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---Logopened Mon Sep 22 00:00:03 2008
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01:00<leandro>Found it.
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01:06<leandro>Just fixed the wiki.
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01:06<leandro>Thank you all for your tips, they helped clarify the problem.
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01:22<jake>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't set my screen resolution in lenny. just installed
01:22<jm_>X server nowadays relies on auto configuration
01:22<jake>gives ---> # deb lenny main
01:22<jake># deb-src lenny main
01:22<jm_>you can manually edit the file and set your values as you wish
01:23<jake>oh sorry not that
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01:23<jake>xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
01:23<jake> file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080922065116
01:23<jm_>good thing it creates backups, unlike some other scripts
01:24<jake>i dont have a template... where do i type the vertfreq and hor ref rates
01:24<jm_>man xorg.conf
01:27<LL00>how I can drop a variable in ENV?
01:29<jake>why the hell is the resolution set to so low anyways. no sound by default. bad
01:30<jake>why dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work?
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03:23<sams>hi i need some help on wget
03:23<tzafrir_laptop>man wget ?
03:24<sams>Is it possible to send values to html page using wget ?
03:25<tzafrir_laptop>look for POST or post in the wget man page :-)
03:26<sams>tzafrir_laptop : I tried using that post but i didnt get the required output
03:26<tzafrir_laptop>explain what you mean by "values"? if the values are part of the URL, then they are part of the URL
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03:27<tzafrir_laptop>wget ''
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03:28<jm_>that only works CGI scripts that support GET method
03:28<sams>tzafrir_laptop :wget --no-check-certificate --post-data="Number=12&Message=hi" https://localhost/test/example.html
03:28<tzafrir_laptop>"part of the URL" imples GET, I guess
03:28<sams>tzafrir_laptop : I used like this
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03:31<sams>tzafrir_laptop : what is wrong in this ?
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03:43<detective>weckerbecker wo bist du?
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04:09<benjamin>I can't remember how to generate aliases.db from aliases file?
04:10<maxb_>newaliases ?
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04:12<benjamin>yes thanks :)
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04:22<sams>tzafrir_laptop : are you there?
04:22<cTATUK>where is dpkg?
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04:23<tzafrir_laptop>sams, I'm somewhere. Just not sure what's the answer to your question
04:24<sams>tzafrir_laptop : ok
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04:27<MoL0ToV>hi to all! i need support on a debian server, i have installed gnome and hal, but when i connect the usb drive, the icon appears on top bar, but if i do a mount a error comes up: libhal-storage.c: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbus error was not set. application must not close shared connection
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04:28<anton_>sams: the url is normally parsed to get options - normally the url has "?param1=value1¶m2=value2" to pass options, but you can use apache redirects to make easier to read urls
04:28<MoL0ToV>impossible to exec pmount
04:28<MoL0ToV>howto fix?
04:29<sams>anton_ : wget --no-check-certificate --post-data="Number=12&Message=hi" http://localhost/test/example.html
04:29<sams>anton_ : I used like this is it correct ?
04:29<anton_>post_data is a different way of submitting data to a webpage. setting the data in the url is a GET request, a POST request is different
04:30<jm_>MoL0ToV: do you have pmount installed?
04:30<anton_>sams: What are you trying to achieve? if you are writing a web page check the manual for whatever server side scripting language you are using
04:30<MoL0ToV>jm_ i don't know, i just installed gnome and its dependances
04:30<MoL0ToV>ii pmount 0.9.13-1+b1 mount removable devices as normal user
04:31<sams>anton_ : I created one html page and i want to send values to that page
04:31<anton_>html doesnt normally allow you to do any processing - its just a static text doucument
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04:32<anton_>sams: you need a cgi-bin program running to read data, or use a scripting language like php, ruby, python etc
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04:37<jm_>MoL0ToV: and it doesn't say why it can't exec pmount?
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04:40<MoL0ToV>jm_ the error window says that is a application bug
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04:40<MoL0ToV>i try to update with synaptic, but no updates seems available
04:40<jm_>MoL0ToV: yes, that's part of the error text
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04:41<MoL0ToV>jm_: how can i check my current debian version?
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04:42<jm_>MoL0ToV: cat /etc/debian_version
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04:43<MoL0ToV>with gentoo o do a: emerge --sync ; emerge -u world
04:43<MoL0ToV>is latest?
04:44<jm_>yes, latest stable release
04:44<MoL0ToV>so what to check to solve this problem?
04:45<MoL0ToV>i can try do exec pmount by hand?
04:46<MoL0ToV>i just added my user to plugdev group
04:46<MoL0ToV>but same error is printed
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04:47<jm_>did you logout and login after doing that?
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04:55<EmleyMoor>Quick question - how long does a fixed package in sid take to transition into lenny, if it is a fix for a Serious bug?
04:56<jm_>EmleyMoor: it's not automatic anymore at this time AFAIK
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04:58<EmleyMoor>Well, I am aware of that...
04:59<EmleyMoor>So, it will take as long as it takes but hopefully not too long?
04:59<jm_>it requires manual intervention - the release managers need to be notified and then they make a decision or somesuch
04:59<kop>MoL0ToV : You need to re-login to pick up the new group.
05:00<EmleyMoor>Must reboot some kit now... I think release managers are aware
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05:00<MoL0ToV>ok thx
05:00<MoL0ToV>i try tomorrow
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05:12<thijs>debian auto key hangs
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05:14<variable>where sould i set environment variables that they will be every time i reboot pc?(don't write export, because it's temprorary)
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05:17<pinnacle>I have problems using static IP, it never works for me. My server at home works perfectly with a dynamic one, but not a static one. Everything is set up correcly, the only values i'm a little unsure about are 'relay' and 'network'.
05:19<jm_>why would you need network address?
05:20<pinnacle>this is how it looks like in /etc/network/interfaces :
05:20<jm_>you can safely delete the network line from it
05:21<pinnacle>alright, but the network line doesn't ruin the config right?
05:21<pinnacle>the only variable i'm unsure about now is broadcast
05:22<jm_>your setup looks fine
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05:23<pinnacle>ok, be back in 10 minutes. Going to try it.
05:24<sams>anton_ : how to write a cgi-bin program ?
05:24<anton_>sams: theres loads of howto's on the internet
05:24<variable>jm_, maybe there is some file that i can write environment variable just for specific users ?
05:25<variable>jm_, and after modified that /etc/environment i have to reboot?
05:25<jm_>sams: the simplest thing is using PHP or perl, you can find php tutorials about doing it
05:25<jm_>variable: no, just login again
05:25<jm_>variable: for users it's set in shell startup files
05:26<variable>ok thanks
05:26<anton_>sams: you will need your server to support php for that - if it is your debian box you can install the apache php modules (or similar). If it is a hosted box you need to check with your hosting provider what they support
05:26<sams>anton_ : thank you
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05:26<sams>anton_ : ok
05:26<sams>jm_:thank you
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05:27<dr3mro>how to copy ubuntu install to another disk without loss of file attributes?
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05:28<benjamin>Hi, could someone have a glance to my mysql-server installation problem ? =>
05:28<anton_>dr3mro, there is a flag on cp iirc
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05:28<anton_>dr3mro, "cp -p" ? (though -a might be more useful)
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05:29<dr3mro>ok but how its written .. the command in terminal .?
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05:30<dark>dr3mro, open up a terminal gnome-terminal
05:30<dark>and type the command in there
05:30<dr3mro>dark, ok\
05:30<dr3mro>dark, cp /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb2
05:30<dr3mro>thats it ?
05:30<anton_>dr3mro, make sure you run it as root (or with sudo) if you are copying install data
05:31<anton_>dr3mro, no... not that simple
05:31<dark>dr3mro, nope is cp -a directory
05:31<dr3mro>i am copying my linux "/"
05:31<anton_>/dev/sda1 is a hardware device
05:31<anton_>you have to mount both disks somewhere ("mount" will show currently mounted disks) and then copy the folders
05:31<dr3mro>-a =???
05:32<dr3mro>-p =?????
05:32<dr3mro>what does these mean
05:32<dark>dr3mro, -a copy directory do man cp
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05:33<anton_>dr3mro, "ls --help"
05:33<anton_>sorry, cp --help
05:33<dr3mro>sudo cp -a /media/disk1 /media/disk2
05:34<dr3mro>will that preserve attributes
05:34<anton_>i think so
05:34<dark>dr3mro, nope is mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mount/point
05:34<dark>did you anyways mount the h/d it self
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05:35<dr3mro>dark, but why to mount if i copy and already mounted by system
05:35<dark>okey well then,
05:36<dark>dr3mro, but that command is not going to copy you all the files in the h/d you need to specify which files you want though.
05:36<dr3mro>ok can you write down the command o i can copy it
05:37<dark>try cp -T
05:37<dark>try cp -t
05:37<dark>is cp -t
05:38<jm_>note there's hard disk upgrade howto, read it
05:38<dark>that too
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05:39<dr3mro>what about that
05:39<variable>where is held bash environment variables?
05:40<jm_>variable: which one?
05:40<variable>GNOME Terminal 2.14.2
05:40<jm_>that's not a variable ;)
05:41<variable>o, i whant to add a CLASSPATH=/.....
05:41<variable>so where should i put it that i will not need to set it again
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05:41<jm_>like I said, set it in bash startup files -- man bash, section INVOCATION explains it
05:42<jm_>probably .bashrc
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05:44<dark>or .bash_profile
05:44<jm_>that will most likely not work for gnome terminal
05:45<variable>jm_, what shell you are using?
05:45<jm_>variable: zsh
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05:47<dr3mro>dark, ok i did cp -a / /media/disk1
05:48<themill>variable: CLASSPATH shouldn't be needed by java apps in Debian.
05:48<dr3mro>its copying now
05:48<variable>i need to add this because i can't to load mysql drivers
05:48<dr3mro>but i like to keep current boot loader of windows that wubi did
05:48<dr3mro>how to modify it so i just keep it the same way it boot
05:50<dark>dr3mro, why would you like to picked the windows boot?
05:50<dark>i do not get it.
05:50<variable>well when i wrote my app in java, my app couldn't fine those drivers so i need to set a classpath to it
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05:51<dr3mro>do i copy all files or some are just dont copy like "dev"
05:52<anton_>dr3mro, you don't need /dev/
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05:52<anton_>you also probably don't want to copy folders under /media or /mnt either
05:52<dr3mro>i did copy it
05:52<dr3mro>do i have to delete it
05:53<anton_>if you had anything mounted there it will be copied and then hidden when you mount over it
05:53<anton_>be careful deleting - make sure you delete the copy and not the original
05:53<benjamin>Hmm I have a dependency problem :§ion=all <= why libldap2 is not in lenny but libldap2-dev is ??
05:54<anton_>it is in etch though
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05:55<benjamin>Is there any explication ? Is tha a bug ?
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05:57<themill>benjamin: the ldap packages have been renamed:
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05:58<sams>anton_ : I have written one html which will call cgi-bin for outputting something , normally it is working fine but with wget it is not working fine
05:59<variable>it looks that zsh is better then bash ;]
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06:02<benjamin>themill, is openldap the new name?
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06:02<themill>that's the new name of the source package.
06:03<anton_>sams: then your wget commandline is wrong
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06:04<sams>anton_ : what is the link for pastebin ?
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06:07<sams>anton_ :
06:07<sams>anton_ : I paste the output her
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06:13<sams>anton_ : Did you see that output
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06:14<themill>sams: is the form a GET or POST form? i.e. what is the URL that you see in the URL bar?
06:15<sams>themill : I used post only
06:16<themill>sams: the format of that post-data string doesn't look right. wget doesn't want an & at the start, and you probably don't want spaces between the field name and the =.
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06:17<sams>themill : How to separate variable values ?
06:17<Bucciarati>guys, is there a ncurses configuration tool for the network? something simple as ip address, netmask, dns, or dhcp
06:18<benjamin>themill, in this file the zabbix-agent package depends on libldap2
06:18<themill>sams: with & as you are doing, but I would expect you to use: wget http://localhost/first.html --post-data="fname=hixc&lname=sfgh&email=hjkhj"
06:18<anton_>sams: that first = looks wrong too
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06:19<themill>benjamin: that's an old version of the package that you're looking at lenny/updates. There's a newer version in lenny itself.
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06:21<sams>themill :I tried like this , i am getting one file first.html.1 , the same html file only opening
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06:21<sams>themill :How to check whether the values set or not ?
06:22<themill>sams: what language is this CGI in?
06:22<themill>(and why does it have an html extension anyway?)
06:22<sams>themill :perl
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06:23<daniel>Hi Everybody
06:23<daniel>I have a problem when upgrading from tech to lenny
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06:24<jm_>Bucciarati: for interfaces file?
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06:25<daniel>Can someone explain to me how long it should take to run the "apt-get update && apt get dist-upgrade"
06:25<jm_>daniel: that's alsmot impossible to answer
06:25<daniel>It sits and wait on " 99% [21 Pakages bzip 2 0]"
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06:26<daniel>jm_: yeap but is there a way for me to see if something is happening?
06:27<sams>themill :
06:27<sams>themill :this is the output i am getting
06:28<jm_>daniel: you can open another terminal and look there or on another tty
06:28<daniel>jm_ : in e.g. the syslog or?
06:28<themill>sams: this tell me nothing. All it tells me is that you used wget to download a file from your local webserver.
06:28<jm_>daniel: ahh no, you won't see anything there - you can check ps, netstat output etc.
06:29<jm_>daniel: but the above suggest the upgrade hasn't even started - you can safely interrupt it before it starts installing packages
06:30<jm_>daniel: i.e. it looks like this is still 'apt-get update' running - ps would confirm it
06:30<daniel>jm_: so when it just sits on ...bzip... what does that iondicate
06:30<benjamin>themill, Don't you think the debian security should have up to date dependencies?
06:30<sams>themill : I created one html file and sci script , i opened html page through browser and i gave values , the cgi script is for outputting purpose
06:31<themill>benjamin: it's an out of date package that you shouldn't be using. And apt would not use it unless you have a screwed up sources.list. The next time testing-security has a clean out, that package will just be deleted.
06:31<daniel>jm_: sorry for the stuprid questions but ps. is that like top for IRIX systema
06:32<jm_>daniel: no, irix too has ps -- simply run ps auxw
06:32<jm_>or ps auxw|grep apt
06:32<themill>sams: so first.html is the form and it calls second.cgi or something like that as the POST action?
06:33<sams>themill : yah correct
06:33<daniel>jm_: I find apt-get update
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06:33<Bucciarati>jm_: yes for /etc/network/interfaces
06:33<jm_>daniel: yes, just like I thought - it looks like it has problems downloading the file
06:33<themill>sams: so when you submit the form data with --post-data, you need to be pointing wget at second.cgi not first.html
06:34<jm_>Bucciarati: there is (was?) an app, all I have to do now is remember its name
06:34<Bucciarati>jm_: i'm scripting around dialog(1) atm
06:34<jm_>Bucciarati: but why?
06:34<sams>themill :then how i will pass the values ?
06:34<Bucciarati>for an appliance which needs to be configured the first time it's booted
06:34<daniel>jm_: okidoki. Can one assume that it is bzip2 that is the probelm or should I just try to restart the update?
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06:35<jm_>Bucciarati: you can configure it while installing, can't you?
06:35<jm_>daniel: simply kill it and try again
06:35<Bucciarati>jm_: :) i'm providing an already-installed image
06:35<jm_>hmm what should I search for to find this app
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06:36<Bucciarati>jm_: its not public yet, as i'm writing the scripts now :)
06:36<themill>sams: just as you have been doing so. wget is just pretending to be your webbrowser, it doesn't fill in the first.html form then submit it, it sends the data directly to second.cgi: wget http://localhost/second.cgi --post-data="fname=hixc&lname=fg&email=hjkhj"
06:36<variable>jm_, you are running zsh from terminal?
06:36<jm_>variable: yes
06:37<daniel>jm_: ok . This time I only ran the udate "apt-get update" - ready with no problems/errors. So it should not be a problem to "apt get dist-upgrade", right?
06:37<jm_>Bucciarati: doh finally, etherconf - it has been removed from Lenny
06:37<jm_>daniel: sure, go ahead
06:38<themill>variable: does export CLASSPATH=/... ; java -jar yourapp.jar work for you?
06:38<variable>so if i whan to make a shortcut for zsh i have to add option "Run it terminal"?
06:38<themill>variable: don't change shells just for this... just learn to use bash properly.
06:39<Bucciarati>jm_: etherconf it was! not even in etch, anyway thanks maybe i can adapt it
06:39<jm_>you can simply start it from bash, or tell terminal to do it directly : 'yourterm -e zsh' typically works
06:39<daniel>jm_: so far so good... do you know why or is there a way of figuring out why it stoped on bzip2?
06:40<sams>themill : Yah its working
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06:40<jm_>daniel: I think that indicates it was waiting for more data from the socket (i.e. something was not right with regards to network transfer)
06:40<sams>themill : thank you
06:40<themill>no worries
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06:41<variable>themill, what i do is export CLASSPATH=/usr/share/java/mysql-connector-java-5.0.4.jar:/home/.../myapp and just then i can run my app
06:41<variable>because if i export just mysql connector path then i cannot run my app
06:42<sams>themill : then here no need of html file ?
06:42<daniel>jm_: hmm ok... strange since I have 1122kb/s download now... but I guess there must have been someone standing on the cable. Thanks jm_!!!
06:42<jm_>sams: there is a need if people will visit your page with a web browser
06:42<themill>sams: not for wget, but your web visitors might find it easier.
06:42<jm_>you can also make it so your PHP/perl script does both - generates a page for a browser and processes input from users
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06:44<themill>variable: are you building a jar?
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06:46<variable>just .class
06:46<themill>ahh. if you were, you would just add to the jar itself that its classpath extends to mysql-connector-java.jar (and using the non-versioned filename will make it easier to cope with new versions of the library)
06:46<sams>themill : so this cgi-script working like submit button right
06:46<themill>sams: yes
06:46<themill>changing the system classpath is not a good plan at all. Adding in a library to it like that is a recipe for breaking things badly.
06:47<sams>themill : so this script can be used for login purposes ?
06:47<themill>variable: ^^ perhaps a 3-line shell script wrapper would be a better plan.
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06:47<themill>sams: depends on the login scheme. You might need to save a cookie or something like the example for --path-data in man wget.
06:47<variable>i'm not good at scripting
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06:50<themill>variable: it's not hard. here's a start for you
06:50<themill>variable: you could also use the -cp argument to java rather than setting classpath first.
06:51<sams>themill : suppose i want to send some msg to a number , so i will these 2 values , is this script will send msg to that number or i have to do anything extra ?
06:52<variable>themill, what gives my if make jar?
06:56<themill>sams: sorry, I don't understand what you're asking.
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06:58<themill>variable: when making the jar, you can specify a classpath to be used when running the app. If you are using ant then there are classpath options in the build.xml file. If you are using jar itself, then you need to put it in a manifest and specify the manifest.
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07:00<sams>themill : i will read 2 values one number and other msg , using wget with this cgi script ,is this script will send that message to that number ?
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07:43<leandro_>I have just set up an old black MacBook with Lenny. Wireless network is detected OK at installation, but no more after boot. insmod ath9k does not work, network-admin shows nothing wireless. Any ideas?
07:43<lamothe>Hi all, just installed Lenny but have a few issues with keyboard/mouse events blocking I/O. Can someone please direct me to an appropriate place to get more info? (I've already Googled)
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07:44<jm_>what do you mean blocking io?
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07:45<lamothe>jm_: Thanks, when the computer boots and the kernel is dumping details, the boot process stalls until I press a key, funny hey. I've been holding down the Ctrl key.
07:46<jm_>lamothe: is this a PC?
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07:46<lamothe>jm_: This continues into gnome-terminal input also so I assume that it's something to do with my laptop keyboard.
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07:47<lamothe>jm_: Laptop DELL 1501 Inspiron.
07:47<jm_>lamothe: hmm try standard options like noapic, nolapic, pci=nommc, acpi=off
07:48<lamothe>jm_: That's a great idea thanks. BTW, the issue does not occur when I use the etch kernel to boot into Lenny.
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07:49<jm_>lamothe: so it only occurs with 2.6.24 kernel?
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07:50<lamothe>jm_: Ummm ... have I done something wrong? `uname` gives 2.6.26-1-486
07:51<lamothe>Etch was 2.6.18 if I'm not mistaken.
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07:52<jm_>lamothe: ahh no, I forgot 2.6.26 is available in lenny nowadays :)
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07:53<jm_>lamothe: you should also try some better kernel, i.e. 686
07:53<lamothe>jm_: Cool thanks for your help though, I'll give those options a go. Funny, the issue is not present in Pidgin. Only in gnome-terminal.
07:54<lamothe>jm_; I'll do that also, it was just the default.
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08:40<padski>are we there yet? ;-)
08:41<sheldonh>is debian's php.ini load order documented? i suspect it's different from
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08:50<sheldonh>seanius: awesome, thanks. i'm trying to support per-user php.ini overrides (without using htscanner)
08:51<sheldonh>seanius: no, man. that's just what's in the README :)
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08:52<sheldonh>seanius: was hoping to use a combination of "php -c" and PHPRC, but PHPRC seems to be being ignored
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08:58<sheldonh>seanius: debian hasn't rm'd PHPRC has it?
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09:17<drmay>my problem: in my audio server (mazinger), operated through ssh, i do: auinfo -audio tcp/mazinger:8000 ==>is ok; in other computer auinfo complies: unable to connect to audio server; anyone could give me a hint on what is happening? thanks
09:17<daniel>Hi Everybody: just updated from etch to lenny... And it looks like that gnome was not installed/updated properly.. total of 34 "apps" did not install and it ends with "subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg reutrned an error code (1) Any sugestions were to start
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09:18<pinnacle>Hi. My static connection just won't work. Any ideas? Here's a pastebin from my /etc/network/interfaces file:
09:18<jm_>drmay: is that all it says?
09:19<jm_>daniel: paste the real error on some paste site
09:20<jm_>pinnacle: define "won't work"
09:20<pinnacle>connection won't work
09:20<pinnacle>but when I use dynamic it works
09:20<jm_>what kind of connection?
09:21<pinnacle>what's what?
09:22<daniel>jm_:cant do that since that box do not have a browser at the moment. X is not working
09:23<jm_>daniel: then at least find out which package/script fails
09:23<daniel>JM: (EE) Failed to load module "type1" - (EE) Faild to load module "nvidia" modules does not exist
09:24<pinnacle>jm_: any idea?
09:26<jm_>pinnacle: you didn't answer my question
09:27<pinnacle>well, you didn't answer mine either. What it is.. :/
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09:27<jm_>how do you connect to ISP?
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09:27<jm_>how could I possibly answer "what's what?" ?
09:28<jm_>do you use a router?
09:28<pinnacle>well, I asked right after you told me.. Yes wireless router
09:28<pinnacle>but I use a cable
09:28<daniel>jm_: hmm.. after running apt-get dist-upgrade. it fails with the line "E : sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returnd an error code(1) I tried to force install using apt-get -f install but it ends with the same message
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09:28<jm_>daniel: it also tell syou which script failed and package name, find that out
09:29<jm_>well can you ping your router?
09:29<jm_>crap I will have to go now, sorry
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09:29<pinnacle>oh ok
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09:29<pinnacle>but jm, it works when I use dynamic ip
09:30<daniel>jm: well I am lost here. I am not sure were to look for that info.
09:30<Aleric>What is a good news reader?
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09:35<daniel>jm: were is the insall log located? or is there another way of finding out why it does not install/upgrade gnome
09:36<pinnacle>Anyone else who can help me with my problem. Would appreciate it..
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09:39<daniel>jm_: would it help to get the apt.log from var/log/apt?
09:40<frunsk>i have an app on a remote server that sends X11 forwaring to a given IP, but i can't seem to receive such events
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09:40<frunsk>i tried using xhost ip
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09:41<Aleric>frunsk: Can't you use, ssh -X ?
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09:42<stew>frunsk: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie
09:42<frunsk>dpkg :No such nick/channel
09:43<Aleric>frunsk: Is your server listening on TCP at all? If not, you need to logout and at the login screen you can click to get to set options then under security or something you can tell the X server to listen on a TCP socket.
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09:43<aptitude>Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew)
09:43<stew>aptitude: mit-magic-cookie
09:43<aptitude>i guess mit-magic-cookie is a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use xhost (ask me about <xhost>). The xauth utility is in the package xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about ...
09:44<daniel>jm_: here is all the error mez. when I did the install
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09:46<frunsk>Aleric, i set the X options from the login screen? never noticed that b4
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09:48<rajeshsr>Yesterday I made changes to my resolv.conf. But it is not persistent.
09:48<rajeshsr>If I reboot it is getting the old entry back
09:49<rajeshsr>I am to put the namservers agian and agian, after booting.
09:49<parecen>rajeshsr: do you have dns related entries in /etc/network/interfaces or do you use fancy network managers?
09:50<rajeshsr>parcen: I don't get you.
09:50<seanius>sheldonh: i know of no patch that removes PHPRC, but then again i've never heard of PHPRC either
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09:50<rajeshsr>parecen, Sorry for that wrong spelling.
09:50<rajeshsr>I didn't get your question.
09:51<daniel>Hmm. Anyone else who can help me figure out why the install fails when upgradeing from etch to lenny?
09:51<sheldonh>seanius: i'd never heard of it either. i'm getting way deeper into php than i'd like to on this project :(
09:51<Aleric>rajeshsr: I put this in /etc/network/interfaces: up /usr/local/bin/firewall-up
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09:52<Aleric>rajeshsr: And then update things from that script.
09:52<ghostlines>what's the benefit of running a dhcp server on your server instead of you router?
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09:54<Aleric>rajeshsr: My /etc/network/interfaces:
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09:55<pinnacle>can someone help me figure out why static IP doesn't work when dynamic do work?
09:56<vadmeste>Hello. I have a Lenny installed on my laptop.. I installed "firmware-iwl3945" but when I switch on my wifi, the LED doesn't work.. in the same time, i can find "wlan0" when i execute "iwconfig"
09:56<rajeshsr>Aleric, #dns-nameservers
09:56<rajeshsr>is that the way to specify my namserver?
09:56<rajeshsr>I mean:
09:56<Aleric>That is commented out. Look at eth1
09:57<vadmeste>vadmeste, the real problem that the led sometimes works..
09:57<Aleric>I think dhcp would overwrite it.
09:57<rajeshsr>dns-nameserver "server-name"
09:57<rajeshsr>In eth1 u don't have any nameserver entry..
09:57<rajeshsr>am I missing it?
09:57<Aleric>I told you, I'm using the script.
09:58<Aleric> up /usr/local/bin/firewall-up
09:58<rajeshsr>What is its contents?
09:58<daniel>Is there anyone who have some experiance in figuring out were the installation went wrong when upgrading from tech to lenny????
09:58<rajeshsr>I mean the script.
09:59<vadmeste>pinnacle, maybe you have put the wrong static ip address.. a PC cannot have any ip address
09:59<rajeshsr>BTW, dns-nameserver "server" is enough, right?
09:59<rajeshsr>I have a ststic nameserver, so no problem
10:01<Aleric>rajeshsr: Hmm maybe. I'm using the script to change /etc/bind/named.conf.options I see (which is overwritten by dhcp every time). I need that because I'm running my own local nameserver, so I need to tell it the nameservers of my ISP there, and not in resolv.conf
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10:02<vadmeste>There are any known problems with iwl3945 on lenny ?
10:02<cry0nic>hi. is there a way that i can find the oss mixer device name that is in used?
10:02<rajeshsr>Aleric, any idea why resolv.conf is overwritten, in my system?
10:02<gsimmons>vadmeste: Did you mean 'firmware-iwlwifi'? The iwl3945 LED issue was fixed back in July (see
10:03<rajeshsr>Aleric, is it changed by dhcp?
10:03<vadmeste>yeah i know
10:03<Aleric>dhcp does that on my machine... I'm actually using the contents of resolv.conf in that script and write them to named.conf.options
10:03<pinnacle>vadmeste: i've checked that already.
10:03<pinnacle>the other computers in my network has,, etc.
10:03<vadmeste>gsimmons, but I don't know, my WIFI sometimes works sometimes not
10:04<rajeshsr>So, resolv.conf is not over-written, in your case?
10:05<Aleric>Yes it is, by dhcp
10:05<Aleric>The static eth0 is not.
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10:06<pinnacle>vadmeste: could it be anything else? Like gateway, broadcast or something else?
10:06<vadmeste>pinnacle, can you ping others machines ?
10:07<pinnacle>You mean in the local network?
10:07<pleb2>I have an odd problem, and its begun since and update, now when i start my computer up, the networking does not work, i can ping locally, but their are no gateway routes enabled and the computer carnt even talk to other networked PC's, however when i run /etc/init.d/networking restart the problem is solved, what wcould be wrong
10:07<vadmeste>pinnacle, yeah ?
10:08<daniel>Hi I think I found my problem... full device... Is there a tool for chaning the partitiontable on the disk... whitout removing the data on it?
10:08<pinnacle>vadmeste: I'm not sure, got to try it. Have to make a call first, be right back. The server is located at home :p
10:08<vadmeste>I am not expert on linux
10:08<rajeshsr>Aleric, what am I to in my case? I have a static namserver. I have its address, with me.
10:09<rajeshsr>is putting dns-namesrver "servername" at /etc/network/interfaces enough?
10:10<Aleric>rajeshsr: Check in your panel/taskbar if there is a little icon whose tiptool says something about networking... I forgot the name. There is a utility that claims to work hard to get networking up and working in all cases. You have to kill it because it sucks and basically just screws all your config files over.
10:11<pleb2>Has anyone any idea as to why my networking has gone V wrong since updating?
10:11<pleb2>I run commandline only, no weird crap
10:12<Hydroxide>pleb2: that's not enough information to help you. please tell us how the networking is misbehaving.
10:12<Aleric>pleb2: I can't help, I can just tell you what I'd do if it was my PC.
10:13<pleb2>I start the machine up, the networking doesnt work
10:13<Hydroxide>pleb2: also, is this etch, lenny, or sid?
10:13<pleb2>i restart the entworking, and it works again :\
10:13<pleb2>since an update
10:13<Hydroxide>pleb2: how does the networking not work? there are many different ways it could not work
10:13<pleb2>hmmm, i can ping myself, and my static IP, but not from any other lan machines
10:14<pleb2>it says in IFCONFIG that everything is configured ok,
10:14<Aleric>But you have no gateway you say.
10:14<pleb2>the only change, after restarting networking with /etc/init.d/networking restart, is that there is a route created
10:14<pleb2>well, no, but i should still be able to talk to other 10.* networks
10:14<pleb2>without a gateway
10:15<pinnacle>vadmeste: it seems that it cannot reach the local computers either
10:15<pleb2>as the broadcast settings are in fine
10:15<Hydroxide>pleb2: can you go to and paste in your /etc/network/interfaces, then give us the link?
10:16<Aleric>pleb2: What I'd do is make a complete overview of the output of all queries (ifconfig -a and netstat -r or what's the new util, iproute?), and then run networking restart and look at the difference. THEN you know what is wrong/different.
10:17<rajeshsr>Are you talking about: NetworkManager Applet 0.6.4?
10:17<Aleric>rajeshsr: Yeah, sounds like it.
10:17<Hydroxide>Aleric: good idea. (and no need to stop using netstat -nr or netstat -r)
10:17<Aleric>rajeshsr: Try uninstalling it.
10:18<Aleric>It's very persistent too.. you have to really remove it from your harddisk ;)
10:18<Aleric>atp-get purge should do it.
10:20<pleb2>no differnce with ifconfig -a
10:20<pleb2>with netstat -r , there is a new route created for the gateway when ive restarted the networking
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10:21<pleb2>i hate doing updates
10:21<pleb2>i lothe them
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10:22<pleb2>if this was my co-located server, it would cost me £25 to borrow kvm over IP
10:22<pleb2>i have that to update next, and im very very worrried
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10:23<petemc>then you should be using stable
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10:24<pleb2>:P yes but then the apps are too out of date for me
10:24<pleb2>im stuck, id like to use semi testing please
10:24<dr3mro>hey i am having A SLOW LOGIN and some one on the net said i might have errors and suggested to look /home/user/.xseeionerrors and i foundt this any one help me to figure the problem ????
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10:31<pleb2>how annoying, its still not fixed :(
10:31<pleb2>anyone have a suggestion?
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10:37<zeta>this is bad. I keep getting kernel panics when I shutdown and everything freezes and I end up having to do a force shutdown.
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10:37<pleb2>:O why would you ever want to shutdown ?? :P
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10:38<zeta>well I have a laptop?
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10:38<drmay>any channel related to sound?
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10:38<drmay>does anybody know?
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10:39<Alfr3d0>drmay ?
10:39<rajeshsr>Aleric, doesn't work!
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10:41<Aleric>rajeshsr: Well, keep looking then.
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10:42<daniel>TO all who update from etch to lenny... Read this before you start
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10:42<rajeshsr>Aleric, ok, thanks.
10:43<rajeshsr>Aleric, Can I post my question, again here?
10:43<daniel>docbook-xml is cousing alot of problmes...
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10:45<rajeshsr>Hi, since my question would have gone very back, as to render it unviewable, am posting my question again!
10:45<rajeshsr>my resolv.conf is reset everytime I reboot
10:45<rajeshsr>But the entry is flawn!
10:45<rajeshsr>So, I need to add a new nameserver
10:46<rajeshsr>How am I to do it and keep the change persistent?
10:46<Ganneff>kill resolvconf package and undo what it does.
10:48<maxb>Establish what is resetting your resolv.conf. It might be the resolvconf program, or network-manager, or something else maybe?
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10:50<rajeshsr>How am I to find what is resetting my resolv.conf?
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10:54<rajeshsr>Ganneff, Can you be more clear about that?
10:54<rajeshsr>I found that I haven't installed resolvconf yet!
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11:09<rajeshsr>Looks like Network Manager is doing it.
11:09<rajeshsr>is it safe to uinstall it?
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11:10<rajeshsr>Or even beter, is there any startup script which Network manager calls, so that I could make that script put correct entry into resolv.conf
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11:12<stevecotton>it's probably the dhcp client program
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11:15<frunsk>how do i add permit a remote host to connect to my X server? do i need to use the mit-magic-cookie?
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11:18<rajeshsr>stevecotton, So what is the fix, now?
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11:23<ranix>frunsk: you probably want to configure your display manager
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11:23<ranix>frunsk: your remote host doesn't connect to your x server, the x server connects to the remote host
11:24<frunsk>the remote host doesn't connect to my local x server
11:24<ranix>frunsk: the X server is a 'server' as per applications accessing it to draw graphics, not as per tcp
11:25<ranix>frunsk: your x server connects to a remote host and enables applications run on the remote host to draw graphics to it
11:25<frunsk>in windows i ran xwing -ac and it worked fine... (-ac permits any host to connect
11:25<frunsk>ranix, i tried doing "xhost ip_of_my_remote_host
11:25<ranix>frunsk: are you trying to do XDMCP or just x forwarding?
11:26<frunsk>ranix, X11 forwarding
11:27<kapil>frunsk: 'xwing -ac' is a bit like using 'xhost +' --- it allows _anyone_ to connect to your server. this is highly insecure and not recommended!
11:27<frunsk>kalpik, i know but it still doesn't work
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11:28<kapil>you mean 'xhost +' does not work? well, by default, on Debian, tcp listening by the X server is disabled.
11:29<frunsk>how do i enable it ? ;-)
11:29<ranix>wtf is xwing
11:29<frunsk>/etc/sysctl.con ?
11:30<ranix>why aren't you using one of either X11 forwarding over ssh or xdmcp
11:30<kapil>ranix: it is a rootless X server that runs under Windows
11:31<ranix>you mean xming?
11:31<frunsk>cause my host doesn't work like that
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11:37<kapil>frunsk: you realise that anyone who can connect to your Xserver can read "every move you make" (as in the Sting song).
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11:38<frunsk>kapil, i know ill only allow it when i need to do it
11:39<kapil>it is the command line option '-nolisten tcp' given to your X server that is preventing it from listening at port 6000 over TCP
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11:40<infotron>don't session cookies prevent that kind of snooping too?
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11:43<kapil>frunsk: so you need to configure your "gdm" or "kdm" or "xdm" or "slim" to stop using that option.
11:44<frunsk>ok ill try+
11:44<frunsk>gotta go now
11:44<frunsk>see ya
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11:44<kapil>frunsk: be aware that ranix suggestion of using ssh port forwarding is much better!!!
11:45<infotron>oh boy... this is going to be fun. hummm
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11:54<TMcTrain_>hello someone with knowlege about module compilation?
11:55<TMcTrain_>I installed Debian 4.0.r4 from NET: 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Tue Jun 17 20:57:16 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
11:56<TMcTrain_>now I have a module source which i want to compile with
11:56<TMcTrain_>make -C /usr/src/linux M=$(pwd)
11:56<TMcTrain_>bot I goot a great bunch of errors refering of none specified types
11:57<infotron>aptitude: paste
11:57<aptitude>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:57<infotron>TMcTrain_: upload the output (including commands you use, in context) to a paste site
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11:58<TMcTrain_>The module source is correct, and could be compiled without remarks on an older 4.0.r1 system
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12:00<TMcTrain_>which steps must I take to cmpile modules for the default kernel?
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12:00<cahoot>use module-assistan if possible
12:01<TMcTrain_>as i told, i've only the source files
12:01<kapil>TMcTrain_: have you installed the appropriate linux-headers ?
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12:02<infotron>aptitude: build-essential
12:02<aptitude>rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
12:02<TMcTrain_>after installation I did the following:
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12:03<TMcTrain_>apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18
12:04<TMcTrain_>apt-get install kernel-package
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12:04<Guest1027>for some reason my harddrive reports that 0 space is left even though it also reports that it is not full
12:05<Guest1027>/dev/sda2 93G 89G 0 100% /
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12:07<kapil>TMcTrain_: you need an appropriate linux-headers-2.6.18-ver-flavour... package unless you compiled your own kernel.
12:08<kapil>as cahoot said. try "apt-get install module-assistant" and see if you can use the module-assistant to do your build. it'll be easier!
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12:10<strikr>how is it that I have created big partition. the size of the drive but mkfs wont let me put the ext3 filesystem on it
12:12<TMcTrain_>another stupid question: whats next after: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-486
12:13<pinnacle>quick question: If I configure a static IP from my router. Does my internet IP get static then as well?
12:14<strikr>no, the so called internet IP is provided by your Internet Service Provider, they decide what its gonna be.
12:14<TMcTrain_>make oldconfig && make prepare ??
12:14<kapil>TMcTrain_: this will create a link /usr/src/linux to the appropriate kbuild infrastructure. you can use that for your build.
12:14<fxiny>strikr: mkfs.ext3
12:15<pinnacle>strikr: then how am I supposed to know which IP I should connect to when I want to connect to my server from school for example?
12:15<kapil>TMcTrain_: no need to do "make oldconfig ...."
12:15<Gathond>pinnacle: pay your ISP for a fixed IP
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12:15<strikr>this may change everyday but what you can do is go to google and type in what is my ip
12:16<strikr>it will show your home IP
12:16<TMcTrain_>@kapil a already made a link linux to linux-source-2.6.18
12:16<pinnacle>but then a static ip for a server is useless, when I have to buy one in the end.
12:16<Gathond>or if your router supports is use some dyndns thing to automatically update
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12:16<strikr>usualy ISP change their IP leases every few days but most of the time they stay the same
12:16<pinnacle>Well, I think I have dynamic DNS
12:16<kapil>TMcTrain_: have a look in user source for the appropriate directory (ls -l /usr/src).
12:17<strikr>or, you can install something like no-ip ... like I used to have and I could RD into my system
12:17<kapil>s^user source^/usr/src/^
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12:17<pinnacle>strikr: how does that work?
12:17<strikr>fxiny, /dev/sda is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!
12:17<strikr>/dev/sda1 does not exist
12:18<infotron>fdisk ftw
12:18<strikr>all you have to do is install it and go to the website to register a free name.
12:18<fxiny>strikr: you want a live cd
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12:18<pinnacle>strikr, nevermind I found it. Thanks
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12:18<strikr>is there a way to do this without a live cd, which is what I would prefer
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12:19<pinnacle>So how can I check the IP of my server easily? There's no GUI or something like that..
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12:19<strikr>the IP is not only on your server but all computers within the ISP modem
12:20<pinnacle>ah, so all computers using the router has the same internet IP?
12:20<strikr>even without a router
12:20<pinnacle>I see, well that's great
12:20<kapil>TMcTrain_: I think you should use /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-486. but maybe you need /usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.18 with KVERS specified as a variable. I'm not sure.
12:20<strikr>After it passes the ISP modem its all about ports and 7 layer internet
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12:21<TMcTrain_>The error on >> make -C /usr/src/linux M=$(pwd) >>
12:22<strikr>fxiny, why not just tell me to use Gparted from the gui>
12:22<fxiny>strikr: because the partition is mounted , look into lvm2
12:23<kapil>you need one of the above ^^^ directories instead of /usr/src/linux and you probably need to set KVERS and MODVERS. I've forgotten...perhaps someone else remembers.
12:23<strikr>damnit, it ran to almost the end
12:23<fxiny>strikr: never used lvm2 ?
12:23<fxiny>you might like it
12:24<fxiny>strikr: you can add space at will
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12:25<TMcTrain_>i made #ln -s linux-headers-2.6.18-6-486 linux and it worked, tx! kapil
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12:26<kapil>TMcTrain_: you're welcome. I just figured out that it is the headers directory too!
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12:27<strikr>Why is it, I have to have 2 windows laptops that dont work?
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12:29<kapil>strikr: there is a message in there --- "look beyond the windows"
12:29<TMcTrain_>how can i restrict parport_pc && parport to specific adresses?
12:30<strikr>lol, I know
12:31<strikr>is there a way I can redirect from having to insert the netinstall disc everytime I want to install software?
12:31<kapil>TMcTrain_: parport_pc has parameters. Look at the end of the (long) output from "modinfo parport_pc"
12:33<fxiny>strikr: already installed debian ? edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:35<TMcTrain_>whats the equivalent of: /etc/modules.conf in debian?
12:35<fxiny> /etc/modules
12:35<stew>TMcTrain_: /etc/modprobe.d which is documented in the modprobe.conf manpage
12:35<stew>fxiny: no, that is different
12:35<fxiny>stew: ohh
12:36<stew>(but also good to know :))
12:36<fxiny>stew: yes :)
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12:36<dr3mro>how to chnage network applet icon
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12:37<TMcTrain_>is it whise to change /etc/modprobe.d aliases or is there a file for user settings?
12:37<fxiny>oh btw can we do pam_tally in debian like fetora does ?
12:38<fxiny>i stumble upon this today , added to my todo list
12:39<fxiny>while googling for ssh logins , fail2ban and such things
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12:40<kapil>TMcTrain_: just create your own file in /etc/modprobe.d/ called myaliases or something.
12:40<fxiny>ok, i'll try it on spare box then
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12:44<fxiny>ahhhh here it is , we have it :)
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13:03*alphad is away: Gone away for now
13:04<themill>aptitude: tell alphad away
13:04<themill>aptitude: tell alphad about away
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13:06<infotron>now he's perma-away :)
13:06<ranix>not dpkg or apt?
13:06<themill>ranix: aptitude's filling in for dpkg while she takes a holiday
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13:07<fxiny>bulls* dpkh is in the park , solving sudoku ...
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13:11<fxiny>ahhhhhhh i'm getting closer to the pam_tally thing : look at this : User root (0) has 1
13:11<ranix>Jag känner en bott, hon heter Aptitude, Aptitude heter hon
13:12<fxiny>at 5 i'm locked out
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13:12<fxiny>now , if i get it working for ssh ? :)
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13:14<kapil>fxiny: if you want to limit logins you can use "maxlogins ..." in /etc/security/limits.conf
13:14<fxiny>is not working : i can su at 6
13:14<fxiny>kapil: i know that . i'm playing with pam_tally
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13:15<fxiny>wt4x : at 6 i su successfully and pam auto resests
13:15<fxiny>need some more work
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13:19<TMcTrain_>how can i get a list of assigned ports to drivers?
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13:22<TMcTrain_>is there a list of assigned ports?
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13:23<petemc>TMcTrain_: /etc/services
13:23<cahoot> like /etc/services?
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13:25<TMcTrain_>and a list of assigned adresses, btw. used adresses by driver?
13:26<TMcTrain_>for example i've parport_pc to wich adresses is it assigned, or linked?
13:27<cahoot>TMcTrain_: something like /proc/ioports?
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13:29<TMcTrain_>yes tx#
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13:31<solagrace>hi, I have unintentionally set the display to be 640*480, and now i can't change it in the kde settings. What can i do? Please help.
13:32<solagrace>my installation disc is debian etch, kde version.
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13:32<solagrace>the box is a thinkpad a30.
13:33<solagrace>the normal display solution should be 1024*786.
13:33<amphi>set it how?
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13:33<solagrace>amphi: i mean during the installation.
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13:34<solagrace>amphi: it was a mistake.
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13:37<amphi>solagrace: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:37<blarson>solagrace: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
13:37<solagrace>ok, thank you guys. i'll go dpkg first.
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13:53<fxiny>it seems working :)
13:55<fxiny>yes ! i reset it as root : pam_tally --user <me> --reset . so its' pretty good for users login
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14:01<fxiny>n(5) attempts and you are lockedout , unlock_time=t and voila' , ask root to resets it , time to add it to ssh as well
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14:10<fxiny>hmmm : it sounds dangerous , anyone can be lockedout ...
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14:13<fxiny>but is still a good card when playing BOFH ;P
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14:29<pinnacle>how do you connect to a SSH server? funnily, enough I cannot find any info on google
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14:31<blarson>pinnacle: ssh
14:32<serge>Hello! What is the best free solution for backup needs today? To backup entire Linux system.
14:32<fxiny>pinnacle: ssh pinnacle@spire
14:32<pinnacle>so the following would work? ssh 85.230.xx.xx
14:33<Gathond>pinnacle: depends on whether you have the same username
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14:34<pinnacle>yes, it's my server after all
14:34<pinnacle>or wait, maybe not.
14:35<pinnacle>ssh username@85.230.xx.xx then?
14:35<Gathond>should do
14:35<pinnacle>great, thanks
14:36<Gathond>provided the server runs and the network in between wants to play ball
14:36<pinnacle>hmm, that sounds quite worrysome somehow. Is it just a coinidence for it to work?
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14:42<Gathond>pinnacle: no
14:43<Gathond>pinnacle: but if there are any firewalls between you and that machine they decide whether it works
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14:45<pinnacle>Gathond: ah ok. Do you know a command by the way so I can send a message to the server?
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14:46<pinnacle>so the message comes up on the server computer
14:47<tuliohm>hello everybody
14:47<tuliohm>someone knows how can i hide my ip adress on irc?
14:49<Gathond>pinnacle: no, not through any standard means, and I doubt anyone is suicidal enough to enable something like that these days
14:50<pinnacle>Gathond: so there's no way to send any kind of message to the server then, even for users?
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14:52<tuliohm>do you know how can i hide my ip adress on irc?
14:52<pinnacle>hmm, how about a proxy or tunnel the connection
14:52<pinnacle>I got to go now though
14:53<tuliohm>oh ok
14:53<Gathond>pinnacle: you can usually send messages to other users currently logged in (if they have not disabled this)
14:53<pinnacle>Gathond: ah ok, I haven't disabled anything at least, was thinking of sending to root
14:54<pinnacle>well, got to go now. Cu later
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14:55<tuliohm>do u know how can i make a tunnel in my connection?
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15:00<Deepy>With suphp I get: Script "/var/www/phpsysinfo/index.php" resolving to "/usr/share/phpsysinfo/index.php" not within configured docroot
15:00<Deepy>Can I disable that somehow? I have set check_vhost_docroot to false
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15:02<ranix>tuliohm: you could try tor, and then torify your IRC client
15:02<ranix>tuliohm: many irc servers block tor exit nodes, however, due to spam
15:02<ranix>tuliohm: same with many proxies
15:03<ranix>tuliohm: I personally don't like irc servers knowing where I am and where I travel, so I have one central server that I connect to for IM and IRC clients
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15:03<Deepy>Oh what I mean't was this, if I can disable this:
15:03<Deepy>Directory /var/www is not owned by nobody
15:03<ranix>tuliohm: I run screen there, and connect remotely with ssh. Irssi, pork, etc. run in a screen session
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15:04<ranix>tuliohm: someone could find me if they tried hard enough, but I prefer all my traffic coming from the same place
15:04<tuliohm>i ll try to use tor
15:05<tuliohm>my friend sad something about inet6
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15:06<russ>Time to time I hear a quiet noice that sounds like a hard drive working or a PC speaker. I have no speakers conected. It does it when nothings runing too. I thought only Windows does that.
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15:08<russ>Is Debian supposed to do that?
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15:10<awatkins>Apologies if this is utterly the wrong place to ask this, (but I've yet to think of anywhere better), is there any way to make rsync understand the problem of different filesystems having different filename restrictions (and therefore that a file transferred from one to another could automatically change name). Specifically, I'm trying to rsync a local file system and NTFS on a SAMBA share.
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15:11<tuliohm>look at my "whois"
15:11<awatkins>rsync, understandably, decides that it needs to retransfer files with unusual punctuation since SAMBA and NTFS between them have removed such characters
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15:13<russ>Is this a Debian chat room?
15:13<awatkins>russ: Yes
15:13<ranix>russ: a debian support channel
15:13<ranix>general chat has an off-topic room too
15:14<ranix>not debian-ot or debian-chat
15:15<Gathond>russ: that the filesystem occationally has writes to it? yes I would consider that normal
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15:16<russ>It gos on for at least 20 minutes with nothing runing
15:16<TMcTrain_>somebody knows lm_sensors
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15:16<ranix>russ: is it a high pitched noise? You might have a bad bearing in your drive making a whining noise
15:17<russ>a quiet garbled noice
15:17<awatkins>TMcTrain_: I've touched it.
15:17<TMcTrain_>I tried to install the lm_sensor-2.10.3 user tools with make user
15:17<awatkins>TMcTrain_: Problem?
15:17<TMcTrain_>make: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »sysfs/libsysfs.h«,
15:17<TMcTrain_> benötigt von »lib/«, zu erstellen.
15:17<TMcTrain_>fehlt mir hier noch ein paket?
15:18<TMcTrain_>do i miss an other paket?
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15:18<russ>Its ext3 file system. It was normal but usualy louder in Windows XP
15:19<awatkins>TMcTrain_: libsysfs-dev ?
15:19<awatkins>A stab in the dark, more based on my Googling ability than any technical skill.
15:19<ranix>there's an apt tool to search for that
15:19<awatkins>Would make sense to check, I guess.
15:20<ranix>command escapes me
15:20<ranix>not apt-cache but something else
15:20<maxb>Is it apt-file? I find it takes far to long to download the data files it needs, so I much prefer the web forms at
15:21<ranix>aah that's it, apt-file
15:23<chealer>TMcTrain_: which Debian suite do you use?
15:25<maxb>Suite == stable | testing | unstable
15:25<maxb>(weird, yes)
15:31<russ>I like testing repos
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15:39<Blaziken>how do I configure policykit to asking me my password (I disabled root because I installed sudo) when I mount a partition from gnome?
15:39<TMcTrain_>fresh Debian 4.0.4r - Kernel: 2.6.18-6-486
15:39<Blaziken>I use debian sid
15:40<TMcTrain_>and lm_sensors-2-10.3
15:40<TMcTrain_>unpaked lm_sensors
15:40<TMcTrain_>and tried make user; make user_install
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15:43<Torsten_W>TMcTrain_: apt-get installk lm-sensors
15:43<Torsten_W>why compile?
15:43<zepard>ok guys, I dont understand how sid is different on etch when handling bash_profile with gdm
15:44<zepard>at work I ahve an etch and don't know how to tweak that gdm to use my bash_profile
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15:45<zepard>an idea?
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15:47<russ>Windows Vista is money for nothing. That aint workin. Debian is for free. easy easy to know why.
15:48<TMcTrain_>and won't work properly either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15:49<russ>Vista ended my Windows days
15:49<Blaziken>-_- I hate my router when it cuts internet -_-
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15:53<zepard>:( no idea on bash_profile?
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16:25<sarrafo>boa tarde,
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16:25<sarrafo>estou procurando alguem aqui no rio grande do sul pra ministrar uma palestra sobre banco de dados
16:25<sarrafo>o local vai ser em capao da canoa
16:26<sarrafo>a data entre 23 e 25 de outubro
16:26<ravenbird>[br] Brazil
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16:26<enouf>aptitude: br
16:26<aptitude>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:31<zepard>mistake: i forgot that I use xterm -ls, so doesn't work on sid too
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16:33<pistache>Hello all
16:33<pistache>I've got a problem : In a script I am running "du -h file" to get the size of the file. But there is the name of this file at the end. How can I delete that ?
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16:36<dooglus>pistache: | awk '{print $1}'
16:37<pistache>Thanks dooglus
16:38<chealer>pistache: $ stat -c %s foo
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16:39<dooglus>chealer: seems he wants a 'human' format (KB MB, etc)
16:40<pistache>Yes, but thanks anyway !
16:40<pistache>I'm just doing a script for improving cp, and I want to display a percentage, and some infos on the file.
16:41<chealer>dooglus: right
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16:45<pistache>Wow i did my first script
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16:53<russ>Is it very hard to learn scripts in Linux?
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16:55<kop>russ : No. (For some value of "hard".)
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16:57<pistache>No not really.
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16:57<pistache>They are just some things that you must know, otherwise you'll block.
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16:57<pistache>Such as to affect the result of a command to a variable : variable = $(cat my_file)
16:58<pistache>I spent hours to search for this on google...
16:58<kop>russ : There's plenty of examples. The hard part is reading "man bash", selectively. Or script in something besides shell. (Go to and read the tuitorial.)
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16:58<kop>pistache : You need to pay close attention to parts of "man bash".
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16:59<pistache>kop : i know, that's why finally i did read man bash
17:01<kop>pistache : Sooner or later you'll learn to hate shell programming, but it's super easy to wack most things together because it's the same commands that you would type.
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17:02<dgodfather>i have a weird situation
17:02<dgodfather>i am trying to connect to a remote computer using vnc
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17:03<dgodfather>but i get a black screen using an old password on the default desktop i am trying to view, explanation
17:03<dgodfather>i set up and run a vnc4server on the remote simply by installing and running
17:04<dgodfather>then from my local computer connected by : xvnc4viewer ip
17:04<dgodfather>then user and password i set for the server
17:05<dgodfather>today i only got black screen which made me go ssh into the remote and after many attempts to fix, i simply removed the vncserver package with purge
17:05<dgodfather>manually deleted the .vnc folder under /root and under /home/username
17:05<dgodfather>and cleaned the /tmp folder where lock file etc are kept
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17:06<dgodfather>but even after that i can still connect to the default server somehow with the old user password, but no process of vnc is runnnig
17:06<dgodfather>how can that be, and why can't i connect to another session?
17:07<dgodfather>i need to see the same desktop my remote has in view, and had that in the old configuration
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17:11<kop>dgodfather : Dunno. But arn't there several vnc clients and servers, and maybe different protocols? Maybe you have a mis-match.
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17:14<Aleric>Hmm... I need a large file.
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17:15<dgodfather>kop: i am using the same server and viewer
17:15<dgodfather>and i removed every *vnc* package on the system
17:16<dgodfather>in nmap i can see that vnc is listening on port
17:16<dgodfather>how the hell do you kill a process or service you can't find and that shouldn't be there?
17:16<dgodfather>maybe it's a zombie?
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18:00<ja>Does anyone know how to get the netinstall cd for lenny to boot on a PIII 320 MB machine?
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18:02<simonrvn>that should work np. check your bios settings.
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18:15<Yuri->I have a question
18:15<Yuri->i'm now using lenny
18:15<Yuri->and in my sources.list there is lenny, not "testing"
18:16<Yuri->when lenny will be stable, I will have to do nothing is true?
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18:18<stew>Yuri-: yes. you will have to do nothing if you want to stay with lenny after it becomes stable
18:19<Yuri->stew, maybe is better that I install by zero lenny after lenny will be stable?
18:20<stew>Yuri-: it shouldn't matter
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18:27<Yuri->stew, thx a lot, but I have another question
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18:27<Yuri->stew, I want to install on a debian etch with amd64 proc the driver ati
18:28<Yuri->but by the official site of ati, i can see only two installers
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18:28<Yuri->Linux x86
18:28<Yuri->and Linux x86_64
18:28<Yuri->are two about intel ?
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18:36<Pryon>Yuri-: depends on what 'uname -m' returns
18:36<Pryon>That's not quite true. The answer to your question is that x86_64 applies to both Intel and AMD 64-bit processors
18:37<Pryon>The one you want depends on what uname -m says
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18:39<Yuri->Pryon, now i can't see the output of uname -m because apt is installing xorg and gnome
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19:07<WmBuRn>how t install kde3 form debian gnome?
19:08<themill>%install kde
19:08<themill>aptitude: install kde
19:08<aptitude>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see, or ask me about <kde version>
19:08<gravol>wish I knew. I'm just moving from Xubuntu to Debian ETch
19:08<gravol>Debian isn
19:08<themill>ffs... what's aptitude's trigger in here?
19:08<gravol>Debian won't mount a hard drive I added
19:09<gravol>the advice on getting wifi working last week was excellent
19:09<WmBuRn>it requires to put cd into cd rom
19:09<gravol>I don't know much about bots. I mostly quit IRC in 2001
19:09<Pryon>gravol: what error message are you getting from mount
19:10<gravol>The error Msg: libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
19:10<gravol>process 3424: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
19:10<gravol>error: device /dev/hdb1 is not removable
19:10<gravol>error: could not execute pmount
19:10<gravol>in Xubuntu you just right click on hdb1 and mount it
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19:12<WmBuRn>how to install kde form gnome, aptitude want to put kde install cd into cd-rom i want to instalit from the net
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19:14<mcx>/mode $me +x
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19:14<gravol>I put my error msg in the browser and the results say I have to edit the fstab
19:15<chealer>WmBuRn: install kde-core
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19:17<WmBuRn>yup but apt-get or aptitude wants to put an instalation cd insto cdrom, how to donwload in from the net?
19:17<dmoerner>WmBuRn: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:19<WmBuRn>eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a-etchnhalf _Etch-and-a-half_ - Official i386 NETINST 20080804-22:00]/ etch main
19:19<WmBuRn>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a-etchnhalf _Etch-and-a-half_ - Official i386 NETINST 20080804-22:00]/ etch main
19:19<WmBuRn>deb etch main
19:19<WmBuRn>deb-src etch main
19:19<WmBuRn>deb etch/updates main
19:19<WmBuRn>deb-src etch/updates main
19:19<WmBuRn>deb etch/volatile main
19:19<WmBuRn>deb-src etch/volatile main
19:20<WmBuRn>to remove the line deb cdrom: ...
19:20<themill>WmBuRn: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom line with a #. Then run aptitude update.
19:20<WmBuRn>so it will search only on the internet
19:20<themill>WmBuRn: and please don't paste into the channel
19:21<WmBuRn>lol cant save the document cos i dont have privilegues? how to edit this document as root?
19:22<dmoerner>WmBuRn: use su root
19:23<dargol>what happend to the wise dpkg
19:23<Pryon>gravol: Can you describe exactly what you are trying to do, then describe the actions you are taking and the results of each
19:23<WmBuRn>ok, and how to edit thi file form konsole?
19:24<dmoerner>WmBuRn: just su root -c 'editor-of-your-choice /etc/apt/sources.list'
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19:32<WmBuRn>thnx guys now it downloading
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19:59<dmoerner>Guest1088: yes
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20:04<Guest1088>hi Daniel, just testing my irc prog
20:04<dmoerner>Guest1088: normally you don't address people by their /whois firstnames on irc :)
20:06<Guest1088>sorry, dont know howto grab it
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20:27<Ichiban>Anyone have any experience with audio codecs? Particularly with Flac? I downloaded a couple of .flacs the other day and I can't get a single one of them to play. I checked in synaptic and it seems I have several libraries relating to flac, as well as flac plugins for various media players which do not play these files. Anyone have any idea what might be wrong or where I should go from here?
20:28<numayeah>audacious can play *.flac
20:28<Ichiban>Not these .flacs aparently.
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20:31<_BRETT_>is this distribution user-friendly?
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20:33<Ichiban>In my opinion it is. If you're looking for ultimate ease of use, I'd suggest Ubuntu, though. It's debian based, and even more user friendly than debian, but if you're moderately computer literate then debian should be fine.
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20:38<Ichiban>Nobody has any idea what may be wrong in my flac issue? Are the files simply corrupt? How would I check for that?
20:39<chealer>Ichiban: just ask your question. try playing a reference file
20:39<avu>Ichiban, first thing would be to see if file(1) reports them as being flac
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20:41<Christmas>file used to have a bug reporting real flac files as mp3
20:41<avu>works fine on my flacs at least
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20:44<Ichiban>"01 - Slip, Dip.flac: FLAC audio bitstream data, 16 bit, stereo, 44.1 kHz, 6101676 samples"
20:45<Ichiban>Seems to be flac, but doesn't play.
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20:46<Christmas>what application are you using for playing them?
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20:46<Ichiban>I've tried several, none seem to work. Audacious, xmms2, vlc, movie player...
20:47<Christmas>try apt-get install libflac8
20:48<Ichiban>Already have it installed
20:49<Christmas>what error do you receive?
20:50<Christmas>also try apt-get install libflac++6 flac
20:50<Ichiban>"libflac8 is already newest version."
20:50<Christmas>i'm not sure which one is needed
20:51<Ichiban>Didn't have libflac++6, but it still doesn't seem to want to work.
20:51<Christmas>maybe restart the player
20:51<Christmas>it should work now
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20:53<Ichiban>But it doesn't. Here's something which may be useful. Ran audacious from the terminal since I'd just killed it from there. Errors which weren't showing up before are apparent: "Unable to read from file:///home/bacher/torrents%20past%20and%20present/Eno%20Flac/Eno%20Flac/The%20Drop/01%20-%20Slip%2C%20Dip.flac, giving up."
20:54<Christmas>oh :-)
20:54<Christmas>why didn't you say so?
20:54<Christmas>it's an incomplete torrent download then
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20:55<Christmas>wait until it finishes downloading
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20:55<Ichiban>Well, I had been starting audacious from the menu rather than from terminal before, and for some reason they decided that these error messages aren't important enough to prompt me in gui form. Also, the torrent is finished. Has been for days.
20:56<Ichiban>I've been itching to listen to it but can
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20:56<Christmas>try this:
20:56<Ichiban>Bah, I'm an idiot. Disregard my issue.
20:56<Christmas>flac -d your_file.flac
20:57<Christmas>it should output to a WAV file
20:57<Christmas>and try to play that one
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20:57<Christmas>to convert all of them use flac -d *.flac
20:57<Christmas>wav is lossless too so you don't have to worry
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20:59<Ichiban>Okay, so, libflac++6 *did* fix the issue. It couldn't read it because I moved the files but didn't change the playlist, so it was pointing to nowhere.
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21:03<Christmas>so it works now
21:03<Christmas>that error message was not very clever though
21:03<Christmas>instead of 'unable to read' it should have been 'file not found'
21:04<Ichiban>Yeah, I agree.
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21:04<Ichiban>It was very misleading. I moved the files while troubleshooting here, though, so I'm sure the packages you suggested was necessary
21:06<Ichiban>Hrm... two of them (so far) still won't play, though. File reports it as data rather than a flac file, but the torrent *did* complete several days ago. Are these files simply corrupted?
21:07<Christmas>i don't know
21:07<Christmas>i told you, try to convert them to wav
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21:07<Christmas>i think there are some issues with old flac files but don't know the technical details
21:08<Christmas>i'm going to watch the movie
21:08<Christmas>cya later
21:08<Ichiban>Later. Thanks for the help
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21:12<Lyk4n8rwp0S>question : when is python 3000 stable version expected taking in account that the rc1 was realised just recently?
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21:23<Guest1088>Anyone have any experience with wireless lan configuration. My network: IN - WLAN-Router(=AP1) --- wlan0-NIC --- PC1 with Knoppix/Debian and eth0-NIC --- AP2 ---- wlan0-NIC in PC2. Everything works fine with PC1 and PC2 pings back to PC1. The problem is that PC1 leave AP1 and goes to AP2, but he is not configured for AP2. IMHO I need something like "preferred BSSID or priority" in the configuration, because the signal strengt of AP2 is
21:23<Guest1088>higher than of AP1.
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21:25<Guest1088>routing/nat/ipforward is set on PC1
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21:32<Student>Greetings All
21:33<Student>i don't know why "rcconf" is not working in Debian 4 r4a
21:34<Student>any idea why?
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21:38<Student>any1 awake? :)
21:38<enouf>Student: /msg aptitude
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21:38<enouf>Student: dpkg is on vacation
21:39<Elessar>sorry if i said hello twice :)
21:39<enouf>aptitude: bind9
21:39<aptitude>bind is probably the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind, or <bind9 chroot>
21:39<enouf>Student: what's wrong with rcconf?
21:40<Elessar>i found an encoding problem in a french manpage from sysv-rc, do you know how i could retreive the source of that manpage, so that i could report the bug with a patch?
21:40<Elessar>i apt-get sourced sysv-rc, but the french manpage translation does not seem to be there...
21:40<Elessar>wait, i have a doubt
21:41<Elessar>yes, the french manpage is provided by the sysv-rc package
21:41<Elessar>it is /usr/share/man/fr/man8/update-rc.d.8.gz
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21:42<Elessar>it appears as utf-8 interpreted as latin-1 (in my properly configured utf-8 urxvt or whatever)
21:43<Student>ok no problem
21:43<Student>but i asked about something else too
21:43<Elessar>well, i have it from apt-get source, but does it contain the french manpage?
21:43<Student>i don't know why "rcconf" is not working in Debian 4 r4a
21:44<enouf>how is it not working?
21:44<enouf>and what else did you ask?
21:44<Student>how is it not working? :) that is what i am asking
21:44<Student>i don't know why it is not working
21:44<enouf>aptitude: ask
21:44<aptitude>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
21:44<Student>when i type "rcconf" it does't work
21:44<Student>it says command not found
21:44<enouf>dpkg -L rcconf
21:45<enouf>which rcconf
21:45<Elessar>okay, i found it, it is in the debian/ directory, actually
21:45<enouf>use sudo or root to run the binary
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21:45<enouf>Student: sudo rcconf - it requires root or sudo to run
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21:45<enouf>also run update-rcconf-guide
21:46<Student>i am typing in the "root terminal" enouf
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21:46<enouf>dpkg -l rcconf | tail -n 1
21:46<Student>it says "update-rcconf-guide: command not found"
21:46<enouf>which rcconf
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21:47<Student>it says no packages found matching rcconf
21:47<enouf>run "whoami"
21:47<enouf>then it's not installed
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21:48<Student>ok cool , i installed it and now it is working
21:48<hazard2>Anyone know of a debain installer for getting debian onto a PS3?
21:48<Student>enouf: i want to set up bind9 for the very first time, kindly guide me to official or somewhat helping pages, Thanx
21:48<enouf>aptitude: ps3
21:48<aptitude>it has been said that ps3 is a video game console. The ps3 is known for having the blu-ray drive,having storage capacities of upto 50gb, with companies currently developing 200gb discs. It utilizes the cell processor,made up of 8 ppc64 based spu's. debian live for ps3 is at -- you can easily try and install Debian GNU/Linux on PS3 with this single CD, or #PS3Linux
21:49<Yuri->why when I try to start conky, It doesn't leave me to use the icons of the desktop? The icons are unavailables... are invisibles...
21:49<Yuri->using gnome
21:49<enouf>Student: i only know what that factoid above can offer - try, and as well
21:50<enouf>"aptitude install bind9-doc"
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21:50<Student>ok enouf, thanks thanks
21:51<enouf>Yuri-: no idea - maybe try #gnome-debian on ?
21:51<enouf>aptitude: gnome
21:51<aptitude>well, gnome is a desktop environment - see a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status>
21:51<Student>after installing the documentation of bind9 how can i read it enouf?
21:52<Yuri->ok enouf thanks
21:52<enouf>Student: see the other commands i showed you about how to List (hint -L) and find pkgs
21:52<enouf>aptitude: tell Student about grounding
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21:53<enouf>dpkg -L bind9-doc | less
21:53<Student>aptitude: bind9
21:53<aptitude>it has been said that bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind, or <bind9 chroot>
21:53<enouf>dpkg -L bind9-doc | grep doc
21:53<enouf>dpkg -L bind9-doc | more
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21:55<Student>dpkg is on holidays?
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21:58<enouf>[21:37:59] <enouf> Student: dpkg is on vacation
21:58<enouf>Student: aptitude is using the same database
21:59<enouf>but the triggers like ! and & and ~ and @ are all screwed up for now
22:02<Student>aptitude !bind9
22:02<aptitude>wish i knew, Student
22:02<Student>well :)
22:02<Student>it is ok aptitude ;)
22:02<Student>aptitude &bind9
22:02<aptitude>Student: are you using Windows?
22:03<Student>yes i am using windows
22:03<Student>actually i don't have proper irc client to rund under debian
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22:12<shivraj>when I do shutdown -h now .... my computer doesnt shutdown
22:12<shivraj>it says stopping port map and freezes
22:13<shivraj>is this a bug ?
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22:15<wedder>algum brazuca ai
22:15<wedder>algume ai pode me ajudar???????
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22:17<wedder>e ai sebastian
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22:25<dr3mro>help when i view video full screen it's pixelated ?
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22:33<Student>aptitude !vim
22:33<aptitude>bugger all, i dunno, Student
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22:39<baatar>anybody here?
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22:46<acu>I am going to install Lenny daily built on an AMD quad Phenom - any hints ?
22:49<acu>Nemoder: I am dowonloading now the amd64 hopefully it works
22:49<shivraj>how do people running Lenny turn their computers off ?
22:49<shivraj>shutdown -h now doesnt work, there's a bug with portmap
22:50<Nemoder>I use amd64 with athlon 4000, only real annoyances are Flash and Java
22:50<shivraj>I use 686 with 3800+ ....
22:51<acu>why don't you use AMD64 ? because of Java ?
22:51<acu>anyhow I have a dumb kind of shut off - press ctrl alt delete and the computer will shut off
22:52<shivraj>no ... there's a bug hopefully they will fix it
22:52<Nemoder>you can get java working with the new icedtea plugin and flash works with nswrapperplugin but it is kind of buggy when loading multiple objects (yay for flashblock)
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22:53<Nemoder>I haven't noticed problems shutting down.. although I rarely do it
22:54<shivraj>acu: I only have 2 gig memory, its not a 64-bit system
22:54<shivraj>it sucks cause I use this computer as a desktop ...
22:54<acu>shivraj: I have an AMD64X2 with 2 GB memory and I run AMD64 Lenny
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22:55<shivraj>acu whats the benefit ?
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22:55<acu>also I have a Laptop by HP with AMD 64X2 with 2 Gb also runs on Lenny
22:55<shivraj>does it run faster ?
22:56<acu>Shivraj: I do not know what's the benefit - it works for me with everything - even the webcam :)
22:56<shivraj>I will stick with 686 kernel its the best of both worlds
22:56<shivraj>or all worlds
22:57<acu>I did not compare the speeds
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22:57<acu>If you are happy
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22:57<shivraj>hows the phenom ?
22:58<acu>I am going to install the lenny on AMD phenom - I just got the system - and wanted to back up on DVDs the Windows Vista - but it hangs while installing it - so I am just going to erase it - I hate that I have to pay Microsoft for a product I do not use :(
22:59<shivraj>why dont you build your own system
22:59<acu>So I am just going to install it soon - it has a phenom with 5Gb ram
22:59<acu>Is more expensive to build your own
22:59<acu>I got a knock-out deal
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23:00<acu>I used to built systems 10 years ago :)
23:00<acu>I think slowly the Niche comes again
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23:02<acu>I was to busy this days - but I am planning to start a company to do turn key for content and course management system - I want to use open source only - on a side I might see if I can built Debian systems which can be 100$ less than a Windows System offered by the big guys - but believe me, is not easy - they got a heck of a deal in parts and they rule :(
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23:03<shivraj>that or they put crappy parts in your system
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23:08<shivraj>yeah both
23:09<shivraj>I would build a cheap system... no need for all of this fancy hardware
23:09<shivraj>amdx2 plus 8 gig memory .. thats all you ever need
23:10<acu>I am amazed that no-one really put up a company to sell PC with LInux at competitive price - all guys there have totally obsolete systems
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23:26<Student>how to check syslog?
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23:29<chealer>Student: it.s in /var/log/
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