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---Logopened Sat Sep 27 00:00:39 2008
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00:14<prolix>i had no idea
00:15<Baltazaar>just waiting for the nameeater to help me with my problems....
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00:23<Baltazaar>ok, so just a little question.... from googling my questions, I stumbled about the fact that many ubuntu users have the programms I need all nice and cozy in their packet lists. is there a possibility that you guys could add programms to the list too , like this client I try downloading, or like progress quest, so that it would be way easier to install?
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00:29<loopdee>question on these ati drivers ...
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00:31<nick>Why does aptitude not download any release files when I run aptitude update when their are sources listed in /etc/apt/sources.list file and no lock files for aptitude? I did not even get the messages about writing extended state information. I am running testing.
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00:44<prolix>Baltazaar: what does apt-cache search "gcj" say?
00:45<marty>hello, does anyone know how I can setup pidgin tray icon to show in my xfce panel?
00:46<marty>by default it's checked to show always
00:46<nick>Why does aptitude not download any release files when I run aptitude update when their are sources listed in /etc/apt/sources.list file and no lock files for aptitude? I did not even get the messages about writing extended state information. I am running testing.
00:47<marty>nick, you may want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
00:47<_Nameeater>prolix: at the moment Baltizaar is getting X11 errors when running the program such as: 'Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server', even when he runs xhost +localhost he gets that error
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00:49<nick>no files in sources.list.d they have always been listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
00:50<marty>weird, i am running sid and I have files
00:51<prolix>_Nameeater: ok
00:51<nick>what should I try?
00:51<marty>how about apt-get update?
00:52<nick>all I get with apt-get update is reading package lists messages but no messages about downloading any package header files like what normally happens?
00:53<marty>it could means that your repos are up to date?
00:54<nick>but there are no files in /var/lib/apt/lists.
00:55<marty>what to do you have in sources.list?
00:55<prolix>_Nameeater: i'd still like to know if there are two java compilers that the running application is making calls to. may be trivial, just another piece to the puzzle
00:55<nick> stuff and the stuff.
00:56<_Nameeater>prolix: fair enough, it was calling the gcj version to start with then I had him run update-alternatives and point it at the sun java and thats when he started getting the X11 errors
00:56<prolix>_Nameeater: what about apt-get remove gcj
00:57<Baltazaar>shall I try it?
00:57<marty>deb testing main contrib non-free #deb-src testing main contrib non-free
00:57<marty>try to add these and run apt-get update
00:57<prolix>Baltazaar: that's your call
00:57<marty>replace de with us
00:57<Baltazaar>well..... i do not know what it dos.....
00:58<Baltazaar>and if you promise to help me fix it, what bad can it do?
00:58<prolix>it would remove the free version of the java compiler leaving you with the non-free, more complete version of that application
00:59<Baltazaar>it says that the packet was not installed to begin with, so it was not deinstalled.
00:59<prolix>that's that
01:00<hatter>what does the 's' mean when its where the 'd' for directory is usually the permissions ?
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01:01<prolix>i thought _Nameeater said it was running that at first then....nevermind
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01:03<Baltazaar>I am just the messenger....
01:03<marty>hatter -- domain socker
01:03*prolix wanders off
01:03<marty>hatter -- domain socket
01:03<nick>well that worked. that was odd. it might have been removed with some update or something.
01:03<marty>nick, yes, it's possible
01:05<hatter>marty, thx
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01:05<nick>is there a way to tell apt-get or aptitude to download and install the build dependencies for packages I install? if I install the binary packages I want the not the sources but any libraries or tools to build the source package should I ever want to rebuild it. is this possible?
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01:07<marty>if you install binary files, you don't really need to resolve any dependencies as it's already done
01:07<Haibane_Rakka>is this where I would come to ask a newbie question regarding a fresh install?
01:07<marty>you may install build-essential
01:08<marty>it contains some core tools
01:08<prolix>aptitude: ask
01:08<aptitude>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
01:09<Haibane_Rakka>ok, thanks
01:09<Haibane_Rakka>I just installed the latest version of debian on a computer I have and it has a different interface for the ethernet every time it's restarted...
01:10<Haibane_Rakka>it started as eth0 and now it's up to eth12
01:10<marty>run Ceni and configure your interface
01:11<prolix>Haibane_Rakka: which version of debian did you install?
01:12<craigevil>marty: ceni is a sidux package its not in the debian repos
01:12<prolix>Haibane_Rakka: cat /etc/debian_version
01:12<Haibane_Rakka>I used the debian-40r4a-amd64-netinst.iso network install disc
01:13<Haibane_Rakka>so 4.0
01:13<marty>yes it is, but it could be installed, it's useful
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01:14<Haibane_Rakka>my experience with linux is limited but I've never seen it change the eth# every time it restarts before
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01:18<gsimmons>Haibane_Rakka: Are you using the forcedeth driver?
01:18<gsimmons>!forcedeth mac
01:18<dpkg>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*".
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01:19<Haibane_Rakka>apparently I am
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01:20<Haibane_Rakka>but I just installed this so I don't know what a lot of stuff going on is
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01:24<Haibane_Rakka>sweet! it's fixed
01:24<Haibane_Rakka>do you know why it does that
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01:43<clint1986>kei: hello
01:43<clint1986>kei: what's up?
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01:48<arthrotec>Is this channel in engilish?
01:50<arthrotec>I haven't been having problems with debian lately. I have just been trying to get trillian working with irc on my laptop. Guess It's working.
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01:50<clint1986>trillian? a windows app?
01:51<arthrotec>Yep. A windows app.
01:51<clint1986>well, you're in a deb channel :p
01:51<clint1986>you need help with wine?
01:51<clint1986>try #wine @
01:51<arthrotec>I know. This is my school machine. Running etch on my other box.
01:52<arthrotec>Thought I could do some lurking. Never really tried IRC before.
01:52<clint1986>use pidgin, or kopete
01:52<clint1986>something similar
01:53<clint1986>there is no need to keep using trillian
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01:53<arthrotec>I wasn't able to get Gaim working with msn messenger. Which is what everyone else I know uses.
01:54<clint1986>you're not at uni or college are you?
01:54<clint1986>there is something called "use http method"
01:54<clint1986>in the connection options for the msn account
01:54<clint1986>use that :)
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01:55<clint1986>let me guess: windows users can use msn just fine?
01:55<arthrotec>Is this in Gaim, and windows users can use msn.
01:55<clint1986>you need to tell gaim, or pidgin, to use http for msn
01:56<arthrotec>I'll go look
01:56<clint1986>look in the options for that specific account
01:56<clint1986>should be under "connection"
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01:56<clint1986>or along those lines
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01:59<arthrotec>That wouldn't be under proxy type, would it?
01:59<clint1986>you shouldn't need it
02:00<arthrotec>It's across the room, so I'm checking.
02:00<clint1986>when you add an account, you get sort of a basic and advanced options right?
02:00<clint1986>in the advanced bit, it should detail the connection, and you need to connect via http
02:00<arthrotec>found it. Thanks
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02:01<arthrotec>It was in advanced.
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02:02<clint1986>arthrotec: found it?
02:04<clint1986>you need that above :)
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02:05<arthrotec>Yes, I found it. Not that it was really lost. Any recommendations for irc client for deb? I'll check the link in a second. I've got to get it by my content filter.
02:05<clint1986>using gnome?
02:05<clint1986>irssi for text-base client, x-chat for gnome, konversation for kde
02:06<clint1986>but you can take a kde app to gnome and vice-versa if you want
02:07<clint1986>just means installing a lot of libs for perhaps one thing :p
02:07<arthrotec>I'm use XFCE
02:07<clint1986>that gtk then
02:07<clint1986>so i'd go for xchat
02:08<arthrotec>I'll make a note of that. Thanks
02:08<clint1986>no worries dude, does msn work?
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02:09<craigevil>for msn you probably want amsn or if you want a CLI centerim
02:10<arthrotec>Not sure. Trillian has me signed on here.
02:11<clint1986>there are some very good native *nix clients instead of emulating trillian you can use
02:13<arthrotec>I just loaded it tonight. Someone at school recommended it. Thought I check it out. File transfers seemed pretty darn slow.
02:13<craigevil>amsn only does msn but its pretty close to the windows messenger, centerim or pidgin are muiltiple protocol clients
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02:16<arthrotec>What's CLI centerim. Also, I'm not emulating trillian. I'm running it in windows. Thus, the delay while I run across the apartment to the other computer.
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02:17<chiocciolone>I got a lot of problem with cups and canon ip2000...
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02:18<arthrotec>Are pidgin and Gaim the same program?
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02:18<chiocciolone>first of all kde wizard tool told me that there's no usb printer :)
02:18<parecen>arthrotec: i think the pidgin project grew out of the gaim project
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02:19<arthrotec>That explains why the online help takes me to the pidgin website.
02:20<clint1986>gaim is now pidgin, i think
02:20<clint1986>or pidgin is the backend for gaim
02:20<arthrotec>Makes sense.
02:21<craigevil>pidgin is gaim the name was changed
02:21<clint1986>yeah, there ya go
02:21<craigevil>in etch its still gaim in testing or sid its pidgin
02:21<clint1986>i use kopete and have no idea what that uses myself
02:21<arthrotec>I was able to open the link and the advanced settings are the same.
02:21<craigevil>i just use bitlbee in konversation
02:22<craigevil>easier than having to use a second app
02:22<parecen>"On April 6, 2007, the project development team announced the results of their settlement with AOL, which included a series of name changes: Gaim became Pidgin, libgaim became libpurple, and gaim-text became finch."
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02:22<arthrotec>yer quick. I'll give you that.
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02:25<arthrotec>MSN is working in Gaim.
02:26<parecen>i think all protocols, MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, AOL and Jabber
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02:27<arthrotec>Yes, clint1986 was helping me get it set up for msn.
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02:27<kdas>.Xdefaults gets forgotten everytime i reboot how do i avoid this ?
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02:29<cTATUK>can i tar empty directories some how?
02:30<cTATUK>right-clicking and hitting create archive (which i believe uses file-roller).. results in the empty directories being automatically skipped and not included
02:30<cTATUK>any idea?
02:30<arthrotec>I figure out what CLI centerim is. Showed myself for the noob that I am.
02:31<arthrotec>The second one.
02:31<cTATUK>what's centerim?
02:31<cTATUK>CLI=command line interface
02:31<clint1986>in between
02:32<cTATUK>i'm not comprehending
02:32<arthrotec>a text mode based IM client for Linux, *BSD, Sun Solaris, MacOS X and possibly, other Unices. ICQ2000, Yahoo!, AIM TOC, IRC, MSN, Gadu-Gadu and Jabber protocols are now supported.
02:32<clint1986>you can make one protocol talk to another, for example
02:32<cTATUK>'centerim' is not an english-language dictionary word ..
02:32<cTATUK>mm .. ok
02:32<clint1986>you can talk to msn via irc
02:32<clint1986>not perfectly, but enough to chat, for example
02:32<clint1986>it sits in the middle,
02:33<cTATUK>Perfection is preferred, don't except anything less than excellence! :)
02:33<arthrotec>I was hoping to use trillian to chat and send files between myself and other students. This led to me trying gaim, etc.
02:33<kdas>anyone know about .Xdefaults
02:34<arthrotec>I'm all for the perfection.
02:35<clint1986>use pidgim/gaim with http
02:35<clint1986>for msn anyway
02:35<kdas>use bitlbee not pidgin!!
02:35<clint1986>you'll be ok, so long as the msn file transfer ports are open
02:36<cTATUK>does bitlbee handle msn?
02:36<arthrotec>Yes, it's working. Thanks again. It should be transferring at better than 2-6k/b, rightttt.
02:37<kdas>cTATUK, yes it does but i think it uses the old protocol ?
02:37<clint1986>at uni, the connection could be choked
02:38<clint1986>all those people youtubing
02:38<arthrotec>On whether i have the right ports open and I'm at home not on campus.
02:38<clint1986>ports don't really matter at uni
02:38<clint1986>you can't really redirect them to make any use of them
02:39<clint1986>unless you know the network admins
02:39<kdas>i want help!!! haha
02:40<arthrotec>I'm at home, but I think it's the firewall on my server.
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02:42<kdas>.Xdefaults anyone ?
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02:43<arthrotec>Do you think a transparent web proxy would slow transfer speed. It looks like I have the ports forwarded correctly. Sorry, I can't offer help with the Xdefaults.
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02:44<kdas>arthrotec, what you using the proxy for?
02:45<clint1986>if the ports are correctly forwarded, it might just be that you're getting the best speed you can
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02:45<clint1986>msn file transfer is not great
02:45<clint1986>so many people use it
02:46<arthrotec>I'm using squid to cache web pages, downloaded programs, etc.
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02:47<clint1986>also, the person at the receiving end could have a bad config
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02:49<arthrotec>I think your probabley right about msn. Not sure if I want to set up a ftp server or not. The other person thinks it's on my end. Not sure. I think I'll try connecting directly to the internet next. Have to wait though, he's gone to work.
02:49<cTATUK>So, I said to pi: "be rational!", and he just said "get real!"..
02:50<arthrotec>I'm sorry to say that I understand the joke.
02:50<clint1986>rational equations?
02:50<clint1986>or does my maths fail me?
02:51<clint1986>it's been a while
02:51<arthrotec>I still wake up in the middle of the night screaming.
02:52<clint1986>because of pi?
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02:53<clint1986>don't let no number have power over you!
02:53<arthrotec>It could have been something else that I ate.
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02:53<clint1986>you mean, like theta?
02:54<arthrotec>Like theta.
02:54<clint1986>theta cheese?
02:55<arthrotec>You lost me.
02:56<clint1986>nevermind :p
02:56<clint1986>any other debian queries?
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02:57<zepard>hi people,
02:57<arthrotec>Not right now, thanks for the help. Any insight on Lenny's release.
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02:57<zepard>Im just waking up, and would like thank all people working on debian :D
02:58<arthrotec>I have to ask, what's XD.
02:58<clint1986>arthrotec: the release critical bugs bit is something to watch
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02:58<clint1986>269 left :)
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02:59<clint1986>zepard: hello :)
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03:00<arthrotec>I was hoping for an official release. Is 269 the number of critical bugs left before official release.
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03:01<clint1986>more can be opened
03:01<clint1986>that's why it is called "testing"
03:01<clint1986>it can go up or down
03:02<RimFrost>when i try to install Deluge bittorrent client from source in Debian it tells me that setuptools (>=0.6c6) is not installed and that i need to install a more recent version first ?
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03:02<arthrotec>Yes, I was just looking at the graph. I had seen something about a september release. Not sure if it's true or not.
03:03<clint1986>it was a projected date
03:03<craigevil>RimFrost: deluge is in sid you might try to backport it or look on
03:04<clint1986>the next stable release arrives when it is ready
03:04<clint1986>best way really
03:04<clint1986>i have a feeling we might get it before 2009
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03:04<clint1986>but a billion rc-bugs might show up
03:04<clint1986>so who knows
03:05<craigevil>if you just want to use it on your desktop testing is pretty stable as is, wouldnt use it on a server til its actually released though
03:05<clint1986>yeah, you can you use it quite safely for something non-critical
03:05<clint1986>in fact, the more the better
03:05<arthrotec>I had alot of trouble with nvidia's drivers. Went back to etch.
03:06<clint1986>you might spot a problem others haven't
03:06<clint1986>i'm at university though, so i stick to stable to prevent problems
03:06<clint1986>don't want things breaking in the middle of writing an essay and the like
03:07<craigevil>i use lenny on my eeepc and sid on both my desktops, havent had any major issues since before etch was released
03:07<clint1986>but lenny is quite solid now
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03:09<arthrotec>Only had trouble with nvidia video drivers. I couldn't find a fix, so I gave up. Not very determined I guess.
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03:10<clint1986>using the nvidia drivers from the site or in lenny?
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03:10<clint1986>you might have caught them at a time things were changing if you were using the lenny drivers
03:11<cTATUK>i've been using etch since the day it was released up til now!
03:11<cTATUK>i have been pleasantly pleased!
03:11<arthrotec>I think I tried both. On different occasions.
03:11<cTATUK>excited about the soon upcoming lenny release :)
03:11<clint1986>i started with sarge, myself
03:11<cTATUK>i've used woody for about 3 months back in the day
03:11<clint1986>good times :)
03:11<cTATUK>just to test it out on a spare computer
03:11<cTATUK>but yup for 17 months straight now i've been running etch
03:12<cTATUK>i hope stable etch->lenny upgrade is smooth
03:12<clint1986>it's a damn good release
03:12<arthrotec>I am such a noob.
03:12<clint1986>how so?
03:12<RimFrost>thanks, i downloaded the .deb packaga from and installed it worked fine.
03:12<clint1986>because you're new?
03:13<clint1986>you're making the effort to learn at least
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03:13<RimFrost>gotta uninstall kTorrent, dont like that client
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03:13<zepard>RimFrost: I like deluge
03:13<RimFrost>me too i love it
03:14<cTATUK>qbittorrent is a nice one
03:14<craigevil>i like the kde4 ktorrent its nice
03:14<RimFrost>Ktorrent is so.... slow in someway
03:14<clint1986>i like a lot of the kde4 stuff :)
03:14<clint1986>being a kde fan
03:14<arthrotec>I've been running etch for about five months, now. Tried various distros a few years ago, finally have an extra machine. I pretty happy with etch.
03:15<clint1986>i've always found ktorrent quite nice
03:15<zepard>clint1986: fluxbox is good too
03:15<clint1986>looks nice in screenies :p
03:15<clint1986>don't like it day-to-day myself
03:15<RimFrost>i ran kde a while but im more for Gnome like Gnome
03:16<zepard>RimFrost: i like simple things
03:16<clint1986>but deluge is a nice client, from what i've seen
03:16<RimFrost>me too
03:16<clint1986>and transmission
03:17<zepard>never tried transmission, heard about it thougn
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03:18<clint1986>torrents have kind of lost their meaning for me now i'm at university
03:18<zepard>clint1986: how is that
03:18<clint1986>can't bloody make a connection!
03:18<zepard>clint1986: I mean why lost meaning
03:19<RimFrost>i want a stable, secure system thats why i did choose Debian. i demand a secure system
03:19<clint1986>can't possibly forward a port
03:19<clint1986>unless i talk to the admins
03:19<clint1986>on dhcp too
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03:19<clint1986>i rarely used them anyway
03:19<zepard>I torrent at home only
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03:20<clint1986>i was going to set up a machine on ssh at home
03:20<clint1986>to connect to from uni
03:20<zepard>clint1986: risky?
03:20<clint1986>yeah, i like to obey rules
03:20<clint1986>as a rule
03:20<zepard>clint1986: your admin will not be happy
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03:21<clint1986>not worth trying to explain it to him
03:21<clint1986>although i still ssh for irc
03:21<clint1986>but i did that for ages anyway
03:21<clint1986>even before uni
03:22<zepard>I m interested for irc use
03:22<zepard>isn't there web irc's
03:22<clint1986>yeah, cgi-irc
03:22<clint1986>or servers on port 80
03:22<clint1986>efnet has one, i think
03:23<clint1986>a bit underhand, but hey :p
03:23<clint1986>the problem is: i like irc, a lot
03:23<clint1986>so i couldn't bring myself to close my shell account :(
03:23<zepard>hum google's birthday!
03:24<clint1986>a decade already?
03:24<clint1986>i remember the days when my friends were recommending google
03:24<clint1986>over yahoo
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03:25<zepard>i had yahoo mail before
03:25<zepard>but gone too far with their interface
03:25<clint1986>gmail is all the rage
03:25<clint1986>you can't get into a party without a gmail address these days
03:26<clint1986>well, perhaps i'm going a bit too far
03:26<clint1986>but you get the point :p
03:26<clint1986>besides, gmail is *actually* good i think
03:26<clint1986>for free
03:27<craigevil>as long as your not one of those paranoid ppl that thinks google is evil
03:27<zepard>my wife uses a non free one it's not butter
03:27<zepard>craigevil: personal mail then
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03:28<arthrotec>I just installed xchat as recommeded. Looks interesting.
03:28<craigevil>no i like google :), isps are just as bad when it comes to snooping as google
03:28<clint1986>for desperately important mail, i have some addresses i can use
03:29<clint1986>on my own domain
03:29<clint1986>but i'm that paranoid, so far
03:29<clint1986>i'm not*
03:29<zepard>well I find gmail realy slow on my iceweasel
03:29<zepard>mhz(pIII )
03:30<zepard>mhz(pIII 700mhz)
03:30<clint1986>and i don't see the adverts as i tend to read my mail through kmail/kontact
03:30<clint1986>not that it means they are not scanning the messages, of course
03:30<zepard>yes, but too much work for spam filtering when personal domain/mail
03:30<craigevil>i gave up on iceweasel i find opera is much faster, i was a big firefox/iw fanboy for yrs
03:31<clint1986>i use iw for compatibility
03:31<clint1986>i like konqueror though
03:31*prolix stretches
03:31<clint1986>hello prolix :)
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03:32<mkhlnsh>howdy. are there any ISOs for sid?
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03:35<zepard>I would like to see more ogg based sites
03:35<zepard>it's annoying all that heavy stuff for videos
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03:36<zepard>is ogg heavy to play on browsers
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03:38<clint1986>on memory and cpu?
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03:38<zepard>well, both
03:38<clint1986>i just think mp3 has become the standard
03:38<chiocciolone>please help, I got problem with cups on lenny: cups 1.3.8 + lenny amd 64 + usb printer. It seems that /dev/usb/lp0 has got wrong permissions. Setting them to 666 fix the problem
03:38<clint1986>nothing wrong with ogg
03:39<clint1986>but most people just associate mp3 with music on the web
03:39<zepard>clint1986: it's about vids
03:39<phorce1>*this* ISP is moving his email to a gmail hosted solution after a *short* discussion with customers. The man hours being eaten up trying to fend off the spammers is killing us.
03:39<clint1986>chiocciolone: say that again, it didn't make much sense
03:39<clint1986>zepard: is that velora, or whatever?
03:39<chiocciolone>clint1986, what?
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03:40<clint1986>chiocciolone: well, you said you fixed it
03:40<Tuplad>what to do when I'm trying to start iceweasel and I get a segmentation fault ? happens a lot with iceweasel lately :o
03:40<clint1986>chiocciolone: not sure what you're asking
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03:40<chiocciolone>clint1986, not definitely
03:40<phorce1>(yes, that discussion was 10 minutes ago)
03:40<clint1986>chiocciolone: which brand of printer?
03:40<chiocciolone>clint1986, after rebooting, permissions are set back to rw only for user root and printer stops to work
03:41<chiocciolone>clint1986, canon PIXMA iP2000
03:41<clint1986>chiocciolone: have you looked at printconf?
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03:41<mkhlnsh>I'm gonna ask again: are there any ISOs for sid? I keep finding _just_ for lenny even there where it is suposed to be sid. am I missing something?
03:41<chiocciolone>clint1986, uh, no!
03:41<clint1986>chiocciolone: or for kde and gnome, they have their own menus
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03:42<Tuplad>what to do when I'm trying to start iceweasel and I get a segmentation fault ? happens a lot with iceweasel lately :o
03:42<clint1986>chiocciolone: and you have to add users that are allowed to use the printer
03:42<chiocciolone>clint1986, I used kde printer tool
03:42<zepard>ok, I think im going to take a breakfast now
03:42<chiocciolone>clint1986, yes I added normal user to lp, but even with root won't work
03:42<clint1986>chiocciolone: did you add users that are *allowed* access to the printer?
03:42<clint1986>chiocciolone: a specific user?
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03:42<phorce1>mkhlnsh: I don't know the answer but you might want to ask in #debian over on freenode
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03:42<chiocciolone>clint1986, I tried root
03:42<clint1986>chiocciolone: no!
03:42<chiocciolone>clint1986, and it won't work
03:42<clint1986>chiocciolone: which user do you use normally
03:43<chiocciolone>clint1986, another one
03:43<chiocciolone>clint1986, another one
03:43<chiocciolone>clint1986, it's in group lp
03:43<mkhlnsh>phorce1, thanks.
03:43<clint1986>ok, go to the kde print configuration menu
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03:43<chiocciolone>clint1986, ok
03:43<Tuplad>anyone ? :}
03:43<chiocciolone>clint1986, then?
03:43<clint1986>control center > periperhals > printers
03:44<chiocciolone>clint1986, then?
03:44<clint1986>you need to go to admin mode
03:44<clint1986>should be at the bottom
03:44<phorce1>Tuplad: it's never happened here. Have you run memtest on the box to help rule out a hardware issue
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03:44<chiocciolone>clint1986, done!
03:44<chiocciolone>clint1986, done!
03:44<chiocciolone>clint1986, red frame on
03:44<clint1986>ok, choose the printer
03:44<clint1986>can you see a properties tab?
03:45<clint1986>ok, left hand menu
03:45<Tuplad>phorce1: it's not a hardware issue. I'm using debian lenny and I update frequently, and out of nowhere I started getting segmentation faults for iceweasel only, sometimes. I remember there was a console command to debug or something.
03:45<clint1986>see something called users?
03:45<chiocciolone>set as user default
03:45<clint1986>not yet
03:45<chiocciolone>clint1986, ok
03:46<chiocciolone>clint1986, I clicked on properties tab
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03:46<chiocciolone>clint1986, all user allowed
03:46<phorce1>Tuplad: I'm running Lenny, I update daily, I beat the snot out of IceWeasel (I have 3 copies with about 3 - 5 tabs in each open now). No segfaults.
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03:46<clint1986>chiocciolone: wait
03:46<Tuplad>phorce1: weird :o
03:46<Tuplad>phorce1: but it's definitely not a hardware issue. I'll try reconfiguring it
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03:47<clint1986>chiocciolone: are you looking at what i am looking at
03:47<clint1986>chiocciolone: see it says "clint" in the users list?
03:47<chiocciolone>yes it is the same
03:47<clint1986>you are in that list?
03:47<chiocciolone>but it says "All users allowed"
03:48<clint1986>could i trouble you for a screenshot?
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03:48<clint1986>you sure it says "allowed"
03:49<clint1986>because there is also a "deny" list
03:49<chiocciolone>clint1986, yes
03:49<chiocciolone>clint1986, yes
03:49<chiocciolone>clint1986, I know
03:49<Tuplad>phorce1: do you know maybe what command I am talking about ?
03:49<phorce1>Tuplad: for debugging? You could try strace to see where it breaks.
03:50<clint1986>either try printconf OR make a script that sets that printer permissions at startup for you
03:50<clint1986>it works with the chmod as root, yeah?
03:50<clint1986>so add a script to init.d
03:51<Tuplad>phorce1: it was something else... xx iceweasel and then you could type "start" to start the program and then you'd get debug symbols etc. you could also dump the logs etc.
03:51<clint1986>chiocciolone: aptitude show printconf
03:51<clint1986>chiocciolone: might be what you need, but usually kdeprint gets it right
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03:51<phorce1>Tuplad: sounds like strace
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03:52<Tuplad>phorce1: nope, just tried it
03:52<phorce1>Tuplad: gdb?
03:53<phorce1>*strace with a pretty face)
03:53<chiocciolone>clint1986, tx
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03:54<Tuplad>phorce1: :D
03:54<Tuplad>phorce1: now I gotta figure out what to do
03:55<Tuplad>phorce1: because I get "/usr/bin/iceweasel": not in executable format: File format not recognized
03:55<phorce1>Tuplad: I just updated and there was no new iceweasel so I have at least the same version you do.
03:55<Tuplad>phorce1: true
03:56<clint1986>chiocciolone: you not that bad off really, you can get it to work - with a simple script you can that chmod run when the maching boots
03:56<Tuplad>phorce1: how do I completely uninstall and purge iceweasel ?
03:56<phorce1>Tuplad: /lib/iceweasel/iceweasel
03:56<clint1986>aptitude pruge iceweasel
03:56<aptitude>clint1986: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
03:56<phorce1>Tuplad: /usr/bin/iceweasel is just a link
03:56<clint1986>well, purge
03:56<clint1986>then rm -rf .moziila
03:56<Tuplad>phorce1: roger that
03:56<Tuplad>clint1986: thx
03:56<clint1986>or mozilla
03:57<clint1986>the .mozilla is all the files local to your user that iw used - like plugins
03:57<clint1986>in $home
03:57<clint1986>could wipe out bookmarks though, and the like
03:58<phorce1>clint1986: not "could" -- *will*
03:58<clint1986>yeah, like he said!
03:58<clint1986>damn my indirectness
03:59*phorce1 uses the backup feature regularly. If I have to wipe I just move the last backup file out to safety and restore it when I reinstall
03:59<clint1986>just mv .mozilla mozilla_old
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04:01<phorce1>If I'm wiping out that far down then bookmarks is usually all I need to save anyway. The .json file it creates makes restore easy.
04:01<clint1986>i collect bookmarks like there is no tomorrow
04:01<clint1986>i estimate that 30% of my drive is bookmarks
04:02<clint1986>i should archive but then i'd just have a tonne of folders to search through
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04:02<clint1986>and i'm lame
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04:04<phorce1>clint1986: my bookmarks backup file is about 300K. I back them up because there are WAY too many random sites that I'd forget and never find again if I lost them
04:04<clint1986>do you find you bookmark them and never go back?
04:04<clint1986>"that looks cool" *bookmarked*
04:05<craigevil>my iw bookmark backup is 430kb
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04:06<clint1986>300 kb here
04:06<clint1986>i feel inferior
04:06<clint1986>i might just bookmark random google crud to feel better
04:07<craigevil>thats from using firfox/iw for the past 4 yrs
04:07<Tuplad>got iceweasel working! purge helped :)
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04:07<clint1986>Tuplad: groovy :)
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04:09<phorce1>clint1986: never go back --- there are hundreds, if not thousands. Of course I never go back to a lot of them . ;-)
04:09<Tuplad>clint1986: :D
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04:10*phorce1 tried to merge bookmarks from multiple machines. He still has a lot of cleaning up to do.
04:10<clint1986>i love you guys
04:10<phorce1>Supaplex: infotron?
04:10<hatter>how do change vim so when i paste it doesnt add consecutive tabs in front of each line pasted ?
04:10<craigevil>phorce1: yeah thats partly why mine is so big i used to use google browser sync
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04:11<gsimmons>hatter: :set paste
04:11<clint1986>wrong channel
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04:11<hatter>gsimmons, can that be set in a vim config file ?
04:11<gsimmons>hatter: Yes.
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04:11<hatter>gsimmons, great thx
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04:14<phorce1>craigevil: /me tried to do it by hand. LOTS AND LOTS of dupes.
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04:15<craigevil>bookmark duplicate extension is nice it removes duplicates
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04:16<phorce1>craigevil: but you still have to kinda poke through them all by hand to pick which version you want to keep. I have everything sorted pretty well into folders
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04:27<parecen>clint1986: dont feel bad when other people have huge bookmark files. some times have a 2KB site description :)
04:27<parecen>s/some times/some sites/
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04:50<chiocciolone>clint1986, purging cups and reinstalling fix the problem
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05:17<abli>Hi! I want to make a custom package that will depend on postfix, and preseed the debconf questions postfix would ask. Is this possible? Basically what I want is that 'apt-get my_package' should install postfix, but not ask any debconf questions. The issue I am concerned with is that how can I get my_package to provide debconf settings for another package?
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05:29<initiate>can someone take a look at this
05:30<initiate>no idea what to do now :/
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05:33<barnes>initiate install mktemp ?
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05:36<initiate>can you help me out then barnes
05:37<initiate>i've never installed anything without apt-get :p
05:37<barnes>apt-get install mktemp ?
05:38<initiate>apt-get doesn't work
05:38<initiate>gives back 'run dpkg --configure -a'
05:38<initiate>hence i posted the pastebin link
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05:39<barnes>what does apt-get update tell you?
05:40<initiate>updates and then again - dpkg was interrupted .... run dpkg --configure -a
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05:46<_Nameeater>initiate: my unskilled, and brutish way, would be to try and force install mktemp :)
05:47<initiate>_Nameeater just did, but still the problem is not solved :p
05:47<_Nameeater>is it the exact same problem?
05:47<phorce1>initiate: work your way back through ALL of the unconfigured packages and do an apt-get install on each one, one at a tim
05:47<initiate>nope :)
05:48<initiate>that's what i get now
05:48<initiate>and unknown error doesn't sound good :)
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05:50<initiate>just saw that it says again that mktemp is not found O.o
05:50<phorce1>initiate: happened to me on a machine I upgraded from etch to lenny and that was how I fixed it. Using aptitude might be a good idea too, it's better about dependencies.
05:51<initiate>phorce1 i know that but the problem is that when i run apt-get * i get
05:51<initiate> you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
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05:51<phorce1>initiate: also search for the unconfigured packages and try running dpkg-reconfigure on them
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05:52<initiate>if i only knew how to do that phorce1
05:54<phorce1>dpkg -l | grep ih (or grep if)
05:54<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep ih (or grep if)
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05:55<initiate>loads of unconfugired things
05:55<phorce1>initiate: actually, "if" gets way too many hits
05:56<phorce1>initiate: add quotes and a space
05:56<phorce1>initiate: dpkg -l | grep "ih " and dpkg -l | grep "if "
05:57<initiate>ok, ih returns only one hit and dpkg-reconfigure does nothing
05:57<initiate>libdmx1 to be exact
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05:57<phorce1>initiate: how about if (failed config)
05:59<initiate>about 20-25 pkgs
05:59<phorce1>initiate: start going through each of them with dpkg-reconfigure
06:00<phorce1>initiate: then look for "iu " (packages that got as far as unpacking and never made it to config) and do the same thing.
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06:03<initiate>ok done it
06:04<initiate>reconfigure the -iu packages too?
06:04<initiate>or -i ?
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06:05<initiate>seems like stuff is working now
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06:06<initiate>thanks phorce1
06:08<phorce1>initiate: Taaa Daaaaa! ;-)
06:08<phorce1>like magic
06:09<phorce1>It happens when dependencies try to intsall themselves out-of-order during a BIG upgrade
06:09<initiate>i see ... well, that blows actually, but oh well
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06:10<initiate>whoopsie, wrong window to close :p
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06:13<phorce1>package B needs package A fully installed before it can finish config and package C needs packabe B to be fully installed before it can complete configuration. No problem, A comes before B and B comes before C. But for some reason package A need package C to be fully installed before it can complete --- oops, problem.
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06:14<phorce1>(that's an impossible to solve example that doesn't actually work the it needs to but it gives a general idea of the problem)
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06:15<phorce1>s/work the /work the way/
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06:19<phorce1>how NOT to behave on an IRC help channel.
06:20<initiate>so phorce1 , the best that could happen is to circle in a endless recursion
06:21<phorce1>initiate: In the example I provided, yes. I've only seen a couple that bad. They had to be fixed by manually tweaking the preinst and postinst scripts.
06:22<initiate>well i guess it's time for me to get one of those huge books on unix and become a guru
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06:23<phorce1>That paste was from #linuxtv. Not a good channel if you're in a hurry anyway. I had answers to questions I asked pop up in conversation 2 DAYS after I asked.
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06:24<initiate>phorce1 lol
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06:27<initiate>i have a small problem
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06:28<initiate>when i installed debian i left my old D: and E: from windows, but now i don't have access to them from this user ... how can i grant access to my every day user to them?
06:29<phorce1>initiate: this network is a little slow and I don't know off the top of my head. Join #debian on freenode and ask
06:30<initiate>phorce1, i`m not in a hurry and i like it here, so i`ll wait
06:30<initiate>#debian on answered all my questions so far so i`ll stick to it :)
06:31<initiate>huh, i don't have sound :/
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07:09<RimFrost>when i installed the nvidia graphic driver in debian etch 4.0 r4 and boot it up it says loop loaded in the startup instead of nvidia? shouldnt it say nvidia there? when i have selected nvidia in the xorg conf file?
07:09<RimFrost>can that be a reason it wont read in the driver?
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07:20<nickzxcv_>is it possible to use cups-client as an ipp client for a non-cups network printer without involving cupsd?
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07:37<bob_>good morning people, is it possible to have displayed a list of the users online here in xchat as is displayed on konversation?, and yes I was a KDE user :P
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07:45<bob_>how did you installed the nvidia driver, RimFrost?
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07:58<knoppix-n00b>hello anyone here?
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08:06<knoppix-n00b>someone tell me
08:06<knoppix-n00b>my laptop mouse pad is not working properly
08:06<knoppix-n00b>im running live knopix
08:07<avu>knoppix-n00b, then you're asking in the wrong channel
08:07<knoppix-n00b>knoppix dvd...and its very slow...dragging around the mouse
08:07<avu>knoppix-n00b, this is #debian
08:07<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
08:07<knoppix-n00b>where should i go now
08:07<avu>read what dpkg just wrote
08:07<avu>he told you where to go instead
08:08<knoppix-n00b>where can i get debian?
08:08<knoppix-n00b>is it free?
08:08<knoppix-n00b>or do i have to purchase
08:08<avu>yes, read the website
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08:09<knoppix-n00b>oh thanks.
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08:12<knoppix-n00b>#knoppix there is no-one
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08:21<SeLEct>Hi, Im using Postfix to let different applications to send emails. Where can i find the loggs, why it havent send a mail to someone or something? anyone know?
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08:34<ansgar>SeLEct: /var/log/mail
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08:38<|FaBoOoO|>ho bisogno di una mano
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08:38<|FaBoOoO|>cè qualcuno che può spendere 5 secondi di tempo per me
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08:45<Tuplad>how do I list all mounted devices?
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08:58<ajkroll][>debian lenny, rrdtool bug on fonts, who do I contact about that?
08:58<ajkroll][>see:|a1074696 ... it's fixed in a later version than offered on lenny
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09:01<techbee>hi, can someone tell me default credential for debian kde live cd
09:01<bob_>good morning everybody
09:02<mettao87>how can i solve this problem: out of memory: kill process 2 (ksoftirqd/0) score 0 and chinldren?
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09:02<mettao87>i want to install debian on ibm 380ed but i have that problem
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09:02<ajkroll][>nevermind, I just discovered reoportbug :-)
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09:08<techbee>can sometell me default username and password for debian kde live cd , i have tried live , but its incorrect
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09:10<zenit>it should be live / live, and no password for root
09:10<paistis>just use su
09:10<ajkroll][>su -
09:11<ajkroll][>su - is a bit better
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09:11<techbee>i have tried with live , but it says incorrect
09:16<ajkroll][>btw, nice bug report tool
09:17<ajkroll][>because of it, I'll continue to use debain on my server, I was pretty close to eliminating it, as it is the last debian box I have left.
09:18<ajkroll][>my biggest concern is how even lenny is behind on a great number of packages. I realize many do packages in thier spare time, however lack of leadership is no excuse for inaction IMHO.
09:19<zenit>what do you use now?
09:19<ajkroll][>on my production boxes I use slackware + third party packages
09:19<ajkroll][>I get updates daily, always the latest bugfixes even before pat pushes them
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09:20<azeem>ajkroll][: Debian cares more about security than about daily upstream updates
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09:20<ajkroll][>azeem: I realize that.
09:21<azeem>ajkroll][: then the statement about lack of leadership is either misinformed or malicious
09:21<ajkroll][>azeem: but if the security is fixed upstream, why not just do that instead of screwing about with patching?
09:21<gsimmons>mettao87: Your system doesn't have enough memory installed for debian-installer's use, see section 2.5 of the Debian i386 Installation Guide. The 380ED has 16MB in most factory configurations, you'll need 32MB in order to start d-i in low memory mode.
09:21<azeem>ajkroll][: you might want to read up on fundamental security principles, this is not the right channel here
09:22<ajkroll][>azeem: I do not mean to offend, nore point fingers, it's a simple question.
09:22<azeem>ajkroll][: I realize, but it's an off-topic question
09:22<mettao87>gsimmons: thanks. i've read it on-line now. i think i'll switch off my old laptop e put it away. thanks. bye.
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09:23<ajkroll][>azeem: are you saying that maintainers go line-by-line in the code and that is why they prefer to patch?
09:24<ajkroll][>azeem: then what is the reasoning?
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09:25<ajkroll][>azeem: patching v.s. updating to a patched upstream version. I see it in quite a few packages that are very dated
09:25<azeem>15:19 < azeem> ajkroll][: you might want to read up on fundamental security principles, this is not the right channel here
09:26<ajkroll][>fine, I shall do so, and is there a channel to ask such a pointed question?
09:26<azeem>I don't know, sorry
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09:28<ajkroll][>the bug I filed was fixed in rrdtool back in June of this year
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09:29<bob_>Debian is by far the better distro that I'd ever try
09:29<ajkroll][>lenny is only 2 revisions behind too, but still
09:29<bob_>rock solid
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09:30<ajkroll][>bob_: depends on what your goals are. I prefer slackware for production, debian does make a solid server though.
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09:30<azeem>ajkroll][: and it got fixed in the Debian package yesterday
09:31<bob_>well, I use it for multimedia, video encoding, developement and to play ET
09:31<ajkroll][>azeem: I didn't see it in the bugfix list
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09:31<azeem>ajkroll][: what upstream bug are you talking about anyway?
09:31<ajkroll][>I just filed it
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09:32<azeem>rrdtool: problem with changing the font?
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09:32<azeem>why do you think this is important?
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09:33<ajkroll][>while it's not a showstopper, it does make the presentation of my graphs not what they should be. it's a bug, and even Oetiker has patched it
09:33<azeem>that doesn't explain why it should be important
09:33<ajkroll][>basically, I'm forced to push my rrd's (which are quite large btw) to my slack box to process them, instead of just having them
09:34<ajkroll][>it wastes my time, and my time is valuable
09:34<azeem>your time is not very valuable to the Debian project
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09:34<azeem>right now, developer time fixing serious problems is more valuable, sorry
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09:35<azeem>ajkroll][: but maybe this one is getting fixed; though you did a pretty bad job at explaining why this is important
09:35<ajkroll][>I do realize there are priorities
09:35<ajkroll][>don't get me wrong
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09:35<azeem>ajkroll][: maybe it is clear for a rrd user, but I assumed it was just something in the GUI
09:35<azeem>not any output render quality or something
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09:36<ajkroll][>a bug is a bug :-) anyway it's a simple 5 line fix
09:36<azeem>ajkroll][: in any case, coming up with a phrase like "lack of leadership" is way out of proportion
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09:36<azeem>ajkroll][: dude, do you have any idea about release management or bug management at all?
09:36<azeem>there's 100000 open Debian bugs right now
09:37<azeem>please explain why *Debian* should prioritize this bug you filed *10 minutes ago* over the 300+ showstopper bugs
09:37<ajkroll][>perhaps, but if they need help, telling others that they could care less about other's concerns isn't a good thing for publicity
09:37<williams>ola, gostaria de falar com alguem em portugues
09:37<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
09:37<azeem>ajkroll][: who said that?
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09:37<azeem>ajkroll][: I'm just saying Debian is currently prioritizing bug fixing because it is currently in the last stages of a release
09:38<azeem>ajkroll][: obviously rrdtool will get updated after the release in preparation for the next release
09:38<ajkroll][><azeem> your time is not very valuable to the Debian project
09:38<ajkroll][>it might be
09:38<azeem>ajkroll][: I'm saying whether this bug is important for you has no bearing on how Debian should prioritize it
09:38*ajkroll][ nods
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09:39<ajkroll][>I offered the patch via URL, so :-)
09:39<ajkroll][>incase they prefer to patch
09:39<azeem>ajkroll][: if you'd have filed it last week, it'd be probably fixed in yesterday's upload
09:39<azeem>ajkroll][: the data corruption bug at is obviously more important than this
09:40<ajkroll][>well, truth is, I just got lenny moved into the machine 3 days ago, needed a report and, I was like "WTF?!?!"
09:40<williams>Quero instalar a internet 3g no debian
09:40<azeem>ajkroll][: dude, it's an upstream regression
09:40<azeem>it's not Debian's fault
09:40<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
09:41<ajkroll][>azeem: yes, data corruption is a bad thing
09:41<ajkroll][>I totally agree
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09:42<azeem>ajkroll][: also, 1.3.1 got released in late July, why doesn't it contain that font fix if it was found in June?
09:43<azeem>this wasn't a yes or no question
09:43<ajkroll][>I read that wrong
09:43<ajkroll][>I don't know :-)
09:43<azeem>well, I believe you
09:43<ajkroll][>RRDtool 1.2.99907080300 and better does have the fix
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09:44<azeem>ajkroll][: what does "dpkg -l rrdtool | tail -1" say?
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09:44<ajkroll][>again, a bugfix in 1.3 messed it up
09:44<azeem>that forum post you linked to is from early June
09:45<ajkroll][>I believe in 1.3.2 it's fixed, atleast, that would make sense
09:46<azeem>ajkroll][: can you please answer my question?
09:46<azeem>15:41 < azeem> ajkroll][: what does "dpkg -l rrdtool | tail -1" say?
09:46<azeem>ajkroll][: rrdtool-1.3.1 only moved to lenny 1-2 days ago
09:46<ajkroll][>moment, I'll check the server
09:46<azeem>ajkroll][: maybe you ran an outdated version, and it's even fixed by now
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09:46<azeem>[2008-08-25] rrdtool 1.3.1-3 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)
09:47<azeem>it was at 1.2.28 before tha
09:47<ajkroll][>ii rrdtool 1.3.1-3 Time-series data storage and display system (programs)
09:48<azeem>ajkroll][: then please try to reproduce the bug again, if you haven't done so today yet
09:48<azeem>or since the last time you ran apt-get upgrade
09:48<ajkroll][>still wrong font
09:48<ajkroll][>want a url? the font is wrong on this example graph too
09:49<ajkroll][>got a nice spike there from Japan earlier this morning too :-)
09:49<azeem>ajkroll][: if you want to have this fixed, I suggest you try to build 1.3.2 yourself and make sure the bug is fixed there
09:50<azeem>cause currently the situation is /very/ unclear
09:50<ajkroll][>1.3.3 is latest :-)
09:50<ajkroll][>definatly should be fixed in that
09:50<azeem>ah ok
09:50<azeem>then that
09:50<ajkroll][> rrdtool-1.3.3.tar.gz 14-Sep-2008 22:36 1.0M
09:51<azeem>well, try both then
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09:51<azeem>and maybe try the upstream 1.3.1 as well
09:51<azeem>if it works there, it's a Debian regression, and the bug is more likely to get fixed
09:51<ajkroll][>will do, but I'll do it on slack, since it's package management won't fight me
09:51<ajkroll][>gimmie a moment
09:52<azeem>ajkroll][: just mail with your findings
09:52<azeem>and maybe some more details why this bug is important
09:54<ajkroll][># make && make install
09:54*ajkroll][ mashes CR
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10:02<ajkroll][>yes, the fix is in there
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10:03<ajkroll][>works fine from what I can see too
10:03<cTATUK>$ echo 'why does this happen?' > /dev/dsp
10:03<cTATUK>bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
10:03<cTATUK>`lsof -n|grep /dev/dsp` => Nothing
10:04<ajkroll][>cTATUK: don't use legacy OSS interfaces, try to set all audio apps to use Alsa
10:04<ajkroll][>(if you can)
10:04<cTATUK>yes. but in my case that's not possible.
10:04<cTATUK>because i'm trying to use python's ossaudiodev module
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10:04<cTATUK>so it's imperative for oss to work in this fashion
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10:04<bigtone>I am struggling with a lenny install. In short, I want LVM over LUKS over RAID6. Can't do it through the installer, so I used another disk, did a vanilla install, and am now migrating the filesystems to the structure I want. What works: if I boot from the vanilla HDD, and have fstab remount / as coming from my new disks, it goes well. If I boot from the new disks, I get to putting in the LUKS password, and it hangs after that, "waiting for
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10:04<ajkroll][>port it over to alsa, OSS is pretty much on it's way out
10:04<cTATUK>why is it accessible in ubuntu like that, but not debian? :|
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10:05<cTATUK>and what can i do
10:05<ajkroll][>it's not reccomended to use OSS for new projects
10:05<cTATUK>i know, i know
10:05<cTATUK>but i still don't understand
10:05<ajkroll][>you got the OSS emu module insmodded?
10:05<cTATUK>debian obviously explicitly goes out of it's way to restrict this
10:05<bigtone>I've checked for typos, and I've done update-grub and update-initramfs -u
10:05<cTATUK>what's the modname?
10:06<ajkroll][>lsmod | grep oss
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10:06<ajkroll][>look for snd_pcm_oss
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10:07<ajkroll][>ok, what window manager is running?
10:07<cTATUK>plus this is critical for something else too
10:07<cTATUK>sound in quake 3
10:07<fxiny>bigtone: it hangs ? can't find root ?
10:08<cTATUK>and no don't tell me to 'just run ioq3' .. because that doesn't support punkbuster ;x heh
10:08<ajkroll][>if using KDE, I know you can tell it's sound manager to release sound for OSS within 1 second, and that usually is the "fix" for me
10:08<cTATUK>ajkroll][: ...gnome/metacity
10:08<ajkroll][>that should have a similar option someplace
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10:09<cTATUK>i don't have any special 'sound manager' running, though
10:09<bigtone>fxiny: it "hangs" - still responsive to ctrl-alt-del etc, so I assume it's waiting for root to become "available"
10:09<crazyb0y>is there a qmail help irc channel ?
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10:09<fxiny>bigtone: could it be initram ?
10:09<cTATUK>`gnome-sound-properties` option is 'Enable software sound mixing (ESD)' .. (disabled)
10:09<ajkroll][>got artsd running at all?
10:10<bigtone>fxiny: I did update-initramfs (before I did that, it didn't do the LUKS step)
10:10<cTATUK>nope not installed
10:10<fxiny>bigtone: initrd*
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10:10<ajkroll][>this is why ppl don't use OSS anymore ;-)
10:10<cTATUK>this works in ubuntu i don't get why it won't here
10:10<cTATUK>are you on lenny?
10:11<cTATUK>could you test it?
10:11<cTATUK>su -c "echo test > /dev/dsp"
10:11<ajkroll][>guessing what's eating /dev/dsp is anyone's guess sometimes. I have a few apps that crash, and I have to re modprobe sound to get a handle on them
10:11<fxiny>bigtone: i have an etch cloned full luks : i've made my initrd on the old etch and cp over to the luks one
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10:11<cTATUK>i think even if i try it on a fresh restart i get nothing
10:11<cTATUK>same error busy
10:11<cTATUK>so can you try, please?
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10:12<Aspin65>shit desktop guys, great server though
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10:12<cTATUK>it's a greate desktop too
10:12<eightyeight>solid desktop
10:12<Aspin65>icky here
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10:12<fxiny>bigtone: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot
10:12<Aspin65>problems with ati card etc
10:13<ajkroll][>I haven't a debian box here, but one server I have is, and the audio on that sometimes got totally wacked out, till I ripped out the debian default kernels and thier initrd cruft, and compiled my own.... the problem I had was no audio, period.
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10:13<cTATUK>i have audio
10:13<cTATUK>every single thing works
10:13<cTATUK>flash sound
10:13<cTATUK>audio players
10:13<cTATUK>except sound in quake 3
10:13<bigtone>fxiny: do not have that file
10:13<fxiny>bigtone: edit that like > target=lukspace,source=/dev/hdb2,key=none and then run update-initramfs -u
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10:14<cTATUK>and opening /dev/dsp in python directly heh
10:14<ajkroll][>does the user attemping use have permission to use /dev/dsp?
10:14<cTATUK>i dunno
10:14<fxiny>bigtone: my ext2 root partition is hdb2
10:14<cTATUK>but even running as root doesn't work
10:14<cTATUK>crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-09-26 12:25 /dev/dsp
10:14<bigtone>fxiny: ta, stand by
10:14<azeem>cTATUK: what does "lsof /dev/dsp" say?
10:14<Aspin65>if ubuntu and debain are opensource
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10:15<fxiny>bigtone: save your old initrd ;)
10:15<cTATUK>azeem: empty ..
10:15<ajkroll][>cTATUK: what audio card?
10:15<cTATUK>HDA Intel
10:15<Aspin65>why the fk does my ati card work in ubuntu and not in etch, , go nick some code, its opensource for heavens sake
10:15<cTATUK>Aspin65: no. it's not open source.
10:15<azeem>Aspin65: are you using the fglrx driver?
10:15<cTATUK>update your ati driver
10:15<eightyeight>Aspin65: ubuntu ships with proprietary drivers
10:16<Aspin65>well implement it in your pakaging
10:16<eightyeight>Aspin65: debian does not, unless you enable nonfree
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10:16<Aspin65>or die, you choose
10:16<bigtone>fxiny: not sure this is what I want. I don't have encrypted root. I have encrypted LVM (encryped PV actually)
10:16<Aspin65>people want a os that works
10:16<cTATUK>Aspin65: ubuntu wouldn't exist if it weren'd for debian
10:16<eightyeight>Aspin65: uhh... that's going to get you far
10:16<azeem>Aspin65: we chose freedom over proprietary, sorry
10:16<cTATUK>trust me, debian's not going to 'die' any time soon
10:16<cTATUK>... noob.
10:16<ajkroll][>I have no probs with my ATI, since I compiled and installed a legally questionable tarball ;-)
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10:16<azeem>Aspin65: feel free to use Ubuntu if you think it makes you happier
10:17<eightyeight>debian is the 2nd oldest still actively developed distro
10:17<cTATUK>ajkroll][: mind elaborating? :D
10:17<eightyeight>no company is powering it, yet it's in the top 10, sometimes top 5, on distrowatch
10:17<fxiny>bigtone: i have a full encrypted seystem except boot , your initrd must know where root is
10:17<cTATUK>eightyeight: ...assuming you don't count non-profit incs as companies ... (SPI Inc)
10:17<ajkroll][>eightyeight: I've been a slack user since before 1.0 (SLS) and a deb user for about uhmm.... geez, donno ;-) but I can say I can understand slack easier to this day still.
10:17<Aspin65>half the problem in the world :)
10:17<fxiny>bigtone: so if you mv around cloning make sure your initrd knows it
10:18<azeem>Aspin65: do you have another Debian question?
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10:18<ajkroll][>eightyeight: I've also done kernel dev since the 1.2/1.3 days
10:18<Aspin65>yes, are you an arab?
10:18<cTATUK>arabs aren't terrorists
10:18<azeem>Aspin65: that's off topic
10:18<cTATUK>muslims are ;p
10:18<Aspin65>who said they were
10:18<azeem>Aspin65: if you don't have any Debian question, please either leave or stay quiet
10:19<azeem>cTATUK: same for you
10:19<cTATUK>happen to be muslim?
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10:19<ajkroll][>cTATUK: no, incorrect, fundamentalist <insert silly religion name here> are terrists
10:19<bigtone>fxiny: yep, and I assume that update-initramfs is meant to catch all that. It catches the crypto part alright
10:19<ajkroll][>yes, terrists, not terrorists
10:19<ajkroll][>evil doers
10:19<azeem>ajkroll][: please keep it on topic
10:19<ajkroll][>ok ;-)
10:19<bigtone>fxiny: I assume maybe the LVM part isn't arcing up after crypt?
10:20<fxiny>bigtone: good , i'm sure there is something at
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10:20<cTATUK>with nuclaar weapunz?
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10:20<azeem>cTATUK: please keep it on topic
10:20<cTATUK>Debian has WMD!
10:20<azeem>cTATUK: please keep it on topic
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10:20<fxiny>bigtone: i mean . luks+lvm for sure
10:20*ajkroll][ whistles innocently
10:20<cTATUK>ajkroll][: so what's this special ati tarball?
10:20<Aspin65>I am a Jew btw :)
10:21<fxiny>bigtone: mine is different
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10:21<azeem>Aspin65: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
10:21<azeem>Aspin65: please be more signal and less noise in the future, thanks
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10:21<Harrison>Hello, I'm trying to install a RaLink RT61 wireless card. I'm trying to install this using the wireless driver---when I run "make" in the /Module directory I receive an error that says "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-powerpc/build: No such file or directory. Stop. rt61.ko failed to build!" Could someone please offer me some help with this?
10:21<ajkroll][>Aspin65: it's a possible problem because S3 owns the IP on it
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10:22<fxiny>azeem: when you silence someone , does it get that message from you ?
10:22<azeem>fxiny: what message?
10:22<fxiny>azeem: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
10:22<azeem>well sure, they can still read, no?
10:22<azeem>until they lave
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10:22<fxiny>ahhh yes
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10:24<bigtone>fxiny: am there, thanks. But it doesn't the LVM over LUKS bit. It's doing LUKS over LVM
10:24<fxiny>yes ? long time
10:25<fxiny>and i do not use luks+lvm
10:25<ajkroll][>Aspin65: google knows all, ofcourse, so google for libtxc_dxtn, there's a page that has a tarball for it, compile, install, use open drivers and the ATI is happy, enjoy :-)
10:25<gsimmons>Harrison: rt2x00 drivers (eg. rt61pci) are included in the mainline kernel since 2.6.24. There shouldn't be any requirement for your compilation, just install the necessary Ralink firmware.
10:25<bigtone>fxiny: thanks for the help though
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10:26<fxiny>bigtone: np
10:26<Stuckey>Hello. I'm trying to install a wireless card. Could anyone offer me some help?
10:26<ajkroll][>Stuckey: which one?
10:26<gsimmons>Stuckey: What device do you have?
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10:27<ajkroll][>that reminds me, I need to get going on my crash box to do some more WiFi kernel tests, I got a card that keeps going loonie after several GB of data
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10:28<ajkroll][>lovely noice
10:28<ajkroll][>ermmm noise
10:28<ajkroll][>part of a botnet?
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10:28<jhstucke>Hello. I'm trying to install a wireless card. Could someone offer me some help?
10:30<ajkroll][>anyway, thanx for the info, etc, I got important work to do, ttfn, I may be around again at some point.
10:30*ajkroll][ evapourates
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10:31<gsimmons>jhstucke: You'll need to tell us about the device you're attempting to configure (eg. brand/model).
10:31<suiside>jhstucke: you have to be more specific if you want help, rephrasing instead of repeating will get you more responses
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10:32<stuke>I'm trying to install a wireless card ... Could anyone offer me some help?
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10:33<azeem>16:28 < gsimmons> jhstucke: You'll need to tell us about the device you're attempting to configure (eg. brand/model).
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10:36<stuke>azeem It's a RT61
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10:45<Harrison>Hello. I'm trying to get a Dlinnk G630 wireless card working... Could someone offer me some help?
10:45<Harrison>I've installed the driver but iwlist scan says that it doesn't support scanning. Whyis that?
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10:47<Harrison>No one????
10:48<gsimmons>Harrison: Activate the interface (eg. ifconfig wlan0 up), then try again.
10:48<Harrison>gsimmons "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory"
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10:51<gsimmons>Harrison: You're likely missing device firmware.
10:51<gsimmons>!ralink firmware
10:51<dpkg>Firmware is required for the rt61pci and rt73usb drivers from the <rt2x00> project. Install the <non-free> 'firmware-ralink' package (etch-backports, lenny) or manually acquire from, unextract and transfer the *.bin file(s) to /lib/firmware.
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10:51<Harrison>What does that mean?
10:51<Harrison>It's an RT61
10:51<Harrison>I downloaded the rt2500-source with apt-get
10:51<Harrison>then used module assistant to install it.
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10:52<Harrison>gsimmons E: Couldn't find package firmware-ralink
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10:53<gsimmons>Harrison: What Debian version are you using? Also note that 'rt2500-source' isn't applicable for your RT61-based device.
10:53<azeem>Harrison: do you have non-free active
10:54<Harrison>What's rt2500 for?
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10:54<Harrison>It's listed on their site as being for the rt61.
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10:55<Harrison>How do I uninstall this rt2500 then?
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10:55<Harrison>Okay I have ran apt-get install firmware-ralink
10:56<Harrison>now how do I unextract and transfer the *.bin file(s) to /lib/firmware .... ???
10:56<gsimmons>Harrison: If you've installed that package, it's already done for you.
10:56<Harrison>Okay so how do I use my card now?
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10:59<Harrison>Do I need to restart networking?????
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11:08<Harrison>Hello. I'm trying to get a RT61 wireless card working. Could anyone offer me some help?
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11:09<cahoot> - was recommended for another rt61 victim
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11:09<erKURITA>I managed to get my RT8187 with the 2.6.27 kernel
11:10<erKURITA>but it's a bit sluggish
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11:10<Harrison>How come it is so difficult to get this card to work. I mean, after all, ralink has made this driver open-source.
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11:12<Harrison>No one have any ideas???
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11:12<azeem>Harrison: how did you install the driver?
11:12<sajes>Harrison: What was your question? I just joined.
11:12<Harrison>Isn't the firmware for this card available in the non-free debian repository?
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11:12<azeem>Harrison: didn't you say you just installed it?
11:13<Harrison>I installed the firmware from the repository
11:13<azeem>16:53 < Harrison> Okay I have ran apt-get install firmware-ralink
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11:13<Harrison>Yes I ran that command.
11:13<azeem>Harrison: so what is your question about?
11:13<Harrison>Now what do I do?
11:13<azeem>rerun iwconfig?
11:13<Harrison>how do I know which one the card is?
11:14<azeem>which one of what?
11:14<Harrison>I have wlan0, wlan1, wmaster1 and wmaster0, and lo, and eth0
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11:14<Harrison>i'm using wlan0 right now.
11:14<azeem>Harrison: 17:10 < azeem> Harrison: how did you install the driver?
11:14<erKURITA>sajes <Harrison> Hello. I'm trying to get a RT61 wireless card working. Could anyone offer me some help? <=
11:14<Harrison>Yes that's the right card.
11:14<sajes>erKURITA: Thanks. :o
11:14<azeem>17:11 < azeem> Harrison: 17:10 < azeem> Harrison: how did you install the driver?
11:14<Harrison>I installed the driver using apt-get install ... firmware something.
11:15<azeem>that's the firmware
11:15<azeem>that's not the driver
11:15<Harrison>oh so there's something else I need to do now?
11:15<azeem>Harrison: I was asking whether you did
11:15<azeem>16:43 < Harrison> I've installed the driver but iwlist scan says that it doesn't support scanning. Whyis that?
11:15<Harrison>Yes I ran that apt-get command.
11:15<Harrison>Yes... it says wlan1 doesn't support scanning.
11:15<Harrison>And there's also no lights showing up on the card.
11:15<azeem>Harrison: ar your kidding me
11:16<Harrison>No dead serious.
11:16<Harrison>I'll post the output if you want.
11:16<azeem>16:19 < Harrison> Hello, I'm trying to install a RaLink RT61 wireless card. I'm trying to install this using the wireless driver---when I run "make" in the /Module directory I receive an error that says "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-powerpc/build: No such file or directory. Stop. rt61.ko failed to build!" Could someone please offer me some help with this?
11:16<azeem>can you please explain how this goes with "I did not install any driver"
11:16<Harrison>I'm sorry you're confusing me.
11:16<azeem>was that another Harrison?
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11:17<Harrison>I ran the apt-get install command like someone told me to, and then I restarted the computer to see if the card would work... but I don't see any lights on the card
11:17<gsimmons>azeem: I'm assuming Harrison is using the rt61pci driver provided within 2.6.25.
11:17<azeem>Harrison: ok, so you never ran anything that Harrison guy above said?
11:17<gsimmons>Harrison: You need to activate wlan1 first (in order to enable the radio), before you can scan using iwlist.
11:18<Harrison>Yeah I tried that exact same thing but I couldn't get it to work either
11:18<azeem>Harrison: so how did you install the driver
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11:18<Harrison>with the apt-get install command
11:19<azeem>after all, you said
11:19<Harrison>firmware something
11:19<azeem>17:12 < azeem> 16:43 < Harrison> I've installed the driver[...]
11:19<azeem>you said that before people told you to install ralink-firmware
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11:19<Harrison>I apt-get install firmware-* was the driver.
11:19<azeem>16:48 < gsimmons> Harrison: You're likely missing device firmware.
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11:19<azeem>Harrison: 17:12 < azeem> that's the firmware
11:19<azeem>17:12 < azeem> that's not the driver
11:19<Harrison>Okay... So where do I go from here?
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11:20<azeem>Harrison: how about you answer questions correctly?
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11:20<Harrison>What do you need to know
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11:20<azeem>Harrison: whether you installed anything from
11:20<Harrison>I tried to but it wouldn't work
11:20<azeem>!doesn't work
11:20<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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11:21<Harrison>I'll have to run it again so that I can see what the error message was exactly... .One moment.
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11:21<crim>can anyone help me?
11:21<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
11:22<crim>im trying to add my ip addresses to ifconfig
11:22<Harrison>azeem, It says "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-powerpc/build: No such file or directory. Stop. rt61.ko failed to build!"
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11:22<crim>so i changed /etc/network/interfaces
11:22<crim>but they doesnt show up in ifconfig, have i configured something wrong?
11:22<azeem>Harrison: ko
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11:25<Harrison>crim, What precisely are you trying to do?
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11:26<crim>make my ip addresses show up in ifconfig
11:27<fxiny>it does
11:27<ROMESDS>does anyone know what I can use to create a 100% secure sandbox for an application to run in? i want to compile sourcecode, run the application and validate the output, all in a sandbox.
11:28<Torsten_W>ROMESDS: use a vm
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11:28<Harrison>azeem, So where do I go from here?
11:28<amphi>Harrison: do you have the kernel headers package for your kernel installed?
11:28<Harrison>I believe so...
11:28<ROMESDS>i need to compile a lot of applications. wont it be slow to create a new vm every time?
11:28<Harrison>How would I determine if I did?
11:29<crim>fxiny: no they are not
11:29<Harrison>amphi, Note that I'm only trying to get a RT61 wireless card running.
11:29<fxiny>ROMESDS: a vserver ?
11:29<crim>only 1 ip address is showing up and that one is not added to interfaces
11:29<amphi>Harrison: you need the kernel headers installed to build a module
11:30<Harrison>How do I tell if I have them installed or not? (amphi)
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11:30<amphi>try to install the package? ;)
11:30<Harrison>It says its allready newest
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11:30<azeem>Harrison: what does "lspci | grep rt61pci" say?
11:30<panagos>ROMESDS: what do you mean by 100% secure? wouldn't it be enough to create a new user with as little privileges as possible?
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11:31<Harrison>azeem, absolutely nothing.
11:31<ROMESDS>fxiny, thanks. will look into it
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11:31<azeem>Harrison: and "lspci | grep rt"?
11:31<azeem>Harrison: does "lspci" as is work?
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11:31<ROMESDS>panagos, it might. it need to be able to compile and run applications though
11:32<Harrison>It returns a bunch of apple computer host bridge stuff...
11:32<Harrison>but lspci | grep RT returns, 0001:11:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g
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11:32<azeem>Harrison: uh, sorry
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11:32<azeem>Harrison: what does "lsmod | grep rt61pci" say?
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11:33<panagos>ROMESDS: what do you mean by 100% secure? wouldn't it be enough to create a new user with as little privileges as possible?
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11:34<azeem>Harrison: ok, so the driver is loaded
11:34<ROMESDS>panagos, i dont know. what i need to do is automatically compile and run sourcecode without knowing what kind of code it is. that could possibly be very dangerous
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11:35<ROMESDS>will a low privilegies user be enough or do i need to create a new vm , compile and run the code and then destroy the vm
11:36<panagos>ROMESDS: you might want to use a chroot... otherwise, you can use one vm for all your work, rather that creating a new one for each job
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11:37<panagos>ROMESDS: a new user normally has no write access except for their /home directory
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11:39<Harrison>azeem, Okay so where do I go from here?
11:39<ROMESDS>i have to think about it a bit and read into in some more. im going to create an automatic codevalidator for a univeristy to use to validate the students "homework"
11:39<azeem>Harrison: I don't know
11:39<azeem>Harrison: maybe try to find some information on your Mac and how to use the wlan on Linux on the net
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11:40<azeem>Harrison: you said iwlist wlan0 scan and iwlist wlan1 scan do not work, right?
11:40<Harrison>iwlist scan works with wlan0
11:40<Harrison>but that's not this rt61 card... that's another card.
11:41<azeem>is this a notebook?
11:41<Harrison>Yes... the rt61 card is a dlink pcmica card
11:41<fxiny>ROMESDS: do you just want to sandbox a user ?
11:41<Harrison>But the notebook already had a working boradcom card...
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11:42<Harrison>I'm trying to use this rt61 card because I'm hoping it will give better performance.
11:42<panagos>ROMESDS: aptitude search '~dchroot' will return a bunch of chroot utilities
11:42<gsimmons>Harrison: Again, you need to activate the interface (eg. ifconfig wlan1 up) prior to using iwlist's scan parameter.
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11:43<Harrison>gsimmons... Thanks. That worked...
11:43<Harrison>gsimmons, I ran that command before restarting this computer... how come it didn't work before restarting but works now?
11:43<fxiny>i have a vserver with a guest user on mysecureshell
11:43<ROMESDS>fxiny, yes. i think that will be enough
11:43<fxiny>can't see better then that
11:44<fxiny>ROMESDS: look at this :
11:44<fxiny>that's first on my todo list
11:44<gsimmons>Harrison: Because you haven't configured wlan1 to be raised at system start, such as by configuring /etc/network/interfaces with the necessary instruction.
11:44<Harrison>So now it's good to go?
11:45<gsimmons>Harrison: You can scan, can't you? :)
11:45<Harrison>Oh I need to edit that file
11:45<Harrison>so that it works at start up?
11:45<fxiny>not checked yet but i've alse played with pam_tally so i'm on a pam mood
11:46<fxiny>i have the feeling i'm overlooking pam
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11:46<fxiny>pam:tally works fine in etch , google is full of phoetora crap . well etch does it very well
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11:48<fxiny>that is interestung : it mixes pam_mount , tmpfs and unionfs , looks nice
11:48<ROMESDS>fxiny, that is a very interesting article, thanks
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11:49<gsimmons>Harrison: See /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian and the interfaces(5) man page. Use the existing configuration for wlan0 as a reference. "/msg dpkg WPA" (in your IRC client, without quotes) if you intend to connect to a WPA network.
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11:49<Harrison>I've got it up and running now gsimmons, thanks.
11:49<fxiny>ROMESDS: it is , as i said i certainly overlook pam and tmpfs for sure . dunno about unionfs
11:49<Harrison>Question though... Should I disable one of these wireless connections or no?
11:49<Harrison>What will happen if I'm trying to use two at the same time?
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11:52<azeem>Harrison: use how?
11:52<azeem>Harrison: only one can have the default rout
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12:33<MadHag>azeem, sorry if I was obnoxious earlier
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12:47<williams>tudo bem
12:47<williams>vc e do BRasil
12:47<torrr>how can i see rc bugs only for i386?
12:47<williams>do not speak inglish
12:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:48<MadHag>my spanish is wirse than your english
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12:50<dpkg>from memory, en is english
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12:52<williams>+i williams
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12:55<Zorro>Is there a way to have gnome use sudo for privelage granting instead of su? I'd like a couple users to have the privelage of installing software without sharing the root password (who wants to remember over 9000 passwords?).
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12:56<cahoot>isn't sudo already installed?
12:56<Zorro>yes, I use it on the commandline
12:56<cahoot>and gksudo ?
12:57<cahoot>( I probably miss the point of your question)
12:59<Zorro>to enter certain dialogs in gnome, you need to assume admin privelages. It asks for the root password. I'd rather have it ask for the user password and operate using sudo instead.
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13:01<cahoot>Zorro: looks to me that's what gksudo offers
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13:03<Zorro>I searched synaptic and didn't see it
13:04<cahoot>Zorro: this on debian?
13:05<MadHag>same package manager
13:05<Zorro>ahh, I guess it came as a part of gksu since it is installed
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13:39<ADO>how can i install all required and important packages and remove everything else?
13:40<ADO>to get a sensible base system (the install I was given had at least X, apache and a mailserver installed which all seems like overkill)
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13:43<abrotman>ADO: you can use something like aptitude install "~pimportant"
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13:54<ADO>is there a reference somewhere that would explain that?
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13:55<prolix>ADO: did you do the install yourself?
13:56<ADO>nope, its a vps
13:59<fxiny>ADO: lenny or etch ?
13:59<ADO>4, so that would be etch i think
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14:04<ADO>whats dangerous?
14:04<prolix>bullets and rattlesnakes
14:04<ADO>i've done a 'aptitude --schedule-only markauto "~i"'
14:05<prolix>which packages did you ask to keep?
14:05<ADO>and then a 'aptitude --schedule-only install "~pimportant"'
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14:05<ADO>and a 'aptitude --schedule-only install "~prequired"'
14:05<ADO>and 'aptitude --sechdule-only install openssh-server'
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14:06<ADO>i think that should be ok shouldn't it?
14:06<fxiny>ADO: apache is not part of base . this is my list , etch base upgrade to lenny .
14:06<abrotman>ADO: the aptitude manual
14:06<kdas>aptitude = debian god
14:06<aptitude>kdas: i haven't a clue
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14:07<ADO>ok, thanks guys, i think what i have is reasonable now
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14:08<fxiny>dpkg rulez
14:08<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
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14:11<kdas>I have been trying to get xterm to change its fontsize.. so i did the change and put it into .Xdefaults but everytime i reboot .Xdefaults dosent reapply it self or something, any idea?
14:12<fxiny>bash alias ?
14:12<blue>im getting: "E: Build-dependencies for php5 could not be satisfied.", when trying to compile php5 with "apt-get build-dep php5" on lenny. Any ideas what could be wrong?
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14:12<kdas>fxiny, i did that initially but someone told me to do it through .Xdefaults
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14:14<enouf>kdas: .xinitrc if no DM, .xsession if using a DM
14:14<head4>please i can not find on web detailed list of each task which is in debian installator
14:15<fxiny>kdas: i know that but you can do without ~/.Xdefaults but not without ~/.bashrc
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14:15<fxiny>enouf: you awake ?
14:16<kdas>enouf is always awake he just is silent sometimes... don't you know? hes a super human!
14:16<fxiny>he sleeps a lot
14:16<kdas>super humans don't sleep!!! they just rest hahaha
14:17<head4>did u see it anybody?
14:17<enouf>fxiny: not really
14:17<fxiny>enouf: ;)
14:18<enouf>head4: i told you
14:18<fxiny>kdas: why not using crafty mrxvt ?
14:18<kdas>enouf, oddly enough i don't have a .xinitrc .... off to the man pages!!!
14:18<fxiny>my preferred
14:18<kdas>fxiny, i heard xterm is kick ass lol
14:19<fxiny>kdas: xterm is too basic
14:19<enouf>$ tasksel --list-tasks | awk '{ print$2 }' | xargs
14:19<enouf>desktop web-server print-server dns-server file-server mail-server laptop manual
14:20<chealer>blue: try to install them one by one or group by group
14:20<kdas>fxiny, i need to create a site that people (geeks) can put up their favorite programs and people can vote on them and review them
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14:20<enouf>$ tasksel --task-packages file-server | xargs
14:20<enouf>smbfs netatalk smbclient swat samba-doc winbind nfs-kernel-server samba smartmontools
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14:21*enouf smacks head4 with 3 marshmallows
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14:21<kdas>someone quick!! enouf is going koo kooo
14:22<enouf>head4: FILES
14:22<enouf> /usr/share/tasksel/*.desc and /usr/local/share/tasksel/*.desc are used to define tasks.
14:22<daemon>hey guys
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14:22*kdas pulls enouf away from the windoze box and puts him on linux again
14:22<daemon>i mangled /var up, what file or files
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14:22<daemon>keep the package database of what I have installed
14:22<kdas>daemon, which daemon are you ?
14:22<daemon>so I can reformat /var and restore my pkg db afterwards
14:22<TRD>??????? ?????
14:22<daemon>kdas, beasie 8)
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14:22<daemon>beastie 8) even
14:22*enouf goes to rest his eyes for a bit
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14:23<kdas>enouf, nighty night
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14:24*fxiny sends enouf an ipnotist watch
14:24<kdas>fxiny, mrxvt takes 2 whole packages!!
14:25<fxiny>kdas: same for xterm
14:25<fxiny>seen ?
14:25<fxiny>i know it
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14:27<kdas>fxiny, aptitude looks ugly in mrxvt. were do you apply settings for mrxvt
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14:27<fxiny>kdas: blame uft8
14:28<fxiny>kdas: mrxvt dont support utf8
14:28*kdas blames uft8!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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14:28<head4>enouf: yes you tell me but in tasksell are not tasks fom install
14:29<daemon>anyone able to give me a few tips on the minimal I need to save from /var as to safely move it...
14:29<fxiny>kdas: or run aptitude mc and the lot like : LC_ALL= C aptitude , an alias is still an option
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14:30<kdas>fxiny, mrxvt hella cool but... not able to do its job
14:30<fxiny>kdas: needs a decent conf
14:31<fxiny>kdas: wc -l .mrxvtrc > 88 .mrxvtrc ;)
14:31<kdas>fxiny, needs utf8
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14:33<fxiny>kdas: there is only one term supporting utf8 , trying to remember
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14:34<kdas>fxiny, xterm :D
14:34<fxiny>no no
14:34<fxiny>another one
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14:34<kdas>fxiny, aterm ?
14:35<kdas>fxiny, i am pretty sure aterm supports utf8 if xterm does
14:35<kdas>i will be back!
14:36<fxiny>i keep my multitabbed mrxvt
14:37<kdas>fxiny, ;) i will join you one day
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14:37<amphi>fxiny: does it let you have the tabs vertically down the side? it didn't when I last used it
14:37<kdas>amphi, what do you use ?
14:38<amphi>kdas: xfce4-term ATM, for that reason
14:38<kdas>amphi, oh you one of those guys haha
14:38<kdas>ok i will be back in 20-30mins
14:38<amphi>kdas: those?
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14:39<kdas>amphi, xfce4 people (its a joke)
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14:39<amphi>Oh, no, I don't use xfce ;)
14:39<fxiny>amphi: don't think so : i keep tabs on top and scroll bar on left side
14:39<amphi>I have tabs on the left, and no scrollbar
14:40<fxiny>amphi: new version can run commands on tabs event
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14:40<amphi>I got used to tabs on the side, and now having them along the top is quite intolerable ;)
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14:40<fxiny>amphi: how many ?
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14:41<fxiny>i use 9 all the time
14:41<fxiny>screen takes care of three more
14:41<amphi>fxiny: 8 ATM; half of them have screen sessions in 'em
14:41<fxiny>amphi: heheheeh
14:42<fxiny>amphi: i've checked last version , a couple of minutes , did not have time to set ip up properly
14:43<fxiny>amphi: this oine i'm using is compiled
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14:43<fxiny>because etch mrxvt version has limits . lenny is fine
14:44<fxiny>mxxvt can beat any konsole-gnome-term
14:44<amphi>does it do utf8?
14:45<fxiny>konsole is good , gnome still sluggish on a slow box
14:45<amphi>it didn't last time I used it
14:45<fxiny>amphi: no utf8
14:45<fxiny>amphi: can't rememeer what support utf8 : something with urx ?
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14:57<pur3>hi all
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14:59<sandeep>Hi, is there any debian based live cd available which automatically detect the netwok card and start ssh server on booting?
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15:26<petethepirate>Debian testing apache2 php5 when I try to open a php page, my browser tries to download it, it says Type: application/x-httpd-php anyone know why it would do this?
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15:27<parecen>petethepirate: check your apache config and make sure the apptype for *.php is enabled
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15:28<petethepirate>parecen yup.
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15:28<parecen>petethepirate: and mod-php5 is installed also?
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15:29<petethepirate>parecen yup.
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15:29<petethepirate>parecen did and apt-get said it could find mod-php5, you talking about something else?
15:29<parecen>petethepirate: i am talking about libapache2-mod-php5
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15:30<petethepirate>parecen yeah, thats installed.
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15:32<parecen>petethepirate: when you type "a2enmod php5" what does it return?
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15:32<petethepirate>parecen module php5 already installed.
15:33<petethepirate>parecen err s/installed/enabled
15:33<parecen>petethepirate: does it change anything when you "force reload" the page in your browser?
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15:33<petethepirate>parecen force reload? Im using konqueror, I have iceweasel if needed, but I have cache turned off.
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15:34<parecen>let me see if there is a known problem
15:35<petethepirate>parecen k
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15:36<chealer>!php wants me to download still
15:36<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at (Apache 1.x).
15:37<parecen>petethepirate: do you have suPHP or something like that installed, is the file executable?
15:37<parecen>ah, nice factoid :)
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15:37<chealer>petethepirate: does the problem persist after restarting apache?
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15:37<petethepirate>chealer yes
15:38<petethepirate>parecen suPHP never heard of it.
15:38<petethepirate>Let me read the README before we go any further.
15:38<topsoil>I am using ProxyPass/ProxyPassReverse on my domain, under apache2, to redirect some virtualhosts to apache-perl instead. I have the vhosts configured as follows:
15:38<topsoil>ProxyPass /
15:38<topsoil>ProxyPassreverse /
15:38<topsoil>However, When I try and access (a directory) which should redirect to it redirects to instead. What am I doing wrong?
15:38<chealer>petethepirate: does the problem persist after all that and trying with another browser or clearing your cache?
15:39<petethepirate>chealer yes it still persists.
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15:42<petethepirate>Ok nothing in the readme that addressed this.
15:44<chealer>petethepirate: please provide your Apache log
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15:44<petethepirate>In the apache readme it says I need sym link to the load file, but the load file is already there, this has me confused.
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15:47<r2k>er... have problem with debian, no audio
15:47<r2k>new to linux and out of ideas
15:47<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on
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15:49<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
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15:49<jackyf>r2k: don't swap letters in queries :)
15:49<jackyf>!alsa install
15:49<dpkg>"apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>. After its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, ask me about <devdsp>. You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications.
15:50<r2k>alsa base seems to be installed
15:50<jackyf>r2k: what Debian are you using?
15:50<r2k>um... just went and got newest amd64 release
15:50<qq->lenny ?
15:51<jackyf>r2k: have you run 'alsaconf' ?
15:51*sajes watches as r2k's head explodes.
15:51<r2k>just did
15:51<sajes>r2k: cat /etc/issue , that'll tell you the release version.
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15:52<jackyf>r2k: what's the result?
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15:52<r2k>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
15:53<r2k>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
15:53<sajes>r2k: That's etch.
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15:53<r2k>if you say so
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15:53<r2k>No supported PnP or PCI card found.
15:54<r2k>do have an integrated sound card
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15:54<r2k>Probing legacy ISA cards might make your system unstable
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15:54<r2k>y/n ?
15:54<pulsewave>sauvin: i did change it cause i was getting an error durring boot that said it couldn't be written to, now it says it can't be locked "/usr/bin/X11/xauth: error in locking authority file /home/mobiadmin/.Xauthority" (this happens right when i login)
15:55<Torsten_W>integrated sound is never isa
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15:55<Torsten_W>r2k: which audio chip u have on your mainboard?
15:55<r2k>realtek smthsmth
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15:56<Torsten_W>r2k: install the etchnhalf-kernel, alsa in 2.6.18 is to old fpr your soundchip, i think
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15:57<qq->r2k: lspci |grep Audio
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15:58<r2k>00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
15:58<Torsten_W>for this u need a newer alsa
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15:59<r2k>i see
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15:59<r2k>install the etchnhalf-kernel <-- how?
15:59<Torsten_W>with apt-get
16:00<petethepirate>Progress! When I change .phps to .php in extensions it nowloads the page, but shows the content rather than the php output. Any ideas why?
16:01<r2k>apt-get update
16:01<r2k>apt-get upgrade
16:02<Torsten_W>apt-get update && apt-get install foo
16:02<r2k>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
16:03<r2k>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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16:03<jackyf>r2k: close every other apts
16:03<jackyf>and package managesr
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16:03<r2k>irc can stay open i hope
16:03<r2k>ok better
16:04<r2k>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
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16:07<r2k>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
16:07<r2k>still the same debian version
16:07<r2k>something went wrong?
16:08<qq->heh 4.0 is not the latest etch
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16:08<r2k>apt-get update
16:08<barnes>r2k tried dist-upgrade?
16:08<r2k>apt-get install
16:08<r2k>will now
16:09<Torsten_W>what are you doing?
16:09<r2k>command not found?
16:09<r2k><barnes> r2k tried dist-upgrade?
16:09<Torsten_W>a dist-upgrade will not install the etchnhalf kernel
16:10<r2k>what would
16:10<qq->r2k: uname -a
16:10<Torsten_W>apt-get install linux-image-blablubb
16:11<qq->r2k: uname -a
16:11<Torsten_W>r2k: search for the kernel, you want
16:11<Torsten_W>qq-: 2.6.18
16:11<qq->amd64 ?
16:11<Torsten_W>qq-: it's an normal etch-install
16:11<qq-> linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
16:12<r2k>E: Couldn't find package linux-image-blablubb
16:12<Torsten_W>r2k: have u ever read any docu?
16:12<qq->stupid boy
16:12<r2k>yeah, ok i fail at smth
16:12<r2k>not sure at what exactly
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16:13<r2k>new to linux i must say
16:13<r2k>2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 16 22:30:01 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:13<r2k>from uname -a
16:14<qq->i just give you the name of the kernel , read above
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16:16<r2k>hmmzzz.... what and thats it?
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16:16<prolix>debian rules
16:16<r2k>um... still needs a restart or smth?
16:17<qq->all done ?
16:17<r2k>fast connection
16:17<kdas>dpkg rulez
16:17<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
16:17<r2k>Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
16:17<prolix>aptitude rules
16:17<aptitude>hmm... rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.
16:18<r2k>read the docs
16:18<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
16:19<prolix>r2k: that wasn't meant for you, pardon. that was my mistake
16:19<r2k>anyway, i need to restart for the kernel upgrade to take effect?
16:19<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
16:20<prolix>r2k: yes. it'll be an option in grub
16:20<parecen>like bwahahaha sounded better than AOL :(
16:20<r2k>be back soon
16:20<kdas>r2k, if you don't know that you should not be upgrading your kernel. There is tons of beautiful manuals and guides
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16:20<kdas>There are*
16:20<parecen>kdas: dont tell newbies such silly things like "you should not"
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16:21<r2k>ive just heard that there are ways to upgrade linux kernel wo restart
16:21<r2k>failing is the best way to learn in my experience
16:21<kdas>parecen, i am just repeating tradition
16:21<r2k>k restart
16:21<prolix>the only way to learn is to do. i think some chinese guy said that
16:21<parecen>and that tradition is made up by grumpy nerds who gave a rats arse on users
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16:22<kdas>parecen, your right
16:22*kdas looks down
16:22<parecen>if you want to scare more users away to Ubuntu go ahead
16:22<ttlanhil>Hi... I wonder if anyone can help, I tried to google, but not sure what terms to use. I have some executable files, which won't run. I can read them fine, but when I try to run them, it comes up missing (according to strace, the execve at the start gets a ENOENT)... Does anyone have suggestions where to look?
16:22<prolix>ubuntu is a nightmare
16:22<prolix>night terror
16:22<prolix>day, afternoon and evening, too
16:22<kdas>ubuntu = linux and vistas baby
16:23<abrotman>if you wan tto talk about ubuntu .. try #ubuntu
16:24<parecen>abrotman: was that a nerdy tone or an understanding one?
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16:24<abrotman>that was a "try not to be offtopic"
16:24<r2k>ok kernel upgrade done
16:24<prolix>sounded more authoratative than a suggestion
16:25<kdas>parecen, don't play with abrotman he is serious! and helpful ;)
16:25<parecen>like "you scare more people away to ubuntu" was off-topic
16:25*prolix oogles abrotman's e-muscles
16:26<prolix>ttlanhil: when you say executable, do you mean .exe?
16:26<parecen>i think people know exactly what i am saying. about emuscles i dont care
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16:26<r2k>umm.... alsaconf.... what was it
16:27<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on
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16:27<abrotman>did you install alsa-utils ?
16:27<ttlanhil>prolix: nope, it's a valid ELF, because I've run it before without problems (last time was about a week ago)
16:27<kdas>parecen, what virtual terminal do you use ? i am using xterm and having a problem with making xterm retain its font size. enouf was kind enough to tell me xinitrc, but...
16:27<r2k>um... no
16:27<parecen>kdas: but?
16:27<r2k>will now apparently
16:28<kdas>parecen, i was wondering what you use, and also wondering if there is another way?
16:28<parecen>kdas: in most cases i use plain and simple gnome-terminal
16:28<r2k>yah alsa-utils installed
16:28<kdas>parecen, oh, i use openbox ;)
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16:29<parecen>kdas: i think i used openbox for about 3 hours in my entire linux life
16:29<parecen>kdas: the new hype amoung window managers seems to be "awesome" these days
16:29<kdas>parecen, haha, ok well then i better get back to xinitrc manual
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16:30<Lethalman>awesome is doing very very good in popcon
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16:30<prolix>ttlanhil: huh.
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16:31<panagos>i installed virtualbox, but /dev/vboxdrv shows up in group root, rather than group vboxusers, how can i fix that?
16:31<r2k>anyway the sound still doesnt seem to work for some reason
16:32<simonrvn>chgrp it ...
16:32<simonrvn>add a local rule for vboxdrv in udev
16:32<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
16:33<r2k>ok will do
16:33<parecen>long list, but make sure you go through it step by step
16:33<kdas>r2k, make sure you toy with alsamixer
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16:34<kdas>yo, yo
16:34<r2k>oh fancy it found my sound card
16:34<panagos>simonrvn: there already was such a rule, i eventually did a udev reload :) though a chown could fix it, but not permanently
16:35<simonrvn>ok, cool
16:35<simonrvn>(i know; udev would just re-do it as root:root next time)
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16:37<r2k>yay ty, my sound is working now
16:37<ttlanhil>well, looks like it's a 32bit/64bit issue, so off to work on that, toodles
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16:47<Blueeyez>hey all debian users i got a problem with DVD 4 im at this time burning them out as iso disc but disc 4 keep failing is it possible to extract the iso and burn it as data disc?
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16:48<sajes>Blueeyez: Why did you download 4 DVDs?
16:49<Blueeyez>i downloaded debian tru torrent
16:50<erKURITA>Blueeyez you're conscious that all but the first dvd are merely package discs, right?
16:50<Blueeyez>eh,:S please be more detailed, im danish:I
16:51<sajes>Blueeyez: You downloaded 12 gigabytes of data that you didn't have to.
16:51<erKURITA>the first dvd is the installation dvd, so-to-speak
16:51<erKURITA>the rest are just packages
16:51<erKURITA>it's meant for people who has no direct access to internet
16:51<Blueeyez>oh:I damn i feel stupid:(
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16:51<Blueeyez>well dvds is faster then my internet
16:52<prolix>the package dvds exist for a reason
16:52<erKURITA>I once had to download the testing repository for my class
16:52<erKURITA>so yeah
16:52<erKURITA>for x86, that is
16:53<kdas>parecen, i have a question, i changed my runlevel to 5 but it does not automatically statx. I have no x session managers. ideas?
16:53<kdas>erKURITA, the whole thing ?
16:53<panagos>i'm running virtualbox, but networking doesn't work! i start the virtualbox-ose initscript, which is supposed to bring networking up, but i don't have access to the net from inside the vm! no pings, etc
16:53<erKURITA>kdas yup, the whole testing repository for x86
16:54<kdas>erKURITA, damn! how long did it take ?
16:54<parecen>kdas: you could put a start script in /etc/init.d and link to it from your runlevel
16:54<erKURITA>several days, since it was a 3 Mbps line
16:55<kdas>parecen, away i goto the manuals!! hahaha
16:55<Blueeyez>well i used 4 MBs line so about 2 hours pr iso but onlu because of there was other people downloading it
16:55<parecen>kdas: not much manuals required, except /etc/init.d/README maybe
16:55<kdas>erKURITA, i have a cable connection 6mbs, so that should take me what 4days ? haha
16:55<kdas>parecen, cool thanks
16:55<Blueeyez>to downlaod it all? omg i used like 12 hours
16:56<erKURITA>remember: it was in class. That means there were other students browsing / torrenting. Aside from the occasional "Teacher: why is this on? *powers off*"
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16:57<Blueeyez>oh;) well though u was alone on the net:I
16:57*kdas wonders how big the whole testing repo is?
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16:58<sajes>kdas: Download it and find out. ;)
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16:58<kdas>sajes, i am not that curious
16:59<Grod>Hi guys:) I need to install Debian on a Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700.. what architecture should i choose?? (it will have more than 3Gb Ram)
16:59<sajes>kdas: Bummer. I was curious too, but I'm not doing it. Slow internet connection on my end.
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16:59<kdas>sajes, HAHA
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16:59<kdas>erKURITA, how big was the whole repo ?
17:00<erKURITA>16 GB, I think
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17:00<jackyf>Grod: probably, amd64
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17:00<kdas>debian is so sexy
17:00<prolix>aptitude bigmem
17:00<aptitude>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit.
17:01<erKURITA>Grod ia64
17:01<erKURITA>jackyf nope
17:01<avu>erKURITA, you're wrong.
17:01<jackyf>kdas: it has libsexy2 library, so yes
17:01<avu>ia64 is a completly different architecture
17:01<Grod>i thought of ia64 too.. but not sure
17:01<avu>Grod, you want either i386 or amd64
17:01<erKURITA>I forgot it was for itaniums
17:02<Grod>i thought IA64 = Intel architecture 64 :p
17:02<avu>Grod, well, itanium is from intel, yes.. :)
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17:02<Grod>should i try amd64 first then maybe?
17:02<jackyf>Grod: probably yes
17:03<kdas>jackyf, damnit i didn't apt-get libsexy2 and it my box is still sexy!
17:03<prolix>Grod: i thought you had an intel processor?
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17:03<Grod>yeah Intel core 2 quad Q6700
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17:03<jackyf>kdas: file the bug :D
17:03<prolix>686 bigmem
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17:04<Grod>you know if the i386 supports more than 3 Gb ram?
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17:07<prolix>Grod: fe fi fo fum
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17:08<kdas>prolix, is that a yes to Grod's question
17:08<Grod>i see that i missed a post:) by installing bigmem ill get up to 64gb
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17:09<prolix>kdas: only yes means yes. everything else != yes
17:10<kdas>Grod, damn i have to go back to winhoes my box has 99gb of ram 64 won't cut it
17:10<prolix>64bit supports up to 17.2billion gigabytes of ram
17:10<Grod>hehe 64 will be sufficient for a decade:p
17:10<kdas>prolix, but you coul make anything = yes ;)
17:11<prolix>kdas: that's called e-rape
17:11<prolix>no means no
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17:12<taziden>la trépannée
17:12<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:14<Grod>do I need to install something extra to make debian manage multiple prosessors?
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17:15<abrotman>Grod: uname -a .. what's your kernel
17:16<Grod>havent installed yet..
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17:17<Grod>writing this from a old xp machine, but now: bye microsoft :p
17:17<panv>crazyb0y, are you online />?
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17:18<qq->kdas: an example >>> xterm -fa Sheriff -bg red -fs 14 -geometry 40x20 -fg black +u8
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17:19<kdas>Grod, if you install newest debian stable or newer kernel supports multi-prossesor
17:19<kdas>qq-, this in reference to what?
17:19<qq->to xterm
17:20<panv>crazyb0y, if you are online please answer.
17:20<kdas>qq-, naturally, but for what purpose ? i don't need my background red lol
17:20*kdas slaps self for using ol
17:20<qq->change as you want
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17:22<kdas>qq-, the problem i was having with xterm was that it would not save its font-size via .Xdefaults, so i just renamed Xdefaults to .Xresources and all is good ;)
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17:22<qq->nice than
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17:23<kdas>qq-, thanks for your help
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17:23<kdas>qq-, if you like you can save me from reading the README on rc.ds and tell me how to link startx with rc5
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17:25<qq->i dunno , sorry
17:25<kdas>qq-, no problem i got it
17:25<kdas>qq-, thanks for your help though
17:25<nosbig>kdas: Typically, you are not going to want to start "startx" in a runlevel, any of them...
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17:25<kdas>nosbig, why not ?
17:26<abrotman>kdas: 2-5 are the same in debian by default .. if you want X to start by default .. just use a dm
17:26<kdas>nosbig, for all those who run kdm and xdm etc they always do that
17:26<nosbig>kdas: Usually, install an X Display Manager, like xdm, kdm, or gdm to ask for a username and password to log in and start X.
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17:27<kdas>abrotman, so i should just switch back to runlevel2 and install a DM ?
17:27<abrotman>if you want X to start all thte time
17:27<nosbig>kdas: If you want to start X after you log into a text login prompt, use startx from within .bashrc, I think....
17:27<nosbig>kdas: Yes.
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17:28<nosbig>kdas: What is your preferred desktop environment? KDE? Gnome? Enlightenment? something else?
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17:28<kdas>nosbig, no DE just openbox and a panel
17:28<kdas>nosbig, i like your .bashrc idea though
17:28<nosbig>kdas: Then any of the display managers are good...
17:29<kdas>nosbig, .. but then again if i want to just use console.. yea i will install a DM
17:29<kdas>nosbig, ok so if i am in runleve 2 or 5 it don't matter ?
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17:30<nosbig>kdas: Correct... In Red Hat, Fedora, and similar, runlevel 5 is the default for a graphical login... In Debian and Ubuntu, the default runlevel is 2 and is not configured for a graphical or text login... You can customize it as you see fit.
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17:32<kdas>nosbig, sorry, ok i am just going to stick with runlevel 2 and let a DM take care of the rest
17:33<nosbig>kdas: No worries... And that is a good choice...
17:33<nosbig>kdas: Especially when the X autoconfiguration is so much better today than it was 10 years ago when I started using Linux.
17:33<kdas>nosbig, would you like to help me out with network/interface ?
17:34<kdas>nosbig, i remember ;)
17:34<nosbig>What's the problem?
17:34<enouf>kdas: yeah, xdefaults = old,bad - xresources = new,good
17:35<kdas>nosbig, i tryed setting all the things to connect to my wireless AP on boot up but the thing is that it lags on the dhclient and then when i actually login and run dhclient it all is good
17:35<enouf>kdas: seen man xrdb yet? :-P
17:35<kdas>enouf, thats were i learned that i should use Xresources. wasen't you who told me to use xdefaults ?
17:36<enouf>kdas: er, some stuff belongs in /etc/network/if-preup.d ? or similar?
17:36<nosbig>kdas: Yeah... That's a result of the wireless stack needing to authenticate and associate with the AP before trying to get an IP address...
17:36<enouf>kdas: no, but i did mention .xinitrc/.xsession earlier today
17:37<kdas>nosbig, exactly so how do i fix that
17:37<nosbig>kdas: I generally prefer to let the Network Manager system control my wireless interfaces on my laptop...
17:37<enouf>kdas: or, if i did, i don't think i did :-P
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17:38<kdas>enouf, no worries you helped me anyway... you made me read the xrdb man HAHAHA
17:38<kdas>nosbig, Network Manager = for gnome and kde right ?
17:39<nosbig>The front-ends are available for each of those... I forgot, you are using openbox...
17:40<nosbig>You could turn it over to network manager, but you wouldn't be able to control it any easier than using the command line...
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17:40<enouf>kdas: take a looka this for a possible template;
17:40<kdas>nosbig, yea so when i apt-get install network manager it wants to install abunch of gnome files
17:41<kdas>enouf, ok i will check it out
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17:41<kdas>enouf, thanks again
17:41<nosbig>kdas: is another page with some sample configurations...
17:42<enouf>kdas: and if wpa is involved; "/msg dpkg wpasupplicant" and "/msg dpkg interfaces" anyways and notice these dirs--> if-down.d/ if-post-down.d/ if-pre-up.d/ if-up.d/
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17:42<kdas>enouf, right.. its wep aka open HAHA
17:42<hardcore>is there a big difference between debian and ubuntu??
17:42<hardcore>besides the release cycle
17:42<kdas>hardcore, you got to be joking me
17:43<hardcore>whats the big difference?
17:43<prolix>debian is a command line focused o.s., whereas ubuntu relies heavily on guis
17:43<freiheit>ubuntu is bad, debian is great
17:44<hardcore>whats wrong with gui?
17:44<hardcore>whats bad?
17:44<kdas>prolix, wrong
17:44<prolix>gui is resource intensive. the windows have to be redrawn for each iteration
17:44<prolix>kdas: it wouldn't be my first time being wrong
17:45<prolix>gui hinders remote assistance
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17:45<kdas>hardcore, the difference is this: ubuntu hides whats going on just like windows
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17:45<prolix>gui hinders effective communication of data
17:45<freiheit>in fact ubuntu just trys to be a free windows
17:45<kdas>hardcore, debian lets you know whats going on and also stays true to the linux/unix outline.
17:46<kdas>prolix, oh, i forgot your a god hahha
17:46<prolix>in debian, to fix something, it's a few commands, not a map to find the northwest passage in that there isn't a, 'now find the left hand menu and scroll down to the bottom' type of instruction
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17:46<prolix>kdas: i do have conviction and a backbone, so if that's a god to you, then bow before me
17:46<prolix>and bring me cookies
17:46<davi>Does the ia64 build work on both AMD 64 and Intel 64 bits architectures?
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17:47<kdas>hardcore, also the most important thing is......... #ubuntu you get help once a blue moon and more newbs then people that know whats going on and #debian you have awesome smart cool people that help all the time
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17:47*kdas bows to prolix and runs to fetch big warm soft chocolate chipped cookies
17:48<kdas>damnit did he listen to my last comparison!
17:48*prolix bows in return and halves the cookies w/kdas
17:48<kdas>sweet! you are a god
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17:49<prolix>a lot of people are afraid of the command line
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17:50<prolix>i spent some time in an ubuntu channel to see if i could pre-empt any of the migrants from coming into #debian by offering simple, generic assistance for the simple things i know
17:50<nosbig>I would disagree with the notion that Debian is command-line focused... I would say that Debian is focused on a high-performance, stable, and secure system... Many times, this relies on not having a GUI on servers...
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17:51<prolix>i don't know how to configure debian in any other fashion than from the command line
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17:51<prolix>i don't know a lot of things, though
17:51<abrotman>davi: no
17:51<nosbig>And for system-wide tasks, I do use the command line, primarily... I use vim, dpkg-reconfigure, and so on for those tasks...
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17:52<nosbig>For many user-level tasks for my profile, I perform work in graphical applications...
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17:52<kdas>prolix, your a god stop being humble!
17:53<davi>abrotman, only on AMD64? So there is not support for the Intel64 architecture? !
17:53<prolix>kdas: i wouldn't want to miss the human experience even if i were offered god status, but thank you
17:53<abrotman>davi: yeah .. amd64 is for intel64
17:54<prolix>debian == the universal operating system
17:54<nosbig>That's the beautiful thing about Debian and open-source in general... One could spend centuries studying this stuff, and there is always more to learn.
17:54<prolix>there are probably some bubblegum machines that can run debian
17:54<davi>abrotman, and what is ia64?
17:54<prolix>nosbig: hear hear
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17:55<nosbig>Can you tell that both of my parents were teachers? ;-)
17:55<davi>abrotman, So amd64 is used for both intel64 and amd64. Is'n it?
17:56<prolix>i can tell that someone positively influence a perpetually growing intellect
17:56<kdas>nice use of words
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17:56<nosbig>I love all of the places I have been able to use Debian.
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17:57<prolix>thank you
17:57<nosbig>I have a Linksys NSLU2 running Debian, a router running OpenWRT, and an Asterisk box with Debian as a base...
17:58<kdas>nosbig, i am so jealous!!! is openwrt debian based ? because i have a fonera with open-wrt on it
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17:59<prolix>i use whatever works
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17:59<nosbig>There are some distinct hints of a Debian-like architecture, but there have been so many tweaks that it is almost unrecognizable as "Debian".
18:00<prolix>but i'll be a proponent for debian as long as i can formulate sound thoughts
18:00<nosbig>I don't know any other distribution that supports as many processor architectures as Debian... Aren't they up to like 21?
18:01<dpkg>ports is probably, or, or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc
18:01<nosbig>kdas: The fonera is cool... OpenWRT does awesome things... I only recently replaced that as my primary router for my home.
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18:01<prolix>debian's approach to computering is cartesian in the sense that the body(the machine) is separated from the mind(the operating system); it shows that intelligence can be injected into any container
18:02<prolix>long live the red swirl
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18:02<kdas>nosbig, unfortunetly i am running legend on the fonera which is a legend HAHA
18:02<nosbig>OK. So I had the least significant digit correct... ;-)
18:02<nosbig>kdas: Can you add X-WRT on that box?
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18:03<kdas>nosbig, yea but i like open-wrt better
18:03<kdas>nosbig, oh, sorry i thought you said d-dwt
18:04<nosbig>Yeah, no... I agree. I prefer open-wrt to dd-wrt any day...
18:04<prolix>i wish aptitude had its dict function enabled
18:04<prolix>aptitude dict prolix
18:05<abrotman>there's a good reason the bot doesn't
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18:05<nosbig>One of my other favorite parts of Debian is the choice of software available to you... particularly the stable/testing/unstable configuration...
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18:05<prolix>abrotman: i'm sure there is
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18:06<nosbig>I can leave my servers with the latest stable, and I can run my desktop with more current software where I can risk slightly more instability.
18:06<kdas>nosbig, ditto
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18:07<prolix>i'm a minimalist. i use the tools that come in the basic install plus an sshserver and conky
18:07<prolix>and now, an erlang interpreter
18:08<kdas>prolix, an erlang interpreter!! how can you call yourself a minimalist tsk tsk tsk
18:08*prolix hangs head in shame
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18:10<kdas>when gnome keyring or any other programs try to su there way to root it can't login because i don't have a root account so how so i tell su to point to sudo or something ?
18:10<nosbig>The only problems I have had recently are with the two pieces of proprietary software I ever deal with... I have been running VMware Server and it will no longer run with the most recent Debian bigmem kernels in testing...
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18:10<abrotman>could you guys move this to #debian-offtopic .. it's been going on forever
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18:10<nosbig>The second is with the NVidia drivers for accelerated graphics for my video card...
18:10<Grod>do apt-get and aptitude handle dependencies the same way? when shoudl i use apt-get and when should i use aptitude?
18:10<abrotman>!tell Grod about why aptitude
18:11<abrotman>Grod: in almost every case now ..y ou should use aptitude
18:11<Grod>ok, i will :p
18:11<nosbig>!tell Nosbig about why aptitude
18:11<kdas>abrotman, i always use apt-get, except when i remove packages
18:11<abrotman>that's fine ..
18:11<abrotman>!tell nosbig about selftell
18:11<kdas>!tell kdas about why aptitude
18:11<abrotman>kdas: it's still recommended to use aptitude
18:11<prolix>only problem i've had with debian is a driver for my pos realtek wifi device
18:11<abrotman>!tell kdas about selftell
18:12<Grod>iv been a happy apt-get user for a months, but i see ith time to chance that :p
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18:12<Grod>sorry spelling.. (just one beer...)
18:12<prolix>recruiting to the testing pool?
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18:12<peter1138>Hmm, I always used apt-get... long before aptitude existed...
18:13<kdas>i love apt-get
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18:13<devpsp>they are french channel about debian ?
18:13<dpkg>rumour has it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
18:13<kdas>abrotman, how do i use apt-cache search function in aptitude?
18:13<devpsp>thank you
18:13<abrotman>kdas: aptitude search
18:13<avu>kdas, aptitude search, which can do *much* more than apt-cache
18:14<kdas>abrotman, via the '/' key?
18:14<abrotman>i don't use the interface ..
18:14<abrotman>kdas: try reading the aptitude documentation
18:14<kdas>avu, but i only can find by name rather then by description of the package
18:14<avu>kdas, that's wrong.
18:14<avu>kdas, you can do everything with aptitude search you can to with apt-cache search and, really, *much* more
18:15<kdas>abrotman, cool aptitude install blah etc? thats sweet i never thought of that
18:15<avu>(but I also don#t use that ncurses interface)
18:15<kdas>avu, ok i believe you
18:15<avu>and I only hadto say it two times, whooho
18:15<Grod>ill start using aptitude from now on. im a believer:)
18:16<kdas>yea the ncurces interface scared me and i always associate aptitude with ncurces interface thats why i always used apt-get/cache
18:16<nosbig>Agreed... Old habits die hard... ;-)
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18:16<nosbig>kdas: If aptitude's curses interface scared you, run away from dselect... ;-)
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18:17<kdas>nosbig, i don't even know what dselect is HAHAHA
18:17<peter1138>dselect :o
18:17<peter1138>It's still there :)
18:17<kdas>Happy, hey!!! you!!! this is not a happy place!! hahah
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18:17<Happy>so I'm looking to get ipp2p installed in testing
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18:18<Happy>but it's impossible
18:18<Happy>gentoo makes it soo easy
18:18<kdas>abrotman, so is it possible to remove apt-* ?
18:18<avu>kdas, why would you?
18:18<Happy>I've been at this for 4 hours
18:19<Happy>under gentoo, it would be a portage emerge ipp2p
18:19<kdas>avu, well if aptitude is the way to go why have apt-*? or is aptitude a frontend for apt-* ?
18:19<Happy>can anyone help me?
18:19<kdas>Happy, what is ipp2p ?
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18:20<prolix>p2p filter
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18:20<prolix>for the information gestapo
18:20<Happy>for iptables
18:20<avu>kdas, not, it isn't
18:20<avu>kdas, but AFAIK, aptitude still has no 'source' command
18:20<kdas>avu, AFAIK?
18:20<dpkg>well, afaik is as far as I know
18:20<avu>kdas, as far as I know
18:21<abrotman>kdas: you can msg the bot
18:21<peter1138>So how does it detect p2p hidden in ssh? :D
18:21<kdas>abrotman, sorry
18:21<Happy>it doesn't
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18:21<Happy>I'm only trying to use it on my home network so that I can surf the web at the same time as I'm downloading stuffs
18:22<abrotman>!info wondershaper etch
18:22<dpkg>wondershaper: (Easy to use traffic shaping script), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1a-4 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 80 kB
18:23<abrotman>!info trickle etch
18:23<dpkg>trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-4 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 104 kB
18:23<Happy>but I'm more used to shorewall
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18:23<abrotman>so use shorewall ?
18:23<Happy>umm...I am
18:23<Happy>it uses iptables
18:24<Happy>of which ipp2p is a module
18:24<avu>your point being?
18:24<Happy>I'm already using shorewall as my firewall
18:24<avu>again, your point being?
18:24<Happy>and would prefer not to split up the functionality
18:24<avu>both trickle and wondershaper are not 'firewalls'
18:24<panagos>when i start virtualbox networking, a new interface, vbox0, shows up in ifconfig, but it has no address! what is more, networking doesn't work, from inside the vm i get a connection which is practically dead. anyone can help?
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18:25<abrotman>Happy: trickle is a userspace thing .. it wouldn't affect your iptables at all
18:25<avu>and with wondershaper, using iptabels to mark packages is just one option
18:25<avu>(meaning 'not the only one')
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18:27<Happy>I suppose it would be possible to use those
18:27<Happy>I'll look into them, thanks
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18:30<fotzen>hitler fickt euch hart
18:30<fotzen>hitler fickt euch hart
18:30<fotzen>hitler fickt euch hart
18:30<fotzen>ops stinken
18:30<ranix>!ops fotzen is a troll
18:30<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ranix complains about: fotzen is a troll
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18:31<ranix>wow that was swift
18:31<Cheatah>bofhs punish instantly
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18:33<abrotman>not a very smart one either
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18:35<Grod>irssi the irc client of the future:)
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18:36<kdas>when gnome keyring or any other programs try to su there way to root it can't login because i don't have a root account so how so i tell su to point to sudo or something ?
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18:37<abrotman>did you look at the gksu.conf ?
18:37<eddieB>does anyone know of a FTP Client that allows multiple files to be uploaded to a server at the same time?
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18:37<ranix>man gksu iirc
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18:38<ranix>eddieB: winscp for windows
18:38<eddieB>any for Debian?
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18:39<ranix>eddieB: i find myself using scp far more frequently than ftp when copying something to a linux machine, so I can't help
18:39<kdas>abrotman, were is this gksu.conf located?
18:39<eddieB>ranix: np, thanks anyway
18:40<kdas>abrotman, umm not for me
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18:43<qq->kdas: dpkg -l | grep gksu
18:43<nosbig>kdas: find and locate are your friends... ;-)
18:44<nosbig>Or that...
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18:45<kdas>nosbig, find and locate and i are all in a fight now and we are no longer friends
18:45<Kaigeos>hope someone can help me out with Apache 2 and MySql 5.0 for Debian (Etch)
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18:46<kdas>qq-, its installed just don't know were conf file is ?
18:47<kdas>be back in a bit
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18:56<mister>i have problem with xorgr=fatal server error: no scren found
18:56<mister>can someone help me?
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18:57<freiheit>can anyone enlighten me why iceweasel 3.0.3 is not yet in debian repos?
18:58<freiheit>or maybe 3.0.2?
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18:59<topsoil>I have a directory in my DocumentRoot directory for Apache, called '2', and when I access it'll redirect to (add a trailing slash). Is it possible to customize where all directories redirect to, so the redirect URL doesn't contain the :1234 part?
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19:02<magyar>hi, trying to clone partitions from one 500gb drive to another but get this error >
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19:08<kdas>abrotman, i think you were the one helping with the interface problem of mine right?
19:09<kdas>in any case whoever was helping me out, i still get dhclient not geting me a IP but soon as i bootup and run dhclient i get my ip
19:09<kdas>ideas? people
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19:12<ubuntu>ola pessoal
19:12<Kaigeos>anyone able to help with configuring mysql 5.0 for Apache 2 and Php5? I installed with 'sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin' so everything would install and take care of itself. but I had mysql 5.0 installed all ready. apache and php are working great. MySql 5.0 is working flawlessly, however they won't work together.
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19:13<Kaigeos>and phpinfo doesn't see MySql is even there
19:14<avtobiff>Kaigeos, did you install php-mysql?
19:14<Kaigeos>uh no...
19:14<avtobiff>Kaigeos, that would be php5-mysql for you :)
19:14<Kaigeos>can that be installed after the fact?
19:14<avtobiff>Kaigeos, that can be installed, as a matter of fact.
19:14<kdas>anyone ?
19:15<Kaigeos>thanks avtobiff. I'll do that now and see what I get. :)
19:15<avtobiff>Kaigeos, np
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19:17<Kaigeos>hmm, I got the message, php5-mysql is already the newest version.
19:17<Kaigeos>so why can't phpmyadmin connect to it. or phpinfo() see it?
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19:20<Kaigeos>if it helps this is the error from phpmyadmin.. #2013 - Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111
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19:25<avtobiff>Kaigeos, is the mysql server on?
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19:26<Kaigeos>lol. yea, i forgot to restart the server. :p
19:26<mister> i have problem with xorgr=fatal server error: no scren found
19:26<Kaigeos>so now I just have to see what i did wrong with phpmyadmin. I had edited. I think I commented my changes
19:28<avtobiff>mister, what error message do you get?
19:28<avtobiff>Kaigeos, i recognized the error message number (111), something with socket blabla and connection.
19:29<avtobiff>Kaigeos, usually means that the server isn't started (or reachable fro some reason)
19:29<Kaigeos>while I was getting error (111) I was working in mysql-admin and mysql-query-browser just fine
19:31<Kaigeos>I think I'm beginning to know how to do the same thing in mysql-admin as I would do in phpmyadmin. but I like phpmyadmin better for some things
19:33<kdas>can some one help me setup my network/interface i am not getting a IP with dhclient unil after i login
19:33<Kaigeos>ok, now I'm at this error #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured.
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19:35<avtobiff>kdas, what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like, and is the module for the NIC loaded etc?
19:36<kdas>avtobiff, let me pastebin it one second
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19:37<florian>Hello. Quick Question. I just played around with different Themes, Icons, Overlays, and so on and mixed em all together and I have a Design/Theme that I like quite a lot. So I saved it. Now is there any way to export it so i can use the saved setting on my other Ubuntu machines as well?!?
19:37<kdas>avtobiff, getting the IP once i am booted is no problem it just happens when its booting
19:38<kdas>FloodServ, goto #ubuntu
19:38<avtobiff>kdas, for the wireless?
19:38<ranix>florian: why don't you ask someone in #ubuntu
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19:38<kdas>ranix, thankyou
19:38<kdas>avtobiff, aye aye captain
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19:38<kdas>wee yes
19:38<avtobiff>kdas, is the wireless module loaded prior to the interfaces tries to pull up wlan0?
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19:39<kdas>avtobiff, i don't know i think so
19:39<amphi>kdas: what card is it?
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19:40<kdas>amphi, iwl4965
19:40<kdas>avtobiff, i see it detected etc before
19:40<amphi>kdas: I use that card
19:41<kdas>amphi, ok cool so you know what i am talking abou then?
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19:42<amphi>kdas: I have two lines in interfaces that made it work automagically; pre-up ifconfig wlan0 up & pre-up iwlist wlan0 scan > /dev/null
19:43<amphi>kdas: I'm not sure why, or whether they're still necessary, but it may work for you
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19:43<amphi>kdas: the iface comes up and is configured by dhcp at boot time here with those
19:43<kdas>amphi, this is what my config looks like
19:44<kdas>amphi, what?
19:45<amphi>I just have those two pre-up lines, and other options set normally (wireless-foo blah)
19:45<Kaigeos>ok, why does mysql work in mysql-admin, mysql-browser, but not for phpmyadmin or in console. but shows installed in phpinfo()
19:45<kdas>amphi, so i should do that and uncomment the wireless-blah lines
19:45<amphi>kdas: give it a try
19:46<kdas>amphi, ok i will
19:46<kdas>amphi, do you use a network manager?
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19:46<amphi>kdas: whay module version do you have?
19:46<kdas>amphi, iwlist and iwconfig are your friends ?
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19:47<kdas>amphi, cool
19:47<amphi>or /etc/network/interfaces
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20:11<thecreator>Hello, I've got a quick question. I'd like to configure my system to use localhost as loopback, (if that's the right thing to do), and keep my machine name at tds and set my fqdn. I'm not totally sure how to do this--I keep getting errors, so I set hostname to be mhy machine name and I think that's coming up as the fqdn now.
20:12<thecreator>when I nmap localhost it resolves to two IP addresses, according to nmap. never seen that before.
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20:14<qq->thecreator: here : Warning: Hostname localhost resolves to 2 IPs. Using
20:15<qq->that come from a wrong /etc/hosts
20:15<qq->ocalhost:~$ cat /etc/hosts
20:15<qq-> localhost
20:15<qq-> localhost
20:15<thecreator>nods. any ideas on fixing it? I'm not sure how to set it up the way it needs to be.
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20:16<qq->just delete a line >> localhost
20:16<thecreator>thanks! I'll do that
20:16<qq->in /etc/hosts
20:17<Kaigeos>ahh, mysql wasn't broken in console just had to force it with user/password
20:17<thecreator>nods. how is the machine name set? the line reads localhost machine name fqdn?
20:17<Kaigeos>all thats broken now is phpmyadmin
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20:19<qq-> fqdn is given by bind/dhcp servers to an net interface as eth0
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20:21<qq->so add someting like this in /etc/hosts >> mymachine.domainname creator00
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20:24<Kaigeos>hmm, I go to config auth type and phpmyadmin works just fine... why couldn't I use cookie authtype? cookies are enable in my browser... :/
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20:27<thecreator>so fqdn machine name and then the host? I'm confused
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20:28<kdas>amphi, didn't work :9
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20:40<clint1986>hi everyone :)
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20:43<viktor>hello debian user's
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20:52<kdas>can some one help me out to find an application that will monitor all network behavior and have some kind of config file or something that i can use, so i only see that "so n so" is using ymsg aka yahoo messenger and stuff like that?
20:55<dondelelcaro>uh... why in the world do you want to do that?
20:56<kdas>dondelelcaro, so i can see what users are using my server for
20:56<dondelelcaro>spying on your users shouldn't be done
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20:57<dondelelcaro>if you don't trust them to use your server appropriately, you shouldn't give them accounts
20:57<kdas>dondelelcaro, if the users are my family and i told them what not to do then it can be done
20:57<dondelelcaro>uh... if you want to use such a thing to spy on your children or your family, you're approaching this from the wrong angle
20:57<kdas>dondelelcaro, i asked for help setting something up not a lecture on what you think should and shant be done
20:58<dondelelcaro>indeed; you asked for help, and me determining whether I wish to contribute to surveilance is an important part of me deciding whether I wish to help you or not
20:59<kdas>dondelelcaro, ok well if you can really help me then i will tell you in detail what i am doing but for some random stranger my answer is what i gave you
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21:01<prolix>discretion is a beautiful thing
21:02<ranix>to be blunt, your personal feelings towards surveillance are off topic
21:03<prolix>so is the request to remain ontopic. from a human, anyway
21:03<ranix>prolix: touche
21:03<kdas>damn HAHA prolix
21:03<kdas>ranix, i agree with you
21:03<dondelelcaro>anyone who wishes to help can; conversely, I'm free to determine whom I wish to help on whatever metrics I devise myself, so long as I'm not attacking others in so doing
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21:04<kdas>i feel attacked!!!!
21:04*prolix pelts kdas with rapid fire marshmallows
21:06<kdas>dondelelcaro, its all good i know what you mean ;) i just don't like having to explain myself and have the other person go "oh i don't know" ;) but i respect your view.
21:06<kdas>clint1986, is 1986 your birthday?
21:06<clint1986>kdas: have you tried searching for network monitoring tools on the internet?
21:06<clint1986>kdas: i get a swell of results in google
21:06<ranix>kdas: tried something simple like ntop?
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21:07<prolix>just pipe all the data from eth0 to a .txt file and use grep. heil kdas!
21:07<kdas>clint1986, i tryed a few but i don't want a packet sniffer giving me the deatails of the emails etc. rather i want just a simple program that says (guestPC343) > http get
21:08<kdas>prolix, lmfao
21:08<kdas>prolix, believe it or not i was trying to tshark | grep the data but i realized that would kill my server haha
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21:09<kdas>ranix, i haven't tried ntop yet will it do what i want ?
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21:09<clint1986>might do
21:09<xittum>tshark sound right!
21:09<xittum>just simple
21:09<Vivy>My name is vivy
21:09<kdas>xittum, you don't think thats to much stress?
21:09<Vivy>sim e m brazil
21:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:10<kdas>i love dpkg
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21:10<Vivy>sou debian-br
21:10<kdas>Vivy, si
21:10<Vivy>My name is vivy
21:10<kdas>Vivy, #debian-br
21:10<kdas>i think he is a troll!!
21:10<xittum>kdas: no idea - just came here :) just ansering to the "rather i want just a simple program" part of your q
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21:11<kdas>clint1986, i want to hax0r nasa though HAHAHa and spy on my neighbors and use there CC to buy the newest alienware laptop so i can pwn newbs!!!
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21:12<clint1986>i think you're in the wrong channel then
21:12<kdas>xittum, haha ok, well let me repeat for you real fast, i want just a simple program that says (guestPC343) > http get
21:12<kdas>clint1986, it was a joke ;) mr. serious
21:12<prolix>please don't abuse the word hacker, or any derivative therin
21:13<kdas>prolix, haha, you crack me up
21:13<loopdee>ok so i put in this new pcie graphics card, dont see any place in bios to disable integrated, but the thing still thinks its memory from main memory and not the onboard ..
21:14*kdas looks down in shame and acknowledges prolix 31337N355
21:14<prolix>i can't read numbers. did you just curse at me?
21:14<clint1986>kdas: is netstat not enough?
21:14<kdas>xittum, so you get what i want now ? not to complicated?
21:15<loopdee>kdas if it was not too complicated... would you be asking
21:15<kdas>clint1986, is that for own computer not everyone connecting through ?
21:15<clint1986>it would show the connections the server was making
21:15<clint1986>is that not what you want?
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21:15<kdas>loopdee, you would be surprised the complexity to simplicity especially when pluging in pcie video cards
21:16<loopdee>im witnessing it
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21:17*prolix doesn't tell
21:17<kdas>clint1986, sorta yes, but i would have to write some kind of script to parse the ports and service and guess the guests program
21:18<kdas>clint1986, as opposed to tshark that shows that its ymsg, http etc
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21:18<kdas>loopdee, nmap = port scanner
21:19<kdas>clint1986, a netstat on crack would work like hping is for ping
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21:19<clint1986>this is a lot of work to monitor your family
21:19<clint1986>can you not just go into the room where the machine is and ask them?
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21:20<kdas>clint1986, looks like thats what i will end up doing hahah
21:20<clint1986>it would be simpler just to block outgoing traffic on the things you don't want them to use, rather than catch them in the act
21:21<kdas>clint1986, its linux though.. so i thought some nerd would have done this before me
21:21<clint1986>don't get me wrong, it can be done, but it seems a lot of work at home
21:21<kdas>clint1986, point.... (block all pr0n = true)
21:22<kdas>clint1986, yea no worries trust and a lil bit of security should do it...
21:22<kdas>clint1986, there is not away to keep netstat up is there? i have to call it each time..
21:23<clint1986>kdas: might be more appropriate
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21:25<clint1986>kdas: it does things like that
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21:25<kdas>clint1986, umm helpful, but not to helpful when you have a kid who spends more time on messenger then homework and you don't want to be the prick to cut of messenger but also you don't want to be the idiot who says "i know you been on messenger chatting for the last 5hrs" and get a reply "no i havent i just logged on!"
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21:27<loopdee>your router is linux ?
21:27<amphi>kdas: you could have cron block/unblock such traffic at certains times
21:27<kdas>amphi, lol here comes nazi dad!!!
21:28<ranix>kdas: my linksys router running third party firmware can block certain protocols at certain times of da
21:28<clint1986>there is also squidguard, if you're using squid
21:28<ranix>kdas: also you could block the internet completely for long enough to do homeworj
21:28<kdas>amphi, there is many things i can do like that but i rather just be able to prove the usage and just have it there so they can check them selfs, more of like teaching responsibility not dictatorship
21:29<kdas>ranix, ;)
21:30<loopdee>i would have gone completley insane if my parents blocked the internet back then...
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21:30<kdas>so thats the problem, sure i can cut stuff off blank site etc etc.. but rather just have something that shows them what they doing so they know, not like i want to know what they do and be a freaking nazi controling dad
21:30<kdas>loopdee, yea me to thats why i am trying another approach
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21:30<loopdee>whats the other approach... i missed it
21:30<loopdee>cause now i got kids and it may be interesting
21:31<kdas>the msg above the last one to you posted to the room ;)
21:32<kdas>loopdee, yea teach responsibility don't control thats what i like to live by ;)
21:32<kdas>or at least try hahha
21:32<loopdee>im trying to think how i would actauly deal with that
21:32<ranix>kdas: just use ethereal
21:33<clint1986>i would just tell them to stop chatting and do homework
21:33<clint1986>not hand them a sheet of statistics
21:33<kdas>ranix, well thats what i was thinking tshark but isn;t that a lil resource killer?
21:33<clint1986>and if they don't do it, they get told off at school
21:33<clint1986>it will soon set in
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21:34<kdas>clint1986, so you spy on your kids ?
21:34<amphi>kdas: what makes you think they don't know what they do? ;)
21:34<clint1986>spying sounds wrong
21:34<clint1986>i'd take an interest
21:34<clint1986>i wouldn't want them using the internet and neglecting their education
21:34<ranix>kdas: you want to record all outgoing packets
21:35<ranix>kdas: resource killer doesn't even begin to describe that
21:35<kdas>amphi, they know what they do i just don't want to argue saying "you been on there for 2 hrs" and get "not ah, i just type sometimes, i am doing my school can't you see!"
21:35<kdas>clint1986, you have kids?
21:35<clint1986>does it matter? i wouldn't do what you want to do
21:35<kdas>ranix, you the one suggesting etheral haha
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21:35<ranix>kdas: and if you were my dad and handed me a sheet of statistics showing my network protocol usage, you would come to the unpleasant realization that all my traffic had become ssh the next time you look
21:35<clint1986>i'm going to leave this to the others
21:36<prolix>all this talk of snooping makes me wonder about something. it makes me think of google and how it's broken in that it can't index files/blackspace in webpages.
21:36<kdas>ranix, haha well good thing my kids arn't lil hackers..... yet
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21:36<prolix>debian has one of the, if not the, largest linux community in the world, yet i've seen no mention of a distributed indexing initiative with some form of centralization
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21:37<kdas>prolix, sounds complicated
21:37<prolix>kdas: what doesn't sound complicated
21:37<kdas>ranix, you were the one that told me to use etheral so why would i do that if it will kill all cpu and mem?
21:37<kdas>prolix, beer?
21:38<prolix>mmm. beer
21:38<amphi>ethereal will eventually bring the OOM-killer stalking forth from its lair
21:39<ranix>kdas: you want to record all outgoing packets
21:39<ranix>kdas: resource killer doesn't even begin to describe that
21:39<kdas>amphi, yea i mean it dosen't need to log the packets or anything it just needs to log the differnt sites and time on mesengers etc
21:39<ranix>like I just said above
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21:40<kdas>ranix, i never said anything about recording all packets
21:40<ranix>kdas: ok, then you want to what, sort specific kinds of packets out of the blob and record THOSE?
21:40<clint1986>kdas: just put telescreens in their rooms
21:40<clint1986>kdas: and be done with it
21:41<ranix>kdas: what makes more sense to you, recording everything or sorting everything in real time then recording it
21:41<amphi>move to a panopticon home ;)
21:41<kdas>clint1986, yea i will be in "worse dads magazine"
21:41<kdas>ranix, i never said anything about sorting ether ahha
21:42<kdas>ranix, you know grep ?
21:42<amphi>kdas: you aren't perchance T. Reginald Gibbons?
21:42<ranix>kdas: you may need to consider the possibility of your having a fundamental misunderstanding of the way computers work
21:43<kdas>amphi, , how do you know ? hahah
21:43<kdas>ranix, maybe.. maybe
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21:48<prolix>kdas: i'm sure you have the best of intentions. i couldn't imagine having kids and trying to guide them down the right path
21:48<prolix>if i ever have kids, the only programs they're going to be able to access on their computers are the calculator and a word processor
21:48<kdas>prolix, i thought that once
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21:58<enouf>amphi: do you happen to have that puten pic (puten rears his ugly head, lmao) in your clipboard cache?
21:59<enouf>amphi: for extra points, how about that URL from that 1994 SGI insider Bloat memo :-)
21:59<enouf>!\o/ amphi
21:59<dpkg>\o/ is probably w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
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22:01<enouf>amphi: have your heard her actually speak that text shown there? she sounds like she;s asking a 2nd grade child (the "where do they go?" part especially) about a childrens book plot - hahaha
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22:01<amphi>enouf: yeah, I saw the clip
22:01<enouf>amphi: you can't make up comedy like this .. lmao
22:01<amphi>such a person cannot be given enough nukuler weapons IMHO
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22:03<enouf>amphi: wait - i'll find that URL from 199x .. it was from an lkml contributor ;-)
22:04<wreigj>Anyone know of an issue where alt-left arrow and alt-right arrow don't navigate to the previous/next page in Firefox? I am using gnome...this used to work in the past for some reason.
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22:07<amphi>wreigj: the window manager/DE isn't capturing the keystrokes?
22:08<wreigj>amphi, how can i tell/set this? I haven't changed anything in a while.
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22:11<amphi>wreigj: does ff behave if you use another wm?
22:12<wreigj>haven't tested's not a user account issue because i created a fresh account and tried it up...was thinking might be something in xorg.conf file or gdm setting something possibly
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22:27<enouf>amphi: got it - hahaha
22:28<enouf>bloat bloat bloat your bloat .. gently down the stream ...
22:34<enouf>merrily merrily merrily merrily ... linus' big bloat dream :-P
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22:44<amphi>enouf: haha, "Marketing - where the rubber meets the sky"
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22:45<enouf>amphi: skid marks! :-p
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22:51<amphi>his point about the promotion of optimists is well made
22:54<enouf>amphi: it's such a comfort to me to read things like that - and that was written well before the onslaught of the Framework mindset mentality ;-)
23:00<enouf>"X and Motif are the reasons that UNIX deserves to die." -- Larry Kaplan
23:00<enouf>"Do you want to be a bloat detective? It's easy; just pick any executable. There! You found some!" -- Rolf van Widenfelt
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23:23<thecreator>I'm using c++, and am kinda lost. I'm trying to find the function or technique that would allow me to run a program as a demon, rather than sit in the console.
23:25<TehZorro>thecreator, which OS are you using?
23:25<TehZorro>ohh wow, I thought I was talking in a different channel xD
23:25<thecreator>but I'd like it to be cross-platform. e.g: if the user specifies --demon or -d on the command line, it'll send it to running as a demon.
23:27<thecreator>hmm. would it work if I ran fork and then returned from the parent process?
23:29<Nameeater>have you tried googling this? :)
23:30<thecreator>um... yeah.
23:30<enouf>start-stop-daemon ?
23:30<thecreator>I'm just trying to make a demon. I can save the pid in a file, if fork is how you do it, and use a script to start/stop.
23:30<enouf>install manpages-dev at the least
23:30<thecreator>um. I've done that too.
23:30<Nameeater> - Making a linux Daemon
23:30<enouf>demons are a dime a dozen
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23:31<enouf>Paulson - Cheney ...
23:31<thecreator>Nameeater: thanks
23:34<thecreator>ooo. I was right. :)
23:37<enouf>heh, had it bookmarked
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23:38<thecreator>he. thanks. I'll check that too. I'd googled but didn't find much on it, which is surprising. it showed me how to use nohup, but not what I really wanted.
23:40<thecreator>advanced programming in the unix environment is going to become my favorite book. :)
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