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01:43<kop>What's the preferred partitining tool? fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, parted?
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01:48<jm_>whatever suits you
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01:55<TMcTrain_>hy
01:55<TMcTrain_>i check the /proc/ dir if a process with "pid" is still active
01:56<TMcTrain_>but now some sub-processes got no entry in that directory, why's that?
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01:57<TMcTrain_>or is there an better way to check if theres still an active process with "PID"
01:57<TMcTrain_>?
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01:57<jm_>you can use ps
01:58<TMcTrain_>the call is within an perl script
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01:59<jm_>is it a child process or what?
01:59<TMcTrain_>yes
02:00<TMcTrain_>il check if child process is still running
02:00<jm_>then assume it's alive until SIGCHLD is received
02:00<TMcTrain_>now, its not so simple
02:00<TMcTrain_>its an redundand call of the script
02:00<jm_>but yeah, you should still see it in /proc
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02:02<TMcTrain_>ty
02:02<TMcTrain_>tx
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02:17<TMcTrain_>i found the error
02:17<TMcTrain_>its in the perl script itself
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02:38<MoL0ToV>hi to all! how to install amsn 0.97.2 on a debian etch?
02:38<MoL0ToV>in gentoo i unmask the unstable package, in debian how i can do this?
02:39<craigevil>!ssb
02:39<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
02:39<craigevil>MoL0ToV: ^
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02:40<MoL0ToV>is too complicated, i renounce, i have no time to spent for this
02:40<MoL0ToV>thanks
02:40<tzafrir_laptop>MoL0ToV, step (1) of it isn't
02:41<MoL0ToV>in this way i compile from sources instead than download precompiled packages?
02:41<tzafrir_laptop>ah, well, no stable backports
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02:42<MoL0ToV>what is a backport?
02:42<MoL0ToV>a source compiled for old libraries?
02:43<tzafrir_laptop>a backport is basically building the newer sources on your current system
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02:43<chealer>MoL0ToV: for old Debian suites, yes
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02:43<MoL0ToV>how i can see if exist a backport of amsn for debian etch?
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02:44<tzafrir_laptop>well, I see there isn't: http://packages.debian.org/amsn
02:45<MoL0ToV>at point 1) dpkg say "only for sid"
02:45<chealer>MoL0ToV: for official backports you can check the tzafrir_laptop's URL. you see there that there is a backport for sarge, but none for etch
02:45<tzafrir_laptop>amsn has a build dependency on tk-8.5 . I have no idea how strict that dependency is
02:45<MoL0ToV>what means?
02:46<MoL0ToV>i can say to my etch to instal 8.5 and delete 8.4 of tcl?
02:46<MoL0ToV>tcl-tk
02:46<MoL0ToV>i see that also gaim is not included in synaptics packages...
02:47<jm_>both versions of tk can coexist
02:47<MoL0ToV>so i can try to install tk 8.5
02:47<MoL0ToV>after that the dependencies are satisfacted theorically
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02:48<chealer>MoL0ToV: do you know what sid is?
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02:49<MoL0ToV>no
02:49<chealer>!tell MoL0ToV about releases
02:51<MoL0ToV>sid means unstable?
02:51<chealer>MoL0ToV: be aware that backporting this yourself won't be trivial. at least, the instructions above won't be sufficient.
02:51<chealer>MoL0ToV: yes
02:52<MoL0ToV>so how i can installa amsn 0.97?
02:52<chealer>MoL0ToV: did you try searching for an unofficial amn 0.97 backport for etch?
02:52<MoL0ToV>i have tcl 8.4 installed
02:53<MoL0ToV>on the amsn web site are present a automatic installer for systems that have this old version of tcl
02:53<MoL0ToV>is a good idea to use it?
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02:56<jm_>no
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02:57<chealer>MoL0ToV: FYI, there's a amsn 0.97.2 backport for etch i386 there : http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user.french/browse_thread/thread/24d844022bc10dc1
02:58<chealer>MoL0ToV: I'm not saying that's trustworthy
02:59<chealer>MoL0ToV: I wouldn't use that nor autopackage unless I'd have a good reason to use amsn 0.97.2
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03:05<arthrotec>Hello
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03:16<MoL0ToV>chealer, works! fine thanks
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03:18<morgan`>hello
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03:19<Cyranix0r>yes, hello
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03:50<sono>how to can read my network speed
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03:54<Nemoder>download something and see how long it takes?
03:55<Homere>hello, how long before Lenny ? and do we know when lenny's support will end ?
03:55<Nemoder>!lenny status
03:55<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html
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03:57<Homere>and, why debian don't restrict a list of packages for servers that will be maintained several years ?
03:58<Homere>I need to move more than 2000 websites from PHP4 to PHP5 before next september, it's very difficult
03:58<Nemoder>stable releases get security updates for 2 or 3 years
03:58<Homere>but only 1 year after next stable. So Etch will be secure until october 2009.
03:59<Nemoder>yes but etch has been out for some time
04:00<Homere>security support is not long enougth for a server biased distribution
04:00<jm_>funny, normally people complain debian releases are too slow
04:00<Nemoder>:)
04:01<Nemoder>he's complaining about both apparently, lenny too slow and etch not long enough :P
04:02<Homere>18 months is great between releases
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04:03<chealer>!tell Homere about wwlr
04:03<Homere>Debian is really stable and very easy to maintain
04:03<Homere>1 admin for 150 to 200 debian servers
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04:04<chealer>Homere: there would be no point in doing that.
04:04<Homere>it works
04:05<Homere>every tuesday I upgrade all the servers, and there is no worry at all
04:05<[machine]>homere: don't forget to blame upstream... php4 is almost dead
04:05<Homere>I've tried this with a Fedora server and it sucked
04:06<Homere>[machine]: that's he very boring part, every 18 months there is the upstream upgrade.
04:06<Homere>we've started to forbid PHP4 and tell customers (managed LAMP servers) to try PHP5 instead
04:08<Homere>the problem is from PHP and MySQL. A Java/Oracle software will work many years, a PHP/MySQL one will work 3 years at most
04:09<jm_>how so? are you saying that the version you have installed stops working at that time?
04:09<Homere>yes
04:09<Homere>using an unmaintained version of PHP4 is unsecure
04:09*[machine] shrugs, if the code is written half competently it should work with no problems
04:09<Nemoder>all my perl/mysql stuff survived sarge->etch without any issues
04:10<jm_>as opposed to maintained oracle release?
04:10<Homere>Nemoder: MySQL 4.0 > 4.1 was a pain due to joint changes
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04:12<tzafrir_laptop>Homere, there are those who restrict the set of packages. e.g. RHEL, that did not even include PHP4 in RHEL5 (released at about the same time as Etch)
04:12<Homere>for PHP, someone told me their software was made for PHP 5.2.1 and that it doesn't work with PHP 5.2.0
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04:15<prolix>1 person for 150-200 servers?
04:16<prolix>how is that possible?
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04:18<prolix>let me rephrase that. how is that practical?
04:18<sajes>prolix: Routers. Also, lots of cronjobs.
04:19<seanius>Homere: it's possible that they are correct
04:20<seanius>Homere: it depends on the software, php upstream broke a lot of stuff in their 5.2.0->5.2.1 "minor update"
04:20<prolix>sajes: heh. makes sense, i suppose. what about cloud computing?
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04:20<Homere>prolix: only Debian Etch 64bit, custom kernel, no compiles/external software
04:20<prolix>Homere: are these servers on a cluster?
04:20<Homere>prolix: no,
04:21<sajes>prolix: I've never messed with it. I'm not the "Have all my data on your hard disk" type of person ;).
04:21<prolix>have you heard of eucalyptus?
04:22<Homere>my servers are mainly LAMP servers for customers (managed)
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04:23<Homere>but we have very strict rules that make possible to manage them with only 1 personn, and this works because our availability is pretty good (> 99,95 %)
04:23<prolix>right on
04:24<Homere>it's why I love Debian and will never change
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04:25<prolix>there's also enomaly
04:25<Homere>I'm using Solaris for storage and virtualization but their patch system is very boring
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04:53<NaT[r]iMa>hi, someone I can talk with to install debian on a macbook?
04:53<theocrite>hey hey
04:53<NaT[r]iMa>i've a couple of questions
04:53<NaT[r]iMa>:D
04:54<Knight_Lord>NaT[r]iMa ask
04:54<NaT[r]iMa>first of all
04:54<NaT[r]iMa>i couldn't understand, reading some other experiences, if it'll be all so difficult or if i can do it by myself
04:56<parecen>NaT[r]iMa: is it a macbook with an intel cpu or with a powerpc cpu?
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04:56<NaT[r]iMa>someone just spent days for this.. other users some hours
04:56<NaT[r]iMa>intel
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04:57<parecen>NaT[r]iMa: what kind of experiences with computers do you have? do you have a basic understanding of partitioning harddisks, looking up what drivers are needed for certain hardware components, etc?
04:57<NaT[r]iMa>it's an intel core 2 duo, 2.16 GHz
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04:57<NaT[r]iMa>umh yes, more or less
04:57<NaT[r]iMa>i'm not so expert, i've never used linux on my computer
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04:58<NaT[r]iMa>i think i could understand what's going on, installing a new os
04:58<NaT[r]iMa>:)
04:58<parecen>NaT[r]iMa: to got a fist feeling of the operating system you plan to you, you could download a so called livecd that needs no installation
04:59<NaT[r]iMa>that's a good idea :) i'll try
04:59<NaT[r]iMa>i saw
04:59<NaT[r]iMa>manuals from debian.org
04:59<NaT[r]iMa>and some other guide written by "private" users
05:00<NaT[r]iMa>do you think i can find something exactly done for my mb?
05:00<parecen>NaT[r]iMa: i think these here are the right choice: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/etch-builds/current/i386/iso-cd/
05:00<NaT[r]iMa>maybe with some known problems and stuffs like this
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05:01<petemc>parecen: you cant get macbooks with ppc
05:02<parecen>NaT[r]iMa: you can either try a livecd and try some things without harming your currently installed OS, or you can research the web for debian related messages, articles, etc. that contains the chipset of your motherboard, the specific model of the powerbook
05:02<parecen>petemc: too bad :P
05:02<parecen>petemc: i would like that
05:02<petemc>you can look for an old powerbook
05:02<NaT[r]iMa>just to be sure, i need all the .iso files by that link, isn't it?
05:02<jm_>no, read the installation manual
05:03<kraft>how do i find out from the web what options have been included for a particular kernel?
05:03<NaT[r]iMa>jm_: o.o ?
05:03<jm_>kraft: you can't
05:03<theocrite>Is it really useful to sumbit bug reports on debian bts ? It seems rather random. Half of the bugs I saw didn't get answers after years and nothing seems to be done :/
05:03<kraft>i was looking for cvs version of config*
05:03<parecen>NaT[r]iMa: no, there is different flavours. gnome, kde and xfce are different desktop environments. if you are unsure for a start you can try http://live.debian.net/cdimage/etch-builds/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-etch-i386-standard.iso
05:04<jm_>NaT[r]iMa: actuall there is no manual - you only need one based on the dekstop system you want to use (GNOME, KDE or XFCE) - there's also standard without desktops
05:04<NaT[r]iMa>parecen: i wanted to try kde
05:04<jm_>config is part of the package
05:04<kraft>jm_: so download package and look at the config file?
05:04<parecen>NaT[r]iMa: so its http://live.debian.net/cdimage/etch-builds/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-etch-i386-kde-desktop.iso what you need to download, then burn "image to cdrom" and let it boot :)
05:04<jm_>kraft: that's what I do
05:04<NaT[r]iMa>just this
05:04<NaT[r]iMa>ok..
05:04<parecen>yep
05:04<kraft>jm_: thanks
05:05<NaT[r]iMa>in this case i'm gonna be back soon with other questions :D
05:05<parecen>NaT[r]iMa: thats fine :)
05:05<NaT[r]iMa>thanks a lot guys
05:05<NaT[r]iMa>^__^
05:05<NaT[r]iMa>lucky me to arrive here
05:05<parecen>yeah, good luck
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05:06<jm_>kraft: found this http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/ but I can't access it, although google cache works
05:06<parecen>i think some debian machines are unreachable at the moment
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05:06<jm_>yeah it looks that way
05:07<theocrite>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=fdupes;dist=unstable <= fdupes for instance has bug reports between 2001 and 2006 and i didn't see any official answer nor any upstream notification.
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05:07<theocrite>It's true that the upstream website is poor and only has a 'email' contact and a dowload page.
05:08<jm_>theocrite: tough luck, lots of bugs are still fixed though
05:09<parecen>theocrite: as it seems to me, these are only wishlist bugs
05:09<parecen>so its seems like neither upstream nor the debian maintainer care about those
05:10<kraft>jm_: thanks
05:10<parecen>theocrite: what you could do is to try to find related packages to fdupes
05:10<parecen>and see if they have better features
05:10<theocrite>parecen: well i think that the size sort is a really important feature. :/
05:11<theocrite>parecen: I tried but i didn't find anything for this.
05:11<parecen>theocrite: then you can try to email the maintainer of that package and ask politely whats up :)
05:11<theocrite>parecen: also #256335 already has a patch. Why is it ignored, this is sad :/
05:11<theocrite>I'll do this.
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05:12<theocrite>jm_: yeah happilly lots of bugs are fixed, i would be very sad otherwise.
05:12*parecen checks something
05:13<parecen>theocrite: hang on :)
05:13<chealer>theocrite: the package seems to lack maintenance
05:13<theocrite>Another example : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493918 To have a translation in other language than de/en, billard gl requires to copy 5 files. It's totally safe, (only text files, no compilation or scripts required) and it's an important feature.
05:14<chealer>(somewhat)
05:15<theocrite>This is something really important cause languages exists but aren't included. This causes a *lot* of people around the world that can't use this, or when they try, they are like "wtf is this free system, it is all in english".
05:15<parecen>theocrite: have you tried out the package fslint already? its listed as alternative to fdupes
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05:16<theocrite>parecen: I saw it, didn't try, but now, after reading the description again, i think it may be good for what i need.
05:16<theocrite>(and i feel kinda stupid now ^^")
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05:17<parecen>theocrite: maybe your etch does not have "ept-cache related" yet :)
05:17<parecen>but lenny will have this very smart way of an advanced search based on tags
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05:18<chealer>theocrite: lenny is frozen
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05:18<theocrite>parecen: i'm using the "similar packages" at packages.debian.org/lenny/package :)
05:19<theocrite>chealer: ah yes that's true. But it wasn't more than one month ago, right ?
05:19<parecen>theocrite: and about your wishlist bug #493918, the problem is this. some debian developers have much more stuff to do than what fits into a 24 hour day. additionally, they focus on fixing release critical bugs at the moment so lenny can be released
05:19<chealer>theocrite: it was
05:19<chealer>theocrite: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html
05:20<theocrite>Ah yes, 27/07/2008
05:20<theocrite>My bad.
05:20<theocrite>So frozen even applies for text files ? That's logical, but i don't thinkg a text file can add a bug.
05:21<parecen>sure
05:21<parecen>source code is basically a text file too :)
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05:21<theocrite>parecen: ok, i'll try to help debian more in the future, i guess, this is the only thing i can do :)
05:22<theocrite>So do you think it will be included few times after lenny will be released ?
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05:22<parecen>theocrite: its a very useful contribution to submit bugs. but you have to keep in mind how busy some people are :)
05:23<parecen>theocrite: what exactly? your wishlist bug #493918 you mean?
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05:24<chealer>theocrite: it's possible to get translation "updates" unfrozen. but it's necessarily more work than normally
05:25<theocrite>parecen: Yeah I know it already, and I really grateful to(?) all people involved in Debian. But i think more feedback would be good. I'm involved in floss for some time now. So i knew where to ask, that i should be patient etc. But I think more and more people are using alternative OS and they are not always used of how it work. And they can be feel ignored.
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05:25<theocrite>parecen: yes this bug.
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05:26<theocrite>chealer: ok thanks for the informations.
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05:28<parecen>theocrite: it seems to be little effort to do what you are looking for, and i think translations and documentations could get into the frozen testing archive, but ... i suspect the games team is too busy fixing release critical bugs at the moment to process wishlist bugs
05:31<theocrite>Yeah, they are probably busy, but just an anwser "we noticed it, we are too busy now, we'll fix it later" would be far enough. But it's ok they are doing a gread job already, I won't mind ;)
05:31<NaT[r]iMa>ermh, while transfer is going..anybody knows if using tiger is ok for bootcamp?
05:31<NaT[r]iMa>or should i get leopard?
05:31<chealer>theocrite: I don't know billiard gl, but from your bug report I'm under the impression that there are official and unofficial translations. if what you're asking is to diverge from upstream by including inferior translations, the maintainers may not want that. anyway, clarifying what upstream does and what Debian should do could speed up the resolution.
05:33<chealer>s/official and unofficial/2 qualities of/
05:34<theocrite>Hm yeah that's a good point. I don't know why it isn't included in the upstream (I actually considered it to be stupid). I'll email billard gl team this evening after word and ask them.
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05:50<crazyb0y>hmm i have a strange problem with iplog and libcap
05:50<crazyb0y>i have already installed libcap, libcap-bin libcap-dev
05:51<crazyb0y>but it says that there's no libcap on the system when configuring iplog
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05:53<crazyb0y>http://pastebin.cnc.bg/pastebin.php?show=252
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05:53<crazyb0y>its strange
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05:56<parecen>crazyb0y: on a quick view it seems like libcap2 and libcap are 2 different packages, and it could well be that iplog requires older stuff to work
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05:57<crazyb0y>lol
05:57<crazyb0y>yes im so stupid
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05:57<crazyb0y>it needs libpcap
05:57<crazyb0y>=))))))
05:57<parecen>i think iplog is from the early 1990s :)
05:57<Knight_Lord>I'm trying to delete a file but i'm getting permission denied
05:57<Knight_Lord>What could be the problem?
05:57<Knight_Lord>I'm the file owner and the permissions are 777
05:57<crazyb0y>sorry no coffee in the office =P and maybe this is the problem
05:57<crazyb0y>parecen: what do you use instead of iplog ?
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05:57*parecen brings crazyb0y a cuppa
05:58<crazyb0y>parecen: thanks =)
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05:58<crazyb0y>i need something like iplog
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05:59<philsf>If gnome-keyring dies, how can I restart it in a way that I can reuse the files/pipes/sockets that were in use for ssh-agent?
06:01<parecen>crazyb0y: specter maybe
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06:03<jm_>philsf: you mean so that it could handle ssh keys?
06:05<crazyb0y>parecen: thanks i will try it
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06:11<philsf>jm_: yes. I can start openssh's agent reusing the existing sockets in /tmp, but how can I do the same with gnome-keyring?
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06:25<jm_>philsf: hmm I was just wondering whether you want gnome-keyring to manage ssh-agent keys
06:26<philsf>jm_: IIUC, gnome-keyring substitutes the pristine ssh-agent, but I could be wrong in this
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06:27<jm_>philsf: yeah it does, just read about it
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06:30<jm_>philsf: does it not show any help when run from command line?
06:31<philsf>jm_: nope, neither the man has any info whatsoever
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06:33<philsf>j #gnome
06:33<jm_>philsf: yeah it has no option for this that I can find (it creates it in some temp. dir)
06:34<philsf>oops :)
06:34<jm_>if it was compiled with WITH_TESTS, you could set GNOME_KEYRING_TEST_PATH
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06:35<philsf>jm_: how can I use this?
06:35<jm_>but even then it does mktemp, so I would say it can't handle restarts as good as ssh-agent
06:35<jm_>philsf: it's an env var and it won't help anyway
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06:36<jm_>it creates a file like .../keyring-XXXXXX/socket
06:36<jm_>where XXXXXX should be random
06:37<jm_>ahh wait, I am reading it too fast - it doesn't do this last part if you set it via GNOME_KEYRING_TEST_PATH
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06:37<jm_>so maybe it will work
06:38<philsf>G_K_TEST_PATH is the /tmpkeyring-XXX dir?
06:39<jm_>yeah
06:39<philsf>jm_: yes, it works! :)
06:39<philsf>only thing is that I have to re-authenticate, but that's fine
06:39<jm_>philsf: someone should file a whishlist bug so they add an option to specify path
06:40<philsf>IIRC with ssh-agent you don't need to reenter the passphrase
06:41<philsf>ok, I'll look in gnome's bugzilla if it already existis
06:41<philsf>*exists
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06:41<jm_>and while at that, gnome-keyring-daemon --help should list options if it doesn't already
06:42<philsf>I don't think it exists - haven't looked the code, but the man is basically empty
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06:43<philsf>jm_: thank's for your help
06:43<jm_>no worries
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06:57<CloseCall>hi
06:57<CloseCall>is the debian keyserver down ?
06:57<petemc>theres a few debian servers down
06:58<CloseCall>mm that explains allot, is it scheduled maintenance ?
06:58<petemc>no idea
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07:25<rahim123>hello all, anyone know when gnome 2.24 packages will be available for sid?
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07:30<haleu>hello everybody
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07:30<haleu>i need help with my sound on my laptop
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07:37<rahim123>can anyone explain why they froze debian sid in preparation for the next release? it makes no sense to freeze unstable.
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07:38<petemc>rahim123: they didnt
07:38<petemc>they froze lenny
07:38<rahim123>or at least discouraged developers from using debian sid for new packages?
07:38<petemc>where did you get this information?
07:39<rahim123>hold on a sec...
07:39<rahim123>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=29496
07:40<benjamin>Should I worry if I have no inetd process running on my server?
07:40<jm_>benjamin: does everything work as it should?
07:40<rahim123>http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=305 here too
07:40<benjamin>jm_, it sure does
07:41<jm_>benjamin: well then
07:41<benjamin>jm_, why haven't I one?
07:42<jm_>benjamin: because you didn't install anything that needs it, or you did but prevented it from starting
07:42<rahim123>and i can tell just by looking at some of the packages I use, VLC for example was always updated to the latest version in sid, but now since they froze lenny nothing has been updated in sid, and they put newer VLC releases in experimental
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07:43<Zoup>is there anyway to upgrade a single packages using apt-get or aptitude ?
07:43<petemc>rahim123: news to me, but i dont upgrade regularly enough to notice
07:43<jm_>Zoup: yes
07:43<Zoup>jm_: apt-get upgrade and aptitude upgrade seems to upgrade everything
07:43<jm_>Zoup: apt* install pkg
07:43<rahim123>sid just seems really stagnant recently
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08:12<Zoup>jm_: thanks
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08:38<ranix>I have a computer with onboard ethernet and video that's 100mhz and has 32mb of ram. It's the size of a 3.5" disk drive, even with its 40gb laptop hard disk built in. What should I do with it?
08:38<ranix>It's x86 and fully supported by Debian
08:38<ranix>I can't think of a single interesting use
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08:53<OdyX>Hi. How is it that vlc 0.9.2-1 is not yet on experimental for other arches than i386 ?
08:54<jm_>that's normal
08:54<OdyX>http://experimental.ftbfs.de/ mentions that it has been built "maybe-successfully"
08:55<OdyX>jm_: how is that ? (means: what/where is the point that I miss about how packages are handled in experimental ?)
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08:59<OdyX>jm_: could you explain me or point me to some doc ?
09:00<jm_>OdyX: I don't know if there's any document, but I've very often seen that happen - it was built for as much as up to 6 archs, but not i386 for example (maybe check buildd logs when it's back online)
09:00<OdyX>and solution is "just be patient" ?
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09:01<jm_>that's what I did yes ;)
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09:15<nico65>is there any tool in debian, which can convert pdf file to xml file?
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09:16<grigric>bonjour
09:16<grigric>hello
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09:17<nico65>do you mean bonjour can solve it?
09:17<grigric>bye bye
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09:17<grigric>what ?
09:17<stevecotton>no nico, grigric just said "hello" in French
09:18<Guest2261>.... sigh...
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09:18<grigric>i m only a friendly french :)
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09:18<stevecotton>"xml" is a fairly wide specification, what kind of xml file do you actually want?
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09:19<nico65>docbook(XML). i want to convert pdf to that format, so i can use xml2po to generate po
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09:19<stevecotton>(echo "<tagsoup>" ; xxd stuff.pdf ; echo "</tagsoup>") > stuff.xml
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09:20<stevecotton>please stop nick-changing too
09:20<jackyf>stevecotton: lol
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09:22<grigric>is this irc the official debian irc team ?
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09:24<nico65>i find this irc is same as irc.debian.org/debian, so when i change nickname on oftc, it mess up the other.
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09:24<stevecotton>grigric: it's mostly volunteers chatting. There are a lot of channels here for specific teams.
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09:25<grigric>stevecotton: tks
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09:26<grigric>nico65: tks
09:26<nico65>stevecotton: `(echo "<...)' this command can solve my problem?
09:27<grigric>what is your problem nico ?
09:28<nico65>convert a pdf file to XML(docbook) file
09:30<nico65>grigric: any suggestion?
09:30<grigric>i know, pdftohtml
09:30<grigric>but it s not what you want
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09:31<grigric>an other, i have use inscape on XP, an open source programm, but it s translate on word format
09:31<grigric>nico65: has you show pdftoipe ?
09:32<eleanor>can somebody help me set wpa2 connection: http://rafb.net/p/as15ZE57.html
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09:32<grigric>nico65: his description is: convert arbitrary pdf file to xml, but i had b=never use it
09:33<nico65>grigric: i know and i've tried pdftotext and pdftohtml, all which are NOT i want. and so pdftoipe is
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09:35<grigric>nico65: ok
09:36<grigric>bye bye all
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09:36<nico65>grigric: ipe is useful to draw a eps figure
09:36<nico65>grigric: and it can export a latex format file
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09:44<stevecotton>nico65: it might help to explain why the programs you've tried don't work
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09:46<nico65>stevecotton: what?
09:48<stevecotton>it might help to (describe to the channel) why the programs you've tried don't work
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09:50<variable>how to turn off gdm from command prompt
09:50<variable>!gdm
09:50<dpkg>gdm is probably the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console)
09:51<petemc> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
09:51<variable>thanks
09:51<variable>anf hot to go in runlevel 3?
09:51<variable>what command?
09:52<petemc>why do you want to do that?
09:52<variable>because i need to reinstall nvidia drivers
09:52<petemc>stopping gdm should be sufficienty
09:53<petemc>s/ty/t/
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09:53<petemc>debian isnt like redhat etc
09:53<nico65>variable: vi /etc/inittab, change `id::5' to `id::3'
09:53<petemc>he bounced
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09:54<petemc>nico65: and that isnt right anyway
09:55<nico65>maybe run `init 3' as root can solve this problem
09:56<petemc>there is no problem, debian doesnt use the runlevels to control X starting like some other distros do
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09:57<craigevil>sounds like he is running sidux, run level 3 there is tty
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10:13<sheldonh>where can i find the vcs repo for the debian phpmyadmin package? i'm trying to find the patch for CVE-2008-3457 (in DSA 1641-1) and don't know which of the patches in the source package is the one
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10:13<damiano>hello everybody
10:13<damiano>is better nvidia o sapphiere video card?
10:14<petemc>sapphiere ?
10:14<petemc>oh, sapphire
10:14<sheldonh>stupid question, nevermind. packages.qa.debian.org offers link to cvs
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10:14<sheldonh>vcs, even
10:15<damiano>ops sorry, yes sapphire
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10:17<damiano>any answers?
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10:17<crazyb0y>damiano: your question isn't related to debian, sorry
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10:18<damiano>yes i'm using debian, i want to know what is the video card better supported
10:18<petemc>nvidia, probably
10:19<sheldonh>i'm using debian. who made 3 separate guest appearances in the bold and the beautiful in 1994?
10:19<crazyb0y>=))
10:19<crazyb0y>i'm using debian, what should i eat tonight =P
10:20<sheldonh>pizza, obviously
10:20<damiano>:)
10:21<crazyb0y>oh no pizza, not again =)
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10:28<damiano>with new new kernel version ATI is suppoerted right?
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10:34<eheht>hi. gibts eigentlich portable-videoplayer für debian?
10:35<petemc>!de
10:35<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
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10:45<chantanito>hi
10:45<chantanito>does anybody knows how to change request-tracker theme?
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10:52<serge>Hi! Please give me the example of a command line how to run X session with remote system (say pc1.remote.com) via XDMCP over ssh? The is gdm and X installed and running.
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10:54<ranix>sorry serge, I use XDMCP insecurely
10:55<ranix>so I do not know how to pipe it over ssh without just making a tunnel, which is clunky
10:55<serge>It works well for local network, like: X -query 192.168.2.2 :1 will open at my PC gdm login dialog for given system. But the mentioned above is somewhere in the I-net, so there is only via ssh acces.
10:55<serge>ranix: I can't do it like you because of security requirements..
10:56<ranix>serge: I use X-forwarding over ssh instead in that case
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10:56<ranix>serge: is not the internet too slow for xdmcp?
10:56<ranix>you are piping video for the whole desktop rather than for just the single application
10:56<ranix>x-forwarding seems more suitable to me
10:57<serge>ranix: yes. it's clear. But I don't understand the way howto run it. No, my I-net is fast enogh.
10:58<ranix>is your local x-server running in windows, or linux
10:58<serge>ranix: how to make x-forwarding working?
10:58<serge>linux
10:58<serge>Deb Etch
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10:59<ranix>serge: I am a poor teacher but I know where to look to find information. Check this out: http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/ssh-tunnel.html
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10:59<ranix>you will want to tunnel data destined for the xdmcp port to your remote server
11:00<buffoon_work>wouldn't ssh -X do the job?
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11:00<ranix>buffoon_work: that was my original suggestion but he wants xdmcp rather than x forwarding
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11:00<serge>I've checked my sshd_config -- X-forwarding is enabled... Yes, I understand it in principle, but still can not understand how to have it.
11:01<buffoon_work>oh sorry then... didn't read all the stuff...
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11:01<serge>well let me read given URL. Thank you ranix.
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11:01<ranix>serge: you could also considering running Xephyr via ssh -X
11:02<ranix>serge: that would be the easiest solution IMO
11:02<serge>ranix: thank you. For now a have zero experience with Xephyr, but I will try... Thanks again!
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11:03<ranix>serge: just install xephyr on remote system, SSH to it from your local X server with ssh -X, then run 'xephyr' on the remote host
11:03<ranix>serge: easy as pie
11:04<serge>ranyx: Ok. :) Thank you.
11:04<ranix>np
11:05<dgodfather>something is eating up my memory and i can't find what
11:06<ranix>dgodfather: top?
11:06<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m4496a9f5
11:06<cahoot>dgodfather: how do you come to that conclusion?
11:06<dgodfather>sec all info is onthe way
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11:07<dr1v3r>guys if i installed something and during setup i selected daemon mode instead of system startup, would it start at boot anyway, but just run in the background without any intervention required by the user?
11:07<dgodfather>free -> http://pastebin.com/m18f579aa
11:07<ranix>serge: oh right, note that Xephyr is capitalized X
11:08<ranix>just threw me for a loop
11:08<dgodfather>cahoot: i got to that conclusion by watching the output from free
11:08<themill>!free ram
11:08<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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11:10<dgodfather>ranix: cahoot: yes but i didn't find the process that does that(what's it's name? )
11:10<serge>ranix: I think I need to be able to do ssh tunelling -- it's useful thing also, so let me try it first. Then of course I'll see Xephyr.
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11:10<dr1v3r>any idea guys?
11:10<dgodfather>themill: 10x but i can't find the process that does that
11:10<themill>dgodfather: most likely, it's the kernel's cache of your files on disk
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11:12<dgodfather>themill: can you explain a bit more what do you mean by that please?
11:12<ragman13293>Question for the Gurus: After powerloss on my server, debian hangs with option to select booting up in single user mode, or debugging mode. Since server was co-located, we were down until i got a tech to press a key on the box. Any setting to force debian to boot without asking for user intervention?
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11:13<dgodfather>themill: what do you mean my kernel's cache of my files on disk?
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11:14<dgodfather>the kernel uses my memory to cache that files i have on my disk for fast access?
11:14<themill>dgodfather: just what dpkg said a couple of minutes ago. Rather than having to reread information from disk every time you access it, the kernel keeps as much of your disk in memory as it can, concentrating on the bits you have recently used in the hope that you will use them again. Thus when you type "ls", the program /bin/ls can be run without having to load it from disk first, it's already waiting in memory for you.
11:14<themill>yep
11:14<seanius>dgodfather: that's a good thing :)
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11:15<padski>what is the prog that speculatively reads stuff in ahead of time ?
11:15<dgodfather>themill: seanius: yep i know that, but how do i make sure it's really the reason and not something else? what's the indication for that?
11:15<themill>!show memory usage
11:15<dpkg>[show memory usage] ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size | sort -n -k5
11:16<seanius>padski: you mean readahead? i don't think that's a program i think that's a kernel feature
11:16<dgodfather>themill: thanks. so if i see nothing in that list exceeds the memory i have it mean it's the caching that does that
11:17<dgodfather>?
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11:17<padski>seanius, that's a good point also, but there is also a program I think
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11:17<themill>dgodfather: that's a fair way of looking at it
11:17<Leandro>hi!
11:17<Leandro>hola
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11:18<dgodfather>themill: did you have some other way in mind?
11:18*seanius is going to go home and learn how to set up an ethernet bridge
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11:19<padski>seanius, ah! its called "preload" , no wonder I was confused whenI went to google and typed "debian preload" ...
11:19<themill>dgodfather: the output from free(1) also shows this to you, you don't really need to go searching.
11:19<ragman13293>anyone know how to prevent debian from requiring a keypress to boot after powerdown. screen asked to select single user mode or maintenance mode. thanks
11:20<padski>ragman13293, power loss ?
11:20<ragman13293>yes, our host lost power to our entire rack
11:21<dgodfather>themill: you mean the "cached" category?
11:21<dgodfather>column
11:21<ragman13293>system did not come back up after, minimum wage tech on location said the screen was showing what looked like a boot screen asking to select maint or single user mode, then the system booted up fine
11:21<padski>ragman13293, so it is a one-off problem ? or you want to know about the general problem ?
11:21<dgodfather>themill: yeh i see that thanks
11:21<ragman13293>id just like to keep it from happening again
11:21<themill>np
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11:22<ragman13293>not having luck on google on this one ;)
11:23<themill>ragman13293: at a guess, it was a bad fsck that required you to manually rerun fsck to fix the errors not just report them. look for FSCKFIX in /etc/default/rcS
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11:24<padski>ragman13293, or you could look into running with root read-only.
11:24<ragman13293>vnc not showing desktop properly either so im thinking the server is really not running the way it should right now. thanks for the input, guess i need to jump in the car and drive down to the co-lo and put some eyeballs on it.
11:25<ragman13293>putty responds, but vnc just shows a checkboard with a crosshair for a cursor, weird
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11:26<dr1v3r>guys whats the command again to download something from a URL? i thought it was get http://urlhere but it not working :(
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11:27<stevecotton> wget
11:27<dr1v3r>ahhh brill, thanks man
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11:30<themill>dr1v3r: if you've got libwww-perl installed, then there's also GET (not get!)
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11:33<dr1v3r>thanks themill appreciate it :D
11:33<themill>np
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12:08<And1>Anyone here knows, if rtl-wifi usually compiles on kernel 2.6.26?
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12:10<erKURITA>by the way And1, the rtl8187 module in < 2.6.27 doesn't work for 8187B
12:11<And1>Mh, I need the 8180/8185 module...
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12:13<And1>I also would need the cs46xx sound driver in sid, is this possible by now? It wasn't some months ago...
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12:27<dr1v3r>guys how do u remove the system of all left over package files after apt-get remove?
12:28<themill>!purge
12:28<dpkg>i guess purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files
12:28<dr1v3r>thanks man :D
12:28<amphi>dr1v3r: or apt-get clean, perhaps
12:29<dr1v3r>clean just cleans up package files
12:29<dr1v3r>rectrieved package files should i say
12:29<amphi>'left over package files' was not entirely clear
12:29<themill>dpkg, purge dr1v3r
12:29<dpkg>no idea, themill
12:29<themill>fail
12:30<dr1v3r>i done it bud thanks
12:30<dr1v3r>sorry i meant to say purge but didnt want to come off my brain
12:30<fxiny>a stray libs killer ? deborphan
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12:32<fxiny>off what ? ;P
12:33<dr1v3r>themill how do i check what ports are in use?
12:34<fxiny>!netstat recipes contest
12:34<zumbi>netstat -atun
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12:34<zumbi>dr1v3r: nmap localhost
12:35<dr1v3r>argghh bloody apache lol
12:35<dr1v3r>i knew i should not have installed it when i booted system lol
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12:58<dr1v3r>guys how i check to see if a system user has been setup?
12:58<dr1v3r>exists sorry
12:58<stew>dr1v3r: getent passwd username
12:59<dr1v3r>will that tell me if the specific system user exists?
13:00<dr1v3r>for example www-data things like that
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13:00<themill>!tias
13:00<dpkg>tias is probably try it and see, or what you should have done first
13:00<stew>dr1v3r: yes, it will exit with sucess if the user exists, and with something non-zero if the user doesn't exist
13:00<stew>that something non-zero seeming to be 2
13:01<dr1v3r>i gotcha thanks :D
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13:26<damiano>hello everybody i have to remove mysql
13:26<damiano>i'm using debian etch
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13:27<simonrvn>so remove it
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13:27<damiano>the shell seems blocked
13:27<damiano>Preparing to replace mysql-server-5.0 5.0.32-7etch6 (using .../mysql-server-5.0_5.0.32-7etch6_amd64.deb) ...
13:27<damiano>Unpacking replacement mysql-server-5.0 ...
13:27<damiano>qhat can i do to force it ?
13:27<damiano>*what
13:28<simonrvn>^c it maybe...
13:28<damiano>?
13:28<damiano>how to unistall it?
13:28<simonrvn>control-c
13:29<damiano>iHR mysql-server-5.0 5.0.32-7etch6 mysql database server binaries
13:29<damiano>yes i do control-c
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13:29<damiano>but when i repeat always blocked
13:29<simonrvn>you need to fix that... apt-get -f install for starters
13:30<themill>what command are you giving that it is trying to unpack a replacement mysql-server when you are trying to uninstall it?
13:30<damiano>http://rafb.net/p/aWfZxn46.html
13:30<Gathond>blocked? or does it just take a while
13:30<damiano>Gathond: blocked
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13:30<simonrvn>useless pastebin
13:30<damiano>themill: apt-get --unistall install mysql ...
13:31<simonrvn>wtf
13:31<damiano>ops
13:31<themill>can't say I've ever seen that option to apt-get before
13:31<simonrvn>man apt-get
13:31<damiano>sorry
13:31<damiano>sorry no no
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13:31<damiano>i do
13:31<damiano>apt-get --purge remove mysql...
13:32<damiano>http://rafb.net/p/FFw44o93.html <--- look this
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13:33<themill>Did you read lines 24 and 25 of that paste? What did you do in response to that suggestion?
13:33<damiano>http://rafb.net/p/1DphED27.html <-- is blocked here
13:33<damiano>yes i but the install is blocked
13:33<damiano>i don't understand why is blocked
13:34<themill>damiano: have you been editing the init scripts for mysql?
13:34<damiano>the first row i put exit
13:35<damiano>wrong?
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13:36<damiano>if i remove --> exit the script is blocked here http://rafb.net/p/ylZoYR93.html
13:36<damiano> if i remove --> "exit" ....... the script is blocked here http://rafb.net/p/ylZoYR93.html
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13:38<damiano>what colud i do?
13:38<damiano>*could
13:38<damiano>themill: is very strange...no?
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13:39<themill>rather
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13:39<themill>is mysql currently running?
13:39<damiano>http://rafb.net/p/545Mzc42.html
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13:40<themill>eek!
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13:40<damiano>if i do /etc/init.d/mysql start or stop or restart is always blocked
13:40<damiano>what can i do?
13:41<themill>zombie mysql is not a good start
13:41<stew>the mysql process craves brains
13:41<themill>BRAAAAINS!!!
13:41<damiano>??
13:41<damiano>i kill every process?
13:42<themill>damiano: see if you can work out what the parent process is to the mysql process (2404) that's in the Z=zombie state.
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13:43<stew>!ppid
13:43<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid"
13:43<themill>:)
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13:44<damiano>shit i killed that process
13:44<themill>if it's killed, then it shouldn't have any zombies left...
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13:45<themill>what was it? a shell?
13:45<damiano>yes
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13:45<themill>is the zombie still there?
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13:46<damiano>now i have
13:46<damiano>http://rafb.net/p/ju3ICE38.html
13:46<themill>that's an improvement of sorts
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13:46<damiano>http://rafb.net/p/d5cvAl11.html
13:46<damiano>mmm now i can install the package?
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13:47<themill>damiano: no. that defunct process will still cause you problems I think
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13:47<jaek>if i wanted to install just one program from unstable, how can i do that
13:47<themill>damiano: is process 2403 still running?
13:47<themill>dpkg: tell jaek about ssb
13:48<salahuddin>jaek: download that packaget. run dpkg -i name.deb
13:48<damiano>themill: no
13:48<themill>salahuddin, jaek: no, that is unlikely to work
13:48<damiano>themill: i think i have to restart the server no?
13:48<jaek>themill, thanks
13:49<themill>damiano: that might be the easiest thing to do at this stage if that is feasible. If you stop mysql from starting that might help you in this process too
13:49<damiano>themill: http://rafb.net/p/wWxQ0G62.html
13:49<damiano>themill: ok i restart
13:50<damiano>*reboot
13:50<rjent>Greetings do I need to have portmap running on a default install?
13:51<fxiny>damn mnogoserach can't find pstree , i asked google for this : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/607
13:51<jaek>pssh, i think i'm going to just upgrade to unstable
13:51<themill>!sid upgrade
13:51<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
13:52<damiano>ok
13:52<damiano>restarted
13:52<damiano>themill: now what can i do?
13:52<themill>damiano: try: apt-get -f install
13:52<fxiny>still there ?
13:52<damiano>http://rafb.net/p/z5fUY121.html
13:52<damiano>read this first
13:52<fxiny>i mean the sombie
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13:53<fxiny>z*
13:53<salahuddin>jaek: alternate way download src deb and compile.
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13:53<damiano>themill: have you seen? can i do -f install ?
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13:53<themill>damiano: that looks fine. mysql daemon is running and will hopefully respond to signals correctly
13:53<damiano>ok
13:53<damiano>so i do
13:53<damiano>-f insatll
13:54<damiano>good!
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13:54<damiano>done
13:54<themill>:)
13:54<damiano>now how can i know if mysql is istalled?
13:54<damiano>(cerrectly)
13:54<damiano>*correctly
13:54<themill>damiano: dpkg -l just as you were using before. It should say "ii" next to the package names
13:55<damiano>http://rafb.net/p/yO0kAK39.html
13:55<damiano>is good? :)
13:56<stupidIam>howdy. i've just deleted the .bashrc from my /root folder. anyonw know what impact this will have on root account? it wass a default one. how can i restore it or coppy it from where?
13:56<themill>stupidIam: just copy it again from /etc/skel There's no worries unless you had heavily customised it
13:56<Gathond>probably little to none
13:57<themill>damiano: looks good to me
13:57<stupidIam>themill, thanks.
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13:57<damiano>themill: yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss works gooood!
13:57<damiano>thanks sooo much!
13:57<themill>excellent. no worries
13:58<damiano>the next time i restart the system before :D
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13:59<damiano>i have to go
13:59<damiano>thanks so much
13:59<damiano>have a good day
13:59<damiano>bye
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13:59<Woet>Is there anything at all that you can do against DDoS?
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14:00<Azhrarn>drop packets at the router, syncookies may help as well
14:01<salahuddin>exit()
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14:02<Woet>Azhrarn: any package?
14:02<Woet>apt-cache search syncookies
14:02<Woet>results nothing
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14:04<helmut>is it a policy violation to modify the contents of a package in postinst (no config file)?
14:05<jackyf>helix: IANADD, what change?
14:06<helmut>jackyf: debsums -c is complaining about some file that were installed by a package
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14:07<helmut>jackyf: the package ships these files as empty ones and populates them in postinsta. however md5sums are not updated
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14:07<fxiny>Woet: sysctl -A | grep syncookies . if enabled gives net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies = 1 . to enable it :echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies
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14:07<Woet>error: "Operation not permitted" reading key "net.ipv6.route.flush"
14:07<Woet>error: "Operation not permitted" reading key "net.ipv4.route.flush"
14:07<Woet>net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies = 1
14:07<Woet>Just enabled it
14:07<Woet>thanks
14:08<stew>helmut: i don't see what policy that would violate. if it is something that could be prevented, like it would be possible to populate these files at build-time, that should probably be done, however
14:08<jackyf>helix: why do not create them by dh_md5sums when building the package?
14:08<stew>jackyf: note that helix isn't involved in this conversation
14:08<jackyf>btw, you may go to #debian-mentors with such package questions
14:08<stew>jackyf: he's saing that they were created, but they were changed after installing the package
14:08<jackyf>stew: you're right
14:08<helmut>stew: well I was hoping to make this bug serious somewhat, because it breaks debsums
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14:09<jackyf>helmut: it was to you
14:09<helmut>jackyf: I know.
14:09<helmut>ok. the special case:
14:09<stew>helmut: what is the bug# ?
14:09<helmut>ingerman provides /var/lib/ispell/ngerman.compat
14:09<helmut>as empty file
14:09<helmut>it is populated in postinst with "3.1.20\n"
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14:10<helmut>however ingerman.md5sums is not updated
14:10<helmut>debsums now complains about a changed system file
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14:10<stew>helmut: i don't think the md5sums files are ever updated post-install
14:11<stew>helmut: you should probably just request that the files not be installed at all or that they at least be omitted from the md5sums
14:11<helmut>stew: right, so the package shout 1) not ship these files or 2) ship these files without md5sums or 3) don't modify them
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14:13<stew>helmut: i dont' even see md5sums being covered anywhwere in policy
14:14<gazzu_>apt-get update
14:14<helmut>stew: unfortunately, you're right. but I can flag it grave because it breaks debsums
14:14<helmut>stew: ("breaks unrelated software")
14:14<stew>helmut: this doesn't break debsums. debsums is working perfectly
14:15<helmut>stew: debsums sends a daily false-positive cron-mail
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14:15<stew>helmut: its not a false-positive
14:15<helmut>whatever. it renders debsums unusable
14:15<helmut>(for the task of checking the system)
14:16<stew>helmut: debusms is still usable
14:16<helmut>after modifying a cron job to grep -v ingerman?
14:16<parecen>helmut: dont look at it from a philosophical perspective :)
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14:17<stew>helmut: if that's what you want, then yes
14:17<parecen>but you can flag your bug as you wish. the maintainer will change it as needed
14:17<stew>helmut: "debsums sends a daily false-positive cron-mail" <- is that really debsums? i was unaware that debsums installs a cron job
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14:18<helmut># dpkg -S /etc/cron.daily/debsums
14:18<helmut>debsums: /etc/cron.daily/debsums
14:19<helmut>and it breaks debsums because "debsums can verify the integrity of installed package files ..." and this no longer works properly
14:19<stew>helmut: what version of debsums is that?
14:19<helmut>2.0.37
14:19<stew>helmut: yes it does
14:19<sergio_herz>yes
14:19<sergio_herz>que hay nuevo
14:19<stew>helmut: you could edit the md5sums file yourself as well
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14:20<helmut>this completely circumvents the automated usefullness of debsums
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14:20<stew>helmut: file a bug against ingerman
14:21<parecen>helmut: but the usage of "automated" debsums is not part of the debsums package
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14:21<helmut>I'll do. I just liked to see this fixed in lenny, and if it isn't serious it won't be fixed
14:21<stew>helmut: right
14:21<parecen>helmut: as i said, the maintainer of debsums will adjust the severity if it does not fit
14:21<helmut>parecen: it is not a debsums bug
14:22<stew>parecen: not the maintainer of debsums, debsums is not buggy
14:22<parecen>so the maintainer of $package
14:22<stew>and debsums in lenny doesn't have this package
14:22<stew>err this cron job
14:22<parecen>does not matter, the prinziple is the same. the severity can and will be changed by the maintainer if necessary
14:22<helmut>stew: oh. ok.
14:22<helmut>stew: so this is only unstable?
14:22<stew>judd: versions debsums
14:22<judd>stew: debsums: 2.0.30 (etch) 2.0.36 (lenny) 2.0.36 (sid)
14:23<helmut>ok. important is definitely enough then
14:23<stew>hmm, that is out of date, 2.0.37 is in sid
14:23<stew>(but not in lenny)
14:23<helmut>stew: thank you very much
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14:24<sergio_herz>chingao
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14:25<sergio_herz>que no hay alguien que hable español
14:25<stew>!es
14:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:26<serge>Guys, rsync guru advice needed. I have an extra HDD on my machine which I want to keep fully syncronized with some remote Debian system. This HDD has the same geometry, size and partitions like the hdd of that living system and serves as a disaster fast replacement for system just for the case of crash. I'm going to keep it sincronized by rsync with command like: rsync -avz remotepc.net:/ /mnt/hda2 . Is this a good command to so, and how to exclude som
14:26<serge>e catalogs from syncronising (/tmp /proc ...what else?) ? Thank you in advance.
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14:29<helmut>stew: I think the bug should still be grave, but lenny-ignore.
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14:29<stew>helmut: there is no justification for it being grave, at most it would be important
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14:30<stew>helmut: i'd say minor, "a problem which doesn't affect the package's usefulness, and is presumably trivial to fix."
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14:30<helmut>stew: as I said: it breaks debsums in sid, that is debsums does not work without patching it anymore.
14:30<stew>saying that it is grave, "makes the package in question unusable or mostly so, or causes data loss, or introduces a security hole allowing access to the accounts of users who use the package" is not accurate
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14:31<stew>helmut: this doesn't even come close to making the package unusable
14:31<helmut>stew: my reading just said "breaks unrelated software"
14:31<stew>helmut: however it doesn't
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14:32<helmut>we might have a different understanding of to break
14:32<helmut>however I accept your advice.
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14:32<stew>debsums still does exactly what it is supposed to do
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14:34<pgimeno>what does 'ldbl' mean in e.g. libglib1.2ldbl ?
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14:35<romeo>hello me talk french please help me for server french thanks
14:35<stew>!fr
14:35<dpkg>well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
14:35<maxb_>pgimeno: it will be an ABI transition tag
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14:36<helmut>stew: well debsums sending me that daily mail would make me uninstall it, because it would't notice an intruder modifying the system this way.
14:36<stew>helmut: why not edit the md5sums file for the buggy package?
14:36<stew>helmut: or sure, uninstall debsums
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14:37<maxb_>pgimeno: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/05/msg01173.html
14:37<pgimeno>maxb_: ouch, that hurts... I'm trying to migrate from etch to testing and it's asking me to remove xmms
14:37<pgimeno>maxb_: thanks
14:37<stew>helmut: there is a big difference between "this pacakge is unusable" and "this pacakge doesn't do this one thing i want it to do"
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14:38<maxb_>If xmms is in testing, chances are fairly good that it's just apt computing the upgrade in an undesirable way and it will *probably* be possible to just "apt-get install xmms" again after the main upgrade - but don't quote me on that.
14:39<suiside>serge: if you want to save time when rsyncing you might want to consider using the -u flag which will cause files to be transfered only if the target files modified date is older than the source files, also, if you want your backup to be a working system you propably want to recreate symilnks as well, look at the --links and --safe-links options, if you want to exclude directories you can use the --exclude or --filter options, ...
14:39<suiside>... check teh manpage for details
14:39<stew>maxb_: xmms isn't in testing
14:40<stew>!xmms
14:40<dpkg>xmms is probably the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html) For alternatives, look at <xmms2>, <rhythmbox>, <amarok>, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons
14:40<helmut>stew: well, verification is one of the main uses of debsums. %-)
14:40<pgimeno>stew: thanks
14:40<serge>suiside: thank you. ...reading man rsync ;)
14:41<helmut>stew: still I don't want to waste your time with this anylonger and just report it as imporant.
14:41<pgimeno>is there any xmms2 front end with the same look'n'feel of xmms for us lovers of past times?
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14:56<pgimeno>excuse my ignorance, is it expected that libglib1.2ldbl be renamed to libglib1.2 at some point before the release of lenny?
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14:57<maxb_>pgimeno: no, it is not
14:58<stew>pgimeno: presumably it got a new name becuase it was not binary compatible with libglib1.2, so it would have to get some new name
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15:00<pgimeno>according to the message the change only affects alpha, powerpc, s390 and sparc, so I guess I can get the sources from etch, change the dependency and rebuild the package, is that right?
15:01<stew>pgimeno: what is wrong with leaving it as it is?
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15:02<pgimeno>stew: dselect wants to remove xmms because of the conflict between libglib1.2 and libglib1.2ldbl
15:02<pgimeno>and I want to keep xmms
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15:04<stew>pgimeno: there is no xmms in lenny. if you really want to keep it, you could perhaps recompile the xmms package against the lenny libraries once you have finished upgrading
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15:05<pgimeno>stew: that's what I mean, which implies changing the dependency on libglib1.2 to libglib1.2ldbl, so I guess I was right...
15:06<stew>pgimeno: except you aren't going to change anything, just recompile
15:07<stew>pgimeno: those dependencies are calculated automatically at build-time
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15:09<pgimeno>oh good to know, thanks
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15:11<pgimeno>is there a debian-forwardports similar to debian-backports?
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15:12<parecen>pgimeno: yeah, there is the "testing" and "unstable" repository which you can use with caution in combination with "APT Pinning"
15:13<stew>pgimeno: no, there isn't
15:13<stew>parecen: testing and unstable should not be used with pinning if one is running stable
15:14<parecen>stew: that is your opinion. and its good to have an own opinion
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15:15<parecen>the hint "with caution" was there. so i see absolutely no problem to fetch certain packages from testing or unstable _when needed_
15:15<stew>parecen: no, one should use a backport instead, /msg dpkg backports
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15:16<prolix>if you have problems figuring out how to _underline_ _multiple_ words on an irs client, are you sure testing/unstable is your forte?
15:16<parecen>stew: should or should not is opinion based
15:16<prolix>karma bit me on that one
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15:16<parecen>prolix: since you are funny, what is an irs client?
15:17<prolix>for you, it's most likely welfare
15:17<parecen>prolix: do i smell stinky pants?
15:18<prolix>we can take this elsewhere if you'd like to continue, otherwise, i concede defeat
15:18*pgimeno ponders creating forwardports
15:18<stew>parecen: this is not just my opinion, it is specificaly warned against by debian officially, please don't recommend it to people in here
15:19<parecen>stew: resource please
15:19<stew>parecen: the debian reference
15:19<parecen>stew: chapter?
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15:20<stew>parecen: 1
15:20<parecen>stew: i see no such statement there
15:20<stew>parecen: reread it then
15:20<Hydroxide>parecen: using packages from testing and unstable breaks horribly when a release is not near, and especially so after a release has just happened
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15:21<Hydroxide>parecen: especially when things like libc6 are updated in testing/unstable and then nearly every package built after that Depends on a newer version of libc6 than is in stable
15:21<stew>"If you mix distributions, e.g., testing with stable or unstable with stable, you will eventually pull in core packages such as libc6 from testing or unstable and there is no guarantee that these will not contain bugs. You have been warned. "
15:21<parecen>dude. why would debian developers write an apt pinning howto and publish it for the users' happyness if all these false claims are true?
15:22<Hydroxide>parecen: apt pinning can be useful, but not for that particular use case
15:22<parecen>so i suggest you dont label your opinion as copy of an official statement if that simply does not exist
15:22<stew>parecen: pinning can be useful in stable, for instance see the instructions page at backports.org
15:22<Hydroxide>parecen: for example, apt pinning is a good way to combine stable and backports
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15:23<parecen>and i try to help users in such a way that it fits my holy pants and not yours
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15:23<parecen>and now shove it
15:23<stew>parecen: feel free to see the official warnings in the debian reference, for instance
15:23<parecen>stew: what you quoted is not even close to your claim
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15:24<parecen>"you have been warned" is absolutely compatible with my statement "use it with caution"
15:24<parecen>and you should definetly stop to try picking fights with other helpers now
15:24<Hydroxide>parecen: it's also compatible with "don't expect #debian to give support for that option"
15:24<parecen>Hydroxide: i am #debian aswell as you. and i support it
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15:24<Hydroxide>parecen: and that, therefore, is compatible with "don't recommend it to new users in #debian"
15:24<stew>parecen: do not advise people running stable to mix in packages from testing. point them to "/msg dpkg backports" or "/msg dpkg ssb" or "/msg dpkb bpo". packages from testing cannot be trusted to be free of bugs or security holes
15:25<parecen>dondelelcaro: could you please reach out for peace? i am massively annoyed and i feel like a poor victim of harassment right now
15:25<Hydroxide>parecen: nobody's insulting you personally.
15:25<parecen>i am here to help people in such a way that it fits my agenda and the channel rules. i am not here to fight with hypocritical jerks
15:25<prolix>i was
15:26<parecen>prolix: and you dont even have a realname set in your chat client. so i suggest you play nice
15:26<Hydroxide>paracen: (except prolix, who shouldn't be doing insults any more than you)
15:26<stew>parecen: i'd also have to warn you about using ad-hominems in here. there is no reason to start calling people jerks. we are only trying to prevent you from giving out advice that could be harmful
15:26<prolix>Hydroxide: exactly
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15:27<parecen>stew: you dont have to warn me in context of channel rules after trolling me
15:27<Hydroxide>parecen: if you give out that advice in #debian, people will expect #debian generally to support that solution, which we as a whole won't do
15:27<parecen>Hydroxide: enough of this
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15:29<prolix>play nice? is that a threat?
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15:29<Hydroxide>prolix: if he wants to drop it, let him
15:29<Hydroxide>prolix: I'm OK with that.
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15:29<parecen>prolix: i have absolutely no problem to drag this to debian-user@lists.d.o for clearance
15:30<pgimeno>one more question
15:30<prolix>clearance? for what?
15:30<parecen>prolix: first of all, set a realname in your chat client so the people here know who is talking
15:31<prolix>i'm sentient, that should and will suffice
15:31<parecen>prolix: anonymous trolling is not very welcome anywhere
15:31<prolix>i'm done
15:31<stew>parecen: he's welcome to be anonymous in here, drop it
15:32<prolix>:)
15:32<parecen>stew: if you want to play the chanop, then pay attention to my words
15:32<pgimeno>is this for Debian discussion?
15:32<parecen>i say "anonymous trolling is not very welcome anywhere"
15:32<dutche>when I install debian and don't choose any mirror, how can I add some repositories to it??
15:32<stew>parecen: he's not trolling, please keep it on-topic
15:32<stew>pgimeno: yes, its for end-user support of debian
15:32<parecen>stew: who added your chanop access here on OFTC?
15:33<prolix>aptitude tell dutche -about sources.list
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15:33<parecen>stew: we have to work on our relationship. and i think we need 1 or 2 people to join us
15:33<dutche>aptitude tell dutche apt-setup
15:34<parecen>stew: you can play on Freenode how you like. i really dont care. but this here is not jerk town
15:34<prolix>dutche: you can just /msg aptitude or /msg dpkg
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15:34<stew>parecen: i've silenced you for 10 minutes. in the future please keep it on-topic
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15:37<pgimeno>well, my question is a bit complex to explain, so I'd better explain what I've done and what I'd want
15:37<Chump_>can someone tell me what packages i'll need ot get my intel 3945abg working
15:37<Chump_>lenny
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15:38<pgimeno>I pointed /etc/apt/sources.list to testing and did a dselect upgrade, then dselect select. I do that to check for new packages and review which ones are changed. I pressed ENTER by accident and lost the new packages list. Is it possible to see which packages were new and which will be upgraded somehow?
15:38<qq_>stew: silence my to , i like it
15:39<qq_>too*
15:39<Gathond>Chump_: probably iwl3945 (or perhaps ipw3945)
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15:42<pgimeno>is there a diff of package lists in etch and testing anywhere?
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15:51<pgimeno>a log of added packages, perhaps?
15:52<Chump_>how do i add the non free sources
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15:54<donny_>Chump_: you'll want to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file
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15:58<pgimeno>is it possible to specify multiple servers in sources.list so that the bandwidth is distributed? the download is going to be 1.3 Gb and I don't want to charge all load to one server
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16:01<Chump_>donny: i mean what do i addd
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16:05<pgimeno>the answer seems to be no: it's picking the same server for everything
16:05<vorti>whois debhelper
16:06<vorti>clear
16:06<Chump_>!tell chump about non-free
16:07<Chump_>!tell chump_ about non-free
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16:07<stew>pgimeno: no, it would use the first one it finds. if the mirror you are using can't saturate your download bandwidth, try another
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16:08<pgimeno>stew: all I wanted was to distribute the load, the BW is already ok, but thanks :)
16:09<stew>pgimeno: if you mean "to be nice to the server", then don't worry about it
16:09<pgimeno>k
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16:16<prolix>pgimeno: technically speaking, there is a way, but pragmatically speaking, why? would you save response time for troubleshooting?
16:18<stevecotton>pgimeno: there's the debtorrent package for being nice to servers
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16:22<Lethalman>!nvidia
16:22<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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16:30<pgimeno>prolix: nm, I just didn't want to suck all BW from one server. stevecotton: thanks, I'll consider it next time, now I prefer not to interrupt it.
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16:32<prolix>pgimeno: that's very thoughtful of you
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17:25<ohay>does the debian install cd have the option of booting from an existing installation on the HD ?
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17:27<ohay>I mean, if grub is corrupted, can I use Debian's cd to boot into my existing debian installation?
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17:28<Outlaw>you can use the cd 'rescue' mode - boot from cd, mount + chroot to disk & re-run grub-install + update-grub
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17:32<blarson>IIRC grub does allow the user to specify the boot device, boot path etc. interactivly, so you should be able to boot anything on your system from any grub.
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17:34<ohay>but I should know the kernel version and stuff, if I specify a linux partition, right?
17:35<blarson>Doing chroot from rescue mode would be easier.
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17:37<hxla>Hello, i would like to know if on the first DVD from etch version has the drivers for the wireless card Intel 3945, i believe that the package is ipw3945
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17:38<blarson>hxla: No, that driver is non-free. So it is not on any Debian disks.
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17:38<ohay>I remember using a live distro a while ago but can't remember which one. On the boot screen I could choose to boot from a specific partition, without giving any special parameters, kinda like an automatic bootloader
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17:38<hxla>hum, thanks blarson
17:38<hxla>i`m going to search on how to install it manually
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17:39<blarson>!tell hxla about ipw3954
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17:40<blarson>!tell hxla about ipw3945
17:40<ohay>the thing is that I have grub correctly installed on that partition, I would only have to boot from it
17:41<hxla>thanks a lot blarson , but i have some problems to connect using a wire, so i`ll get this from debian.org and then install with dpkg
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17:48<crweb>where does mkinitrdfs pull its rootfs from?
17:49<crweb>i need to make a small change for it for a project
17:49<themill>hxla: a recent laptop might benefit from a newer kernel in any case; /msg dpkg etchnhalf ; /msg dpkg backports.org ; /msg dpkg iwlwifi
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17:55<hxla>themill: my laptop is the Asus G2P, do you know it? it has a small lcd on the bottom of the keyboard, do you know if i configure it on linux? cause i have never find a way to
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18:04<themill>hxla: never even heard of it before... but it sounds fun :)
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18:05<hxla>themill it helps showing the clock and when you receive a message on msn or such thing
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18:06<mike>Is there anything special about installing a Perl Module on Debian? I've never installed one before, but I thought I'd check here first before getting all sorts of directions off the internet for other varieties of Linux?
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18:10<simonrvn>mike: check the repos first, and if not found, use dh-make-perl
18:11<mike>simonrvn: By repos, do you mean CPAN?
18:11<Aleric>Is anyone here using news groups? What is a good client?
18:11<simonrvn>no i mean debian by repos
18:11<Aleric>Are news groups still usable anyway? Every time I tried them in the past years, all I saw on them was huge and huge spam flooding.
18:12<mike>simonrvn: Oh, so like apt-cache search Net::SSH2 or something?
18:12<simonrvn>for instance
18:12<themill>judd: versions libnet-ssh-perl
18:12<judd>themill: libnet-ssh-perl: 0.08-1 (etch) 0.09-1 (lenny) 0.09-1 (sid)
18:12<simonrvn>Aleric: in unmoderated ones it's nothing but crap
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18:13<simonrvn>by unmoderated i mean no one is taking care of it
18:13<Aleric>:(
18:13<simonrvn>(not the usual sense)
18:14<themill>mike: general naming schema is lib(name of module with s/::/-/)-perl. But actual packages can be slightly different. Also /msg dpkg apt-file
18:14<simonrvn>themill: mr. fill-in-the-blanks ;)
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18:15<themill>heh
18:15<mike>themill: Thanks, I found it with apt-cache search ssh | sed -n /perl/Ip
18:15<mike>simonrvn: Thanks to you as well.
18:15<simonrvn>*shrug*
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18:16<themill>dpkg: tell mike about grep
18:16<themill>using sed for that is so much overkill... :)
18:16<mike>Heh heh, it's a nasty habit, I really don't know why.
18:17<mike>Or perhaps not nasty; just silly I guess.
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18:17<themill>:)
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18:17<themill>mike: also, apt-cache search ssh perl
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18:19<mike>themill: Hah! And to think, I expected apt-cache search to only listen to argv[2]. Thanks :-)
18:20<simonrvn>a lot of people think that
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18:27<mike>Sadness. The PM installed according to aptitude ("Setting up libnet-ssh-perl (0.08-1)" from apt-get install libnet-perl-ssh), but yet compilation still failed ("Can't locate Net/SSH2.pm in @INC..." from perl -c ...)
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18:28<themill>I'll guess that they are different modules: libnet-ssh-perl: usr/share/perl5/Net/SSH.pm
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18:28<themill>dpkg: tell mike about dh-make-perl
18:29<mike>themill: Excellent, thanks. I'll give it a shot.
18:30<themill>mike: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" prior to using it and it will work better too
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18:40<mike>themill: Thank you for the tip, I'll do that.
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18:40<themill>np
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18:42<mike>Dagnabit, I don't have my Debian CD-ROM.
18:43<themill>mike: working out what package contains which perl module can be hard. Sometimes Net::Foo::Bar will be inside a package called libnet-foo-perl not libnet-foo-bar-perl. Apt-file solves that problem by doing a lookup directly on the filenames.
18:44<mike>themill: Coolness.
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18:55*Aleric made a new, better, syntax definition of PGN: http://codepad.org/ShEWU6Jn
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18:58<cesurasean>Can someone assist me? I had to crack my own password on Debian Etch using a Knoppix Live Cd. I used passwd to change the password, but now my system is a read only filesysystem.
18:58<cesurasean>Can someone tell me what I did wrong? Is there some way I needed to demount the system or something?
18:58<cesurasean>how can I get my system up and running like normal again?
18:58<cesurasean><sigh> <bangs head on keyboard many times>
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18:59<cesurasean><--- American. Do you expect any less from us? ;0
18:59<amphi>cesurasean: mount / -oremount,rw
18:59<cesurasean>thanks amphi
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18:59<cesurasean>what's your location amphi?
18:59<cesurasean>;0
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18:59<cesurasean><crosses fingers it's not USA>
19:00<amphi>Yurp
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19:06<ranix>not all americans are stupid, cesurasean
19:06<ranix>juse the ones who aren't from new england and california
19:06<ranix>just^
19:07<cesurasean>now I have a corrupted disk guys
19:07<mike>Yeah. The ones from Milwaukee, WI are the worst.
19:07<cesurasean>what commands do I throw in knoppix to make it not corrupted
19:07<cesurasean>fdisk is failing on boot
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19:07<mike>Especially around the Greenfield area :-P
19:08<ranix>cesurasean: sounds like it's time to copy the important files you can from /home/ before you screw it up further, then reinstall
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19:08<ranix>cesurasean: barring that, copy the files now and then ask more questions
19:09<cesurasean>ranix: no thanks bro
19:09<cesurasean>nice try
19:10<cesurasean>I'll use e2fdisk instead bro
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19:19<Bsims>got a question, I want to use something like logger but have it direct output to a non system log file; for bash programing any ideas?
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19:19<mike>Bsims: I use '| tee -a filename' for that in my bash scripts. Not sure if that's what you're looking for...
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19:21<Bsims>mike: well its a backup log I want to write something like 2008-09-29_18:21 : Backup completed
19:21<Bsims>I know how to get date in the right format just not sure how to call that via echo
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19:22<mike>Bsims: Well, if it's that simple, I would just go:
19:22<Bsims>I'd be using >> path/to/file.log
19:22<mike>echo $(date) : Backup completed >> path/to/file.log
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19:22<mike>Where 'date' is the full command-line of the date program to get that format you were looking for...
19:22<Bsims>thanks wasn't sure on the syntax of it
19:22<mike>Bsims: Np
19:22*Bsims grins bash makes some things easy
19:22<octoserver>what is the best ipod aggro miro ?
19:22*Bsims grins debating adding the logger output as an option
19:23<Bsims>I'm re-editing my backup script to automate backups with rsync
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19:23<Bsims>dead easy, mount it... run it... and unmount it
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19:24<themill>!rsnapshot
19:24<dpkg>i heard rsnapshot is a filesystem snapshot utility, which creates incremental backups of local and remote filesystems, using hard links to save disk space. See also /usr/share/doc/rsnapshot/html/rsnapshot-howto.html and http://rsnapshot.sf.net/faq.html, or ask me about <rdiff-backup>
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19:25<Bsims>themill: I've ran rsnapshot, its a wee bit overkill for me
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19:25<Bsims>I want a plain mirror
19:26<themill>fair enough
19:26<Bsims>themill: heh aiming this at the newbie crowd
19:27<Bsims>themill: ages ago I got mentioned in the changelog for mondorescue...
19:28<Bsims>it's what sold me on open source... had an error... found the mailing list... and half an hour later the person who wrote it emailed me back
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19:28<Bsims>That was in 2000, never looked back
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19:29<octoserver>is there anything better than miro out there ?
19:29<octoserver>in the deb repos ?
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19:31<Bsims>dunno never used it
19:31<Bsims>for my limited rss needs I use the one built into firefox/iceweasel
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19:52<amphi>!qotd0
19:52<dpkg>well, qotd91 is <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone!
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20:11<abrotman>!flw
20:11<dpkg>< busboy> hello, will it causes any problem to delete root account on the system?
20:12<cesurasean>can someone help me clean up inodes on my machine
20:12<cesurasean>fdisk keeps crapping out when booting my system
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20:13<cesurasean>I'm using knoppix trying to repair the bad inodes
20:13<cesurasean>The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 233707. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024 is what it tells me
20:14<cesurasean>when I run fdisk /dev/hda1
20:14<cesurasean>any ideas?
20:14<cesurasean>I had to go in and manually change the passwd on my root account due to stooopidity
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20:16<cesurasean>fdisk /mnt says "You will not be able to write the partition table."
20:16<cesurasean>Unable to read /mnt
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20:19<rlc>hola
20:19<rlc>es de habla hispana
20:19<rlc>hola por favor
20:19<ranix>!es
20:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:19<rlc>gracias
20:19<ranix>de nada
20:19<cesurasean>can someone please help me to get etch up and running smooth again. yes, I know it's my fault for not keeping up with the password.
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20:29<ferrarezi>boa noite
20:29<ferrarezi>te alguem no canal ?
20:30<amphi>!br
20:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:31<ferrarezi>thanks
20:33<gazzu>Hello
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20:57<donny>hi all. i've never heard of the /etc/apt/preferences file. can anyone point me to documentation about it?
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20:58<abrotman>!apt_preferences
20:58<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
20:59<donny>thanks abrotman
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21:41<Killer--Tux>i can only hear from one of the speakers how can i fix that
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21:42<Phantasma>hi
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21:43<Killer--Tux>i have a problem with sound
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21:44<kp>Killer--Tux, have you tested the speakers/setup you have to a known working machine? it may be hardware releated....
21:45<Killer--Tux>kp well i can only hear form one speaker
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21:46<virussx>quit
21:47<virussx>#quit
21:47<virussx>#exit
21:47<virussx>#disconnect
21:47<amphi>/part
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21:49<blal>I are set up iptables. I'm seeing log records for packets that I don't think should be filtered... Should I paste some output (pastebin, not in this #, of course) and see if you can figure out why it's being rejected?
21:50<Killer--Tux>need help with sound
21:50<blal>(I created a rule like "iptables -A LOGREJECT -j LOG --log-prefix 'iptables...'")
21:50<blal>You're sound.
21:50<amphi>Killer--Tux: what card?
21:51<Killer--Tux>amphi well it working but only one speaker
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21:51<cesurasean>anyone willing to help me fixing my hard drive?
21:51<Killer--Tux>amphi am tring to get all speaker to work
21:51<blal>!ask
21:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
21:51<cesurasean>I am unable to run fdisk from knoppix on my /dev/hda1
21:52<cesurasean>fdisk bombs out when my system is loaded
21:52<cesurasean>I had to go in and manually edited the root password, due to losing the password.
21:52<blal>"bombs"?
21:52<cesurasean>now, I have a corrupted filesystem, and cannot run fdisk from knoppix
21:52<cesurasean>bomb = messed up
21:53<cesurasean>excuse my language
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21:53<blal>The key to your problem is somewhere in those details... what exact error message. etc.
21:53<cesurasean>there are many errors
21:53<blal>I understand the term, we just need moar info.
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21:53<cesurasean>what info do you need?
21:53<cesurasean>I'll be glad to go back to the server, and give you info as we go
21:53<cesurasean>I've tried fdisk /mnt, etc
21:53<cesurasean>everything I know how
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21:54<blal>wouldn't that be fdisk /dev/something? pardon me if /mnt is a device file on knoppix.
21:54<cesurasean>I've tried fdisk /dev/hda1
21:54<cesurasean>doesn't work
21:55<cesurasean>the partition tables are screwed up somehow
21:55<blal>and by doesnt work you mean...? like which error messages, man? Could be that the disk itself is fragged, by no fault of the OS or you.
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21:55<blal>oh, fdisk...
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21:56<blal>Is it even possible to mess up a partition table in such a way that fdisk "won't work"....?
21:56<cesurasean>blal: I had to hack my own system due to lost password
21:56<cesurasean>that is the reason for the mess
21:56<raevol_>hey, there's no fix for the fn keys for 2.6.26 yet?
21:56<cesurasean>if you don't know how to hack a system from a livecd, don't bother trying to help me
21:57<cesurasean>this may be more advanced for your knowledge
21:57<blal>cesurasean : I'm sure your 1337 problems are 2 much for me. :(
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21:57<cesurasean>;p
21:57<cesurasean>I don't know your knowledge
21:57<blal>im just a n00b who doesnt kno how hacking your system would alter the partition table...
21:57<cesurasean>read above in the chat, I've already given the error messages
21:58<raevol_>woops wrong channel
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21:59<blal>cesurasean cant find any such lines.
21:59<cesurasean>(7:13:59 PM) cesurasean: The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 233707. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024 is what it tells me
21:59<cesurasean>(7:14:05 PM) cesurasean: when I run fdisk /dev/hda1
21:59<cesurasean>im getting errors like this
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22:01<cesurasean>any ideas blal?
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22:02<blal>cesurasean no u
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22:03<blal>1024 is a pretty low # of cylinders these days, yes?
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22:04<cesurasean>yes
22:04<cesurasean>it's a 120gig hd
22:04<cesurasean>seagate
22:04<blal>Barracuda?
22:05<cesurasean>no
22:05<cesurasean>some ghetto seagate
22:05<cesurasean>7200rpm
22:05<blal>lol good luck
22:05<cesurasean>not sure of model
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22:05<blal>*reads moar*
22:05<cesurasean>obviously you aren't as smart as you want to be. me either. :P
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22:06<cesurasean>but, we as engineers can fix anything that's broke.
22:06<cesurasean>right?
22:07<blal>i went to seagate.com and accidentally the pdf file for 2 2 2 2
22:07<blal> ST3160811AS ST3120811AS ST380811AS ST340211AS ST3160812A ST3120814A ST3802110A ST3402111A
22:07<blal>Model Number
22:07<blal> ST3120211AS2 ST380211AS2 ST3160212A ST3120213A
22:07-!-blal was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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22:07<blal>too much content. tried to post a model #
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22:09<cesurasean>why should model number matter if all I am trying to do is fdisk something? :)
22:09<blal>fail troll is fail
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22:17<z>hi
22:17<z>anyone alive?
22:18<blarson>!tell z about ask
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22:19<z>if i am running on my pc debian can i make a ssh connection ?
22:20<blarson>z: if you have ssh installed.
22:20<z>ok
22:20<z>thnx
22:20<z>bye
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22:20<janez>lol
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22:31<ameyer17>erm
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22:35<me>hey can anyone tell me how do i open a ssh conection on my debian ?
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22:35<knoppix_>ok, im now on the machine having problems
22:35<me>i use the testing debian
22:36<knoppix_>if someone wants to help me fix my fdisk problems, please let me know
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22:36<me>please tell me someone
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22:37<cesuraseanfdiskproblems>anyone here good at fdisking from knoppix?
22:37<me>cesuraseanfdiskproblems can u tell me how do i open ssh connection in my linux ?
22:37<cesuraseanfdiskproblems>me: go to terminal and type ssh
22:37<cesuraseanfdiskproblems>ssh -help
22:38<cesuraseanfdiskproblems>or ssh man
22:38<me>i am not in terminal
22:38<me>how i open it?
22:38<cesuraseanfdiskproblems>that should give you enough info
22:38<cesuraseanfdiskproblems>what GUI are you using?
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22:39<me>debian i386 testing
22:39<cesurasean>and you don't know what the command line is?
22:40<cesurasean>perhaps you should be using etch instead of the testing version. :)
22:40<me>debian-40r4a-i386-DVD-1.iso this is what debian i installed
22:40<cesurasean>only l33t people use the unstable versions of debian
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22:42<Taypan>hola a todos
22:42<me>can anyone tell me how do i open the shell ?
22:42<Taypan>hay algun programa para hacer cronogramas en debian
22:42<cesurasean>what Graphical user interface are you using?
22:42<Taypan>algun paquete
22:42<Taypan>gnome
22:43<me>sunny
22:43<cesurasean>I'm not familiar with that GUI. sorry.
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22:43<Taypan>me, sunny me puede servir ??? para realizar cronogramas
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22:44<amphi>!es
22:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:45<Taypan>sorry
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22:47<Killer--Tux>what it do
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22:48<me>i open Connect to server
22:48<me>service type : SSH
22:48<me>server : my ip
22:48<me>port : 22
22:48<me>folder : /var/tmp
22:48<me>username : sunny
22:49<me>name to use for connection : debian
22:49<me>what i do wrong here and its not working
22:50<abrotman>!enter
22:50<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
22:51<me>!ssh
22:51<dpkg>rumour has it, ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
22:51<cesurasean>!fdisk
22:51<dpkg>fdisk is the name used for several hard disk partition table editor programs for PC compatible computers. Before a hard disk can be used by an operating system on a PC, it must be divided into one or more logical disks called partitions. Ask me about <partitioning><gparted>.
22:51<me>!putty
22:51<dpkg>well, putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows and Linux. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/, or see <putty linedraw>
22:51<abrotman>!msg the bot
22:51<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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23:03<eightyeight>i wonder if ffgf enjoyed my version info
23:04*ameyer wonders if he should notify the ops over that stunt
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23:04<ameyer>ahh, why the heck not
23:05<ameyer>!ops qmemo entered the channel, changed his name to ffgf, ctcp version'd everybody, and left without saying anything
23:05<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ameyer complains about: qmemo entered the channel, changed his name to ffgf, ctcp version'd everybody, and left without saying anything
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23:09<amphi>ameyer: not me
23:10<ameyer>amphi: *shrug* irssi said "requested CTCP VERSION from #debian:"
23:10-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
23:10-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@41.233.47.209] by dondelelcaro
23:10-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
23:10<amphi>ameyer: yeah, I see that now ;)
23:12<ameyer>and some clients don't show ctcp requests IIRC
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23:12<amphi>ffgf [qmemo@41.233.47.209] requested CTCP VERSION from #debian
23:12<amphi>it had scrolled behind another window ;)
23:13<Taypan>hello
23:17<rxs>Hi! I remembered to have used a single command to basically print the cat output of a file as words one by one in new lines than complete sentences, but I cant just remember that now, can someone help ?
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23:20<amphi>rxs: cat blah | tr ' ' '\n' perhaps
23:21<amphi>rxs: or better, cat blah | tr '[:space:]' '\n'
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23:24<rxs>amphi:lemme try one sec
23:25<rxs>amphi:awesome , that did the magic, that wa sthe one I was looking for ! Thanks much
23:25<amphi>welcome
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23:31<rxs>okay, i want to get all words that have no numbers, so I say cat .... | grep -v 0 | grep -v 1.....
23:31<rxs>can I make it simple ? say grep -v (someWayToSayAllNumbers)
23:32<enouf>er [0-9] ?
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23:35<rxs>enouf:yes, I got that too, I was trying python way [0:9] ,,, my bad ..
23:35<amphi>very bad
23:35<amphi>;)
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23:36<amphi>who was it who said of the author of python, 'too much significant whitespace between the ears' ? ;)
23:37<rxs>:)
23:37<enouf>probably larry wall :-P
23:37<amphi>mayhap
23:38<Nameeater>that is the python way of creating/selecting a range, its still [0-9] using python regex :|
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23:39<rxs>now for the icing on the cake, i am trying to get rid of all words that have . ; [ ] * in them , but when i say grep -v . I dont get any results
23:40<amphi>you must do escaping
23:40<Nameeater>bash is interpreting your ., you need '.'
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23:42<kapil>rxs: '.' has a special meaning in regular expressions. You need 'grep -vF .'
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23:43<kapil>Nameeater: your explanation is wrong. bash is not doing any interpreting here.
23:43<rxs>Kapil: awesome that solved yet another problem
23:43<rxs>maneater: i tried '.' and even \. but failed :(
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23:45<Nameeater>kapil: ah so it isn't
23:46<kapil>well, except when one uses the command grep -v \.
23:46<kapil>in that case bash will strip the \
23:47<kapil>so it could also be the command grep -v '\.'
23:48<Nameeater>ya, was just playing around with that
23:48<amphi>rxs: '\.' will work
23:48<amphi>rxs: without quotes, the shell eats the '\'
23:48*enouf always finds various weirdo blank files scattered about in ~ and in /tmp when he "plays around"
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23:51<rxs>yeah
23:51<rxs>tried that ...
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23:51<rxs>now one more, so I have a bunc of words , I want to remove duplicates , so should I sort them and then do some magic or .. is there a easy way ?
23:51<kapil>bash bashes slashes
23:52<rxs>Kapil: like that :)
23:52<enouf>could sort, then uniq ?
23:52<enouf>or sort -u ?
23:53<enouf>uniq -d? if you have issues - finally try "LC_ALL=C command ..."
23:53<enouf>erm, did i forget a ; there?
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23:53<enouf>no
23:53<amphi>where?
23:54<enouf>only if i used export LC...
23:54<amphi>LC_COLLATE=C would be enough in this case, no?
23:54<enouf>hrm - point, not sure
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23:56<rxs>sort -u did the magic ... but it screwed up something else... now I have to do a dictionary search ... ahhhh ...
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23:57<enouf>rxs: see if sort | uniq causes the same issues
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23:59<rxs>qnouf:
23:59<rxs>awesome , that did it ..
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