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---Logopened Thu Sep 25 00:00:50 2008
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00:05<amol>stew, i have created a private key and then it worked..but for netinstallation client side error is coming as gpgv:not detached signature error:Bad signature
00:07<johns>So, apparently hidd is deprecated.. What do I need to install under xfce4 to pair with a bluetooth keyboard?
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00:08*johns figures it out
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00:13<amol>hi to all, i am doing netinstallation using apache and dhcp server, i have created Release.gpg file but client side error is coming gpgv:cannot check signature:public key not found
00:14<amol>how to export public key???
00:14<bugaloo>in gpg?
00:15<amol>bugaloo, yes
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00:19<bugaloo>gpg --export keyname I think
00:19<lavaramano>-a
00:19<lavaramano>also
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01:02<prathibha>amol, check this link http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-257112.html
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01:24<knoppix_>hello
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01:33<rrm>how can i add a image under fluxbox
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01:41<jm_>to set the background pic? use display or many other tools that do the job
01:42<johns>when trying to pair with a bluetooth keyboard, I'm getting this error:
01:42<johns>** (bluetooth-properties:1211): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_begin_call: assertion `DBUS_IS_G_PROXY (proxy)' failed
01:43<mhash>rmm: install eterm, then fbsetbg -f image (there are other tools as well. If you just run fbsetbg it'll tell you more)
01:43<bugaloo>dbus service started?
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01:44<johns>bugaloo: yes, I think so
01:45<bugaloo>I have a bluetooth device, but I've never see that error :\
01:45<johns>I used to pair with hidd, but apparently hidd is deprecated now
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01:46<bugaloo>what are you trying to do? to connect via bluetooth cel?
01:47<solagrace>hi, I just installed a new Chinese font on my debian with kde, now the iceweasel menu font looks huge!
01:47<johns>bugaloo: under xfce4, I start bluetooth-properties, and then try to add a new input device
01:47<johns>it sees the device, but when I click on it, it hangs on the connect dialog
01:47<solagrace>How does that happen, and what can be done about it?
01:48<bugaloo>is it possible there is a PIN error?
01:48<bugaloo>did you configure that?
01:48<johns>bugaloo: yeah, I'll look into that more, but I was expecting to be prompted for the pin
01:48<johns>maybe that's not set in hcid.conf
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01:48<bugaloo>well, there is a conf in hcid.conf to make it ask for the pin
01:49<johns>yeah, that was set to user, so it should have been asking
01:49<bugaloo>yes... I had a lot of trouble to configure that
01:49<bugaloo>hehe
01:49<bugaloo>I had to install some bluez packages
01:50<bugaloo>but I did it in my work machine, running fedora :(
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01:53<bugaloo>so I'm not sure about debian proceeds
01:53<johns>didn't work with auto pin either
01:54<bugaloo>well... auto pin never worked for me
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01:56<bugaloo>so I used security user
01:57<bugaloo>but I had to try and retry bluez config a lot of times
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02:47<amol>hi to all,i am getting error for netinstallation as Bad signature on /tmp/net-retriever-3576-Release...can not check signature public key not found
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02:50<amol>how to suppress signature searching from client side in netinstallation??/
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02:52<jm_>it's explained in d-i FAQ IIRC
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02:57<jm_>yeah allow_unauthenticated option
02:59<amol>jm_,allow_unauthenticated option where to add?
03:00<jm_>amol: like I said, it's an option for the installer: linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true
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03:02<amol>jm_, thanks it worked..debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true
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03:10<morgan`>hi
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03:58<frunsk>how do i set up an ftp server to allow users to download directly from my cdrom?
03:58<EmleyMoor>I am having trouble with the order of my sound cards as set up by alsa - I cound do with some advice on how to "fix" them to specific numbers (my USB one included if possible)
03:59<jm_>frunsk: depends on FTP server used and its configuration
03:59<frunsk>proftpd
03:59<frunsk>jm_, i managed to configure anonymous ftp acces
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04:00<frunsk>but i cant download from the crdom from the remote dir
04:00<jm_>yeah anonymouse probably implies chroot so it's the easiest if you bind mount it in there
04:00<frunsk>u mean in the /home/ftp dir?
04:01<jm_>yeah, /home/ftp/cdrom or so
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04:09<frunsk>jm_, tnx
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04:12<tiptop_>hi, can anyone please tell me where should i put the dns ip so that i can browse?
04:13<parecen>tiptop_: /etc/resolv.conf as "nameserver <IP>"
04:13<tiptop_>ok thanks
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04:24<EmleyMoor>Is alsa in lenny a "newer" (for the purpose of option names) version?
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04:28<chealer>EmleyMoor: what do you mean by ""newer""?
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04:30<EmleyMoor>http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards - Why doesn't this code work when using newer ALSA versions? The syntax for the module options has changed...
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04:33<chealer>EmleyMoor: uh, that depends what version the guy referred to. I don't know whether that's something the page should tell.
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04:37<EmleyMoor>After updating stuff in /etc/modprobe.d, how do I make it take effect?
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04:40<blarson>EmleyMoor: /etc/modprobe.d is only read at boot. So you need to reboot.
04:41<EmleyMoor>I've somehow managed what I needed to for now... and it will only be a problem from next boot, so hopefully that is that
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04:43<jm_>no it's read at modprobe time
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05:06<spectral>if i have 2gb mb-ram, would be recommended don't add swap? without swap the system couldn't be stable?
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05:07<petemc>it will be stable until you need more than 2gig ram
05:08<padski>heh, I don't see how adding swap changes that ?
05:08<petemc>it will use the swap when it needs it
05:08<petemc>if there is no swap, it wont
05:09<padski>and when that runs out ?
05:09<petemc>OOM killer etc
05:09<padski>same deal, yes ?
05:09<petemc>sorry, whats your point?
05:10<aptituz>besides that when removing swap from your system you loose features such as suspend to disk
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05:11<padski>aptituz, good point, I don't use it so it didn't occur to me.
05:11<aptituz>generally having swap inside of the system is better, even if you don't use it. this way linux has the chance to swap out unused pages and use the freed ram for filesystem caches
05:12<aptituz>(unused as in inactive pages)
05:12<spectral>mmm... so 1gb for swap is fine?
05:13<padski>I seem to recall that with enough swap you get enough time from the thrashing to intervene even if your using up memory pretty fast :-)
05:14<padski>petemc, my point was simply that your explanation might be confusing.
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05:16<spectral>and in case i need more than these 1gb i could create an additional swap?
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05:20<jm_>yes
05:22<aptituz>spectral: unless you want to use suspend to disk
05:23<spectral>aptituz: i think i'm gonna use it. :)
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05:24<petemc>padski: confusing how?
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05:30<aptituz>spectral: then you need the size of your memory
05:30<aptituz>afaik
05:31<padski>petemc, as to whether having swap is any more or less stable than not having it. for instance, it raised enough of a doubt with me that I decided to ask, and I'm fairly sure of my understanding. as it happenned I hadn't don't think of suspend when I think about swap (and I have managed to shoot myself in the foot with that recently), so it just goes to show that there is always something new to learn :-)
05:33<petemc>padski: how is it confusing that you cant use swap that you dont have?
05:33<spectral>aptituz: alright then.
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05:35<padski>petemc, I have swap, what are you talking about ? ;-)
05:36<petemc>padski: you didnt ask the question
05:36<petemc>i think the only one confused here is you
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05:36<padski>petemc, fair enough. I didn't specify who was confused, I think you'll find I did ask a question.
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05:39<petemc>padski: right, to answer your question - having swap will help stability when the machine runs out of 'real' ram. obviously swapping isnt ideal and will cause a system to be slow but its preferable to having things crash
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05:52<spectral>thank you so much guys. i'm leaving... cya
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06:21<lamothe>jm_: Cheers, I think that the "acpi=off" was the one that finally got it.
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06:27<jm_>lamothe: but that's not very desirable on laptops
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06:34<michan>How do I update a folder fetched by git?
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06:34<lamothe>jm_: True, I now have no battery monitor, but I gained a DVB device and a wireless card due to the newer kernel.
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06:35<lamothe>jm_: i.e The battery is not a deal breaker.
06:35<lamothe>*monitor
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06:36<lamothe>michan: Does `git --help` give you anything?
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06:41<jm_>michan: read git tutorial
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06:44<mmaher>lol
06:45<mmaher>!lol
06:45<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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06:47<michan>lamothe: Thanks, found out already.
06:48<phorce1>What is the command to find out what libraries an executable is using? I've been fiddling with installing mplayer, kaffeine, and mythtv to play with my dvb-s card and now vlc doesn't display the video when playing a .avi file. Mpegs play fine.
06:48<phorce1>This happened once before on another system but I didn't correlate the myth/mplayer/kaffeine installs with vlc breaking
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06:51<jm_>phorce1: ldd
06:51<jm_>but that won't help if an app is using dlopen
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06:52<phorce1>jm_: other players show .avi video just fine. Only vlc stops working
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06:53<Web-sidux382>hi
06:55<phorce1>I guess I really need to do a search through /lib/ and /usr/lib/ looking for mdates in the last 24 hours. vlc worked yesterday
06:55<jm_>dpkg log is a better place to check
06:55<dpkg>...but log is already something else...
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06:57<phorce1>heh
06:58<phorce1>jm_: I've done an upgrade as well so there's a lot of random stuff in the log. (lenny system)
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07:02<salo>so bin wieder da
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07:06<phorce1>main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID' <--- yuck
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07:07<anovaes>Oi
07:07<anovaes>alguém ao vivo?
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07:09<phorce1>Hah -- that's it though. libxvidcore.so.4 looks like it got a new version installed with the mythtv install
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07:17<Web-sidux382>i have hdd 3,5'' for backups connected via usb
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07:17<Web-sidux382>what fs you recommend?
07:17<Web-sidux382>i need journaling?
07:17<Web-sidux382>or ext2 is better in this case
07:18<petemc>i use ext3
07:18<petemc>but thats largely because i use ext3 for everything
07:18<Web-sidux382>i use xfs generally
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07:21<enouf>phorce1: find . -mtime -1 -type f or something
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07:23<enouf>anyone here get some bullcrap dcc send keylogger crap from someone named "Dark_titan"? (i closed out the windows, so i don't know which network it was from)
07:23<petemc>#debian on freenode
07:23<enouf>petemc: thanks
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07:30<phorce1>enouf: I found more info on google. It's he ffmpeg packages from debian-multimedia. Be nice if d-m would change their packagenames and .so links to be different from the official packages.
07:31<phorce1>enouf: I'll just watch my .avi's with something else for now. I only use vlc because I'ved used it a long time and am comfortable with the keyboard commands
07:33<enouf>phorce1: cool - i tried vlc, the gtk1ish interface is fugly, but i see how/why people like it - i would use it also, if it wasn't slower than mplayer or xine
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07:34<phorce1>enouf: And, 'ls -ltr /usr/lib/ | less' worked better for the find and search. Nice sorted list to scroll through
07:35<enouf>phorce1: i think i pinned dmm, but i do always get the latest packages (multimedia) from there, rather than the standard official mirrors
07:35<phorce1>enouf: "gtkish" <--- I click on a video file, double click to maximize, then never touch a mouse again
07:35<Web-sidux382>enouf, you could use command line for vlc too
07:35<enouf>i guess i mean the interface - whatever - i don't use mplayer in gui mode
07:35<enouf>ok
07:36<enouf>but since i had never used it prior - twas easier to point and click :-P
07:37<enouf>(although - those horrid gtkish buttons/boxes/radio thingies-whatever they are - i can never distinguish disabled from enabled - ugh)
07:37<Web-sidux382>and its great fo streaming media
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07:38*phorce1 is still looking for a video player with adjustable "shuffle forward" and "shuffle back" timings for skipping credits and such. 5 seconds forward and 3 seconds back would be good.
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07:39<jm_>mplayer has 10 secs forward
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07:39<phorce1>jm_: and also 10 when you go back?
07:40<enouf>sure
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07:40<enouf>10, 1min, 10 minutes
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07:40<enouf>(or something)
07:41<phorce1>There needs to ba an offset so if you start shuffling from a point that always puts you *past* where you want to go you don't end up back where you started when you go backwards
07:41<enouf>yeah, timing is funny - i notice all sorts of timing skewing bugs
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07:42<james_>hi all
07:42<james_>is anybody familiar with the windows debian installer
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07:43<james_>just I thought I'd give it a go and have a minor problem
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07:44<james_>mainly that the boot process is:
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07:44<james_>grub (MBR) -> windows option -> secondary boot loader -> windows option -> boot
07:45<james_>I basicly trying to get rid of the secondary (debian installer) boot loader
07:46<jm_>why does that matter? you only use it once
07:47<james_>i use debian 98.9 % of the time and want to be able to run windows from within a virtual machine
07:47<james_>and this is causing problems
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07:50<jm_>there is something i don't get then
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07:53<tzafrir_laptop>james_, windows from a virtual machine? so set debian as the default of the boot loader (grub, I assume)
07:53<tzafrir_laptop>isn't it?
07:53<enouf>james_: er .. grub (MBR) -> windows option (menu.lst choice?) -> secondary boot loader (NTLDR?) -> windows option (from BOOT.ini ?) -> boot <--if so, tell the winpoop ntloader to remove the choice - maybe you want to modify boot.ini?
07:54*tzafrir_laptop gives something to jm_
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07:55<james_>enouf: that sounds like a possibility
07:55<james_>i'm not that familiar with windows
07:55<james_>where is boot.ini?
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07:55<enouf>james_: in C:\ ;-)
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07:55<enouf>start > run > notepad /p boot.ini :-P
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07:56<enouf>erm, notepad.exe ? ask ##windows on freenode or somehitng
07:56<enouf>it's a hidden file and you need admin privs to edit it, iirc
07:57<enouf>there's also some gui way to get to it
07:57<james_>thats ok i just mounted in debian
07:57<james_>and yes, there is a debian installer option in there
07:57<james_>thanks
07:57<aptituz>cmd.exe -> attrib -s -h -r c:\boot.ini -> notepad c:\boot.ini --> attrib +s +h +r c:\boot.ini
07:58<enouf>aptituz: you forgot the editing part :-P
07:58<tzafrir_laptop>wine cmd.exe , that is
07:58<aptituz>enouf: i guess that /dev/brain is at site
07:58*enouf runs enouf if=/dev/zero -> /dev/brain :-p
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07:59<aptituz>lol
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08:04<essantosd>,ola
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08:05<essantosd>Quero conhecer uma mulher
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08:05<enouf>essantosd: espanol ?
08:05<essantosd>buceta
08:06<enouf>portuguese?
08:06<essantosd>sim
08:06<enouf>turkey?
08:06<essantosd>qual e seu nome
08:06<enouf>inglese aqui only
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08:08<essantosd>fala em portuques meu bem
08:08<essantosd>quero come sua buceta
08:09<essantosd>fala
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08:14<tlebleis>Hello! I installed Debian yesterday on an EeePC 901. When trying to configure the wireless using the "native driver", there is a complain for a missing "build" sub-directory in /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686.
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08:14<tlebleis>I can create it, but then I have other errors... I suppose I have misconfigured/not installed/compiled something...
08:15<tlebleis>can anyone help me?
08:15<weasel>you probably didn't install the kernel headers?
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08:16<tlebleis>I did apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
08:16<tlebleis>do you mean somthing else?
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08:16<tlebleis>(no error reported during the apt-get)
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08:23<jm_>tlebleis: build dir is provided by linux-headers package, does your package not provide it then?
08:23<jm_>(symlink, not dir)
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08:25<tlebleis>seems that something went wrong, since I did not delete that simlink myself... should I reboot after installing the kernel header?
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08:26<jm_>no, check package contents
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08:27<Searcher>hi there, does anyone know of a linux/debian page that describes kernel limits?
08:27<Searcher>something like this for freebsd: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/configtuning-kernel-limits.html
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08:28<jm_>a lot of that is explained in kernel docs
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08:32<numpto>hi, i just installed a 2.6 kernel but when I want to do a apt-get upgrade its stll asking me to download an older kernel version. anyone know why?
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08:36<tlebleis>jm, I am not sure what I am looking for. I tried apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686...
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08:37<jm_>tlebleis: dpkg -L linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686|grep build
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08:39<tlebleis>it claims something in /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build (among other results), but ls says "No such file or directory"
08:40<jm_>who says no such file or directory?
08:40<tlebleis>ls /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build
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08:41<jm_>yeah so something deleted it, reinstall the package
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08:43<tlebleis>ok, that worked! thanks!
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08:48<oxmoz`>hello, I run Debian testing on my laptop (Dell Latitude E6400), everything is fine when I boot, wether the AC power plugged or not, but if I plug/unplug it while the computer is running, my X server becomes very slow, when I switch between window clients I can see the horizontal refreshing especially with urxvt, and if I reboot everything works fine again, it's only when I plug/unplug the AC power battery that I have troubles... I have
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08:49<oxmoz>and restarting X does not work, I really have to reboot
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08:49<jm_>oxmoz: perhaps your CPU stats throttling?
08:49<jm_>starts*
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08:50<oxmoz>jm_: nope, I'm monitoring my CPU and I can't see anything wrong
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08:50<jm_>oxmoz: how are you monitoring it?
08:50<oxmoz>displaying the CPU usage in a widget
08:51<jm_>run cpufreq-info before and after, compare the outout
08:51<oxmoz>ok, will do
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08:57<oxmoz>jm_: apparently the governor for my CPU is not available :/ (Setting ondemand CPUFreq governor...disabled, governor not available)
08:57<jm_>oxmoz: ahh perhaps cpufreq is not even active then - that can be ruled out then, see for yourself with ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
08:58<petererer>Hi.
08:59<oxmoz>jm_: don't have this file :/ I tried to locate it, but without success
08:59<petererer>ls
08:59<petererer>Er :o
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09:02<jm_>oxmoz: yeah so that doesn't seem to be it
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09:04<petererer>I just installed Etch on an HP DL140... Having serious performance issues somewhere :o
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09:09<ambrogetto>Hi
09:10<ambrogetto>do you tell my ip?
09:10<petemc> /sbin/ifconfig
09:10<ambrogetto>my public ip
09:10<stew>ambrogetto: you appear to be connected via tor, so no, if that is what you mean
09:11<ambrogetto>yes
09:11<ambrogetto>stew>do you tell my ip?
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09:11<ambrogetto>please
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09:13<stew>ambrogetto: what do you mean? you appear to be connected via "tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net", you've previously connected from 91.121.197.128 and 79.25.114.254
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09:13<stew>stew@tang:~$ host rps1348.ovh.net
09:13<stew>oops
09:13<jm_>FAIL
09:13<ambrogetto>thanks
09:14<petererer>Meh, disabling ACPI does not help :(
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09:18<torrr>how do I check which driver is loaded for my LAN?
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09:20<numpto>hi, i'm trying to compile my kernel manually and trying to add 'nat' functionality but I cant find it anywhere in the menus. anyone know where?
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09:21<jm_>numpto: you can use search functionality
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09:22<numpto>that only brings up nf_nat_proto_gae, but I don't know if there are any other results
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09:23<numpto>youre talking about '/' in the menuconfig yeah?
09:23<jm_>yeah
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09:24<jm_>there is NF_NAT
09:24<petemc>is it not still all under netfilteR?
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09:25<jm_> < > IPv4 connection tracking support (required for NAT) (NEW)
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09:27<numpto>*shrugs* im trying iptables -t net -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE but it says that the nat tables doesn't exist
09:27<numpto>i tried searching for 'connection tracking' but nothing came up
09:29<numpto>im using a 2.6 kernel, and ive got the 'ip tables support (req for filtering/masq/NAT)' selected as a module but i still get that error
09:29<petemc>theres a lot to be said for using kernel images..
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09:30<numpto>true, but debian hasn't come out with an image > 2.4.24, which is what I need to use with my wireless isp
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09:30<otaku42>numpto: you have a typo, either here on console: "... -t n*e*t ..."
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09:31<numpto>oops that should be -t nat, but thats what i've been typing
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09:32<petererer>Hmm, the installer is really fast, but once it boots... :/
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09:36<otaku42>numpto: check lsmod, iirc modules iptable_nat and ip_nat are required for the nat stuff to become available.
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09:37<numpto>only iptable_filter and ip_tables show, a | grep nat shows nothing
09:37<Lyk4n8rwp0S>Hello I am installing debian-40r4a on my laptop and I get an error during "select and install software" stage by 'Installing Ispell" and when I re-executed "select and install software" I got an error on "configuring xserver-xorg" what is going on? I had installed debian 40r0 in the past and everything worked perfectly what could be wrong now?
09:37<otaku42>numpto: which might explain why using "-t nat" results in the error you got
09:38<Lyk4n8rwp0S>(sorry not on a laptop on a desktop)
09:38<numpto>yeah, thats why i'm trying to figure out what I need to do to get the module compiled, but I can't find where in the config to enable it.. I thought it already was
09:39<enouf>Lyk4n8rwp0S: if nobody can help - try eventually in #debian-boot .. anyway which arch?
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09:39<otaku42>numpto: you use a packaged kernel, or did you build one yourself?
09:39<torrr>how can I see which module eth0 use?
09:39<enouf>torrr: dmesg is one way
09:40<numpto>built one myself. the packgaged ones only go up to .24 but > .25 is needed to get it working with my wireless isp
09:40<numpto>i've never actually used a packaged kernel before tbh
09:41<numpto>im new to debian
09:41<otaku42>numpto: i see. well, all i can tell you is: it works for me with the standard etch kernel. but i guess that is not exactly what you want to hear now :)
09:41<enouf>torrr: udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0
09:42<enouf>torrr: udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 | grep DRIVERS
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09:42<numpto>otaku42 with packaged kernels, how do they work.. just like installing any other package? what if you want to add a patch, doable?
09:42<torrr>so it say sk98lin
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09:42<torrr>and pcieport-driver
09:43<torrr>so this is not the sky2
09:43<torrr>is sk98lin a built in linux driver?
09:43<otaku42>numpto: required modules get loaded automatically (or are probably loaded by default already, not sure), so "iptables -t nat ..." just works.
09:43<stew>torrr: i thought you said that /sys/class/net/eth0 doesn't exist?
09:43<torrr>stew, I have eth0 and eth1
09:44<enouf>torrr: $ lspci -k is another way - see Kernel driver in use: lines
09:44<numpto>sweet
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09:45<torrr>enouf: -k is invalid option
09:45<enouf>you're not using debian then
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09:45<stew>enouf: or he's using debian stable
09:45<enouf>or ubuntu
09:45<torrr>enouf, I do, etch
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09:46<petererer>:o
09:46<petererer>Using the 486 kernel works fine...
09:46<enouf>i didn't realize stable's lspci sucked
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09:47<torrr>enouf, I am so want to move to lenny
09:47*torrr grammar damn it!
09:47<torrr>ok
09:47<amphi>torrr: what stops you?
09:48<enouf>petererer: if you have more than 1G of RAM, you might not want to use the -486
09:48<torrr>amphi, usually people here tell me, that for a server it is a bad idea to use testing
09:48<petererer>I have 4GB of RAM, and 2 * Xeons...
09:48<stew>torrr: yes, for a server it is a bad idea to use testing
09:48<enouf>petererer: well what does free -m say?
09:48<Gekz>enouf: why does -486 limit ram.
09:48<petererer>885MB :)
09:48<torrr>enouf, see ^
09:49<amphi>torrr: oh, a server, ok
09:49<petererer>Hmm
09:49<enouf>Gekz: there ya go
09:49<amphi>torrr: well, it won't be long now ;)
09:49<torrr>enouf, sorry meant amphi
09:49<stew>Gekz: becuase few 486/586 based machines have more than 1g of ram
09:49<Gekz>but why limit it anyway?
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09:49<torrr>amphi, I see that lenny already have fewer release critical bugs than etch
09:49<petererer>Right, my problem is performance is sucking with the proper kernel.
09:49<enouf>Gekz: are you asking me why it's configed that way? Because NOHIGHMEM is configured
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09:50<enouf>Gekz: compatibility
09:50<Gekz>hwo so?
09:50<amphi>torrr: good-oh; I haven't checked the rc bug count of late
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09:50<torrr>amphi, it is about 260
09:50<stew>Gekz: becuase adding HIGHMEM4G has some overhead to it
09:50<enouf>Gekz: ask the kernel maintainers :-P i think they know what they're doing ;-)
09:50<enouf>and yep, it certainly does have overhead
09:51<enouf>i might even recompile one on this 512M -686 system, just to test
09:51<petererer>Enough to make some read operations unbearably slow?
09:51<Gekz>I see.
09:51<petererer>(On this 4GB 2 * 2.4GHz Xeon system)
09:52<enouf>petererer: well, you just lose 3G of RAM :-P
09:52<petererer>And a CPU.
09:52<enouf>right
09:52<petererer>Not ideal.
09:52<enouf>no SMP
09:52<petererer>ACPI seems to be fubar on it.
09:52<petererer>But even disabling that doesn't help.
09:52<enouf>petererer: maybe you can chainsaw it in half and get two working pieces ;-)
09:53<enouf>petererer: disabling ACPI even on a -686 and SMP kernel can make cores vanish
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09:54<petererer>It didn't.
09:54<petererer>But my performance issue didn't go away either.
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09:56<torrr>ok , I have downloaded the marverl driver package, and the marvel driver calls itself sk98lin so it is probably my driver
09:56*petererer ponders testing with reduced RAM.
09:56<petererer>The annoying thing is, I know Windows would work perfectly :(
09:57<stew>petererer: can you be more specific about your performance issues?
09:58<stew>petererer: can you run "vmstat 1" for a short while while you are having performance problems, and put the results into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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09:58<torrr>thanks all
09:58<petererer>Seems some IO operations are slow.
09:58<petererer>Okay, will try that.
09:58<petererer>Although...
09:59<petererer>Just booted with 2GB instead of 4GB and performance is fine.
10:00<enouf>petererer: keep track of whatever kernel options you are passing at boot (dmesg has it, but also cat /proc/cmdline)
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10:00<enouf>petererer: are all the ram sticks the same make/model/size/speed/type, etc?
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10:00<petererer>Yes, all HP branded.
10:01<enouf>how many DIMM slots total?
10:01<petererer>4.
10:01<enouf>...
10:01<petererer>4 slots, 4 DIMMs.
10:01<enouf>i see - shoots down the mismatched populated slots idea :-P
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10:02<petererer>So... 4GB on a 32 bit system...
10:02<enouf>petererer: but with 4G you might want to use a -bigmem kernel, and enable memory remap hole in the BIOS
10:02<petererer>But it shouldn't suck, should it...
10:02<petererer>I did use a -bigmem kernel
10:02<enouf>no, it shouldn't - be specific as someone asked
10:02<petererer>And the BIOS has no such option. It's a numpty server BIOS :(
10:03<petererer>Well, I shall put the extra memory back in and run vmstat.
10:03<enouf>petererer: how about the regular -686 non -bigmem?
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10:03<petererer>Same issue.
10:03<enouf>petererer: kernel versions are?
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10:04<petererer>2.6.18-5-686 and 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem
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10:04<petererer>(So not exactly the same)
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10:05<Gekz>is it using PAE?
10:05<enouf>petererer: try the non -bigmem .24-etchnhalf.1-686 as well (i guess worth a shot)
10:05<enouf>Gekz: the -bigmem one is
10:06<enouf>though there isn't much to use :-P
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10:07<petererer>Yes, I'm just installing each variant of each.
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10:13<petererer>Trying .24 non -bigmem
10:13<petererer>Taking it's time :o
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10:16<petererer>http://paste.openttd.org/109504 < vmstat 1
10:16<petererer>Line 43 is where I ran "apt-cache search foo > /dev/null"
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10:18<petererer>http://paste.openttd.org/109508 < bash takes a few seconds to start, from lines 8 to 12.
10:18<petererer>Not much IO...
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10:20<ranix_>petererer: have you tested all ram and hard disks with i.e. memtest86 and quicktech
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10:20<enouf>petererer: well, i can say one thing - you don't need a -bigmem kernel with that amount of ram - anymore ram and you would
10:20<stew>petererer: odd. that seems like way too much io just for apt-cache search. i don't see much of anything happening in the second one
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10:25<petererer>Indeed.
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10:25<enouf>petererer: does populating all four dimm slots slow bus speed? (in the BIOS) - you tried 2G, now try 3G and relook at your BIOS settings, in the DRAM area
10:26<petererer>The BIOS has no options :)
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10:26<enouf>...
10:26<ranix_>option != reporting FSB
10:26<enouf>remote? VPS?
10:26<petererer>It basically has date/time and boot device options.
10:26<ranix_>there must be SOMETHING in the bios
10:26<petererer>Oh, and Hyperthreading (which is off)
10:27<enouf>HT? on Xeons? how old are these things?
10:27<ranix_>some xeons do have HT
10:27<enouf>old ones, sure
10:27<petererer>They're P4-based Xeons.
10:27<enouf>netburst only
10:27<ranix_>even some multicore processors still have ht
10:27<ranix_>ht is not useless with multiple cores
10:27<enouf>newer ones - but only for Quad+ core, IINM
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10:28<ranix_>intel dual core pentium processors have ht
10:28<enouf>none of the Dual core ones that i;ve seen use HT, it's all core(2) based
10:28<petererer>Memory speed is 266 MHz, regardless of how many DIMMs are installed.
10:28<enouf>no they don't
10:29<ranix_>dual core pentium D does indeed have ht
10:29<enouf>266*4 you mean :-P
10:29<petererer>* 4?
10:29<enouf>ranix_: gah - those are not Xeons, and those are p4 based
10:30<petererer>I should rerun those vmstat tests with 2 and 3GB of RAM.
10:30<petererer>If I can't solve this I guess I'll just run it reduced.
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10:31<enouf>petererer: yes, quad pumped - which is where you get those high insane Intel marketing bus speeds such like 533-1066
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10:31<enouf>and higher now
10:31<petererer>Oh, this is memory bus speed, not CPU bus speed.
10:31<petererer>DDR is still DDR ;)
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10:32<ranix_>the xeon paxville dual core definitely has ht
10:32<ranix_>I am not mistaken
10:32<petererer>CPU bus speed is 133MHz. It's old ;P
10:32<enouf>petererer: what speed does DDR-400 run at?
10:32<Oberix82>\exit
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10:33<ranix_>the Dempsey also has HT
10:33<ranix_>the Itanium probably doesn't have ht
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10:33<enouf>ranix_: they are all p4 generation
10:33<enouf>ia64 does
10:33<petererer>Right... 3GB is instant too.
10:33<enouf>3G == hot to trot?
10:34*enouf wonders what 3x 1G + 1x 512M would do
10:34<enouf>or even 1x 256M
10:34<petererer>vmstat shows pretty much *nothing* for "apt-cache search foo > /dev/null"
10:34<petererer>It takes 0.5s instead of 17s.
10:35<enouf>yikes
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10:35<enouf>petererer: i wonder - try a lenny .26-686 kernel
10:35<enouf>(when you get to it ;-))
10:35<petererer>Where do I find that?
10:35<petererer>(In lenny, obviously :D)
10:35<enouf>!pdo
10:36<enouf>erm
10:36<dpkg>http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
10:36<enouf>wow .. laggy
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10:37<petererer>Package Size 2.3KB... maybe the meta package isn't so useful :)
10:37<enouf>haha
10:38<petererer>linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 then...
10:38<enouf>ding ding
10:38<petererer>Hmm
10:38<enouf>actually - install the metapkg
10:38<enouf>it'll pull in the other real one as a depends, though - hrm .. grab both :-P
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10:39<petererer>The metapackage won't be much use if I only have etch in my sources list, will it?
10:39<petererer>Maybe I should just run lenny anywa :D
10:39<enouf>right
10:39<enouf>nah
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10:39<enouf>grab both - and dpkg -i them
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10:46<petererer>Installationorizing.
10:48<petererer>Hmm, is there a kernel option to limit memory?
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10:48<enouf>mem=
10:49<enouf>http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.3/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
10:49<enouf>(careful of which options apply to which kernel versions)
10:51<petererer>Hmm, never mind.
10:51<petererer>Lenny's kernel works perfectly with 4GB.
10:52<petererer>[ 0.000000] WARNING: BIOS bug: CPU MTRRs don't cover all of memory, losing 4MB of RAM.
10:52<petererer>Might be related... the previous kernels did not show that.
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10:54<petererer>Thanks for all your help :)
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11:02<petererer>Heh, and reading package lists takes < 1 second instead of about 2 minutes.
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11:03<enouf>petererer: cool - all i see in my kernels are CONFIG_MTRR=y in .16 , .18 , .23 , .26
11:03<Lyk4n8rwp0S> hello. I burned the netistall of etchnhalf and proceeded to installation I get an error again on "kernel : hda: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 {DriveReadySeekComplete Error}
11:03<enouf>petererer: but check out what this option says, though i can't see how it would be 'enabled' on your boots http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.3/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L601
11:03<Lyk4n8rwp0S>"kernel : hda: media error (bad sector): status=0x30 LastFailedSense=0x03}
11:04<enouf>unless .. Buggy BIOS :-P
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11:05<kamaraju>I am unable to play videos in http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/episodes/ . Is there any package (may be from Marillat's repository) that I can install to get it working automatically?
11:05<enouf>petererer: you doing anything funky with your video? (and those xeons are likely 32bit Xeons) , IIUC, you said there's 2 sockets?
11:06<kamaraju>I am using Debian Etch
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11:07<kamaraju>When I go to that website, it says "requires Adobe flash player 9 or greater"
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11:07<petererer>I'm not doing anything with video. It'll be headless. I am aware they are 32bit CPUs, of course.
11:08<kamaraju>I have tried to install libflash-mozplugin, flashplayer-mozilla, libflash-swfplayer
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11:08<kamaraju>But still I get the same error
11:08<enouf>if, so, that'll explain why disabling acpi didn't disable one core, (those are two separate cpus/sockets), so an (S)MP machine, and i bet the need for true ioapic overcomes that
11:08<petemc>kamaraju: do youtube videos work?
11:08<Bleupomme>Hello, is there a way to know which block file in /dev stands for the cdrom?
11:08<enouf>!flashplugin-nonfree
11:08<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
11:08<petererer>That option sounds very likely, combined with a buggy BIOS.
11:08<petemc>Bleupomme: dmesg should say
11:09<petererer>I did try updating it but had no luck. HP's site is a maze of 404s...
11:09<Bleupomme>petemc: I want this to happen automatically. I cannot check dmesg
11:09<kamaraju>Yes, youtube videos work fine.
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11:09<enouf>Bleupomme: as petermc said, you can also cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info
11:09<Bleupomme>enouf: thank you
11:09<enouf>udev rules (and your /etc/fstab) set that
11:10<kamaraju>enouf: I did install flashplayer-mozilla. But I am still getting the same error
11:10<enouf>well, checking dmesg is the same as catting a file :-P
11:10<petemc>your method has the advantage of working even if dmesg is overwritten
11:10<enouf>kamaraju: sorry, i don't use plugins, i use "/msg dpkg youtube script" along with mplayer from xterm for youtube vids
11:11<enouf>petemc: perhaps - but /var/log/dmesg shouldn't ever be :-)
11:11<petemc>kamaraju: it may want silverlight
11:11<kamaraju>what is silverlight?
11:12<petemc>microsofts version of flash
11:12<kamaraju>Is anyone able to play the videos on http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/episodes/
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11:12<petemc>im in ireland so no
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11:13<petemc>just torrent that shit or use surfthechannel.com or some such
11:13<enouf>yeah, that's all proprietary SWF ActiveX object crap
11:13<enouf>unlike youtube FLV files
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11:14<enouf>kamaraju: (so, the youtube script i mentioned wouldn't work anyway - mplayer can't handle SWF files, but can play FLV ones)
11:15<kamaraju>I see!
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11:22<RimFrost>hello everyone, can some one help me with the nvidia driver on Etch 4.0 r4, i installed the driver from nvidia.com but it wont start at boot up when i change to nvidia in x
11:22<RimFrost>the screen just flash and i end up back in the shell again
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11:22<kamaraju>I posted the question on d-u. Let's see if someone answeres there!
11:22<kamaraju>see you all
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11:23<RimFrost>im running the x64 version of the system by the way
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11:25<enouf>petererer: just a wild-assed guess - but with all the slower running kernels/IO (using 4G RAM), have you tried enabling HT in the BIOS to see if that has any affect?
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11:25<peter1138>Hmm, that was silly. Didn't realise this with oftc :p
11:25<enouf>!lose me
11:25<dpkg>enouf: You Lose.
11:25<peter1138>I lose :(
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11:25<enouf>petererer: just a wild-assed guess - but with all the slower running kernels/IO (using 4G RAM), have you tried enabling HT in the BIOS to see if that has any affect?
11:25<enouf>!win me
11:25<dpkg>Congratulations, enouf! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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11:26<peter1138>Yeah, I tried both enabled and disabled. Made no difference.
11:26<peter1138>I've left it off.
11:26<RimFrost>so im forced to go back to the nv driver...
11:26*enouf crowns himself; reanimator :-P
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11:27<enouf>darnnit ~Kamaraju@cpe-69-202-89-205.twcny.res.rr.com (*)
11:27<enouf>no memoserv here :-/
11:27*enouf goes to d-u to answer ...
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11:38<peter1138>So yeah, hyperthreading is worth disabling, isn't it?
11:38<peter1138>I was told that it does bad things with L1 or L2 cache...
11:38<fxiny>hu ?
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11:40<ranix_>peter1138: you might want to wikipedia hyperthreading
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11:47<Guest1567>list
11:48<Guest1567>!list
11:48<dpkg>one warez list being sent to guest1567
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11:51<Guest1567>list rihanna
11:51<Guest1567>list mad
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11:52*fxiny when nervous slaps a Shark Aussy rag doll : so effective
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11:53*kop restrains himself from making jokes about slapping the shark
11:54*fxiny points kop to the "3 strikes and you are out" to solve the Shark Aussy mistery
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12:00<fxiny>oh f* : it seems in the USA 3 strikes is something different !
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12:07<fxiny>is about that little napo-frenchman no p2p ridicolous and failed attempt : been rejected in the EU
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12:09<prolix>is p2p still legal in the e.u.?
12:09<fxiny>is not that the problem
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12:09<kerz>p2p? illegal? how did you download debian? DD?
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12:10<prolix>i know that technically the entire internet is p2p, but i was speaking more for file sharing, like torrents
12:10<kerz>the debian dvd's can only be downloaded thru p2p
12:10<stew>kerz: that isn't true
12:10<prolix>and i'm in the good ole u.s of a, the land of the free!
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12:10<blarson>and the home of the dmca.
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12:11<parecen>haha
12:11<parecen>there is lots of legal content to be downloaded via torrents
12:11<prolix>kerz: there are local user groups who physically distribute copies of debian here, too
12:12<parecen>and for debian you can use FTP servers
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12:13<blarson>I've always used jigdo to get my debian dvd images.
12:14<prolix>i think jidgo's neat, but i've never used it
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12:15<Pryon>Technicall, the entire internet is *not* p2p :-)
12:15<prolix>it's not?
12:15<Pryon>somebody pirated a 'y' from that
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12:15<Pryon>prolix: no
12:15<prolix>how so?
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12:16<Pryon>prolix: I suppose you'd have to define p2p, but I assumed he meant in the same sense as bittorrent
12:16*fxiny passes around his crafty Shark Aussy rag doll
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12:17<prolix>disagreement without definition?
12:17<prolix>heh
12:18<fxiny>i use only bittorrent
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12:18<Pryon>fxiny That's a nice bt IRC client you've got there
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12:19<fxiny>Pryon: an old jailed irssi , planning to rebuild a lenny one asap
12:19<transiency>irc bittorrent client?
12:19<Pryon>I was referring to his earlier statement.
12:19<transiency>i missed it :(
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12:20<fxiny>irc or torrent ? > rtorrent
12:20<Pryon>10:18: < fxiny > i use only bittorrent
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12:20<transiency>yeah i use rtorrent as well
12:20<fxiny>ahhh
12:20<Pryon>I was being stupidly literal-minded
12:20<transiency>its the best client ive ever found
12:20<transiency>lol ah
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12:21<fxiny>it is
12:22<fxiny>i've seen some pretty nice rtorrent gui , i don't care but is nice
12:22<Pryon>fxiny: why rebuild the lenny irssi? Any interesting mods you're making?
12:22<transiency>yeah no real need for a gui, init
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12:22<fxiny>Pryon: because is a woody irssi i'm using :)
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12:23<parecen>p2p defines the roles in opposite to classic client and server roles
12:23<fxiny>Pryon: Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.9 (20031210 2316)
12:23<parecen>it does not desribe that data packets travel from one point to another
12:23<initiate>so i tried everything to configure X but nothing seems to work with my video card
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12:24<transiency>initiate, what does var log xorg.log say
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12:24<initiate>nv,nvidia,vesa,vga
12:25<transiency>:/
12:25<ffws|hathe>prolix: p2p is leagel everywhere, as long as you take care of the copyright of the files you share...
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12:25<transiency>lol
12:25<initiate>transiency where is this log file
12:25<transiency>p2p is a method, a decentralized method
12:25<transiency>in var log
12:26<transiency>initiate, in /var/log/
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12:27<prolix>ffws|hathe: i thought i remembered reading that the e.u. was considering legislation which would allow isps the right to physically throttle certain protocols, in particular bittorrent, in an attempt to thwart illegal file sharing
12:27<initiate>yes yes, looking at it
12:27<prolix>i'm not sure though
12:27<transiency>initiate, your gonna want to grep for lines starting at (EE)
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12:27<transiency>prolix, my isp throttles p2p
12:28<transiency>prolix, they even disconnect my cable modem remotely, make me reboot it
12:28<prolix>transiency: really?
12:28<transiency>aye
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12:28<transiency>they just booted me off before i joined this channel
12:29<initiate>transiency there aren't any lines starting with (EE), but a handful of (WW)
12:29<transiency>initiate, what do the (WW) ones say
12:29<prolix>i thought comcast was ordered to stop restricting torrent traffic through a lawsuit they wre involved with?
12:29<transiency>yeah erm
12:29<prolix>+e
12:29<transiency>they stopped doing protocol specific it appears
12:29<transiency>but only on the surface
12:30<transiency>i can download 800kB/s sustained from HTTP and not get my modem disconnected
12:30<transiency>but if i do 800kB/s sustained bt they disconnect me
12:30<transiency>or even 500kB/s
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12:30<enouf>http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Expands-New-Throttling-Tests-96633?nocomment=1
12:31<initiate>transiency some complaints that /X11/fonts/... don't exist, then 'Open ACPI failed, the dir doesn't exist again)
12:31<transiency>lol
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12:31<transiency>initiate, how did you install X?
12:31<fxiny>copyright ? i do not think Shark Aussy cares about copyright : he pretends , like all isp worldwide
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12:32<initiate>transiency which time? :p
12:32<prolix>huh. interesting
12:32<Zylvain>bt is not proxy-tunnelable?
12:32<transiency>infernix, multiple x installations
12:32<transiency>?
12:33<transiency>Zylvain, yeah it is
12:33<initiate>transiency , last i was adviced to upgrade to lenny, because my vid card is rather new so i did that
12:33<prolix>enouf: thank you
12:33<initiate>but again, i`m not sure that went quite well
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12:33<transiency>initiate, have you also installed gdm or kde or something?
12:33<initiate>gnome
12:34<transiency>and xorg log complains soemthing about fonts?
12:34<enouf>ok
12:34<initiate>tried to actually
12:34<initiate>when i tried to install gnome, it complained about glibc
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12:34<fxiny>enouf: hey ;)
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12:34<transiency>make sure xfonts-base installed
12:34<enouf>fxiny: hey!
12:34<initiate>that it requires v 2.7 + and mine is like 2.4, but then the kernel somethign ... and it went like a catch 22 for me
12:34<transiency>initiate, lol it did?
12:34<transiency>lol
12:35<transiency>:/
12:35<initiate>:)
12:35<transiency>this while you were running lenny?
12:35<initiate>I AINT GIVING UP,
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12:35<initiate>yep
12:35<enouf>grep (EE) /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:35<initiate>after i upgraded
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12:35<enouf>grep '(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log even
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12:36<initiate>i got nothing enouf
12:36<torrr>I have two network cards and I get replies only from the slow one
12:36<torrr>I fixed it once and forgot what I did
12:37<transiency>lol
12:37<transiency>load the right modules
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12:37<enouf>torrr: are both up? same route?
12:37<stew>initiate: if you are running lenny, you'd have libc6 2.7 already, not 2.4. if you have 2.4 you are very much out of date
12:37<torrr>both up
12:37<enouf>torrr: how about your z25 rules?
12:37<enouf>!z25
12:37<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
12:37<initiate>ok, let's get to business :)
12:37<stew>initiate: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6"?
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12:38<enouf>torrr: you can also use ethtool to inspect the cards status and such (and more)
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12:38<initiate>stew ready to laugh? :P
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12:38<stew>yes?
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12:38<initiate>2.3.6 :D
12:38<initiate>candidate 2.7-13
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12:38<stew>initiate: so you are running etch, not lenny
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12:39<stew>initiate: what did you mean by "and mine is like 2.4, but then the kernel somethign". what about the kernel? what does "uname -r" say?
12:39<initiate>2.6.18 ...
12:40<torrr>enouf, http://pastebin.com/m516f10c4
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12:40<initiate>stew i meant that it suggested in the msg that i load a 2.4 kernel, upgrade and then load 2.6 again and not to report this as a bug because it's a known problem
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12:40<enouf>torrr: you said "replies", replies from?
12:41<stew>initiate: what is "it". you shouldn't run a 2.4 kernel. what bug are you talking about exactly?
12:41<torrr>enouf, eth1 is 10Mbps, and by the speed I know it is the replier
12:42<initiate>... that was last night
12:42<stew>initiate: what are you trying to do exactly?
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12:43<initiate>stew trying to get X to run, but the attempts aren't successful so far
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12:43<initiate>so i installed libc6-2.7
12:44<enouf>torrr: eth1 -> RX bytes:80860215 (77.1 MiB) TX bytes:1314529218 (1.2 GiB) eth0 -> RX bytes:7383111 (7.0 MiB) TX bytes:7348 (7.1 KiB)
12:44<stew>initiate: you install libc6-2.7 just now?
12:44<initiate>stew, indeed
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12:45<enouf>torrr: i have no idea what your goal is, nor which is incoming, which is outgoing, or you want to use both as bonded/bridged or whatever
12:45<stew>initiate: you should fully upgrade to lenny, including installing the lenny 2.6.26 kernel: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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12:45<torrr>I see I have put some stuff in /etc/network/interfaces, I think that should have fixed it
12:45<initiate>stew, debian_version says lenny/sid
12:46<fxiny>yes
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12:46<stew>initiate: that means that at least one pacakge was upgraded to lenny at some point. the fact that you weren't already on libc6 from lenny means you must have a lot of packages to upgrade
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12:48<Teal>Hi, I'm having problems getting firefox to work on debian etch it says I have GTK+ 2.8 but need GTK+ 2.1 or newer? what can I do to fix this?
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12:48<torrr>/etc/network/if-up.d/eth0.route.start (END)
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12:48<torrr>http://pastebin.com/d46bd9597
12:49<fxiny>!firefox3
12:49<dpkg>somebody said ff3 was just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch>
12:49<fxiny>no . i want the "captain" firefox factoid
12:49<Teal>ah ok, thanks
12:50<enouf>torrr: oh, so one card is only a 10MB card (eth1) is it an ISA card?, not 10/100MB? ok, well mii-tool might work better on that one, though ()- i'd think ethtool would've
12:50<fxiny>Teal: wait
12:50<Teal>k
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12:50<enouf>torrr: /msg dpkg interfaces (for general info about configuring)
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12:51<torrr>I think the post-up script should have fixed my problem
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12:51<torrr>just it probably wasn't called at boot :/
12:52<fxiny>Teal: yes : /msg dpkg firefox 3 etch
12:53<Teal>ok, thanks a lot
12:53<fxiny>np
12:53<torrr>are post-up script in interfaces run at boot?
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12:53<torrr>no, dah
12:54<torrr>what should I do then?
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12:57<padski>I'm trying to run a qemu from .Xsession, but the mouse doesn't capture :-(
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12:57<initiate>ok i've done what the etch->lenny guide
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12:57<initiate>end result is: Current status: 5 broken [+3], 155 updates [-22]
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12:58<stew>initiate: "aptitude -f install" to fix the broken packages
12:58<initiate>stew done
12:58<initiate>so now everything should be fine with the lenny upgrade?
12:59<stew>initiate: did you install a lenny kernel?
12:59<stew>initiate: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to reconfigure x
12:59<initiate>how can i check if i have a lenny kernel?
12:59<enouf>torrr: maybe if-preup.d? or /etc/rc.local even?
12:59<torrr>seem to have lost the command ip ($ ip route add...)
12:59<stew>initiate: what does "uname -r" say?
12:59<initiate>still 2.6
12:59<initiate>so etch, right
12:59<torrr>command not found
13:00<torrr>where is it?
13:00<stew>initiate: what does "uname -r" say?
13:00<initiate>as i said, 2.6
13:00<stew>initiate: oh, this isn't linux then?
13:00<initiate>2.6.18-6-486 to be exact
13:00<torrr>what package is 'ip' in?
13:00<fxiny>initiate: did you reboot into 2.6.26 ?
13:01<stew>oh, yes, i wanted you to be exact. no that isn't the lenny kernel. what cpu do you have?
13:01<initiate>intel core 2 duo e4400
13:01<enouf>torrr: no, the /dir/ - you want to add a route on boot? sysctl (man sysctl.conf) might be best - or, you could setup a config in /etc/route/* ? "man ip" and "man route" see which file it is
13:01<initiate>fxiny , guess not
13:01<enouf>torrr: in iproute{2}
13:01<stew>initiate: "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686" to get the lastest kernel, then reboot. then run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to reconfigure x
13:02<torrr>enouf, man ip brings C stuff
13:02<initiate>thank you, stew
13:02<torrr># man 2 iproute
13:02<torrr>No manual entry for iproute in section 2
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13:02<torrr>i see iproute is not installed
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13:03<torrr>enouf, when I ran aptitude yesterday it has decided that iproute isn't used I think and removed it
13:04<initiate>stew ... before it installs the new kernel it says that the following dependancies will be left unresolved: libgnomevfs2-0 recommends gnome-mount
13:04<initiate>as you can guess i have no idea what that means
13:04<initiate>proceed anyway?
13:04<stew>initiate: an unresolved recommends isn't really much of a problem
13:04<initiate>off i go then
13:05<stew>initiate: what does "apt-cache policy apt-cache policy xserver-xorg" say for "Installed:"?
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13:05<enouf>aha
13:05<enouf>/etc/iproute2/
13:05<enouf>ematch_map rt_dsfield rt_protos rt_realms rt_scopes rt_tables
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13:05<initiate>1:7.3+16
13:06<stew>that's good
13:06<initiate>candidate matches
13:06<initiate>was going to guess that it is a good thing
13:06<initiate>i`ll just wait for the new kernel then, correct?
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13:07<formode>Hello, I'm trying to move my contacts in Apple's Address Book over to evolution on my Ubuntu machine, but I can't seem to have Evolution import it, the buttons are grey'd out, can someone help me out?
13:07<enouf>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iproute&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
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13:09<enouf>torrr: output of "route" and "arp" might also help you track down what ever it is you;re trying to do
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13:12<kerz>formode: ubuntu is another distro
13:12<initiate>here i am again
13:12<kerz>or have i wandered in the wrong channel by chance?
13:12<initiate>now i get the same thing that i've got when i tried with vesa driver
13:12<eddieB>i'm buying my new dedi server right now. and i have a choice between Linux Debian 3.1 and Debian Latest. which one do i choose? i want Etch, as i have now.
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13:13<initiate>stew, how come dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't ask me about driver to use, monitor and some other questions?
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13:13<formode>kerz, Sory.
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13:13<stew>initiate: because that stuff is automatically detected at runtime now
13:14<enouf>autoconfig initiate
13:14<initiate>well great then
13:14<initiate>now if it runs,i`ll be a happy camper
13:14<stew>eddieB: did we not already answer this question for you?
13:14<torrr>enouf, I'll have to re-learn what I did
13:14<torrr>enouf, thanks
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13:14<enouf>it's ok, i didn't help much
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13:15<initiate>hrm ... actually it asks only if i want to use framebuffer and to detect the kbd
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13:15<eddieB>stew: i didn't get an exact answer. this installation costs me over $100. i kinda don't want to have to pay that twice
13:15<torrr>enouf, you helped :)
13:15<enouf>say no to framebuffer initiate
13:15<enouf>torrr: ;-)
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13:15<stew>eddieB: you want etch aka 4.0. there is no such thing as "debian latest"
13:15<initiate>enouf i already tried both with and without framebuffer :p
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13:16<enouf>initiate: grep drv //var/log/Xorg.0.log to see your device drivers loaded
13:16<enouf>remove one /
13:16<stew>enouf: it says //var/logXorg.0.log not found :P
13:16<enouf>bastage :-p
13:16<initiate>nv_drv.so
13:17<initiate>so this means it's using the nv driver i guess?
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13:17<enouf>initiate: lspci | grep VGA says you have an nvidia card?
13:17<enouf>bingo
13:17<eddieB>stew: if i choose 3.1 can i upgrade to 4.0? or will that not work?
13:17<fxiny>why not potato then ? ;é
13:17<enouf>unless it's ancient hardwrae
13:18<enouf>haha, potato .. no porbs!
13:18<initiate>yes, it says i have an unknown device by nVidia corporation
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13:18<enouf>initiate: run update-pciids
13:18<enouf>as root/sudo
13:18<stew>eddieB: yes, "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" see chapter 4 of the release notes for the procedure. it would be recommended to just get an etch install however
13:18<enouf>might as well do update-usbids too
13:18<initiate>enouf how do i do this?
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13:18<initiate>aptitude or?
13:18<aptitude>[or] that just a bot
13:18<enouf>initiate: no, just in a terminal
13:19<enouf>aptitude: shaddup :-p
13:19<aptitude>enouf: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
13:19<initiate>ah, no run :P
13:19<eddieB>stew: so basically. just to be 100% clear. Debian 3.1 is what i should choose?
13:19<enouf>initiate: correct
13:19<enouf>sorry
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13:19<stew>eddieB: no, you want etch aka 4.0
13:19*prolix throws marshmallows @ eddieB
13:19<initiate>cheers enouf
13:19<initiate>:)
13:19<fxiny>heheh
13:19<enouf>preferably 4.0r4 :-)
13:20<initiate>finally it knows what's my card!
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13:20<enouf>bingo
13:20<eddieB>stew: there is no 4.0. i have to choose between 'Latest' and 3.1
13:20<stew>eddieB: find out what latest is
13:20<initiate>well, X still fails to load, but at least that's some progress
13:21<initiate>actually i want to elaborate on the X loading, because it's pretty weird
13:21<enouf>initiate: did you install "xorg" meta pkg?
13:21<fxiny>initiate: is your monitor detected ?
13:21<stew>honestly, i don't know if i'd trust a ISP that was still installing 3.1 on servers
13:21<initiate>it starts loading, i see the mouse cursor with X and in the top left corner there's a little terminal, the rest of the screen is gray
13:22<enouf>initiate: does grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log return anything other then MIT SCREEN stuff?
13:22<stew>initiate: sounds like X is working
13:22<fxiny>stew: eddie0 isp installs stuff like rar in /root ;)
13:22<fxiny>enouf: you !
13:22<fxiny>ops
13:22<fxiny>eddieB: you!
13:22<fxiny>same isp ? hahahah
13:22<enouf>initiate: how are you initiating it? kdm/gdm/xdm? or startx? or startkde?
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13:22<enouf>haha
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13:23<initiate>enouf startx
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13:23<fxiny>eddieB: and now it offers you "the latest" ? heheheh
13:23<enouf>hrm, no errors in the terminal initiate ?
13:23<eddieB>fxiny: i know, i'm constantly getting screwed..
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13:24<initiate>and to your previous question about Xorg.0.log, no it only says Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
13:24<enouf>fxiny: our isps aren't even close! :-p
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13:24<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
13:24<enouf>initiate: ok .. hrm .. got a window manager installed?
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13:24<enouf>a WM
13:24<initiate>enouf , no errors and i can even move the mouse
13:25<enouf>how about a DM? (kdm/xdm/gdm ?)
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13:25<initiate>enouf, if i do it wasn't intentional
13:25<enouf>apt-cache search x-window-manager choose one and install it :-)
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13:25<stew>initiate: did you say you wanted gnome?
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13:26<initiate>stew, yes
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13:26<stew>initiate: aptitude install gnome
13:26<initiate>so apt-get install gnome
13:26<initiate>i see
13:26<enouf>initiate: dpkg-reconfigure kdm{xdm,gdm} would let you know, as well as ls -l /etc/init.d/?dm
13:26<stew>initiate: then '/etc/init.d/gdm start' should give you a graphical login
13:26<enouf>oh
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13:27<initiate>this brings a tiny question
13:27<initiate>what's the difference between apt and aptitude?
13:27<enouf>a few letters :-P
13:27<initiate>good :p
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13:29<initiate>500mb to get and then hopefully everything will be fine
13:29<initiate>thanks a lot both of you guys
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13:42<katrini>Olá pessoal
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13:56<diem>does anyone have any idea why my amd64 debian/unstable install complains about "no such file or directory" when I try to run an i386 binary (for example one supplied in the ia32-* packages for amd64) ?
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13:57<enouf>diem: chroot environment?
13:57<diem>enouf: nope :(
13:57<Gathond>wrong paths?
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13:57<diem>Gathond: heh .. I hoped that was that easy .. here goes an example :
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13:57<diem>/usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun-1.6.0.07/jre/bin/java
13:57<diem>bash: /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun-1.6.0.07/jre/bin/java: No such file or directory
13:57<enouf>aren't those on;y libs? ergo; ia32-libs ?
13:58<diem>and the file exists .. and have execute perms ..
13:58<Gathond>diem: sorry, I'm about to have a telephone conference, so I'm not going to be able to help you at the moment
13:58<diem>Gathond: don't worry ;) .. still thanks ;)
13:58<enouf>!java
13:58<dpkg>[java] a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives>
13:58<enouf>!install java
13:58<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives>
13:58<enouf>!java amd64
13:58<dpkg>To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper> Alternatively, in lenny or later, try the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin package.
13:59<diem>enouf: that is shipped in the ia32-sun-java6-bin
13:59<enouf>see that last one
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14:00<diem>yes .. but I'm just trying to execute the java vm .. what is more curious ldd says "not a dynamic executable" and file says "dynamically linked"
14:00<jebuz>yo guys
14:00<jebuz>can someone link me to right stable version for amd, 32bit. :)
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14:00<enouf>!i386
14:00<dpkg>hmm... i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one.
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14:01<enouf>!di
14:01<dpkg>4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>.
14:01<diem>and isn't only about java ... it's any i386 app that I try to execute .. even those which I've installed in a chroot env (debootstrap with i386 arch)
14:01<jebuz>ok, im trying this lenny thing and it makes the computer wierd, :P
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14:02<jebuz>wich one is for amd phenom processors except amd64, thats 64bits right?
14:02<stevecotton>diem - try running it under strace, redirect the output to a file and see what the last few ENOENT errors point to?
14:04<diem>stevecotton: /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun-1.6.0.07/jre/bin/java ;) - which exists ....
14:04<diem>stevecotton: /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun-1.6.0.07/jre/bin/java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable ...
14:05<diem>that is what I've found the weirdest ;)
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14:05<stevecotton>diem - is that ENOENT in strace, or just the "No such file or directory" message?
14:05<jebuz>dpkg: is it i386 like other one wrote?
14:05<dpkg>jebuz: I don't know, could you explain it?
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14:06<diem>is the ENOENT one .. which the environment as the second parameter to the execve
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14:06<diem>stevecotton: I can make a pastebin of those outputs if you want to have a look
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14:06<jebuz>dpkg: well i wanna reinstall debian, using a stable version wich fits an amd phenom processor, and is 32bits
14:06<dpkg>jebuz: I think you lost me on that one
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14:07<jebuz>dpkg: and http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso is right to take?
14:07<dpkg>jebuz: that's too long
14:07<jebuz>whats to long?
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14:07<diem>jebuz: yes .. that should work on your phenon and 32bits ;)
14:07<jebuz>hmm is dpkg a bot? :P
14:07<diem>jebuz: dpkg is a bot :D
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14:08<jebuz>diem u also a bot? :P
14:08<chealer>haha
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14:08<chealer>!u
14:08<diem>jebuz: a broken one :D .. I have 32bits compatibility problems ;)
14:08<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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14:09<jebuz>hmm im getting scared
14:09<stevecotton>diem - that's confusing. I'd like to have a look, but probably can't say why it's breaking.
14:09<jebuz>is thats why i never can solve my problems with debian, because bots is answering with wierd things
14:09<chealer>jebuz: amd64 is 64-bit, indeed
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14:09<jebuz>chealer: ok :)
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14:10<jebuz>chealer: but for a phenom x4 i should use i386 if i wanna have it 32bits?
14:10<diem>stevecotton: no problem .. I've bashed my head several times .. I'll make a pastebin stuff .. you might have some idea ;)
14:10<jebuz>and is it anywhere i can check what it supports and etc?
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14:12<chealer>jebuz: yes
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14:13<diem>stevecotton: http://pastebin.com/d75f25a71
14:13<chealer>jebuz: i386 supports all X86 except pre-486 CPUs, and..."too recent hardware"
14:13<jebuz>chealer: ty :)
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14:15<chealer>jebuz: http://www.debian.org/ports/ has this information, but without the limitations
14:15<MotoHoss>libc6-i386 solved some 32bit problems for me on a lenny amd64 '2.6.26-1-amd64'.
14:16<diem>MotoHoss: if that was to me ... I already do have it ;)
14:16<spectral>how can i mount an usb driver?
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14:16<blarson>spectral: If you mean usb drive, use the mount command.
14:17<jebuz>chealer: is it up to date?
14:17<diem>MotoHoss: OMG! .. apt-get install --reinstall libc6-i386 fixed it ..
14:17<jebuz>looks kinda old, since its only "athlon"
14:17<diem>MotoHoss: I have done it on the ia32-* files but forgot it ... so something broke it .. and now it's fixed ..
14:17<diem>stevecotton: found the issue ;) ...
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14:18<spectral>blarson: oops. yea. drive*. shouldn't i edit something on fstab? how can i figure out where my usb dev is?
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14:19<blarson>spectral: You can, but don't have to, put an entry in /etc/fstab
14:19<diem>MotoHoss / stevecotton : Thanks for the help :)
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14:19<MotoHoss>jur velcome.
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14:20<blarson>spectral: Look at /var/log/syslog for messages when you insert your drive to see what device it is.
14:20<blarson>Or format it ext3, give it a label, and mount by label.
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14:22<spectral>blarson: "Sep 25 13:37:22 home kernel: usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 2"
14:24<spectral>blarson: i have a usb mouse connect on usb #1. and none on the usb #2. you want me to paste what "cat /var/log/syslog" showed so u can see and tell me where my usb #2 is?
14:24<spectral>an*
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14:29<fxiny>yes
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14:30<marco__>hi all!
14:30<spectral>!paste
14:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:30<chealer>jebuz: yes, except for the support of 80386 which was dropped. the examples don't mention all supported hardware.
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14:37<miky4e>hello!
14:38<miky4e>:D
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14:39<miky4e>i have a problem with my debian etch!
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14:41<blarson>!tell miky4e about ask
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15:13<jebuz>yoo
15:14<jebuz>how do i start the debian installer now :P
15:14<jebuz>tried everything, and this computer updated :P
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15:18<chealer>jebuz: did you check the installation guide?
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15:19<jebuz>checking now ty :)
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15:20<avu>slatka, stop sending me private messages please
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15:27<jebuz>chealer, didnt help me at all :(
15:28<jebuz>ive set bios to start from CD
15:28<jebuz>but then it says some error messsage,
15:28<jebuz>let me see
15:29<jebuz>disk boot failure, instert a system disk and press enter
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15:29<jebuz>ive burned netinst, and cd and tried
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15:32<chealer>jebuz: how did you burn the ISO?
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15:33<jebuz>chealer, with nero
15:33<jebuz>loaded the .img file
15:33<jebuz>and burned
15:33<jebuz>at slow speed
15:33<jebuz>twice
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15:33<parecen>jebuz: you selected "burn image to cdrom" in nero?
15:34<parecen>there is 2 traps. one trap is that some people burn a data cdrom. and some people burn cdrom images to dvd
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15:35<jebuz>parecen yes
15:36<jebuz>cd image
15:36<jebuz>in nero
15:36<parecen>jebuz: ok, and when you boot the led of the cdrom drive lights up before you get the error message?
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15:37<jebuz>yes
15:37<parecen>jebuz: what model is that cdrom drive?
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15:38<jebuz>Writemaster
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15:38<jebuz>i installed previous one using same cdrom
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15:38<jebuz>went fine
15:38<parecen>i am asking cause older drives dont have that feature yet to be able to boot
15:38<parecen>ah, so it cant be that
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15:39<jebuz>hmm this is wierd,
15:39<jebuz>neither netinst or cd-image is working
15:39<parecen>jebuz: and its properly wired and everything?
15:39<Melancholia>guys need some help with CheckInstall
15:39<jebuz>or well them are probably working but something is weird
15:39<jebuz>parecen yes it is :)
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15:39<parecen>hmm
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15:41<parecen>jebuz: do you have a second computer where you could test whether the cdroms boot?
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15:42<Melancholia>so where to find some help with Checkinstall i tried to google my problem ..but no trace
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15:42<parecen>Melancholia: we dont know yet what problem you have exactly. so thats hard for the people to help
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15:43<initiate>well, hello again
15:44<initiate>gnome installation failed this time :
15:44<initiate>:)*
15:44<Melancholia>parecen i can't edit the depends part from checkinstall ...i tried --require but it doesn't add the versions of dependencies
15:45<initiate>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.30_i386.deb (--unpack)
15:45<dpkg>initiate: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
15:45<parecen>Melancholia: and you are sure that checkinstall can do that?
15:46<initiate>any suggestions?
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15:46<Melancholia>parecen to add the depends part...yea i'm sure. i added the dependencies names but i can't add the versions
15:46<parecen>Melancholia: yes, and i am asking whether checkinstall supports that version information is added
15:47<Melancholia><parecen> well..ok i'm not sure about that...that's y i'm asking
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15:48<Melancholia><parecen> but it gives an option to edit control file
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15:49<Melancholia>i used it and edited wat i need but can't quit from the control file menu "opened in Termina" to continue the deb creation process
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15:49<Melancholia><parecen> with --review-control
15:50<jebuz>parecen yeah i can check
15:50<jebuz>with this comp
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15:51<initiate1>i need a bit of help :P
15:52<Melancholia>initiate1, yea go ahead
15:52<initiate1>i ran /etc/init.d/gdm start and was prompted for a password
15:52<Melancholia>initiate1, so...
15:52<initiate1>unfortunately X failed to load yet again and now i don't even know how to get back to console
15:52<jebuz>parecen, yeah it has all files
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15:53<Melancholia>initiate1, try to boot in safemood
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15:53<initiate1>atm the entire screen is gray and i have this tiny console in the bottom right corner
15:53<initiate1>that'd be good but i don't know how Melancholia
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15:54<initiate1>i`m afraid if i reboot it`ll start the X again
15:54<Melancholia>ok while u choose ur operating system from the boot menu u will find a safemode option
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15:55<initiate1>let me see what i can do ...
15:55<initiate1>brb
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15:55<jebuz>is there a debian boot installer?
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15:55<jebuz>because i cant use the disks ive burned
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15:56<Melancholia>jebuz, try to check the cds for integrity
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15:56<initiate_>well hooray for constructive thinking on my end
15:56<initiate_>>.>
15:56<Melancholia>jebuz, or much easier check the MD5 before burning the CD
15:57<initiate_>started the X with /etc/init.d/gdm start
15:57<initiate_>took me a bit to realize su -> /etc/init.d/gdm stop will do the trick
15:57<initiate_>:P
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15:57<Melancholia>initiate_, that's good
15:57<initiate>yea, it is
15:57<initiate>:)
15:57<initiate>back on the original client ...
15:58<initiate>so how do i get the gnome to install properly?
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15:58<jebuz>Melancholia, dont you think ive done that?
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15:59<Melancholia>jebuz, it was a suggestion
16:00<jebuz>Yeah and ive done that, still gets "disk boot failure, insert system disk and press enter"
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16:01<Damian-CBa>hello People !!! I Use Debian POTATO!!!!!
16:01<Melancholia>jebuz, is ur hdd connected ?
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16:02<jackyf>Damian-CBa: great! and?
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16:02<rotciv>what's the problem jebuz ? i had a problem like yours this week...
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16:02<Damian-CBa>Excelent Beatyful VERY FAST!!!
16:02<Melancholia>jebuz, i suppose ur motherboard bios needs to be changed to seek the 1st boot priority from CD
16:02<jebuz>im gonna reinstall debian with an stable release, used lenny before.
16:02*initiate sighs
16:02<jebuz>Melan, did that also :P
16:03<chealer>initiate: [15:45:40] <dpkg> initiate: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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16:03<initiate>chealer, how do i do that using lynx? :
16:03<initiate>:|
16:03<jackyf>Damian-CBa: may be :)
16:03<Melancholia>jebuz, the problem is that "disk boot failure..." is not related to the cd in the 1st place...it's a 1st step to boot
16:04<chealer>jebuz: does the CD boot in another computer?
16:05<Melancholia>jebuz, chealer's question is good
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16:05<jebuz>chealer yes it does
16:05<rotciv>jebuz: your cd-r drive is sata or ide?
16:06<jebuz>ide
16:06<Melancholia>jebuz, so the problem is not about the cd ...
16:06<jebuz>and only ide on cable
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16:06<jebuz>the problem is about something i have now yeah i know, but wondered if it was like a button to press or something
16:07<chealer>jebuz: you should burn a .iso file, not a .img
16:07<Melancholia>jebuz, check theat IDE cable or change it with a new one
16:07<jebuz>did that
16:07<Melancholia>jebuz, also u gotta check if ur CD-ROM works properly
16:07<jebuz>also changed power cable
16:07<jebuz>it does
16:08<jebuz>ive installed debian before
16:08<jebuz>using same cd-rom and computer
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16:08<rotciv>jebuz: try changing cd-r for master if it is slave or vice-versa on bios
16:08<jebuz>its only one on IDE and set to master
16:08<chealer>!tell initiate about pastewithoutx
16:08<chealer>initiate: did you try that?
16:09<Melancholia>jebuz, have u tried other boot disks? if yes, wat was the result?
16:09<rotciv>jebuz: you're trying to mount an cd and it doesn't mount?
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16:09<initiate>thanks chealer
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16:09<jebuz>rotciv, im trying to get the installer loaded.
16:09<initiate>if i only know where's the log from the install, i`ll upload it
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16:10<jebuz>Melancholia, tried boot it with 3 other cds,
16:10<jebuz>1 more cd and 2 netinst
16:10<jebuz>same releases burned on different disks and brand
16:10<jebuz>is there something i can write in GRUB to load the cd ?
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16:11<rotciv>so you're on windows? trying to get the debian installer loaded? if so what software are u using to burn the .iso?
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16:11<chealer>jebuz: no
16:12<jebuz>rotciv, ive burned it using nero, and slowest speed
16:12<Melancholia>rotciv, jebuz checked the CD MD5 he just told me that
16:12<jebuz>btw, im not trying to install it on windows (this computer) i am trying to install it on server,
16:12<jebuz>wich had lenny-test2 before
16:12<missile>hello, i have debian lenny, i've installed with ndiswrapper windows driver, the procedure is ok but my wireless interface it's not seen. with lspci my interface is seen, but with ifconfig is not listed... help pliz
16:13<rotciv>oh... alright, got it
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16:13<jebuz>missile, tried "ifup ethX" where X is card?
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16:14<jebuz>well wireless u said
16:14<missile>jebuz interface has no name
16:14<ranix_>missile: you perhaps want iwconfig?
16:14<jebuz>dont know anything about taht :P
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16:14<missile>jebuz, iwconfig don't list wlan interface
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16:15<missile>*doesn't
16:15<jebuz>missile it wasnt me that wrote that that was ranix_
16:15<rotciv>i never burned an .iso with nero, heard lot of people has problem doing that. could you try burning the .iso with another software, like ImgBurn or you hurry? just to try...
16:15<ranix_>missile: ndiswrapper is wrong, are there any other alternatives for your chipset?
16:15<missile>whaps
16:15<jebuz>rotciv sue
16:15<missile>ranix_, none
16:15<jebuz>sure
16:15<Melancholia>jebuz, 1- if your system boots from other CDs ... it's the Debian CD problem 2. if not u gotta check the hardware...IDE cables "u have"
16:15<jebuz>give me a few sec
16:16<jebuz>Melancholia,
16:16<ranix_>missile: I strongly suggest you either return the wireless adapter to the store or purchase a new one
16:16<jebuz>yes i can see the drive in bios
16:16<ranix_>missile: have fun with ndiswrapper though :x
16:16<jebuz>and it loads cd etc
16:16<jebuz>but something wrong
16:16<jebuz>gonna try burn with another soft
16:16<missile>ranix_, that's not the problem
16:16<Melancholia>jebuz, it's only 2 options CD or Hardware
16:16<rotciv>jebuz: http://www.imgburn.com/
16:16<ranix_>missile: I disagree, I believe ndiswrapper IS the problem
16:17<missile>the REAL problem is that each interface, working or not, must be seen by ifconfig
16:17<ranix_>missile: and it will be if the module is properly loaded
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16:17<ranix_>missile: and the device is recognized and properly associated with that module
16:17<missile>ranix_, the module is properly configured, is not a ndiswrapper problem
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16:18<missile>ranix_, interface has NO NAME!
16:18<initiate>chealer how do i copy paste with this gpm for god's sake
16:18<rotciv>jebuz: the interface is pretty simple. any doubt just ask me
16:18<ranix_>missile: well it's not an ifconfig problem, I can assure you
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16:18<shivraj>I need to resize my /home partition and add free space to it .... there's about 13 gig of free space
16:18<jebuz>rotciv: ok pm?
16:18<rotciv>jebuz: could be
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16:19<shivraj>Im tired of lenny .. will wait for it to be stable too many bugs
16:19<missile>ranix_, all network interface have name, working or not
16:19<chealer>initiate: no idea
16:19<initiate>solved
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16:19<initiate>now if i can find where the url is in lynx
16:19<missile>ranix_, the interface is in question work perfectly with ndiswrapper
16:19<jebuz>shivraj, ive runned lenny and it goes really well except its 64bits
16:19<jebuz>:/
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16:20<missile>ranix_, but due by some strange astral alignement, my interface is not seen and has not name.
16:20<ranix_>missile: if iwconfig does not show any wireless adapters, you either a. do not have the right module loaded (potentially because ndiswrapper failed or the driver is wrong), or b. your wireless adapter is not properly recognized and associated with the driver
16:20<shivraj>jebuz: I used it for the longest while, but my shutdown isnt working
16:21<shivraj>and cups is screwed up
16:21<jebuz>tried init 0?
16:21<missile>ranix_, ndiswrapper configured module properly
16:21<shivraj>dont know what happened in between upgrades
16:21<initiate>chealer it's in pastebin under initiate, but i can't find the url to post it here
16:21<jebuz>or "shutdown -h now" ?
16:21<initiate>pastebin.com
16:21<shivraj>yeah I use shutdown -h now
16:21<jebuz>but "init 0" ?
16:21<ranix_>missile: then your adapter is not recognized properly. Perhaps your pcmcia or USB is broken physically
16:21<shivraj>anyway I needed to install anyway ..
16:22<missile>ranix_, not. with windows work properly.
16:22<ranix_>missile: it is unreasonable to assume ndiswrapper was executed properly
16:22<ranix_>missile: do you understand what it is doing
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16:23<chealer>initiate: looks like it was bumped by new posts
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16:23<missile>ranix_, many guides on the net describe what i'm doing, and i have not errors. but my interface has no name, and in each guid that doesn't happen
16:24<ranix_>missile: perhaps you have selected the wront inf or sys file, it is missing an inf or sys file, you have a newer version of driver than the cards you are using, etc.
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16:24<ranix_>missile: what chipset are you trying to configure
16:24<initiate>chealer now?
16:24<missile>ranix_, IPN2220
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16:24<initiate>it redirects me and i can't get the url >.>
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16:25<missile>ndiswrapper -l
16:25<missile>neti2220 : driver installed
16:25<missile> device (17FE:2220) present
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16:25<chealer>initiate: http://pastebin.com/d90941b8
16:26<chealer>initiate: so what are you doing?
16:26<initiate>chealer, trying to install gnome
16:27<chealer>initiate: which Debian suite do you use?
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16:28<initiate>lenny/sid
16:28<chealer>initiate: which desktop environment do you currently use?
16:28<initiate>what do you mean chealer
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16:29<chealer>initiate: do you currently have a desktop environment on that machine?
16:30<initiate>chealer, nope
16:30<chealer>initiate: when did you install?
16:30<initiate>you mean the OS?
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16:30<chealer>initiate: yes
16:30<initiate>installed debian 2 days ago
16:31<ranix_>missile: the linksys wpc54g uses that chipset
16:31<ranix_>missile: it may have native drivers
16:31<initiate>just finished upgrading to lenny
16:31<ranix_>missile: I was in the middle of a google hunt for you, but it's time to clock out
16:31<ranix_>missile: good luck
16:31<stew>initiate: what version of passwd is installed?
16:32<stew>oh, its in the upgrade list too
16:32<missile>ranix_, what?
16:32<initiate>stew, a sarge one
16:32<stew>what?
16:32<missile>ranix_, are you sure?
16:32<stew>initiate: oh, you skipped over etch? no wonder you are having problems
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16:33<missile>ranix_, lspci doesn't say me this
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16:33<stew>initiate: you should have upgraded to etch first. you'll need to upgrade passwd before you can upgrade debianutils it seems
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16:33<initiate>stew, well ... i`m not happy about the situation, but trying to fix it without going crazy and reaching for the win xp cd :)
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16:37<initiate>any suggestions stew?
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16:40<Canaris_>I am running lenny and i just wanted to install the linux headers, but there arent any for the current kernel. Can anyone confirm that?!
16:40<Canaris_>I need 'linux-headers-2.6-24-1-amd64'
16:40<Canaris_>but they're not available?!
16:42<stew>initiate: i'd try installing passwd first, perhaps with dpkg -i and the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/
16:42<stew>Canaris_: yes, 2.6.24 was replaced and now 2.6.26-1 is current, you should upgrade
16:43<Canaris_>i just did
16:43<initiate>thanks, i`ll try it
16:43<Canaris_>hold on I'll try it again
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16:44<initiate>stew thank you ... it needed debianutils first though, but it works so far
16:44<initiate>installing gnome atm
16:45<initiate>crossing fingers
16:45<rotciv><rofl>
16:46<rotciv>i'll do the same, some energy for ya :P
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16:47<initiate>so far
16:47<initiate><initiate> installing gnome atm
16:47<initiate><initiate> crossing fingers
16:47<initiate><rotciv> <rofl>
16:47<initiate><rotciv> i'll do the same, some energy for ya :P
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16:48<initiate>sorry
16:48<initiate>wrong button >.>
16:48<Canaris_>stew, you're right, I just got the updates. weird, but thanks!!
16:48<initiate>well well
16:48<initiate>this error i think i know
16:49<initiate>No space left on device
16:49<initiate>how the hell is that possible?
16:49<initiate>i've had about 10gb free before starting to install debian
16:49<shivraj>initiate: 10 gig is nothing upgrade your hd
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16:50<jebuz>haha i have 12.9TB left :) :P
16:50<rotciv>holy f*ck!
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16:51<jebuz>:)
16:51<initiate>ironic
16:51<rotciv>initiate: maybe fluxbox works, or xfce...
16:51<initiate>yet that doesn't help me
16:51<shivraj>I need to add 13 gig to my mediocre 50 gig /home parti
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16:51<initiate>rotciv i have no idea what those are
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16:52<rotciv>window manager, weren't you trying install gnome?
16:52<initiate>i am
16:52<initiate>-bash: xfce: command not found
16:53<rotciv>but it said "no space left...", right?
16:53<initiate>yep
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16:54<initiate> dpkg: failed to write status record about `iproute' to `/var/lib/dpkg/status': No space left on device
16:54<dpkg>You are moron #2, initiate
16:55<rotciv>try xfce. i downloaded the debian-cd with xfce, i have no idea how to guide you to install it from the cmdline
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16:56<Kasperl>Does anyone know if there is something wrong with the FTP mirrors? I seem to be only getting 100kbps, while I normally get 400. My connection seems fine (according to speedtest sites) and I've cleared my cache in aptitude.
16:56<initiate>i can't install it because i don't have space left on the hdd :P
16:56<rotciv>=(
16:56<initiate>Reading package lists... Error!
16:56<initiate>E: Unable to write mmap - msync (28 No space left on device)
16:57<Nemoder>so free up some space, probably safe to delete anything in /var/log
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16:58<initiate>how do you delete using the console
16:58<prolix>doesn't apt write stuff to /var/log?
16:58<Kasperl>rm
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16:58<rotciv>i use debian etch with xfce and everything i need on a 10gb hdd and there is 41% free =S
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16:59<Kasperl>rotciv: I can get an xfce install down to 2.5GB on my Eee...
16:59<adema>hey, i want to dev some wifi tools but i need to get informations about current status(associated etc..)
16:59<initiate>any suggestions how to free up space safely?
16:59<adema>where could my program find those information
17:00<rotciv>Kasperl: o,o
17:00<Nemoder>initiate: you can use du -h in various folders to see where the most space is taken up
17:00<adema>in /proc/net/wireless
17:00<adema>?
17:01<prolix>initiate: apt-get autoclean ?
17:01<adema>i also want to get the response of the AP with a try to connect (timeout message are written in the syslog)
17:01<Nemoder>although baobab makes it much easier in X but if you don't have space to install that app then it won't help right now :)
17:01<initiate>dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct
17:01<dpkg>initiate: You are moron #3
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17:02<adema>my program need to read the syslog ?
17:02<adema>car it can find thoses informations somewhere else ?
17:02<craigevil>debian lenny with kde only takes up 2.3gb on my eee 701 and thats with a couple of big games like openarena
17:03<Nemoder>initiate: it's also safe to delete anything in your /home/user/ directory that you don't want to keep
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17:03<initiate>Nemoder there's nothing there
17:03<initiate>how do you rem a dir?
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17:03<Nemoder>rmdir
17:04<initiate>thanks
17:04<rotciv>or rm -rf
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17:04<rotciv>rmdir only for empty dir
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17:04<Nemoder>yes, but it's good to try rmdir on empty dirs to make sure they are in fact empty don't contain hidden files
17:05<initiate>not empty ..
17:05<initiate>trying to rem /usr/games atm
17:05<initiate>oh gee, it's 2.3M
17:05<initiate>i need something big.
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17:07<Nemoder>if it's a major update then most of your space is probably taken up in /var/cache/apt/archives
17:07<rotciv>true
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17:08<Nemoder>course if you delete those then it will probably just try to redownload them when you install again
17:08<initiate>hrm
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17:09<initiate>does debian autoflush the /archives/ in /var/cache/apt after install?
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17:09<Nemoder>ya
17:09<rotciv>but Nemoder, if i delete them the programs i installed with apt-get keep working?
17:09<initiate>and does it clean the ones already installed if they are part of a bigger install?
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17:09<Nemoder>yes it's just a cache, after install the debs in there are not needed
17:09<Nemoder>aptitude will clean those out by default i believe
17:09<aptitude>Nemoder: are you using Windows?
17:09<Nemoder>no
17:09<Nemoder>stupid bot :P
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17:09<rotciv>rofl
17:09<initiate>:D
17:10<rotciv>Nemoder: great. i didn't know about that. thank you :)
17:10<initiate>i almost replied to dp kg a few times :p
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17:10<initiate>it makes sense Nemoder , but what if the installation halted for some reason
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17:10<initiate>does apt make a partial clean up
17:10<Nemoder>I don't think so
17:10<bludks>hi I cant connect to :631 I installed CUPS
17:11<rotciv>Nemoder: i found a folder called "partial" and an archive "lock". these i can't remove?
17:12<jebuz>hmm the install halts at "starting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd"
17:12<Nemoder>no don't remove those, they are used to make sure only one update process happens at a time
17:12<jackyf>does anyone know smtp-server in Debian capable to work through http or socks proxy?
17:13<Nemoder>initiate: du -h --max-depth=1 /
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17:13<Nemoder>that should give you a better idea of where the space went
17:14<initiate>yeah, but it doesn't help me much
17:14<initiate>:)
17:14<Nemoder>can change --max-depth to a higher number to narrow it down
17:14<enouf>i use cd dir/ ; du -ab . | sort -rng | less
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17:15<initiate>2.8 gb in /
17:15<initiate>1.6 in urs and 1.1 in var
17:15<initiate>the rest are almost empty
17:15<Nemoder>hrm
17:15<initiate>max 20mb
17:16<initiate>oh and 118mb in lib
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17:16<Nemoder>what does df -h show?
17:16<bludks>is there a bug I cant connect to port 631 of cups
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17:17<initiate>yeah
17:17<enouf>if you need to clear out some cruft, there are some easy ways ; localepurge ; debfoster/deborphan ; the .gz logs in /var/logs/ (and even more if needed) ; then you can apt-get autoclean -- NOTE, know which dirs need space ;-)
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17:17<initiate> /dev/shm/ 1014Mb
17:17<enouf>do not do ANY of those, unless you know what the consequences are
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17:18<enouf>0 in use
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17:18<initiate>true
17:18<initiate>enouf apt-get autoclean doesn't work
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17:18<robind>hi, sorry, but I could not find a solution to have usb devices detected in virtualbox (host:debian testing, guest:wxp).
17:18<initiate>but hey
17:18<rotciv>one newbie doubt: when i install a software with dpkg -iGE *.deb where these goes?
17:18<craigevil>autoclean only gets rid of old packages
17:18<enouf>sure it does, but whatever
17:18<initiate> /dev/hda8 has 6.4G unused
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17:19<craigevil>try apt-get clean, then perhaps run debfoster or deborphan to get rid of packages you dont need
17:19<Nemoder>rotciv: you can use dpkg -L <packagename> to see where it put files
17:19<enouf>rotciv: why would you use those options?
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17:19<prolix>are there packages that would be removed by apt-get autoclean which are still viable packages which don't have functional replacements?
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17:19<initiate>dpk g was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct
17:19<initiate>the problem.
17:19<torrr>what should I do so 'ip rule' will be kept after reboot?
17:19<enouf>i don't know, i never used it
17:20<enouf>torrr: which ip rule?
17:20<initiate>that's what i get when i try apt-get autoclean enouf
17:20<enouf>iptables?
17:20<rotciv>enouf: these option doesn't avoid to rewrite a file with an older version
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17:20<craigevil>and have you tried to run dpkg --configure -a like the error msg tells you to do
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17:20<enouf>rotciv: you mean it'll overwrite if it's newer versions?
17:20<rotciv><oops>. "these option avoid to rewrite..."*
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17:21<torrr>enouf, I have in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables some rules, and ip rule show don't show them
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17:21<rotciv>i mean it won't overwrite if the current is newer version
17:22<enouf>torrr: i think maybe you want /etc/sysctl.conf (or /etc/sysctl.conf.d/*) do this; "sysctl -a | grep route"
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17:23<enouf>rotciv: well, someone above suggested one way to use, but if you are installing various versions of same pkgs, they'll likely sit side-by-side (for example, note what ls -l /usr/bin/gcc* says)
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17:24<enouf>torrr: likewise, substitute grep route, with grep eth
17:25<enouf>torrr: i guess you can ignore anything with ipv6 in it, but not sure
17:25<enouf>torrr: i suck at networking ;-)
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17:25<rotciv>enouf: yea. i followed the way he suggested. thank you anyway :)
17:25*enouf is even worse at email :-P
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17:26<enouf>rotciv: i use dlocate often, (/msg dpkg dlocate) - note how locatedb and dlocatedb need updating
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17:27<solano>where is trash path icon in debian
17:27<enouf>no idea .. :-/ "locate -i trash"?
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17:28<rotciv>enouf: dlocate is great. i'm installing it
17:28<solano>thanks, how can i recover my app bar in bottom ...i remove that for cairo-dock but i dont like it
17:28<enouf>indeed
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17:29<enouf>solano: no idea :-/ .. is that Gnome?
17:29<solano>enouf, yes
17:29<jebuz>scsi1: sata_nb, ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0) what does that mean?
17:29<jebuz>sata_nv*
17:29<enouf>it means it's down
17:30<amphi>enouf is now known as elucidator
17:30<enouf>sata_nv is your controller kernel module - you likely have an nvidia chipset
17:30<jebuz>and how do i get it up, if i wanna install reinstall debian?
17:30<enouf>amphi: shhh! :-p
17:30<initiate>i did it
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17:30<initiate>!
17:30<amphi>;)
17:30<enouf>!\o/
17:30<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
17:31<initiate>HOORAY FOR X
17:31<enouf>jebuz: i think scsitools mght help
17:31<jebuz>enouf: i have an asus m3n ws, wich aint nvidia chipset i think
17:31<initiate>good night and thanks for all the help
17:31<initiate>:)
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17:31<enouf>jebuz: you rescan the bus - look for rescan-scsi.sh or similar
17:31<jebuz>enouf: well it does say that when im trying to reinstall debian
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17:31<jebuz>well i cant access debian as it is now,
17:32<enouf>i would need more of an overall general scenario and history
17:33*enouf 's turbin and carnak envelope is not *that* far reaching :-p
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17:34<solano>anyone knows how i can recover my app bar ?
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17:35<enouf>solano: maybe someone on freenode.net #debian, or try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ?
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17:35<enouf>solano: or just restart your Desktop Session?
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17:36<solano>enouf, ok thanks
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17:40<torrr>enouf, I added 'ip rule add priority y table x' to my post-up scripts
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17:40<torrr>enouf, I just hope they run on startup
17:41<enouf>torrr: well, which /proc/sys/ files does it affect?
17:41<torrr>enouf, I don't know
17:42<torrr>enouf, but manually adding these rules helped
17:42<enouf>torrr: sysctl should tell you
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17:43<enouf>torrr: which is actually, even better, if you find the name as listed there - you can copy and paste that (most times) into /etc/sysctl.conf
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17:44<enouf>torrr: for ex; "net.ipv4.conf.eth0.accept_source_route = 1" <-- that option is enabled here - you can see from the comments in sysctl.conf how to use that
17:45<enouf>torrr: that above setting refers to "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/accept_source_route" see the prepended /proc/sys/ and the alteration of . to / ?
17:45<torrr>enouf, I don't see the word 'rule' in there or the ips of the eths
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17:46<enouf>i don't think you'd use by IP (you'd use iface - aka; ethX), but again, i suck
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17:47<enouf>torrr: i'm not even sure what you're doing is the best way to go about it - no idea what you are trying to achieve :-P
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17:47<torrr>enouf, I have accept_source_route=1 on eth0, and eth1 now
17:47<torrr>enouf, but I don't know what it was before
17:48<enouf>torrr: that was just an example
17:48<enouf>!8ball what is torrr really trying to do?
17:48<dpkg>Unsure.
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17:50<torrr>enouf, that example is the closest to what I wanted to do, that the two interfaces would respond to their own calls themselves. Actually what I did is that the 1gbps would answer first and then probably if it didn't then the slower would answer
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17:51<enouf>ok, so a failover system? where the fastest one (eth0) always receives, until it fails, then it goes to the slower, backup one? (eth1)
17:51<torrr>yes
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17:51<torrr>enouf, because my 1gbps was not reliable at first
17:52<enouf>torrr: i see; well, "/msg dpkg bonding" however that mentions the same IP for both
17:53<torrr>enouf, that would have been usefull when I have set it up
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17:53<rotciv>cya. enouf, thank you for recommend dlocate :)
17:53<torrr>enouf, though maybe i can still do that
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17:53<enouf>torrr: ask dpkg (the bot here) about all of these [dpkg] Factoid search of 'lartc.org' by value (7): lartc ;; split access ;; routing ;; traffic shaping ;; imq ;; iptables ;; qos.
17:55<Blaze_Boy>hey guys , is here any channel for inkscape ,corel draw , xara xtreme , fireworks ?
17:55<Blaze_Boy>?
17:55<Blaze_Boy>guys?
17:56<enouf>torrr: i believe (not sure) that "bridging" pertains more to combining two non-networked subnets, or similar, i think also many use openvpn for things as that (this is getting complicated :-P)
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17:56<prolix>Blaze_Boy: i don't know about those, but have you ever heard of blender?
17:56<enouf>torrr: but "/msg dpkg bridging" (just for some general info about that)
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17:57<prolix>Blaze_Boy: as a matter of fact, i don't even know if blender has a channel, but it's a very cool app
17:57<Blaze_Boy><prolix> sure but i need channels for vector drawing
17:57<prolix>oh
17:57<torrr>enouf, I was always wondering if I could get two adsl modems and use them both to increase my upstream
17:58<torrr>enouf, maybe I'll find obout it there
17:58<prolix>Blaze_Boy: irc.freenode.net has a #inkscape
17:58<chealer>Nemoder: Debian doesn't autoflush the /archives/ in /var/cache/apt after install
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17:58<Blaze_Boy><prolix> i'v made a new forum for vector drawing and want to tell the world
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17:58<prolix>Blaze_Boy: congratulations and good luck with your new forum
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17:58<Blaze_Boy><prolix> thanks
17:59<prolix>sure thing
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17:59<enouf>torrr: well, here's another article to look at http://gentoo-wiki.com/Dual_internet_connections
17:59<davi>How to install FireFox 2.x on Debian lenny
17:59<davi> FireFox 3.x sucks :P
17:59<davi>Is there a package to install FireFox 2.x on Debian lenny ?
18:00<enouf>!iceweasel
18:00<dpkg>iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
18:00<deco>how to mount ntfs !!
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18:00<enouf>deco: read/write? or read only?
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18:00<enouf>!mount
18:00<dpkg>i guess mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem
18:00<enouf>heh
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18:01<davi>!<why icewease
18:01<davi>!why iceweasel
18:01<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information.
18:01<enouf>davi: you can /msg dpkg why iceweasel
18:01<deco>its a external usb with ntfs
18:01<blarson>!tell deco about ntfs
18:01<torrr>I would like to fork firefox too
18:02<davi>sorry enouf
18:02<enouf>no prob
18:02<torrr>due to them not understanding how to properly do bidi
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18:04<deco>enouf: read/write
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18:05<enouf>deco: you need fuse+ntfs-3g
18:05<enouf>!ntfs-3g
18:05<dpkg>from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
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18:07<deco>ok go!
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18:11<d4de>hey there
18:11<d4de>I'm trying to install Familiar (a debian based distro) on iPAQ 1945 ... I've read the whole site, and I can't find anything mentioning that if the project supports this family of iPAQ or not. So my question is, does Familiar support iPAQ 1945?
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18:15<upsilon>!based on debian
18:15<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:15<yang>d4de: join #handhelds
18:15<d4de>thanks :D
18:15<yang>d4de: and check the hardware supported devices on wiki.handhelds.org
18:16<d4de>well sems that there is no body on that channel
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18:16<yang>d4de: familiar is preety outdated, you should see if it supports angstrom
18:16<d4de>seems*
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18:16<yang>d4de: #familiar @ freenode
18:16<yang>i mean
18:16<yang>d4de: #handhelds @ freenode
18:16<d4de>ooh ok
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18:17<d4de>so you are recommending angstorm over familiar?
18:17<d4de>angstrom*
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18:17<yang>d4de: if your ipaq is angstrom supported
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18:17<yang>otherwise you would need to try the outdated familiar distro
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18:17<d4de>yang: understood
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18:19<d4de>yang: but as you can see, familiar only states so few of iPAQ families, so I was wondering if you know if it does support iPAQ 1945 or not, or you may direct me to a better distro that supports iPAQ 1945
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18:22<yang>d4de: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary
18:22<yang>and familiar is not debian based
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18:23<d4de>yang: thanks for the link, should be ashamed for not doing some googling before wasting your time, but meh ... thanks for everything :D
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18:26<Hagge>Hello, I'm trying to install Debian Lenny from USB-drive onto my new EeePC 901, I've tried to follow this howto: http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb but I'm usin kernel, initrd.gz and iso from "debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso"
18:27<Hagge>the installation boots up just fine, but I'm stuck where the installation can not find the CD-drive (there is none, but how do I force the installer to use the iso-file instead of a cdrom-drive?)
18:27<craigevil>Hagge: try http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install
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18:28<noflash>or #debian-eeepc
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18:29<Hagge>craigevil: I've done that, and that method is working, but the installed does not have support for encrypted root (which is a feauture I want to use)
18:30<craigevil>then http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller is what you want
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18:30<Hagge>craigevil: that's why I do want to use a standard installation and manually install the EeePC-scripts afterwards
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18:31<Hagge>craigevil: ahh, thanks! :D I think that is what I'm looking for
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19:00<deco>I just installed fuse but I can not mount nfts !
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19:01<clint1986>deco: are you in the fuse group?
19:01<deco>I believe it is not automatic
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19:02<deco>clint1986: fuse group?
19:02<craigevil>!ntfs-3g
19:02<dpkg>[ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
19:02<clint1986>deco: you have to add users to the fuse group so they can use it
19:03<clint1986>deco: adduser <user> <group>
19:04<deco>I'm going to do
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19:20<bacon665>hi i installed ecth using the net instal cd but it failed leaving me with a very minimal system i found out i needed to edit the apt sources.list file and i have it open in nano but i dont kno what to put
19:20<bacon665>can anyone give me a couple lines to put into the config?
19:22<streuner>!listvals sources.list
19:22<dpkg>Factoid search of 'sources.list' by value (15 of 122): "kde.tdyc.com kde2" ;; asr ;; contrib ;; flw18 ;; flw35 ;; ghc ;; jabber ;; libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 ;; potato->woody ;; security ;; simple sid backport ;; sources ;; woody install warnings ;; woody-apt-stable ;; xorg howto.
19:22<bacon665>?
19:22<streuner>!sources
19:22<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
19:22<parecen>bacon665: do you have a netselect-apt command?
19:23<parecen>ah, or the factoid from dpkg
19:23<streuner>bacon665: basically you need the 2 lines which mentioned dpkg already (one official and onc for security)
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19:24<parecen>for a desktop system its also useful to have a look at http://www.debian-multimedia.org and include that repository
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19:25<bacon665>i doubt it
19:25<bacon665>nope
19:25<bacon665>command not found
19:25<bacon665>so i just put deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main
19:25<bacon665>save
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19:25<bacon665>why was i kicked?
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19:25<parecen>too many lines
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19:26<bacon665>o well thats just stupid
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19:26<parecen>its automatic
19:26<streuner>we like 2 lines, but over 4 lines you are flooding and thats what we dont like :-)
19:26<parecen>some people would post their entire config files
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19:26<streuner>bacon665: imagine everyone would paste here...
19:27<bacon665>i can imagine
19:27<streuner>hehe, no, you cant :-)
19:27<bacon665>i park in a p2p client room people paste their entire router configs
19:27<parecen>"deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main" is ok if you dont want "contrib" and "non-free" packages
19:27*streuner too
19:27<bacon665>i can imagine
19:28<bacon665>what is contrib?
19:28<streuner>!contrib
19:28<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
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19:28<enouf>streuner: next time, try !listkeys ;-)
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19:28*streuner needs a special smite for enouf :-)
19:28<enouf>heh
19:29<parecen>!enouf
19:29<dpkg>Cut it out!
19:29<parecen>:(
19:30<streuner>bacon665: we have paste.debian.net in order to paste stuff, so its easy...
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19:31<deco>im in the fuse group and whatelse..!
19:32<parecen>deco: what else what and why?
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19:32<streuner>bacon: Yes, you can :-)
19:32<streuner>oh, he left
19:32<deco>with fuse
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19:33<parecen>brb
19:33<deco>I installed it, now my user is in the group fuse, but no amount partition
19:34<deco>mount
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19:35<Blur2040>!non-free
19:35<dpkg>non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
19:36<Blur2040>!non-free sources
19:36<dpkg>rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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19:37<svend>Anyone know why 10.1 gets expanded to 10.0.0.1 (e.g. when running 'ping 10.1')?
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19:44<panagos>svend: probably some rfc peculiarity :)
19:45<svend>Could be. I see this behavior on Linux, NetBSD, and Windows (2k3).
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19:46<panagos>svend: probably some RFC peculiarity :)
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19:49<rrm>hi
19:49<rrm>whats the advantage or etchnhalf over regular?
19:49<parecen>rrm: a newer kernel that supports newer hardware
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19:51<rrm>ok... but can i use the same repos? since it says volatile... can i just add normal etch repos? all good like that in sources.list
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19:52<rrm>anyone?
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19:53<parecen>rrm: as far as i know, you can keep your sources.list as it is, the volatile stuff is something else. e.g. for clamav
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19:53<john_jacob_jingleheimer_schmid>almost. so close
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19:54<rrm>ok... cool... since i thought there is a difference... thanks
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19:55<parecen>rrm: the point releases Etch R3, Etch R4 etc. go as usual. the addition with "and 0,5" is that the release team noticed that the release cycle (the time between stable releases) is quite long. so they want to allow a newer kernel that supports newer hardware
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19:57<parecen>http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf
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19:58<Guest1644>Hi
19:58<Guest1644>Is someone here?
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19:59<nickg>is there a way to have apt download the build dependencies automatically when ever I install something with either apt-get or aptitude?
19:59<Knoppixilin>Im using Knoppix.
19:59<noflash>!knoppix
19:59<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
20:00<Knoppixilin>what about Kubuntu?
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20:00<Knoppixilin>There is noone in knoppix chat
20:00<noflash>!Kubuntu
20:00<dpkg>rumour has it, kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
20:00<Knoppixilin>!kubuntu
20:00<dpkg>from memory, kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
20:00<noflash>Knoppixilin, try irc.freenode.net
20:00<Knoppixilin>I cant see people in diferent channels.
20:00<Knoppixilin>Just here.
20:00<prolix>?
20:01<Knoppixilin>No one there
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20:01<noflash>switch to debian if you want help here
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20:01<Knoppixilin>And i need help witing in a Hard Disk FROM a Live CD
20:01<Knoppixilin>*writinh
20:01<Knoppixilin>**writing
20:02<noflash>Knoppixilin, there are users on #knoppix on freenode, so go there
20:02<Knoppixilin>how can i get into freenode?
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20:02<noflash>Knoppixilin, /server irc.freenode.net works for me
20:03<Knoppixilin>ty
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20:04<prolix>Knoppixilin: you need a bag of dried bag elbows and three candles and a voodoo doll
20:04<prolix>and a sacrificial amoeba
20:04<Knoppixilin>lol
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20:55<Hagge>What is the proper way to unmount a USB key with a LUKS encrypted partition on it?
20:56<Hagge>something like this? # cryptsetup luksClose "mylabel"
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21:02<shivraj>wow ... remember to set your hostname in install
21:02<shivraj>screwed up my whole networking ..
21:02<shivraj>aparently setting manually doesnt really set it
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21:13<dondelelcaro>you can easily set it manually; you just have to know *how* to set it
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21:35<nickg>How do I make sure the correct modules are loaded into the initrd before I reboot? Where can I look?
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21:38<nickg>what command can I use to rebuild the initrd on debian?
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21:53<nickzxcv>hi, I'm having an X problem
21:53<nickzxcv>xdm works but I can't start any window manager
21:54<nickzxcv>after just upgrading a bunch of X libraries, xserver-xorg, and font stuff
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21:55<amphi>nickzxcv: what happens if you do xinit and try to run a wm from the term?
21:56<nickzxcv>I can't get a term
21:56<nickzxcv>the last thing xinit says after some warnings about xkbcomp is:
21:57<nickzxcv>waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
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21:57<enouf>nickzxcv: lenny or sid?
21:58<nickzxcv>lenny
21:58<enouf>nickzxcv: try installing xfonts-base and xauth
21:58<nickzxcv>already installed
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21:59<enouf>nickzxcv: try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for the F of it
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22:00<nickzxcv>any particular settings? I already did and several other xorg.confs I had laying around
22:00<enouf>nickzxcv: install / reinstall the "xorg" meta pkg
22:00<nickzxcv>they would get me xdm but no window manager, maybe I need another module or something
22:00<nickzxcv>ok
22:00<enouf>nickzxcv: you shouldn't be getting much to configure :-P
22:01<nickzxcv>the only other package that pulled was xorg-docs
22:01<enouf>cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager says?
22:01<nickzxcv>/usr/bin/xdm
22:01<enouf>nickzxcv: ok
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22:02<enouf>nickzxcv: and as root or sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager {-window-manager} configure those
22:03<enouf>i recall this bug! about xdm only though, IIRC, and it was in the /etc/X11/xdm/* files somewhere
22:03<nickzxcv>I tried ratpoison and gdm and they did the same thing
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22:04<enouf>i know, i saw you try gdm, but i'm not sure if only XDM was affected or ...
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22:06<enouf>nickzxcv: i think this was the one http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486606
22:07<enouf>[1] You can also tell xdm to not set it by adding a DisplayManager*authName: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 to /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config
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22:12<nickzxcv>with that in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config I just get the X cursor and no login prompt when xdm starts
22:12<enouf>nickzxcv: might you have found a regression from the change made to fix/close that one? i don't know
22:12<enouf>ok
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22:14<nickzxcv>should I file a bugreport? on what package?
22:14<enouf>nickzxcv:
22:15<enouf>nickzxcv: $ strace -eopen,socket,connect startx
22:15<enouf>nickzxcv: $ strace -eopen,socket,connect startx > logfile
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22:15<enouf>nickzxcv: or $ strace -eopen,socket,connect -ologfile startx
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22:22<enouf>nickzxcv: also, someone (jidanni) on July 10 mentioned -> "I have worked around the bug (which is still present) with DisplayManager*authorize: false in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config."
22:22<enouf>but i think that bug is unrelated
22:23<enouf>(and should be fixed already)
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22:23<nickzxcv>http://www.schmalenberger.us/files/startx-stracelog
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22:26<enouf>seems we lost teh child processes there
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22:32<DeMoNHeLL>hi enouf
22:32<DeMoNHeLL>thanks for your help yesterday
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22:35<nickzxcv>enouf: DisplayManager*authorize: false worked
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22:40<tgblb>hey, I'm running debian lenny, with xfce4, and I pressed alt+prtscn hoping to get a screenshot but it just created virtual desktops, can someone tell me how to get rid of the virtual desktops? :P
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22:48<knoppix_>hi
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22:58<robbie>holasssss
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23:06<tony>hello?
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