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---Logopened Sun Sep 28 00:00:18 2008
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00:01<payne_>=) I am having problems with amarok
00:01<payne_>i cant get any streams to play
00:02<prolix>payne_: there's a #amarok on
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00:05<prolix>thecreator: what do you create?
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00:08<prolix>i, for example, am an exemplary creator of such fine things as flatus and dirty clothes and human waters
00:08<thecreator>I create lots of things. I like to try for chaos, but it evades me sometimes.
00:09<prolix>chaos is a difficult thing to harness, let alone create. that's laudable
00:09<thecreator>It's a fine art. ;)
00:10<thecreator>but it's not dificult at all. my latest project (letting rats loose in an office building) did it just fine.
00:10<prolix>were they wild rats?
00:10<thecreator>got em from the pet store
00:10<prolix>that's still funny. how many were there
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00:11<thecreator>about 10. it was a rather small office, I just let them go behind the secretaries desk and made sure they went toward the back. didn't take long for the confirmation of their arrival.
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00:15<Nameeater>did you catch all of them afterwards?
00:15<thecreator>where's the fun in that? :p
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00:16<Nameeater>its not about fun, its caring for the rats!
00:16<prolix>i hear rat-kabobs are all the rage
00:16<thecreator>this office has about 8 old ladies, a janitor, and another dude that works there. the guy was gone, so the ladies were standing on their chairs calling for the janitor to get them.
00:17<thecreator>caring for the rats? I'm sure they'll get vacumed up at some point.
00:17<LinuxReign>wow, how many rats?
00:17<thecreator>10. :p
00:18<prolix>have you guys ever looked into who writes all those bot factoids we use so often?
00:18<LinuxReign>not really
00:19<prolix>i have and it changes my perspective about some of the names i see
00:19<prolix>magic doesn't exist. it's all someone's blood, sweat and tears
00:19<LinuxReign>well, you got that right :)
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00:20<LinuxReign>i'll be back right away, installing the nvidia driver
00:20<prolix>with that said, i'll try to adhere to the topic from now on
00:21<thecreator>lol. noone has complained yet.
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00:22<cmyers>This may be slightly OT, but....I have a problem - $2000 of hardware is sitting around useless to me because the motherboard I got doesn't seem to play nice with linux (tried several different things to get it working, the IDE and NIC are both not well supported). Can anyone suggest a good motherboard with 8 SATA ports, which will support an intel core 2 duo chip? Any suggestions are most appreciated.
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00:23<prolix>complaining shouldn't have to occur. there are tons of channels on this network and i think this one even has an offtopic channel
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00:27<fous>i need help would a better solution to have router with DD-wrt or to setup an old pc with debain or other software to use as a firewall/router
00:27<thecreator>use iptables with dnat
00:27<fous>iptables on the dd-wrt or the old pc
00:27<thecreator>mascerading or something, I think it's called. don't think I spelled that right.
00:28<cmyers>I found building a firewall/router box with an old machine and debian to be a great learning experience.
00:28<fous>i wanted to fool around and do that
00:28<thecreator>the old pc. if you have two ethernet cards you plug one card into the eithernet, the second goes to your other computer or router.
00:28<fous>I have a lot of old pc around lol
00:28<fous>I have a big switch
00:28<cmyers>a quick google search for "Debian linux firewall" has several hits, some are a little old, but as long as it uses "iptables" and not the old one (what was it called?) you should be good.
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00:29<voltaire>Have you proved Debian Lenny???????
00:29<cmyers>yeh, that's right, ipchains was the old one. iptables is a lot more powerful and easier to use, IMO.
00:29<thecreator>but yeah. use iptables.
00:29<fous>lol ok
00:30<fous>what if dd-wrt have iptables thats fine?
00:30<fous>can i mask my ip as well
00:30<fous>with iptables
00:31<thecreator>then how would streams work?
00:31<thecreator>if you want to "mask your ip." check out tor
00:31<fous>ok cool
00:32<thecreator>iptables is a firewall. not an anonymity tool
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00:33<fous>what i want to do is create a public and private network but have a firewall/router/ vpn happening
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00:34<fous>i have a linksys with dd-wrt
00:34<fous>but I think i rather have a pc that does it all but I read up lol
00:35<Haibane_Rakka>my ethernet interface is invisible on my network when I restart it unless I disable it and reenable it from the desktop... I have no idea why
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00:35<fous>also how i get WOL to work on debain
00:37<gsimmons>!tell fous -about wol
00:38<fous>whats the dpkg for wol for debian
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00:40<prolix>aptitude wol
00:40<aptitude>rumour has it, wol is Wake on LAN, powering on a computer remotely through the use of a "magic" packet. See for more information. WoL utilities packaged for Debian: 'etherwake', 'wakeonlan'. Online WOL services:
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00:42<fous>thank you im trying to get that working for my server
00:43<prolix>fous: thank gsimmons and check your private messages
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00:44<fous>i got it
00:44<fous>i no what WOL is but how to make it work lol I use dd-wrt for WOL
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00:46<Haibane_Rakka>I'm having some problems with my eth0 interface on a fresh install
00:47<thecreator>what's wrong with it?
00:47<Haibane_Rakka>when I restart the machine, I can access the network just fine but my ip doesn't show up on the router
00:47<Haibane_Rakka>and I can't connect remotely to it
00:48<Haibane_Rakka>it works fine if I turn off the interface and turn it back on
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00:53<fous>how to i config wakeonlan
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00:59<Haibane_Rakka>oh yeah and before it was assigning a new interface each time I rebooted, eth0, eth1, eth2, etc... someone helped me with that last night
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01:00<enouf>!tell Haibane_Rakka -about z25
01:01<Haibane_Rakka>oh that's fixed now, thanks though
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01:01<Haibane_Rakka>the problem is I can't access my machine remotely after a restart, my ip is completely invisible in my network
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01:19<initiate>i`m using lenny , i have alsa installed but still no sound at all
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01:21<deniz>i have eng and french dictionnaries in but I am writing a french homework assignment and would like to default the spell checker to french for now, can someone please tell me how to do that?
01:21<gsimmons>!tell initiate -about alsa checklist
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01:24<deniz>i have eng and french dictionnaries in but I am writing a french homework assignment and would like to default the spell checker to french for now, can someone please tell me how to do that?
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02:50<Haibane_Rakka>my connection on my linux machine is completely down and I don't know why...
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04:25<TMcTrain>sorry for the delay! i was told to update my real name! is this a nameserver, channel or client process?
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04:25<cTATUK>how can i check which files a specific PID has open?
04:27<cTATUK>ah lsof
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04:28<enriquei>Anyone know of a linux distro that supports the java browser plugin out of the box?
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04:33<jackyf>enkrypt: debian has gcjwebplugin and icedtea-gcjwebplugin
04:33<jackyf>oh, enriquei: it was to you
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04:34<enriquei>jackyf: need java java
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04:34<enriquei>i need to authenticate with what's called the "cisco clean access client"
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04:34<enriquei>won't run unless it's using sun java
04:35<jackyf>icedtea is almost purely sun java
04:35<enriquei>yes, but it won't work.
04:35<jackyf>you can try at least
04:35<enriquei>tried it already
04:35<enriquei>I'm running debian right now.
04:35<jackyf>oh, ack
04:36<enriquei>i need this to fool our university authentication system into thinking I'm running linux when I'm really running windows
04:36<enriquei>using a VM with NAT
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04:38<stevecotton>gcjwebplugin has a huge security hole:
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05:26<tux>hello, if i switch on my kde 4.1.1 effects the desktop colours change from 32bit to 16bit. is there a solution? (intel gma 950)
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06:19<qpuo>im installing debian on a quad core intel with 4gb ram. Should i go for the amd64 or the i386? Are there lots of programs that ill not be able to use in 64 bits?
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06:29<qpuo>would it be a waste of machine-power to install x86 version? If not ill install the x86 to be sure to be able to use all programs i need
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06:44<Herman>hello, I'm new and trying to get in touch with someone, can anyone respond to me
06:45<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
06:46<Herman>Thanks and excusses, I'm new to Debian and need to install a network driver from it's enclosed CD-Rom.
06:47<Herman>I installed it from the latest DVD download and found that the network is not working.
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06:48<sajes>What card are you using?
06:48<Nemoder>qpuo: amd64 wont be that much faster, but you can run most any 32bit binary with the ia32-libs installed, only issues are proprietary browser plugins like flash and java but those have workarounds
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06:50<Herman>one moment I'll give you the lspci reading
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06:52<Herman>It's the Realtek RTL8111/81688 PCIExpress
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06:56<Nemoder>Herman: try rmmod r8169; modprobe r8169
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07:06<Herman>On the CD there is a folder r8168-8.003.00 so I think I should try that one, or is there a reason not to?
07:07<Herman>What do the commands rmmod and modprobe do?
07:07<sajes>rmmod unloads a module, modprobe loads one.
07:08<Herman>where do I place the files from the CD
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07:08<taziden>and is there a difference between rmmod and modprobe -r ?
07:09<Nameeater>man modprobe
07:09<Nemoder>either will work, I suppose modprobe -r is more consistent across distributions
07:12<enouf>taziden: bug diff
07:12<enouf>taziden: big diff
07:12<enouf>taziden: modprobe takes care of dependencies, rmmod/insmod does not
07:12<dpkg>Add module to kernel: "modprobe foo"; Remove module from kernel: "modprobe -r foo". See also: <modules>, <modconf>, "man modprobe", "man modprobe.conf", /etc/modprobe.d/* , <blacklist>
07:12<dpkg>somebody said rmmod was a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead
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07:14<Nemoder>hm I thought rmmod also checked deps
07:14<Nemoder>or maybe it just aborts if there are any
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07:16<Nemoder>Herman: well then, try modprobe -r r8169; modprobe 8169
07:16<Nemoder>that should reload the debian driver, if it still doesn't work check dmesg for errors
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07:18<Herman>soory guys, something has come up. I'll try youre sugestions later and come back to you with the results.
07:18<Herman>Anyway thanks for your help so far
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07:26<taziden>thanks enouf
07:28<enouf>np taziden
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07:49<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on
07:49<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
07:50<torrr>Unknown SystemGroup "lpadmin" on line 13, ignoring!
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07:51<torrr>my cups is hanged :/
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07:58<torrr>E [28/Sep/2008:14:56:44 +0300] PID 2871 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd) crashed on signal 9!
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08:35<torrr>anyone knows this cups problem in etch 1.2.7 cups ?
08:35<torrr>E [28/Sep/2008:14:56:44 +0300] PID 2871 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd) crashed on signal 9!
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08:36<qpuo>why is debian better than ubuntu??
08:36<abrotman>!why debian
08:36<dpkg> or
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08:51<torrr>qpuo, the #debian is better then the #ubuntu
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09:01<LinuxReign>Good Day, I have a question
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09:04<tzafrir_laptop>LinuxReign, try asking it, then
09:04<LinuxReign>I would like that nautilus open 1 single window browser instead of several during browsing, is that possible?
09:05<LinuxReign>for me is a little difficult to explain
09:05<cahoot>tried gconf-editor?
09:05<LinuxReign>i was, will take a look again
09:06<magellanino>for remove gnome and install kde what's command do?
09:06<cahoot>!remove gnome
09:06<dpkg>hmm... remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common
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09:06<magellanino>aptitude remove gdm gnome
09:06<aptitude>magellanino: are you using Windows?
09:08<LinuxReign>I'm clueless, i have gconf-editor and there are several options, dunno where to look
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09:15<blueeyez>hi debian users, im new and wondering is it not possible to get firefox running on debian?
09:15<avu>blueeyez, we have iceweasel
09:16<LinuxReign>try iceweasel which is already installed by default, you will be impressed
09:16<avu>it's the same esxcept for the name and the icon..
09:16<blueeyez>is there add ons to it?
09:16<avu>you can use firefox addons
09:16<LinuxReign>same as FF
09:16<avu>as I said, just the name and the icons are different
09:16<avu>other than that, it's just firefox
09:17<LinuxReign>avu is right
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09:21<blueeyez>is there a add on that is like video downloadhelper? or can i use video downloadhelper on debian?
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09:25<shay>there is no mod_gzip in Debian Lenny?
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09:27<tzafrir_laptop>shay, have you tried a2enmod ?
09:27<tzafrir_laptop>what about mod_deflate?
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09:28<shay>tzafrir_laptop: Hi, there is no gzip or mod_gzip in /etc/apache2/mods-available
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09:28<shay>tzafrir_laptop: what's the difference beteween mod_deflate and mod_gzip?
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09:40<blueeyez>any debian user that does know how to connect a ntfs drive?:I
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09:44<dannys>blueeyez:apt-get install ntfs-3g
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09:45<dannys>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdx /media/sdx -o force
09:45<dannys>blueeyez: /dev/sdx=your disk
09:46<blueeyez>2 sek gonna try it
09:46<dannys>blueeyez: /media/sdx=your direcrory to mount the drive
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09:49<blueeyez>didnt work:(
09:49<blueeyez>tried it on normal terminal and the root terminal
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09:51<dpkg>one warez list being sent to salgado
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09:57<Antonio>alguien sabe español
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10:02<qpuo>hi, installed debian:) will #aptitude remove evolution be a good idea.. I dont want evolution.. but it sais it will remove gnome-desktop-environment alsmo..
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10:02<chocobask>hi do you spike spanish?
10:03<qpuo>i do
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10:03<chocobask>hablas español?
10:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:06<qpuo>is it possible to remove evolution without taking down the whole desktopenvironment? using aptitude remove evolution?
10:07<tzafrir_laptop>gnome-desktop-environment is a meta-package . You don't really need it installed on your system
10:07<qpuo>but will gnome dissapear if i remove evolution?
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10:10<cahoot>qpuo: I've tried twice - no good results - might just me though
10:11<blueeyez>somebody here speaking danish?
10:12<qpuo>i do
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10:17<initiate>hi, silly me, removed some pckgs and now i don't have a tray bar ... any ideas how to get it back?
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10:19<fxiny>initiate: kde ?
10:19<initiate>gmp,e fxiny
10:20<fxiny>try resetting it : mv ~/.gnome ~/.gnome_old , then log out/in
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10:23<initiate>well that didn't work :/
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10:24<qpuo>how do i install flashplayer for iceweasel? possible to use aptitude here?
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10:35<abrotman>qpuo: which version of debian ?
10:35<abrotman>initiate: is gnome-panel installed ?
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10:38<qpuo>the newest amd64
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10:48<initiate>gnome-pannel it was, thanks
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10:49<initiate>these dependancies kinda bug me though, i'd really like to get rid of tons of programs, but it turns out they depend on something else :/
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11:08<qpuo>im running amd64 version. All very nice but a few things.. Cant install the programs i like.. not even mplayer is there a way of installing 32 bits on a 64 or do i have to install the x86 versin instead?
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11:12<deniz>my spellcheck in 2.0 writer keeps defaulting to english and I want to put it to french can someone please help because I am doing a french homework assignment
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11:14<dpkg>well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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11:15<deniz>noflash, i wasnt asking for help IN FRENCH, im asking in english how do i make the dictionary default to french?
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11:16<noflash>deniz, I have no idea :) maybe they know in the french channel ;)
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11:31<cahoot> installed?
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11:35<stevecotton>cahoot: deniz has already left the channel :(
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11:37<qpuo>is it possible to use 32 bits programs on my 64 bits linux?
11:38<qpuo>looks like very few program support 64..
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11:39<stevecotton>qpuo - see the ia32-libs package
11:40<qpuo>ok thanks:) is that something i can install with aptitude or apt get?
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12:01<nubbun>If I want cached deb files on another FS, can I just put/var/cache/apt/archives on the other FS, or do I need /var/cache/apt because of pkgcache.bin? I would be having different apt versions sharing the cache.
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12:08<davi>Will GNOME 2.24 be included in lenny?
12:08<kapil>davi: no. lenny is frozen and currently contains 2.22
12:09<davi>thanks kapil
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12:13<fxiny>nubbun: same box or another one ?
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12:16<nubbun>fxiny: could be shared between sparc and x86.
12:18<fxiny>nubbun: apt-proxy ? i use apt-cacher
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12:19<nubbun>fxiny: i'm not familiar with either. Recommendations?
12:19<fxiny>and i have my sources.list pointin to local repo )dirs)
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12:20<fxiny>nubbun: i can't recommand apt-caher or apt-proxy . i just happen to use apt-cacher
12:21<nubbun>If it is only 1 box at a time, can i then avoid a network service?
12:21<fxiny>yes , apt-cacher does it very well
12:21<fxiny>as long as apcahe is running
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12:22<nubbun>thanks for the infos
12:22<fxiny>nubbun: np
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12:29<fxiny>nubbun: hold on : sparc and 386 ? i don't think it will work
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12:49<parecen>helix: does have some kind of leech protection?
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12:54<petemc>parecen: how would that work?
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12:55<avu>one could send out http error codes to clients that hit the site too fast, I've seen that done in quite a few wikis
12:56<parecen>petemc: after a few files i get a 503 with wget and now a 403. with the browser the site works as expected
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12:56<Danili>hi everybody
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12:59<Danili>debian to windows remote desktop how to do that??? i know there is putty and ssh on debian but as far as i remember it´s only terminal...
13:01<devzero>Danili: use an rdp client likr krdc, maybe
13:01<prolix>aptitude tinyvnc
13:01<aptitude>prolix: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
13:03<Danili>i have installed krdc but then i need a client om my windows to connect to krdc
13:03<parecen>somehow you need a client on windows either way
13:04<Danili>yes i know :P... i have putty right now
13:05<fxiny>Danili: ssh ? winscp
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13:05<simonrvn>aptitude: vnc
13:05<aptitude>extra, extra, read all about it, vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at, or, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>.
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13:05<kurumin>alguem da filewarez?
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13:07<Danili>Thanks simonrvn
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13:07<fxiny>kurumin : ask Shark Aussy :P
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13:09<cesurasean>I lost my admin password due to changing it so damn much, now I'm trying to use a mepis livecd to hack my password.
13:10<cesurasean>can someone please help me mount the harddrive, so I can run passwd?
13:10<cesurasean>how do I find out which /dev/ is my physical hard drives?
13:10<cesurasean>my system is running Debian etch 4, with mirror RAID.
13:10<cesurasean><slaps himself silly for his stoooopidity>
13:11<devzero>cesurasean: have you labeled your partitions, or can you mount them to find out which one's your root partition?
13:11<cesurasean>no labels. just average default install.
13:11<Scurz>which group can we use for nfs ? I mean, for a client who mounts /backup on the nfs server, which group can I put for /backup ? to allow the client to write into this directory
13:11<petemc>Danili: rdesktop does rdp
13:12<cesurasean>I can't mount anything is the problem. I don't know which dev is my physical hard drive
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13:13<devzero>is your '/' on raid too?
13:13<cesurasean>im actually using knoppix livecd. shall I be using debian also?
13:13<cesurasean>"/' is my root partition
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13:13<cesurasean>I haven't installed anything fancy. :)
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13:14<devzero>does knoppix's boot scripts find your md devices?
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13:15<rodrigo>do any have here ?
13:15<cesurasean>I need to passwd on my md device
13:15<cesurasean>shall I search through /dev/ dir to see if one exists?
13:15<cesurasean>h/o let me burn mepis and use that
13:15<rodrigo>can you speak portuguese ?
13:15<devzero>could you 'grep -i' for 'raid' in /var/log/messages and see if you find anything there
13:16<cesurasean>my uncle Sony Vio killed my mepis ( I almost cried on the spot )
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13:16<rodrigo>can you speak portuguese ?
13:16<devzero>'/' on a raid can get tricky
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13:17<cesurasean>let me go burn mepis, and grep. ill be back in about 30 minutes.
13:17<cesurasean>thank you
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13:18<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
13:19<h_s>how are you
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13:19<Danili>aptitude: vnc setup
13:19<aptitude>i heard vnc setup is Install x11vnc on the remote host and a vnc viewer on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost>; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! vnc securely tunneled over ssh!
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14:18<Enska>hello. I have a software raid / amd64 testing (nightly build) installer specific question.
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14:19<Enska>The problem is that i created a raid-5 pack from 3 hardrives. This was done with motherboard raid-software. Motherboard is asus m3n78-eh.
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14:20<Enska>When i try to install debian on the machine,the installer doesnt regocnice the raid-pack, but shows me the all three hardrives...
14:21<Enska>So how can set the installer to use the raid-pack?
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14:22<Enska>If i bypass the raid-controller on install stage, the whole install will probably crash on some stage, if the raid starts to work at some point...
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14:24<Enska>Is there some module for using the motherboard raid-controller or is the maybe easier to use raid on os-stage?
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14:28<dread>anyone know what firefox theme is in the screen shot on the awesome website?
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14:45<Enska>Or should i just buy a real hw based raid controller?
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14:46<Pryon>Enska: SATA?
14:47<Pryon>If so, see this:
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14:49<Enska>Pryon: thanks, i'll read it.
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14:50<vinnie3>noob here... need help getting sound working
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14:52<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on
14:52<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
14:53<amphi>vinnie3: ^^^
14:53<vinnie3>wow... looks complicated
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14:54<Pryon>vinnie3: you haven't run alsaconf, then
14:54<guilherme>i have reinstaled my debian and now it cant sleep, what is the problem??
14:54<amphi>vinnie3: first run alsaconf
14:55<vinnie3>i typed alsa-config and it cant be found
14:55<Pryon>why did you type alsa-config?
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14:55<vinnie3> alsaconf
14:57<vinnie3>it says no supported pnp or pci card found
14:57<vinnie3>i know i have onboard audio
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14:59<qq->vinnie3: do "uname -r"
14:59<amphi>vinnie3: what does 'lspci | grep Audio' say
14:59<vinnie3>as root?
14:59<qq->no , and tell us
14:59<amphi>not necessarily
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15:00<vinnie3>00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
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15:01<Torsten_W>kernel to old
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15:02<vinnie3>any sugjestions?
15:02<vad>about what?
15:02<vinnie3>cant get sound to work
15:02<qq->vinnie3: as root , aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
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15:03<guilherme>i have reinstaled my debian on my notebookand now it cant sleep, what is the problem??
15:03<guilherme>i have reinstaled my debian on my notebook and now it cant sleep, what is the problem??
15:03<vinnie3>qq-: installing now
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15:03<qq->vinnie3: after install reboot with that kernel
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15:04<vinnie3>qq-: rebooting...BRB
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15:05<ernis>guilherme: did you install acpi* packages?
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15:06<vinnie3>qq-: ok... im back
15:06<guilherme>ernis: i have installed the laptop at debian install
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15:10<guilherme>ernis: ernis: a saw aptitudde now and the package acpi-suport isnt installed, if i install that this will correct the problem??? maybe??
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15:16<mickey>when I try to install libncurses5_5.5-5_i386.deb it shows the following error:
15:16<mickey>dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy
15:16<mickey>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2
15:17<mickey>does anybody know how to fix this?
15:18<qq->apt-get update
15:18<Enska>hmm, booting the installer with dmraid=true option didnt still recognice the software based raid pack... Disc-dtect gives error, it doesnt find the target type ("raid456")
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15:20<qq->mickey: and than >>> apt-get install --reinstall libncurses5
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15:21<qq->or use aptitude
15:21<mickey>qq-: I'm already up-to-date, i'll try this then
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15:21<mickey>qq-: Reinstallation of libncurses5 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
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15:23<qq->mickey: ?
15:23<mickey>qq-: that is the output of the --reinstall command
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15:23<qq-> install --reinstall libncurses5
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15:24<mickey>qq-: yup
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15:25<mickey>Reading package lists... Done
15:25<mickey>Building dependency tree... Done
15:25<mickey>Reinstallation of libncurses5 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
15:25<mickey>thats what i get when i execute: apt-get install --reinstall libncurses5
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15:26<KdaCMC>Hi all! Please, help me. There is a D-Link router in office, and Debian server after it with DHCP's internal IP. Router forwards port 80 (and some other) to server, but it works from out world, not from local network. Is it possible to access server by external IP?
15:27<qq->mickey: try with >>> install --reinstall libncurses*
15:28<mickey>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
15:28<mickey> libncurses5-dev: Depends: libncurses5 (= 5.5-5) but 5.6+20080830-1 is to be installed
15:28<mickey> Depends: libc-dev
15:28<mickey> libncursesw5-dev: Depends: libc-dev
15:28<mickey>E: Broken packages
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15:29<Tengu>mickey: check versions. maybe you have backported packages, and it can seriously mess up apt.
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15:29<mickey>the current version is 5.6
15:29<mickey>but... i need to install 5.5
15:29<qq->hehe , so why want libncurses5 , must use the current in your distrib
15:30<Tengu>or have you touched /etc/apt/preferences file, mickey ?
15:30<mickey>because i cant do make menuconfig
15:30<qq->you are in sid ?
15:30<Pryon>KdaCMC: Why don't the internal network clients use the web server's internal address?
15:30<mickey>bacause i can't intall curses
15:30<mickey>Tengu: nope...
15:30<mickey>qq-: no, i'm in etch
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15:31<qq->mickey: so you mixed your sources
15:31<Tengu>long live backport !
15:31<KdaCMC>Pryon: Yes, it's possible, but there is such a thing --- some people have notebooks, I also want to provide them mail server, and not to reconfigure it when go from home to office
15:31<mickey>oh, yes, that's possible...
15:32<Tengu>mickey: maybe purge packages and dependences. and reinstall
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15:32<qq->mickey: yes , but must to know how to work with ...
15:32<mickey>ok, it doesnt matter why did I do that, but i first did apt-get update for lenny
15:32<Tengu>I had such a problem on ubuntu with bad subversion versions after an upgrade to hardy. it's the same case, apparently.
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15:32<mickey>and then i needed something fast
15:32<mickey>because i have a slow connection here
15:33<mickey>and a dvd with some old debian
15:33<Tengu>mickey: so your system is half-etch, half-lenny ?
15:33<mickey>3. smth
15:33<mickey>it's not...
15:33<qq->yous system is likely brocken
15:33<Tengu>"but i first did apt-get update for lenny" <- and you said you're with etch. ?
15:33<mickey>not dist-upgrade
15:33<mickey>or upgrade
15:34<mickey>just update
15:34<Tengu>but your package list is for LENNY
15:34<Tengu>->> be sure your sources in apt are for etch
15:34<Tengu>then, apt-get update
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15:34<mickey>most probably
15:34<mickey>well i did that :)
15:34<Tengu>or maybe you installed packages right after your update ?
15:35<Tengu>if so, those packages are from lenny, same for direct deps.
15:35<Tengu>->> unistall them, and intall etch versions.
15:35<mickey>deb-src etch main contrib non-free
15:35<mickey>deb etch/updates main contrib
15:35<mickey>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
15:35<mickey>deb etch main contrib non-free
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15:35<saw-nico>ya quelqu'un ?
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15:35<Tengu>it's english in here, saw-nico
15:35<saw-nico>test de xchat maintenant
15:35<saw-nico>ok sorry
15:36<Tengu>but apparently your xchat works fine ;)
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15:36<mickey>that was
15:36<mickey>my sourse.list
15:36<Tengu>mickey: use #flood or some nopaste site :->
15:36<mickey>yeah i know
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15:36<mickey>its much easier to paste it here something this small
15:37<Tengu>and you don't have any backport ?
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15:37<mickey>Tengu: i've just installed lets say a debian 3.4 or smth
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15:37<mickey>and then I upgraded it
15:37<mickey>etch of cours
15:38<mickey>and then
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15:38<mickey>i changed my source.list
15:38<Tengu>so you installed sarge, upgrade -> etch, put some lenny sources, update, and... ?
15:38<mickey>and did update
15:38<mickey>and when i realised i need to download 1.5 GB of data
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15:39<Tengu>that's nice :P
15:39<mickey>i reversed it to etch
15:39<mickey>for now
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15:39<mickey>till i find some fast internet connection :)
15:40<qq-> anyway downgrade is not supported
15:40<Tengu>qq-: when we just change list, yes
15:40<Enska>umm, so dmraid command gives me: "dmraid -ay (enter) error: device-mapper target type "raid456" not in kernel"
15:40<Tengu>qq-: but if we install a package, then try to downgrade, there's a mess :)
15:40<Enska>even thought i just modprobe it
15:40<qq->he just has lenny/sid ncurces
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15:41<mickey>whats the lastest version for etch?
15:41<mickey>5.5 ?
15:41<Tengu>mickey: and when you revert your sources, did you update apt ?
15:41<mickey>yes of course
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15:42<Tengu>doesn't seemto be the case, else you cannot have sid/lenny version...
15:42<mickey>well, maybe i did installed something
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15:42<mickey>i don't recall really :(
15:42<Tengu>mickey: that's pretty sure as far as I can see....
15:42<mickey>stupid me...
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15:43<mickey>so, how do i uninstall just libncourses
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15:43<Tengu>mickey: apt-get remove --purge libncurses
15:43<mickey>libncurses* without having to remove all those
15:43<qq->08 Sep 27 21:30:53 <mickey> the current version is 5.6
15:43<mickey>and for etch?
15:44<Tengu>it will most likely remove direct deps. but they will come back as soon as you install libncurses.
15:44<mickey>4.0.4 ?
15:44<mickey>so i should not be worring about all those deps?
15:44<qq->mickey: my hope , upgrade to lenny and be happy
15:44<mickey>i will :D
15:45<qq->or reinstall etch
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15:46<mickey>Tengu: will i have some problems because the deps list is that big that it tells me to write 'Yes, do as I say!'
15:46<mickey>if i want to continue
15:46<Tengu>mickey: most likely.
15:46<Tengu>as libncurse is a sort of basic lib on which almost all the system is based....
15:46<mickey>yeah, i kinda realized that
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15:47<Tengu>mickey: best way is either to fully upgrade to lenny, or reinstall a clean etch.
15:47<mickey>ok... thnx :)
15:48<Tengu>such a basic lib can really mess up when it's broken.
15:48<mickey>that was what i wanted to hear
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15:48<Tengu>[or when we remove it..]
15:48<Tengu>it's like when you remove complete python support on your system :P
15:48<Tengu>so... for now.... gn8 all. and good luck mickey ;)
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15:49<mickey>Tengu, qq- : thanks...
15:51<Tengu><troll inside> mickey, you should use a package manager which can handle different program versions. portage, for instance [on gentoo :P] </inside>
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15:58<guilherme>my notebook cant sleep, what can i do to correct it??
15:58<kp>slap it around
15:59<kp>j/k </smartasscomment>
15:59<prolix>give it some whiskey
16:00<kp>guilherme, you may want to provide more details about your lappy, OS so others can help....
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16:00<guilherme>kp: i'm using debian lenny, on a hp 6871
16:01<guilherme>kp: i've instaled the system today, i used other version of debian lenny and dont have this problem (the same note)
16:02<kp>So you have 2 of the same notebooks with lenny and only one lappy has this issue?
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16:03<guilherme>kp, no, i have reinstaled the system today
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16:04<kp>guilherme, what kernel are you on?
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16:06<zepard>hi, how can I try emacs-snapshot? no description and not installable, any idea?
16:06<guilherme>i think 2.6
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16:06<zepard>running sid..
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16:06<zepard>running sid...
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16:07<guilherme>kp, 2.2.26-1
16:07<guilherme>kp, 2.6.26-1, sorry
16:08<kp>any errors, or it just does not go into hibernate?
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16:10<guilherme>kp, it cant sleep and the cooler stay at the same speed every time
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16:11<kp>guilherme, you have the latest BIOS?
16:11<kp>fan speeds that dont act normal is usually firmware/bios issue...
16:12<guilherme>kp, i dont change that
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16:13<guilherme>kp, this i noted in my older system, in vista the fan changes more than in linux
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16:15<kp>guilherme, I'm assuming you've updated the system thru apt-get update/upgrade, rebooted and still seeing same issue?
16:15<guilherme>kp, and now i think it is more evident
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16:16<guilherme>kp, no, i format and download the new cd testing and instaled, sorry for my english
16:18<kp>guilherme, If thats the case then you may have an outdated package that needs to be updated. try 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
16:18<kp>guilherme, trying to get the easy stuff outa of the way :)
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16:21<guilherme>kp, i did 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' and dont solved the problem
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16:23<kp>guilherme, So did it say there are no updates, or what happened? I want to make sure you're system has all the updates/patches for your distro...
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16:27<guilherme>kp, it fails in same mirror, but i've downloaded this cd today i think it is up to date
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16:30<kp>guilherme, if you downloaded the CD today, and installed and have not done updates then I doubt your system is up to date. Failing on mirrors? That's not a good sign. Does this machine have connectivty to the internet?
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16:31<guilherme>kp, yes
16:31<guilherme>kp, maybe i configured sources.list wrong
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16:32<kp>guilherme, k,good. You may want to look over your sources.lst and make sure all the sources you want are uncommented, and that there is no extra characters
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16:34<guilherme>kp, this is my file now
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16:41<guilherme>kp, what, dom u think, if i install the older version that i talked tha worked ok, this will be corrected??
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16:41<blal>Any recommendations for a gui to manage iptables rules?
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16:43<blal>firestarter is kind of ghey, so any others?
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16:43<blal>("ghey" = difficult to do much beyond very basic things)
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16:44<qq_>guilherme: this must be your sources list >
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16:44<simonrvn>ghey is just another word for gay. it's stupid and totally contrary to what the word fucking means.
16:45<simonrvn>gui for iptables: an editor.
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17:10<narcissus>This is a bit of a newbie question but... I have installed Debian Lenny from a DVD, however I want to use debian servers for apt instead of the DVD, I've tried editing sources.list but I keep getting errors. I am behind a HTTP proxy
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17:14<[machine]>narcissus: apt-get honours http_proxy
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17:15<[machine]>or you can add a file to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d that contains the line Acquire::HTTP::Proxy "http://ip:port/"
17:15<kp>http proxy would be better set in your profile bashrc file
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17:15<kp>he's gone tho
17:15<[machine]>ah well ;)
17:15<kp>he prolly googled it and found an answer :)
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17:42<deco>I have the firmware iwlwifi-and network-manager installed
17:42<deco>Now, how I see my wireless network in a visual way?
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17:44<Lethalman>deco, click on the network-manager icon
17:45<deco>there is not icon
17:45<Lethalman>deco, install network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde
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17:50<jspiros>I'm thinking I'm missing something obvious here, but I'm using the lenny beta2 d-i netinst package, and it's working, but, debootstrap fails when it cannot verify signatures
17:50<deco>Lethalman,it was installed
17:51<jspiros>I'm guessing that's because testing is a moving target, but, is there a solution?
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17:51<deco>ii network-manager 0.6.6-2 network management framework (GNOME frontend)
17:51<jspiros>no apt-key and I don't even think deboostrap uses apt
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18:26<cesurasean><--- trying to shake government hackers.
18:26<prolix>cesurasean: run!
18:26<cesurasean><---- counter intelligence ;0
18:26<cesurasean>run where?
18:26<cesurasean>Bush has this place on lock down
18:27<cesurasean>the army does, at least.
18:27<awatkins>Target is on the move
18:27<awatkins>Oh, crap, that was meant to be in a msg
18:27<cesurasean>I'll get a hair cut, change my clothes, make myself 10 ft tall, then go to Canada. :D
18:28<cesurasean>oh, and grow my beard out :P
18:28<cesurasean>Mexico is nice too though. I know some Spanish, enough to pass by.
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18:28<cesurasean>I thought about going to Vancouver though.
18:28<cesurasean>Just me, and my craptop.
18:28<qq_>!tell cesurasean about ot
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18:29<cesurasean>thanks qq
18:29<cesurasean>I needed that.
18:29<cesurasean>shake em' and break em'
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18:32<figo>ciao a tutti ho un problema il mio firefoz versione 3.0.3 si blocca nel senso che si chiude e poi devo riavviarlo
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18:33<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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18:38<ooddtod>which is better for someone starting out debian or ubuntu?
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18:39<noflash>!tell ooddtod -about why debian
18:39<enouf>amphi: + and (for recent final draft of scam) <--- both are DDoS'd now, lmao ..
18:40<enouf>amphi: i gotta go out for a bit now - bbl
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18:41<amphi>enouf: you might enjoy (if you haven't seen it already)
18:43<prolix>lean and mean indeed
18:44<prolix>i've never read the why debian thing until just now
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18:47<KangarooBox>I've been looking for a way to control my server from a web browser and havent had much luck in the repositories. I know WebMin is one answer but its pretty old and depreciated.
18:47<KangarooBox>I'm looking for a WebMin "lite" I guess.
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18:48<KangarooBox>I really only want to do a couple of simple things. Change the hostname, update the time, configure the network.
18:48<KangarooBox>Does anyone have any thoughts on a good way to do this?
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18:56<guilherme>how can i install a .tar.gz in debian? i remenber somethign with dpkg
18:58<noflash>KangarooBox, I like a text editor
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18:58<prolix>aptitude tell guilherme -about source
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18:59<KangarooBox>noflash: Yes, but I want it to be something web based that an end user can operate.
18:59<KangarooBox>noflash: I really dont want my users/customers fooling around on the command line. :)
19:00<themill>they shouldn't be changing hostname or time though
19:00<guilherme>i have to install the lib igraph but i cnt make the deb file, i try to use ./configure , make, make install and it didnt work
19:00<prolix>aptitude tell guilherme -about module assistant
19:01<themill>prolix: is it a kernel module?
19:01<prolix>themill: doesn't look like it
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19:02<prolix>thank you
19:02<guilherme>how can i get the information prolix?
19:02<prolix>the information about?
19:02<amphi>guilherme: what do you mean, "didn't work"?
19:03<guilherme>when i try to compile something that uses that lib it cant compile
19:04<amphi>perhaps you need to tell it to look for includes under /usr/local/includ
19:04<amphi>without an error message, it's hard to tell
19:05<panagos>guilherme: at what step does it fail? ./configure, make, or make install?
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19:07<prolix>deb /packages/binary/
19:07<prolix>deb-src /packages/source/
19:08<guilherme>could u help me to install that lib?? igraph
19:08<prolix>apt-get install libigraph libigraph-dev python-igraph
19:09<prolix>guilherme: add the first two lines to your sources.list then use apt-get install or aptitude install and install it that way
19:09<prolix>the lines that begin with deb
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19:10<prolix>that should put me back at 0 for time karma
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19:12<guilherme>it could not find the package whe i use apt-get install libigraph libigraph-dev python-igraph
19:13<guilherme>my system is amd 64 i think i have to recompile, right?
19:14<prolix>guilherme: did you add the appropriate repos to your sources.list first?
19:14<prolix>add the following two lines to your sources.list:
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19:14<themill>guilherme: did you apt-get update?
19:15<prolix>themill: i've been saved twice
19:15<prolix>thank you
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19:15<guilherme>i type now apt-get source libigraph libigraph-dev python-igraph, and it is working, but i dont know how to continue
19:15<themill>prolix: it might be that the packages are i386 only, not amd64 too.
19:16<prolix>themill: that makes perfect sense
19:16<guilherme>but it works on amd64, i used it on amd64
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19:17<guilherme>now i have the source, what i need to do to compile it??
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19:18<amphi>guilherme: cd into the toplevel src dir, and do dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us
19:19<themill>prolix: seems to be i386 only indeed:
19:19<themill>but the debian-ised source is still a good start
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19:20<prolix>themill: thank you again. i should read more and type less
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19:21<guilherme>dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us show an error
19:21<guilherme>tail: não foi possível abrir `debian/changelog' para leitura: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado
19:22<guilherme>dpkg-buildpackage: failure: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1
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19:23<amphi>guilherme: you're in the right directory?
19:23<amphi>it should be in the src dir below the one with the tarball etc. in it
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19:26<guilherme>yes, /home/guilherme/igraph-0.5.1/src/
19:26<guilherme>?? right?
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19:27<amphi>guilherme: that does not appear ro be from a src deb
19:28<guilherme>the apt-get source libigraph libigraph-dev python-igraph downloaded files at /home/guilherme/
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19:29<guilherme>4 files 2 .tar and 2 .dsc
19:30<guilherme>what i did wrong??
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19:31<themill>guilherme: it would seem that you should be in /home/guilherme/igraph-0.5.1/ when you run dpkg-buildpackage
19:31<guilherme>i tried, but get the same error
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19:33<guilherme>ow sorry, i did taht now and got a neww error
19:33<themill>guilherme: that's progress then :)
19:33<guilherme>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 4.0.0)
19:34<guilherme>dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
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19:34<guilherme>dpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.)
19:35<themill>guilherme: aptitude install debhelper build-essential
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19:36<guilherme>ok, now it is working
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19:37<guilherme>i did and now try that first comand and it seems working
19:39<guilherme>is it finished if it complete ok??
19:40<themill>yes. you'll probably also need to do the same for python-igraph if you care about that package. Use dpkg -i to install the .debs that were created.
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19:43<guilherme>ok i think it made the debs ok
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19:47<guilherme>ok it was installed
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19:50<jamuraa>lenny beta2 installer wins over etch 4.0r4 for installation on my friend's new computer
19:52<guilherme>when i try to compile an example i got errors
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19:55<guilherme>ok, now it works!!!
19:55<guilherme>thanks for all that helped me!!!!!!!1
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19:56<guilherme>thanks very much u saved me, thanks very very much, sorry for typing that!
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21:23<Kaigeos>kinda quiet here tonight
21:23<arthrotec>Is it?
21:23<Kaigeos>not now
21:24<Kaigeos>so how are you tonight?
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21:24<Kaigeos>hehehe kill -9
21:24<Kaigeos>I suppose he's everyones friend..
21:25<arthrotec>Fair. Just thought I''d do some lurking.
21:25<Kaigeos>unless you're 'kil 1 -9'
21:25<Kaigeos>same here.
21:25<Kaigeos>was taking a break from my apache setup.
21:26<Kaigeos>figure the package names for GD2 and netpb for use with apache2 and php5
21:26<Kaigeos>trying to figure out
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21:51<enouf>amphi: aye - thanks for the url
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21:52<sono>which proc file are see how many load my I/O
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21:53<enouf>sono: er .. uptime? why not try vmstat, maybe iostat? how about iotop?
21:53<kraft>i had some questions about lenny install on macbook, is this the right channel?
21:53<sono>need for my script. Cannot execute a program all one second
21:53<enouf>kraft: there info at
21:53<enouf>sure though - ask away
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21:54<enouf>macbook is intel cpu?
21:54<kraft>i saw that, and it appears fairly old
21:54<kraft>intel yes
21:54<enouf>well, there are two there atleast
21:54<kraft>i was just wondering if there was a best way for dual boot
21:54<kraft>the wiki talks about many issues that now seem to be resolved
21:55<enouf>kraft: oh, the installer covers that a bit - though - hrm .. with EFI, sorry, i personally don't know :-/ rEFIt? bootcamp? hrm ...
21:55<enouf>!listvals macbook
21:55<dpkg>Factoid search of 'macbook' by value (3): understanding permissions ;; macbook ;; macbook install.
21:56<enouf>!macbook install
21:56<dpkg>somebody said macbook install was still under development but see:, or
21:56<kraft>thanks, i'll look through that other wiki
21:57<dr1v3r>guys i get the (time warp or clock problem) error when trying to update the public keys, any idea how i fix this please?
21:57<enouf>kraft: you might find a more general macbook using population over in, in channel ##linux or even #debian there - hrm, i wonder if there's a macbook/macintel debian mailing list ;-)
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21:58<enouf>dr1v3r: is this in a VM ?
21:58<kraft>i really just wanted to figure out the best way to do boot loader etc, and the debian wiki had a few options but i assume that was based on some stuff being broken
21:58<dr1v3r>sorry its my other box that i have installed deb onto, i am accessing it via SSH
21:58<kraft>the mactel seems more up to date, so that may be all i need
21:59<enouf>kraft: you could also ask in #debian-boot here on oftc
21:59<kraft>ooh, that sounds like exactly what i want...
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22:02<dr1v3r>enouf it is possible to map a CD drive from another computer isnt it? the cd drive is on a windows box and i want to map it from my deb box
22:03<donny>hi all. i have an etch system here that was out of commission for a couple months while i was traveling. i don't know if it's related to my trip, but APT keeps insisting that it can't verify any packages i want to install or upgrade. `apt-key update` is no help. any suggestions?
22:03<enouf>well, for burning over network ? or just use?
22:04<enouf>donny: apt-get update?
22:04<dr1v3r>just use, for example if i want to use the etch update cd, i can just have it on my windows box and map to it and install it that way
22:04<donny>enouf, thank you
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22:05<dr1v3r>donny also try /msg dpkg etch key
22:05<donny>dr1v3r, if you have the Windows software to create copy an image of the entire disc in your disc drive into a file on your windows system, you can transfer it to your etch system, mount it, and then upgrade?
22:05<enouf>donny: oh, i see, hrm, sounds like a debootstrap over network, or .. well, i guess you just need to get the net and samba? working during the install
22:05<donny>dr1v3r, will do
22:06<enouf>!tell donny -about no public key
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22:06<enouf>donny: which release are you using? cat /etc/debian_version
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22:07<donny>enouf, 4.0
22:07<dr1v3r>mount it on which system the deb one or the windows one?
22:07<donny>that's the latest stable version right?
22:07<enouf>!tell donny about security
22:07<dr1v3r> its already mounted on my windows one, i am trying to connect to the drive using my deb box
22:07<enouf>donny: 4.0r4
22:07<clint1986>donny: any chance we could have one of the errors to look at?
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22:08<clint1986>donny: if it's too long, use pastebin
22:08<clint1986>donny: also, do you have any non-official repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list?
22:08<donny>enouf's suggestion to use apt-get update worked
22:08<clint1986>oh right
22:08<donny>i should not have any other repositories
22:08<enouf>dr1v3r: i think you would use an IP as a mount to the drive, umount it in windows
22:09<clint1986>sorry, i wasn't paying enough attention
22:09<enouf>dr1v3r: but through samba , i might be overlooking something much simpler though - i'm tired
22:09<donny>clint1986, oh, yeah, your excessive help was a great burden. you should feel terrible. :P
22:10<clint1986>heh :p
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22:10<dr1v3r>will check em out guys thanks
22:10<donny>dr1v3r, oh, you want a general-purpose solution
22:11<donny>dr1v3r, for sharing *whatever* you put into a CD drive on a Windows system with your Etch system?
22:11<donny>dr1v3r, in a convenient manner?
22:11<enouf>donny: the debian reference covers many of the snags you might seem to run into - and much more
22:12<dr1v3r>no, i have the 3 deb DVD's and thje Deb update DVD on my windows box, i wanted to use my deb box to connect to these DVD's that i have mounted in daemontools so that i did not have to mess about with burnin them to disk
22:12<enouf>donny: i think he wants to use the CD, ISO over the network/LAN for installing from minimal debian box boot
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22:13<dr1v3r>enouf yea something like that would probs work :D
22:13<enouf>dr1v3r: that won't work, unless you follow a form of hd-media boot to start with , IINM
22:13<enouf>dr1v3r: the installer details various forms of that - netboot/hd-media/tftp
22:14<dr1v3r>all i want to do is install the etch update DVD :( but i dont want to nurn it to disk :(
22:14<donny>i didn't even realize windows file sharing (or samba for that matter) allowed sharing removable media
22:14<enouf>dr1v3r: also see if can help ;-)
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22:15<enouf>donny: i don't see why one can't mount an ISO over a network - mount -t iso9660 // /mnt/point ?
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22:16<enouf>erm add -o loop maybe? hrm .. maybe loop can't do network though - hrm .. dunno now
22:18<donny>enouf, first, share a folder from your windows system
22:18<donny>enouf, then place your disc image (iso) in the shared folder
22:19<donny>enouf, then from your debian system, mount the folder remotely so that it can be accessed from your debian system
22:19<donny>enouf, once you have access to the disc image, you can mount it
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22:19<enouf>makes sense - however, for installation purposes, who knows
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22:20<dr1v3r>how do i mount it
22:20<donny>enouf, oh, i assumed that you would be working from the comfort of your debian environment
22:20<dr1v3r>thats what i need to find out lol
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22:20<dr1v3r>Please :D
22:20<enouf>donny: there would be no need to install then :-P
22:20<donny>dr1v3r, you smbmount i think
22:21<donny>enouf, ah, i thought you just wanted to update
22:21<enouf>dr1v3r: what? the samba share? or the ISO?
22:21<donny>enouf, both, in that order.
22:22<dr1v3r>i need to make a link to my windows share
22:22<enouf>donny: setting up a local mirror on one's LAN is more straight forward
22:22<dr1v3r>I.E in windoews i would use \\PCname\share
22:22<donny>that "link" will be done by creating an empty directory (if it doesn't already exist) and then using (i think) the smbmount command
22:22<dr1v3r>how do i di it in deb lol
22:22<dpkg>[smbmount] 'smbmount //HOST/SHARE PASS -c 'mount MOUNT_POINT''
22:23<dr1v3r>command not found, but i have just installed samba
22:23<donny>dr1v3r, install samba utils or whatever
22:23<enouf>mount -t smbs // /mount/point
22:24<donny>enouf, can you really just give it the drive letter? i thought you had to use whatever designation you gave the folder/drive you've shared with Windows FIle Sharing
22:25<enouf>donny: i only ever did smbfs on win98, and people using win2k or higher should use CIFS
22:25<donny>if you're going to be working with a Windows File Sharing share quite a lot, note that you may get some weird lock-ups because you're using a filesystem which is subject to things like network latency and availability
22:25<enouf>donny: right though - /192.x.x.x/sharename
22:26<enouf>donny: you could call your sharename C: though :-P
22:26<donny>can shar enames have colons? :P
22:26<enouf>yep - though silly
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22:27<donny>i don't believe it
22:27<enouf>you might need //192.x.x.x/C\:
22:27<donny>i bet SAMBA wouldn't object to the colon
22:27<donny>but i bet WINDOWS would
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22:28<john>hello, has someone installed pascal in knoppix?
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22:29<donny>/nick abrot ??? ;)
22:29<abrotman>john: try #knoppix on freenode
22:29<donny>or brtmn?
22:30<enouf> /nick 5five
22:30<donny>/nick Sfive
22:30<abrotman>hifiv ?
22:30<enouf> /nick five5
22:30*donny is high
22:31<enouf> /nick ^five
22:31<enouf>dr1v3r: how's it going?
22:31<dr1v3r>bloody hell this aint working :9
22:31<dr1v3r>i cant get the mount command right lol
22:31<john>abrotman: you know?
22:32<enouf>dr1v3r: what is the debian box running now? a full debian install?
22:32<abrotman>john: try #knoppix on freenode
22:32<enouf>a minimal boot?
22:32<dr1v3r>i have only installed DVD1
22:32<donny>dr1v3r, yeah the error you'll get for a failed mount is often EXTREMELY cryptic
22:32<dr1v3r>i think it was a minumal boot
22:32<enouf>dr1v3r: i full DVD is a LOT of software ;-)
22:32<enouf>er 1
22:32<donny>yeah, imagine what you could do with 1 DVD *drive*
22:33<dr1v3r>i am sure it was min boot,
22:33<enouf>dr1v3r: my point is this - do you need the remote DVDs/Drives for Installation? or for just a Local Mirror?
22:33<enouf>dr1v3r: how did you boot? with a DVD?
22:34<enouf>dr1v3r: we need specifics man
22:34<enouf>otherwise - you're on your own
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22:35<donny>enouf, the force is with him
22:37<dr1v3r>yes i booted with a dvd
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22:37<donny>my internet connection sucks :(
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22:38<donny>hola Kaigeos
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22:39<Kaigeos>hi donny
22:40<Kaigeos>I was wondering if anyone has found a linux driver to work with eigther a Dynex or Belkin USB wifi adapter? or if there is a way to use NDISwrapper with a net-install
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22:41<donny>Kaigeos, naming the brand that appears on your adapter isn't always a great deal of help. what's actually inside many of those things is often manufactured by another company altogether.
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22:41<donny>Kaigeos, a *modelname* is good help
22:42<guilherme>what is the command to choose java vm??
22:42<abrotman>maybe .. if it has one .. otherwise .. just install one
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22:42<Kaigeos>yea sorry, just seeing if I got a bite first
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22:43<guilherme>just update-alternatives?
22:44<Kaigeos>Dynex DX-WGUSB wireless G or Belkin F507050 USB wireless G
22:44<john>hello, someone knows how install pascal in debian?
22:45<abrotman>john: try #knoppix on freenode
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22:45<guilherme>java update-alternatives did not work here
22:45<donny>guilherme, update-alternatives --config ajva
22:45<donny>guilherme, update-alternatives --config java
22:46<donny>guilherme, there are other analogous commands to be run for choosing a Java Applet browser plugin, and which package should provide the Java developer tools
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22:47<guilherme>thanks donny, thanks very much
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22:48<donny>guilherme, that article got me through when i wanted to do Tomcat 5.5 development and testing on Etch
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22:49<dr1v3r>enouf i would like them there for installation ( not fresh installation ) but if that can not be done then local mirror will do. If its worth having
22:50<donny>dr1v3r, you could ask your ISP to set up a mirror. i once begged my ISP for months to set up a mirror which customers could have non-internet-bandwidth-restricted access to (because the bottleneck is in your internet service plan, not in your DSL connection, typically)
22:50<gsimmons>Kaigeos: Did you mean the Belkin F5D7050?
22:51<gsimmons>!tell Kaigeos -about f5d7050
22:51<guilherme>thanks donny, now everything is ok here
22:51<donny>guilherme, i guess you don't live in america then :\
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22:52<dr1v3r>basically. this etch update dvd thats available from will i have to put it onto a disk to install it?
22:52<guilherme>i'm from Brazil, i know my english isn't good
22:52<donny>dr1v3r, no, i keep telling you this. you just have to mount it remotely
22:52<Kaigeos>thanks, let me look for those in the list here, and try each one.
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22:54<z>is there someone online here ?
22:54<z>i want to ask you some questions
22:54<fora-da-lei>what are you looking for, z?
22:55<dr1v3r>i cant get it to mount remotely :(
22:55<z>do you know from where i can download the cd to install debian on my computer?
22:55<dpkg>i guess netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
22:55<dr1v3r>i have tried samba and also mount but not working :(
22:55<abrotman>!tell z about ig
22:55<Kaigeos>thanks, but no help there. :/
22:55<fora-da-lei>download the iso file
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22:56<Kaigeos>whould I have better luck with a full install of debian then if the usb wifi isn't detected use NDISwrapper?
22:56<Kaigeos>rather then net install
22:56<z>fora-da-lei i need to download only 1 cd ?
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22:57<fora-da-lei>yes, just 1
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22:57<fora-da-lei>z, the others are extras
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22:57<fora-da-lei>z: you can download it later, with synaptic... for installation, download only the DVD 1
22:57<fora-da-lei>or netinstall
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22:58<z>i will download only the netinstall
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22:58<fora-da-lei>z, if you have a good connection, it's probably the best choice
22:58<Kaigeos>downloading the dvd now.
22:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 318] by debhelper
22:59<Kaigeos>grabbed the bittorrent
22:59<Kaigeos>16 MB/sec
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22:59<fora-da-lei>Kaigeos: nice :)
22:59<fora-da-lei>I have a poor connection here... I downloaded the DVD iso about 32k/s :(
22:59<z>i have good connection too
22:59<donny_>wouldn't it be weird if someone wrote 16 MB s^-1 instead of 16 MB/s? i saw that today when measuring MW/g
23:00<fora-da-lei>z, use netinstall then
23:00<z>about 5/10MB/s
23:00<sono>anyone a idea, where i can read from proc dir the i/o wait value?
23:00<donny_>i mean MW h / g
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23:00<Kaigeos>does debian come with NDISwrapper if I wind up needing it?
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23:00<z>fora-da-lei if i want to connect to my internet
23:00<donny>sono, what i/o wait value?
23:00<z>then i need to change my mac adress
23:00<fora-da-lei>sono: I dont know if you can do that in proc dir... you can install a package for that
23:01<sono>processor waiting for write or read from harddisk
23:01<fora-da-lei>z, I didnt get it
23:01<fora-da-lei>why to change the mac?
23:02<z>i have internet connection on this pc
23:02<z>and my ip is based from this mac adress
23:02<donny>does the CPU really do any waiting on I/O in-process? doesn't the kernel tell the processor to do *something else*
23:02<dr1v3r>ok i have use mount -t tmpfs \\\debup /media/cdrom0/ now how do i view the mounted files?
23:02<dr1v3r>i have gone to cdrom0 dir and done dir but does not show anything
23:02<fora-da-lei>ah ok
23:02<donny>sono, what is your ultimate goal?
23:02<z>i need some program to change the mac ?
23:03<donny>dr1v3r, you mean 'ls' surely
23:03<fora-da-lei>z: no... ifconfig command can do that
23:03<fora-da-lei>z: ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00112233445566
23:03<Kaigeos>ok, something else I was looking for, i've got the hange of apt-get and love it. made setting up apache2, php5, mysql 5.0 painless... but now I want GD2, Netpb, ImageMagic all for php. and having trouble finding them with apt-get
23:03<fora-da-lei>z: eth0 must be down to change mac
23:04<donny>Kaigeos, try aptitude or the synaptic package manager?
23:04<dr1v3r>donny yes sorry man, lol
23:04<dr1v3r>it is not showing anything when i type ls
23:04<Kaigeos>didn't know about aptitude. and guess i should have looked through synaptic more then the glancing i did
23:04<donny>Kaigeos, or try `apt-cache search php5-`
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23:04<Kaigeos>ahhh. didn't know a bout that one
23:05<donny>dr1v3r, you can /msg me a log of what commands you've run if you think it'll help me understand what you've done, because i don't.
23:05<Kaigeos>I have a nicely working copy of Debian in a VMware image on my windoz box
23:06<donny>dr1v3r, or /msg dpkg paste and use one of the links it gives you
23:06<Kaigeos>even setup vbulletin and all
23:06<Kaigeos>a swg server
23:06<donny>scalable wetcor graphics
23:06<Kaigeos>and was playing swg with the vmware debian as the server.
23:07*donny wonders what SWG really means
23:07<Kaigeos>Star Wars Galaxies
23:07<donny>is... that a good game?
23:07<Kaigeos>well for the emulated server is.
23:08<Kaigeos>Sony Online Entertainment ruined the one they charge for you to play.
23:08<Kaigeos>the swg emu server take you back to when the game was good. but it's not done yet. but it's pretty good so far.
23:09<donny>Kaigeos, sounds pretty sweet, i had a similar experience with Ultima Online in the 90s
23:09<Kaigeos>ahh, I did some scripts and ran a server with both sphere and runuo
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23:47<donny>when i installed python2.5 (alraedy had 2.4 installed) i got this message (among others) INFO: using unsupported version '/usr/bin/python2.5'
23:49<qq->donny: on etch ?
23:49<donny>qq-, yes
23:50<qq->python2.5 is for > lenny i tho
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23:50<donny>qq-, well i don't seem to have anything besides etch in my sources.list
23:51<qq->its enough
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