles?
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02:26<YouBucky>One common thing I've found with linux is there are thousands of articles to fix a problem or install an app but I'm yet to find somthing that ties it all together, Debian is fantastic but theres very little that sells the big picture of the value it can add to an organisation
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02:30<craigevil>hm that would be why thousands of schools and businesses use debian > http://www.debian.org/users/ just to name a few
02:30<Aeron|mtf>what command do i need to run to play sgt-puzzles?
02:31<craigevil>its a ton of diff games they should be in your games menu
02:31<dgodfather>i am running a debian etch with kernel 2.6.18-6-686 on a mobo gigabyte P35DS3L
02:31<Aeron|mtf>craigevil, they are not
02:31<dgodfather>i want to get sound to work, i can't install alsa and set it up
02:31<craigevil>they are on my kde dsktop under the debian menu games>Puzzles
02:32<Aeron|mtf>craigevil, i'm running Ubuntu, and i asked in the Ubuntu channel and no one answered. i figured that since Ubuntu is based off Debian that maybe someone here could help
02:32<dgodfather>and from past tries it seems alsa for this kernel doesn't support the on board sound card
02:32<craigevil>havent a clue where they would be on the ubuntu gnome menu
02:33<dgodfather>i think it should install the driver package of snd_hda_intel but i am quite sure it doesn't support my hardware in that kernel
02:33<dgodfather>how do i get it to work?
02:33<craigevil>have you tried running alsaconf as root
02:33<YouBucky>Dont get me wrong I think Debian is awesome but there are so many differant applications achieve the same results, what Id like to see is example setups in an enterprise. For example you can find articles to setup a Win 2K3 box with explaination of now we need AD to achive this which relies on DNS to achieve this.... its all clear and structured, where can I find the same thing for Debian?
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02:34<YouBucky>Unless you specifically know what you want its difficult to know if you're making the "best" choice with X package
02:34<creeed>hello
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02:35<dgodfather>can anyone help me with that?
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02:36<YouBucky>dgodfather: do you know what hardware is installed and what you are missing?
02:37<craigevil>dgodfather: in a terminal as root run alsaconf
02:37<creeed>I'm a newboie and I just try now to install the proprietary nvidia-Drivers using its own installer, this one tell me to install the kernel-source, kernel headers and kernel-devel, can someone please tell me how to install those?
02:38<dgodfather>YouBucky: i tried that
02:38<craigevil>creeed: which release?
02:38<dgodfather>craigevil: it suggest ISA legacy
02:39<dgodfather>YouBucky: what do you mean by if in know what HW is installed?
02:39<craigevil>ISA is the only choice?
02:39<zepard>sgt-puzzles should be in /usr/games
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02:40<dgodfather>craigevil: yes, in also conf, also doing alsa reload it sais non loaded non to load
02:40<creeed>I use Debian Etch 4.0 for amd64 architekture
02:40<craigevil>!dpkg nvidia
02:40<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
02:40<creeed>craigevil, I use the Kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64
02:41<dgodfather>creeed: when someone tells you something conclusive, please let me know i wan't them two
02:41<craigevil>creeed: follow the wiki
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02:41<creeed>craigevil, dpkg wiki do you mean
02:41<craigevil>yes
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02:42<YouBucky>dodfather: Have you tried creating a custom kernel adding alsa as a module?
02:42<dgodfather>craigevil: well any idea?
02:42<gsimmons>dgodfather: You require a more recent ALSA version. Please provide the output of lspci at a paste site.
02:42<gsimmons>!paste
02:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
02:42<craigevil>nope for starters ive never ran stable
02:42<dgodfather>gsimmons: i will give me a few secs
02:42<craigevil>why did you go back to etch after having lenny installed?
02:43<dgodfather>gsimmons: http://pastebin.com/m185c214b
02:43<dgodfather>it doesn't recognize my gforce card
02:44<gsimmons>dgodfather: Run "update-pciids", then provide an updated paste.
02:44<creeed>thank you
02:45<craigevil>creeed: if that gives you issues try http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html
02:45<dgodfather>gsimmons: much better :) -> http://pastebin.com/m333d73cb
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02:46<dgodfather>gsimmons: i know i need a newer alsa version but how do get one?
02:47<dgodfather>from repositories?
02:48<dgodfather>gsimmons: are you still with me?
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02:50<gsimmons>dgodfather: The easiest method would be to install a later kernel package for use in your Etch system. You can either use the etchnhalf kernel (2.6.24, providing ALSA 1.0.15) or a backports.org kernel (2.6.26, provides ALSA 1.0.16). "/msg dpkg etchnhalf" and "/msg dpkg backports.org" respectively.
02:51<dgodfather>gsimmons: i don't want that solution cause then i don't have support for installing the nvidia driver for my system under those kernels
02:51<dgodfather>is there another way?
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02:52<zepard>hey people, out do you think about putt in ~/.bash_profile in /etc/profile for GDM login
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02:52<zepard>what do you think about putt this ~/.bash_profile in /etc/profile for GDM login
02:52<gsimmons>dgodfather: Probably. I don't have any nVidia hardware so I can't assist you in this regard.
02:53<craigevil>dgodfather: both the 2.6.24 and 2.6.26 will work just fine with nvidia
02:53<zepard>sorry for repeating I have too much mistakes when typing (not yet awake)
02:53<gord>I upgraded from .24 to .26 without issue
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02:54<dgodfather>craigevil: but the 2.6.26 is from backports and i didn't succeed installing the nvidia driver after installing the kernel
02:54<dgodfather>craigevil: how can i embed a new ALSA version in my current kernel?
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02:55<gord>dgodfather, did you download your kernel source?
02:55<gord>dgodfather, embed? alsa is compiled as a module and runs seperately
02:55<dgodfather>gord: even better
02:55<dgodfather>gord: no i didn't
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02:56<gord>dgodfather, go to alsahq, download the libraries and drivers, uninstall your previous version with apt-get , extract the sources and run "./configure... make... make install" 'make install' will need root privileges
02:56<gord>dgodfather, you will need the kernel sources if you are using the nvidia installer (easiest way imo)
02:57<gord>installing with the nvidia installer will however require you to kill
02:57<gord>X*
02:57<gord>ps aux|grep X xdm gdm kdm
02:57<dgodfather>gord: but heard it's not a good way if you are ever to upgrade your system
02:57<gord>kill any *dm and /bin/x process ids
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02:58<gord>dgodfather, there are no issues with it and upgrading. If you run into issues you can always default to nv or vesa using xorg.conf and then reinstall the nvidia drivers later
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02:59<gord>but that could happen for any reason (even updates)
02:59<gord>it's unlikely but it can happen
02:59<gord>it is easy to fix
03:00<gord>if you prefer to use the repositories and build your nvidia kernel module you're welcome to do that as well
03:00<dgodfather>gord: how do i do that? yes i do prefer but doing this from the 2.6.26 kernel didn't work for me last time i tried.
03:01<gord>I didn't use the prescribed method. I used the nvidia installer and encountered no errors
03:01<dgodfather>gord: please let me boot of the new kernel and i will reconnect here and use your guidence if you may?
03:01<gord>sure, but I'm running low on time
03:01<dgodfather>in that case i am willing to try the installer
03:01<dgodfather>10x
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03:04<dgodfather>!backports
03:04<dpkg>i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
03:04<gord>dgodfather, download the appropriate nvidia installer from nvidia.com
03:05<dgodfather>gord: sec wanted to ask about the repository for backports i need to add
03:05<dgodfather>i don't have them
03:05<gord>I used no backports to install the drivers
03:05<gord>are you using the nvidia installer?
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03:06<dgodfather>i will, i only need a newer kernel for the sound
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03:06<dgodfather>i have a to old alsa driver for my HW
03:06<dgodfather>i need the newer kernel unless you can help me set it up under 2.6.18
03:07<dgodfather>and i wan't my nvidia driver installed under the working kernel
03:07<gord>the newer kernel should be available... are you running etch or lenny?
03:07<dgodfather>etch
03:07<gord>-_-"
03:07<gord>didn't know people still used etch
03:07<dgodfather>i do, trying to move to lenny killed me,
03:08<gord>you might as well upgrade now, if you have the time
03:08<dgodfather>:)
03:08<craigevil>he had lenny installed earlier but couldnt get nvidia installed
03:08<gord>that is odd
03:08<dgodfather>true
03:08<dgodfather>but not with the official driver
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03:08<gord>were you using this method? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
03:09<dgodfather>gord: no, someone here simply guided me through and left in the middle :)
03:09<dgodfather>sure i am smiling now
03:09<dgodfather>i messed up my whole system
03:09<gord>did you reinstall?
03:09<dgodfather>also the upgrade to lenny wasn't smooth
03:10<dgodfather>yep
03:10<gord>if you dont want the hassle of upgrading you can download lenny itself
03:10<dgodfather>i know know but it shouldn't have been such a hassle should it?
03:11<dgodfather>it was supposed to be a metter of simple apt-get dist-upgrade violla
03:12<gord>you changed the sources to testing?
03:12<dgodfather>changed to lenny
03:12<dgodfather>BTW can't find netinst for lenny
03:13<gord>what architecture?
03:13<dgodfather>32 bit
03:13<dgodfather>i386 i guess
03:13<dgodfather>it's an intel core 2 duo 8400
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03:14<gord>why not amd64?
03:14<gord>or do you need 32 bit?
03:14<dgodfather>well first because it's not amd
03:15<gord>common misconception
03:15<EmleyMoor>amd64 is not purely for AMDs
03:15<dgodfather>second because i am not sure there is full support for 64b bit architecture
03:15<EmleyMoor>Intel's EM64T family is part of amd64
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03:15<gord>It really depends on what you're doing on the machine
03:15<craigevil>dgodfather: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
03:15<EmleyMoor>dgodfather: What exactly are you not sure about?
03:15<dgodfather>gord: it's OK to install amd64 for intel core2duo?
03:15<gord>yes
03:16<gord>I'm running it :)
03:16<EmleyMoor>I'm going amd64 when I get my new machine in the next two weeks
03:16<gord>c2d e6300 @2.8
03:16<dgodfather>OH in that case i will use the amd 64, is there support for everything?
03:16<gord>what will you be doing on the machine?
03:17<dgodfather>well programming and day to day work especially
03:17<gord>if you do a lot of WINE then perhaps not, but for everyday computing you wont notice a difference
03:17<dgodfather>specially
03:17<dgodfather>drivers .etc is there good support? say for nvidia ?
03:17<dgodfather>though you use it now...
03:18<gord>the only real hassle (which isn't really that much of a hassle now) is using pluginwrapper for flash
03:18<dgodfather>i don't do wine at all
03:18<gord>I do, running an 8800 GTS
03:18<dgodfather>like me :)
03:18<gord>nvidia drivers installed without a hitch
03:18<dgodfather>without the s
03:18<EmleyMoor>There are ways to use wine on amd64 - but it being a thing I very rarely do, that wouldn't bother me
03:18<EmleyMoor>Flash might be a minor pain but I will burn that bridge when I come to it
03:18<gord>EmleyMoor, some 32-bit libraries or something?
03:18<dgodfather>gord: so you recommad i install the amd64 version
03:18<dgodfather>of lenny?
03:19<gord>EmleyMoor, it's incredibly easy
03:19<gord>dgodfather, I don't see why not.
03:19<EmleyMoor>gord: I'm sure it is. If it's difficult with Debian, it's usually because it needs to be :-)
03:19<dgodfather>well, how can i get a netinst cd for lenny, it takes for ever to download those 5 DVD images
03:20<gord>EmleyMoor, cp libflash.so <filename? ~/.mozilla/plugins && nspluginwrapper -i ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflash.so
03:20<gord>restart iceweasel. done
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03:21<EmleyMoor>Not having amd64 yet, I can hardly do it yet - but it sounds easy enough
03:21<gord>it's literally just those 2 commands, plus maybe an extraction from the tar file off the adobe site
03:21<blarson>dgodfather: install can be done from the first cd or dvd. The others just add extra packages that you can install over the internet.
03:22*EmleyMoor tries to resist referring to it as Mrs. Bristow
03:22<quitte>hi. I'm looking for away to enable the teacher at my school to connect to the pupils desktop with vnc. any idea how i would do that?
03:22<gord>dgodfather, use the netinst option if you want to download from a close mirror (i have a university within 3 km of my house)
03:22<craigevil>dgodfather: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-netinst.iso
03:22<gord>thanks craigevil
03:23<dgodfather>thanks craigevil
03:23<gord>dgodfather, there is also a torrent file, but I'm not sure it's worth it for the... ~100mb file?
03:23<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way I can tinker with a RAID and LVM setup before I have the hardware? (I have qemu - that may help)
03:23<dgodfather>gord: no it's fine i am downloadig craigevil link with wget
03:24<dgodfather>after install i will return here for installing the nvidia hopefully you will still be here
03:24<gord>EmleyMoor, Just familiarize yourself with how raid and lvm work first. learning beforehand would have helped a lot when I set up my fileserver
03:24<EmleyMoor>I've had plenty of time to do that, thanks to the money coming much later than expected
03:24<gord>dgodfather, I will not, unfortunately, but I'm sure some one here can help you. simply install your kernel .26 and it's source then run the nvidia installer
03:25<gord>you will have to kill X and your display manager too, some one here should be able to help with that
03:25<EmleyMoor>I intend to place my order on Thursday
03:25<gord>EmleyMoor, how much space you getting?
03:25<EmleyMoor>(then it's all a matter of a bit of paperwork and getting the parts sent from Lancashire)
03:25<EmleyMoor>500Gb
03:25<gord>500 raid or total?
03:26<EmleyMoor>That's what the RAID will come to. 1TB total
03:26<gord>4x500 drives?
03:26<dgodfather>gord: well the kernel with lenny is easier :)
03:26<EmleyMoor>4x250
03:26<dgodfather>it has 26 in the official repos
03:26<matth_>anybody ever played with NAS4220 from Icy Box ?
03:27<gord>dgodfather, very much so. I couldn't stand etch when I installed it. for a server, sure, I run my file server with etch, but it's too far behind for desktop use
03:27<dgodfather>do you say i should install like the wiki suggests or the official driver?
03:27<matth_>read it's a fully linux hackable NAS device
03:27<gord>4x250... no redundant space?
03:28<EmleyMoor>Um... I think I have misunderstood some of the terms you were asking in
03:28<EmleyMoor>500 usable space, 2 failure resilient
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03:28<info>how i can install ubuntu from usb stick?????
03:28<gord>EmleyMoor, ah, that makes sense
03:29<craigevil>try asking in @ubuntu on freenode
03:29<matth_>info: try #ubuntu maybe
03:29<gord>I thought you were using 1TB usable space
03:29<gord>in which case using raid would be pointless
03:29<matth_>that being said it is quite easy to test and install debian with debian-live :)
03:29<info>can you send me a link please
03:29<matth_>from a usb stick of course and a MoBo that support booting off that devices
03:29<EmleyMoor>I wouldn't bother with simple striping etc...
03:30<gord>I wouldn't mind grabbing a couple more 500 drives to make a raid on my server (I'm running 2x500 without any backups) 1 drive fails the volume fails.. but I live life on the edge
03:31<gord>Running the actual OS off a usb stick is nice on lowering hdd wear
03:31<EmleyMoor>I've been running without redundancy for years - and luckily had no serious failures
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03:32<gord>/dev/sdd1 464M 437M 2.3M 100% /
03:32<gord>I've only had 1 hard drive ever crap out, and it was about 7 years old
03:33<EmleyMoor>I've had a few crap out but never on a Debian box (unless you count the one that had Windows on it originally)
03:33<gord>Windows is notorious for it's excessive use of hardware.
03:34<EmleyMoor>Crapouts since have been supplementary drives with nothing of any consequence on
03:34<matth_>for debian, official images are here : http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/current/
03:35<gord>yea, unfortunately if I lose my LVM volume all my data is gone... perhaps I should invest in some backup space
03:35<matth_>chosse architecture and media type (e.g usb-hdd) dd the image into the stick, reboot
03:35<gord>02:31:54 up 105 days, 3:45, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
03:35<matth_>booting syslinux with "installgui" does the deed
03:35<gord>it doesn't do all that much
03:37<matth_>info: was for you, if you are still interested in testing/installing debian off an usb stick
03:38<dgodfather>gord, the wiki said it's meant for serge or etch not lenny
03:39<gord>that method?
03:39<gord>or the nvidia installer
03:39<EmleyMoor>I had one "friend" at work who liked decent operating systems but insisted Windows was the best for desktop
03:39<gord>the nvidia installer should work on pretty much anything. Linux is Linux.
03:39<EmleyMoor>dgodfather: I backported nvidia drivers from sid to lenny
03:39<EmleyMoor>(not sure if that would work for you)
03:40<dgodfather>EmleyMoor: well i want to try install the official driver from nvidia but they say it is problematic if you install a new kernel
03:40<dgodfather>or compile the current one
03:40<gord>EmleyMoor, if you're willing to lead him through that it would probably be less hassle than killing x and his display manager, leaving him wading around in console.
03:40<gord>trying to install with the nvidia installer can be tricky if you're not familiar with the terminal
03:41<dgodfather>i don't care being in a console for restarting x
03:41<gord>in that case, either way would work
03:41<dgodfather>gord: i am fine with terminal as long as i am guided through
03:41<gord>dgodfather, the problem is your irc will go down with x
03:42<EmleyMoor>!tell dgodfather about nvidia_post_etch
03:42<dgodfather>but x isn't needed for irc connection if i use irssi
03:42<dgodfather>for example
03:43<EmleyMoor>That's havng added a source line for sid
03:43<EmleyMoor>!tell dgodfather about ssb
03:44<dgodfather>EmleyMoor: i tried that before and it didn't work, but then again it was after my machine was already a mess
03:44<dgodfather>well i will begin by installing the lenny for now
03:45<dgodfather>and then come back for the second round :)
03:47<gord>I know for sure the nvidia installer works
03:47<gord>but I'm sure EmleyMoor can help with the backports install, which could be easier
03:48<dgodfather>gord: well then after the install of lenny i shell return and consult you guys.
03:48<gord>I'm rather pleased with fluxbox. I was unsure of it... http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop2jc8.jpg
03:48<gord>ok, good luck
03:48<dgodfather>i want to start doing things carefully since debian is sensitive for users
03:48<dgodfather>gord: 10x
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03:59<gord>hmm... time to sleep
03:59<gord>night all
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04:49<quitte>is it possible to make memtest86 log to a machine on the lan?
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04:51<rajeshsr>hi
04:51<rajeshsr>Can any1 help me?
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04:51<EmleyMoor>!tell rajeshsr about ask
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04:51<rajeshsr>when I do, tried apt-get update, I got an the following error
04:52<rajeshsr>0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] [Connecting to security.debian.o
04:52<rajeshsr>It is assuming some inavlid IP!
04:52<weasel>your dns is wrong.
04:52<rajeshsr>nslookup also fails in that case
04:52<rajeshsr>But iceweasel goes to the site properly
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04:53<rajeshsr>I mean to ftp.us.debain.org
04:53<rajeshsr>Ice weasel is able to go
04:53<rajeshsr>But nslookup fails
04:53<rajeshsr>and apt-get update also fails!
04:53<EmleyMoor>Is iceweasel set up to use a proxy?
04:54<rajeshsr>Now am using xchat! Even there, if I want to connect to an irc channel, I had to nslookup the ip address. Giving host name assumes the same 1.0.0.0
04:54<rajeshsr>I mean I give ip address to get to this channel!
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04:56<rajeshsr>hi
04:56<rajeshsr>suddenly my connection got diconnected!
04:56<quitte>rajeshsr: could you explain the network you are in. sounds pretty restricted. is it a school?
04:57<rajeshsr>No! My own desktop
04:57<rajeshsr>computer
04:57<rajeshsr>at home
04:57<rajeshsr>Actually in the beginning my Iceweasel loaded site only thro' Ip address. I read in some blog to diable IPv6
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04:57<quitte>rajeshsr: does nslookup work on other ips?
04:57<thijs>no try dig
04:58<thijs>example:
04:58<rajeshsr>yep, even to come to this channel I nslookup the irc server
04:58<thijs>dig XM cafelinux.com
04:58<thijs>!dig
04:58<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all.
04:59<thijs>!dnsutils
04:59<quitte>thijs: why do you want him to use some random tool for a task he already knows how to do?
04:59<quitte>or her
04:59<EmleyMoor>Presumably because the output may indicate where the problem is
05:00<quitte>unlikely as he just joind
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05:00<EmleyMoor>Proving what?
05:01<quitte>he can notknow the quesion
05:01<EmleyMoor>He rejoined after falling off before
05:01<rajeshsr>any idea, about what is happening! Iceweasel recognizes sites now, by ip address! For that I had to disable IPv6. But xchat doesn't recognise irc servers by host name, I had to nslookup and give the ip address using /server ipaddress to connect to any irc server, inclusing this one!
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05:01<rajeshsr>And apt-get update assumed some garbage ip address fo the ftp server.
05:01<cogwheel>EmleyMoor, he wasn't here when he asked.
05:02<EmleyMoor>Too many hes
05:02<cogwheel>rajeshsr, pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf .
05:02<weasel>also, getent hosts ftp.debian.org
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05:03<rajeshsr>Uh, I completely misplace what I said! Icewease is able to recognize host name now, after disabling IPv6! xchat is able to recognize only IP!
05:03<rajeshsr>Thats the summary of problem I face!
05:04<rajeshsr>nameserver 192.168.1.1
05:04<rajeshsr>nameserver 192.168.1.1
05:04<rajeshsr>thats resolv.conf content
05:04<EmleyMoor>And is there a nameserver running at that address?
05:04<thijs>test it with nc
05:04<quitte>rajeshsr: what's your ip?
05:04<thijs>nc ip 53
05:05<thijs>and check it there is a search
05:05<rajeshsr>It is dhcp based..
05:05<rajeshsr>My ip address
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05:05<rajeshsr>Public ip address is dhcp based, I mean..
05:05<thijs>debian version etc?
05:05<quitte>rajeshsr: your computers ip address on the local lan is?
05:06<thijs>lokale not?
05:06<rajeshsr>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:16:76:86:EE:87
05:06<rajeshsr> inet addr:192.168.1.2 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
05:06<rajeshsr> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
05:06<rajeshsr> RX packets:5643 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
05:06<rajeshsr> TX packets:5361 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
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05:06<cogwheel>!pastebin
05:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:06<thijs>nano /etc/resolv.conf and edit :D
05:06<quitte>thijs: are you helping?
05:06<rajeshsr>dpkg, oh, thanks!
05:06<dpkg>rajeshsr: you're welcome
05:07<rajeshsr>I dunno abt that!
05:07<rajeshsr> inet addr:192.168.1.2 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
05:07<thijs>looks like a wron dhcpd server config
05:07<rajeshsr>tahts the o/p I get for ifconfig
05:07<rajeshsr>in eth0
05:07<cogwheel>try opendns?
05:07<rajeshsr>block
05:07<thijs>192.168.1.2 is your ip
05:07<thijs>lokale
05:07<quitte>rajeshsr: what kind of router connects you to the net?
05:07<rajeshsr>thijs, My local IP address is
05:08<rajeshsr>that only
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05:08<rajeshsr>quitte, U mean?
05:08<thijs>check your router and dhcp config
05:08<quitte>rajeshsr: what box is connected between your computer and the internet?
05:08<rajeshsr>modem
05:09<thijs>yes
05:09<cogwheel>!u
05:09<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
05:09<thijs>192.168.1.1
05:09<cogwheel>heh..
05:09<thijs>is your router
05:09<thijs>is think
05:09<thijs>open firefox and go to 192.168.1.1
05:09<thijs>or try telnet 192.168.1.1
05:09<thijs>in your terminal / cli
05:10<thijs>aka what is your debian version
05:10<rajeshsr>thijs, yeah it takes me to login page.
05:10<rajeshsr>guess u are right
05:10<thijs>oke so 192.168.1.1 is your router
05:11<rajeshsr>thijs, BTW, how u guessed that? Based on resolv.conf?
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05:11<thijs>simple:
05:11<thijs>192.168.1.2 is your ip
05:11<thijs>192.168.1.1 is the first network number
05:11<rajeshsr>yep, so usually 1 minus the last byte is the router?
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05:12<thijs>yes
05:12<thijs>mostly
05:12<rajeshsr>oh, thanks, what am I tod now?
05:12<rajeshsr>I have logged in.
05:12<thijs>what is your extly
05:12<thijs>problem
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05:12<thijs>no internet connection
05:12<thijs>or no dns
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05:13<EmleyMoor>He obviously has an Internet connection
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05:13<zebralinux>thijs, can u do a # cat /etc/resolv.conf
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05:13<thijs>sure
05:14<rajeshsr>actually what happened at first when I installed Debian, a month back was that, Iceweasel loaded only based on IP address. I read in some blog that IPv6 needs to be disabled. So i did it. after that Iceweasel began to load based on hostnames as well.
05:14<rajeshsr>nslookup worked from the beginning, and even now it works
05:14<thijs>laptop:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
05:14<thijs>search lokaal
05:14<thijs>nameserver 10.0.0.138
05:14<EmleyMoor>Coincidence perhaps?
05:14<thijs>so 10.0.0.138 is my dns and router
05:14<cahoot>rajeshsr: try the info in /msg dpkg fixresolvconf
05:15<thijs>or try dhclient eth0
05:15<thijs>as root
05:15<zebralinux>thijs, Ok it points to your router
05:15<rajeshsr>cahoot, what, I don't get u.
05:15<rajeshsr>Is that a command?
05:15<thijs>yes sorry
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05:15<thijs>most debian or linux/unix experts
05:15<cahoot>rajeshsr: that command would let the channel bot msg you some info
05:16<thijs>so op a terminal
05:16<rajeshsr>am sorry, am new to this whole IRC! can u explain a little more?
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05:16<thijs>sudo su -
05:16<thijs>just type it
05:16<thijs>msg
05:16<thijs>with a /
05:16<thijs>with a /msg
05:17<thijs>!msg dpkg fixresolv.conf
05:17<cogwheel>!tell rajeshsr about fixresolv.conf
05:17<cogwheel>!tell rajeshsr about fixresolvconf
05:17<cogwheel>;)
05:18<rajeshsr>cogwheel, thanks!
05:18<rajeshsr>but what use is that?
05:18<rajeshsr>I don't still get it! sorry for being so dumb!
05:18<thijs>to fix the reslov.conf file
05:19<rajeshsr>I said nslookup works well..
05:19<thijs>oke there step by step
05:19<rajeshsr>Only for that ftp server of debian it fails
05:19<thijs>ow oke
05:19<thijs>url plz
05:19<thijs>apt-get update
05:19<thijs>and paste it
05:20<rajeshsr>Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org sarge Release.gpg
05:20<rajeshsr> Could not connect to ftp.us.debian.org:21 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
05:20<rajeshsr>this is how it begins..
05:20<thijs>oke werd
05:20<zebralinux>maybe that perticular server is down then
05:20<rajeshsr>nope, I have been facing this problem a lot of times!
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05:21<rajeshsr>Iceweasel s able to go to that site with that given host name
05:21<thijs>humm.. take a good looke
05:21<thijs>the debian server reslove on 1.0.0.0
05:21<rajeshsr>nslookup fails for that ftp site
05:21<cogwheel>hmm..
05:21<rajeshsr>yep, it resolves to that ip
05:21<thijs>not good he :D
05:21<stevecotton>What router are you using?
05:22<cogwheel>rajeshsr, you could do this: sed -i s/ftp.us.debian.org/35.9.37.225/g /etc/apt/sources.list
05:22<rajeshsr>even for xchat, I had to give /server IP address to connect to this, irc server
05:22<stevecotton>And what does "host -t AAAA ftp.us.debian.org" return?
05:22<rajeshsr>nslookup works in that case and gives me ip address
05:22<cogwheel>hm.. then that won't fix the core problem
05:22<rajeshsr>cogwheel, what is that?
05:23<cogwheel>rajeshsr, a command to change the hostnames into ips in your sources.list
05:23<thijs>AAAA = ipv6
05:23<thijs>dudes
05:23<rajeshsr>cogwheel, ok
05:23<cogwheel>(ye has to do apt-get update to take changes into effect. but it won't fix the core problem.)
05:23<thijs>just try a new dhcpd resolve
05:24<thijs>try
05:24<rajeshsr>I wonder how iceweasel is able to resolve that ftp server by hostname!
05:24<thijs>whoami
05:24<rajeshsr>but even nslookup fails!
05:24<thijs>and past it
05:24<thijs>is a commando
05:24<cogwheel>hahahah
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05:24<rajeshsr>I am logged in as root, now!
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05:24<rajeshsr>it display root
05:24<rajeshsr>thats all
05:24<thijs>oke good good
05:24<thijs>try dhclient eth0
05:24<thijs>dhclient eth0
05:24<thijs>on the cli
05:24<rajeshsr>Now am I clera bt the problem I face?
05:24<rajeshsr>*clear
05:25<stevecotton>Some "helpful" routers return IPv4 replies to IPv6 queries, thus breaking DNS. Thus my question about what an IPv6 query returns (the "AAAA" thing).
05:25<zebralinux> nslookup ftp.us.debian.org
05:25<zebralinux>instead of: nslookup ftp://ftp.us.debian.org
05:26<rajeshsr>zebralinux, cool that works!
05:26<rajeshsr>ir displays ip address now
05:26<stevecotton>Getting a "1.0.0.0" address was a problem that was being reported in the same forums as the "IPv4 reply to IPv6 query" bug.
05:26<rajeshsr>stevecotton, is that message to me?
05:26<rajeshsr>U mean to say that IPv6 disabling is the problem?
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05:27<stevecotton>If "host -t AAAA ftp.us.debian.org" returns "64.50.236.52" then your router is likely the problem.
05:28<thijs>try lsmod on the terminal
05:28<thijs>lsmod |grep ipv6
05:28<wnd>he's saying that some routers mistreat ipv6 queries. he tried to help you to find out if your router is misbehaving like that. he was also explaining his suggestion to thijs.
05:28<thijs>!dpkg disable ipv6
05:28<thijs>!dpkg ipv6
05:28<dpkg>somebody said ipv6 was at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/
05:28<thijs>!dpkg lsmod
05:29<rajeshsr>thijs, lsmod | grep ipv6 displays nothing
05:30<thijs>no ipv6 enable so good
05:30<thijs>try dhclient eth0
05:30<thijs>or reboot 1 more times
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05:30<rajeshsr>I tried: debian:~# host -t AAAA ftp.us.debian.org
05:31<rajeshsr>invalid ancount after AAAA query for ftp.us.debian.org
05:31<rajeshsr>ftp.us.debian.org AAAA record not found, no recovery
05:31<rajeshsr>thats the o/p I get
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05:33<rajeshsr>can any1 explain what is that host command doing? particulary what does "AAAA" type means?
05:33<cogwheel>[12:23:13] <thijs> AAAA = ipv6
05:33<EmleyMoor>AAAA are meant to translate hostnames to ipv6 addresses
05:33<EmleyMoor>(like A do for ipv4)
05:34<rajeshsr>oh, ok
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05:34<rajeshsr>Anyone able to figure out what is happening?
05:34<rajeshsr>Am I clear abt my description of my problem?
05:34<cogwheel>try opendns?
05:35<rajeshsr>cogwheel, what is that?
05:35<stevecotton>I haven't met the "invalid ancount" error with the crap router that I had, but googling it suggests a weird router.
05:35<cogwheel>!opendns
05:35<dpkg>opendns is, like, a service online that allows faster and more secure dns addresses so that people can browse the internet safer and faster, or http://www.opendns.com
05:35<cogwheel>basically, a public dns server.
05:35<quitte>rajeshsr: the problem most likely is your "modem". please tell us the brand and model.
05:35<stevecotton>Use your ISP's nameservers, instead of the one that's built in to your router.
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05:36<rajeshsr>My modem is Huawei WA1003A
05:36<rajeshsr>stevecotton, k, will try that!
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05:37<rajeshsr>When I had fedora in my system, the resolv.conf entry I had was the nameserver of my ISP. I faced no problem with yum!
05:37<rajeshsr>stevecotton, May be you are right.
05:37<rajeshsr>lemme try that also.
05:38<EmleyMoor>Using the nameserver of your ISP ought to work
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05:38<rajeshsr>EmleyMoor, does that mean the dns of my router is flawn?
05:38<quitte>rajeshsr: is it connected via usb?
05:39<rajeshsr>nope
05:39<zebralinux>A nameserver isnt "build in" in a router
05:39<rajeshsr>quitte, nope
05:39<EmleyMoor>A router typically acts as a proxy for DNS, if at all...
05:39<zebralinux>the router should have same nameservers as your computer does
05:39<rajeshsr>ok
05:39<EmleyMoor>The router itself would need to know where to send requests on to
05:40<rajeshsr>EmleyMoor, so what is happening with the present nameserver entry at resolv.conf..
05:40<rajeshsr>?
05:40<EmleyMoor>Your computer asks the router.
05:40<stevecotton>The routers that do NAT and DHCP (I'm assuming a typical home ADSL / cable setup) tend to have a forwarding nameserver in them too.
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05:41<rajeshsr>stevecotton, so router send the request to some nameserver, it knows?
05:41<quitte>rajeshsr: your isp is BSNL?
05:41<rajeshsr>quitte, yep!
05:41<rajeshsr>exatly
05:42<rajeshsr>*exactly
05:42<cq_>hello, question: Ijust installed inspircd, and I can access it from the same machine with LOCALHOST, but not from another machine on teh network... I set the IPtables to allow connections to the port, but it's still refusing connections
05:42<quitte>rajeshsr: ok. then thispage should help:http://honeytech.wordpress.com/2007/04/12/how-to-connect-broadband-in-ubuntu/
05:42<quitte>rajeshsr: read it all before doing anything
05:44<stevecotton>rajeshsr: (assuming typical ADSL / cable again) - when the router is connected to the internet it does DHCP and finds out the ISP's nameservers; when your computer is connected to the router it (the computer) does DHCP and finds the router is its nameserver.
05:45<rajeshsr>stevecotton, so ultimately in order to resolve hostname the request goes to ISP nameserver.
05:46<rajeshsr>so present entry in resolv.conf is also no problem?
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05:48<parecen>cq_: when you disable your iptables ruleset, can clients connect?
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05:48<cq_>parecen- noone can connect, then I added the allow ruleset for the port
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05:49<cq_>and they still can't connect... do I need to restart inetd or something?
05:49<Lethalman>cq_, maybe your ircd is only listening on localhost and not on *
05:49<parecen>cq_: is your ircd binding to any other interface than loopback?
05:49<cq_>how do I see that?
05:49<parecen>cq_: in the config
05:49<Lethalman>cq_, in its configuration file i guess
05:49<Lethalman>rotfl
05:50<Lethalman>i give up
05:50<cq_>ah, netstat -l shows it just listening on localhost
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05:50<parecen>cq_: forget about netstat. check your config
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05:52<EmleyMoor>Would a /tmp filesystem contain anything that might be "essential", or cause trouble if the filesystem went down?
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05:53<cq_>its binding to 127.0.0.1 ...
05:53<parecen>EmleyMoor: you could check with lsof what applications access it
05:53<EmleyMoor>cq_: And not to any other address? That would explain it
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05:53<EmleyMoor>parecen: We're talking "might", not "currently are" here...
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05:54<parecen>EmleyMoor: are we? well, then we can make wild guesses :)
05:54<cq_>what else should it bind to?
05:54<EmleyMoor>I'm on about "in general terms" - does anything "for the time being essential" get written there?
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05:55<parecen>cq_: if you want localnet to be able to connect, then the IP of your localnet interface
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05:55<MadHag>first time with epic4
05:56<parecen>EmleyMoor: for gnome and other gui applications it could be essential, but its hard to say in general
05:57<MadHag>what is?
05:57<EmleyMoor>Ah, a "could be" is good enough for me... putting it on RAID0 is a bad idea then
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05:58<EmleyMoor>(my /scratch partition will be going on RAID0, probably)
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06:00<rajeshsr>cool, it got fixed after I added my ISP nameserver
06:00<rajeshsr>thank u all
06:02<stevecotton>:)
06:03<cq_>ok, got it working... was the bind in teh configfile, thanks for the help
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06:06<rajeshsr>cool! xchat works too, without needing IP!
06:07<rajeshsr>any1 can explain what cud have happened?
06:07<rajeshsr>I mean how does changing to ISP namserver fix everything!
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06:07<EmleyMoor>rajeshsr: By cutting out a middleman who was giving you wrong information
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06:08<rajeshsr>if router itself gonna finally get its request resolved by sending it to ISP nameserver, right?
06:09<parecen>rajeshsr: if you specify a local nameserver it has to cache or forward DNS requests to the nameserver of your ISP
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06:10<rajeshsr>parecen, thats what. If it is going to finally give the request to ISP namserver and get it resolved, what is the need to explicitly do it by adding an entry to resolv.conf
06:11<rajeshsr>the important thing to note is iceweasel works with the past nameserver entry itself
06:11<rajeshsr>nslookup too
06:11<EmleyMoor>rajeshsr: Because it's obviously not doing it right
06:11<rajeshsr>works
06:11<rajeshsr>only synaptic and xchat like application fails..
06:11<rajeshsr>so they seem to use some weird methods in order to resolve ip?
06:12<EmleyMoor>More likely iceweasel doew
06:12<EmleyMoor>does
06:12<EmleyMoor>The others certainly use conventional methods
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06:12<rajeshsr>nslookup works too! I mean it is able to resolve ip
06:12<quitte>or there is some magic going on on the router that redirects all http traffic to a proxy?
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06:12<quitte>something weird on the router in any case
06:13<rajeshsr>EmleyMoor, nslookup and iceweasel works! tahts the important point here!
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06:14<EmleyMoor>No, other stuff doesn't, THAT'S the important point
06:14<rajeshsr>and nslookup wud use, conventional methods only!
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06:14<rajeshsr>EmleyMoor, :)
06:15<EmleyMoor>If what you're now using breaks stuff, we'd be interested
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06:25<stevecotton><rajeshsr> I read in some blog that IPv6 needs to be disabled. So i did it. after that Iceweasel began to load based on hostnames as well.
06:25<stevecotton>That's how I recognised the router bug. That option in Iceweasel makes it only ask for IPv4 addresses, not IPv6 ones.
06:26<rajeshsr>stevecotton, so what do u inferr?
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06:27<rajeshsr>U mean that router is flawn, with dns lookups?
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06:27<stevecotton>Yes - it seems your router misbehaves if asked to look up an IPv6 address.
06:28<rajeshsr>stevecotton, does that mean xchat looks up an IPv6 by default?
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06:31<stevecotton>Most applications will use a shared tool to look up IP addresses, and it tries IPv6 before IPv4. Note that the request to look up an IPv6 address can be sent over normal IPv4.
06:34<stevecotton>But an application that uses the common tool has to wait for the look-up to finish before doing anything else. So some applications like Iceweasel include their own. [this is inaccurate but generally true]
06:35<rajeshsr>stevecotton, thanks
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06:38<eliteforce>hey guys, were can I find information about how to create debian packages and customize existing ones (e.g. nv drivers, kernel, ..)?
06:44<rajeshsr>eliteforce, Google?
06:44<stevecotton>!nmg
06:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>
06:45<eliteforce>stevecotton: thank you
06:45<stevecotton>rajeshsr's suggestion was better :)
06:46<rajeshsr>stevecotton, I am new to this whole IRC thing as I mentioned before. is dpkg even a use? looks like an automated response system, right?
06:46<rajeshsr>*user
06:46<eliteforce>well, I found some short howtos from 2002-05..
06:47<eliteforce>rajeshsr: it's called a bot
06:47<rajeshsr>eliteforce, oh ok, thanks
06:47<eliteforce>rajeshsr: Google: irc bot :P
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06:48<rajeshsr>eliteforce, ok, was expecting this! :)
06:48<vrivett>does anyone have experience with Virtual Box?
06:49<eliteforce>vrivett: a bit, though not on *nix systems
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06:51<eliteforce>stevecotton: but actually, the nm guide looks quite nice
06:52<vrivett>on vbox if you have remote desktop support enabled you should be able to install the OS remotely and get access to the machine. how do you connect to it as my RDP client cannot connect
06:52<vrivett>@eliteforce on vbox if you have remote desktop support enabled you should be able to install the OS remotely and get access to the machine. how do you connect to it as my RDP client cannot connect
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06:55<eliteforce>vrivett: hmm what port are you using
06:56<eliteforce>vrivett: to connect
06:56<vrivett>4321
06:57<rajeshsr>eliteforce, is the command we cud give to bots documented somewhere?
06:57<eliteforce>vrivett: I think the default is 3389, see VBoxManage manpage or end user manual found on the homepage
06:57<vrivett>eliteforce II am using the linux terminal server client and I enter this address as the server address "localhost:4321"
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06:58<eliteforce>vrivett: you need a (V)RDP client
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06:58<vrivett>eliteforce can you suggest one?
06:59<vrivett>eliteforce I have searched for the last 6 hours to get this working
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06:59<knoppix__>HI
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07:00<eliteforce>vrivett: xrdp, rdesktop .. no idea
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07:05<vrivett>eliteforce rdesktop from shell prompt works a treat....thanks heaps
07:05<eliteforce>vrivett: you're welcome
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07:07<rajeshsr>wiki.debian.org is that loading for anyone?
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07:07<pitu__>hi all please use tilda someone here ?
07:07<pitu__>i need som config_0 file :/
07:08<eliteforce>rajeshsr: not right now
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07:08<rajeshsr>eliteforce, thanks
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07:12<eddieB_>i use a perl script to take thumbnail snapshots. there are always to videos in each folder. is there a way i can make it take snapshots of both videos instead of doing it separately?
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07:13<torrr>how to boot from raid 5?
07:14<EmleyMoor>torrr: /boot can't be on raid 5
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07:14<EmleyMoor>(as far as I am aware, anyway)
07:15<torrr>suppose I have 3 disks and I want raid 5
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07:15<EmleyMoor>Have part of it RAID1 for boot and the rest RAID5
07:15<abrotman>lilo can boot from swraid5 IIRC
07:15<torrr>can software raid be over partitions?
07:16<EmleyMoor>torrr: You can use LVM to partition a RAID
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07:17<EmleyMoor>You can also have more than one RAID physical partition on a disk
07:18<EmleyMoor>(that answers two different perspectives of the same question)
07:18<abrotman>or maybe that was /boot/ on lvm with lilo
07:18<torrr>EmleyMoor, OK
07:18<EmleyMoor>I haven't really given much thought to the boot loader
07:18<eddieB_>i use a perl script to take thumbnail snapshots. there are always two videos in each folder. is there a way i can have it take snapshots of both videos instead of doing it separately?
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07:21<deximat>hi
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07:22<deximat>Im new to linux... right now Im installing debian on my virtual box. If I like it, how can I extract files so I dont need to download again (mini cd version), im using virtual box
07:23<deximat>some big files for example x.org and kde
07:23<deximat>thanks
07:25<mobil-7k>what files do you want to extract, debs?
07:25<eliteforce>deximat: you find them in /var/cache/apt/
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07:26<eliteforce>deximat: /var/cache/apt/archives/ actually :)
07:26<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to attach four hard disks and a CD (and boot from the latter) to qemu without resorting to SCSI?
07:26<info>sry i have a question in my installation i have to make a hardware detect else i cant mount my hda3
07:26<EmleyMoor>Failing that, is there a way to install lenny booting from a floppy?
07:27<info>how can i make this its not descibed in the howto
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07:27<EmleyMoor>info: I don't actually understand your problem - what's happening when you try to mount hda3?
07:28<info>it says that /dev/hda3 doesnt exists
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07:28<EmleyMoor>What's the partition table of hda?
07:28<eliteforce>info: do a fdisk -l /dev/hda
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07:29<info>how i can call partition table via console
07:29<EmleyMoor>fdisk -l /dev/hda
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07:30<info>it gave me fdisk not found its in the installation shel
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07:31<eliteforce>info: the installer has included a partitioning program..
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07:32<info>yes i wanna detect my hda here or something befor i can mount it
07:33<eliteforce>info: so the installer fails to detect your harddisc?
07:33<eliteforce>*hard disk uwww
07:33<info>yep i wanna make this --->
07:34<info>mount -t vfat /dev/hda3 /cdrom and there is standing befor
07:34<info>This was a bit tricky until I got the hang of it. You need to have the hardware detection detect your hda before you can mount it! But just wait until it complains about a missing CD-ROM, then don't try to helpfully tell it where to look. Just accept the dialog where it says that this stage failed, then switch over to the virtual console and mount -t vfat /dev/hda3 /cdrom. (I skipped the gyrations with /dev/cdroms, they don't seem to be necessary.)
07:34<deximat>tnx, I was away
07:35<EmleyMoor>Why do you want to mount it there?
07:35<info>in cdrom i mounted the thngs of my usb stick on which i put the ubuntu image for a boot from usb stick
07:36<info>because it gave me the problem that my cdrom is not in or something
07:36<EmleyMoor>What has this thing got to do with CDROMs?
07:36<info>in this step : mount -t vfat /dev/hda3 /cdrom does i put the things of my hda3 in cdrom?
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07:36<EmleyMoor>At least in theory. I am still puzzled about why
07:37<info>because it gabve me in the installation the problem that it cant take informations of my cdrom and i have no cdrom just usb
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07:37<EmleyMoor>What *should* be in cdrom?
07:37<enouf>info: is your hardware very new? or very old?
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07:38<info>its a black box of amd
07:38<enouf>info: huh?
07:38<info>just have usb devices
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07:38<info>maybe not so old
07:39<eliteforce>isn't it possible to boot from usb?
07:40<info>i did this and im already in installation
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07:41<info>look when it tried to ask me which language i prefere then i switched to second console
07:41<EmleyMoor>info: Did something go wrong when you got that far?
07:42<info>yes it sais
07:42<EmleyMoor>Why did you switch to second console?
07:42<info>theat it complains about missing cdrom
07:42<enouf>!usbinstall
07:42<info>ehm i made a cdrom directory like this --> mkdir /cdrom
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07:43<info>and a mk dir dev/cdrom
07:43<info>then i b
07:43<EmleyMoor>info: Why did you do that? What exactly happened in first console?
07:43<enouf>!usb install
07:43<dpkg>i guess usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian)
07:43<info>put the things of my usb stick on cdrom0 which is on /dev/cdrom
07:43*fxiny thinks a "missing cdrom" error is the last riia trick
07:43<info>yep
07:44<eliteforce>riia?
07:44<enouf>fxiny: !
07:44<enouf>RIAA
07:44<fxiny>enouf: heheheh
07:44<enouf>:-p
07:44<fxiny>enouf: i was juat reading sgi moving to a decent licence
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07:46<zebralinux>anyone good at RAM technology ?
07:46<info>cant understand if mounted the device with all informations in /cdrom
07:46<zebralinux>sdram and ddram
07:46<info>and its still complaining -.-
07:47<enouf>zebralinux: what do you want to know?
07:47<zebralinux>if the current ram is DDR333
07:47<enouf>zebralinux: ddr-ram is a form of sd-ram
07:47<abrotman>maybe you should wait for the whole question
07:47<zebralinux>how do i know it will support DDR400 ?
07:48<abrotman>zebralinux: you check your mobo specs
07:48<enouf>just double-data-rate - on the clock up/down cycle
07:48<zebralinux>mobo ?
07:48<abrotman>motherboard
07:48<zebralinux>ok i dont have, im helping this chikc fasten up her computer
07:48<abrotman>so use google
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07:48<abrotman>this has nothing to do with Debian
07:49<enouf>zebralinux: you can put ddr400 in ddr333 PCs, it'll just run slower if other 333 are there
07:49<zebralinux>ok
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07:49<abrotman>or the motherboard will freak out and refuse to boot
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07:49<eliteforce>haha
07:50<eliteforce>abrotman: nah, don't think so
07:50<riffer>hi. does anybody know when nautilus 2.22.5.1-1 will move from experimental to sid? or why it is delaying..
07:50<eliteforce>except it's an ASUS board :P
07:50<abrotman>riffer: it's waiting for lenny to release
07:51<zebralinux>so pure DDR400 on 2 slots will automatically run at 133 if thats the maximum then
07:51<riffer>so lenny won't have nautilus 2.22 ?
07:51<abrotman>zebralinux: ask ##hardware on irc.oftc.net
07:51<abrotman>erm
07:51<enouf>zebralinux: it should run at 200MHz
07:51<abrotman>zebralinux: ask ##hardware on irc.freenode.net
07:51<zebralinux>ok
07:52<abrotman>riffer: lenny currently has 2.20.x
07:52<zebralinux>how to connect via this console
07:52<riffer>abrotman : thanx!
07:53<enouf>zebralinux: but yes, if the max speed is slower because of motherboard design and chipset lacking ability it'll just run slower
07:53<eliteforce>zebralinux: /connect, /join, /help ..
07:54<abrotman>zebralinux: /server irc.freenode.net .. then /j ##hardware
07:54<zebralinux>ok cool. so ill buy 2 DDR400 just in case
07:54<abrotman>zebralinux: ask ##hardware on irc.freenode.net
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07:57<eliteforce>argh can't wait for my new notebook - with DDR3 and 1066MHz hahaha
07:57<enouf>what silly misnomers ...
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07:58<eliteforce>enouf: well, it's all about marketing
07:59<enouf>don't we know it
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08:14<variable>how to chack what partition do i have?
08:14<fxiny>fdisk -l
08:15<variable>i know this ;]
08:15<variable>i need to see with partition size
08:15<fxiny>man parted
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08:21<fxiny>they fear it :P
08:23<info>how i can detect my hda via consol -.-
08:23<info>:/
08:23<info>its nothing written in fstab
08:24<fxiny>df
08:24<fxiny>oops
08:24<weasel>info: that probably depends on what "detect my hda" means
08:24<info>This was a bit tricky until I got the hang of it. You need to have the hardware detection detect your hda before you can mount it! But just wait until it complains about a missing CD-ROM, then don't try to helpfully tell it where to look. Just accept the dialog where it says that this stage failed, then switch over to the virtual console and mount -t vfat /dev/hda3 /cdrom. (I skipped the gyrations with /dev/cdroms, they don't seem to be necessary.)
08:25<fxiny>vfat ?
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08:25<info>yeah the partitition of my usb was vfat
08:26<fxiny>why you mounting it on the cdrom mountpoint ?
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08:27<fxiny>shoudn't be on /media/usb ?
08:27<info>no it have to read from cdrom
08:28<info>doesnt know why he made it hda on cdrom in hda is nothing
08:29<info>but in cdrom is the iso and cdrom is the mountpoint with the fat filesystem
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08:30<info>but how can i detect my hda now
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08:44<trash45>Is it possible to use OpenJDK as a plugin in Iceweasel in Lenny ?
08:45<variable>trash45, try it ;]
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08:45<abrotman>apt-cache search icedtea
08:46<trash45>I tried "icedtea-gcjwebplugin" with OpenJDK but it don't seems to work...
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08:53<Tamas>Hi! I downloaded debian-test dvd iso #1; md5 sum is ok; I burned the dvd and tried to install; The base system could not be installed, I got the message "no installable cd-rom"; I check the dvd: The "integrity test was successful. The CD-ROM is valid."; after that the dvd can not be mounted again, I can not get back to the installation menu. Any suggestion? Thanks in advance!
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08:58<info>OKAY forget usb lol is it easy to burn a bootable cd with linux server edition
08:58<simonrvn>linux server edition?
08:59<info>ubuntu server 7.10
08:59<abrotman>ask #ubuntu
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09:13<inquisitor>Hi. Can somebody help me with Google repository?
09:15<avtobiff>inquisitor, welcome to #debian. what kind of help did you have in mind. google's code hosting use subversion
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09:19<inquisitor>avtobiff, I try to add Google repository. But when I add signing key, using wget, console output is "gpg: No valid OpenPGP data found"
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09:21<craigevil>theres only 2 apps in the Google repo, Google desktop and Picasa neither are worth using so why bother
09:21<datex>sorry, can i install photoshop in Debian? anyone tried?
09:22<craigevil>PS works just fine in wine
09:22<avu>datex, see the wine app db for how to run certain windows applications on linux using wine
09:22<datex>@craigevil: out of the box? just wine normal install?
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09:22<craigevil>look on winehq but yeah, it depends on the version of PS
09:23<inquisitor>craigevil, only 2 apps?! ok. thx
09:23<datex>thanx, guys.. i will try & tell...
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09:38<eddieB_>can anyone help me with a bash script. i wrote a script. but i need a bash script to change the word 'folder' to whichever folder i chose. and the word 'name' to what i want to name it. example. "./myscript Folder Name"
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09:40<MadHag>!ati repo
09:40<MadHag>!non free
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09:41<MadHag>!non-free
09:41<dpkg>non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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09:42<MadHag>geez
09:43<simonrvn>!tell MadHag -about msg the bot
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09:49<eddieB_>can anyone help me with a bash script. i wrote a script. but i need a bash script to change the word 'folder' to whichever folder i chose. and the word 'name' to what i want to name it. example. "./myscript Folder Name"
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09:52<abrotman>eddieB_: don't repeat .. and use sed
09:52<MoRLoCh>or $(variable/word/replace)
09:53<MoRLoCh>actually it's ${*
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09:53<MoRLoCh>oops
09:53<MoRLoCh>actually it's ${}
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09:55<fxiny>eddieB_: no way you can change a folder name to another : there are no folders but dirs ! :P
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09:58<eddieB_>fxiny: ya dirs. sorry
09:58<EmleyMoor>A common typo from my DOS days... dirt
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09:59<fxiny>eddieB_: see if this suits you : apt-cache show renameutils
10:00<eddieB_>fxiny: i need a bash script
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10:01<fxiny>eddieB_: so do a ...if test -z $1 $2 then
10:01<eddieB_>fxiny: i'm not sure what you mean?
10:01<fxiny>a decent bash tutorial will do
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10:02<fxiny>eddieB_: ./myscript folder >> $1 name >> $2
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10:02<eddieB_>fxiny: so in my script change folder to $1 and name to $2?
10:03<fxiny>yes
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10:03<fxiny>read a bash tut
10:03<eddieB_>fxiny: and that's all i do?
10:04<fxiny>eddieB_: ./myscript oldname newname ? mv $1 $2 , read a damn bash tut
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10:05<fxiny>eddieB_: or learn perl :)
10:07<eddieB_>fxiny: i would read the entire bash tutorial but i only need it for this one thing..
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10:09<fxiny>eddieB_: google for "bash test condition" , make sure is a dir you are mv renaming and make sure it exists
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10:11<eddieB_>fxiny: i suck at explaining. i already wrote the script. i was told i need a bash script to execute it. and i was told i would type "./myscript folder name" and it would rename the work "folder and the word "name" in my script. not in debian
10:11<eddieB_>word*
10:13<simonrvn>sentence
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10:14<fxiny>eddieB_: is trivial : bash command line argument plus bash test condition will do it
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10:22<eddieB_>fxiny: is this right? http://pastebin.ca/1206627
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10:23<fxiny>eddieB_: gimme a sec , browser off : echo "mv \$1 \$2" > test.sh , chmod 700 test.sh ./test.sh foo.txt bar.txt . add the shebang and a test condition
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11:03<Delko>Hi there
11:04<Delko>I'm newbye in Debian and need your help for debian configuration on a Toshiba Satellite 3000 laptop
11:04<EmleyMoor>Are you having any specific problems?
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11:07<Delko>After installing debian I'm not able to configure gdm for having graphical UI
11:07<ansgar>eddieB_: What do you actually want to achive?
11:09<abrotman>Delko: etch or lenny?
11:09<eddieB_>ansgar: i want to change the word 'folder' to whatever dir name i want and change the word 'name' whatever name i want
11:09<Delko>I would like to get my graphical interface for using synaptic to install more packages
11:09<Delko>I'm actually using Etch version
11:11<EmleyMoor>eddieB_: Thereby achieving what?
11:12<eddieB_>EmleyMoor: the names being changed whenever i want them to be changed
11:12<EmleyMoor>Renaming files? Is that what you mean?
11:12<eddieB_>no
11:12<EmleyMoor>What then? What/where are these names?
11:12<eddieB_>in my script
11:13<EmleyMoor>You want to edit your script to change some words?
11:13<eddieB_>no. nevermind
11:13<fxiny>Delko: is xorg installed ?
11:13<ansgar>eddieB_: So `folder' and `name' are parameters?
11:14<Teal>Hi, is there anywhere on the Debian website that describes which packages are contained in the predefined 'collections' in the Debian installation?
11:14<Delko>fxiny: I guess yes
11:14<eddieB_>ansgar: yup
11:14<abrotman>Teal: the tasks ?
11:15<abrotman>Delko: what's your video card?
11:15<Delko>During the install process Xorg is not supposed to be installed???
11:15<Teal>aye
11:15<EmleyMoor>I think Teal means such things as "Desktop environment" and "SQL Server"
11:15<Teal>yeah
11:15<kakatree>startx ?
11:15<EmleyMoor>Delko: If you include Desktop environment, it should be
11:15<abrotman>Teal: man tasksel .. it tells you how
11:16<Teal>cool, just installing on a very low-spec machine, want to keep it small
11:16<Teal>thanks
11:16<ansgar>eddieB_: http://pastebin.com/d1ed967a6, if you call it `./script a b' it should give `FOLDER is a, NAME is b'
11:17<Delko>All right, I think I'm missing something I don't remember how to include Desktop environement during the install process
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11:17<Delko>The video card is Nvidia
11:17<fxiny>Delko: just check : apt-cache policy xorg
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11:18<eddieB_>do i add "#call with parameter: FOLDER NAME"
11:18<eddieB_>?
11:19<fxiny>that's a comment
11:19<fxiny>useless
11:19<EmleyMoor>eddieB_: That's... what fxiny said!
11:19<eddieB_>oh okay
11:20<Delko>Thank u guys I,m gonna investigate all that issues and I will get back to u
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11:28<fxiny>eddieB_: you want : if test -z $1 $2 ; then echo "eddieB_ type FOLDER and NAME !" ; exit 1 ; fi >>> this check for you typing two arguments $1 and $2 . then you can assigne $1 and $2 to whatever you want in your script , you should google for "bash command line argument" , "bash test condition" to make sure the dir exists , "bash variable assignement"
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11:29<fxiny>eddieB_: yoor paste bine shows many errors : done and exit
11:29<fxiny>bin*
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11:30<fxiny>still the great eddieB_ script wt4x mistery , haunts me :P
11:30<eddieB_>still not working. am i doing something wrong? here's what i got. http://pastebin.ca/1206673
11:32<fxiny>eddieB_: cd /home/eddie/FOLDER
11:33<Teal>ok, what I'm actually wanting is to know the contents of the different tasks that are availible, for instance, what packages are contained in the laptop task or the Standard System task. Is there any such resource?
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11:35<ansgar>Teal: package tasksel-data?
11:35<fxiny>eddieB_: $FOLDER
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11:36<Teal>sorry yeah, just spotted that... I guess I need to finish instal before I can find out then... thanks
11:36<eddieB_>fxiny: ?
11:36<fxiny>eddieB_: try $FOLDER or a just $1
11:36<abrotman>Teal: you might be able to go to the console and check
11:36<eddieB_>fxiny: to all of them?
11:37<Teal>true, I'll try that
11:38<Teal>nope, can't find tasksel... need to finish the install first it seems
11:38<fxiny>eddieB_: read : echo FOLDER is $FOLDER , right ? isn not
11:39<Teal>man
11:39<fxiny> FOLDER is FOLDER , got it ?
11:39<Teal>(wrong keyboard, sorry)
11:39<eddieB_>so change it to "FOLDER is FOLDER"?
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11:39<fxiny>eddieB_: nahhh : change cd or mkdir ... $FOLDER
11:40<fxiny>eddieB_: FOLDER is $FOLDER
11:40<fxiny>easy
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11:43<fxiny>eddieB_: http://www.faqs.org/docs/abs/HTML/varassignment.html , and remember : google won't charge you for searching ;)
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11:44<fxiny>unless there is something weird in the chrome-agon EULA :P
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11:47<fxiny>eddieB_: what the hell is cd /root/rar ; ? are you running it as root ?
11:47<eddieB_>fxiny: i changed all "FOLDER" to "$FOLDER".. still not working.
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11:48<fxiny>eddieB_: what about cd /root/rar ?
11:48<eddieB_>yes
11:48<fxiny>eddieB_: yes ? no no no : you running etch ?
11:48<eddieB_>fxiny: yes
11:49<torrr>when packages are built what makes the "Packages" file?
11:49<fxiny>so install rar : why are you cd /root/rar ?
11:49<fxiny>eddieB_: do you really have a dir called rar in /root =
11:49<eddieB_>fxiny: because my system is "borked" as whoever helped me the first day told me
11:49<fxiny>s/=/?
11:50<fxiny>eddieB_: so . we forgwet your script now. which is not a debian thing . we can help you fixing your box : just explain and the cahn will help ypu
11:50<fxiny>chan*
11:51<fxiny>eddieB_: you don't want any rar crap in /root for sure
11:51<eddieB_>fxiny: i don't need help with that. i am getting a new server in 2 weeks. so if anything went juristically wrong, it doesn't really matter
11:52<fxiny>ahhhhhhh
11:52<fxiny>eddieB_: are you "that" eddieB ?
11:52<eddieB_>fxiny: lol what?
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11:52<fxiny>i vaguely remember something : is that a remote box ^
11:53<eddieB_>fxiny: dedi server
11:53<fxiny>yes yes
11:53<fxiny>that eddieB
11:53<eddieB_>fxiny: lol
11:53<fxiny>dedi dodi dude
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11:54<eddieB_>fxiny: so ya think you can help me with this script problem?
11:54<fxiny>eddieB_: you did not installed rar in root but your provider , right ?
11:54<eddieB_>fxiny: yes
11:54<fxiny>i remember
11:55<fxiny>eddieB_: the script problem ? change all FOLDER instances after "echo NAME is $NAME" with $FOLDER
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11:56<fxiny>eddieB_: like this > mkdir "/home/eddie/downloads/$FOLDER/"
11:57<eddieB_>fxiny: yes. i did that. but it's still not working
11:57<fxiny>eddieB_: change FOLDER=$1
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12:00<eddieB_>fxiny: this is what i have http://pastebin.ca/1206684
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12:02<fxiny>eddieB_: man mkdir >>> parent mkidr -p
12:03<fxiny>eddieB_: that will mkdir cd1 ... /$FOLDER/cd1
12:04<fxiny>eddieB_: /home/eddie/ sucks : i'd use $HOME
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12:26<eddieB_>fxiny: i had something screwed up.. it works now. but it automatically names the rars "NAMEa" and "NAMEb"
12:27<fxiny>eddieB_: that is on the rar line . fix it >> -R NAMEa
12:28<fxiny>eddieB_: you should know how , same as for $FOLDER
12:29<eddieB_>fxiny: that's exactly what i thought. but when i did that, i get this http://pastebin.ca/1206713
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12:31<vharuz>I've got a quick question; I seem to have lost my origenal debian cd, and need to do a reinstall. the cds on the website are rather numerous. Is there a basic either packages or a base net installer I can get somewhere? I don't want gnome and xwindow and kde and all that crap.
12:31<fxiny>eddieB_: dunno . it seems a licence issue . rar is not free
12:31<dmoerner>dpkg: tell vharuz -about netinst
12:31<eddieB_>fxiny: do i need like a " or a ' in NAMEa?
12:31<vharuz>dpkg seems to be broken. ;)
12:31<dpkg>vharuz: I give up, what is it?
12:31<fxiny>vharuz: a netinstall iso ?
12:31<eddieB_>fxiny: rar is free
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12:32<dmoerner>vharuz: why is it broken?
12:32<vharuz>yeah. that's what I'm looking for is just a netinst
12:32<vharuz>dpkg netinst
12:32<dpkg>from memory, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
12:32<dmoerner>vharuz: it sent you a query with that content
12:32<vharuz>gotcha.
12:32<vharuz>didn't see the netinst folder... thanks a ton.
12:32<vharuz>downloading 30+ cds looked painfull. ;)
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12:33<darsie>How do I get 'run-mailcap audio.mp3' to use mpg123 instead of vlc? 'audio/x-mp3; mpg123 -v '%s'; nametemplate=%s.mp3' in ~/.mailcap did not work.
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12:35<fxiny>eddieB_: is it ? i read some lines on your pastebin : licence and order are for driving and despatching goods ? :)
12:35<fxiny>eddieB_: rar is not free :)
12:36<eddieB_>fxiny: hmm. well since it works when i do it manually. it should work in a bash script right? i mean rar doesn't know the difference. or do they?
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12:37<fxiny>eddieB_: make it $NAME-a
12:38<fxiny>eddieB_: dunno about rar . just winding rar up
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12:43<oscar_>hola
12:43<oscar_>como puedo ver mi vercion de ubuntu
12:43<oscar_>hello
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12:44<abrotman>quick bugger
12:44<eddieB_>fxiny: now it works perfect. thanks for all of the help dude.
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12:45<eddieB_>ansgar: thank you too.
12:45<fxiny>hahahah : the large cauldron collider goes offline for two months : we can party as usual ;)
12:46<fxiny>eddieB_: np . ask your provider to employ debian professionals , as users we should take any chance to support 'em
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12:47<eddieB_>fxiny: hopefully my next one does. if not i'll def. ask
12:47<fxiny>eddieB_: good :)
12:48<fabian>oscar_ usa uname -a
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12:53<kurumin>msn
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12:55<diggyz>whats the best whay to stop ssh bruteforce attacks? except changing port
12:56<cahoot>diggyz: fail2ban?
12:56<diggyz>yeah i think i tried that before, it scans the logs right?
12:56<diggyz>wouldnt it be better to just block them with iptables? netfilter way
12:56<dondelelcaro>diggyz: uh... that's how it blocks them
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12:57<dondelelcaro>diggyz: but it has to look at the logs to know when someone is brute forcing ssh
12:57<diggyz>ah okey
12:57<fxiny>i use ssh-black.pl
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12:57<fxiny>gpl perl script
12:58<diggyz>same stuff right? scans logs and then ban
12:58<fxiny>it bans and unbans
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12:58<diggyz>is it hard to configure?
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13:01<dondelelcaro>diggyz: you can literally just install fail2ban; assuming you're running a Debian kernel and Debian ssh, it will all "just work"
13:01<dondelelcaro>diggyz: the default configuration all does the right thing
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13:02<enouf>dondelelcaro: any opinion about denyhosts?
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13:02<enouf>(vs fail2ban)
13:02<dondelelcaro>enouf: never used it
13:02<enouf>dondelelcaro: i think sarge installed it, been here ever since ;-)
13:03<dondelelcaro>could be; I doubt it's as flexible as fail2ban, but it probably works on the same principle
13:03<enouf>it's python related .. |-python,3356 /usr/sbin/denyhosts --daemon --config=/etc/denyhosts.conf --config=/etc/denyhosts.conf
13:04<dondelelcaro>(fail2ban you can configure to ban anything; I've got mine blocking bruteforce attacks on dovecot, for example)
13:04<fxiny>time i check fail2ban then
13:04<diggyz>used fail2ban long time ago and it worked fine
13:04<enouf>ahh.. yeah, it's mainly/only for ssh, iinm - http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html
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13:05<kakka>http://www.cash-harvest.com/index.php?p=1&ref=kakka123
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13:06<diggyz>dondelelcaro: where do i set time and stuff like that, in jail.conf?
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13:07<diggyz>default is kinda good though 600sec 3 tries
13:08<enouf>dondelelcaro: thanks for the info
13:08<dondelelcaro>diggyz: I pretty much just leave the defaults; only rarely had a problem with them
13:09<fEuErmEldEr>hi... how do I enter the busy-box console cleanly? I think I always cancel something with ctrl + c bevor I am able to use ctrl + alt + f2 or f3
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13:09<fEuErmEldEr>and that throws a lot of failures about debconf
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13:10<diggyz>dondelelcaro: : yeah i stick with fail2ban, it doest he work fine
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13:10<diggyz>dondelelcaro: is there some other hardening stuff that is easy to apply after a new debian install?
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13:10<diggyz>i changed ssh port, turned off all shitty daemons i dont need
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13:11<fEuErmEldEr>diggys: maybe bastille?
13:11<fEuErmEldEr>z
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13:12<dondelelcaro>diggyz: there's actually not much that should be changed; just install exactly what you need and don't install what you don't.
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13:12<dondelelcaro>diggyz: you should probably also install something like aide and/or chkrootkit, but those are for catching when things go wrong, not preventing them
13:13<diggyz>hehe okey
13:13<cahoot>disable pw logins to ssh?
13:13<diggyz>yepp done that
13:13<diggyz>ssl are really secure in debian, hihii =)
13:14<diggyz>hmm i had a friend try login 3 times, fail2ban blocked it, but he can still connect
13:14<fxiny>ipt_recent can mitigate ssh attempts
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13:17<eljefe>diggyz tripwire can monitor for system changes
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13:18<fxiny>and samhain
13:18<fxiny>which is lighter
13:19<diggyz>dondelelcaro: hmm fail2ban didnt work
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13:19<diggyz>it scans the log and bans the ip, but i can still connect fine
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13:28<diggyz>iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 -j DROP
13:28<diggyz>hmm problem with that line is that after 4 attemps in 60sec i ban ALL ip´s i guess
13:29<cahoot>didn't you say you changed port?
13:30<diggyz>ah yeah, port 2222 =)
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13:30<fxiny>an easy guess
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13:30<cahoot>fooled f2b ?
13:31<diggyz>dont know why fail2ban wont work, it still let users in
13:32<cahoot>ok I'm no iptables guru but shouldn't you tell f2b to look at attempts on 2222?
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13:32<diggyz>fail2ban scans the log files, so no port needs to be entered
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13:34<sh4d3sl4y3r_>i have a question, i am a fedora user, and recently migrated to debian lenny ! is there a way i can compile the kernel without debian specific tweaks ! like for fedora i just do a make modules_install and make install, but this doesnt works with debian
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13:34<sh4d3sl4y3r_>that is i want to avoid creating the .deb packages and all
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13:35<fxiny>maybe it gets ssh port from /etc/services , you sure it detects ?
13:36<cahoot>the rule he posted uses port 22 - no?
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13:36<diggyz>cahoot: ah the rule i posted was from another script
13:36<diggyz>fxiny: i changed the port in the settings to 2222 aswell
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13:37<norbert_>hi all, I'm trying to help a Debian noob
13:37<norbert_>and I want to point him to an editor with a nice GUI (like gedit) that will allow him to edit files with root permissions
13:37<fxiny>diggyz: did you restart ssh ?
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13:38<umt>hi there. does anyone know what happened to the channel #elive?
13:38<sh4d3sl4y3r_><< a debian noob with problems
13:38<dondelelcaro>norbert_: sensible-editor should be using nano, which is pretty trivial
13:38<norbert_>for example, when I edit a file in /etc, the editor should say "to access this file, you need to enter the root password"
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13:38<norbert_>dondelelcaro: that editor doesn't have a GUI as far as I know
13:39<norbert_>dondelelcaro: and I'm not sure it will edit files in /etc as a user either
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13:39<dondelelcaro>norbert_: uh... it's CLI based; you shouldn't be running a GUI as root, ever.
13:39<norbert_>this is a real problem, noobs need a simple editor like gedit that will allow them to edit files with root permissions
13:39<norbert_>and gedit just gives an error message
13:39<dondelelcaro>norbert_: if whoever this is is incapable of handling a simmple text editor in a CLI, then they shouldn't be editing them as root
13:40<umt>just start gedit from a root shell
13:40<diggyz>fxiny: didnt work on 22 default either
13:40<diggyz>iptables finds the abuser and bans it, but still can connect
13:40<fxiny>noob should accept this world logic
13:40<fxiny>i did
13:40<dondelelcaro>that said, you can use gksu (or gtksu or whatever it is) + gedit
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13:41<norbert_>I've helped so many people to install Debian (and Ubuntu)
13:41<kd>are there any official announcments when big parts of experimental moves to stable (i.e. KDE)? sorry I'm new to debian
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13:41<norbert_>and within _days_ they need to edit files with root permissions
13:41<fxiny>diggyz: i will certainly try fail2ban , i have no clues
13:41<diggyz>hehe
13:42<dondelelcaro>diggyz: the default works fine on port 22, assuming you have a Debian kernel, and Debian's ssh
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13:42<umt>once again - does anybody know what happened to the channel #elive ?
13:42<dondelelcaro>umt: we've nothing to do with #elive
13:42<diggyz>dondelelcaro: i have debian and openssh-server
13:42<norbert_>gedit should /really/ say: "To edit this file, you need root permissions. Please enter the root password: ____ [ok] [cancel]"
13:42<craigevil>kd: if your on sid the ke4 package in exp work just fine, if your on testing there is a kde4 backport project
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13:42<dondelelcaro>norbert_: no, it shouldn't, because random things shouldn't ask for the root password
13:42<norbert_>gedit is not a random thing
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13:43<chealer>sh4d3sl4y3r_: yes
13:43<umt>i know, but since it's based on debian it would have been possible that someone knows here. thx anyway
13:43<strikr>How am I supposed to install glib without having to download the source and ./configure it?
13:43<dondelelcaro>norbert_: sure it is; gtksu is the thing that asks, and there's even a menu option for a root shell or a root editor.
13:43<norbert_>gedit is an editor and a user trying to edit a file with root permissions is a concrete action, not a random oe
13:43<strikr>apttitude does not have it nor is it in the package maniger?
13:43<norbert_>root shells and root editors are for geeks and nerds, not for regular users
13:43<dondelelcaro>norbert_: uh... they're for everybody
13:44<kd>ban ?
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13:44<dondelelcaro>strikr: huh? you almost certainly already have glibc installed
13:44<dondelelcaro>strikr: what are you actually trying to do?
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13:45<dondelelcaro>norbert_: if it's someone's personal machine, set up a menu option (if there isn't one already) to open gedit inside of gtksu. If it's a server, then train the person.
13:45<strikr>trying to install pidgin
13:45<dondelelcaro>strikr: so aptitude install pidgin;
13:45<fxiny>norbert_: no way . vim is the best for editing configs
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13:45<norbert_>fxiny: vim isn't suitable for noobs
13:45<strikr>dont have the file when I aptitude install
13:46<chealer>dondelelcaro: glib, not glibc
13:46<norbert_>and I shouldn't need to set up a gedit to run inside of gtksu, the system should come with that stuff installed /or/ should have a proper editor that can open files with root permissions
13:46<dondelelcaro>strikr: don't have what file? pidgin is already packaged; you don't need to do it.
13:46<dondelelcaro>norbert_: any editor running as root can edit those files
13:46<chealer>strikr: glib is available via APT, yes
13:46<craigevil>strikr: etch? aptitude install gaim
13:46<abrotman>strikr: aptitude install gaim .. in etch .. which is like pidgin2.0beta4
13:46<strikr>Its not packaged on mine
13:47<dondelelcaro>strikr: if you're running etch, then use gaim, or a backport of pidgin if it exists
13:47<strikr>I tryed glib earlier did not work
13:47<norbert_>dondelelcaro: yep, but no such thing is being installed by Debian
13:47<abrotman>there is a backport of pidgin at backports.org
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13:47<abrotman>strikr: aptitude install gaim .. it's in etch .. works perfectly fine
13:47<strikr> you almost certainly already have glibc instal
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13:48<dondelelcaro>you probably also already have libglib installed too
13:48<fxiny>norbert_: vim is a test : i disregard noobs unwilling to learn the basic of vim
13:48<norbert_>fxiny: give me a break
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13:48<dondelelcaro>norbert_: everything is there to make it work; there may even be an existing menu entry to make it work by default.
13:48<strikr>if I had glib already installed, I would not get an error when trying to configure from source
13:48<abrotman>strikr: just install gaim already
13:48<dondelelcaro>strikr: yes, you would, because you don't have the development headers.
13:49<dondelelcaro>strikr: and in any event, you don't need to, nor do you want to build pidgin from source.
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13:49<norbert_>dondelelcaro: ok, tell me which menu entry I need to edit /etc/Muttrc
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13:49<dierot>hey. is there a gui equivalent to netstat and the functions it performs?
13:49<strikr>this does not only go for pidgin from source. This goes for all software not in the package
13:49<dondelelcaro>norbert_: uh... you don't need to edit /etc/Muttrc
13:49<craigevil>strikr: your not listening either do aptitude install gaim or use backports to install pidgin, you do not need to install from source
13:49<norbert_>dondelelcaro: what if I do?
13:49<dondelelcaro>strikr: use gaim, or install a backport of pidgin using backports.org
13:49<dondelelcaro>norbert_: you don't ever need to; you edit your ~/.muttrc
13:50<norbert_>you really want me to look for an example of a file with root permissions that I /would/ like to edit?
13:50<strikr>ok so I will install gaim to shut you up but how to I fix my glib problem?
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13:50<dierot>? = "netstat gui"
13:51<dondelelcaro>strikr: it's not a problem; if you actually have to build something that isn't packaged (you almost never do, but whatever) install the development headers for the libraries that you need.
13:51<paul__>is there any faq for accessing wifi (ap use WPA-PSK)?
13:51<fxiny>norbert_: play with /etc/hosts
13:51<dondelelcaro>strikr: you'll find them using apt-cache search library -dev; or similar.
13:51<abrotman>dierot: apt-cache search netstat .. i see some gnome-ish things
13:52<strikr>So just dev the headers. Wasn't that simple enough?
13:52<strikr>Thanks
13:52<abrotman>or jsut install gaim and be happy :)
13:53<craigevil>paul__: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi?highlight=%28wifi%29
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13:53<dondelelcaro>strikr: we're more interested in solving your real problem then the problem you think you have; if you realize that when interacting with us, you'll be a happier person.
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13:56<chealer>dondelelcaro: gksu, not gtksu
13:56<enouf>what's wrong with sudo nano /etc/filename?
13:57<chealer>dondelelcaro: nothing prevents someone from running a GUI as root
13:57<fxiny>sudo and nano :P
13:57<fxiny>enouf: ;)
13:57<enouf>i see the weenie left :-P
13:57<dondelelcaro>chealer: sure; that's why I mentioned it in the first place
13:57<enouf>oh, he wanted a gui only? so, sudo gedit /etc/filename?
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13:58*dondelelcaro doesn't use gnome or kde or any of those things, though, so never remembers how they're setup or how they're configured
13:59<enouf>just a fwiw - righto - kdesu and gksu are similar, iinm
13:59<enouf>and then you have sux :-)
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14:00<fxiny>next i'll tell him to use sed :P
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14:00<dgodfather>hi to all, i won't to make an image of my disk boot and / partitions, so i used gparted live to free 5 gig(what i need) of disk space
14:00<fxiny>sooo easy
14:00<enouf>fxiny: haha
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14:01<chealer>dondelelcaro: you actually mentioned it after stating that "you shouldn't be running a GUI as root, ever."
14:01<dgodfather>now when i try to create through debian a partition in that part it fails saying It is not possible to create more than 4 primary partitions
14:01<enouf>you probably want to double that dgodfather if you had to "free it up" to begin with
14:01<enouf>dgodfather: it isn't when using msdos partition sytle tables
14:01<dgodfather>no i meant i resized the partition
14:01<strikr>run a gui as a user and go to terminal 6 then root for install
14:02<dgodfather>enouf: didn't understand the second statement
14:02<enouf>dgodfather: i'm just saying, having extra free space (as in 2x what you think you need) will save unforeseen headaches
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14:03<dgodfather>enouf: it's fine i have free space
14:03<dondelelcaro>chealer: ah, meant X as root, and you really shouldn't be running random GUIs as root, either.
14:03<dgodfather>enouf: i only have problem that i can't create another partition from the unallocated disk part with this error
14:03<dgodfather>not error much as saying i can't have more then 4 primary
14:04<dgodfather>but i don't wont a primary partition now, only a partition to store the image on
14:04<fxiny>dgodfather: you want 3 primary and one extended : this way you can make logicals up to 32 partitions iirc . you want more ? yes is possible even more , need some workk
14:05<dgodfather>fxiny: but how can i create an extended now that i have already reached the limit of primary partitions?
14:06<dgodfather>on the same disk i have my windows partition for games and stuff and it sees that as primary as well i guess
14:06<fxiny>dgodfather: easy : format last primary as extended
14:06<chealer>dondelelcaro: OK, but X as root is quite different. and at least desktop users should feel free to run some GUIs as root.
14:06<enouf>dgodfather: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/structPartitions-c.html
14:06<fxiny>you will loose your data
14:06<dgodfather>fxiny: won't that delete the content on the disk?
14:07<fxiny>just the partition you delete
14:07<fxiny>usuallly last one
14:07<dgodfather>fxiny: i can't loose my data you know i worked hard setting it all up
14:07<dgodfather>well it's the / partition on the disk
14:08<fxiny>dgodfather: i have one blinfd eye only , snouf knows it : you said you shrinked up
14:08<fxiny>enouf: bloody typos :)
14:08<dgodfather>fxiny: yep i shrinked the root partition in 5 giga
14:08<enouf>dgodfather: if you already have 4 primaries, and are unwilling to repartition the disk to 3 Primary + 1 Ext'd. you're SOL bro
14:09<fxiny>dgodfather: right . so you have some space free
14:09<enouf>buy another HDD == done ;-)
14:09<dgodfather>fxiny: sec
14:09<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
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14:09<fxiny>dgodfather: i was a multipartition scheme maniac . now i use only 10
14:10<dgodfather>fxiny: and logged into debian to partition it so i can clonezilla the image to that partition but i can't do that, it doesn't let me saying that i have reached the limit for primary partitions
14:10<enouf>it's amazing how fast these newcomers can read ...
14:10<dgodfather>and since extended is also primary i must delete one primary to create extended
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14:10<enouf>i gave a nice linlk that explains the issue, and yet, he's still here blabbing ;-)
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14:11<davi>Why is not the xmms package in Debian lenny?
14:11<dgodfather>enouf: well would you expect me to ignore what someone says to me?
14:11<fxiny>gtk1
14:11<dgodfather>and go read the link
14:11<fxiny>davi: gtk1
14:11<enouf>it's old? not maintained? xmms2 replcaes it?
14:12<fxiny>xmms2 rulez
14:12<abrotman>davi: gtk1 is gone from lenny
14:12<enouf>actually - some find audacious as the replacement
14:12<davi>fxiny, shit
14:12<fxiny>davi: why ? xmms2 is so great
14:12<abrotman>davi: what's your WM/DE ?
14:12<davi>fxiny, I loved the xmms GUI!
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14:12<davi>abrotman, I use KDE 3.5
14:13<fxiny>davi: gui ? i am addicted to xmms2 cli !
14:13<abrotman>davi: a lot of kde users like amarok
14:13<fxiny>amarok is very good
14:13<dgodfather>fxiny: if i partition it from outside debian, from gparted live, will everything be ok after?
14:14<davi>fxiny, abrotman, I need xmms due to it came with some visual effects which my son love! I will have to go back to etch.
14:14<davi>some OpenGL 3D effects
14:14<enouf>dgodfather: you'll need to backup the data elsewhere (the data from the partition you are to delete and convert to Ext'd and create logicals within)
14:14<fxiny>dgodfather: yes , you must do it "outside" , btw : checkout partimage on that live cd
14:14<abrotman>davi: uhm .. hold on
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14:14<davi>abrotman, I hold
14:15<dgodfather>enouf: well that is the long way i prefer short if it's available and you know of one
14:15<enouf>i mentioned the short way already
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14:16<dgodfather>fxiny: yep but if i do it "outside" will it effect debian ? will it boot ? act normally after i return?
14:16<abrotman>davi: i'd guess audacious has them .. but i can't recall how to turn them on :)
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14:16<sandrine>Hello
14:16<davi>abrotman, Thanks. I am going to google for audacious
14:16<dgodfather>fxiny: enouf: and also is it ok to put the / partition on a logical partition?
14:17<fxiny>dgodfather: everything will be fine . what live cd are you using ?
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14:17<enouf>dgodfather: yes
14:17<chealer>abrotman: GTK 1 is still is lenny
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14:18<abrotman>chealer: to be removed IIRC
14:18<chealer>abrotman: I think there was discussion about removing GNOME 1. but even that seems to remain for now. it's orphaned
14:18<dgodfather>fxiny: gparted live
14:19<fxiny>dgodfather: a good one for partitioning
14:19<abrotman>davi: yeah.. there are some visualization things in audacious
14:20<dgodfather>fxiny: enouf: but if i remove the / partition i will loose all data meaning i have to reinstall
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14:20<fxiny>dgodfather: you cant remove that !
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14:20<abrotman>chealer: oh well ... they should kill it off ..
14:20<fxiny>dgodfather: where's swap ?
14:21<dgodfather>fxiny: first i wanna say thanks for the patiance and understanding, i am a newb
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14:21<fxiny>dgodfather: kill swap . shrink , make an extended and stick swap in it and your backup partition
14:21<enouf>bingo
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14:21<dgodfather>fxiny: oh, good idea, and all this from live cd
14:21<davi>abrotman, I am looking at them... Let me check
14:22<dgodfather>gr8
14:22<dgodfather>10x
14:22<fxiny>dgodfather: and about shrinking :; are you going to shring root ?
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14:22<dgodfather>well i already did and in the and of it 5 gig were freed
14:23<dgodfather>unallocated
14:23<abrotman>davi: and i'd guess amarok has some visualization stuff
14:23<dgodfather>now as you say all i have to do is partition swap as extended
14:23<kd>Anyone using 177.76 nvidia drivers with KDE4.1?
14:23<enouf>dgodfather: btw, for next time; if you told us how exactly your partitions were layed out upfront (even an fdisk -l output) + your goals (which you did indicate well), we could've resolved this a long time back ;-)
14:23<sandrine>I'm using KDE4.1
14:23<dgodfather>but how do i put root in a logical into the extended?
14:23<fxiny>dgodfather: if you move swap dont' forget to edit fstab
14:24<sandrine>but with Intel graphics
14:24<sandrine>cause fglrx is broken on my W500.
14:24<dgodfather>enouf: no prob sorry
14:24<kd>sandrine: Intel has the best open source video driver, however I have nvidia
14:24<dgodfather>fxiny: enouf: i am sending the disk layout
14:24<fxiny>dgodfather: do you have 4 primary , right ? one is swap ? delete swap
14:24<enouf>dgodfather: no worries - just letting you know, the more (specific) information we have, the better we can help
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14:25<fxiny>dgodfather: then use 5 unallocated + swap as an extended
14:25<sandrine>kd: Good open source drivers indeed. But I get that Disabling EXA render acceleration
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14:25<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m2ae3b07d
14:25<sandrine>So I don't know if rendering could be faster or not.
14:25<fxiny>dgodfather: add two logicals one for swap and one for backups
14:26<fxiny>lemme see
14:26<enouf>er ..
14:26<kd>sandrine: a build-in on board intel gpu performs better with 2D and KDE4 then my 8600M GT with 512RAM and nvidia crap drivers. Isn't it funny?
14:26<sandrine>Yep.
14:26<davi>abrotman, I have not found in audacious the plugin which was in xmms. Maybe I need install some extra package as is was with xmms. Well, audacious GUI seem similar to the xmms. I like it.
14:26<enouf>dgodfather: see this? /dev/sda2 1913 36030 274052835 f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
14:26<fxiny>dgodfather: wait : i see an extenbded
14:26<enouf>those are the blocks you can play with
14:26<sandrine>But I cannot get dual-screen, there is a limit on 1920x1200 resolution with xrandr.
14:27<dgodfather>fxiny: but it's the windows partition on the disk
14:27<sandrine>And the old driver that support dual-screen (i80.. something) does not seem to work.
14:27<dgodfather>fxiny: enouf: wait please, can we explain to me one step at a time so i understand what i am about to do?
14:27<abrotman>davi: which visualization are you looking for?
14:28<dgodfather>i am about to die if i need to reinstall again, that is what the image is for :)
14:28<dgodfather>a. i delete the swap partition
14:28<dgodfather>that i get
14:28<chealer>kd: hey, if you got 8600M GT, could you try reproducing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495382 ?
14:28<enouf>dgodfather: your linux partitions (sda3 and sda4) are not contained within that ext'd , hence your ext'd was never reallocated free blocks to use
14:28<enouf>now, stop typing and listen
14:28<chealer>kd: I'm the submitter. I'm starting to wonder if it's just me.
14:28<sandrine>kd: My fan is noisy too, I don't know where to look. Is there a power-management thing ?
14:29<sandrine>Anyone having luck with that: ATI Technologies Inc Mobilitiy Radeon HD 3650
14:29<dgodfather>enouf: what does that mean that my ext'd was never reallocated free blocks to use?
14:29<fxiny>enouf: go go . Mr. Daniels ringing ...
14:29<enouf>dgodfather: sda5 and sda6 are logicals that within the Ext'd partition
14:29<davi>abrotman, 3D visualization. Maybe it is at audacious-plugins-extra. I am installing such package.
14:29<sandrine>Maybe I should report a bug ...
14:29<abrotman>davi: hrm ..
14:29<enouf>dgodfather: sda3 and sda4 are not
14:30<kd>chealer: Do you have any specific xorg.conf options that I shall try?
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14:30<chealer>kd: no. just the nv driver
14:30<kd>sandrine: no idea sorry
14:30<dgodfather>enouf: OK
14:30<sandrine>kd: thanks.
14:31<chealer>kd: I guess it's a good idea to attach my xorg.conf though
14:31<enouf>dgodfather: do you really have a 7.5GB swap partition? 12. /dev/sda6 35058 36030 7815591 82 Linux swap / Solaris
14:31<kd>chealer: also version of kernel and driver
14:31<chealer>kd: where did you get that 177.76 nvidia driver?
14:31<beia_>!awm
14:31<dgodfather>yep, i understood it should be twice the ram size though it did feel stupid that it's that large
14:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 325] by debhelper
14:32<beia_>!awm
14:32<beia_>!nvidia
14:32<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
14:32<enouf>dgodfather: well, it might be your saving grace this one time ;-)
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14:32<beia_>!awm
14:32<chealer>kd: I was using nv 1:2.1.10-1 and Linux 2.6.25-2-686. but feel free to try with the latest versions.
14:32<abrotman>!tell beia_ about msg the bot
14:32<kd>chealer: ftp://download.nvidia.com/Xfree86/Linux-x86/177.76/ beta driver however works well
14:32<dgodfather>enouf: you say i can use that?
14:32<chealer>kd: OK. thanks
14:32<enouf>dgodfather: where is your / at - sda3?
14:33<sandrine>Default installer wanted me to have a 6Gig swap for my 2Gig laptop. Weird no ?
14:33<chealer>kd: the link doesn't work here though
14:33<dgodfather>yep i think so
14:33<beia_>i want package awm or gerneric...
14:33<enouf>dgodfather: sda3 is much much larger than sda4, you don't know?
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14:34<enouf>dgodfather: mount | grep sda3, or look at your /etc/fstab
14:34<dgodfather>it is the root
14:34<dgodfather>sda3 is root
14:34<enouf>dgodfather: ok. now, what is your goal?
14:35<dgodfather>i want to save an image of the clean system to a 5 gig partition
14:35<dgodfather>it's the needed size
14:35<enouf>is this "clean system" on sda3?
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14:35<dgodfather>yes
14:36<dgodfather>it's the one i am inside of now
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14:36<enouf>dgodfather: what does df -hT | grep sda3 say?
14:36<dgodfather>/dev/sda3 ext3 182G 4.5G 170G 3% /
14:37<davi>abrotman, Not all those xmms plugins http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xmms&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all are in lenny and so it can be considered a 'regression'.
14:37<abrotman>davi: so check amarok .. it may have others ..
14:37<davi>abrotman, thanks
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14:38<dgodfather>enouf: /dev/sda3 ext3 182G 4.5G 170G 3% /
14:38<abrotman>davi: can't you just have your kids watch Desperate Housewives like a normal family .. jeez :)
14:38<enouf>dgodfather: ok .. you can do this then - you'll want to make a swapfile (note *file*) on sda3 and use that for swap, and just change the partitionID on /sda6 (your now swap partition) overwrite your swap using mkfs, then use that for backup for your image
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14:40<enouf>dgodfather: this is not a laptop correct? One small minor caveat about using a swapfile over a swap partition is if you wanted to also use swsusp/s2disk stuffs for hibernation, etc - do you use these things?
14:40<davi>abrotman, My kid is already freaky :)
14:40<fxiny>enouf: there is something strange : check start and end ,it seems extended starts at 1913 ending at 36030
14:40<enouf>dgodfather: other than that - using a swapfile is fine, and in your case, even more speedy
14:41<dgodfather>enouf: i don't think so, never heard of that :)
14:41<enouf>fxiny: sda5 and sda6 are within the sda2 Ext'd
14:42<abrotman>davi: oh good ..
14:42<beia_>i find awm for debian or generic ...
14:42<enouf>fxiny: then comes sda4 followed by sda3 .. yes the order is all screwy - nothing new
14:43<fxiny>enouf: correct . but are 3 and 4 after ?
14:43<fxiny>enouf: ok , yes : order screwed
14:43<dgodfather>enouf: how can i reorganize the order?
14:43<enouf>fxiny: nope - but that really doesn't matter .. it's just gives me eye sores
14:43<enouf>dgodfather: don'
14:43<fxiny>fdisk expert mode
14:43<dgodfather>without screwing up my windows and linux
14:43<enouf>dgodfather: don't even ...
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14:44<dgodfather>fxiny: enouf: i don't know expert mode, you suggest not to touch that?
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14:44<dgodfather>shouldn't i image a perfect system as possible?
14:44<kdas>is bitchx dead ?
14:44<fxiny>i wish
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14:45<strikr>bitchx is still used
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14:45<enouf>dgodfather: there's no "reordering" without copying off all your data from all partitions, and repartition the entire disk - otherwise y
14:45<dgodfather>enouf: but might that damage my systems?
14:45<sandrine>anyone knows how to scroll up in irssi ? :)
14:46<kdas>whats the best irc client these days ? (consol)
14:46<enouf>atleast, not without a TON of pain and potential nightmares
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14:46<strikr>Thats why external HDD's were invented
14:46<sandrine>I try Shift-> PageHup
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14:46<enouf>dgodfather: the way it is, is fine - leave it
14:46<dgodfather>enouf: OK
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14:46<enouf>dgodfather: learn your lesson for the next HDD you buy - and no, it won't damage the disk or data
14:46<kdas>sandrine, ctrl + pg UP or also some times shift + up key
14:47<sandrine>Too bad ... konsole maps ctrl + pg UP to something else :(
14:47<kdas>sandrine, did it work ?
14:47<enouf>dgodfather: so, in short, you can leave all partition sizes as they are, you will use the sda6 7.5GB area for your backup, and you will have a swapfile on sda3 you use for swap
14:47<dgodfather>enouf: so i don't really know how to do what you suggested about changing the partitionId
14:48<sandrine>kdas, I try to disable that konsole shortcut ...
14:48<enouf>dgodfather: that you can do with fdisk advanced and fxiny mentioned -- or easier is cfdisk .. or maybe gparted LiveCD can do it
14:48<dgodfather>enouf: sounds like great strategy only i am feeling uncomfortable with changing the partition ID will you help me with that?
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14:48<dgodfather>but how? what does it mean to change a disk id?
14:48<enouf>dgodfather: you tell it you want Linux as sda4 and sda3 look now - ID == 0x83
14:49<kdas>kd, whats up?
14:49<kd>Bug reproduced on kernel 2.6.26-1-686 and xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:2.1.10-1
14:49<enouf>dgodfather: partitionID, not disk ID
14:49<dgodfather>yep partition id
14:49<kdas>kd, i am running both those whats the bug ?
14:49<enouf>dgodfather: you 1st just mkfs on it - which FS do you want to use? ext3 ok?
14:49<dgodfather>enouf: can it be done from console when i am in the partition?
14:50<dgodfather>yep ext3
14:50<sandrine>Ctrl pg UP print a nice control char ... like 5~
14:50<enouf>dgodfather: you 1st want to swapoff -a
14:50<kd>kdas: after trying to logout from KDE4.1 the system crashes. Twice black screen, once artefacts.
14:50<enouf>dgodfather: basically turn off swap
14:51<fxiny>enouf: i think he can leave things like they are : imo the extended should always be the last one , holding anything but root , this way deleting partitions is a breze , your swap file suggestion is the easy thing he can do
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14:51<dgodfather>so it's no mentioning the swap partition
14:51<enouf>dgodfather: are you booted to your sda3 / now? or the livecd?
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14:51<dgodfather>enouf: sda3
14:51<kdas>kd, thats not a kernel or a NV bug
14:52<kdas>kd, kde 4.01 is VERY buggy on debian right now
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14:52<enouf>dgodfather: pastebin the output of free -m for me
14:52<kd>kdas: works on NVIDIA closed drivers 177.70 and 177.76
14:52<dgodfather>but you did notice that my windows parition is in the etx'd right?
14:52<dgodfather>enouf: sec
14:52<sandrine>I run KDE-4.1 and it's ok.
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14:52<cinco5>dfg
14:53<kd>kdas: was it you that submited the bug and asked me to reproduce it?
14:53<kd>sorry short memory
14:53<cinco5>?
14:53<dgodfather>enouf: http://pastebin.com/m2dafce8a
14:53<kdas>kd, it might function but in generl its buggy so i wouldn't be supprised about a crash of any sort
14:53<enouf>dgodfather: we are not restructuring any partitions
14:53<kdas>kd, we just met :D
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14:53<enouf>dgodfather: ok, so swapoff -a
14:53<dgodfather>enouf: so you say it all can be done from here right now
14:53<kdas>damn sirc!!!! i sthere something like good old bitchx any more ?
14:54<enouf>mostly, yes dgodfather
14:54<dgodfather>enouf: did that
14:54<kd>kdas: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495382
14:54<cinco5>colombian people
14:54<enouf>dgodfather: now, do free -m | grep Swap
14:55<dgodfather>enouf: nothing, i guess it worked
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14:55<dgodfather>enouf: sorry capital S
14:55<enouf>dgodfather: nothing? it should say 0 0 0 now
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14:55<dgodfather>it's all zeros
14:55<dgodfather>yep
14:56<kdas>kd, yea i got the same thing on my box i have a nv 9300m g
14:56<dgodfather>enouf: it's all zeros, it's OK
14:56<kd>kdas: have you tried latest 177.76 drivers ?
14:57<kdas>kd, no i just reformated
14:57<dgodfather>enouf: are you still with me?
14:58<kd>kdas: same with me, on another machine. now i'm trying to check if some 2D issues were finally solved
14:58<enouf>dgodfather: so, now, "mkfs.ext3 -m 2 -L MyBackup /dev/sda6" <-- name it whatever you like
14:58<KnuckOne>when you think that a proprietary driver means that they can log your keystrokes and stuff... take care :]
14:58<enouf>dgodfather: have patience ..
14:58<kd>kdas: it seems the performance is nicer, however some fixes still apply
14:59<dgodfather>enouf: by name it what you like you mean change MyBackup right?
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14:59<enouf>dgodfather: yes
14:59<kdas>kd, well i am still figuring out how to get X into my runlevel LOL so i got a long way to go before i start testing any gfx
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15:00<kdas>BRB
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15:00<dgodfather>enouf: OK did that
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15:01<enouf>dgodfather: the -m 2 tells it to only reserve 2% instead of 5% that's usually set aside as "reserved blocks" for root .. since it's a small partition and for backups, i wanted you to have a bit more space
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15:01<dgodfather>enouf: why do i need any space reserved for root?
15:02<enouf>dgodfather: man mke2fs - it's done so root can rescue a systme when 100% disk is used
15:02<dgodfather>enouf: OK
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15:03<dgodfather>but not every partition file system reserves disk space for root, isn't that true?
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15:03<enouf>dgodfather: and i should've said 100% partition space is used - it's a per partition thing
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15:03<enouf>per partition, per file system thing
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15:04<dgodfather>enouf: OK good to know
15:04<enouf>some file systems do via default , some don't
15:04<dgodfather>what?
15:04<Guest732>hey how to get gyachi on debian ?
15:04<abrotman>Guest732: it's not in debian
15:05<dgodfather>sorry i want to understand, what do you mean some do via default?
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15:05<dgodfather>enouf: sorry i want to understand, what do you mean some do via default?
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15:05<Guest732>yup i have 3 dvd s but dont know how to install from it
15:05<Guest732>i installed first dvd
15:05<abrotman>it's still not in debian
15:05<enouf>dgodfather: mke2fs has default options set when you run it, it automatically reserves 5% .. other file systems and their tools may not do that
15:06<enouf>dgodfather: via == by way of
15:06<dgodfather>OH
15:06<dgodfather>on i know via,
15:06<dgodfather>the explanation was what i needed
15:06<dgodfather>so what is the next step?
15:06<enouf>well, now, use cfdisk to go in and change the partitionID to Linux 83
15:07<enouf>cfdisk /dev/sda
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15:07<enouf>use the arrows to select sda6, move the cursor over to [Types] ..
15:08<Guest732>neone tell me how to install gyachi or pidgin
15:08<enouf>hit enter
15:08<Guest732>?
15:08<abrotman>aptitude install gaim
15:08<enouf>dgodfather: type in 83
15:08<dgodfather>enouf: in cfdisk i don't see the name given to sda6
15:08<enouf>dgodfather: don't worry
15:09<dgodfather>type only 83?
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15:09<enouf>yes
15:09<dgodfather>enouf: i don't have 83 i have 82
15:09<enouf>dgodfather: you want to set the partition as 83 (Linux) not 82 (swap/solaris)
15:10<enouf>dgodfather: use the arrows to select sda6, move the cursor over to [Types] ..
15:10<dgodfather>i know but no such option
15:10<enouf>there is no option
15:10<dgodfather>OK found that
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15:10<dgodfather>it was scrolled
15:10<enouf>dgodfather: stop
15:10<enouf>dgodfather: are you root?
15:11<dgodfather>sudo
15:11<enouf>dgodfather: did you do cfdisk /dev/sda ? exactly? or /dev/sda6?
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15:12<dgodfather>sda1 sda5 sda4 sda 3
15:12<enouf>dgodfather: hit ESC . and move to [Quit] when you want to exit without saving changes
15:12<enouf>answer my question please
15:12<dgodfather>enouf: OK i am out
15:12<enouf>of beer?
15:13<dgodfather>sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
15:13<dgodfather>out of cfdisk and beer
15:13<dgodfather>:)
15:13<enouf>dgodfather: go back in, do it again and select [write]
15:13<dgodfather>so i did it correct?
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15:14<jebuz>Hi all :)
15:14<dgodfather>enouf: so after writing 83 choose write?
15:14<enouf>dgodfather: you need to Write the changes otherwise they won't stick
15:15<jebuz>Could someone show me how to get a list of the disks on debian except "fdisk -l"
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15:15<jebuz>i cant scroll up to see
15:15<dgodfather>yes i mean, in the it's writing partition table to disk
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15:15<enouf>jebuz: try blkid, or ..
15:15<dgodfather>it said reread the table failed
15:15<dgodfather>i need to reboot to update table
15:15<enouf>jebuz: dmesg | egrep 'sd|hd|md|sr|scd' or something
15:16<jebuz>ok thanks
15:16<enouf>dgodfather: yes you will - but soon, not yet
15:16<dgodfather>enouf: OK
15:16<enouf>dgodfather: sudo file -s /dev/sda6
15:16<jebuz>egrep sd means?
15:16<enouf>it means grep -E
15:16<dgodfather>enouf: what does that do?
15:16<enouf>show me
15:17<jebuz>hmm it froze or something
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15:18<jebuz>how can i scroll up on debian?
15:18<jebuz>like i doesnt have a gui
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15:18<enouf>jebuz: cat /proc/partitions is another one to try - but lshal | grep block.device (should be installed), lshw, hwinfo, etc (these need installation likely)
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15:19<enouf>jebuz: try shift+pageup
15:19<dgodfather>enouf: i have done that.
15:19<enouf>dgodfather: sudo file -s /dev/sda6 <-- show me
15:19<Guest732>hey people wht r source list for apt ??
15:19<F-Lelo>where can I get some help with oracle's sqlplus commands? =)
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15:20<jebuz>have tried every combination i could come up with
15:20<dgodfather>enouf: /dev/sda6: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data, UUID=69d49bdf-8eda-4d09-a826-33d3b7ce5ec9, volume name "lennyImage" (large files)
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15:20<enouf>!sources.list
15:20<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
15:20<abrotman>!tell Guest732 about mirrors
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15:20<corin>Hello everyone, I've got a really obscure problem:
15:20<enouf>dgodfather: very good - ok, now, let's setup your swap file - you have 4G of RAM so we'll keep it small, like 1G, ok?
15:20<Guest732>okie is their is package for gyachi
15:20<Guest732>?
15:20<jebuz>hmm i wrote egrep sd and it froze, whats that command doing? :P if ur willing to tell
15:21<dgodfather>you sa it should be enough?
15:21<dgodfather>say
15:21<Guest732>thank s dpkg
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15:21<abrotman>Guest732: i told you know twice already
15:21<dgodfather>enouf: you say it should be enough?
15:21<abrotman>erm .. told you no
15:21<corin>I've a new-world iMac G3 (500Mhz PowerPC Processor, 512 ram, 20gig hdd), and wish to set it up as a web-browsing kiosk, ideal for public access. How easy would this be to do?
15:21<dgodfather>fine by me
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15:22<jebuz>corin: easy i guess
15:22<dgodfather>i don't think i will be using more then 4 anyway
15:22<dgodfather>:)
15:22<enouf>dgodfather: cd / ; dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=4M count=256
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15:22<corin>@Jebuz - I have the netinstall Powerpc CD, but when I set it up as a standard system, it grinds to a halt whenever I boot it up - it starts X server, but just goes incredibly slowly on the login screen (mouse movements take around 2mins to register!)
15:23<corin>so, I'm also a bit stuck with that!
15:23<corin>hence i've formatted it and have a clean slate. Got a stack of blank CDs and a fast net connection, so... any suggestions? :D
15:23<dgodfather>enouf: can you please explain to me what we just did?
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15:23<abrotman>!ppc
15:23<dpkg>i guess ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc
15:23<F-Lelo>does anyone knows how to delete a tablespace in sqlplus when you have already deleted the tablespace file before?
15:23<jebuz>hmm have no idea, corin :P
15:23<enouf>dgodfather: when?
15:23<abrotman>F-Lelo: in oracle?
15:23<F-Lelo>abrotman: yep
15:23<dgodfather>enouf: in the creation of the swap file
15:24<corin>Jebuz: haha okay :)
15:24<abrotman>F-Lelo: ask #oracle on irc.freenode.net
15:24<F-Lelo>thank you, abrotman :)
15:24<enouf>dgodfather: we made a 1GB file full of 0s
15:24<enouf>dgodfather: ls -h swapfile
15:24<enouf>dgodfather: ls -lh swapfile
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15:25<dgodfather>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.0G 2008-09-20 22:25 swapfile
15:25<dgodfather>so in file is /dev/zero
15:25<dgodfather>what is that /dev/zero?
15:25<enouf>dgodfather: so long as you have free space, we/you can easily remove and recreate that at any time .. caveat is to remember your /etc/fstab settings
15:26<enouf>dgodfather: it writes zeros
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15:26<dgodfather>enouf: just a sec i did not understand that
15:26<dgodfather>and the connection between the two sentences :)
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15:27<enouf>dgodfather: now, mkswap -L swap swapfile
15:27<Guest739>ya des français?
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15:27<abrotman>!fr
15:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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15:28<dgodfather>enouf: i did what you said, but i don't understand what it is that we are doing every step
15:28<enouf>dgodfather: well, i'm trying to explain - but i can't let us bog that down at every step
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15:28<enouf>dgodfather: let's finish, then revisit, ok?
15:28<enouf>dgodfather: we're almost there
15:29<dgodfather>ok no problem
15:29<dgodfather>enouf: ok no problem and thanks
15:30<dgodfather>enouf: so i did mkswap
15:30<enouf>dgodfather: now, fire up your favorite editor and edit /etc/fstab to reflect the changes ..
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15:30<enouf>dgodfather: sda6 is now an ext3 FS, and choose where you would like to mount it to .. say /mnt/backup <= sudo mkdir /mnt/backup
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15:31<dgodfather>enouf: do i have to mount it?
15:31<enouf>dgodfather: no
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15:31<enouf>dgodfather: and you can use whatever mount options you want for that partition in your /etc/fstab
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15:32<dgodfather>enouf: i want only root to be able to mount it i guess
15:32<enouf> /swapfile none swap sw 0 0 <-- dgodfather add a line like that for your swapfile
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15:34<dgodfather>enouf: what does sw do? as an option?
15:34<dgodfather>enouf: and how do i make only root able to mount the partition?
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15:36<dgodfather>enouf: finished doing that BTW
15:36<enouf>dgodfather: the only thing i'm not entirely certain of is you might need to replace "none" with "swap" there
15:36<dgodfather>enouf: in the mount point?
15:36<enouf>dgodfather: you could use sw, or you could use defaults, IINM
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15:36<enouf>dgodfather: in your /etc/fstab settings
15:37<enouf>entries*
15:37<dgodfather>enouf: used sw for the backup partition
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15:37<dgodfather>so what now?
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15:39<dgodfather>enouf: and what's next?
15:39<enouf>dgodfather: wait what?
15:39<enouf>pastebin your /etc/fstab dgodfather
15:39<dgodfather>enouf: i said wait?
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15:39<enouf>no, i said wait .. then what
15:39<enouf>dgodfather: wait ... what? better?
15:40<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m1d5f1074
15:41<dgodfather>enouf: is the file looking good?
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15:41<jebuz>hmm, mdadm -d /dev/md-0 is that right?
15:41<enouf>dgodfather: ok, http://pastebin.com/m44e8f415 i made three changes, can you see them?
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15:42<jebuz>md0 :)
15:42<enouf>dgodfather: a) you do NOT use /dev/XXX as a mount point, so i changed that sda6 to "/mnt/lennyImage"
15:42<enouf>dgodfather: sudo mkdir /mnt/lennyImage
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15:43<enouf>dgodfather: b) i changed the 'none' in your swapfile line to 'swap'
15:43<dgodfather>enouf: of course my mistake didn't notice i wrote /dev
15:43<dgodfather>and i already mkdir'd /mnt/lennyImage
15:43<dgodfather>enouf: my swap partition was none
15:43<enouf>dgodfather: c) i chnaged your mount options area for /dev/sda6 ext3 from 'sw' to 'defaults,noauto'
15:44<enouf>dgodfather: now, let's see what free -m | grep Swap says now (all 0 0 0 ??)
15:44<dgodfather>enouf: OK changed all that
15:44<dgodfather>we didn't reactivated Swap
15:45<dgodfather>reactivate
15:45<enouf>dgodfather: now; sudo swapon -a
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15:45<dgodfather>Swap: 1023 0 1023
15:45<enouf>bingo
15:46<enouf>dgodfather: also, cat /proc/swaps will show it
15:46<dgodfather>so now all that is left to do is understand everything we did, and go create the image i wanted
15:46<dgodfather>to /dev/sda6
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15:47<enouf>dgodfather: no, you want to reboot fully and make sure the partitionID from rthe cfdisk we did stuck - then test out your mount options and locations , and then .. you can mess with making your image
15:47<enouf>dgodfather: remember the cfdisk warning?
15:47<dgodfather>OK but only after i understood what we did :)
15:47<dgodfather>so i will reboot now hopefully back in and come say hello
15:47<enouf>dgodfather: also - i forget if defaults will override noauto or not
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15:48<dgodfather>enouf: what/
15:48<dgodfather>?
15:48<enouf>once rebooted fully , "mount" will show you if it automounted (not to mention dmesg would as well as logs)
15:48<hannken>it's normal i cannot find any results with synaptics search for ipw3945 with lenny repos ?
15:48<dgodfather>enouf: so shell i reboot now?
15:48<enouf>dgodfather: yes
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15:49<dgodfather>see you soon
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15:49<enouf>ok .. i can't wait
15:49<enouf>:-P
15:49<jebuz>if i mount a hardware raid inside a software raid and the software raid crashes, that will affect my hardware raid also right? i know this has nothing to do with debian but.
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15:52<dgodfather>enouf: i don't think it mounted automatically
15:52<enouf>dgodfather: df
15:52<enouf>dgodfather: mount
15:52<enouf>either will show if it did or not
15:52<enouf>dgodfather: cat /proc/mounts
15:53<dgodfather>this is what makes me think it didn't
15:53<enouf>ok, now try to mount it manually
15:53<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/ma239151
15:53<enouf>dgodfather: ok, now try to mount it manually
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15:54<dgodfather>yep mounted now
15:54<enouf>dgodfather: file -s /dev/sda6 and ls -l /dev/disk/* look at (/by-label and /by-path mainly) and see if it all makes sense now
15:54<enouf>dgodfather: ok, good - you're all see
15:54<enouf>set*
15:54<dgodfather>enouf: so should i do the file -s?
15:55<enouf>dgodfather: it's just a way to check things
15:55<enouf>it doesn't matter now that you;ve mounted it
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15:55<dgodfather>OK, so can we please go over what we did and explain to me
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15:56<dgodfather>so i learnd something for next time
15:56<dgodfather>learn
15:56<enouf>dgodfather: just beware, if and when you want to copy your partition, you want to exclude atleast these -> /dev , /sys, /proc , /swapfile
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15:57<enouf>dgodfather: well - ok, but i thought you got most of it - maybe not .. i'll try, but i have to run soon
15:57<dgodfather>enouf: i wan't only the / and /boot partitions
15:57<enouf>dgodfather: you have no /boot partition
15:57<enouf>oh wait
15:57<enouf>my bad
15:57<dgodfather>it's ok i did get most of it but i wont to understand a bit more
15:57<enouf>i guess that's sda4, eh?
15:57<dgodfather>enouf: yep sda4
15:58<enouf>yeah, i see the /etc/fstab again now
15:58<dgodfather>BTW why exluce /dev /sys etc..?
15:58<enouf>dgodfather: you mean "want" to understand .. won't == will not .. just clarifying constructively
15:58<dgodfather>aren't they important for image?
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15:59<dgodfather>of course
15:59<dgodfather>:)
15:59<dgodfather>typos
15:59<dgodfather>thinking one thing writing another
15:59<enouf>dgodfather: no, the 1st 3 are virtual filesystems, and udev populates /dev upon every boot, and you don't copy your /swapfile
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16:00<enouf>dgodfather: so, go back, what do you want to know? hit the man pages for all the tools we used
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16:00<dgodfather>the problem is i don't have the history since i rebooted
16:01<enouf>dgodfather: the irc .. oh. ok .. hrm - you should've saved to log - i guess i can pastebin for you .. wait a minute
16:01<dgodfather>if you can send me the protocol, i will go and check it out in man pages
16:01<dgodfather>enouf: 10x
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16:03<glasya>Tried to install xmms just now and it's not in the repo's (testing); found these two links through google but they don't shed much light for me : ( ( http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms.html , http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080310T223933Z.html ) does anyone here know why xmms was removed and if it will be introduced again?
16:03<strikr>just a general file system question. How does Windows deal with ext3.
16:05<avu>glasya, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html
16:05<avu>glasya, it will not be introduced again
16:06<enouf>dgodfather: pm
16:09<dgodfather>enouf: thank you man you are the greatest you helped me a lot
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16:09<dgodfather>how long does it take to become such advanced user?
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16:09<glasya>funny how "considerations for 'xmms' removal from debian" lists the popularity of bmpx and audacious when both of them are ranked lower than xmms : /
16:10<enouf>dgodfather: you're welcome - it's not too advanced, mostly just experience
16:10<dgodfather>well hopefully i will get there
16:11<enouf>dgodfather: you do it a few times till you get a bit comfortable - but the less you use it, the more you think twice before committing (hitting Enter button ;-))
16:11<enouf>dgodfather: you will ..
16:11<dgodfather>well 10x again and gnight
16:11<dgodfather>i will go make my image
16:12<glasya>Oh, and avu thank you for the link
16:12<glasya>almost forgot -.-
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16:16<dgodfather>enouf: one small metter, i found a folder in my home folder of the user that is called "file:"
16:16<dgodfather>what might have created that?
16:16<kdas>any one know why bitchx and menumaker not in aptitude (ftp.debian.org) ?
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16:17<dgodfather>inside it there is again home/dgodfather
16:17<dgodfather>but empty
16:17<enouf>dgodfather: i don't know - could be anything
16:17<dgodfather>something we did?
16:17<enouf>i don't think so
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16:17<enouf>check the date
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16:18<enouf>'stat file:' look at
16:18<enouf>ctime, mtime, atime
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16:19<dgodfather>ctime mtime 18:46
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16:19<dgodfather>guess not what we did here
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16:19<dgodfather>it's 23:19 here now
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16:20<dgodfather>ok i am off 10x
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16:20<kdas>is there any one here other then you 2 ?
16:20<kdas>lol
16:20<enouf>no
16:20<kdas>i thought so!
16:20<enouf>i've replicated myself 600x
16:20<enouf>:-p
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16:21<kdas>thats 31337 lol
16:21<kdas>enouf, i got 2 questions if you don't mind..
16:21<enouf>ask the channel - i'm off for a bit
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16:21<kdas>1. i am not seeing menumaker or bitchx in aptitude i am using ftp.debian.org
16:21<kdas>ok well have fun
16:22<kdas>2. i apted iceweasel but when i type iceweasel in xterm it dosent do anything
16:22<kdas>... any one ?
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16:22<patrick>Hi
16:22<kdas>Hi
16:22<patrick>Can anyone help me?
16:23<kdas>Can anyone help me?
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16:23<kdas>!tell patrick about asking
16:24<enouf>kdas: i don't think bitchx is in the repos
16:24<enouf>~$ apt-cache search bitchx
16:24<enouf>pork - Console-based AOL Instant Messenger & IRC client
16:24<patrick>I've installed debian but I think I've typed the pass for root wrong.
16:24<enouf>!bitchx
16:24<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by its upstream authors, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
16:24<kdas>enouf, ok i though that i just configed my repos wrongly
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16:25<kdas>!iceweasel
16:25<dpkg>it has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
16:25<enouf>kdas: is the binary named iceweasel?
16:25<patrick>Is the anyway to get root privileges without typing the pass?
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16:25<enouf>kdas: dpkg -L iceweasel | grep bin
16:25<kdas>enouf, well i apt-get install iceweasel and yes iceweasel is the binary
16:26<Nemoder>patrick: you can use sudo if it was already configured for your user, otherwise you'll have to reboot with a rescue disc and reset the root pass
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16:26<kdas>enouf, yea its firefox and iceweasel
16:27<patrick>oh well.
16:27<patrick>Thanks anyway
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16:28<enouf>kdas: maybe your PATH, if not, strace it
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16:28<kdas>enouf, when i run iceweasel in console(no X) i get a proper "this can't be ran in console" error msg
16:28<enouf>"which iceweasel" ; "whereis iceweasel" .. you know the drill
16:29<kdas>enouf, but when i run in xterm it just dosent do anything
16:29<enouf>echo $PATH .. i never used iceweasel - any remote ssh -X going on?
16:30<enouf>strace it
16:30<enouf>i might as well talk to the wall
16:30<kdas>why ?
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16:31<kdas>ok on strace iceweasel i get floods of text what exactly am i looking for ?
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16:32<kdas>enouf, what web browser you use?
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16:34<enouf>kdas: links2
16:35<kdas>enouf, me too :) but i figured to use iceweasel in X cuz links2 don't look perdy in xterm
16:35<kdas>enouf, you use an console irc client ?
16:35<enouf>what?
16:36<kdas>enouf, what irc client you use ?
16:36<enouf>when you fire up links2 from an xterm, the xterm is non-existant (for all intents and purposes)
16:36<enouf>i use links2 -g
16:36<enouf>try xlinks2
16:37<kdas>enouf, ... one second
16:38*enouf has gotta run .. laterz
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16:40<kdas>enouf, i was using links not links2 DUH!!... thanks
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16:42<patrick_>Hi
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16:43<kdas>enouf, if you don't mind would you pm me the applications you use for irc,window manger,etc because you seem to be the type a person that chooses cool stuff
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16:46<tensop>anyone ever run into an issue where everything seems to be using way too much processing time to complete a task
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16:46<tensop>eg, just dragging around a window in xorg uses 30% cpu usage
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16:47<abrotman>there could be many reasons for that
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17:02<kdas>enouf, :9
17:02<racional>algum brasileiro?
17:02<abrotman>!br
17:02<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:03<kdas>!fr
17:03<dpkg>rumour has it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
17:03<pinnacle>hi, I would appreciate some help with a problem I have. I'm trying to set up a server and made a clean install of Debian Etch. Now when I try to 'apt-get update' or use aptitude at all, I get an error message telling me that some index files failed to download bla bla.
17:03-!-Flix [~loeken@ua-83-227-198-61.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #debian
17:03<abrotman>pinnacle: try another mirror
17:04<pinnacle>I tried the us mirror, I cannot even install from my cd
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17:04<kdas>pinnacle, check your repos
17:04<pinnacle>I can post them here, going to copy it, 2 sec.
17:04<abrotman>pinnacle: does your intarweb work from the machine at all ?
17:04<Flix>Hey, I cant install the latest nvidia drivers to lenny! Anyone know howto?
17:04<pinnacle>abrotman: yes, it should.
17:04<kdas>!tell pinnacle about pastebin
17:05<kdas>Flix, you can't or don't know ?
17:05<abrotman>!nvidia lenny
17:05<dpkg>The nvidia drivers aren't in lenny. You can install them by getting them from unstable. To install them anyway, try following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and don't miss the Current issues section. You may setup a quick testing/unstable mix.
17:05<Flix>kdas: Ive followed a couple of guides, but it just dosent work as well as the guide tells me it should...
17:06<pinnacle>kdas: http://paste.debian.net/17632/
17:06<pinnacle>I made a clean install as well, so can there be anything wrong with the repos?
17:06<Flix>I know, first, I download drivers from official nvidia.com/drivers then I turn off xserver and such, but I get a error in the installation...
17:06<kdas>Flix, you need to provide more detail then "i tryed but its broken now"
17:07<kdas>pinnacle, one second.
17:08<kdas>pinnacle, try replacing etch with stable ;)
17:08<pinnacle>nop, didn't work :/
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17:09<Flix>kdas: Im trying but Im pretty new to Debian, sorry but Im freaking out a little =/ It says something like "No matching precompiled kernel interface was found" in the installation, and then it stops
17:09<pinnacle>any idea how I can make sure that I actually got a connection?
17:09<abrotman>telnet ?
17:09<kdas>pinnacle, that helps LOL, try ping google.com
17:09<pinnacle>pong: unknown host www.google.se
17:09<pinnacle>:p
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17:10<kdas>pinnacle, there you go ;)
17:10<pinnacle>ah, how weird. The installation found the DHCP server and everything
17:10<kdas>Flix, just apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv
17:11<pinnacle>how do I get a connection?
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17:11<Flix>Thanks, I will try that
17:11<pinnacle>tried 'dhclient eth0'
17:11<kdas>pinnacle, first ifconfig eth0 down
17:12<pinnacle>eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device
17:12<kdas>Flix, yea its not really a good idea to mix around stable testing and unstable on one system
17:12<kdas>pinnacle, your nic car is not being recognized then.
17:13<Flix>"xserver-xorg-video-nv is already the newest version."
17:13<pinnacle>why, I had connection during the installation..
17:14<kdas>Flix, then that should work, unless you are trying to play games or something
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17:15<pinnacle>kdas: any ideas?
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17:15<kdas>pinnacle, try quick reboot, and if that don't work we will work from there
17:15<Flix>Well...It dosent work =/
17:15<pinnacle>alright
17:15<kop>pinnacle : You want to check out /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent_net_rules (iirc) and change the device name (or something) there. If you delete the file that'd probalby work too.
17:15<kdas>Flix, what dosen't work ?
17:16<Flix>the installation of the latest nvidia drivers, thats my problem
17:17<kdas>Flix, what is not working in X though? why do you want update?
17:17<pinnacle>kdas: i've restarted the system now. The z25 file doesn't seem to exist
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17:18<Flix>I want to play games + install the extra "eye candy" for the desktop, compiz-fusion and stuff, and therefore I wanted to install nvidia drivers, and the installation dosent work =/
17:18<kop>pinnacle : z25_persistent-net.rules
17:19<pinnacle>that file is also empty
17:19<kdas>Flix, talk with kop he knows more then me
17:20<kop>pinnacle : kdas is right, your nic's not recognized. What version of debian are you running? (ifconfig does not show eth0, right?)
17:20<pinnacle>ok found it.
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17:21<pinnacle>Etch, I downloaded the netinst image just an hour ago
17:21<pinnacle>so the latest I guess :)
17:21<kop>pinnacle : What does ifconfig say about what interfaces exist?
17:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 320] by debhelper
17:22<pinnacle>it posts some lines, but no name of any interfaces I think
17:22<pinnacle>I can pastebin it, but it'll take a while to write down
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17:23<kdas>kop, i set up my interface file to auto connect to my wireless router but it doesn't seem to work you wanna check out my interface file?
17:23<kop>pinnacle : Don't bother. There's a section for each interface, beginning with lo, what's the interface names?
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17:23<pinnacle>lo Link encap:Local Loopback
17:23<kop>kdas : I'm afraid I'm clueless when it comes to wireless. Sorry.
17:23<kdas>kop, ok no problem
17:23<kop>pinnacle : There's not more sections later for, say, eth1?
17:24<pinnacle>nop, just one
17:24<pinnacle>only one lo
17:24<pinnacle>oh boy, is this complicated? :-(
17:24<kop>pinnacle : Ok. So the nic's not recognized. What kernel does "aptitude search ~ilinux-image" say you've installed? Not the etchnhalf one, right?
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17:25<kop>pinnacle : Not really. The installer has a newer kernel, I think. There's a newer one in etch these days for newer hardware, but you have to tell the installer to install the etchnhalf kernel.
17:25<pinnacle>there's two of them: linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image.2.6.18-6-amd64
17:26<kop>pinnacle : Ok. Now we only need to get you the etchnhalf kernel.
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17:27<pinnacle>how do I do that?
17:28<kop>pinnacle : You should be able to boot from the netinstall cd in rescue mode. Then you "chroot /target" (I think!) and "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf". Then type "exit" and "exit" and tell the installer to reboot.
17:28<kop>pinnacle : Or, is there another os on the box that you can get to?
17:28<pinnacle>only windows
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17:29<kop>pinnacle : Can you see the ntfs filesystem from within linux?
17:29<pinnacle>don't think so. Installed it just an hour ago
17:29<kop>pinnacle : (The MS windows fs?)
17:29<pinnacle>and it's without Desktop environment
17:29<kop>pinnacle : Type "mount" and see if something's mounted ntfs.
17:30<pinnacle>nop, no ntfs
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17:31*kop thought the installer setup access to existing MS Windows partitions. Guess not.
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17:31<pinnacle>kop, shall I use rescue mode?
17:31<kop>pinnacle : Do you know what partition has your C: drive?
17:31<pinnacle>sda1 I guess
17:32<pinnacle>or maybe sda2
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17:32<kop>pinnacle : Thing about rescue mode is I forget exactly where it mounts your partitions. Wait. I think there's a menu item in rescue mode that says "shell". And if you use that it takes care of things. I think.
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17:32<kop>pinnacle : Once you're in rescue mode I don't know you've irc.
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17:32<pinnacle>aha I see. Well, i'm using IRC on my laptop
17:32<abrotman>hehe
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17:33<kop>pinnacle : Your root fs will be mounted somewhere, probably on /target You want to use "chroot" to be "in" the regular root filesystem.
17:33<kop>pinnacle : Ok then, you can still get help while in rescue mode?
17:33<pinnacle>yes
17:33<kop>pinnacle : Ok. Do it.
17:34<pinnacle>kk
17:34<Flix>When I try to install latest nvidia driver I get error "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel" the installer wants to download from nvidia ftp site but it cant, then the installation fails! Maybe you could help me kop?
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17:34<pinnacle>which parameter should I use to boot into rescue mode by the way?
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17:36<pinnacle>np, found it
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17:39<kop>Flix : Sorry, I don't use anything proprietary. It's too much of a pain. There's some sort of nvidia open source driver in debian, but I'm not familiar. You could try asking on #debian on freenode.net if you get no help here.
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17:39<pinnacle>kop, i've typed 'chroot /target' now. However, I still cannot download the package.
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17:40<kop>pinnacle : You went through all of the rescue mode menu items to setup the network and such?
17:40<Flix>aight, well thanks anyway
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17:42<pinnacle>kop, not sure. It did the DHCP step successfully though
17:42<kop>pinnacle : So if you type "ifconfig" you see eth0 showing up?
17:43<pinnacle>Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory) Limited output.
17:43<kop>pinnacle : Maybe you should type "exit" and get out of the choot and then see.
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17:44<kop>pinnacle : (chroot)
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17:44<pinnacle>kop, ah now it works and there's eth0 as well
17:45<pinnacle>aptitude and apt-get is not found now instead
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17:45<kop>pinnacle : pinnacle : You need to chroot to get aptitude working (so it puts stuff in the right place.)
17:46<kop>pinnacle : (You could chroot, download the .deb and reboot and install later, but why?)
17:46<pinnacle>but then I get the other error, that aptitude doesn't work
17:46<kop>pinnacle : What's the error? (Maybe the chroot's not right??)
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17:47<pinnacle>Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.sv.debian.org stable/main Packages (...) stat (2 No such file or directory)
17:47<pinnacle>maybe ftp.sv.debian.org doesn't exist, I remember editing it before :/
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17:48<norbert_>$ sudo -i mkdir /var/log/something
17:48<norbert_>I adviced someone to do that (because of some irrelevant reason)
17:48<kop>pinnacle : That's exactly the problem.
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17:48<pinnacle>argh, have to reboot and edit then :((
17:48<pinnacle>2 sec
17:48<norbert_>and he gets: /bin/mkdir: /bin/mkdir: cannot execute binaryy file
17:48<kop>pinnacle : You need to (chroot and) use nano or pico or something to edit /etc/apt/sources.list.
17:48<norbert_>I don't get that... any ideas?
17:48<kop>pinnacle : No need to reboot. You just chroot.
17:49<pinnacle>kop, too late :p
17:49<pinnacle>kop, but I couldn't edit it trough chroot, i tried
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17:50<kop>pinnacle : A chroot should just use the running kernel and the disk hierarchy you chroot-ed into.
17:51<kop>norbert_ : Maybe a intermediate dir is not there?
17:51<norbert_>/var/log/ ?
17:51<norbert_>that would be strange...
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17:52<kop>norbert_ : -i says "be the running user". Maybe something in the setup scripts are removing access, somehow?
17:53<pinnacle>kop, now it worked. I'm installing the new linux-image right now..
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17:53<norbert_>kop: yeah, I'll tell him to try it without the -i
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17:54<pinnacle>so it should just work now with the new image, or?
17:54<kop>norbert_ : Or something really wrong and everything's not mounted.
17:54<kop>pinnacle : Should just work.
17:54<kop>pinnacle : You probably could have re-installed by now. :-P
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17:55<norbert_>kop: it works without the "-i", thanks for the suggestion
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17:56<pinnacle>kop: ok, going to try it now. Thanks for helping.
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17:56<kop>pinnacle : Let's see if it works. (Should, but there's always another problem on the horizon.)
17:57<pinnacle>kop: damn, it doesn't seem to work. > ifconfig doesn't show eth0
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17:59<kop>pinnacle : You're running the new kernel. (uname -a)
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17:59<pinnacle>Linux systemname 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 SMP Tue... x86_64 GNU/Linux
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18:00<kop>pinnacle : Ok, that's it. But ifconfig still says just "lo" for the devices?
18:00<pinnacle>yes, there's just a lo and some lines. Nothing else.
18:00<kop>pinnacle : We should have done "uname -a" when running the installer to see what it's running. :-( So....
18:00<pinnacle>what about that z25 file kdas told about earlier
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18:01<kop>pinnacle : The z25 file keeps track of the mac address of the nic and makes sure that the same mac always goes with the same ethN device name. So, not applicable.
18:01<pinnacle>ok :(
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18:02<kop>pinnacle : lspci shows the device, right?
18:02<kop>pinnacle : You may need an even newer kernel. (drat Always annoying.)
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18:03<kop>pinnacle : Lemme check backports.org for newer kernels.
18:03<pinnacle>I don't know the device name
18:03<pinnacle>alright
18:04<kop>pinnacle : There should be something in the description that indicates it's a nic, if you know the vocabularly. (like "Ethernet controller:" ;-)
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18:05<pinnacle>Ah, there. Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
18:05<kop>pinnacle : In the past, I've gone to the newer version of debian in your situation. But I don't like that solution. backports.org is better.)
18:05<pinnacle>kop: I don't really understand though. Doesn't the netinstall CD install the newest version of Debian?
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18:07<kop>pinnacle : There's 3 debian versions. The default is "stable", which I like because it just works.
18:07<kop>!testing
18:07<dpkg>testing is probably a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target>.
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18:08<pinnacle>what's the difference between the kernel I had and etchnhalf then?
18:08<kop>pinnacle : Lots of people run lenny, but sometimes it will break. And the security support is not _guarenteed_.
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18:09<kop>pinnacle : etchnhalf is newer. Now you need what backports.org has. That's bound to work. (We could see what the installer's using and use that, but why not use something supported?)
18:09<pinnacle>kop: I see. Well, what should I do? chroot again?
18:10<kop>Yes, but first we need to read the instructions at backports.org. At minimum another line in sources.list is required.
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18:12<pinnacle>you mean this? http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
18:12<kop>pinnacle : Humm, seems easy. You'd want (after chroot): aptitude -t etch-backports install linux-image-2.6-amd64
18:12<kop>pinnacle : Right. Step 1 is all that's required.
18:14<kop>pinnacle : (While your at it, when booted in rescue mode type "uname -a". I'm curious what the installer's running.)
18:14<pinnacle>yeah
18:14<pinnacle>it says: Linux debian 2.6.18-6-amd64
18:15<pinnacle>damn, I forgot to add the repository. It takes so much time to boot into the rescure cd :-(
18:15<kop>pinnacle : Why can't you edit?
18:15<pinnacle>it says: Error opening terminal: bterm.
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18:15<pinnacle>last time I had to start the system to change sources.list
18:17<kop>pinnacle : Ah, I've had that before. It means that it'll bumble the terminal positioning and cursor control. I've ignored it by typeing "export TERM=vt100", but then the editor might not work so well.
18:17<kop>pinnacle : There might possibly be a rescue mode menu item to change sources.list, but then again, maybe not.
18:18<pinnacle>kop: well, that worked, but it's like you said quite messy
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18:20<pinnacle>kop: I think I managed to edit the sorces.list file though. Now I need a GPG key
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18:21<kop>pinnacle : You dont _have_ to have it. You do want it though. Back to backports.org for instructions.
18:23<kop>pinnacle : (I swear the gpg key instructions were in my face the last time I used backports.org)
18:23<pinnacle>kop: Ah, didn't see the GPG instructions before. Got it to work
18:24<pinnacle>i'm installing the new kernel right now..
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18:24<kop>pinnacle : I still don't see them. Where are they?
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18:25<pinnacle>kop: if you scroll down to the bottom on the instructions page
18:26<pinnacle>kop: before I reboot now, is there something else I need to do on the rescue CD?
18:26<kop>pinnacle : Nothing I can think of. (It's really running 2.6.18?)
18:27<pinnacle>hmm let's see. Setting up linux-image-2.6-amd64 (2.6.26+15~bpo40+1)
18:28<pinnacle>> uname -a, 2.6.18-6
18:30<pinnacle>kop: that's correct I guess?
18:33<pinnacle>ah well, i'll reboot and see if it work.
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18:33<kop>pinnacle : I suppose so. Yup, try reboot.
18:34<pinnacle>lol, it still doesn't work
18:35<pinnacle>uname -a = 2.6.26-bpo.1-amd64
18:35<kop>pinnacle : I must be missing something fundamental....
18:36<pinnacle>kop: I use Debian on my laptop as well. Should I install a kernel manually from backport on that as well manually?
18:36<kop>pinnacle : If you "dmesg | less" there's nothing in the output that would indicate a problem. ('/eth' searches for eth)
18:36<kop>pinnacle : You only want backports if you want stuff that's newer for some reason. I tend to wait for the next release, but sometimes that's not possible.
18:37<pinnacle>kop: I see. Shall I type "dmesg | less" ?
18:37<kop>pinnacle : Sure
18:38<kop>pinnacle : There's also looking at /var/log/messages
18:38<pinnacle>I get a lot of data
18:38<pinnacle>don't understand any of it :p
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18:40<kop>pinnacle : Is there a bios update for the mobo?
18:40<pinnacle>kop: mobo, what's what?
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18:41<kop>pinnacle : See: http://readlist.com/lists/vger.kernel.org/linux-kernel/89/447095.html
18:41<kop>pinnacle : motherboard
18:41<kop>pinnacle : gottago
18:41<pinnacle>:((
18:41<pinnacle>is it really this complicated to get the network card to work?
18:41<pinnacle>it works on the CD after all.. :/
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18:42<zem>hi. what driver to install for ati cards?
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18:43<zem>i used envy but i don't have direct rendering
18:43<zem>it's etch
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18:47<abrotman>envy isn't supported
18:47<abrotman>and is generally a bad idea
18:47<abrotman>!tell zem about fglrx one-liner
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18:49<goshawk>zen, what kind of ati do you have?
18:50<kop>pinnacle : You wouldn't think it'd be so complicated. :) You could boot into rescue mode and do a lsmod and see what modules are loaded and try doing "modprobe foo" to install modules manually. I can't think why they wouldn't work...
18:50<pinnacle>kop: I managed to solve it! :)
18:50<kop>pinnacle : Ok. Let's hear it!
18:50<zem>goshawk: radeon 9500
18:51<pinnacle>kop: I found this site: http://www.djcnet.co.uk/cannot-find-eth0-device.html . Typed ifconfig -a and realised that it was eth6. Replaced eth0 with eth6 in the network/interfaces file
18:51<kop>pinnacle : That's a z25 problem!
18:51<pinnacle>oh :/
18:51<kop>pinnacle : But ifconfig should show eth6. (!)
18:52<pinnacle>yes, it does now. But it didn't show eth6 before
18:52<kop>pinnacle : With the new kernel?
18:52<goshawk>you can download the propitary driver from ati's web page
18:53<pinnacle>kop: After configuring the network/interfaces file and 'dhclient eth6'
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18:53<stew>pinnacle: is it a forcedeth?
18:53<kop>pinnacle : But how did you know eth6, and not, say, eth7?
18:53<goshawk>i have a radeon x700, woks great
18:53<pinnacle>stew: what's what?
18:53<kop>stew: I think so.
18:53<pinnacle>kop: ifconfig -a
18:54<stew>pinnacle: is your ethernet card an nforce ethernet which uses the forcedeth driver?
18:54<kop>pinnacle : Is my brain bad? I thought ifconfig showed all interfaces, not just configured ones. Maybe I'm confused with another os?
18:54<stew>kop: you are thinking of 'ifconfig -a'
18:54<stew>!forcedeth mac
18:54<dpkg>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*".
18:54<pinnacle>kop: it seems it doesn't show interfaces that are down.
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18:54<pinnacle>stew: no idea actually, sounds likely.
18:55<kop>stew : I must be. (Openbsd ifconfig is always -a.) *sigh*
18:55<kop>stew : I googled pinnacle's lcpci and found a post referencing forcedeth.
18:56<goshawk>zen: http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html
18:56<kop>pinnacle : You can fix it in the z25 file, to go back to eth0. You can also reboot with the various kernels to see if you really need the one from backports.org. After booting into a kernel "ifconfig -a" will show the nic, or not.
18:57<pinnacle>rebooting now to see if it works.
18:57<kop>pinnacle : I bet the 2.6.18 supports the nic. (*sigh*)
18:58<pinnacle>kop: is there any reason to change back though?
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18:59<kop>pinnacle : It's sorta nice to be "stock" on etch, so if you've problems they're the same problems everybody else has. OTOH, newer kernels sometimes bring niceness.
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18:59<pinnacle>kop: alright, then i'll change back. Ehm, how did I do that again? : )
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19:00<kop>pinnacle : The default is on a line labeled "default" in /boot/boot/menu.lst. (The grub config file.)
19:00<kop>pinnacle : Or maybe /boot/menu.lst, I forget.
19:01<pinnacle>can't find menu.lst
19:01<kop>pinnacle : On my box, /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst
19:02<kop>pinnacle : (There's also "locate"
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19:02<pinnacle>kop: found it on /boot/grub/menu.lst
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19:03<pinnacle>kop: should I just remove the other entries? etchnhalf and backport.
19:04<kop>pinnacle : Nope. See "man update-grub".
19:04<kop>pinnacle : You could "aptitude purge linux-image..." to get rid of them if you want.
19:05<pinnacle>kop: ok, i'll remove them first.
19:06<pinnacle>kop: funny enough, it wants the CD in order to remove them..
19:06<kop>pinnacle : If you're going to get rid of the backorts.org from sources.list you may as well purge the kernel installed from there.
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19:06<kop>pinnacle : You need to remove the cd line (or comment) it in sources.list.
19:06<pinnacle>kop: ah ok, forgot that.
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19:09<pinnacle>kop: I don't think the forcedeath problem was fixed though. I got eth7 right now.
19:09<pinnacle>!forcedeath
19:09<stew>pinnacle: /msg dpkg forcedeth mac
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19:10<pinnacle>thanks
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19:11<kop> /msg dpkg forcedeth mac
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19:12<pinnacle>Now it works. Thank you very much for your help kop and stew as well :)
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19:25<PPmarcel>Hi
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19:26<PPmarcel>I try to launch pure-ftpd, but it don't works, and I get this message in my /var/log/messages: warning: `pure-ftpd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)
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19:27<PPmarcel>Iµ using an arm architecture, i wonder if armel can be 32 bit?
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19:28<juanmanuel>hey guys, is there a ntfsundelete equivalent for the recovery of deleted files in a fat32 partitions?
19:29<weasel>of course not.
19:29<weasel>an. ntfs. I have no idea
19:29*weasel read nfs.
19:30<PPmarcel>juanmanuel: Try Testdisk, maybe you will be able to recover your data on fat32.
19:31<PPmarcel>You can download it from here: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
19:31<PPmarcel>TestDisk can Undelete files from FAT filesystem (wiki)
19:32<juanmanuel>PPmarcel, I've used it in the past for recovery of deleted partitions, didn't know it can recover deleted files too, I will check that right now, thanks :)
19:34<weasel>undel was a dos Tool, so undeleting on fat should not be too hard
19:34<weasel>read the question 3 times, read it different each time.
19:35<abrotman>heh
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19:35<toNo>hola
19:35<juanmanuel>lol
19:35<toNo>dsf
19:35<toNo>hi
19:36<toNo>probando
19:36<juanmanuel>!hi
19:36<dpkg>hello, juanmanuel
19:36<juanmanuel>!tell toNo about hi
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19:36<abrotman>juanmanuel: leave the bot alone
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19:47<pinnacle>if I use openSSH on a server computer and use Putty on the client computer to make a secure tunnel to the server. Do I need to have the connection window open in Putty then?
19:47<pinnacle>Maybe a stupid question, but it feels so abstract somehow : )
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19:50<PPmarcel>pinnacle: I guess that you need to have a kind of software open in windows to keep this connection, as long as windows won't be able to open and use a SSH connection by itself.
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19:51<pinnacle>alright. If I were to do it in Linux it's permenant then?
19:52<pinnacle>Ah nevermind, I can try that later.
19:53<PPmarcel>Hum yes, it could be better to test it :)
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19:53<PPmarcel>But in linux, the tool is already in the system, juste open your connection with ssh, and then use it.
19:54<PPmarcel>But i never tried, so should you keep the console window open, I don't know :s
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19:55<pinnacle>I see. Any idea what the standard encryption is?
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19:59<PPmarcel>It should be RSA by default.
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19:59<PPmarcel>It's just ssh with port forwarding.
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20:01<pinnacle>PPmarcel: ok, one last question. Do you know if the ISP of the client computer can see which server I communicate with?
20:01<kop>pinnacle : Yes. See openvpn for alternatives. (Or use ssh with cygwin, but that does not address the issue.)
20:02<pinnacle>kop: but it's not really a big issue right? because the ISP cannot see what i'm doing right?
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20:02<pinnacle>like, visiting the website www.debian.org trough the tunnel
20:03<kop>pinnacle : All your IP traffic is subject to traffic analysis. Any router it passes through can tell who's talking with who, and when, and sorta how much, just not what they are saying.
20:03<kop>pinnacle : tor avoids that, but I don't know it'd work for ssh.
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20:04<pinnacle>so openvpn is an alternative if I want to hide who's talking to who as well?
20:04<pinnacle>sounds cool : )
20:04<kop>pinnacle : No. It just keeps you from having to keep windows open. You need tor, or some other routing scheme to protect against traffic analysis.
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20:06<pinnacle>ok, but SSH hides what i'm doing at least?
20:06<kop>pinnacle : Sure.
20:06<pinnacle>except which server I communicates with
20:06<pinnacle>great
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20:06<kop>pinnacle : And when you communicate, and how many bytes you send and receive. Quite a bit can be inferred from that.
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20:08<kop>pinnacle : Google the studies done regarding cell phone connectivity, which cells and when, for an example of what can be found via traffic analysis.
20:08<pinnacle>kop: yes, have to do that. It's quite interesting.
20:09<pinnacle>kop: it's not like i'm going to perform something illegal though..
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20:33<macinsloshy>can't build netatalk with apt-get build, can anyone help
20:33<macinsloshy>need to build because apt package does not have ssl by default
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20:35<francisco>#debian-sv
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20:45<T_X>hehe, the enlarging of the crypt paritition worked out pretty well
20:45<T_X>and just out of curiosity, where are the partition tables stored?
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20:46<T_X>and what is the compuer loading first when it boots a drive? the beginning of the first partition? or the boot partition?
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20:50<user01>hi, everytime i hit system --> quit the menus just disappear and nothing happens
20:50<user01>im using hardy
20:51<user01>hardy heroin
20:51<user01>oops
20:51<user01>grrrrr
20:51<user01>this is the debian forum
20:51<user01>i always forget which computer i am on
20:52<user01>nevermind ubuntu is supposed to be buggy
20:52<user01>ill be back when im in on my stable debian box, with nothing to say :)
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21:15<kdas>does anyone have experience with openbox?
21:16<kdas>when i move a window it is really choppy also when i run xfe there is no border except when maximized. any ideas?
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21:22<kdas>PING
21:24<overflow>PONG
21:24<kdas>yay!!!
21:24<kdas>overflow, know anything aobut openbox or xfe?
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21:29<path>openbox ftw :-)
21:30<path>thats what I just know
21:32<kdas>ftw?
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21:33<dmoerner>ftw = for the win, e.g. it is something good
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21:35<kdas>i see
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21:35<dmoerner>you could try asking in #openbox
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21:39<kdas>dmoerner, ;)
21:39<kdas>dmoerner, i don't know if it is openbox or nvidia drivers and openbox
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21:40<dmoerner>probably nvidia drivers
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21:42<kdas>dmoerner, :(( isn't there really good stable non free dirvers?
21:43<dmoerner>that is an oxymoron
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21:44<kdas>dmoerner, so then the open NV drivers are better then the non free
21:44<dmoerner>no 3d acceleration
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21:45<kdas>dmoerner, i know it has no 3d accel but are they more stable ?
21:45<dmoerner>depends on your card
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21:45<dmoerner>for older cards, they should be rock solid
21:45<kdas>9300m g
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21:54<kdas>dmoerner, how do i permanently set xterm font ?
21:55<dmoerner>kdas: set the font in ~/.Xdefaults
21:55<dmoerner>man xterm to find the name of the resource
21:55<dmoerner>!xdefaults
21:55<dpkg>from memory, xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically
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22:39<kdas>damn the people in openbox are dead
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23:01<Technics>teste
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23:03<gord>apt-get install alcohol-tolerance
23:04<gord>My lightweightedness is ruining me
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23:09<kdas>gord, geek! lol
23:10<gord>*sigh* rm -r kdas
23:10<kdas>lol
23:10<gord>ugh, running process
23:10<gord>kill -9 kdas
23:10<gord>rm -r kdas
23:10<gord>done
23:11<kdas>gord, i am a dir you got to use rm -rf kdas
23:11<gord>you have no soul. you are empty. rmdir kdas
23:11<abrotman>!ot
23:11<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
23:12<kdas>can some one tell me why xfe is not showing borders in openbox ?
23:12<gord>kdas, nautilus --no-desktop ftw
23:14<kdas>gord, i will try that thanks
23:14<gord>I'm too used to nautilus to change
23:15<gord>(fluxbox, btw)
23:15<kdas>gord, i use to use fluxbox but to much configing for me
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23:15<gord>kdas, menu-wise or other software?
23:17<kdas>gord, everything wise.. because it has all the lil BB apps
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23:25<gord>kdas, I'm a fan of fluxbox because it has nearly nothing when you first install it. I'm the sort of person who hates having things I don't need
23:25<gord>especially when it causes a performance loss
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23:28<kdas>gord, yea same here
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23:29<gord>kdas, How long have you been using linux for?
23:29<kdas>gord, umm all together or this last time ?
23:30<gord>ahaha, I see
23:30<gord>use it until it frustrates you enough to switch back?
23:30<kdas>gord, LOL, no it was work issue
23:30<gord>I see. How long altogether?
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23:31<kdas>gord, i starting using it when i was like 16 and then a year of strict console based linux (geek!) i was faced with a job that used windoze and at because i havent touched a win box in a year i forgot hella stuff.... soooo
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23:32<gord>kdas, I'm guessing you are 18-19
23:32<kdas>gord, lol, how old are you ?
23:33<gord>18-19
23:33<gord>:P
23:33<gord>19 in a couple weeks
23:33<kdas>gord, do i really give off that kind of vibe ?
23:33<gord>yes
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23:33<kdas>i am 22 ;)
23:34<gord>bah, practically the same
23:34<kdas>gord, i think we should take this to pm cuz it is off topic
23:34<gord>They really don't mind. the worst they'll do is spam the offtopic channel
23:35<bijan>hey everyone, i'm having an annoying problem with ipmasq
23:35<kdas>ok if anyone has problem hollar
23:36<dmoerner>just take it to ot before abrotman comes back
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23:36<kdas>bijan, tell the problem not that you have a problem
23:36<gord>"LIEK OMG GUYS IS IT CAN BE STOP HAS FUN NAO PLEES? !ot"
23:36<kdas>wtf ? lol
23:36<kdas>gord, 22 and 19 is differnt by the way
23:36<bijan>ok i can ping computers on the internet, like ping yahoo.com works, but i can't connect through http
23:36<bijan>ftp sort of works
23:37<bijan>i can telnet into a pop3 server
23:37<bijan>but http, ssh, etc. don't work
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23:37<kdas>bijan, that sounds like a dns problem
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23:38<kdas>gord, how long you been using for ?
23:38<kdas>lol
23:38<bijan>hmm, well i can do ping yahoo.com and it finds the ip address and successfully pings it
23:38<bijan>well i just switched computers
23:39<kdas>bijan, lol that don't help
23:40<bijan>i tried using the debian ipmasq package, and also tried a script from the linux ipmasq howto
23:41<kdas>bijan, you should tell the channel what exactly you are trying to do and what is not working
23:42<bijan>ok well i have my cable modem hooked up to eth0, and eth1 connected to another computer
23:42<bijan>i'm running dhcp on eth1, and the other computer is getting an ip address
23:42<bijan>the other computer can ping the server, and can ping computers on the internet, but can't connect to websites
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