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---Logopened Tue Sep 23 00:00:39 2008
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00:05<jslv3388>Hi there...
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00:20<dpkg>thanks, dmoerner. It's good to be back.
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00:34<shivraj>does etch have the latest version of gnome or once its released all changes stop ?
00:35<shivraj>or can someone tell me how to fix this shutdown bug ..
00:36<dmoerner>shivraj: etch has gnome 2.14
00:36<dpkg>somebody said stable was the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r4), or ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
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00:38<shivraj>anyone familiar with this portmap daemon error ?
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00:41<chealer>shivraj: just ask your question
00:45<shivraj>there's a bug where I cant shut my computer down .. shutdown -h now isnt shutting down the system completely
00:45<shivraj>I see stopping portmap daemon message
00:46<shivraj>filesystem is recovered on reboot but this is annoying its a bug .. how do I fix it locally
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00:53<kdas>can some one help me out with setting up the interface file for wireless ?
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00:54<kdas>this is my current config
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01:00<kdas>anyone ?
01:01<gsimmons>kdas: Lose the `wireless-ap' line if you're not specifying a particular BSSID to connect with. Unless the SSID you are connecting to contains quotes in the name, omit the quotes.
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01:06<kdas>gsimmons, do i need to specify a ap ?
01:07<KnuckOne>if it's wep the key and ssid are enough
01:07<kdas>ok cool
01:08<kdas>KnuckOne, and the interface file gets probed and dhclient and all that good stuff on boot correcT?
01:08<KnuckOne>it should :D
01:09<KnuckOne>mmm you forgot auto wlan0
01:10<kdas>were do i put that ?
01:10<kdas>below the iface wlan0 blah?
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01:10<KnuckOne>no, above, like you see with 'lo'
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01:12<kdas>KnuckOne, and i shoul dleave the iface wlan0 blah right ?
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01:13<kdas>KnuckOne, then one more thing is there a way to auto reconnect if i get disconnected ?
01:13<KnuckOne>your driver should already do it
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01:14<kdas>KnuckOne, i htought i was to ommit the quotes ?
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01:16<KnuckOne>you can omit them yes, if gsimmons said this it's that he has good reasons to say it
01:16<KnuckOne>i use a ralink card so think are different for me ;)
01:17<kdas>KnuckOne, ;) ok thanks man for your help
01:17<kdas>KnuckOne, now to move on to nvida graphics ... :(
01:17<KnuckOne>using amd64 ?
01:18<kdas>KnuckOne, i have a f9sg asus (intel core duo)
01:18<kdas>btw if anyone would like to buy it tell me :D its a moth old
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01:20<KnuckOne>ravenbird: nvidia one-liner
01:20<KnuckOne>aw... he msg'ed me
01:21<KnuckOne>kdas, just type /msg ravenbird nvidia one-liner
01:21<KnuckOne>ravenbird has all the instructions you need toinstall nvidia driver
01:21<ravenbird>i haven't a clue, KnuckOne
01:22<kdas>there goes that
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01:24<kdas>can't i just get the envy drivers off of ubuntu ?
01:24<chealer>dpkg is back
01:24<dpkg>chealer: I don't know, could you explain it?
01:25<KnuckOne>no, in order to avoid troubles
01:25<dpkg>See for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards
01:25<kdas>KnuckOne, the debian way seems like a pain in the arse and also not very stable
01:25<KnuckOne>never use the stock nvidia drivers in Debian
01:26<chealer>kdas: which Debian suite do you use?
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01:26<kdas>chealer, i am using testing
01:27<kdas>chealer, KnuckOne, i have nvida 9300m g is that supported via the debian way?
01:27<kdas>oh shit!!!! chealer you are on the driver page you are the man to talk to :D
01:29<chealer>KnuckOne: the nvidia one-liner factoid is about the nvidia drivers in Debian, and it doesn't work for testing
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01:30<kdas>chealer, do you know about nvida 9300m g working and do i have to do the unstable testing mix ?
01:30<KnuckOne>weird, i used it for installing the drivers on my Lenny amd64 install - but had to add unstable to my sources.list - thanks for the info
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01:33<jm_>kdas: which chipset is that?
01:33<chealer>kdas: yes
01:33<kdas>jm_, how do i know ?
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01:34<jm_>kdas: lspci (nvidia driver definitely supports it)
01:34<kdas>chealer, yes to first or second question ?
01:34<chealer>kdas: the first
01:34<kdas>how do you copy from xterm?
01:35<chealer>kdas: you don't have to, but that's what recommend. all of the ways can be painful
01:35<chealer>s/recommend/I recommend/
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01:35*ooter yawns
01:35<kdas>chealer, sorry i did not get what your recommendation ?
01:36<ooter>goodnight debian people!
01:36<kdas>jm_, device 042e rev a1 ?
01:36<kdas>ooter, g'night
01:36<chealer>kdas: I recommend to setup a testing/unstable mix to install the nvidia driver
01:37<kdas>chealer, ok i will use your method thats posted on the site ;) and what do i grab from the unstable repos ?
01:37<jm_>kdas: you will need unstable, because nvidia driver is not in testing now
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01:38<kdas>jm_, ok.. but i do see the nvida-core in the testing repos .. so instead i get the nvidia-kernel and nvdia-glx from unstable ?
01:38<chealer>kdas: APT will automatically take what misses in testing from unstable. so you shouldn't have to know. but that will be almost all nvidia packages.
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01:39<kdas>chealer, your sid add in method is a lil confusing... do you mind pastebinning me a example ?
01:40<jm_>kdas: what do you mean with nvidia-core?
01:40<chealer>kdas: an example of what?
01:40<kdas>chealer, the testing/unstable sources.list file
01:40<chealer>I guess he means nvidia-kernel-common
01:41<kdas>jm_, sorry i meant nvida-kernel-common is in testing
01:41<jm_>yeah must be, that's about the only thing int esting :)
01:41<kdas>sorry guys for that
01:42<kdas>chealer, thanks man
01:46<kdas>chealer, this will only download what i need from unstable not upgrade all my pkgs to unstable correct ? because i don't see any default distro = anywere
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01:47<kdas>chealer, when i do a apt-get upgrade it wants to upgrade quite a few files lol so i don't want this to turn into a unstable linux box
01:47<chealer>kdas: yes, as long as it's setup properly...which involves more than a sources.list modification
01:47<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider reading the APT HOWTO, as this exposes to unstable packages. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
01:48<chealer>kdas: that means something's wrong
01:48<DeLaCepa>someone knows how do i convert the .glade file in to .xml?
01:48<kdas>chealer, what dpkg said is wrong?
01:49<chealer>kdas: no, what your apt-get suggest is abnormal, unless your system was already out-of-date
01:49<chealer>kdas: dpkg's factoid tells you how to do a proper testing/unstable mix
01:50<kdas>chealer, no not out of date
01:50<kdas>chealer, factoid = dpkg?
01:50<chealer>dpkg: factoid
01:50<dpkg>it has been said that factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
01:51<kdas>chealer, i don't have a apt.conf file should i create new one ? i have apt.conf.d directory ?
01:51<chealer>kdas: yes, although the suggested command will automatically create it
01:51<kdas>chealer, just making sure.. please forgive my newbiness
01:54<kdas>chealer, ok we back to normal :) now just time to follow the guide.. thanks so far
01:59<kdas>chealer, is it normal to have 57 extra packages to install with nvidia-kernel-common?
02:01<chealer>kdas: not really, but I could imagine why it would that. it's probably not a new bug.
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02:02<kdas>it has like 40 lib blah -perl pkgs and then nvidia-kernel-source, at , bsd-mailx, etc
02:02<kdas>chealer, so its a bug or its alright ?
02:03<chealer>kdas: it's related to
02:03<chealer>kdas: # apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common devscripts-; should help
02:05<kdas>chealer, thanks again
02:05<kdas>chealer, umm nope nothing changed
02:08<chealer>kdas: ah, right. try # apt-get -o 'APT::Install-Recommends="false"' install nvidia-kernel-common
02:09<kdas>chealer, this should seriously all (step by step) be documented somewhere lol
02:10<jm_>why? people who use unstable should know what they are doing
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02:10<kdas>jm_, but i am testing...
02:10<jm_>kdas: +unstable ...
02:10<kdas>jm_, just a tiny bit for drivers.. :)
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02:11<chealer>kdas: the wiki page could document it, but I don't maintain it since a year, and the real fix is to fix #303524
02:11<chealer>kdas: #303521
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02:12<kdas>which one ? LOL
02:13<chealer>kdas: the latter, the 303524 was a typo
02:13<kdas>chealer, ok, but i didn't see a fix for it and it is not documented in the wiki :(
02:14<chealer>kdas: indeed. I was just saying that documentating this would be no more than a workaround.
02:15<kdas>chealer, i see, but it would save you guys from people like me ;) but i never worry because debian channel is full of cool helpful people
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03:28<freex_>hi all
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04:52<www-data>Can I change the uid/gid of www-data without breaking anything?
04:53<bassie>i tried that last year, and it ended in tragedy.... but i might have done something wrong.
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05:11<rafa>hay alguien por ahi soy sosa
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05:16<dgodfather>can someone please explain to me what to do? i kill all my vnc related processes (root and user), purged all packages related to vnc, deleted the .vnc directories from /home/username and /root/.vnc cleared /tmp from all files.
05:16<dgodfather>but still there is some kind of vnc server running accepting connections on 5900
05:17<dgodfather>and when i nmap localhost i see 5900/tcp open vnc
05:17<petemc>lsof -i :5900
05:17<petemc>are you running gnome?
05:17<dgodfather>how the hell does that happen? and how to i kill and remove that process
05:18<dgodfather>yes i am running gnome
05:18<petemc>gnome has a vnc server
05:18<petemc>called vino
05:18<dgodfather>i see now
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05:19<dgodfather>well when i log into it remotely i get black screen
05:19<dgodfather>i used to get a view but now it's black, how can i fix that to see the current sessoin
05:19<cTATUK>probably cause you purged those other vnc packages
05:19<cTATUK>reinstall the proper one and restart vino
05:20<dgodfather>as of when gnome has a vnc server?
05:20<petemc>for quite a while
05:20<dgodfather>no it happened before
05:20<dgodfather>why do i need to install something?
05:20<dgodfather>quite a while 2 months or 2 years?
05:20<petemc>more than 2 years
05:21<petemc>you could look this up yourself
05:21<dgodfather>true but we are already talking so...
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05:23<cTATUK>since Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:16:31 +1000
05:24<cTATUK>but technically before that.. if you count unofficial releases
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05:37<dgodfather>cTATUK: petemc: thanks guys
05:38<fenix>hi boys
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05:55<john_>hi I need some help
05:56<john_>i am trying to send values to webpage using wget , but it is showing some error ,
05:58<john_>can anyone please help me
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06:01<john_>hello anyone there
06:01<parecen>john_: what exactly are you trying to do?
06:02<john_>parecen: i am trying upload values through wget , but it is showing error
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06:03<hachi>hi all, I just fired up reportbug and it opened up my editor to fill out the body of the report
06:03<hachi>but there's no markers for 'put your content here'
06:03<john_>parecen: wget http://localhost:13013/cgi-bin/sendsms --post-data="username=admin&password=rL4y&to=+9198000007text=Hello+world"
06:03<hachi>where does it go?
06:03<hachi>after the version, before system information?
06:04<john_>parecen: I am using like this . Is there any wrong ?
06:05<parecen>john_: by "upload values" you mean, that you are trying to pass data to CGI script using the POST method?
06:05<john_>parecen: yes
06:06<john_>parecen: i am getting this error HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 400 Bad Request
06:06<john_>15:27:34 ERROR 400: Bad Request.
06:06<parecen>john_: try wget --post-data=’username=admin&password=rL4y&to=+9198000007text=Hello+world’ http://localhost:13013/cgi-bin/sendsms
06:08<parecen>if the right syntax order wont fix it, then your string for --post-data= does not fit how the CGI scripts expects the data
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06:09<hachi>also, where do I email the bug report to? the message body has no To: defined in it, and reportbug didn't say anything as it exited (I chose 'n' at the last question)
06:10<john_>parecen: no it is showing that missing url
06:10<parecen>john_: i dont know then, sorry
06:10<john_>parecen: ok'
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06:14<spectral>hey john_, why dont u try curl?
06:15<spectral>apt-get install curl
06:16<parecen>well, maybe he needs to enable something in his apache config, i dont know
06:17<hachi>how long does the BTS take to update?
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06:42<john_>spectral: can you tell with wget ?
06:43<spectral>john_: i'm newbie to the wget but i google for "uploading with wget" and found nothing
06:43<spectral>john_: u try reading the documentation?
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07:12<john_>can anyone please help me
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07:15<blarson>!tell john_ about ask
07:15<petemc>john_: curl -F
07:16<john_>blarson: I am trying to send values using wget to web page , but i am getting error as bad request
07:16<greeq>i tried installing msttcorefonts after reading somewhere that this can improve the font quality... but that failed and now whatever i try installing "msttcorefonts" thing come again.
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07:17<greeq> <---- like this
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07:18<spectral>greeq: apt-get -f install?
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07:18<john_>petemc: I dont know curl
07:18<greeq>last time i did apt-get upgrade and the same error came up... when i did a reboot gnome started with just a blue wallpaper and a mouse cursor. stucj there
07:19<greeq>its giving me the same problem again... will it again hang after the restart?
07:19<petemc>john_: now might be a good time to get to know it, plus ive told you the switch required to submit stuff
07:19<greeq>spectral, msttcorefonts?
07:19<xittum>dpkg --configure -a? or dpkg-reconfigure msttcorefonts... mayybe
07:19<dpkg>xittum: I don't know, could you explain it?
07:20<greeq>spectral, yes i did "apt-get -f install msttcorefonts" but still the same
07:20<spectral>hey... try adding the official repository to your sources.list
07:20<greeq>and its not able to resolve
07:21<greeq>spectral, i'll paste my sources.list as well
07:21<spectral>graytron: what version of debian are u using?
07:21<spectral>greeq: what version of debian are u using?
07:21<spectral>graytron: srry...
07:23<greeq> i m using lenny 2.6.24-1-amd64 spectral
07:24<greeq>i did apt-get update but didn't upgrade.. coz lat time after downloading some 445 mbs it couldn't start gui and i had to reinstall
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07:26<john_>anyone is there to help me ?
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07:28<spectral>greeq: your sources list is ok, i think
07:28<spectral>greeq: what "apt-get update" returns?
07:28<greeq>what do i do ? please someone help. i m tired of reinstalling lenny. this has to be a small problem.
07:28<greeq>spectral ?
07:29<greeq>i'll just do
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07:33<spectral>greeq: sec
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07:37<spectral>greeq: # gpg --keyserver --recv 07DC563D1F41B907
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07:38<spectral>greeq: then # gpg --export --armor 07DC563D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
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07:38<spectral>greeq: and finally apt-get update
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07:39<amorphous_>I've managed to get all the permissions of all the home directories on this machine to be owned by root:root :/ ----- is there a way to fix it? are all the files in a home dir owned by user as standard
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07:40<spectral>greeq: so u can try apt-get install msttcorefonts
07:44<Myon>amorphous_: usually yes
07:45<greeq>the apt-get update problem is solved but that msttcorefonts is still like that. spectral
07:45<greeq>wget: unable to resolve host address `' ... spectral
07:46<amorphous_>Myon, and the default group? or is that another matter?
07:46<spectral>greeq: try download it manually and compile:
07:46<Myon>amorphous_: id $USER
07:46<Myon>greeq: your resolver is broken
07:47<greeq>just confirm it once ...
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07:47<greeq>ya ... unable to resolve
07:47<amorphous_>Myon [just to get it straight] 'chown -R $user:$user /home/user' should sort me out/???
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07:48<greeq>spectral, Myon .. can i restart without fixing this font problem?
07:48<Myon>restart what?
07:48<spectral>i think so
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07:50<greeq>restart the system. last time i did a apt-get update which i think involved this font package and i could only see the mouse cursor with a blue screen. had to reinstall.. this happene twice...
07:51<Myon>well, you can still dpkg -r it
07:51<Myon>or get DNS working
07:51<greeq>DNS ?
07:51<greeq>what is ur experience about this msttcorefonts?
07:52<Myon>doesn't matter, your system doesn't know how to resolve hostnames
07:52<Myon>you need to fix that anyway
07:52<Myon> is an alias for
07:52<Myon> has address
07:53<greeq>lost u... how do i fix it?
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07:54<greeq>should i change the mirror?
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07:55<greeq>will that give me a working dns?
07:55<greeq>Myon, spectral ?
07:55<Myon>man resolv.conf, man dhclient, etcpp
07:56<greeq>its not my systems problem. all the other installs work fine. its only with this
07:56<Myon>what does "host" say?
07:57<Myon>or getent hosts
07:57<greeq>same what u posted
07:57<john_>anyone is there to help me ?
07:57<spectral>greeq: aptitude install msttcorefonts shows the same error?
07:57<Myon>and that's on the same system and user that said wget: unable to resolve host address `'?
07:58<greeq>unable to resolve
07:58<Myon>john_: you need to ask questions, not repeat yourself over and over
07:59<john_>Myon: i asked how to send values using wget ?
07:59<Myon> --post-data=string
07:59<Myon> --post-file=file
07:59<petemc>and you've been told repeatedly to use curl, and told how to do it with curl
07:59<Myon>for anything more complex, use curl
07:59<greeq>same error with aptitude. i'll do both together and paste
08:00<spectral>the problem is the dependencies, eh?
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08:03<john_>Myon: i used like that i am getting error as bad request
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08:03<spectral>greeq: su, <root password>, apt-get -f install
08:04<greeq>already in #
08:04<Myon>john_: a good question includes the command, and the full error message ( )
08:04<spectral>greeq: if the problem is the dependencies, apt-get -f install should fix
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08:06<john_>Myon: this is the link
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08:07<greeq>spectral, Myon
08:07<Myon>john_: that's a problem with the cgi, not wget
08:07<petemc>most sms stuff ive used you need to submit xml
08:07<john_>Myon: i am able to open through browser
08:09<Myon>tell it to dump the headers (request and answer)
08:10<john_>what ?/
08:10<Myon>greeq: interesting... both host and the package stuff should use the same resolver
08:11<Myon>john_: read the manpage
08:11<greeq>or should i just dpkg -r msttcorefonts and live with these weird fonts ? looks crappier in a browser .
08:11<john_>Myon: problem is with wget or cgi ?
08:12<Myon>and if it works in the broswer, use some browser plugin to have a look at the data, as petemc said
08:13<john_>Myon:no i want to send through wget only
08:13<Myon>john_: you do want to read more documentation
08:13<Myon>wget is not a plugandplay tool
08:13<spectral>greeq: i don't know if it has something to do with your problem but try apt-get install ttf-msttcorefonts-installer
08:14<greeq>tried that too .. same resolving error
08:15<greeq>dead end
08:15<Myon>is there a http proxy involved?
08:15<Myon>or any other interesting network setup?
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08:15<greeq>just a wimax connection coming straight to ma pc
08:16<greeq>all other apt-get installs work why only with this?
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08:16<Myon>maybe the DNS forwarder on the PC is bad, no idea really
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08:16<Myon>other apt-get things don't do wget
08:17<Myon>does wget on these URLs work?
08:17<spectral>if he change his current DNS for an open DNS it could work?
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08:17<greeq>Myon, the dns forwarder is only bad for this package?
08:17<Myon>does wget on these URLs work?
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08:18<greeq>wget: unable to resolve host address `' thats what i have been posting all along man
08:18<Myon>does it work on the command line?
08:18<greeq>not tried
08:18<Myon>if not, debug that (strace and friends)
08:19<greeq>all the engineering in the world just get little things to work on linux is what makes it so great it seems...
08:20<greeq>if this is how linux is why do people say microsoft suxx?
08:21<Myon>getting pissed off doesn't solve your problem
08:21<Myon>if you don't want help, go away
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08:22<greeq>nobody likes getting pissed.. i need help yes... can u solve it?
08:22<Myon>14:18 <Myon> does it work on the command line?
08:23<greeq>how do i use it on a commandline?
08:23<Myon>like... wget?
08:23<Myon>sorry, I'll do more interesting things now
08:23<greeq>i m not used to linux
08:23<Myon>wget http://foo
08:24<greeq>resolving foo..
08:24<greeq>unable to resolve it says
08:26<greeq>am i the only one who finds these default fonts dull. why do they make this default? sometimes so small and sometimes so large.
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08:28<spectral>greeq: # vi /etc/hosts, paste it
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08:29<greeq> spectral
08:30<greeq>spectral, can u ssh ?
08:31<spectral>greeq: sudo cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts_bkp, try removing this "" from ""
08:32<spectral>on /etc/hosts
08:32<greeq>i have a dhcp configured network. will it work after i remove it?
08:32<spectral>greeq: that's why i told you to bkp the hosts file
08:33<spectral>bkp = backup
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08:36<spectral>greeq: your /etc/hosts should be like that:
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08:38<tricky>I have some problems booting into my newly installed debian system. The problem arises when trying to boot 2.6.24 and 2.6.26. "Booting the kernel. Loading, please wait... Gave up waiting for root device."
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08:45<greeq>after changing hosts file according to u spectral i tried apt-get install msttcorefontrs again... same problem no improvement... i 'll be right back in 15 mins
08:45<spectral>greeq: :/
08:45<petemc>why did you think changing the hosts file would help?
08:46<petemc>the problem seems to be with sourceforge, those urls go through some redirection then they time out
08:47<spectral>i threw some words in google and found a site. the webmaster say he fixed the problem doing that
08:48<petemc>you should probably limit yourself to assisting people with things you have real experience with
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08:48<spectral>what if it had worked?
08:50<john_>Is it possible to send values to cgi script written in php using curl ?
08:50<spectral>i know i should limit myself. i just told him to try out, backuping the file he wouldn't have problem
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08:50<tricky>Any ideas?
08:51<lamothe>tricky: I probably can't help but what type of device are you trying to boot from?
08:51<petemc>spectral: it wouldnt have worked
08:52<tricky>lamothe its a SATA hard drive
08:54<spectral>petemc: i won't argue anymore. now i'll just limit myself as you recommended ;)
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08:55<lamothe>tricky: Other kernels have worked?
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08:55<tricky>lamothe ive only tried those two on this system...
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08:58<lamothe>tricky: I've had no joy with the newer kernels. I'm still running 2,6,18 from Etch but on a Lenny system. Hopefully you've provided some information that another person might be able to use to help you.
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08:59<lamothe>tricky: Internal or external?
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09:00<tricky>lamothe internal device, also im running win on th same disk as we speak so there is nothing wrong with the disk
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09:09<Phoenix>alguien podria ayudarme con un pequeño problema?
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09:14<Phoenix>alguien me puede ayudar???
09:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:29<candido>there is some practical reference about repos? i have problems with authentication of packages
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09:37<Christmas>you can ignore it or add the apt key to your trusted keys
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10:00<Tengu>I'm having some trouble installing lenny on a poweredge 2950, with a bmc5708, using the bnx2 module. seems it cannot load the firmware :S
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10:01<Tengu>I read some threads about this subject, seems firmware was removed from initrd images :S
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10:02<dpkg>bnx2 is, like, the Broadcom NetXtreme II (BCM5706/5708) driver. Disabled in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.23-1 due to binary-only firmware, see Enabled again in 'linux-2.6' 2.6.24-7, install the <non-free> 'firmware-bnx2' package (etchnhalf, lenny) to enable driver use. Note: These devices will not be available during installation when using a <lenny>-based installer (this includes <etchnhalf>). See also bug #494936.
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10:03<Tengu>.... so. how am I supposed to install lenny on my servers ?
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10:04<Tengu>am I to open each server, put a bluk network card inside them, install my base-system, install this package 'firmware-bnx2', halt, remove bluk card, reboot.... ?
10:05<sheldonh>Tengu: that's one approach. another would be a custom install cd, or a pxe install environment, or a usb disk with the firmware on it, or... :)
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10:05<sheldonh>Tengu: if it's a lot of servers, go with a pxe installer
10:06<Tengu>nice...... I guess someone already did such a custom install cd.
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10:06<Tengu>we can't do PXE now :/
10:06<sheldonh>Tengu: chances are :)
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10:06<sheldonh>Tengu: well if you're running around with compact discs, just run around with compact discs and usb drives :)
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10:11<wferi>Hi! I upgraded some of my machines from Etch to Lenny, and since then they feel very sluggish.
10:11<wferi>ssh just can't keep up with my typing.
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10:11<wferi>did anybody experience anything similar?
10:12<wferi>the load isn't high at the same time.
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10:14<philsf>wferi: not me
10:14*Pryon did a single etch->lenny and noticed no performance difference
10:14<wferi>I did several and it's very noticeable for each.
10:15*xittum second what Pryon wrote - not that it solves anything
10:15<wferi>they're all libnss-ldap machines, but that should matter this way...
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10:15<xittum>wferi: how about other protocols than ssh?
10:16<wferi>no other protocol... :)
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10:16<wferi>maybe I'll install telnetd and give it a try.
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10:16<wferi>but the throughput doesn't seem to suffer
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10:23<philsf>wferi: have you tried disabling ipv6?
10:23<philsf>(or maybe... using it?)
10:23<wferi>I didn't. I actually need that most of the time.
10:23<wferi>so i've been using it for some time (also before the upgrade)
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10:24<wferi>The only change Munin shows is increased memory usage.
10:25<wferi>Since the upgrade.
10:25<philsf>disabling it seems to improve dns lookup time for people who don't use it, so I don't know what it does for you. are you sure you're using it now? what about http or ftp? do you lag only in ssh?
10:25<wferi>But not critical.
10:25<wferi>I notice ssh only.
10:25<wferi>Not using ftp.
10:26<wferi>Our trac installation got extremely sluggish, that uses http,.
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10:26<wferi>It isn't a DNS lookup delay, it happens all the time in established ssh connections.
10:29<philsf>does verbose tell you anything interesting?
10:29<philsf>ssh -v?
10:30<wferi>Let's see... no, not really.
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10:30<wferi>The session just stops echoing the characters I type for a second now and then.
10:31<wferi>Nothing is lost, just put to wait...
10:31<philsf>to you get the same delay ssh'ing to localhost?
10:32<wferi>Hmm, it's a headless machine... But I'll try its serial console.
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10:33<wferi>vlan891: received packet with own address as source address
10:34<wferi>br891: duplicate address detected!
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10:46<wferi>It's hard to say, as it's so slow, but the serial console doesn't seem to lag.
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11:01<deco>someone have problem with last lenny?
11:01<deco>i dont have the graphips interface!
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11:11<majk>how do i install Debian from a dvd on an xp? and use debian as the only os?
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11:12<xitg>backup data and use debian cd 1
11:12<Ganneff>using the dvd as boot medium
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11:19<xitg>945GML 如何设置Xorg
11:19<jebuz>Yo all.
11:20<jebuz>I think i have a problem with debian, since its slowing the computer down really much and i cant connect to my server (debian)
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11:21<xitg>how set Xorg for 945GM
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11:29<jebuz>error message: [161147.156466] r8169: eth0: link up, [161176.973433] NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out when i added IRQPOLL to kernel
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11:37<jebuz>and now when i removed irqpoll im getting "kernel panic, not in sync rebooting in 10 sec"
11:37<jebuz>and its rebooting for the 4th time
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11:41<SnitraM>Why is dosemu in contrib? How can I find out why package X is in contrib?
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11:45<stew>SnitraM: things are always in contrib for the same reason, which is that the require something that isn't in main to be used or to be built. check the dependencies of the pacakge to see if any of them are in non-free. check /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian to see if it mentions some other software you must install
11:45<stew>SnitraM: and check the debian changelog to see if it mentions contrib or non-free
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11:46<stew>SnitraM: in this case the changelog mentions:
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11:47<Zylvain>i would like to know how to disable the scheduled "shutdown when the battery is too low"
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11:48<Zylvain>i tried apt-get remove gnome-power-manager, but it seems require to uninstall all gnome ... :/
11:52<fxiny>not running gnome . a schedule ? so unschedule it
11:52<fxiny>clear as water
11:53<Zylvain>so helpful ! thx :)
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11:54<Zylvain>i would like to know how to disable the shutdown function when the battery is too low
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11:57<fxiny>Zylvain: is that some kind of applet loaded in yor task bar ? try right clicking on it , look for preferences
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12:00*fxiny takes some latin lessons : rosa , rosam , rosae . phoetora , phoetoram , phoetorae
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12:02<jebuz>kernel panic - not syncing VFS unable to mount root on fs unknown-block (hd0,0) what does that actual mean?
12:02<sadneophyte>moin moin, I just got a clean etch running, Google tells me I need a newer set of alsa drivers to get my sound running. That means I need a 'linux-source' or headers. what is the deal with two kernel numbers in the repository, 2.6.24 and 2.6.18? which one do you expect to be more stable. What is the highest alsa which runs with 2.6.18. Has anyone seen any drawback with the 2.6.24 kernel?
12:03<Zylvain>jebuz: means you can't run your computer, so you shouldn't be there then ...
12:03<Zylvain>it's magic
12:04<fxiny>sadneophyte: yes , me : on my box xmms2 crashes with etchnhalf 2.6.24
12:04<Zylvain>jebuz: your kernel can't find the rootfs in your 1st disk 1st partition
12:04<sadneophyte>fxiny xmms2 or the kernel?
12:05<fxiny>sadneophyte: xmms2
12:05<sadneophyte>fxiny that isn't very scary
12:05<fxiny>sadneophyte: exactly
12:05<sadneophyte>is 'etch and a half' officially supported?
12:05<fxiny>yes . is the etch 2.6.24
12:06<sadneophyte>hmmm... I think you sold me...
12:06<fxiny>but xmms2 is somehow "a work in progress" since ever
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12:06<sadneophyte>fxiny I use the old and painfully coded xmms lol
12:07<fxiny>xmms ? i use it only for some ape files : xmms2 is much better
12:07<SnitraM>stew: Thanks!
12:07<fxiny>btw xmms wirks fine with 2.6.24
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12:09<fxiny>sadneophyte: why you don't just move to lenny ?
12:09<fxiny>i have an unfinished lenny : impressive performances
12:09<sadneophyte>fxiny ummm... I am not very into names... which one is lenny?
12:09<fxiny>sadneophyte: the incoming stable
12:09<sadneophyte>fxiny... is it really incoming?
12:10<sadneophyte>I just REALLY wanted a stable debian...
12:10<sadneophyte>so it is testing? lenny?
12:10<sadneophyte>what is the lenny release date?
12:10<fxiny>sadneophyte: wir
12:12<fxiny>sadneophyte: just to say : same box lenny 2.6.26 and xmms2 works fine , what's your card ?
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12:12<sadneophyte>some crap.... I think the kernel drivers are the hda-intel and the alc888
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12:13<majk>i have installed Debian and i logged in and so
12:13<majk>then i get Debian comes with ABSOLUTLY NO WARRANTY, to extent permitted by applicable law
12:13<majk>what do i write?
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12:14<upsilon>what do you want to do
12:14<majk>run linux?
12:14<sadneophyte><fxiny> yeah, but I really don't want cutting edge... I want stable stable...
12:15<majk>upsilon, run linux lol
12:15<sadneophyte>fxiny if I want a new kernel I can run some ubuntu where the xserver crashes if you plug the mouse into the wrong usb slot... or something...
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12:16<fxiny>sadneophyte: don't forget : debian never sell unstable for stable , many many people are using lenny and are happy with it
12:16<majk>-bash: run: command wasnt found
12:16<majk>i get
12:16<majk>when i type in run
12:16<majk>help :<
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12:17<fxiny>sadneophyte: i am a stable only user
12:17<sadneophyte>... I am a debian 'stable' only user ..
12:17<fxiny>i like relaxing long cycle , cutting edge is not my friend
12:18<fxiny>life is sweet on stable but hell : lenny performs like a rocket !
12:18<sadneophyte>fxiny yeah so it seems alsa-driver-1.0.17 doesn't like me ... and won't compile...
12:19<fxiny>sadneophyte: dunno that vesrion : heve you checkled bpo ?
12:20<upsilon>majk: run which program?
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12:20<majk>upsilon, uuuh
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12:20<majk>i havent installed any programs
12:20<sadneophyte>fxiny ohhh man I totally forgot about backports
12:20<cibertito>what a lot of people! :O
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12:21<fxiny>sadneophyte: and what about 2.6.18 kernel ?
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12:22<majk>upsilon, i wanna host a bnc :P
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12:22<squigly>Dudes, I got a compiz fubar question, can someone point me to a proper room?
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12:25<amphi>squigly: #compiz-fusion on freenode
12:26<squigly>amphi: thx mate.
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12:40<cibertito> <- I hope you like it... check it next weekend
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12:42<sadneophyte>fxiny I am running the 2.6.18 kernel.... alsa 1.0.17 doesn't like me or the kernel, now I am compiling 1.0.14 1.0.15 and 1.0.16... and seeing which is the highest that can compile... this guy solved my problem, but he didn't say which kernel and which alsa version ;)
12:42<sadneophyte>1.0.16 is the highest which will compile on etch 2.6.18
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12:43<fxiny>sadneophyte: may 17
12:44<fxiny>is a clue
12:44<fxiny>lemme see my notes
12:44<sadneophyte>fxiny 17 insulted me and then tried kick me in the nuts.... but 16 seems to work
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12:44<sadneophyte>good thing it didn't see that it could kick me in the bolts too
12:45<fxiny>sadneophyte: so if i'm notr wrong 2.6.24 was released the 27 of july , that kernel is a 2.6.18
12:46<sadneophyte>fxiny say dunno, but alsa driver 1.0.16 is the highest alsa driver that didn't try to pull a fast one on me
12:48<fxiny>sadneophyte: 17 is a date >> "... who posted this solution on may 17."
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12:49<sadneophyte>fxiny where is a howto to install 'restricted formats'
12:49<fxiny>no idea
12:49<sadneophyte>awww no internet radio....
12:49<craigevil>you mean multimedia codecs?
12:50<dpkg>dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
12:50<fxiny>sadneophyte: radio ? i'm linetening to a radio via xmms2
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12:57<G_Zoli>hy everybody
12:58<G_Zoli>I woud install Debian eth4 in VirtualBox ... to install gnome need I .... official CD-ROM ...
12:58<G_Zoli>Who can I find that?
12:58<G_Zoli>(Sorry my Englis)
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13:03<ezguy>hi try to install deb using usb stick with boot.img from here
13:04<G_Zoli>thx a lot fxiny but I dont find this cd: "debian GNU/LINux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official i386 CD BInary - 1
13:04<ezguy>but it keep ask for iso image during the install. could i install it via the net ftp or http ?
13:04<ezguy>any ideas?
13:05<G_Zoli>I answer the mirror question "yes"
13:05<G_Zoli>during install
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13:05<G_Zoli>apt search in repos ..
13:06<ezguy>yes, it becuase it failed to detect and load the nic driver so i ask for iso image install of install from a mirror site?
13:06<ezguy>s/install of /install/ install instead of installing/
13:07<fxiny>G_Zoli: which mirror ? hu is avaiable
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13:08<G_Zoli>This was in list
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13:08<fxiny>iirc gnome is CD1
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13:09<G_Zoli>After install, how can I this line add to mirrors list?
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13:09<G_Zoli>( I don't have gui)
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13:10<fxiny>no idea , not using virtualbox
13:10<G_Zoli>I see this terminal picture:
13:11<G_Zoli>tanks a lot fxiny, I try reinstall with this ftp-s link
13:12<fxiny>G_Zoli: np
13:12<shivraj>how do you do put computer to sleep in linux ?
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13:13<ezguy>does the install support intel coration 82557/8/9 ethernet pro 100 nic?
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13:22<afranzen>Hello All, first time IRC'er, so please excuse my lack of IRC smarts. My problem: CTRL+ALT+F$ doesn't go to a console, just a black screen. CTRL+ALT+F7 returns me to X, however. My setup: Dual Core Pentium D, Radeon X600, fglrx driver, dual-head, debian/testing branch. Any Ideas?
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13:33<info>i have a problem with my grub its not starting and after 30 secounds just linux sarts
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13:34<info>its black screen hole time
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13:50<kdas>my .Xdefaults are not being read on each boot, any ideas ? and my wireless interface is failing to get a dhcp ip on boot but after i boot up and run dhclient again all is find any idea?
13:50<kdas>chealer, i got the drivers for video working ;) thanks
13:51<chealer>...kdas: right, but as I wrote, I didn't do any maintainance on the page since one year ago, and it seems that other people didn't help on this point. feel free to help if you think it's worth your time.
13:51<chealer>kdas: that was what I was writing before you left
13:51<chealer>kdas: great.
13:51<kdas>chealer, i still saw you posting on the site :D
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13:51<chealer>kdas: I'm curious, how do you know that's me?
13:52<kdas>chealer, what i am supposed to add to the wiki or just help people in the channel ?
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13:52<kdas>chealer, one second i will find the page
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13:54<chealer>kdas: It was about the wiki, but you're not *supposed* to, I was suggesting that if you want to help working around the bug that causes the installation of many packages when installing nvidia-kernel-common
13:54<kdas>chealer, unless chealer is a common name then here you are
13:54<kdas>chealer, i would love to but i don't have an account to edit the wiki... or do i just sign up and start editing ?
13:55<chealer>kdas: ah, I thought you were talking about the wiki page
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13:55<kdas>chealer, it is on the wikipage .. the link at least
13:55<chealer>kdas: you just sign up (if that's needed)
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14:00<amphi>deco: just install those two, and see how you go
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14:03<AzaTht>wonder why the trash can is in $HOME/.local/share/Trash and not in $HOME/.cache/Trash
14:04<deco>install lenny
14:04<deco>normally when I install there are about 600 packages and now only 300 :(
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14:05<kdas>chealer, i forgot the command... sorry it was something like APT:Recommended-files=false ?
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14:05<deco>ok amphi,
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14:07<deco>although there is xorg.conf
14:10<amphi>deco: X in lenny is meant to be pretty much self-configuring
14:10<chealer>kdas: apt-get -o 'APT::Install-Recommends="false"' install nvidia-kernel-common
14:10<kdas>chealer, thanks
14:10<kdas>i couldn't find it in any of the manuals
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14:12<deco>but if you do not loaded graphic mode after installation and only use 300 packets of the 600 that is usually needed
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14:14<deco>sorry that this always insisting on the last, but now something strange behaved
14:15<kdas>chealer, does this look alright ?
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14:47<glasya>I want to keep my kernel version from ever beeing changed by automatic updates so I've used the command "aptitude hold linux-image-2.6.25-2-686"
14:47<glasya>is that enough to keep an automatic update from installing a new kernel on my system?
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14:48<cahoot>don't even want security updates?
14:49<glasya>I'm pretty sure that I don't because that would break my wireless drivers
14:49<glasya>and I'm too lazy to recompile the drivers every time I automatically get a new kernel
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14:49<cahoot>glasya: other updates won't remove your current - but may change the order for grub
14:49<amphi>glasya: you use wireless-compat?
14:49<glasya>yes it's the changing order of grub that I'm trying to halt here
14:50<glasya>and no, I compile madwifi
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14:50<amphi>that's not overly hard to build, is it?
14:51<cahoot>glasya: edit /etc/kernel-img.conf to inhibit grub changes?
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14:51<glasya>also an update overwrote my vga settings I had in my menu.list file so I'd like to not have that automatically overwritten as well.
14:51<glasya>interesting, thank you cahoot I'll look at it
14:51<glasya>and no it's fairly simple but unless I can automate it I'd rather put it off untill I decide to upgrade the kernel
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15:25<amphi>glasya: you can add options you want for every kernel to the #kopt line
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15:28<glasya>amphi, #kopt line where?
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15:29<vitry>hi to all
15:30<glasya>Oh, I see what you mean amphi; that's very helpful thanks : D
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16:21<pinnacle>do I have to open a port or something in order to get Bittorrent to work optimally? Or is the Gnome Bittorrent client just that bad?
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16:22<pinnacle>i'm downloading a file that has quite impressive amount of seeds actually. And it downloads in 20-30 kb/s
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16:23<pinnacle>not even that, it's 15kb/s :((
16:24<upsilon>pinnacle: you need a listen port open for best speeds, yes
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16:25<pinnacle>upsilon: The problem is that I don't have a firewall or something either. Shouldn't all ports suffice?
16:25<upsilon>should do
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16:29<nasso>is anyone here a shell scripting ace? :) i need to upload a file to a ftp-server
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16:36<Pryon>nasso: man netrc
16:37<mcdaniels>hi folks
16:37<Pryon>better yet, use sftp with non-interactive authentication
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16:38<mcdaniels>may i ask a compiz question here concerning debian lenny?
16:38<amphi>mcdaniels: please do
16:39<mcdaniels>is emerald theme manager included in lenny ( i am not able to find it)
16:39<amphi>emerald is not in lenny, I'm not sure why not
16:40<amphi>you could build it from git, perhaps
16:40<mcdaniels>ah i see ... hm i think its the simpliest way to change themes in compiz :(
16:41<amphi>it's the most customisable decorator, yes
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16:41<mcdaniels>btw. i dont know how to change themes without it ;)
16:41<sadneophyte>I know I am going to get flak for this, but has anyone correctly installed nvidia proprietyry drivers on etch?
16:42<dpkg>rumour has it, beer is liquid gold mate
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16:42<amphi>g-w-d bases its appearance on your gtk theme, I believe
16:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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16:42<amphi>mcdaniels: there are unofficial compiz/emerald packages for debian, BTW
16:43<amphi>mcdaniels: - I have no idea how current or buggy they are
16:43<mcdaniels>amphi: i know this site .. i prefer the official ones ;) but thx !
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16:44<amphi>victor: yes?
16:44<sagara>/j #ubuntu
16:44<amphi>victor: please stop
16:44<victor>ogvm kh
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16:45<victor>hlnlnçvc uyjvnnmslwq çgkgitju
16:45<stew>victor: do you have a debian related question?
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16:45<mcdaniels>huh what was that - wrong charset...
16:47<mcdaniels>amphi: thx for help
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16:50<initiate>how do i switch between bX and the terminal?
16:51<initiate>nvm found out
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16:57<nasso>pryon, thanks. i ended up using ftp -n << __EOF__ commands __EOF__
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17:00<nasso>does anyone know how to get input from the user in a shell script and mask the input (want to get password from the user
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17:04<initiate>how do i edit a text file without a gui
17:04<upsilon>initiate: nano
17:04<amphi>initiate: with an editor, vim, emacs, nano, mcedit, ...
17:05<initiate>thanks .. it's been a while, nano it was
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17:13<daniel_>I just finished install debian stable, configured my xserver with resolution 1680x1050 but now I'm getting no display (note: it doesn't say out of range) when closing xserver - I know I can modify xorg.conf to contain more resolutions (I assume that is what's needed for debian to fall back to) but can I somehow open that xserver configuration screen?
17:13<stew>daniel_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:14<daniel_>stupid me, trying to run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
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17:23<kevin>Does anyone here have a maestro3 sound card and is running an etchnhalf kernel?
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17:25<robert_>got the dvd to play in totem. no menus but thats ok
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17:26<octoserver>deos anyone know about a memory leak in either the nspluginwrapper npveiwer, or in flashplugin-nonfree ?
17:26<parecen>robert_: tried VLC?
17:27<octoserver>it used up about 2.5 gig of memory the other day lol
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17:27<robert_>vlc gave me an error
17:27<robert_>i'm about to try dragon player
17:27<robert_>installing now
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17:29<robert_>anyone here tried dragon player?
17:29<parecen>never heard
17:29<daniel_>Sad to say I'm back :( I added a number of different resolutions to my xorg conf, yet whenever I stop gdm or ctrl+alt+F1, I don't get a console - monitor just doesn't get any signal
17:30<parecen>daniel_: CTRL+ALT+DEL to kill the xserver
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17:31<daniel_>Well - am I not supposed to get any output to my monitor when I go to runlevel1 or close gdm?
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17:33<robert_>dragon player works just fine
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17:35<initiate>i`m trying to set up X with sarge but after running m-a a-i nvidia it says that the kernel headers coud not be found
17:35<dmoerner>initiate: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r). why are you using sarge?
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17:37<initiate>dmoerner it says it could not find them again
17:37<initiate>i guess it's a sources.list thing
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17:38<robert_>i got a problem. firefox has no minimize maximize close bar at the top
17:38<initiate>good night good people
17:38<robert_>anyone know how to fix that problem?
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17:39<sleske>robert_: does your firefox have a window border at all? Maybe your window manager is not running?
17:40<freiheit-->robert_ how about F11
17:40<octoserver>is artd supposed to always use like 25% cpu ?
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17:45<robert_>i'm trying an uninstall and reinstall
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17:48<Pryon>robert_: did your window manager die?
17:50<robert_>no, the uninstall and reinstall worked
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17:50<robert_>there was no top border
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17:50<robert_>and dragon player played the dvd just fine, menu and all
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17:53<freiheit-->when theres no top border you usually hit f11 key by accident
17:54<robert_>how do i fix that?
17:54<freiheit-->and instead of reinstall you could have just tried deleting your profile
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17:54<freiheit-->hit f11 again?
17:54<robert_>oh ok thanks
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17:55<sleske>robert_: f11 in Firefox is "fullscreen mode" ;-)
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17:59<robert_>it wasn't full screen because file and edit and all were still there, its just the top border and mimimize, maximize, and delete icons weren't there
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18:00<sleske>robert_: ah, ok. That sounds like your window manager was gone. Did other windows also lack the border?
18:00<Woet>is it possible to do wildcards/regexes with 'sed'?
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18:01<Woet>like, replace 'gamemode(*.?)' with 'gamemode foo'
18:01<robert_>no just firefox
18:01<sleske>robert_: funny ... no idea then
18:02<sleske>Woet: of course, regexes are sed's main purpose in life :-)
18:02<sleske>Woet: see the docs: info sed
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18:03<ferrieres>i got a big problem of using mouse... im not used to ircII on console.. is there anyone here ?
18:03<ferrieres>i used to talk to debian french but i cant remember the channel
18:03<robert_>i remember when i first installed ubuntu 8.4 i uninstalled evolution and my system crashed, so i had to do a cold shut down, and never uninstalled it since
18:04<Woet>sleske: I got a file with 'gamemode0 [randomhere]', and I want to replace it with 'gamemode0 bar'
18:04<Woet>could you give me the SED if you could be so kind?
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18:07<ferrieres>perhapps i can try to ask a question : since i rtied to configure compiz, i got a "mouse" pb
18:07<ferrieres>anyone can help ?
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18:10<Pryon>Woet: sed -e 's/\(^gamemode0\).*$/\1 bar/' inputfile should work
18:11<Woet>:o thanks
18:11<Pryon>But that will replace [randomhere] with bar on every line
18:11<Pryon>I don't know if that's what you want
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18:13<robert_>did anyone else have a system crash after uninstalling evolution?
18:13<Pryon>Well, every line that starts with gamemode0 anyway
18:14*Pryon has never had a system crash after uninstalling anything
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18:14<parecen>looking at it was maybe the best idea to remove that package
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18:25<TonyTone17>do i need all 3 dvd images? debian-40r4a-i386-DVD-1.iso ....DVD-2.iso, ...DVD-3.iso
18:25<Woet>just 1.
18:26<dpkg>from memory, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
18:26<TonyTone17>aw ok thanks
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18:30<sparrow>hi, just a quick question... what happens with the packages "Not Installable"? Should one tell the maintainer or just wait?
18:30<sparrow>like the ones in
18:30<sparrow>(in particular, I am waiting for a while for libswfdec-0.8-0 to be ready)
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18:32<parecen>sparrow: in case of "unstable" you need patience :)
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18:33<dmoerner>sparrow: just wait for the blockers to be resolved. if you need a package faster than the maintainer can get it then offer to help package it
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18:34<sparrow>dmoerner, ok i'll try to see if I can help the maintainer then
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18:35<sparrow>parecen, yes, I'm a bit unpatient, I guess :)
18:36<themill>sparrow: it's in the new queue:
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18:38<dmoerner>sparrow: nothing is getting out of the new queue at the moment...i pushed something six days prior to that swfdec upload and its still waiting on an override file.
18:39<themill>Hopefully people are concentrating on getting lenny released not on new packages atm
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18:48<sparrow>that's good to know, though I don't really see how it works
18:49<sparrow>like, everything updated is added to a queue? and what stops it from being put into unstable then?
18:50<themill>sparrow: that's a queue for brand new packages to debian. Someone needs to review them to make sure they are sane and legally able to be distributed before they can be added to debian. It has to be a manual process.
18:51<sparrow>themill, oh I see! I thought the maintainers had kind of direct access
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18:52<sparrow>themill, so it would be the reviewers who should be bugged then :)
18:52<themill>sparrow: they do, but only for packages that are already in the archive. These are completely new packages never before in debian
18:52<themill>sparrow: bugging the ftp masters doesn't work.
18:52<themill>does it, Ganneff?
18:53*themill hides under the couch
18:53<sparrow>yep, I was in general wondering what could I do to help speed up things
18:53<sparrow>if anything
18:53<parecen>sparrow: have a look at and
18:54<sparrow>parecen, I will, thank you!
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18:55<parecen>there used to be a nice page that explained all to procedures in a non-techy way, but i cant find it at the moment
18:56<sparrow>parecen: it's ok, don't want to waste your time, the techy way is fine
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19:13<LOG123>help! i tried to install magento onto my server but when i start the install script the server rejects me
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19:18<abrotman>error messages?
19:19<LOG123>it says Safari can’t open the page “” because it could not connect to the server “”.
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19:21<LOG123>not really descripteve
19:21<abrotman>what is magento ?
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19:22<themill>!connection refused
19:22<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
19:22<abrotman>be better if that package seemed to be in debian .. at all
19:23<themill>yeah, but that web server isn't much of a web server...
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19:24<LOG123>so should i reinstall apache?
19:25<LOG123>or is my configuration incorrect?
19:25<themill>LOG123: did you install it? Is it currently running?
19:25<LOG123>how can i check to see that its running?
19:26<LOG123>when i'm in webmin it shows apache
19:26<themill>LOG123: ps ax | grep apache and netstat -pant|grep apache
19:26<abrotman>is this even debian ?
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19:28<abrotman>can you get to it by IP address?
19:29<LOG123>i'll try that
19:29<LOG123>no same thing
19:30<LOG123>themill it says grep invalid option --p
19:31<themill>what did you type?
19:31<LOG123>ps ax | grep apache and netstat -pant|grep apache
19:31<themill>that's two separate commands
19:32<themill>LOG123: perhaps you could pastebin for us: ps ax | grep apache ; netstat -pant|grep apache ; dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
19:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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19:34<LOG123>pastebin is the best thing since i daresay sliced bread!
19:35<LOG123>was i disconnected?
19:35<themill>no, we're waiting for the URL for the pastebin of that command
19:36<LOG123>whew srry
19:36<LOG123>i got a power surge
19:37<themill>why is gnome running on your server?
19:37<LOG123>i'm kinda new
19:38<LOG123>i've got to try though
19:40<themill>LOG123: you don't appear to have apache running on that machine at all
19:40<LOG123>should i run apt-get install apache?
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19:42<LOG123>or how can i install apache?
19:42<abrotman>!tell LOG123 about grounding
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19:42<LOG123>whats grounding?
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19:44<LOG123>i tried to start apache from webmin and it said startinh webserver (apache2)...Syntax error on line 7 of /etc/apache2/sites-enables/
19:45<themill>LOG123: you've got a lot of work (learning!) to do before you make that machine into a live webserver. Do some reading. Stop using webmin and learn how to do things properly.
19:45<themill>Good luck with that... I'm off to bed.
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19:47<LOG123>wheres a good place to learn?
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19:49<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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19:50<parecen>LOG123: have a look at first, especially the Debian Reference Manual is worth reading very much
19:50<bbelt16ag>hey peeps
19:51<bbelt16ag>I was wondering is there ahowto for install anew kernel under debian?
19:51<parecen>LOG123: and please forget about stuff like webmin. its much saver to learn how your server actually works
19:51<LOG123>what is the fastest way?
19:51<parecen>LOG123: the fastest way is to buy managed hosting
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19:53<LOG123>no need to be a jerk!
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19:53<Pryon>Debian makes virtual hosting with apache pretty darned easy. You just have to be willing to read a little.
19:53<LOG123>we are doing this because of so called managed hosting
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19:54<parecen>LOG123: good luck then :)
19:55<LOG123>but if you can't or won't help. well you know what you can do with you advice
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19:55<blarson>!tell LOG123 about webmin
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20:02<parecen>LOG123: my advice was an offer. no need to turn rude on me :)
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20:03<LOG123>thanks we're very frustrated because we had managed hosting and we got the same response
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20:24<charles>alguem aí??
20:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:26<bbelt16ag>hey peeps is apt-get == aptitude?
20:28<MotoHoss>!tell me about aptitude
20:28<MotoHoss>!tell bbelt16ag about aptitude
20:29<MotoHoss>!tell me about why-aptitude
20:29<chealer>bbelt16ag: no. they're different APT front-ends.
20:29<MotoHoss>!tell me about <why aptitude>
20:29<MotoHoss>!tell me about why aptitude
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20:33<chealer>!tell MotoHoss about selftell
20:35<MotoHoss>oops just learnin da syntax. sorry 'bout dat.
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20:57<ranix>I have 8 hard disks, one on each sata port. How do i tell which sd/md(a-h) device is which?
20:58<E0x_>ranix: check with dmesg output
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20:59<E0x_>you can put label to it
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20:59<ranix>E0x_: you mean by unplugging it hot?
21:00<ranix>i thought of that, seems wrong
21:00<E0x_>i mean something like dmesg | grep sd
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21:00<E0x_>or use fdisk -l
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21:01<ranix>hm thanks E0x_
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21:02<ranix>E0x_: seems to be tough if the disks are all identical
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21:03<kdas>would some one mind helping me out with my .Xdefaults ? everytime i reboot it seems not to apply the settings in that file. any ideas?
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21:04<kdas>anyone ?
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21:12<T_X>hi there, I'm trying to get my digital optical audio output working but I wasn't successful so far
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21:13<T_X>some guides were talking about a iec958 slider/switch in the alsamixer, but I don't have it
21:13<kdas>T_X, what hardware you got ?
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21:13<T_X>only surround, front, center, digital and many more
21:14<T_X>I think HDA Intel
21:14<T_X>it's an Acer 5920G notebook
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21:14<T_X>with a shared port for analog or toslink/optical/digital output
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21:15<kdas>so you are not getting sound ? or what exactly is the proble, ?
21:16<T_X>I only get analog sound, so only with the notebook speakers or when connecting headphones etc. to the port. but I don't get any sound when I'm connecting my notebook with a toslink cable to my soundsystem
21:17<T_X>it worked fine under windows, so the outter setup should be fine
21:18<T_X>I think there was an iec958 switch ages ago... has anything changed in debian according to that?
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21:18<kdas>T_X, well with that kind of problem you should goto the debain wiki and do a search for your hardware, and keep in mind that linux is sometimes behind
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21:23<jello>T_X: you might want to try compiling the latest alsa for you kernel
21:24<T_X>no, there's no entry according to HDA or Intel sound stuff in the wiki... and another thing confuses me a bit: an aplay -L says something about some digital stuff, aplay -l does not
21:25<kdas>does anyone know why my .Xdefaults are not being applied at each reboot ?
21:26<Pryon>kdas: xrdb ~/.Xdefaults in either .xsession or the other file whose name I can't rememnber
21:26<jello>T_X: what version are you running?
21:27<kdas>Pryon, i did xrdb .xdefaults and it applies to this session only and then on reboot it forgets
21:27<kdas>Pryon, what do you mean by apply to xsession or random other file ?
21:27<Pryon>Yes, that's why you put it in .xinitrc or .xsession (depending on if you're using startx or a session manager, respectively)
21:28<Pryon>I didn't say random. I just couldn't remember .xinitrc until now :-)
21:28<T_X>alsa-base is 1.0.17.dfsg-2, I just update to dfsg-3, wait a second
21:28<Pryon>kdas: How are you starting X?
21:28<kdas>Pryon, startx... although at some point i would like to get my system to runlevel 5
21:30<kdas>Pryon, so how do i add to .xinitrc ? "xrdb .Xdefaults .xinitrc" ?
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21:31<Pryon>kdas: man xinit gives an example of what can go into an .xinitrc file, including xrdb
21:33<kdas>Pryon, the last part of that sentence didn't make sense to me
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21:34<T_X>ok, I updated, but it still does not work. alsa-utils is 1.0.16-2
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21:35<kdas>Pryon, ok thanks for your help i will read the mans again .. i got to goto school (evening classes)
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21:40<T_X>and mplayer give me an error message when I try to use -ao alsa:device=spdif: /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p is missing...
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22:05<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
22:06<dpkg>from memory, qotd112 is <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see?
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22:31<T_X>argh, I can't find any answers via google or so. does it matter if I'm using the linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-686?
22:31<henkmetselaar>mail can't send popcon data. Do I need to configure mail somewhere?
22:32<ranix>your isp may block outgoing 25
22:32<henkmetselaar>hm, uni blockes nearly everything here to prevent students from using p2p
22:33<henkmetselaar>how can I test that?
22:34<ranix>telnet 25
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22:34<ranix>or whatever server
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22:37<ranix> 25 is definitely working
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22:37<ranix>if you time out to that your 25 is blocked
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22:41<henkmetselaar>I get connection refused
22:41<henkmetselaar>it does resolve the ip address first though
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22:53<chealer>henkmetselaar: no
22:53<henkmetselaar>chealer, sorry, no what?
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22:54<chealer>henkmetselaar: you do not need to configure mail somewhere to send popcon data.
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22:55<henkmetselaar>ok, thanks. I figured out that port 25 is apparently blocked by my employer
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23:39<frank_>testando xchat
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23:39<bijan>I need to filter mail from debian-user mailing list using procmail
23:40<bijan>There's a header X-Maling-List: <debian-user...
23:40<bijan>I've tried: * ^X-Mailing-List: <debian-user.*
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23:43<frank_>frank from Brazilian user Debian + xfce
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23:44<amdgoon>anyone here with an opinion on whether iceape or iceweasel is most stable?
23:44<amdgoon>in lenny
23:45<amdgoon>or what plugins to avoid?
23:45<bijan>i think they're both about the same, depends which you like
23:45<amdgoon>thanks bijan
23:46<amdgoon>I will be putting lenny on a collegues laptop, and that is a current issue.
23:46<amdgoon>browser is crashing and killing X
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