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00:01<strikr>Im having file permission issues, I have 2 HDD's. Both are FAT32 and I am unable to write and execute on them. How can I fix this
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00:07<strikr>Is there software to allow me to write?
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00:09<kdas>strikr, you should be able to read and write
00:09<kdas>strikr, are you using root or sudo ?
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00:14<LL00>do you need X for xterm? what about rxvt?
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00:14<LL00>if need X, need X lib or need X running?
00:15<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
00:16<dmoerner>LL00: no, you don't need an xserver installed to get an x app like xterm or rxvt
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00:17<LL00>I just need set env xterm or rxvt?
00:18<LL00>and I can ssh with rxvt?
00:18<dmoerner>if i understand you correctly
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00:19<LL00>in fact on my server doesn't have UTF-8, I want to use urxvt through ssh from my pc
00:20<LL00>server doesn't have X
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00:20<strikr>im just using the basic account
00:21<strikr>forgot to do GUI using root
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00:27<strikr>how do I access my mounted drive when /mnt is empty?
00:29<dmoerner>strikr: use "mount" to see where its mounted. probably somewhere in /media
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00:30<strikr>Im used to Fedora where its mounted under mnt but it is under media
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00:35<dmoerner>fedora mounts under /media too nowadays
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00:53<strikr>new versions yes but I used the old fedora
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01:56<sjea>hi all
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02:12<tinin>hi guys, could you please explain me how to install kde?
02:13<tinin>I wanted to install debian + kde
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02:13<tinin>but netinstall has got gnome
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02:14<gsimmons>!tell tinin -about install kde
02:14<tinin>yeah, come on, tell
02:16<tinin>do most of the people who use debian use gnome?
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02:16<KnuckOne>no gnome, no kde ;)
02:17<KnuckOne>tinin, if you want KDE, htere is an ISO with KDE instead of gnome
02:17<KnuckOne>just down CD1-KDE
02:17<tinin>too late
02:17<tinin>is it kde4 availiable?
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02:18<KnuckOne>but not i stable
02:18<tinin>I just bought a cheap laptop linux compatible
02:18<KnuckOne>wow i type like... today
02:18<tinin>and I installed lenny
02:18<tinin>could I install kde4? KnuckOne
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02:19<KnuckOne>you need to use experimental repos
02:19<tinin>I don't know how this thing of repositories work in ubuntu
02:20<tinin>in debian ;)
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02:20<KnuckOne> if you need more infos ;)
02:20<tinin>oh thanx
02:21<tinin>Lenny backports will be available soon.
02:21<tinin>I hope they are!
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02:23<tinin>KnuckOne: could you please tell me where to get a good sources list? or some links to add repositories?
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02:25<tinin>KnuckOne oooohhh thanx ;)
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02:26<dpkg>from memory, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see See Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>.
02:26<KnuckOne>ah yeah, that was it :)
02:27<tinin>i hope it has some application to use samba yet
02:28<tinin>I want to get file from my pc, wich is the best way? samba, nfs, ssh...?
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02:29<RIVE>tinin, scp
02:29<tinin>from a linux pc
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02:30<tinin>i?ve yet tried that, RIVE, but it failed with the files that had spanish caracters
02:30<tinin>is it faster than samba?
02:31<RIVE>Yes, much faster.
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02:33<tinin>is there a way to use scp with a gui?
02:33<tinin>wit nautilus or konqueror?
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02:34<russ>Anybody know when Lenny Stable will be released. At least the month?
02:34<stew>russ: nobody can know. It will be released when it no longer has any release critical bugs
02:34<RIVE>Will be realesed when ready.
02:35<russ>Its live cd will be realy cool
02:35<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
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02:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels:
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02:37<stew>tinin: no, scp is not faster than samba, samba is faster than scp
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02:38<tinin>stew ok thanx
02:39<tinin>and also; any quick link to install latest compiz fusion?
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02:39<tinin>I would be really pleased
02:40<tinin>It's the first time I dont have to install binary drivers
02:41<RIVE>tinin, check
02:41<tinin>thanx I hope it is updated
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02:43<russ>Is KDE 3.5.10 in testing yet?
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02:45<stew>russ: no, and it'll probably never be. the 3.5.9 that is in there is 3.5.9 + most of the changes from 3.5.10 anyway, however
02:50<tinin>what is the command to upgrade?
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02:50<tinin>aptitude dist-upgrade?
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03:44<jebuz>has someone experienced some error message on debian, something with ata2. bla bla error frozen ect?
03:45<blarson>jebuz: Sounds like the message I got when a disk was dieing.
03:45<jebuz>yeah but the disk wasnt dieng, them just dropped the raid array. works fine without the array to :/
03:46<jebuz>but blarson u know any reason why it showed?
03:48<blarson>Mine took several months before it refused to work at all. Still sounds like a hardware problem with the disk to me.
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03:49<jebuz>yea its messed up, ive never had a disk failure, without using raid, only when using raid.
03:50<parecen>jebuz: can you copy the exact error message please?
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03:53<jebuz>Yeah 2 sec parecen
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04:10<cTATUK>My bug reporter doesn't work.. it's set to use default /usr/sbin/sendmail and I added myself as the Cc:, but I never received the email .. how can I get this working?
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04:19<jebuz>parecen: still there?
04:19<parecen>yes sir
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04:21<jebuz>could you point me how to look for a error log, and extract it?
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04:22<parecen>jebuz: have a look under /var/log for syslog and related
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04:30<jebuz>parecen: tried doing a "tail /var/log/error.log" but the file aint available. :S
04:31<parecen>start with the file /var/log/syslog
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04:31<parecen>jebuz: just some general info cause i need to leave the keyboard -
04:31<jebuz>ok no file there either, but ive seen that some people solved this problem by adding "irqpoll" to the kernel.
04:32<parecen>jebuz: extract the error message and feed that to Google, to see if there is a kernel related problem (with the driver for your chipset)
04:32<parecen>jebuz: if that is fine, the next thing is to poke status info of your hdd, e.g. with smartmontools
04:33<parecen>jebuz: if that gives no clue also, the next thing i would do is to try to provoke the error and take notes what exactly influences it
04:34<parecen>AFK now
04:34<jebuz>ok ty will check this :)
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04:48<dgodfather>how exactly does the system work with files? it seems i can delete a file being used by another application
04:49<dgodfather>i mean i have a java process that opens a fileStream to a file, and i can delete the file from the system whilst in windows i can't
04:49<dgodfather>i need to understand the difference so i can give a global solution to the problem
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04:57<quitte>dgodfather: be more patient to actally see answers and then find out about inodes and hardlinks
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04:58<jebuz>does not end cylinder boundary means?
04:59<cTATUK>possibly full HDD?
05:00<quitte>jebuz: the partitions are a little weird. this might be caaaaaused by havingh used dfferent fdisks on different os. or it might indicate an actual problem where the chs/lba mapping causes the disk t look differently depending on how the os accesses it
05:00<amphi>quitte: AFAIK, there's no reason a partition _must_ end on a cylinder boundary
05:00<jebuz>quitte ok so could be since the disks have been in raid and still has information on them?
05:01<quitte>amphi: right. but if it is caused by chs/lba, which is unlikely, you do have a problem
05:01<cTATUK>use cylinder numbers instead of megabytes
05:01<quitte>jebuz: yes. that sounds plausible
05:02<amphi>quitte: uhuh
05:02<cTATUK>or use the gparted livecd which will round to cylinder boundary
05:07<jebuz>well for an example look at this: sdj1 starts at 86126 and ends at 167755 and sdj2 starts at 197190 and ends on 297537.
05:07<jebuz>is that because its been on raid6 ?
05:07<jebuz>there are sdj1 to sdj4
05:07<jebuz>on sdj
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05:11<jebuz>and sdj1 says "system: unknown" and sdj2 says "system: AIX bootable" whats that really meaning?
05:12<quitte>jebuz: did you get a big box of old disks?
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05:13<jebuz>quitte: well when i bhought them them where total new, but then the array fucked up with 2 disks wich just dropped the array, them did not die, just dropped the array.
05:13<jebuz>wich is weird
05:14<quitte>jeb so you do hhhave an actual problem or you want to learn?
05:14<jebuz>i do have an actual problem
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05:15<quitte> this should help you understad wat fdisk is talking about
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05:17<jebuz>ok, reading that :)
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05:18<quitte>jebuz: also disks that come from a hardware raid array contain pretty useless data if looked at without the rest of th array or a different controller. if you could solve your problem wthout having to find out about those things go for it
05:19<jebuz>well ive tried but im not able to solve them
05:20<quitte>what exactly is your problem?
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05:21<jebuz>but i got it right on the wikipedia page calculation is (121601) x (255) x (63) = 1953520065 total blocks.
05:22<jebuz>well i dont have any problem now, just taht i wanted to now why it did like this, since i got an ata2 error and something froze (suppose it was then the 2 disks dropped the array) wich is wierd, since dropping an array without crashing or dying.
05:22<ao2>hi, is there a way to tell the init process that a kernel module should be loaded _before_ another? I mean without explicit symbol dependecy in the code. For instance I want to make ehci-hcd loads _before_ uhci_hcd. Maybe something in /etc/modprobe.d ?
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05:22<quitte>jebuz: hard or software raid?
05:22<amphi>ao2: if you add them to /etc/modules in the order you want, they should be loaded thus
05:23<jebuz>but it was mounted inside a software raid
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05:23<quitte>jebuz: then there i nothing we can do. contact the controllers vendor
05:23<jebuz>and 1 disk on the software raid dissapeard, (since its a firmware problem)
05:24<jebuz>well theres nothin wrong with the controller, and now ive added irqpoll to the kernel so will test and see if it works now.
05:24<ao2>amphi, thanks that's a good "ad interim" solution, it will do for now. I'll keep searching for a more generic solution, tho.
05:24<quitte>jebuz: having a raid array of 10 _ide_ disks sounds pretty weird to me.
05:24<jebuz>and what sounds normal to you then? :P
05:25<quitte>jebuz: hardware raid on ide even more so
05:25<quitte>jebuz: scsi
05:25<quitte>jebuz: or if you are on a budget mayb software raid on ide disks
05:26<jebuz>ok well the disks are sata, so i did buy a sata-raid card,
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05:26<jebuz>but is there scsi disks as big as 1TB yet?
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05:27<quitte>jebuz: s-ata disks can be connected to sas controllers so yes. even if they didnt exist as sas disks
05:28<jebuz>ok so best would be to change the controller then to a sas one?
05:28<quitte>jebuz: but I wouldn't rely on hw raid. the controller might break and then all your data is lost. unless you find a replacement controller that does everything right. such as firmware version for example
05:28<jebuz>true, but do you trust sw raid?
05:29<quitte>jebuz: If possible I would switch to software raid s that you don't have to rely on the vendor to figure ot what went wrong and where
05:29<jebuz>true, tahts what im gonna try now actually, so will see if it works.
05:29<quitte>jebuz: I do. and for trust you do have to make reseeeeearch. hw doesnt have intrinsic reliability
05:30<jebuz>ty for your talk and help quitte
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05:40<ao2>amphi, for reference, a more clean solution could be to put a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with something like: "install uhci-hcd /sbin/modprobe ehci-hcd; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install uhci-hcd"
05:40<strikr>instead of having to do software raids
05:41<strikr>get a 1TB hard drivetomake a backup of what you want/need every week
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05:41<strikr>Its usualy more cost effective when you count the time it takes.
05:42<quitte>strikr: raids are no replacement for a backup. all they give you is a better uptime
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05:43<zepard> people
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05:44<zepard>fo you know how to make gdm use my bash_profile
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05:52<jebuz>strikr, taht would mena i need another 10TB just for backup, and another 20TB for new backup.
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06:10<strikr>jebuz, if your not doing backups already and you claim to have 10TB I wish you the best of luck when you crash. I'll be laughing
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06:11<strikr>time to crash, later folks
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06:48<koffu>Hi ALL! May anybody solve error with enabling 3D acceleration on ATI Radeon 9800 SE?
06:48<koffu>Hi ALL! May anybody help solve error with enabling 3D acceleration on ATI Radeon 9800 SE?
06:51<enouf>koffu: hi, how's the Xorg radeon driver work? and which release/version of Debian are you using?
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06:51<koffu>Hi! I'm using Debian 4.0rc3
06:52<simonrvn>you mean r3 ?
06:52<simonrvn>and if you have security in sources.list you already already have r4
06:52<enouf>simonrvn: hi, while i see you, i was told you might know whether or not if hfs+ (hfsplus) "rw" is available/possible from linux
06:53<koffu>I'm try to use driver with xorg and from offical wevb site ati/
06:53<enouf>simonrvn: i am under the impression there is no rw support for hfs+
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06:54<koffu>Driver is the distro don't provide me 3d accel, a'm compile by howto deb packages from official ati driver
06:54<enouf>koffu: that is a desktop system? i would likely suggest you upgrade to lenny because of the newer kernel + newer Xorg and drivers .. but please wait, others might know more, and an easier fix/solution for you
06:54<simonrvn>enouf: not at this time no. it was disabled because too many people were fucking up their fses
06:55<simonrvn>that's not why no, but it was disabled. i think it got fucked during the 2.4->2.6 transition
06:55<enouf>simonrvn: haha .. ok, so at one time it was? i recall looking a while back, and never was able to find any definitive info, but also it appeared it was never allowed/enabled (specific kernel tree testing only?)
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06:56<enouf>simonrvn: ahh. that's way back then, ok
06:56<simonrvn>long story, but it did work for a while
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06:56<enouf>i see - thanks
06:56<koffu>yes, this is my home desktop system. I haven't such new hardware to upgrade to lenny, because I have'nt a lot of traffic now
06:57<enouf>koffu: i run lenny on 1999 hardware, no problem
06:57<enouf>koffu: many others run it on even older - as a matter of fact, i'm running sid/unstable on 199x hardware
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06:58<simonrvn>koffu: newness of version doesn't mean you have to have new hardware. i run linux on stuff from '96. forget the old windows/mac new == need new hardware paradigm.
06:58<enouf>koffu: you might ask in #radeon as well - hopefully they can provide more specific answers as to the state of the driver in Lenny's Xorg 7.3.x is it?
06:58<enouf>koffu: please don't PM me - thanks
06:59<enouf>koffu: speak in the channel - so all can see / learn / interact / help
07:00<enouf>koffu: sorry, #radeon in ..
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07:00<enouf>koffu: i forgot we're on here
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07:01<enouf>koffu: and may also have further info
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07:03<koffu>thanks, I try to use wiki help
07:03<enouf>koffu: it's fine, i understand - but learn how to use your irc client properly ;-) "/join ##test" or some-made-up-channel ;-)
07:04<enouf>koffu: there's also a nice mail archives you might want to read through - and maybe join the list
07:05<koffu>I try found on forums and archive lists solving my problem, but nothing
07:06<koffu>may you provide me step by step help?
07:06<enouf>koffu: i see .. hrm ... not sure how well 3D support is as of now in the newer "radeon/radeonhd/ati" Xorg drivers .. you might need to use "fglrx" eventually to get 3D support - i just don't know koffu
07:07<dpkg>methinks fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>., #ati @ See also <radeon>.
07:07<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI., For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>.
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07:10<enouf>koffu: it appears from "man radeon" you have an R350 Chip on your radeon 9800SE Graphics .. (don't pay attention to the (2D only) part) Find newer info from the various sources we talked about
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07:12<simonrvn>um, it's supported, at least sid's x
07:12<simonrvn>SUPPORTED HARDWARE The radeon driver supports PCI and AGP video cards based on the following ATI chips
07:12<simonrvn>among those the r350 ...
07:12<koffu>yes, I have Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800] (Secondary), and already have libgl1-mesa-dri in my system
07:13<enouf>koffu: i think the issue is; you need the newer Xorg from Lenny atleast - maybe sid - i'll check more too ..
07:14<simonrvn>!info xorg lenny
07:14<simonrvn>!info xorg sid
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07:14<dpkg>xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.3+16 (lenny), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 52 kB
07:14<dpkg>xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.3+17 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 52 kB
07:15<simonrvn>it'll work
07:15<enouf>Ok same versions in sid as in lenny
07:15<simonrvn>almost, just debian rev
07:15<enouf>yeah, i'm at p.d.o
07:15<enouf> lenny (testing) (x11): X.Org X server -- ATI display driver wrapper 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc sparc sid (unstable) (x11): X.Org X server -- ATI display driver wrapper 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4: alpha amd6
07:16<simonrvn>he'll be ok on lenny, no doubt. full 3d, ogl, etc.
07:17<simonrvn>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 If [Radeon 9000] (rev 01)
07:18<enouf>simonrvn: where is that info you pasted above from? man pages? it's nowhere in the "xorg", nor "xserver-xorg-video-ati" changelogs
07:18<simonrvn>yeh. man radeon
07:19<koffu>debian xserver-xorg-video-ati is provide 3D acceleration?
07:19<enouf>simonrvn: well, righto - i got it - but still - i really need to upgrade those pkgs so i can read the NEW man pages
07:20<koffu>now i'm still use xserver-xorg-video-ati
07:20<simonrvn>koffu: still on etch?
07:22<koffu>etch 4.0r3
07:22<koffu>xserver-xorg-video-ati 6.6.3-2
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07:24<enouf>koffu: glxinfo | grep -i rendering says?
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07:26<koffu>direct rendering: No
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07:27<enouf>koffu: ok .. looking around .. hang in there
07:28<enouf>koffu: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep 'ati|radeon|fglrx'
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07:29<koffu>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ , (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/
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07:29<enouf>koffu: ok ...
07:29<knoppix_>ay alguien?
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07:31<koffu>lsmod | egrep 'ati|agp|radeon'
07:32<koffu>radeon 99744 0, drm 61332 1 radeon , intel_agp 22204 0, agpgart 29896 2 drm,intel_agp
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07:33<enouf>koffu: see -->
07:33<enouf>Driver releases 6.8.* and Mesa 7.0.x 3D for R100/R200 class chips is stable, 2D stable. 3D for R300/R400 class chips support is quite stable, 2D stable. * R500/R600 class chips initial support
07:33<koffu>Xorg.log now says (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI
07:33<enouf>koffu: "For R300 and above there's also an ATIProprietaryDriver available, which is worse in many aspects but has better 3D performance and features."
07:34<enouf>koffu: the decision is up to you - but a) for Xorg's best, you need to upgrade - and if it's still not good enough with 3D, then b) you'll need to much about with fglrx (proprietary drivers)
07:35<koffu>thanks? I try to use fglrx
07:35<enouf>koffu: yes, that can be an issue - not sure why you have that - but i suggest you use apt or aptitude or synaptic (or the ati .run uninstaller) to remove any driver parts or remnants, then upgrade your system to Lenny from etch - that's my thoughts only
07:36<enouf>koffu: but wait ..
07:36<gsimmons>koffu: Out of interest, do you have the i82875p_edac module loaded?
07:37<enouf>koffu: try also asking in #debian and #radeon on
07:37<enouf>gsimmons: oh dear - i recall something about that .. gah
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07:38<enouf>was that not an fglrx issue only? I forget now
07:38<koffu>yes, I have i82875p_edac
07:39<gsimmons>koffu, enouf: For my Etch / 2.6.18 system, I was required to blacklist that module to resolve a conflict between it and intel_agp, which had disabled AGP and consequently prevented DRI initalisation.
07:39<enouf>gsimmons: yikes! . and ouch! ..
07:39<enouf>gsimmons: ok, thank you for chiming in - appreciated
07:42<koffu>I try to use xserver-xorg-video-ati, not get 3d support. Then I try to use fglrx, but get different error. Ther I try to reinstall all xorg system, and now I'm using xserver-xorg-ati
07:42<enouf>so - perhaps in "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" blacklist i82875p_edac\n blacklist edac_mc should suffice/help?
07:42<gsimmons>enouf: np. FWIW, I've no issue with DRI on a 9800 Pro (R350) using the radeon driver.
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07:44<koffu>I'm added i82875p_edac to blacklist and will try to reload X now. I use IRC on this same machine, I'll back above 3 minutes
07:44<enouf>koffu: as root; echo "blacklist i82875p_edac" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ; echo "blacklist edac_mc" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (would be how i'd do it)
07:45<enouf>koffu: ok, cool - remember, remove any/all fglrx stuffs
07:45<enouf>i forget if libgl1-mesa-dri pulls in the -glx or whatever
07:46<enouf>or vice-versa
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07:46<koffu>I try now, thanks!
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07:50<enouf>gsimmons: i can't even recall which cards (nvidia/ati) nor drivers (ati/radeon/fglrx - nv/nvidia) are supposed to use DRI or DRM or both - and where to load all that (xorg modules, kernel modules, etc) .. ugh
07:51<enouf>gsimmons: IINM, your glxinfo | grep -i rendering says-> direct rendering: Yes ?
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08:02<init07>what's the best way to detect packet sniffers on your network?
08:04<enouf>init07: sniff the sniffers?
08:05<enouf>init07: try #security ? or ##networking? (if not here, try (there's also a #debian and ##linux there)
08:05<init07>enouf, thanks .. :)
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08:10<gsimmons>enouf: There are a few pieces involved, see the DRI Wikipedia article for an overview. Yes, direct rendering is enabled. IIRC, the "nvidia" driver isn't DRI-based, but "fglrx" is. "ati" is just a wrapper for loading others (eg. "radeon"). "nv" doesn't do 3D/DRI at all.
08:11<enouf>gsimmons: thanks - this i know -> "ati" is just a wrapper for loading others (eg. "radeon"). "nv" doesn't do 3D/DRI at all.
08:11<enouf>gsimmons: nvidia proprietary drivers do indeed do direct rendering though - as i'm sure you know
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08:35<amorphous_>i'm ssh'd into a machine because the user cannot get online & I'm trying to find out what is wrong. He can't load web pages, however, I can shell in, and I can get google in links. I'm using stable.
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08:36<amorphous_>can anyone offer any ideas?
08:37<amorphous_>epiphany seems to get through ok too :/, why can users standing at the keyboard not get online if I can from here?
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08:42<abrotman>amorphous_: he can't load webpages in what?
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08:42<amorphous_>iceweasel & epiphany
08:42<amorphous_>abrotman, ^^^
08:42<abrotman>and something like .. links ?
08:42<abrotman>or links2 ?
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08:44<amorphous_>links works ok for me, abrotman hang on, i'll get him to have a look.... bear with me - could take a while... ps - thanks :)
08:45<enouf>gsimmons: nevermind my confusion; i'm also recalling and looking at how the libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} packages play a role in all this
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08:50<enouf>gsimmons: i do see how there's no mention of anything nvidia related in $ ls -l /usr/lib/dri/ output .. i believe the "nvidia" blob installs and uses it's own libGL lib for dri/drm (along with it's own kernel driver, which is made/compiled at installation time), and perhaps i'm mixing dri/drm when i shouldn't be - but nm ;-)
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08:50<enouf>no koffu yet eh?
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08:55<amorphous_>abrotman, sorted - he had firefox in offline mode & didn't read the message out properly. He claimed the message said 'could not find'. My apologies :/.... but also my thanks ;)
08:56<abrotman>smack him!
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09:03<enouf>haha - links2 has no offline mode crap ;-)
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09:05<norbert_>is it just me of is IRC (any network really) giving more time-outs than they used to?
09:05<norbert_>maybe it's my connection, but I get lag pretty quickly and usually don't last over 10 minutes on a server
09:06<parecen>norbert_: wireless networking?
09:06<norbert_>no, normal line
09:07<enouf>norbert_: this network has been unusally laggy for me lately as well
09:07<norbert_>but it's not just me, other people have ping timeouts as well
09:07<enouf>norbert_: i am wired - cable direct
09:07<norbert_>abrotman, did you get to see Stallman with shades?
09:08<enouf>i see Lag: 0.50 right now - it was always @ 0.10 for the longest time, as i recall
09:08<mendoca>hi:i'm looking for some help trying to install wifi hercules PCI54 card
09:08<norbert_>abrotman: the freenode server gave up on me over there
09:08<parecen>norbert_: thats photo editing :(
09:08<enouf>norbert_: haha at that horrible photoshop
09:08<norbert_>yeah, it's fake, obviously :P
09:09<enouf>look like someone took a Sharpie to a photo - but nicely ;-)
09:09<norbert_>we were discussing how much cooler Stallman would be with shades :)
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09:09<norbert_>he could maybe join the hell's angels or something
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09:13<enouf>mendoca: ? what's lspci -nn say about the card?
09:13<enouf>mendoca: oh, is it USB? use lsusb -v then
09:13<enouf>wait, pci54 would be a silly name then :-p
09:16<mendoca>sorry for this
09:16<mendoca>network controler ralink rt2561/rt61 802.11g PCI
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09:24<dpkg>i heard bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol, or or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root.
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09:29<frunsk>i've just paired my cell phone and my pc... but i can't send files... between them...
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09:41<kapil>frunsk: ussp-push or obexpushd depending on which direction you want to go
09:42<frunsk>kapil, i have used a gui program that did just that... but i forgot its name
09:42<fxiny>frunsk ussp-push or obexpushd ? what language is that :P
09:42<fxiny>enouf: hey
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09:43<enouf>fxiny: oi!!!
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10:15<Desert_Storm>Recently I installed Debian on my laptop
10:15<Desert_Storm>And then installed Vista on another partition
10:15<Desert_Storm>So I lost GRUB
10:15<Desert_Storm>And rescued grub
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10:15<Desert_Storm>But now, Vista is gone in boot menu
10:16<Desert_Storm>How do I recover it?
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10:16<eightyeight>Desert_Storm: create a new title in the grub menu
10:17<koffu>hi all! I'm come back. Blacklisting module i82875p_edac is solve my problem!
10:17<koffu>I have now DRI :Yes!
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10:18<Desert_Storm>How do I do that eightyeight?
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10:19<legolas>hi there, what's fedora core's latest ver?
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10:19<eightyeight>Desert_Storm: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, add a title for windows, and tell it where it's root partition is
10:19<eightyeight>legolas: f9
10:20<legolas>eightyeight, how to configure pidgin?
10:20<eightyeight>legolas: dunno. don't use pidgin
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10:20<legolas>please suggest an alternative to pidgin
10:21<Desert_Storm>In debian?
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10:21<eightyeight>legolas: what protocol are you using?
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10:21<legolas>i am new to linux, so do you mean whether i use http?
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10:22<Desert_Storm>Where do I edit it?
10:22<Desert_Storm>I mean, how.
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10:22<eightyeight>legolas: msn, aim, icq, jabber, gtalk...
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10:22<legolas>i use gtalk
10:22<eightyeight>legolas: only? then gajim or psi are better clients
10:23<legolas>thank ye
10:23<Desert_Storm>Can you tell me what to type here?
10:23<legolas>ta everyone, i sign out
10:23<eightyeight>Desert_Storm: no. i'm not familiar with your computer. basically, you need to add a "title" and a "root" under the title. google has plenty of example
10:24<Desert_Storm>root, what do I put that as?
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10:24<eightyeight>Desert_Storm: "root"
10:25<Desert_Storm>Do I need to also put "kernel" "initrd" aswell?
10:26<eightyeight>plenty other results from the google
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10:28<Desert_Storm>Cant save it
10:28<eightyeight>need to edit the file as the root account
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10:32<Desert_Storm>Thanks alot =D
10:32<Desert_Storm>Trying it out
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10:34<TBBle>Gotta install quagga on my existing Debian router. Would it be better to make quagga be in charge of the entire network stack (ie. ip settings etc, effectively retire /etc/network/interfaces) or will quagga happily accept network settings already set on the system?
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10:37<sepski>TBBle, both will work actualy. it's often more sane to have ip settings in quagga, but i like to have atleast one interface in interfaces as a fallback incase i manage to reboot while having a broken quagga config or some such mishap. if you have local access i would have it in quagga.
10:38<sepski>but ospfd will work with interfaces configured thru the interfaces file so i think you can pick and choose your favorite way
10:38<sepski>TBBle, and i should have answered that in #quagga, and you should not be so quick to double post :)
10:39<TBBle>I only thought after I posted it that #quagga would have been a better place to ask. ^_^
10:39<Desert_Storm>IT WORKED
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10:39<Desert_Storm>Thanks alot, specialy since I was pretty annoying =/
10:40<Desert_Storm>Works nicely =)
10:40<TBBle>It's a rack-installed box routing my ISP, that needs to move up to bgp. So I'd prefer safety of booting... It's my only router, so I was going to leave OSPF alone for now.
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10:41<TBBle>I guess I'm just worried that I'll start zebra and it'll drop all my existing routes because it doesn't know about them. (I have a feeling I did this exact thing years ago with that result)
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10:46<amorphous_>if i have a wireless router and I want to make a network upstairs (connecting to the wireless network downstairs) with it.... is that a bridge?
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10:50<sepski>Amorphous, usualy yes. but in the case of wireless it's more a WDS bridge or a wireless repeater
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10:54<amorphous_>sepski, thanks :) -- so wds is the keyword for my (so far) thankless google searches...
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10:54<sepski>yes knowing the keywords is gold :)
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12:03<Blaziken>hi everyone
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12:04<Blaziken>I want to configure policykit to want root password when I mount partitions on gnome instead of saying me that I'm not root. How can I configure it?
12:04<Blaziken>at "authorizations" there's nothing about mounting partitions
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12:05<Blaziken>I have Debian Lenny
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12:06<Blaziken>is anyone here?
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12:16<Czesiu>Hi. Anyone with KDE on laptop? I have problem with suspending/hibernating using kpowersave
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12:23<Kaede>Bonsoir / Hellow
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12:32<pikohn>anyone know off an office suite that has the same gui of MS office 2008 for mac?
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12:37<strikr>This is debian not mac.
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12:37<Sparky>hello everyone, I'm a new user of Debian after using RH/FC builds for 12+ years. I'm trying to install the "build essential" packages but I keep running into dependency issues.
12:37<abrotman>Sparky: aptitude install build-essential ?
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12:37<abrotman>Sparky: do you have a regular and security source in your sources.list ?
12:38<pikohn>sry just thought you guys might of heard of somthing
12:38<Sparky>let me check
12:38<Sparky>the source list is enabled in the repo list
12:39<abrotman>and you need a regular list
12:39<abrotman>erm .. regular source
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12:39<Sparky>apt-get is reporting "g++ Depends: g++-4.3 but it is not going to be installed"
12:41<Sparky>when i proceed to follow-up on the g++-4.3 dependency it reports:
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12:41<Sparky>Depends: gcc-4.3-base (=4.3.1-2) but 4.3.1-9 is to be installed
12:41<Sparky> Depends: gcc-4.3 (=4.3.1-2) but 4.3.1-9 is to be installed
12:41<Sparky> Depends: libstdc++6-4.3-dev but it is not going to be installed
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12:42<abrotman>you're missing a source somewhere
12:43<strikr>did you try installing gcc from synaptic package manager?
12:43<abrotman>not everyone uses synaptic
12:43<abrotman>Sparky: can you put your sources.list in a pastebin ?
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12:48<strikr>Its true, most people would prefer not to use synaptic but when I had issues with aptitude synaptic would install it fine.
12:48<Sparky># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080916-02:07]/ lenny main
12:48<Sparky># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080916-02:07]/ lenny main
12:48<abrotman>kind of like a pastebin ...
12:48<Sparky>deb lenny main contrib non-free
12:48<Sparky>deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
12:49<Sparky>deb lenny/updates main
12:49<Sparky>deb-src lenny/updates main
12:49<abrotman>Sparky: aptitude update && aptitude install build-essential
12:49<abrotman>do you get errors from the aptitude update ?
12:50<Sparky>it just went through.
12:50<Sparky>without error
12:51<abrotman>and did it install ?
12:51<Sparky>I have been trying to get apt to install these packages for the past 30 minutes
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12:51<Sparky>it installed successfully
12:51<abrotman>okay ..
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12:51<abrotman>remember that things in lenny are still shifting daily .. so doing an aptitude update before trying toinstall is likely a good idea
12:51<Sparky>thank you very much for the help
12:52<abrotman>though .. realistically .. it happens twice a day .. uhm .. 8am your time and 8pm i think
12:52<abrotman>erm .. wait
12:52<abrotman>got that backwards ..
12:52<abrotman>like 3pm your time and i guess 3am
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12:59<Sparky>thanks again for the heads-up on the refresh times. So far I am very pleased with Debian. FC became too bleeding edge for my liking. I wanted something more traditional and stable (hence the switch).
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13:02<abrotman>Sparky: OT: but isn't that what centos is for?
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13:03<a>Hi people I am seeking for a package in debian etch which would be something like a daybook: I would llike to make notes about certain number of items - and then to be able to view them day by day and also item by item - sort of a calendar but not exactly what is provided by the "iceowl" for example - I do not need the task schedule
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13:10<fxiny>a: running kde ?
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13:10<a>fxiny i prefer gnome
13:11<a>but can run kde as well
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13:11<daniiel>i like xfce
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13:12<fxiny>a: i use emacs for that , planner muse and so on . for daily notes i just the package "note" . kde has korganizer
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13:13<thecreator>I've got a quick question; when doing things like compiling, viewing manpages etc, I get weird symbols around quotation marks and other places. is there a way to fix that? it's really annoying. :)
13:13<a>fxiiny: i thought emacs is an editor?
13:14<fxiny>a: is almost an os :)
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13:14<fxiny>a: planner and muse are very handy
13:15<thecreator>like when I do man 2 stat, I get linux programmer(a circomflex symbol)(euros symble)(trademark symbol)s manual.
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13:16<abrotman>thecreator: some of the man pages in etch are goofed
13:17<yos87>hi, I'm trying to install madwifi on lenny to setup my wlan connection, when make, I have error , somebody can help me?
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13:17<thecreator>abrotman: it doesn't do it with just manpages, I get the same thing when compiling.
13:17<abrotman>i know
13:17<a>fxiny: thanx but I can not see how emacs can help - I know this package. As for "note" can not find it
13:17<abrotman>you can try to adjust your locales
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13:18<fxiny>thecreator: what terminal ? is uft8 unsupported by your terminal ?
13:18<ansgar>yos87: Why don't you just use the madwifi package?
13:18<fxiny>a: note is a console app , is in main > Installed: 1.3.1-4
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13:19<yos87>ansgar: you mean apt-get? package not found
13:20<dmoerner>yos87: add non-free
13:20<thecreator>fxiny: I'm using secure crt. I'm pretty sure it supports utf8. abrotman: not sure how to change the locals.
13:20<dmoerner>dpkg: tell yos87 -about madwifi
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13:23<yos87>dmoerner: how to ask dpkg about madwifi-install?
13:23<thecreator>type /msg dpkg help
13:23<yos87>dmoerner: I have non-free in my sources.list
13:24<fxiny>a: anyway i do everything with planner and muse . you fire emacs up , browse your txt docs via hyperlinks , you can publish 'em and load in a browser
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13:25<a>fxiny: ok thanx I will try
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13:26<fxiny>thecreator: help for configuring locales ? dpkg-reconfigure locales
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13:27<thecreator>ok. I'm in dpkg-reconfigure locales. what can I use in order to only show ansi characters?
13:28<thecreator>there are a ton of charsets here.
13:29<fxiny>thecreator: try this first : LC_ALL=C man 2 stat
13:29<yos87>dmoerner: it's already installed, how to setup the wireless connection?
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13:30<thecreator>wow. that worked... I don't suppose you'd mind telling me how I just fixed it? :p
13:30<dpkg>dak (also known as the debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the debian archives, including the testing scripts. See for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing(and from incoming to unstable) around 1952UTC each day.
13:30<abrotman>Sparky: ^^ .. but it runs twice a day now
13:31<thecreator>thanks a ton. :)
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13:32<fxiny>thecreator: you did not fix it : man 2 stat again , as you can see is really a locales problem . i use only en_US
13:32*thecreator nods
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13:32<fxiny>because i want mrxvt which don't support utf8
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13:32<thecreator>is there a way to set that without going through dpkg-reconfigure? that's a big ass list
13:33<benistar>hey, in which file can i find the mysql databases?
13:33<fxiny>is easy : set/unset the star with spacebar
13:33<thecreator>it shows it right, but says it can't set the locale.
13:33<Lethalman>benistar, /var/lib/mysql
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13:34<benistar>thanks, Lethalman :)
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13:35<thecreator>ouch. that seems to have broken things
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13:36<fxiny>how ?
13:36<thecreator>lots of perl errors.
13:36<yos87>dmoerner: I have error again
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13:37<fxiny>they are warnings
13:37<thecreator>can't get language, can't set local
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13:39<thecreator>is there a way to echo what LC_ALL = so I can dpkg-reconfigure locales|grep ?
13:39<fxiny>thecreator: type : locale
13:40<fxiny>thecreator: you can run LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure locales
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13:45<yos87>I cannot find my wlan device in my ifconfig
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13:46<yos87>phoenix: Hi
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13:46<Lethalman>yos87, perhaps your device is not working/recognized
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13:46<yos87>lethalman: it was there, I did some steps it's not there anymore
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13:47<Lethalman>yos87, using gnome? kde?
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13:47<Lethalman>yos87, did you remove the device then inserted it again?
13:47<Lethalman>usb? pci? give more information please
13:47<yos87>Lethalman: it's laptop, I have gnome debian lenny
13:47<thecreator>got it fixed. thanks a ton, fxiny
13:47<yos87>it's not removable
13:47<Lethalman>using network-manager?
13:48<yos87>no, I install the madwifi
13:48<fxiny>thecreator: np
13:48<yos87>and I did m-a a-i madwifi
13:48<Lethalman>yos87, i don't know then
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13:48<Lethalman>what's the output of iwconfig?
13:49<Lethalman>do you see wlan?
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13:49<yos87>Lethalman: I have only lo and eth0
13:50<Lethalman>look at your dmesg
13:50<Lethalman>yos87, if you use madwifi then you must use madwifi-tools
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13:51<dimebar>i'm on sid and everything seems up to date (GNOME 2.22.3) however the gnome-panel remains at 2.20.3 - any idea why this may be?
13:51<Lethalman>dimebar, it's the choice of the gnome maintainers
13:51<Lethalman>dimebar, it's normal it's not your system fault
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13:51<yos87>Lethalman: no wlan in my dmesg
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13:52<Lethalman>yos87, don't look for wlan but for your device messages in dmesg
13:52<Lethalman>yos87, take a look at madwifi-tools
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13:52<dimebar>Lethalman: ah, thanks :) I expected so but was wondering if I'd broken something
13:52<torrr> when I connect from MacOSX then the 'keyboard indicator' doesn't respond. Is there a way to debug it?
13:52<Lethalman>dimebar, it's not considered "stable for unstable", like kde4
13:52<yos87>Lethalman: I did ifconfig wifi0 down before
13:53<Lethalman>yos87, no idea i don't use madwifi
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13:53<yos87>Lethalman: I see thank you for the help
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14:06<Rocky>hello, I've got problem since update kernel to version 2.6.26-1-486, I get the error "driver pcspkr" is already registered... Aborting" The system starts normally, but i'm curious what's going on
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14:07<Rocky>Sorry for my english
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14:09<blarson>Rocky: There is a new alsa driver for pcspkr as well as the old one. You are probably trying to load both.
14:10<Rocky>so I should use rmmode, to remove one, or something different ?
14:11<blarson>old non-alsa one
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14:12<blarson>They won't both load at the same time, so either ignore the message or put one in the module blacklist.
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14:12<Rocky>ok I'll try
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14:28<Desert_Storm>Why doesnt Debian recognize my DVD reader?
14:28<Desert_Storm>It says it cannot mount it
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14:29<Desert_Storm>mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist
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14:32<Sparky>what does /etc/fstab report as your drive?
14:33<Desert_Storm>How do I run it?
14:34<Sparky>in a terminal run: cat /etc/fstab
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14:35<Desert_Storm>/dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
14:35<Desert_Storm>File System, Mount point, type, options, dump, pass
14:36<Sparky>what type of media is loaded into the drive?
14:36<Sparky>dvd, cd?
14:37<Desert_Storm>DVD atm
14:37<Desert_Storm>Debian DVD 1
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14:40<Sparky>what does "df" report?
14:41<Desert_Storm>How do I run it?
14:41<Sparky>in a terminal run: df
14:42<Sparky>"df" reports all the file systems that are currently mounted
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14:43<Sparky>your looking for /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 entry
14:43<Desert_Storm>So such entry
14:43<Sparky>if its not present, then run: mount /media/cdrom0
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14:47<Desert_Storm>mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist
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14:49<Sparky>run: dmesg | grep ATAPI
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15:04<pheonix>does anyone know where to get the free alternative font for the Debian logo? or where to get the font for free?
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15:13<MotoHoss>pheonix: Poppl Laudatio Condensed is not a free font. here's a link that talks about it -->
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15:23<pheonix>no similar fonts?
15:24<MotoHoss>pheonix: see here as well :
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15:25<pheonix>yes, but i am making a screensaver and I need the text to be white, otherwise you can't see the text./
15:26<Blaziken>I want to install apt-build. how do I know what arch I have?
15:26<MotoHoss>simliar font is listed t that last link I gave you.
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15:27<MotoHoss>pheonix: here:
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15:27<pheonix>thanks MotoHoss
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15:27<MotoHoss>n e time.
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15:29<rrm>!remove gnome
15:29<dpkg>methinks remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common
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16:43<dread>has anyone installed awesome 3 from experimental? If so how has it been working
16:44<dmoerner_>dread: it works fine, after all its author is a dd...
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17:08<dpkg>methinks cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at (or so says, or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup>
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17:12<chealer>dpkg: cups-unstable
17:12<dpkg>use ln -s /etc/cups/cgi-bin /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin to get cups to print in woody or sid.
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17:12<chealer>dpkg: forget cups-unstable
17:12<dpkg>chealer: i forgot cups-unstable
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17:14<chealer>dpkg: no, cups is a printing system available at or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup>
17:14<dpkg>chealer: okay
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17:20<JuNix>hello crystal
17:20<JuNix>what do you need ??
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17:28<crystal>Hi i'm new user EEE PC with Xadros
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17:30<JuNix>and what is the problem ??
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17:30<Torsten_W>the problem is, xandros is not debian
17:30<parecen>Xandros support goes to #xandros on Freenode
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17:31<crystal>Shoud I switch to xandros ?
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17:39<crystal>hey should I type /j #Xandros ??
17:40<spectral>is there a software which shows me all the information about my hardware? like Everest for "the one i can't say the name"?
17:40<craigevil>crystal: go to #eeepc
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17:41<Torsten_W>spectral: hardinfo
17:41<spectral>Torsten_W: nice. where can i download it?
17:41<Torsten_W>spectral: apt-get install hardinfo
17:41<Torsten_W>or dmidecode
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17:42<spectral>hwinfo worked :)
17:42<Torsten_W>hardinfo works to
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17:42<spectral>i wrote apt-get cache search hardinfo and didn't find hardinfo
17:43<Torsten_W>it's in testing and sind, if it is in etch, i don't know
17:43<spectral>oh yea, it is etch in here
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17:44<jandd>spectral: apt-cache search hardinfo
17:45<spectral>i did it but i only find with apt-cache search hwinfo then apt-get install -y hwinfo :D
17:45<jandd>spectral: hardinfo is not available in etch
17:45<spectral>that's why
17:45<spectral>isn't there a GUI for this program?
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17:47<spectral>is there a command to see my cpu temp in ºC?
17:48<benistar>acpi -t
17:48<spectral>"command not found"
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17:49<blarson>spectral: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM*/temperature
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17:49<spectral>"file or directory not found"
17:50<abrotman>!whats my hardware
17:50<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!
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17:52<chealer>spectral: not directly. are you sure your PC has a CPU temp sensor?
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17:53<spectral>i think so. on "the one i can't say the name" i had a program that showed me all the informations about my hardware
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17:53<spectral>including my cpu, motherboard and hd temp
17:55<abrotman>lmsensors ?
17:56<chealer>spectral: is your PC a desktop or laptop?
17:56<chealer>spectral: try lm_sensors
17:57<spectral>nothing happened
17:57<enouf>spectral: uname -r
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17:57<spectral>well... alright, forget about the cpu temp. i'll try to find some script for conky that shows it
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17:58<enouf>spectral: you want to ensure (atleast) these modules are loaded thermal, processor, fan - i would think - you want to install acpi* pkgs
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17:59<enouf>depending on kernel, will depend which pkgs are for you ... i2c stuff might also be needed/wanted
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17:59<spectral>enouf: uname -r returned 2.6.18-6-686
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18:01<enouf>spectral: ok, that's etch's kernel
18:01<spectral>enouf: right. and what acpi*pkgs should i download? and where to download it? :P
18:01<enouf>spectral: when you see command not found, try as root or sudo
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18:02<enouf>spectral: apt-get update ; apt-cache search *acpi
18:02<enouf>spectral: apt-get update ; apt-cache search ^acpi
18:02<enouf>!tell spectral -about grounding
18:03<enouf>spectral: i see lmsensors (lm_sensors?) was mentioned, that too might help
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18:03<spectral>i found acpi
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18:04<spectral>"No support for device type: thermal"
18:04<enouf>chealer: i saw your bug the other day pertaining to the nv driver, certain nvidia 86xx card and KDE/kdm and even xdm?
18:05<enouf>chealer: it's funny, when i had the nvidia blob installed, i had behaviour such as yours, but i'm on much older hardware, and was using he legacy 96xx drivers
18:05<enouf>chealer: the nv driver works fine for me - however, i'm not up to date with the version you posted
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18:06<enouf>chealer: i tried to look into kdcop, dcopserver, dcop to see if somehow you could send to log, the entire shutdown/end session routine
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18:06<enouf>i came up pretty empty, though i found some perhaps otherwise useful crap ...
18:07<enouf>spectral: what's your hardware?
18:07<enouf>spectral: cat /proc/cmdline
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18:07<enouf>lsmod | egrep 'thermal|proc|fan' | xargs
18:08<spectral>enouf: cat /proc/cmdline returned root=/dev/hda3 ro
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18:08<enouf>spectral: pastebin your entire "cat /var/log/dmesg"
18:08<enouf>ok - that's fine there
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18:09<spectral>lsmod~ returned thermal 13608 0 processor 28840 1 thermal fan 4804 0
18:10<cTATUK>My bug reporter doesn't work.. it's set to use default /usr/sbin/sendmail and I added myself as the Cc:, but I never received the email .. how can I get this working? _Please_ PM me!
18:11<chealer>enouf: it's only with the nv driver, so you must have had a different problem
18:11<spectral>enouf: how do i paste in here? /msg dpkg paster?
18:11<spectral><i'm newbie to the irc too>
18:11<tuliohm>hi everybody
18:11<tuliohm>someone here use apt-build?
18:12<enouf>chealer: i saw that - however i'm not convinced it's confined to that - but that's just my own speculation - oh, which kde version(s) ?
18:12<enouf>!tell spectral -about paste
18:12<enouf>!tell spectral -about selftell
18:12<chealer>enouf: 3.5, but it seems independent of the desktop environment
18:13<abrotman>cTATUK: you can delete your .reportbugrc and redo it
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18:13<chealer>cTATUK: does sendmail work otherwise on that system?
18:13<cTATUK>how can i check?
18:14<cTATUK>i never manually configured it
18:14<enouf>chealer: ok, 3.5.9 here
18:14<cTATUK>abrotman: I see no .reportbugrc
18:14<enouf>chealer: but again, an older X and nv - i thought i upgraded all that, but i only did the -dev pkgs needed when compiling mplayer (and similar apps)
18:14<shivraj>how do you show your messages in irssi ?
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18:15<spectral>enouf: cat /var/log/dmesg:
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18:15<chealer>cTATUK: you could try mail(1). or publish your exim mainlog
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18:15<abrotman>cTATUK: ls -la ~/.reportbugrc
18:15<abrotman>erm ..
18:16<cTATUK>ls: /home/c7a71k/.reportbugrc: No such file or directory
18:16<abrotman>cTATUK: ls -l ~/.reportbugrc
18:16<cTATUK>ls: /home/c7a71k/.reportbugrc: No such file or directory
18:16<blarson>shivraj: /win <number> or ^n or ^p to the windown.
18:16<chealer>cTATUK: I actually use exim 4, not sendmail, right?
18:16<cTATUK>what's the easiest way to configure it
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18:16<chealer>cTATUK: if you didn't configure exim, it's not going to work
18:17<cTATUK>well F
18:17<cTATUK>bugreporter should know it's not configured
18:17<chealer>!drec cTATUK
18:17<dpkg>cTATUK: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root
18:17<cTATUK>not 'act' like it works heh
18:17<cTATUK>also .. i in a sense did configure it
18:17<cTATUK>i set up an evolution account and can access pop3 and such
18:18<cTATUK>but i'll try that
18:18<abrotman>he doesn't even need that .. reportbug can use its own
18:20<cTATUK>there's no GUI method of doing that?
18:20<abrotman>why does there need to be? it's pretty simple
18:20<cTATUK>and what do you mean 'reportbug can use its own' ?
18:21<abrotman>you can tell reportbug to use your ISP's SMTP server .. that's what i do
18:21<cTATUK>because reportbug is GUI so it's ridiculous to expect any user wanting report bug to actually *work* to have to -go through this-
18:21<cTATUK>i... don't see that
18:21<cTATUK>i see two options
18:21<cTATUK>1. use sendmail, 2. manually copy the .txt
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18:21<enouf>spectral: was busy a few minutes
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18:22<cTATUK>`reportbug` doesn't seem to be the thing i'm talking about
18:22<spectral>enouf: don't worry about it ;)
18:22<cTATUK>i'm talking about the GUI client
18:23<shivraj>I cant connect to http://localhost:631/
18:23<Cyorxamp>Lo, I'm going insane
18:23<abrotman>i think bug-buddy sends straight to gnome
18:23<shivraj>I have all of the packages for cups installed
18:24<abrotman>i've never bothered to use bug-buddy ..
18:24<Cyorxamp>Can anyone remember that dir in /etc that I can find the MAC of my network card?
18:24<Cyorxamp>and can swap eth0 for eth1 etc ?
18:24<Cyorxamp>it's some sort of generic hardware detection thing in /etc but I can't for the life of me remember the name
18:25<cTATUK>abrotman: yeah .. it does.. but it uses /usr/sbin/sendmail @.@
18:25<Cyorxamp>Damn it, such a tiny name
18:25<abrotman>so what?
18:25<cTATUK>well i reconfigured with dpgk so i will try now
18:25<enouf>spectral: hrm, an old p4 eh? 1.6GHz, and using pc133? or rdram?
18:26<stevecotton>shivraj - what does "netstat -ant | grep :631" say?
18:26<enouf>spectral: all looks ok to me in your dmesg (at a glance) .. have you tried lmsensors? also, run those earlier commands mentioned as sudo/root
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18:27<cTATUK>still doesn't work @.@
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18:27<stevecotton>shivraj: actually, try (as root) "netstat -antp | grep :631" instead (spots if something else is using that port)
18:27<cTATUK>I _need_ this bug reporter to work ... i'm getting a lot of crashes yes really @.@
18:27<cTATUK>i'll ask in #gnome
18:27<abrotman>cTATUK: stop with the annoying eyes
18:28<abrotman>this is not a sticker club
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18:28<enouf>spectral: i too have no /proc/acpi/thermal_zone dir (but i'm on a .26-1 kernel , but old p2 hardware) - use TAB completion to help
18:29<spectral>enouf: yes it is an old p4 1.6GHz and pc133 ram
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18:29<spectral>enouf: ok. i'll do that
18:29<enouf>spectral: the acpi pkgs should have "acpi -V" and such commands you can run - make sure you're not blacklisting modules (check /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist) and see if maybe you need them loaded in /etc/modules for bootup -- heck. i'd say try an etchnhalf kernel (2.6.24)
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18:30<shivraj>stevecotton: it shows tcp is using it
18:30<enouf>50. CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled <-- would seem to indicate everything is fine ;-) spectral
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18:31<shivraj>tcp 0 0* LISTEN
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18:32<shivraj>how can you change the hostname of a computer ? I change it in /etc/hostname but dhclient gives errors
18:33<shivraj>is there a command to do it ?
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18:33<enouf>spectral: a lot has changed between kernel revisions, especially from .18 to current - so if you up your kernel to atleast .24, the kernel /Documentation/*.txt can help also
18:33<spectral>enouf: acpi -V "No support for devide type: thermal". about the etchnhalf, in this week i'll have my c2d working. this pc im gonna give for my sis...
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18:34<spectral>enouf: etchnhalf is etch + lenny?
18:34<enouf>spectral: it might be a motherboard header is not connected, but i can't say from here ;-)
18:34<enouf>spectral: /msg dpkg etchnhalf
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18:35<enouf>spectral: apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-image-*
18:35<spectral>enouf: so it's just update the kernel, not all the distro?
18:35<enouf>spectral: correct
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18:36<enouf>spectral: if that doesn't do it, then you could consider dist-upgrading, if you wanted to
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18:36<enouf>spectral: upgrade* the kernel (update implies info only is updated, as in cache)
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18:37<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
18:38<spectral>enouf: linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.24 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
18:38<enouf>shivraj: ^^^^^^
18:38<spectral>this one?
18:38<enouf>spectral: yes, but not the -bigmem one
18:38<enouf>spectral: linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
18:39<spectral>enouf: yea i found
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18:39<enouf>spectral: /msg dpkg bigmem ;-)
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18:39<spectral>enouf: so is it just apt-get install linux-image~?
18:39<spectral>enouf: do i have to configure something after download and update the kernel?
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18:40<enouf>spectral: indeed - you can use -s to simulate, so you see what will happen prior
18:40<enouf>spectral: it should autoconfigure, update-grub then you reboot into it
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18:40<enouf>spectral: it's all automated, if all goes well - just don't let it remove known working kernels ;-) (happens rarely)
18:41<spectral>enouf: i'm a bit afraid to lose the system, haha. i'm only a noob =x
18:41<enouf>spectral: don't worry - and don't be afraid, and promise to read more after this ;-)
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18:42<enouf>that was fast :-p
18:42<kdas>any one know why xterm does not appear in docker ?
18:42<spectral>enouf: yea i need to read more
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18:43<enouf>what's docker? jeans?
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18:44<kdas>enouf, docker = doking program like trayer etc
18:44<enouf>toking on that stoke? :-P
18:45<enouf>kdas: i guess panel/kicker/systray crap?
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18:45<enouf>kdas: right click it and add it?
18:46<kdas>enouf, lol nope
18:46<enouf>kdas: i doubt update-menus would help, but worth a look
18:46<kdas>enouf, well what do you use for a panel/systray? because this docker thing captures all other windows but xterm
18:47<enouf>kdas: sadly, whatever kde comes with - just because, i use like 3 apps, and it's organized this way for me
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18:48<enouf>kdas: i mainly use the kicker/panel as a place to hold minimized windows - there are other areas, systray for clock and crap and quick launch area
18:48<kdas>enouf, ah i see, well any other recomendation maybe ?
18:48<enouf>kdas: can you drag-n-drop it there?
18:49<kdas>enouf, nope
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18:49<enouf>kdas: right click xterm from the menu, and tell it where to go? lol
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18:49<enouf>kdas: is docker gnome or .. apple related? find people who use it
18:50<kdas>enouf, well i also tried the native dock for openbox and also trayer and all them don't show xterm
18:50<enouf>kdas: there's a #gnome-debian on ?
18:50<kdas>so it has to be some xterm setting or something.. maybe i should try aterm
18:50<enouf>kdas: wait - try
18:51<kdas>enouf, docker = kde and gnome ;)
18:51<enouf>kdas: as root or sudo update-alternatives --config xterm ?
18:51<enouf>kdas: as root or sudo update-alternatives --config x-[tab][tab] ?
18:52<kdas>x-terminal-emulator ?
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18:52<enouf>kdas: bingo
18:52<themill>!win tab-completion
18:52<dpkg>Congratulations, tab-completion! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
18:53<enouf>!blame update-alternatives
18:53*dpkg blames maxb_ and update-alternatives for the end of life as we know it
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18:54<kdas>enouf, now docker is acting up LOL
18:54<enouf>kdas: the only other thing is if your main system is gnome and you want to intermix kde themes and shit, you need certain pkgs
18:55<enouf>and vice-versa iinm
18:55<kdas>enouf, ok, that did not help same story
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18:56<enouf>kdas: wow, i have 9 choices in x-terminal-emulator :-p
18:56<enouf>kdas: restart your DE
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18:57<enouf>haha @ 7 /usr/bin/koi8rxterm
18:58<enouf>i don't think i'l lbe needing korean xterms anytime soon ;-)
18:59<kdas>enouf, lol mine was set to lterm or osmething
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19:01<kdas>enouf, well the only thing that did was change my font settings i had for xterm back to the original size 'micro'
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19:03<enouf>kdas: haha - well, now try as root or sudo update-alternatives --config x-[tab][tab] <= and go through each of the x-* choices, one at a time maybe - oh btw, the minimized windows area is important to me using links2 -g, because no tabs (which is ok with me, cause the panel acts like a tab placeholder)
19:05<enouf>kdas: if fonts are screwy in all apps, you might have a "dpi" (/msg dpkg dpi) issue - or the fix is to add a 'DisplaySize xxx xxx' to your xorg.conf (in mm)
19:05<enouf>kdas: under Section Monitor area
19:05<enouf>like this; DisplaySize 433 270
19:06<kdas>enouf, i selected differnt terminal and now all better
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19:06<enouf>kdas: and it docks to docker?
19:06<kdas>enouf, nope
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19:07<kdas>enouf, i have xterm, uxterm, koi8rtern and lxterm whats the differances? and how do i remove that Korien one ?
19:08<enouf>kdas: i don't know - but .. one sec
19:08*kdas waits
19:09<enouf>kdas: xterm: /usr/bin/koi8rxterm <== part of the xterm pkg ;-)
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19:09<toobaz>Does anyone know what to do with this situation?
19:09<toobaz>(or curl -I
19:09<enouf>kdas: listen, what i do is use localepurge to rid the system of unneeded locale stuffs, but careful with that
19:10<kdas>enouf, >:) as far as xterm, should i try install aterm and see if that does anything ?
19:10<enouf>kdas: same for "xterm: /usr/bin/uxterm: so, dpkg -L xterm | grep doc
19:11<enouf>kdas: i noticed the many choices from a "sudo update-alternatives --config [tab][tab]" (notice, no x- or anything)
19:12<Txt-file>hy ... I tried to upgrade to debian experimental cause I wanted to try gnome 2.24. now I get a "segmentation fault if I try to upgrade
19:12<Txt-file>if I use aptitute ncurses interface:
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19:12<themill>dpkg: tell Txt-file about paste
19:13<kdas>enouf, ok aterm same thing maybe just dosen't catch teminal windows :(
19:13<Txt-file>themill: I know but haven't think about it
19:13<enouf>kdas: to find which pkg a file that's installed comes from i use dlocate, but you can also use apt-file and dpkg -S , etc
19:14<enouf>kdas: i still have no idea really what your issue is - but ok
19:14<Txt-file>but can anyone help me?
19:14<kdas>enouf, lol no biggie... do you want to go on the magical nvida driver ride ?
19:15<kdas>Txt-file, edit your self with following line ' echo WORK! >> Txt-file'
19:15<enouf>kdas: no wai
19:16<abrotman>Txt-file: you can't upgrade to experimental
19:17<kdas>enouf, :(( so how am i supposed to journey in the nvida work myself ?
19:18<Txt-file>abrotman: I thinked that I read that it is possible but if not also ok. thanks
19:19<enouf>kdas: yes, ;-) "/msg dpkg nvidia" .. or someone else may chime in - but do it the Debian way, otherwise you will get no help here
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19:21<kdas>enouf, whats the difference between the debian way and the non-debian way?
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19:22<enouf>kdas: follow that factoid tells you about
19:22<enouf>kdas: the non-debian way is to use the .run installer
19:23*kdas shivers when he hears
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20:16<eightyeight>how can i tell the debian installer to look for isos in a directory to find th esoftware necessary for the install?
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20:29<ryan>Just to clarify if a journaled partition corrupts itself you can't recover it correct?
20:30<infotron>define corrupts itself.
20:30<ryan>journaled file system completely lost it's structure... I can still see the DATA with "Partition" recovery software, but the partition thinks it's not formatted
20:31<ryan>I can see the partition in TestDisk
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20:32<ryan>I can see the recoverable partition .. the MST and MBR are gone ...
20:33<infotron>mbr isn't important. what's MST?
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20:35<ryan>sorry MFT
20:36<ryan>Master File Table
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21:02<shivraj> enouf : thanks for info on hostname ...
21:03<enouf>shivraj: np ;-)
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21:24<shivraj>how do I get cups to run on port 631 if something else is running there ?
21:24<shivraj>shows tcp is running on that porn
21:24<shivraj>oops port
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21:25<abrotman>shivraj: it's probably already cups
21:25<shivraj>no netstat -ant | grep ':631' shows tcp .. plus I cant connect to it
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21:26<shivraj>I dont know .. how do I fix it ?
21:28<abrotman>fuser -n tcp 631
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21:31<CWii>I can't change my resolution.
21:31<CWii>It's stuck at 680x480
21:31<CWii>On my 1680x1050 monitor.
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21:35<shivraj>abrotman: I did that ... still cant connect
21:36<abrotman>shivraj: from the same machine or another?
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21:36<abrotman>should work .. but i don't own a printer .. so i won't be much help
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22:16<Yuris>how can I see the attributes of a file on ext3?
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22:16<stew>Yuris: lsattr filename
22:17<Yuris>stew, this is for ext2 or not?
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22:23<remusrm>what is a good network manager? besides gnome-system-tools, or part of
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22:42<remusrm>guys... what is a good network manager? i used the gnome one and is not that great...
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22:49<qq->!network manager
22:49<dpkg>from memory, network manager is a good way of managing your network settings if you use DHCP or compatible wireless cards. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <wireless connection managers>. Supported/unsupported device list: , #networkmanager @
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22:57<leandro>I am trying to install Lenny alone (no dual boot) at a MacBook, but I can’t make neither Grub, nor Grub2 nor Lilo to boot. Can anyone help me, please?
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23:02<MotoHoss>leandro: specifically -->
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23:02<Student>greetings all
23:03<leandro>Followed that to a letter, but no matter which bootloader, I only get the interrogation mark in a folder icon when booting after installation.
23:03<Student>how to close open ports?
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23:05<Student->how to close open ports?
23:06<Student->i can see, 53 domain , 80 www, 111 sunrpc, 113 auth <-- these all are open , if i want to close any of specific port , how can i safely acheive this
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23:07<MotoHoss>leandro: did you dd the disk?
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23:07<leandro>Yes, a long time ago.
23:07<leandro>Left it running to the end.
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23:08<Student->how to check what ports are open on an ip address with detailed info?
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23:08<leandro>Also if I do Option when booting, I see only the installation CD, not my bootable partition.
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23:11<MotoHoss>leandro: the partition marked bootable is a primary partition?
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23:12<cry0nic>Hi. I am trying to figure out something. is there a configuration file for when gnome starts up that loads before getting to the desktop?
23:12<leandro>Yes, it is /dev/sda1 (for /boot).
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23:13<leandro>The LVM volume with everything else is /dev/sda2.
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23:17<MotoHoss>hmm, does GRUB give you an error? you did tell it to go to the MBR and not /dev/sda1 right?
23:17<leandro>Yes, straight to /dev/sda
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23:18<leandro>And I haven’t noticed any errors.
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23:21<leandro>Interestingly, Lilo seems to work from the rEFIt CD, but then it reaches only the initramfs prompft, after not finding init.
23:21<cry0nic>Hi, is there anyone that knows where the user default.session file resides for gnome?
23:23<MotoHoss>leandro: dunno what else to tell/ask...
23:24<shivraj>cry0nic: locate default.session ??
23:24<leandro>Oi vei.
23:24<MotoHoss>cry0nic: System-->ControlCenter-->Personal-->Sessions
23:26<cry0nic>shivraj; well i found it under /usr/share/gnome/default.session, but it does not contain all the items that it's loading. so i am guesssing that there is another file for each user with more specific programs for the specified user.
23:26<cry0nic>motohoss; hi, thanks. i knew that, im just looking for the file that contains the configuration found under the sessions app.
23:27<numayeah>anton_ >>
23:28<rjent>cry0nic: not sure but maybe this file has more info you want /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf
23:28<numayeah>avu :
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23:31<cry0nic>rjent; thanks ill take a look. i am just trying to figure out in which order of config files gnome starts up. i am running compiz fusion from the sessions and it flashes the screen when it starts up. so id like to get it to start before getting to the desktop if thats even possible..
23:31<kapil>cry0nic: $HOME/.gnome2/session
23:31<cry0nic>kapil; thank you!
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23:33<leandro>Hm, in Rescue Mode, /usr/sbin/grub-install complains about not reading correctly /boot/grub/stage1. But file stage1 finds an x86 boot sector OK.
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23:35<shivraj>leandro: why dont you do a new install keeping your /home dir assuming you have a separate home partition
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23:36<leandro>Can do, but if I can’t diagnose what did I do wrong it will come to the same point.
23:37<dmoerner>leandro: what if you manually reinstall grub?
23:37<leandro>That is what I was trying to do.
23:38<dmoerner>e.g.: "grub" "root (hd0,0)" "setup (hd0)" "quit"
23:38<leandro>OK, will try that. I just booted into rEFIt to do gptsync, hoping that will help too.
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23:39<lycoste>what's a good mp3 player for linux? similar in functionality to say itunes
23:39<leandro>Interestingly, Lilo is still there, after trying to install Grub and doing gptsync. Will try Grub again, after having done gptsync.
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23:40<shivraj>lycoste: mp3blaster
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23:42<dmoerner>!media mplayer
23:42<dmoerner>!media player
23:42<dmoerner>well i lose
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23:43<shivraj>lycoste: rythmbox
23:44<leandro>Even after gptsync I still get the stage1 problem.
23:44<leandro>Trying to run grub gives me an ‘Error opening terminal: bterm’.
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23:56<sniggels>doesn mv support samba server ?
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23:57<sniggels>let me rephrase, does mv or cp support moving or copying files from debian to samba shares ?
23:58<leandro>As long as you have the shares mounted...
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23:59<sniggels>they are
23:59<sniggels>it seems it's taking a long time for small files
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